doom-eternal

[jaunty vapor]

The best thing to do would be to meathook jump before the stuff get summoned and pull E-Shield so you know where stuff is and are generally safe once it spawns. From there ice.bomb whatever you need to (preferably Tyrant + other stuff) and focus the Tyrants.

But obviously saying it is easier than doing it.

[full crystal]

what i do is go to the far side of the room immediately, drop down with the d blade and kill the dread knights then come out the other side and into the tunnel where you come in and kill the first tyrant from there where its "relatively" safe

[jaunty vapor]

You don't have to go to the far side

Just go down the stairs ASAP and you can Dblade both. A good frag will help kill them from there

[ivory ore]

Doubt it. Probably some view hungry doomtuber who hasn’t accepted that doom’s fan base has moved on

[jaunty vapor]

bUt DoOm Is EtErNaL

[dry perch]

but they prob making another doom game

[jaunty vapor]

That's probably also unlikely. Or rather, the next game they make probably isn't a Doom game.

[dry perch]

thats why i said prob

[undone drift]

It’s likely gonna be a few years before they start working on another one, which they definitely will make another one I don’t doubt it.

[full crystal]

i got down the far side so that when i run through the tunnel killing the knights im back on on the side with the tunnel

[azure oriole]

I think their next game will be quake, and the game after that will probably be doom

[full crystal]

my main issue with the fight isn't that its hard, just its so inconsistent because of rng. every single other fight, you can go in with a plan

[dry perch]

i wanna see a new quake

[full crystal]

realistically, other than the setting what can they do to differentiate a new quake's gameplay from doom without making it sucky

[azure oriole]

Yeah i haven't tried quake yet but it looks pretty cool and i'm probably gonna try it. I wanna beat the old quake before i beat the new quake if it does come out

I don't like tactical/cover shooters at all so movement/arena shooters like doom and quake are basically the only shooters i play

[azure oriole]

I wanna see a non-dos all in 1 all 5 Hexen Heretic games (So Heretic 2 is on steam someday) I also want to see an updated Commander Keen pack, with this time, actually all of it

[burnt moss]

I think memorization robs the test of skill. I’d love the whole game to be rng so you know the reason you survive is because you’re a good fighter, not because you’re psychic.

[slow sigil]

That fight is rng in that it is wayyy too chaotic and tight, not rng in that you arent sure in what is coming up

[burnt moss]

Rng just means random number generator right?

[slow sigil]

By definition, but it's also just refering to randomness

[full crystal]

Rng itself is fine but the difficulty difference between the archies spawning all arachnatrons or all mancs and cybermancs is huge.

And if they decide to spawn 2 mancs in front of you and make it so you get stuck on them when trying to get away from the buffed shield guys, you just die without being able to do anything about it.

[slow sigil]

dashes to the side of mancubi
gets stuck on invisible hitbox of mancubi

[azure oriole]

Is the ancient gods dlc worth 39.99$? I've been wanting it for awhile but don't know if it's worth that much or not

[strange gale]

this doesn't really apply even to that room, because you can completely shut down the archie summoning with a little bit of routing

you come into the room with t3 dblade, kill dredges, kill tyrants, and if you're fast enough, the barrier keeping the arches safe falls before they get to do anything

[ember void]

You can wait for it to go on sale if you want, this happens pretty often with titles of the doom franchise.

[azure oriole]

Part 1 is 10 dollars on Humble Bundle rn

Assuming you play on PC

[burnt moss]

Yeah it’s worth it. TAG is more fun than Campaign in my opinion.

[azure oriole]

If you play on Xbox tho, even better, they are both $10 (you could also get both on PC Microsoft store tho)

[azure oriole]

I play on PS5 and I don't know what that is

Oh, welp then they aren't on sale at all

I'd only recommended getting both if the total sum is 20>

They are only 3 levels each

Ok

[scenic egret]

My wrist hurts oof

I tried to practice quickswitching but trying to aim with Gyro to the Mancubi i made a very loud crack

[fading monolith]

You probably broke your wrists then

[burnt moss]

But it sounds like who spawns is the variable

[sacred dirge]

Yeah

[azure forum]

I've been practicing in that room and now I'm able to beat it without super weapons. The strategy is to Dblade + Frag the 2 dreadknights. Then, ice bomb the first tyrant and SLOB or SSG+Ballista. If you see that a heavy is summoned while you are killing yhe tyrant, move to the other side. Don't focus only on one side since things will start accumulating on side. Once both tyrants are killed, ice bomb or frag one Archie and lock on. Proceed to to the same on the other. It takes time and patience. If you go too crazy on one demon you get killed extremely quick

Also, make sure you get to that room with double blood punch. Grab the gas pipe in there as well and make sure that as soon as you get a chainsaw, use it.

[mossy nova]

amongus

[ember void]

leave among us.

[wind leaf]

who know active code in Doom 3

[mossy nova]

i found amongus

[burnt moss]

Hang on, are support runes in TAG 1?!

[mossy nova]

yes

[ember void]

They were introduced in TAG 1

[random vault]

Hi

[mossy nova]

hello fellow slayers

[ember void]

Greetings, fellow doomer.

[mossy nova]

idk what to do now because i finished the dlc

[burnt moss]

I rushed through on NM and didn’t get any haha

[flint flame]

They’re in the pins in one of the channels here

Just checked, it’s the first pin in #doom-3

[mighty pilot]

Try the Master Levels, or Horde Mode, or Extra-Life Mode.
Or if you're feeling extra ballsy, Ultra-Nightmare.

[mossy nova]

i did horde mode months ago but i died in the first arena on the final mission

[fading monolith]

speedrun them

[mighty pilot]

Also maybe switch up your Slayer skin. It can be fun seeing them, especially in the cutscenes.

[mossy nova]

im using the survivor skin as my main

[mossy nova]

whats better lock on or self detonate ?

[burnt moss]

Lockon for sure

Hey how do I get the extra life by the fountain in WS?

[flint flame]

Jump up to the top ledge and jump down (I’m thinking of the wrong arena)

[mossy nova]

button

i dont skip cutscenes

i spended 184.5 hours in doom eternal

i love immora

[violet zealot]

In Super Gore Nest, there is one suit token that I cannot get, it looks like it’s behind a wall and I’m completely unsure how to unlock it.

[ember void]

you need to collect the extra life on the gore platform.

[mossy nova]

i love immora

[ember void]

this can be done by smashing through a crack in the wall inside the room that introduces the dread knight demon.

[violet zealot]

Ah thanks, though just to challenge myself a bit and I have no life, I’ll try to use meathook to get up there.

[quartz charm]

Is that one meathook skip still possible in the tn ml?

[mossy nova]

does doom guy have a girlfriend

[gilded cargo]

he had a wife i think idk

[violet zealot]

I somehow got it with the meathook

[crimson ocean]

do spectres have front armor

[ember void]

no

[mossy nova]

davoth is shrek 😱

[ember void]

they're one ssg shot to the face

[trim lagoon]

hey there, does boosting system take into account if player grinds through singel player (e.g. darklord level)?

like will those xp get shared to "subscribers"

[mossy nova]

davoth is shrek (NOT CLICKBAIT!!!!1)

[ember void]

I thought it was just battle mode matches. could be wrong. unsure.

[trim lagoon]

aye no clue

[mossy nova]

immora is a cool mission

[vast venture]

Anyone having trouble with crashing on the Taras Nabad master level? I been getting roughly halfway through when it crashes. I’m on Xbox series X

[vast venture]

Talking on the pain elemental?

[quartz charm]

What

[vast venture]

The meat book skip,

[quartz charm]

“meat book”

[crimson ocean]

yes

he's asking if the meathook skip you're talking about is done on a pain elemental

[quartz charm]

No
I’m talking about the one in the area with the electric floor

Its before the divinity machine cutscene

[burnt moss]

Found the button thanks

[crimson ocean]

if i beat nightmare without dying and without 1-ups is that equivalent to beating ultra nightmare or are there are other modifers

[ivory ore]

It’s equivalent to UN but you won’t get the skin or anythin

[crimson ocean]

cheating 😼

[fading monolith]

I just shot vega with sticky bomb lmao

[flint flame]

Yes

Those who boosted somebody will receive exp from everything that person does, so their campaign exp, their weekly rewards exp, and battlemode

[flint flame]

Cut content, not actually canon

[fading monolith]

Pictures in game: exist

Get vega’d

[fast cradle]

k den

[fading monolith]

It is canon, there is evidence pointing to it being canon.. specifically pictures in game as an Easter egg.

Lmao

[burnt moss]

How?

Hey is Discord draining my iPhone battery?

[azure oriole]

if i finish the slayer gate and get the key do i have to complete the chapter for it to save?

[fading monolith]

At the beginning of the game in the fortress of doom he’s attached to the computer so you can shoot him all you want

[ivory ore]

It wasn’t canon in the first release of eternal. However as time went on and Hugo intentionally spouted his “ideas” about the lore and saying “X Y Z fan stuff” was canon, the whole lore of doom got cluster fucked

[opal galleon]

Hugo Sez

[ivory ore]

👆

[azure oriole]

i need answers

[fading monolith]

Yes

[azure oriole]

ok

[azure oriole]

That's what happens when you stray too far away from "so the demons need to be blown up cause they hurt his rabbit, let's go." Btw. did you ever complete ultra nightmare using only punch and grenades?

[trim lagoon]

just off from a 8 hour straight marathon fightin dark lord to get the even skins (neglected doin any challanges last few months) 😎

for the first n hours didn realize I was playin on ultra violence and earnin jackshit xp -_-

[ivory ore]

Not yet unfortunately. Planning on moving off island first, so working is gonna take up most of my time

[azure oriole]

glad you escaped your own madness for a bit 😄 gl with the stuff you are doing

[faint remnant]

I saw many players with a black dread knight skin but I have no idea how to buy it or to get. Does anybody know?

[azure oriole]

You get demon skins from BM events completing the demon player challenge tiers.
So far these have been one time events and BM cosmetics are not purchaseable.
But willing to bet BM events reruns start soon

Also the series events have had several demon skins but pretty sure no dread knight skins have been there (the dread knight was added with battlemode 2.0)

[mossy nova]

icon of sin is very thicc

[crimson ocean]

this game's got me so fuckin stressed bruh i'm on the last sgn ml arena on un

already used my saving throw

[ivory ore]

Hey jank how would you feel if I told you I did the ml without using guns

[crimson ocean]

death
decay
destruction, maybe

how many tyrants till the archies come out?

[azure oriole]

Yeah all his skins are exclusive battlemode rewards

Would've been neat if we got even one dread knight MC but whatever mang

[somber cloud]

Whaddap

[ivory ore]

https://youtu.be/5gM_Wev5uUo get Peepeepoopoo’d

[azure oriole]

Hi

[crimson ocean]

trolling

[ivory ore]

5 I believe

[ivory ore]

Watch it for yourself

[crimson ocean]

I DID IT

ok now time to not die to the fucking escape sequence

[opal galleon]

Buck 50 he chokes the run lmao

[crimson ocean]

stfu

[azure oriole]

archies spawn when one tyrant remains

[crimson ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/957390875401527338/978529892012531752/20220524002812_1.jpg

L BOZOS

shit now what
tag 2 un?

it's all gold now, hella

[ivory ore]

Lmao get vega’d

[crimson ocean]

ah he'll nah who reacted with scream

[opal galleon]

Lmao get vega'd

[strange gale]

so pepeja 💦

busiest discord user

[opal galleon]

The real Hell Walker😱

[crimson ocean]

yeah ig i never noticed it until now but discord users got all the time in the world for no reason

if there are gold weapons and armor is there a gold podium

[slow sigil]

Yes but you have to do battlemode🤢

[opal galleon]

Yes but it's tied to playing BM

[crimson ocean]

dies of cringe
can i at least do it as a demon?

[opal galleon]

You have to play a certain amount of games as Slayer/ each Demon

[crimson ocean]

oh wait just games played

[slow sigil]

I think it was like play 50 games for every demon and slayer

[crimson ocean]

that's not even that bad, just grindy

[opal galleon]

Get new joke please

[crimson ocean]

milk made from nuts, such as almond milk

[slow sigil]

Yeah but why grind if you can have fun instead

[crimson ocean]

maybe speak better

[opal galleon]

♻️

[crimson ocean]

hardy har har tbh

certified hardy har har moment

[opal galleon]

This shit is literally a weekly occurrence istg

[crimson ocean]

ye

[crimson ocean]

i mean if it keeps happening then you might wanna change your name

[opal galleon]

I've had this user for two years and I'm heavily associated with it; no

[crimson ocean]

ah

[slow sigil]

No, you need a PHD in theoretical physics if you want mods

Why did ya say that, now hugo will beat you up

[crimson ocean]

abusive relationship

[slow sigil]

He will be your abusive gf if you dont stop modding without phd

[crimson ocean]

also yeah wtf hugo is gonna rob your house

is there bunny hopping in de

[slow sigil]

Yeah

[crimson ocean]

hmmm i wonder if this guy has a gf
makes you think

[opal galleon]

They're the Doom Slayer, they must have one

[crimson ocean]

yet another certified hardy har har moment

doom slayer is aro 👍

[slow sigil]

Doom slayer had relations with deag ranak though

[opal galleon]

True!

[slow sigil]

Why ya letting yourself be slapped

[opal galleon]

Lmao

[crimson ocean]

also why you talking about this in de chat talk to this with your parents my guy

[slow sigil]

Unless it's like a more playfull thing ig

Can't control own strength 🤢

[crimson ocean]

i'm getting some bad undertones imma be real

what are balls

[opal galleon]

Least fucked Doom Slayer role-play account

[crimson ocean]

🥱

[opal galleon]

♻️

[strong ibex]

Lmao if nutmilk was cringe he wouldn't be so popular here

[crimson ocean]

when almond milk exists why is that your first thought

[opal galleon]

Average DS RP Acc comebacks🥱

[burnt moss]

Just finished coin room, am I almost to Archie room?

[opal galleon]

Yeah I'm transferring one of the boosts back here once the cooldown is off I need pepeagony

[crimson ocean]

also wdym "calm down" bro literally just sent an emoji

[strong ibex]

"Grrr, u stinky! glory kills you"

[opal galleon]

It is nearly impossible to function here without proper emote rights😔

[crimson ocean]

pepeagony severance package

[quartz charm]

Your bio
I can’t take it seriously

Ok

Doom addict

[crimson ocean]

dude doesn't even have an anime pfp tf are you on about

[quartz charm]

You probably smell like stale Doritos and dirty quarters

[crimson ocean]

damn the dirty quarters cuts deep

[opal galleon]

Rusted metal💀

[crimson ocean]

so even if he was
so what

[quartz charm]

Still get more head than you do

[crimson ocean]

diagnosis: middle schooler

[ivory ore]

Oh lord is there another slayer role player

[crimson ocean]

yeah one of those types

kind of person to accuse someone of having blue balls when you say anything negative about them

[opal galleon]

Daily occurrence

[crimson ocean]

mkain this video is 30 minutes long 🗿

30 minutes of punching

[ivory ore]

I’d say it’s more of a weekly occurrence tbh, I haven’t seen any 700+ message thread between two dudes saying “no I’m the REAL slayer” lately

[crimson ocean]

WAIT IT'S NOT EVEN A SUPERCUT

how long was the full run

[ivory ore]

What’s a super cut

The full run I’m not sure hang on

[crimson ocean]

wrong term actually but basically just the full run

[opal galleon]

I see atleast one DS roleplay account in here every day so idk

[quartz charm]

What

[crimson ocean]

i remember sitting through a flood of roleplaying

it was just nonstop

skissue

[opal galleon]

Why did you put yourself through that

[crimson ocean]

discord was open
i had no other choice

i think i was reading it while i was doing sgn ml un actually
i probably lost a run or two to it

@ivory ore what runes did you use for that run

[ivory ore]

Air control, equipment fiend, and blood fueled. During my attempts I may have used punch and reave, but I’m not 100% certain if it’s in the final run or not. As for the actual time of it, I think it’s a little over 70 min, or an hour ten

[crimson ocean]

holy shit an hour

[azure oriole]

Air control?? Hiss!!!

[crimson ocean]

air control is so bad smh my head

[ivory ore]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-firebreathing-gif-14634513

[crimson ocean]

how long does the first room of gUNless take

[ember void]

I've heard the funny cat who doesn't use guns say that it takes around 8 or so minutes.

[crimson ocean]

Australia%

has a gUNless run been completed yet?

[ember void]

Yes

[ivory ore]

gunless was completed before, but gUNless hasn’t been completed. Unless we’re including DLC’s, then tag 2 gUNless was done

[crimson ocean]

tag 2 moment

yeah early gunless just sounds like a nightmare

[ember void]

Leave the server.

[crimson ocean]

news to you, no doubt

[ember void]

TRUE

[opal galleon]

Canonical Doom Slayer dialogue

[crimson ocean]

bro who tf even are you

[ember void]

I'm sure I'm speaking for everyone when I say that it'd be better off that you're not here.

[ivory ore]

To be COMPLETELY honest, early gUNless isn’t a nightmare per se. In fact it’s kinda fun, in the sense of like, chess. You can make some mistakes but overall you don’t feel TOO much pressure, but then cultist base runs around then all of a sudden you have a third of the pieces on board and little room for error

[crimson ocean]

yeah i would not be upset if you left

[strange gale]

you have 79 missing assignments related to human biology

[opal galleon]

Lmfao

[ivory ore]

Hellwalker you goofy ass, it’s 🤌 🍕 + 🍝 🍷

[crimson ocean]

is crucible allowed in gUNless

[opal galleon]

yes

[ember void]

How old are you?

[crimson ocean]

poggers

[azure oriole]

Yeah that first

[crimson ocean]

this mf crusty

[ivory ore]

Yeah like nut said, crucible is allowed, but I try to keep it (and the shield) to a minimum. Only in obviously screwy areas (baron pit before kalibas, urdak) I’ll abuse certain things

[crimson ocean]

respect

[opal galleon]

Deag Ranak looking ass

[ivory ore]

Never gonna use the shield raze tech tho bc I dislike the guy who discovered it

[ember void]

Proof?

[crimson ocean]

mf was in a coma for 90% of it, rp isn't even accurate

ah true

[opal galleon]

He's so legit !!

[ember void]

Doom Slayer is called Doom Slayer. Not Hell Walker. Fake.

[crimson ocean]

FAKE FAN

[ivory ore]

I keep thinking your pfp has that Pinocchio nose coming out the right side

[crimson ocean]

can't unsee it

[azure oriole]

Come on fartman is aight. Not knowing your interactions in the past tho.

[opal galleon]

Fuck I'll change it later then, I knew the image was scuffed why did you have to say that bro 😔

[ember void]

LOL

FR FR ONG ?!?!?!

[crimson ocean]

damn sounds like some legal issues could arise from multiple legal names. maybe get a lawyer?

[opal galleon]

I'll revert to old pfp actually mkain did me so dirty

[ivory ore]

To sort of summarize, he was just constantly self advertising in other servers, rude to quite a LOT of people, and when confronted never apologized and acted as if he was better than most people (superiority complex I guess is the word)

[crimson ocean]

lawyer dead lmao

[opal galleon]

They're a complete ass in the modding discord iirc

[ivory ore]

Bro unchained predator doesn’t sound too good

[crimson ocean]

that's what all the girls at his school call him 💀

[ivory ore]

LMAOO

[azure oriole]

Fair enough.

[azure oriole]

Holy shit

[burnt moss]

Guys I just beat TN ML on UV. An extra life and a BFG remaining. I didn’t cheese the coin or Archie rooms with BFG.

[strong ibex]

Continue dreaming, you won't get it

[crimson ocean]

lfg

[opal galleon]

Mkain really destroyed the last pfp😔

[ivory ore]

It’s* in the* codices*

[azure oriole]

Well played!
For the record bfg'ing those rooms is a valid strat, not cheese

[ivory ore]

Just color the hair in

[crimson ocean]

codices?? new word discovered

[opal galleon]

Least goofy DS acc

[crimson ocean]

something something weeb

[azure oriole]

Huh, don't visit that place much so prolly why I've missed it

[opal galleon]

The only comeback ever thought of by man

[strong ibex]

i'm sitting here in math class and jesus christ EC is worse then this shit

[crimson ocean]

this is ec tho

[ivory ore]

Ec?

[burnt moss]

I guess I can see the difference. I had an argument yesterday about whether BFG breaks the game just as much as the Sentinel Armor, so now I’m cautious about using it because Sentinel Armor def feels like a cheat, so BFG could be viewed as one too.

[opal galleon]

Eternal Chat

[strong ibex]

I know

[ivory ore]

Lmao get vega’d hell walker

[crimson ocean]

hello vega

[burnt moss]

What does that stand for?

[strong ibex]

Eternal chat

[ivory ore]

[crimson ocean]

"let's fucking go(ooo)"

[opal galleon]

It can also mean Looking For Game depending on context

[crimson ocean]

yeah that too

[ivory ore]

Lookin for group too

[crimson ocean]

lettuce figs grapes

[ivory ore]

Lookin for guys

[opal galleon]

No relation whatsoever 🗿

[crimson ocean]

[burnt moss]

Like fucking gargoyles

[azure oriole]

Bfg is a crutch but those two rooms are pretty cheap difficulty.
Doable without bfg sure but I don't feel like overcoming a challenge there but rather getting past a cheap difficulty spike.
So bfg go brrrr

[strong ibex]

lusting for guys

[ivory ore]

Truly an EC moment

[burnt moss]

That’s a great way to look at it. Just like my use of Sentinel Armor against the Samur glitch was justified because fuck that glitch.

[ember void]

huh???

[opal galleon]

huh???

[ember void]

everyone here has payed for eternal, yet we all follow the rules

[crimson ocean]

i think he's implying that we all pirated our game

[ivory ore]

Huh???

[crimson ocean]

Huh???

[opal galleon]

guh???

[strong ibex]

he bought DE so he can spam in DE related chats ig

[ivory ore]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nod-catnod-yes-vibe-gif-21529329

[ember void]

I guess he deserves to. he payed the money am I right?

[crimson ocean]

but piracy is based so that's a win for us

[burnt moss]

You guys had to pay?

[ember void]

spell error. laugh at me. now.

[crimson ocean]

paid

[ivory ore]

Peed

[opal galleon]

I won't Pyro. I love you.

[strong ibex]

pea

[ember void]

wow. I am tired. there's my excuse.

[burnt moss]

OMG SO TRUE!

[ember void]

ilyt.

[strong ibex]

you should go sleep ||with me||

[crimson ocean]

beating un makes you forget about the several days you wasted trying to beat it

[burnt moss]

Remind me, when do you fire the BFG in the Archie room?

[ember void]

huh. true. I'll come over.

[opal galleon]

I'll order pizza.

[crimson ocean]

ok and

[burnt moss]

How do you do grey boxes?

[ember void]

I'm straight but what's wrong with being gay?

[crimson ocean]

fr

[strong ibex]

nutmilk comes over too
We can battlemode!!! And Nuclear Throne too ig

[azure oriole]

Yep.
To turn it around, world spear has no such rooms and is fun to do without bfg.
That said I did bfg twice on UN, first time on hammer arena because one of the archies got away (messed up my combo) and other time in the final fight to get rid of doom hunters quickly

[ember void]

please grow up, Hell Walker.

[opal galleon]

Men are awesome

[crimson ocean]

dies of battle mode

[opal galleon]

Steroids B skin grind :Death:

[strong ibex]

you're's grammar are bad to

[opal galleon]

Please fix the grammar in your sentence before trying to send some flaccid comeback

[crimson ocean]

answer the question 🗿

[strong ibex]

np

[ember void]

Hell Walker never answered my question either.

[opal galleon]

EC health on the rapid decline

[azure oriole]

I'll dm you a clip, hold on

[crimson ocean]

state of emergency for ec

[ember void]

I'm wrong. he did. huh. I suppose I am tired.

[strong ibex]

Deep down we already know it can only be one digit

[burnt moss]

Someone tell me how to do grey boxes

[crimson ocean]

one morbillion years

[ember void]

I think that's obvious.

[azure oriole]

These? || spoiler ||

[burnt moss]

Yes please

[opal galleon]

||If you're on pc you can just highlight || Not sure about mobile though

[crimson ocean]

||likethis||

[burnt moss]

|grey|

[azure oriole]

Type || on each side of the text you want to hide

[crimson ocean]

||two of them||

[burnt moss]

||how are you showing me then?||

[burnt moss]

How come it’s not making yours grey?

[opal galleon]

Please participate in your current classes instead of being on Discord

[spice condor]

||magic||

[crimson ocean]

it's a secret (i put \ between the |'s)

[spice condor]

no its ||magic||

[crimson ocean]

||true||

[burnt moss]

But it isn’t visible!

[crimson ocean]

yeah

[opal galleon]

||Magic ||

[ember void]

I will for sure be warned for this but...

[crimson ocean]

bye

[spice condor]

||lmao||

[ember void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937766572657872907/978546588349771816/IMG_8154.png

[opal galleon]

You'll be warned for a good cause, it's worth it

[crimson ocean]

how is that a warnable offense

[ember void]

I see it as sorta shit-posting. do not care.

[strong ibex]

it's the kys guy i think

[crimson ocean]

well i know it's ltg

[opal galleon]

It's technically in context though it falls under meme and latter gets prioritized 😔

[spice condor]

if you post a meme you lose your spleen

[crimson ocean]

No spleen?

[opal galleon]

Shatterspleen😳

[spice condor]

no spleen? 🥺

[crimson ocean]

what the fuck shitterspleen

[opal galleon]

?????

[burnt moss]

||magic?||

[opal galleon]

||magic ||

[strong ibex]

||DEUTSCHE MAGIE!||

[crimson ocean]

did you know that mult's "gotcha" achievement in risk of rain 2 (killing an imp overlord with a preon) is a doom reference? gotcha is the internal name of a classic doom map, and preon behaves identically to the bfg in modern doom

[opal galleon]

😱

[burnt moss]

Omg what is happening?

[crimson ocean]

also ||skill isssue lmao||

[opal galleon]

That is insane bro !!!! The music of doom kick in !

[azure oriole]

@burnt moss seems I can't dm you so I'll just put it here:
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxOtyjCCyZFbPasuCpQxdd7l0hvTtcq1Pu

[spice condor]

Gotcha! is MAP20 of Doom 2, yeah.

[crimson ocean]

scream emoji'd, in my own home

[opal galleon]

Preon kinda mid doe ngl

[crimson ocean]

yeah

[burnt moss]

Oh so the BFG takes out the Archies?

[azure oriole]

yeah tendrils kill the AVs behind the barrier

makes that room a pushover instead of a place of semi-frustrated buttseggs

[crimson ocean]

wait there's a section of tn ml where archies hide behind walls

[opal galleon]

yes

[burnt moss]

Yeah

[crimson ocean]

i am not excited

[azure oriole]

hence the BFG trick

[burnt moss]

It’s terrible

[opal galleon]

It feels as if an arena designer was venting while creating that fight

[burnt moss]

No no, having done that room with use of just 1 crucible, I can say it is extremely angry buttseggs.

[strong ibex]

i can already hear hugo crying because the marauder said peepeepoopoo head to him

[crimson ocean]

gn ec, get well soon

[opal galleon]

It will never get well, just worse

[azure oriole]

Haha!
I also crucibled the tyrants. To me that room is more satisfying the faster you get it done

[strong ibex]

this shit ain't getting well anytime soon

[ember void]

Unfortunately true.

[opal galleon]

I miss doom eternal gamer..

[azure oriole]

You could kill the tyrants regularly though just as well if you know fast combos to take them down

[opal galleon]

The only true Doomer.

[ember void]

Uh. did something happen to him?

[ocean bramble]

When will it hit rock bottom then

[azure oriole]

Well duh, he was THE doom eternal gamer

[opal galleon]

I don't see them active anymore 😔

[burnt moss]

I did that. I lost one or two extra lives in that room. But the crucible was for the last Archie.

[opal galleon]

Right now

See? Called it

[ember void]

lol.

[opal galleon]

The fake Doom Slayer.

[strong ibex]

I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE

[ember void]

he's the real one. he said "No."

[opal galleon]

So true!

[ember void]

Really?

Technically he isn't you but okay.

[strong ibex]

i want to die

[opal galleon]

Inb4 lore correction

[ember void]

"I'm new here, say hi!"

[azure oriole]

@azure oriole

lel

[strong ibex]

someone please ram a world spear through my taras nabad

[ember void]

hiii~

Really, Doom Slayer?

[strong ibex]

i did not imply sex with that but whatever gets me away from this hellhole

[ember void]

dnc

[mossy nova]

my head hurts so much

[ember void]

😱

Why am I here. Goodbye.

hope I do too

[strong ibex]

i'm imps

[azure oriole]

@azure oriole for the record you can ignore my previous ping

[strong ibex]

filter bypassing ‼️

[azure oriole]

it'll get you a warning

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928

[scenic egret]

No.

[brittle quest]

No you aren't

[spice condor]

real dom sleigher?!

[brittle quest]

[gilded cargo]

i really hope this is satire

[spice condor]

mom said its my turn to be flyn taggar

[lapis saddle]

Just an edgy troll. Do not feed

[spice condor]

but its so much fun

[brittle quest]

Free entertainment

[gilded cargo]

theyre hungy

roasted!!1

[brittle quest]

asssss

[spice condor]

come on show me some better material. im bored

[gilded cargo]

look at your keyboard

the exclamation mark is the same key as the 1

[ivory ore]

me when mobile

[spice condor]

he doesnt have one. he uses his mind because he is real doom slayer (confirmed)

[ivory ore]

(real)

[spice condor]

when he said "iam Flynn Taggart" I was really swayed.. you know?

[gilded cargo]

he has the berserk powerup rn, which is why he is ( in my opinion ) objectively the doomslayer

[spice condor]

he has that "unf" to his voice which is why he is real doomslayer

[gilded cargo]

unf

[spice condor]

unf

got that space bar to untagged wall sound to em

i like your favorite word

yep

whats it like in the box

[ember void]

Cool.

[strong ibex]

beastiality 101

[ivory ore]

Lmao can't capitalize after every sentence moment

[mossy nova]

davoth is the father of doom guy theory

[ember void]

The father of Doom Guy is I.

[ancient mist]

???

DAD?

[barren cradle]

Only one level left for me to complete Ultra nightmare

[mossy nova]

good luck

[scenic egret]

what am i even reading anymore lol

[mighty pilot]

That's not even really a theory, it's basically fact.

Davoth influenced the universe so that a copy of himself would rise up and destroy the Maykrs.

[lapis saddle]

So not his literal father but his indirect creator

[azure oriole]

I'm fairly certain this influence only took place via the divinity machine.
Doomguy was originally a human with no connections to dark lord.
Honestly this is exactly how tag 2 ruined the lore

or at least made it really convoluted

[slow sigil]

yeah, before the divinity machine he literally wasnt at all connected to davoth
they look alike for.... no fucking reason, they just do

[azure oriole]

yeah and the "he is you.." ending of tag 1 makes no sense now

[slow sigil]

it does not

it wouldve been cool, making davoth a cool evil doomguy that went and become ruler of hell because he is an alternate doomguy
but no, he God now

[thorny crag]

Ah yeah lmao never thought of that

[azure oriole]

yeah something like that, a mirror image of doomguy

and explain it half decently

[thorny crag]

But i mean most of tag 1 and 2 dont make no sense

[random vault]

Oh fr?

[thorny crag]

heh "dive suit" lmao

[thorny crag]

yeah doomguy just fu ing jumps on a dread knight and glory kills him in the last cutscene before the final fight

[slow sigil]

wouldve been better too

[random vault]

cool

[slow sigil]

tag1 does, but tag2's lore just completely fucks it up

[random vault]

Fr fr ong?!?!?!

[ember void]

Are you really retired from DOOM?

[azure oriole]

Imo base campaign has pretty great story / lore
Tag 1 starts going a little out there with seraphim / samur and he just going "ok you have to get this ball from blood swamps now because that's a thing"
Tag 2 basically ignores the set up to create this creator - creation thing including a tasty betrayal

[slow sigil]

tag2 shouldve gone further with "you from their world" at the least

tag1 was alright enough imo, the balls are ok cause it was just straight up never talked about so yeah ok sure

[digital jewel]

Hi

I never even cared about the lore that much, I just want to kill things

[azure oriole]

yeh tag 2 should be more consistent with tag 1
but even in tag 1, okay you go get the father's sphere as he could seal urdak, makes enough sense.
But then all of a sudden there's the dark lord ball and you grab it instead and destroy the father's ball(s) and then you fight samur and "he is you"

I was like... am I drunk or something?

Now: if Eternal's campaign had NOT established a connection between og Doomguy and slayer, this wouldn't be that much of an "issue"
If Eternal + TAGs were their own, contained storyline

I however really like what Eternal's campaign did, as that fits in with old games as well as 2016

[random vault]

good for you

[digital jewel]

Yes

[slow sigil]

tbf that's semi explained, though not directly. doomguy picked davoth's ball because if davoth dies, all demons cant do shit anymore. but if Vegafather is brought back then the demons will still be able to ravage a lot of places, just not nearly as deadly anymore. therefore it was better for doomguy to pick davoth, and samur didnt at all want doomguy to win because.... well idk for sure

[azure oriole]

the choice makes sense yeah, but the dark lord's testicle just was there, conveniently

[slow sigil]

cause vegafather couldnt bear actually killing davoth, so he trapped him

you would think an godlike-AI would know that death is a better mercy then infinite imprisonment but oh well

[azure oriole]

which is a retcon from tag 2

[slow sigil]

yeah

[azure oriole]

I mean is this a big deal? Hell no
But sometimes less is more, especially lorewise
TAGs could of had more grounded stories

like said imo campaign pretty much nailed it

expand on slayer's origins, introduce the maykrs and how they tie to hell and sentinels

[slow sigil]

ngl i kinda wished the makyrs where more hinted at and we got more on the sentinels, and then NEXT game focus on makyrs

[azure oriole]

yeah would have worked too

I liked that the maykrs allowed the game to go into lil bit a different direction (urdak / heaven) though

[slow sigil]

true, it's a nice heaven

[azure oriole]

Anyway I do hope that the sentinel storyline is indeed wrapped up and next game has doomguy with new motivations (as he seems to have conveniently lost his powers at the end of tag 2)

It's not stated, but implied

And I tend to think tag 2 was set up like it was for that exactly

[slow sigil]

true but i hope they will make a detour from doom with that sealing ending

and someone gotta get him out too

[azure oriole]

oh sure, I meant next Doom game, whenever that is. Next game from ID likely and hopefully not doom

[slow sigil]

true, maybe they will try and do something original again

[azure oriole]

really hope so, though new Quake is a feasible speculation

not against that but something entirely new would be neat

[slow sigil]

fairly certain it will be quake, since i think ID said they where going back to an old shooter right? and since wolfenstein was outsourced i dont think that would be it...

[azure oriole]

Idk if they have yet exactly stated what they'll make (high hopes for Quakecon reveal this year) but Hugo said in a stream that next game will be slower paced I think

like move slower but hit harder. "If Eternal is a race car, next ID game will be a monster truck"

[slow sigil]

as long as it's good, and still relatively fast or just more tactical

[azure oriole]

yeah, I doubt they'll do a "mil sim" like slow but rather something more akin to rage or doom 3

maybe

[slow sigil]

or a more balanced and more complex eternal, but with less speed

[ivory ore]

next game is rage 3 😳

[azure oriole]

have said it before, wouldn't be against that either

[heavy ocean]

Doom 3 compared to eternal or 2016 us hella slow. Kek

Still fun and kinda holds up though

[azure oriole]

it is but can be played pretty fast if you want and I love the chunky gunplay

I don’t care what ip the next game is, as long as it is close to doom eternal’s style of gameplay

[heavy ocean]

The gunplay certainly did feel beefy which was fun

[frigid kite]

Jokes aside I actually want a rage 3 because I want to give another chance for them to make things right. Rage 2 already has great gameplay.. all it needs is great story.

[random vault]

next game is game

[azure oriole]

and rage 2 was only partly developed by id software, with Avalanche being the main developer

[slow sigil]

If Eternal is a race car, the next game will be a monster truck

• hugo

[ivory ore]

aint you supposed to be asleep

[random vault]

no, its time wake up lol

my alarm went off

[azure oriole]

I don’t just mean speed, i mean the funzone and the engaging combat that hugo designed. Although being fast is still cool

[frigid kite]

Sustavo fringe

Walter black

Jesse purplewoman

[ocean bramble]

Next game better counter metafication

[slow sigil]

metafication?

[ocean bramble]

I mean when people make stuff so efficient the challenge and fun is lost and serious enemies are then Jokes incarnate

[ivory ore]

so basically dont say "oh yeah quickswapping is meant to be in the game"

bc we all know it wasnt

[slow sigil]

sooo proper balancing of the game then
and even then you can't completely remove it, there will always be 1000 hours fanatics who just completely mastered it

[slow sigil]

it wasnt meant to be in the game.... but all the game mechanics which makes up quickswapping where intented

[ocean bramble]

Ive played a game for above 2k hours yet am barely above average in performance

[slow sigil]

different weapon swap tiers, PB being instant and decently hard hitting, all intended

[slow sigil]

i also mentioned fanatics

[ocean bramble]

There are people easily with 15k hours

[strange gale]

because you don't play with the conscious intention of getting better, you play for the sake of it

[ivory ore]

aint no fucking way someone has 15k hours in eternal

[azure oriole]

foreveronline

[ocean bramble]

Not talking about eternal hours but in a different game

[slow sigil]

eternal =/= all other games

[ocean bramble]

I heard theres a cursed dude with 50k hours on 1 account

[azure oriole]

But a good way to practice would be to do several runs where you do only specific weapon combos for everything, till you have done that with all possible combos

that's a very intensive way of improving, probably the easiest way also most boring way but then it becomes easy to chain them afterwards

[ivory ore]

as someone said a while ago, skissue

[azure oriole]

50k hours in a single game? he must have played it for many years then, that's wild stuff, serious dedication

[heavy ocean]

Classic mode master levels? 😆

[ivory ore]

id wager its a world of warcraft player

[ocean bramble]

Tf2 player

[ivory ore]

most of those hours are probably in trading servers then

[heavy ocean]

Dear user, please fight tyrant with a shotgun

[ocean bramble]

Not even traders Have that much

At least a huge majority

[strange gale]

apply this logic to video games:

2k hours spent working out without any progressive overload, without a good range of motion or enough protein for substantial muscle growth to occur, doing exercises that only cause a burning sensation without any real stress applied to the "targeted muscles" (i.e. little to no extension or flexion), and without any cardio will leave you with little to no results

[ocean bramble]

Maybe a smaller minority

[ivory ore]

doubtful, dont traders just leave their acc running ads on servers 🤣

[heavy ocean]

Some people ride bikes just cos they ride bikes and they never want to race or be on a strava leader board or even really care if they track a ride. They just like it.

They don't ride to train and though they might be vested and care if their fitness improves. They're not engaging in any focused training.

Like that. Its just fun so its done.

[ocean bramble]

Maybe but its usually never that much accumulated time

[strange gale]

the argument i'm replying to is that deternal is somehow horribly balanced because snipe is better at it than some other game he spent more time in

[ocean bramble]

I dint say that

[heavy ocean]

I do like that you don't need to be an ultra nightmare mega God speed running here and there to have miles of replay and fun in the game.

[ocean bramble]

I mentioned how much metafying it removes any challenge and fun also making a lot of enemies as jokes

And you cant really go back once you go meta

[slow sigil]

then the game should be balanced so the enemies wouldnt be as much of a joke this isnt a player issue at all

[strange gale]

snipe: "Next game better counter metafication"

snipe: "I mean when people make stuff so efficient the challenge and fun is lost and serious enemies are then Jokes incarnate"

luci: "sooo proper balancing of the game then revenantshrug
and even then you can't completely remove it, there will always be 1000 hours fanatics who just completely mastered it"

snipe: "Ive played a game for above 2k hours yet am barely above average in performance"

every game that isn't 100% randomized every time you start it up has things that work consistently. therefore you can get better at doing those things, and then you find better ways to do things.

[ocean bramble]

Its only higher up

[ivory ore]

great argument lucitik, however, cat

[slow sigil]

and games with huge RNG just have... well huge RNG which could be fairly bad

[strange gale]

it's not a solved game by any means, and reliable things in the game working reliably is a poor argument for supposed poor balance

"oh chess is 100% solved because this formation beats another formation consistently"

[heavy ocean]

Well im glad you guys are that good. Cos all the tips and tricks and nightmare is still a challenge. Pb/rocket combo all ya want- its still a challenge and that makes it fun.

[ocean bramble]

Isnt marauder intended to be threatening and not someone you can quickly get bored of and annoyed once you play at a higher level

[strange gale]

ok so you somehow missed all of the marketing, especially the key word "skill-based". it's not a horror game

[azure oriole]

My friend who only plays halo and cod says doom eternal is a horror game

[ocean bramble]

I mean not someone you cant beat but someone you dont yawn at when you do the skilling

[strange gale]

the dark souls community has people in it who make anything in those games look like a joke. you have to apply that logic to every single player game that isn't a roguelike (very few are)

[slow sigil]

not at all, the marauder was made in mind that people who dont swap, will swap on the marauder and get onto the action that way. not at all is it about being threatening because marauders simply arent with how they are made against people who just know that they can swap

[strange gale]

have you seen "no damage, no roll, no parry, no blocking, no sprint, no jump, no summons, no weapon arts, no consumables, no casting, RL1, R1 only" runs of malenia? this is just a property of basically every game

you can make maras artificially hard again by just making them unfalterable and giving them stupid speed & damage buffs. the base enemy is a tutorial.

now the game straight up tells you the correct strategy (which has a relatively low executional barrier) after dying to him once. how do you figure that reflects on your view of the enemy?

[mossy nova]

I spended 184.5 hours in doom eternal

[ember void]

**wasted

[quartz charm]

I wasted like 400 something hours

[mossy nova]

Fun fact: imps have goat pupils you can see it on a side stab glory kill

[quartz charm]

Yes

I miss the glowing eyes tbh

[mossy nova]

I wished my laptop can support hdr

[quartz charm]

Same 😔

[mossy nova]

Whats better sigil or gold bfg skin

[strange gale]

it's impossible to have anything with a static level of difficulty remain intimidatingly hard, regardless of the selected difficulty level, the enemy's and your movesets, its and your damage and health values, etc.

god hand turns up the difficulty to level "die" if you go a significant amount of time without dying but even at that point it's not straight up humanly impossible to keep doing well. pushing this to the extreme means that the top 0.0001% or whatever portion of players will run into difficulty so high that it becomes humanly impossible to keep doing well. those players won't stay around.

somebody somewhere will eventually figure out a meta to anything. having a meta, i.e. reliable tools & strategies is good. they give any discipline a clear ladder of progression, and progression feeling good is something so deeply embedded within our brains that trying to design something with no way to get better (what snipe wants, idk if making a good game like that is even possible) is straight up not designing for human players.

[mossy nova]

Sentinel hammer + crusible

[random vault]

Did someone say cat

[azure oriole]

what he said

plus, you design a game meant to appeal to the 0.0001 % extreme hardcore fanbase only, your game sells a couple of copies and you go bankrupt

I for one find enjoyment in mastering an initially difficult game so that it's barely a challenge anymore.

[azure oriole]

do you like stone or gold? Lol
I prefer Sigil, it looks like some ancient alien weapon or smth

[mossy nova]

i like gold better because its so shiny

[strange gale]

imagine world class marathon biking where the more you win, your bike becomes increasingly less and less functional

[mossy nova]

for some reason i got sick

[azure oriole]

uh huh. That's practically punishment for mastery, not reward.

I mean evolving difficulty is cool as a concept but it rarely, if ever, works in practice

[slow sigil]

difficulty options just are supreme

[azure oriole]

Not to mention huge appeal of Eternal's difficulty is its fairness.
If the difficulty was cheap, the game would have been forgotten about probably already

[strange gale]

game devs have known this for years, you increase difficulty by figuring out scenarios where the player has more reliable options than previously but has to apply them in different/better ways

[slow sigil]

it's just that the rich popular studios dont give a fuck cause that takes time

[strange gale]

challenge runs where you decrease your options but play the same content are satisfying when beaten but god are they boring during each run

you already know how to use the smaller toolkit optimally and you already know the content in and out, at this point it's just routing and improving your execution of said route

[azure oriole]

I highly recommend watching Pliny The Welder's video about Doom Eternal and difficulty done right.
He used Titanfall 2 as counter example: the higher the difficulty, the LESS you are encouraged to use your tools but rather camp around a corner
Doom Eternal not only encourages but basically requires the use of all (well, almost) tools on highest difficulty

Yes yes you get good enough and you can start bending the game to your will but again, the game needs to motivate you to keep playing and getting better in the first place

TF 2 isn't a badly designed game though, far from it, but just that it takes the cookie cutter approach to difficulty.
You die faster, enemies die slower.

You are punished for movement instead of rewarded

Also some games are really divided about this, shooters in particular. Where they try to do this middleground between realistic tactical and fast paced and end up not working as either really

[random vault]

tf2?

[azure oriole]

Titanfall 2

[random vault]

oh

i like tf2

[azure oriole]

which one? 😄

[random vault]

The one with 2 fortresses

[azure oriole]

xd

[random vault]

Never played titanfall

[azure oriole]

Like said I like Titanfall 2 actually but Pliny used it as a counter example of a movement based shooter that actually devolves into a cover shooter at highest difficulty

Another good example is Half Life 2.
Hard is nothing but your weapons doing less damage and enemies doing more.

The highest difficulty does not require more skill to play. Actually it requires less as the game encourages you to play passively.

[slow sigil]

honestly enemy health shouldnt be altered at all except for maybe the lowest difficulty

[azure oriole]

Indeed, that's the cornerstone of fair difficulty imo.

Do not take player's ability to deal with encounters away

Your tools, weapons etc should be just as effective on "hard" as "easy"

[random vault]

fr

(French revolution)

[azure oriole]

(In Half Life's case doesn't help nearly all ranged enemy attacks are hitscan)

"Fun"

[random vault]

Fun

[mossy nova]

what is the best support rune ?

[azure oriole]

I use break blast or w/e is the one creating a faltering explosion on weak point break

[slow sigil]

overall it's break blast, but life take back is OP in hordemode

[azure oriole]

yeah for horde it's def take back

[slow sigil]

the BP one is in like, certain techs kinda good? but having to be below 75 hp is mood

[olive hearth]

is it just me or do i never use the crucible

[azure oriole]

it's good if you are constantly low health but then you should just work on avoiding damage and restacking

I was surprised take back rune worked in horde mode actually, as it does not work on extra life mode on either dlc

[mossy nova]

doom eternal is like doom 64 and doom 2016 is like doom 3

immora is the best mission

[slow sigil]

it's not really an exciting tool nor THAT powerfull

[jaunty vapor]

It's funny cause I don't even think this would be inherently a death sentence for all games (I actually love old CoD games on veteran, they start to play like a strategy game which is kinda fun), but for TF2 the higher difficulties were definitely ass.

At the very least though, Doom 2016 and Eternal feel like they reinforce good play rather than completely reworking the central gameplay loop. I think that's why something like Brawler inevitably fails, it turns this fast paced resource management playstyle into a slow, campy style (which is funny when the namesake is about being up in demons faces)

[mossy nova]

doom eternal is like doom 64 and doom 2016 is like doom 3 again

[thorny crag]

why tf does the tyrant seem to die quicker in everyone else's videos/streams then in my game

am i just bad

[jaunty vapor]

There's an obvious answer

Depends on who you're looking at, what you're doing, etc.

[mossy nova]

i like how davoth just gives up and lets doom guy kill him

[thorny crag]

Well watching Xamide rn

[jaunty vapor]

The fastest ways to kill a Tyrant would SSG punch swaps, or PB - rocket - slobs. I dunno which Xamide does (probably depends on the Tyrant tbh), but those are the two fastest.

[mossy nova]

i cant learn pb and rocket

[jaunty vapor]

Only other faster method would be Crucible animation canceling but I figure that one is obvious

[thorny crag]

But not only Xamide lmao i watched one video and in it the tyrant went to glory kill state after like 3 triple rockets and one BP and one frag grenade i think and i was confused

[jaunty vapor]

Well the damage docs are pinned here if you're curious

[thorny crag]

i never use the crucible too lol

[mossy nova]

why did dr hayden didnt use the wraiths crystal

[full crystal]

fastest way ive found is pb-rocket-double lockon quicklock, frag in between the 2 double locks so it falters him as i get up and ssg, bloodpunch cancel

i think 3 seconds is all it takes

[ivory ore]

Crucible

[jaunty vapor]

Either way it's not surprising that speedrunners like mute, Xamide, Bowser etc would look like they're killing Tyrants faster. There's a bunch of small factors that might not even be hugely noticable to some players.

There's still people who forget Ice Bomb adds 50% damage or whatever the numbers are once upgraded. XD

[full crystal]

i thought tyrants were resistant to the ice comb damage boost

or at least i heard it somewhere, i never use it on them anyway

[slow sigil]

Except against the ssg

[jaunty vapor]

Not really. The only thing i- what Luci said

Tyrants take extra damage from SSG pellets, but damage is capped at 1600 no matter how many hit or if ice bomb hits

[azure forum]

So ice bomb a tyrant isn't ideal then?

[slow sigil]

Well, theres more weapons then just the ssg

[jaunty vapor]

Depends. Dblading them is great, lock on still works, etc. BFG/Unmaykr too if that's your cup of tea.

[azure forum]

No, I mean if damage is capped at 1600 anyways

[ivory ore]

Using the SSG on a frozen tyrant will deal the same damage as it would without the ice bomb, bc ssg has a damage cap, is what BS was saying

[jaunty vapor]

It's only with SSG that the damage gets capped

[ivory ore]

You’d still wanna use the ice bomb, bc other weapons don’t have that damage cap

[mossy nova]

what if the full upgraded ssg from doom 2016 got mixxed with the eternal version

[jaunty vapor]

And the only thing that increases the damage cap is Onslaught

What if indeed.

[ivory ore]

Insert obligatory “there’s a mod for that”

[mossy nova]

the marauder with spirit is fun

[azure oriole]

ah but that's the thing: old CoDs were aiming to be somewhat mil sims from the get go.
You had to stay crouched, prone, take cover, move from cover to cover, you know as a soldier would.
There higher diff increasing lethality makes sense.
And actually, by doing that the game is enforcing the use of its systems, in a way

[full crystal]

you know what i would like in the next game is if there was an option to turn on damage numbers in game so you can see how much damage your weapon combos are doing and if certain enemies are resistant to things without having to refer to a data mined spreadsheet that someone else posted online

[azure oriole]

Learning use of weapons, cover, moving is no longer "optional", it's practically mandatory
Follow up on my prev msg

[full crystal]

i remember my first time playing cod4 at a friends house and was constantly frustrated that i couldn't run and gun like all the other fps that i've played up to that point on pc

[azure oriole]

And iirc in CoD enemy health isn't increased by difficulty. A headshot is a kill.

ergo, your tools are just as effective still

[azure oriole]

I liked playing military shooters at the time and boy was CoD 4 good

[full crystal]

was a slog for me. the previous fps that i played before cod was FEAR and cod just didnt match up to what i wanted out of an fps

[azure oriole]

Yeah it's very different. I'd pick FEAR over CoD any day too or any other faster paced shooter but CoD 4 was quite good as a semi-realistic military shooter

[full crystal]

cod4 was ok on the mid difficulty where you could still go ham with a shotgun occasionally but anything higher and its a game of wack a mole as as you hide behind cover 95% of the time and pop up with your assault or sniper rifle

[mossy nova]

Invasion mode sounds fun

[azure oriole]

or just cruicible

[strange gale]

😱 wow no way! nobody's ever thought of that!

[mossy nova]

When is invasion mode

[azure forum]

Ohh got it! I was confused. So frozen dblade would deal 4800 roughly?

Actually, 50% would make it around 3600. I was thinking about 2x

[ruby solar]

Greetings fellow Slayers

[mossy nova]

Greetings

[ruby solar]

Does the Sentinel Hammer boost both Armor and Health when you use it with the Ice Bomb and Flame Belch combo?

Because if so, that’s really useful.

[slow sigil]

Yeh

[ruby solar]

Would’ve been good to know during the World Spear Master Level. Yes, I got TAG-2 the day before yesterday.

[ember void]

cancelled.

[ruby solar]

cancelled.
@ember void probably for the best.

[ember void]

true!

[ruby solar]

We would’ve been miserable if people started invading our games. Demons with actual skill.

Hold up. Didn’t Daisy die when doomguy had his OG armor?

There’s a portrait of him in the fortress of doom, in his 2016 Praetor Suit, holding daisy.

[slow sigil]

It would be a toggle

Which means it wouldve been dead not even 2 weeks after release

[azure oriole]

that portrait is fan made

[ruby solar]

Oh. Well that’s cool

[strange gale]

how is that relevant? it's still included in the official game as something in plain view within the hub, not in some obscure corner of a random level

[slow sigil]

The entire slayer's personal room can be disregarded, nothing in that room makes sense lore-wise. It's just really cool

[ruby solar]

The Rule Of Cool lives.

Anyone need help finding the last cheat code?

[shell tulip]

Is it normal that I didn't have shield on my chaingun in battlemode, or that I couldn't edit my runes etc..?

[azure oriole]

you get a suprise in the slayer's personal room when you get all the cheat codes (hint its the doom series start)

[ruby solar]

I know. It’s awesome

I LOVE quakecon mode

[azure oriole]

Love that how you can literally play doom 1 and doom 2 in doom eternal

[jaunty vapor]

Yes, that's normal. A few weapon mods were removed from Battlemode, either due to balance issues or because they caused immense lag (Dblade is the culprit for that one)

[shell tulip]

ah man not my dblade

[azure oriole]

wait dblade got erased

[ruby solar]

Also, when you complete the you collection, you get a jumbo sized toy.

[azure oriole]

yeah you get the icon as a toy

[jaunty vapor]

Yeah, this was like forever ago.

[azure oriole]

what about the turret

and shield?

[jaunty vapor]

Mobile Turret is still in, Energy Shield was removed due to balance issues (it was too much of a crutch for slayers)

[azure oriole]

oh

[ruby solar]

Did y’all know the Gladiator was likely the last of the original hell knights?

[azure oriole]

wait what

[ruby solar]

wait what
@azure oriole he looks almost exactly like them. With the addition of an eyepatch, armor, and weapons. He has the goat-like legs, then hair, and the horns.

[azure oriole]

i'd believe that theory if the gladiator was able to throw green fireballs

[quartz charm]

How does doom slayer order pizza and not have a bathroom
Where does he shit

[azure oriole]

its the same pizza/snacks that olivia had in her office

[ivory ore]

On his plate

[ruby solar]

i'd believe that theory if the gladiator was able to throw green fireballs
@azure oriole he’s probably gotten so used to his weapons he doesn’t need to rely on his powers.

[slow sigil]

It is space, just throw it out

[azure oriole]

Yeah the thing is in goddamn space bro

[ruby solar]

Like I said, the Gladiator is LIKELY, the Last of the Classic Hell Knights.

[azure oriole]

D E E P L O R E

[ruby solar]

The ones we see in 2016 and Eternal are probably a subspecies of the original Hell Knight.

[jaunty vapor]

I'd imagine m0nologues pinned document has info on what the Gladiator is.

[ivory ore]

I love how y’all think that’s “deep” lore

[azure oriole]

probably because they can't throw fireballs but the 2016 barons can

it could just be a fun reference

or a nod to classic doom, since thats what eternal is

[ruby solar]

I love how y’all think that’s “deep” lore
@ivory ore They’ve connected Eternal to the classic games, how is that NOT deep lore?

[slow sigil]

....by making a boss faintly look like an 16bit enemy?

[ruby solar]

It’s the same Doomguy from the original games.

[ivory ore]

Dawg the devs had said it themselves that the gladiator was modeled after the original hell knight. That’s as deep as the puddle next to a kids pool

[azure oriole]

yes...and your point is?

[azure oriole]

you can clearly tell its the same doomguy if you look in the intro cutscene

[ivory ore]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-picard-star-trek-the-next-generation-disappointed-gif-23456183

[quartz charm]

Imagine that shit lands on earth

[azure oriole]

lol

[slow sigil]

Burns in the athmossphere

[ruby solar]

I accidentally shot a BFG ball at earth.

[azure oriole]

what is wrong with you

[jaunty vapor]

Guys, dopefish is in Cultist Base, that means Deag Ranak must have known about Commander Keen 😱 hidden secret ultra mega turbo omega lore

[ivory ore]

^^^

[azure oriole]

theres 3 of them

[slow sigil]

Lmfao

[jaunty vapor]

I'm aware, yes.

[ruby solar]

Wait. No. Deag Ranak… IS DOPEFISH!!!!

[quartz charm]

“Athmossphere”

[ivory ore]

Damn did you guys know that Mario has a hat? That means he’s sunphobic, deep lore 😳

[azure oriole]

tbh doomguy and hayden probably had something going on between them (its deep lore amirite)

[quartz charm]

Weedfish

Ganjafish

[ivory ore]

Very, as luci will probably tell you

[azure oriole]

techinically he does take damage with no hat in sunshine

[alpine hazel]

remember the days of #eternal-lore

[slow sigil]

No but doomguy and deag ranak did

[jaunty vapor]

Deepest lore, ifyaknowwhatimean

[ivory ore]

Oh god how I wish I didn’t

[azure oriole]

i love myself a fruity protagonist 😍 😍

[slow sigil]

"Deag Ranak now serves the forces of Hell and is rumored to have personal knowledge of the Doom Slayer, suggesting a shared history between the two."

[ruby solar]

No but doomguy and deag ranak did
@slow sigil I originally thought Horde Mode was this “shared history” between them, but then I realized that we visit Reclaimed Earth, and the Holt, which are both AFTER the Invasion of Earth was brought under control.

[slow sigil]

Lmao

[ruby solar]

Lmao
@slow sigil still, would be interesting to see what this “shared history” was.

[slow sigil]

Lovers

[ruby solar]

I mean, Ranak is literally the announcer of Horde Mode.

[ivory ore]

I wonder why they chose ranak, realistically speaking. Was he like, a VA that didn’t have much going on? Did the devs just NOT wanna animate the khan or other lore related beings and just went with the dude in a dress?

[jaunty vapor]

Probably both the VA was willing, and thematically Deag Ranak has a hate boner for Slayer and actually DOES something about it in game (makes Doom Hunters) vs every other enemy who just jerks it until Slayer gets their.

[slow sigil]

Cause the theory that it's fantasising in the coffin about horde is true, ranak is very dear to doomguy despite the betrayel and he still remembers him fondly, reapearing in his dreams

[ivory ore]

I mean for the khan, her VA is pretty high profile supposedly, so her not coming back so to speak kinda makes sense from a budget perspective

[slow sigil]

Same VA of ventress in star wars the clone wars so i would say that is high profile enough

[ivory ore]

Ah that’s right the dude with the dress is the doom hunter one, not the intro cutscene one

[ruby solar]

I wonder why they chose ranak, realistically speaking. Was he like, a VA that didn’t have much going on? Did the devs just NOT wanna animate the khan or other lore related beings and just went with the dude in a dress?
@ivory ore maybe because people liked Ranak’s character?

[ivory ore]

Wait don’t they all have dresses I can’t remember

[slow sigil]

Fairly sure yeah

Doomguy loves femboys confirmed

[ivory ore]

People liked his character? I haven’t seen anyone complimenting his work or demanding for him to return but maybe that’s just me. I mean he was an alright character, but LOVED?

[ruby solar]

People liked his character? I haven’t seen anyone complimenting his work or demanding for him to return but maybe that’s just me. I mean he was an alright character, but LOVED?
@ivory ore liked.

That’s what I meant

[ivory ore]

Since we’re talkin about his character, the hell do you think he was looking at in that weird ass goggles of his

[ruby solar]

Since we’re talkin about his character, the hell do you think he was looking at in that weird ass goggles of his
@ivory ore

Interesting question.

How does he even see?

[alpine hazel]

same tech the doom hunters used maybe

[ruby solar]

Ranak isn’t a cyborg

[ivory ore]

Didn’t he have that headset on sentinel prime tho?

In the cutscenes/codices I mean

[ruby solar]

Didn’t he have that headset on sentinel prime tho?
@ivory ore he did.

[azure oriole]

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Deag_Ranak

There's images of him without helmet too

[ivory ore]

The beast, does he hehe?

[azure oriole]

He has a very attractive face

[alpine hazel]

doubt

[ruby solar]

Deag Ranak was actually afraid of the Slayer. I think he was the only priest to show genuine fear.

[azure oriole]

Probably cuz he was the only one he waited on when he was about to die

[ruby solar]

All the others were like, “guess I’ll die”

[quartz charm]

Goofy ahh

[icy lotus]

But the first priest was also scared as hell

[azure oriole]

He immediately killed the 3rd, and the 1st died pretty quickly and was unaware he could be killed

[ruby solar]

But the first priest was also scared as hell
@icy lotus he didn’t beg for his life like Ranak did.

[azure oriole]

he didnt have a chance lol

[icy lotus]

But he was still afraid

[azure oriole]

"My soul remains guarded, you can't...."
― Deag Nilox last words before meeting his demise.

[ruby solar]

But he was still afraid
@icy lotus he wasn’t, until he realized he COULD be killed.

[ivory ore]

I mean we were choking him so

[alpine hazel]

kinky

[azure oriole]

^

[icy lotus]

But his pure panic and terror while trying to claw his way out of the Slayer's hand, priceless

[azure oriole]

But at that point the other Deags realized they could be killed

[ruby solar]

But his pure panic and terror while trying to claw his way out of the Slayer's hand, priceless
@icy lotus agreed

[ivory ore]

Ain’t one of the priests wearing nipple rings too? Can’t remember

[azure oriole]

uh

They all cover there torso with armor

[ivory ore]

Brb

[icy lotus]

Please don't search "Doom Eternal Hell Priest Nipple Rings" on google

[quartz charm]

Deag Ranak more like dumb nerd

Stupid old nerd 😡😡🤬

[ivory ore]

Nah two of them we can tell aren’t wearing, the third has a chest piece that just covers the nips, so I guess it’s just the mancs

[icy lotus]

Wait, mancs? as in Mancubus?

[alpine hazel]

mancubussy

[ruby solar]

I believe the plural term for Mancubus is Mancubi.

[icy lotus]

Are you implying that Mancubi wear nipple rings?

[quartz charm]

Yes

[ivory ore]

Don’t they?

[alpine hazel]

no iirc

[ruby solar]

Don’t they?
@ivory ore they don’t have nipples.

[quartz charm]

Don’t mancubi have like 6 nipples?

[ivory ore]

Yeah I’d go with mancubi but mancs is faster

[quartz charm]

Istg they have 6 nipples

[ruby solar]

Istg they don’t have any

[icy lotus]

If they are wearing nipple rings, so help me Doom I will rip and tear through the entire campaign + dlc just to kill all mancubi

[quartz charm]

They don’t?

[ruby solar]

I’m looking at it right now.

[quartz charm]

Oh

[ruby solar]

They don’t have any

[ivory ore]

They do have 6 nips

Guess it must’ve been a certain skin that had the rings idk

[ruby solar]

No. They don’t. I’m looking at the codex right now. There are no nipples.

I’m looking at the image. No nips

[ivory ore]

I’m looking at the codex entry for it as well and I can clearly see it

[ruby solar]

Now I’m looking at the thing that lets you see the demon in 3D, on the toy shelf. There are no nipples

[ivory ore]

As fucking terrible as that sounds

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Mancubus/Doom_Eternal

[ruby solar]

Good god, anyone remember the cacodemon back in DOOM 1993? The rear side is so cursed

[ivory ore]

Behold, nipples

[ruby solar]

Hm. Very well then.

[ivory ore]

Anyways I’m off to bed it’s near 4 in the morning night all

[alpine hazel]

gn

[ruby solar]

Still, the OG cacodemon rear side is just wrong.

[ember void]

I should sleep too. It is 7:43 AM and I have yet to sleep.

[quartz charm]

ASS

[ruby solar]

It’s 8:43 for me

I’m at school.

[quartz charm]

It’s 9:44 for me
I’m also at school

[ruby solar]

So, is the Cacodemon a female? Or are those two holes to help… release waste?

[quartz charm]

Idk

[ruby solar]

Only just found out that the Pain Elemental and Archvile were actual demons that first appeared in DOOM 2

Imagine if the Marauder was a demon that first appeared in DOOM.

[quartz charm]

We never see demons shit so idk about the waste part

[crimson ocean]

sounds awful

he’d be so fast

[ruby solar]

sounds awful
@crimson ocean isn’t there a sprint mechanic in the OG DOOM?

[quartz charm]

I’d imagine he’d kinda be like fighting against yourself
But stronger

[crimson ocean]

don’t think so

[burnt moss]

You know why the Marauder isn’t from original doom? Because he SUCKS!!!

[ruby solar]

don’t think so
@crimson ocean I’m pretty sure there is.

You know why the Marauder isn’t from original doom? Because he SUCKS!!!
@burnt moss sounds like a skill issue to me.

[crimson ocean]

btw there’s a reply feature on discord

[ruby solar]

btw there’s a reply feature on discord
@crimson ocean I don’t have it. My phone only lets me quote.

[crimson ocean]

weird. i can reply but i can’t quote

[ruby solar]

Weird.

Once you get the hang of quick swapping, you’ll be able to take down a marauder in at least seconds.

[crimson ocean]

still takes 3 cycles for me, 2 cycles if i land pb headshots

[burnt moss]

Stoplights aren’t consistent with the “keep moving” concept that’s central to the game.

[crimson ocean]

marauders are just so undynamic

it’s like fighting a zelda boss rather that a dark souls boss, if that makes sense

[burnt moss]

That’s assuming he actually turns green. Especially when taking on double marauders it’s infuriating when in stead of flashing green he just runs up to you and shoots you with the shotgun. I just spam stickies and arbalest now because fuck his broken mechanic.

[ruby solar]

That’s assuming he actually turns green. Especially when taking on double marauders it’s infuriating when in stead of flashing green he just runs up to you and shoots you with the shotgun. I just spam stickies and arbalest now because fuck his broken mechanic.
@burnt moss sometimes he literally just hides behind his shield and summons his dog. He doesn’t attack me ONCE. And because I can’t land a hit, he keeps summoning his wolf.

[flint flame]

Oh my god not again

[burnt moss]

Even if he wasn’t broken, I think throwing the axe should open him up for attack.

[crimson ocean]

it’s because of the shitty fodder. they shoot him which procs him to summon a wolf. super annoying

[ruby solar]

Even if he wasn’t broken, I think throwing the axe should open him up for attack.
@burnt moss agreed

[azure oriole]

Do you have an answer from last time tho?

[crimson ocean]

also his ai just fucking breaks when the landscape isn’t horrifically simple. in the sgn ml he’ll just swing at the meat pillars in the third arena at random

[quartz charm]

Sometimes he also gets stuck

[azure oriole]

I hate when he does everything but axe

Especially when its spirited/possesed, making it harder to punch to death

[crimson ocean]

the faster animation speed when spirited or buffed can make the attacks literally unreactable

[azure oriole]

He just didnt use axe at all

I've had this only happen thrice tho

Nice that you can punch them still

[jaunty vapor]

The """funny""" (read: annoying) thing is Marauders and ESPECIALLY Blood Maykrs will.be less aggressive on lower difficulties. The Blood Maykr at the end of Immora in particular just never attacks, it just stares.

There used to be a way to force Blood Maykrs to attack by having them slam attack first (using shield to be invulnerable to it), but they patched that out because screw consistent AI Manip. >_>

[azure oriole]

Bfg them like the ingame tip says 🙂

[ruby solar]

To defeat a tyrant, shoot at it until it dies

[flint flame]

There’s probably a monologue paragraph on this

[strange gale]

patching out ai aggression manip in game where aggression is name of game

[crimson ocean]

what’s weird is that lower difficulties also make the windows for retaliation wider, afaict

[brittle quest]

I can see it being acceptable on ITYD for people who simply can't play the game without getting their dick knocked off, but on any higher difficulty it only inhibits your learning and makes it harder to switch up the difficulty without feeling an abrupt spike.

[strange gale]

aggression manip as in, you can make the ai act more aggressively

[jaunty vapor]

Manipulation of AI.

[brittle quest]

Oh, so the token system in game?

[strange gale]

the slam manip kinda still works, sometimes it'll disable the enemy's shield until you trigger another slam

[jaunty vapor]

-sigh- kind of.

As I said, in lower patches, if you walked up to a Blood Maykr they were forced to slam at you, and would immediately do "an attack", giving a 100% consistent way to open Blood Maykr shields, even on ITYTD

Now, they are not gaurunteed to attack after a slam. They might, they might not.

[ruby solar]

What’s the toughest demon you guys have faced? For me, it would have to be the Gladiator.

[azure oriole]

marauders; im not good with them

[crimson ocean]

i’d say gladiatior is the one i’ve died to the most based on how many times i’ve fought it