classic-doom

[finite crag]

congrats now on to doom 2 :p

[hexed escarp]

what is the difference between doom builder 2 and ultimate doom builder

[pearl osprey]

UDB is just a newer fork of doom builder

It started as a project called Doom Builder, that got forked and updated to Doom Builder 2, then GZDoom Builder after that, and finally we get Ultimate Doom Builder

so basically UDB is kind of Doom Builder 4 and GZDB is Doom Builder 3

[hexed escarp]

ah ok

in crispy is it possible to invert the sprint key like in woof or prboom/dsda?

[zenith berry]

I remember installing the original Doom Builder, and the installer appeared to restart my computer with no confirmation.

[hexed escarp]

lol

[vale gyro]

l o l

[narrow condor]

I'm playing 50 Shades of Graytall and, well, I expected it to escalate from simple fights to complex fights but instead the maps got massively bigger.

And the wad's gimmick limitation is becoming an eyesore with such large maps.

[regal pike]

oh joy…but i beat it m2 and did m3 and m4 tonight—m3 definitely my favorite so far

despite the frustration m1 was actually kind of cool

[royal heron]

Until I got good, E4 wasn't enjoyable for me at all

But after spending some time with its maps, I definitely warmed up to them

It takes time

My advice for E4M1 is to not rush it, and take your time

After all, there's only 9 health bonuses as healing in the level

So you have to be careful

[regal pike]

definitely took some grinding

but a really interesting and cool level

[trail ibex]

what are some good map wads

[molten schooner]

Hello

[limber mirage]

HURT is a good one I’ve seen recently

[wicked iris]

They're not doom hard, they're fanmade mod hard. Don't flow well compared to the rest

The maps

Not the episodes

I suck at speaking brub

[opal falcon]

Thy Flesh Consumed is a pain.

I'm almost done, though.

Once I finish replaying my childhood…

https://tenor.com/view/im-coming-for-you-randy-marsh-sharon-marsh-shelly-marsh-south-park-gif-22282994

[trail ibex]

did that project brutality map ever get finished

[finite crag]

Jeez ultra Violence is too hard and I've lowered it back down to hurt me plenty

Reading people say doom 1 Ultra Violence is easy just makes me feel bad

[slim willow]

its all about practice. you got this.

[finite crag]

Also what is a WAD

I keep thinking wads are the keyboard movement controls

[slim willow]

a wad is the file format doom's data comes in. it stands for "wheres all the data?

so all the graphics, sounds, and music are inside the wad

even the modern console versions use the .wad format

you can use software like the slade 3 editor to open them up and look inside if you want. you can even make your own if you know what you are doing

[vale gyro]

I feel like I should mention this. IWADs are used for the base game (like doom.wad, doom1.wad, doom2.wad etc.) And PWADs are the maps people make

They both use the same .wad format

[royal sparrow]

How do I use console commands in Doom 2?

[pearl osprey]

If you are using GZDoom click the ~ key to open up the console

Commands for it can be found on the doomwiki

In other source ports you usually use cheat codes since many of them lack a console

[royal sparrow]

i don't know how to use idclip;-;

[pearl osprey]

In GZDoom write "noclip" instead of idclip in the console

In other source ports just hit the keys IDCLIP when unpaused

[finite crag]

I'm not a big fan of m3 and m4, I think m6 is really good tho

and the others are also alright

[finite crag]

you use a mouse right? haha

Yes

I'm not sure if this is common knowledge around new players, but having always run on is probably a thing you should do by default

there's really no need to just "walk" in os doom

Oh?

Will try

what port are you using? The steam version?

Steam

Especially if you die

And get hit with starting with only a pistol

Some maps are supremely hard

Don't know much about that port but I'm sure there's an always run setting, better turn it on

There is

and why not save between levels or smth? so you can prevent needing to pistol start

I do

Any other advice would be great

I think after this it just comes down to practice

doom is a pretty simple game besides having always run on there aren't many gameplay tweaks

I struggle when a room is full of enemies

Like when you get a key sometimes in uv

if they're hitscanners it's best to not go into the room but do door peaking instead

And the room has like 30 enemies

if they're mostly projectile monsters you should try to get them to infight by circling around them

It's crazy

having always run on will probably help with them -> can run to cover quicker

Yeah I noticed the demons will fight each other

in general it's always best to take the hitscanners out first (shotgun guy, pistol guy)

and then it depends usually I get lost souls after that

and then the rest of the monster cast

I hate

The pink pig demons

And their invisible cousins. They're the toughest

it's a good idea when you're in a room full of enemy demons to kill weaker demons to create some space so you can manoevre around more

[finite crag]

haha that's because in doom 1 you don't have a ssg yet, gotta kill them with 3 shotgun blasts

Thanks man

[royal sparrow]

thank you brother.

[vale gyro]

Yea, keep this in mind with Tricks and Traps in Doom 2. One room you’ll need infighting

[vale gyro]

I would turn it on

But it fucks with my muscle memory

[finite crag]

Just take some time to adjust to it, after a day of playing with it on, your muscle memory will probably be gone

you could unbind shift completely if you dont want muscle memory to be a problem (if you can)

[vale gyro]

nah

I’ll keep it how it is

Plus, I prefer to be nearly consistent with controls

[tired dawn]

guys how do i access a modded level?

evrytime i play a mod it's just the base levels

[azure nimbus]

Do you know for sure that the mod is active?

[tired dawn]

the ui changes

[azure nimbus]

What mod are you trying to run

[tired dawn]

i've tried: arl, doom 3 in doom 1993, brutal doom, and merciful extermination

[finite crag]

honestly can you guys still access the .WAD files if you buy it on steam? Might be worth just downloading a source port

[tired dawn]

one by one

[tired dawn]

use gzdoom

[azure nimbus]

yes. right click the game on steam. manage->browse local-> and you'll find doom2.wad in there(or doom.wad for doom1)

[tired dawn]

all of them don't work

[finite crag]

you use GZdoom?

[tired dawn]

yes

[finite crag]

I just click and drag the files I want into the .exe

or if I load a lot of wads I use ZDL

[azure nimbus]

I think you're just downloading gameplay mods

[finite crag]

what modpack are you having trouble running?

[azure nimbus]

These aren't level mods

[azure nimbus]

#classic-doom message

[finite crag]

ah

well yeah those are gameplay mods not mappacks

[tired dawn]

im sure merciful extermination is a level mod as well

oh wait, and augzen

[finite crag]

augzen is def a level pack

[azure nimbus]

"-New monster behaviour and attacks
-Glory kills!
-Doom Eternal style chainsaw
-Two mods for every main weapon (WIP!!!)
-Flame Belch
-Shoulder mounted grenade launcher
-DOOM 64 Support
-Some new enemy varieties
-One liner system!
-Meathook! Meathook!!!
-Did we mention the meathook yet?"

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=73737

[vivid vine]

Sounds like an inferior MetaDoom

[tired dawn]

yea

but every mod i use no matter what is is just load me into the original lbase doom level

[finite crag]

are you sure you're loading both the files?

you need to select the augzen file as well

[tired dawn]

what both?

[azure nimbus]

If you aren't getting new levels on augzen, it could be because you downloded the soundchange mod for the pistol instead? But maybe try on a different port, woof, dsda, or just a newer version of gz? install again?

Augzen doesn't change the pistol sound by default so they released a pistol sound mod. I suspect that you have thatinstalled instead

[tired dawn]

nah

[finite crag]

like you're actually clicking and dragging the augzen file as well into gzdoom

and not just your mod

[tired dawn]

yes

[tired dawn]

that

[finite crag]

weird

maybe try loading it with ZDL

[tired dawn]

wait? am i supposed to click the added episode?

[azure nimbus]

try that

[tired dawn]

is that where you access the new levels?

coz there's 5 episodes now

so is that the case?

[azure nimbus]

I have no idea what the "episodes" I went to idgames archive, downloaded the thing, and it opens to the augar title screen and I see map01 when I click new game. I tested in woof and gz. but if it works it works

[tired dawn]

i mean the "knife deep in the dead' thing

[royal heron]

It might be for Doom 2 and not Ultimate Doom, jsyk

[azure nimbus]

make sure that you have doom2 loaded, not doom1

for the vast majority of doom level wads, they are for doom2. The only modern exceptions that I can think of are deathless by jimmy paddock, sigil by Romero, No End in Sight, and Double Impact. oh rekkr too

[finite crag]

ya aug zen is a d2 wad

[worn thistle]

Hey i got a question, this isn't really related to Doom but more a mod for doom. It's called obsidian level generator. Does that level generator legitimately pump out infinitely random levels? Is there a chance to run into levels I've already played?

Im wanting to do doom Roguelike thing and im gonna generate a new level everytime i die

[vast reef]

the chance for running into a level you've already played is insanely low based on my estimates from how the algorithm works

of course, chances will go up with a smaller level and go down with a bigger one

[azure nimbus]

the odds of the same hand of five cards is next to zero so I wouldn't worry about that too much

[finite crag]

@finite crag holy.fucking.shit.

I turned on always run and...I'm absolutely beasting Episode 1 on Ultra Violence.

Maps that were really hard before are butter now.

[lyric moth]

im gonna atempt speedrunning og doom on nightmare

[dapper flint]

Nightmare in general is speed running

[lyric moth]

true

[sterile jackal]

[smoky lion]

[lyric moth]

[worn thistle]

Honestly, either way doesn't matter

If theres repeated levels, then its pretty much a like the other rogue likes i played. If not, just means i gotta stay on my toes

[royal heron]

You can't attempt it because speedrunning genuienly is the only method for nightmare

Literal manifestation of "gotta go fast"

[vivid vine]

Life is trying to save you

MetaDoom

GMOTA

Divine Frequency demo

[vast reef]

👍

i wish there was a way to connect obsidian to a source port so it generates a new wad for you to play whenever you die

there's probably a way for gzdoom, but idk where to find it on the zdoom wiki

[finite crag]

Haha yeah man makes it a lot easier to manoevre around haha

You'll be ready for harder wads then

[grave flower]

This is going to sound like a totally insane question, but I swear I'm being serious

Is there a way to SR40 in GZDoomVR using Valve Index controllers?

If I can figure out how to SR40 using index controllers, or change my control scheme to SR40 in it, I can 100% UVMax Sunlust in VR

[tired dawn]

guys how tf do you add source ports in zdl?

[ocean token]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-guy-doom-nerd-doom-gif-15382398

[finite crag]

Theres a yt tutorial somewhere

https://youtu.be/j5VFUhoVEZg here

[azure nimbus]

in general settings, on the left. least for zdl 3-1.1

[tired dawn]

thanks

[finite crag]

Anyone Have Any Tips For DOOM 1 Nightmare?

[azure nimbus]

have your route practiced beforehand. most levels are doable, but a select few are stupidly hard
so know that going in

[finite crag]

TY. I Have E1M1 Down But The Rest I Don't Have A Route Yet

[sly oasis]

Hey, all; Doom-adjacent: has anyone played Prodeus?

[molten iron]

Yep its pretty good

[sly oasis]

Goddamn, is it fun, and beautiful.

Just so exciting to see these Boomer Shooters thanks for Doom.

[grave flower]

Doom in VR has been an insanely fun evolution of the genre

It's literally the best VR FPS right now

[sly oasis]

I should try it some time, I guess; don't have VR gear, though.

[outer verge]

first time actually playing classic doom and it seems i like it more then the newer games

is the quake engine built off doom classic or the other way

[finite crag]

Quake came Out 3 Years After DOOM

[narrow condor]

CC1's M32 is quite terrible.

I could immediately tell who made it: Gene Bird. His mediocre Blind Alley series of maps were used to fill blank spots in CC1 and CC2.

His style is easily cheesable fights (eg awkward monster combinations that lends to infighting too easily, often behind doors so you can just open and close the door repeatedly until the fight is over), outdated room design, and a lot of shotgun shells sprinkled around. It's impossible to run out of ammo by just how many boxes of shells he gives you in every room.

His maps were released between 2002 and 2004 but they would fit better in 1995-1996.

Still, I admit I like how the QA is a crapshoot in CC1 and CC2. The clumsy maps serve as palate cleansers against magnum opus fatigue.

[grave flower]

CC1, I'll be honest, I only played it for Citadel

I remember literally nothing else about that pack besides a lot of mediocrity and then that monster

[narrow condor]

Some of the maps are quite nice. I'm looking forward to M29 myself.

[grave flower]

(that's Citadel)

[narrow condor]

Yeah. I thought you were talking about the crappy M32 at first, because it's called 'The Citadel'.

[grave flower]

oh yeah no

Forgot that existed lol

[narrow condor]

That's for the best. :-P

[grave flower]

Citadel At the Edge of Eternity is a well-designed pile of cruelty

I should play it again, or watch Dean of Doom on it lol

[narrow condor]

I'm playing all four Community Chests at the same time, with the map order interwoven like CC1 M1, CC2 M1, CC3 M1, CC4 M1, CC1 M2, CC2 M2 and so on.

I'm also looking forward to CC2 M24 (The Mucus Flow).

[azure nimbus]

The only thing better than the citadel at the edge of eternity is The Citadel by Sandy

[grave flower]

Oh yeah, Mucus Flow is legit

[fallow lotus]

UNF

[twin aurora]

VFR?

[grave flower]

No, classic doom in VR

[twin aurora]

Oh ok

[grave flower]

GZDoomVR

[twin aurora]

Because vfr is ass

[grave flower]

yep, but sunlust in VR is great

especially with voxel monsters

(he's still working on doom 2 voxel monsters tho)

[twin aurora]

I don't have a PC so I can't lmao

[grave flower]

rip

[trail ibex]

What’s your guys opinion on using savestates to beat a level

I usually only save once at the start and beat the whole level deathless

But sometimes it can be stressful, especially on really hard maps

[twin aurora]

I think it's fine

[azure nimbus]

comes up a lot and everyone agrees that saving is fine, especially for practice. It's always cool to beat a map single segment, but if you want to move on, that's great too

[halcyon willow]

Whenever someone says that saving is bad I ask for their deathless run of sunder map 16

[limber mirage]

The best way to play is however you want

Saves no saves mods no mods

As long as you are having fun that’s all that matters

[narrow condor]

Well said.

My take is that saving is there for you to use it. If you want to limit its use or forgo it altogether, that's up to you, perhaps as a self-imposed limitation/challenge.

[dapper flint]

Someone who says saving is bad has never tried to master a map

[grave flower]

My personal philosophy is, saves outside of fights to learn the fights if I'm going for a UVMax demo, or saves whenever if the wad's totally unfair

If you're not going for a demo run it doesn't matter lol

[grave flower]

I am making a megawad that will, ultimately, be relatively fair, even on UV-difficulty. It will be a massive Sunder-style adventure, but with slightly less brutal slaughter gameplay.

However, in exchange for all this fairness, I have decided to make one map just be an absolutely fucking vile troll level that just shits in the doom slayer's mouth repeatedly until he wants to tear his hair out and ragequit. Instant deaths, bullshit traps, inescapable pits, soft locks, a level that looks like a heaven-themed garden level until you hit the switch to reveal it's actually the Gate of Illusion straight out of La Mulana.

If I was going to have one absolute total dick of a level in my 32-map wad, what's the best map slot for it?

(Assuming I already have the secret levels earmarked for plot-relevant secrets)

[narrow condor]

That kind of map is almost always reserved for M32. Some put particularly egregious maps to M33 and beyond (ie only accessible by directly warping into it).

Deviating too much from the general vibe of the wad in regular maps is somewhat frowned upon after all. If the maps increase in difficulty steadily, I'd put it on M29 if there's a grand finale on M30.

[finite crag]

I always save on big sunder-esque maps, after every major fight basically

But thats mostly because they're so long

[narrow condor]

Yeah, there's also the factor of tedium besides difficulty. The fights may not be particularly difficult but a time-consuming slog instead.

I think saving is even more justified then.

[finite crag]

If a map is short but very difficult I probably wont save

[azure nimbus]

try microslaughter community project. I think you'll use some saves, at least at first for map 14

[finite crag]

Yeah Ive heard about that map, havent gotten to the mappack tho. I guess theres also dimensions

Hardest Ive finished is probably.... Sod map 32? Or hr map 24 I suppose

[azure nimbus]

mscp14 has one of the hardest individual fights that I've ever played

[finite crag]

Ive seen the decino playthrough

[dapper flint]

That's a fun one

[rapid pulsar]

id software and bethesda should remake doom 1 and 2 in the quality of doom 2016 and eternal
it would be cool

[finite crag]

I'm thinking about getting the older doom games

Just for fun

[rapid pulsar]

you should use gzdoom if you do
its a really good source port

[finite crag]

Thanks

[rapid pulsar]

i could help you set it up if you want

[finite crag]

Depends if you want more of an os feel Id go with dsdadoom

If u want freelook n such u should def go gzdoom

[vale gyro]

I would say to with Chocolate Doom for vanilla. Crispy Doom for limit removing. Woof if you want the features of Crispy but want to play more than just limit removing PWADs. Or GZDoom if you want mods.

[finite crag]

I wouldnt use chocolate at all honestly, rather just go with crispy as closest to vanilla

[vale gyro]

As a person who uses crispy as my go to port, I can say that not everyone needs the features in it, if someone wants to play pretty much pure vanilla without using DOSBOX, chocolate is a good choice

If the person wants the extra features of Crispy, then that’s the better option

[finite crag]

Started EP 2 on UV

Jfc the level containment area is only tough because of lack of ammo

I hear people talking about salvaging for ammo in Doom Eternal but this is definitely a thing in og doom

Level has zero dudes with guns therefore no ammo

Interesting game design lesson to the game

And really makes you appreciate the gun guys

It's much easier if you start it from m1 and save as much shotgun ammo as possible

[finite crag]

Does chocolate even support widescreen or higher fps?

[finite crag]

Holy shit containment area is a fucking level

Almost done

[atomic dust]

fucking level lmao

is Sigil worth playing?

[finite crag]

What an incredible level damn.

The amount of secrets and the exploration. Wow.

[finite crag]

I still think e1m3 is the best secret level

What's the best looking og doom

I see some versions with really great lighting and some with blood splatter

Seems ultimate doom has the blood splatter

[finite crag]

What do you mean, best looking map?

No improvement to the graphics overall

To the original doom

So a mod?

I dont know many graphic mods tbh

Didn't say anything about a mod. Are the graphics the same across every version of Doom 1?

https://youtu.be/kifGB3Fx3UM

This has blood splatter

Is it default?

[finite crag]

Nah thats just a port thing that you can enable

The blood splatter I mean

Even on doom 93?

Seems steam took down ultimate doom and final doom

[finite crag]

I think thats on zdoom or gzdoom if you load doom 1 in that port you can enable those blood splatters

[dapper flint]

Absolutely

[vale gyro]

No

Reason: It’s the vanilla engine ported to windows systems

Thats the entire point of chocolate doom

[finite crag]

I think those are things people who want to enjoy vanilla would like

Biggest gripe I have with playing og doom 3 right now is that it doesnt support widescreen or higher fps

[vale gyro]

The higher FPS is only better to look at

The widescreen is why I use crispy (along with the limit removing stuff and some other changes)

I was just saying

That Chocolate Doom is better for people who want pure vanilla

I don’t use it as I like the features of Crispy

But it’s a choice

Also, I kinda hate the smoothness of uncapped frame rate on doom

Even then, the game still updates only 35 times a second

I do prefer the high res rendering though

But, I also like the pixels of OG doom

I only use high res so I can see

[azure nimbus]

Yes. Especially if you are new to custom maps

[azure nimbus]

"doom1993" is ultimate doom. Final doom is included in both doom1 and doom2 on steam

[finite crag]

Oh thanks

What exactly are ultimate and final doom

[azure nimbus]

Ultimate Doom was the version of doom1 sold in stores in 1995. Doom1 used to be purchaseable online only. It was rereleased in stores with the new episode as Ult doom. Final Doom is The Plutonia Experiment and TNT Revolution. Both are made by non-ID members but ID bought the 32 lvl mapsets as standalone games with doom2's bestiary and weapons. You can find ult doom from base game "doom 1993" on steam and both halves of final doom from the addons section of either game

[finite crag]

Doom 1 used to be purchasable online only?

You mean the original doom that came out didn't out boxed at brick and mortar?

[azure nimbus]

it wasn't sold in stores. You had to call up a number and they'd deliver a floppy

[finite crag]

Wow.

I'd love to watch a documentary on the history of this game

[azure nimbus]

Both doom1 and doom2 are very slightly changed on the steam version. If you want to spend the 5 min on it, you can right click the steam games -> manage -> browse local files -> and take the doom.wad, doom2.wad, plutonia.wad, tnt.wad from your doom1 and doom2 games. Run it in a port like woof or dsda for a more authentic version

[finite crag]

Amazing they didn't allow it in stores accused it of being satanic when it's about killing demons

[finite crag]

I have no idea what this means. How is the steam version different

[azure nimbus]

Some sprites are changed. The original medikits have red crosses on them. Steam version changes them to green. The secret levels of doom2 have nazi imagery (in reference to ID's wolfenstein 3D) but on steam, the swastikas are replaced with K's for keen. there is a Nine Inch Nails secret in doom1 that just doesn't exist on steam but should. Also, steam has auto sr50. sr50 is the fastest normal way to travel and usually is done in a different way

[finite crag]

Ah so it's censored

Screw censorship. Can I carry my save

[azure nimbus]

steam is somewhat more difficult to mod, relatively unstable(crashes), takes forever to menu, doesn't have all the cheats(like idclip), and doesn't have as much power as modern ports

[finite crag]

What's woof and dsda

[azure nimbus]

Open source free engines you can download that will play doom(they might play other games too but idk). They more closely replicated the OG game and provide more features and moddability if you are into that type of thing. So it is both more authentic, runs better, and has more freedom/features. I like the steam version as an entrypoint, but there are just better engines to use. Since these are free and very easy to run, there isn't much reason outside of stem/xb1 achievements not to use them

oh and you get to skip the annoying bethesda logos

[finite crag]

Can I carry my save

I'll look into them

[azure nimbus]

I doubt it.

It might be possible on some ports but I'd be surprised. Every level can be beaten pistol start, but if you want to finish your continuous playthrough first, that's understandable

[finite crag]

Any way to play quake

I bought quake on steam and it gives me an error. I fixed it and the thing has graphic glitches

[azure nimbus]

there are quake ports like quakespasm, but I've never used them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_dw7znnyn0 dwars made a video on them

[finite crag]

No I'd want to finish e2 and then continue on ep 3 on the other ports

Thanks I'll look into it

Bless you

Fuck slowmode. This is stupid.

[azure nimbus]

It isn't necessary to use, but I find it very helpful to use a doom launcher as well. I like to use ZDL 3-1.1 so I don't need to use weird command prompt stuff to run my game. It keeps all my mods and engines organized.

[zenith berry]

The changes are only present on Bethesda’s official source port, luckily. The original IWAD files with all the original sprites remain intact, which is used for the DOS version included.

That being said, it’s possible to load the original IWADs in the re-release source port, that way you can play Doom and Doom II there with original sprites and even splash screens.

[azure nimbus]

yeah I was saying how to use steam's files to get the og game

[hexed escarp]

is the quake rerelease any good?

[azure nimbus]

I thought it was good playing through, especially with the extra episodes added in but I never played way back when in dos

[dapper flint]

It's faithful to the original with added content. It's generally considered the best version

[hexed escarp]

ok

for a first playthrough should i use it or a source port

[dapper flint]

Source port isn't needed

[hexed escarp]

ok

and for quake 2 would it be fine to play the rtx version first playthrough?

i played the first level and it was pretty cool

[dapper flint]

Yes and I believe it's also full screen thank god

[hexed escarp]

yeah i tried playing normal quake 2 and that was the part that bugged me

[azure nimbus]

oh yeah I forgot. nightmare is changed. I'm og quake, nightmare is essentially doom's -fast parameter. In The steam version, it caps your max regular health(without a 100 health pickup) at 50. It seems to be more popular

[rapid pulsar]

I WAS FUCKING WITH DEHACKED A WHILE BACK AND TRIED TO MAKE THE CHAINGUNNER SHOOT PLASMA BOLTS
I NEVER FIGURED OUT HOW TO RUN IT UNTIL NOW AND IT TURNS OUT I CREATED A FUCKING NIGHTMARE
it DOESNT stop firing at all once it sees you, and fires plasma bolts at a CONCERNING rate

its terrifying as hell

[hexed escarp]

im not going to play nightmare so its fine lol

[broken elk]

can someone send me a screenshot of the files in the ultimate doom folder just in that folder where the .bat files are

[azure nimbus]

doom player discovers the arachnotron

[broken elk]

and if youre gonna send it dm me of course

[pearl osprey]

Aren't batch files supposed to be created by the user or am I missing something

[bold sparrow]

i want to play brutal doom in multiplayer with my friend but they don't want to put money in doom but we can at least play freedoom with brutal doom but i don't know how to play in multiplayer so if anyone know how to do it, i would like to know thx

[pearl osprey]

Just download Zandronum (multiplayer doom source port) and join a server that has brutal doom enabled

Zandronum will work with both Freedoom and Doom

[bold sparrow]

ok thx

can i own my own server ?

[pearl osprey]

Yes, you can host one on your pc (but that requires networking knowledge and port forwarding) or you can get one for free from "The sentinels playground" (search on google)

[bold sparrow]

wait it doesn't work with gzdoom, only zdoom ?

[small hazel]

i started playing zandronum again recently: my only gripe is that there isnt enough deathmatch and lots of mods i dont understand how to play :D

[pearl osprey]

Idk about ZDoom but both Zandronum and GZDoom run brutal

[rapid pulsar]

no its different than that, it NEVER stops firing, not even after youre out of sight, and it fires them at a super fast rate

its worse than the arachnotron

[bold sparrow]

second question, freedoom is also on android so is it crossplatform with pc with zandronum

[pearl osprey]

No, Freedoom for android runs GZDoom only (an ancient old version of GZDoom even)

[bold sparrow]

OK

[pearl osprey]

You can buy Delta Touch for doom if you want to play multiplayer doom on andoird, if you can't afford it contact the developers they will give you it for free

[broken elk]

can someone send me a screenshot of the files in the ultimate doom folder just in that folder where the .bat files are
and if youre gonna send it dm me of course

[pearl osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/881879672365940816/1016458758236426290/unknown.png

These?

[broken elk]

thanks

yeah i have all of those

but when i pen it up (no bethesda port ) it opens like 1 or 2 black windows and does nothing and the windows disappear

[pearl osprey]

Like you wanna try doom in dosbox?

Try manually installing dosbox and running doom in it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac-Knv04sPg

For me I can launch the dosbox version from steam AND standalone dosbox

[broken elk]

i always use dosbox

it broke after i did some stuff

[pearl osprey]

If you messed with doom files try "Verify game files" in steam

[broken elk]

k

thanks

wow that worked thanks alot dude 👍

[finite crag]

hi

[broken elk]

ok so vull, i thought that the reason it wouldnt open up was the files from some other stuff in there, but its not that.
The problem is that ALL of the .WAD files now open up in gzdoom because i did "open with" and forgot the turn off for all .WAD files
and now i cant reverse it.... epic

[pearl osprey]

Find any wad file, right click it and choose properties, Then under the "opens with" section you can change the program

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1013572255592230973/1016625070388543558/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1013572255592230973/1016625230527074304/unknown.png

[broken elk]

thank god (you)

wait

ok good it works

[dawn valley]

https://youtu.be/n1BOpMpW0nc

cheello is a blessing to this community my god

[azure nimbus]

wtf is that hud

[narrow condor]

I love how the face is randomly shoved elsewhere.

[dawn valley]

edited weapons of saturn HUD i pair up with smooth doom

[vast reef]

hi og quake

[slim willow]

i want both. fast monsters and half health.

I know Nightdive gave Doom 64 a -fast paramater. I wonder if Quake has on too.

[finite crag]

Is uv-fast a lot harder? Might give doom 2 a playthrough with -fast

[azure nimbus]

definitely harder but it isn't a joke like nightmare. It's far more doable. -fast isn't possible for every wad, but for sure is for d2

[finite crag]

Yeah Im thinking about going through some classics first on fast to see how it goes

Probably doom 2 first and plutonia after, pretty sure pl will be pretty tough with all the chaingunners

I'm also not sure if you can still juke a rev ball/pinky bite on uv fast

[azure nimbus]

rev balls travel the same speed. Revs only attack more frequently. Their attacks are the same. You can juke a pinky bite but it's harder.

[finite crag]

I meant juke the punch

If u time the punch wrong u get a rev ball in ur face

[azure nimbus]

oh it's doable but harder. revs roll a number up to 15 to decide how many steps before attacking after a pain. if wake them up with damage or are on fast, it'll be 0 so you need to be in their face immediately

[finite crag]

Dang gonna be an adjustment then

[fickle adder]

if nightmare had fast revenant projectiles

death

n

[finite crag]

heya

I have doom 1 and 2 unity versions basically the steam versions

someone want to play a coop

[prime lava]

can't do online multiplayer on unity

[dapper flint]

You can

With playstation anyways

[prime lava]

oh didn't know that actually, that's interesting

though he's on steam so rip

[dapper flint]

It's shit though. Called shareplay always laggy

[spark furnace]

How does one get a mp game going these days? Been wanting to do some coop with someone

[azure nimbus]

zandronum, odemex

[grave flower]

My first map is very, very slowly happening \o/

Oh, right, can't paste links or pictures to share progress D:

[pearl osprey]

You can in #classic-doom-maps-mods

which also happens to be the channel where you talk about mapping and modding

[grave flower]

Oh ok

[atomic dust]

do you guys ever feel bored while playing original Doom maps?

[narrow condor]

Yes, because modern wads spoilt me rotten.

[sullen spruce]

Resolution fix for unity/console ports when?

[prime lava]

damn, he's still at it

[finite crag]

Absolutely I always play classic doom in waves

Ill play it for a month and then quit for like 4 months

But I dont do sp games in general

[azure nimbus]

Three months ago, you suggested Fractured Worlds. As of yesterday, I've maxed all of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdMUKhlh_Q4&list=PL6z3JwchtJUEHeZ5NXIloQyg60sNfh1VZ. It's an exceptional set

[dapper flint]

@azure nimbus I'm proud of you brother. You're an amazing doom player

[finite crag]

what do you guys think about my doom 2 modlist? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZuvtSZcxsw

[vivid vine]

Thats a doom 1 level

[azure nimbus]

looks pretty gross tbh

[dapper flint]

Nice work however I don't like it

I'm going to go buy a 1976 firebird put a aftermarket exhaust on make it sound like a fart before I take a shit on the hood ( classic doom mods )

[limpid zinc]

I can't believe I didn't think to try D4V with prboom-plus-rt until now. It looks fucking amazing.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/770838419382337567/1017176248285405225/unknown.png

[slim willow]

"Let people enjoy the things they like!!" - 🤓

[hexed escarp]

holy crap i need to try that

[dapper flint]

Your mom being wise as always. Knock on the door though next time son

[grave flower]

I just tried it - got map01 and map02 done and it was fun! (Though fuck that cybie hallway)

Good stuff

[azure nimbus]

saveless? That fast?

[limber mirage]

This is awesome. Thanks

[narrow condor]

Okay, I came across the infamous 'archvile protected by a wall of mancubi' fight.

It's difficult if you try to kill the archvile but turns out there's an obvious and simple solution.

You get a lot of freedom of movement once you get a mancubus to hit the archvile (repeat if the mancubus dies, it gets resurrected anyway). After that, it's only a matter of strafing around without shooting until either the archvile kills itself from splash damage or the mancubi friendly fire it to death.

The tragic truth of a lot of Doom fights being 'circlestrafe to win'.

But I wouldn't have it any other way. :-)

[narrow condor]

Hm, CC3 M32 feels much more dated than CC2 M32.

It feels clumsy and amateurish almost.

[hexed escarp]

Is DeHackEd pronounced dee-hakd or dee-hak-ed

The only reason I would think that it is the second one is the way it is capitalized

[limber mirage]

De hacked

[small hazel]

thats why classic doom deathmatch is so fun, you have to out circlestrafe the circlestrafe :D

[grave flower]

You say "that fast", but I probably grinded nearly 200 attempts and a few hours in one specific bowling alley on top of that

Yes, but it killed my motivation to uvmax the rest, basically at my tolerance limit for pain :<

[azure nimbus]

yeah map02 is a meanie. But so is map03, and map04, and especially map05, and map06, and map31, and especially map32

[grave flower]

Yeahhhh... I've got my own maps to make, no sadism grind for me

[azure nimbus]

How'd you do the two-tiered vertical fight on map02? I cheesed it. I hit in the purple switch area

Feel free to visit the rest, even if you don't do it single segment

[grave flower]

Teleporter fight, I hit the button, shot 7 rockets into the revs while circling clockwise, that let cybie infight, circled again to finish revs, SSGed pinkies for a bit and then plasma focused viles

In my winning run I only had to kill one myself

I skipped around and played 32, which was, in Gazebo tradition, absurdly detailed, truly beautiful and had some just cruel fights lol

Revenant + vile cold storage room stumped me for a while, I'm bad at claustrophobic fights

By my winning run's point I was so good at the purple fight and the blue cybie + Rev + vile + hellknight fight i was going into it with well beyond max rocket count

But it was so hard to make space lol

Holy shit you got so close to being checkmated in purple fight, had a heart attack watching you plasma out

Also, I did purple first for the mega, your strat of, "but what if we just left mid fight?" Is brilliant

If map03 is even harder, yeah, fuck that- I'll play casually with saves

[azure nimbus]

map03 has more consistently hard fights instead of spikes and damaging floor everywhere. 1,4,6,31 are the easiest

[tired dawn]

bro i was playing with drlax monster pack and obsidian level gen and got a map that has a cyberdemon mk 2 and nightmare cyberdemon in the spawn area💀

i had no choice but to play hide and seek with the two

and there's a fucking baron too

i might be able to beat it tho

beat it

oh god now the next map is full of arcviles, mancubus, anacrotrons, and spider mastermind

[azure nimbus]

me when I'm playing randomly generated levels with gameplay mods and it's unbalanced

[tired dawn]

the thing is all of that enemies are set to scarce

so they are all rare enemies

[limpid zinc]

I say it both ways lol, De-hacked sounds like it should be right but the capitalization also throws me off

[azure nimbus]

it's deh acked

[finite crag]

How does fractured worlds map 32 compare to sunder maps? @azure nimbus

[grave flower]

It's about as hard and just as beautiful, but much shorter with a greater emphasis on setpiece fights

If you've beat map20, imagine the final arena, but as a whole-ass map

[finite crag]

Havent gotten to that one yet

I guess comparable to sunder map 31 then?

[grave flower]

Yeah, that's probably the second-closest

Tons of crazy micro-geometry that any sane human would've taken weeks to intricately design, that he just shits out effortlessly lol

[finite crag]

Yeah gazebo is a nut, one of my fav mappers

[azure nimbus]

I'm told that early sunder is less hard by a lot. idk about late sunder. But frankly, it was was one of the least "fair" maps in the set -- there are lots of good fights, but I do warn against the first and last

[finite crag]

Played through early sunder and a bit of late sunder

Definitely agree that early sunder is a looooot easier

Still tough by just regular wad standards

But compared to later sunder it's easy

[azure nimbus]

this is what I wrote in my text file for the demo:
suppose huge credit to Vile for actually doing this fast. But I still think it's worth posting with how insanely lucky I got in the end. idk how I survived that rocket.
The first fight is awful. The last fight is also pretty rng heavy. The middle has lots of stuff that is very easy and some that is extremely exacting. Like the rev+cyber section with the falling floor -- you need to be almost perfect to survive.
But the section just after is camping. Still took a while to test out what that best strategy was. I can defend a lot in this map, but the first and last fight(especially first) are nightmares. The first fight accounted for maybe 100 deaths. This was attempt 226. It's also possible to fall off before and after the shhh fight if you make a mistake and go the wrong way. It isn't hard platforming or even platforming but I'd appreciate a railing lol.

[finite crag]

How difficult would u rate on /10

[azure nimbus]

This is in the top 3 hardest levels that I've played. All 3 of those are in FW. It's not quite as bad as map05 perhaps, but well....map05 was not maxed by anyone until a month ago

But, ammo is plentiful and so is health -- but you usually can't refill until after the fight.

Mostly just salty about the first and last rooms

[finite crag]

https://youtu.be/fuIAhfYhGzc more of the mod showcase

[grave flower]

Was the first fight the double vile + hk baron blob + mini cybers in map32?

[azure nimbus]

yep and you have an ssg and rocket launcher

[grave flower]

I two shot that casually, weirdly

Rocketed one vile, ran out, got behind cybies, barons infought them, rocketed other vile when it started feeling sketchy and needed space, got behind hk pack and coasted

Backwards rocketing run between cybies and hks is scary but not too bad

I'll see if it kicks my ass when I inevitably grind it lol

Checked your demo, yeah, I left the vile room alone way earlier and longer than you

Tons of space near the cyan armor to bait stuff and dodge rockets for a bit

And you never used the space behind the barons, safest place to clean up from tbh

Oh, and are the mini cyberdemons splash immune? I never rocketed them cause I assumed they weren't and muh ammo efficiency

[azure nimbus]

they are splash immune. I've tried all those and didn't work too well for me. If it works for you, it really might be a tiny movement change

ammo efficiency is nice, but recognize what the map is and who the author is. If you so much as ssg a pinky, you'll be in trouble with Ribbiks. But Insane Gazebo is fine if you bfg zombiemen

[grave flower]

I'm classically conditioned lol

And possibly- or maybe I got blessed enemy rng

I will say you're miles better than me from what I watched, so please don't take this as me trying to teach you or anything lol

Just fascinating how different strats and variations play out

[azure nimbus]

A small movement change makes a big difference. There is a reason that I use the right pillar at the first dark blue cyber instead of the rest. The exact spot that I stand at for the rev+cyber dropped floor area matters. You could be doing something just a bit different that helps a lot and would be cool to see if it's consistetn.

[finite crag]

Map 05 of FW wasnt maxed? Dang wouldnt think that after the amount of dimension maxes Ive seen lately

[azure nimbus]

I think it's because map05 is much longer. Map05 is maxed now at least lol

[grave flower]

Lemme grind the first fight on OBS a bit, see if I can get 2 consecutive clears

I'm considerably worse than you so anything I try is a struggle lol

I only do hard shit through sheer attempt volume

(Thus my name)

[azure nimbus]

realize that this took me 226 attempts

[grave flower]

Yeah, you beat that map in less attempts than it took me to do map02

which looks considerably easier in retrospect

Sent you a clip of a "success" (if I wasn't so bad)

I described it really poorly, you back up while shooting the vile and I do some weird movements to try to avoid cyberstrafes

OH

I KNOW WHAT IT'S DOING, because I'm near the side the cybies spawn for so long, the HKs and barons clump there, and you can just run right around the blob that goes into the middle into the baron closet

(I'm gonna call hell knights barons a lot, it's just shorter)

[azure nimbus]

tried your thing -- still can't get it lol. glad I'm done with that level

[grave flower]

Dang, I wonder if it is a gzdoom port difference thing

I just played through the rest of Fractured Worlds on HMP, and I think I'm at a really unfortunate skill level right now

I found HMP so easy it was almost boring at times, but UV is an unfun grindfest

I'll test it on dsda doom later

[azure nimbus]

I doubt that it's gzdoom. I think it's just that I did it 100s of times not that way so it'd take some practice is all. I do think that FW looks a lot better in software(it was designed for it). GZ can do software-ish settings in hardware though so it's not like there is much a difference short of demos. Really play on what you want(though my machine can barely run gz lmao)

[split grove]

classic doom was fire

[azure nimbus]

was? New content is being made every day

[humble meteor]

Trying to pull a Decino and pistol start maps with fast monsters. Managed to do DOOM 1 without Thy Flesh Consumed easy enough, now doing DOOM 2 and so far The Gantlet is the hardest map so far. Chaingunners are just...there aren't even enough words. I didn't even struggle this badly on House Of Pain and I HATE that map. Same with Fortress Of Misery.

[final frigate]

i dont get how the man does it

[humble meteor]

He's really unbelievable. I'm halfway through The Focus after restarting 4 times and I wanna cry lol.

[dapper flint]

Mmjp was the the first to max one of the hardest map sets. Decino is entertaining

[real latch]

i believe it still is

[finite crag]

classic doom is going to be 29 years old...

[atomic dust]

The Inmost Dens is probably the best city level in the game

it has good design and fights

[finite crag]

Agreed tho I like suburbs as well

[finite crag]

Ohhhh Im doing this as well when Im home, what port you using?

[humble meteor]

I like the Unity port a lot, but usually run that port thru GZDoom. I forgot to mention I'm trying to do the multiplayer enemies too. The downside to enabling multiplayer stuff is I get extra ammo from the multiplayer-only pickups but I think it evens out. There's a Cyberdemon in Circle Of Death and that makes the map like, evil and fun. I might not be able to do that with Plutonia though...there's literally a Spider Mastermind in the 2nd area of map 1!

[finite crag]

Haha yeah plutonia is crazy with mp monsters

Think hell revealed did that stuff as well

[humble meteor]

Yeah the multiplayer enemies with fast monsters is just insane, even just in DOOM 2. In Plutonia I might need some special cream, afterwards. Lol.

And pistol start, just...I might legit have to turn off either fast monsters or mp spawns. I don't think I can beat both lol

[azure nimbus]

just a technicality thing, you don't run the unity port through gz. it's just playing gz at that point

[humble meteor]

I mean it's got the features tho. SR50 is built in just like the Unity port. I move much much faster. But I hear you lol.

[azure nimbus]

are you saying that you have auto sr50 in gzdoom

I'll have to check that out. won't use it, but interesting feature

[tired dawn]

ok update on the unbalanced levels i had to go through coz of obsidian world gen: it's a one off thing

[fickle adder]

Does anyone have a wad that makes the game turn into psx doom

All the damn emulators I’ve tried to play psx doom just get stuck on the loading

[humble meteor]

I mean...it feels like I'm hella faster? I'm able to do speedrun strats easier, unless I just got better?

[finite crag]

u can find a TC for gzdoom pretty easily online

Played through it like a month ago pretty fun

[fickle adder]

cooool

[slim willow]

PSX Doom CE is pretty rad. A bunch of options for purists and a bunch for people who like extra effects and gameplay.

[grave flower]

Decino likely has tens of thousands of hours of practice playing some of the stupidest shit ever made. Godhood through volume! 😄

Some people have been playing hard shit for literally decades, and are insanely good because of it

I'm jealous, having only started recently :<

[azure nimbus]

decino started playing with doom Eternal 2

[finite crag]

Doom eternal 2?!? Damn I missed an iteration

[azure nimbus]

yeah dblade is a hook now

[dapper flint]

I just like thr shotgun shell hitting the floor effect also shoutout to me buddy Moleeccicco who is hard working and making the psx 64 maps

Legend

[slim willow]

PSX Doom on n64??

Like a romhack or?

[finite crag]

The home of my favorite game

[tired dawn]

why does the imp's corpse have a buttocks shown?

[forest zodiac]

wait until you see its corpse in 64

[ornate vortex]

I have a question about how the BFG works

Do tracers specifically appear around your line of sight or is there more to it that I don't quite understand yet? (up to an angle)

[narrow condor]

The tracers shoot out of you in the direction you were facing when you pulled the trigger. The exact destinations are determined the instant the ball lands, autoaiming on the monsters in a spread.

If you were facing north when you pull the trigger, then moved elsewhere and turned out to face the south, the tracers will shoot out of you from your back once the projectile lands.

[azure nimbus]

it's the direction the ball goes. you can turn between trigger pull and ball firing

[narrow condor]

Yes

Whichever cardinal direction the ball goes is the direction the tracers will go.

[ornate vortex]

so if you fire the projectile forward and then move right into a room full of revenants without turning much, I suppose all the tracers will hit them

[narrow condor]

Yeah, if you don't turn at all, you'll be shooting straight ahead.

[azure nimbus]

pretty much. the tracers cover doom's default fov

[ornate vortex]

Thanks, that's actually helped a lot with my strategy to uv maxing rush map 3

[azure nimbus]

sometimes it helps to bfg in the oppo direction that you circle strafe

[narrow condor]

There's so much you can do with this oddity. You can do silent attacks like this: Pull the trigger somewhere separated from monsters with sound blocking linedefs and run into the room with idle monsters. Monsters won't hear the tracers (other than the ones that get hurt, obviously).

[azure nimbus]

right. sound for all weapons comes from the trigger pull, not thhe attack

[narrow condor]

In addition, BFG (and the rocket launcher) has a bit of delay before shooting, so you can actually shoot the ball like this too if you time it right.

Like, pull the trigger and take the teleporter immediately.

[azure nimbus]

and the punch

[ornate vortex]

I kinda needed to understand how the bfg works, since in my successful run of map 3, the tracers were very inconsistent, but now I understand it's probably because I shot the projectile in an odd angle and didn't get close enough for all the tracers to hit

I suppose it's rng as well, since some tracers won't do as much damage

[azure nimbus]

tracers are the most important thing yep

[narrow condor]

There's also the problem with blockmap bug, so it's possible the tracers actually went in the correct direction but didn't hit the monster.

[ornate vortex]

That bug happens sometimes and it sucks

it's a run killer for sure when it happens

[azure nimbus]

decino has videos on the bfg but a lot is practice. do I focus on dps or tracer value? do I hit the wall so I get tracers out faster or do I need the extra value from the ball? can I stack tracers from a distance?

probably the most dynamic fps weapon

[narrow condor]

I'm very glad they didn't use the Christmas lights version in the final version.

[ornate vortex]

I learnt about stacking tracers from A1s

[azure nimbus]

the big xmas gun just doesn't have as cool design even if it had comperable dps

[grave flower]

Comparable theoretical anyway

[ornate vortex]

I prefer the BFG they used in the final version compared to the beta

but I feel like the unmakyr in doom eternal has some link to the beta BFG

[azure nimbus]

I think it has some link to the d64 unmaker a bit more lol

[ornate vortex]

it doesn't really work the same way though

[narrow condor]

Was the name of the Doom 64 unmaker ever made official?

[finite crag]

is there a unmayker mod for doom classic?

[ornate vortex]

i think there is

[azure nimbus]

only in the rerelease's achievements

[narrow condor]

Ah

[finite crag]

seems legit

theres a mod for everything in doom clasic lol

[azure nimbus]

it is definitely closer to the unmaker than the 80 projectile plasma stream

3 simul attacks that have oscilating spread from a continuous fire weapon is very similar

only thing in common with the BXG is projectiles

[ornate vortex]

I suppose it does look a bit like a different colour plasma ball

[atomic dust]

bxg

[ornate vortex]

sadly I don't think eternal's unmakyr is as powerful as d64

[azure nimbus]

Big xmas gun

[ornate vortex]

The unmakyr in 64 is ridiculous

[azure nimbus]

oh yeah, d64s is better. part of that has to do with eternal's bfg being better

in d64, it's unmaker. eternal's is the unmaykr

[atomic dust]

the unmaker with all demon keys equipped makes the otherwise challenging final boss a joke

[ornate vortex]

they patched the whole overdrive unmakyr in eternal

[azure nimbus]

she gets vaporized by bfg all the same

[atomic dust]

locking the demons spawned and then killing the Mother Demon in seconds

[ornate vortex]

I don't know whether the BFG is more powerful than the unmaker or not

it's really debatable I suppose

[azure nimbus]

the bfg is numerically better but the unmaker is more controlled so better in most scenarios in the game

bfg is faster vs the mother demon. but it's harder to pull off for example

[narrow condor]

I completely ignored the demon keys when I first played Doom 64 and the unmaker was a good weapon on its own. The final fight wasn't too bad with a BFG and sufficient ammo.

[ornate vortex]

I agree, the BFG does more damage at a faster rate, but the unmaker is easier to use in most fights

[narrow condor]

Yeah, BFG is a finicky weapon to handle. It's best used tactically.

[azure nimbus]

if d64 had ennormous slaughter fights, bfg would be better but it doesn't

[ornate vortex]

As i've learnt now, the BFG definitely takes a lot of understanding about it to use properly

[atomic dust]

It's not like D64 has just as much amount of enemies in the levels compared to Ultimate Doom and Doom II

[ornate vortex]

I spent 20 minutes tryna figure out why my BFG shots were being weird

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsCqLQJ1EOc

[ornate vortex]

new strat for when I use the bfg is to turn slowly so that it doesn't mess up the tracers

[azure nimbus]

or you can shoot slightly behind where you're going so that your new position pairs well with the angle

[atomic dust]

I sometimes used the bfg on small groups of Mancubi but that's it

[azure nimbus]

imagine that you're looking at the group of monsters that you are circle strafing

you are going to the right(ccw). Shoot the bfg slightly left. So now, that left angle will work when you get to the right side of the monsters

But it's definitely true that if you go slower, you can have a more neutral angle

at least for circ strafe

[ornate vortex]

then firing almost behind would be optimal since by the time the projectile hits, you'll probably reach near the angle you fired at

I suppose it depends on the environment

That's what I like about doom, just endless combinations of environments, monsters and strategies

[azure nimbus]

like here where I shoot slightly left as I travel slowly to the right https://youtu.be/1UGyra-LBiY?t=2100 (these are special quarter health cybers)

timestamp 35 min

[ornate vortex]

I'm gonna try and slow down the video so I hopefully see it more

Yep, I see it now

you're slightly facing the left

[azure nimbus]

one of my favorite doom things is the cyber 2tap dance

[ornate vortex]

I know how that works luckily

you just get right into their hitbox as it fires rockets so all the tracers hit the cyberdemon

it's easy to do with practice, and it's better to practice it in nightmare difficulty

since the cyberdemon just constantly fires

or fast monsters

[azure nimbus]

I think I agree with that. always get pain state with a perfect shot but sometimes they don't get pained if you miss a bit and need to be ready. there really is so much going on since it's this weird 2 part triple staggered commital weapon

[finite crag]

dang tricks and traps on uv-fast was kinda tough

[grave flower]

The first time I got a 2tap in my life was the last fight of FW map02, I was so excited

The timing and spacing is so crazy

[forest zodiac]

Fun fact: the first map in Evilution has a Cyberdemon present that’s flagged for MP

[azure nimbus]

I used e2m8 and cheats to practice that 2tap rhythm a bunch. it's really nice to get your first 2tap and it stays being that way forever. They're always cool. I actually didn't get a 2tap in that last fw 02 room. You can see me running out of plasma and getting lucky on my first ssg

[hexed escarp]

lmao i found an extended version of one of the songs from plutonia midi pack, and the description of the video was obviously either written by a non native english speaker and/or put thru google translate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1-FkDDHnyY

there are so many funny things in it

[grave flower]

I'm starting to have very first-world problems

My doom VR recordings are all slightly tilted for some reason

I can't figure out if it's becaue the world is tilted, or i I'm just tilted

[ornate vortex]

Jokes aside, Massacre Machine is a banger

I also liked Plug Ugly and Plummeting

If it wasn't for the custom midi pack I probably wouldn't have gotten into doom

Like Plutonia with the midi pack was what got me into doom in the first place lol

[mental thicket]

just beat doom 1993 with my friend

[azure nimbus]

do it with an enemy

[left raptor]

Map 30 of Revolution is supposed to have a secret (and four items) according to the map screen but I can’t find it, and only three items that count. Doom wiki says it doesn’t have a secret but I’m thinking it was added for the Unity port? But I’ve been noclipping everywhere and can’t find it. Any pointers?

[azure nimbus]

iddt help?

[left raptor]

Ah yes, forgot about that one. ||One of the pillars in the starting room has a different texture||

[ornate vortex]

Thanks for the BFG info, legit almost got a sub 3 minute run on rush map 3, which is insane

and it's all because of good BFG usage

[azure nimbus]

gambing

[hexed escarp]

Maybe your house has slightly uneven floors?

[ornate vortex]

Is there any reason why OBS makes doom look weird?

I record through obs on my demos and it comes out not as smooth

[mental thicket]

no

[grave flower]

Finished Fractured Worlds on UV

I don't think I'm going to go for single-segment UVmaxes on these, I think I'll need several months of improvement before they become in any way comfortable

[mental grove]

hi im trying to run through dos mode since the regular version through steam seems to be really weird and not have the "a secret is revealed thing" as well as not really having actual 4:3 but when i do dos mode my screen has a green tint

[forest zodiac]

the secret message thing is something that source ports added, altho I thought it got backported to the 2019 version in an update?

[mental grove]

ah ok

also should i play a source port or the regular version

chocolate doom looks pretty good

[narrow condor]

Unless you have a specific reason not to, you should use a source port.

[mental grove]

ok got chocolate doom

yeah thats much better

[grave flower]

@azure nimbus Scythe 2 looks downright relaxing compared to FW lol

Worth playing? I heard good things from MtPain and others

(oh, sorry for pinging you, won't do it again if you find it rude)

[tired dawn]

is reelism 2 a good mod?

[azure nimbus]

not every set needs to be terribly hard. it's high quality short maps. It's really the father of the modern megawad to me

[atomic dust]

No Rest For The Living is the best expansion for Doom II imo

the levels are high-quality, challenging and have lots of monsters

[azure nimbus]

what are you including on that expansion list: plutonia, tnt, nrftl, master levels?

[atomic dust]

yes

I like Plutonia as well but I find NRFTL to be more consistent in terms of balance

the only bad NRFTL map is vivisection. it's too cramped

[azure nimbus]

it's p good

[atomic dust]

I like how the first level of other Classic Doom games are well-balanced levels that introduce the player to the mechanics, while Plutonia has you deal with groups of Revenants, Chaingunners and some Arch-Viles in the first level

then the second level has an invisible bridge that is activated by shooting a switch

considering Plutonia was designed for experienced Doom players, I can see why the casali bros did those

[azure nimbus]

that's why I think of plut as the grandfather of the modern megawad

[atomic dust]

Plutonia is one of those ''rage-inducing but also fun'' type of games

[atomic dust]

a Shotgunner accidentally damaged a Baron and not only he quickly killed him, but also gibbed him

[azure nimbus]

barons are big boys. they cab even throw fireballs behind them

[atomic dust]

I's amazing how even an Imp's fireball or a charging Lost Soul can gib a Zombieman

''It's easier to count what doesn't gib Zombiemen and Shotgunners than what gibs them''

-decino

[azure nimbus]

but sometimes a direct rocket won't

[atomic dust]

rng moment

[forest zodiac]

I kinda like how vaguely uncanny the music in the Jaguar port of 1 sounds

I think it'd be funny if someone tried covering the rest of Doom 1's soundtrack and all of 2's soundtrack in the Jaguar style

[slim willow]

Shame it only plays on the intermission screens

[forest zodiac]

there's that one hack that adds basically everything back but I don't think there's been any movement on it since 2019

[tired dawn]

I want to try this mod called reelism 2 but i need to ask is it good?

[forest zodiac]

absolutely

[atomic dust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vlpa0nUQMg&t=445s

this map is a huge piece of shit. confusing as hell and filled with hitscanners everywhere

[solar egret]

anyone know what to do in e3m6?

i think ive explored every corner of the map but i cant figure out what to do

i need a blue key or a blue skull

dont know where to get it

nvm i just figured it out

[grave flower]

How many frames or tics long is a mancubus's pre-fire prep stage?

I'll go record and frame-count if I have to, just hoping someone's done the leg work for me. Need it for my "chance to not get totally fucked up trying to trigger a pain chance" calculations

[royal heron]

TNT in general just blows

[vale gyro]

Wut you mean by it’s a piece of shit?

It’s a pain in the ass

[vivid vine]

I think those are equivalent

[civic seal]

Lol

Halo Doom evolved looks so sick

[dapper flint]

Stronghold is trash though

Rather play blacktower

[vivid vine]

Stronghold is also the name of a sort of tower defense mod

[atomic dust]

at least it's not as bad as those so-called Master Levels

[broken elk]

anyone have a hard doom wad that could get me into hard wads

except for evilution

[vast reef]

pretty decent guide @broken elk

should get you through well enough

[narrow gorge]

Last night I got high and played classic doom. More fun than classic doom should be 💀

[broken elk]

thanks

hey does gzdoom lets you automatically go to sf50?

i know that unity does

waht should i do first? tnt or plutonia???

[azure nimbus]

tnt is easier but has aged worse

[broken elk]

k

[fickle adder]

plutonia is very good

tnt is boring

i beat it once never again

[narrow condor]

I still recommend people to play TNT between Doom 2 and Plutonia, if only for once.

It was nowhere near as influential as Plutonia but it was influential nevertheless.

[atomic dust]

gotta say, TNT’s first half is actually enjoyable

with the exception of Stronghold

[finite crag]

I have Crispy Doom running on my Wii U and I want to know what are some good vanilla-compatible mods to put on it https://youtu.be/Vd4knIJ7EuM

[limpid zinc]

Doom 4 Vanilla

[narrow condor]

CC4 M32 is super fun. It's not non-linear but still manages to be convoluted, bending over itself and opening up new areas with progression. I was surprised to find that this map (and its soundtrack) is its author's sole published work.

[atomic dust]

tell me an official Classic Doom level where the Spiderdemon is actually a threat

[azure nimbus]

e3m8 is really the scariest it gets for official stuff

[vivid vine]

The one at the beginning of Plutonia's first map with coop monsters on

[lusty hound]

[jade solstice]

Finally getting around to arrival again
Dare I say this is one of the best soundtracks I’ve heard

[jade solstice]

[hexed escarp]

Plutonia map05

Idk if other people consider that a threat but I do

[narrow condor]

I came across a cool trick in an otherwise badly dated map.

A large wall comes down towards the end of the map, so you're expecting a horde of monsters but it's just a single imp. So you just take out the chaingun to snipe it, but shooting anything makes the horde teleport in right behind you.

Bonus: You take out the rocket launcher and make a run for the only safe corridor (no plasma weapons in the map), only to find that there's a singular pinky blocking it just around the corner. With the hell knights quickly catching up, you either panic and facerocket or eat a couple hell knight projectiles in the narrow corridor by the time you get the SSG out.

[prime lava]

what map is this

[vast reef]

isn't that an arachnotron or am i mistaken

i am mistaken

i apologize for the ping

[rugged tangle]

Doom is actually pretty cool guys

[narrow condor]

CC1 M16

[vast reef]

community chest 1 right

[narrow condor]

Yup

I should warn that other than this neat trick, the map is pretty mediocre.

[fickle adder]

if you pistol start e3m8 on nightmare

plutonia map 1 on ultra violence + or coop

[azure nimbus]

e3m8 is easier on nm

[fickle adder]

i goofed

yeah without double ammo you have like nothing to kill it with

i pistoled it like 4 times

[thick dagger]

hey guys i need help with something very silly
can someone please send me the going down level end screen graphic without text?
i need it for a school project

[tired dawn]

Guys, what are your fav classic doom ost?

Mine is deep into the code

[thick dagger]

dont change the discussion bruhhhhhh

mine is entryway and into sandys city

also from freedoom its map 08

[tired dawn]

Holy fuck it's v1 from the hit game dusk eternal 🤯

[thick dagger]

B R U H

[thick dagger]

im not kidding btw

[thick dagger]

nvm lmao

[pearl osprey]

Open the wad in Slade 3 (doom editor) and you'll find it somewhere

[proven valley]

[dapper flint]

Plutonia plus is actually a blast other than map 22

[vast reef]

wdym don't change the discussion

there was no ongoing discussion

you said one thing

[slim willow]

map 22 in general is an experience...

[dapper flint]

When I realized I had alot of doom work to do to improve lol

[thick dagger]

i was asking for help and he suddenly came in and was like "hey guys whats ur fav song"

i domt think he would like it if id do that

[hexed escarp]

Plutonia plus?

[dapper flint]

Uv plus ( solo net or the solo net plus fast difficulty for unity)

[hexed escarp]

Ah

[vast reef]

lmao it's not like it's a problem

people can still see your message

and besides, you can ask again if it ends up getting buried (which happens to everybody on discord anyway)

[slim willow]

its almost like you can dislike a map even if its easy

[dapper flint]

That's a different reason for disliking it

[slim willow]

why i dislike thy flesh

[dapper flint]

Gingle made it look easy

Took a million runs but still

[finite crag]

thy flesh is the best episode

maybe knee deep is better

[slim willow]

there are parts of e4 i really like. like e4m6 is awesome.

[lavish osprey]

Hello

i am new member

how are you ?

[lavish osprey]

my best episode is shores of hell

i am from Azerbaijan

I joined discord because I know English and I love DOOM (I love memes on social media)

[azure nimbus]

doom is the universal language ofc

[narrow condor]

The game that unites us all. 😌

[lavish osprey]

😀

[slim willow]

Welcome to the server!

[finite crag]

If you pick up armor bonusses until you get 200% with a green armor, will you still pick up a blue armor?

[finite crag]

probably my least fav episode haha

[thick dagger]

happened to me in the past

best to be certain it aint happening again

[sturdy laurel]

Yes, since you still only get 33% protection from green armor/armor bonuses, whereas blue armor provides 50% damage reduction.

[lavish osprey]

yea

[lavish osprey]

thank you

[quartz parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgS1ZoidySwOI_GaxbEtKcJxgHWbW-xTm

Currently playing through Anomaly Report if anybody wants to check it out

[lavish osprey]

guys what do you think is the best screen recorder to make a DOOM video

my pc : 32 bit windows, windows 7 ultimate, Pentium (R) Dual-Core CPU, 2 gb ram,

And my pc is Compaq Presario 62

I am thinkin' of buying a NEW comp.

[lavish osprey]

lol

[azure nimbus]

have you tested this in a map?

my intuition is that you'd not pick it up. but it's such a rare scenario. I might need udb to check

[pearl osprey]

OBS is probably the best screen recorder in existence

If you are speedrunning doom you actually don't have to capture the screen, you can just record a demo

[dapper flint]

Truth. Some people are just scared off by now it appears complicated

[royal heron]

Certainly

[finite crag]

Does anyone know if you can quick switch in project brutality

[dapper flint]

Yeah

[zenith berry]

Modern Baron or the 1993 Baron?

[dapper flint]

Doom 2016 baron

[barren gorge]

Ooooh cans someone play this with me tomarrow

[slim willow]

i mean, those muscles though

[warm matrix]

did i soft lock myself?

[vast reef]

what did you do and on what map

you can find walkthroughs for most known wads (usually means it has a few reviews on idgames) on the doomwiki i believe

if you can't find it you can open it up in doombuilder

[humble meteor]

Ok, corruption cards are the most fun thing I've played in a LONG time. I'm playing Doom 1 with them (fast monsters enabled of course), and on episode two one of the cards I got was the one for spawning a boss enemy. A cyberdemon has spawned IN THE MAZE IN M2. This is TERRIFYING lol!

[vocal summit]

with specs like that just record a demo

[humble meteor]

God, I HATE Command Center. It might be my least favorite map in Doom 1 and that's saying something with Fortress of Misery being in there, and Cathedral of The Damned.

[azure nimbus]

are you on psx or the xbox version or something? what is cathedral of the damned

[humble meteor]

Sorry, got Unholy Cathedral and Halls Of The Damned mixed. Prolly cuz I strongly dislike both.

Fighting Barons in narrow hallways when fast monsters is on is...not ideal

[azure nimbus]

least command center has the secret exit so you can get outta there in a minute if you dislike it

[humble meteor]

I'm a masochist and going for UV-Max. Usually I pistol start with fast monsters, but for corruption cards pistol start is too much. I won't spoil the cards but...the effects range from fun to "oh go to hell" territory haha

[azure nimbus]

I mean if you're going for corruption cards, your fate is in the cards

[humble meteor]

Well fair, but those two maps are just such a slog and convoluted and blech. Pandemonium tho? Epic level

[fast mortar]

E3M8 music is amazing and its a shame that it got wasted on a boss that you can take down in 10 seconds

[azure nimbus]

idmus38

[lavish osprey]

i love Halls Of the Damned. because this level has one of my favorite DOOM tracks.

this level has too many Pinkies.
It is an excellent level for quality control of the saw😉

My least favorite level is E4M2. I think it's the hardest level in DOOM

here are my favorite DOOM tracks :

Sinister, Nobody Told Me About ID, Dark Halls, Sign of Evil.

[vast reef]

sargent d and the SOD is the song it's based on and my god that song and the album it's from are damn good

[royal heron]

E4M6 imho is harder

[lavish osprey]

of course

[dapper flint]

Ironically that's the first place I ever pistol finished the cyber lol

[lavish osprey]

what is ur best DOOM II track bro ?

here my best DOOM II tracks :

[narrow condor]

The Healer Stalks because of the funky Spanish cadenza

[lavish osprey]

Bye bye American pie ! - Alice In Chains(Them Bones)

The Healer Stalks - Get Them Before They Get You (DOOM version)

Waiting Romero To Play - (idk who compose this. Couldbe Bobby Prince)

[lavish osprey]

😀

[royal heron]

No Into Sandy's City?

[dapper flint]

On top of my head just right away e1m9 e1m4 for damn sure.

From 93

Tons more

Um for 2 map 29 is hammered into my head now

It's a fucking banger though

[lavish osprey]

yea

[finite crag]

them bones is a banger

I like how you choose a lot of doom 2 tracks

unpopular opinion probably but I prefer the doom 2 soundtrack over the doom 1

the doom 1 rocks out more but I like the lowkeyness of the doom 2 one

[slim willow]

thats a hot take. i agree

[gusty falcon]

Well i got a disappointment tonight

Tried doomDoom on 3ds and it can't run other maps aside from base doom properly

By that i mean custom maps have no music

Shame i wanted to try valiant

It's just not the same without the awesome music

[forest zodiac]

I don't think the 3DS is capable of playing MIDIs, that's why

[gusty falcon]

Bigger Shame

[zenith berry]

Bobby Prince composed all DOOM tracks. This is an exception with some TNT tracks.

Also fun fact: Waiting for Romero to Play and some other Doom II tracks were initially made for the original Doom. It was going to be the music for E1M3.

[lavish osprey]

thank you

[lavish osprey]

interesting.

[finite crag]

I do love the e1m3 ost of doom 1

and e1m2 as well

I think I just dislike a lot of doom 1 maps because in all honesty my ranking goes something like this: E1 ~ E4 > Doom 2 > E2 ~ E3

[winged frigate]

just finished map 6 now... map 7

23 maps left or 25 maps left if you count secrets

[finite crag]

classic doom is...

[hexed escarp]

What's a good wad to play coop

Is Eviternity fun in coop?

[dapper flint]

Solo net or with someone. It's fun solo net so most likely with someone else

[hexed escarp]

I meant with someone else

[dapper flint]

Then yes

enemy count increase is nice cybers randomly thrown in

[hexed escarp]

Lol

Cool, I'm gonna try playing it with my friend later today

In sp I have only gotten to map12 so far and I love it

[finite crag]

u playing regular doom 2?

[finite crag]

that's fun about doom, most wads are also good for coop

[ebon fern]

my favorite DOOM song is running from evil.

[azure nimbus]

I've played the first few maps of enter the mapwich2 which runs the supercharge Gameplay mod. Every weapon has manual reloads except for the ssg. this gives the weird experience where I can empty every weapon but wait to reload later(like doom3) by changing weapons except the ssg which forces the reload. The ssg forcing a reload in vanilla feels fine because all weapons are like that. but here, it feels unnatural

[somber crystal]

can anyone help me set up a multiplayer game on lzdoom
i tried to host and it didnt work

and my friend hosts but still doesnt work

i do the command zdoom -host and it says waiting for players

friend inputs my ip from hamachi still doesnt work

[lavish osprey]

hmmm

[somber crystal]

hold on it seens my friend has 3.88b and i have 3.88a

ill try that then if it doesnt work ill come back here

[lavish osprey]

ok

[somber crystal]

still doesnt work

[lavish osprey]

i know how to play multiplayer in ZDOOM

I don't have detailed information about LZDOOM

[somber crystal]

seems i didnt enable multiplayer from doomrunner menu
but i still havent tried cuz my keyboard stppped working

[lavish osprey]

🤔

[somber crystal]

still doesnt work

friends stuck on contacting host

[lavish osprey]

oh no...

wait a minute...

[somber crystal]

what

[lavish osprey]

do u have Zandronum ?

download Zandronum, Odamex, and Zdaemon

[somber crystal]

dont really wanna use those tho
and theyd be the same wouldnt it
same ip based

tried odamex once
also didnt work

[lavish osprey]

You can use DOOM explorer

i think DOOM explorer will help you

[somber crystal]

doom explorer is the same

its ip based isnt it

[lavish osprey]

yes

[somber crystal]

then it wont work

also i stil wanna use lzdoom

[lavish osprey]

Sorry... seems i can't help you with that

😦

[azure nimbus]

Your bio has you self-ID as racist?

[lavish osprey]

what ?!