doom-eternal

[austere bronze]

Or instead of playing with cheat codes, maybe up the difficulty?

[hollow nymph]

omg guys doom eternal 2 is happening

april fools goodbye ,

[austere bronze]

Many people falling for april fools today

[wanton anvil]

How do i upgrade the chainsaw

[austere bronze]

You can't

[wanton anvil]

Does the chainsww hold more ammo?

[slow sigil]

you can see that it holds 3 pips

[wanton anvil]

Im asking of it can hold more

[thin slate]

Hey, I'm having an hard time finding a slayer key in the Exultia level, could you help me finding it? I watched a video and it says it should be in a place but it's not there so Idk

[austere bronze]

It can't

[rare fable]

i am trying to complete all steam achievements and now i started to play battlemode.. wth is happening and why campaign is so much better ?

[azure oriole]

Play the tutorial. Also the campaign is better probably because doom games are designed around the campaign with the multiplayer as a secondary focus.

[slow sigil]

isn't there a tutorial for MP

[slow sigil]

do you have cheats?

[rare fable]

When you see slayer door, climb up the walls and jump with dash refill and then you’ll get it

[thin slate]

ah, yes

I can't do it with cheats?

[slow sigil]

i'm pretty sure either slayer gates or cheats say you can't have both

[thin slate]

I did this level too many times 😭

[midnight bolt]

I saw the campaign side content after buying Battlemode, so I tried it out.
Worst experience of my life.
They hit the nail on the head with Battlemode, but the campaign just kinda sucked.
I wish it was more like Battlemode.

[slow sigil]

trolling used to be believable

[azure oriole]

It's an April fool's joke, no one believes it.

[glossy warren]

for being a day about jokes april fools is the unfunniest thing ever

[unreal flare]

april fools! It's actually really funny

[glossy warren]

that wasnt an april fools joke unfortunately

[unreal flare]

you almost got us hahaha, what a silly goose

[rose pine]

stretched res in doom is the best bro

it feels so nice idk why

[honest wave]

Doom eternal lowkey fun

[dense escarp]

Only lowkey?

[honest wave]

Because it’s underrated

[dense escarp]

Yeah, I guess I'm also biased though

[cerulean cairn]

hello

[dense escarp]

Hi

[slow sigil]

Pretty sure april fools is over

[sinful herald]

Lol

I just started doom eternal and it’s been like 5 hrs and it’s such a blast

[vernal halo]

Its a blast indeed

[silk python]

my pc turns into a heater when i run eternal

keepin my settings on high, otherwise the game just crashes

weirdly enough, it doesnt crash when i play battlemode though

[jaunty wigeon]

most overrated game in the series

[amber oar]

It took afew weeks of attempts but I've beaten doom eternal story mode Ultra nightmare for the 3rd time. I wanna die

[rose thistle]

...
Third??

[cyan sorrel]

What the temperature ?

If around 70ish- 80 should still be fine for a mid-end pc

Pretty much my normal temperature after switch to 21:9 monitor and uncapped fps

[silk python]

hmm ill try and check later

not home at the moment

[upbeat widget]

Hello

[austere bronze]

Hello

[upbeat widget]

Can somebody help me

I can't play Battle mode

[austere bronze]

Maybe because you have mods installed, or idk about this tho you have to buy it seperately from the campaign

[upbeat widget]

No, no mods. I'm casually on PS5. I don't even have a PC

I literally can't start it because of errors, and that for almost 2 months now

Or 4, idk

[jolly kernel]

anyone here actually finds the Earth Zombies to be adorable? :V

they look so goofy and cartoony

[upbeat widget]

They do look kinda goofy

[lime pasture]

So it’s been like a week since I beat TAG for the first time and something has been on my mind
(TAG spoilers obviously)
||I understand that Doomguy didn’t resurrect the Father because he knew the Father would stop him from killing the Dark Lord, but why did he destroy the life sphere? He could have just brought both spheres with him so he could resurrect the dark lord, kill him, and THEN resurrect the father (because i don’t think he was aware that he would lose his power from killing Davoth)||

Because obviously Doomguy isn’t an enemy of the Father or the Seraphim

[slow sigil]

doomguy likely either hates "godly authority", or is afraid thefather will juyst return things to status quo and not allow davoth to be killed

[lime pasture]

but if davoth is already dead then father can’t do crap to preserve him

[slow sigil]

davoth wasn't dead, he was just minimized to near no threat

he could still corrupt people (like he did to the makyrs)

[lime pasture]

i’m not taking about when davoth was in the life sphere

i’m talking about when doomguy killed him at the end of TAG

because it kept saying over and over again that davoth can be killed when he’s in his physical form

[slow sigil]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

tag2 isn't proofread, it was rushed so blame that

[lime pasture]

also there was that whole thing that of davoth is killed, all the demons outside of hell would cease to exist

but does that include zombies, revenants, and doom hunters?

[slow sigil]

probably?

[lime pasture]

because revenants were UAC employees, zombies were humans, and doom hunters were the Agaddon beasts that existed on earth before humans

my guess is that the zombies and revenants got depossessed, so the zombies continued to live in zombified bodies with their original minds and the revenants probably just died immediately because their bodies were too far gone

and the doom hunters just remained the same because they were never demonified, they were just cyborgs of prehistoric creatures

which are completely different

doomguy killing davoth

[storm field]

yeah

[lime pasture]

when did i ever say anything about doomguy killing himself

[storm field]

ok my bad ı read it wrong sorry

[lime pasture]

it’s all good

your brain glitched, it happens to everyone

[cyan sorrel]

https://youtu.be/bfUUJhjdIIU?si=X8IoHuD3NUbxclOA
Bro 💀 quick swapping too

[azure oriole]

The Slayer does not give a shit about the Father.

He has no reason to. He doesn't owe the Father anything, and it could be argued the Father's allowed more bad than good to happen.

[lime pasture]

ture

true*

his only real motivation is avenging his wife, son, and bunny

[young bane]

Anyone on Xbox tryna play battle mode

[glad oracle]

I thought DOOM 1-64 is a different timeline from the newer games (I mean it's not like both earth and mars are gonna get invaded by hell twice)

[lime pasture]

no, bethesda did a really ballsy (but awesome) move and connected the two

[small helm]

universe is indeed different, character is the same guy however

[lime pasture]

no the timeline is the same

[small helm]

fixed it

i shouldn't be typing half asleep

[lime pasture]

in 2020, bethesda added a new campaign to doom 64 called the Lost Levels that bridged the gap between the events of doom 64 and the events of doom 2016

[glad oracle]

Okay but in the first game and second game for example, the Spider Mastermind is a Species, in doom 2016 it's Dark lord's soul + Olivia's soul and body.

[lime pasture]

thus, same universe

[glad oracle]

So much stuff is different

[lime pasture]

Yes but that one example should not disqualify the fact that they are the same universe

it has been confirmed that doom 1, 2, and 64 are in the same universe as doom 2016 and eternal

there are a bunch of codex entries in both doom 2016 and doom eternal that explain that this is the original doomguy

the only game that has not been confirmed to be in the same universe is doom 3 for obvious reasons

[burnt herald]

Is there a fix for vanishing weapons in UN run? (I loaded into the game and poof, my weapons are gone, cant punch, cant do anything)

[glad oracle]

Okay then what about the fact that the UAC is a normal corp in original Doom and in newer games it's some satanic cult guys who study turning humans and demons into tortured hellish cyborgs and opening gates to hell.

[lime pasture]

because at the time of classic doom, it was a normal corporation. But over time, hell managed to corrupt the UAC personnel and make them want to help the demons

Samuel Hayden even states that hell corrupted Olivia Pierce and turned her evil

its somewhat similar to what happened with Dr. Betruger in doom 3

[young mango]

it’s also because they’re completely different UACs in different universes

[lime pasture]

they are the same universe

[young mango]

@azure oriole lol?

[lime pasture]

the codex entries in doom 2016 and doom eternal even state this

[slow sigil]

it's a different universe, same multiverse

[young mango]

source the codex that says that

[slow sigil]

timelines simply don't match up, it's as easy as that

[young mango]

word for word I don’t want a paraphrase

[azure oriole]

Correction: They are within the same multiverse. The Slayer is the original Doomguy, but Eternal's Earth is not Doom II's Earth. The Slayer traverses multiple dimensions.

[lime pasture]

but they are in the same canon, am i correct?

[azure oriole]

Yes.

I think it's just a matter of semantics. It's a multiverse, but it's all in the same canon.

Same Doomguy. Different UACs, different Earths; all connect to the same Hell, which has invaded multiple Earths.

[slow sigil]

also how doom3 is canon, not the same universe but same multiverse

[lime pasture]

doom 3 is up in the air whether its canon, at least as far as i know

but a lot of evidence is against it being canon

[azure oriole]

Doom 3 is indeed canon. It's another universe, so most of it is unrelated to 2016 or the OG games.

But it does have lore that connects directly to the other games. The Martian Hero is implied to be the original Doomguy, and the Argenta appear in this game in lore as the Martians.

[young mango]

I don’t recall what you said but you said something about the argenta being martians or something being what helped support the idea that it’s canon

[lime pasture]

how does doomguy travel across universes? that part i dont understand

[young mango]

hell portals or smthn idk

[slow sigil]

after doom 64 a portal just took him to the universe of nudoom

that's literally it

[lime pasture]

Is that how he ended up in argent d'nur?

[slow sigil]

yup

[lime pasture]

ok that makes a lot more sense

[azure oriole]

Think of Doom's canon as a spider-web; each notch is another dimension, many of them have Earths.
Below the spider web is Hell. Above the spider web is Urdak. Hell has invaded multiple of these "notches," and Doomguy's ended up getting there.
He goes from his OG world, to Hell, then to Doom 3's Mars through Hell after they invaded it, then he ends up with the Argenta - when he becomes the Slayer he rampages through Hell for eons until finally UAC people from a third "notch," 2016's universe, find him in the sarcophagus.

Multiple Earths. But only one Hell, and only one Urdak.

So the Hell we fight in Doom 1 is the same Hell we see in Doom 3, and in Doom 2016 - just in different points of time, and in different dimensions they're invading.

[lime pasture]

Wait but if the portal that sent doomguy to Argent D'Nur was after doom 64, how did he end up in doom 3?

[slow sigil]

doom3 is a different guy as protagonist

[young mango]

I think he means his encounter with the argenta

[azure oriole]

OG Doomguy appears in Doom 3 as a figure in the lore, not the protagonist.

[azure oriole]

Doom 3's lore mentions the Martians, a race of proto-humans, being invaded by Hell and nearly rendered extinct before their Hero, a man depicted as Doomguy, defeated the demons using the Soul Cube. This lore happens millions of years before the events of Doom 3.
The Martians are clearly Argenta, as named in 2016, a race of medieval-aesthetic space warriors who worship the Maykrs. Doom 3's Martians are likely an Argenta sect that dimension-hopped. It is very possible Doomguy had this encounter after 64, ended up with these Martians through Hell's invasion, and then found his way on Sentinel Prime (in 2016/Eternal's dimension) through some sort of portal.

[young mango]

also there was TONS of time for that to happen, after 2016 he only goes to hell for a few MONTHS, it’s after becoming the slayer with the help of the divinity machine he spends EONS

[slow sigil]

iirc there are extremely few timeframes being told

[azure oriole]

Yeah. The Argenta shit happens relatively soon after 64; but eons happen between the Argenta shit and 2016.

[slow sigil]

theoretically it could all happen in like, mere days

[azure oriole]

Yeah, the timeframe is vague.

[slow sigil]

but that would be a stupid assumption

[lime pasture]

so how did the soul cube end up back in OG Doomguy's possession after the Doom 3 Marine used it?

[azure oriole]

All we know for sure is that all of the Argenta lore happened before Hell's First Age ended. 2016 happens at the end of Hell's Fourth Age. So the Slayer rampaged across Hell for basically like two Ages before being put to sleep, which would likely be eons.

[slow sigil]

i wouldn't take the slayer's room too serious

[azure oriole]

I dunno. Possibly just an easter egg. I don't take a good amount of the Fortress' references seriously.

[slow sigil]

maybe an age is like, 12 hours though

[lime pasture]

I feel like this is a stupid question, but does that mean that John Grimm's doom universe could fit into that multiverse?

[azure oriole]

It's possible, but I doubt they will ever reference the film.

[glad oracle]

If you are talking about the easter egg in his room then you might as well say Daisy is alive cause you can spot her as an easter egg in every level. (No insult intended)

[azure oriole]

There are no stupid questions here though. Okay. There are some. But not a lot. Shit is complex.

[slow sigil]

hugo said it was a hallucination so eh bit more believable

[glad oracle]

so I would not consider easter eggs canon

[lime pasture]

i used to think that half life's lore was complex but doom is something else

[glad oracle]

k I guess

[glad oracle]

nah half-life is still weird to me even tho it was one of my first video games

doom is becoming clear to me by now

[slow sigil]

i love subjective POVs for codex entries and contradictionary statements from the lead designer, especially combined with a rushed lore in their last dlc!!!

[young mango]

they can’t even make up their mind for what they want the lore to be cough cough patch 5 changing mysterious voice to the dark lord

[lime pasture]

yeah like now theres a bunch of people questioning if doomguy is a clone of davoth or if doomguy is literally a god and thats why he was able to kill davoth and it just makes it so much harder to wrap my head around

im just hoping year zero finally fixes everything but thats probably misplaced hope

[slow sigil]

doomguy and davoth's similarity in appearance have not a single connection at all, their only link is that doomguy got his vaguely defined powers from the divinity machine with a piece of power of davoth

[vale pebble]

the slayer is actually skibidi which makes him the strongest god to ever live

[azure oriole]

The most trustworthy source you can use for this shit is the actual Codex entries and the lore guide I wrote, which is pinned in this channel. Not to be egotistical but I researched that shit and put like a year into writing it; it will answer any questions you have.

[glad oracle]

I just realized but if fortress of doom easter eggs are canon that means Markiplier and half-life are canon in doom universe

[lime pasture]

yeah once i finish my UN runs on TAG 1 and 2 (i havent started it yet out of fear of UN seraphim) i'm gonna go through doom 2016 and doom eternal and just spend a couple hours reading all the codex entries

my completionist addiction is a curse

[cerulean cairn]

hello

[austere bronze]

Hello

[azure oriole]

Hello

[tardy trail]

Yooo wsg

[azure oriole]

hi

[rose thistle]

wait you can?

[rose thistle]

Aren't the Argenta just the Night Sentinels/the people of Argent d'Nur?

[azure oriole]

Yes.

Argenta is the species.
Sentinels are their army.
Night Sentinels are their top elite soldiers.

[rose thistle]

how do we know the Doom 3 martians were Argenta?
also... remind me, did 2016 have martians?

[azure oriole]

They're described exactly the same - proto-humans with teleportation technology whose culture was focused on war and fighting prowess and had run-ins with demons.

By virtue of having the Argenta, 2016 had Martians. They are very heavily implied to be the same species, just named differently by different UAC iterations.

[rose thistle]

proto-humans?
aren't the argenta like, just dudes? doesn't "proto-humans" imply modern humanity decended from them?
modern doom Argenta aren't even from the same dimension as earth's humans

[rose thistle]

I mean, that's just correlation. It could be a different war teleporting space guys.

[rose thistle]

I meant more like, idr if part of the story was the UAC finding ruins of a civilization on Mars or something

[azure oriole]

Yes. Humans are Argenta descendants.

The Argenta are confirmed to have colonized Eternal's Earth. Both planets are in the same dimension. We see Argenta artifacts on Earth.

[azure oriole]

Oh. Nah. UAC finds Argenta shit in Hell, Eternal retroactively shows us it was on Mars as well.

IIRC anyway.

[rose thistle]

oh yeah that shit
why was there a fucking, ancient argenta city in the core of mars. wtf
how do you even get a city into the core of a planet

[empty basin]

🪄

[rose thistle]

we do? where?

[azure oriole]

The Argenta are fucking nuts. They've been an empire spanning galaxies for loooong before Doomguy ever met them. They colonized several planets under the banner of the Maykrs, and the Martians in 3 imply their conquest even spanned dimensions.

[rose thistle]

oh yeah that makes sense actually

[azure oriole]

In Eternal's first level we see an ancient bell for a clock tower with Argenta text scrawled across the base.
The lore Codexes for Cultist Base and Doom Hunter Base also confirm the Argenta were present on Earth during its prehistoric age. The bases are retrofitted from ancient Argenta architecture, and Doom Hunters are cyborgs made from ancient primordial monsters that were on Earth at the time.

[rose thistle]

i rember now...

[azure oriole]

On top of this the Urdak Codex implies the Maykrs' existence is what led to warped versions of their doctrine as religions, like Christianity, which would imply the Argenta were here to become humans and misrepresent this lore.

[rose thistle]

iirc the only entry mentioning that says that the word "Urdak" can be translated in many languages to mean "paradise" or "heaven", not necessarily all that other stuff?
I mean it's possible but it only makes the comment on language specifically

also that reminds me
the Maykrs were connecting with other races too, weren't they? The Argenta were just one of those they made contact with.
Who's to say like, idk maybe the Doom 3 Martians were one of these races? or something? idk

oh hey wait a second
I have a question
@azure oriole the Khan Maykr goes on a lot about the Maykrs' "sacred traditions" of fucking over civilisations to sustain themselves, but like
isn't that all like, fairly recent?
like up until Doomguy showed up in Argent they were still going through that proper cycle of theirs, right? It wasn't until they discovered the hell energy that they could put off transfiguration, and wasn't until Samur removed the Father that they were forced to do that to keep going.
Also just realizing, how tf did the Maykrs not know about Hell?? It's literally where they came from. Not even accounting for them like losing it to history or something, they have explicit lore saying that the conciousness and knowledge of every Maykr that ever was is preserved in some kind of hive mind. So how was Doomguy their first time hearing about there being demons??

[azure oriole]

Give me a few to get home and I'll get back to you.

[azure oriole]

So, on this:

Similarities can also be drawn to multiple pan-galactic religions, indicating that the Maykr's influence was not limited to Argent D'Nur, and that over eons their influence has spread across the galaxy, and potentially the universe. Some imagery is akin to religious icons in the Orion-Cygnus arm of the Milky Way, an area which includes Earth.
This is from the Urdak entry.

[azure oriole]

This is possible but the Martians and Argenta are simply identical. I think, personally, it's best to go with the assumption they are the same until proven otherwise.

[rose thistle]

ah right, yeah. I forgor

[azure oriole]

On this: The Maykrs have been subjugating cultures for the majority of their existence, ever since the Father became a Life Sphere. It's just that before the Transfiguration nonsense, they essentially did it "just because" - the Maykrs are narcissistic and self-worshipping, and they feel it's in their culture to demand worship from "lesser" species. They did this to the Argenta long before it was a necessity.
It was only when the Father was stolen from the Luminarium that the process of Transfiguration got ruined and the Maykrs required souls to sustain their lives.

In fact it's possible the Maykrs did this even when the Father was alive. It is 100% possible the Father was approving of this and in fact led in it. We just don't know for sure. If he did, that could be a reason why it was best for his Life Sphere to be shattered.

[azure oriole]

And finally, on this last part: I believe it's plausible that, given the Maykrs' rewriting of their own history, that they willingly forgot (perhaps intentionally so) about Hell in order to push it from their minds, insisting Hell no longer exists. This would be another facet of their narcissism and hubris.
Eons passed between the Maykrs' and demons last conflict and the Argenta lore. I think the Maykrs are simply arrogant and, while they have this knowledge preserved in the hivemind, simply never bothered to keep up on it because they deemed it unimportant.

[rose thistle]

I mean I didn't get any vibe that they were like, destroying civilisations beforehand. It seemed to me they were more just colonists, going around and spreading their influence, getting lower civilisations to worship them because, like you said, they're narcissists, but nothing suggested they were getting them to "sacrifice themselves to find redemption"
I mean, before Argenta they wouldn't even get anything out of death, there were no soul factories or anything.

[azure oriole]

The Maykrs weren't necessarily destroying civilizations.

But they didn't intend to destroy humanity either!

[slow sigil]

they just merely wanted to keep us as cattle! so considerate

[azure oriole]

Yes, this.

The Argenta weren't wiped out by the Maykrs - they still were allowed to live, albeit under an oppressive regime.

The Khan doesn't want humanity dead until the Slayer pisses her off enough to unleash the Icon.

She wants a nice, compliant population in which they can routinely cull, like, 15% and keep the rest worshipping them.

[rose thistle]

that's nice of her

I mean either way they didn't have much reason to cull and sacrifice other civilizations before argent either

[rose thistle]

guys
so
I looked through the data

the CSG literally has less effective range than the SSG
like
the SSG literally just, goes farther before its damage starts falling off
and it's by a significant margin

what the fuck

[umbral totem]

https://youtu.be/9c649VLb4ZI?si=Zy-yW2A1qpd3tanb I’m trash can someone plz explain me what I’m doing wrong so I can improve

[rose thistle]

the CSG literally hits min damage at the same point that the SSG starts to dip below max

[rose thistle]

try not getting hit by the cyber mancubus next time
hope this helps

idk man you're playing better than me honestly lol

[umbral totem]

@young mango plz assist

[umbral totem]

But I died in that room with the specter pinkies in gutter garbage

[rose thistle]

oh like you lost a life

[umbral totem]

Yea and then I died for real at the part after the buff totem room

I have to beat it on ultra nightmare or else I’m trash so I’m trying to practice

[rose thistle]

nah man...
beating it on UN, that won't make you not trash
for that you need to ditch that toxic mentallity

that's scrub talk right there

[glossy warren]

un is for the best

dont jump from wherever you are straight to un unless you can minimze deaths on nmare

[hardy ledge]

Gaming is about having fun, not torturing yourself. Difficulty modes are selectable, on purpose, so that you can min-max what really matters: Your fun per second!

[glossy warren]

this guy says it all 🔥

[hardy ledge]

You might also consider installing some mods. There are a great number of mods that can enhance visuals and gameplay, to whatever your specific tastes are.

[rose thistle]

un is a fine goal to aim for, of course, but you shouldn't stress yourself out over it
and you certainly shouldn't attach and notions of pride or self-worth to your ability to conquer it

[hardy ledge]

"Rip and tear, until it is done" leaves plenty of creative freedom. Explode demons, have fun.

I personally enjoy using strategies that I find maximally fun, but are mechanically suboptimal. I sometimes do nightmare if I want to challenge myself. Typically I do ultra-violence.

My family watches me game as well sometimes, so I'm doing that playthrough on 'Hurt Me Plenty'. Just so that the demons zip around less & they have a better spectator experience.

This way, when my family says "Use the BFG again! That thing's awesome", my reply will never ever ever be: "But we have to save the ammo"

Nope, fuck it, we are clearing zombies with the BFG today!

Best zombie clearance tool!

[rose thistle]

does anyone know what the weird symbols in the damage doc mean?

[strange gale]

do take spread into account though

[rose thistle]

right yeah, fair
but still, like
???

[strange gale]

there's a google doc in the top left of the damage spreadsheet that explains the symbols

[rose thistle]

oh I'm a dumbass
I've checked this doc several times to find the symbols but didn't spot them until now lol

[austere bronze]

I can maybe watch it and see if I can find anything once I get home from school (:

[rose thistle]

upside down smiley..... ominous...

...hey am i reading this wrong or does the marauder not take extra headshot damage from every weapon in the game except specifically the sticky bomb

wh

[strange gale]

it was a cool niche combo option but became worthless after the 5.0 pb falter change

[rose thistle]

oh hey actually
how does staggering work? i see there's a stagger health value, is that like, once they hit that threshold they'll get staggered?
or is it something weird like that's how much health they get set to when staggered, or that's how much health they get set to when they're staggered or something

anyway if I'm reading this right a single ballista shot to the eye should instantly stagger a cacodemon, right?

[strange gale]

it's just a health threshold

cacodemons and pain elementals have hilariously picky crit hitboxes by the way

it doesn't matter if you visually hit the eye, sometimes you just don't get a crit

oh and the pain elemental's crit spot is on its forehead, not on its eye

[rose thistle]

wh

[lilac iris]

pain elementals are so tanky and annoying + their crit spot never registers 💀

[empty basin]

Their worst part is how inconsistent it is to try and Meathook onto them

[lilac iris]

holy fuck yeah

[austere bronze]

you can crit in doom eternal??

[lilac iris]

some enemies

maykr drone's critical hit point in DE is its head

for an example

[austere bronze]

But how do you crit pain elementals?

I just know about weak points and maykrs head

[rose thistle]

headshot on most enemies

gives a slight damage bonus
ever notice zombies stagger in 2 heavy cannon shots to the chest but just 1 to the head?

[rose thistle]

also

[austere bronze]

oh yeah yeah, I’ve noticed it on zombies and plasma shield guys

[rose thistle]

of course lots of enemies also just have that explicit weak points stuff going on
like mancubus cannons and arachnotron turrets and the like

[rose thistle]

oh yeah on this
so
the SSG
does have twice the base spread of the CSG
and twice the horizontal spread multiplier
meaning its shots are spread out 4 times as much

but also consider
it just does a shit-ton more damage (like 3 times per pellet)
it has 60% more pellets to begin with
it, for some ungodly reason, just does extra damage on 90% of the enemies in the game because ig it wasn't strong enough

[austere bronze]

there is a reason for it being called super

[rose thistle]

At least it's not as absurd as the 2016 SSG lol

[austere bronze]

yepp, wasn’t there an upgrade that made you able to fire it twice before reloading it?

[young mango]

you just gave me a great idea

[hardy ledge]

If you want SSG firepower with CSG spread, I recommend checking out the redeemer shotgun mod (it's not an in-game weapon mod, it's a mod you have to install into Doom Eternal that changes the per-pellet damage of the CSG)

It turns full auto into a very satisfying chaingun-shotgun hybrid.

And those big enemies will catch all the pellets well outside of point-blank range. Which is...satisfying.

[young mango]

so for TAG2 speedrunning, immoran soldiers are a very peculiar case because in the 5.0/5.1 patches, they have virtually no hp, usually you just spam a rapid fire weapon hoping to hit them with at least 1 bullet, but with the high pellet count of the super shotgun, I wonder if it’s more efficient to just aim the SSG in their vicinity and basically kill them without even having to aim, making a minor timesave

[young mango]

doom 2016 also had universal cooldowns on every weapon, sure you can shoot twice in your shotgun all you want, but if an identical mechanic existed in doom eternal, punchswapping would be more overall DPS. or even deadswapping

imagine how overpowered the meta would be if you could shoot the SSG twice in eternal, any meta that uses punchswapping would just become mind numbingly easy

shoot shotgun twice
punch
shoot shotgun twice
punch
shoot shotgun once
baron of hell dead

also if you don’t have any damage falloff whatsoever that’s also enough to kill a doom hunter outright ( the regular enemy variant )

[austere bronze]

that would obviously be overpowered in doom eternal yeah

does punchswapping deal more dps than regular quick switching?

[young mango]

situationally. but in most cases no

but sometimes punchswapping isn’t used in the sense of raw damage

[empty basin]

It's usually used more to spread out damage across multiple enemies

rather than dealing more DPS, at least from what I know anyways

[rose thistle]

The mastery. You could just double click on a hell knight and it would die

[empty basin]

i.e. using Sticky punchswapping to clear out groups of fodder that are spread out

[young mango]

precision bolt punchswapping is good for clearing fodder
rocket punchswapping is good for massive splash damage ( I.e. wiping out a horde of pinkies without blood punches )
ballista punchswapping can be used for traversal

[young mango]

sticky punchswapping is obsolete as opposed to just hitting the headshots on fodder, but it’s good for when you don’t feel like having to aim

[empty basin]

That mastery in 2016 was so stupid tbh, it literally gives you double damage for free??

[rose thistle]

I'm making my own mod for it. I shall return it to its classic doom glory...

[young mango]

and being as I am somebody who plays with a ludicrously high sensitivity, aimings hard

[rose thistle]

Not for free, you have to unlock it first!

[empty basin]

"Hey thanks for using one of the best weapons in the game, as a reward we'll upgrade it to the bestest weapon in the game" 👍

"All you have to do is to just use it"

[rose thistle]

I played that game super casually and even i could tell it was broken

[umbral totem]

if you use rocket lock on + pb + ballista it puts them in a glory kill state

or if you use double lock on, it kills them

[rose thistle]

Lots of quick combos on them, yeah

I think just balista lob takes em out, or maybe just staggers

[umbral totem]

i like to use the first one cuz rocket ammo is very limited and takes 2 chainsaws to regenerate it

[rose thistle]

Wgat if you don't have the pb mastery?

[umbral totem]

also i learned the other day that one arbalest is enough to kill a cacodemon you dont' need to use the shotgun grenades

[empty basin]

Well then you should work on it smh

[rose thistle]

Yeah

[hardy ledge]

Now in 2016, I got A TON of mileage out of SSG/CSG-burst swapping. By the time you blow the super shotgun load, the three round burst is ready. By the time you shoot the three round burst, the SSG is reloaded. It shreds through shells, but it was undeniably awesome.

[rose thistle]

Also if they're in a group, the explosion will stagger the others

[young mango]

then no

[rose thistle]

That does sound awesome

[hardy ledge]

The only thing that could have been more awesome would be like...dual-wielding a pair of shotguns.

[rose thistle]

Hey I think I might have the game for you

[empty basin]

I remember the clockner Kadingir Sanctum video where he modswaps to the Burst Shot mod of Combat Shotgun to finish off a Baron (at least I think it was), so badass

[austere bronze]

okey, thanks

[empty basin]

I'm pretty sure that video was many people's eye-opener to quickswitching in 2016

[umbral totem]

@young mango hi teacher, could you plz watch my video and tell me what i'm doing wrong so I can improve and beat it without dying? the master level

[empty basin]

Unfortunate that the person didn't really vibe with Eternal, but that's ok

[hardy ledge]

Combat shotgun in Doom 2016 was one of the instruments I used to burn down the final boss in the game. It never really goes obsolete.

[young mango]

pb mastery is the dumbest shit ever btw “yea you have to kill 75 enemies with a headshot to unlock splash damage when you headshot things.”
Then there’s the super shotgun
“yo kill 50 enemies with ssg to unlock a perk that makes it drop 30 whole armor every time you kill an enemy with the meathook”

[rose thistle]

Haha yeah

[hardy ledge]

Masteries in Doom Eternal are a little weird like that.

[umbral totem]

ignored by teacher 😦 😦

[young mango]

no sorry I was typing that message before you sent the one you sent so I finished it first

[umbral totem]

good thing mastery tokens help you save time, plus I hardly ever change mods ever anyways

[rose thistle]

There's a spectrum of "not even a challenge", "yeah that's fair", "weird but ok" and "why"

[umbral totem]

https://youtu.be/9c649VLb4ZI?si=Zy-yW2A1qpd3tanb here is the video bhai plz critique me when you have a chance thanks many

[empty basin]

The most stupid Mastery Challenge is the Chaingun Shield lol, at least for PB and Meathook you still have to "think" about the mastery

Chaingun Shield Mastery is literally "just press M2 a bunch of times" lol

[rose thistle]

At least it wasn't "absorb x damage with the shield"

And it like
Kinda connects to what the mastery does ig

[empty basin]

I mean every other challenge has it so that you gotta kill x for y times

Chaingun Shield instead just needs you to deal damage, and it doesn't even need to be from the chaingun itself

You can shoot a rocket and then pull out the shield and it'd count towards the damage counter for the challenge

[rose thistle]

Oh wow

That's
Pretty hilarious actually

[empty basin]

grenades, blood punch, dashing, etc etc all counts towards the challenge

[rose thistle]

You ever think about how dashing does more damage than punching

[young mango]

your quickswitching could be better, but that’s not really what’s holding you back, in your situation it would only make you faster. I skimmed through a bit of it and to when you died, you have good fundamentals and I feel like the only reason you died at the end is because you started panicking

[rose thistle]

They also lost a life to a pinky they were upset about

[umbral totem]

specter

[rose thistle]

Potato invisible potato

[umbral totem]

it was in the toxic room and there were so many that i got overwhelmed and didn't know what to do

[empty basin]

Meanwhile you have totally absurd challenges like Full Auto needing you to kill 15 Pinkies with the mod

[umbral totem]

yea i just can't figure out how to pb rocket fast enough, i suck at quick switching no matter how much i practice it

[empty basin]

There's only like 30 Pinkies throughout the entire game so you have to always remember to do the challenge

[umbral totem]

how do I prevent myself from panicking when shit hits the fan?

[empty basin]

unless you just savescum on one pinky at Super Gore Nest or w/e

[umbral totem]

nah what you do is do super gore nest, then at the part where the pinkie pops out of the door, just kill it reload the checkpoint and keep doing that over and over again

that's also how i got lock on mastery i just kept reloading the mars core level cuz a prowler always spawns when you exit the elevator lol

[rose thistle]

Tbh I think masteries are just not great design. At best you get them without thinking through normal gameplay and otherwise you have to go out of your way for them and it breaks up the flow

[empty basin]

Finished typing that before you do 😜

[umbral totem]

yea fuck got mogged by chad Ratentaisou

need to be better at this game like him and tams

[young mango]

also for the pinky section it was a mix of things, I honestly think ontop of it being panicking, and less than optimal decision making. you got a teeny bit screwed over, you were at a very specific health value where you didn’t hit the low health status so one shot/damage reduction didn’t kick in and you got killed despite having the ability to have been able to tank the shot had you had gotten to lower health first.

[rose thistle]

Maybe if they were used as like, soft tutorials on how to use the mod effectively
Like some of them already kinda do that but then they're super grind a lot of the time too

[empty basin]

Also as far as I know, it's not like the Pinky armor takes extra damage from Full Auto either, so like how the hell are we meant to complete the challenge normally???

[rose thistle]

Doesn't one shot protection only apply when you're above the threshold?

[rose thistle]

Shoot em in the ass!

[empty basin]

For Lock-On Rockets it uses Prowlers to promote that "Oh this thing seeks out stuffs even if they teleports away", but Full Auto using Pinkies for the challenge promotes nothing, using the weapon against Pinkies has no inherent advantage

[rose thistle]

I actually got the mastery my first playthrough without much trouble
But that probably involved a lot of dying and loading lol

[rose thistle]

Lock on doesn't even seek if enemies teleport though
Like that specifically breaks it

[young mango]

nope the games stupid, the only things I can recall is having armor values above 25, and having the low health display prevents you from dying in one hit ( although the low health display one shot prevention has a cooldown, don’t remember the number )

[rose thistle]

Wh

[young mango]

there’s probably more ways to prevent getting one shot that I’m forgetting right now

[rose thistle]

I'll look into this in the morning, I need to be going to bed lol

[young mango]

so this guy got fucked by having a specific health pool to where his health was too low to tank the shot, but too high to make one shot prevention kick in

[umbral totem]

fuck how do i not panic though i feel like that causes a lot of downfall because sometimes there's so many demons crammed into 1 room i can't even process what to do lol

[young mango]

idk maybe like weave around for a little bit and form a rudimentary plan while you’re dodging everything

[umbral totem]

i'm not sure if i should practice quick switching more before trying the master level again, but i just can't hack it

[empty basin]

You can abuse the chaingun shield to give yourself breathing room while formulating something, that thing can last up to 6 seconds

[umbral totem]

how fast can you quick switch bhai?

[young mango]

what does “bhai” stand for

[umbral totem]

it means bro in desi language

[empty basin]

Oh right right, what I meant to say is that since Prowlers teleports around, LOB are fast enough to catch them before they teleport

[young mango]

maybe I’m tripping or maybe it’s just getting hit reducing the timer but I swear it feels like chaingun shield lasts longer on lower difficulties

[empty basin]

Which is what I meant by inherent advantage

[umbral totem]

not archviles though u have to freeze those guys or else they teleport away

[empty basin]

It's because you take less damage from enemy attacks

[umbral totem]

i was playing on nightmare though so that doesn't apply to this sotuation

[young mango]

that’s what I thought

[umbral totem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bre4lt4cyhU nice i rediscovered your video I will study it to see how I can improve and fix

[young mango]

dunno, but this is the hardest I’ve tried at making something impressive https://youtu.be/3N8rXDmyFPA?si=ViiPAKWpAMbBPvJz

[empty basin]

The shield has 600 HP, and basically it has a constant DoT on itself that drains 100 HP per second

[young mango]

ah okay

[empty basin]

6 seconds is a ton of time lol, no idea why they didn't make the health decay to be at least 200 HP

But yeah this means on lower difficulties, the Shield can take more hits since enemies deals less damage

[young mango]

it was odd because when I switched my classic difficulty speedruns from ITYTD to UV, the wolf skip set up became a bit different ( literally requires you to stand still for a few seconds, so energy shield is crucial )

[empty basin]

I think this is the only weapon in the game where it's objectively better on lower difficulties lol

[young mango]

btw something that I didn’t know for the longest time is ITYTD in specific gives more ammo in terms of pick ups, which I find weird because it’s obviously a homage to classic doom, which makes me wonder why they didn’t do the same for nightmare

[empty basin]

didn't it also used to give more ammo from chainsaws? and iirc they removed that after a certain point

[young mango]

they added the feature in 6.0, removed it in 6.4

what a weird decision btw

not the adding it part, the removing it part

[empty basin]

I think it's because most people don't actually play on ITYTD so they just included it as some sort of easter egg.
Meanwhile for Nightmare they probably didn't want it to cause a weird discrepancy when the hardcore players finish their campaign for the first time on UV and then doing another on NM

[young mango]

like why would you add a quality of life feature only to have it around for liek what, 98 days?

[young mango]

If ITYTD had the same amount of tokens as UV, the pickups giving more ammo alone would be enough for me to consider going back to it without a second thought

a pattern I’ve seen all across doom eternal level design is plasma pickups almost ALWAYS come in twos, 60 ammo on higher difficulties as allowed to 90 on ITYTD is kinda wild

dude but tokens alone make ITYTD speedruns just not worth it for me anymore

[young mango]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxynoTPjvim6A8hYSBO7eGJVucrWQ4fh8e?si=Pm04R03GNXzRUJIC

no joke, this happening to me single-handedly made me stop doing my speedruns on ITYTD.

[young mango]

guy in the comments trying to give me advice got on my nerves “ermm achsually you Can bait the blood maykr into doing their ground slam attack and then they’ll green light” that only works when they have sufficient tokens, and then he proceeded to say it was because of tokens, being wrong on the first part and right on the second; contradicting himself. Like dude if you bait them on lower difficulties they will NOT greenlight

[empty basin]

Yikes that was a whole 25 seconds

[young mango]

people think just because they watched a speedrunning video on YouTube or like have talked to a person who is experienced it suddenly makes them an expert on everything and makes them feel like they need to give criticism or unwarranted advice that by the way is flat out wrong. dunning Kruger man.

I hate it man, backseat gaming and whatnot

[umbral totem]

yea fuck you're a doom chad wish i was like you

also why is everyone's crosshair a little white dot? mine's the only one that's the green hook icon

[slow sigil]

Options

[umbral totem]

no i know, but like why do people prefer the white dot over the full crosshiar

[slow sigil]

Simplicity ig

[river rock]

I like the full one

With like the icons and shit

[lilac iris]

what layout should I have on my loadout if I fast switch on ps4

[strange gale]

brink of death didn't kick in there because the pinky charge, which is what he got hit by, is coded to ignore said mechanic

it just goes right through, no damage reduction or anything

also, brink of death is guaranteed to kick in if the last hit you took would've killed you (as long as you had 21 health or above and the mechanic itself wasn't on cooldown)

instead of death, the damage of that singular hit is reduced enough for it to leave you alive and you gain iframes for the next 300 milliseconds (500 milliseconds on HMP and ITYTD)

having armor also isn't a requirement for brink of death being triggered, your total stack (health + armor, armor is irrelevant if it's 0) just has to drop below 52, because at 51 combined stack you get the low health warning

he wouldn't have died there if the damage he got hit by had been almost anything other than a pinky charge

[storm field]

Finally completed world spear master level on UN

[lyric lodge]

Is it possible to increase the sensitivity on console

[azure oriole]

Congrats

[azure oriole]

Not really

Like there is a slider but it barely changes anything

[lyric lodge]

Yeah and even at max its slow asf

I got too used to fortnite 😭🙏

[azure oriole]

Ikr 😭

Fortnite genuinely has like the best settings ever for a game

It's literally the only game I've ever played that actually has a GOOD color blind mode

[lyric lodge]

Its hard to not panic, but for me personally ive been tryna fix panicking but just in another game. Sometimes you have to widen your variety and master specific parts of your mind elsewhere i suppose

[lyric lodge]

Nah cuz 3% in sensitivity genuinely still makes a different and it has incredible range

[azure oriole]

I really love the customization you get in that game. I NEED high sense to be able to play a game and fortnite actually lets me have it, and customize it to specifically fit what I'm going for as well

[storm field]

120 fps mode in settings

[lyric lodge]

My tv is old enough to not support 120hz 😔

Damn one day break got me feeling rusty already 😭

Its still fun as shit tho

[upbeat widget]

Dawg I still need help 💀

I'm even getting ghosted by the Bethesda team

[lilac iris]

Anyone??

[nocturne lynx]

Is it? Must be very picky with that then: have it set to 27 vertically and horizontally.

[rapid cliff]

does anyone know if DOOM merch is worth collecting? I just bought an Arachnotron from Rubber Road

[lyric lodge]

Isnt that slower

[shadow nova]

What do you mean "worth" collecting?

[lyric lodge]

If you like it you like it man idk

[nocturne lynx]

Does it really matter if I can play UN with it?

[lyric lodge]

i aint you

[nocturne lynx]

Well it should be slower than the default of 50.

Prefer the slower speed to line up precise shots better; it’s not like Ballista boosts are a pita with that sensitivity.

[slow sigil]

It is worth it if you like it and think the price isn't too much

[rapid cliff]

if it will likely go up in value

[shadow nova]

lmao thats not something you should be thinking about when buying merchandise

[full ether]

I say the doon Merch is worth it I mean if your a collector for merchandise

[tacit aspen]

I must be one of the very few people who actually uses the merch

[lyric lodge]

Bro uses the caco plush

[tacit aspen]

I don't have plushies

[rapid cliff]

i mean the Arachnotron is my favorite demon but i’m a little old to be excited over toys

[tacit aspen]

Mousepad, keychain, purse, mug

[rapid cliff]

looking to see if i can make profit from these things as my buddy just sold a dragon ball z figurine and made $3000 on top of what he paid

[tacit aspen]

Pants, shirts, jacket

I'm not buying stuff only for display. The figures yes but not things which are made to be used

[rapid cliff]

i actually like clothing merch but they tend to be expensive and i beat the shit out of my clothing as i’m always working on something

anyone know where i can find official DOOM merch if they still even manufacture any

[tacit aspen]

I get mine from the Bethesda store
international.gear.bethesda dot net

[cyan frigate]

its collecting things from something you like, its a way of expressing love and support towards it nothing wrong with it 👍 never too old to have cool doom figures, statues, replicas. etc.

oh youre trying to make a profit on them. nvm 😔

[full ether]

True facts

[lilac iris]

but guys

is there a layout for weapons I should use for quick switching in DE on PS4?

[full ether]

Not sure

I play on PC so yeah

Unless if you know what combos to use on different demons

I mean it's based off of muscle memory because if your playing on a mode harder then the average player plays doom then you got a problem

[lyric lodge]

Default is perfect tbh

Its in a perfect position for quickswapping and easy r2 r1 tap at the same time

[lilac iris]

ok

[full ether]

I am right am I not I mean if you look at any doom speed run you have 10 different facts and tricks being thrown at you just saying

[empty basin]

#doom-eternal message
Here's a small tip I saw 2 days ago, I don't actually play on Controller though

[lilac iris]

i dont really get the R2 switch tho, is it just your previous weapon or what

[lilac iris]

thanks man, appreciated👍🏽

[lyric lodge]

R1 is your previous weapon. Its one of the most efficient methods for quickswapping imo

And if you wanna have like a third weapon its easy to put your keybind to top dpad if you use the claw grip

[lyric lodge]

Oh def listen to that. Hes like my fav professional speedrunner on console

[lilac iris]

I meant r1

[lyric lodge]

Yuh r1

I usually have jump for O, but some may feel L1 would be better

Bc only now do i realise moving my index to O would prevent me from jumping whilst quickswapping, but its too late to go back now ts is perfect

[next steppe]

After meare 148 attempts....I've finally finished Holt's slayer gate

[umbral totem]

@young mango hi how did u kill that marauder in 1 cycle??? Ur a god can u teach me that trick plz

[glossy warren]

omg tammer u have a fan 🥰

[rose thistle]

btw @young mango I've checked with the tech nerds and have a correction on your Brink of Death thing
it is for when you're above the threshold. As long as you're above 20 health an attack that would have killed you will leave you at 5 health instead, and it has a cooldown depending on difficulty (seems to be absent on Nightmare, meaning you can use it as many times as you like)
The reason Clamshell died there is because the Pinky's charge attack is one of the attacks that bypasses this system

brinkOfDeathExemptionList = {
    num = 4;
    item[0] = "damage/ai/mancubus/flame";
    item[1] = "damage/ai/mancubus_goo/mortar_splash_overtime";
    item[2] = "damage/ai/pinky/charge";
    item[3] = "damage/ai/zombie/flame";
}```

[empty basin]

Unfortunately glask already beat you to it #doom-eternal message

[rose thistle]

FUCK

[rose thistle]

hold on doesn't this suggest BoD only works of you're between 20 and 51 health?
so is it true an attack might kill you at like 60 HP but leave you alive with 5 if you're at 45 or so? or am I misreading?

ok i asked the tech nerds and gotten it sorted

[austere bronze]

This seems techy, I won't even bother trying to learn it lol

[strange gale]

there's two important takeaways here

1. always try to have at least 21 health, that's the bare minimum for one shot protection to start cooling down
2. never try to facetank a pinky charge, it ignores one shot protection and can do 100+ damage if said pinky has been charging for long enough

it's hard to test the maximum possible damage in that situation but i just got a pinky charge to deal 120 damage

ok it does feel like the hard cap there is 120

[young mango]

maybe this is just modded master levels being wonky but I’ve had possessed pinkies damn near one shot me when I had pretty much a full stack

possessed enemies obviously don’t deal more damage normally, I’m thinking it might be like a pre 6.0 dread knight situation where it deals multiple instances of damage at once

[strange gale]

if the charge's damage scaling is based on some kind of internal timer instead of distance traveled, possession could be speeding up that timer

more ticks = more damage

[young mango]

Does this also imply the pinkies damage is framerate dependent or am I stupid

[strange gale]

i don't know

wouldn't be surprised though

there's probably modded fuckery happening there

[young mango]

framerate dependent physics in doom eternal are silly https://youtu.be/kZuVRJIUPiA?si=lUcT98APl3WzgoCt

[strange gale]

vanilla possessed pinky charges still cap at 120

[young mango]

odd

[young mango]

I remember this fuckery happening in a UAC atlantica master level, don’t know which though, definitely wasn’t the delta one however, I do not appreciate CBT levels all too much

[rose thistle]

I also heard this, if an attack is on just some ridiculous multiplier it's able to bypass the BoD protection somehow

lke it it's doing 5x damage or some shit, never would occur in vanilla

but modded master levels? I could see it

[rose thistle]

wh

[young mango]

I don’t care if people want to do some bullshittery in their level but I’d appreciate if they got a bit more creative with it than “yea man we locked you in with a possessed marauder in a claustrophobic area for the one billionth time” like my favorite instance of getting fucked over in doom eternal is the world spear master level, the section that’s right after beating the major arena in the snowy section, there’s a cursed prowler but also screechers and liek a baron and stuff, so if you get hit it’s just game over, yea it sucks but at least they got creative with it

[rose thistle]

omg that sounds so evil lol

[young mango]

not even, any damage multiplier with commands nullifies BoD entirely, like even if you did sumshit like “1.0001x” you’d still bypass it

[strange gale]

oh wow

[rose thistle]

damn really?

[strange gale]

was not aware

[young mango]

bring up weapon wheel to buffer an arbalest double shot, pain elemental dodges, but since my weapon wheel was up, my framerate was an effective 1786 to the games physics, enemies are frame dependant, although I do find this instance odd and at least to my knowledge it implies it doesn’t just change the speed of the AI, but their rudimentary thought process as well, so normally he wouldn’t have enough speed to make such a lunge, but I guess during the weapon wheel buffer the thought process becomes “wait I have enough speed to cross this gap, I should lunge forward”

[austere bronze]

Tbf Deltas UAC ML also locks you in a hallway at one point with alot of different posdessed enemys and at the end 2 possessed marauders

[young mango]

as early as 2021 bros thought process was “let me make an hour long slayer gate with no checkpoints” I’m so glad he’s retired from that shit AFAIK. he’d be a menace in 2024

[empty basin]

His World Spear ML does have a 30-min long Escalation Encounter which has checkpoints, so I don't think his design principle would stay the same

But yes idk who would come up with something like a Slayer Gate and go "hm let's make it 1-hour long and no checkpoints"

[young mango]

now that I think about it, who’s the intended player base for these modded levels anyhow? the majority of the doom community doesn’t even know how to pb rocket, and even the people I’ve seen play these levels, they lack technical knowledge and don’t even know how double shot works

[empty basin]

It's for players who have conquered the base game and are looking for more content

[young mango]

am I underestimating the doom community or am I tweaking

[empty basin]

Like yeah it wouldn't really reach the general playerbase, but there's the 1-5% who does demand higher difficulties

or just more content in general

And I guess I kind of fall into that category, but I still recognize a badly-designed encounter when I see one

[young mango]

I had an awesome dream last night for a doom eternal mod level but unfortunately I’m too dumb to make it work

[empty basin]

Like there's a difference between "Whoa that was really hard" and "??? what was he cooking"

[austere bronze]

When ypu say "lack technical knowledge" it feels like you're talking to me directly lol, I am pretty good but don't know anything about the technical side of doom eternal

[empty basin]

I mentioned this before but CBT Atlantica Unbalanced was a really hard but also really well-designed level apart from one encounter

I did talk with idk929 about it and he gave me pointers on how the encounter is supposed to go, I still disagree with that encounter's design philosophy but maybe when I replay the map sometime in the future I'll have an easier time with it

[austere bronze]

I really like the start in the CBT levels, flying around outside with a lot of demons is just really fun

[rose thistle]

I think the intended audience is the general playerbase but not in the intention for them to play it, but to be shocked

there's a side audience that's the super dedicated megaplayers who will put themselves through the torture of actually beating it

[empty basin]

My Immora ML video recently got 4k views and people really seem to vibe with it ✌️
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STV_q1m8sQ0

[young mango]

basically the there would be a spirit that you couldn’t microwave beam that was actively attempting to go into pre 1.1 hellified barriers ( the barriers the archvile room uses ) and would be a huge threat later in the level and there was an Easter egg where you could just punchboost your way into the room or smthn and press a switch that despawned the walls, man I’ve been speedrunning for too long

it was a dream it’s not supposed to make too much sense

[empty basin]

Yeah you'd have to go through the hell that is modding .entities file for that lol

and also creating custom AIs and I think logicentities as well?

[rose thistle]

barriers?

[austere bronze]

Really gotta try immora ml someday but first I need a save file that I can level select immora from

[empty basin]

I made an add-on mod that enables you to start the level from a new save

[young mango]

I would really love for a master level that tests technical knowledge beyond just “oh yea this player knows how to punchswap or smthn, they’re good”

[empty basin]

you can find it in the mod page's comments section

I made a whole bunch of New Save Add-On mods for a lot of other ML mods too

If you can find me in a ML mod page comments section, I probably made an add-on for it

[empty basin]

That'd probably result in something that is too static and just confuses people unless you outright state it in text or something

[young mango]

I’ve seen some dumb shit modded in, I’m confident people could make at least a rudimentary “fire two dblades within 0.5 seconds” or “deal 10000 damage with the chaingun shield under 1 second”, I don’t know how that’d work, but it’d be a lot nicer to see these type of challenges implemented instead of whatever offwines doing, dude put math questions in the middle of SGN that kills you if you get them wrong

[rose thistle]

LOL

[empty basin]

Lol the recent Hell on Earth ML by MaksimQuan also has something similar as well

[young mango]

it’s not even easy math, it’s algebra and shit, I quit the level after that

[empty basin]

There's like 4 questions before the Citadel mega encounter and one of them is also algebra question

albeit it's simpler than what I remember with Offwine's SGN

[young mango]

this loops back to the “who is this for” question, because it’s not even like it’s easy to google this stuff because they lock you in with a respawning zombie that demands your attention

[empty basin]

And if you get them wrong it'd give you a 50 DoT until you die

[young mango]

like genuinely who played that section and thought “wow that was the best part of the level, i had a lot of fun”

[empty basin]

I mean it's pretty obvious that they're just including it for the memes

And also functions as a nice breathing room for laughs after a lot of ultra chaotic encounters

[young mango]

the “memes” in question making it so highly skilled players have to break the entire flow of their game and whip out a calculator for like 2 minutes straight

[empty basin]

It's not like the question changes between attempts or anything, after the first time you just gotta remember which buttons to press and that's about it

idk I personally find them funny

[young mango]

how much you wanna bet that these modders are the same people who’ve complained about cursed prowlers before, all that is is memorization, still annoying tho

[empty basin]

And you gotta remember how long these MLs are as well, offwine's SGN can take up to around 2 hours to beat for the first time

[rose thistle]

https://youtu.be/Wibaem3UrFk?si=somYOMOqpLNthOwj&t=1146
reminds me of this (timestamped)

[empty basin]

and MaksimQuan's Hell on Earth also takes around the same time

Spending 2 hours in non-stop high adrenaline is exhausting

So you gotta find something to break it up

[young mango]

I’m sure there’s better ways to break it up than annoying the player

[empty basin]

idk I think you're looking too deep into this

I can't imagine the average hardcore players being annoyed on a sequence of questions that only needs to be thought about once before turning it into a simple button press sequence, over some stupid encounters like offwine's Skill Issue Gore Nests that has literally every enemy being Possessed

[rose thistle]

you can cheat with math

[empty basin]

or MicrowavedBunny's Tormented Earth which has perma-Buff Totem Dreadknights, Mancubi, Cyber-Mancubi, Blood Maykrs, and 2 Archviles

[young mango]

you either get the questions right by thinking about them, or it just becomes a memory game on each sequential playthrough, it just breaks the flow of the entire level, don’t even feel like playing it after that

[rose thistle]

that's just playing with fast monsters enabled ;)

[empty basin]

Well Buff Totem increases their damage dealt too

[rose thistle]

it does?

last I heard it didn't

[empty basin]

Yeah, so the encounter basically becomes an insta-kill fest

The buff that doesn't increase damage are Spirit Possession

[rose thistle]

what
did I have it backwards lmao

[young mango]

I don’t agree with that either, I don’t like CBT levels, I’d prefer if the encounters in modded levels were actually thought out into something good other than just “hey if I spam a bunch of possessed enemies is the level fun now”

[empty basin]

The Unbalanced Version replaced 2 out of 3 Buff Totem encounters of the map with Spirit Totems, which ironically made them easier in some parts???

[rose thistle]

is spirit totems some custom thing

[empty basin]

yes

[rose thistle]

i sure wonder what they do
couldn't imagine it myself

[empty basin]

I mean I do too, it's just that I don't think these memery trivia sections are as bad as you think they are

[young mango]

if I have to whip out a calculator for 2 minutes to avoid dying on a master level, repeat playthroughs aren’t happening

basically blind playthroughs are impossible

[stoic gazelle]

What to do after I beat the campaign?
Play doom 1?

[austere bronze]

Oh alright, thanks

[austere bronze]

Higher difficulties, master levels, ultra nightmare, DLCs and modded content

[umbral totem]

Yea I’m his student now and forever

@young mango how do u one cycle a marauder it would help me so many in the arachnotron room

[austere bronze]

Once he comes out of his stagger just ballista near his feet and he will stagger again

[lilac iris]

Easy ah part

[umbral totem]

His timing window is so small I can never do it

[lilac iris]

Not really

[umbral totem]

Chad Tammie does the grenade rocket trick

[lilac iris]

I did it before without even knowing it was the feet that made him stagger instantly

[austere bronze]

Not entirely sure but I think if you want to do that you have to stagger him with PB, throw a grenade, shoot a rocket and then use SLOB to double LOB him

But it is way easier to ballista although the rocket one is faster

[austere bronze]

It's pretty big, you just have to make sure that when he un-staggers you have the ballista ready to shoot near his feet

[empty basin]

Shoot the Ballista at his sides, or just whichever side of his feet he doesn't have the shield faced towards

I can do the Marauder SLOB 1-cycle tech but I usually just go for the feet tech most of the time

[umbral totem]

i don't even know hwo to slob can't find good video tutorial plz help

[storm field]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE500lrbY3I&ab_channel=SirGoP

[stoic gazelle]

Alright thanks

Planning on finally completing classic doom too

[rose pine]

dayum

[tame topaz]

man they really chose the imps to make a stone variant of instead of the gargoyles

you know, the one monster in pop culture known for being made of STONE

[ashen violet]

Ouch

[lyric lodge]

Just find sylar

[winged depot]

Excuse me, guys. How is that some people find UN "easy"?

I'm really trying to beat but i can't. Not becuase im bad at the game, i know all the mechanics and do my own strategies.

It's because i get very anxious and nervous since i only got one chance. Like, on Nightmare i play just fine and it,s even relaxing for me. But on UN i feel like my brain is messing with me.

The farest i reached on Ultra-Nightmare is Sentinel Prime.

[fallen heart]

you got more than only one chance....keep failing at it until you make it!

[rose thistle]

Oh my god yeah

[honest wave]

I’m notifications are dead asf 😭

[azure oriole]

tried getting Zombie Slayer 2 hours of searching and hell later i learned my lesson to not get my hopes up 💀

[empty basin]

If you are on PC you can use this mod to unlock it
https://www.nexusmods.com/doometernal/mods/1118

[azure oriole]

yeah that pisses me off even more ive been meaning to get a pc for ages now cause it has every game i could ever want but yk i spend before i can save

guess i gotta wait a lil longer

should’ve joined slayer club wayyy back when i was still figuring out doom maybe then i would’ve had it before i gave up on doom for a while 😭

[rose thistle]

I don't think I was even into Doom when I joined lol
My friend just got me to because it earned him bonus points or something

Dude why the FUCK did they kill Slayers Club
What the hell

[slow sigil]

Probably was too much of a moneysink with almost noone using it

[lyric lodge]

Sentinel Prime is great for UN, i get the whole panicking part tbh. I would say to W-key but this is a single player, so one way to W-key imo(i havent tried it myself) is to just go into UN with no objective to beat it. Just play it for playing it and memorise the layouts on the way subconsciously. To really relieve stress, just don't care.

Aside from stress itself, you'll also wanna be prepared for the arenas and boss fights. Since you died at the gladiator boss fight, i highly recommend you to practice it over and over until you beat it easy, or just practice it tons in normal nightmare right before you fight him in UN

[subtle turtle]

why does doom eternal need to access my mic

it keeps messing up all my audio because my bluetooth headphones cannot fathom having a mic

what are they even using my mic for

SPEAKING OF, I DONT HAVE A MIC

of course the fucking SECOND i close eternal all my audio is fixed again

i open it and it works fine

THEN IT BREAKS

[shell tulip]

Hey guys, is there any way to log out of the bethesda account in game and then log in with a new one?

[unreal flare]

For ingame voice chat in multiplayer

[austere bronze]

Same, especially meathook

[sturdy marsh]

Hi

[austere bronze]

The normal shots are also really powerful, especially pared withPB quick swapping

[lyric lodge]

Pb ssg is one of my fav combos oat no debate

Perfect for arachnotrons, revenants and even hell knights if im feeling it

It is technically great for the doom hunter boss fights too

[austere bronze]

I always go in for 1 blood punch against doom hunters, 1 grenade and pb ssg

[subtle turtle]

who in their right mind is playing multiplayer

[lyric lodge]

For the boss im tryna bp ssg freeze grenade pb ssg but its hard for me to switch grenades mid fight on console tbh

Legit died multiple times failing it

Im still on it rn for a 2nd nightmare run cuz i kinda needed some improvement

[unreal flare]

Would you be able to explain that in further detail? I fought the Doom Hunters in the first level they appear in but I feel like I might've wasted too much rocket ammo in the process. I wanna take them down more efficiently.

[unreal flare]

Don't ask me, I'm just telling you why Wood Eternal needs mic access

[strange skiff]

Hi i am new in doom eternal

Im on switch, does someone wants to do battlemode

[austere bronze]

In the first level they appear they come as bosses with more HP than normal doom hunters

The first one has the most HP the second ones second most and the the normal ones has the least

[unreal flare]

Ah okay

How much is their HP when they're common enemies?

[austere bronze]

Don't know the exact values but it's way less

2 blood punches easily destroy the normal ones shield and then lob kills them (or puts them in a glory kill state I forgor)

[untold tundra]

Yooo is there any serious boss fight in the game???

All the boss fights r pretty easy

And are there any game similar to doom eternal

[austere bronze]

Maybe the boss in tag1 but I don't remember that fight so well so I don't know for certain

[rose thistle]

Ultrakill probably

[azure oriole]

The gladiator yeah, the icon of sin is serious enough imo, other than that though no.

[rose thistle]

I played the Ultrakill demo and the only reason I haven't gotten the full game is I'm pretty sure I would explode from the awesomeness overload

[rose thistle]

Samur is neat

[empty basin]

Yeah Boss Fights aren't exactly Eternal's strongest suit

Especially since in a lot of them you mostly spend your time not fighting the boss, which is just ridiculous when you think about it

Ultrakill is infinitely better in that department

[rose thistle]

tbh I feel like all the bosses are pretty good your first time around
like Khan Maykr may be a joke once you know what you're doing but like, if you don't realize LOB is just insta win and aren't super good at balista PB quick swap she's like... kinda a thing?
I remember struggling some with Doom Hunter my first time too, it was like, yeah that's a boss

[untold tundra]

Thx👍🏿

[untold tundra]

Umm isn't ultra kill too old

[rose thistle]

what?
the game isn't even done yet

[untold tundra]

Huh

It looks old af

[rose thistle]

lol, don't judge a book by its cover

I mentioned it has a demo, give it a try
chances are you'll get hooked

[untold tundra]

Umm bro the graphics r ass😅

[untold tundra]

Alright

[empty basin]

It's an indie game with stylized PS1-esque low poly graphics

[rose thistle]

New Blood (the company behind UK) makes fantastic FPS games, definitely worth following if you're into Doom

[austere bronze]

Does that stop a game from being good? Look at minecraft and terreria for example

[untold tundra]

Doom matched my fps play style alot I hope it had Parkour and thing it would be soo cool

[untold tundra]

True mabye it might be good

[rose thistle]

Dusk is also a really good one by New Blood, but it playes more like a faster-paced version of classic Doom or Quake than Eternal
still a fantastic game

[untold tundra]

Why are y'all soo much into low graphics game? ?

[slow sigil]

ehhh with eternal, having your bosses take place in an arena is definitely justified for gameplay reasons

[rose thistle]

heh, it's more low poly is a common style for this genre, they like to harken back to the early games in the Quake era

[slow sigil]

gameplay>graphics
and their "dated" graphics have an intentional charm
but duskHD is out anyways

[rose thistle]

though if you're into more modern graphics Dusk has a full HD mode they added more lately

[glossy warren]

its nicer to play for me

[slow sigil]

also it's old graphics, not bad graphics so it still looks great

[glossy warren]

thats why minecraft abnd dusk and uk and lethal company are my most played ga,me

[rose thistle]

https://youtu.be/MiZ3ttvq-QI

[glossy warren]

and dredge too

[untold tundra]

Like have y'all tried tlou or ghost of tusima

[glossy warren]

I play tlou

[untold tundra]

Great game

[glossy warren]

its more a interactive cinematic than a game really

kinda just run around and kill zombies

it tries to tell a story rather than make you play a game

[random vault]

dusk 1d >>>

[slow sigil]

also, for kinda doom-esqua games for flavor metal hellsinger is pretty great

[empty basin]

I mean yes but the idea of "Ok here's a boss, now spend the most of your time not fighting the boss" just sounds ridiculous.
It's definitely a byproduct of Eternal's gameplay design, but I find it baffling that it took them until the worst boss in the game, The Dark Lord, to realize that maybe making bosses drop resources like ammo throughout the fight is also a viable option.

Also it's not like this is a new idea either, that's literally how 2016 does it.

[untold tundra]

Well it your choice but for me it has good gameplay, story and graphics which just make the game amazing for me

[rose thistle]

calling the dark lord the worst boss is a pretty bold claim when the Khan Maykr exists

[slow sigil]

tlou is a great story, but a meh game from what i've seen

[slow sigil]

khan is atleast over rather quickly, davoth drags you on and on and onnn

[rose thistle]

true true

[empty basin]

Yeah TDL is easily the worst because of design flaws

You know how people complain about Marauders stopping the game and forces you to do a waiting game? That's not entirely true on Marauders but it's definitely true for TDL

[untold tundra]

For me one of my top 5

[slow sigil]

khan just has a pitifully small healthpool, her actual actions are like, fine ig
davoth is just badly designed everywhere, straight up mostly because you sit around doing nothing, not even shooting, most the time

[rose thistle]

why does he have a non-counterable melee attack 😭

and like him healing if he hits you is really cool from like, a conceptual perspective
but holy shit does it sting to have to wait another year if you slip up

[empty basin]

That's not even the main issue, it's that his attack sequences are so inconsistent and if you even TRY to shoot at him before he does his green flash, bwap bwap bwap he now recovers 100% of his health

You literally can't do anything

Straight up don't even play the game at that point

[rose thistle]

and why does he have so many phases?? and why are they all the same???
like not only is it just really boring but it's also like "hey do this 6 times"

[slow sigil]

theres also other ridiculous restrictions put in place just to fuck over.... people that know a lot of the game?

like, the game straight up just blocks further damage if you damage him a lot. So you can't 1 cycle him (or atleast, very not easily)

which only the most ackowledged players would know how to get, but nahhh noone should be able to be good at davoth

[rose thistle]

Davoth's power is less on a universal level and more a meta one
how did he create the universe? he got the devs at id to do it

[empty basin]

I already mentioned this to you before but it's because of covid

[rose thistle]

I mean yeah yeah I get that, he was gonna have more varied stuff and it would actually be cool

but like
if you had to cut all of that
it doesn't mean you have to make the one phase last 3 times as long :weak:

[slow sigil]

less dev time could have meant less phases but no they CHOOSE to drag it out over 6 phases

[empty basin]

Yeah it's weird that they didn't trim down the unfinished stuffs

[austere bronze]

Maybe cuz they felt like the final boss shouldn't be just 3 quick phases or something

[rose thistle]

well i felt like the final boss shouldn't be boring as shit but here we are

[slow sigil]

they couldve made like, 1 super super heavy demon and just put you in 3 different arenas with him

[rose thistle]

it's funny how the game just outright blocks you from damaging him outside of stun
like with marauders at least you can chip away with them or do cool stuff by hitting around their shield and stuff
but Davoth literally heals if you try that

and then he's also resistant to the superweapons? like
you could at least let me use my argent cells to skip a phase or two
but instead they're like no you're gonna play the game properly and maximize your DPS the hard way
oh, but not too much, there's a cap :p

[slow sigil]

oh nono you literally used to be able to 0 cycle him
but they removed it 🙂

[rose thistle]

hm?
0-cycle?

[glossy warren]

/kill

[random vault]

you dont have permission for that command! try /help for a list of commands

[glossy warren]

https://tenor.com/view/bladerunner2049-ryan-gosling-gif-24048514

[rose thistle]

/help

[slow sigil]

killing without him opening up

like shooting a marauder with explosives at their feet

[rose thistle]

wh

wow ok
wth id 😭

[young mango]

wdym they didn’t remove that

you can still most definitely 0-cycle marauders

https://youtu.be/-cVRqBjFgRc?si=Yyhdq407e6p6yEbP

my DESRU in the corner says “6.66.2.2” confirming this is on current patch

[full ether]

Bethesda is Bethesda

Always lieing

[rose thistle]

they said davoth

[young mango]

that wasn’t patched out either

[rose thistle]

he literally heals if you hit him while not stunned no?

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/9bny6MPYpBE?si=JwORR7g9MUzayf1p

[young mango]

that’s been a thing since 5.0, one cycles on TDL are most definitely possible but 0 cycles have most definitely always been impossible

[young mango]

Said this forgetting the topic was on 0 cycles and not one cycles

[rose thistle]

Doom Eternal

[young mango]

just because you used to be able to bait TDL in earlier patches doesn’t mean 0 cycles were possible, because you opened differently, combo interruption wouldn’t work the same

although,, maybe it’d work, but it’d be super impractical, im talking like so impractical that it’s basically the same as the one cycle but with a different opener

assuming the first hit always has stunted damage, that means your opener would be dealing 1800 damage instead of the ( I think ) 2900 damage

effectively halving your damage output in the beginning, but it’s okay because there are ways to deal slightly more damage during one cycles, but usually it breaks him out of it because the massive damage prevents combo interruption from taking place

[young mango]

although if the rockets actually stun him, you could follow with an SSG and being the opening attack to 3400 damage, making the idea of a zero cycle much more plausible

I’m literally cooked, UN deleted all my save files so I have to go to davoth from a fresh save

[rose thistle]

just launch with the warp parameter

[random vault]

the what

[rose thistle]

classic doom reference

[random vault]

https://tenor.com/view/what-he-say-ice-cube-gif-26582702

[rose thistle]

oh dude you get a quake ranger skin if you play quake and connect it to your account
that's pretty sick

[tranquil birch]

damn what he say 😂

[silent grotto]

Hello, are there any news about doom sequel?

[empty basin]

nope

[rose thistle]

Doom II released in 1994

[thin python]

Hi, I just downloaded doom eternal but I have strange glitches on my screen, is there a channel to talk about it ?

[rose thistle]

here is good, you can also try #community-support

@jaunty vapor hey I think there's an error in the enemy stats doc
is says the maykr drones take less from the CSG but according to the files they should take more
the same amount more as the Doom Hunter, actually

[thin python]

Well, I have white squares that randomly appears on my screen even on the main screen

[rose thistle]

uhh have you tried like
idk checking your graphics drivers or something?

[thin python]

for the drivers I downloaded the last version before dling the game

[strange gale]

test this in game, that's always going to be more reliable than decls

[jaunty vapor]

Just loaded up and spawned in a Maykr Drone, shot it, then spawned a regular zombie, shot it. These were the damage values

#screenshots message

Current patch, yada yada.

Damage to its face is 38.4, so it's possible whatever you're looking at in the files is referring to the """headshot""" damage

I use "headshot" in quotes because the game's weird with how it does weakpoint damage, and shotgun doesn't normally actually do extra damage to weakpoints/headshots/etc. My guess is the maykr drone head is coded to just do "extra damage", kinda like Pinky faceplate vs. back.

[rose thistle]

ah, yeah, that must be it

numbers check out

[azure oriole]

i just beat the game

i also completed the Super Gore Nest Master level after 5 hours and 68 deaths

on ITYTD 💀

[rose thistle]

how much health do chaingunners have?

[azure oriole]

why is almost every ARC scientist a bald white man with glasses

[rose thistle]

the intern is actually the god above davoth, he created all the others in his image

[young mango]

hold on that’s insane, let’s say you start with a full stack upon every death, that’s 23,800 damage you took. for reference a cacodemon bite does 36 damage on ITYTD, meaning you took the equivalent of 662 cacodemon bites

[rose thistle]

hungry meatballs

[azure oriole]

idk what kind of sadist decided to make a level with 4 buffed Tyrants and 2 Archviles

[young mango]

3 archviles, and they don’t spawn until 3 tyrants are dead, and you can just destroy the buff totem

[tall root]

same i actually nicknamed it the cyberdemon master level

[strange gale]

the first level that actually forces you to deal with buffed enemies is taras ml, right?

everything released before it just lets you rush all totems immediately

[glossy warren]

yea

[azure oriole]

oh i almost forget. THERE WAS FOG. WHY WOULD THEY ADD FOG IN A ROOM

and im pretty sure there were inivisivble whiplashes

[azure oriole]

a couple levels i remember had the buff totem locked in an area that would only open after youd killed a few enemies

[strange gale]

i'm thinking about the game's content in terms of release order

that wasn't done before taras nabad's master level

[azure oriole]

i only played that level once and I died immediately

granted, i was on UN

[young mango]

I guess blood swamps is the first instance, but it’s a single enemy so idk

[strange gale]

oh true

yeah that marauder doesn't get to do anything anyway so it's easy to forget

[young mango]

it’s a shame how the first and one of the only times they implement such a mechanic they handle it like that, like for a good players it’s literally a few clicks and he’s dead, and at worst he’s like a miniboss for more casual players

the buff totem completely fucks up his AI though, he does this thing where he greenlights but immediately decides to cancel it

[strange gale]

by definition you're forced to deal with a buffed enemy there but it doesn't really make a difference

taras coin room would be a joke if the totem didn't exist

[young mango]

unfortunately still is a joke because of dome cheese💔

[strange gale]

true

i wonder why they put it there

my first thought is that they immediately realized how terrible the geometry in that room is for combat so they just slapped it in

[young mango]

I guess because normally you Can just grab it, although it gives you iframes and there’s a hellified barrier stopping you from leaving I guess they didn’t want the player to get absolutely bumrushed when the animation ends

[strange gale]

i guess the coin is also just baked into the base layer yeah

[young mango]

but knowing the mechanics they’ve added I’m most certain they could’ve just made a clause where it can’t be interacted with until the arena is over

maybe they did it because they thought it looked cool, idk

also ive never tested this, but what happens if you’re in the buff totem space when the hellified barriers go up, are you just cooked?

[strange gale]

i'd guess they put a death plane there

it'd cause a tiny bit of jank if you hit it from outside the space but it'd be better than getting stuck

i fucking hate the death plane fade in btw

[azure oriole]

how do you get the sentinel role

[strange gale]

the slayer is inactionable during it but you don't have iframes so there's literally no counterplay if you get hit by an attack as soon as you're teleported

ie death plane teleport into attack that ignores brink of death is checkmate unless you already have shield out

[young mango]

maybe this applies only to portal lock fade in, but I think you can cancel that by going to your dossier and then closing it

[strange gale]

having to constantly stay aware of stupid ass death plane placement while playing modded master levels is so mentally draining

the arena early on in vanilla holt where the spirit has a 50/50 chance of possessing either a hell knight or a cyber manc, right?

the death plane there is so high up for no reason

there's situations where meathook makes contact with an enemy and starts pulling you back up so you WOULD'VE recovered, but you also touch a death plane a couple frames later and get fucked

it's such a specific situation that i'm not surprised it's never complained about, but WOW it feels cheap to die to

[tacit aspen]

What's a death plane, and why is it bad when it's high up? @strange gale

[strange gale]

death plane is an inaccurate name cause they don't actually kill you in this game

but whenever you fall during platforming or combat, your screen darkens for a bit, you lose some health, and you're teleported back up

that sounds familiar, right?

[tacit aspen]

Yes.

[strange gale]

death planes are perfectly fine when they're positioned reasonably low

i'm fine with falling into one whenever i'm evidently not able to recover from that situation

but some of them are positioned so high that you'll hit them even if you land your meathook and visibly start getting pulled back up

that just seems cheap, doesn't it?

[tacit aspen]

It does, does that only happen in master levels? Right now I'm trying to think of a situation where you can land your meathook, and get pulled back up, and I can't think of one

Nekravol 2 in the beginning, maybe Urdak?

[strange gale]

there's an arena early on in the holt that has a noticeably high death plane

[tacit aspen]

Thank you. Looks like I will play through this today, and pay attention. Maybe I can notice

[strange gale]

taras nabad also has one, i'm struggling to think of a good description for the area though

the spot where you double air dash into a breakable wall, which then immediately leads you to an elevator on the left

[tacit aspen]

Ah, shortly before the pain elemental, prowler and pinkies, I think a spectre is there too

[strange gale]

yeah that's it

[tacit aspen]

Been there yesterday, so my memory is still fresh

And there's a suit upgrade coin

So the death plane is just where you double dash?

[strange gale]

there's a fight before you do that, in both versions of the level

that's where the death plane is an issue

[tacit aspen]

I think I understand now

Thanks :)

[tall root]

what's a good weapon loadout i can use

[lyric lodge]

Wdym? Theres only one?

You mean weapon wheel?

[tall root]

yeah like good weapons to use for a master level

[slow sigil]

All of em with less emphasis on plasma rifle, combat shotgun and chaingun as a weapon

[tall root]

thanks

[slow sigil]

Did you activate it?

[azure oriole]

мужики, кто в думец пойдет?

[lyric lodge]

YO

I JUST BEAT THE ARC COMPLEX SLAYER GATE FIRST TRY EVER DOING IT

ion even know what i did 😭😭🙏🙏

[tall root]

nice

[unreal flare]

honestly so far I've first tried every slayer gate I encountered

Last level I played was Super Gore Nest

then again it probably helps that I'm on Ultra-Violence

The word "Nightmare" makes me, a Classic Doom player, chicken out irrationally

[lyric lodge]

Nightmare is very much a nightmare for sure. Fodder can easily deal 20-50 dmg, making gargoyles and plasma soldiers 10x more annoying

Ive honestly just never bothered with a slayer gate but did cuz i accidentally found the key while exploring so i just said why not

[unreal flare]

I always try to go for full completion in any level I'm in so I haven't missed any so far

[lyric lodge]

I can bet 100% the reason i didnt die to 2 tyrants, 1 baron of hell and multiple mancubi is because there were no whiplashes

[unreal flare]

and if I do miss some collectibles I just come back to the levels later

[lyric lodge]

Pinkies and whiplashes put into large arenas paired with other demons and fodder boils my blood

[unreal flare]

I'm on that UV MAX grindset

[unreal flare]

I hate Pinkies with a burning passion. Always struggled against them lmao

[lyric lodge]

A 100% save slot is always perfect for experiencing master levels to their fullest

[lyric lodge]

Ive heard of tricks to kill them with rockets or ssg ballista and its worked but their sheer armour and dmg is insane. You could also meathook behind them but im still figuring out the meathook tactics and getting used to them

[cunning agate]

Yo does anyone have any tips on what i should do in my fortress

[lyric lodge]

Like, sentinel battery upgrades? I'd say suit points are important asf along with weapon mods

[cunning agate]

K

[storm field]

Find slayer's room play Doom(1993)

[lyric lodge]

And then play doom 2

[shrewd karma]

guys i have a question about two milestones in doom (Escaped the Madness-Complete the campaign on Ultra-Nightmare and Running Up the High Score-Complete Extra Life Mode with 10 extra lives in your inventory) Do i need to complete the game in 2 different saves or can i do it in one extra life mode with ultra nightmare difficulty?

if someones know the answer pls help

[lyric lodge]

But extra life more has no ultra nightmare difficulty?

Theyre entirely different.

[shrewd karma]

i dont know maybe

so i need to complete the game two times right? with this milestones

[lyric lodge]

Yes

[shrewd karma]

jeez

[lyric lodge]

Have fun with UN

[nocturne lynx]

ELM has no UN option owing to that being redundant.

ELM on Nightmare without dying is basically UN.

[shrewd karma]

i see thanks

guys can i send picture to you about one secret milestone?

i dont know what is this bcs of ???

maybe someone of you will know

[nocturne lynx]

Have you by any chance killed precisely one Imp (and no one else) with a BFG shot? It’s probably that one.

[shrewd karma]

hmm idk reward is doom guys with like icon i think

*guy

[nocturne lynx]

Hmm. Doesn’t ring any bells.

[shrewd karma]

bcs with bfg i did that

probably is this ez mode? milestone but idk

[nocturne lynx]

Is he making a thumbs up?

[shrewd karma]

doom guy with like emote or icon

[nocturne lynx]

It shouldn’t be listed period until you actually fulfil it.

[shrewd karma]

idk i cant send picture here

[nocturne lynx]

Is is the Extra Life icon?

If it’s not that my best guess would be it’s the one for punching a Slayer Gate.

[shrewd karma]

what is slayer gate?

[nocturne lynx]

The optional encounters locked by a purple key.

[austere bronze]

I've had plasma soldiers deal around 100 damsge to me in 1 shot

[lyric lodge]

Oh yes plasma soldiers get rid of all your armour and health

You know what that amounts to? A failed UN run because of a fodder! Woohoo!

But honestly(it might seem biased but) i feel like fodders can be seen as a learning curve. Knowing theres so many of them and they deal so much dmg despire being weak, youre prompted to either kill them fast with large spread weapons or just avoid them by being in the air and traversing around the arena

[strange gale]

shield soldiers have terrible movement and no range so i'd say their damage output is fair

[young mango]

I once played a master level that spawned an enemy behind you to surprise you, wasn’t too effective, i imagine a shield soldier could’ve had potential to be a bigger kick in the ass

[young mango]

no joke I can beat the entirety of TAG2 without using the plasma rifle even once, it’s so useless

unfortunately I don’t run hundo, I barely touch TAG1 and Yeetblast is too good in early campaign to not use

[nocturne lynx]

PR has some functionality. It’s very little (one stagger per fight or stunlocking a demon) but it’s something.

[slow sigil]

stunlocking isn't as useful as straight up removing the demon in the fight faster

[nocturne lynx]

Never said it was the best option. Just implied that it was one that isn’t outright stupid.

[young mango]

the stunlock gets immediately broken out of at close range, meaning if you wanted to quickly do pb ssg whatever enemy you’re attempting to do it to immediately bumrushes you anyways, atp just throw down a frag

that means your best option for something like that is pb rocket, or maybe a lock on, but let’s use the first one as an example, because if you’re lock on-ing you might as well rely on the damage falter anyways. so it’d go like mb, pb rocket, 50, 400, 900, damage, takes about 1.5 seconds to do that each cycle, using a tyrant as a baseline, you’d spend about 7.5 seconds to kill a tyrant with a combo like that, which is laughably bad because chaingun base fire deals 1000DPS, killing a tyrant in 10 seconds.

[strange gale]

yea the spirits in that dlc never have anything threatening to possess

possessed manc projectiles are a tiny bit scary i guess, but the other 2 spirits in world spear and immora can grab what, a fuckin tyrant and hell knight?

[strange gale]

i'm going to mention the possessed enemy falter so nobody else brings it up, the issue you mentioned just gets amplified in this context

instead of relying on tiny stuns that gimp your movement and force you to stay in possessed enemy melee range, it just makes more sense to use your busted ass movement options and deal damage like a normal person

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/CF7aJ5NeXa8?si=UZPiYxKrXx0Oopqx

lel… the only time the spirit is even remotely threatening you can just out damage every enemy

[strange gale]

the resistances didn't even do anything for the first spider

littlest brother was not prepared

[strange skiff]

Hi someone for battlemode nintendo switch

[young mango]

spawns not possessed so it’s a free 2710 damage meaning you can sneeze on him while he’s possessed and he just dies, there’s methods to downright instakill him but if you do that the other arachnotron gets possessed instead

[young mango]

and the BFG placement is intentionally shitty for this reason, you could most certainly get a placement that spawnkills both arachnotrons, but then the first tyrant spawns possessed

No clue why they make it like this though, there’s most definitely instances of enemies spawning possessed, like the possessed hell knight in immoras turret section not too long after the escalation encounter arena

[young mango]

which by the way is a kick in the ass because that arena requires a double dblade set up with the hell knight and turrets to basically Instantly end the arena other than the second hell knight, but ID devs love adding features that make the game harder than it needs to be like aim punch so you can just straight up miss your double dblade with perfect aim in that section

[young mango]

ESV 🤤

[spring panther]

i once failed a UN run because of a barrel

[storm field]

I once failed UN run because of 60 FPS(Balanced graphics)

[umbral totem]

@young mango hi I’m slowly getting better at quick swapping

[young mango]

That’s good

[umbral totem]

How do u do the slob technique plz help @young mango Skylar’s video is apparently not accurate

[karmic imp]

hey guys

[spring panther]

i use balanced quite often

[young mango]

it’s anything that applies FSE ( use the precision bolt for simplicity sake ) and then a rocket with said FSE applied to it, meaning if the rocket doesn’t come out fast, your SLOB isn’t happening, and after that FSE rocket is fired, you immediately start your lock on, this activates a sort of buffer state that makes it start without a wind up, and if you release both left and right click during the volley firing, both volleys will fire, I find it nice to just spam left click during the volley firing process to give it a little bit of leeway, but I can assure you sylars video was most likely accurate

[lost wren]

I accidentally ended The ARC Complex without collecting everything. I was missing two things plus an empyrean key.

Now I have to finish the next level first before going back. Doom Eternal is

Ridiculously fun. Didn’t expect I’d enjoy an fps games this much. The movement and agency makes it a lot better. Wartime shooters or ones with uncreative weapons are not for me. I wasn’t into Serious Sam

[austere bronze]

Even on my main save slot I still have upgrades that I want bu don't have💀

[lost wren]

I don’t use the meat hook

[lost wren]

Why do you want them? There’s so many that only a few ones go go use.

I have all of them but I find it to be unnecessary. Choice is cool though

[small helm]

you really want to tho, amazing for movement and dealing tons of damage by SSG pointblank

[lost wren]

Yea I realize that. I need to try the arbalest ssg combo on marauders

I beat my first marauder on the second try which is pretty good

[young mango]

for most weapons no joke only one weapon mod is useful and the other only exists for MSC and Double Shot. and the plasma rifle in its entirety is laughable

[lost wren]

Because people I talk to hype it up to be really hard

[austere bronze]

I used not to use it too, but I forced myself to start using it and after a while I got good with it and improved a lot

[austere bronze]

It's my second favoite rune that I'm missing and maybe some masteries

[lost wren]

Dude what’s wrong with the plasma rifle man? I kills too fast sometimes and the heat blast is pretty good at full charge.

Handles swarms well , can really help with Armor

[lost wren]

Which is?

[umbral totem]

I pretty much only use it to kill the shield guys

[austere bronze]

Savagery, it's the rune that lets you perform glory kills faster

[umbral totem]

But sometimes u can use microwave beams to stun heavies for combos

[young mango]

Theres a glitch that makes heat blast deal 4x damage at maximum. 2800 damage for 75 ammo that’s close ranged. as opposed to the dblade which does 2400 damage for 50 ammo and has almost infinite range. so it’s more worth it to use dblade even though this one has 4x more damage, that’s putting into perspective how bad it is. I’m doing this next number off of memory but it takes about 6 seconds to fully charge up a heat blast like that anyways as opposed to dblades 2 seconds

[lost wren]

Oh what’s your first fave? I don’t have that but I have the one that lets you launch glory kills from further away

[lost wren]

Ballista ammo is very rare though

[austere bronze]

My favorite is air control easily

[young mango]

ontop of that, heat blasts falter mechanic too could be argued to be obsolete since dblade also gives a falter when fully charged

[lost wren]

Interesting

[young mango]

they literally share the same ammo type.

[austere bronze]

Why? Almost everyone likes air control the most

[lost wren]

Because to me I feel like there’s enough movement options to not need such a thing.

[lost wren]

Not capacity

[young mango]

yes they do

[lost wren]

I have 3 ammo max on my ballista most of the time. And a lot more on the plasma rifle.

[young mango]

but that’s literally not true, weapons that share ammo type have the same ammo count

[austere bronze]

You can dodge enemy atacks way easier with air control and you have much much more freedom with it

[young mango]

stop making things up man