classic-doom

[azure nimbus]

As long as you play consistently, you'll always think back to a couple months ago as when you were bad. Doom's base design helps you naturally get better

[old echo]

:DDD truth

[zenith berry]

Apparently the PS1 cover art of DOOM had been created before both PS1 and DOOM (the original PC version) were released.

https://twitter.com/RogerMotzkus/status/1557774230086856704?s=20&t=ya0dNPcs4e7s5yK6kCVoFg

Roger Motzkus (@RogerMotzkus)

@KinoFabino I painted the DOOM art. What folks don't understand is when I did this art - the DOOM game didn't exist. I was being asked to make stuff up based on black and white faxes of 8 bit characters. Instagram @rogermotzkus

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So that makes the PS1 DOOM artwork as old as the one drawn by Don Ivan Punchatz, maybe slightly older.

[vapid prism]

How can i get cripsy Doom to sound like this?

[vital knoll]

Indeed

PSX Final Doom CE is the way I'm choosing to final tackle the dreaded TNT. Then I guess it's on to the first playthrough of Doom 3.

[azure nimbus]

why psx?

[vital knoll]

PSX Doom CE is a PC port of PSX Doom/Final Doom. Keyboard and mouse controls with that PSX Doom atmosphere/soundtrack offsets a little of the tediousness of the TNT experience.

Really love the horror vibe of that version. Also, CE offers a number of enhancements to the original experience that kinda makes it feel like its own thing.

[dapper flint]

I remember first time I tried CE and forgot about the sound pack or deleted by mistake. Nightmare fuel

[vital knoll]

You got an enhanced Jaguar experience

[vestal flare]

not doom but close enough; anyone familiar enough with heretic to answer a question about E2?

I've gotten to this part in E2M2 but I cannot for the life of me figure out why these stairs are not present

ok I guess I can't send an image

I solved my issue

[vapid prism]

Anyone?

[halcyon willow]

that's a remake of the midi. you'd have to manually replace the music in doom

[narrow condor]

I'm playing the NG+ of Overboard and it feels much more distilled.

It throws bigger enemies at you but also gives you lots of resources to work with. I was hoping for changes to the maps' design though. It rather feels like just a difficulty level above UV.

[mint river]

How do I contact Id Software staff for help?

My original copy of the Master Levels for Doom II is dead. The play button has been removed, meanwhile I can still play all of my other old copies of expansions that I bought pre-grouping. I had a menu launcher set up for the Master Levels and now I can't play them through my old copy because the play button is gone. Otherwise I'd have to add my Master Level menu launcher as a non-Steam game to play it that way and my original copy would sit there as a dummy.

I'm aware they're still accessible through Doom II now but every other expansion still has a play button and still works. My original Master Levels copy is just dead now. Can you guys add the play button back please?

[pearl osprey]

Can't you reinstall it?

[dapper flint]

Oh no.. you can't play master levels anymore. Dang . That's horrible

[azure nimbus]

Reminds me of a bad dream I had

[vernal gulch]

lets go i beat doom on uv!

e4 wasnt as bad as i was expecting either, pretty fun

[azure nimbus]

nice

[round cipher]

what did you think of e4m2

[vernal gulch]

it still sucked but not as bad as i was expecting

[narrow condor]

I finally figured out the origin of the arpeggio in The Healer Stalks.

It's a simple chromatic pattern over a flamenco/rumba chord progression called 'the Spanish cadence' (or 'cadenza').

It's been bothering me for so long, but wasn't bothering enough to actually dissect the Midi or try to figure out the chords by ear.

You can look up "Spanish cadence flamenco guitar" on YouTube to hear how it sounds like.

[dense sail]

Just to chime in, once you get a foothold on ammo and weapons it's a bit more manageable, only just.

[finite crag]

Do I buy classic doom on ps4 (doom 1)

[dapper flint]

If console is your only option, absolutely

[finite crag]

I'm on the ps4

[dapper flint]

That's a console

[finite crag]

I am well aware

Welp I bought it and its downloading

[zenith berry]

Also get Doom II too.

[dapper flint]

👍

[unborn vine]

the doom music isnt playing in doom classic could someone please help?

someone pls help

is anyone going to help me

[pearl osprey]

Describe the issue in more detail and if someone has experienced the same problem before they might be able to help

Like for example, what sourceport are you using, are you playing pc/mobile/console, do sound effects also not work etc...

[unborn vine]

im on pc

and im on windows 11

and i dont know what you mean bye source port

[pearl osprey]

Are you playing the steam version

[unborn vine]

yes

[pearl osprey]

And all sounds don't work or only music doesn't work?

[unborn vine]

all sounds work but the music doesnt and ive tried everything i even went into the game settings and that did absolutly nothing

[pearl osprey]

In the game's audio settings, do you have music volume set to max?

[unborn vine]

yes

it does nothing

[pearl osprey]

Hmmm I never saw anyone have a bug like that before

Try verifying the game files

[unborn vine]

did that

[pearl osprey]

if that doesn't work you'll have to contact ID software

you can also install a different source port

[unborn vine]

ik but then i would have to buy wouldnt i?

[pearl osprey]

basically a different engine for doom.

[pearl osprey]

No the engines are all free

[unborn vine]

wait so its free now doom classic is free?

[pearl osprey]

only doom's assets (like textures and music) cost money

[unborn vine]

well i paid for it befor it was free

[pearl osprey]

You can only get the source port (game engine) for free, doom itself isn't

Download GZDoom

It's a feature packed source port that can has good mod support

and music should work there

[unborn vine]

alright ill try it

[winter aurora]

The game itself is a .wad file, that's what you have bought

[unborn vine]

idk

[pearl osprey]

Don't worry about all that if you don't know what it means

[winter aurora]

Source ports are like other executables for Doom

[unborn vine]

thanks alot its working

and doom ultimate feels alot better and looks better too

[pearl osprey]

Glad it worked

A little reminder, the original 1993 doom doesn't have freelook (looking up and down) or jumping, if I recall correctly GZDoom enables those by default

If you like jumping and freelook you can keep them on, if not you can tweak almost everything in the settings

[azure nimbus]

For a first timer, GZ strays quite far from the original executable. I'd really recommend something like woof or dsda to start with

[pearl osprey]

Unfortunately I don't think woof or dsda have auto wad detection like GZDoom

that's the main reason I recommend GZ

[azure nimbus]

woof has an autoload folder but idk how to use that. Is it really that much harder to grab ZDL3-1.1 and select it from the menu

[pearl osprey]

Less tech savvy people might find it hard to find the .wad file

[azure nimbus]

it's a right click on the steam game

[vapid prism]

How can i get gzdoom to use the Roland 55?

[winter aurora]

You can use PrBoom+ or Woof if you want a more authentic experience. Or go for Crispy Doom or Chocolate Doom if you want something even closer to the vanilla version

[azure nimbus]

What features does crispy or choco do that is more vanilla than woof or prboom? On woof for example, I can do a 4:3 aspect ratio and lower res just like classic

[winter aurora]

I mean, the goal of Chocolate Doom is to be as vanilla as possible, and Crispy Doom is a fork of that same source ports with more modern features

[dapper flint]

I still use ZDL even for gz because I'm weird

[unborn vine]

i found chainsaw

[royal heron]

Nic

[winter aurora]

I mean, if you want to play custom maps by using multiple mod files, ZDL is VERY useful for that

I once played all Master Levels on GZDoom with the Master Level Menu Interface mod, LegenDoom, and a Doom 2 music pack thanks to ZDL. I just had to set everything once, done

[dapper flint]

Lol... how did I not know you can turn infinite height on in zdoom

Lol

That's a game changer

Main reason I never use it much

Anyone know what comp limit removing is ?

[winter aurora]

I believe that enables bigger/more complex maps

Boom maps

[dapper flint]

I'm pretty sure limit removing isnt boom

[vale gyro]

I never used those compat levels but I think it is boom as it is limit removing

The engine it’s self at least

anyways

I got banned from an IRC I never joined

Specifically chocolate doom’s IRC

[winter aurora]

Or just behaviors from Boom, more likely

[pearl osprey]

Limit removing means the mapping limits have been increased or removed

In dos doom for example the game would crash if you had too many sectors rendered at once

Limit removing comp usually refers to vanilla comp but with a source port that is limit removing

A vanilla limit removing map will run in crispy but not in chocolate

[azure nimbus]

Yes. Limit removing is cl2 or cl3 essentially. So all vanilla doom behavior except the game won't crash just because the map is big. Boom is a separate engine(cl9) with new features like fancy line triggers, door types, conveyers, and more flexible weapon swap behavior, slightly improved AI, and the ability to push monsters off ledges. On boom you can swap instantly to the shotgun for example without needing to go to ssg first

[pearl osprey]

Worth mentioning that some boom maps (very rarely) can't run on BOOM.EXE because of the limits

I had this issue with a map I was working on

i thought boom was limit removing, turns out it does increase the limits by a lot but not completely remove them

[azure nimbus]

There is no such thing as a truly limit removing computer thing

I suppose you could think of prboom, prb+, dsda, woof all as ports of boom in a way

Woof's inception was to port mbf to windows in fact

[pearl osprey]

True, you can use "lists" which will dynamically increase the limits whenever you need them, but eventually your PC will run out of memory

The solution that modern source ports is simple, make the limits insanely high that you can't ever reach the limits

[azure nimbus]

unless you are a mapper who is designing for the vanilla executable, there is basically no gameplay reason to use doom2.exe rather than a limit removing port. Anything that plays on true vanilla will play identically on lim removing. Anything that is lim removing won't run on true vanilla at all

[finite crag]

I downloaded and completed it all in 47 minutes

Meanwhile I also downloaded doom 2016 which is still stuck on the campaign loading screen 💀

[dapper flint]

Ahhh gotcha thanks man

[azure nimbus]

Danne made the same mistake, thinking that lim removing means boom when he first posted Combat Shock

[round cipher]

do you guys play with keyboard+mouse or just keyboard?

[vivid vine]

Just keyboard was almost never a thing judging by how popular Novert was

[azure nimbus]

controller.

[spice radish]

keyboard and mouse. I find Doom's original control scheme to be absolutely atrocious. So any port that comes with mouse look and WASD already set as default is a plus. The elitists can say what they want the original controls suck

also though none of that shit where you move with the mouse either

[dapper flint]

No that was a typo by me. I meant to say pretty sure limit removing isn't * boom. Because as we know unity is limit removing and we don't have any boom map add ons

[narrow condor]

Pretty much. Keyboard-only and mouse-only were options but the idea that Doom was originally meant to be played without a mouse is a stubborn myth.

[unborn vine]

what order should you play all the dooms in?

[vivid vine]

Ultimate Doom, Doom 2, Plutonia, Doom 64, Doom 3, Doom 2016, Doom Eternal

[finite crag]

You forgot Doom VFR between Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal

[vivid vine]

Why would I assume someone has a VR headset

[finite crag]

Idk

[halcyon willow]

what about TNT

[vivid vine]

[royal heron]

I don't think anyone in the community even prefers the original arrow key controls

[royal heron]

Ew

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/588114584863375381.gif?size=48

[pearl osprey]

eh it has some decent levels

"""some"""

[royal heron]

some

[vivid vine]

When the ones people like were usually made by a Casali

[round cipher]

best and worst level, go

[royal heron]

Out of the IWADs?

Worst: Habitat
Best(in my opinion): Go 2 It

I like slaughtermaps in general

[hazy abyss]

anyone know the passwords to some of the multiplayer servers on doomseeker/zandronum?

Or where to get them?

[pearl osprey]

Those are private servers

[hazy abyss]

Do they share the passwords to people on this discord?

[pearl osprey]

There are servers that don't require a password

[hazy abyss]

I know. I mean are the private servers from this discord.

[pearl osprey]

No, most of them are for people to play with their friends

[grave cypress]

i will leave this serv again

mayb i come back mayb not

Adios

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-goodbye-chat-dante-dante-dmc-dante-dmc5-gif-26133273

[dapper flint]

Oh no. Please. Don't go.

[unreal pike]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDddKSorCK0 Discord can only run doom in this way?

[narrow condor]

No, someone used an ASCII output library for a Doom engine and used a bot to paste the visual output to Discord on regular intervals.

[unreal pike]

oh...... so, Discord can't really run doom?

[narrow condor]

It can, in theory, since it's just a webapp in a browser.

You can inject a Doom source port in JS and write a shim to make it interface with the chat interface, completely violating the Discord ToS in the process.

It'd be essentially the same thing, except instead of running natively, it would run in the web browser.

[unreal pike]

can I put Doom in a Discord bot?

[round cipher]

has anyone managed to kill all the pinkies with the barrels on e1m8

because I can never manage it

[unreal pike]

anyway, idk can Doom be normally displayed in Discord even if Doom is inserted into a Discord bot

since that guy on Youtube have a Doom streaming bot, maybe we can have similar bot streaming Doom with pics in order to get better gameplay

[spice radish]

I can imagine Romero still using those controls

[vast reef]

some people do

i don't personally know any of them but there was a guy on steam complaining about how the strafe key wasn't working who said the original arrow key controls were ingrained into his muscle memory

[vast reef]

it's going to be a heavily dumbed down port if you do considering the limited control options
by heavily dumbed down, i mean nearly unplayable

but based on doom RPG's gameplay, i think you can get that running on a discord bot

[dapper flint]

God psx doom is glorious. Definitely love it

[finite crag]

Heya. I'm brand-new to the DOOM series and have completed the Steam version of Ultimate DOOM. I heard there is some expansion of sorts called Sigil that adds to the story; so where do I get it and how do I make it work? For some reason I couldn't find the answer via Google, which surprises me.

(Also, I'm wondering; is Sigil canon or no? I'm one of the weirdos who actually cares about that stuff, so just askin')

[finite crag]

On steam? I think?

Search ultimate doom dlc

If that's the answer I will be very embarassed; I bought that whole series

No forget it

If you search that it appears doom eternal dlc's

I'm looking at the 1993 DOOM's store page and no DLC appears. I'm assuming I download it online somewhere?

Huh. Odd, just a week or so ago it was called "Ultimate DOOM." Wonder why it changed.

I search "ultimate doom sigil" and it onlu appears the wiki

But no places to buy it

[halcyon willow]

there are numerous public servers. if they're passworded it means they don't want randoms joining

[finite crag]

XD

[azure nimbus]

Sigil is not on steam. It can be bought on John Romero's website, or you can play the free version(equal to the paid version except different music(by Jimmy Paddock instead of Buckethead) downloadable there or through various doomworld or idgamesarchive links. You'll need to run a source port to do so. Download the port, the launcher and give the launcher access to the port and sigil as well as doom.wad(right click on your steam game and you'll find this file). Is it canon? idk if there is even a story.

[finite crag]

Thank you, I'll try it. There's still a lot of terminology I don't know, but I'll probably figure it out.

[azure nimbus]

My recommendation is to search up "ZDL" as your launcher(I run 3-1.1) and either woof or DSDA as your engine. Either will get you a vanilla compat port. From there, you can ask more when you have those unzipped, or follow along with doomkid's or sobad's youtube videos as a guide for how to get them running.

It can be intimidating, but as someone bad with computers myself, it is rather easy

[finite crag]

Alright, thank you.

[zenith berry]

id Software simplified their Steam catalogue, part of it involves renaming Ultimate DOOM to DOOM (1993)
Other changes included DOOM II dropping the Hell on Earth title as well as combining Final Doom and Master Levels into one purchase with DOOM II.

[finite crag]

I see.

[digital iris]

Interesting

[spice radish]

It’s not even that big of a deal but I like it them being titled The Ultimate Doom and Doom II: Hell on Earth instead of just DOOM (1993) and DOOM II.

Though having Final Doom packaged with them now is great I can finally play it through a source port without needing to purchase Final Doom.

[zenith berry]

Ultimate Doom seems to make more sense as DOOM from 1993 did not have Thy Flesh Consumed as well as improvement on some maps. It didn’t get a fourth episode until 1995.

Though I can understand why they decided to rename it to “DOOM (1993)”, to avoid possible confusion on some newcomers between DOOM from 2016 and DOOM from 1993.

[pearl osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/881879672365940816/1008322639338668032/unknown.png

God I love woof

All boom compat source ports should have this option

It allows transparent walls without forcing you to have transparent lost souls

[azure nimbus]

the graphics options for woof are great

[north estuary]

Sup

[still abyss]

i completed Doom in school lol

[azure nimbus]

luckily for you, there are always more challenges to do in the original levels and more maps have been made since

[still abyss]

yeah lol

[zenith berry]

A Classic DOOM video by Karl Jobst is on YouTube trending.

[north estuary]

Anyone here uses delta touch?

[azure nimbus]

in the latest Karl Jobst video, he says that some wads were so good that id software turned them into official releases. This is true for TNT but he shows footage of plutonia. As far as I remember, plutonia was commissioned, not purchased after the fact.

[hexed escarp]

they made the first 10 maps on their own and then sent them to id and id said they were good and if they could make 22 more they would release it with final doom

[azure nimbus]

I mean I could nitpick if I want that "wads have 1 or more maps" wasn't entirely true. But that's really nitpicky

he says revs have a 25 % chance of firing a homing rocket. Where did he get that number from? Someone talked about it in the comments. doing all that research and explanation, it can be hard to not miss nitpicky things like that

[vast reef]

decino has an explanation

[azure nimbus]

Yeah I know the decino explanation

That revs spawn with a 50 % chance of favoring either type with a 25 % vs 75 % split. And it might switch from pain state. It's reliant on frames count not rng. revs have even length states except pain state(and pain state can interrupt other states). I just wonder where he came up with it. Maybe he watched decino's video and stopped when he got to the first 75 % 25 % stat shown

[vast reef]

that's probably the correct explanation on why he said 25%

[azure nimbus]

me watching every Karl Jobst video and getting sad when he misses a single number

[devout pelican]

hello

[bronze quartz]

anyone else playing doom 2 in multiplayer?

[devout pelican]

yep

[devout pelican]

source port?

[bronze quartz]

Zandronum?

i play in delta touch

[devout pelican]

best off 8 doom ports

[bronze quartz]

Why

I don't understand

[devout pelican]

beans

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/1MqpSScPNdY

[round cipher]

i hate e2m2 with a burning passion

[azure nimbus]

berserk is cool

[vivid vine]

PS1 E2M2 with the Revenants

Well, PS1 revenants are slower. But their missiles always home and the sounds they make are way creepier.

Would have been funny to have the missile traps in N64 play their new cry before they fired

[rugged marsh]

ummm

anyone have some issues with the steam versions of Doom 1 and/or 2?

[pearl osprey]

I've seen many people have issues with it

You probably want to use a source port

[rugged marsh]

while playing either, after a short while, the pauze manu wouldn't open anymore and whenever i pressed the spacebar ('use') i'd hear the menu selection/pistol sound and after like 4 presses it would suddenly put me in either E1M1 (Doom1) or Map1 (D2) as if i'd selected new game in the opening menu

never had this issue before today, normally both games played flawlessly

[pearl osprey]

All you can realistically do is contact ID software and tell them about the bug, in the meantime you can download a source port like GZDoom

[rugged marsh]

what do you think would be the easiest way to contact them?

also is GZDoom the one in which you can look up and down and stuff like that? (bc if so i'd rather stick to the steam versions if they get fixed in the near future)

[pearl osprey]

I am not sure maybe you can find something on their website

[pearl osprey]

Yeah in GZDoom you can look up and down, however you can disable that to make it more like vanilla, or if you want gameplay identical to vanilla use Chocolate Doom (Vanilla Doom that runs moderns computers) or Crispy Doom (Same as chocolate but with quality of life features and higher resolution)

[rugged marsh]

okay thx a lot

[azure nimbus]

Or woof, or dsda. read up on them if you like to choose what works best

[rugged marsh]

alrighty 👌

[dapper flint]

If you're looking for a more vanilla experience like unity then I'd stick to mmjp08s suggestions

[limber mirage]

@gentle compass it might be that it’s a vxtwitter link

[gentle compass]

Ah is that what it is

Ah you know what, I have a youtube upload for the trailer too, I'll do that

[limber mirage]

I can copy paste the deleted info if you want so you don’t have to retype it all

[gentle compass]

There's something classic coming to QuakeCon this year! I'm running a Horde Mode public event using the multiplayer source port Odamex, including an hourlong livestream block on their community Twitch.

Been hard at work the last couple months coordinating the "Hordes of Odamex" project with the Hellforge community, so if you like classic Doom co-op mayhem, it's coming your way next weekend at the QuakeCon discord, and open for anyone to join!

Even put together a lil trailer for ya to whet your appetite~ https://youtu.be/kEKCp_4k9Eo

[gentle compass]

I got it, I'm organized 😉 Thank you for the heads up, though

[limber mirage]

Np

[fluid tinsel]

Is there a client/patch people here like to use to add more options and widescreen support?

[vestal flare]

holy shit highest difficulty final boss in heretic is hard

[vestal flare]

a sourceport sounds like what you're looking for

[fluid tinsel]

I bought it on GoG, looked up and found sourceports, and got overwhelmed by how many there are and have no idea which to use

[vestal flare]

okay so pretty much the 'gold standard' is going to be gzdoom

there ARE others and you should be aware of that

but if in general you're looking for modern play with all the modern comforts

gzdoom is what you want

all you really need to do is download gzdoom, put it all in a folder, drop in your .wad(s) and run it

it's that simple

[pearl osprey]

They don't even have to do that nowadays

[vestal flare]

if you're looking to do mods you can download ZDL too which is sort of a launcher to manage your loadorder

[vestal flare]

really? what do you do now?

[pearl osprey]

GZDoom automatically finds the IWADs

[vestal flare]

oh shit I had no idea

[pearl osprey]

All they gotta do is download GZDoom and run it now

[vestal flare]

but basically yes @fluid tinsel you need to download gzdoom

I can't drop links

go to z doom dot org

[fluid tinsel]

Ok, I'll give it a shot\

While I'm here, what about Doom 2?

[vestal flare]

gzdoom works for basically everything

it will have a selector

[pearl osprey]

Gzdoom runs all the dooms

[vestal flare]

you can even use heretic, hexen, strife, final doom, and more

[fluid tinsel]

Got it

Note to self, get Heretic, Hexen, and Strife later

[vestal flare]

god damn why can I not post pictures or anything in here

it would be really helpful

you can buy the whole heretic/hexen family for $10 as a bundle

very recommended, I'm playing through heretic for the first time and adoring it

[pearl osprey]

You can but you gotta embed

[vestal flare]

how?

I can't send images and I can't send links

[pearl osprey]

Basically send it on a private server or to a friends DM, click open original and grab the link

[vestal flare]

ohhhhhh I get what you mean

[pearl osprey]

Discord links are allowed here, once you post them they get turned into an image

You can also just use imgur

[vestal flare]

@fluid tinsel https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/820086178429665280/1008515686324256828/unknown.png

gzdoom will look something like this

[fluid tinsel]

Already on it. The menu navigation is being weird and w and s just like swap between two of the options on the list, so I'm trying to fix that

[vestal flare]

what do you mean?

[fluid tinsel]

Wait, I'm dumb, I have a mouse

also I think clicking s just cycles through the options on the screen that start with s

[vestal flare]

well it's cool you have a mouse, but I would not recommend putting him near your computer. he may try to bite cables and things

[fluid tinsel]

eyyyy

[fluid tinsel]

Ok so I'm not crazy! In Doom Classic the health bottles did overheal from full! My cousin thought I was weird for assuming that when I first started playing Eternal!

[narrow condor]

Yup. Only stimpacks and medikits won't heal over 100 HP.

[azure nimbus]

and berserk

[narrow condor]

Yeah, good point.

You can still pick up health bonuses at 200 HP but it won't do anything other than count towards total items.

[azure nimbus]

100 % items is more important than any health

[narrow condor]

I can't possibly imagine exiting a level without 100% items. :-P

[royal heron]

tru tru

I feel like doing a slaughtermap today, any recommendations
or I could always just go back to good old go 2 it or Fear from Scythe

[azure nimbus]

scythe2 has slaugher heavy map28 and map30. Just spam gun type maps.

[royal heron]

convenient that I already have scythe 2 in my PWADs folder since I'm also doing a 100% playthrough of it

[azure nimbus]

fractured worlds or sunlust also have slaughterish elements but definitely scyth2's 28 and 30 are unapologetic slaughter

[plain schooner]

Doom 2 remastered Crashes on start up after the intro logos. I've verified game files, deleted and re-downloaded the game, cleared everything to do with the game and it still doesn't work. What do I do to fix it?

[dapper flint]

Have you tried micro slaughter and pocket slaughter yet? Pocket slaughter you can do in one sitting

[royal heron]

`scythe 2's map 28 certainly has a few surprises

doomguys with plasma rifles, heh

[azure nimbus]

what is doom2 "remastered"?

[royal heron]

the Afrits are living hell

[plain schooner]

bethesda port

[narrow condor]

Unity Doom, then. 'Remastered' would be a misnomer.

[narrow condor]

Can't go wrong with Hard Skin River from BTSX. :-)

Hint: Turn on coop monsters for extra difficulty.

[dapper flint]

Yeah unity is definitely far from remasterd

[narrow condor]

If I'm not mistaken, it's only Doom Classic (the Xbox 360/PS3/BFG edition port) in a Unity wrapper.

[royal heron]

i have no idea why the Afrit and mancubi fight is so hard ffs

[narrow condor]

I don't understand how afrits are simultaneously the most hated custom monster and also the most popular one.

[azure nimbus]

the custom binds menu for unity made me cry. why is there a separate bind available for chainsaw?

[narrow condor]

Are there separate keybindings for shotgun and SSG?

[azure nimbus]

no. Neither would have any effect on a vanilla port. Boom does give you the chance to have separate binds for ssg and sg though but unity is not boom supporting.

[royal heron]

"maybe some more lost souls and pain elementals ought to make this map more fun" said no one

just got killed by some afrit homing missiles coming from 100000000 miles away :/

istfg

[dapper flint]

I'm a big fan of Annihilators

[narrow condor]

Ah yeah, I think Eviternity used it appropriately. It certainly beats the category of 'cyberdemon but smaller' monsters.

[dapper flint]

And using them for infighting because of the secondary fire is awesome

[narrow condor]

Haha yeah!

[gentle compass]

Afrits fill a nice airborne monster niche, they're heavy duty mean boys

I love the Deus Vult ones that are super mean with all the manc fireballs and rev rockets

[devout pelican]

Doom rpg

[amber pelican]

I pose a knowledge challenge to all Classic Doom nerds, are you a true fan?, let's find out.

Here are ten Classic Doom related Questions(Oh and by Classic Doom, I'm going to refer to Doom releases up untill the year 1999)

1. When did The Ultimate Doom Release?
2. Name three of Doom's most iconic enemies.
3. Name the original members responsible for Doom's creation.
4. What spec's was required to run Doom?
5. How many Doom games released within the 90's?
6. What enemy is considered the most fleshed out enemy by merit of what it was designed to do and what it actually does?
7. How many levels are there in Doom(1993)?
8. Who is DoomGuy?
9. How many players could Doom support over the Internet?
10. Name EVERY Episode 2 Map name in order of their map number.

If you get EVERY question right congratulations, you are considered a true fan and should be considered an OG for all eternity.

[narrow condor]

This looks like something I'd see in a gaming magazine decades ago.

[amber pelican]

But are you up to the challenge?

[finite crag]

Alr
1993 (doom 2 was in 1994)
Zombieman, shotgunner, imp
John romero tom hall sandy peterson
4 mb ram vga and a floppy disk
Idk what ur trying to say but imma say cyberdemon or icon of sin
4 episode each having 9 maps so 36
B j blaszkowicz (polish names r weird)
4
And idk this one lol

Atleast i think its 4 players it got mixed up with gzdoom multiplayer

[cloud talon]

BJ blazkowitz isnt doomguy and hes american

There are 3 episodes of doom

[finite crag]

Theyre simillar enough ig

But if u think so then thats fine

[cloud talon]

BJ blazkowitz is the guy from wolfenstein

There were 5 doom games released from 1993 up until 2003

[north estuary]

Hello!

[cloud talon]

There was also a one level promotional promotional doom 1/2 wad created by tim wilits

[north estuary]

Is it possible to compile csd3 mod's necessary files to a pk3 file and run it on dtouch?

If so

Idk what files or how

[azure nimbus]

A lot of these are overly opinion based. But I'll go for the objective question. While D1 was released in 1993, it was rereleased for retail purchase in stores as ultdoom in 1995 with the new episode.. I talk about Romero, Peterson, Adrian Carmack, John Carmack, Bobby prince, Tom hall, Tim willits, Shawn Green(though I think he only joined for d2) and oh the woman who owned the building they worked at I forget..

DOS.

depends how you count. Obviously doom1, doom2. but do we count udoom separately? is final doom two games or one? Do we count jaguar and gba and.... def d64 counts. ask again, I think this as a fundamentally categorization question is too subject to opinion.
6. archie I guess but very opinion.
7. 3*9 = 27. no e4 yet.
8. Romero has said that he's meant to be nameless as he's you in the game but he's Flynn Taggart in the comics so whatever.
9. 4
10. honestly no idea.?, containment area, refinery, command control,?, fortress of mystery,?, tower is babbel.
Idk names I just did numbers lol

[azure nimbus]

1993's original release only included the first 3 episodes. it was just DOOM. Ultimate Doom was rereleased in 1995 so it could be sold in stores like d2 was. udoom had an extra episode (and a new switch to access the e1m1 outside)

[unborn vine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iIrg4DM078 this gotta be the best doom soundtrack

[remote field]

i was doing a run yesterday and it made me realise 1 thing. I FUCKING HATE PINKIES 💀 🔫

on nightmare them little shits were everywhere

[azure nimbus]

yeah pinkies were placed knowing that they are a pretty weak monster but then in nightmare they're perhaps the scariest in doom1's regular roster

[unborn vine]

how do i just make my mouse be in the center in gzdoom

so its just like the oringinal

[remote field]

i'd be minding my business through the level then like 6 pinkies out of nowhere lmao

[dim stream]

Modss

Recommend me some that works on freedom

On mobile not pc

Idk if their the same

Thier or there idk I forgor

[narrow condor]

Vanilla pwads without asset replacements should work fine.

[azure nimbus]

all mods that work on doom.wad will work on freedoom phase 1 and vice versa

[narrow condor]

I suppose anything would work, but custom assets would look very wonky.

[zenith berry]

Brutal Doom contains all Doom enemies even if you’re using Freedoom.

[hexed escarp]

does doom have a hardcoded exception that makes ammo pickups max your ammo on map30?

oh nvm there is just a bunch of them stacked

[dapper flint]

Brought to you by IGN

[zenith berry]

The woman? Is it Donna Jackson? She is one of the only remaining classic Doom-era staff still at id today, second being Kevin Cloud.

[azure nimbus]

Yes Donna

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/gO_OLyE_UFg

[azure nimbus]

any ideas for something more or less eviternity level challenging with modified weapons / enemies

[spice radish]

Alright lemme try
1.1995
2. Imp, Pinky, and Cacodemon
3. John Carmack, John Romero, Adrian Carmack, Sandy Peterson, Tom Hall, American McGee. (Those where off the top of my head)
4.idk
5.Doom, Doom II, Final Doom, The Ultimate Doom, and Master Levels For Doom II
6. idk the fucking Lost Soul
7.30
8. Protagonist of the games, BJ Blazkowicz the 3rd. A space marine
9.dunno
10.idk

All of it was off the top of my head so I know I missed a ton

[vital knoll]

Nope. No one here ever has any ideas. Ever.

[dapper flint]

I'm going to finish eviternity bur just going to do it solo net now that I'm on gz for some spice

[ornate vortex]

1. 1995 since ultimate includes thy flesh consumed
2. Imp, Cacodemon, Revenant
3. John Carmack, John Romero, Sandy Peterson, Tom Hall
4. No clue, i'm not an expert in that
5. Doom, Doom II, Ultimate Doom, Final Doom, Master Levels and Doom 64 (so 6)
6. Probably the imp
7. 27
8. Some random man
9. 4 players
10. Shores of Hell is probably the most forgettable episode in ultimate doom for me, so no clue

probably very off

[azure peak]

i cant

[radiant isle]

You can buy doom classic for 2 dollars on the switch

[jade solstice]

Any particular reason why the unity port of DOOM disconnects from Bethesda net regularly lately
Causes glitchy menuing whenever it disconnects and I have to reconnect to fix it

Maybe better for #community-support - wasn’t sure

[jade solstice]

That’s a steal - especially doom 1 IMO

[finite crag]

https://youtu.be/qQXp8I1jlGU

[finite crag]

Why the hell did my video get copyrighted

Ita just raw footage of doom

[dapper flint]

That's pretty weird

[devout pelican]

Should I play Doom shareware 666 times?

[broken elk]

hey can anyone fix the croped screen on OG doom 2 steam

and yes i do use GZdoom

i still want the OG game

[broken elk]

yes

[fair cipher]

Ok, I discovered something on doom 2 in master level 4. This may be a very rare bug. When I was going through a door, it sent me to the first mission of the main campaign

Is this an Easter egg or a bug

[halcyon willow]

if you're using gzdoom then you're not using steam

[broken elk]

no i meant i use it sometimes, i mean pressing play and going to "doom 2 (original)"

and i dont mean when you alt tab and go back to dosbox so that its just a small 5 pixel window

[broken elk]

any solutions?

k then

[azure nimbus]

sorry there are very few people who know how to use dosbox anymore

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I845O57ZSy4 new Carmack interview. It is 5 h so it's a lot

[azure nimbus]

lmao I got that too. I think unity port is just dumb

[broken elk]

teach me great dosgod

[vast reef]

get woof or dsda-doom

actually it would be better to recommend crispy doom, forgot about that for a bit

crispy doom behaves identically to the original game but with an optional higher resolution

in fact, its demos are compatible with the og doom exe file

[broken elk]

cool

[marsh snow]

i just got doom 1993 off steam bc im lazy lmao

[zenith berry]

Money well spent 😄

[vast reef]

playing it on dosbox actually takes more work than chocolate/crispy doom lmao

[marsh snow]

yeah idek how to use stuff like crispy doom chocolate doom and those things allthough there is alternate options and i think one says dos or smth when your launching the game

its like Normal steam 1993 doom then Dos version or smth and Dos version (with classic controls)

[vast reef]

they're really really easy

they're WAY easier to use than dosbox

[marsh snow]

uhm

[vast reef]

you put your doom.wad file in the folder

then double click on the .exe file

[marsh snow]

ok but is it easier then just buying doom off steam and launching it from there-

[vast reef]

yes

configuring stuff and fixing things is so much easier

[marsh snow]

easier then litterally 2/3 clicks

uh

o k but do i still have to pay for it even tho i bought it

[vast reef]

it can be 1 click if it's on your taskbar
2 if it's on your desktop

[vast reef]

no, not at all

[marsh snow]

so its free

[vast reef]

yes

[marsh snow]

wh-

[vast reef]

but it needs your game file

that you paid for

the doom.wad file that has the levels and graphics

[marsh snow]

so i get steam doom then i give the crispy crunchy munchy versions the file and then it runs the full game?

[vast reef]

yes

[marsh snow]

wow

[vast reef]

that's it

and with gzdoom you don't even have to give it the file

it finds it for you

[marsh snow]

i also wanna learn how to mod doom without using bethedsa.net

[vast reef]

oh then use gzdoom

[marsh snow]

so i just download gzdoom and it finds the file for me and its moddable without being a bit tricky?

[vast reef]

it's for mods, but it has stuff like looking up and jumping and it also has a bit of input lag if you're on a weak PC

[vast reef]

it's super easy
you just drag your mod file and drop it onto the gzdoom.exe file

https://youtu.be/34HfmGvUJIM
this gets sent a lot for good reason

[marsh snow]

poggers

so everybody who has these un-pirated versions of doom has bought it off steam and has paid for it once and its easier to mod and you can have up and down looking settings and jump-

ok alr ima watch the vid

i actually just found the gzdoom website i think???

[vast reef]

zdoom.org

[vast reef]

the doom community is awesome, yes

[marsh snow]

ok ima get the wad somewhere rememberable like the vid says uh hold on

[marsh snow]

ive been looking into doom modding and speedruns past years but i never bought the game

[marsh snow]

i am on a deep fried 2015 lenovo thinkpad laptop or a mac but the mac dont have michealsoft binbows yet

[marsh snow]

uhm what do i use

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/LG6-giqX54M

[fierce vigil]

The originals 🤌

[limpid zinc]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/750325966936473600/1008968135803682846/unknown.png?width=1170&height=658

Doom with rtx looks so good

[dapper flint]

Seriously yeah. I'd love to see rtx psx doom

[vocal summit]

is it just me or does the mancubus pain sound just sound like a really slowed down cat meow

[rigid galleon]

Idk

[halcyon willow]

I'm not sure 'good' is quite the right word. It certainly looks different

[pearl osprey]

I really wish they shipped it with a custom mapset

because og doom doesn't really have light sources

Only sector brightness

it would've looked stunning

[gentle compass]

It definitely can be applied well, and it has a nice coat of glossy goodness to the effect, but it more reminds me of the Doomsday dynamic lights and 3d model features, it’s all about implementation and using it effectively in a mapset

[azure nimbus]

obviously it's best to haphazardly apply rtx to things not designed for it

[marsh snow]

i feel like most people here that dont have any role are just here for the classic doom community

[sturdy laurel]

One of the Mancubus sounds is actually derived from a pig squealing, albeit slowed down heavily. Rather appropriate, I think.

[azure nimbus]

#doom-eternal is far more active. Do they actually talk about the game? Not always

[sterile raven]

I just played a featured addon, where the creator felt like spawning 5 archviles in the same room

what is the best way to kill archviles?

[dapper flint]

Depends on what weapon you have

Or don't have

[gentle compass]

Depends on what’s around you more often than not, plasma is great for pain stunning them, a few point blank SSG blasts will work too, but best? BFG em and get close so the tracers shred them, good way to take them off the board fast and nuke whatever they were bringing back

Multiple Archies? Just gotta get em on one side of hard cover so you can weed em out, they’re nasty

[vital knoll]

How's Anomaly?

[azure nimbus]

Viles having such a deliberate attack and weird infighting properties means that there are interesting rhythms to play against them with every weapon. Except perhaps the shotgun?

[dapper flint]

Pretty good actually

[vocal summit]

#doom-eternal is what you'd expect from the nudoom community

constant "slayer" usernames and saying doom eternal is the best game ever

[dapper flint]

Unable to play eternal because they need constant content and have never heard of replaying a game they like

[royal heron]

I'm pretty sure it's actually a pig iirc from decino's video

[azure nimbus]

I really don't think that #doom-eternal issues are because "new doom" or anything so much as it's just the most recent one so has the most people and moderating that number of people is really hard

[vast reef]

gzdoom

[marsh snow]

i meant like ultimate doom or other one

[cloud talon]

What does this mean?

[marsh snow]

nothing

[slim willow]

99.9% of people play Ultimate Doom or a rerelease based on Ultimate Doom

[cloud talon]

Itd be harder to get 1993 doom

[marsh snow]

buy off steam-?

[cloud talon]

Thats ultimate doom

[marsh snow]

the newer doom games cant run on my poopoo potato laptop and unlike cheap older doom games which can be more fun in some cases and new ones are like expensive af in australia

i think doom eternal was like $70.89 AU yesterday and the game came out like 2 years ago

gran turismo prices are just the most insane for a newer game one time i was looking through the playstation store and i saw a new gran turismo 7 or whatever its up to being on discount to $111.99 and usually it would be like $120.99 or smth

[cloud talon]

Holy shit you actually have no idea about anything in doom eternal

[azure nimbus]

what? his only claim was that sometimes the classics are no fun and that it's expensive there

[cloud talon]

Something from another chat

[azure nimbus]

well, only some 30 people know anything about it anyway

[cloud talon]

In another chat they were talking about how doom eternal had no gore and was very easy

[halcyon willow]

And we care because?

[stable tundra]

The snes Doom soundtrack was cool!

[sterile raven]

I have every weapon besides the BFG

Haven't progressed to the point where I get it yet

[vital knoll]

Fart

[spice radish]

Ah Revenant is a good one

[spice radish]

only good thing about the SNES port

[radiant isle]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doot-doot-skeleton-trumpet-e1m1-gif-25528371

[dapper flint]

Then use rockets if you have range and ssg if they get close

[vale gyro]

It’s official: I am better at soft locking doom than actually not dying

Because I SOMEHOW ACCIDENTALLY SAVED ON A TELEPORTER THAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF A CYBERDEMON

[narrow condor]

It's not a lock if you can get a game over. ;-P

[vale gyro]

Fair point

But as in a savescummer standpoint

And now, I got so bad of RNG that every imp takes 2 shots to kill with the shotgun on HMP

[narrow condor]

Have you tried Snake Eyes Doom?

[vale gyro]

nope

I don’t even think I can try that, I only have Ultimate Doom

[narrow condor]

Ah

[potent comet]

ey lads i have big problem

i cant type the cheatss in the enhanced versions of doom

what do

[vale gyro]

what version are you even talking about? Kinda lost my mind here

[potent comet]

the unity source port

[narrow condor]

Have you tried the console?

[potent comet]

the wwhat?

[vale gyro]

When did Unity have a console?

In fact, when did doom have a console?!

Outside of GZDoom

[potent comet]

im talking about the "remastered" doom 1 and 2 ports

the official source ports

[vale gyro]

I don’t consider them remasters but

[narrow condor]

Oh, the Unity port doesn't have one, does it?

[vale gyro]

There is a menu somewhere that allows you to select some of the cheats

[narrow condor]

I'm too used to every game having one.

[vale gyro]

nope

[potent comet]

i knoww but i remember being able to type the cheats as well

[vale gyro]

But what mode are you playing on?

[potent comet]

ultra violence

in an add on

[vale gyro]

ok

try it base game

and see if that works

you could also be typing it in wrong

[potent comet]

it works in the steam version

but not in the gog version

wat le chuck

[vale gyro]

strange

gog uses dosbox if I’m correct?

Off topic, but just to get through E4M6, I have had to save scum so far

I’ve had to save scum less in sigil so far

[potent comet]

the gog version has both thee remaster and the originaal

[vale gyro]

anyways, back on track

[vale gyro]

hmm

they are using the same things as steam though

no change

[potent comet]

it says version 1.0

[vale gyro]

…

[potent comet]

Im thinking the twats at gog have the wrong version

[vale gyro]

1.0?!

try IDDQD

That should work in that old of a version

[potent comet]

iddqd no work boss

[vale gyro]

IDBEHOLDV?

[spice radish]

So is the Cyberdemon like infinitely telefragging you or something

[vale gyro]

nope

[potent comet]

nope

[vale gyro]

kept getting blasted

[vale gyro]

damn, try the unity port

Because the Unity port uses 1.9

[potent comet]

I am using the unity port

[vale gyro]

wth

[potent comet]

I think gog has the outdated version

[vale gyro]

the thing is

[potent comet]

just great

First cult of the lamb hass troubles updating on gog

[vale gyro]

The Unity Port always used the 1.9 version of doom

[potent comet]

I'm talking about the version of the unity port

unity port is 1.0

not the doom wad

[vale gyro]

wth

I found this:

Cheat codes are only available and accessible via the Options menu

[potent comet]

but i was able to type the cheats in the steam version

of the unity port

[vale gyro]

..

I can’t help you then

[potent comet]

its times like these i hate gog

one job. one job

and they sstill fuck it up

[vale gyro]

I would say just use a source port

People can make better ports than Bethesda

[spice radish]

Yeah the Unity Port has that mostly for console players I believe. They don’t even have ones like idclip though which is a shame

[vale gyro]

yea

Also, how do I kill the cyberdemon in E4M6 with the BFG, can’t do the 2 shot kill at all

And I die before I can turn the corner

And yes, I’m save scumming. I’m getting sick of restarting Episode 4 maps 50 times over

[spice radish]

The BFG thing is just RNG I’m pretty sure. If you have the plasma to spare just keep shooting him and try to avoid as much damage as possible (perhaps try shooting from afar) if you don’t have the plasma you’ll just have to default to the Chaingun or Rocket Launcher

[vale gyro]

I barely have any ammo for any weapon

I’m kinda fucked

[spice radish]

You are. If you run out of everything as horrible as it sounds like you might have to just punch it to death if you don’t have a chainsaw yet.

[vale gyro]

I die before I can turn the corner

So thats not an option

The limited amount of armor in Episode 4 is insane

I hate Episode 4 so far

Just. Hate. It

OH COME ON

I DIED AS SOON AS I KILLED IT

[spice radish]

Damn. Hope you have earlier saves cause otherwise you either restart the level or (I don’t recommend this) cheat

[vale gyro]

I have 100 health

No eailer saves

And I’m fucking done restarting

I’ve restarted this level over 50 times alone

[spice radish]

I beat it on UV with save scumming. It’s super difficult yeah but when you beat it all it’s super rewarding feeling

[vale gyro]

I died to my own BFG, what the hell

[spice radish]

That’s not possible

Unless theirs a super obscure glitch or something

[vale gyro]

Well

I shot the wall with my BFG, behind cover, the cyberdemon unalerted

Unless I got unlucky with a leaky suit

I just want this shitty level done with..

[spice radish]

RNG is not being kind to you

[vale gyro]

It never is

I once got both a BS fireball and a leaky radiation suit pretty much at once

[azure nimbus]

explore the level. there is an invuln. For what it's worth, the bfg isn't all that rng dependent because essentially law of large numbers/bell curve. you can expect about 3k damage each time

[vale gyro]

thank you

I forgot about the invuln

that took me 10 fucking minutes to complete

[azure nimbus]

With a berserk, you have 10 possible damage outputs and they are all weighted equally. imagine a die with 6 faces. all are equally likely. but with 2 dice, 7 is the most likely outcome as it cab be reached in the most ways. 2 only has one way to get it. with day 40*15 + 1 dice(the number of rng calls that a bfg uses in damage calculation(more for blood splatter and projectile sprite offset), it oddly becomes more predictable.

there are a bunch of cqc cybers in e4 who are either a pain or easy if you know the layout. that's Romero

[vale gyro]

Ok

Now a new level, E4M7

So far, it’s been kinda BS

when was it possible for a shotgunner to take your health from 100 to 24 in one shot with mega armor on?!

No what

I must ask why Episode 4 is such bullshit at times?

I’m just done, I can’t even get past the first enemies without having only 5 HP left on HMP

It’s not even fun at this point

The only thing good about this is the design of some of the levels

And now a shotgunner took 3 shotgun shots to take out

RNG hates me

[azure nimbus]

rng isn't hating you here. You're doing some insane calculations. Max damage from a shotgunner is 45. ceil(45/2) = 23. You will never take 76 damage to your health even without armor from one. Same for shotgunning the shotgunner. They will die in a single blast 100 % of the time. Even if you get all 5 rolls (idk if that's even possible), that's still 35 damage which is more health than he has. My guess is that you had blockmap bug

[graceful scarab]

Just finished doing a map with ultimate doom builder (whatever it called) and it kinda looks bad,since it's my first map,but it okay. I kinda just added a shotgun to the door,then next the door a couple of imps and some barrels,then i added a secret pathway to get the chainsaw. what should I "improve"?

like,with map layers,how much it must be big..like,some tips to get good at making doom maps.

[pearl osprey]

You can upload the map in #classic-doom-maps-mods

If someone got free time maybe they could check it out

[graceful scarab]

oh,okay

[vale gyro]

Ok, I feel bad for using IDDQD to get me back to 100 health, but my keyboard bugged out for a sec and kept making me moving to a crusher

So I said “screw it” and once the crusher was not crushing me, I got myself back to 100 HP, and I call it kinda fair as I was at 130 before and it was not even my input that caused that

still died to an imp afterwards anyways

[dapper flint]

An imp?.. damn lol

[vale gyro]

yep, thats my luck in a nutshell

[royal heron]

you can just save, no shame in doing so

once you get better, you can revisit and set a limit to how many times you can save until you do it saveless

[royal heron]

I'll check the map out

[vale gyro]

I also cannot believe I find UV impossible for me

even on E1M1

to an extent

this is why I only play on HMP or lower

as I straight up cannot even get a few shots in while playing UV

Ok, what is wrong with me right now

I cannot even complete E3M1 on HMP

[vivid vine]

UV is pretty easy

[vale gyro]

Never been able to complete a single level on UV

HMP is already hard enough for me

[vale gyro]

Except when I somehow did E2M8 on UV

[vivid vine]

Ive done the Doom 1 maps pistol start fast monsters

Dropped fast monsters and now I just pistol start everything

[vale gyro]

I can’t even beat E1M1 above 30% health on HMP now

What is up with me damnit!

I’ve just gotten worse

[vivid vine]

Nothing beats practice. I'm not even particularly good at Doom but I manage.

May as well start practicing UV

[vale gyro]

I used to be able to play HMP easily

But today, I can’t do shit

That damn curse of the longer I do something, the worse I get is coming back

[vivid vine]

You know the best thing about pistol starts is it doesnt matter how you end a map, you have 100 health and 50 bullets in the next

[vale gyro]

I’ve been unable to do pistol starts for a while now

I keep dying instantly

Guess I should just stop, need a break I think

[potent comet]

gonna try this again but does anybody here know why the unity ports of doom 1 and 2 dont let me type cheats if its the gog version but do let me type cheats if its the steam version

[limber mirage]

Difference in version

Steam allows you to have both the original and unity ports

Steams unity port as far as i know has the cheats if you hit start

[potent comet]

both gog and steam have the unity portss

[azure nimbus]

only a few though

unity doesn't have idclip

[potent comet]

it does have idclip

the update in september lets you noww type cheats in

either wway point is the unity ports on steam let me type the cheats wwhereas the ports on gog don't

thats all i wanna know

[vale gyro]

Old version ig

[potent comet]

thats what i think too

[vale gyro]

Even then, why would you use the unity port if your buying it from gog

[azure nimbus]

Can you get a screenshot? Or what version are you using exactly? I mean the version from steam called DOOM II (Classic).

I checked just now and mine does not

[potent comet]

you have to type it in

its not in the menu of cheats

[vale gyro]

he was talking about the menu of cheats

[potent comet]

thats only in the official source ports

its under opitions

[azure nimbus]

that doesn't work either. What version exactly are you using

[potent comet]

the enhanced versions of doom

the ones with the addon system

[azure nimbus]

GOG or steam?

[vale gyro]

he has said gog like 50 times

[potent comet]

the enhanced versions of doom can be bought on steam or gog

[vale gyro]

I would say that unofficial source ports are more enhanced

[potent comet]

lets not make this more complicated

point is, the one on ssteam can let you type the old cheat codes

the one on gog can't

[vale gyro]

simple
different versions

[limber mirage]

GOG old and sucks anyways, it’s just a paid archive website with outdated ports of games

[vale gyro]

Gog, just like steam, is a seller

It only sells what is given to them

[limber mirage]

And that would be drum roll
Outdated ports of games

Although I’m sure regardless of version tossing them into a source port will fix everything

[vale gyro]

hmm yes. Source ports

The answer to any problem relating to doom

[limpid zinc]

A big plus to it is that the games are DRM-free which means once you have the installer downloaded you will never lose the ability to play the game

[vivid vine]

it has old pc games you wouldn't find on Steam

[sturdy laurel]

This. So much this. You don't need to install an external launcher either to run GOG games. Galaxy is merely optional.

[gusty falcon]

Although as far as classic doom is concerned as long as you have the wads from the install your ability to play the game can never truly be revoked

[jade solstice]

Bout to look at a guide- hate doing it but can’t figure out what to do next on Plutonia map 29

I have all 3 keys. Idk how to get to the blue door area, and I also see there’s another door with what is either a lift or collapsed staircase, but idk how to activate that either
I hit the switch behind yellow door but bleh, idk what it did
Unless that unlocked the door for blue key

“Learn to strafe run better”

Ah yes. I should’ve known.

[vale gyro]

Yep

Both if your saying before I start moving and as well before booting up the game

And yes, my comedy is dry

But really, I find UV impossible on most episodes/maps

[jade solstice]

Random question

Do people pre record gameplay footage for their main menu intros or do they fabricate an AI
Or both

[narrow condor]

They're just regular demos that are built into the wad.

[halcyon willow]

You mean the clips that play during the menu?

Recorded demos

You can add your own to a custom wad

[narrow condor]

Not sure if anyone bothered to make a player AI for single-player Doom but I think it would make for pretty sucky demos to showcase the wad.

[halcyon willow]

It'd be an interesting experiment

[dapper flint]

Who heres tried the vox mod yet

[slim willow]

i rather enjoy gog :(

[limber mirage]

I have ascended into the world of source ports

[vale gyro]

as in voxels?

If it’s the one I’m thinking of, I’ve been wanting to try it

[dapper flint]

That's the one

[vale gyro]

Well shit, I need to download it when I have time

ZDoom mod?

Can’t remember but assuming it is as it’s 3D

[dapper flint]

you'll need gz

[vale gyro]

Good

Got that installed, one of the very few source ports I have used (Crispy and GZDoom are actually the only source ports I’ve ever used)

[dapper flint]

I stick to gz and eternity personally. Everyone should have gz though

[vale gyro]

I stick to crispy as after looking over source ports it has everything I need, which was just a limit removing near vanilla source port

I can find the demo timer and colored blood kinda useful though

I only got crispy for sigil tbh

and I still have not played sigil in a while

[halcyon willow]

[somber jetty]

can i use doom 1993 for doom brutal mod

[narrow condor]

Nope. Brutal Doom only works on GZDoom and Zandronum.

[azure nimbus]

yes. doom1 is compat but you'll need a gz port. do you know how to set up sourceports

[narrow condor]

I assumed they meant the original DOS release. 😅

[azure nimbus]

doom (1993) is what the steam build calls ultimate doom. My guess is that they mean ultimate doom and might not release that ports exist and that they technically play on a port

[cloud talon]

Yes that would be because it is the ultimate doom

[azure nimbus]

Right...what I mean is that someone asking about doom "1993" might only have played the steam version and not have played on sourceports or dos, or have dealt with the IWADS. Those people tend to say things like doom1, or ultimate doom

[fair cipher]

This was on the Xbox one port

[azure nimbus]

yeah. I don't know how much it's the port's fault or on the ML's construction. I'm gonna see if the wiki says anything about it

nothing is mentioned for bugs. At the end of the day, the MLs are a combination of 1994 shovelware, deathmatch maps, and a couple decent maps like the black tower. Nothing crazy

[somber jetty]

no i dont

[vast reef]

they are easy

with gzdoom, you just have to double click the .exe file

[azure nimbus]

There are a bunch of guides online, but the way that I do it is: download a version of ZDL(I like 3-1.1), and a version of GZdoom from the zdoom website. Right click on your doom 1993 game(or doom II). Go to manage, then local files. Pull the doom.wad or doom2.wad files and put them in the same folder as your unzipped ZDL (the launcher for most doom ports) and GZdoom(the port/engine which works for brutal doom). Then in ZDL, select the files from your folder: namely gzdoom and doom.wad in this case. From there, you would have the game working on a port outside of steam. Then you can download stuff online and have your ZDL grab it like we did for GZdoom and doom.wad.

[vast reef]

to run a mod, you drag the file onto the said .exe file

you can also just double click the mod file and when your OS (i'm assuming windows) says to select a program to open it with, just choose the gzdoom.exe file

[somber jetty]

thanks. i never mod any game before except WH40K Space Marine so idk much about modding

[zenith berry]

I played on various source ports including Doom95 and the stock Bethesda release, played the 1.1 Shareware on DOSBox, and I still refer it either as the original DOOM or DOOM 1993.

[dapper flint]

Zdl is super useful for quickly switching ports adding all the wads or mods and quickly removing or adding them. I really recommend it

[dapper flint]

New unity add on released

[limber mirage]

Nope it stopped working for no reason and now I quit

[vocal summit]

the pain sound?

that's the firing sound if i'm not mistaken

[dapper flint]

For now

[vocal summit]

what was the crash

[limber mirage]

No crash

Gzdoom won’t recognize mods or wads

[vocal summit]

yes it will

it should at least

[spice radish]

Saw an article by I think PCGamer about it but haven’t tried it out yet. Is it any good?

[vocal summit]

yes

[vast reef]

i didn't think voxels would look good in doom at first

but man this stuff looks solid

i wonder if we can get a smooth version if we beg cheello hard enough

[vast reef]

main reason i'll use it is for when i play with mouselook

[dapper flint]

Excited to see his doom 2 models

[vast reef]

yes

[limpid zinc]

You’re supposed to use command line arguments to pass the pwads into it, drag and dropping doesn’t work if you have more than one pwad to use and the order in which it loads them matters

[azure nimbus]

Or ZDL. I never really figured out drag and drop. Huge proponent of ZDL. It neatly categorizes all of my stuff

[vivid vine]

Drag and dropping still works with multiple, you just hold ctrl

And do it in the right order

Although apparently the deck just doesnt like GZDoom which is his issue

[azure nimbus]

how would you record demos that way?

obviously, you're rarely recording demos on gz. But say another engine

[vivid vine]

Why would I record demos with GZDoom

[azure nimbus]

#classic-doom message (I don't mean to be pretentious. Just could've missed it cuz we sent at about the same time and mine was not at the bottom so very missable)

[limber mirage]

ZDL didn’t work either

[limber mirage]

Dragging and dropping worked once and that was it

All I was loading was 1 mod with the base doom 2 iwad

[halcyon willow]

Stop breaking things bob

[limber mirage]

I give up nothing I do fixes it

[devout pelican]

where do I get no rest for the living wad?

[azure nimbus]

it comes with bfg edition

[devout pelican]

For the xbox 360 or the og xbox

[azure nimbus]

I think either. Comes with unity/steam/xb1 too iirc

[dapper flint]

Don't give up let me touch you

I mean help you

[pearl osprey]

Don't touch da goat

[grave flower]

Sunlust map18 down \o/

[devout pelican]

yepy

[glass perch]

i like doom

[fallen edge]

the doom 1 ending was the biggest troll of all time

[ornate vortex]

God help, im on 365 attempts for speedrunning rush map02

[halcyon willow]

Welcome to speedrunning, enjoy your stay

[ornate vortex]

i am happy to be welcomed, however i’d say over 30% of those attempts died to bad rolls of the dice

[jade solstice]

Yes - thanks for answering, was always curious

Can the standard shotty 1 shot lost souls consistently (if all pellets land) - or is it pretty rare

[azure nimbus]

very rare. 1/256 or so

[jade solstice]

Hmmmm
Do they lower the health of lost souls in Earthless
Or did I just have super good RNG then

Got 2 back to back and then got like 1 or 2 more after 1 not
Just felt odd lol

Nah surely they didn’t. That would just be so random
I’ll count it on extremely lucky RNG

[dapper flint]

There's a mod for that 👻

[jade solstice]

Ye I was just curious on a base status though

There’s a mod for pretty much anything

[dapper flint]

No way

[jade solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/yup-uhuh-duh-ryan-reynolds-gif-17994133

[dapper flint]

Wow. Thanks for the news

[jade solstice]

You’re welcome. I’m just sharing the news in exchange for your valuable news

[dapper flint]

That's great.

[jade solstice]

yeah anyway..
The last like 5 levels of plutonia made me want to cri on UV

[dapper flint]

Go2it

Wow plutonia. I should check that out

Never heard of it

[jade solstice]

Is there a particular reason why you’re passive aggressive AF sometimes for 0 reason

You’re super chill one moment, then like an inner troll in you activates other moments

This ain’t the first time you’ve been like this, and it’s kinda annoying not gonna lie
Just trying to chat about doom and you’re throwing unwelcoming vibes

[dapper flint]

Harsh vibes are harsh

[twin glade]

the games are on discount, just bough doom 1993 for 1,99€, im so happy to try it out on the switch!

[jade solstice]

1993 is my fav of the older series - such a steal

Have you played them before or you’re just trying them on switch

[twin glade]

played them before.. but i always loved the portability of the switch, so here i am, spending money again on the same game but for a different platform, using sum money i had left in my account

(also sorry for my bad english, it is not my primary language)

[jade solstice]

Your English seems fine to me

The console ports come with the official WADs they add- and doom 1 comes with pretty much all of them so, you’ll get your $ worth 🙂

[slim willow]

yeah dude your english is great!

[vale gyro]

Every time I see this notice, the person has good English

Anyways, ima go back to being stressed

[slim willow]

anxiety?

[vale gyro]

Nope, just something else. Though my family does have a history of anxiety so I could have it, but in this case I know it’s not

[twin glade]

hey, the game is cool and all but, is it there a free-look option? it's just kinda weird to play like this

[vale gyro]

Switch uses the Unity Port, so no

[twin glade]

oh, it's fine

nvm

[vale gyro]

To be honest, I kinda hate freelook

In classic doom at least

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWU8t0CpNQA for the new voxel mod, this video does a good job explaining it for the dum dum newbie level I was at with it. I didn't understand how they differ from regular graphics.

[rapid pulsar]

man why people think texture filtering so bad
it looks kinda good tbh its just a different aesthetic it doesnt look any worse

[fallen edge]

it looks good on 3d models

[rapid pulsar]

well yeah probably (havent seen it) but it also doesnt even look that bad on the sprites?

i personally like how the muzzles flashes for the zombieman and such look
the diamond shape it creates

but thats not it though it doesnt even look bad

[wooden cargo]

Why do I lose my ssg and when I die in doom 2

[fallen edge]

do you lose all your weapons or just the SSG only?

[azure nimbus]

in classic doom, when you die, you have the option of restarting the map with 100 health and a pistol loaded with 50 bullets: A pistol start. Many players, including myself, play every map this way. If you don't want to play this way, use the built in save system, @fallen edge

[fallen edge]

i know about pistol starting but i was gonna finish the sentence by saying "load your latest save file"

[wooden cargo]

Hm I think like most of them. I'm on the third level btw and I died to this invisible pinky I think and I lost most of my stuff yeah

[wooden cargo]

How do you get your weapons back then?

[azure nimbus]

either with saves and loads, or you'll have to recollect items throughout the map. Like you can regain a shotgun in map03 as well as armor. But that's finding a new weapon to replace it. It's not like you can find your old gear in a backpack on the level like quake multiplayer

[wooden cargo]

My brain reading that

[azure nimbus]

most levels are designed for pistol start anyway so you should be able to hold your own

Sandy Peterson, the level designer for most of doom2, always tested pistol start.

[wooden cargo]

Ah ok well so map 3 has a specific spot where you get a new ssg or smth

[azure nimbus]

map03 doesn't have an ssg unfortunately

but the spirit of what you mean, that items are found in specific locations based on the map and not where you died is true

[dapper flint]

This one's done right doesn't take away from the original aesthetic. That's why

[timber cargo]

I could buy these games, or I could just use the wads I got with doom 3, though they are slightly censored lol

[hexed escarp]

The bfg edition wads should be fine for just playing them and they are compatible with most source ports, but if you want to play some community made pwads you might have some slight issues

[timber cargo]

Yeah I mean most of the mods I have seem to work fine I guess

I just don't know how I feel about buying the same games multiple times

Though it's like 2 dollars lol

[finite crag]

How do you play co op?

[azure nimbus]

The steam and console ports are local coop only. If you want to play coop online, there are tutorials for odamex and zandronum online. Woof also supports coop but I've never tried it myself

[finite crag]

Ok thank you

[limber mirage]

I am now one with the mods and wads

[spice radish]

nice

[vale gyro]

chocolate and crispy kinda have online co-op

[fickle adder]

Ben and Jerry’s doom

[dapper flint]

Happy Bob is a good bib

[tawny drum]

I play the project brutality mod

[pearl osprey]

https://youtu.be/9-S7BBQ5YsI

3D models for doom that don't look like utter garbage

[vocal summit]

at some angles they look pretty weird

[pearl osprey]

This is a high quality mod

[dapper flint]

Doomsday but not ass shit

[pearl osprey]

Voxels are perfect for doom's art style

[vocal summit]

like the zombiemen look too "fat" i guess?

they're too thick

idk how to say it

[pearl osprey]

wide?

[dapper flint]

It's neat but I don't see myself trying it

I can see the wide thing too

[pearl osprey]

Yeah I will always play vanilla/boom/mbf only but it's nice seeing people make cool mods like this

[vocal summit]

im pretty divided on the look of the voxels https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/663900562269405185/1009548319925743657/Screenshot_2022-08-17-10-03-16-604_com.opentouchgaming.deltatouch.jpg

like they look really good but not quite perfect

[dapper flint]

Exactly. Seeing new things in the community even though I probably won't try them still makes me happy

[vocal summit]

in this case you definetly should

[vale gyro]

Doom 2 is on sale for 1.24

[dapper flint]

I always play around with random things but I like my classic the way I like it

[vocal summit]

unless you hate gzdoom so much you avoid it at all costs

[vale gyro]

I do not even have 1 cent

[dapper flint]

I actually stick to gz now. Runs better on my new pc

[vale gyro]

is sad

[dapper flint]

Been playing psxce all day

[vocal summit]

you should try duckstation

[vale gyro]

friend loaned moneh

[vale gyro]

Ok, I tried TNT and it’s harder than I thought

Getting killed from nowhere on the second level

[vocal summit]

tnt is easy

and good

[vale gyro]

Its hard for me

But I find it fun so far

liked the first level tbh

Getting some BS deaths here and there on the second level, I like the design though

Still hate Episode 4 tho

But anyways

Anyone played Back to Basics?

megawad for ultimate doom

First megawad I played and I kinda have liked it so far (still have not finished it)

Replaces either episode 2 or 3

[royal heron]

No

[azure nimbus]

wonder if the rl should've been introduced later in e2 and the plasma in e1(and switch 5,6 keys). the rl is stronger but has more significant drawbacks.it's really just which should get higher billing

[vale gyro]

how get red key in map4

[azure nimbus]

||step on the box next to the switch. The switch itself just turns the lights off in the previous hallway||

[vast reef]

the only reason i sometimes play with it is to get that janky 2015 doom mod video aesthetic (usually playing complex doom with addons or DRLA)

most sprites look awful with linear filtering except for maybe the cyberdemon or spider mastermind

[fierce vigil]

Absolutely badass game

Loved the feel

[vale gyro]

Ok

I may be a vanilla person who likes pixels

but crispy doom’s brightmaps kinda looks good

so it’s one of the few non-vanilla options I have on

[vale gyro]

well, all brightmap does is add some light

Also I did turn on smooth lighting..

Pixels are staying tho

[vale gyro]

Oh yea, forgot to say thank you

[vast reef]

does that smooth out light sectors

[vale gyro]

I have not seen a difference yet

I think its for when light enters a dark room through a door

I think I’m weird because I’ll allow brightmaps and smooth lighting

and randomly flipped corpses

but not the high resolution of uncapped framerate

of crispy

[vast reef]

nope, you aren't weird

i don't like high res either, the highest resolution i'll ever accept is 720x450

but i love randomly flipped corpses

i also quite like brightmaps

[trim lagoon]

found out about the whole steam consolidation thing (how did i even miss it)

more could have been done, like putting doom 1 and 2 together and adding the bfg-exclusive episode that really shouldn't be exclusive to the bfg edition

but its still a cool thing to do

another cool thing they could have done is put bfg and doom 3 together

allow all changes of bfg to be disabled

[vale gyro]

I do use widescreen tbh, but not high res textures

[vale gyro]

From what little I read and understand from your question, I say mess with the resolution in the config file

[broken elk]

cool

69K here i go