doom-eternal

[violet zealot]

ok I'm now just looking at prices for the 1660's, and they were pricier than I initially thought for how old the card is (it's from 2019 nvm)

not much more expensive but still

finding the 6GB model for like 200+ dollars in some places

[blissful vale]

(with high fidelity i mean 1080p, medium-high settings)

2019 is really old

[violet zealot]

fair enough, but I was thinking 2015 for some reason

God, I'm out of sync when it comes to release dates

[burnt moss]

6GB meaning the graphics card comes with its own ram?

[violet zealot]

yeah

dedicated GPUs always come with dedicated VRAM pretty much

[burnt moss]

Do I need to watch out for one with too little vram?

[violet zealot]

depends on what games you want to play

I can get by with just 8GB of VRAM at the moment

[burnt moss]

Doom Eternal is probably the highest demand I’ve put on a system

[blissful vale]

gtx 1660 only comes with 6 gb

[burnt moss]

But it meets the specs for eternal?

[blissful vale]

i mean "only" as in "there is no other gtx 1660 with less vram"

so yeah, it does meet requirements for eternal

[violet zealot]

if I could play a good amount of games on that 1660 at decent graphics at 60+ FPS, I think it could run Eternal

mind you I had the 8GB model of it

I really need more VRAM, even my 3070 Ti only has 8GB

[blissful vale]

that is not a gtx 1660, its a gtx 1660 super the one with 8 gb

[burnt moss]

Is TI a different company?

[blissful vale]

Ti means "Titan", a way of saying "a better version of x model"

so you can have gtx 980, and 980 Ti

980 Ti being the more powerful variant

[burnt moss]

What does g mean then?

[violet zealot]

I'm doing some reading and the Super had 16GB

[blissful vale]

what G? in Ryzen 5600"G"?

[violet zealot]

other places are saying as low as 6GB for the Super

[burnt moss]

Yeah someone here said to lose the g to make it better

[blissful vale]

i did

[violet zealot]

G probably marks the fact it has intergrated graphics
I'd have to fact check that

[blissful vale]

super doesnt have 16 gb

first gpu from nvidia to have 16 gb was 4080

[violet zealot]

man Bing is about as consistent with numbers as I am with my amount of working braincells

[blissful vale]

you may have seen the gtx 1660 marked as 16 series and that got you confused

[violet zealot]

that means my BIOS would've been wrong on my old PCs

as it always stated 1660 8GB on post

[blissful vale]

g means it comes with integrated GPU

[violet zealot]

eh, I'll stop arguing over VRAM sizes because I'm most likely wrong anyways

[blissful vale]

gtx 1660 super does come with 8 GB

[burnt moss]

Is a graphics card the only thing that separates a normie PC from a Gamer PC?

[violet zealot]

nah normal PCs have graphics cards in them most of the time

albeit weak ones

[burnt moss]

Integrated though, I thought

[violet zealot]

at least from the ones I've seen personally

I never have went out and looked for an office PC so maybe most use an iGPU, I don't know

[blissful vale]

lets make something clear. PC without a GPU, doesnt work, it has no image.

[violet zealot]

sorry, I throw around GPU as "dedicated GPU" a lot of the time

[blissful vale]

Now, your typical office pc either has integrated GPU, or a very cheap passive cooled dedicated one

[violet zealot]

and just checked a couple Dell desktops and I can confirm I am wrong as every single one ran on an iGPU

[blissful vale]

a "gamer" PC, would typically need a dedicated GPU, with power enough to run actual games

otherwise it wouldnt be able to game that much would it?

[violet zealot]

though, just a question but should we move channels so we don't clog this one?
Question would be which channel if we do move.

[burnt moss]

General is a good place. But nobody has asked about Doom in a while

[violet zealot]

we did move over to #tech-talk by the way

[azure oriole]

can you use the hammer in tag1 like you can use the crucible before taras nabad

[violet zealot]

ignore what I had said, need a better understanding of what you said

you mean as if you loaded into a level pre-TN after you completed the game or?

[azure oriole]

can you go back to tag1 after unlocking the hammer in the world spear amd use it

[violet zealot]

nah

hammer's limited to just TAG2

[azure oriole]

damn

[violet zealot]

it'd be kinda funny, though

[azure oriole]

wasnt there a new doomgame being developed

[spare willow]

u

[stray dust]

Looking for help with the online trophies.

[umbral totem]

how come everyone on reddit says doom 2016 is better, i played it again after playing eternal, and the gameplay is so boring in comparison

[lyric lodge]

some people just prefer to stick with 2 weapons and consider it "a blast" even tho youre just spamming super shotgun and gauss cannon

[umbral totem]

it's not even that, the movement alone is just so lame in doom 2016 lmao, not saying it's a bad game but after all the manuevering ability presented to us in eternal, it feels so boring to only be able to run and jump

[lyric lodge]

its grounded, a little

[serene stone]

If I'm being honest here, I never really thought Eternal fixed the "spamming", there's a lot of high level players that get by with spamming PB + Rocket combos all day.

... and Hugo Martin mostly spams Ballista+SSG on his streams haha

All the DOOM games have issues letting you spam things really

[lyric lodge]

yeahhhh but master levels dont allow you to do that much plus pb rocket IS an effective combat midair but unlike 2016 you dont stand on the ground

[lyric lodge]

and regaring hugo martin i'd say ive seen him die multiple times from the clips on youtube so not really sure about that

[austere bronze]

I absolutely do not just spam pb rocket...

I use rocket punch swapps too (:

[lyric lodge]

yo if i were to want to try BATS on console should i sacrifice my ballista keybind(R3) for modswap

[serene stone]

Just because YOU don't, doesn't mean others can't and still succeed

Clockner plays 2016 quick swapping through all his weapons like a maniac.

Both games let you do the same

[lyric lodge]

while true, i'd still say eternal has lesser spamming tho

[serene stone]

I mean he's busy listening to and answering questions from the fans while playing so that'd affect your play performance a lot

[lyric lodge]

the game has a pause button idk

[serene stone]

I seen a lot of pros succeed on Master Levels and even modded content spamming PB+Rocket.

But this is a bit of an unfair comparison anyway because 2016 didn't have Master Levels

[serene stone]

So he has to pause literally every second?

There's a shitton of fans in the comments posting the entire time

[serene stone]

Yeah I did think Eternal did a better job at encouraging players to use more tools, but it still has very similar issues overall.

[austere bronze]

if it wasn't for ammo limitations and small rooms I would be able to go through almost all modded levels and MLs with just pb rocket

[serene stone]

He does have Josh with him to answer a lot of the questions anyway

[serene stone]

I mean they still chainsaw a lot, but PB+Rocket is abused like crazy

I don't really understand why people like to throw specifically 2016 under the bus for this though.

Even Classic Doom lets you spam rockets and SSG most the time.

[lyric lodge]

rockets only have 13 rockets tho, not exactly enough for consistent spamming

[austere bronze]

that's why I like maykr drone fights

[lyric lodge]

ah right makyr drones are almost everywhere in modded levels

[serene stone]

A lot of the people I seen also have Maykr drones in their levels

But even without Maykr drones, it's the most overused combo I've seen

[umbral totem]

PB+anything is abused like crazy lmao

[austere bronze]

That's because it's the most effective combos

[serene stone]

But outside of that, SSG+Ballista still super spammable and busted.

Not as broken as SSG+Gauss from 2016, but still extremely spammable and busted

[umbral totem]

yea that's the marauder combo

[serene stone]

Yeah that's what I mean. Eternal lets you spam shit like crazy lol.

I just said PB+Rocket and SSG+Ballista as top of the head examples

[umbral totem]

i mean you can combo all the heavies together I feel like, although some work better than others of course

in doom 2016 tho you can get away by just double shotgun shots the entire level

eternal kinda forces you to use your whole arsenal, which i both like and dislike

[austere bronze]

Yeah, I was just playing cultist base slaughter map which gets insanely easy when you can just fly around with 2 jump pads and restock with 2 maykr drones

[lyric lodge]

fr tho, i saw muricaneagle's gameplay on it and saw an immediate pattern of him jumping back to the free makyr drones on the sides, not to mention the full bp and max hp is honestly unfair

[serene stone]

I found SSG in solitude to be suicide on 2016 atleast on Nightmare.

You'll just get sniped and one shotted by all the far away imps trying to always get close to other enemies.

Siege mode and remote detonate rockets are much more reliable to spam, if you want to use a singular weapon

[austere bronze]

Yepp, I'mma try to beat it with taking 1.25X damage, dealing 0.75X damage, no lob and no ice grenade

[lyric lodge]

i suppose there is more variety in the "spammable combos" now lmao

[lyric lodge]

i'd say a better rule is no makyr drones and just chainsawing the fodder for ammo

[austere bronze]

Think I would run out of chainsaw fuel with the insane amount of super heavys

And that isn't as fun

[lyric lodge]

maybe only resorting to makyr drones after having 0 ammo on everything? makes you switch to other weapons when rockets are done i mean

[serene stone]

Yeah you could probably say that.

[austere bronze]

Eh, not as fun as flying around and punch swapping rockets on 10 demons at once

[lyric lodge]

lmao fair

[serene stone]

I quick swap like crazy in both games lol

But that's because it's fun in both games

[serene stone]

A criticism I always had for Eternal is you HAVE to use PB to speed up quick swaps.

I personally prefer micro missiles, but quick swapping is sloppy with that. So I use PB a lot more.

[serene stone]

2016 could be fast swapping with anything, even micro missiles which I liked

[austere bronze]

I was never really fond of micro missiles tbh

[lyric lodge]

yeah, its bringup speed is peak

[serene stone]

Buffed micro missiles are super satisfying, but they suck with quick swaps

[lyric lodge]

thats because 2016 wasnt MADE for quickswapping, it was just there. doom eternal was actually made for it and was optimised in certain ways like bringup speed(i think, idk i dont have a full anaylsis), thats why its actually harder to quickswap in de than 2016

[serene stone]

I don't think that really explains why PB is the only way to make it fast.

You'd think it would be fast will all of them, if it were built on quick swap

There's punch swaps that are fast too, but only for the same weapon

Though Hugo Martin did say that they tried to make 2016 built on quick swaps in an interview.

But he thought that they missed some elements in the execution , so they tried to correct some of it when building Eternal

[lyric lodge]

and then BATS happened

[slow sigil]

The devs already didn't expect PB swaps, BATS nuked it lol

[serene stone]

https://youtu.be/Ke5uHLQMaGU?si=deLXHOJQUMJeDpOJ

Somewhat unrelated, but still Doom Eternal, but have y'all seen this?

[austere bronze]

I have not seen that

[lyric lodge]

thumbnail looks crazy

[serene stone]

Yeah the graphics effects in the video are ridiculous. A bit too much perhaps

Hugo Martin is a gigachad he likes seeing and watching the tech and stuff you can do in his own game

Most game devs would nuke patch and be furious about that kinda stuff in a heartbeat

[lyric lodge]

add purple goo in the air!!!

[serene stone]

Lol. Yeah, he's comedic too

[lyric lodge]

[serene stone]

"Fucking shit!"

"Balls!"

https://youtu.be/3wvmt2gKzmI?si=oGsOW6J2hG0-d1l5

"We're nerfing it all. Nerf the whole game"

[lyric lodge]

YEAH!!! NERF CARCASSES!!

[serene stone]

Nerf.

Uh. Nerf the.... tentacles?

[lyric lodge]

nerf purple goo

[placid robin]

delete them

[serene stone]

Buff purple goo. Give it AI behavior and so it can walk and fly in the air

[lyric lodge]

make it summon goo zombies that make you slow when they hit you

[young mango]

i like the original concept more, just a piece of floor with AI

[placid robin]

whats purple goo

[tacit aspen]

In some levels purple liquid is on the floor and slows you down

[lyric lodge]

Why is it sticky? Is it from a demon? 🤔

[azure oriole]

bro what 🗿🗿

[placid robin]

oh yeah pretty annoying bit eh

[tacit aspen]

In Taras Nabad there's the titan with the crucible stuck in its chest, if you pay attention you can see his perfect nails. I was thinking the purple goo was spilled nail polish lol

[patent pond]

They have fingernail polish in hell?

That would explain the purple shit

[gray skiff]

i wanna train for UN is there any way to simulate playing a level as you do through a UN run without making a new save

[slow sigil]

Play on NM and try to constrain your weapons to the ones you would've gotten ig
Can't really reverse upgrades though

[gray skiff]

thats the one thing i dont really like, maybe i could turn off all my runes to make up for it or something like that

[slow sigil]

Well it's mostly about the feel, turniny of runes won't do that much because you will have those in UN

At low health, you'd still act the same so

[tacit aspen]

When I train I reset the level before I've finished it. Usually there's a portal for you to go through, or something like that, so I don't go through that, reset the mission, and replay it

[gray skiff]

ive been skipping extra lives cuz it feels cheap to use them, should i start picking them up

ill definitely do it for UN but maybe im causing more trouble than its worth by skipping them

[tacit aspen]

UN doesn't have extra lives

[gray skiff]

WHAT 😭

[glossy warren]

yea it kinda defeats the whole purpose

[gray skiff]

there goes my chances of beating it

at least for rn i really do wanna train for it

[acoustic lark]

In the location where the extra lifes are, is a "sentinel armor", on UN

[gray skiff]

im gonna try to get every bit of content i can for the base game before sinking money into TAG

[gray skiff]

does is also make u stronger or just take less damage

[acoustic lark]

no, just refills ur armor

[gray skiff]

oh thats good to know

[acoustic lark]

its a item only found in UN

[gray skiff]

well i guess its not a good idea to pick them up anyway, good to know i was making the right call

[tacit aspen]

I think in the blood swamps too, no matter the difficulty

[acoustic lark]

Spirit Armor, thats what its called*

[tacit aspen]

OK thank you. I didn't know there was a difference

[candid wagon]

i dont know the spirit armot what game appearence

[young mango]

true for the base campaign but if you want to get technical there’s at least one that naturally appears in the blood swamps regardless of difficulty

[tacit aspen]

Yeah I was thinking that. There should be at least one, I can't remember where exactly though.

[austere bronze]

Wait, doesn't shards give 5 and helmet gives 25?

[tacit aspen]

Should be! I need to play this game again, haha

[storm field]

This is only in nightmare or other difficulties(except İTYTD)

[acoustic lark]

different, based on the difficulty

[austere bronze]

Ohh, how did I not know that after 400+ hours in this game💀

[young mango]

to add unto this, the only difficulty that changes the values of pickups is ITYTD

that’s the main reason it’s so popular to speedrun ITYTD for campaign because this effects ammo pickups as well

i know rockets only give 1 regardless of difficulty though

every other ammo type gives around 33.3% more

alas TAG2 is a foul category with a billion greenlight enemies so tokens are the bigger prioritization instead of pickups

[acoustic lark]

Found a old interview of DEVO, about DOOM Eternal.
And i couldn't agree more.

[young mango]

the performance thing is still true, but doom eternal has doubled in size since launch😢

devo butterfly effected the hundo category btw

he submitted a hundo run and they realized he initiated a “dash refill” codex, which is one of those entries that enters automatically, and thanks to the meta rushing past that section usually, they just didn’t know it existed, so after the moderators saw this, they made a community vote on whether this should be mandatory, which i and many others voted against, because half of those hidden codexes require tutorials to be enabled to grab, which isn’t very speedrunnish

also the fact that the extra lives codex straight up doesn’t exist on ultra nightmare

it was also great for the quality of life behind the run, they voted against the doom blade codex too

which effectively means UN runs dont gotta sit through noviks yapping every time

[placid robin]

absolutely
tho like tammie said yeah game kinda big now

[halcyon remnant]

One of the rare things i despise about doom eternal is that the multiplayer mode trophies count to the platinum trophy of a single player game

[young mango]

to add unto what i said, im going to use the size inbetween updates to gauge how unoptimized this game is

so between hotfixes, 1.1 makes the game bigger by around 3GB, and 2.0 makes it almost its base size again. with 2.1 going up from 2.0, but still not as big as 1.1, 3.0 adds TAG1 so I’ll say it’s upgraded file size is justified, around 11GB bigger than 2.1, with 3.1 making it go down a gig, and 4.0 ( the SGN ML update ) it goes up by about 3GB, and then goes down like 200MB in 4.1, 5.0 adds TAG2 and increases the file size about 13GB, with the 5.1 hotfix increasing the size around 2.5GB, the Taras ML update ( 6.0 ) increases it by around 5GB, 6.1-6.4 are all hot fixes, with 6.4 ending at 5 more GB than 6.0, 6.66 rises them by another 10GB, 6.66.1-6.66.2.2 are all hotfixes and ends about 1GB larger than 6.66

tl;dr about at least 9GB of this games files are indisputably junk/skins

which is honestly less than I expected the final number to be

I’m not like a modder or anything idk shit about game files thats just me comparing my version size differences

[jolly kernel]

anyone here thinks the Samur fight is annoying?

[young mango]

a lot of people

[jolly kernel]

those eyeball turrets that damage you if you are near them, the constantly respawning Blood Maykrs, the environmental hazards

I fucking hate that fight

[young mango]

doom eternal is a game that doubles down on every aspect of its design, and unfortunately that includes the shitty parts

[jolly kernel]

Dark Lord is more enjoyable to fight than Samur

[young mango]

I concur with this statement, if I didn’t enjoy it I wouldn’t be running TAG2

that’s actually the main reason other serious runners haven’t tried TAG2, simply because they don’t like the dark lord

they’ve actually considered a category extension where it’s TAG2 without the dark Lord

[jolly kernel]

let's be real: the Dark Lord fight isn't as bad as people say it is even though he's basically a stronger Marauder

[young mango]

i don’t need to flaunt myself but i personally think I am one of the best people at fighting the dark lord

[jolly kernel]

the way you stun him with the sentinel hammer when he's already stunned and the cartoony circling stars effect that accompanies it, it's both hilarious and satisfying as you wreck him while he's stunned

[young mango]

i think it’s cool that gycnob is the one who set the world record for the category I’m running, he’s quite notable

[jolly kernel]

an interesting thing about the Dark Lord to me is how he uses some of the mechanics the player uses: if he hits you, he gets healed, complete with a health item dropping from you and him picking it up

[young mango]

he also heals when you hit him outside of his greenlight window

[young mango]

when i first had that happen to me I thought it was a glitch, and waited for them to patch it out, which never happened

[tacit aspen]

There's a mod which removes those cartoony stars circling around his head. I used to have it installed but those are quite helpful even if annoying

[jolly kernel]

I don't hate it at all, in fact I think it's good and funny
it just shows how Eternal doesn't try to hide the fact that it's cartoony

[tacit aspen]

Agreed, the game doesn't really take itself seriously. Who cares, it's fun

[blissful vale]

i also love the art style, doom's goofy demons are the best. (witht the exception of doom 3)

[jolly kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465235452148842518/1237848521890336768/darklordcirclingstars.mp4?ex=663d23c5&is=663bd245&hm=3e84cf370bd4e48a90ce361165ef13aa930af210a5e2ab5f4094166e4d8bc800&

[young mango]

hud opacity moment

[glossy warren]

I didnt even notice the hud

[young mango]

also am i tripping or is that an ORANGE healthbar for the darklord?

[glossy warren]

I think thats the opacity

[young mango]

usually his healthbar is blue 6.0 onwards, including current patch

[glossy warren]

I swear its always been red wtf

[young mango]

one’s current patch, one’s 5.1, you can even see that i have my version numbers listed in the top right corner

https://youtu.be/9bny6MPYpBE?si=BBRqOmkg9nnJEXFG

https://youtu.be/YQc6XZOA5GQ?si=CKeQB32pdMWbUB5D

[patent pond]

The dark lord health bar can change colors?

No way I think it depends on the hud color

You know like the exterminator thing that turns the hud red

[young mango]

I’m using the same HUD setting in both versions

[jolly kernel]

this isn’t my gameplay btw

[patent pond]

Okay looking back at the videos I think the color is randomized

[young mango]

really? damn must be an old video then

[green path]

Especially it only got one single rule: Rip and Tear until its done

[patent pond]

Factual

[austere bronze]

It's always been orange for me

[worn terrace]

extra lives do not belong in the Doom Eternal campaign unless you are playing extra lvies mode.

[austere bronze]

Why?

[worn terrace]

biggest reason, get lives and lose them all in one arena and having to restart the arena with no back ups. Now you are in a big hole. that causes frustration within new players and hopeless ness. Extra lives should be all replaced with soul or megapsheres.

not to mention having lives creates bad habits

and false sense of security - you actually play worse sometimes.

[halcyon remnant]

Like 1 month ago i asked how to get the gold heavy shotgun and now i need to do 2 more challenges until i have it

[halcyon remnant]

Helps new players and helps skilled players in finding mistakes in their combat flow

Or to get pass a skippable difficult fight in a level on higher diffs

[halcyon remnant]

I hate it, its killed a couple of my UN runs

[worn terrace]

problem is, the harder fights for those players will be even harder if they depend on lives at all. Better to thow them off the cliffs at the beginng and learn their mistakes.

ive literally watched people just quit after losing their 4 extra lives when having to restart a arena in Cultist base.

Games are suppose to be challenging, not a art museum tour.

"I'm too young to die" does exists

[glossy warren]

or just, dont take the extra lives

[austere bronze]

That sounds like the players fault tbh

[slow sigil]

Part of game design is protecting the game for.... not so bright people

[bleak oak]

do you know why the secret accounter is locked in the dlc part 2 mission 1

[slow sigil]

Maybe if you give a pic

[bleak oak]

im on psn

i can import it tho

[slow sigil]

Idk shitty phone pic then

[bleak oak]

nah i was finna put it on a usb

Oh

i think its bc its like an

escalation ecounter

[young mango]

wdym locked??? it’s mandatory in a normal playthrough😭

[bleak oak]

mbb it had a warning on the map

i was tweaking for a sec

[young mango]

wha

[bleak oak]

like it was red asf

[young mango]

how was such a misinterpretation even made? the same thing exists all across the campaign

[bleak oak]

oh

im jus slow then mb 😭

thank you

[azure oriole]

yes he teleports around alot and its annoying also with the environment your in
i cant beat it on nightmare yet, im still tryna get better at the game im at ultra violence type skill

[azure oriole]

Marauder cooler tbh, and dark lord is super easy once you learn how to beat it or beat it one time it will be easier the next time

[slow sigil]

Meh i find him a lot closer to acrual arena play then most other bosses esp once you have to fight 2 spirited demons. That feels like a real bossfught tag has led up to

[slow sigil]

Eh dark lord isn't about the hardness, noone really finds hin hard. People just find him really boring and badly designed

[azure oriole]

ohh

yeah he is kinda boring

marauder is more fun for me tho

[slow sigil]

Like yes sure i want to stand around, only hitting dash sometimes whilst i wait for this singular enemy to roll the right RNG for me to shoot it, for FIVE SECTIONS STRAIGHT.

[azure oriole]

oh yeah, you have to dash for most of the fight cus of the one double hit thing he does and when he uses his shield to charge at you

aside from normal movement

how do u get gold super shotgun skin

[azure oriole]

how u get

[azure oriole]

One of the ancient gods 2 levels on nightmare I don't remember which one though

[slow sigil]

Well yeah if you mean with "normal" movement the bare minimum WASD
There is not a single bit of verticality

[azure oriole]

dashing normally for movement not dodging is what i was tryna say aside from i didnt understand what ur saying

[slow sigil]

I mean, you don't have to dash for movement in the dark lord bossfight

[azure oriole]

Ill just to do all of them because i looked up on youtube and i have to beat ancient gods part 2 and each level gives gold weapons so ill be good with that

[azure oriole]

When he summons the heavy demons or super heavy

and to go chainsaw or refill fast from the enemies around with glory kills

[slow sigil]

They have even less HP then normal, you really don't have to dash for movement speed

[azure oriole]

refill hammer*

ok

[lyric lodge]

it had me so bored i actually died so many times because i couldnt even want to try 😭🙏

[novel vector]

whats really funny about davoth is that i accidentally perfected him

so i made a guide for it
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3009668739

[surreal sundial]

Monkey

[azure oriole]

For everyone here what is your favorite Doom Eternal Base game Level

Mine is Mars Core

https://youtu.be/nYo9yPy3qjQ?si=2EIouQbyYGWxnP54

Because of the meme

[surreal sundial]

Icon of sin

[azure oriole]

The level name is Final Sin

[gray skiff]

i really like final sin up until the boss fight

especially the room with the tyrant right at the entrance

[azure oriole]

I like the room with the massive infighting party that you can crash with the bfg

I love how monsters can infight in Doom 2016 and Eternal

[gray skiff]

exultia is really good, taras nabad is a similar aesthetic but with late game difficulty

[azure oriole]

I love exultia

Introduction of both new abilities in DE (dash and blood punch)

[gray skiff]

beautiful map, in dire need to a master level tho since its only the second map

[azure oriole]

I love how the punch which in Doom 2016 is only good for getting free health from normal possessed and unwilling is actually a viable attack in DE with the blood punch

And I ABSOLUTELY love the dash

[gray skiff]

i like the dash too but i wonder if they could do without it in the next game

i can imagine them going for a more classic feel, basic jumping but much more focused on grounded movement

maybe even getting rid of glory kills who knows

i feel like restacking is too important to take away now that its part of the games but they could completely rework what the player has to do to demons to get resources

[serene stone]

Yeah but they did damage in 2016.

They're immune to each other on Eternal

[serene stone]

1. Arc Complex
2. Final Sin
3. Nekravol Part 1 and 2 (same level IMO)
4. Mars Core
5. Sentinel Prime (Gladiator is so amazing)

[serene stone]

I didn't like Icon of Sin and the aesthetics are a bit bland, but the rest of Final Sin is really good.

[serene stone]

Hugo's secret weapon

[serene stone]

He's just mid mostly

[rustic yoke]

Urdak. Easily. The most unique and aesthetically pleasing level. A Sci-Fi Heaven is so unheard of for me, easily left a lasting impression on me

[azure oriole]

It's very heavenly getting flung into bottomless pits by the artificial wind tunnels.

[serene stone]

Just a drawnout spongey wall that stays still.

Also his physics are extremely janky and you'll even get pushed/no clipped through entire walls and ceilings

Also it feels more like an endless horde arena with a spongey wall rather than a boss fight.

I'm also not big on his design and his two arenas look bland lol

[serene stone]

I'm always sad that I think this, but I like two arenas in Urdak, but I don't really like anything else about it all that much.

[young mango]

Urdak certainly has stuff happen in it

ring movement for speedruns is goated

[spring panther]

those giant barrels in the mars core level go absolutely crazy when properly utilized

the damage is absolutely nuts

[placid robin]

[robust nacelle]

Nekravol part one
the set pieces and atmosphere really make it one of the best depictions of Hell in a doom game in my opinion.
the main track Metal Hell basically being a Mick Gordon cover of doom 2s Bye Bye American pie. absolute perfection.

aside from set pieces, the use of crushers and tight corridors really give you a throwback to classic doom

[solid agate]

я русский

[robust nacelle]

basically the same as his doom 2 boss fight I don't really see anything wrong with that

at least you can hit him whenever you want, not only when your on the middle platform with the rocket launcher to shoot John Romeros head

[austere bronze]

if it wasn't for the no meathook node cooldown arena and the air arena with all the cacos and pain elementals in unbalanced unreclaimed earth I would have easily done it on UN by now

those two arenas are the banes of my existence

but the meathook one is mostly annoying tbf

[young mango]

meathook node part isn’t even fun that shit just makes you feel like sisyphus, you sneeze damage on the tyrant ( can’t dish it out quickly ), meathook, glory kill the cacodemons, meathook, then repeat like 15 more times

[austere bronze]

yeah, I would rather have 2 possessed tyrants but no tenctacles tbh

[young mango]

true

[austere bronze]

if you land on the ground you will never get up because of the tenctacles

[young mango]

kind of a hot take, but air time in doom eternal doesn’t matter most of the times, like there is not a single situation where air camping is more beneficial than just jumping to dodge and then coming back down

if anything it hinders you because it’s harder to dodge because of your limited movement options mid air, especially the players who do no air control

[austere bronze]

I think it depends a lot on the arena but yeah, I can agree

that double jump movement lock or wahtever hinders you a bit in the air

[young mango]

to be fair you need to be in the air for a decently long time for that to happen

[austere bronze]

true

[young mango]

sometimes you can get movement lock before the second jump which just feels randomly determined, but I’d say for double jump movement lock you’d have to be in the air for like 2-3 seconds

the basis for movement lock before the second jump just doesn’t make any sense to me

I’ve done entire zip boosts and yeethook trimps that launch me like hundreds of meters in the sky, but for some reason, smaller trimps can do the silly movement lock thing without a double jump

the only instance I’ve seen this ridiculous thing be prevalent is the fountain yeethook in world spear

no joke these last at 5 months I’ve gained more knowledge about doom eternal than the rest of the 3 years I’ve been playing it for

[austere bronze]

according to me at least, often doom eternal makes no sense

[cunning pebble]

I'm curious, is Doom Eternal supported on Linux and macOS?

[austere bronze]

like for some reason one of the tyrants ground attack will randomly damageyou like 10 metres in the air and deal 120 damage or something ridiculous

[young mango]

linux with some workarounds most definitely, but MacOS doesn’t support vulkan iirc

[cunning pebble]

macOS does support Vulkan

And I use it as renderer in a lot of games and apps

[quiet token]

[gray skiff]

if i beat super gore nest ML classic on easy do i still get the skin, im not fighting a baron with sticky bombs idc if it makes me a noob

[dull herald]

ya omg

umm p sure u only ever have to play one classic run on any difficulty

[austere bronze]

Yeah but to get the gold csg you also need to conplete it on UN

[dull herald]

WHA SRLSY

is there even an un classic mode

[austere bronze]

Oh no lmao, I'm talking about normal UN

[dull herald]

o oops

[austere bronze]

Classic mode UN would be a bit too extreme

[dull herald]

dude base fire shotgun is so op tho wdymm 🥺🥺

[austere bronze]

Oh yeah, I forgot

320 damage in point blank range goes crazy

Somehow pb does more damage than csg in point blank range

[young mango]

kinda makes since sense it’s a weapon mod

[austere bronze]

True but csg is still a shotgun

But then again, pb is a high caliber rifle shot

[regal walrus]

Can we not get the undead slayer dude

[vagrant owl]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189631720509673472/1238208472949067846/image.png?ex=663e7300&is=663d2180&hm=b8ba5dbb199ab6fa546f153d95dcae31db5f8a32c901c72b1446eaec27aca889&
so the game is telling me to complete the campaign again? (i have no idea how this works)

[slow sigil]

In extra life mode yeah
But that's only if you really want to get the achievment, you're luckily not forced to get the achievment

[vagrant owl]

my man
i completed doom 2016 and now i must complete eternal as well ok? so ima SPEND MORE 8 HOURS OF MY LIFE but this time ima do nightmare

[slow sigil]

You literally do not have to do it?

[vagrant owl]

i want to?

[slow sigil]

??? Then why are you complaining???

If you literally want to do it??

[vagrant owl]

im not complaining but spending more 8 hours is ehhhhh but its alr

i love this game

[slow sigil]

I mean... again if you don't want to you literally don't have to.

You choose what to do, if you don't want to do it, then don't!

[spring panther]

managed to find an actually competitive battlemode server on console

[vagrant owl]

"Rip and tear, until it is done."
real

[spring panther]

after a long 30 minutes the game ended

[vagrant owl]

i want tho :)

cacodemon is cute fr

[spring panther]

honestly it was very fun

[gray skiff]

i kinda wish the unmodded shotgun had a bit more range, like in 93

all the guns besides CSG and cannon are still viable unmodded but default CSG is like slapping hellspawn with a whiffle ball bat

[tacit aspen]

If you play on PC there's a mod which rebalances all weapons, CSG gets a bit of a buff. It's not that much though

[gray skiff]

sadly am xbox slayer

i will say i love that you can bind weapons to the d pad on pad makes quickswitching a breeze

[tacit aspen]

I admire you. I used my x-box controller for this game once, just to see how it feels like. I died after you get the first weapon mod bot, just wasn't able to aim

[gray skiff]

i cant play shooters on pc anyway, end up pressing every button but the one i need cuz they all feel the same

[tacit aspen]

WASD feels very natural to me though all the weapons of Eternal are a challenge. I still tend to use my mouse way too much

[gray skiff]

i just dont like how pressing certain buttons make it so you cant press the movement key you need

you have to take your finger off w or a to hit q, D to hit E, etc

[tacit aspen]

E is on mouse 5, I never use Q, lol

I have 9 buttons on my mouse and I still use the mouse wheel so often even if I shouldn't.

[bleak oak]

is there different rewards if you complete the escalation encounter on a different save and mode

[tacit aspen]

The ones of TAG1 give you Slayer skins, if you already have them, no. TAG2 are hammer upgrades. If I remember right, probably I do

[austere bronze]

Yea

Modded doom eternal is great, I feel bad for all of you on console

[young mango]

console players have one advantage I can think of off the top of my head and that’s being able to control your walking speed, which usually would be useless but it makes it insanely easy to set up edge boosts

[austere bronze]

That is true, console players can control walking speed in pretty much any game

I'm scared of #general rn

[young mango]

doom eternal has a scrapped walk button, and a scrapped crouch button, btw

[bleak oak]

thank you

[young mango]

“bind (x) _walk”
and
“bind (x) _crouch”

I think anyways

[austere bronze]

Interesting, where do you learn all this stuff about doom eternal?

[young mango]

honestly I don’t know, i just retain almost everything I’ve learned about it, it’s the tism, also I’m a huge lurker in the speedrun discord

[young mango]

also when binding to keys through console you also have to change a bind in settings manually to retain it or it’ll be gone when you leave the game

[austere bronze]

Aight, fair enough

[tacit aspen]

That is a channel I just ignore

[austere bronze]

Smart

[tacit aspen]

Muted it. I don't see whether there are new messages, it's always grayed out for me

[austere bronze]

I just turned off all kind of notifications for discord and just check stuff from time to time

[tacit aspen]

Yeah. Sometimes you can really get caught up in there, I mean usually it's not that bad of a place but sometimes it's better to not be overly curious

[austere bronze]

For some reason I'm in a swedish discord server for conpetetive brawl stars players (I'm not one I have like 15k trophies) and the beef there goes crazyyy💀

Idk why but brawl stars players have some of the most beefy beefs

[untold root]

It's not letting me renter the ripatorium in my main save do any of you know how to fix that?

[tacit aspen]

I think you can do that only once between missions, you might have been already there, quit the game, took a break, returned, and forgot you were inside the Ripatorium?

[novel vector]

Yeah I had this issue too, it’s there I presume to not let you build up masteries

[royal arch]

are the arc broadcasts mandatory

[lofty estuary]

probably not

[glossy warren]

no

[royal arch]

thank god

[solar mural]

Hey guys is there a functioning version of the Equip all runes mod atm? It's not working for me with my current mods list sadly and I can't figure out how to troubleshoot to get it to work.

[lusty comet]

Hey guys how you doing?

[neat lichen]

Unpopular opinion, ancient gods part 2 is better than part 1

[muted harness]

The base game is better than DLC

[serene stone]

Hammer makes it more fun. A lot more cool combos you can do, especially with blood punch chaining

Though World Spear is lame af and I don't like its Shrek Skyrim hybrid aesthetic lol

[lyric lodge]

Saying world spear is lame is definitely something

[gray skiff]

thats the level im most excited for when i buy TAG

[lyric lodge]

Doom 2 Icon of Sin VS TAG2 The Dark Lord

[serene stone]

The Master Level is kinda cool, though very drawnout and terrible performance/frame rate.

But the base level is just extremely subpar

[serene stone]

Also agreed. Final Sin, Arc Complex, Mars Core , and Nekravol 1/2 are great

[lyric lodge]

Imo tho tag1 is has the pace of final sin for 3 whole missions making it pretty adrenaline rushing

[lyric lodge]

I lowkey liked the base level. The introduction of meathook nodes and the new enemies was pretty decent

[serene stone]

the DLC missions in general feel way too drawnout ngl.

Also I didn't really like the type of gimmicks they used.

But maybe because I play many custom wads that have much better gimmicks

[serene stone]

I like the meathook points and armored Barons which is why I think the Master Level of World Spear is pretty cool.

But the base level is so empty, and feels like mostly fodder spam really.

[serene stone]

The Holt sans Samur does have a pretty appropriate length doe

[ebon jacinth]

Anybody plays DooM eternal on Nintendo Switch?
My Game crashes a lot in Master Level highgest difficulty (Super Gore Nest)

[azure oriole]

what was that other thing you sent

[serene stone]

It was a Caco

[ebon jacinth]

yeah, i saw a big CacoDemon Gif

showing his.... posterior

[serene stone]

A 3D Classic design Caco strutting its stuff I guess

[azure oriole]

that's weird

[serene stone]

Yeah tbh I didn't even it did that until I sent it lol.

[ebon jacinth]

lol

[serene stone]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-external-doomguy-doom-slayer-raised-eyebrown-gif-24765324

[serene stone]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-creepy-scream-gif-12314061

[lyric lodge]

i used to. wasnt a pleasant experience

[ebon jacinth]

i read something in reedit, it seems i have to play through all the Mission, without dying.

[lyric lodge]

such a pleasant experience

[ebon jacinth]

i was killed allmost in the end. once... and my game crashed.

nightmare indeed

[serene stone]

Damn

[azure oriole]

I got super weakened by a Mancubus and finally died to a zombie.
All happened at the start of the level.

[ebon jacinth]

The longer the Icon of Sin is on Earth, the stronger it will become

[serene stone]

https://tenor.com/view/samuel-hayden-destroyed-gif-26781526

[serene stone]

https://tenor.com/view/mancubus-dance-skibi-di-dop-dop-dop-yes-yes-skibi-di-demon-gif-15663105148151363548

[serene stone]

The Mancubus who nearly killed you

[ebon jacinth]

so

Samuel Hayden is the Devil?

oh, by the way, nobody Plays Doom eternal Online?

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/zombie-doom-guy-doomguybot-gotta-lock-in-doomguy-bot-gif-11392673462040144458

the zombie that actually killed me

[serene stone]

https://tenor.com/view/die-playing-zombie-gif-17424122

Will you do this to him during his "celebration"?

[hasty wolf]

i think i finnaly found solution how to play doom

joining family group helps

[stone jetty]

There is no game but doom eternal which makes me rage at it

Also this cooldown is so annoyingggg

But it’s a very fitting game to rage at I suppose

[hasty wolf]

nvm it still crashes😭 💀

[stone jetty]

Bros locked in

[austere bronze]

which cooldown?

[serene stone]

The Eternal cool down of SKRILL issue

Nah I'm just playing lol

[lyric lodge]

chat probably

[young mango]

there is no situation where I need to pump out a message more frequent than every 10 seconds😭

literally the cooldown is just giving you time to type your next message

[austere bronze]

true, but I don't find it that annoying tbh

just type 1 message

[lyric lodge]

yeahh but i am the kind of guy to speak in multiple messages instead of shift + enter 😭

[serene stone]

Like

This

[lyric lodge]

yes

[serene stone]

Ni

ce

[lyric lodge]

in

deed

[austere bronze]

now you're just torturing yourself

[serene stone]

Now

You're

[austere bronze]

💀

[serene stone]

Death's Skull

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-25740535

[wintry solar]

😂

[serene stone]

Glad someone recognized this masterpiece

[jolly kernel]

wait is that a reference to that guy with a red t-shirt dancing with his belly moving around

[regal salmon]

Guys can you still get the hellforged skin?

[lyric lodge]

Just complete the immora escalation encounter wave 2

[regal salmon]

I meant for the ssg

[austere bronze]

the skibidi dop dop guy

[regal salmon]

In the first age, in the first battle

[lyric lodge]

the start of it all

the downfall of humanity

[regal salmon]

A wake up call for the slayer

[austere bronze]

no, the start ware those weird spiderman and elsa youtube videos for children

I remember that my sister used to watch that many, many years ago

[lyric lodge]

lmao

[austere bronze]

do you know about those minecraft videos that supposedly are for children but in reality they are quite NSFW?

[regal salmon]

Yea

[austere bronze]

I feel bad for you

[regal salmon]

I wish I didnt search those up

But how do you get the hellforged ssg btw?

[storm field]

ı only know there is hellforged slayer skin

[acoustic lark]

how exactly came we from #doom-eternal to this?

[regal salmon]

I dont know if hellforge is the correct name

[austere bronze]

I think you need to travel 600m with meathook

[regal salmon]

But its red witch cracks

[austere bronze]

uh, idk

[storm field]

That is required for bloodstained skin

[austere bronze]

oh

then I have no idea

[acoustic lark]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-a-clue-charles-haden-savage-steve-martin-only-murders-in-the-building-it's-a-hint-gif-6788753764347314265

[austere bronze]

I blame it on the Artyom guy

[acoustic lark]

i blame my mom

[austere bronze]

same

[regal salmon]

Huh

[acoustic lark]

For anyone not getting it, i simply ask to keep it #doom-eternal related here, for anything else just go #general

[regal salmon]

Can I send a picture of the skin I want?

[austere bronze]

you can in #screenshots ig

[regal salmon]

K

I sent it

[austere bronze]

pretty cool skin, tho I have never seen it and have no idea how to obtain it

[regal salmon]

I see

Do you know where I can ask this question so that I can ask more players?

[young mango]

you get it from battlemode rewards or whatever

[regal salmon]

Okay, can you be a bit more specific? Like How I can obtain it from the battlemode? (Sorry for being annoying, im late to the party :p)

[young mango]

idk but it battlemode should have some sort of streaks system, you can check the rewards there, it’s been a while since I’ve played battlemode and I don’t frequent current patch that often so idk

[indigo acorn]

whats battlemode?😭

[regal salmon]

Okay Ill check it out

[indigo acorn]

i js got doom rn

[regal salmon]

Multiplayer

[young mango]

You’re so real for this one

[indigo acorn]

is there like a endlesss waves typa mode?

[regal salmon]

No uh

Horde mode is like that

Multiplayer is like there are 2 teams, Slayer and Demons, both controlled by irl players

[indigo acorn]

alrr thank u

[regal salmon]

Its named Battlemode 2.0

I put my first 44 hours in doom eternal, learnt quick switch, it is helpful ngl

Can take out arachnotrons within a few combos

[austere bronze]

that's time spent efficently

[placid robin]

i wish

[regal salmon]

how do I win battlemod matches

They are too hard 😭

[gray skiff]

is there any way to customize the weapon wheel on battlemode i keep dying cuz im picking the wrong weapons

[placid robin]

git gud lmao

[placid robin]

yea

[gray skiff]

where do i go cuz i cant find it

[placid robin]

gameplay options or some shir

[regal salmon]

lamo

[placid robin]

:3c

[azure oriole]

be the slayer

[fierce lynx]

Doom might be dead

This is my way of coping. Acknowledging it

It died happy though. It wasn't killed. Can't say the same for a lot of other franchises

[austere bronze]

Idrc if it's dead, I'm enjoying it the same anyways

[fierce lynx]

That's what matters

[delicate ferry]

Is it not forgotten?

[fierce lynx]

Never

[austere bronze]

Yee

[delicate ferry]

Sadly

[austere bronze]

Nevah

[austere bronze]

Don't you like doom?

[delicate ferry]

I like DOOM

[fierce lynx]

Are you saying you like classic doom but not modern doom

[delicate ferry]

No

I dont like only Might Doom

[austere bronze]

Reletable

[smoky rover]

why

I thought he was just fine

[cinder monolith]

Can anyone tell me the best weapon mods and runes for taras nabad plz I've been on it for ages💀

[smoky rover]

shotgun

[regal salmon]

"shoot at it until it dies" ahh advice 💀

[smoky rover]

no mods

[azure oriole]

japaneese in ww2

[cinder monolith]

💀👍

[austere bronze]

I like: precision bolt, lock-on burst, destroyer blade, microwave beam andsticky bombs

[smoky rover]

ok but real advice any mod should work

you need to understand the game and know your playstyle

if you dont know how to use a good mod efficently, it wont help

[cinder monolith]

Kk

[smoky rover]

in terms of runes maybe air mobility, equipment fiend and longer staggers?

depends on what you struggle more

[cinder monolith]

Am I able 2 go back to old levels and get extra lives again

[smoky rover]

yes

[cinder monolith]

Thx

[dull marten]

Can you unlock Slayer Gates in Master Levels?

[smoky rover]

no

[dull marten]

Dang

[royal arch]

are there any upcoming steam sales

[hasty wolf]

help my doom keeps crashing😭 🙏

the problem is not in my pc because i've already done this game

i want to play it on hardest difficulty but it keeps crashing

[serene stone]

Nope and tbh I never understood why lol

[ionic trout]

I just heard Doom Eternal's intro sequence after 2 months of not playing
It just hits man.
"Against all the evil the mankind can conjure, all the wickedness that it can produce. We will send unto them, only you. Rip and tear until it is done."

[prisma wave]

Any body wanna farm some kills in pvp?

[fierce lynx]

Id software is in pretty bad shape right now

[spring panther]

quickswitch like a maniac on slayer

[spring panther]

no

[gray skiff]

thats bs i feel like thats the mode where muscle memory is most important

[spring panther]

i use binds

solves the issue of using the weapon wheel

[gray skiff]

im on console so i can only have three weapon binds without giving up important actions

just feels weird having to relearn the wheel after getting a perfect setup, kinda turns me away from the mode altogether which sucks cuz it already seems unpopular

[jolly igloo]

Did you know that one of the writers for the OG doom movie also wrote across the spiderverse?

And is now currently writing the next monsterverse film?

I didn’t know that

Pretty big turnaround if you ask me

[round valve]

🤯

[serene stone]

Eternal big bad?

[random vault]

summer

[royal arch]

i want to play doom eternal, but i dont know if i should buy it

[royal arch]

oki

[fierce lynx]

Doom eternal is one of my favorite games

[fierce lynx]

you should

All I'm saying is we've gotten pretty much just radio silence from Id recently

[azure oriole]

It's a good game. I recommend it, but some stuff would be unknown unless you know some Doom lore.

[random vault]

wait for a sale

[royal arch]

i know that sentinels originated in argent dnur, but i dont know the purpose of nekravol if argent dnur exists

[azure oriole]

But if you mean about money, I still recommend it. Any price for a good game is okay in my opinion, unless in a bad financial status.

[random vault]

no bro

[royal arch]

unless its something like mw3

[random vault]

they charge $40 for base game off sale

i bought deluxe edition (base game + both dlc) for $20

buying it off sale is just burning money for no reason

[azure oriole]

I got doom eternal for like $8 during the doom 30th anniversary

[royal arch]

i dont intend to play the dlc, nor do i intend to buy the deluxe edition

[azure oriole]

the base game is okay

[random vault]

base game on sale is like $10

[royal arch]

the gameplay looks sick as fuck

[azure oriole]

but the ancient gods is kinda hard.
maybe cuz Im playing it on Ultra Violence

[random vault]

part 1, 2 is easy as hell

[royal arch]

i saw ancient gods playthrough and the dark lord has to be one of the most disappointing boss fights of all time

[azure oriole]

of course
doom is based in hell (usually)

[royal arch]

is chainsaw fuel near impossible to find like in doom 2016?

[regal walrus]

How do u go past 120 fov

[azure oriole]

nah it's usually near good places
and it AUTOMATICALLY REFUELS

[random vault]

chainsaw fuel is infinite

your 1st bar of chainsaw infinitely replenishes

[royal arch]

love it already

[azure oriole]

also glory kills are kinda cooler

[royal arch]

is equipment actually useful?

[azure oriole]

like what equipment?

[royal arch]

like in doom 2016 we had frag grenades and that one grenade that healed u, and the hologram(which is pretty useless)

[regal walrus]

Yeh

[azure oriole]

Frag grenades still exist, but the others don't. There's like a freeze bomb tho, and it's still useful.

[royal arch]

what about flame belch

did they nerf shotgun ammo capacity?

[azure oriole]

Flame belch is useful, intil you get the fire mod for the Super Shotgun.
Also, I think they increased the shotgun ammo

[fierce lynx]

Yes, by a lot

At max ammo level the max it can hold is 24

This way the game makes sure you make use of your chainsaw regularly

Whereas in 2016 you don't really have to because of the abundance of ammo you already have access to

[young mango]

it’s not the best, but it doesn’t help that most of the darklord bossfights on YouTube are mediocre

[fierce lynx]

I agree

[fierce lynx]

No. Also you should know there are demon's you cannot chainsaw

[serene stone]

Oh I thought you were saying you didn't like the new DOOMs or atleast Eternal, by calling current iD Software bad

[azure oriole]

small demons need one feul ammo, bigger ones need like 2 or 3, and even bigger ones can't be chainsawed

[dreamy nebula]

Why is doom stuck on the teleporting loading screen

[fierce lynx]

They're super heavy demons. They serve as bosses/mini-bosses in your first encounter with them and then become increasingly regularly occuring in the game after the encounter

[fierce lynx]

Fodder demons take 1 fuel pip, heavy demons take 3, and super heavies are immune

[fierce lynx]

Just like the cyberdemon and spider mastermind of the classic games and the hellknights in doom 3

[serene stone]

I kinda think DOOM 4 Prototype looked cool.

[serene stone]

Freeze bomb is basically a repurposed stun bomb from 2016's Plasma Rifle if you think about it.

[azure oriole]

wtf is stun bomb

I don't remember that

[serene stone]

It's a mod for 2016's Plasma Rifle. It's ridiculously and stupidly good

[azure oriole]

what does it do? I never got it cuz I thought I was a goat and got all the mods.

[fierce lynx]

What

[fierce lynx]

The ice bomb has an upgrade that makes it so frozen demons will secrete health, so effectively that's the new siphon grenade

Hologram has no successor though lol

[serene stone]

Basically ice bomb except it gradually grows tendrils will stun more enemies over time, and it has a way shorter cool down

[fierce lynx]

Each piece of equipment can become useful. If you find them not to be initally then you can make them useful to you through upgrades. If the grenades don't fit your playstyle then there's a token upgrade that makes them stagger demons near the explosion. If the ice bomb doesn't fit your playstyle then get the previously mentioned health upgrade, because maybe you want to make sure your health is always high, in which case there's a sentinel crystal upgrade that makes it so if you're at full health, health drops and healing items will fuel your blood punch. And there's one that does this for armor too.
The flame belch has upgrades for reload time, how much armor it has enemies drop, AND how long enemies remain on fire from it

I... need to go outside

And touch grass and look at other people. I'm gonna do that now

[past cliff]

everything in eternal can be useful, it's more just about how it aids your playstyle. nothing is truly useless

[serene stone]

Hologram is extremely good. It tricks the AI quite well if they don't see you pull it out right in front of them.

Siphon grenade is also incredible.

The only bad one was frags.

[lyric lodge]

Hologram reminds me of the codm br operator skill

[lyric lodge]

Ice bomb is superbly useful for stopping any high dmg enemies and giving you a window to attack or escape. A frag may seem like just a little extra dmg on the surface but its faltering can actually help you charge a dblade and many other things. Flame belch falters too, but of course youd just use it for armour.

[young mango]

flame belch only falters fodder i think

[round valve]

only zombies

nothing else

[serene stone]

It reminds me of Halo 4 because of the hologram armor ability from that game lol

Wait no, I think hologram is from Halo: Reach, but it returned in Halo 4.

[serene stone]

Just checked, yeah it's from Reach.

[vagrant owl]

ey guys how does ultra nightmare work? if you die do you lose ALL PROGRESS including all levels you have completed or do you just repeat the mission you are doing again?

[serene stone]

Restart the whole game if you die

[vagrant owl]

damnnn i feel bad for the speedrunners

what changes between ultra nightmare and nightmare?

only perma death?

[serene stone]

Yes.

[round valve]

no i pretty sure you only have to restart mission

[round valve]

yep

[vagrant owl]

i mean ..

what's sup danger

🔥

[serene stone]

You restart from the beginning

[round valve]

for real dont fear it let it fear you

[vagrant owl]

i fear un speedrunners

[round valve]

ya beginning of the mission

i played it and died like 30 times on cultist base

[round valve]

The Only Thing They Fear Is You

[young mango]

I’ve not done a “speedrun” of main campaign UN, but I’ve done it with TAG2 UN, with the campaign playthroughs just being all in one sitting

[round valve]

any difficulty of speedrun is hard the glitches are hard and you need to kill the demons realy fast

[serene stone]

How TF

[round valve]

its hard bro

[young mango]

yea UN isn’t too appealing of a category for me, it’s just speedrunning without the ability to load checkpoints

[round valve]

have you done it

[serene stone]

No I mean. How are you only restarting Cultist Base

[round valve]

no i am saying it is hard even early game

cultist base is mission 2

[serene stone]

You said every time you died it made you restart only Cultist Base, right?

[round valve]

hell on earth was hard and i died twice

[round valve]

yeah restart the level

[serene stone]

I think your Ultra Nightmare is glitched then

[round valve]

idk

maybe

[lyric lodge]

Theyve done it enough times they dont care anymore bro 😭

[lyric lodge]

Are you like playing a master level

[lyric lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/whatsapp-whatappdanger-whats-app-gif-13375747104457133595

[round valve]

no

normal UN new game

[lyric lodge]

Bros tweaking

[round valve]

thats a wild blame

when i die on UN on level 1 i be like

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-doomguy-doom-this-pointing-up-gif-15964499

[dull marten]

Neither do I. The slayer gates were the best part of Campaign.

[serene stone]

Indeed. Also the most aesthetically pleasing

[dull marten]

Fr

The purple gate is so clean

[serene stone]

Especially the Cultist Base and Mars Core one. I love the golden sky

[dull marten]

I never appreciated that

All the more reason to replay the Campaign on higher difficulty lol

[serene stone]

I meant the arenas where you fight in the Slayer Gates are the most aesthetically pleasing

[dull marten]

They are for sure

[serene stone]

UAC Atlantica Slayer Gate put you in a really cool hazy forest

[dull marten]

They look really nice and have good pathing

[serene stone]

Yeah. Imagine what a Blood Swamps Slayer Gate would have looked like

[lyric lodge]

Because like, the master levels themselves is kind of the slayer gate

[dull marten]

Oh from Doom 2016

That would be sick

The sky kind of reminds of of Urdak

(Except Urdak had a lot more details/a nebula look)

Oh it's from The Ancient Gods? Huh

Not 2016 lol

[lyric lodge]

I love the trees in the holt

[ebon jacinth]

i did it. i finish the "Super Gore Nest" in Nightmare without crashing.
Its true, you had to finished without dying.

[serene stone]

Sure, but Slayer Gates being blocked off still doesn't make sense to me.

Especially since they could do a Master Level version/remix of the Slayer Gate

[ebon jacinth]

hardcore.

[serene stone]

It's optional content so it wouldn't hurt anything to leave it there.

[royal arch]

like tyrants or archviles or barons?

[azure oriole]

All Superheavy demons.

Barons, Tyrants, Archvilles, Doom hunters, Marauders.

[royal arch]

ofc barons

[rose thistle]

chat, best approach for the mecha zombie smoke room in SGN ML?

[azure oriole]

It's good they added it. It's far more fun to bully them with the chaingun shield.

[empty basin]

Charge up a Destroyer Blade as the smoke comes in -> Fire to the center of the room to clear the Spectre Whiplashes

[rose thistle]

oh nah I'm fine with those guys
good tip but more like, how do I quickly clear the zombies lol

[round valve]

bfg

rip and tear

[empty basin]

just use 1 Dblade charge

like the 33% charge thing that you get from the mastery

[rose thistle]

I don't think that hits them all

[lyric lodge]

Find the right spot

I'd say a full dblade in around the middle should get good hits or just reference a speedrunner

[austere bronze]

I usually either pb their head or sticky bomb spam

[austere bronze]

just played cultist base ML for the first time, I honestly liked it despite the lack of a really hard difficulty

one thing I will say tho is that there was a lack of variety in the demons

[lyric lodge]

Tyrants everywhere

[austere bronze]

yeah but way more pain elementals

got pretty tired of them

[burnt herald]

I have completed the game in the Nightmare difficulty.
I killed the IOS when I had 3 stacks on a Crucible.
Now when Im trying to master SGN it resets me back to one charge. Is there a way to fill it up to 3 charges at the start somehow?

[frail flicker]

Hey all
Is ultra-violence a good difficulty to start with?

[opaque juniper]

Yeah

[austere bronze]

Can definetely be if you have som kind of experience with similar games or FPS games in general

[frail flicker]

Because that's what I've been playing so far (I've never played Doom before)

[opaque juniper]

I did that

[frail flicker]

Alright, thanks!

[opaque juniper]

I started with doom 2016 and then got eternal and played ultra violence on that

[frail flicker]

🤝

[austere bronze]

I started with doom eternal and played I'm too young to die first

[frail flicker]

Eternal is my first ever Doom game

[opaque juniper]

And I spent a lot of time playing doom eternal it’s a great game enjoy!!

[frail flicker]

That's fair

[opaque juniper]

Yeah to be fair actually might want to go down to hurt me plenty I’m not too sure

[frail flicker]

Thanks!! I've played a good chunk of the game so far, I'm mostly asking because that's what I chose when I started and my friends kept telling me it was a bad idea for my first time

[austere bronze]

I can comfortably say I'm a little bit better now🙃

[frail flicker]

It's all about practice, keep it up 💪

[austere bronze]

Where in the game are you?

[opaque juniper]

Yeah I hope you enjoy the game bro it’s really good

[frail flicker]

Fortress of doom
Might be a tad bit too late to ask about the difficulty setting now that I think about it 💀

[austere bronze]

Ah, fortress of doom, that's a pretty hard but fun level IMO

[frail flicker]

Looking forward to it then 🔥

[austere bronze]

If you're that far into the game you can probably feel for yourself what is a good difficulty

[frail flicker]

True- I just thought it'd be better to ask for opinions

Also, it's asking me to do everything I need to do before starting the mission
Are there any important locations within the ship that I should spend my sentinel batteries on before I play the mission?

[burnt herald]

all upgrades, unmaykr

[austere bronze]

The best things to spend them on are the sentinel crystals

[austere bronze]

You get the unmaykr from completing all slayer gates, and it's a pretty meh weapon

[burnt herald]

its a good weapon, especially in TAG

you are just used to bfg but unmaykr is better in every way

[austere bronze]

No, better to use the BFG, also basically every enemy has a resistance towards it

[frail flicker]

I don't think I've completed all slayer gates

[austere bronze]

Even when the base damage is bad

[burnt herald]

?

[austere bronze]

It only deals 200 damage per bullet, it fires 3 bullets but the spread is insanely bad and almost every enemy has a resistance towards it

[frail flicker]

I don't think I'll go through past missions and beat the slayer gates I missed tbh, sounds like lots of work I can do later while I look for secrets I missed

[burnt herald]

it fires 7 bullets in a great spread allowing you to kill more than 1 enemy with it

the resistance is nonexistent.

you can kill a tyrant with unmaykr in like 20 bfg ammo. You cant do the same with BFG

[austere bronze]

it fires 3 bullets...

[burnt herald]

no

[austere bronze]

and a large spread isn't good

[austere bronze]

I literally just went into the game to test this, want to see a video?

[burnt herald]

ah, it shoots 3 at the front and 3 at the sides

thats why it looks like it shoots 7, nvm

[austere bronze]

?

[burnt herald]

when you fire it constantly it shoots 3 bullets at the front and 3 at the sides

when you fire it one by one it will always shoot 3 bullets at the front

[austere bronze]

it will always only fire 3 bullets

those 3 bullets together will only deal a little bit more damage than a precision bolt will...

[burnt herald]

no.

go into exultia level and shoot some rounds with the unmaykr. You will see more than 3 shots

[austere bronze]

it will always only fire 3 shots but when those shots are far away, which they become when you fire for a while they appear to be side by side

[burnt herald]

they do not appear. It shoots more

3 at the front and the next at its sides

[austere bronze]

check #videos

[burnt herald]

I see, I got a notification

[austere bronze]

@burnt herald can't send another video rn but I did that and nothing changed

[burnt herald]

let me run obs then

[austere bronze]

you are wrong, and the unmaykr is a pretty mid weapon

[burnt herald]

it really isnt

[austere bronze]

you said the unmaykr can kill a tyrant in less shots than the BFG, that is true, but you forget that the BFG damages almost every enemy in the arena

[burnt herald]

that is true but you forget that you can be selective and get out from the arena with more bfg ammo while killing everything

[austere bronze]

no, not if you only use the unmaykr

and just doing normal quick swapps deal about the same damage as unmaykr

[burnt herald]

not really

take a look at #videos again

[austere bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt1JmkecNE0 every pb shot deals 400 damage and every rocket shot deals 900, assuming you hit every unmaykr shot which isn't possible at even mid range youi only deal 600 damage

[burnt herald]

which isn't possible at even mid range
skill issue

[austere bronze]

my guy, it still only fires 3 shots

[burnt herald]

I corrected myself already

you said it shoots 3 at the front only at it appears to be shooting at the sides.
That is untrue as seen in the video

[austere bronze]

yeah, so we agree it only fires 3 shots?

[burnt herald]

yes, we agree it only fires 3 shots

[austere bronze]

alright, good

[burnt herald]

still it isnt a meh weapon imo. Its a pretty good weapon. Not really useful for the Eternal's campaign but for TAG and master levels its a must

[austere bronze]

nah

normal quick swapping deals almost the same damage since almost all super heavys have a resistance towards unmaykr

[burnt herald]

where did you get that from?

[austere bronze]

hmm, maybe it was mostly bosses that has a resistance towards it, but I do think many enemies has a resistance

anyways, still pretty mid weapon because it uses up 1/3 of the ammo just to kill 1 tyrant

And it's ammo pickups are rare and only gives back half

[burnt herald]

still, where did you get that from?

[burnt herald]

I doubt you will waste 30 bfg ammo with BFG for TAG arenas

its just not worth it

[empty basin]

The only common enemy I can think of having resistance to Unmaykr shots are Marauders

[austere bronze]

What would you use it on if not arenas?

[austere bronze]

Huh, then it was mostly bosses

[austere bronze]

Hugo Martin yesterady when I met him, 100% real

[empty basin]

I don't think any other non-boss demon has it, unless you count Maykr Drones' universal damage resistance to bodyshots

[burnt herald]

I mean, its too costly to use. You'd have to waste 2 bfgs on the first arena

[burnt herald]

isnt the unmayker particularly efficient against marauders?

[empty basin]

nah it's pretty bad

[burnt herald]

why? (not counting the shield)

[empty basin]

they have 65% damage resistance towards it

meanwhile such resistance doesn't exist for the BFG, so you can just stagger him and them pop a direct BFG shot

[burnt herald]

where did you get these stats from?

[empty basin]

The game files (I'm a modder) but also this spreadsheet #doom-eternal message

[burnt herald]

thanks

[empty basin]

Marauders have 5000 health while a BFG shot deals 6000 damage total, so it kills him instantly assuming he's in his stagger window

[burnt herald]

nvm

[empty basin]

In context of Marauders, when people say stagger it usually means when he's stunned from shooting at his green flash

Sorry for not being clear

[burnt herald]

yeah I thought you were talking bout the glory kill. My bad

btw what the 🅥 icon mean in the context of that document? Resistance?

[empty basin]

It means the values only applies to that version, and beyond if there's a plus sign

[burnt herald]

hmm, okay

[austere bronze]

You only use the BFG on tough waves

The unmaykr is way more costly

[burnt herald]

no it isnt

I came out from the whole level 1 killing every baron and tyrant with unmaykr and didnt run out of ammo. same goes for other levels

[young mango]

level 1 of what, TAG1? the final arena alone has two tyrants and two barons iirc, which unless you also did damage with external means that arena alone would take 57 unmaykr meaning even picking up the BFG cell, you’d be ending the level with 33 ammo for it

[burnt herald]

level 1 has overall 8 barons and 5 tyrants iirc so yeah.
You have to combine unmaykr with something otherwise there is no point to it. Just like using SSG for every encounter isnt the best idea.
You cant do the same for BFG either as 2 shots are not enough for them either

[young mango]

actually with enough travel, 2 shots IS enough for them granted they spawn all at once

[burnt herald]

but only in one arena and not the whole level

[austere bronze]

The BFG is used as a weapon to clear a wave you're really struggling on, so if you don't struggle on anything the BFG isn't needed

The unmaykr just kills enemies a bit quicker than regular quick swapping and it's very limited in the amount of enemies it can kilk

[burnt herald]

limited in what way?

[austere bronze]

You can't kill many demons with it

Runs out of ammo too quick

Assuming you have full ammo you can kill 3 tyrants and almost 1 baron with it

[empty basin]

It's not really about that, it's about whether or not the weapon is even worth using

[burnt herald]

thats still almost 4 super heavy units.
Direct BFG shot wont kill a tyrant. You have to let it fly for a while

[empty basin]

Because using it means you're cutting through your BFG shot, and really a BFG is mostly used as a panic crowd control weapon

[burnt herald]

yes

[austere bronze]

Who the hell shoots BFG directly at a tyrant

[burnt herald]

game journalists 😆

no wait, they dont even know what bfg is

[austere bronze]

Damn, ofc

[empty basin]

"Oh man this encounter is getting too hot right now, gotta get some breathing room" is the situation where most people use the BFG on

[burnt herald]

true

[empty basin]

But for the Unmaykr it's kind of like, yeah you can kill a Tyrant or Baron with it, but you know what can also do that? Your other weapons

[austere bronze]

Yeah, or when you know you will die on a specific wave

It basically clears an entire wave

[empty basin]

You have to take into consideration not just the damage it deals, but also the ergonomics of using the weapon in the first place while taking into account your entire arsenal

Like sure if the BFG doesn't exist, then the Unmaykr would be good, at least in a better position than it is right now

[proper wing]

Ok so just found potential for my 4th weapon mod, do I choose micro missiles, heat blast or microwave beam

[empty basin]

But the BFG does exist, and it's much more universal in terms of usage compared to the Unmaykr

[burnt herald]

heat blast is very good in the beginning. Micro seems, meh. Its good but for the stun

[proper wing]

Microwave beam meanwhile?

[empty basin]

It's not good

Just pick Heat Blast, it gives you free extra damage just from you using the Plasma Rifle

[slow sigil]

It's not great for the stun, you're better of doing damage

Esp considering damage stuns too

[burnt herald]

I mean to stun for a sec to kill the demon fast with whatever else you have

its better to balista him than to beam it to death

[proper wing]

So micro missiles and microwave beam both shouldn’t be prioritized, and I should get heat blast, aight

[empty basin]

yeah

[burnt herald]

precision bolt is just so much better than micro

heat blast is very good if you dont do UN runs.
If you do its still very good but beam can sometimes save your ass

[slow sigil]

Then kill them instead of stunning them

A death enemy is under the strongest stun you can find

[burnt herald]

you sound like you've never used grenades to stagger enemies

[slow sigil]

Using grenades can falter multiple enemies and doesn't take away from your weapon switching

[burnt herald]

in a panic situations you do everything you can to survive

including weapon switching which shouldnt be a problem if you already do pb+rocket combo

[austere bronze]

in a panic situation I either meathook or chaingun shield

[burnt herald]

you're just finding excuses now. Any hard falter is a good falter

[empty basin]

It does have its uses, but I wouldn't call it good

It's more niche than anything else

[austere bronze]

I have microwave beam equipped but the only times I use it are at the end of an encounter for fun

[serene stone]

Classic Doomers

[slow sigil]

if you're truly in a panic situation you got to have something better then hard faltering 1 enemy whilst only being able to exploit half of it cause you have to switch weapons

[proper wing]

What attachment should I upgrade rn? I’ve got sticky bombs with bigger boom, full auto, precision bolt and heat blast (and should I even upgrade any of them?)

[burnt herald]

bigger boom should be better than quick rack.
For pb nothing is good. Only a mastery. Reload speed is insignificant since you'd just bring it up to shoot and switch to another weapon. The same goes for mobility
quick fire for heat blast is useful but wouldnt die for it
And full auto for shotgun isnt that great for the base game

I'd save up your tokens on ssg (super shotgun) or lock-on burst for rocket launcher. Its a lifesaver

[azure forum]

Nah heat blast is trash. Helps in 1 level then it is not useful once you go past cultist base

[burnt herald]

its useful in every encounter with plasma shields which is every 5 seconds

sad that modswapping from blast to beam resets your stacks on the blast ;c

[azure forum]

SSG? Rockets? Even dblade? No need to ever use heat blast

[burnt herald]

ssg and rockets drain ammo very quickly

full charged heat blast does wonders

[azure forum]

You need to charge it first which uses ammo as well and probably even more since it is slow. If you like heat blast thats fine nothing wrong with that but it is bad at the end

[burnt herald]

there are better weapons, yes. But from those 2 mods heat blast is better in the end than micro.
I hardly use micro, even when I do I do that only for spirits or to stun enemies but thats all

[austere bronze]

I use mwb to kill tyrants💯

Only takes about 10 minutes

[slow sigil]

still faster then fa!

[austere bronze]

Heh, true

The fact that mayo almost convinced me to use fa is embarassing

[serene stone]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-cry-tyler-mayonnaise-roxeris-gif-25150060

Mfw I took advice from a jar of mayonnaise

[lyric lodge]

never have panic situations

[rich kiln]

can i still get unicron slayer?

[lyric lodge]

whats mwb

[lyric lodge]

You have to buy it

[young mango]

Microwave beam

[vagrant owl]

can somoene tell me what changes on nightmare difficulty?