doom-eternal

[austere bronze]

He probably mean that he can only fire the ballista 3 times usually

[lost wren]

Yes

[austere bronze]

But that is just because the ballista takes up 25 ammo

[young mango]

when the rapid fire weapon can fire more shots than a burst weapon😱😱😱

[lost wren]

I love the weapons in this though

[young mango]

yea having more shots doesn’t matter when they deal 45 a piece as opposed to 860

[austere bronze]

Very rare indeed

[young mango]

that doesn’t make sense either because you get 135 ammo from a chainsaw when you have max stats, that’s 5 shots even if you started on 0 ammo😭

[lost wren]

Destroyer blade also has a change up

[young mango]

and heatblast doesn’t lol?

[strange gale]

chainsawing is always a 50% refill of your current max ammo (rounded up, except for rockets which are rounded down) which you're able to do every 30 seconds so i don't really see how ballista ammo is "rare"

[lost wren]

OKAY GET OFF NUTS

[young mango]

?

[lost wren]

Easier movement during chargeup

[lost wren]

Ok dork 🤓

Don’t mean that personally or as an insult btw

[strange gale]

you can use said movement options you just mentioned to negate the destroyer blade slowdown

[lost wren]

Ok fair

But then field of vision is limited

[strange gale]

i think you're confusing destroyer blade with arbalest, which doesn't limit your movement but does change your fov

[lost wren]

Oh yea yea you’re right I am

[young mango]

even if you don’t know how to bunnyhop you could like throw down a frag grenade or something, and during my explanation i was comparing it to a 4x damage Yeetblast, normally heat blast is only 700 damage, 75 ammo for like 29% the damage of a dblade is bad, and realistically in a Yeetblast you’d need to continuously fire, so unless your timing your stuff really well you’ll end up using even more than 75

[lost wren]

My fault loool . I should use dblade neat hook more often

Also ice bomb without all those slayer gates are much harder

[lost wren]

You’re so passionate about this I love it 😂😂

[lost wren]

True true. I guess I have a play style where I’m just constantly moving around and creating distance before using gadgets. Relying on that more than weapon combos cl sometimes lol

[vocal walrus]

hi

[lost wren]

Irrelevant but man my girl’s been acting strange

[lost wren]

What’s up fella??

[austere bronze]

Can't be bothered to argue further over someones phrasing

[tranquil narwhal]

I have a legitimate question that I need serious answers to

Is it ok for someone to play on im too young to die with cheat codes knowing that they could easily do a harder game mode

[austere bronze]

Yes, the game is supposed to be fun

Do whatever you want as long as you have fun

[young mango]

doesn’t matter but do know that cheat codes only work upon mission select

[tranquil narwhal]

Yes

[rose thistle]

you can but if you do the ghost of hugo martin will show up in your bedroom at 3AM

(he is lonely)

[tranquil narwhal]

I’ll just give him a hug 🙂

[swift elm]

technically they do BUT (now this is a big BUT) they use up more ammo so for example if a weapon shares ammo with a weapon which was 200 ammo but said weapon uses 50 ammo that other weapon will lose 50 ammo

[swift elm]

no enemies fr

[young mango]

i do not know why you are choosing to explain this as if it a foreign concept to me but i'll take it

[swift elm]

nah i meant it more so to the other guy

i accidentally replied to u

[swift elm]

@lost wren

[vocal walrus]

fella is friend, or no?

[azure oriole]

Everyone knows speedrunners don't have object permanence 🙄

[lost wren]

Right exactly. Let's just call it good game design lol.

[lost wren]

Could be, that's up to you lol

[azure oriole]

An surprisingly good weapon combo is Micro Missiles+Sticky Bomb, it just feels so satisfying to use and it can destroy weakpoints without needing the Precision Bolt

[young mango]

bait used to be believable

[strange gale]

i'm tired, boss

[vocal walrus]

...

[random vault]

dot dot dot

[vocal walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1189240220772737195.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=emoji_2

[strange gale]

the real joke is giving a shit about weakpoints in the first place

[young mango]

if you’re doing micro missiles sticky I guarantee your damage output is so low that hitting weakpoints actually becomes a concern again

[graceful apex]

Do any of you ever play the game with the "Doom Classic" Render Mode, Classic Weapons Sound Pack, and Classic Weapon Pose enabled all at once?

[gray thunder]

Not gonna lie I just use the mobile turret on heavies and super heavies

[gray thunder]

Nope

[unreal flare]

Nah I just play with Classic Weapon Pose

I love me some good old Classic Doom but it's time to move on

[graceful apex]

It's actually really fun to do if you're a huge Classic Doom nut

[unreal flare]

Classic Weapon Pose is definitely a part of Doom's identity to me so I keep that on

[unreal flare]

I am but I don't think I wanna hear Classic Doom sfx for a while after playing Doom and Doom II three times back to back, then Final Doom, then Doom 64 all the while experiencing burnout for playing so much Classic Doom

Doom 2016 and Eternal have been hitting in their own kind of way and I would want nothing less for Modern Doom

[young mango]

that’s about 2,087.04DPS, and mobile turret from max to empty ammo is 15,652.8 damage, which sounds like a lot but heavy cannon base fire from max to empty is 11,700 damage, the only advantage mobile turret is it’s sheer DPS, but it chews through ammo like no tomorrow. You’re better off cycling between super shotgun and another weapon, point blank SSG is 1600 per shot, which means instantaneously instead of in one second youve achieved 77% of the MTs DPS

[rose thistle]

I did 1 playthrough with classic sfx then said bye

[graceful apex]

I lucked out with the Classic Weapons Sound Pack, cuz I got the regular version of the base game, and I didn't want to buy the Deluxe Edition just to get the Sound Pack, but luckily the Deluxe Edition was on sale for cheaper than the DLC usually costs when it was time for me to pick up the DLC, so I ended up getting the sound pack without wasting my money

[rose thistle]

Idk why anyone would touch any of those render modes, they all just make the game ugly

[young mango]

for the meme, do you genuinely think anybodies ever going to play with the GBA mode lel?

[graceful apex]

But they're fun tho

[unreal flare]

Actually, question: what is the Classic Render Mode?

[young mango]

we need a challenge run of it played on a render mode

[unreal flare]

I don't think I've seen that in my options

[graceful apex]

The GB, not GBA

[young mango]

Same thing

[graceful apex]

No it isn't

[young mango]

It might as well be, I’m not going to get into semantics dude

[graceful apex]

Game Boy and Game Boy Advance are two completely different systems

[young mango]

I know that dude oh my god

fuck man you know I can’t even make a joke anymore because everybody’s always gotta correct it and make some arbitrary argument about semantics

[rose thistle]

Holy dude chill

[unreal flare]

It really isn't that deep though lmao

I don't think any of us thought of it as a joke

[rose thistle]

I mean they were right, you could have just said "yeah yeah whatever" instead of doubling down

[young mango]

I’m not doubling down I know I was wrong but it’s such a minor difference that it’s not worth pestering me over

[novel token]

🍿

[young mango]

like wow sorry for confusing two consoles that were released like what 5 years apart 30 years ago?

[graceful apex]

I'm not perstering you over it

[graceful apex]

Over 10 years apart

[rose thistle]

If it's so minor why don't you just brush it off and move on instead of ranting about being corrected lol

[unreal flare]

Because Tammie doesn't like to be corrected, I know firsthand

[graceful apex]

And also, technically they are very different. The original GB was 8-bit and had a monochrome screen, while the GBA was 32 bit and had a full color screen

[young mango]

you don’t know me that well, but I’ll just say you’re right

[unreal flare]

...it was our first interaction lmao

[young mango]

yea first impressions huh

[unreal flare]

Ehhh forget about it

[graceful apex]

It's called "Doom Classic". It makes the game look more like Classic Doom.

[rose thistle]

Well that's what it's meant to do

To say it does is a bit of a stretch

[graceful apex]

It's as close as you're gonna get without completely changing the entire game

[unreal flare]

Honestly I can't really picture it in my mind

[graceful apex]

It just makes the game more pixelated and gives the texturing less detail

[unreal flare]

I think I'm just gonna look it up because knowing all the technical stuff Classic Doom does go through I fail to understand how Doom Eternal achieves it

[graceful apex]

I could take a screenshot

If you want

Gimme a sec

[unreal flare]

I'd like that, thanks a lot

[graceful apex]

It's in #screenshots

[young mango]

I know it’s over now, but don’t ever talk about me like that, have some semblance of courtesy even if I am not displaying it. I get you don’t try, but you make things worse.

and I am not sure as to why you stepped in in the first place, I don’t think this person is your buddy or anything, do you just like entering arguments?

[unreal flare]

They're not my friend, but I don't find it fair for you to get angry at them for not understanding your joke. I'm not the only one who thinks you went overboard. And you will get no more respect than I give to any other member of this server, so don't think you can hit me with "don't ever talk to me like that".

Anyway we're polluting this chat so if you wish to talk to me about this, there's always my DMs.

[young mango]

okay👍

[lyric lodge]

Thats why you should priotise the barrel immunity upgrade after hotswapper and faster dash

Yisus man i sped through mars core no difficulty then somehow randomly i lose all that skill and die to whiplashes

[young mango]

explosive piñatas is goated for ammo routing 🤤

[young mango]

Gives a shit ton of shotgun ammo for no reason, like 5 per barrel, that coupled with the barrel respawn perk you can go from empty ammo to full ammo with just 3 barrels

[cursive knot]

hi!!! i dislike the plasma ammo handouts for the barrels

[young mango]

shotgun ammo is the only ammo type I’d say has a decent ammo handout from that, iirc it’s like 5 shotgun, 1 rocket, 10 bullets, and 15 plasma, arguably you could say the heavy cannon distribution is the most pathetic because you’d need 18 barrels to go from empty to max ammo

[cursive knot]

yeah but the rocket one is kinda good

[young mango]

5 barrels to get max shotgun ammo, 13 barrels to get max rocket ammo, 17 barrels to get max plasma ammo, and 18 barrels as mentioned in the previous message

Meaning comparative for bang for your buck, compared to ssg.
rockets get 38% of the equivalent ammo handout, plasma gets 29% and bullets get 28%

[cursive knot]

that takes a while, i usually take down 3 barrels in an arena to kill demons then i do one chain saw whenever i lose most ammo for ballista, super shotgun, rocket launcher, chain gun (i use the weaker guns for weakpoints and barrels from afar)

i forgot they usually share ammo gulp

[bleak ermine]

Honestly I’m usually too focused to even be able to take advantage of that perk

[muted harness]

I chainsaw A LOT

[azure oriole]

Yeah you're meant to

[rose thistle]

ok guys i'm making a mod and i need opinions
if you went out of your way to unlock the Unmaykr during the campaign
...do you not deserve to be able to use it to just, absolutely shred the Icon of Sin apart?

or should it only be like, pretty strong

[young mango]

you deserve to, you can enter the second phase with like 5 BFG, every body part except the head gets one shot by it, he only has 8 body parts

[rose thistle]

this should be fun...

[muted harness]

probably not, turns out half the time I do it, it just tells me no chainsaw ammo

[inland kite]

I FUCKING HATE DOING THE DEMON PRISON EVERY TIME I START A NEW RUN

LIKE OKAY WE GET IT WE DONT NEED A FUCKING TUTORIAL ABOUT A USELESS FEATURE

[muted harness]

yk u can turn off tutorials right ?

[inland kite]

i literally turned off tutorials and its still there

i have to go down the elevator in the fortress of doom every run before going to cultist base

[muted harness]

ohhhh, well yeah

[inland kite]

at this point the feature is useless asf

sure mastery grinding and all that shit yeah.

have you not heard of reloading your checkpoint in a level so you can actually complete weapon mastery?

[young mango]

What does the demon prison even exist for tbh? after you beat it once on a completed save file it’s never accessible again on that save file

[muted harness]

Wasn't it called Ripatorium ?

[young mango]

Yes but it’s so forgettable that everybody forgot that’s what it’s called

[muted harness]

I remember it

the name sounds so weird it's in my brain

[inland kite]

yeah

i really dont get why demon prison was added

[muted harness]

practice ?

[inland kite]

like you can just find a shit ton of zobies or other fodder demons and just grind the weapons mastery on them and reload your checkpoint until its completed

[inland kite]

you still lose lives in the ripatorium (happened to me)

its because i was standing still and didnt feel like ripping and tearing

[muted harness]

died to fodders ?

[inland kite]

yes before going to cultist

[muted harness]

ohhhh

[muted harness]

I don't wanna rip anymore, I just wanna be happy

[inland kite]

its actually tedious asf and repetitive when you start a new run

[muted harness]

I never grinded for mastery

[inland kite]

at this point just remove the demon prison because as an uv guy, it fucking pisses me off before going to cultist

[muted harness]

although sounds like I should

[inland kite]

same here tbh i only did it for the steam achievement

[muted harness]

I was in Random game and the achievement thing just told me u unlocked mastery

so that was nice

[inland kite]

all i wanna do is have fun

and ultra violence is the perfect difficulty for it

[muted harness]

I played Mars core normal rn on HMP

[inland kite]

nightmare isnt hard for me but its just not fun and i lsoe motivation to play doom eternal when on nm

[inland kite]

try ultra violence when you get the skills

its actually fun asf

anyways ima go to cultist base so cya in like 20 mins ig

[muted harness]

I mostly still play on ITYTD but I feel like I am good enough at it now, gonna retry the best part of Mars Core on even higher difficulty now

I HATE EARLY GAME on higher difficulty

when not every weapon is unlocked

[inland kite]

early game is easy for me on uv

[muted harness]

without the weapons unlocked too ?

[inland kite]

nightmare? yeah no i get vaporized

[inland kite]

yes

just give me pb+ stickybomb and im all good until like the third level

[muted harness]

I did the first game on ITYTD and now I am doing higher difficulty with all the weapons

[inland kite]

nice but fr now im gonna play cultist base

[muted harness]

Mancubi == I NEED A ROCKET

[young mango]

FSE isn’t even applicable till the third level anyways because praetor tokens haven’t been introduced yet😭

crazy how your most reliable source of damage changes pretty much every level early game

[muted harness]

Fuck fuck fuck

I needed 3 extra lives

just to beat the game until the doom hunter part in Mars Core

Nightmare is fucking crazy man

[young mango]

first half of hell on earth, just spam sticky bombs, halfway through hell on earth, precision bolt punchswapping, halfway through exultia, Yeet blast, halfway through cultist base, rockets, lock on, and ssg, and after cultist base is where you start having more freedom and you can actually start using good options

[lyric lodge]

The start or the final arena with the doom hunter

Trust me bro doom hunters are fodder when alone just freeze them, bloodpunch and ssg ballista then lock on for phase 2

I felt victorious after ggezing the doom hunters in both the second arena and final arena

[muted harness]

I am talking about Mars Core

[lyric lodge]

Yes mars core

Theres two doom hunters in that level

[muted harness]

I died more to cybermancubus on the way

[lyric lodge]

Ight guys im going to sentinel prime woohoo

[muted harness]

first one 😭

[lyric lodge]

There was a cybermancubus?

[lyric lodge]

For pain elementals just like ballista then lockon or ballista punchswap if youre feeling fancy

[muted harness]

yeah ? mars core normal level ? there is a pinky and cybermancubus who I died to

[muted harness]

lock on, ballista that's it

[lyric lodge]

I didnt even see a cybermancubus the entire level am i tripping

[muted harness]

definitely

Mars core

[lyric lodge]

I swear i almost speedran through the entire first section of mars core bruh 😭🙏

[lyric lodge]

Was it like after the baron

[muted harness]

I like it, it's the most fun one

[muted harness]

ye

in the section where there is an extra life

[lyric lodge]

Meathook bp easy stagger farm

[muted harness]

and 2 cacodemons and 1 spider thing

[lyric lodge]

Gladiator 2 deaths

Good shit bro was easier than the doom hunter

[red heath]

hello

does anyone here use dosbox

[lost wren]

Damn it ya’ll now I have missions 7 and 8 to go back to in order to get all the missed collectibles.

And I have to fight a boss before that. The third hell priest. Only then can I go back to the fortress of doom

And also slayer gates are absolutely insane now. Marauder, 3 hell knights, 2 unmakyr posts. What psychos designed this game?

[lyric lodge]

Just wait till you get to master levels buddy

[lost wren]

The marauder is the only problem though I could handle the rest. There’s like 2 barons of hell but you could just BFG them.

[obsidian dawn]

Pretty sure barons are resistant to BFGs if you're talking about Eternal

[lost wren]

It does significant damage

[regal walrus]

can you play this game offline

[empty basin]

yes

[swift elm]

yeah

[regal walrus]

will data get lost or somethin

[small helm]

no

not unless you uninstall game before going online

[umbral totem]

ngl learning to quick switch makes dealing with tyrants and barons so much easier actually they die so much faster now

[chrome remnant]

woah another invincible fan in the doom server? never thought id see the day

[nocturne lynx]

That is a genuinely pathetic wave compared to even the first DLC, let alone the Master Levels.

[austere bronze]

no idea how I did it but I just beat cuzzmotions immora ML on unbalanced with just one death without super weapons first try lol

[nocturne lynx]

Early game difficulty imo is heavily determined by who you use the Chainsaw on. Doing that on the high-threat Heavies makes dangerous encounters significantly simpler.

[spring panther]

noted for my next un attempt

[nocturne lynx]

You’d be better off with some specifics if you’re going for UN, specifically for Cultist Base where the above is most important.
Make sure to save 3 pips for the encounter where you get the Rocket Launcher so that you can immediately Chainsaw the Mancubus to your left. Fight’s 10x easier after that. Do the same for the pit encounter, Chainsawing a Mancubus when they spawn.

For Doom Hunter Base Pinkies are probably the better focus as you’re well equipped for Mancubi at that point and killing pinkies efficiently otherwise requires wasting a Blood Punch. SGN onwards that strat period is not really needed.

[spring panther]

thats if i get to cultist, i usually die at exultia

[nocturne lynx]

Ouch

[spring panther]

mostly due to skill issue

[nocturne lynx]

Arachnotrons are the best Chainsaw target in those two maps btw; there’s no encounter that’s so dangerous you need to save pips for a specific one.

[spring panther]

k

going to see how far i get in un again

[lyric lodge]

Ive only watched like 4 episodes of S1

The animation threw me off i couldnt get over it

[spring panther]

targeted an arachnotron for chainsaw, chainsaws a zombie instead

[lyric lodge]

Pb ssg are crucial for those demons

[lyric lodge]

Real shit, the holt got me fucked up and i havent even gotten to samur

[nocturne lynx]

Samur iirc is only hard because he spawn 4 Possessed Demons on you. Fighting him 1-on-1 is a cinch.

[lyric lodge]

I hate how the game doesnt have priotization

Honestly during the hell part in exultia i tend to chainsaw one of the arachnotrons during the 2 arachnotron encounter

[spring panther]

honestly i think i keep dying in un runs because im not fully using my equipment

[nocturne lynx]

The last one? Pretty sure they don’t spawn at the same point.

[spring panther]

i rarely touch the frag grenades

[nocturne lynx]

Happens

Honestly kinda considering enabling the car UI to make the grenades more front-of-mind.

[spring panther]

the what ui

[nocturne lynx]

The UI additions that came with the "TAG 2" patch.

[hollow helm]

This one, this game was perfect. Like I mean perfect. Down to the last moluculic metamorphosis atom

[spring panther]

anyways i died after getting another chainsaw failure

[lyric lodge]

The one before 2 gargoyles and an arachnotron

Just before a sentinel battery

[lyric lodge]

Spam them like a crazy bitch and youll get there

[lyric lodge]

Until you get to bugs

[hollow helm]

True

[lyric lodge]

Eh, i get their use but i NEVER notice them 😅

Would you mind showing your gameplay? Im kinda intrigued to see the way you fly around

[nocturne lynx]

I’d have to make a clip as I have nothing recent of the sort on me but I can do that.

[lyric lodge]

Alright

[austere bronze]

gonna try out balanced tormented earth again (I'm not gonna stand a chance)

[austere bronze]

yeah, still don't know how this is balanced, but it isn't impossible anymore

[empty basin]

hate that map 😠

and also hate the Armored Maykr Drone Custom AI 😡

[austere bronze]

yeah, you almost have to blood punch it and it doesn't even refill your blood punch

[empty basin]

The AI's gimmick is that you break the armor with BP, but Maykr Drones in general has this issue where their melee lunge registration doesn't work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIQ4U8ckf9c

[austere bronze]

oh yeah, that too, but it hasn't been a big problem for me yet since I'm only at the first outdoor arena

[halcyon remnant]

I beat my record on horde mode and got 5th global

Hurt me plenty diff

[sage mulch]

Hello Guys,

I just bought " DOOM Eternal Year One Pass " and I can't play the single player campaign, I just bought the extensions ? I need it " DOOM Eternal Standard Edition " ?

[lyric lodge]

Yeah so the year one pass is a pass for the exclusive content for a year. Not the actual game

[sage mulch]

Ooooohhh, i see, understood 🫡 . thanks you

[austere bronze]

on the last arena of tormented eart now, I'm just hoping it aint too hard

oh, it wasn't the last arena💀

[austere bronze]

I beat it, but the cursed prowlers were pretty unnecessary, like it was already super hard you didn't have to put corsed prowlers there just so they can be annoying

[fathom lake]

I want to run Doom Eternal with Ray Tracing but the option on the settings menu is disabled for some reason.

My system:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600H
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile (4 GB)
Memory: 16GB

I'm running on Kubuntu 23.10. Is there something that I need to do in the nvidia driver settings so that I can play DE with RTX?

[lyric lodge]

@nocturne lynx awesome gameplay man! Honestly got anxious when you hit 13 hp so many times 😅 your movement's sick and i'll try to record some gameplay of my own as long as i dont die

[grim ocean]

Hi

[austere bronze]

hi

[grim ocean]

Axolotl 👍

[austere bronze]

sure

[visual crest]

hey i’m having a lot of trouble doing the super gore nest master level in hurt me plenty, anyone got any tips, on console btw

[cursive knot]

whats the issue with it, is there an arena you have trouble with, specficially that final one wherey ou add the final two keys?

[visual crest]

yeah that one

i get to the archvile spawn sequence and i can’t get past them

i’ve tried at least like 2-3 times already and i completely fall off

[cursive knot]

oh yeah I got stuck on that too

So save 30 argent and use your unmakyr which Id assume youd have if you went to master levels for more game play

kill the first two, if you cant find the third one , go around the area where you start the first time you are in that arena

if you dont have the unmakyr go past the arch villes to the start area of the arena and fire your bfg slightly above them.

[young mango]

implying this person has a 100% save for the ML, when you’re fighting make sure you can easily return to the center of the arena, catch two of the archviles in the crossfire of one ice bomb, and then destroyer blade, it will take exactly half of their healthpool for only 50 cells

[cursive knot]

yeah I forgot to add that.

thank you tammie

[visual crest]

i never thought of using unmakyr as bfg normally would work, plus with the big ass arena it would produce more tendrils

[cursive knot]

yeah but since in that final arena the primary problem is the archvilles so the other demons arent a problem until theres too many.

[visual crest]

annoying part is i have to do the tyrant bit when i reload the checkpoint

[cursive knot]

also the bfg doesnt really kill super heavys all too well, its just a fodder/lower difficulty heavy clearings

[slow sigil]

it stunlocks all demons however

[cursive knot]

Oh that, id use your rocket launcher detonate mod, and arbalest ballista

[slow sigil]

and the unmaykr is just ok at killing a single target at a time

rem det does nothing, and arba bal isn't that good either and you're better of starting with a dblade

[young mango]

at most I can recall there being 2 crucible charges and 3 BFG charges scattered across different areas of the level

[visual crest]

yeah

if i saved up the argents i could’ve used it for the archvile bit, but i had to use them in the first parts of the level when you actually get to the super gore nest

[cursive knot]

I accidentally get stuck using the triple lock in the tyrant area, but I easily passed it so I dont see the problem around the tyrant part

I have trouble with movement so I feel like I should play more often but im good with the weapons and such, also I use rem det for barrel kills

[slow sigil]

why not like.... shoot the barrel and then you get to fire another gun instead of waiting for rem det to travel?

[cursive knot]

that is a good idea

thank you

[young mango]

the BFG imo sounds like a better usage of your time, for 30 ammo you can get about 6000 damage on the 4 tyrants each which is 24000 damage in total as opposed to the 18000 you’d normally do with the unmaykr, and if you save two BFGs for the last arena then give it as much room to travel as possible ( do not shoot directly upwards it will just despawn faster ) it Can do that 6000 damage again, which is exactly how much health an archvile has

[visual crest]

i’ve started using more mods and weapons now, usually i just spam the super shotgun, with- jeusus

[cursive knot]

I thought since the rem det halts enemis I group them then rem det to stun and barrel kill

[young mango]

and then the second BFG with optimal placement will not only have killed the three archviles, but finish off the fourth tyrant you haven’t killed yet

[cursive knot]

wait doesnt the fourth tyrant have to die for the archvilles to spawn?

I remember having to kill four for the archvilles to spawn

[young mango]

only 3 have to die

[cursive knot]

hmm well alright

im gonna do it on ultra nightmare today so I can get the gold combat

[young mango]

although depending on your framerate, the tendril damage could be inconsistent in terms of this strat, this strat is definitely viable on 250FPS though

I could make a video demonstrating this in action

[cursive knot]

is their a difference between xbox and pc?

cause I only have an xbox to play doom eternal on so

[young mango]

framerate mostly, could be better depending on the model of Xbox

[cursive knot]

I have a series x/s

[young mango]

okay well let’s hope it’s an x because series s has a thing where it’s stuck at 60FPS on doom eternal

[cursive knot]

just found out its an S, but I dont really use argent guns since argent is mean and evil 😡

[azure oriole]

Arbalest or remote detonate

[slow sigil]

neither

[azure oriole]

Remote det is a handicap if anything

[cursive knot]

both

full auto

[slow sigil]

rem det is straight up a nerf

[azure oriole]

Only have one modkit

[slow sigil]

do you have all the other mods?

[cursive knot]

bfg super secret mod

ok but arbalest

[azure oriole]

Don't have bfg

[cursive knot]

hmmm arbalest

[slow sigil]

@azure oriole

[azure oriole]

Only missing

[slow sigil]

might aswel get arbalest, you might use it like idk twice or once

[azure oriole]

Mobile turret

[cursive knot]

get mobile turret

[azure oriole]

Arbalest

[slow sigil]

you're never going to use rem det because it's just a nerf for no reason

[azure oriole]

Also

I finished the slayer gate in cultist base

But never got the empran key

[slow sigil]

did you already have it collected?

[azure oriole]

No

[cursive knot]

and if you didnt go to the map and go to the slayer gate to check of the empryean key is green

[azure oriole]

I have to pick up a physical key?

[cursive knot]

its like a slayer key it usually is where the fleshy thing is to start the encounter

also its like a slayer key as in the sense that its a collectable that triggers a cutscene when you use it to unlock something

[azure oriole]

Brih

I returned back to the fortress of doom after finishing it

[cursive knot]

then go try to see if you can use the key on where the unmakyr is

[slow sigil]

the real reward of the gates are the experience anyways

[cursive knot]

lies its the empyrean warrior title card

[slow sigil]

TRUE

[smoky lily]

Wb the unmakyr

[cursive knot]

the unmakyr is worse than the pistol

[slow sigil]

it's a nice decoration

[smoky lily]

Ouch

[cursive knot]

it does like 0 damage

[smoky lily]

But fair

[cursive knot]

absolutely useless use micro missles

even better if you get the giant tentacle

[smoky lily]

Ya know the health potions

You can see reflections on them

Crazy attention to detail

[cursive knot]

yeah did you know if a demon hits you , you get healed for 200 hp and 150 armor

[azure oriole]

Cant

[slow sigil]

not to downplay graphics designing or anything but it's literally just putting a shine-"texture" over it

idk what it was called, a map?

[visual crest]

I FINALLY DID IT

[cursive knot]

wait

[smoky lily]

Sarcasm not appreciated

[cursive knot]

whos advice did you listen to (good job)

[visual crest]

yours and tammie, i used quick switch between lock on rockets and ballista

i used unmakyr for the two archviles

[cursive knot]

congrats now do classic and then nightmare extra life, regular nightmare, then delete the game before you touch ultra nightmare

[visual crest]

did classic which was my first master level lol, then did too young to die

[azure oriole]

Terrible advice lmao

[smoky lily]

Am I insane for running an ultra-nightmare playthrough

[azure oriole]

Should start mars core now?

[visual crest]

now did this, still gotta get through the the second switch for the heart and then the escape sequence

[cursive knot]

least obvious tyrant burner account

[visual crest]

i hate the escape sequence for master levels, it always messed me up when i have like 50 million gargoyles and imps, bunch of empowered mancubi and so many goddamn marauders

i hate marauders

[slow sigil]

🤓 uhm, there is a demon cap of 32

[cursive knot]

wait you have to escape all of them?

[slow sigil]

also like, equip shield and just run past them lmfao

[cursive knot]

average makyr drone

i dont even need shield just meat hook parkour

[visual crest]

i didn’t have the mod yet lolol

[strange gale]

31 + player entity

[slow sigil]

doomslayer is a demon smh

[cursive knot]

so were vega?

[lilac iris]

aughh

[visual crest]

oh ya

[azure oriole]

I think arc complex is harder than super gore nest

[visual crest]

yeah a bit

but they both can compete

master levels on the other hand

is ml arc complex harder than spgn

[cursive knot]

i think i should get something for completing too (i want more cosmetics 😡😡😡)

[austere bronze]

Damn, I think it's way easier

I did it first try on nightmare with no deaths while I got like 3 deaths on sgn

[visual crest]

i had this glitch where when you got to the apartment sequence

[cursive knot]

average doomslayer

[visual crest]

the revenant would normally bust through the doors, but it didn’t happen for me

[young mango]

really? I remember bowsr telling me the slayer didn’t count as an entity

[visual crest]

i had to reload checkpoint like 3 times

[austere bronze]

That's unfortunate

[cursive knot]

is there any unmakyr skins

[visual crest]

not

[young mango]

@cursive knot this is the BFG routing i talked about earlier, its super impractical to save all your BFG for the final arena but it makes it an absolute joke https://youtu.be/NZioH_Dyu40

[cursive knot]

i already completed the master level

[young mango]

i know but this is for future usage, also because it’s cool

[cursive knot]

guys is there anyway i can get the pistol on xbox?

im watching it tammie

[young mango]

no sorry, not only was it only accessible via commands, but they also removed it from the games files

[cursive knot]

gah doom is a horrible game for not letting me do ultra nightmare one hp with only pistol runs!!!

[azure oriole]

My only death in arc was the boss

[cursive knot]

theres a boss?

oh right the marauder

[azure oriole]

Yeah

[young mango]

you’d have more difficulty just by using an unmodded combat shotgun

the damage output for it is ridiculously bad, 320 damage, that’s the equivalent of 5 heavy cannon bullets, and that’s IF you’re point blank, which you’re not going to be

[austere bronze]

How did you survive the entire complex but died on the marauder??

[azure oriole]

Idk

[austere bronze]

What difficulty did you play on?

[cursive knot]

what if i used a ballista modded to shoot a single pistol bullet

[young mango]

idk

[cursive knot]

or maybe a bfg modded to shoot one single piece of a shotgun pellet

[azure oriole]

Once I get a pc

[azure oriole]

bro the majestic archvile is literally freiza

[rose thistle]

how many chainsaw kills do you guys think is reasonable to earn 1 BFG shot's worth of argent ammo?

10? 15?

[strange gale]

with 15 it'd take 7.5 minutes of chainsaw cooldowns + chainsaw animations to earn a shot... yeah that seems fair

though you'd also just get a fucking bfg shot for free

[young mango]

let’s use the weapons as a medium baseline, the most damage you can deal with each weapon type from 0 ammo to chainsaw ammo, max ammo gives 15 shells, 90 bullets, 135 cells, and 6 rockets, the most damage you can deal with all of this is best case scenario 13,120, 6,300, 6400, 5400, and the least is 4,800, 5,850, 4,750, 5400, combining these into an average is 26010 damage, a BFG tendril Can easily do 5000 damage per tendril given enough space, direct hit is 4000, so using an enemy pool of about let’s say 20, cuz that’d be a place worth using bfg, leaving us with a total of 104,000 damage capable of being dealt out realistically in total leaving us with having 4x the damage capabilities out our normal ammo pool. but I feel like having it every 4 chainsaws would be too good because it’s basically a get out of jail free card, so let’s factor it in by how much damage is done by an individual weapon on average, 6,502.5, that divided from our realistic BFG damage output is 15.99, so I feel as if 16 is the correct number to go with here.

[rose thistle]

looking into if it's something i can do, but I'm thinking of maybe making it so you get more for killing heavies than fodder
what would you think of that?

I love how you just mathed it out lol

[young mango]

well for heavies I feel like 16 is already pretty good, so just make it give it like per pip used, so you’d get 3x the BFG ammo from chainsawing a heavy

you might wanna make it 15 anyways so you can make a consistent pick up rate, so like 2 per fodder chainsaw and 6 per heavy chainsaw

[rose thistle]

I was thinking 5 times, so it pays off a bit more
but idk

my mod also changes how much it costs. a BFG shot is 50 cells now as well as the amount granted per pickup, and the max is 100

so BFG use from the pickups is unchanged but you get to Unmayk more with it

[young mango]

idk, that might just incentivize some players to not use the unmaykr because they’d wanna save for BFG, maybe you should change the cell cost but keep the max still relatively high

I think just go the 2016 route and make it the 2016 equivalent, go 90 argent

[rose thistle]

hm, why so?
it makes the Unmaykr relatively cheaper to use compared to the BFG, so there's lower opportunity cost

remember the max cell count in vanilla is 60, which is 2 bfg shots
that's unchanged in the mod, still 2 shots per max, 1 shot per pickup

[young mango]

or maybe make an incentive where the unmaykr gets a damage boost once it’s below the amount needed to fire a BFG

[rose thistle]

for instance I could make it drop 1 cell per fodder chainsaw, 5 cells per heavy
so that's 50 fodder chainsaws for a full BFG shot, or 10 heavy kills
but you wouldn't have to use it for the BFG, you could also use it for the Unmaykr here and and there, just to generally keep you more fed rather than to build up to a BFG shot

[rose thistle]

that's a really interesting idea but just beyond considering how that would impact gameplay idk how i'd implement that lol

[young mango]

and if you’re going to raise the count to 50 change it so it’s like 3 per fodder and 10 per heavy because it wouldn’t be entirely divisible. although chainsawing only fodder would make your chainsaw count 17, but making it 4 instead of 3 makes it only 13 chainsaws, which I believe is a tad too overpowered compared to the 16 proposed earlier which 17 is just one up from as opposed to 3 under

[regal walrus]

i joined the slayers club, wheres the zombie slayer skin??

[young mango]

slayers club is cooked buddy it’s been down for like a year now

[slow sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gone-reduced-to-atoms-end-game-infinity-war-gif-15573921

[regal walrus]

☠️

[rose thistle]

hmm... i like how that works out

I think I'll release it as a separate mod, and I'll make a version balanced around my new numbers (3 and 10) and one for vanilla (2 and 6)

[regal walrus]

bro why does using the chaingun crash this game

[inland kite]

WHY AM I SO FUCKING BAD

I DID SO GOOD UNTIL 3 HELL KNIGHTS SPAWNED AND PUSHED ME INTO A CORNER ON THE SLAYER GATE IN MARS CORE

THEN I DIED BY A FUCKING GARGOYLE FROM BEHIND

WHY AM I SO BAD ON NIGHTMARE

[regal walrus]

☠️

[inland kite]

(Hell knights are easy to kill

unironically i do better on the gladiator boss fight on night mare than 3 hell knights in a slayer gate

[azure oriole]

idk the lore of this game why is there a giant maykr underwater in urdak

@azure oriole

[umbral totem]

Use lock on rocket it one shots

[sturdy osprey]

Hola

[inland kite]

previous khan maykr probably

[rose thistle]

does anyone know off the top of their head what the widest FOV setting you can choose is?

[nocturne lynx]

110

[young mango]

for console yes, it maxes out at 120 for pc

and on Nintendo switch you are locked at 90

[nocturne lynx]

Well that’s bizarre.

[lyric lodge]

I must be high because no way i destroyed the first archvile arena in taras nabad in a matter of literal seconds

The enemies were tied to the archvile????

[lyric lodge]

I feel sorry for them

[lyric lodge]

I swear bruh the dlc had me so beat i locked in the main campaign

I feel like the arena with 3 mancubi and invisible whiplashes is too small and i barely have enough space to avoid the blood makyrs in the holt

[azure oriole]

It's a previous Khan, says Hugo Martin.

thanks

[azure oriole]

what was that key for that Doom Slayer got at the ARC complex. he used it to restore power to his ship but it's not like he expected the Khan Maykr to damage his ship in the first place.

[lyric lodge]

It was from 2016

[azure oriole]

That was the Crucible, from 2016.

i didnt play 💀

why does the cultist skin have to be unavailable 😭

[lyric lodge]

Is it possible to get 200fps levels of height with the meathook on 60fps

[young mango]

huh?

[lyric lodge]

Fps changes meathook's speed and height right? So is it possible to get insane height even on 60fps?

[young mango]

I mean the weapon wheel makes your effective framerate 7.14x higher, turning 60FPS into 429FPS, and if you’re trying to achieve 200FPS Weapon Wheel equivalent speeds you could combine it with chrono strike to have a 3.33x boost turning 60FPS into 200FPS flat, combining that with weapon wheel makes your speed 1427FPS, the exact translation with weapon wheel and 200FPS would be 1429FPS, almost exactly the same

[azure oriole]

are you the math person

like m0no is the lore person

[rose thistle]

what even is the cultist skin

[azure oriole]

the cultist slayer skin was a "thanksgibbing" event reward ig

looks sick as hell

how did i do the taras nabad master level first try but sgn took me 5 hours 💀

[tacit aspen]

Cultist Slayer can be bought

[azure oriole]

how

[rose thistle]

dlc store

[rose thistle]

does the name of this event confirm that Decino pronounces "gib" wrong?

[lyric lodge]

People pronounce gib as gabe?

[azure oriole]

is that gabe?
come on, not every guy with a beard-
hi this is gabe

[azure oriole]

wait u buy the skin in the dlc store
and can i get it on ps4

[rose thistle]

yeah there you go

https://doomwiki.org/w/images/thumb/9/95/DE_Series_7.png/375px-DE_Series_7.png
wait this skin looks sick what the hell

[azure oriole]

ong

[rose thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1226356324766318683/image.png
lmao

there's one I won't get

[azure oriole]

I'm still amazed I ever managed to hit that deadline

wait how do u get it again

[rose thistle]

you don't

[young mango]

alright I play tested this myself and it’s actually not as good as i thought it’d be, it seems instead of acting as a direct amplifier, to me it definitely felt as if it helps more to have more to work with in the first place, but I’m sure even with this tactic you’ll have all the speed a casual player would ever need

[young mango]

it feels as if these multipliers have diminishing returns, because trying to combine both methods of timeslow felt worse than just using the weapon wheel

maybe it’s because the increased speed didn’t let me stay on the hook as long, which made it slower because every frame you’re on the WW adds a bit of speed to your meathook

https://youtu.be/1s-YYB3q0RE

anyways here's me testing that out. as you can see, the speed you get isnt exactly horrible

[lyric lodge]

Alright, thanks for doing all this. Would a weapon wheel for only about a second give decent height too? I dont really wanna kill the flow mid battle lol

[young mango]

well what do you mean by height? because height with the meathook doesn’t really rely on frames if you’re just hooking off an enemy then breaking the hook to maintain your height, the main thing framerate effects is meathooks horizontal speed off an enemy, all framerates when going straight forward are practically the same speed

[lyric lodge]

Ah, so how do people get higher than a meathook jump then?

[young mango]

basically you can break a meathook by jumping or sometimes it’ll break on its own, called a “hook jump” and it counts as your first jump for some reason, so you are also supplied with a second jump

[lyric lodge]

Hm, alright. Thanks for the info its just been hard for me to gain height tbh 😅

[spring panther]

i was replaying arc complex and had an unusually aggressive marauder

2 wolf spawns in a very short time frame and mainly went directly into my face

[azure oriole]

if you guys want to have what is imo the most satisying experience possible, just equip the silver bullet and one shot stagger cheat codes and flame belch everything

[lyric lodge]

What the flip man i died in hell on earth on UN because i tried dashing 😭🙏

[young mango]

Ermmm what the flip

[lyric lodge]

post doom hunter base has gotten to me 😔

[opaque canopy]

Which maps have mission challenges i went on gore super nest and saw i could do them for praetor tokens but so far im finding the same no challenges available

[lyric lodge]

gng how is it that i get ganged on vigorously by demons yet pros on the same difficulty never really seem to take dmg nor do the demons ever seem to attempt to do any dmg 😔

[azure oriole]

Just don't take damage then bozo.

[lyric lodge]

good idea let me use the sentinel armour cheat code 😁😁

[lyric lodge]

Sgn ml VS mars core ml which is harder

[austere bronze]

mars core is harder easily

TN ML and mars core ML are around the same difficulty only that mars core ML is almost always difficult but TN has higher peaks in difficulty

[icy scroll]

Hi I’m new to doom but I’m just kinda curious if there is a way to turn off gore?

[austere bronze]

but mars core is the only ML I've done UN on lol

[austere bronze]

I think you can kinda do it with mods

[icy scroll]

Oh I play on ps5

Well thanks anyways

[uncut marlin]

im pretty sure you can turn off blood but maybe im just trippin

[nocturne lynx]

Probably SGN. Mars Core felt like an attempt to do a ML with pacing that feels in line with the vanilla campaign. Found it fairly simple to clear as a result.

But on the other hand I have not run any MLs In probably a year so my impressions might be wrong. Don’t think so though.

[sterile shuttle]

i,m not n sup guys

are you new Zacian_lb?

[austere bronze]

just started the randomiser mod for cuzzmotions immora ML and it is or at least feels 10 times as hard

this honestly better matched my expectations for the difficulty of the nromal ML cuz now I'm at least strugling a bit

[bleak kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/349928973049790465/1226408855907471380/image.png?ex=6624a940&is=66123440&hm=1e5ffda7464a5bea1f56d9be8191e6bd947088c5a62ea7a29206904d01eb7b18&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=682&height=910

Hello, somebody can say what this achivment?

[azure oriole]

I believe that one is "punch a slayer gate"

If my memory is correct

[bleak kelp]

Ok, thank you

[warm crown]

Dont played the game

[gloomy widget]

Does anyone here want to play a mod called "slayer versus slayer"? It has 3 different version, each to their own.

[barren spear]

The what

[lyric lodge]

Yes. Punch a slayer gate.

[unreal flare]

I remember getting this one instantly because I was always punching shit in 2016

[grizzled kite]

Got the blade am going to have fun with this

[unreal flare]

I still am punching everything I can while waiting for stuff to happen tbh

[lyric lodge]

I got it because i watched so many vids before playing and found out about that achievement 😭

[unreal flare]

Damn that kinda ruins the surprise :/

[lyric lodge]

Im the kinda guy to repeatly watch vids on games i want but cant get in order to feel like im playing it lmao

[unreal flare]

Yeah dw I get what you mean but punching a slayer gate is funny as fuck

[lyric lodge]

Doom slayer metal gate level confirmed

[slow sigil]

me omw to consume the 50th victoria 3 guide instead of playing it:

well, i have it, but yeah

[lyric lodge]

me after repeatedly searching the game on youtube desperate for content:

[rose thistle]

new event idea:
never gonna gib you up

[lyric lodge]

unless youre a demon

[rose thistle]

do we have data on how much damage enemies do?

[twilit shale]

hi!

[austere bronze]

hello

[hasty wolf]

help guys

my doom keeps crashing

[barren spear]

why tho

or when

[hasty wolf]

when i try to play or when i open settings

i can boot into menu but when i press something it crashes

it worked this morning and now it doesn't

[barren spear]

that's strange

[hasty wolf]

very

[past verge]

Just as a question, which demon should be my starting one? In the multiplayer mode, I mean. (I really stink at understanding things in multiplayer games.)

[timber dome]

depends on what playstyle you want
if you want to be a bruiser and in the slayers face all the time, play dread knight or marauder
if you want to fly around and rain down fire then play pain elemental or revenant
if you want to have a lot of control with aoe then play archvile or mancubus

[past verge]

Alright? I think ima try Archvile or Marauder

Because those seem like a good choice for me

[inland kite]

playing on Marenight

im starting to get used to it ngl

[azure oriole]

ture or flase

[barren spear]

some babies do that

[barren spear]

bro

[rose thistle]

Should I make it so you can't quick swwp or auto swap to the Unmaykr on my mod? I already did that for the BFG, since I found it so common to accidentally switch to it when trying to do combos or when you run out of ammo and then just waste an entire shot, but idk if that's as big a deal with the Unmaykr

Maybe just disable the auto switch but allow quick swapping?

[cyan sorrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527578891944006/1226680132391932018/2024-04-08_05-47-16.mov?ex=6625a5e6&is=661330e6&hm=a9f559db96e7e138618295335d5dfc0ae720d61332f56f0cc53dc9878eab344e&
Finally got used to this combo

[solar escarp]

what is your definition of quickswitching here? as in you’d want to apply a delay between switching weapons after firing another one? because “quickswitching” is quite the loose term to be using when the weapon is not notorious for combos, and also cannot have fast swap effect applied to it.

[solar escarp]

the second frag grenade is unnecessary, this combo functions perfectly without it, and the extra damage is not needed either, because this combo is more than enough to gib a marauder. although I am very pleased to see you have learned one of the most efficient marauder one-cycles.

[cyan sorrel]

Just to make sure cuz I got used to drop second frag on the 1 cycle full auto one

[solar escarp]

that is because the full auto takes long enough to require 2 frags

[opaque vector]

Can someone help me platinum this game on playstation

I need the 200 kills and can't find matches

[cyan sorrel]

Yeah I know just my instinct got used to drop all the grenade when ever doing 1 cycle marauder since the first 1 cycle I learn was full auto

[solar escarp]

the greenlight opening shot almost always does a very low amount of damage, to the point where the arbalest opening I’ve most commonly seen is obsolete because it doesn’t effect anything. I would not be surprised if the frag grenades are doing the heavy lifting in terms of damage output unto the marauder. let’s take into account the first shot does negligible damage, and then the damage of the frag grenades, both subtracted from the marauders health pool, you would need 11 shots to stagger, and 12 to kill outright.

I do not recall the exact number, but the marauders resistance towards arbalest is so high that a base fire ballista on a regular enemy does more damage.

[finite elm]

Is tag 1 and 2 good

[cyan sorrel]

Saw some where can even doing 1 cycle micro missle not sure if it patched yet

[cyan sorrel]

Both good tag 1 more fun , tag 2 boss not so fun but good for quick swapping practice

[solar escarp]

it has not been patched yet, if you’re talking about normal micro missiles, the videos I’ve seen on those are so recent, I would not be surprised if they themselves are performed on current patch or close to current patch.

[finite elm]

Oh

[cyan sorrel]

That one dope too maybe I ll learn it next after mastered lock on

[rose thistle]

Quick switching as in "tap q to swap to the last weapon you used"

[solar escarp]

that’s very odd, because quickswitching on PC often does not involve that in an optimal setting, infact, the weapon wheels delay ties to your swap speed If you switch like that.

[cyan sorrel]

Incase u re new Tag 1 is hard btw so just to mentally prepare

[finite elm]

I know that

One watching a video on the tag 2 controversy

Im*

[solar escarp]

doom fans are certainly peculiar, that controversy happened because people complained about TAG1 being too hard, so they listened to the feedback and they got sent death threats for it, very confusing situation.

[thin wagon]

can someone who is techy take a look at my specs and tell me if i can run doom

@solar escarp

[solar escarp]

what are your specs?

[thin wagon]

dms

or here whichever you prefer

[solar escarp]

It doesn’t matter. but since you threw out the idea of dms first, we will go with that one.

[river canopy]

Hi guys I'm newi here I don't quite understand how to use this server, help please

[gentle slate]

jorge rap

[glossy warren]

jorge rap

[cyan sorrel]

Jorge rap

[storm field]

https://discord.com/channels/162891400684371968/588687529323134977

[inland kite]

remove whiplashes

i can handle LITERALLY every other demon other than whiplash

yes including the archvile

and 2 barons

[young mango]

there’s only one place in the whole game where you don’t have lock on rockets when you deal with them, they’re basically instakillable all the time after that

[inland kite]

i always forget

[rose thistle]

love how argent energy is
portrayed as blue or red
appears as green in the bfg
appears as yellow in the Unmaykr

got every primary colour covered... even lets you choose between the two most common systems!

[storm field]

Whiplash dies on fully charged DB and lock on so not that hard but shockwave attack is annoying

[lyric lodge]

Invinsible whiplashes 😔😔

[lyric lodge]

Their slash thingy has honestly killed me so many times tbh. High dmg and really stops you from dblading

[rose thistle]

I love the implication that an appropriate response to one of the fastest enemies in the game is to start charging the attack that takes 10 years to prepare

Ok deadass I don't get why people hate whiplashes so much?
They take like, one PB + SSG to stagger, ig they're kinda hard to hit dead on but

[inland kite]

ranged attack is annoying asf

[rose thistle]

Even the invisible ones aren't that bad.

[inland kite]

where it sends like 2 WHIPS of lashes

[rose thistle]

Like it's the same deal as before, kinda tricky to hit right but they go down easy enough
And you can always ice bomb or flame belch to make spotting them easier

[young mango]

Frag grenade

and the frag grenade does enough damage to where you’d only need a tier 2 dblade to finish them off

[somber crystal]

Is it arguable to say that in terms of exploration, this game has levels that are much larger in scale compared to Doom 2016?

[rose thistle]

They said "one fully charged" dblade tho

[young mango]

yes and that could work as well, the frag grenade is mostly to falter the whiplash, and you could kill multiple whiplashes with a wider dblade

[rose thistle]

🤯

[lyric lodge]

I think the hate moreso comes from their slithering. It can get hard to hit them in tight situations and their dmg output makes it worse too

[lyric lodge]

Not arguable at all

[lyric lodge]

I was just making a counter argument to the suggestion i was replying to and eh, you can fast dblade tech maybe to counter that charge

[cursive knot]

i mean the hitbox along with the movements they have makes it annoying but its very easy in my opinion to dodge the attacks

[empty basin]

They aren't very bad by themselves, but where they become really annoying is when you're already being CCd, and their wave blasts starts to stack with each other

i.e. you got blocked by a Carcass or something and killed off all your momentum, then a Whiplash waveblast made you essentially get negative momentum

which then opens you up to even more attacks

bonus points if it's a Baron ground slam

then another Whiplash waveblast comes around, because again you're standing still

[lyric lodge]

When they sneak up on you from behind it gets so frustrating too

[wary badger]

The graphics engine in doom 2016 should be added into doom eternal

Seems more cool.. but I don’t think the arcade theme of the game will really compliment eachother

[empty basin]

I don't think graphics engine means what you think it is

You're probably thinking of the word "art style"

[wary badger]

Yeah that🙏

[lyric lodge]

I get where youre coming from, but man i cant disagree any more. The artstyle of doom eternal is just more diverse and more appealing. Even if you like darker tones just lower your gamma

[spring panther]

eternal crashed while i was doing a UN run of the sgn master level

truly a doom eternal moment

[rose thistle]

CC?

[empty basin]

Crowd Control

It refers to a state where your movements are limited, or when you are making others' movements limited

For example, using an Ice Bomb on a crowd of demons is a form of CC

It's a common blanket term for all games really

The Plasma Stun Bomb from the 2016's Plasma Rifle is also a form of CC

Falters, Microwave Beam, Stagger, etc are all forms of CC

[rose thistle]

You explained this so eloquently I almost responded as if it was the first time I'd heard the term lol

[wary badger]

will doom eternal go out with a bang?

new leaks have been coming about "DOOMmodportal.exe"

[shell tulip]

is it just me or cacodemons are kinda bugged
seems like half the grenades I shoot at their mouths don't do anything

[lyric lodge]

Ya missed thats what

[shell tulip]

i can literally see the grenades floating on their opened mouths when they attack lol

[lyric lodge]

Well the game thinks ya missed

[shell tulip]

mhmm very nice

specially in ultra nightmare its very helpful

[rose thistle]

Cacos can be a lil weird yeah

[shell tulip]

i mean in the first 3 levels then it's whatever but im having tough time getting thru them, one thing is im rusty i havent played actively in about a year

but second are the cacos + skill issue

[outer stump]

Second week noon stop playing doom, im fell like my finger have the skill habilitie to doo everthing now im 90 mph

Help

[austere bronze]

nah, you don't need help

I am so slow with my quick switching today😭

[outer stump]

Im fell like, my hand is suposed to do everthing im high speed

[austere bronze]

just play more doom and it will be fine

[outer stump]

Thats so sick, im fell like every 360° im doo gona make me to vomit and make me headache and im afraid to enemies.

Now, slaughtering is my only thought..

[austere bronze]

good

[outer stump]

Shotguns reloads sond like music to me

[rose thistle]

did you guys know the bfg is internally referred to as the "great big firearm 8000"?

[austere bronze]

I did not know that

[brave shuttle]

Are you talking on this AND general at the same time???

[austere bronze]

yea

gotta know how to multitask yk

[brave shuttle]

On discord?

[austere bronze]

yes

[brave shuttle]

Why multitask on discord?

[austere bronze]

can do it on doom eternal can do it here too

[austere bronze]

why not?

[brave shuttle]

Alright then

[austere bronze]

alright

[rose thistle]

why doesn't the spirit take damage from BFG tendrils?
game says you need a "sustained stream of energy" to kill it
what is the microwave beam if not just a tiny bfg tendril?

[austere bronze]

pretty sure BFG is argent energy and plasma rifle is something else

[brave shuttle]

The plasma rifle's ammo is plasma, it's in its name

[rose thistle]

argent is just fancy plasma

[austere bronze]

not a physicist but pretty sure that the only way to have a real plasma weapon is with a beam, and the plasma rifle shoots balls too

[brave shuttle]

I don't know how to respond to that.

[austere bronze]

aight lol

[light pasture]

I'm on a mission to sink the crucible into the brain of the Icon of Sin right at the peak of the eclipse

[azure oriole]

Why not be outside for the eclipse?

[light pasture]

I got it setup on my laptop

it'll be dark outside I feel like it would be a cool experince

[rose thistle]

#eternal-modding message
I buffed the Unmaykr

[azure oriole]

Fair enough I suppose. Have fun

[azure oriole]

thats just a reference to ghostbusters

[rose thistle]

i ain't 'fraid of no sleep
i ain't 'fraid of no bed

[azure oriole]

is it just me or is the unmaykr kinda ass

[rose thistle]

boy do I have the solution for you

[tame topaz]

Doom Eternal

[austere bronze]

Agreed

[storm field]

most useless weapon in the game

[austere bronze]

Yeah, it's just a waste of BFG ammo

[azure oriole]

It is useful when fighting the Icon of Sin

[young mango]

no not really, the icon only takes 1/3rd of the damage the unmaykr actually does, he has a resistance towards it

as opposed to the BFG which he’s actually weak to

[storm field]

1 bfg shot destroys his armor piece/body part

[young mango]

yea, which is thanks to it being a weakness of his, because he doesn’t take tendril damage, it would normally be 4000 damage, he has 8 body parts, and only 2 of those 8 have a health value lower than 4000, and that’s the forearms. if he didn’t have a weakness towards it, it wouldn’t be that good of an option

[rose thistle]

"Guys which superweapon should be better against the final boss? The one you get through the story or the one you have to go through a bunch of special challenges to unlock and is touted as an ancient godly pinnacle of weaponry?"
"Well, the story one inherently is kinda weak against it since several of its damage sources don't work. It does take out surrounding enemies pretty well but let's boost its damage to give it more impact"
"Makes sense, and what about the special unlockable one that is generally outshined by other weapons in regular gameplay and might have a chance to be useful here?"
"Oh make sure that shit doesn't even scratch him. No damage, barely a tickle."

[austere bronze]

Yeah basically, but I think they make the unmaykr deal decreased damages against lots of enemies

Same as the SSG has increased damage for a lot of enemies

[rose thistle]

Yep, every boss in the game has resistance to it, while most actually have vulnerability to the BFG (exceptions are the gladiator and dark lord, who are resistant to both)

Marauders are also resistant, meanwhile you can 1-shot them with the BFG after stunning.

Also, all superheavies are weak to the BFG (but only direct hits, they take a lot less from the tendrils)
Iirc there aren't any enemies at all who are weak to the Unmaykr in vanilla

[young mango]

it’s funny because the gladiators resistance towards BFG ( and a lot of other things ) didn’t exist until 2.0

[rose thistle]

Why even make it resistant?? It's not like you unlock those weapons until after anyway

[young mango]

lock on rockets did full damage, crucible did full damage, and even unmaykr did full damage

[young mango]

well to be fair you do have BFG at that point and the initiation of phase 2 refills your BFG

[rose thistle]

Yeah man we can't have people cheesing the gladiator with the crucible

[rose thistle]

Oh shit right yeah, I got the orders mixed up

[young mango]

it was really good for individual level speedruns tho

[rose thistle]

Hm
Ok fair ig

How much does the crucible do on a missed slice again? Like 10K or some shit?

[young mango]

yes

[rose thistle]

Lol

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/frfxXSVz1Iw?si=16-ZUTW_6QX9NNGy

here’s an example of what you could do to a gladiator before this stuff was patched, granted when I made this video I was less skilled, I could’ve cheesed the whole thing by spamming slash cancelling

[rose thistle]

Yooo the unmaykr getting some action 😯

[young mango]

something I’ve noticed upon rewatching this clip is he most definitely had an unmaykr resistance in this patch, if he had normal damage values it would’ve only taken 25 shots, but even then dishing out the 42 I did is still faster than doing 2 BFGs ( it might not be actually, but 2 point blank BFGs would only deal 8000 damage anyways, second phase is 25000, and the crucible deals 10000 to start )

[rose thistle]

I tested out my modded unmaykr against the icon of sin... the power rush was insane
Like you still had to shoot at him and stuff but it was just the right amount where it shredded him apart without just being totally boring and over in a second
It felt so good lol

I changed it from a 0.3 multiplier to a 1.2x one
Which honestly might have been a little overkill but fuck don't we deserve it?

It's still more of a fight than the Mother Demon with the fully powered Unmaker in 64 lol

[spring panther]

i finally configured my xbox to use the 120 fps configuration on eternal

the yeet hooks are going to be real

[lilac iris]

real

[spring panther]

and i was able to skip the fight to get a suit token in doom hunter base first try

thats a 10/10 improvement

[opaque current]

Hello

[spring panther]

i had to turn hdr off

thats all that was needed

and now im out of bounds

bug eternal part whatever

[azure oriole]

I have to beat sentinel prime today

Do I go back to fortress of doom after beating taras nabad?

[open bison]

Hi
(I'm Brazilian, I may have a slight difficulty in talking but you don't need to worry)

[open bison]

I dont remember it now,sorry

[azure oriole]

No worries

[open bison]

Ok

[azure oriole]

ong it doesnt even do that much damage

[azure oriole]

Going to re play arc complex for the runes

[torpid lion]

Arc complex my favourite level

Done it over 500 times (literally)

Anyway is anyone on ps4 or ps5 online I need the battle mode healing trophy

Nvm

I don't want to play as demon just for two trophies tbh

[fair tangle]

I just started Doomy eternal with the Quake skin that I got after I bought Quake game

[barren spear]

Quake skin you say?

[azure oriole]

Mastered plasma rifle and shotgun

Minty

[stoic gazelle]

[inland kite]

rate my rune setup
Savagery (faster glory kills)
seek and destroy (launch into glory kills further)
and air control (self explanatory)

[young mango]

It’s good, but seek and destroy is pretty much useless in doom eternal because 1. it had more range in 2016, and 2. you don’t need that type of range when you can close the gap by dashing or meathooking towards the enemy

[strange gale]

savagery makes it possible to get armor from a couple of flaming hook gks that would normally be too slow, so it's nice to have outside of speedrunning as well

s&d is a crutch rune honestly

[young mango]

4 second above glory kill on tyrant without savagery😢😢

[strange gale]

it does nothing to improve your movement, but it helps a tiny bit whenever you fuck up

though i guess it can save you from falling into a death plane that would've put you into a worse position or flat out killed you? but sometimes it can be worth it to just fall if the death plane teleport location in the current arena is good

[young mango]

glask do you fw Urdak heavy vro

[strange gale]

i don't really play base game

the visuals are sick n the rings make it a really fun stage to watch speedrunners play

[young mango]

I speedran it today but it’s lowkey mid

I learned sausage skip for fun and realized that was the hardest skip in the level so I might as well learn the rest

[azure oriole]

No time slower?

[young mango]

chrono strike sucks 😢

[azure oriole]

Burr

I use the one where it's like a built-in extra life

I also use seek and destroy but Im too lazy to change it

[azure oriole]

Saving throw

[light remnant]

What's the purpose of using the faster glory kills one

[azure oriole]

Secret encounters??

Idk

Is tag 1 worth it?

[empty basin]

both the DLCs are worth it

though if you're tight on cash you might just wait for a sale

[strange gale]

spending less time looking at canned animations and more time actually playing the game is always nice

[light remnant]

Is that it?

[empty basin]

It also has some gameplay benefits

When you perform Meathook -> Glory Kill without Savagery, some Glory Kill animations wouldn't drop armor because the GK animation is too long
but with Savagery, you'd get the armor since the GK speed is faster
This is especially apparent on the Archvile's front Glory Kill

[light remnant]

Aight thanks but I prolly won't use it still

[nocturne lynx]

Chrono Strike’s good as an onboarding Rune of sorts; it’s not really meant for high-level play.

[light remnant]

What's your setup?

[empty basin]

You also are able to do more GK in a short time frame.
For example, say that there's a horde of Cacodemons and you use Sticky Bombs to stagger all of them, then when you start to GK you'd only be able to GK around 1 or 2 at best before the rest get out of their stagger state, but with Savagery you can GK 3-4 Cacos consecutively.

I use Air Control, Savagery, and Blood Fueled

And if I play modded with Always Air Control, I'd replace it with Punch and Reave

[light remnant]

What about support runes?

[austere herald]

Air control blood fueled equipment fiend

[inland kite]

what if you are being bullied and get pushed into a corner by 3 hell knights

[inland kite]

ima try that ngl

[empty basin]

I use Break Blast

[austere bronze]

I use it so that glory kills doesn't break the flow of combat as much, the demons around me won't have time to completely reposition themself, I can gain armor from a meathook into a gloey kill more often and I get annoyed by how long it takes to perform a glory kill

[orchid latch]

In my opinion yeah, but I play doom for the lore, so I get it if it's not someone else's whole thing

[rose thistle]

default glory kills feel so slow and awful after you get used to savagery lol

but i will say
the archvile front gk, where he stops your punch, i felt pretty dissapointed in that one the first time i savageried it
didn't hit the same

but now I'd say I'm used to it

[rose thistle]

the what

[young mango]

what does this even have to do with what I said

[young mango]

I dont name these things, it stops being funny after you’ve heard it used in a serious context dozens of times

[strange gale]

you can just shield bash there, it hard falters heavies

[empty basin]

It was originally called "Big D Skip", but then it had to be performed in an IRL event which was family friendly, so they changed the name to Sausage Skip

[rose thistle]

What is it lol

[empty basin]

Basically it's a huge skip in Urdak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvEB3gzIq6I

[inland kite]

why was it called big dick skip

is it because while you ballista jump does that mea-

oh fuck no what am i imagining💀

[robust nacelle]

I can never ballista jump right

[inland kite]

i can never bypass the ballista reload

isnt it the same as pb

[robust nacelle]

I'm on controller so i kinda can sometimes but its a bit scuffed and I can't go very far

[empty basin]

It's just called that because it's the flashiest skip in the entire game

[young mango]

wdym

[robust nacelle]

also hi im new here
what slayer skin do y'all use most often?

[inland kite]

isnt it like the pb where you just punch then press the #2 key

[young mango]

yea, or whatever key it’s relegated to

you have to press the key during the punch

[inland kite]

for some reason i cant do it (ballista)

[robust nacelle]

in hell on earth I use that to skip the animations for getting the shoulder canon and collectibles

[young mango]

you might be going too quick, I think it’s like if you press the bind too early in the punch it doesn’t register

don’t know, I’m not exactly too experienced on the nuances of punchswapping, it’s one of those things where you do it for so long it’s just muscle memory

[young mango]

if you could show me a video perhaps with input overlay, or a video of you failing it normally, I could probably have a lot more to work with than just knowing that you can’t do it

[inland kite]

username

[young mango]

wat

[cyan sorrel]

https://youtu.be/YQc6XZOA5GQ?si=UIpjwizK90BZ5kTs
Dem 1 cycle per phase dark lord
@young mango any tip for quick swapping faster
Took me 2 cycle to end a phase cuz my swapping felt slower

[young mango]

well, only phase 2&3 can be one cycled, 1, 4, and 5 have too much health, usually your damage would cap but this is possible via “combo interruption” where you deal more damage than you normally could because it reads as separate falters instead of one continuous one, for some reason, the specific damage values of the weapons in that order that I used them is the only known way of extending it. sometimes doing too much damage too early snaps him out of the one cycle, so in the 3rd phase when I do 4 ssgs near the end instead of 3 it’s because I’m compensating for a blood punch that I don’t have. also because of the rockets wind down it is advised to BATS/mod swap cancel ( MSC ) out of the LOB near the end, and the strat of finishing with only ssg can be inconsistent at times, so you might wanna do a precision bolt beforehand just to tie loose ends

[lyric lodge]

Whew beat the campaign on nightmare for the second time

Barbarian skin goes crazy

Took me 3 days bruh i need to improve sm more cuz i cant even go through tag1 nor world spear

[robust nacelle]

tag 1 nightmare is a real test of skill bro good luck

[lyric lodge]

Yeah, ive been stuck in one arena of the holt for days

[robust nacelle]

the twin tyrants with the spirit bro

[young mango]

lock on burst simulator

[cyan sorrel]

Noted , I guess still needed to practice faster swapping, try ur combo on phase 2 boss usually wake right after the triple lock on rocket hit

[robust nacelle]

okay you got me there
at that time I was trying to do combos like the mayo man on controller

[young mango]

Mayo is no joke probably the worst person to try to learn from, it’s like having a butcher try to teach you how to be a veterinarian

[empty basin]

Yeah the biggest hurdle for newcomers when it comes to dealing with Possessed Demons is realizing that Lock-On Burst exists and how much damage it deals

And Mayo can be.. an active detriment on that

[young mango]

the crazy part is is that on a possessed tyrant, lob probably deals like half the damage it normally would and it’s still the most viable damage source

[robust nacelle]

yeah honestly.
only good thing I learned from him was using the auto shotgun more

[empty basin]

It's not like he explicitly tells people to not use LOB though, it's just that he's advertising Remote Detonation to be way better than it actually is

so it ends up making newbies forget about LOB

Because on paper, LOB just seems more "boring" compared to the the falter chain thing that he promoted

[robust nacelle]

yeah remote detonation combos are more flashy

[empty basin]

I also have to credit him for the biggest contributor to me struggling on that encounter too when I first played TAG1, lol

[slow sigil]

Even if LOB straight up didn't exist, remdet wouldn't even be good

[young mango]

soft falter with an upper limit of 600 damage as opposed to soft falter from sheer damage

[robust nacelle]

mayo man was a canon event for eternal players in 2021-22

[empty basin]

I kept on trying to use Remote Det against the Possessed Tyrant like an idiot when I could've pressed the Mod Swap button once and never look back

[slow sigil]

I love waiting for my rocket to travel so i can do less damage then a regular rocket, whilst also taking longer to soft falter!!!

[robust nacelle]

this is soooo rip and tear guys omg

[young mango]

also a surprising amount of new players will shit on dblade simply because it has a charge up, but like, if you see something like this, you’ll realize how useful it actually is https://youtu.be/x8sx2t6JoJ8?si=CNdE7r8IJhe4AILX

[empty basin]

I already mentioned this 3 months ago, but Remote Detonate sort of encourages a self-destructive playstyle where you use rockets as a very unreliable crowd control measure instead of actually using it for damage.

Normal Rockets deals 900 damage (direct and splash) while Remote Det only does 600 with the mastery, and goddamn Lock-On Burst deals 2700 damage per volley.

[robust nacelle]

dblade is so fun to use plus the gibs if you hit a mancubus the right way
absolute perfection

[cyan sorrel]

Mostly new player didn’t remember the enemies spawn position yet to utilize dblade

[empty basin]

I really don't think there's a real argument in favor of RD, like yeah it can stop a Hell Knight or Baron charging at you one time but congrats you probably also dealt the splash damage to yourself

[young mango]

not to mention the sheer amount of damage fall off remote det has is so bad that worst case scenario with remote dets that are in falter range it takes 3 remote dets to do 400 damage

[robust nacelle]

there's a hell knight charging at me
better shoot a rocket instead of moving, or just peppering it with the chaingun a bit

[young mango]

your remote dets need to be basically grazing a blaster soldier just to kill it, 600 damage is a fever dream that isn’t happening

[robust nacelle]

blaster soldiers when you hit them with that dollar store remote detonation

[slow sigil]

You can hold right mouse whilst quickswapping with pb

That's it, that's all i can think of and it's a noob training wheel

[young mango]

well to be fair, that last part isn’t exactly true, the splash damage remote det does to the slayer is heavily reduced, I hate this mod just as much as the next guy, but I don’t wanna spread misinformation

[robust nacelle]

speaking of mayo man
the amount of times I've been destroyed trying to use the plasma beam

[empty basin]

Bro I picked Remote Det on Kaiser Campaign because the text makes it seem like it got a significant buff, but nope it's still trash lol

[empty basin]

Oh yeah I didn't mean to imply that it deals a massive self-damage or anything, it's just that dealing damage to yourself to counter a situation that has a ton of other options that doesn't involve self-damage seems to be really a detriment to your longevity

[young mango]

remote det is quite literally useless, on weaker enemies you can just kill them before you’d even need a use for a soft falter, but on tougher enemies you’d want to prioritize weapons that do more damage instead of an assist weapon anyways

[nocturne lynx]

It’s basically Siege Mode but arguably more broken somehow if you use it right.

[cyan sorrel]

I use remote detonation like under 30 shot entire 170 hour game
Can’t stand my self to use it cuz struggle to timing the detonation
Only use lock on burst

Only time use it was on super gore nest master level for the challenge mission

[young mango]

not even arguably, siege mode in 2016 took 2 shots to kill a hellknight, dblade in eternal takes 1 shot to stagger, 1 to kill if icebomb + frostbite perk, so basically the eternal equivalent of siege modes damage output is liek 1250+ damage per shot as opposed to 2400 with a full charged dblade

[robust nacelle]

sgn master level on classic mode is so fun

[young mango]

not to mention, siege mode was a hitscan beam, dblade is a projectile that’s the size of a small room

a single dblade and an icebomb can wipe out an entire horde of hell knights with a single click

[nocturne lynx]

Doesn’t it also ignore walls and goes right past them?

[young mango]

it only ignores walls if the center of its mass doesn’t hit the wall

so basically yes as long as the center doesn’t collide with anything

and also goes straight through enemies regardless of whether the center collides of not, which I cannot recall if siege mode had such a perk

I know uranium coating or whatever was a perk a lot of weapons in 2016 had but I don’t recall siege mode being one of them

[lyric lodge]

How the fuck do i fucking make sure that i glory kill instead of blood punch

I swear i keep dying because this shit blood punches even when theres a glory kill right infront of me head on

[young mango]

trick question, you don’t, this is doom eternal, prepare for one billion glitches

[robust nacelle]

punch right before you pick up a collectable 75% chance to say goodbye to your hands untill you dash into a climbable wall

[young mango]

classic super man glitch

[robust nacelle]

with the scroll wheel?

[young mango]

no I’m talking about the one you just mentioned

[robust nacelle]

ooooh my bad

[young mango]

I’ve gotten it before by animation cancelling with the punch method as opposed to the modswap method in earlier levels

[young mango]

that’s crazy, that glitch was in the game for liek 3 months tops and the game is 4 years old now and that’s the main glitch people remember

[robust nacelle]

eternal devs watching the gdq probably made it the main one everyone remembers

[lyric lodge]

WOOO I FINALLY GOT THROUGH THE CYBERMANCUBI ENCOUNTER IN SGN ML

[austere bronze]

what is classic mode? I have over 300 hours in this game and still don’t know💀

[lyric lodge]

Its a mode for MLs where you collect weapons on the way

So yes you have to fight a tyrant with sticky bombs but you have your full equipment

[robust nacelle]

that's a really fun fight though honestly especially on nightmare

[austere bronze]

oh, I gotta try that when I get home

[empty basin]

People remember Siege Mode more fondly because it's easier to use due to its shorter charge and 2016's general gameplay design

In 2016 you can just charge Siege Mode whenever, while in Eternal if you charge it when the enemies are within arm's reach and in the middle of heavy combat you just die

[young mango]

yea, but it’s crazy, there’s a surprising amount of people who don’t know that that glitch “slope boosting” was pretty much the first thing they patched out, so there’s a surprising amount of people who don’t know it’s been patched out

[lyric lodge]

Its fun, yeah. But i feel like the demons are weakened..? Idk they just feel that way

How do i get back to the double tyrant doom hunter encounter in SGN ML after dying? I got spawned all the way back outside and im stuck with the yellow gore key

[empty basin]

can you insert the gore key again?

[lyric lodge]

Oh nvm

[lyric lodge]

I couldnt, but the arena was downstairs i guess

[austere bronze]

that arena is annoying the first time

[robust nacelle]

I remember I tried so hard to do it on console when I saw it
(did not succeed for obvious reasons)

[lyric lodge]

Glad i beat it the second time then

[robust nacelle]

lock on rocket and chaingun shield your best friend in that one

[young mango]

not only was it patched out but it also would’ve been pretty much impossible to use practically even then, because the way it’s used in speedruns is the jump button is spammed liek 90 times a second with macro/free scroll, no human on earth is capable of button mashing that hard

[lyric lodge]

Oh boy gargoyles with buff totems is gonna be the death of me

[storm field]

you can break the buff totem when the gargoyles spawned

[austere bronze]

I used pb+ssg instead of lob

[lyric lodge]

Wait where

[robust nacelle]

its locked till after the first wave I think but mastered auto shotgun mod helps

[lyric lodge]

Me too, but i mixed up a shit ton of things with chaingun shield pb ssg grenades blood punch a whole ton

[young mango]

I have such a funny response I’d like to make to this message but I’m way too tired for all the effort I’d need to make rn

[lyric lodge]

I havent even spent any points on it 😭😭

[robust nacelle]

so real

[young mango]

it was gonna be a video of energy shield and lock on burst literally being used at the same time, energy shield vacation my beloved

[storm field]

in front of the ending level portal

[robust nacelle]

auto shotgun maxxing like tag 2 intended

[robust nacelle]

energy shield is just too good not to use

[lyric lodge]

Not me killing hundreds of gargoyles only to realise i had to destroy the totem 💀

[robust nacelle]

the level lords are laughing maniacally rn

buff totem gargoyles are probably the most evil buffed demon imo

[lyric lodge]

Normal gargoyles alone are infuriating

[lyric lodge]

And then the ML proceeds to barrage you with 50 of them alongside cybermancubus, cacos and doom hunter 💀

[robust nacelle]

especially nightmare and them reading where your gonna move

[lyric lodge]

How do i kill 5 spectres 2 cybermancubi 1 dread knight with no blood punch

[robust nacelle]

quick scope and rocket quick swap to victory brother

[lyric lodge]

In a tight ass space tho

[robust nacelle]

trust me

[lyric lodge]

What about the 50 gargoyles

[robust nacelle]

the splash damage is all in your head dude its not real

gonna work out perfect

[lyric lodge]

GOD I HATE SPECTRES

[robust nacelle]

yeah not they're not the friendliest of dogs

[lyric lodge]

Shit got so bad i had to pull out my crucible 😭🙏

And i have to do all that all over again because of a tyrant.

[robust nacelle]

you'll get it bro just focus on your stack (ammo armor health) than weapon combos

[lyric lodge]

Theres two platforms to stand on bro tf is there to even do

NO

MOTHERFUCKER I DIED TO A TENTACLE ON THE TYRANT ENCOUNTER

[storm field]

No there is crucible charge

[robust nacelle]

if your in the sewers like I think you are what I would do is try and lock on rocket into chaingun shield bash with ice bomb as fast as possible then crucible the other tyrant. then deal with the spectres

[lyric lodge]

Theres more than just one tyrant?

[storm field]

No theres only 2 tyrant tentacles mecha zombies

[robust nacelle]

yeah another tyrant spawns in after the first one dies I think

idk why I thought there was spectres there