doom-eternal

[young mango]

yea certain portions were nerfed during TAG2’s release, I think them reverting it happened in 6.0

this criticism probably indirectly led to the 6.66 changes in TAG2 which are just; questionable.

[rose thistle]

...6.66 changes in TAG2?

[young mango]

they added a few extra waves to minor encounters and to other encounters they would just add an extra enemy and kinda call it a day, I think the encounters were just fine before they got “rebalanced” for the people that were complaining

[rose thistle]

I see

pretty minor stuff sounds like

[young mango]

yea and that’s why it’s annoying, because it was like, the changes were minor enough to the point that they didn’t make it harder they kinda just threw you off, so you’d think you’re finished with an encounter but there’s an extra enemy that wasn’t there before

kind of like the video game equivalent of getting a wet sock, a mild inconvenience but it’s certainly annoying

[rose thistle]

"where the fuck did you come from?"

[young mango]

and I feel like more people should try to handle balancing changes like I have, I put my civil two cents in and then if I don’t like it I just downpatch to the version where these changes don’t exist

well I guess console players and whatnot can’t downpatch but I wouldn’t say it’s a game breaker

[rose thistle]

in a single player game (on PC at least) where you have the ability to modify the game so much it is weird to get really upset about balance changes

I play a lot of fighting games so I'm well-versed in dealing with balance I don't like lol

[young mango]

the way they handled the unmaykr is really weird though I will admit, making a weapon people have to go way out of their way to get by doing hard challenges and then proceeding to give every boss a resistance towards it is wild

[umbral totem]

I bought it on steam sale last year and the dlc came with it free for me

[rose thistle]

bro's gotta be buffed
if id won't do it we'll just have to take matters into our own hands...

[young mango]

also it’s a rapid fire weapon with bullets that don’t go in an entirely straight line so you have to be up close for it to be effective, those two mechanics don’t mix

[rose thistle]

hey, they do go in straight lines. Just not straight ahead!

[young mango]

like the unmaker in doom 64 worked so good with that games mechanics and plus the BFG was made to have like 300 ammo, but when the game caps that ammo at 60 and has such wildly different mechanics to where you can just quickswap a tyrant to death In 2 seconds it’s not even remotely worth it

[rose thistle]

they make you go through death challenges for an achievement and cool reference lol

[rose thistle]

dude the 2016 mancubi were actually really cool
making them just fat fucks with explosive stomachs was actually kinda sick lol

the stomach being a weak point is also really novel

[thick hollow]

a

whats with the floor camera glitch

[young mango]

be more specific

[thick hollow]

some glitch where the camera is like on the floor

[young mango]

could you post something in #screenshots perhaps?

[thick hollow]

ik how to fix it but it keeps coming back idk if it should

maby geforce now sux

idk

[wanton anvil]

Can someone help me figure out what to do cultist base mission infiltrate cultust base im at a part with tgis green beam

[rose thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1219710086096879686/image.png
man

I knew there was a reason i went for headshots and shit more in 2016

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832527939153297448/1219710385100161044/image.png
huh

interesting

[azure oriole]

Bcuz without that laser and rocket he can't do shit and he's slow asf

Better turn him into bullet sponge enemy

[rose thistle]

yeah it makes sense, he'd be pretty sad without it
still interesting

bro why'd they get rid of the cacodemon eye thing 😭

[golden musk]

today is DOOM Eternal release day

[empty basin]

Probably because either if not all of:

1. The design principle between Doom 2016's Tactical Scope and Doom Eternal's Precision Bolt being different, as the former is automatic and the latter is semi-automatic
2. The Cacodemon received another gimmick in the form of the Sticky Bombs & Frag Grenade interaction
3. It's just wasn't a priority in development

[azure oriole]

if you guys could pick one demon to never have to fight again, which would it be.

[empty basin]

Also I've never heard of this before, what's the source of this?

I've never heard of a mod that restores it either despite the claimed relevant ease 🤔

[austere bronze]

Marauder

[empty basin]

Oh after some digging, it seems that a mod for it really did exist, but the mod author removed it at some point

[austere bronze]

Not hard to kill but just annoying

[empty basin]

I'm not too sure why

[azure oriole]

I played the campaign on the easiest difficulty and died on the first level to an arachnotron.

what's an easy(ish) skin to get for the doom slayer

and how get it

[austere bronze]

We all start somewhere, I also played on the easiest difficulty when I started

[azure oriole]

s a m e

[azure oriole]

No, I'm just bad.

when did you start playing

[azure oriole]

It was the one in the subway

[azure oriole]

Night before last night

last saturday lol

[austere bronze]

I was also bad, now I would consider me pretty goof at least

[austere bronze]

That one is so annoying

I just run past it

[verbal mantle]

Whiplash hate it with a passion

[azure oriole]

On my first and second playthrough I died so bad because I had no ammo but on my playthrough on Saturday night I saved my chainsaw unless I needed it.

[azure oriole]

The one with the two cannon arms, the big one.

[austere bronze]

Mancubus

[azure oriole]

ye

[azure oriole]

Yep

[azure oriole]

SAME they're so annoying

[austere bronze]

Just pb+ssg it, pb+ballista or lock on burst on it

Or dbalde

[azure oriole]

What mission do you first encounter the mancubus on

[austere bronze]

Or freeze them

[azure oriole]

Then again I've only just finished doom hunter base last night

cause that's the mission I'm on

[austere bronze]

Cultist base

[azure oriole]

i'm about halfway through that one I think

[azure oriole]

Ooooooof

when do you fight the doom hunter

[austere bronze]

In the next mission

[azure oriole]

Lil tip for the next levels...

[azure oriole]

cronos strike

[verbal mantle]

Yall got tips for ultra nightmare? ON CONTROLLER😭 im close to beating nightmare mode but i suck ass at it

[azure oriole]

i've played a day longer but you're already ahead of me 😢

[austere bronze]

No, sorry, I myself never play UN

[azure oriole]

In general, knowing the levels helps a lot, memorizing encounters, chainsaw pip locations, how much bfg ammo you have in each level, stuff like that. Practice and dedication are the two things you need the most imo. I don't know what you mean by "on controller" though. I've beaten UN on controller so if you have something specific you want to ask then you can but Im not really sure what you mean from just that.

[austere bronze]

What difficulty do you play on?

[azure oriole]

Hurt Me Plenty

"im too young to die" felt too easy for a first run

[azure oriole]

I'm playing on "I'M TOO YOUNG TO DIE"

you probly didnt fall 47 times on the parkour sections (couldn't be me)

[azure oriole]

That's ok. The difficulty you play on doesn't matter, just make sure you're having fun and enjoying the experience. Everyone has to start somewhere anyways.

[azure oriole]

I fell 50

[azure oriole]

(was me)

I also spent half an hour at the first slayer gate

I uhh first tried the first slayer gate

[austere bronze]

Big tip for you guys: learn to quick swap, it'spretty easy and will make you able to deal MUCH more damage

[verbal mantle]

Ngl i dont know if either a whiplash or archvile are more annoying they be annoying asf

[azure oriole]

Ik

Also don't forget time slows when you switch weapons

[verbal mantle]

[azure oriole]

Just use cryo bomb

[austere bronze]

Oh so yoy use chrono strike? Pretty good choice for the beginning

[azure oriole]

Chrono was my 4th

[austere bronze]

Freeze the archvile and lock-on burst 2 times and it will die

[azure oriole]

i had to fight 2 dread knights

[azure oriole]

First was glory kill range, then fatal blow survival, glory kill range x2, and then crono strike, I only got crono strike to deal with the big boys with 2 cannons

[austere bronze]

Glory kill range twice??

[azure oriole]

I love how I just glide over to em

Also the I frames during glory kills are useful

[austere bronze]

There arent 2 glory kill range runes...

[azure oriole]

I upgraded one

[austere bronze]

Then it isn't a rune

So you have 3 runes?

[azure oriole]

No cuz I got it from sentinel crystals

[sterile shuttle]

hello im new here

[austere bronze]

Hello

[azure oriole]

hello

[austere bronze]

You can't get glory kill range increade from sentinel crystals

[azure oriole]

Really?

[austere bronze]

Yeah

[azure oriole]

Cuz I swear I did

I'll take a screenshot after I get home, have dinner, and shower.

Unless you're right ofc

[sterile shuttle]

im curently playing DOOM eternal

[austere bronze]

I just took a screenshot from the wiki to show all the perks, but I forgot that you can't send screenshots💀

[azure oriole]

Just dm

[austere bronze]

Oh yeah

[azure oriole]

It might be my version tho because I remember boosting my glory kill range twice

[austere bronze]

Think it might be an upgrade you just get at some point in the game, there are a couple of those, idk tho

[azure oriole]

Like when I || killed the second hell priest and got a blood punch upgrade? ||

[austere bronze]

Yes, exactly

[azure oriole]

There's a rune that increases the range at which you can glory kill, a rune that increases how long enemies are staggered for, a rune that makes you perform glory kills faster, and one that gives you a speed boost when you do a glory kill.

There are not two glory kill range runes.

[austere bronze]

If it wasn't for ait control I would be using the last three runes

[sterile shuttle]

isn't there a rune that if its off a ledge it will send you back on the ground

[verbal mantle]

Any body know a simple revenant combo

[austere bronze]

Ballista+pb+ballista will send it into a glory kill state

[sterile shuttle]

i didn't know that exsited i started doom eternal around halloween

[austere bronze]

Not sure I understand but I think no

[austere bronze]

Know what existed?

[sterile shuttle]

yep i play on both ps4 and switch and i beat ps4 edition and i saw the rune while playing on the ps4

[rose thistle]

But it was cool!!

[young mango]

revenants go into glory kill state at 1500 damage, a point blank super shotgun does 1600 damage, although point blank damage with such a small hitbox is unlikely. but im fairly sure you could top him off with any non-rapid fire weapon after that, a precision bolt could suffice, note if you’re trying to increase the time he’s staggered it should be prolonged by the amount of cannons he has. Without dazed and confused the numbers are 5 seconds ( both cannons ) 7 seconds ( one cannon ) 10 seconds ( no cannons ), note that sticky bombs and precision bolts do about double damage on their cannons

[azure oriole]

I'm not sure what you're asking, but if you're talking about how the game will teleport you back onto the ground if you fall off the playable area, then no that isn't a rune, it's just a mechanic of the game.

[rose thistle]

I love how this game has "combos"

[frigid zinc]

Real

[verbal mantle]

Yo wasup dawg

[rose thistle]

Guys what gun is best to use on oki

[frigid zinc]

Wsp

[azure oriole]

Uhhh

[azure oriole]

Bfg

[cloud zenith]

real

[rose thistle]

A super on oki? I mean I guess but...

[azure oriole]

Use the BIG FRIENDLY GUN

[austere bronze]

Oki?

[rose thistle]

What's the funniest way I can explain this

Okizeme, also known as oki, is the moment during the game when your opponent is knocked down and you get to attack them as they stand back up. The defender's options are limited, so the offensive player gets to attack with all sorts of mixups or apply any mind game they choose. Some options include attacking with a basic meaty, doing a cross-up, or trying to bait their opponent's desperate dragon punch by simply doing nothing and blocking.

[frigid zinc]

Should of done it in fortnite terms

[azure oriole]

Just shoot it or glory kill it.

Just kill the demon.

[austere bronze]

Umm me shoot me kill, me no "basic meaty"

[azure oriole]

Same, just rip and tear, it doesn't matter how, just do it in a way that rips and tears.

[austere bronze]

Couldn't agree more

[fallen heart]

it turned out to be a good mod to master naturally during some of the waiting periods of the speedrun like first arena of urdak, which is on a timer and obviously icon of sin after you've done your 8/8 each phase

[rose thistle]

...is mastering a mod during the final boss really something that saves you much time?

[fallen heart]

of course

its the longest waiting time during the run, might aswell be effective while waiting on the boss animations

[azure oriole]

What about rocket launchers lock on

[fallen heart]

thats done through the first mastery token in taras nabad

cause mastered lock on burst makes the mod actually faster between each volley burst

[sterile shuttle]

the revenant combo

[azure oriole]

Anyway, we gonna talk about how Cacodemons are so cute in doom eternal?

[sterile shuttle]

exactly

[azure oriole]

Who's the cutest demon in doom eternal? (Other than cacodemon)

[sterile shuttle]

idk

[fallen heart]

pain elemental for sure

[sterile shuttle]

i like the pain elemental poison frog skin

[azure oriole]

I'm talking about in campaign

[fallen heart]

mancubus pretty cute aswell

[azure oriole]

Not skins.

[sterile shuttle]

hey!!

[fallen heart]

huh

[sterile shuttle]

okay

[fallen heart]

pain elemental is the actual demons name

[azure oriole]

I'd say the first demon you see in the campaign

[sterile shuttle]

the zombie?

[azure oriole]

Either that or the revenant that gives you the super shotgun

[azure oriole]

Yes

[azure oriole]

Only that one in particular

[sterile shuttle]

i did not kill him he was nice to me

[rose thistle]

The floating balls are definitely at the top

[sterile shuttle]

ayo?!?

[rose thistle]

Do Marauder wolves count?

[azure oriole]

I had to kill it because I was playing truth or dare.

[azure oriole]

Nuh uh

[sterile shuttle]

Why

idk

whats the demon you hate the most??

[azure oriole]

Mancubus.

[fallen heart]

marauder in speedruns

[rose thistle]

Nah
Cyber Manc

Regular manc you can neutralize pretty easily

[sterile shuttle]

for me its the archvile and marauder

[azure oriole]

There's a variant?

[rose thistle]

...

Yes?

[sterile shuttle]

im saying 2 demons

[azure oriole]

Oh god

[sterile shuttle]

yep

i like the tyrant i love the artwork on it

[fallen heart]

i'd say tyrants are pretty cute aswell btw

[rose thistle]

Classic cyberdemon!

[azure oriole]

Cacodemons are the cutest tho, we all know that.

[rose thistle]

Obviously

[fallen heart]

eh

until you find out that they have arms and see them, they drop down on the cute scale imo

[sterile shuttle]

yep

[rose thistle]

Arm sand

[sterile shuttle]

what??

[azure oriole]

Arms make em cuter

[sterile shuttle]

yep

[rose thistle]

Imagine scratching one's belly and its little arms wiggle about

[fallen heart]

i am disgusted

[sterile shuttle]

eeewww!!!!!

[rose thistle]

Cacos are probably like cats, they don't like it when you touch their bellies but will present them if really comfortable
If they're particularly trusting they'll let you scritch

[austere bronze]

Yepp, and they are way worse (:

[sterile shuttle]

Any opinions on the khan makyr

[austere bronze]

Ez

[rose thistle]

She do have chest orb

[sterile shuttle]

She ugly have you seen the no armor form? its just NASTY!!

[rose thistle]

I'm sure you'd look pretty ugly too if all your skin fell off

[azure oriole]

The second hell priest be lookin fine tho.

[sterile shuttle]

yep

[azure oriole]

Demons call him father but I call him daddy

[sterile shuttle]

But why did he make a weak boss??

[azure oriole]

The slayer made it.

[austere bronze]

Are people attracted to demons or wtf is happening💀

[rose thistle]

I hate this but it's pretty clever

[sterile shuttle]

oh yeah

[azure oriole]

cough cough Succubus cough cough

[sterile shuttle]

The Icon Of Sin

[austere bronze]

Is pretty thick ngl

[rose thistle]

Dude you know what'd be cool
If the next doom game had like, a succubus sorta demon
Which would take the form of a pretty girl and bait you over, but transform into something grotesque when you engaged

[sterile shuttle]

thats what im talking about!!

my god bruh

[rose thistle]

It wouldn't work much as like a regular enemy without a big shift in gameplay but maybe as like some kinda boss?

[austere bronze]

But then you could just wait to fight it until the end and just kill it super easily

[azure oriole]

Well succubus are like sirens, they lure you in with what you desire right?

[austere bronze]

Let me introduce you to DOOM 2016

[sterile shuttle]

yep

[azure oriole]

Therefore it could be taking the form of loot like ammo, health, and armor

[rose thistle]

Depends on what lore you're using but you could easily take that route yeah

[rose thistle]

Daisy mimic

[sterile shuttle]

ive seen markiplyer vid about it

[rose thistle]

That said succubi I think are pretty specifically more of a sex thing than general "desires"
So idk

[sterile shuttle]

ayo doomguy know his bunny dead

[azure oriole]

Yes, that's the whole reason doom eternal works

[sterile shuttle]

daisy got decapitated

[azure oriole]

Doom Slayer returns to earth, sees his family and his rabbit died, and gets angry, kills all of the demons, including himself.

[sterile shuttle]

yep

with the icon of sin

[rose thistle]

I could see it as a boss where like you spend the stage talking to a lady with a seductive voice over the comms and when you get to the end it turns out to be a trap
Or maybe if it was a game more like Doom 3 with you interacting people more often, so a more common sort of bait could work

Or tbh
Maybe we're trying too hard, there's an obvious solution
Womancubi, they still got two cannons but they're somewhere else...

[azure oriole]

Pffffffft

[rose thistle]

This is what they will reveal tomorrow

The floating head of Romero revealed it to me in a dream

[azure oriole]

That would be comedy gold, it's a red woman with curves, in nothing but panties, and instead of bazongalongas its literal cannons.

[austere bronze]

Wouldn't really fit into DOOM

[azure oriole]

Probably too nsfw tho

[rose thistle]

Maybe, depends on how it's executed
I just think the idea of a succubus demon is pretty interesting, would be neat to see how it was adapted

[sterile shuttle]

yeah doom is a shooting game not a dating game

[austere bronze]

And the doom slayer wouldn't be seduced...

[azure oriole]

Well ofc

[sterile shuttle]

yeah

[austere bronze]

Fr

[azure oriole]

Only thing that is gonna seduce him is if he sees all demons dying.

[rose thistle]

Nah
She looks like a mancubus, but with curves and relocated weaponry

[sterile shuttle]

bruh

[austere bronze]

Then he would stop being angry and lose all his power

[azure oriole]

That weaponry located to where the bazangalongas are.

[rose thistle]

Same art style as the other enemies, not just "hot woman but red and horns"

[sterile shuttle]

what

[austere bronze]

But you wouldn't be able to seduce the doom slayer in any way, obly thing he wants to do is kill demons

[azure oriole]

I just posted smth really funny in #videos

[rose thistle]

Add a codex entry that says they find the slayer particularly frustrating because of that

[sterile shuttle]

love it

[rose thistle]

Or tbh, we could have a new marine
I think the modern series has about run its course for now, I'd like to see a new take on the series

[azure oriole]

We need a new doom game but we have a Canon ending to doom unless Bethesda pulls some stuff where SOMEHOW Doom Slayer gets woken up.

[sterile shuttle]

what?!?!

[rose thistle]

Dude why does everything shock you so much lol

[azure oriole]

Somehow I see Bethesda doin this

[sterile shuttle]

megan is typing so prepare for jibrish

hi

[austere bronze]

Just have the father and samur maykr make some robot demons with some salvaged demon DNA to get revenge on the doom slayer and then he would wake up again and fight

[azure oriole]

Hmmmm

Maaaaybe

[rose thistle]

They could easily pull something out their ass

I'd prefer they didn't, they've fucked up the lore enough already

[sterile shuttle]

yeah

[rose thistle]

It's funny how Doom had actual genuine interesting lore for like, a game, and then they ruined it instantly

[sterile shuttle]

yeah

i love you

my sister!!!

[azure oriole]

OHHH MAH GOD!

[rose thistle]

Like the series was pretty much just a whatever plot with rule of cool as an excuse to shoot bad guys but from the last bit of 2016 to about the end of Eternal's campaign there was like actual stuff to look into and stuff
And then they immediately shat all over it

[rose thistle]

Are you ok

[sterile shuttle]

i wanna slap her

that was my sis

[rose thistle]

Lol she got onto your keyboard?

[austere bronze]

Nah, fake news

[sterile shuttle]

yep

shut up!!!!!!!!!

[austere bronze]

No u

[rose thistle]

Was it just a taunt? Why did they write up all this cool shit and characters just to immediately ruin it? A display of power? Why!

[young mango]

well it’s not like it’s that difficult to get the demons back into the swing of the events of doom eternal, it’s just how it’d happen that’s confusing, because hell itself is still very much full of demons, it is that just every demon outside of hell has perished

[rose thistle]

They also can't leave

But that didn't stop them before so

[austere bronze]

Yeah but I want some tech demons

[rose thistle]

Don't we have those already?

[austere bronze]

UAC bouta come in clutch with portal experimenting

[young mango]

there were definitely tech demons in immora

[austere bronze]

Not enough

[rose thistle]

Immora was so stupid why does hell just have a fucken
High tech city with artillery 😭

[sudden pecan]

I hate how immora lasted like 14 seconds

[rose thistle]

"Ok guys you liked the contrast of Urdak to hell? Ok but what if we made hell like
Evil Urdak"

[sudden pecan]

its the fucking capital city of hell and it takes 10 seconfs to get through

[rose thistle]

Hot take but hell should not have a capital city

[strange gale]

lore wise, urdak is white jekkad

[young mango]

fr… https://youtu.be/Utly3AB5t0w?si=wzZRIMPpPaQ8xWGA

[rose thistle]

Yeah yeah whatever

[strange gale]

it's uninspired still

[sudden pecan]

lol

[strange gale]

but it's also not biblical hell which further separates de from the stupid ass "christian game" allegations

[rose thistle]

No idea what you're... what?

[young mango]

most annoying joke I’ve ever heard tbh

when the icon of sin grow longer malicious intent rip and tear doom music kicks in surface of mars

[azure oriole]

The codex explains this, hell was once a dimension called Jekkad, before it was called hell. It was like nice back then, wasn't full of demons. Immora is old enough to have been built before it became hell I believe

[strange gale]

based on what you said earlier, you have a preconceived notion of what hell in a video game "should" be and i'm simply responding to that

[rose thistle]

I know, I'm just saying "Urdak again but it's red" is lame as hell
Literally in this case, ig

[low oar]

Hello, does anyone have official information about wraiths? What are they? Did Hugo Martin say anything about them? Also interested in your opinion about wraiths. It's surprising that the guardians of the world spear look like humanoids, who are they? Sorry for bad English, I'm from Russia.

[rose thistle]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Elemental_Wraith

The fact that so many people come in here to ask about the lore makes what they did to it so much sadder

[low oar]

I know this, is there any more information on this topic? It is especially interesting to see if Hugo has any statements regarding them.

[sterile shuttle]

yo!

[azure oriole]

That's not doom eternal

[young mango]

doom eternal is the sequel to 2016, this message was a reply to somebody talking about something that is mentioned in doom eternal but has higher prevalence in 2016. so they sent a wiki page mentioning that, it is perfectly on topic, hope this helps!

[azure oriole]

I mean...

True.

[rose thistle]

I mean the wraiths only appear physically in 2016 but they're arguably a lot more relevant to the story of eternal

guys is there any way to disable the console I keep hitting the button on accident during gameplay lol

[young mango]

they appear in world spear

[azure oriole]

Nice Opinion, one small issue: There is a landmine in an undisclosed location within your home. Every step is a...risky move.

[rose thistle]

something appears in world spear, but it ain't the wraiths

[rose thistle]

I do not see how this is relevant to me, sorry

[rose thistle]

y'all how do I do the pb lob on marauder
he always seems to recover before the rockets can hit

[azure oriole]

Just kill him.

With a shotgun

[rose thistle]

not helpful

[azure oriole]

That's a you problem.

[young mango]

what’s your end goal? you joined literally yesterday and you’ve done nothing but spam, say weird things, and be rude.

[rose thistle]

hey they're done a bit of constructive participation

[azure oriole]

True

[rose thistle]

don't let it go to your head

[azure oriole]

The game answers this lol. Immora is where Maykr tech came from.

Like it's the origin of Maykr engineering.

[rose thistle]

I understand why it's like that in lore
I'm saying it's dumb lore and makes for uninteresting environments

[azure oriole]

Eh, I thought Immora was one of the coolest Hell levels. Loved the fighting in the background.

[rose thistle]

oh yeah that shit is sick

it's just
it's still "level you've seen before but red" at the end of the day

[azure oriole]

Personally I think some of Eternal's best lore/story shit is in The Ancient Gods.

I like the Seraphim reveal, Davoth is a cool character, generally enjoy everything going on with Urdak and Hell.

[rose thistle]

it's cool in a vacuum, but imo it totally undermines and ruins everything that had been built up until that point

like, just on a basic level, pretty much all of the backstory Eternal had built up being flipped to "but actually it was THIS GUY pulling the strings all along and everything was just part of his plan!!" is like
ok so you just rip out any agency the characters had and thus everything that made them interesting

[azure oriole]

I don't really get what you mean. What backstory had Eternal built up to?

[young mango]

m0nologue you’re so Zased…. TAG2 is amazing, next time I get a wave of motivation im going to speedrun it again, my last one was mid

[rose thistle]

not built up to, just built up
all the shit with the sentinels and the maykrs and all that
the civil wars and betrayals and stuff
putting it all into "it was all orchestrated by a greater power" is just extremely uninteresting

retconning samuel and vega from a really sick human whose objectives collided with the slayer's a bit and a super sick AI that doomguy took a liking to to
a god and supergod (not to be confused with supersupergod)
makes them way less cool (not to mention a ton of shit just doesn't make sense in retrospect when you pull that lense)

[young mango]

well to be fair, samuel being the seraphim was definitely foreshadowed before TAG, in Taras Nabad, and VEGA being foreshadowed to be the father in Urdak.

[rose thistle]

and like
why is supersupergod/the devil just evil doomguy?
or like doomguy is just good supersupergod/the devil but whatever
that makes no sense
what about literally everything that had happened so far? is he just a tool, created for this sole purpose? was everything we did just because Davoth wanted it so?
every unimaginable feat by mr guy was not achieved through the power of campy badassness and rage but because some deity wanted it?
way to rip the agency out of the player and undermine what, while maybe not a terribly deep and profound story, was a collection of fun tales about a guy who was just so cool he could fight through the legions of hell single-handedly and win

[rose thistle]

yeah ik
that's why I say Eternal's story started falling off towards the end of the campaign, rather than specifically TAG
imo Urdak is the point where the line breaks and TAG is just the fallout, everything until then was cool and manageable

Samuel said some weird shit but it could be accepted enough as him just having studied stuff they found in hell
that said like Eternal Samuel is just an entirely different character from 2016 Sam

like not only do they not explain how we got from the end of 2016 to the start of eternal (where'd this spaceship come from??) but like, we never get any kinda closure for his betrayal at the end of the last game?
Arc Complex even puts your goal as "confront samuel" but when you get to him you just chuck him into your ship and he starts helping you
like hello?? are we not pissed?? i get we gotta be practical but slayer doesn't indicate any resentment, irritation even, at all

but really like
the story was so good up till urdak
the second they introduced the Father as a character things started getting out of hand, the Maykrs were way cooler as their own top level limited beings rather than the servant of a greater force (though the lore around the Father that's in the main campaign could have worked if they'd kept it minimal with him just as a kinda councilling energy rather than a god)

and then they go further and detach them from the top by another level with all the Jekkad and Davoth nonsense and it's just like
well there goes those guys

Khan should have remained as the big bad, not some tool from some supersupergod puppet master

[young mango]

for some reason on my first playthrough actually fighting the khan maykr was a surprise, since she had been nothing a narrative device beforehand

[azure oriole]

I mean TBF this was intended during Eternal itself.

Actually this was likely intended since before Eternal even came out.

Lorebook definitely hints towards the "Davoth is the real God" reveal.

[rose thistle]

ok but it sucks!!!

[azure oriole]

So if that was intended all the way back then it's like these other twists were as well.

[rose thistle]

and they're bad twists!!!!!

[azure oriole]

Eh... I dunno. I like the VEGA twist. I also think Samuel being the Seraphim fits him, and makes more sense than most of the ideas people came up with for him.

[sturdy agate]

Hello

[rose thistle]

2016 Samuel completely sweeps Eternal Samuel/Samur in every way as a character, they should have just been different guys
VEGA as the Father I could maybe kinda get behind if they found a cool reason to how Samuel (actual Samuel) got his hands on him

[azure oriole]

I don't really see much of a difference between the two Samuel depictions. He's definitely in a very different situation, but I just didn't really see it as a downgrade I guess.

[sturdy agate]

Who’s actual Samuel I thought there was only 1

[azure oriole]

There is, Adre is saying it feels like they wrote him very differently in Eternal.

[rose thistle]

yea

it's supposed to be the same guy but it sure as hell doesn't feel like it

[sturdy agate]

I think they are similar just one got ripped in half

The same

[azure oriole]

With Samuel being so domineering and villainous in 2016 I enjoyed Eternal showing him as he's been, uh... put in his place a bit.

[sturdy agate]

Yeah bud thought he was him with the tether

[rose thistle]

I went pretty much all of TAG1 thinking the original Samuel must have died and gotten replaced by the Seraphim somehow before I figured out no he's just meant to have always been this completely different character who doesn't act anything like him

[young mango]

m0nologue plz play TAG2 i would love to see gameplay from the lore master

[azure oriole]

I can 100% guarantee you will not be impressed.

[sturdy agate]

Is doom guy just in an infinite loop

[azure oriole]

I've never quite gotten the complaint they act differently. Seraphim feels like a very similar character.

[sturdy agate]

I beat it in 1 hour

[azure oriole]

Nah. The sarcophagus at the end of TAG is different from 2016's.

[sturdy agate]

You would be very disappointed

[young mango]

maybe not me in specific but it would still be nice to see, I like seeing what other peoples gameplay looks like

[sturdy agate]

Ok

[rose thistle]

ok but I wanted to put him in his place, tell him off and have him awkwardly help me because it's necessary
we just chuck him in the ship and he becomes Vega 2?
and then in TAG nothing makes sense frankly. I mean first of all he's downgraded again to "ohh you owe me so much you need to help me" (simultaneously true but he's a huge ass about it) and also it just, a real wuss? and then like doomguy betrays him which makes even less sense cause like, yeah he was an ass but he did help you, didn't he?? if that's meant to be retribution for the end of 2016 it's a little late, and I feel like the fact he literally was the one who gave you your power and has supposedly been on your side the entire time is like
dude I still don't get that. Nothing Doomguy does past Urdak makes any sense.

[azure oriole]

Doomguy isn't betraying Samur just because he hates Samur. If anything his hesitation to kill him at the end of TAG1 signifies more complex feelings there.

He intends to revive Davoth so he can permanently kill him. If the Father were allowed to gain physical form, he would stop Doomguy from doing this.

On top of that the Maykrs are assholes and I doubt he cares to let them restructure with their badass god-man.

[young mango]

also let it be noted that doomguy would be powerless to stop the father because the father would be marginally more powerful

[azure oriole]

This too, yeah.

The Father probably would kick his ass.

[rose thistle]

surely they could work something out
The Father is VEGA, we're buds with him
the fact we kinda just stab the character who has pretty much been our greatest ally up until that point just feels really dumb

[young mango]

VEGA and the father are separate entities iirc though, with VEGA being a copy of his consciousness and not a transference like samuels is

[azure oriole]

TBF when he was our ally he did not know he was the Father.

The Father assumes when we come back to Urdak that we are there to help him. The Maykrs are characterized by intense narcissism and self-importance - it's likely this also applies to the Father even if he was a hell of a lot nicer than the Khan or Samur.

[rose thistle]

you think he's gonna just forget everything? we literally saved his life in 2016 and have been buds up the whole time. I'm not saying he wouldn't betray us but they don't even address it

it all just makes Doomguy seem like a massive asshole

[azure oriole]

But why help him? The Father failed to kill Davoth in his hesitance, allowing Hell to fester. And the Father also failed to stop the Khan from subjugating the Argenta - why bring him back when for all he knows, the Father will continue being a cowardly prick and allowing evil shit to happen, on top of allowing Urdak to gain prominence again?

What happened to the robot dude who took the doom sword

[azure oriole]

He's in Eternal. He got bifurcated, then became an angel, then became a demon-angel, then disappeared.

[azure oriole]

Do we get the doom sword in eternal?

Yes

👍

[rose thistle]

and like how he just crushes The Father's orb but then takes Davoth's to revive
like they do the little handwave of "the dark lord can't be killed until he takes physical form" but like
why?
and how did doomguy know this? he doesn't even try to crush that ball

he goes to the blood swamps with the express purpose of "destroy father ball revive satan"

[young mango]

the intern most definitely talks about the luminarium before he grabs the life sphere

[azure oriole]

Well, we are picking up Codex pages along the way. Samur also explains to us the Father can be revived from his Life Sphere, so this can naturally be applied to Davoth as well.

[rose thistle]

yeah but why can't davoth's ball just be crushed?

[glossy warren]

sometimes you guys just need to accept that its a game

[young mango]

let’s go with the sammy option because doomguy doesn’t read😢

[rose thistle]

it is a game but the game has shitty writing and I don't like it because the writing until that point was actually like pretty good mostly

[azure oriole]

Because Davoth will remain as an ethereal spirit that can manipulate and lead Hell, just as the Father is during The Holt.

And this means Hell gets to stick around and keep its connections to other realms.

[rose thistle]

didn't we just establish the Father in Urdak is like a copy or something? there's no copy of the dark lord doing shit, he's doing it from his ball
right?

[azure oriole]

No, the Father in Urdak is the Father. VEGA is a copy of his consciousness.

[rose thistle]

ok no hang on
those guys are definitely the same
VEGA is the Father in Urdak, we put him in and he's like "oh shit I'm remembering some stuff"

"that's VEGA, you left him here on your last mission"

[azure oriole]

Yes. They were originally separate. When VEGA is uploaded back into Urdak, he becomes the Father again.

[rose thistle]

but there was no Father in Urdak prior to us uploading VEGA, the codex even talks about how his "presence" disappeared some time ago

[azure oriole]

Hold on. I will be right back.

[glossy warren]

• scrolling through the reformatted codex entires in his google drive *

[azure oriole]

Nah, drawing.

[azure oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1214741799026036827/1219802383069220995/image.png?ex=660ca07e&is=65fa2b7e&hm=463341fe796d01cf16355bc354bb718dfc1143aebad81ce62bc3546e010381bb&

[rose thistle]

that makes sense

dude I love ms paint lore diagrams like this lol

[azure oriole]

So now the Father's back but lacks his powers or physical form. So Doomguy hasn't killed him - he's just permanently taken the Father's power so as to deny any chance of the Maykrs coming back.

[random vault]

you destroy the sphere after urdak

[azure oriole]

Yeah, I know, but I only had so much space.

[rose thistle]

red lines are less dense than black, clearly

[azure oriole]

This same sort of thing, except without any copies, is what's happened to Davoth. Even as a Life Sphere, Davoth retains mental control over Hell, because his soul is innately tied to Hell. Davoth is the voice reading the Slayer's Testaments in 2016, for example, and IIRC the one speaking with Olivia as well. He's called the Nameless One, there.

Demons is an offensive term, instead use mortally challenged

So by reviving Davoth and actually killing him instead of just compressing him into a ball, Doomguy can end Davoth's reign over Hell, erasing all of its dominion outside the realm itself.

[rose thistle]

hmmm

[azure oriole]

The Father? Nah, he is alive still, just... as a ghost or whatever.

[azure oriole]

Best line in the game

[rose thistle]

ok fair enough

[random vault]

i read the father as davoth

i might be stupid

[azure oriole]

Oh yeah no he's dead as fuck.

[lapis meadow]

Omg doom eternal is so awesome sauce ♥️ they added so many new mechanics as opposed to 2016

[random vault]

so he couldnt have just destroyed the davoth sphere?

[azure oriole]

I do not blame you for not, like, getting some of this - it's not exactly told in the most illuminating way. I am here if you are confused about anything else.

[azure oriole]

That would've been an awful move, no. If he did that, Davoth would permanently remain this spectral voice ordering Hell around, and he would have effectively been made immortal in this form.

Davoth probably wouldn't like that, but Hell would still be able to expand.

[rose thistle]

maybe the father could have helped...

[random vault]

what would happen if he had revived and killed the father sphere

[rose thistle]

"hey remember that time you were about to explode but I backed you up? could you do me a little favour in turn?"

[young mango]

doomguy wouldn’t get the chance to kill the father to be honest

[azure oriole]

He likely would've died trying to kill the Father.

[rose thistle]

he killed Davoth who was supposedly more powerful, no?

dude did the Father ever get like an actual name

for a "nameless one" Davoth sure has a lot of them while the Father is just
dad

[azure oriole]

Well,

1. In TAG2 Davoth does not have the powers he once did. That's why he needs the mech.
2. The Father kicked Davoth's ass while Davoth had his powers.

[young mango]

the father was beating prime davoth, doomguy was so weak by comparison that him just fighting a weakened davoth in a mech had effects on space time ( iirc )

[azure oriole]

The Father is immensely powerful and defeated Davoth in ritual combat - that's how he was able to turn him into a Life Sphere. And Davoth, by that point, was as strong as the Slayer is during Eternal.

[rose thistle]

yeah but he had help, everyone had turned on Davoth

[azure oriole]

Yes, but according to the Codex the fight was specifically between these two.

Samur sat to the side and watched though.

[rose thistle]

is it ever said they fought in ritual combat? I just remember it saying he came down and ripped out his orb

[random vault]

why? would he not be powerless like davoth?

[azure oriole]

It having been ritual combat is implied by TAG2's final boss - Davoth will only fight the Slayer for dominance under their ritual, and this likely was the case for his fight with the Father.

I swear if I see any one of you say "demons" I am going to flip out

[rose thistle]

doomguy could totally kill the father because rule of cool

[young mango]

I imagine he’d have to be way stronger, the divinity machine described what gave his powers to doomguy as a “fragment”

[azure oriole]

Nah, the Life Sphere process does not innately take your powers - this happened to Davoth because a shard of his Life Sphere was taken to power the Divinity Machine.

[rose thistle]

sounds kinda like a massive oversight huh

[azure oriole]

This is another thing that's more implied than outright said. Davoth's powers were given to Doomguy to make him the Slayer. Davoth is actually powerless during TAG2 and requires a mech to compensate for this.

[rose thistle]

wasn't he meant to have a hand to hand phase on foot?

I thought he was just in the mech cause he's a bitch and it looks cool

[azure oriole]

I'm not sure. He was meant to have some sort of phase where he'd become a big dragon thing, but that never happened.

[rose thistle]

dragon??

that sounds sick what the hell
I wanna see that

[azure oriole]

Yeah, this was a concept they'd made up but couldn't implement, either for time or because of COVID. Likely both.

[young mango]

wait I was always under the impression that when it was called a “shard” it implied it was a fraction of what was in davoth and there were other “shards” just randomly scattered, it’s a lot more interesting seeing it as a transference of power

[random vault]

so because they cracked and took a piece of his sphere it removed all his powers?

[azure oriole]

The transferrence of power is what's implied IMO. Hang on.

This is what is said:

The Dark Lord guided the hand of the Khan Maykr as she directed the creation of the Divinity Machine.

The Father had saved** an element of the Dark Lord** before he betrayed him and went into hiding, for he was reluctant to destroy all parts of his creator. This piece of the Dark Lord remained sealed within the coffins of Urdak. Knowing this, the Dark Lord guided the Khan Maykr to it and she took its discovery as a sign form a higher power. She descended from the mountains of Encremon with the shard needed to power the Divinity Machine they had created to save all worlds.

[random vault]

oh so like, the slayer just took all of his power

[azure oriole]

The implication here is that the "piece of the Dark Lord" the Father had saved was what represented the parts of Davoth that made him a Primeval.

[young mango]

ah

[azure oriole]

I was running from a few demons and I ran by a UAC Hologram and she said: "Don't run from our mortally challenged guests, be a good host to our new friends!"

Because he is described as immensely powerful and all that before the Sphereshit - but when he's revived, Davoth is effectively a normal human, requiring the usage of a mech and his armies to fight the Slayer.

[young mango]

so the people who constantly say the slayer is strong for being able to beat davoth now sound even sillier than before

[azure oriole]

Yes lol.

[random vault]

does this then actually make slayer the multiversal being people say he is

[rose thistle]

I don't see how this implies he's nothing more than a human when revived

[azure oriole]

Davoth is not even the strongest foe Doomguy has defeated in terms of power. That'd be the Icon.

[random vault]

since apperently he took away gods power

[azure oriole]

TAG2 itself shows this. Davoth literally displays zero powers other than teleporting to the Dark Realm outside of his mech. In fact, when we damage the mech enough, he outright gives up.

[rose thistle]

that's because he's a bitch

and time constraints/covid

[young mango]

no actually the strongest foe doomguys ever fought is a prowler that teleports out of bounds so it’s impossible for him to complete his mission and earth is fully consumed by the demons

[random vault]

if he’s super god with ultimate power why would he just give up

[azure oriole]

Nah, because even when Davoth was "god" it was only in a superficial way. Davoth was never "multiversal." See him as more an Adam figure than a God. All of his "creations" were through holy engineering, not magic. Davoth being the first doesn't necessarily mean he is the most powerful.

[rose thistle]

cause he's a bitch

[azure oriole]

The implication here is that the Slayer, as we see him in 2016-Eternal, is likely what Davoth was like when he was in his prime.

[azure oriole]

Dats a bad word!

With this in mind, and also including the fact that the Father kicked Davoth's ass... yeah, not in his best interests to bring him back.

[rose thistle]

dude
either contribute meaningfully or shut up, please

[azure oriole]

Meanie.

[azure oriole]

See well this gets into speculation. Here's what I think - I like what the Slayer does here because it shows that callousness we got a lot of in 2016.

The Slayer's a hero, but he's not necessarily a nice guy. He's very, very troubled, and he's long past putting personal friendships over what he sees as his duty. Moreover, he has every reason to fucking hate "gods."

Hence the name. The Slayer's beef is not just with Hell, it's with the Ancient Gods - all of them. Fuck gods, man - the Slayer's more about humanity, and from his perspective all gods have done is cause trouble and ruin shit.

Before we saw that beef with gods, it was beef with authority in general - the Slayer didn't just have a bone to pick with Hell in 2016, he was also enraged by the horrific shit the UAC was doing and how far Hayden was going to justify his actions.

[random vault]

so hes not really god, hes not really powerful, hes just a physically strong dude with special engineering that made stuff?

[rose thistle]

didn't he "create" like, the world?

[azure oriole]

Yeah. Davoth is a primordial engineer whose love for his people transformed into insanity and rage.

[azure oriole]

Only indirectly. It is still very likely the Father did this.

[rose thistle]

Davoth deserved better tbh

[azure oriole]

I got a question about the UAC, what is the UAC?

[random vault]

is the father an actually like powerful dude

[rose thistle]

united aerospace corp

[azure oriole]

So a space corporation is friendly with demons, neat.

[rose thistle]

in classic doom they're just like some tech guys who end up being ground 0 for demons
in doom 3 they're accidentally discover hell which leads to the invasion and some of them join the demons
in the modern games it's like doom 3 but they go a lot harder into the demons and by eternal what's left is entirely a cult

[random vault]

dare i say that hes an anarchist

[rose thistle]

Slayer showed fealty to Novik

[azure oriole]

Most likely, yes. You know how we worry about making an AI stronger and smarter than us, who could randomly decide one day that it knows better than us, and could take control of all our machinery and usurp us and even kill us all if it wanted to?
Davoth did this, but with primordial extra-advanced space technology. The man built a self-aware machine capable of extending his will through countless other machines, building an entire synthetic realm out of tech, and then building an even bigger machine capable of crafting entire dimensions.

Davoth's crazy drive to unearth immortality led to him making robots that were much, much stronger than him or Jekkad. I would imagine that's partially why he became so obsessed with growing Hell's dominion after they initially betrayed him.

[rose thistle]

bro forgot to add the "please do not betray me" function

he
oh my god the parallels
he kinda reminds me of Zanza, from Xenoblade
a once kindly god turned bitter who ends up needing to be put down

[azure oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1214741799026036827/1219808670771052654/image.png?ex=660ca65a&is=65fa315a&hm=e4770a2900cc935b3a45d2849c77380e76a354bf651dfe49a1391a568357812d&

This is why I like Davoth. He's actually a very interesting character, I feel.

[random vault]

so the father is a sentient ai that can create anything

[azure oriole]

Yeah, basically.

[random vault]

i like the scary super ai better when its telling me where to go in the mission

[rose thistle]

I think a lot of the TAG lore has fun ideas but the way there were executed makes me very upset, I really dislike how they reframed a lot of stuff

[azure oriole]

This is why it's still most likely that the Father did the dirty work in creating dimensions and Earth and shit. The Codex says the Maykrs lied in their lore, but they never reveal an alternative that would explain how Davoth "created" everything - it seems they in fact did not lie about this part. The Luminarium is shown to us in-person and is accurate to how the Codex portrays it.
So the Father still almost certainly built the Earthly realms after they locked Davoth within Jekkad.

[rose thistle]

it just ruins a lot of the story for me quite frankly

[rose thistle]

doesn't the Father himself tell us, when prompted by Davoth, that the latter is the "creator of all things"?

[azure oriole]

"By his hand, all things were made," The Father says. Again, this is still sort of true... just, you know, indirectly.

The Father was meant to be an extension of Davoth after all, just a glorified scientist to help find out how to make mortals immortal.

[random vault]

he hand made father who then made everything

[azure oriole]

Yeah.

[rose thistle]

why did they betray him anyway? wasn't he chill up until that point?
like his most stressed quality is he really loved his children

they're like "oh nah this guy's way too clingy"

[random vault]

whys he called the fsther when davoth made him

wouldnt that make davoth the father

[rose thistle]

he stole the title

[random vault]

Identity theft isn’t a joke Jim

[azure oriole]

The Father and the Maykrs successfully did what was asked of them, only to make the unanimous decision that Davoth as of late was going insane and could not be trusted with the ability to render his people immortal.

So he was kept locked in Jekkad with a magical seal - his rage transformed Jekkad into Hell, they began invading the worlds the Father then made, so the Father went back and kicked his ass.

[rose thistle]

well it looks like his "people" ended up rather immortal anyway so like
that worked out great huh?

[azure oriole]

This is likely the answer. Davoth was originally called the Father, his machine stole this title from him by betraying him. Hell calls him The Nameless One up until his revival in TAG2.
We don't know what The Father (as in, the machine) was originally called.

[rose thistle]

all you did was make him pissed

[azure oriole]

This is a running theme, yeah. The Maykrs, naturally immortal, subjugate Earth in an attempt to stop their immortality from driving them insane and return to their natural life/death cycle, because immortality is a curse. But it's all Davoth wanted, and eons later the Argenta too were terrified of death, which allowed them to be manipulated by the Maykrs.

[rose thistle]

anyway if I were to sum up what I don't like about TAG lore
effectively retconning pre-existing interesting characters out of existence with crazy plot twists (give me samuel back!)
totally undermining previously interesting events with the tired "actually it was all orchestrated by a greater power and they were all pawns!!" schtick
a lot of it just, not making sense? characters behave in ways that are irrational or at the least very poorly explained. and especially retroactively, stuff like 2016's entire story just doesn't really make any sense.
(and to be clear, by "TAG" lore I more just mean everything from Urdak onwards)

[rose thistle]

oh yeah this goes hard though

[azure oriole]

I just saw tyrants for the first time during a slayer gate. I was terrified.

But I did it first try.

[azure oriole]

Somehow.

[rain bluff]

Hell yea!

[azure oriole]

What’s good, Slayers?

Can’t believe it’s already been 4 years since this game came out.

[azure oriole]

Let’s get it, Loona!

[rose thistle]

not for another day buddy

[rose thistle]

guys which support rune is better for extra lives mode?

[vale pebble]

may be a different time zone for them

[rose thistle]

impossible

time zones aren't real

[jaunty shard]

Happy Birthday DOOM Eternal!

[onyx onyx]

I have played doom eternal 3 times and finished it those three times it was the best game I have ever played

[sacred spire]

4 year eternal anniversary

[uncut creek]

Doom Eternal's release date could not have been timed any better!

[onyx onyx]

Doom eternal is the best game of the franchise does anyone agree with me

[tall root]

Happy 4th birthday DOOM eternal

[tall root]

hell yeah

[onyx onyx]

Thanks

[rose thistle]

Sorry... I'm sure I've asked before, but is there any guide on getting good with quickswapping and weapon combos and the like?

[strange gale]

"thinking man's action game" this "push forward combat" that, why don't you THINK about PUSHING FORWARD towards ACTION with MEN and COMBATTING increasing GAME prices by getting a job?

@young mango did i cook with this one

[rain bluff]

[austere bronze]

I think you need to throw a grenade and use sylar lock on tech

[rose thistle]

Grenade... that's it

[rose thistle]

I've been working on it and I'm getting used to the binds but still getting my ass kicked lol

[austere bronze]

You just need to practice a lot, and make sure not to go too quick, start of slowly and slowly work your way up in speed

If you want to you can ge into a rhythm with it, although I didn't do that and I would consider myself pretty quick with it

[tame topaz]

so

[rose thistle]

I'm struggling in the decision making a bit, idk when to pull out which weapon and stuff

[tame topaz]

think we'll hear something today?

[rose thistle]

Maybe

[austere bronze]

If it's really far away use pb ballista mid-long range pb rocket and close range pb ssg

[rose thistle]

Always pb huh
Any particular reason?

[austere bronze]

But you just need to play the game to learn what weapons to pull out when

[rose thistle]

Is it cause bullets are the most plentiful ammo or something?

[austere bronze]

I think cuz it has the fastest bring up speed so you can fire it the quickest and it does pretty decent damage

[rose thistle]

Are these speed stats listed anywhere?

[austere bronze]

Idk

[rose thistle]

Hm...

[austere bronze]

But you can easily see what weapons are quick and slow

[empty basin]

All the automatic weapons have the same bringup/bringdown speed afaik

[austere bronze]

If you would try to quick switch between rocket and ballista for example it would be slow

[empty basin]

so Heavy Cannon, Plasma Rifle, and Chaingun

[rose thistle]

What about the Unmaykr :P

[empty basin]

not too sure

[austere bronze]

You never need to use it, although unmaykr quick switching would be pretty funny to see

[rose thistle]

Someone's gotta buff it
Nothing special, even just making it so not everything has massive resistance to it would be good...

Plasma gun seems pretty good for dealing with fodder, but is it worth the ammo? You wanna use that for balista right?

But like ig that applies to all weapons

CSG is good for staggering but costs half an SSG shot, chaingun or heavy cannon cost PBs

What do you even use the chaingun for besides like, panic mode
I can't figure out how to integrate it, ig I'll just build the awareness over time

Also the fucker failed me, I tried to use the shield to get out of losing an extra life but got hot through it?? Must have been a glitch (or I have shit perception, probably that)
Not cool

Anyway I should probably have an easy quick bind on it huh? I think it's the only weapon I don't...

Everything else I've managed to fit on my mouse lol

Technically there is one button unused but it's really incon... well...
Maybe that could work...

[slow sigil]

Aslong as you don't spam it for eons it's ok, you have infinite ammo

[rose thistle]

Ture...

Sainchaw go brr

[slow sigil]

Usually you don't want to use the "weaker" guns because, well, they are weaker

The fact that they also slurp up ammo just hammers it in

[rose thistle]

Plasma bolts kill zombies in like 3 hits though right?

[tall root]

can someone give me a recommend weapon set?

[slow sigil]

Yeah but HC staggers them in 1

[slow sigil]

As in swaps? Just the PB swaps are all good

[tall root]

ok

[slow sigil]

Plus like, they're zombies...

[austere bronze]

One way to use it is when getting oit of a glory kill and there are lots of demons aroung you, just hold chainguns key and wweapon mod button and you will come of th glory kill with it active

[rose thistle]

Well technically I think 2 plasma cells to stagger is less than 1 bullet... right?
Both give you 30 per pickup, but bullets take 6 per PB while plasma is 25
Max bullets is 180 while cells is 250
So, uh... actually, mh
Yeah 1 bullet is better in all senses except percentage of combo shot (and it having so much per max rather nullifies that too)

[slow sigil]

It doesn't matter, you have to play pretty outrageously where 1 HC bullet makes the difference

[rose thistle]

Poor plasma gun
How the mighty have fallen, it was so good in classic doom lol

So I generally wanna open with PB and go into the other weapon rather than the other way around, is it?

Glad we'll finally get the news on that rumoured mod stuff because I've been putting off installing anything in anticipation of a potentially nicer way to do it lol

[slow sigil]

Depends on the hp what is faster

[rocky lion]

yo is it jus me

or when i think of the song bfg division, it is jus like a huge army/squadron of soldiers that wield a bfg

[rose thistle]

Hp? Like health or

[slow sigil]

Yeah, sometimes the threshold you need to reach is 1 swap less if you started the other way around

[inland kite]

idk why but for some reason the feeling and thought of playing super gore nest in the summer when its hot outside and you have an outdoor inflatable pool outside and cold soda, for some reason the thought of that is mesmerizing

its probably just me

[rose thistle]

That is oddly specific yes
Any particular memories ot might be related to?

[inland kite]

idk just the feeling of it

actually summer itself while playing super gore nest is such a good feeling

and for some reason super gore nest should be the first mission to introduce the prowler imo

[fervent fog]

4th anniversary of doom eternal.

March 20, 2024

[granite elk]

Doom Eternal is now 4 years old

[inland kite]

man

[austere bronze]

Generally yes

[austere bronze]

Nah, now that you mention it it does feel kinda nice

[slow sigil]

Expect no word, then you won't be disappointed if it doesn't happen

[empty basin]

maybe tomorrow because of timezones or something

wouldn't expect too much though

[jaunty shard]

Let's say at this chat "Happy Birthday DOOM Eternal!"

[low oar]

Hello, I understand that you are very well versed in the Doom eternal lore, can you tell me if there is any additional information about wraiths? For example, any statements by Hugo Martin and so on. Thank you in advance for your response.

[slow sigil]

Iirc not really anything past what's said ingame, and if the devs did it gotta be taken with some salt as it's not ingame lore

[low oar]

Yes, I understand this, I just decided to find out if there is information from the developers, even if it is not entirely official. I like to read different theories of people who are interested in lore, that’s why I asked people if they had any additional information) In Russia we don’t have a lot of knowledge about lore, but I’m interested in everything)

[slow sigil]

I mean, just read the codex entries and play eternal
That's basically all the lore

[lyric isle]

Fair

[lyric lodge]

Gais how tu not dai

I cant stop dying even on the first level of fucking hoe on un

[azure oriole]

Hugo Martin said that he was inspired by Lovecraftian horror like Quake when designing and implementing the Elemental Wraiths. That's about all he has said about it.
No problem, man.

[azure oriole]

No let health go 0. Hop this halps 😁

[lyric lodge]

shi brah toonk soy mac 😁😁

[young mango]

maybe be more specific if you can, what in specific causes most of your deaths?

[lyric lodge]

Honestly, its hard to be consistent in calmness. I just seem to get stressed out alot and i rarely ever get good days where im 'locked in'. I run around dashing doing combos but i always still seem to take massive damage and die

[azure oriole]

it's better to somewhat train, kinda like in zombies, that's my usual strat.

also, use meds more efficiently, like at 15 or 20 health.

[azure oriole]

I don't really agree with this. You can run a route around the arena, but "training" as it is seen in zombies would not be very effective imo.

[azure oriole]

true, my point is, to keep moving in a circular motion.

[lyric lodge]

i dont really think running around for meds is much of a good strat, i mean it kind of breaks the flow of movement

[young mango]

well from what I’ve learned, being good at restacking is just as important as actually not getting hit often, you might just want to abuse flaming hook as much as possible and cheese it’s unlock to be as soon as possible, before that I guess restockings harder, also don’t feel the need to stop yourself from using your equipment, if the opportunity arises do not hold out on it

[lyric lodge]

Is getting into the habit of flaming heavy demons good? My fear of waste kind of resists me from using it on them

[young mango]

if it’s a group of heavy demons, yea, im pretty sure after the “heavy demons on fire for longer” perk or whatever it’s called, they just drop what they’d drop upon death but in in increments, if they’re in a group I don’t see the harm in it

[lyric lodge]

alright, restacking's fine, but are there any general tips to avoid getting mauled by fodders?

[young mango]

also the sentinel crystal perk you’ll want to utilize first is loot magnet, nothings worse than having a pool of armor infront of you in UN and still dying because you weren’t in range

[lyric lodge]

real

[young mango]

just be on guard I suppose, you get sticky bombs immediately after the first 3 zombies so I wouldn’t say they’re a big threat

[lyric lodge]

True, but i tend to get caught up with heavy demons and get ganged by gargoyles and imps not to mention when i try to shift focus on them the heavy exterminates me

[young mango]

just gain some distance I suppose

[lyric lodge]

When encounters start, best to focus on fodders first or heavies?

[young mango]

maybe knock a few fodder out of the way to focus on the heavy but don’t take all of them out idk

I feel like it matters less and less the later in the game you go on

[young mango]

yes

[stark fox]

I have a question in the statements saying “unknown dimensions” and such across the different codex and lore stuff for Doom Eternal is it saying Higher Dimensional or is it just using dimension equalvant to just another universe

[austere bronze]

Try to fly around with your meathook and mayne ballista boosting if you ever need it

[stark fox]

Like the 3 dimensions we mostly take up is X,Y,Z and there is the fourth we somewhat explore with Time. Is it saying that these alternate dimensions are above Those four or just saying alternate universes?

[timid violet]

Yk, i feel much more comfortable with classic weapon pose

[lyric lodge]

What bout the earlier levels 😭🙏

[timid violet]

Started another UN run after my last failed attempt with a different control scheme and i breezed through HoE and Exulta so fast i had to check afterwards to make sure it was UN

[lyric lodge]

I heard it makes lock on slower somehow

[timid violet]

Don't think I've tried lock on with Classic pose yet, but im on cultist base so we'll see

[austere bronze]

Bunny hopping and dodging enemys attacks

[timid violet]

It's at least made my stickies more consistent

Probably cause the angle is actually better for it then holding the gun to the side

[unreal flare]

I'm a complete sucker for classic weapon pose but that's because I love Classic Doom. There aren't a lot of games where weapons are in the middle of the screen so whenever I look at it I'm like "yeah, that's Doom". It contributes to the game's identity imho

[timid violet]

I don't mind either pose but for some reason i just felt... whats the word. More consistent overall with my shots

Then again I've played HoE and Exulta so many times at this point I've basically got them memorized

[lyric lodge]

Well i felt better after having O as jump instead of X or some L2 shi

[lyric lodge]

i still somehow die in the last encounter with the arachnotron. Should probably snipe it before going to the platform

[timid violet]

My scheme is essentially
L1 as melee
R3 for dash
L3 to swap nades
Rest is normal

[lyric lodge]

I got L3 as dash R3 for ballista

[acoustic lark]

L2 to jump is so good
Thats what i always did (if it was available) when i played games on console

[lyric lodge]

I have like 3 weapon binds for important weapons like pb, rocket and ballista

[timid violet]

Im used to jumping with X so i just made it easier for my nades

Left on my Dpad is SSG

[lyric lodge]

And since i use a custom weapon wheel some weapons wouldnt be able to be seen so i put those on keybinds like ballista and pb

[lyric lodge]

Kinda, but the trigger button felt weird and seeing muricaneagle made me think of O as jump

Honestly so comfortable with it claw grip is my go to now

[timid violet]

I can't claw grip to save my life, i just have my index and middle finger on R1 and R2

Makes plinking a bit easier

[lyric lodge]

Honestly, you dont have to always place your index on the buttons. Place them on r1 at all times and then only use the claw when needed. Its easier to get into and also allows you to input actions without risking your camera speed

[azure oriole]

you guys, idk if I should wear sentinel or ivory skin :<

[lyric lodge]

They're like, entirely different. If you're a doom 2016 suit sucker go for ivory, like the look of sentinel? Go for sentinel

[slow sigil]

you can swap between them from time to time\

[azure oriole]

okay

[leaden dune]

Привет

[faint void]

Priviet

[leaden dune]

Ты русский????

[azure oriole]

i ate food

[azure oriole]

doomdude

[faint void]

No

Ya Kitayets

[acoustic lark]

Please keep it english only here. We cant properly moderate any other languages outside of the international channels.

[leaden dune]

Ок

[snow sand]

Happy birthday

[faint void]

I have a Russian speaker as friend tho

[faint void]

Anyway, welcome Slayer

[tidal cosmos]

Huge

[austere bronze]

damn, slaughter maps arent easy

[young mango]

oh you’re trying some? Which ones?

[austere bronze]

UAC and the world spear

[tidal cosmos]

I'd love to try a slaughter map.

[young mango]

I haven’t tried those ones before, last one I tried was the cultist base one

[azure oriole]

ugh arch-vile is so annOYINGUH

[austere bronze]

do you recommend the cultist base one?

[young mango]

I think it’s fairly balanced yes

[faint void]

Especially when there's more than one

[austere bronze]

the world spear is kinda annoying since it gets harder every wave and ive gotten 6 min in and not beaten it

not sure how many waves tho

[tranquil birch]

do u guys remember when the creator of the cultist base slaughtermap made it so you could only play it via the $5 master level

[young mango]

here’s an semi-old video I did on the cultist base slaughter map https://youtu.be/11qUHD264QA?si=JwCO9gUKi_UHyTBg

[proud sequoia]

it isn't normal seeing no anniversary tweet for doom eternal 4th anniversary

[young mango]

you do know mission select works as well right?

[tranquil birch]

yeah but when the mod first released you could only access it via the ML

[young mango]

wow

why would they do that?

[tranquil birch]

prob so you could play the original level with the mod installed

it has the same energy as that one modder who’d make all their texture mods replace the quakecon 2020 skin

[austere bronze]

that is out of my skill range if there arent any checkpoints, but I'll still give it a try

[young mango]

do you remember the crimson skin was replaced by a familiar red fellow who was possibly an imposter

[young mango]

it has a checkpoint halfway through

it also provides extra lives and there’s maykr drones the entire time

[austere bronze]

the maykr drones I noticed, but the extra lives and checkpoint are literally life savers

[storm field]

ı hate that master level its harder than taras nabad master level

[austere bronze]

its only 3 arenas (I think) but definitely harder than taras nabad ML, but a lot of the modded levels are

dont really remember from when I downloaded it how long it is but so far I havent gotten thorugh the first arena💀

[pseudo remnant]

Happy 4th Anniversary to DOOM Eternal! 🦾🗿

[full wagon]

hopefully we get an update today

[simple swallow]

would be great

[full wagon]

like at noon in 10 minutes

since it wasn’t at 10am eastern

[austere bronze]

would be really fun since it would be the first update that comes out when I'm playing the game

[full wagon]

ah yea? when did you start. nice

[austere bronze]

think I played a little in the beginning of 2023, quit and then came back in like october or november

[storm field]

there should be new master levels

[austere bronze]

that would be insanely fun

[full wagon]

okay it’s noon c’mon cmon

i’m holding onto some hope

[azure oriole]

Same here, Father Allstin!

[cyan frigate]

happy 4th doom eternal 😎👍

[cyan frigate]

would be actually insane 😭👍

[hidden dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/navy-seals-1-gif-2557329638195601285

[wild vector]

its likely it wont happen, i read that the status of the changes on steamdb should be "public" or activity" when its days or a week before releasing an update. the changes are still listed as "id-qa-smoke" or "merge-branch"

there is still some activity the last days and even the last 1-2 hours

[unreal flare]

yeah that's Doomguy before Doom 1993: a navy seal

[azure oriole]

is that a navy seal 🤯

[azure oriole]

violently throws up frie-matter

[hazy forum]

Happy 4th Anniversary DOOM Eternal!!!

[hazy forum]

Flynn Taggart in the DOOM Novels:

[hidden dagger]

что блять

[mental sand]

DOOM eternal is 4 years old 🥳

[fair meteor]

mod support today? :>

[worn terrace]

i dont hitnk anyone knows, just that it is coming at some point

[fair meteor]

today would be a good day for it, for sure

[azure oriole]

Absolutely. It may be 4 years old, but Classic DOOM is 30 years old and we still play the mess out of it! Mods, Wads, the whole lot!

So for Eternal to have something for it’s 4th Year out would be dope.

[fair meteor]

so, are the exclusive slayers club point reward skins just, unobtainable now?

I was only able to get the Zombie Mancubus

[azure oriole]

I’m afraid so. It’s a shame, I wanted Kaiju Archvile and 25th Anniversary Slayer.

[fair meteor]

same

the 25th anniversary skin matches with the other greyscale skins

wasn't there a Zombie Marauder skin too?

would be cool if they were just reintroduced as being rewards for being part of Slayer's Club

[proud sequoia]

No 4th anniversary news yet 🥺

[amber spear]

by any chance does anyone have an extra copy of Doom eternal on steam

[acoustic lark]

No. Buy the game yourself.

[amber spear]

cant

[acoustic lark]

Sucks for you then.

[amber spear]

type shi

[rose thistle]

Isn't it on sale?

[empty basin]

yeah it's on a massive sale right now

https://store.steampowered.com/app/782330/DOOM_Eternal/
It's one of the best times to buy it

Steam

DOOM Eternal

Hell’s armies have invaded Earth. Become the Slayer in an epic single-player campaign to conquer demons across dimensions and stop the final destruction of humanity.The Only Thing they Fear... Is You.Experience the ultimate combination of speed and power in DOOM Eternal - the next leap in push-forward, first-person combat.Slayer Threat Level At ...

Price

$9.99

Recommendations

162768

Metacritic

88

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The standard edition only costs 10 bucks and deluxe edition only costs 18 bucks

[rose thistle]

Really no 4th anniversary news?? Not even a tweet?

[amber spear]

yeah that’s why i was asking

since the sale

[full wagon]

usually anniversary tweet happens at 10am

[rose thistle]

Ig the rumours about mod support were just that, then

[full wagon]

never know

[random vault]

bros fiending

[worn terrace]

They did update the steam shit with a mod exe. So it isn’t a rumor. But it might be a sick joke from Id

[azure oriole]

isnt he a Marine?

also can someone explain why does some of the sentinel suit have some similarities to the Marauder gear?

[unreal flare]

Before Doom 1993? idk lmao

[novel token]

That's not true lol

[azure oriole]

someone please tell me why one of the armor sets in the fortress of doom looks similar to the marauder armor

get an image of both sets and compare them

[azure oriole]

Marauders are Sentinels.

yeah only different thing is the pouches, helmet and the shell carriers

and i got the 2 other suits in the fortress

Specifically Marauders are undead Sentinels who, in the Slayer's time with the Argenta, were Loyalists in the Civil War, who swore loyalty to the Khan even in spite of the Maykrs' atrocities.

In Eternal the Khan has resurrected them to fight you.

they weak as hell, i beat one on ultra violence first try super shotgun only

[onyx night]

Can someone help me? I'm having issues on battlemode

[azure oriole]

i sometimes chat th wrong words

kinda cool how they let the player get the 2016 armor and the 1993 suit

[quiet thorn]

holy crap 10 bucks? dang

[quiet thorn]

18 BUCKS

if my friend had a pc he'd def buy eternal rn

[quiet thorn]

https://discord.com/channels/162891400684371968/760261850394001479

[quiet thorn]

yeah he's a marine

[azure forum]

Just post what the issue is and maybe someone will help you

[knotty bane]

That modportal.exe better not have been an early april fools smh

[rose thistle]

wow my game just crashed in the weirdest way

idek how to describe it, like

i died, game stopped responding, couldn't move the cursor or restart
tried alt tab, broken. alt f4 didn't work, ctr alt delete didn't respond
my base cursor appeared over the game, then it got really weird and like
I started hearing this, booping sound playing a bunch, and my mouse was just kinda laggily moving in whatever direction was last input

i started holding the power button for a hard restart but then the ctrl alt delete menu finally loaded and I was able to shoot the game with task manager

...what the hell?

[empty basin]

I think your graphics card got timed out?

or some other component

[rose thistle]

this is probably the weirdest crash I have ever experienced
like I've had games crash really hard before but this one was just strange
I wasn't unconvinced I hadn't downloaded a virus or something like what the hell

[quiet thorn]

weird

[quiet thorn]

probably what happened, unless it was something else

[rose thistle]

so true

[acoustic lark]

@young mango u think you could guide me through downloading a older version of eternal?
Already got depot downloader, but eternal has so much stuff >.>

[young mango]

yea sure man, dm me cuz i might have to send a link at some point

[worn terrace]

apparantly it is

[rose thistle]

dude I have a ton of milestones for TAG 1 and 2 that are just "???"
there's so many of them and I've beaten both so it can't be story stuff
what's the deal lol

[young mango]

i think some of those milestones are basically just beating the individual levels on nightmare

[rose thistle]

Oh damb

Weird that they're hidden but alright
I can do that
Eventually

[manic pebble]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/s/dPsU6OulXl

Happy 4th anniversary!

[azure oriole]

Love that vid!

[onyx onyx]

I have the Marauders

From doom eternal

I'm fighting one rn and I want to smash my tv

[tough reef]

Keep a medium distance from him, wait till he flashes green, and then hit him with a strong weapon like the Super Shotgun, Ballista or PB

[onyx onyx]

I know that I hate the damage and the wolves and how fast they are

[azure oriole]

The marauders wolves only spawn if you shoot his shield, so keep that in mind when fighting him. You can quick swap after shooting him when his eyes flash green and get at least 3 hits on him. I'm pretty sure grenades from your equipment launcher also damage him (someone correct me if I'm wrong on that.)

[onyx onyx]

Thanks

[tame topaz]

it is still happening. the update dropping today was just a pipedream, though the radio silence from ID is odd.

update or not, you'd think they'd relent lol

[full wagon]

i’m holding out hope

[jaunty wigeon]

iirc when the ram or cpu is overloaded it does this

it's like interpreting mouse data as sound data or something i don't remember exactly what

this happened a lot more frequently in old versions of windows

[rose thistle]

That's wild

Some kind of memory leak then, maybe?

[jaunty wigeon]

https://youtu.be/4ti3rxut3I0?t=352 sounded like this right?

[rose thistle]

hmm no not quite, it was more a consistent booping than a beep followed by... crunchiness

[onyx onyx]

If doom and Master Chief got in the fight who'd you think would win

[azure oriole]

Barbie from Barbie: Horse Adventures 2

[inland kite]

i know a good tip for dealing with pinkies if you dont have blood punch

step 1: just get a chaingun energy shield mod and buy the upgrade where it falters/damages heavy demons
step 2. keep dashing into the pinky until it staggers or dies

you can also bully and harass the shit out of whiplashes with this one too

[cyan sorrel]

https://youtu.be/4566FrQWbQs?si=IXeRlZs5-gsYIf2W
I did it fricking rng spawning whiplash and dread knight 2nd phase

Almost die

[inland kite]

is being level 200 and still not completing nightmare a reason to be ashamed of

like the fucking loser i am

[tall root]

i don't mind the marauder but definitely hated it during the super gore nest master level especially when there was two of them on the acid floor

[inland kite]

i died on that part 5 times

i was worrying more about the acid than the marauders

[tall root]

i think i died more because i did it on classic mode

[storm field]

Taras nabad ML circle arena is more annoying than SGN

[azure oriole]

Niceeee congrats! Watching your gameplay it was pretty good, I think you have decent movement and mechanics it seemed like you mostly got flustered in the heat of the last fight on UN. You seemed like you had a strategy and flow in the first arena and then panic and nervousness started to take over a bit in the second arena, or at least it seemed so from watching it. It was a good fight nevertheless though, and congrats on beating it! Onto the next challenge....

[cyan sorrel]

Yes I got panic a lot lol

[azure oriole]

No. Play the game on whatever difficulty you have fun with. You can do nightmare whenever you want, it doesn't matter when you accomplish it, if you choose to ever do it at all.

[tall root]

agreed i had to look up a video of that part and still died and gave up

[cyan sorrel]

Those whiplash spawn scare me … alway hate them

[azure oriole]

Yeah the whiplashes on that arena can be bad. I liked using crucible, ice bomb and lock on burst on them.

I noticed how in your run you never really used the ice bomb, frag grenade, combat shotgun, ballista, or chaingun. Was there a reason for that?

[cyan sorrel]

I felt better use pb rocket for far range

[inland kite]

unpopular opinion: chrono is for noobs and exultia is an ass mission

[cyan sorrel]

I felt abit Less dmg using ssg or ballista

[inland kite]

usually if its a dread knight or mancubus i use pb+ ballista

[tall root]

question what's the one toy you found on complete accident

[inland kite]

but if its a tyrant or archvile meathook blast+ ice bomb+ 2 burst rocket launches

[azure oriole]

I guess that makes sense, but I think the chaingun and ballista both work quite well on the icon, and I just think it kinda seemed like you forgot they existed lol. No offense ofc, just trying to be objective

[cyan sorrel]

Yeah I pb ballista usually vs mob , pb ssg for close range , pb rocket vs far

[azure oriole]

I think your rune choice is yours to make to fit your playstyle, and there's not really any nooby choices, you're just utilizing the resources the game gives you. Also Im fine with the exultia mission, I don't really think there's anything wrong with it.

[cyan sorrel]

I been trying to burst boss even in my nightmare run lol , try learning form those YouTube speed runner

Shot 3 bfg then just focus boss phase 1 that what I learned

[inland kite]

ok actually take back the chrono part but exultia is just generally a boring mission

[cyan sorrel]

Phase 2 just panic cuz first run

[inland kite]

its not poorly designed or anything but its just not fun

hell on earth is better at least

sentinel prime is decent

[azure oriole]

"burst boss?"

[inland kite]

but taras nabad, super gore nest, and arc complex and nekravol is the goat

[crude pier]

im assuming customization isn't cross platform, i have 160 hours on switch with almost all the cosmetics from base game with last and current season cosmetics, i got the game on xbox and found nothing transferred, not even my nightmare save

[cyan sorrel]

Yes icon of sin literally melt in those pro player clip I ve seen

💀

[azure oriole]

I'll agree that those levels are great, absolutely.

[inland kite]

but arc complex hits different and super gore nest in summer is, just something else

just the thought of playing super gore nest on summer

[tall root]

what about mars core because that's one of my favourite

[inland kite]

sounds nice
also btw goated mission as well

[crude pier]

taras nabad was boring tbh for me. i like doom hunter base, arc complex, bfg10k, sentinel prime and urdak

[azure oriole]

I mean sure but those are like speedrunners and you don't really like HAVE to be as good as a speedrunner in your run yk what I mean, you just gotta get the job done efficiently

[inland kite]

doom hunter base is good too but urdak is meh..

[storm field]

Urdak is boring mission ı think

[tall root]

i also like arc complex and doom hunter base

[azure oriole]

You seem to romanticize the thought of super gore nest in the summer a lot, seems like you probably have good memories of specifically that.

[inland kite]

also it it just me or does the pinky's screams sound sad for some reason

[cyan sorrel]

Don’t worry I do practice a lot , mainly got panic cuz that my first ultra nightmare run

[crude pier]

yeah

[azure oriole]

Yeah I get it, I panicked too on my run don't worry. Had a 6 health clutch, probably the fastest my heartrate has ever been while playing a video game lol.

[azure oriole]

I disagree with this, the fight on the right portal side is pretty fun imo, with the barons and everything. And Khan can be slightly stressful sometimes, although I admit she isnt the most fun boss of all time.

[storm field]

The only good arena is second buff totem arena and portal arena

[crude pier]

of all the boss fights she's probably #3

i definitely rank gladiator fight higher

[azure oriole]

Gladiator fight is better yeah I agree. I still find Khan fun tho and I don't really think the boss fight is too boring

[storm field]

I prefer icon of sin

[tall root]

what about the Doom Hunter that's still a good boss

[storm field]

İts easy

[tall root]

i know but still fun to fight

[storm field]

Better than khan maykr

[azure oriole]

Hey I lost a UN run on that fight once 😭

[tall root]

also the music slaps

[crude pier]

it's definitely a cake walk once you redo it in mission select but on anything lower than ultra violence it's somewhat stressful

[storm field]

second phase music is hits hard

[crude pier]

icon of sin is a fun fight but really stressful for me especially since i haven't quite mastered quick switching, and has been complicated by the fact that i have a different controller now going from a switch controller to a xbox elite controller

[azure oriole]

I think icon is the best boss in the game. You'll probably adjust after playing on your desired platform for a while

[cyan sorrel]

It’s really fun fight once you learn quick switching

[crude pier]

Yeah I did just go from switch to xbox

Still not happy about the fact that I'm missing all of my accessories

[azure oriole]

Probably a hard change, switch is pretty different from Xbox and playstation.

As for your accessories, Idrk how that works, sorry.

[crude pier]

It's mainly just the feeling of the controller that's thrown me off

The switch controller was a lot thinner and fit my small hands better, and had nifty little shortcut buttons where my middle finger sat at the back, which I bound to swap weapon mod and swap equipment

[azure oriole]

Yeah that throws me off too, switching controllers always feels weird to me

Those little buttons on the back are a godsend too I love those. Wish my main controller now had them.

[crude pier]

Yes, I want them back, but with a thick controller like this I'm just gonna accidentally hit them and get killed mid UN run

[azure oriole]

Doesn't the Xbox controller have like ultra customization now? Like you can customize the size of the grips and stuff? Idk I don't play on Xbox lol

[crude pier]

Not the Elite series, no

The base ones can just peel apart

My Elite came with the Xbox to begin with, and what's nice about it is the D pad is closer to the stick than usual, and it's more flush so it's easier to just slip my finger off the left stick to hit mod or equipment

Not quite as convenient as the back shortcut buttons but still really nice

[rose thistle]

hmmm
I have my Q button open... I wonder what I should bind there

[azure oriole]

Ahhh my bad then, dpad sounds nice tho

I tried the Xbox one but my controller didn't even have a headphone jack on it so I felt scammed 😭

[crude pier]

Yeah, Elite series has those, but it's in a peculiar spot. They placed it at the bottom, where the wire can get smushed against the player and damage the wire.. did they fully think it through? 🤔

I lost my nice headset because of that without thinking during a several hour session of Doom

[azure oriole]

Most controller have the headphone jack on the bottom I believe, I think the only one Ive seen that doesn't is my friends Xbox 1 controller (his controller has a headphone jack for some reason?)

Rip your headset

[crude pier]

It's strange to have it on the bottom, most players sit the controller on their stomach or lap, where the wire can get bent and potentially damaged. Though top wires can be equally cumbersome

[azure oriole]

I suppose some player could damage it that way yeah, I usually have my arms on my armrests so my controller just kinda floats, I've never had to worry about that really

And more recently I've switched to just using wireless headsets cus they're just so nice tbh

[crude pier]

My Xbox sadly doesn't support my wireless set, because it didn't come with Bluetooth despite being the most expensive Xbox??

[azure oriole]

Same here it's like wth

That's why I said like I felt scammed buying an Xbox 1

My wireless headset works with my playstation, my PC, and i think it even works with my switch, but it doesn't with my Xbox which just feels so like... "Why?"