classic-doom

[vast reef]

chocolate doom can run i think

oh you don't want it

source ports aren't hard at all though

[azure nimbus]

DSDA doom can run high res and widescreen as well as full demo compat for vanilla gameplay. Woof can also run high res but not as high as DSDA. Woof does however have controller support though in case you need that

[nocturne wyvern]

Is there anyway to get doom on an casio fx-cg50 claculator

[vast reef]

is it a graphing calculator

oh wait it is, sorry

let me check if you can put files on it

www.shacknews.com/article/127111/programmer-gets-doom-working-in-full-color-17fps-on-a-casio-calculator is what i found

[nocturne wyvern]

thx

[vocal summit]

official unity port

[azure nimbus]

if you like crashing. I really do think that it's worth the extra five minutes to download a stronger port. Unity is good for what it's for, but just isn't as strong or flexible as other engines

[hard glacier]

Hey how was the ultimate doom trilogy for pc like is it better than the windows 95 port because it comes with ultimate doom, doom 2, and final doom but I seen it works with windows 2000 yeah I know source ports are superior but I don't want to mess with it yet until I have no choice because I know they're easy to work with but I would need help if I do but yeah is the ultimate doom trilogy worth playing on a windows 2000 without using source ports compaire to doom 95

[azure nimbus]

Running it on anything that isn't dos is a port.

[hard glacier]

I know

[azure nimbus]

is Ult doom trilogy the thing you can get on steam? Where are you finding it

[hard glacier]

Ebay the one with the doom 3 preview

[azure nimbus]

Try to make sure that it isn't BFG Edition if you can

[hard glacier]

No its just the 2003 doom trilogy with preview for doom 3 that is a disc with trailers and artworks for the doom 3 game

But doom 3 I hate the bfg edition because of changes to the game

[azure nimbus]

if you could get ahold of classic floppy disks or whatever it is those games come on in the physical variety, that would be pretty cool

[hard glacier]

Yeah I would but they're expensive on eBay but I give credit to romeo he put sigil on real floppy discs for people one day I get them on those though I never used them

[dapper flint]

The floppy is just a 8g usb

If you mean the one what comes in the beast box

[hard glacier]

Yeah

But the floppy discs for doom are expensive on ebay

[azure nimbus]

would it be possible to buy the game online and put it on a floppy yourself?

[hard glacier]

I wonder well I have almost zero knowledge of floppy discs but they have a usb connection

[dapper flint]

I actually have all my wads and eternity on it right now

It also includes the sigil soundtracks and behind the scenes

[hard glacier]

Yeah I do want to buy the big box sigil set but I probably now have to get it from sites like ebay

[dapper flint]

It's for sale on Romeros actual store

[hard glacier]

Really I check it out

Well I don't have $400 on me but I bookmark the page but does romero lives in Europe because I noticed it's in euros

I seen some good stuff there

[dapper flint]

He lives in Ireland now

[hard glacier]

Oh wow I actually didn't know that

But I probably buy that sigil collection later on when I can because that's a good collection piece to have for doom

[dapper flint]

It's really nice. One of my favorite doom boxes I have

[hard glacier]

I want to start a doom collection I have some stuff but I know sigil is unofficial but it's a somewhat feels like a doom episode and it is only used doom 1 stuff instead of using doom II stuff which I think is cool because everyone mostly use doom 2 as a base to do wads

[sturdy laurel]

If you intend on buying Sigil by itself, you are essentually buying the Buckethead version of the soundtrack, for use in your sourceport of choice; the main WAD is otherwise free.

[hard glacier]

Well the big beast collection but I don't know on what track because the midi soundtrack is like a doom soundtrack but I want to get the other track but I don't know if those can be changed like in a setting

[dapper flint]

The midi track is made by Jimmy

It's really good

[hard glacier]

I know it feels more doom but I don't know how the Buckethead soundtrack will fit in doom like that

[sturdy laurel]

Regarding the soundtracks, you can only have one or the other loaded. If you want Buckethead, put SIGIL_SHREDS.WAD in your load-order.

[hard glacier]

Ok

[hard glacier]

I noticed that romero can sign his autograph when you buy something definitely will do that when I buy sigil beast collectors edition does it cost more to do that or it just a choice you can do without paying extra

[narrow condor]

It doesn't. I got him to sign a Doom patch I bought off his website.

It adorns my battlejacket now.

[hard glacier]

Cool that be real cool for my doom collection

[hexed sequoia]

hello

who wants to play online

?

[obsidian wing]

Anyone know of a brutal fork I could use for questZdoom to make it more like doom eternal?

[vocal summit]

lmao

how to ruin a good game

1. turn it into doom eternal
2. profit

[dapper flint]

Isn't there a mod like that. Eoa or something like that

[vocal summit]

EOA eternal

[obsidian wing]

QuestZDoom is fantastic, I’ve just been playing through doom 1 with brutal doom so far. Looking forward to doom2 and custom wads

[jade solstice]

Can I just say, hunted on plutonia was traumatizing

It wasn’t even like, the worst map I’ve played in difficulty- it just felt cruel

[zenith berry]

Nothing but Archviles

[violet sundial]

What is questzdoom

[obsidian wing]

It’s a launcher to play doom in vr on the quest2

And you can add mods and such pretty easily

[violet sundial]

Oh we have one of those

[wild canyon]

hey I tried a demo for like a og Doom 2 mod coming out and it was like paladin themed and the super shotgun had a really cool skin

anyone know what Im talking about? cant remember the name

[vocal summit]

was it a brutal doom fork?

[wild canyon]

idk it seemed pretty popular tho

[vocal summit]

hold on i think i know what it is

@wild canyon https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=48074

what

why isn't it embedding

huh, guess zdoom forums links don't embed anymore

what a shame

[wild canyon]

dont think thats it

the super shotgun was like gold and had a cross on it

and the maps where huge

[vocal summit]

rekkr?

[wild canyon]

nah thanks for trying tho!

[hexed escarp]

I wish you could launch gzdoom thru the command line with mods

Why did they remove that feature, it’s so stupid

[halcyon willow]

Age of Hell?

[vast reef]

outside of embers of armageddon eternal there's also doom unbroken and kar en tuk

also i heavily recommend death foretold

it's doom 2016 and not doom eternal but i like it a lot more than embers of armageddon

[wild canyon]

THATS IT wow thank you!

[dapper flint]

That's actually Bridges game

[wild canyon]

lol thats hilarious

[obsidian wing]

Cool I’ll check them out

[obsidian wing]

Kar En Tuk looks incredible, where do I get it lol

[vocal summit]

not released yet

[obsidian wing]

ah damn, well i'll be watching for it for sure

guess i'll be playing with EOA till then

[finite crag]

does anyone else remember the anti piracy screen for doom 2

where it tells you that if you pirate the game you'll go to hell

[vast reef]

you can't??

i remember being able to do it with 4.6.1 and 4.7.1

let me check the update logs

[hexed escarp]

Oh ig I never tried but when I asked how to load mods everyone always said you have to drag it on or use zdl so I always assumed you couldn't do it with cmd

[tawdry oyster]

gzdoom is actually great it lets me jump and look up and down

[azure nimbus]

:(

[dapper flint]

[halcyon willow]

Fun fact: prboom has junping

[pearl osprey]

and mouselook

[dapper flint]

Hey didn't know that. Pretty neat

[royal heron]

no jumping here

[ornate cipher]

anyone have tips for nightmare 2 player runs for doom 2?

[azure nimbus]

some maps benefit from the coop respawning. Some maps(like 29) benefit from continuous play from the prior map. Learn the levels to help figure out when you need which||and cough check out my playlist on youtube with nightmare runs||

[dapper flint]

Do it alone. 1. The person you play with will probably suck 2. If you die you can quickly use the other controller to rush from a safe point before monster respawn

[ornate cipher]

Alright thank you for the tips

[hexed escarp]

I have heard that prboom plus' multiplayer is not very good, is dsda doom any better?

[halcyon willow]

I don't know anyone who uses either for multi-player. If you want to use a boom adjacent port then odamex is the closest

Also supports mbf21

[zenith berry]

That’s the screen that appears every time you exit DOOM II on DOS and source ports that support ENDOOM (the lump name for that screen), and it appears even if you buy the legal version.

Basically, it tells you not to distribute it as it’s a commercial WAD.

On the other hand, the shareware DOOM WAD says that such thing can be done for and only that.

[royal heron]

also, you gotta go fast

[past field]

for some reason eternity engine does not wanna run on a D: drive

it just crashes

but when I run it on my C: drive, it works well

[zenith berry]

Play "The Thing you can't Defeat" mod. It shows how you can make something that's terrifying...without even involving scary monsters and jumpscares. (No offence to Doom 3.)

It is basically "Everywhere at the End of Time/It's Just a Burning Memory" as a DOOM mod.

[finite crag]

guys doom 1 released today!!1!1!

[misty loom]

oh hello internet explorer

[azure nimbus]

What day do you think it is

[finite crag]

Isn’t it December 10 1993?

[azure nimbus]

Well...what day do you think it is today

[finite crag]

I’m pretty sure it’s December 10 1993

[ornate vortex]

I'm playing a wad 21 years before it released

if that's the case

[zenith berry]

I just played that new Doom game. It looks so awesome, gonna order two more episodes. (For sure!)

I honestly love this whole shareware thing companies have been doing, especially to video games, It basically allowed me to get a small taste of how it will look like before mail-ordering the full thing, which was what I did with Wolfenstein. Hope this will catch on for many years.

And it amazes me that we only got Wolfenstein 3D a year ago, this looks like something from the future, something I never expected to see. It's damn realistic. Feels like I'm actually inside the game blasting off demons.

This is going to be the best selling game ever. For those who are still reading this, what are you waiting for? Go get it!

[dapper flint]

@past field which source for download are you using

[past field]

I first used github, but I downloaded it on doomworld a few seconds ago

[dapper flint]

Doomworld should work

[past field]

tried it, but it still crashes

although it shows more info about the crash

I sent it in the bug reports channel in the EE discord

[dapper flint]

Maybe post pics of the crash error over in eternity discord? I'll take a look the staff probably will too

Ohhh

Gotcha

@past field the devs over at eternity usually take their time. I have a few things on log from last July. I doubt it'll be addressed until the next version. I'd suggest you use woof instead for now. I'll let you know If anything changes

[past field]

k

[pearl osprey]

That's odd I run all my source ports on D drive (including eternity) and they work just fine

[vale gyro]

I want to play sigil but I cannot figure out where to download Crispy Doom tbh

[pearl osprey]

Try running it as an administrator

[dapper flint]

It's an issue none of the devs can recreate but the issue does exist

[hexed escarp]

Is it vanilla demo compat

Or boom/mbf/mbf21 or whatever I'm using?

[past field]

That’ll probably work

[azure nimbus]

woof does have mp but idk anyone who's played it.

[past field]

just tried it, still crashes

[trim delta]

classic doom was the reason why i broke one of my switch joycons

[hexed escarp]

Same place you download chocolate doom

[vale gyro]

Just to make sure I got the right place, should the website look like a wiki page?

[hexed escarp]

Maybe idk I haven’t downloaded it in a while

[halcyon willow]

Pretty much all ports are vanilla doom compatible

[hexed escarp]

Zdoom ports don’t tend to be

And odamex is zdoom

[halcyon willow]

Compatible = can play them

If you mean "emulates doom.exe with no changes from the original code" then doom.exe it is

It's only when you get into some of the more esoteric vanilla hacks that ports like gzdoom break things.

Like miko portals

[hexed escarp]

I’m just talking in terms of being able to record a demo and play it back

And have it not desync

[halcyon willow]

With other people? All ports can record demos. Desynchs in gzdoom happen when new versions of the port update. I know we've been recording demos on odamex for our hordamex test sessions so that should be fine. Odamex is closer to boom than zdoom family ports

Problem with odamex is getting a server set up. It's not like zandro that has tspg for free hosting of whatever wad you want

[hexed escarp]

I could use hamachi if needed

[limber mirage]

Damn my laptop couldn’t handle age of hell potato mode 😅

[halcyon willow]

[limber mirage]

Your game is unoptimized bridge! Jk

[halcyon willow]

Biggest fps increase comes from turning "lights affect sprites" off

[limber mirage]

I’ll try again once I get my deck

[halcyon willow]

I am the gpu burner

[limber mirage]

Although I’ll try the lights affect sprites

[halcyon willow]

Should be under light options in the labyrinthine gzdoom menu

[dapper flint]

My pc is ready for it. Bring on the max

[halcyon willow]

[limber mirage]

Was already off XD

Yep I’ll just have to wait for my deck to try it

[halcyon willow]

Oh I think that is off by default on potato mode

[vivid vine]

Graf putting menus in menus to stop you from finding and turning off texture filtering

Or in my case turning everything all the way up because I don't play base Doom stuff with it

Unhealthy relationship with xBRZ x6

[dapper flint]

Bridge created a potato killer

[halcyon willow]

Potato cooker

Make some chips 😋

[vivid vine]

I had a build of GZDoom kill a potato handmedown PC I had actually, a long time ago

One of those disaster HP compacts

Left GZ running in The Factory with modded monsters on pause for like... 3 hours? And when I came back nothing worked right.

Opened her up later and the side plate had actual scorch marks

I'd had the Imp Warlord, a realm667 monster, and this dragonling thing he can summon, and I had dozens of dragonlings running sround doing firebreath everywhere killing every monster in the level with all kinds of sprites and particle effects. The potato got baked.

[halcyon willow]

Oh I know the warlord

Cool monster actually

[vivid vine]

Had to forget trying to do anything for it because dust inside caught fire and the smell was unbearable

[halcyon willow]

But yeah, leaving that for 3 hours would leave a fair few sprites running around lol

[vivid vine]

I probably had the lighting effects on

And those little dragonlings leave an entire trail of flame effects

[halcyon willow]

I bet

I think that monster actually predates gzdoom

[vivid vine]

I used to have a laptop that once handled Golden Souls 2 other than one level fine but an update to GZDoom killed all ability to play it

[halcyon willow]

There's been certain gzdoom builds that have had bugs that made performance worse

4.0 was a particularly bad one. There was an issue with the bloom code that just tanked everything with it switched on

Wasn't properly fixed till 4.2 iirc

Actually I think it was 4.1.2. That was a good build

[vivid vine]

I'd rate Golden Souls 2 still my favorite Doom TC. Took me 22 hours to 100%

Waiting for 3 now and its lookin good

[halcyon willow]

I'm not a huge fan of platforming so I haven't tried it. It is impressively made though

Batandy does fine work

[vivid vine]

I like his marketing

Nintendo Direct parodies

3 showed off a world based on Resident Evil in his most recent 'direct'

[halcyon willow]

Oh lol yeah I saw that

Pretty epic

[vivid vine]

Its the funniest thing because spooky zombies but you are Doomguy and you can jump around like Mario

I also got my attention on Divine Frequency when youtube hit me with gameplay

It ticks too many boxes of games I like

Havent been smacked like that since Dusk

Might go for a demo

[vivid vine]

The first Golden Souls including the remaster can be a bit rough with platforming but 2 has way more height, air control, and an option to put a little shadow under yourself to gauge jumps, and 3 has more movement like wall climbing, wall jumping, and long jumps. He definitely took the time to make sure the mechanic was fleshed out. Although in 3 he amended falls shouldnt actually kill you unless you play on Hard, and you just take damage and lose coins.

[halcyon willow]

I'm involved in that. It's coming out real nice and the abg video did fucking numbers

[halcyon willow]

Might have to check out 3. I'm a big fan of movement shooters

[vivid vine]

3 works like Mario 64, the levels are open ended with tasks to get the souls

They change for things like boss fights but theres no linearity

Theres a few demos out

One thing he also showed is that unlike the first two when you come back to a level all the enemies will be back because the game isnt about kill completion, its about grabbing those souls

[unreal pike]

anyone know these? diekmann.github.io/wasm-fizzbuzz/doom/ hard-drive.net/report-this-article-can-run-doom/ dos.zczc.cz/games/毁灭战士/

[limber mirage]

Divine looks awesome

Any plans for a itch demo like age of hell?

[vivid vine]

I vaguely remember an original demo where I recognized things like Cacoliches and I dont recall anything like that in the new one so I suppose course changed or that was placeholder

I do like a good cacolich though, Golden Souls 1 had them

[halcyon willow]

There's a new demo just released. It's on moddb currently and it's planned to go on itch as well

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? https://github.com/diekmann/wasm-fizzbuzz/tree/main/doom

[limber mirage]

Nice. I have no experience with moddb so I’ll wait for the itch one

[halcyon willow]

Moddb is ass tbf. But it does get good viewership

[unreal pike]

anyway, github allowed here

[vivid vine]

A lot of the good Doom stuff is locked up on it

Could do with a lot retouches because you get to a page that has downloads and then causality breaks down as you try to figure out what you are even looking at and where additional downloads are at

[limber mirage]

Shame, but I’m not pc skilled enough to mess too heavily with stuff

[vivid vine]

What if the download button is hiding triangles

[limber mirage]

Boooooom

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? https://github.com/diekmann/wasm-fizzbuzz/tree/main/doom

[pearl osprey]

Doom in web assembly

What about it?

[unreal pike]

doom 3? what repo?

[vale gyro]

trying to do pistol start UV on E2M8 for the first time and I’m getting screwed over by the lost souls blocking me and my rockets lol

[unreal pike]

https://github.com/rwv/chinese-dos-games/wiki this guy also have an online doom, but the site is in Chinese and the game is called as 毁灭战士

https://github.com/js-dos/repository/blob/a4fc7111b4038366dc49d0607b5aa6b70656ae9b/_pages/doom-dec-1993.njk and, that's for the doom in that tech onion news

[vale gyro]

and I cannot strafe + fire as I’m stuck keyboard only atm because I’m using my laptop, making it worse

[unreal pike]

https://github.com/apsillers/living-gif/tree/main/doomgif this makes AO3 run doom

[halcyon willow]

@unreal pike stop bombarding the channel with random githubs

[unreal pike]

oh......

so, can I talk about will-it-run-doom questions here?

[limber mirage]

The answer is 99% of stuff does and can and has been proven

[unreal pike]

but why can't I post github? u know, those doom links can't be posted here, so I use github behind these doom sites instead

[vale gyro]

I finally did it, wish I got it on a demo

[dapper flint]

He just means don't spam a ton of them. Post one or 2. Spark a convo about them

[vale gyro]

Ok

I’m playing Sigil and tbh

I am save scumming a lot

[dapper flint]

Sigil can be that way. Especially for a new player

[vale gyro]

Also weird question

Can you turn off autoloading in Crispy?

[halcyon willow]

There's a reason for that, to stop spam of links. Bypassing our filters is grounds for disciplinary action.

[vale gyro]

The sad thing is that I’m playing on Hurt me Plenty

And I just got past a difficult part for me, wanted to save, then I accidentally press the level reset button

[pearl osprey]

The point isn't that links aren't allowed, it's that you probably shouldn't just keep spamming links for random projects

[azure nimbus]

were you having trouble strafing and shooting at the same time? What controls do you have set up?

[vale gyro]

me?

[azure nimbus]

yee

[vale gyro]

WASD for movement

arrow keys for looking

normally use mouse, but got stuck on my laptop to isolate crispy doom just to make sure it was safe

I feel crappy by save scumming

Also, the name of Sigil’s E3M4 lives up to it’s name

I am in pain

[azure nimbus]

those paths do be wretched

[hexed escarp]

If you are playing on crispy, you could use the non compat version because crispy supports episode 5

[azure nimbus]

only reason to use e5 is to feel cool. No difference at all as far as I can tell. The e3 version is used for speedruns

[royal heron]

You don't have a trackpad?

[vale gyro]

I do

But it’s worse than arrow keys tbh

my dad’s old laptop has a better trackpad than my laptop

Need to put crispy on my PC sooner or later

[vale gyro]

Where can I get this?

Also, still. need to see if you can turn off automatic wad/deh loading

[vale gyro]

nvm

I read what you said wrong, thought you said “you can use the non compat version of crispy” instead of “you can use the non compat version of sigil”

[jade solstice]

So, remember when I said “hunted” was a cruel level - concept wise, not gameplay wise

(In plutonia)
Well, slayer was a masochist level

I didn’t enjoy that, at all. Lol

[lost narwhal]

Its something announced for Quakecon? Another addon i mean

[limber mirage]

At this point it’s surprising if classic doom gets anything

[lost narwhal]

surprising? hmm... to be honest since 2020 they added 14 addons already, soooo community with gameplay story for classic doom is big, i think they hava a lot of addons to add in the game

i just think ^.^

[azure nimbus]

That would actually be hilarious. Hugo goes on stage and the main announcement at quakecon will be that they added Alien Vendetta to the unity port

[dapper flint]

With the new midi pack !

[limber mirage]

14 of the billion add ons. With numerous months between each addition

[hexed escarp]

What is the difficulty of no rest for the living compared to doom 2 and plutonia

[dapper flint]

Not that much harder than 2

[hexed escarp]

But does it sorta fit as coming sequentially after doom 2?

[dapper flint]

Definitely

[hexed escarp]

Ok cool

[spice radish]

Brutal Doom gets added through European witchmagic and Beansprout makes another criticism video followed up by a responding to criticism video

[vale gyro]

I know I suck when I die on Hurt Me Plenty on Episode 4

TO A IMP

I keep dying to a single imp

It’s sad that I cannot pass the second map of Episode 4 in my opinion, Sigil feels slightly easier even though I’m playing both on Hurt me Plenty and I have no clue why

[vale gyro]

At this point, I don’t know if I can finish it, I am unable to get the orange skull key because I keep dying

[vernal gulch]

oh nah that level is bad man. i played through on hurt me plenty and that was the first level i decided to use saves on

that level is a struggle

[vale gyro]

I’m losing my mind right now, a baron just threw two damn fireballs at once

Killing me instantly

[vale gyro]

At least I think it did

Because there was only one baron in the room but I saw two of it’s fireballs, could have just been bad step count RNG

I am screaming right now

This is the 50th time I have restarted this level

I’m going mad

[vernal gulch]

no shame in using saves to get through it

[halcyon willow]

It's a good level, just difficult

[vale gyro]

THEN I GET 2 LEAKS IN A ROW, BREH

[halcyon willow]

Probably my favourite map from doom 1

[vale gyro]

What BS is this game giving me right now

I have had a projectile clip through a wall and now this

Is this a sick joke?

[vernal gulch]

yeah it was fun to play but i struggled with it

i should give it another chance, cuz im better at doom now than when i played through it the first time

[vale gyro]

I decided to just run through the level

Now I’m getting screwed over on E4M3

[azure nimbus]

oo that's pretty rare. Heck knight fireballs can sometimes look like they go through corners because of the small size. But on rare occasion, they do actually go through walls. This is more common when directly north/south/east/west. Manc fireballs are the worst offender

[vale gyro]

Man…I suck at this game really

[vale gyro]

Yea, I know

[azure nimbus]

Takes getting used to it's ok

[vale gyro]

It went through the darn wall when I was escaping and then just died

I am an unlucky person really

I get max damage rolls from shotgunners often at this point

[obtuse rune]

Thy flesh Consumed gets way easier after Hell Beneath and Perfect Hatred. should be ight.

[vernal gulch]

yeah the first 2 levels are the hardest

[vale gyro]

I can see that

But I say it just got harder, I keep getting screwed by pinkiy positions

I keep getting corner so often that I can’t even believe that I am failing this bad

I did get far once when RNG was in my favor

I went to save but then, I PRESSED MY LEVEL RESET BUTTON, RUINING EVERYTHING

[junior bluff]

Thy flesh consumed is definitely my least favorite episode

[obtuse rune]

idk i loved it. more so for the first two levels. I love when doom made me think about what weapon i would use without throwing a ton of ammo at you. Sigil gave me the same feel.

[vernal gulch]

i was bad at the game when i first played through it and got pretty frustrated, now im better and i should play through the episode again

[vapid prism]

I've been trying to make novert work for 3 days now

I Need help

[vale gyro]

Ok

[royal heron]

what port?

[vale gyro]

So without any context on the problem, you need to have novert in the directory of your doom game, then open dosbox and before starting it up, type novert

[vapid prism]

Idk

Im not too familiar with this

[royal heron]

E4M2 is one of the best levels in Classic Doom, fite me

[vale gyro]

where did you buy it?

[obtuse rune]

Perfect Hatred is amazing

[vapid prism]

Yeahhhhhh

[royal heron]

Agreed

First level I did a successful Nightmare! run on too, so it has an extra special place in my heart

after that was E1M3 and E1M6

[vapid prism]

Anyways

My PC cant even run lzdoom

[royal heron]

I recommend a Boom based sourceport then

[obtuse rune]

use Zdoom 1.8.2

[vapid prism]

Boom?

[vapid prism]

Well its kinda complicated for me

Its not that my PC Is particurarly trash

[finite crag]

bro if it cant run doom 2 then your pc is from before 1994

[vale gyro]

insert long random inhale for crappy comedic affect here so you got it on steam I guess?

[vapid prism]

Its Just that It uses 100percent CPU without anything open

[vale gyro]

….

[royal heron]

Boom is a port that has some QoL improvements over vanilla but runs quite well(By Boom-based I mean ports that are forks of Boom, like DSDA-Doom)

[royal heron]

wut

[vapid prism]

My guy you dont even know

[vale gyro]

I think you either have a very shitty CPU, or you got some sort of malware

[royal heron]

check what's using so much CPU

[finite crag]

spyhunter 💀

[royal heron]

are you on windows?

[vapid prism]

Nothing

[vale gyro]

Because your CPU should NOT be idling at 100%

[royal heron]

if you're on windows, I find that Microsoft Edge uses like 72% CPU
so I uninstalled it

[obtuse rune]

if you can't run doom you just need something else. pretty sure any cellphone now adays can run it. if you're not using a flipphone or something

[vapid prism]

I cant post the image here

[royal heron]

post it as a discord link so discord can embed it into a picture

[vale gyro]

I find it lower performance than chrome on my system for some reason

[vapid prism]

?

Im on mobile

[royal heron]

oh

[vale gyro]

send it to someone’s DM then

[royal heron]

share it in #screenshots then, that's a solution

[vapid prism]

@royal heron @vale gyro i posted it

[royal heron]

what the actual hell

[vapid prism]

Now its at 21 percent

I didnt change anything

Now its at 100

[finite crag]

guys how good is crispy doom?

or should i go for chocolate doom

[royal heron]

very, it's a popular choice for speedrunners
Don't go for choco doom unless you wanna time travel back to 1993

[obtuse rune]

If you want to stare at pixel grains but feel like OG doomer go Chocolate if you want modern resolution go chrispy

[vapid prism]

Anyways i got Doom 2 running

I Just Need help with the dos controls

[royal heron]

because Chocolate Doom is basically an exact recreation of how Doom was played back in 1993, it even replicates all the bugs within the engine that are fixed in more modern sourceports

[finite crag]

i wanted a vanilla experience but i guess im not gonna go too vanilla

[royal heron]

it's basically as vanilla as you get

[vapid prism]

And soundchip

[obtuse rune]

it's basically... just easier than using DosBox

crispy still uses all the same quirks but you can get modern resolutions

[royal heron]

ye

[vapid prism]

@royal heron so do you know a way to stop moving when you use the mouse in Doom dos?

[royal heron]

oh you're using dosbox?

[vapid prism]

Kinda

[royal heron]

I don't think that's possible in dos, it's naturally integrated

[obtuse rune]

turn off vertical mouse movement

[vapid prism]

I have the game that when i open It boots me to dos

[vapid prism]

I tried i think

[royal heron]

oh wait, I think it's a setting within mouse settings

[vapid prism]

No?

The mouse settings are
Fire weapon
Move foward
Strafe on

[royal heron]

lemme redownload choco doom real quick since it has the same dos setup

[vapid prism]

Can i send you the picture?

@royal heron

[obtuse rune]

i believe there's a choco doom setup application you can click on that comes with it and just disable vertical mouse movement

[royal heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/1007039368168480929/Screen_Shot_2022-08-10_at_5.34.50_PM.png

does this not show up in mouse settings?

[obtuse rune]

just unclick allow vertical mouse

[vapid prism]

Let me send you the picture

[obtuse rune]

from the picture

[vapid prism]

Wait i wasnt replying to you

💀

[vapid prism]

@royal heron

[obtuse rune]

sorry was just trying to help

[vapid prism]

I read

[royal heron]

this is all he sees in the ss

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007039518567829526/1007039591812964392/20220810_233545.jpg

[vapid prism]

At this point i dont know what should i pick

[obtuse rune]

O___o hmmmmm

like older version?

[vapid prism]

Like chocolate Doom or whatever

[obtuse rune]

do you have the latest version installed tho?

[vapid prism]

?

Of what?

[obtuse rune]

Chocolate Doom

[vapid prism]

No i dont have chocolate doom

[royal heron]

they're using dos

[obtuse rune]

sorry i was confused. Is it even possible to turn it off in dos? I really haven't messed with Doom on dos that much.

[vapid prism]

I got something named Novert but i dont know how to set it

@obtuse rune @royal heron

[obtuse rune]

https://www.gog.com/forum/doom_series/getting_the_most_out_of_classic_doom I haven't ever used Novert

[vapid prism]

I dont know how to set it and discussions online havent helped

[obtuse rune]

idk man it's telling me to drop Novert into Doom base.. then you'd have to fiddle around with config files.

[vapid prism]

I dont know how to do anything like that

I never learned how to use a computer at these levels

I use that PC because i Need It for some games

But other than that i dont usually use PC's

@royal heron @obtuse rune

So in situations like these i Always have to ask someone for help

[azure nimbus]

it might be in mouse sensitivity?

[pearl osprey]

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/utils/misc/novert

You need a utility called NOVERT

[vapid prism]

I know

I already have it

[azure nimbus]

Was it really impossible to turn off in dos?

There's gotta be some setting. Maybe in the config?

[obtuse rune]

that's what i'm confused about...

[pearl osprey]

Yes there was no way to disable it, you needed a special program

[vapid prism]

Novert

[pearl osprey]

That's where novert comes in

[obtuse rune]

config deff if you can. if not. can you really go wrong with choco?

[vapid prism]

Idk

[pearl osprey]

Also yeah why not just use chocolate

it's identical but better for modern pc

[vapid prism]

I dont know about chocolate

I barely knew about gzdoom

[azure nimbus]

well, while you're here, check your config for joyb_speed and change the value near it to 29

[vapid prism]

Huh?

[pearl osprey]

All you gotta do is download the archive, extract it somewhere, place DOOM/DOOM2.WAD inside the chocolate doom folder and you're done

[vapid prism]

Idk

I tried so many sourceports

Gzdoom

[pearl osprey]

disabling vertical mouse movement in choccy is a matter of opening the setup.exe and clicking a toggle

[vapid prism]

Zdoom

[azure nimbus]

Original dos doom didn't have an option to "always run" like most every modern port has. But changing that setting does it

[vapid prism]

Lzdoom

[pearl osprey]

Those are all the same port

[vapid prism]

Variants

[obtuse rune]

i was under the assumption if you couldn't run Gz you run LZ if you can't run that try Zdoom.

if you can't run that... time for a computer upgrade

[pearl osprey]

The ol' ZDoom can run on a potato tbh

[vapid prism]

Writing this Is too hard Can you come in voice Channel Just so i can explain you how bad of a situation my PC Is?

[azure nimbus]

Honestly, dos doom is jank as h&ck. It's good for the novelty or the authenticity I suppose, but you'll get identical gameplay and graphics(with the option for HD and better aspect ratio) on a modern port

[obtuse rune]

i still use Zdoom... it feel so good. but off topic lol

[azure nimbus]

zdoom is great, but I think they are going for vanilla gameplay. Could be wron

[obtuse rune]

yeah vanilla. either dos or chocolate

[vapid prism]

I tried all 3versions

[pearl osprey]

Chocolate right here is the best option for you @vapid prism

[vapid prism]

I ran into the same problem

Almost constant stuttering

But when It wasnt stuttering It was like 60fps

[azure nimbus]

what type of gameplay are you going for? Vanilla levels, boom maps?, fancy mods with crazy changes to the gameplay?

[vapid prism]

I would like mods but i dont know of my PC can take it

[vale gyro]

You could do Chocolate/Crispy and Dehacked to an extent

[vapid prism]

I would really like to explain how bad of a state my PC Is in vocal because writing It Is too hard

[pearl osprey]

Well if you want to run mods but can't run ZDoom based ports I would suggest Woof

[azure nimbus]

Doom is a 1990s game. Unless you're playing on...well...a GBA, you should run doom just fine

[pearl osprey]

The performace is really good

[azure nimbus]

WOOF is my go to for performance, mods, and vanilla. it's very good

[vapid prism]

I run Doom perfectly but any zdoom source Port stutters

[azure nimbus]

Well, that's zdoom for you

[pearl osprey]

It won't run GZDoom level gameplay mods, but you'll be able to play boom and vanilla without lagging if you use Woof

[obtuse rune]

see that's a problem... if you just have a crap computer... GZ really your best bet. If you can't get GZ to run... Chocolate is not limit removing and Dos won't give you the mod support you need either

[azure nimbus]

You might be limited to the several tens of thousand maps and mods that are vanilla/lim removing/boom/mbf/mbf21 compatable instead of zdoom forks

[vale gyro]

ZDoom based ports (mainly GZDoom) uses more advanced rendering techniques, so no wonder why it stutters, also i heard it’s just really badly optimized

[vapid prism]

Can i talk about this in the voice Channel? i feel like i have to explain and show It for you to get the full picture

[vale gyro]

Crispy is a fork of Chocolate and is limit removing

[pearl osprey]

Yeah I was actually shocked about this

Almost all source ports have shitty hardware renderer

[vale gyro]

It’s my main port since like yesterday or something

I freaking love it

[obtuse rune]

from what i'm gathering is he's trying to disable vertical mouse movement on dosbox with no success and his computer can't run anything else.. even like chocolate. or he doesn't know how to set it up

[vale gyro]

His original question was “I need help setting up novert” or something like that

I tried asking where he bought it from

As I am easily able to troubleshoot both gog and steam

well, only because gog gives you all normal files, unlike steam

[vapid prism]

Ok so i have an Asus P50IJ

[vapid prism]

Can somebody tell me how bad that Is?

[pearl osprey]

Hold on which version of windows are you running on it?

[vapid prism]

7

Brought It to a tecnician, he told me that It cant upgrade to Windows 10

[pearl osprey]

That thing can barely run windows

[vapid prism]

Idk i run Diablo 2 on it

And like fallout 2

[vale gyro]

This is one of the few times where I would suggest to switch to linux

[pearl osprey]

You should be able to easily install doom however

[vapid prism]

And fps too

[pearl osprey]

You just gotta use a lightwieght port

[vapid prism]

Duke nukem megaton edition

Shadow Warrior Classic redux

[vapid prism]

Im poor lol

[vale gyro]

…

Linux distros are free

[pearl osprey]

Yeah I have a secondary laptop like that, I installed devuan and my boot time went from 2-3 mins to 30 seconds

[vapid prism]

Idk

[pearl osprey]

Installing linux is probably really hard for someone... who can't install a doom source port tbh

[vale gyro]

Fair enough

[vapid prism]

I got that PC like 7 Years ago when i was like 8 or something from my uncle

[vale gyro]

I never installed linux so yeah..

[vapid prism]

I did install them tho

[pearl osprey]

Did you install chocolate doom/crispy doom/woof

[vale gyro]

The best I got to installing linux was that one time I bought a Kano kit for myself and had to install it’s fork of raspberry pi OS

[pearl osprey]

try one of these they should work great on your pc

[vapid prism]

Nope i tried gzdoom, zdoom, and lzdoom

[vale gyro]

In my preferance

[vapid prism]

Then i pirated a Copy of Doom 2 plus the master levels

[pearl osprey]

Ok try something else :d

those will never run smoothly

[vale gyro]

Hmm, PIRACY?!

[pearl osprey]

just get chocolate doom

[vapid prism]

Yeah im poor

[vale gyro]

HMMMMMM

[pearl osprey]

Installing linux is surprisingly easy tbh especially a mainstream distro like Ubuntu

[vapid prism]

And im not even 18 so i depend from my mother

[pearl osprey]

if you can install windows you can install linux

[vapid prism]

But i didnt install Windows you see

[pearl osprey]

actually learning to use it though... might be a bit more difficult

[vale gyro]

Maybe it is, but I got no reason too, windows is better for gaming plus I got 10 pro

[vapid prism]

I got 7 home premium

[pearl osprey]

I personally dual boot

[vapid prism]

😎

[pearl osprey]

get the best of both worlds

[vale gyro]

Anyways

[vapid prism]

So

[vale gyro]

I prefer crispy

It’s a fork of chocolate that has limit removing

[vapid prism]

Rather than "fixing" dos i should get a source Port?

[pearl osprey]

Anyways, @vapid prism all you gotta do is install ONE of these:
Chocolate Doom
Crispy Doom
Woof

This will save you a headache

[vale gyro]

y e s

[pearl osprey]

yes

[vale gyro]

I used to use only dos

That in it’s self was a headache, even worse is that I had to track down the game files as I bought it on steam

[vapid prism]

Well gzdoom is really attractive with the freelook and all, wich of these sourceports has similar features?

[vale gyro]

Crispy/chocolate is a breeze to setup

[vale gyro]

I know crispy has freelook and jumping

[pearl osprey]

You can't get anything like GZDoom that will run well on your pc unfortunatly

[obtuse rune]

Gzdoom just isn't vanilla accurate even with Doom Strict on but if you don't mind that play it

[vale gyro]

I say crispy/woof are your best options

[pearl osprey]

most advanced you can get without GZDoom is dsda-doom or eternity engine

[vale gyro]

Though, i’ve only used crispy

[obtuse rune]

pretty sure just a troll at this point

[vapid prism]

Well i can kinda run gzdoom and the others

But i Always have a constant stuttering

Other than that they "work"

[vale gyro]

THEN USE A DIFFERENT SOURCE PORT

[obtuse rune]

Prboom plus was smooth as butter but not my cup of tea

[vapid prism]

Oh and After i close them sometimes they dont open anymore because of some problem with opengl

[vale gyro]

Ok

[vapid prism]

Yeah

[vale gyro]

As we’ve stated, go with an other source port

[vapid prism]

Well crispy seems like what il searching

Tho i want to specify something

[vale gyro]

I would say the best option for you is Crispy, but to be fair I’ve only used dos and crispy

[vale gyro]

Which is?

[vapid prism]

I already "kinda" player Doom 2 some time back

It was the 32X Port wich somehow someway i cant even consive i got running on dosbox

With all the problems of dosbox

Tho i never finished it

I Remember that i got to the city levels

It was like 2years ago or more

Same pc

[obtuse rune]

getting to the city levels in doom 2... i feel ur pain

[vale gyro]

We have strayed from trying to solve a problem, to a story of when you somehow got the 32X port of Doom

[pearl osprey]

This is going nowhere

[vapid prism]

Idk

[pearl osprey]

alright gentlemen back to work

[vapid prism]

I Just wanted to clarify it

[vale gyro]

Anyways

What are you looking for?

[vapid prism]

Crispy Doom seems like a good choice

[vale gyro]

As if you comply, I will search up the features of each source port I know and try to figure out what is best

[vapid prism]

Any downsides?

[vale gyro]

For my uses, there is none

But I play it vanilla style

[vapid prism]

Jeez i hate my italian autocorrector

[vale gyro]

aka no freelook/jumping, no uncapped frame rate or high resolution textures

Freelook is kinda jank as crispy uses software rendering if I’m correct

[vapid prism]

Yeah i want play Doom 2 vanilla exept freelook and other minor things

[obtuse rune]

only thing i find hard to do is... the no uncapped framerate part.

like 35 fps was cool back in 93-94 but ehhh

[vale gyro]

I sometimes play it with the uncapped framerate, but I kinda hate the smoothness of it kinda

[vapid prism]

And controls

[royal heron]

I was pinged 2 times

[vale gyro]

Feels weird after playing DOS for a while

[vapid prism]

By me

[vale gyro]

You can easily bind the controls in the setup menu

Also crispy has a widescreen mode

[vapid prism]

Allright then

[vale gyro]

though

[vapid prism]

I'll try right now

[vale gyro]

From the time I’ve used it

[vapid prism]

Oh

[vale gyro]

Getting parameters in is different

[vapid prism]

I Just saw

[vale gyro]

You need to use a batch file for that

[obtuse rune]

off topic but can anyone speculate when Romero will release Sigil 2 for Doom 2?

[vapid prism]

I have opengl 1.1

[vale gyro]

idk, maybe the next anniversary milestone

[royal heron]

w u t

[vale gyro]

wut

how spam, I did not even do anything

[obtuse rune]

you said the same thing coffeeguy said lol guess that's how it works

[vapid prism]

Im gonna send the image on screenshots

Posted it

[royal heron]

GZDoom requies OpenGL 3.3 and above

[vapid prism]

Yeah

Thats why i went with Z and LZ

[royal heron]

LZDoom is for computers that can't run OpenGL 3.3, but if you're at 1.1, then I don't think you can run LZ either

Z is dead

[vapid prism]

And proceded to fail

[vale gyro]

Use a sourceport that uses software rendering

[royal heron]

Use either Choco doom or crispy, they're the lightest ports

[pearl osprey]

My brother in Christ, just download choco/crispy

[vapid prism]

Yeah i know

[vale gyro]

I say crispy is better, but I think I’m kinda getting biased after one day

[vapid prism]

Im gonna do it

[obtuse rune]

Z isn't dead.. it's just a "finished Product" i love z

[vapid prism]

Now

[vale gyro]

Aight, if your going with chocolate or crispy, I can send you the link for the latest builds so you don’t have to compile it

[vapid prism]

Wait like 5 minutes

[obtuse rune]

you can just download the zip from github tho

[vale gyro]

wait really?

[vapid prism]

My PC Is gonna take some time to open discord

[obtuse rune]

pretty sure that's where fabian releases all the new stuff.

yeah.

[vale gyro]

I thought that was uncompiled

So I used the chocolate doom daily builds

To get crispy doom

[pearl osprey]

That's news for me I always used the daily builds site

[obtuse rune]

https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/crispy-doom/releases/tag/crispy-doom-5.11.1

[pearl osprey]

but tbf it's in the end it's the exact same binaries

[vapid prism]

Allright 5 minutes have passed and my PC finally opened discord

And its not loading the messagges

Allright It loaded them

[pearl osprey]

If my pc was this slow I would not even bother playing any games

[vapid prism]

The games are faster

Depending on the game

[vale gyro]

anyways…

[vapid prism]

Crispy has been downloaded

[vale gyro]

just throw your IWAD in the same folder as the EXEs, then goto the setup file to start setting up controls and stuff

[vapid prism]

Iwad?

[vale gyro]

Your Doom 2 wad file

[vapid prism]

I "know" wad but not iwad

[vapid prism]

Oh

[vale gyro]

Though’

Some setting up has to be done in the crispiness menu inside the game it’s self

[vapid prism]

Ok im at the crispiness menu

@vale gyro

[vale gyro]

ok

[vapid prism]

Vertical aim?

[vale gyro]

hold on

[pearl osprey]

In crispiness menu

[vale gyro]

lemme boot it up so I can help you

[pearl osprey]

Enable permanent freelook

[vapid prism]

Allow freelook to: lock

Is that good?

[vale gyro]

You do permanent mouse look

[vapid prism]

Nice

[vale gyro]

not freelook

[vapid prism]

Oh

So spring?

[vale gyro]

Off

[vapid prism]

No thats One of the options

I mean

What option should i put freelook in?

[vale gyro]

Only turn on mouselook

[vapid prism]

Oh

[vale gyro]

Turn off freelook

[vapid prism]

Ok?

[vale gyro]

Freelook uses the keyboard

[vapid prism]

Oh

Vertical aim?

Off?

[vale gyro]

Off

Actually

[vapid prism]

Theres no off

[vale gyro]

You have mouselook

So do direct

As I’m assuming your looking for a GZDoom feel

Allow jumping and then go back to the first page

[vapid prism]

Uncapped framerate?

[vale gyro]

yep

[vapid prism]

I guess off

[vale gyro]

and high resolution

[vale gyro]

On, unless you want 35 FPS

[vapid prism]

I dont want jumping thats too much

[vale gyro]

Ok

You can turn it off, just assuming you want a GZDoom feel, sorry

High resolution rendering makes the game look a bit nicer

You can turn brightmaps to “BOTH” if you want

[pearl osprey]

Enable widescreen if you don't like black bars

[vale gyro]

If you want to, you can turn on colored blood as well

Otherwise, all the blood is red when you shoot an enemy

I actually have this turned on, even though I like vanilla

same with randomly mirrored corpses

and the demo timer

oh wait

I forgot, turn off infinitely tall monsters if you don’t want to be blocked by demons below you

I keep the tall monsters for vanilla sake, but in your case, it’s better to turn it off

@vapid prism

[vale gyro]

Unless you don’t want to that is

[obtuse rune]

i can't think of a single time where infinitely tall monsters fucked me over. Even in Doom 2 where there's a lot more vertical maps

i'd just leave it on. nice doom quirk

[vale gyro]

I like the quirk too, but it did fuck me over once

on E4M2

[obtuse rune]

I love perfect hatred and i can't think of time where it crapped on me. maybe the imp at the bottom? like after you shoot your way out of start and go left? the area where you get the plasma gun?

[vale gyro]

plasma gun sucked

but the maze before the cyber demon, the drop to said maze has so many specters in the worse possible area so I had to restart that part of the level as they just kept blocking me

[obtuse rune]

ohhhh the spectre at the bottom with the hell knight throwing their projectiles at you... few cacodemons too. the spectre/caco slog.

yeah theres that one spectre directly below the drop off.

[royal heron]

Ah, infinitely tall monsters

Used to hate em, but not anymore

Well except for lost souls

They can fuck off

[azure nimbus]

the lost soul launching from a million lightyears away that is so high that autoaim doesn't kick in and blocks you in the corner

[obtuse rune]

no matter which way you have it... i'm sure we can all agree lost souls suck... but they're a part of a game we love.

[vale gyro]

the lost souls on E2M8 UV can suck my ass, they blocked more rockets than I can count

and was the reason I died so many times

[obtuse rune]

feels good when you can rocket them without dying tho lol i'm guilty of rocketing a bunch of lost souls

[vale gyro]

I want to go back to E2M8 on UV with IDDQD and IDKFA and kill every lost soul

[obtuse rune]

was e2m8 a sandy peterson level? the curse of sandy and his lost souls..

[royal heron]

That one lost soul damaging you from so far above you can't shoot it and trapping you in a corner

[vale gyro]

also

Why is E4M4 easy

[obtuse rune]

the american mcgee level that is supppppper brown

lol

[vale gyro]

It’s pressing a few buttons and done

[obtuse rune]

could of been the first level of thy flesh consumed. it is super easy and just.... THERE as a level.

tbh tho i feel sigil was a better episode than E4 and maybe better than E1.. probably an unpopular opinion

[vale gyro]

Nvm

Pistol starting E4M4 HMP is hard as hell, too little ammo

[obtuse rune]

feels bad i havent pistol started any level after the first episode obviously. only even played on UV and pistol started first level cause yeah

[azure nimbus]

My guess is that e4m4 and e4m9 and e1m9 were all designed as deathmatch levels. McGee has made other deathmatch levels after all

[vale gyro]

probs

there is not enough ammo

like I mean by the time for the big fight at the end, you have 0 rounds and a shotgunner left

and all the health in it is a bunch of health bonuses and 2 medkits

so if you get unlucky, your fucked

so you MUST have ammo and health on the previous level or else you may get screwed over

I just did a pistol start

With 5% left

I got a very lucky RNG roll and the caco only did enough damage to keep me alive

[vapid prism]

@vale gyro my phone battery died and my PC Is my PC, anyway thank you, the game runs well, the aim is good, and the fps are above 30, thank you

Anyways i gotta go to sleep its 1:47 am

[vale gyro]

Wish one of my friends had Ultimate Doom, want to play deathmatch with someone over crispy

[azure nimbus]

berserk

[vale gyro]

..wut, is there one on the level?

[azure nimbus]

e4m4 yes. e4m9 I am pretty sure*

[vivid vine]

there's plenty of ammo

I pistol started Ultimate Doom not long ago

[vale gyro]

I got out with only 2 shells on HMP E4M4

No bullets at all

[vivid vine]

I only play on UV

and like I said, pistol started every level

[vale gyro]

I die before I can shoot a single round in UV

[royal heron]

use your fists
you gotta fist some demons to death in order to save ammo

[vivid vine]

pistol starts be making both weapons with chain in their name look better

you will really appreciate finding both

[royal heron]

ye

[obtuse rune]

just pistol start everything with UV fast monsters. go for the decino run.

[vivid vine]

fast monsters aren't good

or fun

More monsters is better

[obtuse rune]

i've done UV doom 1 + sigil and Doom 2 with no rest for the living. I don't like modifiers as much

but it's a thing

[vivid vine]

the way it changes how you have to play, making you door fight and duck under cover

took me a while to realize Quake wasn't better for it either after over a dozen playthroughs on Nightmare, the rerelease halving your health is definitely the way for Quake

[obtuse rune]

i thought quake on nightmare was the way to go tho

[storm abyss]

Lol

[vivid vine]

Yes, and the new Nightmare halving your health instead of fast monsters

[storm abyss]

Yeah

[vivid vine]

It was basically what the community wanted already. Copper had it. Arcane Dimensions added a new Evil difficulty that both did that and made enemy projectiles faster. I played though the base maps on Evil.

Like right before the remaster

[storm abyss]

I wish I could post my nightmare pacifist run here but whatever

Videos it is

[royal heron]

Oh wait Moloch I just realized your pfp is vergil lmao

[obtuse rune]

from devil may cry

[royal heron]

Hyper motivated vergil

[obtuse rune]

i couldn't get into dmc. i think i hit the god of war before it. so i was held in hack and slash content

[vivid vine]

I played God of War trilogy a year or so ago

After years of comparisons it cant even pick up the candle to Devil May Cry

[vivid vine]

Favorite and best series. Have it 1-3 on PS2 with manuals, 4 on PS3 with manual, HD Collection on PS3, HD Collection, 4SE, and 5 on PS4, HD Collection, 4SE, and 5 on Steam, and 1 and 3 on Switch

[obtuse rune]

only devil may cry i care about was the DMC that turned into.... RE4... other than that DMC was kind of subpar.. and garbage.. nobody cares about Japanese hack and slash... it was "i'm the devils son" the anime..

[vivid vine]

Uh huh.

Nonsense aside, I was still in the middle of Augur Zenith technically

The rain effect is still one of the best things I saw in it and I was playing with Crispy, so I dunno how any of that was done

[limber mirage]

Now that I’ve done all the other setups. I think it’s time to learn source port

Oh right I still need to buy doom first. Nvm I keep forgetting I don’t have it

[vivid vine]

I jumped to it from Base Ganymede because near the end of the second episode it really started veering off 'vanilla Doom 1' and started to be pain

[halcyon willow]

Lol that might help

[limber mirage]

I kept getting all psyched and ready to learn source ports

Then go right I don’t own doom XD

[storm abyss]

Lol

[real latch]

The Steam release of DOOM (1993) is kind of broken

The pause menu will randomly open in the back ground of the game and you will just be hearing doomguy grunts and the scrolling sound effect while you are playing constantly

and if you go to open doors or activate something within the levels it will do it but you better hope that you aren't highlighting the 'Quit Game' or 'New Game' in the invisible pause menu

this only just started happening right now for me

[azure nimbus]

I've had behavior like this when I opened the program twice at once by accident

[vernal gulch]

oh yeah thats been happening to me too starting yesterday

it did it to me just about 30 minutes ago as well it gets really annoying

it did it on doom 2 and ultimate doom

[modern scroll]

Is there a way to co-op Ultimate Doom on Steam w/o Remote Play?

Am I just dumb?

[dapper flint]

[royal heron]

[atomic dust]

is it weird that I find TNT to be boring?

[azure nimbus]

no

[sharp wasp]

Oh no you are here as well 💀

But Plutonia better than TNT lmao

[atomic dust]

lol

[sharp wasp]

@atomic dust bro, do you get all Doom 3 games

[atomic dust]

yes

[sharp wasp]

I receive BFG for free

When I owned original doom 3

[atomic dust]

I already owned the og Doom 3, Resurrection Of Evil and BFG Edition before the relisting stuff

I got all achievements in the BFG Edition

[sharp wasp]

Man

Hardcore gamer

[vapid prism]

I got warned lol @vale gyro

Anyway what soundchip should i use?

[narrow condor]

One thing TNT does better than Plutonia is the aesthetics.

It's not the best looking wad of its time but Plutonia is total barebones in terms of looks, focusing exclusively on gameplay.

I think what made TNT so unpopular is that it tried to be a well-rounded wad and ended up being forgettable.

[azure nimbus]

plut looks better imo. More consistent. I don't like the huge open areas with nothing and minimal detailing that happens in lots of tnt

[narrow condor]

Fair enough.

Also, did you hear that mouldy is back?

[vapid prism]

Anyone?

[narrow condor]

Presumably owing to the popularity of Going Down, he made a comeback with a short and funny wad: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/130657-overboard-6-map-island-hopping-adventure-update-8-08/

It's very short (6 maps only) but features 'new game plus' in the form of 6 additional maps that are slightly modified, harder versions of the originals.

Also you can flush toilets.

[vale gyro]

I use default settings

[azure nimbus]

toilet gaming??? I'm immersed

[narrow condor]

What do you mean by that? As in sound emulation?

I use Nuked OPL3 myself.

[azure nimbus]

did Cyriak take the last screenshot in GZ?

[narrow condor]

Because of the particles?

[azure nimbus]

yeah

[narrow condor]

Yeah, seems likely.

[azure nimbus]

:c

[vapid prism]

I mean the soundfont the music uses

Like midi

@narrow condor

There are multiple options

[narrow condor]

Well, there's no 'correct' option.

I like OPL emulation better myself.

[vapid prism]

Mhh

[narrow condor]

It doesn't use soundfonts but rather emulates the Yamaha chips themselves.

If you're using GZDoom, you can try it by setting the Midi device to OPL synth emulation in sound settings. You can further specify which emulator to use in advanced settings → Midi player options → OPL synthesis.

Nuked OPL3 is what I like.

[vale gyro]

He’s still using crispy I think

[narrow condor]

I know Crispy has built-in OPL emulation support but not sure which emulator cores it uses.

[vale gyro]

Idk either, infact I barely touched those setitngs

But you can import a custom soundfont I think

[narrow condor]

Well, you'd need to use a Midi player like Timidity++ for that.

[vale gyro]

God it’s so hard to type/see right now, I got some cinnamon in my eye after eating some cereal

[narrow condor]

Or FluidSynth or whatever you like.

[old echo]

hi there!
who knows how or where i can get this sound of secret areas found?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgnG22K0Xq4

[narrow condor]

Which source port are you using?

[old echo]

i tested dsda, prboom and crispy ports and there is the same sound, not like on this video

but this sound is sick 😛

[narrow condor]

That sounds like GZDoom's sound to me.

Since there's no one official sound, each source port just includes its own.

[old echo]

i saw that the other players have this sound on speedrun videos and using crispy too

[narrow condor]

(ie vanilla Doom had no secret revealed sound or a text message)

[old echo]

for example Looper

[narrow condor]

Interesting.

[old echo]

on his stream

jsut a minute i ll give you link

[narrow condor]

I don't know how Crispy implements it — it may just be a difference of Midi player. (tying into the previous conversation :-P)

I think you can configure it to use a custom sound in GZDoom, plus wads can provide their own secret revealed sounds.

[vale gyro]

In the description, it says it was done in GZDoom

So, it must be GZDoom’s sound, but for what we are doing, I’m not sure if that will help

hmm, decino has the same sound effect while he was using glboom+

At least I think

[old echo]

zero-master here in time-code
https://youtu.be/lBqxFnEH6oQ?t=73

[old echo]

i think ye, its probably .dll file of midi player but where i can get it...

[narrow condor]

As a shot in the dark, I suggest cycling through different Midi players and testing each one.

[old echo]

🙂 thanks

[narrow condor]

No probs!

[old echo]

this sound realy awesome 😄

[dapper flint]

Hope we get to see more. Loving going down

[narrow condor]

I love his sense of humour. We need more humorous wads that aren't just hackneyed terrywads.

[dapper flint]

The humor is really well done where it isn't all in your face at all times

[narrow condor]

One thing I enjoyed the most is that it made me expect ridiculous surprises, and yet, they kept catching me off guard.

[vapid prism]

Well i Remember hearing the music in a specific "font" that i dont think Is present in the options

[narrow condor]

If you know the soundfont, you can just set the Midi player to use it.

[vapid prism]

Well i tried all of them and no one sounded like it

[spice radish]

Isn’t the font SC-55?

[vapid prism]

Idk

[spice radish]

Pretty sure it is

[vapid prism]

I mean like the ones in the YouTube video

I notice this with Sandy city

@spice radish

[spice radish]

Could you perhaps find the video your referring to? I’ll send the one I’m thinking of

[vapid prism]

https://youtu.be/PkhCNx-8Qos

I want the game's music to sound like this

[spice radish]

This is what I was thinking of
https://youtu.be/Sz3uUNb3S1M

[vapid prism]

Mhh this is more like the one i hear

[vapid prism]

How can i get the music pack for this music?

@spice radish

[spice radish]

I’m not a huge sound guy so I’m not 100% sure I imagine it sounds like because of the sound devices at the time.

[vapid prism]

I think that too, and since my PC isnt that dead in sound department i think i can get my game to sound like that

[sturdy laurel]

Heard that they bundled OG Doom 2, Master Levels, and Final Doom into the Unity port, as separate launch options.

[vernal gulch]

yup

[dapper flint]

Gotta love bundles

[sturdy laurel]

Hence why standalone Master Levels and Final Doom were delisted.

[vivid vine]

What they had before was always kind of odd, with the Classic Doom Complete bundle that I believe took the at that time delisted Master Levels that steam maybe(?) had for sale before then and made it a bonus for buying the bundle. Which isn't much of a bonus.

[vale gyro]

Local Mutiplayer Only

You’ll need source port if you want to do online play

[vale gyro]

Or use Remote Play

But you did say w/o it

[south kite]

how do i get into the chainsaw room??

[narrow condor]

Huh?

[azure nimbus]

||in the maze, shoot the wall behind where the green armor was/is||. I'm assuming that you are on e1m2

[south kite]

thx

[azure nimbus]

If you need help with other levels, check the map to know what level you're on. Decino has videos on it on youtube as well as doomwiki having in depth guides for every main level. Or you can ask here with a map name

[south kite]

thx alot

[narrow condor]

I'm almost done with Overboard and I must say I'm really enjoying it so far.

Such a shame it's only six maps.

It's a lot like Going Down in terms of rapidly escalating chaos and over-the-top traps but the maps are much smaller.

[dapper flint]

Recommend it ?

[narrow condor]

Definitely!

It can be finished in one sitting too.

[dapper flint]

I'll give it a go tmw then. Overboard hey. Is that the one with a plus mode ?

[azure nimbus]

yep

[cloud talon]

Is the cyberdemon in doom 2 any different than the one from doom 1?

[dapper flint]

Nope

[azure nimbus]

unless you count the special e2m8 and e4m6 flags in doom1 to end the level and open the exit area respectively but tbh that's kinda silly to do

[vernal gulch]

on my first playthrough of doom i played on hurt me plenty and struggled with most of the levels, and now im playing through on ultra violence and just did the first 2 episodes without any deaths

feels good to know im getting better at the game

[narrow condor]

:-)

[spice radish]

I'm glad because now I can run Final Doom through a source port without needing to buy it

I can finally play Plutonia in a good source port

I refuse to rage quit at Hunted again

[spice radish]

Have you tried Thy Flesh Consumed yet?

[vernal gulch]

i played it in hurt me plenty when i was bad, im rn on e3m5 playing through on uv

gonna play through thy flesh consumed when i get past inferno

[sharp wasp]

e4m2 💀

[vernal gulch]

yeah that'll be pain

[spice radish]

e4m2 and e4m6

[finite crag]

Ngl the mobile port of doom sucks

The whole idea of taking fast paced games that requires great accuracy and turning it into a mobile game is just a bad idea

[vernal gulch]

now i beat inferno and i'll start thy flesh consumed later bc i gotta sleep

[ornate vortex]

e4m1 is tough as well

mainly due to the lack of health pickups