doom-eternal

[faint void]

That dude is a legend

[lyric lodge]

ZeroMaster yet hes a master at everything

[analog rapids]

[faint void]

Fun fact: Cacodemons have holes in classic Doom

[vale pebble]

he's good at classic

he's very cool actually

[inner moth]

what type of holes

[faint void]

The you-know-what type

[inner moth]

just making sure

[faint void]

Pain Elementals also have similar biological features

Or demonological features

They deleted them in modern Doom games

Sadly

[vale pebble]

some cacodemon more lore I forgot

[inner moth]

ok

[spring panther]

i could remote play eternal on a quest 3

(steam link and xbox cloud gaming work on quest devices)

[austere bronze]

why? they toned down everything from tag1 AND gave you the over powered hammer

[faint void]

Idk prolly cos I have to change my gaming style more

In 1st I used the exact same weapon modes (except for plasma gun) in my first campaign run

But in 2nd I have to change my strategy a lot more

[austere bronze]

it feels like it was so long ago I played tag1 and 2 so I don't remember much, but why did you have to switch it up for tag2 but not 1?

[faint void]

Well 2nd has more new demons that can’t be defeated by simply shooting every kind of ammo

The hammer is great tho for being supplemental and it’s better than Crucible

Btw I think the Summoner ghost in both DLC was just not a good idea

[austere bronze]

the only one that I can think of that is like that is stone imp, but you can either hammer him or PB ballista too

[faint void]

Maybe I’m just not good enough at the game 😦

[uncut creek]

point blank ssg is good for stone imps

[austere bronze]

Oh, didn't know you could ssg stone imps

[faint void]

I don’t really enjoy the Ghost Buster kind of design

[uncut creek]

meathook first for armor

[austere bronze]

Nah, if you got through tag1 you're good enough (:

[uncut creek]

tag 1 is harder

[faint void]

I completed on Hurt Me Plenty

And the two Slayer gates they were hard af

[faint void]

It just take too long to get rid of the ghost

[uncut creek]

the slayer gates are easy in tag 1

[faint void]

Samuel boss fight was badly designed too

[uncut creek]

especially the holt, piece of cake

[faint void]

I’m not sure there were three arch-viles and a ghost buffed marauder

[uncut creek]

cute

[faint void]

[young mango]

2 point blank ssgs on an enemy that literally never stands still to stagger them as opposed to 3 rounds of full auto which is their weakness and getting your ammo back 😍😍

also if your point was armor, their other weakness is literally hammer😢

[uncut creek]

I don't use the hammer

[young mango]

18 bullets and 50 cells just to stagger a single stone imp goes crazy

[strange gale]

yeah no it's not

2 point blank shots (4 shells) to stagger, not even kill

[pseudo thistle]

slower and less efficient than full auto

[young mango]

crazy how many people I’ve seen basically go “oh the enemies weakness? that’s not the optimal strat, THIS is” and then proceeds to give the worst strategy ever

[pseudo thistle]

wish shield bash still killed them, that shit was funny

[young mango]

5.1 🤤

[young mango]

i speedrun TAG2 on 5.1 sadly the optimal route the only stone imps you fight you kill all in one dblade

[uncut creek]

just herd the stone imps together and max d-blade them all

[strange gale]

just do xyz and you win instantly, trust

[ocean gale]

hello

[uncut creek]

howdy

[fast falcon]

Hello

[strange gale]

level 2 dblade kills a stimp but the ai in general and stimps don't really stand still and let you get that kind of lineup for free, so the idea of taking the time to herd them for that purpose seems questionable when you could just fa and move on

and level 3 would be comically wasteful

unless you're pressed for shells for some reason, why not just fa?

[azure oriole]

Eternal getting mod support soon?

Ngl that's gonna make the game much more active and stay alive longer

[young mango]

games already dead “alive longer” is more like “possibly revive”

[austere bronze]

ikr

well no, I use 75 cells and 12 bullets (I try to be very economical with my decisions)

[young mango]

i tried to give you the benefit of the doubt that you were at least using a more ammo conservative option given that ballista ammo is quite valuable

[austere bronze]

I use PB first, but ammo aint really that scarce when you have the hammer

so usually when I have the hammer I just do whatever I feel like as long as I'm not in a really difficult arena

[young mango]

if you use pb first how is it 75 cells and 12 bullets if you’re cycling between them?

[austere bronze]

I was joking when I said that I use 75 cells, ofc you use PB first and then use 18 bullets and 50 cells

anything else is just stupid

[arctic trellis]

just beated game on ultra nightmare gg!

[uncut creek]

ggs well done

[snow sand]

Congrats !

Doing the UN challenges was the most fun part for me in doom eternal

Getting that win after so many tries is so satisfying

[arctic trellis]

exactly i feel like i killed my sleep paralysis demon

[storm field]

I finished main campaign on UN again this is 3rd time

[uncut creek]

beated is not a word

[rose thistle]

Bote

[rose thistle]

https://youtu.be/OlctfLLRigA
Y'all what the hell happens here at about 15:20?
What's this room where he grabs the BFG??

[tame topaz]

doomy turtle mod support

[snow sand]

probably a debug room for the devs

[random vault]

not out yet

[tame topaz]

i know
sadge

[young mango]

🤓

not everything is somebody who’s just incompetent at spelling, people can intentionally use horrible grammar for humor value

[random vault]

neither is k’ but people use it instead of “ok”/“okay”

[cyan sorrel]

I need to go out touch grass finally getting out of cultist base UN after 14 try
Hate that deadpit before getting the super shotgun

[knotty rock]

i found a guy called bean soup. oh my god hes good

[lyric lodge]

You gotta kill the fodders and shoot the exploding mfs at the mancubus

[young mango]

if I had a nickel for doom fans named after food… I’d have way more than 2 nickels!! what the fuck

[knotty rock]

fr

anyone got any tips for un

[young mango]

nope sorry I’ve never beaten it

[knotty rock]

oh

[cyan sorrel]

Yeah i know how to deal with that part cuz I alr beated Nightmare 3 time
Just got panic everytime when ever in UN 💀

[rocky lion]

this game bugged??

this game is spawning NOTHING but fodder demons endlessly

[rose thistle]

hahaha yeah that happens sometimes

[young mango]

probably a loose prowler, or you could be genuinely softlocked

[rose thistle]

just load your last checkpoint probably

[cyan sorrel]

Just Reload checkpoint it can happen

[rose thistle]

loading checkpoint worked for me once at the end of Nekravol
another time I was stuck in fodder purgatory for like a couple minutes at the end of TAG1M1 until it decided to go on

good thing it did because I was in extra lives mode so I couldn't just reload lol

[lyric lodge]

Play the game on nightmare. If you die, reset the mission. I believe this helps you get used to the mission and memorize it's layout

[knotty rock]

alright

[lyric lodge]

If you felt like you did pretty bad, you can also go back to the mission after

[knotty rock]

yea

[young mango]

okay I feel bad now because I was most certainly fucking with you when I said this😭😭

[cyan sorrel]

The hardest part is 3 first lv I didn’t die anymore after beat the doom hunter base ( on my third nightmare run )

[azure oriole]

I did it, thank god. Nightmare Difficulty: Done

[azure oriole]

That’s Ultra Nightmare, and I thought it was the whole campaign you restart? It’s just the mission?

[cyan sorrel]

Whole campaign

[rose thistle]

They mean play nightmare and reset mission if you die for practice

[sour mauve]

Hey is anybody down to join my buddy and I in private match to boost the 200 multiplayer killers?

Searching as slayer just takes ages and demons only getting 3 a match is ridiculous lol

[young mango]

hey wait a minute can you send me a video of his? that guys on my steam friends list but now that I think about it I’ve never really had a convo with him

[fair marsh]

can u play with friends?

[proud sequoia]

any new news on modding/steamdb leak?

[azure oriole]

I hope we can do alot with those support, like change the models and stuff, maybe even a H-eternal

[empty basin]

Not yet, if official news were to come it's most likely gonna be at 20th of March

since that's Doom Eternal's 4th anniversary

[rocky lion]

yo are the comic books in the doom guys room real comics?

in the fortress of doom

[inland kite]

im gonna try to play doom eternalon un

(the pain never ends)

[random vault]

why is this your first idea

[azure oriole]

Nah my first one just doomguy as CJ or anime girl

[random vault]

would do numbers on reddit

add shrek and thomas the tank engine and you got yourself a reddit gold worthy post

[azure oriole]

Waste bunch of times

Bcuz melee literally deal like no damage

[empty basin]

my guy, the melee attack deals one damage and the zombie, the first enemy in the game, has 200 HP 😭

[azure oriole]

Nah he'd win

[random vault]

its impossible also an absolutely stupid waste of time to even try

[azure oriole]

Let him cook

Come back in the next 5 years and let us know

[random vault]

you can win gunless but melee only is impossible

its a waste of time

thats basically the only tip you can give

like, enjoy wasting an hour on just the first room of the game

[inland kite]

imagine if

wait nvm you simply cant beat doom eternal with only melee because you cant hit the icon of sin

and even if it did it would take like 3 hours just to get past the first part

[random vault]

3 hours?

punch deals 1 damage and the things got 45000 health for just phase 1

maybe 3 YEARS of non-stop play, not even including dying and losing progress or the fact you cant realistically hit certain parts

[inland kite]

oh hell nah

[spring panther]

i sometimes just intentionally delay the round just to get more kills in as the slayer

[spring panther]

likely in exchange for the addition of the blood punch

[hollow leaf]

so I'm finally reading the codex and I don't understand why everyone keeps telling doom guy that he's breaking some rules the whole game

like why does novik scold him?

[spring panther]

but removing the point of the stock melee entirely is a bit annoying at times

[storm field]

zombie dies in 100 punchs thats waste of time

[hollow leaf]

what world did doomguy destroy? Khan mayker says he destroyed one

[inland kite]

what about the tyrant💀

[storm field]

ı cant even imagine ☠️

[inland kite]

it takes 100 punches to kill a zoby

so if its a tyrant with 10k health, then thats like 100k punches ☠️

[hollow leaf]

there's so much that makes no sense with the codex. like, Samuel says doomguy is a legend for killing a titan in Taras Nabad but the codex said the sentinels killed tons of them

[random vault]

he killed one solo, and while still human i believe, they killed titans as a combined effort

[hollow leaf]

k i did find that yeah

but why is novik like "don't go against the Khan mayker" and why does the Khan mayker say he destroyed a world before?

[storm field]

Cause king novik said " you can not kill the priests you know our laws despite their transgressions againist the coverment they are still of sentinel blood"

[hollow leaf]

okay. still wondering about the world doomguy destroyed. maybe that's hinting at something before he got to sentinel prime that we just don't see?

it seems implied that he came from a parallel earth from the other games and maybe did some other stuff too

[inland kite]

pentinel srime

[azure oriole]

Senile pride

[inland kite]

segile fime

[storm field]

Bruh

[azure oriole]

Argent D’Nur

[rose thistle]

Doomguy having "destroyed worlds" is referring to him being indirectly responsible for demon invasions

Ie of he'd never showed up with the sentinels they never would have learned of and gone against hell which is what Ultimately ruined them

[azure oriole]

I always thought that, too. Earth of another dimension, the Earth from DOOM II, and after DOOM 64, he landed in an entirely different dimension, one with the existence of Argent D’Nur and a new Earth. As the multiverse is of countless dimensions, Heaven and Hell connects to all of them.

[rose thistle]

I never quite got if Argent Dnur was like a planet in the same world as earth or another dimension itself

[hollow leaf]

isn't Urdak like not a heaven and that's just propaganda made up by the maykrs to get people to fight in hell?

[rose thistle]

I mean it is kinda a heaven

[hollow leaf]

I think argent is another dimension

[azure oriole]

Precisely. He ultimately brought the demons to Argent D’Nur, and what happened after was his fault. “All your strength, all that rage…” and all.

[rose thistle]

Urdak is a utopian dimension created by a god and inhabited by angels

[hollow leaf]

I mean, the Khan Maykr exploiting hell is more what destroyed dnur

[rose thistle]

She never would have learned of it without him
Obviously he's not actually responsible, they're taunting him

"Isn't it really kinda your fault?"

[random vault]

urdak is the doom equivalent of heaven

its the trope “what if heaven was actually bad” except hell is also still bad

heaven is bad, hell is bad, and god is the devil

[rose thistle]

So true

[azure oriole]

I could be dead wrong about everything I said, TBH I haven’t looked at the codex in a minute, but I think it was said that, Urdak was made after Jekkad (Hell), and was a sort of inter dimensional highway.

[rose thistle]

That's part of why I don't like TAG lore, having the "heaven" be just a place that exists opposite of hell was way cooler than like, it being heaven 2 made after heaven 1 but heaven 1 became hell so now this is just heaven and also they were made by the same guy and bla

And the Khan Maykr, our "god" analogue (until they introduce the father and start the screwing of everything up) as the big bad is way more interesting than "actually it was the DEVIL pulling the strings! (Also the devil is evil you (and god))"

Ugh
Gdi id

[uneven vine]

"but thats just a theory..."

[random vault]

no your the good him

he doesnt look like you, you look like him

[rose thistle]

Oh my god deadass
TAG feels more like some crazy matpat fanfic that sucks if you think about it for more than a second than an actual story continuation

[uneven vine]

fr

[random vault]

ngl i kinda i like complicated nonsense then just generic “heaven is actually bad!” plot imo

[rose thistle]

The story was so good up to Urdak 😭

[rose thistle]

They totally could have gone a little into their history and a shared creation without like
Making it suck

[hollow leaf]

The truth could not be denied; the unholy spires raised in the Barren Lands functioned by blessing of Maykr machinery. The Khan had betrayed Argent D'Nur, and had made concert with the demons to harvest their Essence, in return granting them access to all worlds under her influence. A symbiotic relationship had formed and darkness now had been balanced by a light, for where there was Heaven, so there would be Hell. The followers would be granted passage to Urdak, and the sinners would fall into the fiery pits of the Dark Realm. This word would be spread from all cultures in all worlds and in all places. We were not without blame, for it was our people, the Priests and Sentinel engineers, who'd laid the work in place. Argenta's slaves had built the dark factories, and our own ancient Wraith-energy helped purify Hell's Elixir into the miracle fuel that now powered the Maykr's world and our own.

Maybe reading too much into it but seems to make it seem like Urdak being heaven is not quite accurate. But Urdak entry talking about the father is interesting

like, The Father created Urdak, doesn't say he created everything else.

and the wraiths created the sentinel people

[uneven vine]

davoth created everything, right?

[rose thistle]

Also like, something I liked was the Maykrs weren't just like... bad. They weren't unambiguously benevolent but they weren't just evil either. They were really powerful and were willing to work with others for their own gain, but they were like, chill, mostly.
They were a people.
The Khan got corrupted by the influence of hell, that was cool.

[random vault]

“a balance of LIGHT and darkness”

“where there is HEAVEN theres also hell”

“the faithful go to urdak and the sinners go to hell”

it seems on the nose that urdak is dooms heaven

[rose thistle]

As of TAG2 yes

[rose thistle]

It's a heaven analogue. But it's not just like, the biblical heaven
Hell isn't just the biblical or classical hell either but it is a whole lot closer

But like it is the closest thing to a heaven

[random vault]

cuz davoth created everything, hes actually “god”

the father is like a poser god

[rose thistle]

It is a funny reversal

It's like if Lucifer succeeded in overthrowing God but God was actually evil and Lucifer was actually pretty chill

[hollow leaf]

the language used implies that that is the idea the Khan Mayker wants people to believe, not that it's the truth

[random vault]

they might not be “bad” in the “its just a society trying to survive with a corrupt leader” but theyre objectively bad in a human sense because they killed everyone

[hollow leaf]

maykers be doing bene geserit shit

[rose thistle]

Oh yeah for sure
But like I thought it was cool they weren't just, straight up evil yk
Compared to the demons

[random vault]

like polio isnt “bad”, its just a virus doing its thing

but im still gunna vaccinate and kill it because i dont wanna be a cripple

[random vault]

obviously not, nothing in doom is bible whatever

the heaven and hell are generic, dark realm is hell and urdak heaven, heaven and hell aren’t christian exclusive

[rose thistle]

Tbh the way hell works isn't exactly clear
Like... do people go there when they die? Or, do they have to get taken there or killed in some specific way or..?
Is there an immortal "soul" or are the souls we work with more of an energy?
There's stuff kinda pointing in both directions but

Gdi it was so much better when they didn't try to explain it all
Doom is campy as shit just give us some vague details that sound cool and move on

No one was ever analyzing the lore of the arch-demon lords in classic doom intermission text or whatever they were just like "yeah that sounds about right"

[random vault]

demons are literally soulless they probably dont even know what good and evil are

they are just straight up creatures

[rose thistle]

But you try and put too much order into it all and it falls apart because it brings up too many questions you can't answer

[random vault]

its not that you couldn’t answer they just didnt make up enough stuff to explain them

the lore is too thin

[hollow leaf]

some of these mastery challenges are BS

kill 15 pinkies with full auto shitty
bruh there's like 15 pinkies in the whole game

[empty basin]

yeah the Full Auto challenge is a pain

[hollow leaf]

also that challenge to glory kill pinkies 3 different ways. I have never managed to glory kill a single pinky

[empty basin]

It's not like their frontal armor take extra damage from Full Auto either, you still gotta get behind them

[rose thistle]

"Hell gets its energy from the souls of the damned" 👍 ok good
"So they like have a factory and they have to choose viable souls where they're tortured and then extracted and they dump the bodies out and they become demons over time and" 👎shut the fuck up!!!

[hollow leaf]

also there's like 5 pinkies in this whole mission

[rose thistle]

If you make too much shit up it just gets overly dense and you're dealing with like Warhammer now instead of the funny demon shooter where the guy is mad they killed his rabbit and rips them apart with his bare hands
(Idk anything about Warhammer)

2016 had the perfect amount of lore
You've got like, the slayer who's the ultimate badass and the demons of hell are terrified of him
Vague hints to organizational structures and hierarchies in hell but nothing's too specific for you to actually think about so you just go "yeah that sounds cool"
Basic plot that works (UAC is using unethical hell energy to make power and also a cult kinda started which led to the invasion and shit)
The plot is like, coherent and makes sense without any gaping holes

[random vault]

fun fact: clicking on your file and going on mission select and killing pinkies in, oh idk, super gore nest right after the first encounter where you are checkpointed right before fighting a pinkie, and killing the pinkie then reloading your checkpoint until you’ve done it 15 times will completely it and count it for your normal main campaign

[rose thistle]

I maintain that Eternal wss doing just fine right up until Urdak, though maybe the slipping began in Nekroval
That's when they started getting too big for their own good, getting carried away with crazy plot twists and retcons and bringing in stuff they couldn't explain properly

[random vault]

but, that makes sense?

is your point just a lore being deep or interesting is bad

[rose thistle]

For some reason the story just kinda totally switches gears and goes back on everything it had been building up until that point and like
It all sucks

[hollow leaf]

icon of sin fight blows

[rose thistle]

Eh I thought it was alright

[hollow leaf]

idk what it really had going for it aside from doom slayer doing funny stuff

[uneven vine]

i liked the davoth fight

[hollow leaf]

anyways I'm arguing that doom mastery's are meant to be done with cheat codes on level replays cuz some just suck

[random vault]

big marauder that heals

[uneven vine]

imo just do the easy mastery challenges then use the tokens for the rest

[random vault]

using cheat codes is lame also they literally give you an item called a mastery token specifically to not have to do masteries

[hollow leaf]

I'm too sleepy to play normally so I'm fucking around doing masteries with cheats

I think that's fair

[rose thistle]

It wasn't the best example I'll admit, just what came to mind
I have nothing against deep lore, but the issue with it here is you try and explain stuff too deeply and you run into the problem that now you have to explain other stuff, and now you have the issue that a bunch of it doesn't fit together because it doom lore was never meant to be explained with such detail
It was meant for you to look at, think "that's cool" and move on as you blow up bad guys
It falls apart if you think about it too hard

Also Masteries aren't that bad, I got them all my first playthrough with a token to spare
Some could definitely be less grindy tho

[random vault]

ok, i was saying if your just playing normally, cheesing challenges with cheat codes defeats the point of it being a challenge

[hollow leaf]

I think cheesing is fine if it bypasses something you don't want to do

[young mango]

the lore in game isn’t too bad but Hugo spreading a bunch of conflicting information that heavily opposed the in game information definitely stirred up some confusion, Hugo talking a bunch of nonsense on livestream is why everybody thinks doomguy is an unstoppable god

[random vault]

i got all masteries without spending any tokens they arent really that bad

[random vault]

except for the fact they literally give you an item specifically for that purpose

[young mango]

the team that writes this stuff can’t even decide what they want it to be, they changed the subtitles for the Urdak cutscene when you beat the cutscene to be “the dark lord” in 5.0 instead of “mysterious voice” and then they quickly reverted it

[uneven vine]

in TAG 2 i used the infinite lives cheat code and the support rune that lets you kill the demon that killed you to get the life back and i got like 40 lives in 10 minutes lol

[random vault]

thats like playing minecraft and googling your seed to find a woodland mansion when the game has an item specifically for finding mansions

[rose thistle]

Play how you want
But also like
Dude come on right?

[uneven vine]

i was doing it on a second playthrough, i beat it legit the first time

[random vault]

personally i think hugos best quote is:

"Um, so... you know you gotta learn to build and shoot in Fortnite." - Hugo Martin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/968124601093738546/1047981985185935370/fee2e54547354ebdad38aa22813299d3_172729560_476581503691050_7499758424445520651_n.mp4

[wheat vigil]

wtf it works like that? Now that's actually pretty funny

[uneven vine]

ikr lol

[hollow leaf]

again I'm just too sleepy to play normally so I'm just running through and kinda doing masteries while collecting forgotten pickups

most of it was actually just using shotgun full auto in the face cuz the haptics on PS5 are dank

damn if I had spent weapon monies on the shotty grenade move I would have gotten that mastery

[hollow leaf]

oh I forgot I did all the slayer gates so I can now use the worst weapon in the game

[azure oriole]

I do wish the Unmaykr was stronger, maybe like 35% stronger considering the BFG truly is a “get outta jail free card”, and the Unmaykr is a rapid-fire weapon to concentrate the synthetic Argent.

[young mango]

they flat out give some enemies immunity towards the unmaykr they’re going out of their way to make it obsolete

[azure oriole]

Which enemies?

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/TUOBhmP3HIg?si=Br5tLauJPiqvf-0Z

not only is the armored barons armor weak towards BFG but his armor is resistant towards unmaykr, he did the equivalent of 60,000 damage, that’s about 38 super shotgun shots or 23 rounds of lock on burst, both which will easily break the armor before that threshold

[glossy warren]

It pains me to watch that

[azure oriole]

I mean, it is an Armored Baron, their armor is to give them a strong layer of protection. It takes quite some bullets for Heavy Cannon and Chaingun to break down the armor.

[young mango]

this message tho

[azure oriole]

That’s why I love breaking the armor first, then letting them eat aaaaall the Unmaykr shots, along with everything else I throw in. It may not be the most effective weapon, I will admit, but it’s really fun to use!

[young mango]

the funny part is is basically for 60% of the ammo not only could you wear down his armor but also kill him if you got enough distance on the tendril or just hit in directly with a bit of travel

they really went out of their way to make unmaykr as useless as possible

[glossy warren]

Fr

[young mango]

like at a certain point you cannot defend it, they didn’t even TRY to make it work, they went out of their way to give enemies resistances towards it even lol

[empty basin]

They also gave it negative damage scaling against bosses and other enemies

The Unmaykr only deals the percentage of damage it's supposed to against these enemies

Marauder: 44%
Gladiator: 66%
Khan Maykr & Samur Maykr: 50%
Icon of Sin: 33%
Samur Maykr: 15% (Yeah for some reason they inputted Samuel twice)
Dark Lord: 30%

[young mango]

Are you telling me that after seeing how bad the unmaykr is they actually not only gave enemies resistances but decided to literally make a DLC enemy that has BFG as a weakness cough cough bloodmaykr, when they definitely didn’t treat the base Arsenal like this, going out of their way to make enemies that heavily incentivize underutilized mods in the DLC only to not do it with unmaykr

[empty basin]

Yeah I think whoever handles the damage values has a vendetta against whoever came up with the Unmaykr lol

Like it'd make more sense for the Blood Maykr shields to be disabled from Unmaykr shots instead of the BFG

It's literally the name, "Unmaykr"

[young mango]

fun fact that means the unmaykr damage scaling is so low it’s literally weaker than mobile turret

( for the icon )

[empty basin]

I honestly have no idea why they went out of their way to make these damage scaling values other than if the team has conflicting views

Maybe I'll make an Unmaykr mod sometime in the future, I just made one for Mobile Turret recently and the reception seems to be really positive
https://www.nexusmods.com/doometernal/mods/1481

Though there's already a number of other mods that buffs the Unmaykr

[young mango]

that’s odd, I’m not sure the gladiators resistance towards unmaykr exists on patches below 2.0

[empty basin]

idk the values are still there as I posted on #screenshots

[hybrid helm]

cant rocket punch swap need help

[empty basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvpSxBpcPb0
Follow this guide

Basically, don't hold down M1, but also watch the vid for more details

[rose thistle]

I'd be hella down to see some weapon balance mods

one idea I have for the Unmakyr is to adjust the ammo consumption indirectly. like make a cell pickup give 50 ammo and raise the cap to 100, but make the BFG take 50 as well
keeps the rest the same but you get more Unmaykr shots now

how much work is it to make mods like this?

[empty basin]

The issue with the Unmaykr is that it's an automatic firing weapon, and in Doom Eternal those needs incentives and feedback in order to be actually useful

[rose thistle]

I'm not good enough at the game yet to understand what this means

[empty basin]

For example, the Full Auto Shotgun gives back shells as feedback, the Heavy Cannon's Micro Missiles' mastery gives more damage if you kill an enemy with the primary fire first, the Plasma Rifle has Heat Blast which is more damage for free, etc

This was the issue with Mobile Turret, there's no reason to use it other than DAKKA for the sake of it, it doesn't have good damage nor does it give anything

So I gave it more damage, and armor drops on kill as the new mastery alongside a bunch of other stuffs

[rose thistle]

is just shredding anything it touches not incentive enough?

[empty basin]

I mean in the case of the Unmaykr, why not just use the BFG?

[rose thistle]

what is DAKKA

[empty basin]

It's an expression of firing an automatic weapon Rambo-style

[empty basin]

That's the thing about balancing, you can't just judge something in a vacuum because other options exist

and in the case of Unmaykr, it has nothing significant enough that incentivizes its use over the BFG

[rose thistle]

hmm, well in Doom 64, the BFG was better for clearing out a big room of enemies but the Unmaker gave you a lot more control over how you used your ammo and complimented its level design where huge rooms of enemies weren't that common compared to tight corridors

[hybrid helm]

thank you habibi i kiss you

[rose thistle]

ig we can't really change the level design though...

and we probably don't want to nerf the BFG

[empty basin]

Yes and the thing is how relevant is that in practice when it comes to Doom Eternal? I can see that you're trying to apply the same concept here but other weapons, even if we discount the BFG, just outclasses the Unmaykr in terms of damage efficiency

[rose thistle]

I think a basic idea is to just, make it do more damage against a single target, right? Like you use the BFG to clear out a big room of fuckers but you'll do better to use the Unmaykr against like one superheavy guy

[rose thistle]

well it was more a "laying out things to look back to and think about" thing than a "here's the solution" one

oh shit here's a crazy idea
what if the Unmaykr dropped argent cells when you killed shit with it?
not like, a ton. A small chance of a few. But that also boosts its... you know, yeah

though such an asset probably doesn't exist in the game, you'd need to make one yourself
for like a regular ammo drop that gives you 5 argent cells or whatever

[empty basin]

I'm not too sure in the first place if I'm ever gonna make this mod anyways since I never use the super weapons

[rose thistle]

the unmaykr is so cool i wish it was real

[empty basin]

I made ones for Microwave Beam and Mobile Turret since I do actually use them

[azure oriole]

does anyone play doom eternal on switch

[rose thistle]

oh hey there is one good use for it in the game actually
there's a milestone for killing a single zombie and nothing more with a BFG shot
but you can get it with the Unmakyr too

I got it on accident lol

[rose thistle]

do am be curious about this doe

[empty basin]

There's a wiki dedicated for documentation on how to create mods
https://wiki.eternalmods.com/
Making mods for Eternal is relatively simple usually, since the game mostly relies on "declarations" and mods usually just change values that already exists.

[rose thistle]

holy shit you made the mobile turret give a lot of armmor huh

[empty basin]

armor*

[rose thistle]

uhh yeah that's what i said

50 for a superheavy kill, damb
that's a full security armour

[empty basin]

I mean when most enemies' heavy attacks in this game deals like 90 damage or so, it's not actually that much lol

But yes it does sound like a lot at first, but in practice it's actually pretty balanced as far as I can tell

[rose thistle]

yeah good point, like flame belch itself just showers you in armour if you hit it right

[strange gale]

the dps increase + the armor seems a little too strong

[empty basin]

Counterpoint: Energy Shield's existence

But yes it does sound kind of too strong on paper, but in practice if you just use it liberally you'd run out of ammo in 4 seconds

So you still gotta play Doom Eternal the way it's supposed to, i.e. using various weapons and quickswitching

[strange gale]

the ammo cost isn't exactly relevant in tag2 though

[empty basin]

In this video I tried using the weapon mod often as a showcase, and in a lot of instance I ran out of ammo quick even though I had the Hammer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STV_q1m8sQ0

It's especially apparent in the Tower Siege Encounter which has a ton of demons

Ultimately what I really wanted to avoid was to place the weapon mod in this limbo state of "Ok it's better now, but why would I bother using it still?", which I find to be a common thing amongst weapon rebalance mods

I think I hit a really nice spot between "Whoa this is really good and fun now" and "Energy Shield is still better though"

[strange gale]

i don't think i'd use this for the damage even though it does 3750 dps to the thing in front of you and 2812 to the thing behind it

good quickswap execution is still stronger overall

the guaranteed armor on every fodder kill is the real strong point

[empty basin]

Yeah my main objective was to just get the thing out of the way where using Mobile Turret instead of the Energy Shield just means that you're gimping yourself for the sake of it

And like you said yeah quickswapping combos are still stronger, which is exactly where I wanted the Mobile Turret to be

Which is having a really strong singular DPS, but still losing to "playing the game the way it should be"

[slow sigil]

I don't think it's really possible to have MT ever really be truelly decent. It's design clashes too much with how the devs wanted you to play

[rose thistle]

I used mobile turret against davoth because the tutorials video did :)

[empty basin]

I mean.. I did with my mod above ¯_(ツ)_/¯

At least I think so anyways

[slow sigil]

i don't think it's still really decent, but def usable

[empty basin]

Killing a baron in just under two seconds isn't decent enough?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz06McoVFwk

[slow sigil]

Doesn't that make it stromger then swaps, bar ammo consumption

[lyric lodge]

Yeah, but just reset mission on normal nightmate for practice

[hollow leaf]

jeez does mobile turret even have 5 seconds of ammo?

[empty basin]

With the mod it runs out in around 4 seconds yeah, lol

which is intentional

[hollow leaf]

I mean in vanilla

[empty basin]

Oh on vanilla you can keep firing for around 7-8 seconds I think?

[silk zodiac]

if i had to say whats the best thing that doom eternal has its their history

[slow sigil]

that's pretty weak ngl

[silk zodiac]

well its my opinion though

its one of the things that makes me keep playing
aside killing demons, though

[slow sigil]

history as in, the past doomgames or doom's lore

[lyric lodge]

Holy shit man pb rocket changed me

saved me so many times in cultist base 😭⁉️

[empty basin]

lmao congrats

[lyric lodge]

that was just nightmare practice tho

i'd die on un ⁉️🥶💯

[simple hatch]

The lore is so good tho

[slow sigil]

Ehhhh if you ignore tag2 barely

[simple hatch]

Avengers endgame ahh DLC

Other then that scene and the dark lord boss fight , I think it was pretty decent

Not as good as tag1 but still decent

[simple hatch]

The original doom is the grandfather of all fps games

So calling it anything other than the GOAT is an understatement

[slow sigil]

That game has no bearing on eternal's quality however

[simple hatch]

Yes but we have to understand that it was a game made back in the 70s-80s if I'm not mistaken

So you can't expect it to have features similar to a 2020 game

[slow sigil]

I didn't say i did?

Just that the OG games have not a single impact of eternal's quality

[simple hatch]

Then sorry I must have misunderstood u

[slow sigil]

Well, you get what i mean. When playing there is no impact. With developing there is ifc

[simple hatch]

You mean that eternal wasn't influenced by the style of the originals?

[slow sigil]

🤦‍♀️

[simple hatch]

Don't judge, I just woke up 😔

Lol

[lyric lodge]

Okay so in my nightmare practice i did very much get my own personal record for myself on the doom hunter kill, went crazy fast. But i still died. Any tips for un on this section?

[azure oriole]

Lol

Ayyy, what’s good, Slayers? It’s 5:24 AM my time. Same for you guys?

[inner pivot]

Nope, 13:24 here

[azure oriole]

Oh, nice!

[inner pivot]

Or 1:24 PM if i am correct

[azure oriole]

Yep!

[inner pivot]

Never really used PM or AM

[azure oriole]

It’s TAG 2’s 3rd birthday!

[young mango]

this might sound silly but if your main goal is to play it safe you could always lay a frag grenade down and blood punch, considering pretty much every arena has infinitely respawning fodder this shouldn’t be an issue to restock on, I think on your unupgraded blood punch it’s about 3200 damage when scaled to the doom hunter in specific, which is equivalent to about two point blank super shotguns, you should try it out

[azure oriole]

At this point, who really does?

[inner pivot]

True

[random vault]

lots of people

[young mango]

I am certain this damage scaling only applies to the sled however, so when he initiates his second phase just spam lock on or smthn, also don’t forget that the bosses in specific have iframes on current patch for some reason, so give it about 2-3 seconds after their sled breaks to start attacking them again or you’d be wasting ammo

[autumn void]

bro i beat the game on nightmare ima go to the hospital now cuz im dyin

[lyric lodge]

Yeah, ive been doing that with a pb rocket combo. After seeing mmafro tho, i might switch to pb ssg instead. I mean, i took quite some dmg from pb rocket in the second phase against the hunter infront of you at spawn

[lyric lodge]

Now beat it on un

[young mango]

yea pb ssg is a pretty solid strat in terms of dps, most out of any combo that doesn’t involve punchswapping or BATS. although I’d only advise you use it if you know there’s no risk involved, the damage fall off can be ridiculous sometimes, I’ve had speedruns where I meathook into a prowler and shoot it but somehow despite being almost point blank stagger it instead of kill ( point blank ssg deals 1600, prowler dies at 1000, and staggers at 750, meaning i did anywhere between 750-999 damage, which is 47-62% of the SSGs full damage, which is a bit bad, but might be different since the doom hunters hitbox is bigger, might prevent the fall off from getting too bad, but possibly being able to deal less than a point blank rocket worth of damage with the super shotgun definitely sounds displeasing )

[lyric lodge]

Im the kind of guy to honestly try backing away whilst doing combos on the doom hunter. Might needa face my fears if i wanna execute the pb ssg combo

[thin wagon]

Yo can an asus white laptop with 8 gb ram run doom eternal?

I forgot the other specs and i dont have the laptop on me

It can run titanfall 2 very smoothly and can run war thunder among other games with no issues

That is on the lowest settings

[cyan sorrel]

Need more detail ur graphic card

I think can still run on low fps

But yeah doom eternal is more fun on high fps

[thin wagon]

Yea i know but itll do since im getting a gaming pc in like year or less

[small helm]

I could run it just fine on my 1050 Ti laptop with 8 gbs of ram so if your specs aren't below that you shouldn't experience problems

[lyric lodge]

Yall listen to any music whilst playing de or just listen to the game's

[faint void]

The only thing they fear…… is YOU

Hardcore metal bass line intro

[flat trail]

america

[flat trail]

korn

[uncut marlin]

i know that nobody cares but i beat doom eternal on un

[flat trail]

congrats bro, i felt the same way when i did it aswell but it doesn matter if others care

[uncut marlin]

thank you

i just started a random un run

and that was the one!!

[flat trail]

it took me like 150hrs to get one, first time i got to icon of sin it was one rocket from dyin and i fumbled like the bum i am

[snow sand]

Congrats !

[storm field]

Congrats

[ionic trout]

I have genuinely never felt more badass in life than when I just played the Samuel Hayden level in Eternal.

The Only Thing They Fear is You coming on made me feel unstoppable

||I was very stoppable, I died multiple times||

but it felt damn near euphoric

[faint void]

That’s why it’s a game of fascination

[warm canyon]

can you glory kill a lost soul

[solid radish]

No

[leaden quail]

same

[silk zodiac]

top 2 demons i hate from doom eternal
number 1: macubus
number 2: macubus

they're the most annoying demon i could fight

[young mango]

they lose that factor after like the first few encounters you have with them

[knotty rock]

too late

[young mango]

wat does that even mean

[azure oriole]

they added Caseoh to doom eternal

just quickscope his cannons

[oblique garden]

Hi im new to the game and I would like some advice:

1. Does each Weapon have a purpose or are you just supposed to use what you like?

2. Is there any way to tell how much health a demon has or how close they are to being staggered?

[azure oriole]

i started playing saturday

is Hurt me Plenty a good difficulty for first playthrough?

[oblique garden]

I never played a doom game in my life and I was fine 🙂

You can always change it later tho

[silk zodiac]

ikr, the thing is that he is really annoying

[azure oriole]

for the most part use what you like, but in certain fights different weapins come in handy. Sticky grendes to a cacodemon's mouth instantly stun them, plasma cannon breaks plasma shelds quickest, etc

[azure oriole]

i got cornered by 2 in a hallway 😦

[silk zodiac]

thats why

[oblique garden]

I got that but my question was more like: What's the difference between regular ans super shotgun?

Between Plasma and heavy cannon

[arctic trellis]

let me introduce you the whiplasher

they deal 80 damage + knockback so if 2 whiplash hit u you get 160 damage so you need full armor or full health

" stand proud slayer you're kinda a big deal "

[flat trail]

counter: precision bolt, ez

[azure oriole]

is ancient gods any good

[small helm]

it's great

both soundtrack and gameplay wise

[rose thistle]

Story is ASS though

[rose thistle]

Yeah it's a solid choice, pretty much "normal" mode
You can adjust up and down mid game if you like too

[azure oriole]

Hello, I am new here, and I am a big fan of doom

[austere bronze]

same, although not as new

[azure oriole]

Yeah, I am kinda new to this discord

[austere bronze]

are you new to DOOM too?

[azure oriole]

Well, I started playing doom last year, I believe

[austere bronze]

same actually

what was you first DOOM game?

[azure oriole]

Eternal what about you

[austere bronze]

same

[azure oriole]

Alr

[austere bronze]

I played for 25 hours, quit, came back and now I have over 300 hours in the game

[azure oriole]

Have you beat the game? If so how many times

[austere bronze]

I've beaten the game 3 times

[azure oriole]

I have only beaten it once 💀

I gotta beat it more

[austere bronze]

what difficulty did you play on?

[azure oriole]

Well, it was my first time, so too young to die

What about you?

[austere bronze]

I've beaten it on itytd, hmp and once half uv and half nightmare

[azure oriole]

Fun

[austere bronze]

yeah, after I beat it on nightmare I've just been playing master levels and modded levels

it was a while ago since I played a master level tho since they are too easy for me

[azure oriole]

What is ur fav enemy?

[cyan sorrel]

guys i need help im on UN doom hunter boss fight the boss hp bar didnt appear

[azure oriole]

Thats weird

[cyan sorrel]

checked UI setting its on

[azure oriole]

Hmmmmmm

[austere bronze]

umm idk

[azure oriole]

It could be by looks, in-game mechanics

[austere bronze]

I would say pain elemental or cacodemon cuz they're fun to kill but they are also pretty annoying

[azure oriole]

For me, probably the tyrant for design (I hate them in game) and for in game it is probably the cacodemon, cuz they are fun to kill

I hate a lot of demons in game because they are so annoying

[austere bronze]

yeah, a lot of the different demons you have to learn to dea with the correct way, often there are muktiple correct ways and it just depends on the situation

[azure oriole]

Yeah

[austere bronze]

the pain elemental for example I used to find VERY annoying and hard to deal with but now I just punch swap ballista 3 times and I can glory kill it

[azure oriole]

I will have to try a new difficulty since I now know what to expect

[austere bronze]

yeah, definitely do that

[azure oriole]

I am doing that one mission where you have to do the super gore nest, but it is very hard, and you get like a gold combat shotgun if completed

[austere bronze]

oh yeah, the super gore nest master level

[azure oriole]

Yeah

[austere bronze]

but I think that you only get the gold shotgun if you complete it on all difficultys including ultra nightmare and extra life mode

[azure oriole]

Oh

I didn't know that 💀

Whatever its still fun to do

[austere bronze]

definitely

[azure oriole]

I think we can all agree that doom 3 was one of the worst games

[random vault]

whos we

[azure oriole]

This discord, at least maybe

[austere bronze]

haven't played it so can't confirm nor deny

[azure oriole]

Just look at the pinky from doom 3 compared to the one from doom I

[cyan sorrel]

its not the worst game for me

its just on diff genre so they dont like it

[azure oriole]

I mean its your opinion

I can't change that

[cyan sorrel]

yeah that why i said "for me"

💀

[azure oriole]

Now, I think mighty doom is a fine game, and its ok if you disagree

I gotta go guys buy

*bye

[random vault]

no

[arctic trellis]

nuh uh

[rocky lion]

holy shit

there can not be a more braindead boss fight than davoth

theres jus no way

this fucker does his green attack thing once every 2 years

[arctic trellis]

yeah he is kinda version of annoying marauder

[rocky lion]

this fight is actually borderline impossible

[azure oriole]

anything is possible.

[azure oriole]

(if it's actually impossible you can fix that by going into the game's code or sum idfk)

[rocky lion]

i have a higher chance of getting truck by thunder than this dude doing his green attack thing

[azure oriole]

Im back btw

If anyone cares

[arctic trellis]

just for asking are you died on your un? @rocky lion

[rocky lion]

no

[arctic trellis]

oh if was that a un you problaby eated your keyboard lmao

[rocky lion]

this is byfar the most autistic boss fight ever conjured

dark lord summons heavy demons, heals, does green attacks like every 1 out of a million times

[young mango]

don’t know if this is the case but on lower difficulties he has less tokens available causing him to greenlight less. you can also attempt to bait him into a greenlight by flamebelching him ( this strategy is not foolproof )

[azure oriole]

I actually don't have the ancient gods, but I will buy it

[arctic trellis]

well i beated him like one year ago i guess the experience i had while fight him stay middle don't stay too close don't go too far keep equal yes he's defensive but when you get him try to do a combo like when you stun him with a shotgun use; Balista,Shotgun,grenade and then land a hammer then you can use your chaingun

basic combo

btw in my opinion hardest boss in the game the maykr angel in dlc man the soul stage is hard asf

[young mango]

ironic how the stay in the middle thing doesn’t apply to the actual marauder but it does to the darklord because if you get to close he’ll ground slam with his shield, even if he’s the one approaching you. which I kind find of silly considering like if an enemy is actively running towards you you’d think in a game advertised as having “push forward combat” it’d be a good time to not back down, and yknow with every other enemy in the game this means they’re game for getting attacked, including the marauder and gladiator lol. Davoth isn’t a boss that reinforces everything you’ve learned, it kinda tosses it to the side in favor of being this confusing mess to any new player

[azure oriole]

goo goo. gaa gaa.

?

?

[arctic trellis]

Yes yes true the game bosses isn't different like you said marauder and gladiator they just going aggressive with their shields but not for davoth davoth is chill in my opinion

he's like gladiator but smart one gladiator's only deal is that laser things

[rocky lion]

FINALLY

forgot to lock in 🙄

[arctic trellis]

u beated him i guess

[analog karma]

I finally beat Icon of Sin 👍🏻

[arctic trellis]

congrats now do it on ultra nightmare

like every chad do

[analog karma]

Nah thanks it was on easy it took me 3 days

This game gets so hard

[arctic trellis]

trust me it's soo fun to try but a little bit annoying when you died on your third time

[azure oriole]

@analog karma it is hard

[arctic trellis]

but you will used to it when you die too much times

[young mango]

when I was worse at the game it was my first ultra nightmare run that was going somewhere and my game crashed on the icon, but thankfully papa Hugo is generous enough for that to not corrupt your save file but I hopped back on and died almost instantly

[arctic trellis]

oh man i feel that

[azure oriole]

I have never done ultra nightmare, I cannot imaging marauders there

[arctic trellis]

i died to gladiator on my un

2 times

[azure oriole]

And marauders are already hard for me on itytd

[young mango]

surprisingly I’ve never lost a UN run to gladiator, I’ve gotten close but it never happened, in my last UN run it went quite smoothly actually

I need to redo a playthrough someday, even recordings from like a few months ago I deem highly suboptimal

[arctic trellis]

somehow my first try on gladiator he's moving to my next direction i don't know they made him more smarter maybe xd

[azure oriole]

I need some good ways of killing tyrants

[arctic trellis]

second is a more annoying when i move to chainsaw the zombie he just wait on my back and getting ready for a hit

[azure oriole]

Can yall help me

[arctic trellis]

Ice bomb + locking ( rocket i mean ) + super shotgun + grenade + balista + rocket again and maybe land a blood punch

[uncut rune]

Bro muraders are harder to kill then doom hunters for me

[azure oriole]

Thanks they have been so annoying on my master run of the super gore nest

[arctic trellis]

the reason you're struggling becasue you don't use your flame and ice bombs

the strongest thing in this game is flame launcher in my opinion

[azure oriole]

The flame belch?

[arctic trellis]

yes

[azure oriole]

Alr

[willow crag]

Yeah Doom Hunters are honestly quite easy to kill imo

[arctic trellis]

it deals damage gives armor think if you hit 6 demons with flame belch 20x6=120

[azure oriole]

Also long live daisy the rabbit

[arctic trellis]

well everyone does the meaning of all demon's suffer lmao

[azure oriole]

Lmao

[glass sandal]

[arctic trellis]

[azure oriole]

I agree it sucks that daisy died in doom I

[arctic trellis]

Kar en TUK!

[glass sandal]

poor daisy

[azure oriole]

tacodemon

[glass sandal]

interesting

[arctic trellis]

skibidi marauder

[azure oriole]

What

[arctic trellis]

search on youtube doomguy bot posted it

[azure oriole]

https://youtu.be/pkFxl8Pw9qc?si=2NbYgrEz1UTYgpDj

Here it is

[arctic trellis]

ah man a gift from heavens

[austere bronze]

just quick swap and they should go down pretty quick

[glass sandal]

that thing was way darker than davoth himself

[austere bronze]

honestly, once you can quick swap quickly you just need to be able to form good startegies and have good movement and you could do pretty much anything

[random vault]

if thats heaven i dont wanna go

[young mango]

skibity.

[obsidian sun]

Anyone has played the Kaiser Campaign mod here ?

[umbral totem]

https://youtu.be/OJlZ_OFTSqQ?si=3Idr9IRAxejlzCxl how is he so good

@young mango

[young mango]

idk, I’ve done the same thing before but I guess it’s just not getting hit

[knotty rock]

i deeply hate cultist base. that final fight on nightmare is honestly thwe worst thing i think ive ever partcipated in oh my god im going to kill myself

[placid panther]

Buenas tardes .alguien que le interesaría hacer los trofeos del Doom eternal . Me falta solo un compa ?

[knotty rock]

cheers matre

[old skiff]

Why does taras nabad get an achievement for all 25 collectables, but not the arc complex, as it too has 25 collectables

[azure oriole]

Sorry I haven't been texting much

But I'm back

[cyan sorrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXxDqI72ZUk just practice quick swap bro

many more combo like pb rocket , pb ssg , ssg pb , pb rocket , etc

[azure oriole]

Thanks

[willow crag]

Tyrants are so fun to fight man

[azure oriole]

Yeah but they can be annoying at times

[willow crag]

I rarely if ever find them annoying personally

[cyan sorrel]

True they are my practice meat pile

[willow crag]

They're probably my favorite enemy in the game actually

[azure oriole]

Well thats just you and that's fine if you don't find them annoying, I'm just bad

[cyan sorrel]

Later you can even 1 cycle marauder ( no hammer) just keep practicing

No one good at first

Practice and practice

[azure oriole]

I hate marauders

[willow crag]

Mate I suck as well, I can't even get past cultist base on UN, I love the Tyrant tho

[azure oriole]

I suck on itytd

[cyan sorrel]

UN first 3 lv are relateable after that easy , I died 14 time on cultist base

[azure oriole]

[versed aurora]

I came here to ask a technical question about the game itself

[azure oriole]

Like what

[placid dagger]

ive been playing un for almost 6 months and ive been stuck on the last level for half that time

[azure oriole]

I am a noob I never even done UN 💀

[placid dagger]

for me it was really abt going checkpoint to checkpoint esp on those harder lvls

[placid dagger]

you learn a loooot from doing un

[cyan sorrel]

Cheer mate hope u past it soon so many mancubus

[versed aurora]

To keep it short; recently, I got myself a copy of Doom Eternal for Xbox One, I have an Xbox Series X - which if I remember right, says it's compatible with Xbox One games

Now I've tried downloading the game, particularly the campaign - it was fully installed...and, I couldn't play it

I could play the battle mode, yeah, but not the campaign, any ideas on how to fix this issue?

[placid dagger]

havent even gotten to the icon of sin yet 💀

[azure oriole]

I play on switch 💀

[placid dagger]

ohhhh

[placid dagger]

going from un to just n on ancient gods was a genuine blessing ngl

i dont get 2 shot by imps anymore

[versed aurora]

I've been trying to find out what's wrong - is my copy bugged or what?

[willow crag]

No after that it's not easy, I keep fucking dying in every god damn level after the second one on Nightmare and it's annoying the hell out of me

[placid dagger]

i know how u feel and it's why i only play un like once a week 💀

it gets soooo annoying sometimes and ill just get stuck for up to a month

[cyan sorrel]

Keep distant man , don’t stop moving just go around the battleground ( I go in circle) master the meet hook ( try to stay in the air frequency) , and yes quick swapping

[versed aurora]

@azure oriole refer to this

[willow crag]

Easier said than done

[cyan sorrel]

That is why I said practice

[placid dagger]

meat hook can be very hit or miss depending on your skill and can be esp damning with the cooldown

[azure oriole]

I never tried battle mode because I don't like PVP very much

[versed aurora]

Yeah, but it's not what I am looking for; I'm trying to see if this is a technical error that can be fixed

[azure oriole]

I can see if the same thing happens

But it will be a while

[versed aurora]

Alright

[cyan sorrel]

https://youtu.be/bXxDqI72ZUk?si=_oFXIlDzDsU1iSjx
Just practicing and time to time you will see improvement , no one straight up good without practicing this game
Good luck on ur next run

[umbral totem]

I keep dying in that shitty marauder fog room cuz I can’t kill him

[cyan sorrel]

Practice movement and quick swapping

Memorized heavy spawn postion

[umbral totem]

It’s bcuz I keep getting hit by the fodders and they make him spawn his wolf

[novel token]

can you enter the Campaign tab? or is it "locked" with a key or something like that or greyed out? maybe you just downloaded a version of Eternal with only Battlemode, which version did you bought?

reconcile entitlements is the only thing I think might help

[cyan sorrel]

maurauder ?

He spawn wolf when you hit his shield

[willow crag]

And if anything else hits his shield like fodder demons

[umbral totem]

He also spawns if other demons hit his shield

[placid dagger]

what i do is a really simple strat where as soon as he goes green, i stun him with ssg and quickswap to normal shotgun and rapid fire until his shield goes up

[umbral totem]

I just do ssg balista

[placid dagger]

ooh that would work rlly well

[umbral totem]

I’m not good enough for the lock on grenade strategy

[cyan sorrel]

That first time I knew , didn’t happened with me b4

[placid dagger]

same

[cyan sorrel]

Or maybe I didn’t notice. 💀

[lyric lodge]

The double lock on is actually pretty easy, just requires timing

[azure oriole]

Sorry I keep leaving

[cyan sorrel]

Easiest 1 cycle marauder is ballista arbalest+ grenade ( x2 ) + shield bash till he die

Or ballista arbalest + grenade(x2) + full auto till he die

[azure oriole]

I always hate when you are saving your chainsaw fuel for a heavy demon, and you have no ammo, and there is only fodder demons around, no heavy ones

[cyan sorrel]

Don’t saving , begining on high difficulty yes ,late game just chain what ever you can , need spam ammo

[willow crag]

I might actually try that one

[empty plover]

Pretty surprised that my intel MacBook can kinda handle DE

[azure oriole]

Can't relate I play on switch

[empty plover]

OOF and how is the performance?

[azure oriole]

It is NOT smooth thats for sure

[empty plover]

Oof

I first bought DE on stadia…. And we all know what happened to that platform

[azure oriole]

I am thinking of getting doom I

[cyan sorrel]

What the doom eternal fps on switch

[empty plover]

(I got refunded)

[young mango]

30

[cyan sorrel]

Ooff

[willow crag]

It's...dynamic

[cyan sorrel]

Ok might be difficult

[empty plover]

MacBook it fluctuates between 50 - 25

[azure oriole]

I am gonna get doom 1 so I can kick the spider mastermind's ass

[empty plover]

Even with medium/low settings

[cyan sorrel]

Can try 15 fps for infinity dash

[azure oriole]

Pov you are a demon in hell and you hear gunshots and the doom music

I gotta go bye

[young mango]

anything 28 or below is guaranteed infinite dash

15 is way too low

[cyan sorrel]

Idk how to even go down 28 fps rn

[young mango]

what’s your platform?

[cyan sorrel]

I’m pc

[azure oriole]

Yall im gonna go beat the master level of the super gore nest real quick

[young mango]

your graphics card should have a frame capper that comes with it, but if you want my preferred way of capping framerate try “DESRU”

[cyan sorrel]

Okay I might try that for fun a little bit but I don’t think I can play that low for long after play on 250ish fps

It’s like life is slowing down

[young mango]

infinite dash is a neat gimmick but it isn’t good when you think about how every boost ever works most optimally on higher framerates

[cyan sorrel]

Yeah for fun purpose only

[azure oriole]

Wait what is infinite dash?

[cyan sorrel]

You have 2 dash before have to go on short cooldown but if you fps under 28 like he said then you can dash without cooldown

[azure oriole]

Ok

Thx

Im doing the master level of the mars core

Probably a bad idea

Also on the switch, its not the FPS that sucks, its the graphics

[uncut creek]

why would you even bother playing eternal on switch

[azure oriole]

Idk

[tall root]

i played it on Xbox

[tall root]

also have a good time here

[uncut creek]

which one?

[tall root]

xbox series one i think

[uncut creek]

ok

[tall root]

it was so good

[uncut creek]

I'm on PS5

[tall root]

nice

[uncut creek]

slim

[tall root]

my favourite level is mars core and Doom hunter base

[uncut creek]

super gore nest, final sin and mars core are my top 3

[tall root]

cool i don't like the master level of super gore nest because i did classic mode for it so it was a pain in the ass to beat

[uncut creek]

I did all that stuff on UN

and classic mode nightmare deathless

[tall root]

WOW i tried on the easiest and it felt like ultra nightmare and died lots

[faint void]

Maybe

[azure oriole]

Im bak btw if anyone cares

Not the main menu theme being an absolute banger.

[azure oriole]

Not the bfg music going do hard

[azure oriole]

the

whiplash

Only

is the worst

Thing

They

Fear

Is

***Y O U ***

[uncut creek]

hitscan weapons are useful for them

I usually p-bolt ballista them

[azure oriole]

just to be clear, the zombies used to be humans. DOOMGUY IS STRONG ENOUGH TO RIP A HUMAN IN HALF

also doomguy seems to know a lot about the anatomy of the demons. his glory kills often involve him using components of the demon to kill them

[frigid zinc]

I actually despise the whiplash

[azure oriole]

the only thing we fear is you.

[random vault]

whos we

[azure oriole]

me, you, nearly everyone in the server.

(this is an unfunny joke)

[random vault]

not me

[waxen field]

Their projectile taking a plane from china to hit you in the us

[rose thistle]

I mean, yeah

[rose thistle]

He has been fighting them for quite a while

why do some people have red names in battlemode?

[azure oriole]

Has anybody beat ultra nightmare with no runes

[tall root]

same especially when i did super gore nest master level

[waxen field]

Probably a youtube vid of that somewhere

[azure oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HbJXh2WEls

this guy is insane

also can you adjust the joystick sensitivity cause it seems really high to start

[azure oriole]

Yes, ik you can at least on console, but it doesn't actually work that well

[waxen field]

Speaking of crazy tuns someone did 2016 with only the pistol

On un

[azure oriole]

Calommus V Turna

[spring panther]

nah its the carcass when theres more than 1

[azure oriole]

[spring panther]

the shield walls are very annoying when they block a meathook during the hook

[azure oriole]

i have a question: if you start a new game, do you get to keep all of your weapons/upgrades

[rose thistle]

no

[azure oriole]

dam

[waxen field]

No but you can play through older levels and avoid using op stuff like the bfg

[azure oriole]

when you break a hell knight's arm it reaches for the wound like it's in pain 🥺

lol

[rose thistle]

I just lost a game and then got a streak up bonus

[night violet]

Please sub like comment and I take requests https://www.youtube.com/live/-BHFoymAS6o?si=0NBqwUx0RYygm-Iu

[ionic trout]

Me at work only thinking about playing DOOM

[rocky lion]

man i love this uac intern guy

hes such a fanboy 🤣

[umbral totem]

i'm quitting this game, i'll never beat the master levels on ultra nightmare it's impossible for me i'm trash

[rose thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/673396111066660874/1219537000475131914/image.png
at last!

[lyric lodge]

You can control both horizontal and vertical individually. I tend to put horizontal higher yhan vertucal

[umbral herald]

What is the best strat for an archvile

[empty basin]

Freeze with Ice Bomb -> Fire 2 Lock-On Rocket volleys

[slow sigil]

Reminder that games are supposed to be fun

[azure oriole]

Fr, difficulty exist for a reason

Some people wanna chill and prolly just not good at it but wanna try, and some people just want challenge

[lyric lodge]

Yo chat im gonna try beating doom hunter base with the least amount of deaths wish me luck frfr 🙏🙏

Yeah i died in the first arena 3 times

Did worse than yesterday 😭🙏

[rose thistle]

What's that tech that lets you do 2 lock ons at once again?

Also guys I'm ngl
I'm thinking about just binding my scrolling wheel to different weapons... I've gotten pretty solid with binds pretty quickly and don't really use the scroll for anything anymore (it's fucked me up a few times even actually), might as well get easy access to some more weapons right?

[lyric lodge]

Its by sylar, you can check his channel. If youre on console, find muricaneagle. Basically just shoot your heavy cannon then swap then shoot a rocket then IMMEDIATELY lock on while releasing your shoot button. Then tap the shoot button once while relasing the lock on

[azure oriole]

I've never even attempted to do it but i think im fairly good, so you're better than me.You aren't trash, just try again

[lyric lodge]

I feel so much sympathy for the poor hell knight 😔✊️ #justiceforthemortallychallenged

[desert dagger]

Just finished the campaign for Doom Eternal and it was awesome!
But I wonder, is the DLC worth the money?

How does it compare to the original campaign?

[slow sigil]

tag1 is probably the best content in the campaign, it just continues the gameplay

tag2, eh it's mostly not shit anymore yet still a step down, get the y1 pass

[desert dagger]

Great 😀
Thank you for the advice 👍

[ornate dagger]

can someone give me some good advice for how to complete the game on ultra nightmare, or some strategies am trying to complete the ENTIRE game.

[azure oriole]

Ummm, dodge and shoot the weak points?

Idk, I play on the easiest difficulty and still died.

Yeah I'm pathetic compared to the rest in the server.

[slow sigil]

UN is the exact same as NM but it's more tedious if you die

[lyric lodge]

Practice on nightmare, lots. Trust me this stuff takes good months if you dont have lots of time at hand. Practice on nightmare, start a new slot and replay missions, make sure to play as much as you can and get the least deaths

[azure oriole]

Having deep knowledge of the levels and encounters really helps imo, and persistence and practice are your two best friends on UN

[lyric lodge]

Good dps and movement is key aswell

[azure oriole]

I finally got the BFG (epic, all weapons acquired)

[ornate dagger]

Thanks for the advice👍

[azure oriole]

Don't forget to get Kronos Strike

Helps alot with takin out the weakpoints

[austere bronze]

Chrono strike feels kinda unecessary ngl, since at the start there are more important runes and later in the game you take out heavys so quickly that you don't need to care about weakpoints and if your aim is good enough you don't need it anyways

[random vault]

@azure oriole i saw someone online say the fireballs the demons shoot are as hot as the sun, is that true??? that seems fake

[empty basin]

I don't think there was an explicit confirmation on how hot the enemy projectiles are?

[azure oriole]

The Codex doesn't mention anything like this.

Imp fireballs are simply said to be superheated, condensed energy.

[random vault]

i love it when people lie online ❤️

someone in that same thread said doom slayer is as fast or faster then light

[azure oriole]

They may be confusing it for VEGA's core processing, which is several times hotter than the surface of the sun.

[random vault]

idk, they were saying “the slayer literally survives the surface of the sun, the demons shoot fireballs as hot as the sun” while talking about how strong he is

[azure oriole]

Sup

[proud sequoia]

Today is march 19th, hopefully we get more news on modding tomorrow

[random vault]

people on xitter always just be saying stuff

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/938263655244505121/1219643181709398036/IMG_6542.jpg?ex=660c0c3a&is=65f9973a&hm=9a36ff347fb8255358272f622bca144472e682de31305b05032749bf3c6b6ac5&

[azure oriole]

Well there's your problem, you are using Twitter. What'd you expect?

[azure oriole]

I can't mod, I have a switch

Nah. Demon attacks can break through it as shown in gameplay. The UAC just failed to penetrate it with their own equipment.

[random vault]

having an unbreakable suit doesnt matter if my mushy body inside turns to soup

getting the sun thrown at me would instantly boil my blood, theres no amount of insulation that can withstand that, also parts of the armor are exposed like the arms

[azure oriole]

I need some tips to kill barons of hell

Can yall help me

[azure oriole]

That's false, but he is supposed to have speed that matches his will, so if you think he has infinite will then I suppose he could be infinitely fast. This logic is very stupid tho.

That saying is just exaggeration.

It isn't literal. There is no literal defined ratio of "will" to "speed."

[random vault]

fun and joy and whimsy

but fr what would i respond to that? like, yeah i can tell them that the “killing god” thing is an exaggeration but how strong do they think imps are that they would tear apart captain America, also is that khan maker stuff true?

[azure oriole]

Isnt it a quote? It's either in the little tomb things on 2016 or in Taras Nabad I don't remember. But he says that the slayer was gifted spend and strength to match his will. Was bro just exaggerating?

The Khan is capable of traversing dimensions, yes. But this likely is due to Maykr tech like the Dimensional Lacerator, not just Khan magic.

[azure oriole]

Yes. That's exaggeration. The demons are terrified of him.

Just like Elena Richardson. She says he's a god. He isn't, but of course she would feel he is.

[random vault]

thats lowkey stupid

[azure oriole]

@azure oriole I don't know much lore could u teach me sum of it

[azure oriole]

Yeah but she is just like a human. I thought that the tomb things in 2016 had the actual written history and backstory of the slayer, so that's my bad.

[azure oriole]

Well they do, you just have to remember the demons have a penchant for exaggerating because they are dramatic.

They're terrified of the man. The Testaments are covering real events, but they are also revering the Slayer as the strongest threat Hell has ever faced.

[azure oriole]

Check the pinned messages for a guide.

Ok thanks

[random vault]

anyways i responded with a bunch of stuff, ik powerscaling dumb but i think a normal chill convo isnt bad

just a little light fun, a little bit of silly debate

[spring panther]

someone did eternal with only the pistol too

[random vault]

@azure oriole ok so i mightve gotten the original question wrong, is argent energy as hot or hotter then the sun?

[azure oriole]

Unclear, never stated. Likely no, because it's being stored in fragile, easy-to-break glass capsules.

Likely being confused with VEGA's core processing - this is hotter than the surface of the sun. That isn't really because of Argent Energy but rather the vast amount of computational processes running that the usage of Argent is enabling.

[rose thistle]

On Slayer strength, important to consider that he's powered by like 10% maykr magic 90% badassness

[slow sigil]

You can probably get it hotter then the surface of the sun if you tried, but not near the centre

[rose thistle]

Even with whatever nonsense TAG threw at us the series is still campy as hell. This is a guy who singlehandedly fought through the legions of hell several times because he was so pissed about his rabbit before becoming a demigod

[slow sigil]

"He could do it solely because he is pissed about his rabbit" is a machination the fanbase made, all of doom1 happens before he even knew about daisy's dead

[rose thistle]

Damb

[slow sigil]

He did it because he was fairly skilled with guns, managed to survive the surprise blitzkrieg of the demons at first, and a healthy fose of luck ofc like any combatant

[azure oriole]

The demigod powers are mainly just to justify him being so old + new gameplay mechanics. They aren't too relevant to the actual story.

[rose thistle]

The numerous health and ammo pickups scattered across hell certainly helped too, I'm sure

[slow sigil]

I mean.... they could easily have it play merely 3 years post 64

[rose thistle]

Making him a demigod was the natural next step in elevating campy badassness

Y'all does this game have like weakpoints
Like aside from the ones that visibly glow red when you shoot them and blow up
Like ik you do more damage to a zombie by hitting its head, but does the same apply to a macubus? Do you do extra damage to a cacodemon by hitting its underbelly or eye or something?

[slow sigil]

I'm pretty sure most demons have headshot multipliers, just a few that don't

Don't think a lot of the time it matters qua staggers though

[unreal flare]

Nobody ever mentions that he also loses people that are actually much more important to him than his pet rabbit : his wife and son

well, "nobody" more like people who didn't actually play Doom

I think the only reason he decided to stay in hell to fight is because he was the most experienced in fighting demons and he ultimately lost everything he had

That in turn makes him perfect for the job

[slow sigil]

Probably because it's only "known" at all from a small picture in eternal that accidently stayed in the game

[azure oriole]

Nobody really gives a shit about Daisy in-universe. Daisy is an ascended joke. Eternal establishes he's lost a hell of a lot more than one rabbit.

[unreal flare]

Accidentally, you say? How so?

[slow sigil]

Well, by a dev leaving it in

Iirc there was like a tweet or something during a stream where it's said it wasn't really supposed to be ingame

[azure oriole]

Well, it's in now!

Even if it weren't though the Slayer lost his people. Like, as a whole. Twice

[slow sigil]

well the game never confirmed it as his family soooooo

[azure oriole]

Who else would it be?

[unreal flare]

He could've stolen that from a coworker's room before the events of Doom 1993

[random vault]

its like one of those random stock photos that are in picture frames when you buy them at the store

[azure oriole]

That would be pretty funny.

But in all seriousness, even without any dev comments I think the implication of the photo is very clear.

[slow sigil]

like, any other configuration of people

maybe he is the woman and my doomguy is trans theory is real!

[azure oriole]

Well yeah but why would the Slayer have it in his fortress, along with having torn off the father?

[azure oriole]

See now you're speaking my language.

[young mango]

new demigod powers explain his ability to jump + freelook

( note I know he did have freelook in the original 64 port but it does not currently exist in the pc ports to my knowledge )

[azure oriole]

Dude finally got rid of the crick in his neck.

[warped sage]

Do you ever wish we could have ever driven a mech at one point on Eternal?

[azure oriole]

It would've been neat but probably not worth the effort honestly.

[rose thistle]

64 had what

[rose thistle]

idk man he has a ton of random crap in there

[rose thistle]

qua?

also so like
headshot multiplier, makes sense. I imagine ones that don't are guys like arachnotrons who kinda only are a head to begin with
what about like, in 2016 I think you did more damage by shooting a mancubus in its hanging belly? they had a damage and death animation for that, at least. They're more fit in Eternal though so idk about that
and Cacodemons, I remember going for the eye in 2016 but idk if that ever did anything, but I read you do more by going for the underbelly? does that still apply?
what about something like a pain elemental? is there anywhere I should aim for there?

[azure oriole]

Aim for the eye.

IIRC Pain Elementals take more damage from the eye.

(I may be wrong though. Perhaps verify first.)

[rose thistle]

do all enemies have a weak spot? is there a full list?
like you wanna shoot the pigs in the ass but like where do you attack an arachnotron after you've shot the turret off?

[azure oriole]

I've never looked too closely into it personally. I'm pretty sure headshots are still a thing?

[rose thistle]

idk if it's due to the design or more just a me thing but I do remember going for headshots a lot more in 2016 which I kinda miss lol

[young mango]

they do Infact take more damage in the eye, Im not sure how negligible it might be though, same thing applies to cacodemons as well

[azure oriole]

What about other enemies?

[rose thistle]

do cacos take more damage in the underbelly too or nah?

[young mango]

every enemy pretty much has the weakness you’d think they have, the khan maykr is a weird exception though, for some reason shots that land on the orbs and wings in specific deal extra damage

[young mango]

no, unfortunately that deals normal damage

[rose thistle]

the wings??
I swear she takes less if you hit the wings

orb doing more makes total sense tho

[rose thistle]

did it do extra in 2016 or is that wrong too?

[young mango]

wait yea i made a mistake it’s only the orb that does extra damage, the wings actually nullify damage so hard that a full super shotgun becomes less damage than a normally scaled point blank combat shotgun shot

[rose thistle]

yeah

also am I tripping or does aeroblast do less damage than a regular balista shot against bosses

[young mango]

possibly, I know the marauder in specific has resistances towards the ballista and it’s two mods

[rose thistle]

idk if it's some engine quirk or hard coded but against like any of the floating eye dudes as well as like the khan and stuff I seem to do significantly more with just a regular balista shot than the charged explosive hard to hit one lol

[young mango]

so normal arbalest damage is 1600.
Normal ballista damage 860.
damage against the doom hunter: arbalest is 1200, ballista is 860.
Damage against gladiator: arbalest does 1000, ballista does 860.
Khan maykr: arbalest does 800, ballista does 660.
Icon of sin: arbalest does 800, ballista does 740.
Maligogs boxes: arbalest is 1600, ballista is 860
Samur: arbalest is 835.2, ballista is 480.

[rose thistle]

jank as shit
for Khan I might just be hitting her less consistently with arbelast since it's not hitscan so I'm less likely to hit the weak point ig

[young mango]

with that damage scaling it might not be worth it to arbalest, that’s a 140 different in damage, that’s less health than a zombie, it’s negligible

[rose thistle]

yeah
today I just do balista PB combo

[young mango]

I’ve found lock on to be especially useful

[rose thistle]

but I before I learned that kinda stuff I'd be like "ok obviously I wanna use my charged long-range super cannon to kill these guys

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/_C7z-xmbkDc?si=ElMakVLiYQ3nkpm4

[rose thistle]

oh yeah I forgor about that
lock on just destroys her lol it's hilarious

dude can I say
first time I fought Khan Maykr, I was confused as shit by the giant golden fist floating in the middle of the arena
that is, the blood punch charge

because
like
it doesn't appear anywhere else in the game before that??
if the initial blood punch pickup looks similar but that was the whole game earlier lol

[young mango]

classic doom eternal moment of introducing a new mechanic that’s never been utilized before and pretending like it’s normal

[rose thistle]

I kept trying to grab it but my charge was full so I wouldn't and I thought my game was broken lmao

it's also weird like why is it even there? you get a charge automatically by breaking her shield which is the only time you'd use it

[young mango]

I was once messing around with beating the game on 1.0 with a bunch of glitches and I skipped so much that I skipped the blood punch and it became literally impossible to kill the khan maykr

[rose thistle]

LOL

why didn't you just skip her too smh

[young mango]

end level trigger is her death😢

[rose thistle]

do like a superjump thing from that kinda hub area where you go to activate the rings and just jump into the portal
should work trust

[young mango]

also something I’ve seen a lot of people get confused over is new people who try to get into speedrunning and don’t understand that slope boosting has been patched out of the game for like 4 years now and the only way to do it is to downpatch

[rose thistle]

isn't the game like
exactly 1 day younger than 4 years lol

[young mango]

slope boosting wasn’t even THAT good, the only reason it was widely used is because the bar for execution was literally zero and it could be performed damn near anywhere so no set up was needed

[rose thistle]

what is slope boosting actually

I saw one doom eternal speedrun where the guy just completely broke the game and it was hilarious

i had no idea what was happening though
other than ik weapon wheel slowdown messes with some physics

[young mango]

that trick where people would go off the edge with the weapon wheel and start spamming jump with scroll wheel or macro and launch themselves

[young mango]

because physics in doom eternal are tied to framerate, weapon wheel slows down time and effectively makes your framerate 7.14x higher

[rose thistle]

ah ok it's that one

does the "slope" refer to like the beveled edge of a surface or something?

[young mango]

the max you’re allowed to play at, to not have a competitive edge is 250, this gives you an effective 1786.

[rose thistle]

what?

did you forget a word or something lol

[young mango]

yea sorry I was in a rush

[rose thistle]

if the game's logic is built around the frames, how can it run at different FPS without behaving totally differently? 250 FPS should just run 5 times faster than 50 by that logic, but everything on its own behaves the same, no?

does it have systems to correct that but the weapon wheel messes with them or something?

[young mango]

it applies to actual slopes, and going off edges being slope boosts still applies to the terminology of it and whatnot because all edges you can fall off of have a kind of grace forgiveness where you go off the physical platform but there’s a tiny bit of air that catches you to prevent platforming from feeling too unfair, this in earlier patches was exploited because it would reset your double jump every time because you were on that forgiveness plain, the amount of double jumps tied in with the time slow effectively allowed people to stack hundreds upon hundreds of jumps all at once, majorly increasing their height

[young mango]

diminishing returns I suppose, like the higher you get, the less having higher frames matters? idk

[rose thistle]

like
basic example, with the meathook
game adds to your momentum for every frame you're hooking. You pull out the weapon wheel and now you're still hooking but a lot more frames are passing, so you get way more speed than you should
but how come running the game at 144 FPS doesn't inherently make the meathook sling you way quicker than playing at 60? it's still having way more frames pass over the same distance and time

[young mango]

it’s momentum is fairly stable in terms of straight forward, but if you’re hooking off an enemy into a certain trajectory, it’s most definitely noticeable, this in itself is not a huge issue, but the main thing that keeps it from being a bigger one is hook jumps, most of the time the player hits a meathook at such an angle that it makes them jump in place, negating their momentum before it can build, this is circumvented either by reaching such a speed where that angle is not hit, or simply switching weapons before it hits that speed. meathook nodes in particular utilize hook jumps heavily, which is why they feel so slow, if you switch weapons right before the hook jump, you’ll actually gain some decent speed. ( note meathook nodes are locked at an effective 120FPS physics speed )

[rose thistle]

this game is jank
another lesson in why you should decouple your game logic from framerate lol

didn't like, dark souls or something have this thing where durability was tied to framerate, so if you got your game to lag it'd play at the same speed but choppier but your weapons would last twice as long or some shit?

[young mango]

don’t know, never played dark souls tbh

“the framerate based physics in doom eternal can’t be THAT bad” https://youtu.be/eTMcyvGwxRU?si=aKD6UjQg4iMh_ov-

note this yeethook in itself isn’t too wild but if you see how I whiffed it on accident by stunting my momentum and didn’t even keep the wheel up for that long it’s crazy I managed that amount of distance with 250FPS

[rose thistle]

is yeethook still in the game or was it patched?

yeethook is such a good name lol

[young mango]

it’s still in the game

only way to fix it would be to get rid of the framerate based physics, and considering they’re basically intertwined so heavily that literally every single mechanic in the game functions off it it, I don’t see that happening any time soon

[rose thistle]

well they patched the slope boosting didn't they?
and you said the hook nodes have some kind of lock to prevent it?

they could just make physics run differently when the weapon wheel is up to compensate or something

[proud sequoia]

wasnt that a bug at launch?

[young mango]

yea slope boosting wasn’t a framerate issue though, they just removed it resetting your jump, and I guess It would be possible to lock the framerate on the meathook yea, but it’d be weird for them to single a specific mechanic out like that, I think the meathook node was their way of trying to fix the issue without actually fixing it

[proud sequoia]

why external emojis not allowed, I paid nitro for a reason

[young mango]

like a way to incentivize normal usage of it idk

[young mango]

this server requires boosting for external emojis to be useable

[rose thistle]

I mean they could just apply the node fix to regular use right?
ig it's more likely they don't wanna patch it. It is a pretty fun toy ig

[azure oriole]

I can use external emojis though?

[young mango]

becoz you’re special m0no

[azure oriole]

Oh right.

Probably my role.

[young mango]

yea they definitely could, battlemode uses meathook node speed as well, and that’s not using an external factor like a new object

doom fans can be annoying sometimes, like the feedback TAG2 got was wild, I heard they would send devs like death threats and stuff

I Love TAG2, play it on release patch for speedrunning purposes even, which is ironic because release patch has all the stuff people complained about

[rose thistle]

what did people not like about TAG? I mean the story is ass but it was fun

[young mango]

people complained about the balancing changes like “oh TAG1 got nerfed” and also people thought TAG2 being too easy made it underwhelming

like people complaining about the TAG1 changes just reminds me of that old petty stuff every time it’s brought up like cmon it’s not that bad

[rose thistle]

TAG1 changes?