classic-doom

[slim willow]

BTSX is great because it is vanilla. I can boot up BTSX on dos. For that alone it's pretty cool. Most of these epic wads require super modern ports.

I mean the fact it manages to be entertaining and visually pretty "modern" without limit removal, Boom triggers or ZDoom triggers is worth some praise.

[azure nimbus]

supermodern like 1996's boom

[slim willow]

A lot of modern Boom wads are not compatible with 96 Boom but ok. 👍

[azure nimbus]

oh why not

oh my bad, boom 2.02 was from 98

[slim willow]

They just don't I dunno. I'm not an expert and never claimed to be one.

But, you clearly are so I'll let you figure it out .

[wide sinew]

They literally throw everything and the kitchen sink at you in BTSX, and you're forced to just barely scrape by, so much so that I often end a level with single digit health.

But that makes it feel rewarding when you finally do complete the level

[azure nimbus]

I asked on the dsda discord: dosboom had lower limits than prb, prb+, or dsda. Still, I do think it's valuable to remember that even prboom was released in 1998. While zdoom also released in 1998, gzdoom and more updated zdoom versions are quite different so I don't think it would be fair to include them in the same way. It's cool when stuff is totally vanilla. It's a cool challenge for the author and means that it can run on steam or on console. That's great for accessibility. It's nice to stick close to the source code. But also, I think it is good to keep in mind that even our modern ports like dsda have roots in prboom and boom which are from the '90s. Idk why you're acting as though I'm acting like an expert when I literally asked how it's different

BTSX really is a good wad and I think sets people up to give source ports a try. least that's how it went for me

[dapper flint]

Definitely agree

[opal falcon]

That's a lot of technical stuff I don't understand.

[azure nimbus]

Basically, doom's source code(or actually the linex port's code as far as my understanding from the wiki goes) was released in the 90s. Since then, there have been loads of recreations of the game made by fans. Some more modern than others. Sometimes adding features and sometimes just allowing for larger levels

[opal falcon]

I do know that, just in much less technical terms, if you get my meaning. Haha.

[azure nimbus]

everything I get from it is just from playing different wads on differnt ports and reading the wiki and listening to dwars' history videos. it's not like I coded the things

[jade solstice]

I love BTSX; 1 is better than 2 IMO but to each their own ofc

2 was too intense for my liking the second half

[warm harness]

Anyone know any gameplay mods like Nobody Told Me About Id that changes up the combat a little bit but still doesn't completely overhaul vanilla gameplay?

[burnt coral]

https://tenor.com/view/sup-doom-doom-eternal-doom-slayer-walk-gif-26144050

[forest zodiac]

The Enhanced weapon set in Beautiful Doom maybe

Anyways good lord did E2M7 get hit hard by the Jaguarification for the Jaguar port
It barely resembles the PC version at first

[dapper flint]

Meta doom

[warm harness]

I'm sorry to say this but do you know anything a little more... simplistic?

[forest zodiac]

like I said, Beautiful Doom with the Enhanced weapons enabled

[warm harness]

I'm really sorry for being so picky but the weapons in BD Enhanced kinda have something off about them that makes them a little clunky and unsatisfying to use.

[dapper flint]

I'd just stick to vanilla

[still comet]

я пися

[finite crag]

Do any of you scale ?

[azure nimbus]

scale?

[finite crag]

For example like if someone has good feats like DoomSlayer beating the creator of the multiverse that feat alone SCALES him to multiversal

There’s other feats as well which scale him to 6D low complex multiversal infinite speed but yeah

[foggy fulcrum]

i like playing vanilla doom with some basic enhancements

like some of the graphical mods for the weapons that stay true but also help improve the look

[azure nimbus]

remember to be 13 before using discord

[azure nimbus]

you might be interested in the supercharge mod used in enter the mapwich 2, or piratedoom. Even struggle antaresian legacy and antaresian reliquary have weapon modifications that keep closer to vanilla

[finite crag]

Huh? Like years old yeah I know

[azure nimbus]

13 dimensional scale ofc

[finite crag]

Scale him for me private dms

I want to know what you scale him to

Like show feats etc in private dms

[warm harness]

I absolutely geniunely have no idea what the hell a dimensional scale is.

[finite crag]

So for a example we are 3 or 4D DoomSlayer scales to 6D low complex multiversal

Hell is a 6th dimensional construct and DoomSlayer was described to have the power to destroy hell itself putting him 6D

[azure nimbus]

idk either. Could be a troll or esl who knows

[narrow condor]

I'm going through classic/popular wads I never played for some reason. Should I play Vanguard or Speed of Doom first?

[finite crag]

Bruh

[azure nimbus]

vanguard is easier and shorter. Both are great though

[lavish osprey]

Hello guys

how are you

I will ask you something

How can I upgrade my Opengl driver?

If anyone knows, please write

[pearl osprey]

Just update your Nvidia/AMD/Intel graphics driver

Also check the latest supported version of OpenGL for your card

if a card only goes up to OpenGL 2.0 it will never run OpenGL 3.0

[lavish osprey]

Thank You very much!

[narrow condor]

Vanguard it is then!

[royal heron]

Go to the The DOOM Space server to talk about scaling, I can give you an invite in DMs

[royal heron]

What this guy is basically talking about is just how powerful the Doom Slayer is, that's what "scaling" means

[finite crag]

Link?

Send in private dms

[royal heron]

But just to answer, he's been scaled to Low 1-C, or Low Complex Multiversal

[finite crag]

I know

[dapper flint]

Interesting. No idea what any of that means but cool

[vivid vine]

Was

Not is

And probably never was either, seems a bit overestimated

[royal heron]

It's all just boring technical stuff only us nerds care about so no need to worry

[spice radish]

Power scaling is the most scuffed thing ever imo

[royal heron]

it is scuffed to the max

[narrow condor]

I can't keep up with modern lingo any more...

Okay, I googled it and apparently it's what people call the "could Goku beat Superman" type of arguments.

[slim willow]

power scaling arguments are boring. lets compare who would win a baking competition or something

[jagged cloak]

Who would won Popeye in a digging copentition or doomguy

[stray lance]

Depends, does he have spinach

[royal heron]

That's basically the gist of it, yep

[finite crag]

Wait so is scaling like characters from different games / universes compared?

Aaand the answer is right above so nvm, lols

[finite crag]

Or a staring competition

[vivid vine]

They tried to do it in the most arbitrary way possible like 'Island Buster' and MULTIVERSAL PLUS and usually they downplay the one they don't want to win as much as possible

[spice radish]

They give the dumbest categories too, wtf is Hax or Battle IQ?

[wintry ocean]

Anyone played the wad "The thing you can't defeat"?

I just finished playing it

and I'm so impressed

[nocturne jacinth]

I've played a lot of wads, some of them scarred me for life

i just started a new save for DOOM 1 and i'm already at E1M3

[jade solstice]

Crush it

[dapper flint]

[forest zodiac]

anyone else ever think about some of the visual storytelling pieces in Doom 1
like the Imp cage in E1M9

[slim willow]

I do sometimes.

E2M8's tortured dead Barons on the wall is one I always come back to. 4 of the last episode's bosses, and the toughest demons on deimos sprinkled in here and there are on the wall, dead. Makes the player wonder what could be out there that's strong enough to do that to 4 of them.

Of course nowadays we've all fought numerous cybers at once and it isn't that exciting or scary, but that first ever cyber encounter is like none other.

[zenith berry]

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[finite crag]

how do i play local multiplayer on the doom remasters?

[jade solstice]

On PC? @finite crag

And when you say remasters, do you mean the Unity port

If you mean the unity port, it actually doesn’t support local play unless one player uses KBM and the other uses controller

I don’t know the reasoning for that. But, that’s how it was on PC for me

[finite crag]

Nobody told me about ID starts playing and you know something is about to happen

[slim willow]

Yeah man. That ominous music as you load into it. Miss that sorta tension in the new games.

[finite crag]

I remember absolutely bricking myself when I saw the cyber

What the hell is that?!

It shoots rockets!!!!

[slim willow]

the roar was a lot scarier when you had no idea what it was

[finite crag]

Oh yeah you heard the roar first

Actually any time you heard an enemy has spotted you sound you hadn't heard before you went
What the fuuck was that....

The lofi soundblaster effects just added to that

Honestly og doom at the time was scary shit

[slim willow]

also the software renderer is a lot darker and moodier i think than the modern hardware renderers you see in like gzdoom.

i need to pick up the playstation 1 port. that one was real spooky

[finite crag]

Yeah the sector lighting gave og doom a very distinctive look

Tho even gzdoom can emulate it pretty well if you tweak some settings

[slim willow]

This is true

[finite crag]

The default hardware lighting smooths out the gradients and is a little brighter

[slim willow]

too smooth

[finite crag]

I've grown used to it. I do always darken the lighting though a little

[slim willow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/951569115074670676/1031792343625515081/doom46.png

I'm also a massive nerd who cares about skyboxes so I guess I'm a little biased.

[finite crag]

Nah genuine is genuine

But for the me the move from software to 3d acceleration was such a religious experience that to this day I find it cool having hardware acceleration in games that were software first

I still remember vividly getting Tomb Raider to run in 3DFX mode for the first time and being just in awe

It looked incredible yet ran far smoother

Black magic

[dapper flint]

Even with gz I still like to turn software on

[zenith berry]

Same

Or at least turn texture filtering off

[finite crag]

Yeah filtering must go.
I do like to use gzdoom's sprite upscaler though sometimes.

[finite crag]

yup

and yes, i'm talking about the unity port

[royal heron]

Battle IQ boils down to basically just battle experience, and hax at the most barebones definition I can remember is just powers that your character has

Anyway, we should now stop talking about scaling here

[dapper flint]

That should be done immediately upon installation lol

[narrow condor]

Is it still on by default?

[azure nimbus]

Hardware has some settings that make it very similar to software. I use that for screenshots

[forest zodiac]

yeah, like palette tonemapping

[zenith berry]

Hold up

Did Bethesda convert what’s originally a ZDoom TC into a Unity-ready addon mod?

[narrow condor]

Which TC are you talking about?

[azure nimbus]

rekkr is vanilla compat. There might be a zdoom version with some extra hud features but it was functional on vanilla.

[devout musk]

Oh shit wassup grougaru should have probably expected to see you here lmao

[dapper flint]

I am in all places at all times

[devout musk]

Fair enough lmao just a didn’t expect to see you here even though I prolly should have

[dapper flint]

I've been in this discord since before the plague

[devout musk]

You have damn near 2 years before me

Now I just have to watch for meloch and bob

[dapper flint]

Bobs a mod here also

[devout musk]

Lmao

[slim willow]

moloch is here too he just doesnt talk

[autumn scarab]

can anyone help me find a good source for total conversation mods compatible with the current port of doom/doom 2?

im bored with the officially offered ones rn

i tried doomworld but unless i download and try every wad, then i have no idea if it will work, and i don't want to do that for every single wad i find interesting

[vivid vine]

[zenith berry]

Harmony.

[slim blade]

[royal heron]

Are you on pc? Then you can use GZDoom instead of unity

[vale gyro]

If you want a ton of changes, use what Coffee said

If you want more vanilla gameplay (to an extent), use PRBoom+ or Woof (I personally prefer Woof, though I never used PRBoom+, and I am biased as I come from Crispy Doom)

[river wadi]

https://youtu.be/xyOhln21oKw which wad is is this 🤔

[finite crag]

Probably scary doom wad

[finite crag]

Like coffee said just use gzdoom source port for TCs.

You can use the original wads from the unity release

[noble jasper]

Hi! Can anyone please help which add on was that seems now removed from Switch that contained a level, where you have to advance to a part that had 3 separate buildings with the color of the blue, red and yellow key?

It was a pretty big map, I think 1 of the buildings had the monsters in "sleep mode" with their faces towards the wall.

[jade solstice]

That’s too vague for me, personally
But the pins have a list of all the WADs

Well, most

Revolution, that new one that starts with a H (harmony I think), and all the doom 2 exclusive ones are on doom 1 now AFAIK

[noble jasper]

If it helps, it was surely released to the switch as an add on and I'm pretty sure it's now removed and i don't think it was within the Master Levels.

[jade solstice]

I don’t think they would just remove 1 single add on on 1 platform

Compare the names in your add on list to the list in the pins.

[noble jasper]

Ok, I'll try. Thanks!

[dapper flint]

I always felt eternity played alot like unity. Might be a good option. That was my first source port. Plus you get to try Heartland

[autumn scarab]

thanks for all the non answers everyone

im not using gzdoom

[hexed escarp]

Any wad that you find on the internet will more than likely state what it is compatible with

If it says boom or mbf compatible, you can play it with prboom plus or woof

If it says vanilla compatible or limit removing, you can play it with pretty much any source port

But if it says zdoom compatible, you can only play it with zdoom or gzdoom, and if it says gzdoom, you can only use gzdoom

Most total conversions are for gzdoom

But most regular wads are boom or mbf compat

If I may recommend a wad, I'm playing Eviternity right now and it is absolutely amazing

Everything from the gameplay to the aesthetics and the music is exquisite

It is mbf compatible

[spice radish]

If you ever wanna do mods or play certain mods your gonna need GZDoom for that btw

[autumn scarab]

i don't want mods

[spice radish]

👍

[dapper flint]

Don't come here being an ass when people wanted to help. No one owes you anything. Why don't you just piss off and do it on your own then

[spice radish]

?

[dapper flint]

There's at least 7 people if you scroll up that tried to help. He then replies with attitude thanking people for their non answers. A better thing to do is to say thanks and maybe be more specific on his needs so people can try to help him better.

[spice radish]

Oh your talking to him I thought you where talking to me

[dapper flint]

Nah

[hexed escarp]

You were not specific enough about what you wanted, you asked about total conversions, and most of those are made for gzdoom

[royal heron]

alright fine if you want to be an ass then I'll be one too

ther are no TCs for Unity since Unity is only limit removing

and guess what TC means? Total Conversion

it changes the entire game

what you're looking for does not exist, and if it does go find it yourself

now go fuck off and download GZDoom if you want TCs

[azure nimbus]

there are some TCs for vanilla "batman doom" or "aliens TC" from 1994.

REKKR is a tc and vanilla compat. It exists

[pearl osprey]

Why not?

It's one of the best source ports, and most TCs require it

[prime remnant]

But it is not accurate to vanilla gameplay

[dapper flint]

Ya If you want vanilla gameplay I wouldn't suggest gz

[pearl osprey]

Vanilla accuracy doesn't matter when you are playing a TC tbh

[prime remnant]

For vanilla accuracy prboom+ is pretty good

[autumn scarab]

wow who would have guessed

[autumn scarab]

which could have been said from the beginning

[pearl osprey]

My brother in Christ, you asked for a good source port for total conversions and you were given an answer, what more do you want

[calm cradle]

Thing better simmer down in here

[royal heron]

Yeah sorry kevan

[autumn scarab]

i asked for a good source to find unity port compatible wads

[autumn scarab]

alright thank you

[hexed escarp]

ohhhhhh i see

ah i understand the confusion

when you said source, people interpereted that as source port

[autumn scarab]

ahh

[hexed escarp]

but yeah you can look on doomworld and find ones that say vanilla compatible or limit removing

[autumn scarab]

my bad then i should have said unity

[hexed escarp]

those should work with unity

[hexed escarp]

no that wasnt the problem, the problem was you said "can someone give me a good source to find wads" and people interpereted that as "can someone give me a good source PORT to play wads"

[autumn scarab]

yeah im also not on pc, im mobile and don't want to buy delta touch, i can add wads through system storage

its possible and i wish people were more aware that you can add your own add ons in the mobile release

[hexed escarp]

i didnt even know there was a mobile release

[autumn scarab]

yeah its basically just unity doom and 2 without multiplayer

same add ons and everything

i can't speak about adding add ons for apple tho i have no idea

[hexed escarp]

interesting

[autumn scarab]

pretty easy for android

and obviously i recommend a controller if you end up playing on mobile

or keyboard if you can

[pearl osprey]

ohhh

that makes sense

[pearl osprey]

The delta touch developers are nice, if you really really want it you can contact them and they'll give you it for free

You can always buy it later to show them appreciation if you like it

[autumn scarab]

fr?

just because of that i might just buy it

[finite crag]

i'm gonna ask this again

how do i play local multiplayer on doom unity edition on pc?

[azure nimbus]

seems like you need at least one controller

[jade solstice]

I answered you

So I’m gonna ask you to read, again lol

#classic-doom message

I’m not bothered by you asking again, but I am bothered that you are asking it in a way that implies no one answered

[hexed escarp]

Are the last 5 maps of doom 2 worth playing?

I finished bloodfalls, but by that point I was getting really tired of it

So I haven’t played it in a while

[dapper flint]

Map 29 is one of my favorite maps

[hexed escarp]

Ok

Currently I’m mostly focusing on Eviternity

Because it’s SO FUCKING GOOD

I’m on map14 rn and so far I love everything about it

The visuals, the gameplay, the music

The new enemies are cool, except asshole caco, he can fuck off

Why does this wad have higher production quality than the original games

[azure nimbus]

lots of pwads do. What fans have managed with better engines, more textures, more experience making and playing levels(doom being basically the first fps with multiple enemy types and complex level design), better editors is really impressive

[hexed escarp]

What should I play after Eviternity

[azure nimbus]

consider heartland or valiant if you want something similar. preacher is cool too. imo it doesn't get enough attention. similar difficulty but different vibe

[finite crag]

So use it?

Nvm this was already discussed

[finite crag]

Because current source ports are way more modern than og idtech.

And the decades of mapping and modding experience

I mean sad fact is Romero's Sigil feels really outdated in terms of level design compared to what mappers do these days.
Granted Sigil adheres to og idtech limitations so it cannot be as advanced as something created for gzdoom but regardless it goes to show how good mappers have become

[manic sonnet]

guys

amogus

[vale gyro]

you still need a source port that can run boom maps

Because a ton of maps do use boom

Anyways, if I can correctly remember what your original question was. I say use idgames, you can find some stuff there

Doomworld has never shown me everything in my experience

But for total conversions, i don’t know

I think a lot are mods that use GZDoom

So, don’t use idgames

You can try to find something there maybe

But best luck is on ModDB if your talking GZDoom

You can find some really nice conversions there

Most people won’t consider this a conversion, and more like it’s own game

But you can try out Total Chaos

[finite crag]

Classic DooM is good from OST

[atomic badger]

I tried playing Brutal Doom Black edition. Is there anyway to remove reloading? Its incredibly annoying.

[gusty falcon]

Not in that one

[atomic badger]

Dang it

[slim willow]

you can remove reloading by loading doom without the brutal doom pk3

[pearl osprey]

I found this to generally improve the gameplay too

[gusty falcon]

Or just go into the settings and turn it off

With base brutal doom anyway

https://youtu.be/K5BRLpWsdS8

[narrow condor]

I'm inclined to speculate that Romero didn't really play wads others made all that much, if at all.

[finite crag]

oh, sorry

i didn't foun the answer
thanks mate

[sacred birch]

Hey everyone! Is there any way to get a message to anyone connected to the iOs port of Doom and Doom II? Not sure how popular a keyboard covers are in general for tablets, but on my ipad i have one and would love if Doom played on it like we used to play it on the days of yore. Sadly the keyboard controls are bugged, and I thought maybe it's possible to nudge a dev to hotfix it.. I'm expecting this to go nowhere, but eh worth a shot..

[noble jasper]

Hi. Sorry, coming back to this I sadly still did not find my answer. The list what I see from the pinned message is from May 2022. But I suspect that what I'm looking for was part of the add-ons before that. The list isn't accurate because the Master Levels have also been removed.

So I guess the question is: was there any add-on content that's been also removed? 😆

[jade solstice]

..? Master levels got removed

They’re only on doom 2

If you’re on doom 1 you will not see them

They wouldn’t just remove levels

[noble jasper]

No, I have both Doom 1 and 2.

I just finished checking all the levels from the pinned list on YouTube and this exact level wasn't among them. :/

[limber mirage]

Master levels isn’t an add on in doom2. You would see it as a selectable campaign.

[noble jasper]

Hmm, ok. True.

[lofty dirge]

Guys how i get the skin slayer zombie

[noble jasper]

My bad, first I was looking for it among the add-ons.

As I was looking for this specific level among of all the content.

[limber mirage]

Doom 1 and 2 comes with these add ons :

Sigil ( 8 level wad) 1 secret
Plutonia ( 30 level wad) 2 secret
TNT Evilution ( 30level wad) 2 secret
Double Impact ( 8 levels) 1 secret level
Deathless ( mega wad. 32 levels) 4 secret levels
No end in sight ( mega wad 32 levels) 4 secret levels
BTSX ep 1 ( 25 level wad) 2 secrets
BTSX ep 2 ( 26 level wad) 1 secret
Doom Zero ( 32 level wad) 2 secrets
Syringe 7 level wad
Earthless 12 level wad
Arrival 11 level wad
Anomaly Report 32 level wad
Revolution 32 level wad
No rest for the living 8 levels

Only difference is the base campaign, and doom 2 has the Master levels as a “campaign”

[jade solstice]

No rest for the living is on doom 1 now I think
I’ll double check

[limber mirage]

Updated with the more recent wads. Will update a bit later because I think someone mentioned some of the exclusive ones are no longer exclusive or something

[jade solstice]

Ye ye

‘Twas me

[limber mirage]

Don’t have my switch on me but once I check I’ll ensure the — are removed or added

[jade solstice]

Also Harmony is on doom 1 I think too now - just got added, idk about 2

[noble jasper]

So you're saying that what I'm looking for might be somewhere among these changes?

[slim willow]

bob youre killing it with keeping up the list

[limber mirage]

For the Total conversions I have it listed as both dooms but under doom 2

I might just add it as a third section might be easier to avoid confusion

[limber mirage]

I try

Total Conversions! A game within a game! Games made in doom but highly modded! Free add ons for the rereleases of doom 1 and 2!

REKKR
4 episodes. 8 levels each.

Harmony
13 levels
Treat as new games

[slim willow]

Trying and succeeding.

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/y1Yd-U05JDo

[limber mirage]

Updated the list

They have made both dooms exactly the same, aside from the initial base games and doom 2 having master levels.

All add ons and total conversions are in both games

[jade solstice]

Sick

[jade solstice]

Finished rekkr finally. Liked it overall, but the last 2-3 levels were a bit over the top for my liking lol

With that kind of weapon set

[vast reef]

is rtx doom vanilla compat?

[noble jasper]

Just came across this picture, maybe it helps? It's the closest thing I could find after a lot of google searches. The level looked similarly, at a point like this you can decide which red, blue or yellow colored building you want to enter with the key you got previously.

https://www.doomworld.com/afterglow/assets/img/best-maps/dyst3113.jpg

And one of the buildings I remember you had a room with full of demons facing the wall in this sleep state where you have to wake them up.

[jade solstice]

If you played it on switch, then it still exists.
They haven’t removed anything from the unity port 💀

[dapper flint]

I always assumed it was a pr boom thing

[vast reef]

i know rtx doom's a prboom modification

i can't test it because i don't have a ray-tracing GPU (or a dedicated GPU at all for that matter), but i was wondering if demos made with it functioned any differently or if the rtx implementation had unintentionally introduced some new gameplay quirks

[hexed escarp]

Demos seem to work perfectly from my testing

[vast reef]

thank you

[hexed escarp]

I watched some speedruns with it turned on and it worked great

[finite crag]

I always thought the barons and hell knights were wearing pants

[pearl osprey]

I thought the revenant wore red pants for the first year of playing doom

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/Les5pJ8

[pearl osprey]

[finite crag]

Ray traced doom, still have to try it out

Kinda hoping to get dlss2fsr working with it too

Unless it supports fsr natively already

[finite crag]

Does anyone wanna play classic doom co op tonight? Hmu if interested. We could run some mods

[hexed escarp]

What do you guys think is the hardest megawad

[hexed escarp]

It does

[finite crag]

Hey guys, I have found a new obsession with the classic doom games, especially modded. Would anybody like to play co op?

[jade solstice]

Idk but I do know that BTSX 2 final secret level is the worst level I’ve ever played

[craggy bone]

Megawad? That I know of, probably Sunlust

Wait, does Italo-Doom count as a megawad

Yeah it does. Italo-Doom then

[hexed escarp]

If we were talking individual levels what would it be

[craggy bone]

Probably something like Okuplok

[azure nimbus]

sunlust is def not the hardest lol

[hexed escarp]

Does the doom community have something equivalent to item abuse 3 from the kaizo Mario community?

A level so hard that it is not meant or possible to be beaten by humans and is meant to be a challenge for tassers

[gleaming valve]

darn, i just don't know.

[nocturne jacinth]

the things that annoy me are

[craggy bone]

What megawads are harder than Sunlust/Italo-Doom?

I can think of a bunch of sets, but not megawads

[azure nimbus]

flotsam.

[craggy bone]

I've actually never heard of that, but fair enough

[azure nimbus]

to be fair, it is 16 maps which is only borderline megawad

for reference, this is map01
https://youtu.be/qw-Bks41az8

anyway
smax is arguably harder than sunlust. and smax is 35 or so levels. with that said, it's hard to think of a harder 32 map set created by a small team rather than a community project, something really cohesive

[slim willow]

sunlust is brutal but its definitely been outdone a bunch of times

[jade solstice]

Finally finished all the WADs in unity

Harmony was too weird for me personally. I liked rekkr but harmony eh, idk
Not for me personally
It was cool at first but the giant walker guys are absurdly tanky

[dapper flint]

Well I'm sure you'll get a new map for unity in a few months

[finite crag]

What is Unity?

[dapper flint]

It's the port for classic doom that was released around eternals launch as a promo

Also known as re release

[finite crag]

Oh cool didn’t know that

[trail ibex]

amogus.pk3 is unironically the 2nd hardest mod ive ever played

[craggy bone]

Harmony is so stingy with ammo if you pistol start. Definitely designed for continuous, which is quite a novelty

[narrow condor]

One thing I'd like to see more of is highly difficult wads that rely on tight combat puzzles with very few monsters and highly choreographed fights that don't leave much room to RNG's whim.

[finite crag]

Classic doom AI can only do that much.
At least it would need custom enemies and lots of scripting

[finite crag]

To be exact Unity is a game engine like Unreal.
The re releases just run on Unity

[narrow condor]

Definitely not; there are vanilla wads all the way from '90s that fit my description.

[ornate vortex]

I wouldn’t say stardate 20x6 or 20x7 is harder than sunlust, but it’s good if you’re looking for a challenge

there’s tons of wads in general that are considered harder than sunlust. I just tend to see sunlust as the megawad that bridges the gap towards the very hard doom wads.

[craggy bone]

Right, I was just thinking of a megawad as being like... A full set

But technically 15 maps or more is a megawad

[finite crag]

ngl i think that the doom snes port is underrated

it may be slow, but it's one of the best doom ports of the 90's, the best one is psx ofc

doom 32x may have poopoo music and lacks the third chapter, but at least it plays well and the sound effects are the same

doom jaguar doesn't have music, but it plays well too

doom 3do SUCKS, the only good thing is the music

sega saturn doom sucks too, not only it's slow, but it has the psx port ambience but doesn't have the illumination effects of that port, so the atmosphere is weird

[ornate vortex]

There’s not really many megawads after sunlust. They all kinda sit less than 10 maps.

[azure nimbus]

from what I've heard, unity is really a shell for inputs but the code and physics run the same as always

[slim willow]

PSX Doom is so damn good because it's actually worth playing over the PC original at times. The new maps are fun and the atmosphere is killer.

[gleaming valve]

agreed

[hexed escarp]

Has okuplok been beaten by anyone without saves?

[dapper flint]

I've seen a few TAS but that's about it

[slim willow]

I don't believe it is a matter of it being undoable, but the endurance required.

[late grove]

[hexed escarp]

Yeah you would just have to sit there for days

[verbal sluice]

any of you managed to get the co-op achievement lol

im suicidal just trying

just beat E2M5 after a solid hour of trying

[finite crag]

Guys

Which is better, Unity or .WAD doom?

[slim willow]

Playing it with a source port? Definitely better.

[finite crag]

i agree

I have doom for switch and running is at least 5X better on a source port

Benefits of each (In my opinion)

Unity: Nicer Firing (imo)

Its on Modern Consoles officially

end of list

Source Ports:

Vertical Aiming

The Ability To Jump

Mods

Colored Hud

More

[slim willow]

i dont like the jumping and all that

i just like being able to play cool maps

[maiden leaf]

Much of the stuff you mentioned are things the game wasn’t originally balanced around.

[tame quest]

You can literally jump across the e1m4 exit gap

[slim willow]

for real

[maiden leaf]

I know in doom 2016 the had the foresight to add an invisible wall funnily enough

[craggy bone]

And looking up and down looks weeeeird outside of GZDoom

I kinda like Unity's old-sounding midi player

[slim willow]

gravis ultrasound

[lavish osprey]

Hello Guys

How are you

i want play DOOM wads on ZDOOM

Is there a WAD you can recommend?

[finite crag]

Did you actually have one?

[verbal sluice]

god i fucking HATE pinkies

[lavish osprey]

@verbal sluicewelcome

[verbal sluice]

yes hello sorry

just trying to keep my sanity while achievement hunting

[vale gyro]

I feel your pain. If not for me hating Cyberdemons more

God, everytime they are around my RNG rolls suck

I can shoot 600 cells of BFG in kissing distance of a cyberdemon

And they are still standing sometimes

[lavish osprey]

no problem. I used the word "welcome" ironically. Pinkies are even more aggressive in brutal doom. And yeah.. I hate pinkies too. my favorite monsters are pain elementals

[lavish osprey]

[verbal sluice]

I'm playing standard doom on nightmare + coop

Aka hell

[lavish osprey]

killing the spider mastermind in less than 1 minute means getting pleasure from his music

[lavish osprey]

cool

[lavish osprey]

nightmare...you must be a very strong player

Did you speedrun in nightmare?

[tardy wind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMF0D5vzeSQ

[verbal sluice]

naa but coop means infinite spawning enemies, and nightmare means you die in 1 or 2 hits

[azure nimbus]

where did you get either of these facts lol. coop has nothing to do with enemies infinitely spawning. Coop, at least in the steam and xbox implementation, lets you infinitely spawn. Enemies respawn because of nightmare. Nightmare has nothing to do with enemy damage at all. They attack faster but not harder

[verbal sluice]

technically they do infinitely spawn but no need to get the wikipedia page up chief i was exaggerating

[hexed escarp]

Eviternity is amazing

[verbal sluice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/605871338690838532/1033796070817402900/unknown.png

[lavish osprey]

wow...congratulations.

[lavish osprey]

thanks

[dapper flint]

Doom 93?

[verbal sluice]

Yessir

[lucid maple]

hi, does anybody have an idea how do I run the doom engine from GitHub in debug mode using the installed game?

[pearl osprey]

Depends on the source port, look at the documentation.

For prboom+ and dsda-doom you just replace cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release with cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug when compiling it

actually I think cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug should work for literally almost all source ports

[dapper flint]

Well done. Going do 2 next ?

[verbal sluice]

yeah, just got a couple more achievement to mop up in the original first

[verbal sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829283805071540246/1033839042200088576/unknown.png

anothah' one

[maiden yarrow]

imagine DOOM in Unity

[dapper flint]

Map 29 nightmare for unity took me 2 months so wish you the best

I think it's still 0.1 percent

[verbal sluice]

Yeah it's 0.07 lol, can't wait

The hardest map on doom was house of pain I think it's called

Never has a name matched a map so well

[dapper flint]

Practice map 29 before your run

[verbal sluice]

I haven't played doom 2 in yearsssss, it's gonna be a painful challenge for sure

[azure nimbus]

pistol start it's rough, hardest three maps imo. But you can bring a bfg and a full backpack from map28. There's also a nonsecret hidden rocket launcher if you shoot one of the symbols on the wall before the exit room of 28

[gritty tartan]

Bad

[gritty tartan]

Unity is proprietary and supports only Windows

I was able to run original linuxdoom v1.10 with almost zero modifications

I just had to compile old GCC

It worked without emulators

Natively

All old Doom versions (even 3 BFG) are open-source

And work on all platforms

[pearl osprey]

Do you remember which version you used?

I tried compiling the original linuxdoom for curiosity but failed after hours of trying

didn't occur to me you need an old version of GCC

[tame quest]

How do you fix [received al error invalid enum 0xa002 oalsound]?

[gritty tartan]

3.3.6 if I'm not wrong

Lemme check

Yeah, 3.3.6

You also have to modify some files via sed

Just replace errnos.h with errno.h

[vocal summit]

unity ≠ bad

a lot of games are made in unity

[gritty tartan]

And my laptop can't run them because of that

I hate Unity because it's proprietary, not crossplatform and slow

[vocal summit]

unity is very much cross platform

slow depends on the game developer

[ember lily]

i was warned for gif spam here

i have never talked here

[spice radish]

Your laptops just bad that’s not Unitys fault

[azure nimbus]

it's good for new players but outclassed in every way by other ports

[brazen zephyr]

anyone here played elementalism?

[verbal sluice]

holy shit thy flesh consumed whoops your ass

[brazen zephyr]

i need to beat that

i should be able to beat it

[lavish osprey]

no

[brazen zephyr]

Play it

It's very good

[lavish osprey]

did you played eviternity ?

[brazen zephyr]

Started playing it but haven't finished it yet

It's also very cool

[lavish osprey]

yeah

i finished it

[gritty tartan]

Even modern laptops can't run Unity

Because Unity is not crossplatform

Unity natively supports only Windows

[lavish osprey]

... did you speedrun in nightmare mode

[limber mirage]

Tried using proton or wine?

Preferably proton, or proton GE

The unity dooms run fine on Linux with proton

[gritty tartan]

Proton uses Vulkan, but I don't have it. Wine never was good at running .NET games.

[brazen zephyr]

Not skilled enough to do that lol

[lavish osprey]

no problem.

[gritty tartan]

Proton has much better .NET support even if it's fork of Wine

[lavish osprey]

do you play brutal doom

[brazen zephyr]

Sure do

Although i prefer project brutality

[lavish osprey]

yeah

[brazen zephyr]

Is as over the top as you want it to be

[lavish osprey]

i think p.b is better than brutal doom

[brazen zephyr]

Its an enhancement

Iirc you can play normal brutal doom in p.b.

[lavish osprey]

yes

[lavish osprey]

Too bad it doesn't work on ZDOOM

[brazen zephyr]

Zdoom is pretty outdated

[lavish osprey]

yes

I have to use this because my computer is 32 bit😕

[spice radish]

That’s not true my laptop runs games like Dusk, ULTRAKILL, Hollow Knight, Subnautica, and Fall Guys just fine

[limber mirage]

He using Linux

[pearl osprey]

Unity runs on my Linux machine, but not natively through proton

Unity doom only has a Windows version iirc, which is wierd to me since the Unity game engine supports exporting to Linux with one click

[narrow condor]

FWIW you can force Proton to use OpenGL only through environment variables.

I ran Unity Doom through Proton to legally obtain a copy of No Rest for the Living and swiftly uninstalled it. :-P

[verbal sluice]

doom_intermission.mp3

[pearl osprey]

Its definitely a midi and not a .mp3 🙃

[verbal sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829283805071540246/1034143905597362257/massive-crowd.gif

[dapper flint]

Plasma route and you get a shit ton of plasma anyways

[verbal sluice]

I should have streamed my run on house of pain yesterday lol

[finite crag]

Personally the opposite for me, brutal doom adds just enough carnage whereas pb feels like too much already.
Pb is really neat though

Speaking of too bad Brutal Fate got pushed back but understandable

[dapper flint]

You should take me advice and get map 29 out of the way otherwise you're wasting your time

[verbal sluice]

My momma didn't raise no quitter

[trim pine]

yoo

I have doom 1 and 2+final doom on GOG, is there a way for me to play the Unity version without paying for the Steam version?

[dapper flint]

You're already playing it

[trim pine]

I thought the GOG verison only had the dos version??

Or did they update the GOG version?

[forest zodiac]

they added the 2019 remaster to GOG back in August

[trim pine]

o

I checked and it seems I have the old version of doom only, and no way to update

is there anyone who would be able to help with that?

the check for updates button in gog galaxy doesnt do anything, and the verify/repair button doesnt update my game

[verbal sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829283805071540246/1034236684138721320/unknown.png

d64 and doom down, d2 next

[trim pine]

What

That's like xbox stuff

Not gog

[verbal sluice]

yeah i know lol

wasn't in reply to you

[narrow condor]

Why do you want Unity Doom in particular?

[trim pine]

oh nvm then

[trim pine]

just because why not

[narrow condor]

If you absolutely prefer the Unity version over the source ports, it seems like your best bet is buying it a second time.

[trim pine]

I'm not that desparate

can't i like uninstall doom and reinstall to update?

[azure nimbus]

do remember unity doom is a port

[trim pine]

ik

im gonna go to bed

cya

[dapper flint]

Easy

Doom 2 map 29 not so much

Nm https://imgur.com/a/YKD2Te0

[gritty tartan]

Linux version of Unity uses Mono (helly slow unusable VM)

[royal heron]

you should just use another sourceport instead of unity if you're on PC

[trim pine]

I do that already, but like I want the unity port since I paid for it technically

[spice radish]

With a source port you get so much more out of the game in the form of mods and other custom maps then what the Unity port provides

And you can play some of the maps the Unity port provides and then some

[trim pine]

Ok

[slim willow]

nobody is forcing you to go either way. but using a source port is preferrable

[ornate vortex]

Source ports allow preference I find

[jade solstice]

I don’t have anyone to play nightmare for co op local with
Sadge
😠 if they had online.. like old console port

[ornate vortex]

There’s lots of different source ports for different ways of playing doom

[verbal sluice]

yeah its annoying, i just hooked up a controller to my pc and left player 2 afk

can imps infight with other imps? i swear they never seem to for me

[pearl osprey]

Monsters with the same type don't fight each other with the exception of hitscan enemies

[verbal sluice]

thought i was going crazy because i know zombies and shotgunners fight eachother but thanks for clarifying!

[finite crag]

Lost souls infight though for some reason

[spice radish]

Lost Souls have always been kinda wacky though

[dapper flint]

It's better that way. People are idiots

[fresh kayak]

yo

[dapper flint]

True

[fresh kayak]

whats ur fav doom game

[jade solstice]

Any recommendations for that then? Lol still seems annoying

[verbal sluice]

what do you mean?

how to beat it solo?

[jade solstice]

Yeah lol
Nightmare on classic doom seems atrocious

[verbal sluice]

it helps a lot if you know like the general route through a map and where the best pickups are

and most of the time you're best off just trying to run straight past enemies, cause if you kill one it will just respawn anyway haha

good news is in coop even when you die you keep the keycards and stuff so it's just a case of keep trying til you wriggle through it

[azure nimbus]

eviternity annihilators can fight each other which is pretty funny. They don't have blast resistance so can hurt each other(only projectile direct damage goes through the "species check")

[hexed escarp]

Also they have hitscan

So they can hurt each other with both attacks

[azure nimbus]

true, forgot about that

[craggy bone]

You can actually make monsters of the same type infight through trickery involving barrels

[verbal sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829283805071540246/1034811631781290004/unknown.png

bro who cut my mans hair

[slim willow]

the doom 2 cut is definitely something

[verbal sluice]

What cut would you like?

Just fuck my shit up bro

[marble peak]

💀

[slim willow]

bro got that 8 dollar cut 💀

[azure furnace]

looks like teeth 🫶😭

[pine blaze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pDiHRrQG90

[dapper flint]

They're great for cyber infighting later on

[ashen salmon]

someone needs to get this haircut to show that they're a true doom fan

i'm tired of seeing people with the same mark of the slayer tattoo

[slim willow]

If I were to get a Doom tattoo I would get a FIREBLU tattoo

or a tattoo of MAP24: The Chasm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/951569115074670676/1034941989017366548/1280px-MAP24_map.png

or maybe a FIREBLU square with The Chasm drawn inside it

[vivid vine]

go full on Yakuza and get a giant MARBFAC2 in color across your back

[chrome forum]

Classic doom is the best one

[slim willow]

[finite crag]

Faviorte classic doom weapon? doom-doom 64

[past field]

D2 SSG

[knotty venture]

[high path]

DOOM64 Super Shotgun

[vale gyro]

As I have no power in anything I say anymore, might as well say the most powerful weapon in doom 1 and 2: The Big Fucking Gun

[high path]

ah but what's you're favorite, hmmm?

Does not need to be the best or biggest

[vale gyro]

BFG, is my favorite

Up next would actually be the standard shotgun

Tied with SSG

[ornate vortex]

is there any good keybinds for SR50 that anyone here uses? (I’ve tried a bunch and none of them work for me that well)

I wanna try and improve at my basic speedrunning skills

[finite crag]

Epic

[azure nimbus]

think lots of people use q and e as their turning keys

[narrow condor]

Oh that's clever. All this time I was using my mouse.

[azure nimbus]

if you have q as your left turn, you can put your middle finger on q and w simultaniously, or I think this is more common, have q be your right turn so that you have middle finger on w, pointer on d and ring on q.. Take this with a grain of salt since I use controller

[spice radish]

bothers me there’s no reload animation lol

[dapper flint]

[slim willow]

I have auto run on, so I use the ALT and CTRL keys and right mouse as strafe. It's weird but it works

[royal heron]

Have you tried lshift for turn left and spacebar for turn right?

Very ergonomic if using WASD

[molten iron]

I use shift to turn left, c to turn right and space for use

And left mouse for strafe

[hexed escarp]

Is it bad that I almost accidentally spelled evolution as evilution while writing an essay?

[high path]

to conserve space.

[vale gyro]

It just shows you eviloled, bro

FUCK

That was not even a joke

I just spelt that shit wrong

[high path]

One of us!

[wide sinew]

Does anyone know of any good vanilla or limit-removing compatible megawads consisting of single-room puzzles for each map?

[craggy bone]

That's very specific

I haven't played all of it, but you might enjoy Cyberdreams. Every map is a puzzle involving cyberdemons with no weapons or ammo.

[slim willow]

Puzzles and Doom don't usually mix all that well. But I'm sure it could be a pretty cool project to start.

the titlepic could be Doomguy with a Rubik's Cube or something

[craggy bone]

If you were gonna make a puzzle set, you'd probably want to make it in a more sophisticated format so you can have voodoo doll scripting etc.

Struggling to think of a lot of interesting puzzles you could do with just vanilla line actions

[slim willow]

Yeah... Mapping for that sounds absolutely terrible...

lack of dolls alone sounds terrifying

[azure nimbus]

I misspelled something...

um vanilla has no pushback on chainsaw, killing voodoos for stealth, and d2 monster projectiles activate walkover triggers. would be cool to see that used

[wide sinew]

Doom 64 would like to know your location

[slim willow]

key word used: usually

[idle gyro]

hi

[ornate vortex]

Thanks for all the suggestions about which keys I could possibly use, will try them later today and ill see what works for me

[lament jackal]

The first episode of "The Ultimate Doom" takes place on Phobos or on Mars?

[slim willow]

Phobos.

The Ultimate Doom doesn't have any episodes that are directly on Mars.

[azure nimbus]

everyone knows e1 is in China

[slim willow]

So true

[finite crag]

I'm on ps4

[slim willow]

you arent even wrong though lol

[finite crag]

Question, what ever happened to the doom 2 models they made for the game

[halcyon willow]

Play 1000 lines 2 map 32 and have your brain bent into a pretzel

[spice radish]

Episode 1 is on Phobos
Episode 2 is on Deimos
Episode 3 is in Hell

[spice radish]

If I had to guess probably at id Softwares office

I think in one of the interviews with Hugo Martin they show some shots inside id’s office and I think some of the models can be seen in display cases

That or it’s just regular Doom merch

[azure nimbus]

I have them

[vale gyro]

Finally, after many months of slacking, I finished Ultimate Doom

[opal falcon]

I need to get back to Doom II.

Different factors have prevented me from playing any games.

[vale gyro]

well

uhh, I think Woof got me Wacatac

Yep, it did

so yea

anyone who has Woof installed, be fucking aware

Nevermind

I want to clear up things

It was Wapcapew, which was apparently a false positive, and is fixed in the most recent version, according to what someone had just said on Doomworld

Not Wacatac

but also

I do not find it anywhere in the patch notes

[pearl osprey]

The chances of you getting malware from a doom source port are almost zero

They are (almost) all open source, every small change to the code can be viewed by anyone

Ironically the official re-release is the only popular source port that isn't foss

[vale gyro]

The change was mentioned

I’ll reinstall Woof sometime later

[pearl osprey]

Btw using a website like virustotal is much better than any antivirus

[azure nimbus]

what does this mean, "wapcapew"? I've been running woof for the past several versions and never had a malware issue

[high path]

I love ur pfp

Lost Troul

[ornate vortex]

Lost Troll

[vale gyro]

I am honestly unsure what really had happened to be honest with you

I had gotten it quarantined and removed, and apparently it was due to some .dll issue or something, and had been fixed in the most recent version of Woof

But also from research, it’s apparently a trojan

I would say not to worry if you never had problems

Even though I got it from the official repo

I’ll research it some more, and see if my friend will want to set up a VM to test some things

Also

It’s also in PyInstaller for some reason…

Strange

[azure nimbus]

idk any tech stuff beyond "I download the zip file when fabian posts new versions"

[vale gyro]

welp

He refused to use a VM

[pearl osprey]

Could be a virus that infects your downloads

I remember 10 years ago I had this virus that automatically injected itself into any flash drive you plug in

[vale gyro]

well, if it does that

My entire PC and laptop are fucked

and maybe my Mom’s laptop

but, others also reported it as well

not just me

hmm

the newest version of Woof fixes this, according to Virus Total

yep

2.0 has it, no doubts

tested 4.0, detected nothing’

checking 2.0 again with a new download

no detection?

[slim willow]

You sure you are getting things from the right place?

Because the official downloads have zero problems.

[vale gyro]

double checked downloads, yep

I’m going insane

[slim willow]

https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/woof/releases/tag/woof_10.4.0

[vale gyro]

yep

[slim willow]

huh

[vale gyro]

thats the one I used

Someone else also reported the same issue

whatever, as long as Faiben himself said it was fixed

I don’t distrust him, as I had no problems with Crispy

but what is also strange

the same person commented on my topic and their topic

[slim willow]

antiviruses can sometimes claim there are issues when there are not. if fabian released malware it would be a major drama.

[vale gyro]

fair enough.

I’m just spooked as I could have exposed my main PC to something

And I dont want to lose an other one

and that’s why I hate Epic

fucking cause my old PC to bluescreen often

even after I reset the entire drive

so, I’m just jumpy

On my new PC, if I see anything blue, I automatically have a heart attack

Game crashes? same deal

So, was just jumpy about it

[vale gyro]

Well, I exaggerated a bit

I would be millions of dollars in medical debt then

Also

Episode 4 sucks

But looks cool

and it’s spider mastermind is kind of a joke tbh

[pearl osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1013572255592230973/1035992573979938906/unknown.png

woof.exe on virustotal

out of 71 antiviruses, none tagged it as malicious

[vale gyro]

not the exe btw

the .com file

on 2.0, and with windows defender, flagged it as wacapew

of course, now I feel safer

but, as I cannot directly upload the file currently

[pearl osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1013572255592230973/1035993501457977384/unknown.png

woof.com file

Either windows defender is misbehaving or you got something infecting other files

Check if the checksum matches the one in the screenshot ^

[vocal widget]

yo who wants to help me with the "Not So Bad" trophy?? (ps4)

[azure nimbus]

might be hard to get help for that online since the coop is local

[azure nimbus]

keep in mind that you only need the first three episodes. e4 does not matter for the achievement

[vocal widget]

theres a thing called share play

[vocal widget]

thanks i didnt know :3

[verbal sluice]

god almighty some of these master levels are shite

[royal heron]

all of em are basically shite

wait until you get to mephisto's mausoleum

[verbal sluice]

honestly cannot stand levels where theres like a toxic pit, fire pit etc with no way out

so dumb

[azure nimbus]

please don't let the MLs stop you from exploring custom content. The MLs are pretty trash but not representative of the best custom pwads from the last 30 years

[verbal sluice]

yeah dont worry im aware, brutal doom is god tier mod work

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829283805071540246/1036053768535552090/Untitled.mp4

can't say ive seen this before

spooky halloween sheeeeeit

[ornate vortex]

Invincible glitch eh, i think it happens when a crushed monster is resurrected

I'm pretty sure they can die to splash damage

[verbal sluice]

Yeah there was an Archie near before it happened I figured it was something to do with him

[finite crag]

doom psx should get ported to the unity ports as an addon

like quake 64 got ported to the quake remaster

[vast reef]

trying not to be the one guy who replies with a "not really" and hands out other mod recs

[verbal sluice]

yepp, that was fucking abysmal

[ornate vortex]

For November, I thought it would be funny if I speedrun Nuts3 on UV-Max ||(It's a No Nut November joke)||. How hard would you say that is?

[azure nimbus]

, Nuts3 is doable. decino played it a while back. read up on it though. a few monsters don't spawn in

[verbal sluice]

god these maps

Just done map 18, what a piss take 😁

[ornate vortex]

From what i heard 2 monsters can't be killed

[azure nimbus]

play valiant, crumpets, NERF, please. If you hate the MLs -- let them go

[narrow condor]

I stand by my stance that including Master Levels in the Steam bundle is a completely disservice to Doom.

It makes people think that not only is it good content worth anyone's time, but so good that it had to be included directly with the retail purchase.

[verbal sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829283805071540246/1036428564725235813/unknown.png

all done on UV too, why do i do it to myself

[slim willow]

master levels 🤢

[slim willow]

I am sorry for your loss.

[gritty tartan]

Huh

[merry shell]

What are some of the most popular wads and TCs that have came out in the past 10 years other than brutal doom and project brutality?

[verbal sluice]

speedrun the whole game in 2 hours, then nightmare coop, deathmatch kills and thats 100%

[finite crag]

that's crazy

[narrow condor]

@merry shell I recommend checking out Cacowards: https://www.doomworld.com/cacowards/

Yearly roundups of the best-received wads that came out in their respective years.

If you want to play earlier/older content, this is the Cacowards equivalent between 1994 and 2003: https://www.doomworld.com/10years/bestwads/

[jade solstice]

How long did nightmare “co op” take for you in each doom

[gritty tartan]

I installed Project Brutality from AUR, but IDK how to load it in GZDoom

I'm confused

[winged frigate]

how to fix out the cacodemons in doom 2 map 20 the part where you telefrag a cacodemon i cant fish out the cacodemons

[finite crag]

I think you can just drag the file in the launcher

With the Doom wad

[pearl osprey]

In what directory did it install?

You need to point GZDoom to the file with the -file command argument

gzdoom -file /path/to/brutal/doom/brutalv21.pk3

Looking at the AUR's PKGBUILD looks like it installs in usr/share/games/project-brutality/Project_Brutality-master.pk3

[sullen lark]

https://youtu.be/f5zyhC11hzQ just dropped today

[narrow condor]

Huh, that looks like an interesting game.

[gritty tartan]

Thankk you!

[verbal sluice]

Doom took me like 7-8 hours
Doom 2 TBC

[tame grotto]

Man I haven't watched this guy in ages

[hybrid canopy]

i played this special wad and istg there is nothing but these flying shits that look like the quake scrags shooting you with fireballs while cornered by mancubuses and imps there was around 10 of each

[verbal surge]

this video is awesome!

[undone pulsar]

https://www.moddb.com/games/doom-ii/addons/bfm-babbys-first-map

[dapper flint]

How's map 29 run

[verbal sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829283805071540246/1036676399613878342/unknown.png ez pz

[dapper flint]

Yeah that's definitely easy

Hows map 29 nightmare run going

Is what I mean. I was offline for a bit just wondering if you crushed it

Doing this speed achievement is even easier once you realize you don't have to do a single segment but it just adds up all your average previous times. For me I think I just needed to do 2 levels super fast and it just brought the average time down

[verbal sluice]

Haven't started nightmare yet but I will soon

Need a bit of a break though, all doom'd out

[outer atlas]

holy shit

its phil leotardo

[verbal sluice]

charles schwab over here

[verbal sluice]

first 7 maps done on nightmare, fucking chaingunners man

[dapper flint]

Well done. When you get to 28 use the bfg for 29. I ended up doing pistol start but I hear that's not the best strategy

[strong cipher]

how do you download mods on classic doom (steam edition)?

[slim willow]

you dont

[dapper flint]

They're just called add ons and you download them from the menu

[strong cipher]

thanks

[zenith berry]

You can add in custom WADs, given that they work in vanilla Doom or Boom.

[verbal sluice]

currently getting my asshole torn to shreds on map 9

[jade solstice]

Cringeee

[verbal sluice]

you wot m8

[pearl osprey]

No u

[verbal sluice]

this is fucking aids

[verbal sluice]

YES FUCK YOU I DID IT FUCK YOU IMPS

[wide sinew]

Is Plutonia infamous for having a fuckton of revenants? Because I'm playing Plutonia rn, and it's a goddamn revenant city

[narrow condor]

Yup.

Chaingunners, revenants, pain elementals and archviles

[spice radish]

Map11 can fuck right off

[dapper flint]

Yeah the pit on nightmare is ... fun. I'd just dash for the bfg and go to work

[wide sinew]

I just beat MAP23: TOMBSTONE, and that one was a straight up slaughter map. Seriously, the amount of enemies in that map is insane! It's like NUTS.WAD but with actual level design (and at least like 3 fewer monsters lol). No but seriously, that map is actually crazy

||Btw, just in case you didn't catch it and think I'm dumb, I was being sarcastic when I said it only has at least 3 fewer monsters, its monster count obviously isn't even in the same ballpark as NUTS.WAD||

[spice radish]

Yeah I don’t think computers in the 90’s could even handle the amount of monsters Nuts 1 has

[dapper flint]

Alot of " newer " ones couldn't either

[narrow condor]

My previous PC couldn't handle it.

[azure nimbus]

plutonia map23 has 200+ monsters.
nuts.wad is 10617 monsters.

While plutonia does rely heavily on revs, viles, chaingunners, and to a lesser extent pain elementals. It is known for using a smaller number of higher tier enemies(with perhaps an abundance of viles) to create challenging encounters. tombstone is probably top 2 or 3 largest plutonia maps though so if there was one to be slaughter in plut, might still give that to "slayer"

Maybe your pc can't handle it, but well...yeah. Zeromaster had to set up the tas perfectly because he basically can't react when the frames drop to below single digits when he farms thousands of rev rockets

[red token]

Guys, thoughts about Cheelo's Doom Voxels? I am playing right now Doom 1 Vanilla with Voxels and it's fantastic

[azure nimbus]

passion project that he made, great effort and looks p cool. But I'll be sticking with my boom or mbf/mbf21 compatibility

[fickle adder]

My first time in tombstone it kicked the living shit out of me

more than go2it did lmao

Not a lot of people talk about later levels in plutonia but they are hard as fuck

[fickle adder]

If you play map 32 like a slaughter map it is definitely the slaughter map of plutonia

Whenever I try to do that the archviles just mess up my day

since there is no where to hide in the open field

Very annoying

[red token]

Can you reccomend some doom vanilla wads that aren't much hard but still fun?

[fickle adder]

hmm

Hell revealed 1 is very fun

You can play it on lower skills and then it’s a lot easier

I’ve played a lot of fun classic doom wads but I just can’t remember them rn

[azure nimbus]

rowdy rudy, scythe2, tangerine nightmare are all vanilla compat and reasonble difficulty. Each about plutonia difficulty

[azure nimbus]

yeah I find myself sniping them slowly from a distance at that part. For the rest, there are enough powerups and ammo to go pew pew though

[fickle adder]

Yeah if there wasn’t those assviles the map would be more of a breeze

I’d just snipe them and slaughter the rest

cant really slaughter when your being tossed by 8 archviles

[undone pulsar]

1K Lines Community Project 1, 2 and 3

They're comfy if you play on HMP

[dapper flint]

They're fantastic to play on what difficulty you enjoy*

[undone pulsar]

They asked specifically for something not too hard and those maps are slaughter maps on UV and NM

It's the only reason I commented on it, I'm not someone who looks down on people who don't like suffering through hard maps with no quick saves like me

[dapper flint]

Not slaughter at all. Unless you mean bridgeburners style

Otherwise they are relatively comfortable

[undone pulsar]

Hell, 1k Lines 3 warns you that UV contains slaughter like fights

On the difficulty menu

[dapper flint]

Yeah that's bridges map 29 I believe.. that's because @halcyon willow is a mean human

30s decent spice also .

Other than that I feel it's a great starter type wad. Anyone who's used to playing uv will love it.

[fickle adder]

I like classic doom wads more

It seems all wads made today have that same ribiks type style and are hard as fuck

which isn’t a bad thing but there’s no classic ones anymore

[dapper flint]

Do you mean more of a relaxed tech base tech horror theme?

[halcyon willow]

Whomst

Yes I am mean nasty mapper

[fickle adder]

Let me think of a wad I can’t remember much I haven’t played doom in a while

Sunlust

Or stuff like that

[dapper flint]

No I mean which ones do you prefer

[fickle adder]

I like hell revealed and doom 2 in spain’s style is cool

The plutonia style is cool too

[halcyon willow]

Despite its seeming popularity that style is fairly niche. There have been some notable wads released that are ribbiks inspired but the wider doom mapping community continues to churn out a huge variety of stuff

If you're looking for something "classic" the aforementioned 1k lines trilogy is a good place to start. All vanilla compatible relatively small maps.

[verbal sluice]

yepp, map 11 circle of death can eat my ass

need a break before i jump out a window

[muted haven]

Is it just me or why is it so hard to find the exits of doom 2 maps

[spice radish]

map 11 hunted can eat my ass

[slim willow]

sentenced to using STARTAN2

https://tenor.com/view/sentenced-judge-gavel-life-guilty-gif-12475856

[narrow condor]

This map turns doors into silent teleporters to the inside of the room to prevent doorfighting, but since most rooms are placed in the same orientation as the door (so, normally), the monsters pile up at the door and you can just walk in and out of the room to telefrag everything.

Even cacodemons

[azure nimbus]

monsters tracking you linearly on big maps be goofy

[narrow condor]

I always find it amusing when an anti-cheese device makes things even more cheesable.

[fickle adder]

I’ve played it a million times so I mostly know where to go but even some levels I can’t find the damn exit

Well mainly map 15

That’s the hardest to find exit by far

[verbal sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829283805071540246/1037356667832123522/unknown.png

ssiiiiuuuu

the fucking arachnotron at the exit switch nearly insta killed me before i could flip it

[lavish osprey]

👏

[verbal sluice]

[finite crag]

Word

[fickle adder]

I want online coop and stuff

But I have zdaemon so

[halcyon willow]

You can do online coop with zdaemon

[fickle adder]

Ye

If they made online play it’s be cool

But quake remaster online play is dogshit

1million ping

[dapper flint]

2️⃣9️⃣

[verbal sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-shut-up-bitch-gif-24566267

i'll get to it hold your damn horses

[dapper flint]

You'll learn to love it. Trust me

Also dude my point isn't you'll get to it. My point is all other co op nightmare maps are piss easy. Easily just spawn go again spawn go again. Map 29 doesn't let you really do that. I was cocky going into that map and yeah. Not fun. I'd just suggest doing it first get it out the way. But hey. This was more than 2 years ago so I wasn't the player I am today. Could be remembering it different. Either way I think you're making a mistake not listening to someone who's done what you're doing

[azure nimbus]

I'm terms of nightmare single player pistol start, map22 is probably the hardest. but since you cab respawn in coop, 29 is probably the only one that's as all challenging since you can brute force the others

[dapper flint]

I actually never had any issues with 22 at all. Just need to jump to the different areas grab the keys it's straight forward

The baron red key I believe was a bit spicy

[hexed escarp]

Is it possible to increase the view distance in visual mode in udb

[crimson path]

[pearl osprey]

You just go to preferences and change the render distance

[halcyon willow]

yes. F5 to go into preferences

[hexed escarp]

Ok thx

[atomic dust]

it would be awesome if every enemy in Classic Doom and Doom 64 were gibbable, not just Former Humans and Imps

just imagine seeing a Cacodemon get split like a pizza upon killing it with the rocket launcher

[verbal sluice]

Literally unplayable

[sick mist]

what is unplayable?

[tawny wyvern]

Alright guys, laugh at me all you want but I want to run DOOM and DOOM 2 on a Chromebook. How would I go about doing this? Would like to be able to play some custom WADs as well

[halcyon elm]

i think there's a browser version

[tawny wyvern]

I'd preferably like it on my system, sorta like how GZDoom works on a PC

[pearl osprey]

Doesn't ChromeOS have a Linux VM or something like that? Try your luck with that

If you get it running it should be as simple as sudo apt install gzdoom

[halcyon elm]

there's probably a sourceport for chromebooks

[pearl osprey]

Also you can use dosbox

[teal bramble]

yea thats what i used to use

[hexed escarp]

chromeos is just a linux distro

couldnt you just run a source port with linux support?

[versed wren]

Indeed, you could install basically any source port in ChromeOS.

[hexed escarp]

what wad should i play to try to get better

right now i am part way through a ton of wads all single segment with saves on hmp, including doom 2 (on map26) plutonia (map06) eviternity (map14) scythe (map07) and sigil (map05)

i really want to get good enough to play some harder wads like scythe 2 or sunlust and im wondering if i should focus on a singular wad and/or move to UV and/or switch to pistol starting

thoughts?

[craggy bone]

I'd definitely focus on playing wads through to the end. Those megawads will only really push you hard enough to force you to improve in their latter halves.

[hexed escarp]

ok

[craggy bone]

Pistol starting also helps a lot with learning resource management

[hexed escarp]

huh

one thing that i find is that when im doing single segment, i become extremely obsessive about resource management

[craggy bone]

Also, obligatory https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107015-wad-progression-for-skill-improvement/

[hexed escarp]

because im worried about having enough stuff for the next map

[slim willow]

I'd say play whatever you try and feel comfortable with to the end (as Toastd said). Then as you keep feeling more comfortable with harder challenges keep pushing yourself.

A friend also sent me the list Toastd just posted that I was gonna post so I guess I'm slow lol.

[craggy bone]

Going into a map with a power weapon and armour from the previous one can really blunt a lot of fights

[hexed escarp]

ooh i was wondering if something like this existed

[craggy bone]

Maps are pretty much always balanced around beating them from pistol start, since that's how you playtest

[hexed escarp]

should i start the wads over pistol starting or just continue from where i am currently

also should i move to UV or continue on with HMP

[slim willow]

If you think you would get better doing it

I feel like there's a zone around your comfort zone. A zone that's intimidating but doable. UV on some normal wads if you are used to HMP would be that zone I think.

Then there's the zone outside of that zone you need to conquer the second zone to get to. Like, don't go "I am doing UV now!" and boot up fucking Sunder.

[craggy bone]

Yeah, depends on the wad. UV for the ones you listed should be doable if challenging.