doom-eternal

[safe raft]

bye chat

[azure oriole]

Transfiguration, in its natural state, is death and rebirth. Maykrs are designed to naturally die and have their consciousness copied back into the Maykr Singularity, where they are reborn into new Maykrs.

This process depends on the Father's presence, though. When the Father's Life Sphere was stolen away from the Luminarium by Samuel (around the Slayer's rise), the Transfiguration cycle was broken. Now, Maykrs are doomed to immortality - their bodies begin to degrade into flesh and blood while their consciousnesses are trapped inside, driving them insane in the process.

This is what happened to Samur in TAG1.

Argent Energy postpones the process; the Khan we see in Eternal has been unnaturally lengthening her life span for presumably millions of years, far beyond the 10,000 year lifespan a Khan is supposed to have.

[rose thistle]

So then turning all gross and yucky is just kinda a byproduct of them expiring

[azure oriole]

Yes. It's how Maykr machine-bodies degrade.

[rose thistle]

Aren't they already flesh and blood though? We see even the healthy maykrs have those tentacles underneath them, and the drones are red and wet inside like any other monster when you rip them apart

I think the Maykrs might not be so physiologically distinct from the demons... they were made by the same guy after all
Just two sides of the same coin

[azure oriole]

On the Drones: That's because of Transfiguration. All Maykrs we meet have already partially succumbed and are hiding organic body parts with metal. This is why the Khan's face looks gross when we defeat her - the Transfiguration did this, and she was covering it up with metal.

[rose thistle]

Oh hm
Ig that'd make sense

[azure oriole]

Examination of the Maykr tentacles suggests they're still made of metal. Seraphs in the Luminarium don't succumb to the Transfiguration, presumably because the site is super-magic or something like that.

They're basically 100% synthetic metal that degrade into organic matter. Imagine if your computer rotted and the plastic casing turned to skin. The wires become veins, the keys become bone growths... This is what is happening to the Maykrs.

[empty basin]

It could also be because that they're not really Maykrs, and are even more drone-like than the actual Maykr Drones as they are pre-programmed to just grant passage to whoever has a Life Sphere and resurrects the item

[azure oriole]

This is possible too. Seraphs are suggested to be pretty different from Maykrs, and I believe it's implied the Father could be considered a separate "species."

[rose thistle]

Idk, I always got the vibe that Maykrs being "machines" was more a figure of speech than totally literal, and they were more bio-mechanical at most from the beginning.

[rose thistle]

Well the Father himself was a completely different sort of guy wasn't he? One of those lesser gods I forget the name of?

[azure oriole]

This was the vibe the base game gave me, yeah. I'm mainly going off of The Ancient Gods which frames them as having been "built" rather than "born."

[rose thistle]

I see no reason a creator god couldn't "build" an organic being

[slow sigil]

I see it more as an survival attempt, where the transfiguration also likely releases energy temporarely

[azure oriole]

A Primeval, but no. Davoth is the only natural Primeval we meet in the series. Hugo suggests Doomguy might be one, but the games never say so and only basically say he becomes one through Davoth's powers.
The nature of Primevals are unclear. It isn't concrete as to if this is a species or a title - all we know is it refers to the strongest being of a given dimension, whose soul/heart is innately connected to said dimension. Davoth, for example, is innately tied to Hell's core.

[rose thistle]

Fun fact: this is in line with the original instant of "robot", I think. It was a musical where the robots were constructed from grown organic parts or something
I think

[slow sigil]

Also note how primeval could very well be a title hugo made up to promote the overinflated doomguy power fantasy

[rose thistle]

Hm? The Primevels were described as lesser gods created by the creator god (at that point said to be the father, later revealed to be davoth). By that definition Davoth couldn't be a Primeval since he would be above them, while the Father would fit the bill perfectly as a lesser God created by the creator God (and would also check out with all the other stuff they swapped between him and davoth after their tussle)

[azure oriole]

The "creator God" is the Mysterious Voice, the entity that created Davoth.

[rose thistle]

[azure oriole]

Davoth isn't really a creator. He engineers, more than anything. Evidence still likely points to the Father having made the Earthly Realms via the Luminarium, for example.

Think of Davoth more like an Adam figure. The first man.

I know, I know. The Mysterious Voice thing is kind of dumb.

[slow sigil]

I love rushed lore they scrapped half of!!!

[rose thistle]

That doesn't make sense. The codexes describe him as creating Jekkad, creating the Father and the Maykrs "with his incredible power" or something. Even if he didn't make the earth or whatever he definitely still made the stuff that made it

[slow sigil]

Davoth was meant to be the mysterious force btw

[rose thistle]

If we're going off the basis of even those codex entries being innacurate then we may as well just throw everything away

[slow sigil]

Basically, welcome to the post tag2 lore

[rose thistle]

ftr, I am ok with throwing everything away

[slow sigil]

Where you have to look at everything critically

[rose thistle]

lemme write the story myself, I can do better

[azure oriole]

Jekkad is not necessarily confirmed to have been made by Davoth.

[slow sigil]

Can we just blow up tag2 and give them more time

[azure oriole]

All we see is this:

In the beginning the world of Jekkad (later known as Hell) prospered under the guidance of their leader Davoth. He longed to solve the riddle of immortality for his people - an ability only he possessed. His efforts met with failure, as mortal flesh could not sustain the undying spirit. Using his unrivaled power he crafted the Maykr race to find the solution, their machine minds working in unison.
The usage of "crafted" implies engineering. The wording of Jekkad implies the possibility that it may have predated Davoth himself, or that both him and Jekkad were made at the same time.

i.e. the Garden of Eden and Adam. Adam did not create Earth. He was merely placed within it, as the first being, and laid the seeds for more.

I myself do not believe Davoth made Jekkad.

[slow sigil]

Yeah no i think that "crafted" must mean engineering is a bit short sighted if we're talking about literal gods

[rose thistle]

Anyway, the Father is obviously a different kind of entity than the Maykrs. Apart from how he's generally just clearly depicted as a step above even the Khan, something I'd like to point out is how the codexes depict him with a humanoid silhouette (consistent with Davoth), differently from the Maykr's who are... Maykrs

[azure oriole]

I don't think it must. I moreso mean it probably does. Because we know Maykr technology is derived from Jekkad.

[rose thistle]

also this is a bit earlier but I think I'd prefer not to imagine that

[azure oriole]

Jekkad prospered under Davoth's rule - it resulted in Immora, a high-tech city that uses the same kinds of materials and architecture that made up Urdak.

[slow sigil]

But keep in mind it could very well be propoganda he made so he looked roughly like davoth to make his coup more credible

[rose thistle]

hmmm

[azure oriole]

Whenever high-tech shows up in Hell, real high tech and not metal Lincoln Logs like with the Spiderdemons, it's associated with Davoth.

[slow sigil]

Aka the 2 times

[rose thistle]

metal lincoln logs 😭

[slow sigil]

1 of which is an dlc that reused assets because they where rushing for time

[rose thistle]

nuh uh, three times
Urdak
Urdak but forest
Urdak but red

[azure oriole]

My opinion: Davoth created a God-like being. The Father is clearly something that dwarfs Davoth in power. I think in his desperation he made a robot that was much stronger and smarter than him. I think the Father is sort of a "Maykr" but also something above them.

[azure oriole]

I don't really care to use this argument, because there are instances of this showing up that clearly are not reused. Davoth's mech is a wholly original creation, not reused assets.

[slow sigil]

We have no real clue how the coup happened and what davoth's power was pre-coup. It could be literally anything

[azure oriole]

What's the first thing the guy does when he's awake? He jumps in a Gundam. It seems like second nature to him. I think there are deliberate details that paint Davoth as an engineer who crafted the things he made with divine technology.

[rose thistle]

Immora resembling Urdak is obviously intentional
Immora resembling Urdak as much as it does is probably a result of crunch

[slow sigil]

Davoth mech looks less urdakky and was still created in that time period when they knew they had to rush

[rose thistle]

nuh uh, first thing he does is get shot then walk through a portal

[azure oriole]

Okay well then, the, uh... third thing he does.

My point is - there's no point in trying to theorize what is important and what is the result of crunch. Regardless of what they had to sacrifice, this is the final product.

[rose thistle]

personally I like to think the third thing was probably catching up with his mates and then maybe having a good stretch
probably the other way around

so I think the fifth thing at the earliest

[slow sigil]

Yeah... in tag2 when they had to put it all in the gutter to deliver on time

[azure oriole]

This is still the final product.

[rose thistle]

company don't release a half baked project in order to meet an arbitrary deadline CHALLENGE

[azure oriole]

I just don't really care about the details and lore of a hypothetical TAG2 that would have released if not for XYZ circumstances. For better or worse, this is the one we got, and it's the one future entries will look back to if they choose to reference any of it.

[rose thistle]

(hopefully they won't)

but yeah obviously we can't use cut content as a basis for speculation

[azure oriole]

I think it can be a neat springboard in some cases. But I wouldn't take it as definitive.

[slow sigil]

Yeah, but instead of trying to fill up the breaks they made i think it's handier to recognize "yeah we don't know this rn and tag2 goofed this part"

[azure oriole]

Example: I don't think Davoth is canonically capable of turning into a dragon in Doom's canon, even if this was something they were considering implementing before restrictions.

[rose thistle]

I think Davoth probably can turn into a dragon because that would be cool

why doesn't he do it in his boss fight? obvious
he forgot he could do that

easy mistake, happens to the best of us

[slow sigil]

Davoth can definitely turn into a... bad dragon

[azure oriole]

Well of course we don't know in a lot of these cases. But we can certainly make educated guesses and get pretty close to an answer when taking the info we have into account.

[rose thistle]

idk, I think we tend to make too many assumptions. or at least make them with too much certainty

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/khan-maykr-maykr-doom-marine-doom-slayer-yellow-ball-gif-411477857171559487

[slow sigil]

Better to highlight that we don't know and where the shirtcomings lie

Anyways it's 1:30 i'm going to reenact that khan gif in my bed now

[azure oriole]

Example: I do think we can surmise quite a lot about the Maykrs' betrayal. All it takes is cross-referencing the Book of Seraphs with TAG2's lore.
For example we can very easily tell the Father still made the Earthly Realms, becuase the Book of Seraphs is not lying about the Luminarium. We see it, and it is accurate to what the book describes. This, further, tells us the Father sealed Jekkad away with similar tech (which the TAG2 lore corroborates) - and further, that he used the Gate of Divum to get there when he confronted Davoth in the first place.

[rose thistle]

Anyway I think Davoth is definitely more powerful than you guys tend to give him credit for. Even the propaganda against him depicts him as like, a proper powerful god, rather than just some guy good at building stuff out of magic.
There's no explicit indication that there's any god above him (there may as well be at this point but they never say it) and like, isn't there a bunch of lore talking about how insanely taxing being turned into a ball (and then even more being unturned into a ball) is? Davoth shrugs that stuff off like nothing, he's clearly a lot tougher in the cosmic sense than like, a dude.

[azure oriole]

Through deduction we can also surmise that Davoth simply didn't have truly godlike abilities in his prime. The Maykrs are machinery, so Davoth very easily could've just built them, or at least built machines that could automate their creation. Even if we assume the Slayer's powers are only a fraction of Davoth's, rather than the whole, they'd only be a fraction of finite powers - i.e. very strong, very resilient.

Well to specify I do not think Davoth was just a dude.

I believe that when Davoth was in his prime, he was as the Slayer is now.

He was a very very powerful man with an immortal lifespan and advanced strength, stamina, and determination. I think that had him be revered as a God, much as normal humans revere the Slayer as one.

I do think that by the time TAG2 happens, he is just a dude, since he needs a mech to compensate for a lack of powers as the Slayer has usurped them.

[rose thistle]

random
you guys ever realize how inconsistent they are with life orbs?
at first they're like, a physical thing, in the body. We see the Khan with hers and there's the story about the Father literally ripping Davoth's out of his chest
but then like, well actually all of you turns into when you get ballified, and when Davoth is ressurected he has no kind of orb in his chest or anything

also random, but like
it's so weird how Samuel says the Khan is invulnerable "when the orb is in her chest"
even though she's like
not

[azure oriole]

Yeah it's weird.

[rose thistle]

you can damage her practically from the start by shooting her
and you can damage her meaningfully just by getting her shield down
at no point in the fight does the orb leave her chest

the only time that happens is when she DIES
maybe Samuel just has a weird definition of vulnerable but personally I think that being able to be brought from a state of being not dead to being dead counts as it
definitely isn't limited to the state of actually being dead

that fight was so weird dude
when I heard you could meathook her I was like oh of course, that's how I tear the orb out to damage her
but then it doesn't? you just go there like normal?

like fuck we can compare the meathook to the OoT hookshot but even that one could drag a boss's vulnerability orb out of its body to attack

[rose thistle]

the second thing he does is conjure a portal to hell

also
if you had a giant battle mech, regardless of your strength on your own...
wouldn't you use it?

[azure oriole]

Yeah, he's tied to it. Like his soul is Hell. The Father can do the same thing, since he is also tied to Urdak.

Eh, I dunno - that mech probably wouldn't be useful to Davoth in his prime. But that's getting into a lot of speculation.
What I can be pretty sure of is Davoth gives up once the mech breaks.

[rose thistle]

yeah cause he's a lil bitch
like father like son

or maybe it's more
like father like The Father

[azure oriole]

Like Father like Father!

[rose thistle]

yeah!

why didn't Doomguy just chase Davoth through the portal in the Luminarium and shoot him
is he stupid?

[azure oriole]

A fact some forget: Davoth was originally The Father. Like, the Father wasn't built to be named this. Davoth was the Father. The Maykr of the same name stole this name when he betrayed Davoth.

This is why 2016 has Hell calling him "The Nameless One." Because, y'know, his name was stolen.

[rose thistle]

it's funny because he still has a whole lot more names than the guy who stole his

including like
an actual name

Davoth
that's literally more than any of the other gods we meet, who only have titles

unless you count Samur ig

[azure oriole]

Davoth... Lucifer... the Dark Lord... the Nameless One....

I wouldn't count Samur. He's more like a holy advisor or something.

I bet he'd like to think of himself as a god though.

[rose thistle]

dude's cocky as shit lmao

"dude you should be so honoured for this"
"this guy you're gonna meet is so cool aren't you excited"
"man people would be sooo jealous if they knew the cool guy you were about to meet haha"

[azure oriole]

But yeah. Personally, I like, uh, 80% of TAG's story or so.
Good: Samur, the Father, Davoth, as in their final characters and who they really are. Immora rocks. The Argenta fighting demons in Immora rocks. World Spear is awesome.
Bad: TAG2's twist is revealed in a clunky way. The Gate of Divum is silly, as is most of Reclaimed Earth. I don't care for Hugo's statements on Primevals or the Mysterious Voice.

I'm kinder to this part of the canon than most. Perhaps because it makes more sense to my probably-autistic brain which will be more biased towards trying to "figure it out" and thus come away from it thinking it is cohesive.

[rose thistle]

Honestly, most of TAG's story is pretty good. What I don't like is all the dumb retcons (planned or not)
Samur should not have overwritten Samuel, that shit about everything in the Sentinel Civil War having been orchestrated by Davoth was stupid and shouldn't have been there
Vega as the Father was like... honestly ok on its own but the explanation for it sucked

the UAC having the Seraphim and shit was also dumb

[azure oriole]

I guess how I'd word it: I like the plotline. I'm a bit disappointed with how little time these plotlines get to breathe.

As with, y'know, most plotlines, it would've been ideal to get more time with this. These twists could've been a lot more palatable in a game of their own.

But this does not frustrate me, like, to the point of wishing it hadn't happened. I still like TAG. Could've been better... also could've been a lot worse. It's acceptable.

[rose thistle]

I can't say the same I'm afraid, I feel like it really just steps on a lot of the cool stuff that came before

unrelated
have you played Xenoblade Chronicles?

[azure oriole]

I haven't, but I've heard good things about it.

[rose thistle]

because I'm like, 90% sure that all the weird stuff in Eternal's plot is because one of the writers played the game halfway through development and thought it was really cool
and just copied it without totally getting why it works

If you wanna see that "could've been better" thing of yours realized I recommend you check it out, cause I swear it's like, the exact same plot

[azure oriole]

I'll probably check it out sometime.

Recently I've been getting into the Metal Gear Solid series and replaying the Resident Evil franchise for the, like, 6th time.

[rose thistle]

heh
I've only played the first Xenoblade, I've had 2 and 3 on this "I should probably play those at some point but I don't have the time or money for it" list
mostly the time thing

a bit ago I was listening to a lot of the OST (which is fantastic), and I had the thought of like
dude I should play Xenoblade again....
and I had to check myself like
dumbass
if you're gonna play one of these games play one of the ones you haven't played yet lol

[timber badge]

Hola

[warm urchin]

DOOM eternal is the real DOOM 2

[silver falcon]

I feel like thats true and also kinda not

more like doom 5 (only if u count 64 and Idk if doom 3 is canon but I dont count it)

because theyre all in the same continuity

[lofty estuary]

maybe the Doom 2 to Doom 2016 if you wanna look at it that way

[rose thistle]

it is doom 5, counting 3 and not 64

that's how id counts it
obviously the reason doom 64 isn't counted is because 64 comes after 5

[acoustic lark]

Whats even the point of naming it like that.
Just confusing as fuck

Just go by the release date

[silver falcon]

why naming it 64?

cuz it was an n64 game

[silver falcon]

How? I thought 3 wasnt canon and then 64 took place after 2 and then doomguy stays in hell and then goes to earth after a 100 years or smth

cuz doom 3 is a prequel to ALL the games

[azure oriole]

I think adre was saying numerically the number 64 comes after the number 3

Also if your name is an obscure gravity falls reference I love it

[silver falcon]

mine?

[azure oriole]

Yes

[silver falcon]

Im sorry but idk a lot of gravity falls stuff (I watched it like 5 yrs ago)

could u explain how it could be a reference plz?

[azure oriole]

Sure

Gravity falls has a reoccuring character named Toby Determined (he's usually made fun of for being really ugly, if you can remember) and at somepoint in the show he puts on a punk outfit and tells the other characters to call him "bodacious T"

[silver falcon]

holy shit that actually rlly funny

I did it cuz my name is Beau and bodacious is a rlly funny word to me and my last name starts with T

crazy coincedence fr

[lyric lodge]

How in the scallywag to i kill 2 marauders on acid with no tech 😭🙏

Welp i just went to that small area with land

ggez (i was at 5 hp at least 4 times)

[azure oriole]

You talking about the SGN ML?

In that fight I try to keep my distance from the marauders and then wait for at least one of them to start running at me, and then shoot him during the green eye flash and get maybe one or two hits in before the other marauder starts attacking me. I played the long game, making sure to always get back to the middle area for the RAD suit refill when I needed it, and killing zombies for health and ammo whenever I needed it. Getting past the marauders to get to the rad refill can be difficult, iirc I would jump over their heads to get past, but I'm not 100% if thats what I did or not, just try to find something that works for you.

[lyric lodge]

Honestly i just ran around, using the small area on the locked door to get a few hits in

This final arena has me TWEAKING tho

YES CRUCIBLE MY BELOVED

FUCK ALL THEM COMBOS FOR ARCHVILES CRUCIBLE IS THE WAY

LEAD THE WAY LISAN AL GAIB

Lmao they really did not want me to escape

ts could actually be a UN endrunner 😭🙏

Finally beat my first real ML that isnt arc complex

mid icons but WE STAY WINNING 😭😭‼️‼️

[lyric lodge]

Woah i just found out you can crucible the gladiator

[tame topaz]

I can gauge the collective IQ in this channel based off this singular post.

congratulations.

[timber badge]

Hola

[lofty estuary]

wait huh?

[lyric lodge]

Yeah the crucible deals like almost half his hp

3 blades and his 2nd phase is gobe

[lofty estuary]

i'll keep that in mind for later use

[lyric lodge]

Its before taras nabad tho so not much help

[azure oriole]

Imma start giving this tip to people asking for UN advice, imma be so helpful 😭

[storm field]

@azure oriole How many hours do you have?

[azure oriole]

No clue, PlayStation doesn't keep track of hours you spend while not connected to the Internet

I have at least 125 is all I know

[storm field]

ok

[austere bronze]

How many hours do you have @storm field ?

[storm field]

320

You?

[lyric lodge]

top tier advice 🗣

[austere bronze]

360

[lyric lodge]

Damn yall crazy bruh i got 91 only

[austere bronze]

I feel like you've been around 90-100 hours for a long time

Maybe it's just me remembering incorrectly

[lyric lodge]

I only got it on my ps5 this year, but i got it on my switch last year so maybe thats where youre getting it

I dont remember my switch hours tho

[austere bronze]

Yeah, might be

[lyric lodge]

how do i even check switch hours 😭

Oh i got it i played it for 45 hours interestingly enough

[azure oriole]

Give or take a few

I find it so abundantly silly the switch only tracks hours in 5s

[lilac iris]

I have 52 hours in 4 weeks

I played 11 hours in december

Then had a WiiU phase through January, February and March, so I didn't play DE

[rose thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690153946081525781/1230765689418027059/Doom_Eternal_2024.04.18_-_23.21.13.29.DVR.mp4
cooking up something crazy guys just you wait

[storm field]

How this is happening?

[silver falcon]

Hey does the yr 1 pass have both dlcs?

[rose thistle]

Fucked up my mod files

[lyric lodge]

This is lowkey crazy. https://youtu.be/FVuzTA1plKo?si=NvTRrDDMXC-4P4Ik is this the WR rn? Im not bothered enough to check speedrun.com lmao

Nvm just saw his latest vid bro did it

Does anyone here know any console players who have played modded levels other than muricaneagle? Its interesting shit and i wanna see more so bad

[silver falcon]

.

[unreal flare]

Yes, it has basically everything

[silver falcon]

Okay

Ty

[lyric lodge]

Game felt so slow on hoe i genuinely played like it was my first time 😭

[austere bronze]

pretty average if you're into doom tbh

[young mango]

He’s been done it, this video just isn’t WR anymore because he beat his own time

gyc had a run even faster than his current WR in his unlisted videos, can’t find it anymore

[lyric lodge]

whys it gone

[young mango]

never said it was gone just said I can’t find it

[lyric lodge]

yuh but whys it unlisted

[lilac iris]

Unnormal for me

[young mango]

probably because there was a whiff he wasn’t proud of or maybe he felt like he could’ve increased his time by a wider margin

[young mango]

rookie numbers, one time I got high off my antidepressants because I hadn’t taken them in a while and played like 80 hours in 2 weeks

[lyric lodge]

rookie numbers i saw a plat guy get 96 hours within 2 weeks

[young mango]

damn he must’ve been high too Wtf

[lyric lodge]

diff game but still hours

[lyric lodge]

he was determined to plat a godzilla game before the premiere of the gxk movie 💀

[young mango]

grinding for 2nd place was fun, my motivation fell off after that

if I kept up my pace, I’d be giving 1st place a good run for his money right now

funnily enough gycnob is the same guy who holds the world record in the category I’m running ( TAG2 any% restricted )

[lyric lodge]

almost a minute difference damn

first in UN tho W stuff

[young mango]

all my practice runs combined into an optimal run are still 16:50 currently

but don’t worry I’ve done bigger asspulls before

https://youtu.be/7GrR9O2bQuA?si=Hd124ym6v3_rhFny

4 months ago, current best is 17:38, damn near halving my time is crazy

[lyric lodge]

damn thats actually wild

[young mango]

I was still a decently skilled player when I made this video but I had never really dabbled in speedrunning beforehand

[lyric lodge]

this is good stuff tbh you should do more base campaign runs imo tho

[young mango]

there’s reasons I don’t run main campaign, imagine going from having to learn 4 levels in their entirety to 13

[lyric lodge]

true

[young mango]

the only two levels in main campaign I’m currently good at are arc complex and urdak

[lyric lodge]

getting 1st place with barely stable 60fps is actually insane https://www.speedrun.com/doom_eternal/runs/mr7o6j7z

[young mango]

it is very good, but to be fair the skips he does aren’t frame dependant

[lyric lodge]

true, it is restricted yeah

but the fps did seem painful to look at thats what

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/_t_mW3MAWWg?si=fbX983K3f38GU4OK

here’s my own run, it’s not too far off

[pearl viper]

Jeeeez

You didn't even need the elevator skip thing

10/10 gameplay

[lilac iris]

youre saying it like if its good

[rose thistle]

i don't think that's how antidepressants work

[young mango]

mine aren’t just like SSRIs and stuff they’re like narcotics and whatnot, going 0 to 100 instead of easing your way in makes you high in the sense that you feel amazing for like a week or two straight

not high as in like anything crazy happened but it makes you feel like you can do anything

[rose thistle]

me when i have dopamine in my body

[royal arch]

i want some

[young mango]

true

[rose thistle]

Tammie would you be able to test my mod on some other stages today?

[young mango]

sure what are you thinking about

[rose thistle]

idk just some other stuff
try it out on any general hard level of your choice and maybe give it a shot against extended long encounters sort of thing (horde mode or slayer gates or the like)

[young mango]

I might try it with Mars Core ML since that is a topic of discussion in general right now

[rose thistle]

baller

[young mango]

also would It help if I did a normal playthrough of it for comparison?

[rose thistle]

shore, couldn't hurt

[rose thistle]

if it's not too much to ask, could anyone get me a screenshot of the Unmaykr in the model viewer?

[azure oriole]

Have you acquired it?

If not if your in the fortress of doom go to near the portal and select the “level select” option then go back and complete slayer gates

Make sure you turn off cheat codes first though

[rose thistle]

I just don't wanna boot up the game lmao
was hoping someone might be able to nab one easily

I can just do it myself tho

[crisp marsh]

Bro Golden bounty lord is so worth it like beating horde mode on nightmare is easy af and it gives u the best skin in the game

[unreal flare]

Finally got the Unmaykr hell yeah

btw is anyone struggling to connect to Bethesda.net right now?

[stable mantle]

Yes

[stable mantle]

It the best

[unreal flare]

I've heard it's not great in this game

[stable mantle]

It depends which level it can ruin the fun when you feel like glory killing demons but it’s also really helpful when your up against the icon of sin

[rose thistle]

uhh
no it's not

[stable mantle]

Debends

[rose thistle]

the Unmaykr is dubious in use case at best but it is definitely not good against the Icon

it does like a third of its normal damage against it and still leaves you to deal with everything around you

vs just using the BFG (which they shower you in ammo for) which insta-kills any body part it hits and clears out every enemy in the arena while it's at it

[stable mantle]

True

You make a good point

[rose thistle]

it would be pretty good against the icon if they didn't like
specifically go out of their way to neuter it lol

[stable mantle]

Yes

I have to try using the bfg against the icon

[raw plank]

the unmaykr works good on moving bosses like the khan maykr. it’s hard to hit the bfg on her since she’s always moving around

[stable mantle]

Yes I would say so she is always spinning around and throwing those little things

[rose thistle]

(the Khan also takes mega reduced damage from the Unmaykr)

every boss does lol
they also all take extra damage from the BFG 😭

but it doesn't matter anyway because the Khan dies in like 2 rocket lock ons anyway

like literally they just eat here
it's kinda funny

[steady stratus]

Any chance can zone be my friend

Can someone be in my friend

[nocturne lynx]

Problem is that her shield in general is weak and the Unmaykr is a waste of ammunition as a result.

[vale pebble]

I'll be your friend :3

[empty basin]

The Unmaykr is only good if you're judging it in a vacuum

when you consider the other options, i.e. actually playing the game, it solidifies itself as nothing more than just a trophy

[rose thistle]

The Unmaykr is a very powerful weapon
It's just all the other weapons are more powerful

[nocturne lynx]

Combat Shotgun and Plasma Rifle are weaker.

Ammo is just a lot more prevalent for them.

[rose thistle]

I mean
I'm pretty sure the Unmaykr has the best raw DPS in a vacuum yeah

if not it's pretty up there

the ammo is the limiting factor
well that and the whole every boss having massive resistance to it thing

[young mango]

takes 5 shots from unmaykr to match one round of LOB lol

https://youtu.be/rq5DL0btAq4?si=ZPN4a7deTIwd6dYH

[rose thistle]

hey I said raw dps, combos are cheating!

[glossy warren]

.

[nocturne lynx]

Calculating by raw DPS is by itself in a vacuum.

Never mind that the BFG does similar damage to a lot more demons in one shot.

Or that raw DPS is worthless outside the base campaign.

[strange gale]

dps is worthless in a game that's decidedly about single hits rather than sustained fire

[rose thistle]

ture...

[rose thistle]

would anyone be interested in playtesting my mod? Ideally people who are good enough to play nightmare and familiar with its overall feel but not like, dedicated masters who can use UN shotgun only as a warmup
Tammie's been giving it a go but I'm not positive how much I can glimpse from them on how it impacts the relationship between losing and gaining health when they don't take damage to begin with 😅

it's in #eternal-modding message if anyone's interested

[low grove]

I love doom

[azure oriole]

If my pc could run the game I'd playtest everybody's mods....

[young mango]

bro really thinks he’s veran eno

[long isle]

Does anyone wanna play doom with me?

[azure oriole]

Alright. So the list would be:

Make Unmakyr a proper laser spam murder gun.

Delete Full Auto mod and replace Combat Shotgun base fire with Full Auto.

Delete Savagery as a Rune and make it base speed.

Right. Also to fix the silly spreadshot pattern for a precision power weapon.

[rich lagoon]

I also love doom

[low grove]

Yay

[rich lagoon]

I hope the next doom has split screen campaign and death match like the first 2

[lofty estuary]

slayer vs slayer at some point

[rose thistle]

You making a mod goal list? Lol

Also
Didn't Savagery boost chainsaw and berserk kills in 2016? It doesn't here, does it?

[empty basin]

it does boost berserk yeah, can't remember about chainsaw

I did try seeing if it's possible to make it also affect berserk powerup kills, but the game just didn't have the necessary parameter for it

[rose thistle]

Either I'm reading something wrong or you contradicted yourself

[empty basin]

I mean making an eternal mod for it

[rose thistle]

Did you mean "doesn't" here or

[empty basin]

Oh I answered your first question

[rose thistle]

Ah ok

[rose thistle]

Oh btw actually

https://gamebanana.com/mods/508335
I've kinda already taken the matter into my own hands

[kind lagoon]

Do you guys know what the console command is for the pistol

[young mango]

g_enablepistol 1 , note this does not work current patch, it was removed from the games files

[spring panther]

was replaying sentinel prime and was able to pull off an instakill bulldoze on the second phase gladiator

[spring panther]

full auto would only be good if something along the lines of 2016's chaingun incendiary rounds as its mastery instead of shotgun ammo resupply

[azure oriole]

Nah

[spring panther]

i mean increased damage at max firerate is kinda nice

[rose thistle]

Full auto doesn't spin up though? It just goes

[spring panther]

full auto has a firerate rampup though

[rose thistle]

...are you sure?

[spring panther]

yes

or its just the audio making it sound like a firerate rampup

yeah its just audio performing some trickery

[azure oriole]

The combat shotgun is just sad really.

[strange gale]

oh no, the gun you start the game with isn't good against super heavies :(

[azure oriole]

That's cute glask.

[young mango]

all you do is yap

stop trying to start arguments with people

your main problem is you never know when to admit you’re wrong

[azure oriole]

Anyways the combat shotgun is only good for spamming bombs most of the time.

Can barely kill an imp within dash distance when on controller.

[strange gale]

did you ever stop to think that maybe the developers simply don't want you to use the base fire

besides, having multiple ways to stagger fodder enemies in a game focused on restacking is good

[young mango]

the only enemies you encounter while you have base fire are tier 1 zombies, I doubt it was intended for late game

[empty basin]

I think "the weapon you start with becomes obsolete as you progress through the game" is a pretty universal gameplay design decision across many games

Like in classic Doom, you're not gonna see normal players using the Pistol for damage unless they want to conserve ammo or something

[azure oriole]

It feels bad. That's the reason. The arsenal even lists gibbing fodder as its bonus.

[strange gale]

i'd say it delivers on this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/504714848194527236/1231140030475407401/image.png

[empty basin]

It's why they removed the Pistol in Eternal, because the Combat Shotgun already fills the role of a starting weapon as is

[strange gale]

you're forced to pick up either stickies or full auto before fighting your first imp

[empty basin]

It does everything it needs as an intro weapon, such as being a fodder clearer, teaching the game's low ammo count, etc.

Which makes the opinion of "Man they should've kept the pistol" being thrown around when the game was first released to be hilarious

Like as if those same players actually used the pistol in 2016

[young mango]

hey remember when this guy said this? With perfect grammar? Also the arabic numerals are pretty much used globally

[azure oriole]

Yes this all very serious business.

[strange gale]

we wouldn't have 0 without the mesopotamians either 😨

[empty basin]

I remember the really annoying "Pop the Balloon" challenge in 2016

dealing the finishing blow to a Mancubus with the pistol

god that was hell

Straight up torture of a challenge

[rose thistle]

Well it's also ass design

It works in classic doom because the naps are designed to be beatable pistol start
Sure it may be inferior to every other weapon but you don't always have every other weapon

Compared to something like Eternal where the progression is as soon as you're a little ways into the game you never use this thing again

[young mango]

well to be fair in classic doom you can just kill a shotgunner if there is one and immediately have a decent weapon at your disposal, it’s not the BEST option but id say it’s like if you could kill an enemy in doom eternal for a ballista

[rose thistle]

Also, on classic doom
You remember the shotgun there? That thing was awesome!
Like, it was a functional useable weapon
Even if the SSG was usually preferable, it had enough strengths to hold a niche

[rose thistle]

True, but you don't always have a shotgunner right off the bat
Finding a weapon is a legitimate part of the progression, and even once you got something else you might still need to use the pistol some until you had more ammo or whatnot

[young mango]

to be fair these games have no similarity other than name and theme, they’re like 25 years apart in when they were made and done by a completely different development team in a debatably different subgenre

[rose thistle]

The classic doom pistol unironically serves more purpose than the DE shotgun lol

Also very true

[young mango]

so I’m saying it feels a bit silly to compare them sometimes

[rose thistle]

Still
I feel like "yeah this thing you have which is given equal importance in presentation as all the other things is pretty much useless after the first level" is pretty lame design

[strange gale]

ok but what if the csg simply serves a different niche now

you don't really have any other aoe tools for staggering fodder

bp kills, rockets kill, heat blast kills

[rose thistle]

Also I disagree, there are plenty of games with respect first weapons
Dead Space comes to mind

[strange gale]

staggering blaster soldiers from range? i'd argue stickies are the best tool for that

[rose thistle]

The CSG isn't really effective at that though. It's really inconsistent at staggering fodder and its spread isn't that wide either
Like you might be able to stagger two zombies or imps if they're right on top of each other but even that's a bit of a gamble

[strange gale]

by csg, do you mean just the base fire or everything the weapon has to offer? that hasn't been clarified

[rose thistle]

Base fire
Stickies are good, yeah

[young mango]

they’re also good as basically an alternative to precision bolt when clearing fodder, it’s good especially during the purple goo fountain encounter where you can clear the fodder hardly aiming, and not use rocket ammo ( which is required for the next rooms routing )

[azure oriole]

the main reason to use the gun yeah

[strange gale]

ok so then consider that sticky bombs serve pretty much exactly the same purpose as the shotgun in doom 1 and 2

the niche of a low damage workhorse has simply been given to sticky bombs instead of the base fire

[rose thistle]

Well my opinion is that the shotgun, one of the most iconic weapons of all time, should be useful as a shotgun, not just a grenade launcher!

https://gamebanana.com/mods/505371
Much like the Unmaykr, this is something I have taken into my own hands....

[young mango]

that’s a slippery slope to make, like maybe the plasma rifle shouldn’t be a peashooter, maybe the rocket launcher shouldn’t be a heat seeking missile, maybe the super shotgun shouldn’t be a grappling hook, but they are, and not much we can do

[rose thistle]

Ohhoho but there is something we can do, and I have done it.....

[azure oriole]

you bother replacing the base fire sound effect?

[rose thistle]

Also I disagree on that last point. I think more weapons should be grappling hooks, in fact.
(Partially joking, partially a genuine feeling that the meathook would frankly work better as just a movement ability rather than being tied to the SSG)

[rose thistle]

No, that never crossed my mind

[azure oriole]

Hm.

[young mango]

I’m not saying any of these are bad changes, I’m just saying much of the design philosophy has changed and to nitpick one thing is silly

[rose thistle]

Why do you feel it should be changed?
The sound effect

[rose thistle]

It's less a nitpick and more "this sucks! What the hell!"

[azure oriole]

It feels as weak as the base fire.

2016 did it better and that game had fall damage for some reason.

[rose thistle]

That's such a funny sentence

[azure oriole]

Well not really damage since it just decides to kill you but still.

[rose thistle]

Anyway I'm sure there's a mod around that changes it into something you'd like better.

[strange gale]

personally, i enjoy how it feels to break the hook by deadswapping

[young mango]

yes vro you are guaranteed to not hookjump

[strange gale]

the hook is already busted as is, i don't think we need that change

[spring panther]

horde mode on a different difficulty first gun obtained is the chaingun

[rose thistle]

I mean more from a broad perspective than around balance

[spring panther]

bulldozer abuse about to go crazy

[young mango]

oh you are familiar with how to bulldozer? That’s cool

[spring panther]

i got a gladiator instakill on console while bulldozing

[strange gale]

being forced to commit to holding ssg for at least a moment is good, because while you're looking for something to hook, you can't really deal with mid to long range threats which the hook is really good at countering

[spring panther]

peak chaingun

[young mango]

which phase?

[spring panther]

2

[young mango]

that’s wack, 250 flat doesn’t even instakill a possessed tyrant, 120 is the peak I’ve heard consoles can go

[spring panther]

he was at 12.5k hp remaining though

[young mango]

and for a frame dependent tech that’s crazy vro

That makes more sense

[strange gale]

ok but 120 with chrono

[rose thistle]

...doesn't that make it not an insta kill?

[spring panther]

if i did that in phase 1 it would have

[young mango]

yea I was using chrono on the possessed tyrant, the best I can do with a normal bulldozer is liek a full health baron instakill, am I doing something wrong?

[strange gale]

phase 1 is 15k, phase 2 is 25k

[young mango]

actually it seems quite inconsistent now that I think about it, I can easily do bulldozer with no timeslow on dark Lord phase 1, 4, and 5. where his health pool is 20000 and it would do more than halve it if there wasn’t a hammer damage cap on 6.0 onwards

[spring panther]

bulldozer is very inconsistent

sometimes i only get 1k damage and sometimes i get over 10k

[empty basin]

I'm not saying that all games with weapon variety always have their first weapon go obsolete, it's just that designing the first weapon to be completely relevant throughout the entire game is not really a priority for most game designers when making a game like this

Making the weapon have an "alternate fire" that makes the weapon still stay somewhat relevant is already good enough, which in the case of Combat Shotgun, is provided by the Sticky Bombs

[azure oriole]

Meh.

[empty basin]

Obligatory Ultrakill mention, the Pistol's primary fire there by itself becomes worthless as a direct way to deal damage just 3 levels in, but the weapon itself still stays relevant with its 3 alternate fires and weapon synergies like Core Sniping.

[placid robin]

uh... im not getting any points in horde mode, wasted an entire gold multiplier

are they an archviles resurrected monsters?

[austere bronze]

is 270k points an acceptable score for the first time completing horde mode?

[lyric lodge]

I wouldnt see why not

[young mango]

yea that’s good

you can be fairly good at the game and still not get too high of a score, I did the whole thing deathless once and barely got over 300k, it takes more than raw skill; it takes actually understanding the goofy arcade mechanics

[austere bronze]

yea, I guessed that after seeing that someone had almost 500k points

[austere bronze]

(:

[azure oriole]

What’s bulldozer in DE?

cause I know there’s bullying for chain gun shield abuse

[sharp ingot]

How do I use mastery tokens

[lyric lodge]

Buy all upgrades of a weapon mid and you can use the token to skip the challenge needed for the mastery

[visual ridge]

hello :D

[austere bronze]

hello (:

[pearl viper]

Doesn't that mean you had to start from the beginning?

[exotic swan]

Does anyone wanna play battle mode

I can’t get any matches

[pearl viper]

Use quick match and wait about 10 minutes

[exotic swan]

Aight

[pearl viper]

I'd jump on battle mode, but I kinda play like a noobbaby right now because I changed all my key bindings and it's not pretty at all

Which part did you die on

Most of the problem I was having was he stoppes summoning wolves all the time so I couldn't charge my hammer. I just used my heavy cannon base fire to hit the fodder and glory kill.

Ya, you have to just wait him out

That's the whole problem, then he summons demons

take them out with the hammer

But he makes them a problem

[lyric lodge]

Not to mention bro constantly spawns them tyrants while i got no sentinel hammer on me

[pearl viper]

That's why you take the time to glory kill the fodder

Taken them out with the hammer, and I've noticed he usually always throws wolves at me right after

Thye have more than that because they don't die when I hit them with the heavy cannon base fire

I either snipe or ssg them

Usually I can kill them both in one shot

[visual ridge]

quickscoping Mayker's ppl (the ones that shoot out their head) is fun

[pearl viper]

Yeee the loot spray is fun to watch

[lyric lodge]

Free max hp too

[pearl viper]

There's 1 that spawns in Urdak that likes to glitch wiggle side to side tho and it's hard to hit.

[visual ridge]

real

I just killed the Figure of sin

[pearl viper]

The icon is a fun fight

Congrats on your win

[stable mantle]

👏

[rose thistle]

I got Slayer ranking my first time completing
I was not even out of bronze the whole way through and then the extra lives bonus at the end shot me halfway through silver, and the bfg bonus just blew everything put

(Again does anyone wanna help playtest my mod lol)
Looking for PC players who play on nightmare but still find it challenging
Like the "I could probably take on UN" "damn, UN got hands" level

[azure oriole]

Got past Hell on Earth in ultra nightmare

[jolly kernel]

@young mango Tyrants and Barons have damage resistance against lock-on rockets right

[halcyon remnant]

I just beat ancient gods 1 on Nightmare !!

[rose thistle]

@azure oriole @halcyon remnant y'all should test my mod 👀

[placid robin]

has anyone else encountered falling into the void on the last platformer stage in horde mode?

[azure oriole]

Idk how to install mods

[placid robin]

id send a video but i cant :p

shits happened to me twice now making me redo the whole third section

[rose thistle]

Lmao that happened to me

[placid robin]

yea..

[rose thistle]

It's real easy. I can help you through if you're down to try.

[azure oriole]

Sure why not

Need a second though I'm trying my first ultra nightmare run

[rose thistle]

Yeah dw

[austere bronze]

have you changed it anything from when I tested it?

[azure oriole]

I find it funny that the slayer decides to take a more direct approach to get to the core of mars

aka shoot a hole in mars

Hayden saying “You can’t just shoot a hole into the surface of mars” then the objective update that says “shoot a hole in mars”

Slayer is like “how about I do anyway”

[rose thistle]

No. I did have some ideas but idk of Tammie's gameplay is the best thing to make decisions on since they're cracked as hell lol

This person just trying UN... they are the perfect test subject.

[austere bronze]

shouldn't the more experienced the player make the better calls?

[rose thistle]

It's more that it's hard to judge if the health loss and recovery is well done when they hardly take damage at all 😅

[azure oriole]

Wait where's my save

I left the ultra nightmare run before dying

[austere bronze]

if you quit during the middle of a mission in UN the save is going to be deleted

[azure oriole]

Are you fucking serious

[austere bronze]

I can tell you that I definetely took damage when I tried the mod at least

[austere bronze]

yes

[azure oriole]

How is that fair?

I wasn't warned of this

[jolly kernel]

alt+f4 enters the chat

[azure oriole]

It said the level's progress would be deleted not the whole save

[azure oriole]

How is that any different

[jolly kernel]

||this is how I beat ultra-nightmare on both TAGs with saving throw||

[austere bronze]

kinda cheating ngl

[jolly kernel]

yes, but I don't care

[rose thistle]

Tammie found it harder on the Mars Core ML, but I think that's to be expected
It inherently will favour shorter encounters to longer ones more than vanilla, since it's based on you restocking in between fights more

[jolly kernel]

I just wanted to get those cool skins, it's the only reason I bother playing un

[spring panther]

doing tag2 on nightmare gives you weapon skins

[azure oriole]

Eh me too

[halcyon remnant]

Im on PS5 so i cant

[rose thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[jolly kernel]

when I get hit by what would be the killing blow and saving throw activates, I immediately pause the game and force quit with alt+f4

both saving throw and the latest checkpoint are still kept

[rose thistle]

??
They really let you get away with that?

[azure oriole]

Damn I wish I knew that

[austere bronze]

nah, don't go and become a semi-cheater

[spring panther]

honestly when saving throw engages i just rush the tankiest demon and bulldoze it

[azure oriole]

Dude it's just a game, not the Olympics. What does it matter?

I cheated through high school and no one batted an eye

[rose thistle]

🤨

[austere bronze]

it doesn't matter, it's only that you will ruin the experience for yourself

[rose thistle]

Well that much is on them then

[spring panther]

extra life mode players when they discover horde mode

[rose thistle]

If they wanna ruin their experience who are we to stop them?
They make the judgement call for themselves

[azure oriole]

Thank you

[slow sigil]

it'd be a huge waste of time for themselves though

[rose thistle]

It's their time

[azure oriole]

I've played through the three campaigns without cheating several times over so I have the full experience down

[slow sigil]

and informing them is better for their time

[spring panther]

honestly horde mode is generally easy when you get your tools but its not so easy when all you have is a combat shotgun

[halcyon remnant]

I wish their was a Ultra nightmare mode for Horde mode but instead of Extra lifes it puts power ups in the next arena

[azure oriole]

It's an even bigger waste of time to make it to Final Sin on ultra nightmare and get killed

[slow sigil]

if you find UN a waste of time, then you just shouldn't actually do UN lol
Just play normal NM then as it's the same but less tedious

[rose thistle]

Well I think they're sufficiently informed
If they don't care for the real challenge and just wanna "complete" it for the skin, like
Whatever

[austere bronze]

horde mode is pretty easy since you have so many extra lives, getting a good score is harder

[spring panther]

the holt, round 5 wave 4 wouldn't be possible

[jolly kernel]

I took screenshots of my TAG un completions btw

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465235452148842518/1231303455067344956/782330_20240302161556_1.png?ex=663677b4&is=662402b4&hm=07674bbac32073312083e2353607e95e39cd3a68044f4ca1ad6f78119ce0ea28&

[austere bronze]

if you just wanna complete it you could just use console and do "killai" on every encounter

[halcyon remnant]

It would be possible though . . .

[azure oriole]

I want the skins and milestones

[rose thistle]

You could, yeah

[halcyon remnant]

How did you send photos ?

[slow sigil]

the skins are really not that good though

[rose thistle]

Though if it were me I'd use gibalicious 😋

[slow sigil]

and like, what do the milestones bring you except for the skin and sometimes a banner

[austere bronze]

everyone is saying how the holt slayer gate is really hard, makes me wanna try it

[rose thistle]

Link them

[jolly kernel]

this is why I want to play un in the first place
other than that I never would touch it

[azure oriole]

Exactly

[slow sigil]

if it's for the skin like... ok ig but you'll likely be dissapointed fast so bleh

[halcyon remnant]

How ?

[spring panther]

the only thing i have issues with is the double marauder buff totem turret shield

although i sometimes lose a life to the double spirit barons

[rose thistle]

It's a spectrum. They could fully cheat it if they really wanted like you said, but obviously they have something to gain from sorta fake-playing it as they're doing
I mean it's a videogame, they're not claiming to be the best. Long as they're doing what they want

[rose thistle]

You can try sending in #screenshots , right click and "copy link"

[spring panther]

anyway im currently doing tag1 on nightmare

[jolly kernel]

let's be honest: a lot of people use cheese strats to easily get otherwise hard achievements/unlockables in a game

[austere bronze]

how's it going so far?

[slow sigil]

for most achievments it's dumb too depending on how hard the cheese is, if you're not really achieving the achievment why do it at all?

[rose thistle]

Oh not this again

I'm gonna stop procrastinating and do my work, ping me if you wanna try out the mod lol

[jolly kernel]

what

[slow sigil]

guy doesn't like that the point of achievments is lost if you're not achieving them

[austere bronze]

aight, I'm gonna do the holt slayer gate for the first time now to see how hard it really is

[slow sigil]

assuming there is no real reward behind them like, an item that is actually ok

[halcyon remnant]

Destroyer blade should destroy the turrets guarding the totem then kill the marauders

[halcyon remnant]

Im on mobile though

[slow sigil]

hold it then or share link

[austere bronze]

just did the holt slayer gate and it felt underwhelming

might just be me who is out of touch with the normal game though

[halcyon remnant]

What diff did you do it on ?

[austere bronze]

nightmare

and yeah a possessed marauder might seem scary but it's just like a normal marauder with more hp

[halcyon remnant]

Try do it with the famine mode cheat code might make it more exiting

[jolly kernel]

TAG 1 initially didn't have any Possessed Marauders in the levels right

[halcyon remnant]

Yea

[austere bronze]

what does famine mode do?

[halcyon remnant]

U cant regain ammo from chainsaw

[austere bronze]

pretty sure I would just run out of ammo then

[halcyon remnant]

It only has Tyrants, Barons, Hell nights and Aracnotrons

And Pain elementals, Dread nights and Mancubi if you count the Saraphim fight

[jolly kernel]

I know the first Possessed enemy encountered in TAG 1 was a Baron instead of a Hell Knight

[halcyon remnant]

Yea but they changed it

[midnight sparrow]

I HATE THE POSSESSED PAIN ELEMENTAL RAHHHHHHHH

[austere bronze]

pretty sure it wasn't that much difference

[halcyon remnant]

It not that difficult once u know how to deal with it

[jolly kernel]

how different release day TAG 1 was compared to the last version?

[austere bronze]

possessed pain elemental is honestly pretty annoying, especially when pared with other enemies

[final hill]

Doom is fun

[austere bronze]

but possessed archviles are really annoying

[austere bronze]

yes.

[midnight sparrow]

Everything’s easier when you know how to deal with with it. On my first ever run of the Seraphim fight like 3 years ago my ass was STRUGGLING

[halcyon remnant]

Also does the Chaingun defence mod dash ram do the same damage on possesed demons ?

[midnight sparrow]

also just fuck Dread Knights in general with there stupid damage stack bug thing

[halcyon remnant]

Same

[jolly kernel]

what if a Spirit possesses another Spirit

[midnight sparrow]

0+0=0

[austere bronze]

not possible but would be funny

[halcyon remnant]

Keep distance and get a full lock on barrage on it then glory kill it

[austere bronze]

does anybody have an interesting challenge that ain't longer than like a mission?

[halcyon remnant]

Or use chain gun defence shield dash ram

[jolly kernel]

or even better
Spirit possessed Buff Totem

[austere bronze]

in modded levels there are totems that makes every demon just possessed

[midnight sparrow]

Ik how to deal with them I’m just saying I’ve lost runs to those things

[austere bronze]

in the last arena of unbalanced tormented earth there is a totem like that on the 3rd wave that is undestroyably until youre done

[halcyon remnant]

No but try Horde mode Nightmare but only use Combat shotgun

[halcyon remnant]

Same but to the hell nights slam attack from no where when im trying to 1 cycle a baron on UN Super gore nest master lvl

[austere bronze]

I actually tried that a long time ago and I got to about halfway through the second mission

maybe i should try it again

[austere bronze]

one cycle a baron?

[halcyon remnant]

yea

To get rid of it before it becomes a problem when im low

[austere bronze]

i just don't see how you one cycle a baron

you can one cycle a marauder, but a baron? huh?

he doesn't do cycles yk

yeah, I'm trying horde mode on nightmare with only sticky bombs

[halcyon remnant]

Oh sry i say ‘1 cycle’ by accident when i mean just kill it quickly

[austere bronze]

oh ok

I'm happy if i make it to the third mission

[halcyon remnant]

I think i was doing double Grenade+ ice bomb+ Chain gun turret instead of defence and then i died to the hell night

[austere bronze]

that's a lot of grenades for one baron of hell

[spring panther]

bulldozer

honest solution

[austere bronze]

@halcyon remnant I'm now at the last mission of horde mode and I've only lost one extra life and only used sticky bombs

though I have been skipping the extra waves...

[sharp ingot]

ight ty

[alpine pawn]

is there I way to unlock weapon mods after you finish the campaign?

[slow sigil]

yeah just... pick up the weaponmods?

[alpine pawn]

From where?

[slow sigil]

the levels

[alpine pawn]

You can replay them?

[slow sigil]

yeah ofc you can
unless you picked extra lives mode or ultraNightmare

[empty basin]

go to mission select

[alpine pawn]

Nah I played on hurt me plenty

[alpine pawn]

Swag thanks

[austere bronze]

completed horde mode with only sticky bombs on nightmare and had 35 extra lives left (:

was kinda annoying to face a possessed marauder with only sticky bombs tho

[rose thistle]

💀

[lilac iris]

wtf

I barely manage to do the level myself right now

[austere bronze]

Fun fact: you can't stun a marauder with sticky bombs

[lilac iris]

You can

Its just a low percentage

[austere bronze]

Low percentage?

I at least never managed to stun him

[lilac iris]

My grandma came up from downstairs and jumpscared me so I died on the last bonus stage

Wow

[lilac iris]

On The Holt

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/5VC1n_aYRXs?si=Xh_yc3VhSiuw1Zij

[young mango]

yes, 1890 iirc

[jolly kernel]

does it make much difference compared to if they didn't have it?

let's say you kill a Tyrant with only lock-on rockets

[young mango]

I mean youre basically missing a whole rockets worth of damage, it’s a 33% resistance

[halcyon remnant]

I just did hell on earth on UN and is it true that the hardest UN levels are the first 3

Hell on earth, Exultia and Cultist base

[empty basin]

Yes, since your arsenal and upgrades are still lacking

If you can get through the first 3 levels, you can get through the rest

emphasis on "can", you'd still die if you choke

[austere bronze]

Lmao

Get grandma on doom🔥

[azure oriole]

I personally feel that Doom Hunter Base and Sentinel Prime are also about the same difficulty as those 3, but yes.

[lilac iris]

My russian grandma would say its bad because there is no AK47 i promise u

[lilac iris]

Sentinel Prime is harder because the goddamn Gladiator is hard to predict

[austere bronze]

Just say that the heavy cannon is modern ak47

[rich lagoon]

How many hours do you guys have in doom eternal?

[austere bronze]

I have 360 hours

[fierce lynx]

About 700 I think

[austere bronze]

Damn

[rich lagoon]

Holy moly lol I have 10 I got it last week

[glossy warren]

It’s not

[lilac iris]

I meant the hoppity hop hop rope

[lilac iris]

84 hours as of right now (7+ of them are from today )

[lofty estuary]

on ps5 over 100, switch 75

[young mango]

also the gladiator takes damage during his stagger animation, but not very much, you can use this to deal damage while he’s effectively a sitting duck, idk if dazed and confused contributes

[silk python]

almpst died fighting him on my UN run cuz i kept hitting his shield on when his eyes flashed green

fortunately i was able to pull though

[digital adder]

Yay I got gold super shottie and heavy cannon

[azure oriole]

None of them have any insanely difficult demons like Archie's and tyrants tho

[young mango]

doesn’t really matter when you’re super far from having full gear, having easier enemies makes sense when your arsenal isn’t to the point it is when you meet your first tyrant, if that’s your criteria for a difficult level that’s silly, imagine actually having to face a tyrant in Hell on Earth

also if you’re playing on nightmare a cacodemon bite does around 180 damage, hell on earth you only have 100 health and 50 armor, it’s a non argument when you’re defenseless and have very little offense to boot

saying what you said only makes sense if you had the same amount of Arsenal progression for both levels

[rose thistle]

Holy shit 180 damage

Here's something funny i just noticed
If the armour coefficient was 33% (like classic doom green armour), max stack at start game levels would wear out exactly at the same time.

[rose thistle]

@azure oriole are you able to test the mod now?

[azure oriole]

Fuck I completely forgot I'm sorry

I've been busy trynna beat this bitch ass UN run

Give me some more time so I can pass hell on earth

For the 5th time today

Nvm I died

About that mod?

[rose thistle]

Aight

[azure oriole]

What does it do?

[rose thistle]

It rebalances nightmare a bit. Enemies do a bit less damage but they drop less health and armour to compensate. I've also adjusted armour so it only absorbs a portion of your damage received rather than all of it

[azure oriole]

Oh

[rose thistle]

I'm trying to get some perspectives on how it feels and compares in difficulty to vanilla nightmare

[azure oriole]

How do I install mods?

[rose thistle]

Ok

https://wiki.eternalmods.com/books/1-how-to-install-mods/page/how-to-install-mods-doom-eternal
This page should cover everything

If you have trouble with anything feel free to ask me

[azure oriole]

Ok thanks

Is there a mod that unlocks those console commands for devs?

I saw a YouTuber, Raitro, use them in a no damage run once.

[rose thistle]

I think base console commands are unlocked automatically by the mod installation software, but there's also the Meath00k mod which adds even more

https://wiki.eternalmods.com/books/3-command-console

[azure oriole]

Ah ok

Should I verify the file integrity first?

[rose thistle]

before installing anything? doesn't hurt, probably a good idea yeah

[azure oriole]

Ok

[azure oriole]

alright its all verified and got mod injector downloaded

but which one do i put in?

i got a windows batch file, config, and application with the same name of eternalmodinjector

the config is eternalmodinjector.exe.config but you get it

[rose thistle]

run the batch file

[azure oriole]

ok

[azure oriole]

by this you mean that just with the mod injector i should get console commands?

[rose thistle]

I think

[azure oriole]

ok

starting a match now to test

[rose thistle]

yeah that's what it says on the wiki at least

Console Commands are unlocked by default after running the Eternal Mod Injector.

[azure oriole]

oh ok good thanks

Ok what the fuck

The "god" command brought me down to 20 health

Not even immortal

[young mango]

it does that to prevent cheese on UN

[azure oriole]

What the fuck is cheese

[young mango]

It means the devs made it so that when you enter “god” on nightmare it does that to you

[rose thistle]

verb (used with object),cheesed, chees·ing. (in a game, especially a video game) to win (a battle round) by using a strategy that requires minimal skill and knowledge or that exploits a glitch or flaw in game design: He cheesed the fight by trapping his enemy in the environment and attacking without taking damage.

[azure oriole]

Fuck

[rose thistle]

anyway, once you're done playing around with commands, you can download my mod from #eternal-modding message

[azure oriole]

Oh yeah sorry

I'll get on that soon

[rose thistle]

lol dw

[strange gale]

...which there's several workarounds for so it does nothing anyway

[azure oriole]

What workarounds?

[young mango]

yea I know, I’m just saying that’s the reason that it exists

g_damageScaleAitoSlayer 0

[rose thistle]

there's also a command that specifically just disables the health penalty on UN lol

pm_disableNightmareGodMode

[azure oriole]

Ayo I think it's working

[young mango]

use what adre said instead because you’ll still be effected by aim punch with my method

[azure oriole]

Also found a command that gives the entire arsenal of guns

[azure oriole]

Oh yeah

[rose thistle]

Aim punch?

[young mango]

silly thing where you get hit by an enemy and your crosshair moves

[rose thistle]

oh like your aim is getting punched around

[young mango]

it’s the bane of speedrunning I have no clue why it’s not a disableable feature

[rose thistle]

does it affect where you actually shoot or is it just the UI?

[young mango]

it affects where you actually shoot

[rose thistle]

damb

[azure oriole]

Do these commands stay on between levels like when I go to Exultia?

[young mango]

god mode doesn’t but the damage scaling should

[rose thistle]

so are you just gonna go through all of UN like this

because at that point you may as well just noclip through the levels lol

[azure oriole]

I would but I don't have meathook installed

[lilac iris]

Horde Mode is relatively easy on Nightmare aslong as you don't do the bonus rounds (especially the last one with two spirited barons of hell and two marauders)

[young mango]

it’s more of a hassle to do this then just exiting, installing meath00k, and coming back on

[rose thistle]

yeah meath00k is easy to set up

[young mango]

also for enemies/arenas you can’t skip don’t use “killai” it can fuck up progression sometimes, just do g_damageScaleAlltoAi ( insert absurdly high number here )

[lilac iris]

forgot the quadruple turret tower which is defending the buff totem too

[young mango]

dblade

[rose thistle]

you can dblade them??

how so?
like does it just kill them or is it like a partial charge to take out two exposed eyes at once thing

[young mango]

two charges is enough to kill a turret consistently ( one charge does 800 damage normally and doesn’t kill them so I’m led to believe that have a resistance towards it because precision bolt, two instances of 400 kills them ) but just use a full charge because you’ll get them all at once

[rose thistle]

you still have to hit the exposed eye tho right

[young mango]

yea but the turrets are very often exposed, it’s a very consistent tactic

[rose thistle]

I see...

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/oKRSSSa1Zx8?si=WrY0dErkDci8bNO2

i use the tactic around 1:06:36, i whiff it a bit but it ends up fine

[rose thistle]

you killed them so quickly I didn't even see them appear...

also I love how you just brute force through the stone imps instead of using full auto lol
it's that bad huh

[azure oriole]

Any way to deal with the nuisance that is the doom hunter double trouble faster?

[empty basin]

Blood Punch + SSG shot -> get 2 fodders to Glory Kill -> repeat

[azure oriole]

Yeah and there’s a lot of fodder running around aimlessly

[azure oriole]

Should I add a side of ice(ice bomb) to that drink of doom hunter destruction?

It’s not like it’s infinite

[lyric lodge]

Yuh

When you first spawn immediately bp the first doom hunter infront of you and freeze it then throw a frag whilst pb ssging

[rose thistle]

@azure oriole so uhh how's it goin?

[rose thistle]

👁️👁️

[hybrid drum]

anyone got any tips for ultra nightmare mode?

[rose thistle]

The Adre's Blessing unlock is pretty useful if you're on PC

[spring panther]

literally dont get hit

[lyric lodge]

dont die either

[austere bronze]

such wise words

[placid robin]

is the rune where you get a chance to get an extra life back if you kill the demon that killed you fast enough bugged or smth?

ive killed demons fast enough and like 5 times didnt get anything even if i killed them like half a second after they killed me

like bro wtf

[empty basin]

Are you sure you equipped the rune? Did you see an icon of the Extra Life icon with Hexagonal timer on it above the demon that killed you?

[dull herald]

they probably have the runes mixed up, i'd assume theyre talking about saving throw

the take back rune is a support rune from the first dlc

[pearl viper]

Play like there's no achievement.

[lyric lodge]

What are key tips to mastering air movement? I swear its a crucial part of doom eternal yet barely anyone on youtube goes in depth on it. Yeah meathook jumps but how does it work fundamentally? Why is it that pros seem to last longer in the air than I do? How do people consistently do it on console whilst needing to pull up the weapon wheel ultimately causing time loss?

[empty basin]

Meathook to something -> look slightly to the left or right -> switch to any weapon when you're somewhat on a high speed

[austere bronze]

I'm not an expert at movement but I try to utilise meathook nodes as much as possible and use them before latching onto enemies and when you're in the air just jump again and double dash

also jump pads help

[empty basin]

The meathook manually unlatching (either from pressing M2 again or getting close enough to the enemy) is what causes momentum loss, so the core here is to skip that part of the process

[lyric lodge]

Looking left or right detaches it right?

[empty basin]

no

[austere bronze]

yea and shooting with the SSG also decreases momentum since thatr also causes the meathook to unlatch

[lyric lodge]

mb for the typo, but looking away from the meathook detaches it right?

[empty basin]

I'm pretty sure it still stays attached as long as it's in your field of vision, also I forgot to mention to also press your strafe keys (left or right) to perform the swinging maneuver

[young mango]

also to add onto this, meathook nodes can give you good amounts of speed if you break it by switching to another weapon before it breaks on its own, manually, it’s locked to an effective 120FPS speed and cannot be affected by timeslow, also the thing about the meathook needing to be in your FOV isn’t entirely true, you can have it at angles that are pretty much backwards, as long as the slayers hitbox doesn’t touch it

[lyric lodge]

What about just meathook jumping off an enemy to pb rocket? Im having a bit of trounle figuring out what youre trying to tell me 😅

[young mango]

basically you can maintain your speed off a meathook node by switching to a different weapon before it hookjumps ( breaking on its own ), jumping, shooting, and pressing M2 again just activate the hookjump prematurely

[lyric lodge]

Alright, thanks. Whats an alternative if i dont have meathook nodes around?

[young mango]

well it's preferred you use enemies, i was just telling you a way to make meathook nodes more useful

[lyric lodge]

Are there efficient ways to stay in the air longer from meathooking an enemy?

[young mango]

yea, meathooking basically gives you a second double jump, one when you break off of the hook, and another when you're off it, dashing mid air helps to, perhaps timing the second dash when your first dash starts having gravity applied to it

[placid robin]

yes, ive gotten lifes back multiple times but sometimes it just doesnt work lol

[placid robin]

i can send some vids in videos

[unreal trench]

how I love dying TWICE on the very last round of nightmare horde mode

[stoic spade]

[unreal trench]

3rd time must work, right?

[stoic spade]

Yeah

[azure oriole]

How do you break meat hook without losing momentum

[azure oriole]

Also what’s PB?

[austere bronze]

precision bolt

[azure oriole]

K

[young mango]

switch to a different weapon before the hook ends

[silk python]

oughh i died on urdak in UN

cacodemon killed me while i was dealing with 2 barons

i think im gonna take a break before i re run again

[lilac iris]

I died to the double spirited barons of hell because my grandma walked in and scared me shitless

I feel like UN is even hard as long as you don't do the slayer gates

[austere bronze]

dang, that's really unfortunate

I personally have never gotten past cultist base

[twilit shale]

lol ive beatin the whole thing on UN

[rose thistle]

why would you do the slayer gates on UN

[austere bronze]

nicee

I haven't focused on UN anything tbh

[twilit shale]

it was hella hard tho

[austere bronze]

no idea

[austere bronze]

how many hours did it take?

[twilit shale]

23

[austere bronze]

damn, that's really quick

was the just the successful run or all the tries?

[azure oriole]

There is essentially no reason to. The unmakyr is useless and the extra weapon points don't really do much as you have all of your weapons fully upgraded by the end anyway

All your useful weapons that is

[twilit shale]

yes

[twilit shale]

the unmykr is qwite helpful actually when ur in sticky situations

[austere bronze]

yes just the successful run or yes all the tries?

[austere bronze]

no it really aint

[twilit shale]

suceesful run

[azure oriole]

Not more useful than the BFG

[spring panther]

to have unmaykr overdrive once more

[austere bronze]

oh alright

[twilit shale]

some times

[twilit shale]

true

[austere bronze]

first I thought it was all the tries

[twilit shale]

nah i aint that gangsta

[austere bronze]

there are just better options when in sticky situations

[glossy warren]

makyr suck

[rose thistle]

that's it I'm taking matters into my own hands
gonna play TAG1 with my mod and see how it feels

[austere bronze]

why haven't you tried it out for yourself yet?

[rose thistle]

I haven't had time to play the game lol

and also, idk how well I could test it. I haven't played a ton of nightmare myself so I'm not confident in being able to compare the modded difficulty to it

[austere bronze]

ah, understandable

[rose thistle]

wow I am rusty as FUCK

[austere bronze]

can not relate, I've been playing pretty consitently for a few months now

[silk python]

i like doin it, even if it isnt necessary

the slayer gates dont give me trouble and its free weapon points

i could care less about the unmakyr, never once used it

is there even a scenario in which the unmakyr would work in

[rose thistle]

it can take out an archvile with less ammo than the BFG would use

admittedly it doesn't also kill everything else in the room for free, but

and it's also slower than regular quickswappiong, but

[austere bronze]

but you have to stand right in front of it and it only damages the archvile where the BFG would kill almost the entire arena

[rose thistle]

if you had to take out exactly 3 archviles, and you only had access to the Unmaykr and BFG
the Unmaykr would definitely be the better choice

[austere bronze]

really? the BFG would damage all 3 archviles at the same time

and you wouldn't have to get up close

[rose thistle]

superheavies take massively reduced damage from the BFG tendrils

[young mango]

30 unmaykr deals the same as 30 BFG in this situation no?

6000 x 3 = 18000
BFG manages to kill all three archviles with a good angle
30 x 600 = 18000

[rose thistle]

I've definitely killed Archviles with less than 30 unmaykrs shots before

oh fuck yeah splash damage

3 archviles one at a time
then the unmaykr can really shine

[austere bronze]

yes

but the unmaykr is still useless

[rose thistle]

wdym
we just established it's optimal in this one hypothetical completely unrealistic situation

[austere bronze]

oh yeah, my bad

[timid summit]

Can anyone on PlayStation help me and my friend get the online trophies in battlemode

[storm field]

ı only do slayer gate for weapon point on UN exultia and cultist base slayer gate

unmaykr is useless

But unmaykr gives BFG ammo(if the BFG ammo is 0)when you getting in ship

[rose thistle]

ok I finished UAC Atlanta with my mod

thoughts:
this game is pretty fun
I have no idea if that was harder or easier than regular nightmare because I haven't played that very much or in a while

[austere bronze]

I agree, this game is pretty fun

[azure oriole]

When I think of you making this mod I think of Jack Skellington trying to recreate Christmas. During your test I picture you were probably like:
"Data collected. But what does it mean?"

[rose thistle]

That doesn't paint a great picture for my odds of success lol

[untold root]

Doom eternal is a great game I just think there should be unmaykr skins

[slow sigil]

there are

[azure oriole]

Its not like you'd ever see them

[rose thistle]

There aren't

[slow sigil]

ok, i read that as just makyr skins somehow my brain filtered of the un

[strange gale]

because it's fun

[azure oriole]

sgn ml classic mode
light work

[rose thistle]

What if classic modes started you with the pistol

[inland kite]

okay doom eternal

crashes my game while im on the first mission

[rose thistle]

Skill issue

Do you have any mods or anything?

[pearl viper]

Turn off present from compute in video settings.

[rose thistle]

Hrngh... need playtesters.....

[pearl viper]

I'm personally not ready for mods yet

[inland kite]

Im a vanilla player

I dont download mods

[azure oriole]

i eated a ballistic dummy with cermaic composite body armor 🥺

[azure oriole]

Energy shield on chain gun is just

Broken

I think it's intact actually

[rose thistle]

Yeah the issue is it doesn't break easily enough

[young mango]

how light? kek

[azure oriole]

Bro just pull a jack Skellington and kidnap them. Problem solved.

[azure oriole]

pretty light tbh (||i did it on itytd ;-;||)

but jesus that double tyrant+doom hunter room is crazy

[azure oriole]

is it possible to connect a pc to a tv and also a ps4 contorller to a pc, so I can play on the tv with the controls im used to and also use mods

[young mango]

Yes

[azure oriole]

mayhaps i procure a verbal explanation which encaplsulates the required information to iniate such an action

[vocal folio]

I finished TAG 2 months ago and as time goes by, I appreciate my time with DOOM Eternal even more. Not even the almighty Elden Ring can make me forget how satisfying Eternal's complex gameplay loop was.

[azure oriole]

what was the BFG even shooting at during the mars core mission

[young mango]

stray cacodemons

[empty basin]

It's kind of weird that they didn't make a clear target for such an amazing setpiece but it is what it is

The popular conclusion is just a swarm of Cacos yeah, and probably also Pain Elementals

[glossy warren]

What a waste

[azure oriole]

Using a planet cracker on some meatballs is just a ritual to appease the trailer gods, as was Doomguy stealing soldier boy's plasma rifle for no reason.

im gonna start doing 60 pushups every time i die on ultra nightmare

@azure oriole how does the UAC access argent energy to fire the bfg

[azure oriole]

It is really nice to see an Archville speedwalk away from a direct BFG shot.

it seems like it would be pretty hard to precicesly hit a meatball with teeth with such a massive beam

[young mango]

archviles can’t even walk, they can only teleport

[azure oriole]

Nah I saw that mf skedaddle

[azure oriole]

Within a year after the events of 2016 Hayden devised Argent-Synthesis, basically synthesizing Argent Energy from the Demonic Crucible from 2016. This is essentially the perfect cure to the energy crisis, if not for demons invading Earth.

All of the ARC's technology runs on synthesized Argent.

i never played 2016 and part of me wants to and part of me thinks the older graphics are going to be weird to expeirence 💀

[young mango]

we’re cooked

absolutely cooked that 2016 is being called “older graphics”

has it really been that long guys

I’m redownloading 2016 just out of pity right now😢

[vale pebble]

call of duty waw is from 2008 and the graphics are still very impressive

[empty basin]

My guy, the graphics jump from 2016 to 2020 isn't as huge as 1993 to 2007 😭

[austere bronze]

Didn't you have like over 200 hours in eternal?

[pearl viper]

Yes. I changed my key bindings and am relearning how to play like I just started T-T

[austere bronze]

Dang, you still haven't gotten used to the new binds?

[pearl viper]

Not yet, I also had to make small changes too like flame on down scroll and grenades on up. That's really comfortable now, but then I have ssg on F and ballista on C and I keep hitting B which is chainsaw

[austere bronze]

Oh, well, good luck

I've only changed binds for my weapons and chainsaw

[unreal flare]

I changed most of my binds to use ESDF instead of ZQSD (which is WASD on French keyboards)

I put the light weapons on the left, the heavy weapons on the right and the super heavy weapons at the top

V to dash, C to punch, X to chainsaw

Flame Belch on Z (which would be your W) and grenades on R

I change mods with mouse4 and grenade types with mouse5

[austere bronze]

You remind me that I’ve changed weapon wheel and mod switch too

[pearl viper]

Wasd is also on US keyboards, but that's what I use. I don't see a need personally to chance to esdf.

[prime raft]

yo question if ya make a private match do ya need three ppl or can it just start with two?

[empty basin]

Finally played Eternal again after a break from completing KaiserCampaign and getting a fever, man I can totally feel the rust

It was just a week

[tame topaz]

it's weird, for a second I was all 'wow this game is lame, why did the add extra lives? why did they add so many weapons when I only use a few that are really strong?'

the brainrot almost got to me.

[lyric lodge]

@young mango is this a good under the mayo vid https://youtu.be/ng8z2devbIU?si=CJUwmGjdDKR6exur

[young mango]

20 seconds I’ll I heard “skips in a few key areas” skips? Isn’t this the guy who whined speedrunners are elitists? oh well I’ll try listening to his video just to see if he says anything valuable

[lyric lodge]

😭🙏

[young mango]

watched the rest of the video, it’s not very helpful I don’t think, he shows like 3 specific instances in a row just saying “yea I like to do (blank)” and then never actually makes it a tutorial on the meathook

he gives like very surface level knowledge like “oh yea you can double jump after it” but that’s about it

[young mango]

this guy probably goes way more in depth then you’d be looking for but I’d say it’s better to overlearn then to underlearn https://youtu.be/L_4smbKMr_8?si=knG7IDfXmDvv5mTv

[pearl viper]

I find it hard find a lot of videos where someone goes in depth with things like this. It's called "knowledgeland" where someone who knows isn't going to know how much to give because they know it so well, so you get a basic explanation.

[empty basin]

It only touched on the super basic parts of the weapon, but the video is made just short of a month after the game comes up so I don't think there was really much for him to talk about in the first place

[pearl viper]

I've been looking at "Learn how to aim" videos and most of them say "eat right, get sleep, move your arm, use an aim trainer."

[young mango]

I love how it’s so early on that he just starts making terms up because they don’t exist yet so you see him awkwardly referring to it as something nobody else has ever called it

[lyric lodge]

Ight, i'll save it thanks alot

[jolly kernel]

I wonder if Mayo’s Brawler Mode is fun or boring

it bans a lot of the good weapons and weapon mods

all superweapons, sticky bombs, precision bolt, energy shield, both plasma rifle mods, lock-on rockets, fast reload for super shotgun

it also bans thing like crystal upgrades (except for health once), extra lives and even the ice grenade

[young mango]

people need to learn to make rulesets that are actually fun to play

you can make it very difficult for the player without removing literally everything

[jolly kernel]

seems like Brawler Mode does nothing but just remove the actually good and fun features and weapon mods

[young mango]

fast reload for the super shotgun makes sense though considering it doesn’t have a global cooldown, hardly anybody does two shots in a row without switching anyways

[jolly kernel]

I bet no one uses the micro missiles, remote detonation rockets and full auto shotgun which are what Mayo wants players to use