doom-eternal

[young mango]

“I hate telling other people how to play”
“yo this ruleset i made forces you to play exactly how I play”
what was he cooking?

I’m fairly good at this game but I think my concept of balancing in this game is totally busted as a result, I could make a better ruleset in my opinion, but better doesn’t mean good

[jolly kernel]

he even made another version of Brawler called Brawler+ which bans the super shotgun 💀

[jolly kernel]

Mayo has weird opinions on Eternal’s game design
he often says he likes getting absolutely destroyed

[young mango]

why

the whole point of the game is to take as little damage as possible

[jolly kernel]

in his TAG 1 review he said “I got my ass kicked for half an hour in the final boss fight and it felt good”

wtf?

[young mango]

remember when mayo posted a UN playthrough as one of his final pieces of content and it was slower than his “first ever UN clear” video?

Not saying he has to be a speedrunner or anything, I’d say the upper limit for campaign without skips and major glitches is like sub 3 hours at best, I just genuinely don’t know how 2 years later he managed to get slower

[jolly kernel]

I just don’t get how Mayo likes using absolutely useless weapon mods

remote detonation rockets, micro missiles, both plasma rifle mods and full auto

[young mango]

I mean i get wanting to restrict your arsenal for a harder time but I feel like I’d resort to just using less weapons overall first than resort to changing my preference because of it

[jolly kernel]

using full auto on heavily damaged heavies and super heavies to get a lot of shells seems to be… an interesting strat?

[young mango]

adding more things to the gameplay loop to make it seem more complicated than it really is

[lyric goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/doom2-doom-archvile-gif-23324214

really Goodyear

[young mango]

the truth is if you need a finisher to negate the ammo you’re going to lose from it, or need the ammo back on one specific weapon in particular, you’ve already failed at ammo conservation

[empty basin]

I think you're looking at it the wrong way, he's just saying that he likes the way the game handles the difficulty jump from the base game and TAG1

I think it's fine to advertise the less commonly-used weapon mods and apart from his recommendation of Remote Detonation, I think it's all okay because I'm pretty sure most players would try it out and then drop it as they see that it's too much effort for very little gain

But for those who find it fun, it's nice to have some sort of validation form someone who has a following

[young mango]

Man I’m trying to write my own ruleset out of compensation for mayos and I’m starting to realize that the majority of the games Arsenal is NOT worth nerfing

I’d say everything is mostly quality of life upgrades up until Lock on, which I personally would just ban outright

[tame topaz]

covered in mayo

[lyric lodge]

over the mayo

[azure oriole]

To be fair most fights contain infinitely respawning fodder and you have a chainsaw

[rose thistle]

idk a lot of the more shit weapon mods are pretty cool. A ruleset where you're forced to use them seems fair enough especially considering like, you could just not choose to play on that ruleset.

[lyric lodge]

Is that technically muricaneagle's limitations in that unreclaimed earth UN run? Idk the restrictions seemed pretty reasonable

[austere bronze]

Not really sure what you guys are talking about but his limitations were, no bfg, hammer, microwave beam, lob except for marauders, chaingun shield and no destroying buff totems until necessary for progression

[lyric lodge]

They were talking about mayo's brawler mode restrictions and how ass it wad

[austere bronze]

Ah

[unborn ivy]

monke

[untold root]

Yes monke

[unborn ivy]

return to monke

[untold root]

to

[unborn ivy]

doom monke

[untold root]

Ninja monke

I love how this went from doom eternal related to just monke

[unborn ivy]

yeses

[untold root]

Humans are interesting creatures when it comes to discord

[unborn ivy]

agreed

we should study them more

[untold root]

Whenever your on discord you can never escape someone doing something weird

You also can't escape doing it to

[unborn ivy]

yes such simple creatures

[untold root]

Especially the male ones

[unborn ivy]

the male side is very interesting especially he gamers

the

[untold root]

I love how we're talking about humans like we're a completely different species

[unborn ivy]

we are two different species we are sigma monke

the last of our intelligent species

[untold root]

Sure

[unborn ivy]

it was a joke just in case

[azure oriole]

is like you can’t just shoot a hole into the surface of mars
Then you see [Objective: Shoot a hole in mars]

And that’s just so funny

Like he’s saying you can’t do that the game is like update objective to shoot a hole in mars

[azure oriole]

8 years ;-;

it is technically older graphics

[rose thistle]

DE is older graphics compared to uhh
whatever game released last week ig

[azure oriole]

really i just meant the slightly different HUD will be confusing for my tiny brain

💀

[muted harness]

u can completely remove HUD

I prefer that sometimes

[rose thistle]

@young mango @austere bronze I made a new version of the mod if you're interested
#eternal-modding message

[surreal pebble]

Wood eternal, saw and chop

[austere bronze]

I'll try it out either today or tomorrow

[rose thistle]

@young mango rq do you know how the flame belch works? like how much armour does it really drop?

[young mango]

about 20 per enemy when you kill them, could be different if it you take the armor that falls off them naturally without dealing damage

[rose thistle]

does the amount they drop over time subtract from what they drop when they're killed? is there a cap?

[young mango]

I am fairly confident the amount they drop subtracts from what they give when killed yes

[rose thistle]

Do you know if it's linear? Because looking at the declarations it would seem that it's just if you kill them they drop 20 total, as the end-all. But I swear I've gotten like 22 from them before and stuff

These files confuse me because they have "drop all remaining on death" set to true... but I don
oh there it is

hmmmmm

ok if I'm reading this right
the DOT drops are tied to the cap, so the amount they drop on death will decrease linearly as they drop over time
BUT drops spawned from attacking them aren't tied to this cap, so if you smack em a bunch you can get extra
that would explain the 22 I got, 20 from the kill plus 2 from the attack that killed them

here's something neat
the SSG give you an extra 2 drops when you attack something on fire with it
like specifically defined for the flame belch, separate from the Meathook
and the BFG and Unmaykr drop 9 extra packs

actually if I'm reading this right the Unmaykr should just shit out armour over you if you use it with flame belch
9 extra drops per ht and it doesn't have the parameter to limit it per shot, meaning you could get 9 for each of the three projectiles

tho ig armour isn't really in short supply to begin with lol

[pearl viper]

I think my fingers are starting to remember where the weapons are on my keyboard. Changing and getting used to new keybindings is more painful than I thought it was going to be.

I think my main problem is, while I know how to quick scope and I know the rhythm of switching weapons, all that had completely gone out the window because I notice I'll constantly switch to the heavy cannon and go to snipe and nothing happens and by the time I realize the weapon didn't fire, I'm already witching to rockets or something else.

Also, I had to pop out my tilde key because I use tab to switch ice bomb and grenades and I hit it all the time. I think that was the absolute worse binding for the console and it's gotten me killed many, many times and I really want to just put it on like + at the other end of the keyboard because I'm salty at it.

[lyric lodge]

Meathooking is actually weirdly hard to use in combat lmao

I'll def have to use it more often but its kinda fun so far despite the fact that ive been dying more but i am a day rusty so

clearly the game's more fun when i pull a bunch of random shit on a cybrmancubus instead of bping it

[lyric lodge]

Oh this is fun man

A ML im familiar with is perfect practice

[strange gale]

dealing 6000 damage manually 🛌 💤

[lyric lodge]

Whew i just beat SGN ML nightmare for the 2nd time and i was doing a lil better but kinda forgot to meathook jump cuz everything was so intense lmao

I did die less than my first time but i still used the crucible so eh not too big of an improvement

Least i completed the final arena first try tho

[austere bronze]

When did you need the crucible?

[lyric lodge]

The double tyrant acid area(i didnt need it in the first completion but did it here because i didnt feel like doing allat) and the final arena on two archviles

Im still confused how i kill 3 archviles with low ice bomb counts and their high dmg output

I really need to put in some meathook work damn

[austere bronze]

if you did it first try, did you really need the crucible for the archviles?

[austere bronze]

frag grenade and then slob works quite well, or you can wait until they start summoning too

[lyric lodge]

I feel like i only did the final arena first try because i crucibled the archviles tbh 😅

[lyric lodge]

Ight, good to know. My slob has been getting a lil better but its kinda hard for me to do it while moving

[austere bronze]

yea but if you got it first try while using crucible maybe you would have gotten it in like 7 tries without

[lyric lodge]

hm yes maybe

[austere bronze]

and then you could say you did SGN on nightmare without super weapons

does the hammer count as a super weapon?

[lyric lodge]

but tbh i was fucking up in that lava arena with an archvile on the smallest platform so i gave up tryna make myself lose even more of my sanity with the final arena lmao

[lyric lodge]

wellllll i always use the bfg when the buff totem spawns cuz i dont lose any ammo when theres a bfg right next to it so

[austere bronze]

that arena is honestly so annoying

[lyric lodge]

genuinely like the archvile has so much hp and i tried lobing it twice before going onto the platform but he just teleports

[austere bronze]

for me it aint even that fun, just pure annoying while the last arena is fun

[austere bronze]

ye that's why you need to lob directly after a frag grenade, ice grenade or while he's summoning demons

[lyric lodge]

Real stuff, bombing the tyrants with pb rocket while bouncing on the jump pad in the center was an interesting experience for sure

[austere bronze]

there's a tyrant there? I don't remember that

we are both talking about that encounter that you get teleported to, right?

[lyric lodge]

I was talking about the last arena

[austere bronze]

oh mb

[lyric lodge]

The 4 tyrants was kinda fun but i'll def have to try it without super weapons next time

[austere bronze]

yeah do that, I'll be really impressed if you manage to complete it without super weapons

[lyric lodge]

i'll def have to work my meathook skills tho, its tough on console but man its awesome adrenaline

[austere bronze]

I remember when I started using meathook, I spent a long time in that first arena of SGN ML just trying to learn to use it

[scenic mesa]

skins and what not are not cross progression right?

[austere bronze]

No idea

[austere bronze]

Can't imagine trying to learn it on console

[lyric lodge]

Its, fine. Side ways hooking is weird but i dont think i'd use it that often anyway and meathook jumping is fairly simple so

[austere bronze]

side ways hooking?

[lyric lodge]

Yeethooking but without trying to yeet i guess

[austere bronze]

when you strafe while using the meathook?

[lyric lodge]

Yeah

[austere bronze]

oh alright

I think it can be nice to use tbh but yeah, it definetely isn't a requirement

[lyric lodge]

Feels good to use it in the open platforms of doom hunter base tho, easy skips for sure unless i mess up

[austere bronze]

yeah ig

[austere bronze]

@rose thistle the newest version of the mod feels pretty good (haven't done that much testing yet) although when there is an rncounter with maykr drones it feels harder than normal nightmare

this would probably be because encounters with maykr drones are usually quite a bit harder but now the drones drop way less health

[lyric lodge]

Def not

[rose thistle]

Cross progression? They're save-agnostic if that's what you're wondering.

[rose thistle]

Interesting...

[austere bronze]

why the three dots?

[lyric lodge]

Imagine makyr drones without the 200 hp and full ammo 🤔🤔

[austere bronze]

isn't it more than 200hp?

since it also refills your blood punches

[lyric lodge]

Damn

[placid robin]

is silver rank on nightmare horde mode

[rose thistle]

Whatever they dropped, I just halved the pack count

[austere bronze]

I feel like my doom eternal skills have taken a hit by me getting sick

my quick switching feels a bit off, I can't chain pb rocket together as well as I usually can and I'm a bit slower too

[lyric lodge]

Ah illnessess hit us all

Just start a little easier i guess to get back into the pace

Maybe play a whole campaign again who knows

[austere bronze]

I just went through 12min of a not so easy encounter just to die by me shooting a rocket at myself💀

[austere bronze]

I'm playing a slaughter campaign, that's kinda the same (every encounter is super long and is PACKED with enemies)

[austere bronze]

I even managed to record my stupidity

[lyric lodge]

Not the same for me at least 😭

Man how does muricaneagle do it on controller

[austere bronze]

it is NOT the same lol

I can't get past the first encounter of exultia so I played doom hunter base instead and it was there I died after 12 min

[lyric lodge]

My weapon wheel capabilities have downgraded sm cuz i just use pb and ballista keybinds to the point where i ignore the guns that dont have keybinds 😭

[lyric lodge]

crazy

[austere bronze]

Why did you choose pb and ballista to bind?

[lyric lodge]

Its kind of the most important weapons imo(aside from ssg, chaingun, rl allat)

[austere bronze]

Not critizising just curious

[lyric lodge]

Plus meathooking to pbing makyr drones is good

Yk bad console aim and all

I meathook pb alot and top dpad is a perfect keybind for me

[rose thistle]

Just the most important weapons (aside from half the other weapons in the game)

[lyric lodge]

Yeahhh i could only fit two weapons lmao

[austere bronze]

Yeah

[rose thistle]

So you were playing modded encounters?

[austere bronze]

Yes, but I might have to take back what I said ngl

[rose thistle]

Why so?

[austere bronze]

After playing slaughter doom hunter base a bit it felt pretty good

[rose thistle]

That's good

Good is good

[austere bronze]

Agreed

[heavy elbow]

Man the early levels are hard in a weird way

[austere bronze]

Ye, they actually are

[lilac iris]

yall talking about a mod r what

[unreal flare]

The game is basically unplayable without enhanced air control

You don't have access to it before your first rune in the second level

[glossy warren]

3 weapons, limited tools, no runes

[unreal flare]

The moment I got access to that rune it felt much better to play

[austere bronze]

No

But the game is actually quite difficult in the earliest levels

Before you have your upgrades, runes and arsenal

[lilac iris]

Especially on UN

[rose thistle]

They say the hardest part of UN is the first few levels

[pearl viper]

I can't even do first level UN for 2016.

[austere bronze]

and I agree

but it still aint no joke after cultist base cuz there are so many points where you could potentially choke

[rose thistle]

You wanna maybe try the first couple levels of UN with my mod and see how it feels?

[austere bronze]

sure

[austere bronze]

I forgot to put myself in UN💀

but it shouldn't really matter

[austere bronze]

now realising how much time you're actually spending at your ship

@rose thistle I'm just about to go to cultist base and so far the mod seems very good

[azure oriole]

bro the pb rocket quickswap is so hard on controller

[halcyon remnant]

I just did Cultist base master level on UN, ik their isnt a Un mode but i went by the UN rules

Nightmare+ don’t collect extra lives

[vale pebble]

so nightmare without dying basically

[azure oriole]

cause you have to press L2 and R2 and then R1 and then R2 then L1 again and L2-R2

[austere bronze]

Nice! Well done!

[halcyon remnant]

Yeah and no extras

[obtuse hawk]

Hello i have a little problem i did the second mission and idk what to do next

[azure oriole]

wydm

[obtuse hawk]

Like the next mission doesnt show up

And idk what to do

[untold root]

I've beat the game and have not had that happen so I think your game broke

[azure oriole]

try returning to the menu and continuing the campaign?

[obtuse hawk]

done that and repeated mission before

Maybe im jsut stupid and idk where to go cus nothin is on objectives

[azure oriole]

have you beat the game before

[obtuse hawk]

Nope, bought it 2 days ago on my bd

[azure oriole]

oh ok

[obtuse hawk]

Or ill just do screenshot

Nvm i cant send here

[azure oriole]

damn

[untold root]

Either your just don't know what your doing or you have to restart the campaign its the only thing I can think of just be glad it's only the second level

[azure oriole]

post it in #screenshots

[obtuse hawk]

Alright

[rose thistle]

@obtuse hawk you probably need to grab a new item or something
Ice bomb or maybe do demon prison or something

[azure oriole]

@obtuse hawk did you beat the level and the game is broken or you just can't figure out how to beat it

[obtuse hawk]

i did do these

[azure oriole]

o

[obtuse hawk]

prob this

sent screenshot btw

[azure oriole]

ok

theres probably something you have to do in the ship

[obtuse hawk]

Idk what tho

[azure oriole]

what does the objective say

[austere bronze]

Just go forward and press the big ball maybe?

[obtuse hawk]

Nothing

[azure oriole]

oh yeah

that opens the portal if youve already finished the prison/ice bomb

[obtuse hawk]

welp look at #screenshots

[azure oriole]

lets chat here cause theres a 1 minute cooldown for me in screenshots

[obtuse hawk]

Alright

[azure oriole]

but yeah i think you need the praetor point

[rose thistle]

It should be towards the back

[obtuse hawk]

Like where is the medal

When im at the all just run back?

[storm field]

objective marker shows where there is

[rose thistle]

You might need to go down a floor, but just look around

[obtuse hawk]

Alright if i wont find it ill send message

[rose thistle]

You're looking for like a ghost dude

[obtuse hawk]

?

i can always do the prison again

[rose thistle]

No like
You're looking for a dude who is a ghost

That's what he looks like

[obtuse hawk]

I seen him in a cage but cannot unlock it

[rose thistle]

There should be one that's not in a cage. Look on a different floor.

[obtuse hawk]

Alr

[rose thistle]

Should be centred with the ship, straight line from the ball

[obtuse hawk]

Same lvl as the ball?

[storm field]

Just look at the map

[magic spruce]

Recently played Doom Eternal on playstation and am on Doom Hunter Base 😎

[obtuse hawk]

The every token dude is closed

[untold root]

The coin guy your looking for is marked

[obtuse hawk]

For me he aint

[untold root]

Huh

[obtuse hawk]

Wait imma do SS of map and send it to #screenshots

sent

@storm field Where is it im blind

[rose thistle]

In front of the cage with the classic marine outfit

[obtuse hawk]

i been tehre]

there*

[storm field]

Load checkpoint

[austere bronze]

Btw when I was playing UN (or at least I thought I was) your mod felt really balanced

[rose thistle]

Same as vanilla? That's good

[obtuse hawk]

Alr btw it tps me to when i crossed portal after meeting traitor

[rose thistle]

Wanna try some late campaign levels and see if it scales to easier or harder?

[rose thistle]

In the ship or?

[obtuse hawk]

ye ship

[austere bronze]

Sure, I'll do it soon

[rose thistle]

You have the objectives for ice bomb and demon prison again?

[obtuse hawk]

No i done these

[rose thistle]

Hmm

[obtuse hawk]

RN IM IN FRONT OF CLASSIC DOOM ARMOR CAGE

caps

[rose thistle]

my friends, this is very disturbing and controversial

ok ngl maybe you should just restart the file lol
you only did the first two levels anyway, and they should go by a lot faster your second time

[obtuse hawk]

alr so what create new game?

[storm field]

Look videos chat

[obtuse hawk]

i saw

[storm field]

come to behind unmaykr and send screenshot

[obtuse hawk]

?

[storm field]

Get behind unmaykr(locked weapon) send screenshot

[obtuse hawk]

Alr

sent

[storm field]

No you are in front of unmaykr(locked weapon) get behind unmaykr

[obtuse hawk]

ahh

This one in yellow forcefield?

yep i am there what now

@storm field look at my ss im at that location

[lilac iris]

How should I change my playstyle for UN?

like having a bigger distance between me and my enemies or just sniping from beyond the objective

[austere bronze]

Idk, don't die?

But having good space between you and your enemies seems wise

[lilac iris]

Mhm

[opaque current]

Hey wanted to ask, I am playing ancient gods part 1, and the slayer destroyed the father's orb, why so?

I saw hayden smiling but was he going to use the orb for himself

[azure oriole]

There is not a confirmed reason, but many can be inferred.

• The Father would have tried to stop the Slayer from reviving Davoth to kill him.
• The Father, per TAG's lore, was a coward who allowed Davoth to live, jumpstarting the events of the series.
• The Father being revived could have allowed the Maykrs to rebuild society, something that would be objectively awful.

[rose thistle]

I mean the Maykrs might not have been that awful if the Father was back, you said yourself they only started to suck once he went orb

[rose thistle]

the reason is the DLC was rushed and the writing suffered as a result

[slow sigil]

tag1 wasn't that rushed overall. Still a bit but it doesn't show it hugely

[opaque current]

Thanks 👍

[vagrant owl]

one question guys

So I started playing Eternal after 2016, and I really don't know what the Doomguy's objective is. Could someone tell me without spoilers?

[untold root]

Kill hell

[empty basin]

Stopping the demonic invasion on earth

[untold root]

Same thing

[slow sigil]

it'll be explained by vega

[vagrant owl]

in the early game or maybe mid game? but ty tho

[slow sigil]

first few minutes

[azure oriole]

The Earth has been invaded for the last 13 years. Doomguy intends to stop it by killing the three Hell Priests that are enabling the invasion.

[azure oriole]

They might have. No doubt, though, that Doomguy would assume the worst.

[slow sigil]

which time calculation was used again
cause iirc there where like, 3

[azure oriole]

The most heavily-supported one is Elena Richardson's date of 2163- 2016 happens in 2149 or 2150, I forget which.

The other two dates are "a few months after 2016," given by the marketing, and a proposed date is 25 years after if you take the 25th Anniversary ARC banner as fact.

[slow sigil]

yeah those calcs it where
i only remembered a vague "short timeframe" and decade+ from the banners but forgot the specifics cause they are so contrived

[vagrant owl]

how long after 2016 does Eternal take place? and ty for that

[azure oriole]

13-14 years.

2016 is in 2149 I think.
Eternal is in 2163.

[vagrant owl]

dayum doom guy changed so much

ty for the lore information

and is it explained why VEGA is back? and why hes aboard a ship or whatever it is that looks cool?

[slow sigil]

in 2016 he was backed up before destruction by dg

[vagrant owl]

yeah and then he got cacalet into the ship?

hes back and thats cool

[slow sigil]

just put into the USB port yeah

[vagrant owl]

w vega

Yeah i really might read at least almost everything about Doom's lore
its very interesting

[azure oriole]

The Fortress is his - he's had it since before 2016. It is not explained how he got it back.

[vagrant owl]

oooo

[azure oriole]

@azure oriole on Urdak when doomguy plugged Vega into the console i think he said something like "Am I the Father, Dr. Hayden?"

what did that mean

[azure oriole]

Have you played The Ancient Gods?

no

That will explain it.
Spoiler: ||VEGA is the Father, or more specifically a copy of his consciousness that lost its memory.||

how did they make it into an ai

[azure oriole]

The Father is, itself, an AI.

He always was.

wasnt he from the beginning of existence

[empty basin]

Just like how on 2016, Hayden transferred his consciousness from his human body to his robotic body, the same principle can also be applied to VEGA

But ideally you should play TAG1 and 2 and read their codex entries first

[azure oriole]

TAG explains it.

[rose thistle]

haha. you'll be disappointed
or maybe you'll have fun if you go in with the right expectations. idk

[azure oriole]

Im about to go do urdak

[strange gale]

the more i play tag1, the more confident i become in the opinion that spirits just aren't worth microwaving

playing with a couple restrictions alongside no mwb and i don't feel like i need it

[azure oriole]

I mastered the chaingun but didn't get a skin

[strange gale]

the spirit buffs themselves are great, they force you to change up your tactics

but the cute little minigame the devs came up with genuinely feels like a worse option than just killing whatever the spirit's trying to possess

[rose thistle]

well it depends on the situation. Sometimes that's not feasible.

[strange gale]

i mean yeah mwb is mandatory for the samur fight

but otherwise it's really just not that relevant

[strange gale]

i can think of a single instance in tag1 where i might prefer killing a spirit, the blood swamps left path trial arena

after breaking the 2nd buff totem, a possessed baron spawns and i'm not quite sure if the other baron within that wave spawns alongside it or after the possessed baron dies

if they spawn at the same time, then i consider mwb entirely irrelevant outside of the samur fight

[austere bronze]

just replayed deltas world spear ML and I died five times, 4 of those times were from the possessed blood maykrs at the end

overall I really like the ML

it's just the second part of the escelation encounter and the last arena that I don't enjoy

[empty basin]

huh I actually found those to be the best part of the mod actually

[strange gale]

wrong

air control is a difficulty option, not a necessity

[austere bronze]

why? I just feel like all the blook maykrs start to feel like marauders almost

[strange gale]

i reeeeally don't believe you're that limited relative to what's in said levels

[austere bronze]

and in the escelation encounter I'm pretty sure you get to face possessed marauders after the possessed blood maykrs

[strange gale]

pb punchswapping becomes available as soon as level 1, multiblast/yeetblast can flat out carry your ass in level 2

and practically as soon as you get into cultist base, you gain access to pb sb quickswapping

your movement is strong as soon as the game starts, lurch hopping combined with the enemies being programmed to miss on purpose as long as you're moving makes this shit a joke

[empty basin]

hmmm idk it's been like 4 months since I completed it so I can't remember much on its encounter design, but I remember the Escalation Encounter being my favorite part of the mod since it teleports you to different arenas throughout the map which was pretty epic.

I don't remember any part of it that was too difficult to take note of, I even played it with Horde Hammer.

I think I'm also kind of above average when it comes to flick shotting Blood Maykrs so maybe that also played a part?

[austere bronze]

I remembered wrong, the mayrks aren't possessed instead there is a screecher buff totem

that makes it easier since then there are only 3 normal marauders and at the end 2 possesswed archviles

[austere bronze]

I think you're remembering wrong, it doesn't teleport you to different arenas

however I still don't like the second part since it's just 4 or 5 blood mayrks, 3 marauders after that and at the end 2 possessed archviles

[empty basin]

Oh yeah the Screecher Totems not having their supposed glow is kind of annoying

[empty basin]

Oh then I guess it's just the main fountain arena?

[austere bronze]

no arena in Delta's world spear ML teleports you around

[sharp dew]

can someone help me

im stuck and i dont know how to get to the door

nvm found it

[lyric lodge]

Fuck the TN ML bro ts is so ass i got stuck in a fucking wall in that assed fucked tight buff totem arena

Mfs wont even let me collect my fucking crucible token bro

[austere bronze]

Reload checkpoint?

[lyric lodge]

No i fucking died because i got stuck

The longer i do this the more i realise im not made for ts bro

Man fuck this game im sticking back to SGN ML

[empty basin]

Yeah the medallion room is basically the giant roadblock for the level

My general tip would just be:

1. Abuse the Chaingun Shield
2. Always be moving around the arena
3. Save Ice Bombs for the busy parts of the encounter

[lyric lodge]

I got to when the buff totem opened up twice but died to a carcass and of course got stuck in the wall

I could make it there again but of course i died 10 times to barons and kept getting stuck because i was tired of this buggy ass game

[empty basin]

You can try the level on Ultra-Violence first to get a feel of the enemy spawns

If you have an ice bomb ready, charging a Destroyer Blade shot might just be the difference maker

[lyric lodge]

Yeah uh i got jumped by carcasses and prowlers doing that

[nocturne lynx]

4. BFG the buffed Cyber Mancs.

[serene stone]

Yeah the game seems to get really really glitchy on Master Levels, probably because so much shit is happening at once so the game malfunctions. Not sure.

It's weird because TAG 1 feels a lot less glitchy than the Master Levels lol

[slow sigil]

the MLs aren't made for the new scenarios

[lyric lodge]

Yeah. TN's has janky design imo and the fact that there are so many tight arenas in the ML might play into the getting stuck factor

Heres some footage at the start of the ML. I was messing up in a few areas but it is a blind run so https://youtu.be/FcHdx4lx8d4?si=EXGp02vKmiULAW_t

Would love some critiscm because im striving to improve on console

[austere bronze]

I haven't watched much yet but maybe try to stay a bit further away from enemies

getting close is really tempting to be able to bash out a lot of damage but in the end you getting too close usually is for the demons benefit, I myself actually struggle a bit with getting too close

[lyric lodge]

Not sure if TN's a good ML for practice then if they put you in tight arenas all the time 😅

[lyric lodge]

Thanks for the note tho. Im tryna pb rocket more but its hard to get into the habit of dashing midair while shooting idk why

[austere bronze]

yeah in tight arenas it's kind of inevitable that you get close to demons

[lyric lodge]

TN ML def seems to love barons of hell tho for sure

[austere bronze]

one other thing that I noitce is that you don't seem to be that sure about what's around you, whether that's the arena itself or the demons running around, this leads to you getting cornered, getting in a position you don't want or simply being killed by enviromental hazards

but your quick switching looks nice

[lyric lodge]

Yeahhh i did NOT expect a marauder with a tyrant until well i got further down the level 😭

[lyric lodge]

Its decent, my weapon wheel skills need work tho

[austere bronze]

that part is kinda evil yeah, but very doeable as long as you have some nice movement

the marauder also spawns in with a cacodemon just to make things more annoyin

[lyric lodge]

Crazy, i got through tho with enough runnning

[lyric lodge]

I dont really ever have a plan tbh. That leads to not having a bad habit of tryna fix a dying plan but also leaves me pretty vulnerable yeah

[austere bronze]

I don't feel like a plan has too much to do with this, it's more that you need to take in what's around you and know where you are going

but having a plan can for sure hep you with not getting cornered and stuff

[lyric lodge]

This might be a sign for me to meditate and stop succumbing to pressure

[austere bronze]

tbh I feel like I've gotten into a bad habit of not having that much of a plan, I usually come in to an arena and think about what I wanna take out in what order and that's about it, I just let the rest come naturally

[austere bronze]

yeah maybe

succumbing to pressure is a good way to start playing worse

[tame flare]

3 PLAYER NEEDED URGENTLY

[austere bronze]

for what?

[glossy warren]

battlemode I assume

[austere bronze]

but there are only 3 players in battlemode and if he needs 3 more players that would be at least 4 people

[glossy warren]

🤷

[dense escarp]

I think he ment 3rd player needed

[glossy warren]

actually yea that maybe

[austere bronze]

yea that makes sense

[dense escarp]

At least thats how I read it

[austere bronze]

that's probably how he meant too

[dense escarp]

Yippie

[halcyon remnant]

Wheres the buff totem in the first forest arena in the world spear master level ?

Ive been searching for it for about 45 mins now

Found it

[halcyon remnant]

And beat it on N

[austere bronze]

Well done!

[rose thistle]

@azure oriole is there any mention of Maykr "archangels"?
the wiki describes them as

Archangels, giant sentient defensive constructs which protect Urdak.
but I don't remember anything of the sort?

[azure oriole]

IIRC these were planned Maykr enemies that were cut from the game. They resembled giant crosses.

[rose thistle]

https://doomwiki.org/w/images/thumb/a/ab/Archangel.jpg/302px-Archangel.jpg

wtf is this thing

[glossy warren]

the archangels, just dormant I suppose

[rose thistle]

some useless defensive constructs they are, couldn't even be bothered to get up for a demonic invasion 🙄

[azure oriole]

Lol I guess they ended up being used as environmental shit.

[glossy warren]

I mean it looks cool

[copper oasis]

can two people help me with the battlemode milestones? (ps4/ps5)

[rose thistle]

@austere bronze did you get around to testing the mod on later levels?

[austere bronze]

Mb I fell asleep and forgot

I can try it in like 10 min

[austere bronze]

@rose thistle I barely take any damage in the later levels so I might not be the best judge but after tweaking my gameplay a little bit to include more glory killing your mod felt similar if not exactly like normal nightmare in terms of difficulty

just watching a video on cultist base and then doing a UN run might be a pretty good idea for me since I noticed that I didn't even come close to dying on final sin

I'mma play what I normally play but with your mod just for fun

[bleak pewter]

Hi all,

I play since the start this awesome game, and my conclusion as a software developer is that the most important feature is missing : a forge mod!
When you know all enemy spawn and all the maps, the game lose a little his fun.
In example, in the Halo licence, the forge mod was so simple to use with friends, it has really made the life of the game longer, and really longer, and that only with the work of the community of players!
It was so simple for everyone to create a map with just 20 elements from a sandbox, and directly share it with all the other players.
Imagine this in Doom Eternal, it's the only way to do this game really Eternal, with an infinite possibility of fighting.

If you like the idea, please just add a 👍 to this post, and hope someone in Id Software will read it.
Because our fight is Eternal ❤️

[rose thistle]

what is a forge mod

[bleak pewter]

halopedia.org (slash) Forge

[rose thistle]

summarize it

[bleak pewter]

It's a game mode where friends can create a custom map from a sandbox map. They can add basics predefined items for create floors, bridges, or any structures they want. Players can place spawn point as well. The mod is so simple to use, that every body can create a map. At the end, the player can save the map and share it with the whole community. It was integrated in the Halo games, and it was possible to do that online with friends, and without install complex software like Unreal Engine. And it was really fun to create maps with friends for the community.

[tacit aspen]

People do custom maps, Unreclaimed Earth by idk929 for example, and if you're tired of the same spawns all over again and again, there's the Enemy Randomizer. As for playing with friends there's Battlemode, even modded Battlemode 3.0, besides that Doom Eternal is more of a single player game.
Mods obviously don't work on console though.

[halcyon remnant]

I hate Taras nabad master level

Because i almost did it on UN

I was killing the last 2 Marauders a wolf spawns out of nowhere with no Auto que then im trapped and die in 2 seconds

Only took me 3 hrs and 7 trys to get that far into it

[serene stone]

Pretty much everyone hates the Taras Nabad Master Level.

Even Sylar who's probably the best Eternal player in the world hates the Taras Nabad Master Level hahaha

[strange gale]

"hate" is a pretty strong word here

[serene stone]

Dislike I mean

I believe Super Gore Nest Master Level is the one everyone likes the most

[tacit aspen]

... Why playing it if you hate it

It's not like you're being forced to do it

[empty basin]

The World Spear it is for me

[wide trail]

I was gonna do all challenges on super gore nest master level but then monitor just gave up

I really wanted the golden shotgun but idk ancient samsung monitor didnt😭

[serene stone]

They might hate it and like it at the same time, or maybe they want the rewards

[tacit aspen]

How can you hate and like it at the same time?

Just doesn't make sense to me

[rose thistle]

you know how some people play this game called "league of legends"?

[young mango]

it’s one of my favorites, the only part of the level I don’t like is the double marauder encounter in the circle arena because there’s a shit load of fodder constantly surrounding them and hitting their shield so it’s harder than it needs to be to get good damage in

I like to use it as a proficiency test of sorts, if I can’t beat the level first try I’m rusty

[robust nacelle]

from my experience sometimes if a imp hits a marauder he'll throw his shield up and spawn the dog at you

also do you guys consider the Prowler to be doom eternals version of the nightmare imp from doom 64?

[spare willow]

wait

imagine if you could chainsaw any creature with one use if they were shining orange, would be epic

[young mango]

other than time constraints this makes logical sense, the fodder with the most health is shield soldiers/mecha zombies, 500 health, the enemy with the most stagger health is the archvile at 510, and they already had chainsaw animations for everything except superheavies and ambients

[spare willow]

yea

[midnight bolt]

Show me your chaingun energy shell

[young mango]

i love bulldozer!!!

[spring panther]

had an eternal moment where the spirit baron instantly died from a 2 meter drop

made the rest of the fight easier though

[young mango]

which arena

[spring panther]

blood swamps left trial

last arena

[spare willow]

The devs might have also wanted to make it a bit harder to get ammo in fights with alot more heavies then fodder

[spring panther]

i do believe that it could've went into a death trigger since it went from being on top of a carcass shield to slamming to the ground

[young mango]

pathing failure

[spring panther]

ah

[spare willow]

whats ur guys least favorite demon

[robust nacelle]

honestly never understood why we needed the shield soldiers as pseudo chaingunners in tag 2 the mecha zombie already filled the role of the chaingunner

[spring panther]

carcass

[spare willow]

REAL

[spring panther]

we all hate the carcass

[robust nacelle]

shrieker zombie

[spring panther]

shriekers are even worse

enemy that instantly dies to literally anything and as a consequence gives everything alive spirit resistance and buff totem damage

[robust nacelle]

my favorite gotta be the possessed Baron though

genuinely really fun to fight on nightmare

[spring panther]

me watching as a spirit possesses a tyrant for the thousandth time

[robust nacelle]

if you can try to get a spirit to possess a zombie soldier

they run so fast its hilarious

they don't even shoot they just run to go for the melee

[rose thistle]

if a spirit possesses a zombie soldier, does it become a possessed possessed soldier?

[spring panther]

i hate the possessed baron on the blood swamps left trial

imo its difficult to deal with due to the pressure that the gargoyles give you

[robust nacelle]

yeah especially when they fly up and go turret mode

[spring panther]

took me like 20 attempts to get through that specific part on nightmare

i found to just fire a bfg after bulldozing the spirit baron

bulldozer is 10/10 bug

anyway time to do trial of maligog

first try on nightmare

[strange gale]

you can force that baron to spawn without the possession buffs by fighting two entire waves of buffed enemies 🌝

more specifically, if you kill the second wave of enemies in that arena (triggered by breaking the first totem) until there's only fodder left and then break the second totem, the possessed baron spawns with the spirit inside of it but doesn't get any of the buffs

[robust nacelle]

sometimes the spirit spawns outside the baron and possesses a carcass

not 100% sure how I end up doing it but its probably a pathfinding bug

[severe spindle]

What's the best way to deal with the whiplash? I haven't been playing that long but I can't figure out the best way to kill them.

Freaking hate the whiplash.

[austere bronze]

There are lots of options so it mostly depends on your situation, but here are a few alternatives: dblade, meathook and pb ssg, pb ballista or ballista punchswap, lock on burst or you could just use ice grenade and damage them however you want

Fully charged dblade kills them and second most charged puts them in a glory kill state

[severe spindle]

Thanks, yeah I absolutely hate the whiplash. Like half my deaths are one of them or a pinkie so I try to deal with them first.

[austere bronze]

When starting out the whiplash is usually one of the most annoying enemies, but with time it becomes barely noticeable

[rose thistle]

The whiplash is a cool enemy

[severe spindle]

It's cool but I still hate it

I hate that, the carcass, and the spectre the most

[slow sigil]

Havr you played the dlc yet?

[austere bronze]

I'm gonna replay deltas UAC atlantica facility now, and I'm just remembering what I'm gonna have to face...

[severe spindle]

Not yet, I'm going through the base game and getting all the collectables and such

[slow sigil]

Tbf i never got the hefty complains about whiplashes
Maybe it's just an aiming skill issue i don't have

[severe spindle]

Going back through the base game I should say

[austere bronze]

when starting out I thought he was annoying but still pretty forgettable

[severe spindle]

I just kinda suck at fps game in general

[austere bronze]

the only enemy that annoyed me a lot was the pain elemental

for some reason I didn't use lock on burst, I didn't know that ballista deals extra damage to flying enemies and this was before I knew how to quick switch

[azure oriole]

Rip

That mod is janky as hell

[austere bronze]

it's pretty fun tbh except for some places

some places that I remember just being annoying was when there was a totem that made enemies possessed and you couldn't breaak it so you had to go through first 1 doom hunter and a tyrant then 2 dread knights then a baron of hell then 2 mancubus and finally 2 marauders and all this in a tight corridor

and one of the last encounters was reallyyy long and at the end there was an unbreakable buff totem, 3 marauders and a respawning blood maykr

[lyric lodge]

I'd say ssg ballista is better than pb considering how precise the pb shot is and how much whiplashes slither like idiots

Like if you miss with the ballista theres at least a chance to stagger them with feetballista

[lyric lodge]

Carcasses are your very wholesome friend in MLs 😁😁😁

[azure oriole]

Pb is always better, it's the universal combo tool

[lyric lodge]

not when the target is as thin as a whiplash

[azure oriole]

Aim good

[lyric lodge]

nah ah

[azure oriole]

Pb ssg kills everything else when it comes to up close, it's the best

[lyric lodge]

Until the target slithers away

[inland kite]

agent energy

fr

[austere bronze]

depends on how good your aim is

good aim pb is better bad aim ballista is better

[lyric lodge]

All that strength, all that rage, and you couldn't save this world from itself.

[inland kite]

uhhhh

But this time earth will be different.

[slow sigil]

just aim lol
pb really isn't any harder to hit then bal

[azure oriole]

It requires an extra input, so it can be a tad harder, but at the end of the day it isn't that hard anyway

[strange gale]

what you could do is ballista to falter, then pb-sb to stagger or pb-rl to kill

[slow sigil]

oh no you need to hold m2 instead of m1 while swapping the horror

[azure oriole]

No need to be aggressive

I was speaking on behalf of those who may not be used to the execution

[slow sigil]

then they can get used to it

[austere bronze]

yes but like xavier said it might be a tad bit harder

[azure oriole]

Certainly, but don't be negative towards me

[slow sigil]

i wasn't

"oh no you need to do something easy" isn't that aggresive

[azure oriole]

I don't appreciate the sarcasm

But let's move on

[slow sigil]

rip

[azure oriole]

Pb should do more damage in mp imo, much harder to land shots in mp. I understand the idea behind ballista doing more damage given it's a rail gun, but still

For Battlemode and modded multiplayer like SvS

[strange gale]

kinda wish quickswapping had a higher execution floor, tighter animation cancel windows would be a good start

[unreal flare]

I can't quickswap for the life of me

It's gonna become a problem when I tackle Nightmare

[strange gale]

i just press buttons with vaguely correct timing and shit out damage

[austere bronze]

why do you wish that?

[azure oriole]

You should try single dash combat, AKA single dashing while quickswitching

[strange gale]

because of what i just said, it gets boring

yeah i already do that

[azure oriole]

Makes your movement very unpredictable

[azure oriole]

Perfectly? Like perfect single dashing and quick swap speed?

It's the hardest thing to do in the game mechanically imo

[austere bronze]

yeah but it's already very few players who ever get to learn quickswapping and making it harder would just make the game even more inaccessible for many players

[strange gale]

i think it should be inaccessible

it's stupidly high damage for relatively low effort

[azure oriole]

It can get crazy. Like punch swap remote det rockets while single dashing. Obviously that's unnecessary, but it's crazy hard

[strange gale]

i play mishimas in tekken and hitting that ewgf just frame feels amazing every single time

[austere bronze]

but then there are also MLs with stupid amounts of enemies

[strange gale]

which you counter with movement

the enemies are programmed to miss on purpose as long as you just hold your W key

[azure oriole]

There's only 2 people who can do single dash combat, I don't know of anyone else

[strange gale]

singleplayer movement in this game is braindead too, you just equip air control and all of your problems are gone

[austere bronze]

making quickswapping would probably not be a good idea imo since there are already lots of people complaining the game is too hard and raising the skill floor for quickswapping would make even fewer players play the MLs

[azure oriole]

Someone award this man

Air control is braindead as fuck lol

[strange gale]

yeah so then you just turn down the difficulty

nightmare should match that title

[azure oriole]

I find it hilarious how people make challenge rulesets with specific restrictions, yet they don't ban AC

[austere bronze]

for the majority of players it does match it's title

[unreal flare]

Classic Doom Nightmare:

[azure oriole]

AC is the most broken thing in the game

[lyric lodge]

just press the keys bro

[unreal flare]

I'm trying!!

[austere bronze]

what's AC?

[azure oriole]

Air control

[austere bronze]

oh yeah that's true

but what is so good with dashing once when you quickswap and what is making it so hard?

[azure oriole]

Like you actually don't need to understand how to move in eternal when air control is equipped

[lyric lodge]

damn

[strange gale]

also this would be a non-issue, the weapon mods in this game are so busted that they alone can carry people

[azure oriole]

Think about it. Perfect timing single dashing and quickswapping at the same time

[austere bronze]

and when is perfect timing?

[azure oriole]

Wdym when

[austere bronze]

I could go into the game rn and quickswap and dash once

[azure oriole]

Do you know what single dashing is

[austere bronze]

it sounds like dashing once

[azure oriole]

No that's not it

[strange gale]

what he's talking about is the mechanical complexity of doing single dashes with a set timing while quickswapping with a completely different timing

[azure oriole]

https://youtu.be/P74tXtTWUik?si=Gvx1CucCunNRBSG7

Skip to about 1:30

[strange gale]

your pb ssg is never going to line up with your single dash timing if you do both at optimal speed, that's why it's hard

[austere bronze]

sounds like playing the piano

[austere bronze]

aight

[azure oriole]

Or rather 1:10

https://youtu.be/kOxbuO6OKmQ?si=ejfwa13GeVjLQtdD

There's a lot of single dash combat in this bm video

So essentially you repeatedly dash once very quickly while also perfectly swapping.

It's not easy, but it makes your movement very unpredictable.

It's the best way to beat hard content (modded or vanilla) without using air control.

And it's also important for mp

[strange gale]

yeah this is sick

i constantly see people in this chat very confidently assert that ac "shouldn't be a rune but a part of the base kit" and that the game is "unplayable" without it

none of them have spent any significant length of time without it

[azure oriole]

Lol

The game's movement system is perfect without it imo

[strange gale]

objectively there's no reason not to use it but that's also what keeps the game interesting for me

[azure oriole]

Mastered no AC movement is wild. Hook flinging to gain velocity, landing a quick b hop string, then controlling your air direction with angled ballista boosts into more b hops, into single dashing

Just, sex

As opposed to wiggling in the air with the air control

[lyric lodge]

ts is crazy is this fairly possible on console

[azure oriole]

ts?

[lyric lodge]

"this"

[nocturne lynx]

Tbf there’s basically no reason to not pick it in Exultia so you get very little time without AC.

[azure oriole]

If course

[azure oriole]

Unless you're playing a challenge ruleset, then yeah ig

[nocturne lynx]

Very few would be doing that, less than non-Alt-F4 UN players.

[lyric lodge]

well, are there any specific videos tied to the tech you mentioned? i have a meathook vid and the dash vid you sent from the same person but what is meathook flinging?

[slow sigil]

well, people who alt f4 during UN aren't actually playing UN

[azure oriole]

Not yet, there might be some going forward though

[nocturne lynx]

That was kinda the point.

[azure oriole]

There are players out there who play hard mods without things like air control and chaingun shield for challenge

[nocturne lynx]

That doesn’t change that very few would be doing that though.

[slow sigil]

yeah but there is no reason to seperate them from actualy UN players as those people aren't playing UN

[azure oriole]

There are very few challenge runners who play hard mods to begin with

[lyric lodge]

alright, whats meathook flinging again?

bhop string too

[azure oriole]

Hook flings are when you strafe to the left or right while meathooking to gain speed

[lyric lodge]

ohh

[azure oriole]

Skip to 12:32 to see that

B hop strings are when you chain bunny hops to maintain speed from things like hook flings, ballista boosts, or lurch hops

Lurch hops are a type of hop that gives you speed.

Those are based on height. So for however long you've been falling for will determine the amount of speed you'll gain from a hop after falling.

Lurch hops are pretty hard to get used to though

[lyric lodge]

damn so drakePHOSE has everything

thanks a lot. I'll try to get used to these but timing is probably gonna be tough at 60fps on console

[azure oriole]

They have very specific timing.

[azure oriole]

I hate how frames dictate the probability of movement

As amazing as the movement is in this game, that will always suck

[ember fox]

Hello i have a question i want to do some achievement but i don't know how to do them can someone help me ?

They don't have description just "???"

and i didn't find on google the answer

[lyric lodge]

Go on youtube cuz those are meant to be hidden

[ember fox]

i didn't find it too

it's not steam succes it's in game succes

[azure oriole]

Beat TAG 1 and 2 on nightmare.

[ember fox]

what is tag ?

i can't send screen to explain so it's hard to explain

[pearl viper]

The Ancient Gods

[ember fox]

ok thx but i have like 6 other achievement like that

can i mp someone to show all achievement i need ? pls

[pearl viper]

If you want to see the hidden ones, you can go to the global tab when looking at the achievements and then click to reveal the hidden ones.

[ember fox]

it's not steam achievement

[pearl viper]

The in game milestones?

[ember fox]

can i mp u

it will be better

[pearl viper]

I'm sorry, I don't allow DMs

[ember fox]

for a screen

of achiviement

[pearl viper]

There's a #screenshots channel

[ember fox]

ok thx

[austere bronze]

I was finally able to beat the world spear ML without it crashing and I can confirm that it was hard

UN might actually be a real challenge now

[pearl viper]

I still have issues with that first armored baron

[austere bronze]

when is that?

[pearl viper]

At the beginning before the giant tentacle

[austere bronze]

oh alright

[pearl viper]

I don't know why I have so much trouble with that one baron, but after that, I can take them easy.

[austere bronze]

weird

possessed armored barons are really annyoing

[pearl viper]

I can usually deal with them if they're not in that first spot, the one I can't stand fighting is the pos. manc.

[young mango]

wait that’s the normal level

[austere bronze]

you think possessed mancubus is the most annoying possessed enemy?

[pearl viper]

Yes, it's just the normal one. I'm kinda afraid to even look at the master level,

[young mango]

the master level isn’t too bad, I was playing it just a few hours ago

[pearl viper]

For me, yes. It shoots way too fast and my problem is if I don't LoB it and duck behind a wall, it kills me instantly.

Possessed can't be ice bombed so it makes it even more stupid hard

[austere bronze]

wouldn't cyber mancubus be worse?

[pearl viper]

Because I've never seen a posessed cyber manc

[austere bronze]

and then there's possessed archvile which is really annoying

[young mango]

Objective worst, thankfully is fully impossible in vanilla

[pearl viper]

I look like I work for a game journal playing with my new controls at the moment.

[storm field]

There is posessed cyber manc in ML

[lyric lodge]

Is this important for a console player like me? https://youtu.be/1gbfWu3uYLU?si=iwrfLbWGUyrzo29m

[austere bronze]

yea, think it would be a bit too much with a possessed arhcvile for most players

[austere bronze]

how long is it going to be like that?😭

[pearl viper]

I'm watching a guy named Raitro try speedrunning on switch and uh.. no.

[young mango]

this is the type of stuff most players route in, this is not something you’d be pulling off on the fly

[pearl viper]

I think I'm getting better, but I feel weird not using the dedicated quick switch button anymore.

Okay, maybe I'm not that bad, but I'm having trouble and no I refuse to lower the difficulty

[austere bronze]

good luck with your quickswap journey

but hasn't it been weeks since you changed keybinds?

[young mango]

I honestly can’t think of a possessed enemy that’s a pain in the ass on its own beside this one

all the others are just an inconvenience

[storm field]

imagine archvile with screecher buffed

[lyric lodge]

Pitch that to the modders fr

[lyric lodge]

Alright, alright. I'll skip it for now then

[young mango]

most enemies are just “oh yea faster and more health” but the archvile pretty much becomes a mobile version of the taras nabad ones if it’s staggering is disabled

[pearl viper]

Can possessed be screeched?

[lyric lodge]

Thank you tammie for the unlisted meathook vid 🙏🙏

[pearl viper]

A few, but I've also been doing other stuff too.

[lyric lodge]

Not being able to be frozen too is an even bigger pain in the ass

[strange gale]

no i'd say the falter immunity is a bigger problem, you can stop anything a regular arch does with one pb shot

[austere bronze]

props to you for having a life ig

[pearl viper]

Screech buffed possessed doom hunter

[lyric lodge]

imagine 😔

[pearl viper]

There's a lot I have done over the past 2 weeks, but I plan to putanother 200 hours into eternal soon

[placid robin]

so uhh i remember using the unmaykr and stuff i think not sure, how do i unlock/use it again?

[young mango]

couldn’t be me, I didn’t get this experienced at the game by having a life

[strange gale]

in this situation you do have mwb taps as counterplay to summoning, but good luck landing any

[lyric lodge]

Empyrean keys from slayer gates

[austere bronze]

can those buffs even stack?

[young mango]

no

[pearl viper]

I had no clue, but I don't believe I've ever been in a situation where I would have seen it either.

[placid robin]

yeah i have those, what do i do now

[lyric lodge]

Fortresss of doom

[austere bronze]

alright, thought so

[young mango]

buffs cannot stack without mods, buff priority goes like this
buff totem/archvile buff - top priority
spirit buff- second priority I think
screecher buff- lowest priority I think

[glossy warren]

in the fortress of doom, go to the sentinel battery area where all the mod pods and runes can be unlocked, a big contraption should be there with a weapon inside of it

[young mango]

this Can an advantage sometimes because health pools aren’t changed with buff totem buffs, allowing you to kill possessed enemies faster than usual, don’t know any base game applications I can think of off the top of my head

[strange gale]

blood swamps, left trial arena

[pearl viper]

With the pos. marauder and the totem?

[placid robin]

theres nothing inside it anymore

[strange gale]

there's a possessed marauder in the holt's slayer gate, talking about a different level though

[placid robin]

oh i have to press 8 twice lmao

[glossy warren]

weirf

[young mango]

wtf do you mean 8…

does blud have interact on 8

[placid robin]

...yeah?

how often do you use the bfg or the unmaykr that you need it somewhere else

[glossy warren]

😭?

I just weapon key to it

[placid robin]

i mean okay fair 8 is a bit far even for the bfg

[young mango]

oh that’s not how I interpreted that

[placid robin]

wdym?

[young mango]

i thought you meant your melee was 8

[placid robin]

wh-

[young mango]

I’m cooked

[placid robin]

bro no one here said ANYTHING about melee what are you on about

[young mango]

I’ve been up all night👍

[pearl viper]

You don't have BFG bound to 8

I'm pretty sure

[placid robin]

i do?

[pearl viper]

Tammie

[glossy warren]

rip

[pearl viper]

With how Tammie plays, I don't think 8 is used

[young mango]

it is not, but surprisingly I still have ballista on 6

[austere bronze]

I don't even know what I have my BFG bound to💀

[pearl viper]

I thought about leaving it there, but it is a bit of a stretch for my tiny hands

[young mango]

chaingun and BFG are both on my mice side buttons

[pearl viper]

I have ballista on C

[glossy warren]

iirc I have 1 and 2 for heavy and csg, x for ballista q for ssg v for rocket and z for somethinh else I forgot

[placid robin]

due to me just quickswapping with q all the time from ssg to ballista idrc
but i did just bind my ssg to 1 and ballista to 2 lmao

[pearl viper]

I also put chainsaw on Z because for some reaosn, it works for me there, but if I bind anything else to that, I can't find it

[young mango]

i don’t use BFG outside of speedruns so i have no clue why i have it on my panic buttons

[glossy warren]

c is chainsaw alt is for the flame belch and r for grenades iirc

crucible I just dont use

[pearl viper]

My melee is on Q and I can roll my finger from A to Q quickly

I keep forgetting I even have a BFG

[young mango]

speaking of speedruns I was messing around with mars core and cleared it in 16 minutes, that was pretty cool

[placid robin]

american or german (i think lmao)

[pearl viper]

american

[placid robin]

aka next to y or next to t
ah okay

would be a pain in the ass here

[young mango]

it’s so cazy to speedrun

It’s mars core, there’s like a bajillion BFG refills, it’s the entire gimmick

[pearl viper]

I saw your 3 minute speedrun of Ark complex

[placid robin]

uhh, where is the 4th cheatcode?

[young mango]

I’m not routing allat beyond skips and BFGs, I’m not gonna do all that

[placid robin]

ok found the cheatcode lol
anyway, does anyone know how to change the language .w.

[tacit aspen]

Do you play on PC?

Steam -> right click on Doom Eternal -> Properties

I don't know anything about console

Nevermind, you do

[placid robin]

mm

ah thanks

[rose thistle]

@young mango @austere bronze do you guys have any plans to further test and, if not, could you provide a summary on how you tested (which version(s), on what levels) and what you thought (was it fun, how did difficulty compare to vanilla)?
(If you do have plans to further test, you can do that first)

[austere bronze]

overrall I thought it was fun and pretty balanced, I have played UN up until cultist base which felt the exact the as vanilla, final sin were I honestly take too little damage to be a good judge there it felt like vanilla, taras nabad where it maybe felt a little bit harder but not much and some modded levels, the modded levels varied a bit how balanced it felt tbh

[rose thistle]

Which version(s) did you play?

[austere bronze]

one thing I noticed tho is that when there are maykr drones in a fight it usually feels a bit harder than vanilla since the drones don't even give half of what they normally do in terms of health

[austere bronze]

I think I've played most version except for version 4 and here I went of version 3.2

[rose thistle]

That's odd, the drones should give exactly half their usual drops. Unless I messed something up and they're only giving a quarter...

[austere bronze]

I think they gave 90 but that might be because I took a bit of damage while healing from them, but I don't think so since it was 90 pretty consistently

but it might be that drones only heal 180 hp but I'm pretty sure they give 200

[rose thistle]

I just dropped their pack count from 20 to 10, so if they were healing 10 health × 20 before it should be 10 × 10 now

[austere bronze]

oh and I've noticed that since damage go through your armor I've found that I'm quite consistently at more armor than HP which means that I have to change my playstyle a little bit to put demons into a glory kill state more often and glory kill more

[rose thistle]

Yea yea, that's intentional

[austere bronze]

ye thought so

[rose thistle]

Overall you want to keep your health up, and just make sure you have armour so it lasts longer
Now that I think of it maybe I could have tried messing with the flame belch cooldown instead of the drops... but there'd still be the meathook and idk how I'd touch that

[raven folio]

can we play to battlemode even if we are only 2 ?

in private ?

[placid robin]

no

[raven folio]

oh crap

[placid robin]

...i won battlemode, i apparently... lost a match???

like, i got one cross on my streak thing? tf?

[azure oriole]

who else calls cacodemons danger meatballs

[placid robin]

tomatoes?

[lilac iris]

why does this game suddenly have lots of glitches when I choose to play UltraNightmare for the first time😭 😭

a hell knight fell off a small ledge and chose to die while ragdolling and chose to revive itself behind me without a sound or even the spawn animation

[glossy warren]

its always had glitches

[lilac iris]

a cacodemon ignored my frag grenade

literally ate it and immediately un-glory kill stated itself

and my last one, the arachnotron ignored my chainsaw even though I had 3 pips of fuel

annoying man

[eager leaf]

but it refused...

[azure oriole]

Say DE SD if you are playing or have played Doom Eternal on a Steam Deck

[halcyon remnant]

I just beat Ark complex master level on UN ??

Nightmare but not using extra lives

Ark complex master level had no UN unfortunately

[vagrant owl]

yo guys after ending the main story of eternal, i should go to the first dlc right?
btw should i fully upgrade the slayer before i go?

[random vault]

you start tag 1 with everything

[vagrant owl]

oh really?

i dont need to upgrade anything?

[random vault]

yeah

[vagrant owl]

big W

[halcyon remnant]

Upgrade everything to do the master levels

[royal arch]

what if doom demons were replaced by ultrakill enemies

[serene stone]

I find Eternal extremely glitchy in general ngl. Lol

[vagrant owl]

played in uv and saw 0

and im playing tag 1 rn

[serene stone]

Some of the all time classic glitches are blood punches constantly not working, or staggered enemies being blood punches instead of glory kills.

Also meathook not being responsive (especially on Doom Hunters and Pain Elementals), meathook constantly breaking, or meathook constantly glitching, turning into a noodle, or attaching to either random directions or attaching to the wrong enemy

[vagrant owl]

eternal in ultra nightmare should be really a nightmare

[serene stone]

Chainsaw either not working, or it targets the wrong enemy.

Sylar Lock on burst tech doesn't work half the time, or the lock on rockets targets the wrong enemy.

The game has a lot of issues with its targeting and lock on systems in general really

[serene stone]

"No target"
"No target"

Also the stage collision geometry is extremely sticky and has invisible walls and death warps in the most illogical and questionable areas lol

[serene stone]

Also you'll often just get yeeted if you blood punch or melee, like the game's physics are so weird and random LMAO

[serene stone]

I know you haven't played, but if you want a true Nightmare, play DOOM 1 or 2 on Nightmare

Nightmare was literally made as an unbeatable joke difficulty on the classics lol

Yet people still beat it

[rose thistle]

Yeah classic Doom nightmare is hilarious

Depends in the level but ranges from about the same as UV to borderline impossible
But in some cases it can actually be easier lol

[serene stone]

Wait how would it be easier?

It's just Ultra Violence with fast monsters enabled+ infinite respawning enemies

[rose thistle]

Mainly the fast monsters, they're a lot more predictable and don't move around as much so sometimes things just work out that they don't get in your way as much

[serene stone]

True but you can play Ultra Violence with fast monsters too

[rose thistle]

Fast Archviles for example are a lot easier to deal with because they'll never flush you out of your cover if you show yourself properly

[rose thistle]

Well yeah but I said just regular UV

[azure oriole]

anyone how is the best way to kill a marauder

[rose thistle]

Though Nightmare also has the double ammo so even there it has potential (theoretically) to be easier in some circumstances

[serene stone]

There's not really a best way, just an easiest way....but just bait him into green eyes and Ballista+SSG is the easiest way.

But the best way is basically complex one cycle and shield baiting stuff

[serene stone]

Didn't know it had double ammo tbh

[azure oriole]

thanks i've been doing that for a while so i wanted to make sure if i did it wrong

[serene stone]

Though it kinda reminds me of how Nightmare on Doom 3 is easier in some ways, because you start off with the soul cube

[serene stone]

Yeah, also Ballista near the feet can sometimes stun him as well

[strange gale]

the 2 other points you're correct on, but slob only ever drops because you dropped the input

[serene stone]

And rocket launcher and sticky bomb and micro missiles splash damage on the ground can damage him

[azure oriole]

just wanted to also say that another quick way to kill the cacodemon apart from combat shotgun sticky grenade is by SSG meathooking them with the fire mod and blood punching them

[serene stone]

Maybe it's different on PC , but I play the Xbox version and I definitely think I'm inputting it right.

It often doesn't work if you're too close especially.

Or if it's a Tyrant you have to aim way the fuck up, for SLOB to work.

[strange gale]

oh yeah that's just the targeting system being unintuitive

[fleet tide]

:kachow: idk maybe if it fixed blood punching, not require the player to memorize 10+ keybinds, and not have 8 shots only from a shotgun, and MP could be better. perhaps a lot more players would find it fun and maybe it would of won

[serene stone]

Also the amount of the times where I'm clearing aiming at a Tyrant but it makes me SLOB an imp should make me filthy rich lol

[strange gale]

meathook and lob rely on a thing called targeting points, set locations on each enemy model that the lock-on uses to figure out what you want to hit

i'm fairly certain every enemy only has a single targeting point despite adding more being entirely possible and a net positive

[azure oriole]

I have plans on trying to get the Unmaykr in Doom Eternal. What are the differences between the Unmaykr and the BFG?

[serene stone]

Yeah, and the Pain Elementals and DOOM Hunters have the worst placement for said points haha

[strange gale]

yep

[serene stone]

Especially critical damage DOOM Hunters, they seem way worse for it than the shielded ones lol.

Probably because their point was probably on the sled, and once it's gone, it's well....more wonky

[serene stone]

Unmaykr full auto kinda various laser beams weapon.

BFG is one big ball that will spread tendrils to target every enemy on the arena. So it's best to shoot the BFG up at the sky

And to shoot the Unmaykr directly at the enemies

[strange gale]

you'd think it'd be obvious to just place the targeting point for each enemy near its center of mass but... id just didn't do that for whatever reason

[young mango]

this games so buggy but that’s also where some of the fun is

I love the silly unintended shit that is not only doable, but consistently doable

[serene stone]

The bugs where you randomly get yeeted or enemies get stuck on terrain or in walls and randomly die are pretty funny

[vagrant owl]

Cant imagine

[young mango]

at least if I get yeeted I probably know what yeeted me, I’ve been studying these glitches for a bit

WS first arena zip boost 🤤

which nobody is able to get on purpose btw

people just the torch by the arena instead on zip boost routes

[young mango]

ah yes doomguy tripped on a tree branch, 6096 mps now!

[spring panther]

trying to do tag1 on nightmare

currently at the samur fight

skipped samur's first phase by bulldozer

[sour sage]

yo guys i gotta theory : if the doom slayer had everything before does that mean Davoth had evrything? like a family? or simaller back story ?

[dull herald]

you should read the game's codices if the story interests you 😊😊

[young mango]

its cazy we got players learning bulldozer so early on in the skill ladder

[spring panther]

bulldozed him again on phase 3

or 4 idk

[serene stone]

A lot of times you just get randomly yeeted by blood punching. It doesn't even matter where you do it

[young mango]

phase 4 yea

[young mango]

punchboosting

[spring panther]

i've also started binding my controller buttons to weapons

[serene stone]

I mean even on flat ground, basically kissing a Tyrant, you just lunge in awkward ways when blood punching

It's random

[spring panther]

the game is trying to pull you towards your blood punch target

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/kWF_-yFLhiw?si=V7XJ7LFaJBwf_50O

[serene stone]

It makes you go way past the Tyrant or behind him or fly up.... disorienting your perspective and vision and perception lol

[young mango]

here’s a good tutorial on how it works

[spring panther]

it took me quite a while to figure out that bulldozer even existed

[serene stone]

But that shit is for slopes, or if they're at ledges above you. I'm talking about a different thing

[young mango]

no it isn’t

it’s not exclusive to slope I have no clue where you got that from

[serene stone]

It's not? That's usually what I see punch boosts used for in speedruns

[spring panther]

somewhere around when i got my first rank star is when i figured out how to bulldoze

[serene stone]

Also they go flying way up in the air in speedruns like 100s of feet lol

[spring panther]

the tas speedrun of eternal was extremely ridiculous imo

[spring panther]

all i saw on 90% of the bosses was super plasma rifle

[weak frigate]

Hi, do mods block getting achievements in Steam?

[young mango]

here’s a dumb summary, basically when you go to punch an enemy, you lunge towards it, when you collide with the enemy, your momentum from that lunge is lost, but if it disconnects, you will maintain/redirect your speed, this can happen by putting geometry inbetween you and the enemy, having the enemies lunge point disappear mid boost ( usually can only happen with pinkies gibbing , and other such factors I don’t feel like remembering right now, punching off an enemy like you describe it is the punch lunging towards the enemy, but not colliding with the lunge point, redirecting your momentum, also two things. holding a movement key more than doubles the momentum acquired from this, preferred you use forward in specific because the punch boost will lock your camera in anyways. and it’s framerate dependent, not because the punch is faster, but because the disconnection in collision happens earlier on, I hope this summary helps out

[young mango]

here is a personal example of me pulling one off https://youtu.be/LTrFalTZMpQ?si=9EWxBzH59HK0WgQr

[young mango]

And an accidental punchboost for reference https://youtu.be/BoClnaf1UhU?si=A23i3A6r36X4Z_Ez

[serene stone]

It brought you to the cutscene room? Lmfao.

I always wanted to go there, but no luck because I play the Xbox version

[spring panther]

it is possible i believe

[serene stone]

The accidental punch boost stuff for me is generally nowhere near as ridiculous usually, but I know it's because of Console frame rate limitations, and that the game gets more broken on higher frame rates

[spring panther]

consoles can go up to 120 fps

[serene stone]

I'm on Xbox One S, not the Series X/S

[spring panther]

ah ok

[serene stone]

But I do know glory kills and slope boosts can randomly make me go flying to outer space on World Spear lol

[spring panther]

in which you can then use that to skip most of world spear if you go high enough

[serene stone]

Especially with punch swap Ballista boosts

I think sometimes punch boosts send you flying that high too, so I suppose getting to the cutscene room might be possible on my system but very very hard

[young mango]

slope boosts? That’s not the right term for what you’re trying to say, slope boosts were patched out in 1.1, consoles do current patch, 6.66.2.2

[serene stone]

Send ME flying that high I meant

[serene stone]

Whatever the thing is when you dash on a slope and go flying up.

[young mango]

dash boost

[serene stone]

Oh

Should be called slope dash or something

[young mango]

although you said “outer space” so you might mean zip boosts, don’t know

[spring panther]

i wonder how someone figured out the super plasma rifle glitch

[serene stone]

Yeah World Spear is probably the most broken level in the game for random broken physics tbh

[young mango]

set fire to scroll wheel and pressed it

[spring panther]

still a funny glitch though

[serene stone]

Atleast for me

[young mango]

this is like half the glitches in this game I need something more specific 😭😭

[serene stone]

Tbf half the game is a glitch in general

[spring panther]

so true

bulldozer to mow down everything super heavy and boosting

[serene stone]

For some reason I could only bulldozer Marauders on my Xbox.

[young mango]

that’s cazy… 60FPS bulldozing

[spring panther]

meanwhile 120 fps just mows everything

[serene stone]

Probably more like 20 FPS or something because it was on the World Spear Master Level which has significant frame drops

[spring panther]

i was able to get a spirit tyrant low enough to stagger to 2 LOBs with bulldozer

[serene stone]

I seen some people bulldozer a possessed Tyrant and then they die to a blood punch or something

[spring panther]

thats with even higher framerates

[serene stone]

Yeah high FPS Doom Eternal is astronomically stupid

[young mango]

I Can bulldoze a possessed tyrant with no extra damage required if I uncap my framerate

[young mango]

this was with 250FPS, I can easily reach 400 in less strenuous areas https://youtu.be/dvICNQr8naE?si=pMFj94hu4Ni6MfXo

[spring panther]

there will eventually be a time where someone is able to bulldoze a phase 2 spirit gladiator

we may need an entire server rack to do it

[young mango]

I’ve bulldozed 90000 damage worths before, I’m sure that’s more than what you just described

[spring panther]

it is

spirit phase 2 gladiator would have about 50k hp

[serene stone]

wrong warps doe

[spring panther]

and i am no way in hell going to get 90k bulldoze damage

my max is about 15k

[serene stone]

Bulldoze the Intern. You won't

[spring panther]

bfg the intern

[young mango]

framerate: 250FPS
Bruh https://youtu.be/1WyrR0kwUWs?si=4hqYVuGTZPOJi1Mk

I did “g_damageScaleAlltoAI 0.1” in this video btw

[serene stone]

Won't work. Intern's weakness is the Unmaykr.

[spring panther]

reminds me of the absurdity of the 2016 bfg damage per frame thing

[young mango]

too bad this is only allowed in unrestricted categories

[serene stone]

Meathook speed per frame doe

[young mango]

Meaning in speedruns it’s only useful for unrestricted master levels and unrestricted TAG2

[spring panther]

because of the alpha rotation

[young mango]

wat

[spring panther]

or something idk

iirc the alpha rotation is just rapidly switching between every high damage weapon

[young mango]

nobody has ever used that term ever

[spring panther]

i've really only heard it from raitro during his gdq doom 2016 run

[young mango]

the reason it’s only useful for those categories is because you can actually play them on patches above 6.0 without a timeloss

Because major skips and maybe some glitches get patched out

[serene stone]

That's because Raitro is alpha so it's his signature term

[inland kite]

MEW eternal

[serene stone]

Imagine now

[serene stone]

You're Sayden Eternal

[inland kite]

nah

You're Caco Eternal

[serene stone]

I'm The Ancient CacoVEGA Part 1

[flint wolf]

Hola

No hablar inglés yo