doom-eternal

[storm eagle]

My biggest regret is not getting to play everything in its original form. I'd like to see the comparisons

[dapper goblet]

I literally first tried all the encounters in TAG2

But then again I was on Hurt Me Plenty

But still pretty easy dlc in general

[bitter yoke]

Guys, you don't know what to do if the doom eternal has passed on ultra nightmare and you can't choose a level to play with cheat codes? Or do I have to go through all the master levels?

[storm eagle]

Do you have a video of you doing the 2nd Secret Encounter in World Spear?

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-stroke-reading-that's-what-she-said-gif-2753018664090879181

[young mango]

I could make one real quick

[young mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1077069514505728152/1249229792142819359/IMG_9624.jpg?ex=66668b68&is=666539e8&hm=2e4137c8ce0ac43c563c8f548541f3782d48ab224ab370b6d9a0f42154db28b2&

Wtf why did the photo crop like that

[bitter yoke]

What's the big deal? Well, yes, I'm not an American. I use a translator.

[storm eagle]

yes plz!

[storm eagle]

jeebuz

[bitter yoke]

вот же суки даже не помогут ебланы

[dapper goblet]

Lots o’ patches

[young mango]

all of them Infact

[dapper goblet]

Jeez man

[storm eagle]

😵‍💫

[storm eagle]

huh? You have to find the cheat codes to use them. After you finish the campaign you can go back and equip them before starting the level you want.

[verbal wigeon]

It becomes even easier if u complete tag1 on nightmare

[storm eagle]

absolutely

[verbal wigeon]

Also recently YouTube is blocking all 3rd party clients

Sucks really bad. They are really forcing people to buy yt premium

[storm eagle]

WTF

🤬

[verbal wigeon]

Yes it's true

Invidious and other clients are suffering the same fate

Some are speculating that this is just YouTube doing some A/B testing but I am not gonna believe that

[storm eagle]

I've just about had it with the price of everything going up and being forced into b.s. subscriptions

[verbal wigeon]

Yea true

[storm eagle]

P.S. I got McDonald's today and it was like $22 for a meal LOL

[verbal wigeon]

22?

[storm eagle]

yup

Never again

[bitter yoke]

I can't do this.

[storm eagle]

You have to find the cheat code cards in each level to use them later

[bitter yoke]

It's an ultra nightmare

[storm eagle]

Ohhhj

[bitter yoke]

okey

[storm eagle]

There's no level select in UN

[bitter yoke]

Okey thx

[young mango]

The videos finished, all I gotta do is upload it, im including the first escalation encounter since that was necessary to get to the second one

[storm eagle]

If you completed or are playin UN you shouldn't even need cheats at that point tbh

[storm eagle]

awesome can't wait

[serene stone]

I liked Reclaimed Earth

[storm eagle]

Even the prowler?

[serene stone]

Wdym? The Cursed Prowler?

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/r48ktazwCKw

[storm eagle]

yup

[sinful pagoda]

hi

[serene stone]

I don't hate, just find both levels on the lower end of the game

Also Immora's city sections looks like Halo 5 or a Marvel movie or something.

[serene stone]

He's okay I guess. I usually delete him right when he spawns in

[storm eagle]

DAMN fantastic! Swapping level 1,000,000. I need to get faster at using the chaingun shield between other swaps

[storm eagle]

That's fair, lol at Marvel

I couldn't find the 2nd Archvile for awhile when I did the 2nd Escalation Encounter and it got so bad, lol

[regal walrus]

Whiplash*

[storm eagle]

Agreed

Does anyone else use the HC scope to just zoom in and look around sometimes? Especially in Immora I thought it was funny zooming in on the weird ass battles from afar

[austere bronze]

I think I'm just bad with it cuz of ny binds, I have pb on E and punch on F, and for some reason my fingers only want to make it work half the time then

Maybe I should just practice some pb punch swaps today

And rockets too maybe so I can get more than 5 consistently

Now that I think about it I've kinda lost my ability to consistently ballista punch swaps

I'm just bad lol

[serene stone]

Speaking of punch swaps, I have found a way to somewhat consistently Sticky Bomb punch swap today, but there's still some catches unfortunately lol

It seems to glitch my entire weapon swapping and make me cycle through my entire weapon inventory involuntarily with delayed bring up animations so very often...

Or it'll very often make me swap to rockets when I'm not even close to pressing my rockets bind

Idk. It's like Sticky Bomb punch swaps is straight up cursed on Xbox One. Lmfao

[serene stone]

I can usually do two SB punch swaps at most too.

[serene stone]

Ballista punch swaps is so weird. There's like random factors that seem to make it way faster with way less cooldown....or it's very sluggish.

... and it has nothing to do with the Heavy Cannon activating an MSE.

Like it randomly changes after melees, glory kills, and blood punches for example

This game never fails to leave me confused by how it works lol

[austere bronze]

I've never noticed that tbh

[strange gale]

it's not random, but the faster version is frame perfect

[austere bronze]

Just 2 punch swaps seem to be very commom number of amount of punch swaps people can do with rockets and sb

Rockets ik why that is tho

[serene stone]

Wait you know why the Sticky Bombs is making me switch to rockets is what you're saying?

[austere bronze]

Oh no, that i have no idea about

[serene stone]

I just replayed Final Sin and I was able to do Sticky Bomb punch swaps fairly consistently throughout the whole level.

I'm starting to think it has something to do with frame rate.

Final Sin frame rate is smooth.

Since Super Gore Nest Master Level has crappy frame rate it probably glitches the inputs and everything for some reason

[serene stone]

Probably just a faulty or worn out D-Pad ngl lol

[serene stone]

I have started to just do two than swap to a different weapon

[serene stone]

Anyway I was able to decimate everything on Final Sin with high armor and an extremely absurd amount of blood punches with my regular play style and the added Sticky Bombs punch swaps.

[storm eagle]

hey what does everyone play on, and what are your game & video settings at on PC?

[tulip horizon]

Everything to ultra nightmare, and everything is basically on

Runs at 60 fps

[storm eagle]

FOV and FPS and sensitivities?

[tulip horizon]

FOV 120, sensitivity I forgor, it's the default ones tho

[austere bronze]

Nicee

[tulip horizon]

Personally, higher FOV gives a higher sense of speed, making you feel cooler

[austere bronze]

I did that with rocket not so long ago since I had rocket bound to scroll wheel and then you can't punch swap more than 2 rockets (didn't know it at the time)

[storm eagle]

I've got my FOV at 115, sensitivities at 100, and FPS at 90

[tulip horizon]

Dang

[austere bronze]

I play on PC, have everything on low, turned down my gamma a little bit and my FOV is usually like 140 (with the help of console commands)

[tulip horizon]

Ig there's a reason why I shouldn't use an 8 y/o dell laptop to play doom eternal 💀

Sometimes it just straight up crashes on me

[storm eagle]

Could you tell me the benefit of having things set to low? Genuinely curious, I've just been guessing for my settings and finding the line between maximum performance and vertigo 😅

[tulip horizon]

Higher fps

Cuz ur computer uses less CPU which allows it to process the stuff faster

[storm eagle]

noooo

[austere bronze]

This is why: low settings barely makes the game look worse (I didn't notice any change), it increases your FPS which is good and it just generally makes the game more stable

[storm eagle]

This is really helpful

[tulip horizon]

I also recommend if you have a low end device, to set your graphics to lowest before entering Urdak

[storm eagle]

Thank you! That makes total sense.

I've got a pretty high end PC that my brother built

[tulip horizon]

And straight up just don't play UAC atlantica if your device sucks

[tulip horizon]

Ooh man I'm jealous

I'm forced to use my dad's old laptop 😭

[storm eagle]

I got super lucky. My whole family 'cept me are programmers and PC techs and lead devs

I'm the dumbass, haha

[tulip horizon]

Bro got that Linus Family line

Mr tech tips

[serene stone]

Oh you're saying people usually can only punch swap two rockets at a time?

Interesting. I usually do 3 or 4 (but mostly because I want to flow into a new combo), but I can do a lot more, I just mistime it sometimes lol

[tulip horizon]

The heck is punch swapping

[austere bronze]

Idk if it's like that for most people, but I see people struggling with doing more than 2

This is because if you spam the inputs for rocket punch swaps it won't work

[tulip horizon]

Can someone explain what Punch swapping is

[austere bronze]

https://youtu.be/pKuSwtQu83I?si=2ZSy-em4WIxj_1Oa

[tulip horizon]

I wanna see if I can implement it into gameplay

OH

so It reduces the reload time?

[serene stone]

Yeah I know you have to delay it a bit.

I tried infinite ammo for a bit and did like 24 rockets in a row to test than I mistimed at the end lol

[storm eagle]

Where is Tammie, lol. Master of punch swap

[austere bronze]

Basically removes it

[young mango]

The most I’ve ever punched in a row was 74 with the infinite ammo cheat on

[storm eagle]

HAHA ON CUE

[tulip horizon]

Fully automatic

[austere bronze]

https://youtu.be/UqmHw5_KYyU?si=h0YPImw5trqd4poc

Here is with pb, it works with all weapons

[tulip horizon]

Truly a heavy cannon moment

[tulip horizon]

Punch swap bfg 💀

[austere bronze]

The most commonly utilised is rocket, ballista, pb, sticky bombs, and ssg

[serene stone]

Anyway removing PB bind lately is a blessing for me, it's my least favorite punch swap

[serene stone]

What would be the point in only shooting twice

[austere bronze]

The most I've gotten is like 20

[tulip horizon]

I didn't mean it literally

[serene stone]

I'm on Xbox so limited inputs

[young mango]

faster fodder clearing or sumshit, or like if you’re somehow out of every other ammo type and need decent DPS to fend off while chainsaws refilling

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/d2kRSaIHu1o?si=fife5O-S9u6K3PxO

[tulip horizon]

How long does chainsaw take to refill?

[young mango]

20 seconds

[austere bronze]

20 seconds but the animation is 3 seconds

[tulip horizon]

O

[austere bronze]

So it becomes 17 seconds

[serene stone]

I mean it's useful, I've used it for a long ass time, I just started to prefer other punch swaps. Limited binds makes me constantly change things.

I replaced PB with Combat Shotgun this past week.

[tulip horizon]

Like CS base fire?

[serene stone]

Sometimes I punch swap CS base fire to be goofy actually

[austere bronze]

Hmm, I am kinda interesting to hop into an arena and just play as flashy as possible lol

[tulip horizon]

I don't rlly see the point of Punch swapping CS base fire cuz full auto

[serene stone]

But I'm mostly Sticky Bomb punch swapping with the Shotgun lol

[tulip horizon]

Ah I see

[austere bronze]

Unnecessary ballista boosting, meathooking and shit ton of rockets and sticky bombs

[serene stone]

That shit is so fun especially combined with SSG punch swaps

[austere bronze]

Yeah punch swapping base fire is useless

You only punch swap sticky bombs

[serene stone]

Tell that to me unnecessarily punch swap CS base firing an Arachnotron to death.

[austere bronze]

Which is best for fodder clears but I like to just launch like 2 of them at groups of heavies before going to rockets

[tulip horizon]

Style points

[young mango]

from my favorite to least favorite to punchswap:
ballista
ssg
rockets
pb
sticky bombs

[austere bronze]

Here's my list
Rockets
Sticky bombs
Ballista
Pb
Ssg

[serene stone]

Basically the same except SB is higher for me.

It also helps that I think Sticky Bombs have this very beefy sound.

[austere bronze]

If it wasn't for mod swap cancel pb would be above ballista

[serene stone]

Ballista punch swaps are god tier

[tulip horizon]

Cannon

[serene stone]

?

[austere bronze]

There are faster ways to kill it at every stage in the game😭

[tulip horizon]

I tried ballista Punch swapping in Final sin and the thing becomes an automatic turret

Literally shreds that doom hunter into nothing

[young mango]

sticky bombs is basically because it’s kinda stylish yea but I think I did a time comparison once that it’s only about 28% faster of a reload rate, compared to the rough numbers I got from the others compared to their base reload
Pb- 250% faster
rocket- roughly 250% faster as well
super shotgun - 210% faster
Ballista- around 190%, 240% faster with BATS from a weapon like heavy cannon
( I calculated these about a whole year ago so these could be inaccurate )

[tulip horizon]

What's BATS

[young mango]

bring up animation transition switching, you transfer one weapons bring up speed to anothers, the most common form of this used is mod swap cancelling

[serene stone]

Besides maybe doing regular melees on it

[young mango]

also this completely looked over frame ballista, which if even able to be given consistent measurements would definitely have the fastest comparison

[serene stone]

You should see what punch swap SSG does to Doom Hunters when you have a blood punch , especially when they're frozen

I glory killed a Doom Hunter pretty much instantly when they're in ice bomb that way. They still had their sled too.

[serene stone]

I thought you were trying to say canon at first... like it's Doomguy's canonical powers

[tulip horizon]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was tho

I don't think spreading that type of info is safe

[storm eagle]

ah yeah good point, I'll delete it. New to Discord so not sure what's allowed. Thx!

[tulip horizon]

It's not illegal

It's just unsafe

You can share if you want tho

[storm eagle]

That's valid

nah you make a good point

[tulip horizon]

Holeh Moleh

[storm eagle]

Even at first I had my profile pic as a real pic of me then realized that wasn't great idea either.

[tulip horizon]

Shield OP

Saved my UN run

[austere bronze]

Feel like I should've found out about this earlier but I just learnt that different enemies have different stagger times

[tulip horizon]

They do?

[austere bronze]

Yeah

[tulip horizon]

Is it general enemy types or is it different for every single species

[austere bronze]

Zombies for example have 5 seconds, prowlers 4, arachnotron 3, hell knight 3,5 and tyrants 2,5

[tulip horizon]

Dazed and confused uh

Increases how much?

[austere bronze]

Idk about the values when you have that rune unfortunately

[tulip horizon]

If I'm not wrong it doubles the stagger time

Ill test it out later

[serene stone]

Different falter times as well, right?

[austere bronze]

Wonder if it increases by set percentage for every enemy or if it differs

[austere bronze]

Idk, I don't mess around a lot with faltering

[serene stone]

It feels like Pain Elementals can react nearly instantly after faltering

For example

Like they can almost just cancel their faltering or something

Idk if it's a bug, or Pain Elemental has a certain value

[austere bronze]

Something that would be interesting to try would be that enemies can't falter

They just keep coming no matter what (except ice grenade)

[serene stone]

It always did feel like enemies would randomly stay in stagger for long, and sometimes they feel like they reacted super fast.

Thought it was the game being jank, but I guess it's just different enemy having different values lol

[serene stone]

I mean...we already have that.

[serene stone]

Possessed enemies

[strange gale]

3x for fodder, 2.5x for heavies, 2x for superheavies, 2x for bosses, 2.5x specifically for pinkies and spectres

[austere bronze]

Alright, thanks

[austere bronze]

Ye, but they are also quicker

And have more HP

[serene stone]

No I mean possessed enemies can't falter

Though I did notice a glitch in Blood Swamps where if you freeze the Baron right before he gets possessed, he'll have the spirit in him, but he won't have the spirit buffs or blue glow. It seems to be a consistent glitch too

[slow sigil]

🤓 uhm aktually they are just more resistant to damage, their HP vallues aren't touched

[austere bronze]

Yea yea ik

[serene stone]

For his entire life too. Meaning he's just a regular Baron until you kill him then a spirit comes out

[serene stone]

Oh whoops I misread, I didn't see "but" or "also" lmao

[austere bronze]

Yeah, I've heard about that before

[serene stone]

Maybe it was from me....I think I talked about it in the past too lmao

[austere bronze]

I think I heard it back in like 2023 or early 2024

[serene stone]

Oh. Interesting.

Another glitch is, if you kill all the waves as much as you can while the second buff totem is active to the point where destroying the second buff totem is the only way to progress, then the spirit will target a random enemy that isn't the Baron after you destroy the buff totem and advance to the wave

[austere bronze]

I was just looking back at some footage of me playing from yesterday and idk what the hell I was up to

I was playing so weird

[austere bronze]

Doesn't sound like a glitch

Or maybe I'm not understanding entirely

[serene stone]

It's supposed to always be the specific Baron that's possessed

The strat seems to fuck up the spawn and makes someone else spawn with a spirit

[austere bronze]

Ohh

Yeah

[serene stone]

I did a thing where I was able to lock on rocket instantly.

The burst and reticle wasn't even close to fully locked on but still shot, and all I did was melee before it

I can't find a way to replicate it, so probably a bug I guess

[brisk loom]

I come with an update

After 73 attempts and a good cry, I beat The Ancient Gods part 1

On Ultra Nightmare

[worn oyster]

Who here owns a ps4/5?

[hot walrus]

Where can i find people willing to help me with the online trophies on playstation?

[worn oyster]

I could

[hot walrus]

Thats nice, we need 1 more person to do private matches though

[worn oyster]

Indeed

Do you know someone?

[hot walrus]

Nope

[worn oyster]

Dammit

[hot walrus]

You?

[worn oyster]

Negative

[hot walrus]

dang

Anyways accept my friend request so if one of us finds another dude to play with we can create a group

[oak cobalt]

I have started TAG1

First level’s fun

And challenging

But it’s all good, I’ll

I’ll do my best

[green path]

Good luck with the boss battle

[hot walrus]

Anyone down to help me achieve the online trophies? I got only the one with kills left

[hardy gate]

Gurba

[wraith cobalt]

Have someone to play Battlemode?

I am trying Collect trophies online

PS5 platform

[wraith cobalt]

Have me

[hot walrus]

Okay just a sec

[wraith cobalt]

Right

[austere bronze]

why are single dashes good?

[craggy orbit]

if im not mistaken they are much more spammable with lower dash cd suit upgrade that way

[tacit jetty]

Hm. I really questioned why the hell I wasn’t as easily able to zoom and stay in the air like all the other pro’s whenever I played: I used the meat hook, ballista ssg combo etc. basically everything for a pretty good player and then I realized that PC has advantages with their frames, like they stay so much longer in the air! I feel a bit cheated knowing that those advantages are hardware based but that won’t stop me from trying to get Ultra nightmare runs completed on console. Though it sucks that they’ve got more advantages like that -~-

[tacit jetty]

Yeah it’s much more efficient than using both dashes at once

[slow sigil]

i'm pretty sure only the speed from meathook swinging is affected, not actually staying in the air longer

and on FPS focused console options you should still be able to zoom

[tacit jetty]

Hmm… I should see to my settings to maximize efficiency

Thanks ^^👍

[tacit jetty]

Then what I must’ve seen is pro’s using the meathook +Air control to swing off of demons + Ballista and other combo weapons to keep their momentum and air control to confuse demon AI and easily shred through enemies I’m guessing

[slow sigil]

that's all possible on console

flicking into ballista is probably quite a bit harder but not slow enough to be impossible

[craggy orbit]

I get destroyed by early levels on UN because everything can start going wrong all of a sudden
but when it comes to normal nightmare practice runs everything goes smooth like a butter

[tacit jetty]

True!!!

[tacit jetty]

Yeah, practice should easily get oneself to develop muscle memory

[craggy orbit]

for example I do UN hell on earth and all of a sudden get stuck god knows how and die

[craggy orbit]

I have heard some stuff about fps dependant AI, but im not so sure

[slow sigil]

mostly patched away

[austere bronze]

Alright

[tacit jetty]

I went through cultist base flawlessly until the last Train Arena and then I just constantly fell into sudden bad opportunities “Whoops that revenant suddenly has aimbot from across the map, Whoops that armor pick up you wanted? There’s a mancubus there now get fucked lol, Whiplash screws all your momentum due to her stupid ass whip attack” And that Goddamm close range AOE attack is so annoying it makes me frustrated thinking about it. From the Mancubi I mean, both normal and Cyber

[austere bronze]

Smetimes on high FPS some enemies will charge insanely quick at you, but that is very rare

[tacit jetty]

I believe the Doom hunter sometimes spasms and immediately agro’s on you sometimes because of that

[craggy orbit]

I also wanted to ask
Is marauder ice bomb kill still a thing in a current patch?

[slow sigil]

luckily not

[royal arch]

doom hunters are easy

[austere bronze]

Ice grenade+blood punch and then lock-on burst and you can glory kill them

So yeah

[craggy orbit]

they also get obliterad by shield chaingun

[azure forum]

I mean, most demons do if not all

[azure oriole]

Dude all of the enemies are easy

Except for the special ones

They are still easy but they’re just out of place with regular demons

Like spirit marauder blood maykr

[austere bronze]

once you get good enough every demon is easy by itself

[azure oriole]

Yeah they’re still easy

But fighting like 5 marauders

[crude yew]

Hi guys, started playing eternal for the first time today

[tacit jetty]

It’s the concoction of multiple combos together that is annoying unless you memorize spawns or something

[azure oriole]

With doom hunters tyrants and a bunch of demons

[azure oriole]

Experience going good?

[crude yew]

Yeah, fun so far. Hoping for some good old mayhem hehehe

[austere bronze]

the idk929 skill issue encounter was....

not super easy

[grand cape]

Guys, I need help killing 1 demon with bfg
Can you help me?

[silk tinsel]

whats the issue

[tight hare]

So, I was wondering... Does the Ballista fire one projectile or two?

Because you would think it was just one, even if the visuals look like two... But I swear I've seen situations where I've damaged two enemies at once with it, but I can't tell if that was the second shot going through the first body, or if it's just the tiny amount of splash damage.

[lapis creek]

I do apologise if I am interrupting your conversation, however my game seems to be crashing a lot when I play The Holt level in The Ancient Gods Part One

I don't know why this happens, as this game doesn't crash much

[austere bronze]

It fires 1 projectile, the projectile deals 800 damage and splash deals 60

The enemy you shot at also takes the splash damage

[tight hare]

So, I am hallucinating. Still, conceptually cool to have a massive burst-damage weapon that can carry some of its damage over to the next target if the first target is overkill

[slow sigil]

if ballista does enough damage to kill an enemy, it loses all collision that stops it and just infinitely goes through everything

you can actually use this to kill marauders through their shield and hit enemies through walls

[austere bronze]

I thought that was patched out

[slow sigil]

don't think it ever was, no real need for it either

[tight hare]

whack, but also kinda sick

so I wasn't hallucinating then

[austere bronze]

I believe it was patched out,I do also believe while it worked it worked for pb too

[knotty raptor]

Is 200 fov any good?

How do you switch 70 to 200?

[austere bronze]

200 fov would literally make you see upside down

[knotty raptor]

Fr?

Wait

[austere bronze]

And 180 is absolute max

Even with console commands

[knotty raptor]

https://youtu.be/6i_T-pa8lzg?si=WINafqWPqpk2oosc

Why do they value that then?

.... What is the standard fov and what is the best fov?

[tight hare]

it's a meme, you can't see shit like that, everything would zoom by you like the end of 2001: A Space Odyssey

[austere bronze]

Idk what the standard is, but if you don't use mods to increase it I would recommend max

[tight hare]

I would just recommend 90 for most games, tbh.

But it all depends on your preferences and screen size/distance from your face

[tacit jetty]

FFS. I just started my TAG 2 UN run. All went well until I got to the explosive barrel imp/pinky room and I was like “Yeah sure it would be dumb dying here-“ I got stuck on the last pinky and it two shot me. FUCKING PINKY

[austere bronze]

90 in eternal is extremely small

[azure oriole]

I just play with normal fov

[austere bronze]

And what's that?

[azure oriole]

Idk the default one

[austere bronze]

I think that's 90, not sure though

[serene stone]

It still hits Marauders through enemies but I don't think you can do the other things anymore

[austere bronze]

alright

[knotty raptor]

The standard?

[austere bronze]

yeah

[knotty raptor]

What fov do u use for instance?

And how do you change fov?

[austere bronze]

I like 135-145

[austere bronze]

you go to setting, video and scroll down a bit to field of view

there you can change it to 110 on console, 120 on PC and 180 with mods

[knotty raptor]

Thank you mate

[austere bronze]

no problem

[storm eagle]

Showcase in 3 minutes y'all

YOOOOOOOO!!!! OMFG.

[austere bronze]

Actually didn't think we would get one

Nice that we did

[nimble forum]

It was crazy

Idk what to think still!

[storm eagle]

The mace looks sick. Also the dragon hahahha

[austere bronze]

Looks more grounded and more like 2016

@serene stone you might be happy about the new doom

[serene stone]

I was worried it'd be like Taras Nabad and Sentinel type stuff....

But it looks more like Quake 1/Gothic twisted Lovecraftian style of Medieval which I'm down for

[austere bronze]

I'm gonna wait until I play it to draw any conclusions what I think about it

But I feel like I'm going to prefer eternal since this looks kinda open world

And less fast paced, but I have no idea

[storm eagle]

Yeah I agree

[storm eagle]

The colors and tone really do have a Quake vibe

[serene stone]

Yeah I'm not generally too big on open worlds.

I do like the exploration of Classic Doom and 2016 but that's because they weren't straight up open worlds

[cedar girder]

Lets GOOO!

Holy HELL MAN

[serene stone]

Hold up. I just realized it could be more like Classic DOOM or 2016 exploration. If so, let's gooooo.

Always thought Eternal was too linear.

Though I can't entirely explain why, but Dark Ages looks sorta AI generated in a way

[serene stone]

Or atleast reminds me of AI. Not sure why

[storm eagle]

Cool that we get to fight Titan finally

[serene stone]

Yeah. Also this version of Doomguy looks stupidly powerful. Hugo Martin wasn't kidding about the monster truck thing

[storm eagle]

For real. Yeah he seems like an absolute tank

I didn't see, but will is be console only or all platforms?

[storm eagle]

oh nvm I see now

[austere bronze]

It looks like somebody merged elden ring and doom 2016

[serene stone]

Yeah I mean....it looks cool, but it also looks weird, and I'm just a bit confused

[austere bronze]

Yeah

We'll see how it turn out ig

The 2 main things I want is

1. Not an open world game
2. Not as important but fast combat

[ruby geyser]

I am so glad that this one is gonna go back to the tone of 2016. I loved that dark aesthetic and seeing it return got me hyped

[serene stone]

I hope its combat can be pushed in similar ways as 2016 and Eternal

[ruby geyser]

Also OMFG AN AGGADON HUNTER

[serene stone]

I'd say it's more Quake-like rather than D16

[serene stone]

Without being anywhere near as buggy/janky as Eternal ofc lol

[austere bronze]

I hope meathook stays

[storm eagle]

Was just thinking the same

[ruby geyser]

True, I love the muddy murky colors so far. Tbh the locations kind of remind me of Darksiders 2

[austere bronze]

And fast quick switching would be nice to keep

[storm eagle]

For real. I'm sad dash won't be there and hope we get another movement booster

[austere bronze]

If dash won't be there I certainly hope so

I think it's going to be slower paced than eternal tbh

[full tinsel]

YEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH

[tame topaz]

2016's first 5 levels are reasonably explorable and nonlinear. the rest of the game is just as linear as Eternal.

the levels don't even loop around. Eternal's do.

[storm eagle]

I think so. Which makes sense with the timeline, but we'll see. I will say it looks beautiful and dark.

[serene stone]

Yeah. 5 levels are a very huge portion of the game though. (I'd say 6 though because of Argent Facility Destroyed)

2016 struck a great balance of exploration and linearity IMO

Doom 1993 Episode 1 was a very similar balance of exploration and linearity

[tame topaz]

5/13 levels isn't what I would call good balance, but it's still decent.

[storm eagle]

Damn they already added a Dark Ages thread. It's gonna be a day today.

[tame topaz]

E1 is well regarded for being short and replayable. 2016 languishes and kinda dies out along the middle point.

[serene stone]

6 because of Argent Facility Destroyed.... and that's around half of the game, especially since those levels are longer than the linear levels

[tame topaz]

there's just not many things for the game to do after destroyed Argent.

[tame topaz]

I don't count that because it's literally the same map from before with less bits to explore.

AF1 is great, AF2 not so much.

[serene stone]

I do. It's changed flow and encounter design and progression to be fresh.

[tame topaz]

It's still a reused map with new enemies thrown in the mix. and with how lackluster I find the enemy roster to be in 2016, I'm not into it at all.

[serene stone]

And if you don't count that, then that'd mean 2016 would have 12 levels that count, not 13

[serene stone]

2016 has most of the same enemy types as DOOM II though.

Definitely more enemies than 1993

[tame topaz]

Yeah and only the imp and soldier do much of anything lol. their DMG output is stupid.

[serene stone]

DOOM II had a great roster

[tame topaz]

revenants mostly scream and mancubi are just big.

the summoner playing the role of the arch-vile isn't very effective. it's very weak.

[serene stone]

Cacos can kill you in one bite, lost souls one shot you, Barons fireballs are more accurate and powerful and bigger than imps. Cyber Mancs are extremely accurate at their hyper damage green goo sniper traps

Barons jump attacks are huge, same for their melees, and you don't have dash or meathook to dodge them for free

[tame topaz]

even barons which I found to be intimidating at a glance are kinda nothing because they're so slow and easy to sort out.

[serene stone]

I mean they're better than Eternal Barons who do relatively pathetic damage and can't even touch you

[tame topaz]

Why would you let a cacodemon get that close to you in the first place?

[serene stone]

They'll sneak up on you from behind often

When you're in a hefty fight

[tame topaz]

Eternal barons have landed good hits on me a number of times. can't say the same for 2016's.

[grave jolt]

I don't think i'd play the new game as much as eternal

idk if its just how the gameplay looks in it but it seems slower than i thought it would be

but dark souls aesthetic x doom gameplay is sick af

[serene stone]

Pinkies are extremely fast, and also kill you in one-three rams and/or bites

[serene stone]

Complete opposite for me. Atleast on 2016 Nightmare and even Ultra Violence

[tame topaz]

the game accounts for you being able to dash to juice them up and so they're more fun to engage if anything. 2016's movement speed is geriartric and snail-like and it's one of my main the reasons it's so tough to go back to.

[storm eagle]

My #1 most annoying enemy tbh

[tame topaz]

Pinkies are flatout broken lol, their hitbox is inconsistent.

[serene stone]

The only Barons that actually can do shit in Eternal is the possessed ones, otherwise they're a joke

[tame topaz]

you can sometimes double jump over them and they'll still connect.

[storm eagle]

@tardy pier just brought up a point about shield dash being a possibility. That would be awesome.

[tame topaz]

They're a joke in either game, really. I just think they're more fun in Eternal because of your improved moveset.

[serene stone]

It kinda makes sense, Doomguy's feet is still touching and landing on their extremely spikey and hard ass armor and they're going extremely fast.

[tame topaz]

in 2016 they're not much of anything, and they don't fill a niche in the combat roster.

[tardy pier]

Yep, we see movement with the shield in the trailer (diving into the ground with it) but not a shield bash or anything of the sort. I really hope we get something of the sort

[tame topaz]

I don't buy that, sorry.

that's just a glaring design oversight.

[serene stone]

Disagree, they one shot you, and have extreme accuracy and really good movement and pattern reading.

Their melees and jump attacks are also extremely hard to avoid.

The Argent D'Nur fight with three Barons at once is quite tricky

[umbral totem]

@young mango hi teacher what do u think about the new doom trailer

[storm eagle]

I know he's actually dashing, but maybe kind of like the Dark Lord fight when he comes at ya with the shield movement.

[serene stone]

They're much more accurate than imps, it's just there's way more imps at a time

[tame topaz]

? Enemies in 2016 have poor pattern reading and projectile speed, and barons are rare enough that you wouldn't notice either way. you'd probably die to being overrun or poorly equipped in the 3-4 instances they spawn in.

[serene stone]

Eternal gotta lot of broken hitboxes too (both games have their share of poor hitboxes)

[tame topaz]

Their melee AOE is also smaller than it looks.

[tame topaz]

They do, but Eternal is at least trying to fix those shortcomings. it's one fault is being really buggy.

[tranquil pier]

Will there be a discount on doom eternal during xbox showcase?

[serene stone]

I don't agree, and if that's true, then imps and Barons are definitely exceptions

[serene stone]

Their ground melees they lunge extremely far

[tame topaz]

2016 has legit design, combat flow and progress mistakes, which is to be expected as their first foray into the series. Eternal also shits the bed when it comes to making enemy behavior consistent at high FPS, but that aside it's soundly designed.

[serene stone]

There's a reason why 2016 Imps are considered deadly AF, and Barons are even more accurate than them.

[serene stone]

Imps in 2016 have very high accuracy

[tame topaz]

Imps aren't really hard to dodge, provided you can juke them. And even then you can just keep your distance.

[serene stone]

Idk...I can easily shit on and dodge everything Eternal throws at me, but 2016 on Nightmare still kicks my ass.

So I don't know what to tell you

[tame topaz]

Problem is 1) you're being pelted by fireballs as soon as a GK animation wraps up, and 2) your strafe speed is inexplicably slower than your forward sprint speed.

[tame topaz]

For me it's 75% imps and soldier spam, and 25% not having viable movement strats. Savagery helps somewhat, but it's still not ideal.

[serene stone]

Also the final Argent D'Nur arena with the three Barons I die so many times on, and it's mostly because of the three Barons

[proud sequoia]

so no news on modding (steamdb)
but we got news on dark ages

[serene stone]

Last week, I died 10 times in that arena

Meanwhile I 100%ed Eternal in 5 hours 2 weeks ago without even coming close to dying to a single Baron

[serene stone]

Didn't even die once in the Eternal playthrough at all.

Meanwhile just one singular 2016 arena killed me 10 times mostly because of Barons lol

[austere bronze]

why didn't TIKKETMASTER throw in some fodder in his first arena of doom hunter base

[storm eagle]

Damn. I wanna get to that level in Eternal.

[austere bronze]

"here you go, 20 super heavies with no fodder!"

[serene stone]

Fun fact; Hugo Martin himself says 2016 Nightmare is harder than Eternal Nightmare.

[serene stone]

Don't you mean 2016?

[storm eagle]

The not dying once in Eternal playthrough

[serene stone]

Though the hardest fight in 2016 is probably VEGA Central Processing. The train battle on Nightmare and even Ultra Violence is brutal as fuck

[storm eagle]

skill level

[serene stone]

Oh. Took me awhile to get there. I played Eternal for a long time.

I think you could get there one day if you put your mind to it

[storm eagle]

I've also been playing for two months and hadn't played a shooter since Quake '96, lmao

[serene stone]

IMO harder than any Eternal fight except for World Spear and Taras Nabad Master Levels most likely.

I also think Argent D'Nur is a lot harder than Final Sin.

[storm eagle]

I'm playing on Nightmare now though, still die occasionally. Not using cheats to help get gud without developing bad habits

[austere bronze]

fixing bad habits is so annoying

[azure oriole]

If you dont abuse DOOM 2016 mechanics, it really is

[storm eagle]

One bad habit I had to break was not using arrows and finally switching to WASD.

[unreal forge]

central vega processing unit when i siege mode

[serene stone]

Yeah that is also true. 2016 is a lot easier to cheese and exploit than Eternal.

[austere bronze]

that's an unusual one

[serene stone]

Especially with Rich Get Richer 2 and the super overpowered BFG weapon wheel glitch

[austere bronze]

but nice that you fixed it

[serene stone]

Also spamming Siege mode can trivialize a lot of things since it's basically a mini spammable BFG

[north crest]

WASD: for games that utilize the mouse
Arrows: for games that utilize the keyboard only

[storm eagle]

It is. My brother was like wtf are you doing. Honestly I developed it by playing so much OG Doom that way back in the day. And I've been playing on console for years and not keyboard. I just got a PC this spring so hence all the learning.

[north crest]

Gamepad: for those who are used to using one

[serene stone]

Lol. Yeah you can trivialize it with Rich Get Richer 2 and spamming Siege mode, but that's basically a cheat code at that point haha

[unreal forge]

well dodging the projectiles in doom 2016

not very hard
theyre pretty slow

so you dont even need that

[serene stone]

Not so much on Nightmare or UV.... atleast not Imps, Barons, Summoners, and Cyber Mancs

Also you got a shitton of super fast pinkies chasing you all the time

[serene stone]

That sometimes only feel avoidable with Gauss boosts

[unreal forge]

i just kill everything immediately

ngl

[storm eagle]

How do you dodge the missile things that the Cyber demon throws in the 2nd battle with him? When the walls are closed in like a hallway. I know you jump up and down to dodge the disc ones. But the missile type just get me every time.

[serene stone]

And really fast imp projectiles from all different angles as well

Like you have a combination of pinkies, Cyber Mancs, Summoners, imps and other stuff all harassing you from different angles and areas of the arena.

[unreal forge]

if you do enough damage he just fucks off

[crimson yarrow]

Is the story for Dark Ages gonna be those notes we picked up in Eternal?

[storm eagle]

Do you use rocket or gauss on him?

[serene stone]

I mean spamming Siege mode can definitely do that

[unreal forge]

e v e r y t h i n g

[serene stone]

I just the Dark Ages Soldiers and Mancubus are the 2016 designs

[unreal forge]

except the plasma gun that shit sucks
stun is ok i guess

[serene stone]

But Dark Ages zombies are the Eternal designs

[unreal forge]

theyre gonna get blasted so hard when i get my meaty claws on the game

[serene stone]

Stun Bomb is straight up busted.

[storm eagle]

Yeah the plasma felt like I was blowing bubbles at him lmao. I did use BFG. Which dealt a shockingly low amount of damage

[serene stone]

It's like ice bomb on steroids and significantly lower cool down

[unreal forge]

yeah it stuns everything for ages and has a mega short cooldown but also

blowing them up before theyre able to move >>>

[serene stone]

Heat blast is also much better than the Eternal version

Significantly less shots to charge, can heat blast after any shot. Heat blast also charges in your pocket or passively, and it does much more damage and feels like it has more range than Eternal's

[azure oriole]

imp fireballs

[serene stone]

Baron fireballs are even faster and more accurate

[unreal forge]

you can react to them pretty easily ngl

[serene stone]

Summoner waves are ridiculously fast too

[serene stone]

Ehhh. Not compared to other DOOM games

[serene stone]

Cyber Mancs green goop sniping is pretty ridiculous too

[azure oriole]

After a glory kill or a chainsaw kill not so much ngl

[unreal forge]

i can 🤷‍♂️

[serene stone]

Even without doing one lol.

Advanced Research Complex and Lazarus Labs final arena, it's nearly impossible to dodge the imps on Nightmare without cheesing them

[storm eagle]

You guys are awesome. I've learned so much from this group fr. It makes coming late to the game so much easier, even just reading your chats with one another.

[azure oriole]

The only thing I get hit in this game is with imp fireballs

[serene stone]

Still love Advanced Research Complex and Lazarus Labs doe

[unreal forge]

goated levels

i love killing the cyber demon in under 2 minutes
truly great

[serene stone]

That's common.

Though I get hit more by Barons and pinkies and maybe Cyber Manc traps and snipes.

Imps would be third probably

Cacos biting me from behind is pretty common too.

[austere bronze]

this is way off topic but playing tikketmasters doom hunter base makes me feel like I'm supposed to play on hurt me plenty but I'm playing on nightmare

[serene stone]

Love 2016 boss fights

[azure oriole]

And summoners wave blasts if im not “ballista” boosting constantly

[serene stone]

My favorite 2016 levels are probably:

VEGA Central Processing, Argent D'Nur, Necropolis, Argent Facility Destroyed, and Argent Energy Tower

[unreal forge]

my favorite is probably necropolis but vcp is very close

love the dual boss fight

[serene stone]

I have been Gauss boosting more, and it definitely makes it easier to avoid things.

Without Gauss boosting things can be very hard to avoid

[azure oriole]

gauss boosting

[serene stone]

I preferred 2016 bosses over Eternal's, though I love Gladiator

[serene stone]

Ironically, you're more on topic than the rest of us since it's the Eternal server lol

[unreal forge]

nahhhh doom 2016 eternal

[serene stone]

Hmm?

[unreal forge]

doom 2016 eternal.

[serene stone]

Like they're the same game?

[unreal forge]

no just making a silly joke

[serene stone]

O

[austere bronze]

tru

there is no video of anyone beating that level on youtube it appears

[storm eagle]

Uhhh Eternal question: I ran out of ammo for the SSG in my first run for World Spear. And needed it for obvious reasons. I had to restart the level, but someone said you can still meathook w/o ammo. I def didn't figure out how to do that. Can you, and how?

[serene stone]

Since it looks like Dark Ages has many of Eternal's enemies....I wonder if Marauders are coming back?

Fuck it, there's definitely going to be Marauders since Marauders are Medieval as fuck

[austere bronze]

just do it normally

[storm eagle]

I did and it just gave me the ol click click\

[unreal forge]

there was a very marauder looking dude in the trailer

[serene stone]

@austere bronze possessed Marauders in monster truck style gameplay 😬

[austere bronze]

praying for the marauders downfall🙏

[unreal forge]

meathooking without ammo is just like meathooking normally

[serene stone]

It doesn't change with no ammo

[serene stone]

🤝

[storm eagle]

It literally didn't work when I kept trying it. Weird. Maybe a glitch that was happening atm

[serene stone]

Meathook is very glitchy and wonky in its programming so that scans

[storm eagle]

That was the one and only time I had tried it without ammo too

[austere bronze]

I'm just ranting now but yk the first small train arena from doom hunter base? there it is:
3 marauders
9 archviles
3 cyber mancubi
1 tyrant
4 barons of hell
5 prowlers
3 carcasses
2 doom hunters
😃

[storm eagle]

My shit also freezes constantly when playing DE

[cloud marsh]

WHERE IS DOOM 2 CHANNEL????

WHERE IS IT??

[austere bronze]

right above here

#the-dark-ages

[cloud marsh]

why did they decide to call it "the dark ages"

should be "the mighty ages"

[austere bronze]

idk, ask the devs

[cloud marsh]

<@&162901871168585728> why??

[serene stone]

Yeah. Game can be very buggy lol

[shadow nova]

thats the name of the game bro

[austere bronze]

why did you ping the moderators?

[shadow nova]

dont ping us for that

[cloud marsh]

i was gonna say, where is doom 2 channel?

[shadow nova]

#classic-doom

[cloud marsh]

thanks

[storm eagle]

Just go to Classic and ask Q's about II there

[cloud marsh]

i'm used to call it doom 2

[serene stone]

They didn't create the game. WTF

Ask Hugo Martin or something

[cloud marsh]

i was just gonna reccomend for a mod, thanks

[cloud marsh]

bro??

i'm talking about doom 1993

[storm eagle]

They also didn't create 1993, lmao. Go on Insta and DM Romero

[cloud marsh]

????????

BRO GZDOOM

[storm eagle]

Respectfully I have no idea what you're talking about or asking

[cloud marsh]

can i send links?

i'm talking about hell on earth

yes i can't

try to google it out, not tryna be disesprectful tho

[unreal forge]

light work

[austere bronze]

if it actually had fodder demons and wasn't on such a tiny arena where anything 1cm outside the platform is a death plane

[storm eagle]

9 Archviles gives me a hemorrhage

[serene stone]

You asked why they called it Dark Ages

[cloud marsh]

nah

i've figured out in general that it's classic-doom channel

which is about doom 2

or 1

but thanks

i also reccomended a few amazing WADs you guys should really try out

[storm eagle]

They weren't calling original Doom 'The Dark Ages'. Yes Classic Doom is both 1 and 2. There's also Classic-doom-maps-mods which is what you probably are actually looking for.

[cloud marsh]

oh no i actually was going to reccomend doom players a few mods i've been playing, which is what i did in #classic-doom

thanks for answering to my perplexities

[olive sundial]

Is the holt the last level of the ancient gods part 1?

[austere bronze]

yes

[olive sundial]

Oh

Ok then I’m so close to 100 percent completing doom eternal

[storm eagle]

Np, but again, go to Classic-doom-maps-mods, that's where you do that kind of stuff I think

[cloud marsh]

oh alright

ima just delete and paste them in the proper channel

[storm eagle]

@austere bronze Is that the right one?

To recommend mods

[austere bronze]

I would guess so

but #classic-doom also works

[cloud marsh]

oh that's cool

[storm eagle]

perf

I can't even keep up reading the Dark Ages page there's so much happening lol. As expected

[cold hedge]

gyes doom is cool game?

[olive sundial]

Yes

We’re in the doom discord so I would assume so

[cold hedge]

you absolutely correct bro

[olive sundial]

Yes

[serene stone]

UAC Atlantica Facility is a weird level....where sometimes I feel like it's too drawnout and repetitive... and other moods I think it's peak and probably the best level in Eternal

[storm eagle]

sorry buttons doing random reacts lol

[olive sundial]

Oop

[serene stone]

But I just replayed UAC Atlantica rn and thought it was peak for my current mood

[austere bronze]

I like it, you can quite easily beat it in under 30 min so it doesn't feel that drawn out

but then again, you can do that with every doom level

[storm eagle]

It's been raining like hell where I live this week and I've been replaying UAC A. and loving it

[serene stone]

Pretty sure I just beat in 20-30 minutes. But it still felt a bit drawnout near the end for me

[shadow sparrow]

so why doies doom eternal not save my game anymore

i just booted it back up and it wont save my games

[serene stone]

There's not enough variety for its length, but the first 50-70% of UAC Atlantica is really awesome

[serene stone]

The aesthetic and atmosphere is easily the best in the game. It got the 2016 feels

[storm eagle]

Idk if it's just me, but I thought the Archvile after you ride the crate, before you get the 1-Up was so randomly placed haha. Like he was just tucked away in a tiny corner for no reason idk

[serene stone]

Heavy Classic DOOM inspiration.

[austere bronze]

too ez fr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REXX-v4mMTQ

[storm eagle]

bah didn't think of that

[austere bronze]

I don't think I could get a higher number unfortunately

[storm eagle]

I did replay the Spirit World this week and he fits in SO perfectly in that level

[shadow sparrow]

so can anyone help me out orrrr is doom just broken till they hotfix it again?????

[serene stone]

A lot of it is the low variety but still very very high amount of encounters for its length that makes it feel drawnout or atleast monotonous near the end even if I can beat it pretty fast

Blood Swamps I don't really like too much, but atleast it has more variety

[storm eagle]

Like after you completed the campaign and are replaying levels?

Cuz it won't save then

[shadow sparrow]

then how do i fix it

[storm eagle]

You don't/can't. It's not a bug, it's the design. Once you complete the campaign and play through the different levels again it won't save mid-level.

If that's what you mean

[shadow sparrow]

so then how do i save my games

when i get to mission 2 and quite it wont save it

and i have to start at the b egging

[storm eagle]

read my last comment again^

[austere bronze]

if you are replaying levels you can't like the other guy trie to explain twice

[shadow sparrow]

so i guess i cant beat it again then huh

[austere bronze]

you can, you just have to do it in 1 go

[shadow sparrow]

wow

[austere bronze]

there are still checkpoints and stuff

[storm eagle]

Yup this

[austere bronze]

and if you wish to do it in a new campaign you can

[shadow sparrow]

dumb

[serene stone]

DOOM 2016 and Eternal have gotta be the only modern AAA FPS I've seen where you can't save on mission replays.

[azure oriole]

You're insane

[serene stone]

Even non-AAA FPS you can usually save on replays

[storm eagle]

I think they do that to keep growing the players' skill, but that's just my take

[austere bronze]

not until I do it without destroyer blade

[serene stone]

Nah, Hugo Martin said they couldn't figure out how to let you save on mission replays. It caused some technical issues but didn't really elaborate why

[austere bronze]

and no lock-on burst ofc

[azure oriole]

Manual saves should return to the doom series

[storm eagle]

oh LOL well I gave them too much credit hahaha.

[azure oriole]

true true, but still

[serene stone]

Maybe on non-UN, but that would trivialize Ultra Nightmare runs

[austere bronze]

it is kinda cool yeah

[serene stone]

Classic Doom WADs can be very tricky even with save scumming though

[azure oriole]

You should try to learn the double db glitch

[shadow sparrow]

so i cant make a back up save right?

orr urr back up my save files

[austere bronze]

but, it doesn't require that much skill, if you watch the video you'll see that I mostly meathook, destroyer blade, repeat and occasionally kill some zombies for health

[austere bronze]

I should yea

[azure oriole]

Its really easy and it tribalizes a lot of possessed demons

[restive nebula]

just beat icon for the first time, what should I do now?

[serene stone]

Very fun trick....but at the same time feels too overpowered lol.

Makes Siege mode seem weak in comparison.

[strange gale]

isn't everything in de overpowered?

[storm eagle]

Both Ancient Gods DLC

[serene stone]

I mean.... you're not wrong tbh

[restive nebula]

nahh

[austere bronze]

deals 4800 damage, pretty powerful yeah

[storm eagle]

Well idk then

[austere bronze]

tru, but idk if I want to start incorporating those kinds of glitches into my play

I'll probably learn it but idk about using it

[restive nebula]

screw it im doing nightmare mode. after all, why not?

[austere bronze]

maybe in some really tough arenas

[restive nebula]

anger issues here I come!

[storm eagle]

There ya go. Also, why not TAG?

[austere bronze]

be prepared for literally taking twice as much damage :)

[serene stone]

That reminds me. There's a somewhat recent 2016 tech called Holo Swap and it looks so ridiculous that I don't really want to learn it at all.

It's so Goofy lmao

[storm eagle]

haha fr

[serene stone]

It's like quick swapping at the same time as you summon a hologram and it creates the most broken quick swapping speeds and bring up speeds ever lol

I've seen Sylar use it a lot on his recent 2016 videos and no thanks

[serene stone]

Discovered 2 years ago I think?

[strange gale]

slob is better there

[storm eagle]

Hi Glask

[serene stone]

I wonder if you play Yakuza....or if you just like that pfp of Kiryu

[strange gale]

i haven't played kenzan, kurohyou 1 or 2, dead souls, ishin, rgg online, or infinite wealth, but the rest of them yeah

[restive nebula]

two shots for point blank zombie is painful

[twin bone]

you after all of this:

https://tenor.com/7NUK.gif

[strange gale]

really not sure why id handled spirit damage scaling the way they did

[azure oriole]

Yeah you only need slob to deal with all of the possessed

[strange gale]

lock on burst without any tech is the best option against spirits and it's not even close

[storm eagle]

Just wait 'til you get hit once by a boss and see your health % drop

[restive nebula]

doom hunter was surprisingly easy for me the first time

[azure oriole]

At least it isnt 2016's damage scaling

[storm eagle]

I want you to do the Slayer Gate in The Holt and see what you think

[austere bronze]

Were there doom hunters there?

IMO that slayer gate is realoy overhyped

[austere bronze]

Lol, I actually did it first try

[storm eagle]

Can't remember about the Doom hunters

I wanna say yes but I may be thinking of a diff gate

World Spear 2nd Escalation had me stressed. Tammie did a good video of it last night

[restive nebula]

first death arachnotron 😐

[storm eagle]

eek

[azure oriole]

Try to save your three chainsaw pips for heavies on the first levels

[young mango]

I’m not sure that works current patch

[quiet whale]

i already have all the trophies on playstation 4 for doom eternal and i don' t have the multiplayer ones xD

que triste la verdad

[restive nebula]

relatable

[quiet whale]

[azure oriole]

ñ

[quiet whale]

ñ

[candid walrus]

YOU WERE NEVER ONE OF US. YOU WERE NOTHING BUT A USUPER, A FALSE IDOL. MY EYES HAVE BEEN OPEN, LET ME HELP YOU TO SEE SLAYER...

[royal arch]

which of the 3 suits you unlock in the fortress of doom do yall like most

[acoustic lark]

Hard to say, all the Event skins are 10x more interesting

[azure oriole]

default skin

[analog hamlet]

Anybody else wanna eat a cacodemon?

👍 👍

[storm eagle]

Nah lol

[dapper goblet]

Meatball

Anyways what demon do you think should’ve been playable in Battlemode?

Zombie would be my favorite choice

[warped sage]

I still wonder if we are still gonna get the official Eternal mod support as SteamDB updates pointed out.

[violet pendant]

Out of curiosity do mods disable achievements?

[warped sage]

With the unofficial mod tools, I’m not sure.

[young mango]

they do not, however they do make it impossible to join public battlemode lobbies

[violet pendant]

While enabled right not permanently lol

That's a sacrifice I can handle

[young mango]

yes only while enabled

[violet pendant]

I need to play it for the achievements but that's ALL I want to play it for

I wish it had a campaign coop

[austere bronze]

There is modded campaign co-op

And modded invasion

[shadow sparrow]

[royal arch]

cyberdemon

[dapper goblet]

Nah that’s like boss level

I was thinking like maybe prowler or something?

Would’ve been cool

[royal arch]

we already got archvile and marauder

why not cyberdemon

[dapper goblet]

Archvile and Marauder aren’t bosses tho

[royal arch]

im talking about eternals cyberdemon

the tyrant

[dapper goblet]

Oooooh

Yeah uhh he’s way too big for that

[royal arch]

baron should have also been playable

[dapper goblet]

Would’ve been better for round 4 upgrade ngl tho

Baron is meh for it

[young mango]

tyrant only has 30% more health than a baron and a lot less mobility

[umbral totem]

@young mango hi did u c the new trailer?

Looks like there’s no meat hook but they have shield mechanics and a spike ball

[dull herald]

only ogs remember eternal-chat..

[young mango]

yes

[acoustic lark]

The chat wasnt that eternal afterall

[azure oriole]

lel

[royal arch]

i bought eternal like 2 weeks ago bruh

i got a whole ass year i be fine

[mystic otter]

I guess it met its Doom.

[acoustic lark]

[fair meteor]

soooooooo mod support?

[azure oriole]

probably on quakecon

i hope

idk anymore

[serene stone]

I'm going to assume they cancelled plans on the ModPortal to focus on Dark Ages

They'd probably put ModPortal on Dark Ages though

[honest canyon]

[umbral totem]

R u going 2 play it??

[young mango]

yes

[dapper goblet]

Why do less then 1% of players on Xbox doom have Truce Between Demons

Like good lord man is it that hard to work together in a 1v2 💀

[quick yew]

i assume that if that's the case, they're going to release it on TDA and then on eternal

[mystic otter]

Most people didn't play Battlemode that long

And the achievement requires an absurd amount of healing that, if you're not spending the entire match trying to selfheal, it'd take an eternity. Which just goes back to the first part.

Also most teammates don't care to wait on healing

[wet cypress]

I just got the dlc and want to get the gold weapons but I can't replay the missions on nightmare, do I have to do another save file on nightmare or is there another way

[mystic otter]

Did you do it on extra life?

[wet cypress]

No, and I will not do it on nightmare

[mystic otter]

Doesn't one of the gold weapons require finishing a master level on nightmare?

[wet cypress]

That's the combat shotgun, with the super gore nest, and I don't mean that, I mean the golden wraps in the dlc

[viral girder]

does anyone know what the 3 Xs and checkmarks are in battle mode doom eternal?

[wet cypress]

The slayer and demons win and losses

[viral girder]

oh ok

[serene stone]

I think they're done with Eternal in all honesty

[viral girder]

nothing happens if I get 3 Xs or checkmarks?

[wet cypress]

If you get three you win

Or lose

[viral girder]

Oh alright

[quick yew]

you might be right actually :(

[dapper goblet]

Bro I got the achievement a long long time ago it wasn’t that hard for me

Mostly cause I was healing me and my teammates at the same time and I usually communicate with them

[royal arch]

@quick yew @viral girder W pfps

[quick yew]

cheers 🍷

[royal arch]

cheers mate

[hexed vapor]

https://youtu.be/kLQjeGAMu_k?si=N9izaR0lur5UDDbE

Ik this video is old as shit

But still upper echelon gaming is pathetic

[lofty estuary]

heheheh good times

[storm eagle]

@young mango Did you see that we get to fight Titan from Immora in the next game?

[young mango]

yes

[storm eagle]

I'm really curious about how that's gonna be

[mystic otter]

Its never hard, just tedious. Not a lot of communicative teammates left on the game. So its mostly just relying on self-healing to complete it

[next adder]

ID should put the Dark Ages Slayer as a skin in Eternal

[next adder]

Yeah that guy was a tool

[latent kestrel]

amazing

[uncut zephyr]

well, upper got his wish granted with the waves in TAG

[crimson yarrow]

Griffin gaming more so

Dude just complains about women and minorities existing all day

He also sounds like leafy lol

[lofty estuary]

dude who was that reviewer who said halo infinite campaign was bad because xbox and said only redeeming quality was that it was a "gay love story between chief and the pilot", he seems like the type to whine about doom eternal too

[royal arch]

arc complex, nekravol (both parts) and sentinel prime are my favorite missions

[crimson yarrow]

SP is just a boss fight though

[royal arch]

a damn good one

[azure oriole]

if you are on pc you should try Sentinel Prime ml by offwine

[viral girder]

Yessir

[serene stone]

Mostly because Gladiator ?

[royal arch]

yes

[viral girder]

I hope gladiator makes a comeback I’m gonna say he will come back cause the theme fits him

[royal arch]

i don’t think we will see cyber mancubus

[serene stone]

He's my favorite boss fight in the game

[viral girder]

me to

[storm eagle]

New mancubus looked gnarly

[serene stone]

Looks like 2016 Manc

[storm eagle]

Definitely

I'm replaying 2016 right now and just killed 3, they're so mean looking haha

Revenant looks fantastic of course compared to DE

[serene stone]

Same for Baron

[storm eagle]

Agreed, he's so terrifying in 2016. Haha I forgot how dark this game is, I had to crank up the brightness just to see

[serene stone]

Also no dash or meathook. So it's harder to dodge him

[glossy warren]

fireborne baron looks so much cooler

[serene stone]

My least favorite Baron in the series

[storm eagle]

Yup, I feel like I'm running in water kind of. Got so used to the fast movement. Idk why but the rocket in 2016 is SO satisfying with all of the upgrades.

I'm in Titan's Realm rn and it's so creepy

[royal arch]

stun bomb tho

[serene stone]

I think Gauss is very satisfying

[serene stone]

Titan's Realm is an amazing level

[storm eagle]

I've been using the Gauss and Rockets a tonnnn. So good. So this is actually my first playthrough of 2016 and I'm liking this level the most so far

It's reminding me a LOT of original Doom

[serene stone]

The Hell levels in 2016 are amazing

[storm eagle]

Really enjoying this a lot

Dumb question: what is happening when the Slayer astral projects himself in front of enemies?

Is it just like a distraction for them/fake out?

[uncut zephyr]

i started playing TAG 1 for the first time on nightmare, a part of me tells me it was a mistake lol

but the other one is stubborn as hell

[inland kite]

yes

[sand jackal]

dlc 2 final boss has me pulling my hair out and i am bad at life playing on easy too 🤷‍♂️

[regal walrus]

🫡

fr

i was fighting at 3am the first time and losing my mind

when he summoned those super heavies, i jus lost my shit

[sand jackal]

i have no patience for boss fights that are all dodging for ten minutes and if maybe one mechanic wasn't there like health regen or the hammer recharges just stayed on the floor till you pick them. well i got some time since DOOM the dark ages is not out till next year lol

[regal walrus]

🤣

i had to wait like 10 minutes for him to do his green flash attack

that was not fun

[sand jackal]

brutal, i might need more practice and something to keep me calm lol

[storm eagle]

The regen on him makes me boiling mad too

[sand jackal]

yeah

[flint flame]

Stay mid range

Approach it as you would any marauder

[lean fern]

Lmao

[sand jackal]

was square dancing with the devil just couldn't get him done after the cut scene

[storm eagle]

Same and I'm embarrassed for myself still

[steep olive]

It took me like 4 hours to beat him but I did it in the end

[sand jackal]

Yeah, it's too much effort currently to push myself, kinda insane but everything has to be ultra difficult for the souls like crowd I guess

[storm eagle]

@serene stone are you up still? I have a Q

[austere bronze]

Tbh, you just have to strafe and avoid some attacks until he attacks, then shoot him (hammer is good) and repeat

[storm eagle]

Oooh or M1

[austere bronze]

And when he spawns those fake demons just hammer them to kill them all

[austere bronze]

XD

[storm eagle]

In 2016, what is actually happening when the Slayer astral projects himself out in front of you? Is it like a decoy for enemies?

[austere bronze]

Oh damn, this was a question better suited for kiryu since I have barely played 2016

[storm eagle]

It's the weirdest thing. We'll see what he says.

[storm eagle]

Curious, how many hrs do you think you've personally clocked in to Eternal?

[austere bronze]

I reached 500 hours yesterday

But I've spent a bit too much time with my game open while watching youtube and stuff

Probably spent like 60 hours doing that

[storm eagle]

I'm at 400 and I still suck. Also spend a lot of time idling with distractions.

I'm playing around with different binds for weapons this week. I'm sure it's been discussed many times over here, but still looking for the most efficient.

[austere bronze]

To maximise gitting gud/hour I think it's important to play consistently and really want to get better

[storm eagle]

I struggled through Nightmare. And the DLC's. Got through it but it wasn't pretty.

Quick swapping needs improvement

[austere bronze]

Back when I had like 80 hours I set the ambitous goal for me of becoming the worlds best eternal player, so ig I've kinda been chasing that a bit when playing

Ik I won't become it, but still a fun goal to have

[austere bronze]

Fast quick swapping is always nice

It's just muscle memory tbh, so you just have to practice a lot

[storm eagle]

That's a good mindset to have. And again, my movement isn't as fluid as a lot of players here bc I haven't played a lot of FPS games since og Doom, Wolfenstein, and Quake. And thanks, it's nice to get advice with no judgement. It's intimidating HOW many people are so good at this.

[serene stone]

yoo?

[storm eagle]

Hey there you are

[storm eagle]

this question

[austere bronze]

When you hang out in the doom discord you will ofc meet a lot of great players, and since the skill roof is pretty high in eternal there will be a lot of players who are good

And doom eternal was actually my first ever FPS

[serene stone]

Oh you're talking about the hologram I think.

Yeah, it's a decoy for the demons

[storm eagle]

REALLY? That's cool. Well that gives me hope. I guess the nice thing is there's so many useful tips. Also it's funny this room has been pretty quiet with the new page up today.

[storm eagle]

Yeah, that thing. Ahh thanks. I figured since they started attacking it and I was able to shoot them from a different spot.

[serene stone]

Also if you use photo mode, you can't actually see player model Doomguy only the hologram. Lol.

[austere bronze]

Ye, tons of stuff to learn in eternal and you can always improve on things

[storm eagle]

That's...awkward haha. Like looking at your ghost self almost.

[austere bronze]

And ig people are hyped for the new game, once it settles people will start coming back here, and once dark ages releases this chat will become like the 2016 I would guess

No idea how it's going for the 2016 chat tho, I never check it out

[serene stone]

I feel like Eternal's going to start getting a lot of revisionist hate once Dark Ages comes out.

[storm eagle]

That's what I was thinking too. I'm staying out of the chaos for now in TDA chat.

[serene stone]

Kinda like what happened to 2016

[austere bronze]

And my prediction for TDA is that it will be like eternal, most like it but then some people will say it isn't "a doomy game"

[serene stone]

That's already happening lmfao

[austere bronze]

Oh💀

[serene stone]

But tbf some people also say 2016 isn't very Doomy.

All three games are very different from the classics tbh

[slow sigil]

Don't think so because people already disliked eternal lol

[storm eagle]

I've played the Classics to death (no pun) and I had to tell myself going in to 2016 and DE to not compare them to one another.

[slow sigil]

The whole design seems different too, i have the feeling DA will be a lot more generic and broadly appealing

The arenas where really big which probably means a move away from tight, controlled arenas. We saw very little vertical movement let alone even ways to vertically move. More focus on mounted/mrch gameplay seems to also cater to people who don't care about actual gameplay but merely the spectacle of it all, with more focus on mount/mech combat also meaning they have less resources to perfect the standard combat

[austere bronze]

I don't want to say anything too early, but I believe I'm going to prefer eternal over the dark ages since I'm only here for the gameplay

But I'm very open to being pleasantly surprised

[slow sigil]

Same, but basing off of what i've seen on the trailers i'm really wary

[austere bronze]

Looks like a doom and elden ring merge IMO

[serene stone]

I heard something about Hugo Martin saying there's like a dynamic melee that isn't restricted where you kinda create your own finishers.

If I'm interpreting that right, then we'll get something with a lot of depth

[nocturne lynx]

Eh, Hugo said some years back that the Slayer would be more like a tank in "DA". By that standard I’m liking what I’m seeing.

[slow sigil]

I wouldn't really count "you can move your mouse how you like for glorykills, so AFTER you have defeated the enemy already" as having a lot of depth

Which is most likely what it really means tbf

Again, catering to spectacle over actual gameplay

[serene stone]

Just reread he said; "The melee system really introduces a dynamic where you can approach enemies any way you want. I think fans will be really happy with the freedom you get in finishing off the demons this time. No restrictions."

[strange gale]

something more grounded like this has better potential for skill expression imo

[serene stone]

If Hugo Martin isn't capping this sounds pretty fucking awesome

[nocturne lynx]

But no Altan because lol.

[uncut zephyr]

no restrictions?

[strange gale]

de has a low skill floor especially in the movement department, meathook for example is way too accessible for how strong it is

[storm eagle]

Scorpion vs. The Slayer, mace vs mace. Jk

[nocturne lynx]

But also it does sound like enemy introduction stuff will be absent. Guess it’ll be nice for people to not wrongly assume that there’s no creativity whatsoever with killing a demon this time.

[storm eagle]

Totally

[slow sigil]

Aslong as the game is tightly balanced and not "X thing is just the most effective melee use so no reason not to spam it"

[uncut zephyr]

that's true

the shield looks like is gonna be a major part of the gameplay

[serene stone]

Might be him making somewhat of a response to people who say Eternal's loop is restrictive.

[uncut zephyr]

in what way? something about the chainsaw for restoring ammo? certain enemies having a specific weakness?

[slow sigil]

Overreaction by people who see in a toturial a suggestion, and then assume that suggestion is the ONLY way to deal with an enemy

If the devs overreact in the wrong way we might get a game with no balance

[uncut zephyr]

true

cyber mancubus tutorial says the blood punch is a way to destroy their armor

but there are more ways

[strange gale]

that's a bad example

[serene stone]

Captain America DOOM Slayer wrecking shit in Quake 1 Elden Ring

[austere bronze]

Blood punch is the best way for cyber mancubi tho

It deals 4000 damage to their 6000 hp

[young mango]

picked the only enemy where the weakness isn’t negligible

[uncut zephyr]

yeah...

[serene stone]

One blood punch and then breathing on them afterwards kills any Cyber Manc

[austere bronze]

Yeah, 2000 damage isn't much

And even less damage if you want to glory kill

[storm eagle]

Alternate title

[austere bronze]

You can glory kill them at 480 hp, 2000-480=1520

[uncut zephyr]

what else did they meant by restricted combat?

[inland kite]

Myber Cancubus

Subucnam

[slow sigil]

Also generally "i can't hold W and spam ssg, game sucks"

[uncut zephyr]

"i cannot keep my health bar above zero, game sucks"

[storm eagle]

"Can't find ammo, Eternal sucks"🤣

[young mango]

I did a playthrough of SGN ML on 24 FPS holy shit I realized how bored I am to be doing things like this

[inland kite]

"i cannot keep my self revives above 5"

[olive cairn]

Thinking about wanting to do ultra nightmare but it's been years I played it on switch and I don't have time to commit to it . But really want the golden skin

[storm eagle]

Still don't know how people do it on Switch. That takes some patience and skill fr

[nocturne lynx]

They have gyro.

[olive cairn]

Well it's like any other console I guess , idk where I ended but I think I started nightmare run after normal and hard (idk the names of the difficulties) but yeah.

[olive cairn]

I have never used gyro in any game , idk how people use it . But maybe I could try it

[nocturne lynx]

I’m Too Young to Die, Hurt Me Plenty, and Ultra-Violence are the lower three difficulties.

[olive cairn]

So the 2 difficulty before nightmare

[storm eagle]

Did you record it? I wanna see what that looks like tbh

[young mango]

sure, it’s definitely far from my best work because I was playing with about 10x less frames than I’m used to, but yea https://youtu.be/mQl3oOVLdq4?si=gDmAhKduB1v4ImQz

[storm eagle]

I didn't even know you could do 24 FPS lol

Haha omg it looks terrible. You pulled it off though as always

[uncut zephyr]

was it just me, or the chainsaw took ages to kill that zombie?

[olive cairn]

Question does dying in the fighting rooms end ultra nightmare run or just main mission/areas (by fighting arenas I mean the gates you open with key)

[young mango]

which one? I chainsaw a lot of zombies in that level, also yea doom eternal is framerate dependent and things start to stop functioning entirely properly below 60 and things start getting basically a bit slow mo below 30

[storm eagle]

I have mine at 80, have not gone below 60 and now never will bc MY EYES!

[uncut zephyr]

7:21 minute, a zombie you killed from behind, but i may be trippin

[young mango]

like if you have a way to test this, pretty much everything’s slower at low enough framerates, test your highest framerate against about like 20 or something and jump off a ledge with the same testing conditions you will most likely fall slower at 20FPS

[uncut zephyr]

damn

[storm eagle]

I bumped up mine the other day to 200 just to see and almost threw up after 5 minutes lol

Felt like I was riding the Gravitron

[young mango]

250FPS is my standard, it’s the highest speedrunning rules allow, so it’s what I go with, although uncapped I can get a fairly consistent 400, sometimes 600+ if the place isn’t very resource consuming

[storm eagle]

You're speedrunning tho, I'm moving at a spry snail's pace

[serene stone]

Any and all death

[olive cairn]

Ah ok, I think I'll never do ultra nightmare , I'll do just nightmare . Well and because I'm not the best at it , I see videos how people know what weapons to use on demons to effectively kill, I would have to learn but whatever and is gyro control good?

[young mango]

also, there’s very good reasons for it capping at that arbitrary number of 250, because with NO TIMESLOW whatsoever I’m able to kill 4 possessed tyrants spread out across an entire arena with bulldozer within about 30 seconds https://youtu.be/0bz85notuM8?si=d2K_ZZl95_q0LsA-

[azure oriole]

I should really learn how to bulldoze

[young mango]

granted they’re stationary but the fact still stands ( using the chaingun shields damage as reference since that’s the primary source of damage ) that in the span of 30 seconds, 100,000 damage was dealt