doom-eternal

[crimson yarrow]

I don't understand how video settings in this game works

[alpine trench]

Super shotgun and rocket combo or Super shotgun and Ballista combo which one do you think is better?

[shadow vessel]

100% ballista

[crimson yarrow]

It looks and feels 99% the same no matter what

[shadow vessel]

Which part

[crimson yarrow]

All of it

[shadow vessel]

You make settings higher, game looks better

[crimson yarrow]

But here's the thing, I don't see how

[shadow vessel]

Its not drastic changes

[crimson yarrow]

Maybe it's because I have a 1080p monitor

[alpine trench]

Do u think Gotham knights sucks?

[shadow vessel]

that is likely

[crimson yarrow]

Did you just have a stroke?

[alpine trench]

No

[crimson yarrow]

How big is the performance boost of low settings Vs. visual boost of high settings?

[crimson yarrow]

Like you replied to that comment on a totally unrelated manner😂

[shadow vessel]

I wouldnt know cause i can only play on lowest. From what I've seen, lowest just makes everything blurrier and has worse smoothing

[crimson yarrow]

Gotham Knights looks like a mid mobile version of Arkham

That being said I haven't played it, so...

[alpine trench]

It should be unpredictable so that they don't understand your next move

[burnt moss]

DO I LOOK LIKE A COP TO YOU?!

[flint flame]

“Never let them know your next move”

[alpine trench]

If fps important to you, turn off everything, only set anti aliasing TAA and set resolution playable

[crimson yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

[crimson yarrow]

By the way, where in doom eternal do you set anti-aliasing?

[simple umbra]

settings.

[alpine trench]

Its graphic setting in all games and i dont play doom eternal on pc

[crimson yarrow]

Does anyone else here play on 1080p and doesn't notice ANY difference between the visual settings?

It's weird that they have so many options and even add "nightmare" and "ultra nightmare" to go above ultra and still, no difference at all

[crimson yarrow]

🤯

[simple umbra]

absurd discovery

[alpine trench]

How u know that?

[south girder]

Bruh

[simple umbra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/594556880618258444/999240840927002694/20220716_213459.gif

[crimson yarrow]

For some reason I just can't find it there, don't know why

Is it not part of "video"?

[simple umbra]

yea its supposed to be in video

alteast i think so

[sturdy saffron]

Love your pfp

[simple umbra]

waltuh

[sturdy saffron]

Breaking bad anime

[alpine trench]

If ur card is nvidia go to nvidia control panel and set it manualy

[alpine trench]

Now.Say my name

[shadow vessel]

Doom slayer

[alpine trench]

You goddamn right

[azure oriole]

🤮

[teal storm]

anyone have any tips for the blood swamps trial where there’s 2 buff totems, 2 tyrants and a possessed baron?
i keep dying there and im playing on nightmare difficulty

[shadow vessel]

ofc get rid of the buff totems first, then tyrants, then baron last

[teal storm]

that’s what i do, but the possessed baron keeps killing me
i probably need more practice

[shadow vessel]

Just dont stop moving

That baron is going to catch up to you rip you apart if you're too slow

[azure oriole]

Figure out where it spawns and try to get a bfg hit early

[alpine trench]

Use freeze and two grandes and burn them get shield and use rocker burst and supershotgun and ballista combo

[teal storm]

i usually use lock on burst and grenades against the baron at longer range, and use ssg pb quickswap at close range

[teal storm]

freeze works against the tyrants, but my main issue is just the possessed baron

[azure oriole]

You can use the microwave beam to stun it also

[teal storm]

i’ll probably try again once i get some sleep and free time, thanks for the advice

[alpine trench]

Use super shotgun and ballista loop

[azure oriole]

Ballista is weak against possessed

[alpine trench]

Its underrated its too good just no scope them no equipment need just change guns between super shotgun and ballista

[teal storm]

so pb does more dmg?

against possessed

[alpine trench]

Burn spear for super shotgun works well and shoot ballista after that gives u lots of shield

[teal storm]

i usually use meathook -> pb headshot for shield

[alpine trench]

Or u can just use Crucible blade

[flint flame]

rocker burst

[burnt moss]

Tyrants are a more passive threat; kill the Baron before the Tyrants.

[teal storm]

shame crucible isnt in the dlcs

[flint flame]

gotta keep meathooking

[alpine trench]

It was typing fault

[flint flame]

"its underrated"

[teal storm]

i better start practicing more then

[flint flame]

ssg ballista isnt really a good combo, but its a easy one

[alpine trench]

How about that hammer use it for dizziness them

[flint flame]

doesnt work on possessed demons

[teal storm]

and isnt available in tag pt 1

[azure oriole]

Rock luncher

[flint flame]

Cuber lancubus

[azure oriole]

The super hooker shotgun

[teal storm]

pajn ejemetal

[flint flame]

The ancient gerds

[teal storm]

the earth knife

[alpine trench]

Just use the Super shotgun and ballista combo or u can use super shotgun and burst rocket combo😂

[hot tree]

Mhan kaykr

[flint flame]

meathook into a precision bolt shot gets you 20 armor on kill, and using the supershotgun rewards 30. No need to waste a ballista shot

[flint flame]

dawg that shit's brain dead

[teal storm]

image of bad action

[alpine trench]

How hard do you want it to be? Him:Yes

[magic marsh]

The scon of in

[magic marsh]

Lark Dord

[flint flame]

You have way better combos in terms of damage, speed, and ammo efficiency

[alpine trench]

Its not that hard u think

[teal storm]

btw what’s the most effective way to deal dmg to the dark lord while he’s dazed by hammer?
i’ve seen people use different things like ssg + ballista, ssg + pb, mobile turret, even micro missiles + full auto or lob

[flint flame]

we get it, you've sworn by ssg ballista hur dur funny big damage guns go brr , but acknowledge that there's better combos

[azure oriole]

I use lockon with grenades

[tawny elm]

I've never used the ballista for anything besides it's mods

The blade is a great area denial tool

[alpine trench]

Just watch speed runs they had a lots of moves

[azure oriole]

Hi Saber 👋

[flint flame]

Mobile turret is the most simple, but as long as you get the stun virtually anything works (just not plasma or heavy cannon base fire )

[magic marsh]

The mobile turret’s good for barons

[strange gale]

neither ssg nor bal do any fuckin damage to possessed enemies, and even if they did, being close enough to a target that you can't falter with anything other than microwave beam and bfg for ssg to be effective is a terrible idea

[teal storm]

i’m gonna use combat shotgun base fire :troll:

[alpine trench]

heavy canon sucks u can just quick scope

[azure oriole]

HC is just only good for Damaging Fodders for gk-ing, but Ig everyone knows that.

[flint flame]

that’s…what I said….

[alpine trench]

I know

[alpine trench]

I wanted to confirm that

[azure oriole]

[flint flame]

[teal storm]

[south girder]

Thx

[serene gust]

[burnt moss]

GOLDENEYE IS COMING TO XBOX

and Switch

[rare goblet]

What y'all fav gun

[burnt moss]

The Doom-gun

[rare goblet]

There are many doom guns

[burnt moss]

Of Doom

The one that slays Doom

[rare goblet]

Ohhhhh

Ok

[burnt moss]

Nah totally the SSG

[jolly kernel]

any tips for quickly killing a Doom Hunter?

[proper thunder]

easiest demon in game

[proper thunder]

plasma gun the shield and just spam ss and bl combo

[simple umbra]

im not sure if you gain bl before sgn

[proper thunder]

you do

[simple umbra]

or did i mix it

[proper thunder]

Nah u earn the ss before u fight the doom hunter

and u get the ballista before u get the super shotgun

[simple umbra]

yea but im pretty sure you dont get it during dhb

[simple umbra]

dont you get it AFTER doom hunter base tho

[proper thunder]

i dont remeber

[simple umbra]

yea you get it after

[proper thunder]

i just remember using both while fighting them

unless i was in a different mission

[simple umbra]

prob diff mission

since you get it before super gore nest and after dhb

[proper thunder]

yeah ur riht

its after the doom hunter

[quartz dust]

lol, lmao

[frigid gate]

You get the Ballista after the Doom Hunter's Base

Oh wait it's already been said

[flint flame]

ew no

[flint flame]

no

[flint flame]

ice bomb -> 2 of either blood punch and/or point blank super shotgun shot on the sled - > single lock on rocket

if you lock on rocket during his sled destruction animation, he will die. Otherwise it's in glory kill state

[icy ice]

Frag to falter, 2 blood punches to the sled to detach it, and a lock-on burst will either put it in glory-kill state or kill it outright

[burnt moss]

Basically target the sled until it’s destroyed, using SSG Rocket Frag and Ice

[icy ice]

If you don't have lock-on, ssg & pb combo once or twice

[burnt moss]

Chaingun in later game is an EASY (not the best) way to destroy the sled

[azure oriole]

Gladly they fixed it, not too long ago he was invulnerable during sled destruction animation

[simple umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/yh-gif-25406060

[azure oriole]

Okay and?

[burnt moss]

Hey did I hear that IoS is invulnerable during armor/body part destruction?

[azure oriole]

P sure you can keep shooting other parts even during

Wait yeah you can, you can practically "stunlock" ios in phase 1

[random vault]

umm… what

[strange gale]

that happens at the end of both phases

[simple umbra]

wat

[random vault]

?

[jaunty vapor]

You can always damage any part as long as it's not already dead. Sometimes it's hard to see if a part is taking damage or not but if you hit it and it doesn't flash red, it means it's going to break.

[jaunty vapor]

For the first... Minute of the fight? He's scripted to do at least one attack on between each body part breaking. After that he can get stun locked permanently more or less.

Old patch you could stun lock asap

[jolly kernel]

I started to learn the mechanics better

using the ice grenade on /blood punching strong enemies to kill them faster and using the flame belch on fodder enemies to get armor

I also sometimes use the normal grenade

in regards to Doom Hunters, I find freezing them then doing a super shotgun and rocket launcher combo on them to be effective

adding the regular grenade to the mix for additional damage

[azure oriole]

I shred the Khan makyer with heat blast mastery and precision bolt to refill

[jolly kernel]

DE is one of those ''it seems confusing at first, but then you will learn the mechanics and enjoy it'' type of games, and that's what I like about it

[azure oriole]

I use plasma to wear down the shields then blood punch the sled and destroy the rest of the sled then I triple rocket the doom hunter which will either kill it(all of them except the 3 in doom hunter base) or put them into glory kill state(doom hunter base doom hunters)

[burnt moss]

I think this is what I misunderstood before. I though you were saying he was invulnerable during the animation when you said that previously. But you were actually just saying he has to attack before another destruction animation

[azure oriole]

Triple rocket is lock on mod for rocket launcher

[jolly kernel]

which enemies you guys usually use the meat hook on?

[azure oriole]

Fodders
Sometimes for heavies if I want to get more vertical movement

[magic marsh]

Agreed

[rustic rampart]

Whatever demon is currently on my screen

[jolly kernel]

I remember trying to use the flame belch on strong enemies when I first got it, the results were obvious

[magic marsh]

Death

[jolly kernel]

does it actually deal any damage at all? like small damage over time?

[magic marsh]

Just small damage

[azure oriole]

I only use Flame Belch on large group of enemies or when I when gk-ing a heavy

[magic marsh]

I flame belched a player demon and it did like tiny damage

[jolly kernel]

the ice grenade is really useful against strong enemies. I quickly kill Arachnotrons and Hell Knights with it

[fringe coral]

Hey

[woeful brook]

Kill all furries

[magic marsh]

Totally not an overused joke

[woeful brook]

Never gets old

[magic marsh]

That’s a massive lie

[burnt moss]

He doesn’t know that I have the right to arm bears

[woeful brook]

@burnt moss are they good to eat

[burnt moss]

Edited sorry

[woeful brook]

Should I change my jump to L1?

[rustic rampart]

What's L1?

[magic marsh]

Why would you want that

[rustic rampart]

Trigger or bumper?

[jolly kernel]

the virgin Sabaoth vs the chad Doom Hunter

[woeful brook]

@rustic rampart trigger

[rustic rampart]

Nah, go for left bumper

[woeful brook]

@magic marsh cause the best players have that

[magic marsh]

Ah

I don’t feel like I could adjust to that

But maybe you can

[woeful brook]

But it's just one adjustment I'll get used to it but I have no idea what will be my equipment launcher

[magic marsh]

Oh damn

Make it A?

[woeful brook]

I don't have A in my ps4 controller

[magic marsh]

X?

[azure forum]

Yes, I highly suggest to do that. Being able to jump without lifting a thumb is key.

[woeful brook]

@magic marsh yeah that's the only choice

[azure forum]

To me, jumping, dashing, fire, Weapon wheel, weapon mod, and SSG are the best to go into those 6 buttons (3L, 3 R)

[woeful brook]

You don't mind if I address my controls to see if anything is wrong with it

[azure forum]

Cut your Weapon wheel to 6, and use this:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/935398695782985778/995889871552000060/Screenshot_20220710-231036_Discord.jpg

[magic marsh]

Wait

There’s a separate button for the bfg? I thought that was only in doom 2016

[woeful brook]

You can bind your weapons into the slayer controls so you can just switch like a PC player

Only problem is there is not enough buttons

[azure forum]

With a Weapon wheel of 6, you can still use all buttons. I personally play with a WW of 4, and I have cut two buttons completely (Weapon Mod change, and chaingun)

I have SSG, Ballista and Heavy cannon binded to buttons.

[azure oriole]

All of them

[woeful brook]

@azure forum you can't make the weapon wheel switch time by 6 the limit is 70

[azure oriole]

6 weapons

[woeful brook]

"Weapon wheel to 6 Weapons "

[azure forum]

I meant 6 weapons. It is pretty common sense son.

Anyways, I suggest you do that if you play on console. It will improve your speed a lot and no more accidental BFG shots

4 WW size is even better but you start sacrificing stuff. BFG isn't needed once ypu complete the game, so not a big deal there.

[slow sigil]

you can also discard plasma rifle in the base game

[woeful brook]

It's wierd how you can just ignore it

[slow sigil]

welcome to bad game balance

[azure oriole]

And even better is a keyboard

[slow sigil]

weaponwheel? is that a gameshow or something

[azure forum]

Cries without a keyboard

[azure oriole]

Yeah must be, never heard

[woeful brook]

[jolly kernel]

I like how the 2016 Plasma Gun is the Doom 3 one while the Eternal Plasma Gun is the Classic Doom one

[azure oriole]

2016 plasma was way more useful too

[woeful brook]

@jolly kernel I don't mind it

[jolly kernel]

also, the Arachnotron design in this game is top-notch

the sounds it makes too

[azure oriole]

Sound design overall in eternal is really good

[shadow vessel]

im not a fan of the combat shotgun noise

i wish it actually sounded like a cool pump action

[azure oriole]

Sabaoth is waaay cooler than Doom Hunter

Dude's got a fucking BFG.

Sabaoth? The thing sarge becomes in doom 3?

[jolly kernel]

yes

[azure oriole]

I hate that fight because I keep falling off the arena

[burnt moss]

Yes

[woeful brook]

@burnt moss I already did and its gonna get hard to get used to it

@burnt moss and so did other controls

[jolly kernel]

I don't find the flame belch that useful, since you only get a small amount of armor from enemies ignited by it and you can quickly lose the armor you got with it during combat since enemies attack everywhere

[woeful brook]

🤓

If you find it useless then don't upgrade it and don't get the SSG mastery

[burnt moss]

You get 20 armor per fodder so if you could set 8 on fire you can refill your armor completely

[woeful brook]

Just flame belch a entire horde

[rotund sierra]

Gather a few fodder enemies, use flamebelch and kill em... you get plenty of armor

[burnt moss]

That’s normal. It will be worth it. BTW I thought you meant shoulder not trigger

[slow sigil]

Imagine how much hp you wouldve lost if you didnt get any armour at all

[woeful brook]

@burnt moss Thx for the information I dont have knowledge about the controller

[jolly kernel]

that Arachnotron glory kill where you impale its eye with one of its limbs is awesome

[woeful brook]

archville glory kills are better

[jolly kernel]

also the Zombie glory kill where you shove its head into its body

the face it makes when doing that glory kill is the cherry on top

[woeful brook]

I like zombies they funny

Mecha zombies are less funny

[jolly kernel]

I wonder if there's any glory kill animations for returning enemies which are reused from 2016

[woeful brook]

I wonder if they are gonna actually make a original bounce pad

[fading lichen]

I like the glory kills for carcass’es because those things make me mad

[woeful brook]

Same for the gargoyles

[jolly kernel]

Whiplashes are annoying too

at least ice grenade exists

[woeful brook]

Why do they have the whip of chaos

[fading lichen]

Because they paid for it on an EA vending machine

[random vault]

?

[midnight sparrow]

There glory kills are nice though

Specially that one where you stab it’s arm bone through its head

[jolly kernel]

I like the design of the Mancubus, it's like the Doom II one but modernized

[slow sigil]

That's all eternal designs barring the baron

[midnight sparrow]

Hell Knight as well

[slow sigil]

ok but that's not a real hellknight, that's the gladiator smh my head

[midnight sparrow]

yeah sure

[upper rivet]

So would anyone know why my level got reset in Doom but I kept all my cosmetics and progress in campaign

[slow sigil]

Cause level is saved locally as just 1 number and ID doesnt care about it cause it does nothing, while cosmetics are saved on your bethesda account

Your save uhhhh idk, probs just bit better guarded then levels

Or you reached lvl 250 something and got a star

[upper rivet]

Nah

But I play on Xbox and it hasn’t let me link my Xbox account to my Bethesda account since the game came out

So that’s why I was confused

It also never saved my achievements because I did most of the horde challenges and it’ll be a pain to get them back

[low zephyr]

@rapid jungle howd you get that cool skin in #screenshots

[trim cypress]

End of the World Spear Master Level on Nightmare got me like:

[azure forum]

Levels and stars are irrelevant anyways. They don't do anything nor mean anything other than you have play the game a lot.

[upper rivet]

I know that I just don’t get Bethesda at all and you can’t even call them for customer support which is stupid

[quick grove]

It’s in the event thing

[low zephyr]

Tyty

[mortal grail]

Anyone here have doomicorn?

If so, how much is it rn?

[waxen field]

$5 though I don’t own it

[mortal grail]

Do i have to pay for twitch prime?

[waxen field]

Nah it’s just dlc now

The price is the same though

[mortal grail]

Oooh ok thanks man!💙

[tawny elm]

alright i finished reading the timeline

[woeful brook]

That is the most poggers ever

[tawny elm]

im still confused lmao

[woeful brook]

[tawny elm]

so the slayer is something like 10000 years old or something?

[woeful brook]

[tawny elm]

killing daisy was the worst mistake the demons ever made lmao

[woeful brook]

[waxen field]

Imagine if there were different marauder types like a spear marauder and a sword marauder. They could have different weaknesses or timings.

[inner maple]

Is the doom games done

[waxen field]

Idk ask mr doom

[torpid sail]

Wdym like the series, I believe there planning on making a new doom game sometime in the future.

It's not gonna be like doom eternal that's all I have heard

[inner maple]

Yea cause I read that the ancient gods was the last doom game

[torpid sail]

No

I'm pretty sure there making a new one or planning on making a new one

[inner maple]

Because In the end doom guy kinda died right

[torpid sail]

Got sealed in a box again like the one in doom 2016

My best guess is that since he was created by idr his name rn but essentially god then he killed gun and got uncreated but his body is still there or else there wouldn't be a point in putting him in a bix

So some part of doomguy exists so he'll probably just get resurrected or woken by something or someone maybe even recreated somehow

[azure oriole]

Whoever said that is full of shit

[still palm]

time to attempt TAG 1 on UN

[burnt moss]

I’ll buy TAG again after I beat all the Master Levels on Nightmare

[loud terrace]

anyone else notice that tier 50 of the event thing is just… gone?

[shell radish]

there was never one to begin with iirc

it only goes to 45

[copper delta]

Man I miss playing this game

[loud terrace]

this one's at 49 and there was a santa claus doom slayer

[shell radish]

the santa slayer was a bug

[loud terrace]

that sucks I kinda wanted it lol

I'd def rather have mullet slayer but still

[hot tree]

AAAAAAA IVE HAD THIS SAME IDEA BEFORE

YES PLEASE HE BECOMES FODDER EVENTUALLY MAKE VARIETY

Needed to get that out my system lmao

[azure oriole]

Since no timeline has been confirmed for og doom or doomguy's age there, we can't know for sure.
But given the year eternal takes place in we can assume slayer is around 200 years or so.

[tawny elm]

yes but im referring to the time the slayer spent in hell

[azure oriole]

Assuming og doom takes place in early 21st century and doomguy is around 40 years there or such

[tawny elm]

because apparently time travels differently in hell?

[still palm]

I'm trying to do can't perfect perfection and I was wondering if I am not allowed to complete the mission challenges since they give preator suit points

[azure oriole]

Yeah hell timeline is different

[hot tree]

Probably a v e r y long time considering (if I remember correctly) time isn’t really a thing in hell

hence why he was there for so long when he was mortal

[azure oriole]

You can get praetor points, just do not take more than one upgrade

[tawny elm]

so by technicality the slayer is thousands of years old

[still palm]

okay thanks

[tawny elm]

also he was kinda of made immortal by the divinity machine

[hot tree]

Yeah that 2

[azure oriole]

Probably certain youtuber...

[tawny elm]

after i finish eternal im going to download the rest of the doom games

as gamepass comes with them all

[strange gale]

could even just keep the 1 mara type, but give him back the remaining 80% of his moveset that went unused

[burnt moss]

Playing Mars Core ML on HMP. It’s really hard.

[icy ice]

It's a really long ML, which adds to the difficulty

[flint flame]

[burnt moss]

Depends on what you call immortal

[burnt moss]

I’m probably splitting it into two sessions. The last encounter alone is ridiculous if I recall.

[icy ice]

Better leave the game on 😬

[icy ice]

Last encounter is the most fun of the level. It's like two encounters before that I hate lol

[hybrid notch]

Anyone wanna give me there ps5 name so I can get that booster xp?

[burnt moss]

Xbox has quick resume, which creates a savestate. You know the encounter with all the shield guys and carcasses in the small room? I accidentally clipped through the ceiling doing a meathook!

[icy ice]

Niceee

[burnt moss]

Scared the crap out of me- never know what will make you have to restart

Anyway, I’m done with the level! It was very hard but since it was HMP I didn’t have to use an extra life. Ended with 5 extra lives.

[icy ice]

Is nightmare next? Lol

[mortal grail]

I love hurt me plenty

it's a challenge but it's not challenging enough to make yourself mad

[burnt moss]

No, I’m going to work my way up gradually. All MLs on HMP, then on UV, then on NM

Base game only of course

[azure forum]

I personally started playing on HMP and I had a hard time at first.

[burnt moss]

To this day I only have beaten DOOM 2016 on UV and not NM

[alpine trench]

The most annoying demon?

[icy ice]

2016 NM is wild as hell with imps lol

I'd rather face 2 spider masterminds than 2 imps 😂

[alpine trench]

Any tips for killing Marauder?

[icy ice]

Practice quick-switching with ssg-pb or ssg-ballista

Do that on a tankier enemy like a cyber manc or a baron for practice

And just lure the marauder to you to ensure you can get your shots in

[alpine trench]

I always use that combo they are so annoying and pinkys too

[icy ice]

One annoying feature is that any enemy fire (fodder, specifically) will cause the marauder to auto-block if close enough so you might fire at an incorrect moment.

[icy ice]

Do you have air control on?

[alpine trench]

Yeah

[icy ice]

You can lunge yourself up and air-control yourself behind a pinky to blood-punch it or ssg it

[tawny elm]

Air control

[alpine trench]

I mostly kill demons with meathook and switch it to ballista and blood punch

[tawny elm]

I use faster glory kill + longer glory kill range

[tawny elm]

I use meathook to chainsaw demons

Even if I'm in range, meathooking them and then chainsawing them upon reaching is satisfying

[icy ice]

Fun fact: on my first nightmare run I got all the way to IoS without air control 😬

[alpine trench]

I use meathook to travel around the map and in the air i use brust rocket

[tawny elm]

I genuinely didn't think I'd enjoy eternal that much when I downloaded BC of all the gore and heavy metal

Now it's one of my favourite games and the soundtrack is my alarm

I've had it for 3 days lmao

[icy ice]

Man I didn't think I'd be into a metal soundtrack as much as I was with Eternal. It's extremely well-done

[tawny elm]

My reaction to beating hell on earth: "holy shit this game is epic"

[tawny elm]

Even if you don't like Doom, you need to admit the soundtrack is amazing

[icy ice]

Though the art style did take some getting used to

[tawny elm]

I'm not stuck in a room with them
THEY'RE STUCK IN A ROOM WITH ME

[tawny elm]

By "art style" I'm guessing you mean the humungous amount of gore?

[alpine plaza]

my reaction to playing hell on earth on ultra nightmare: "holy shit i want to rip my eyes out"

[tawny elm]

My reaction to cacodemons on hurt me plenty: breaking controller noises

[azure oriole]

?

[alpine trench]

Fun fact:My first save on Doom I did not use meat hook even once I didn't know it existed at all

[icy ice]

No I mean how the game looks overall. My first doom game was doom 2016 and I went from hating how red it was to loving the game's aesthetic.

[tawny elm]

Fair enough

I do like how doom doesn't try to be photorealistic like other recent games

The lighting is incredibly well done aswell

[alpine trench]

Yes

[icy ice]

Eternal's art style was weird at first but the gameplay had me hooked and I learned to appreciate it more once I learned more about the classic doom demon style

[tawny elm]

How the hell do I have 4 extra lives?

Where the hell did I get those from lmao

Yes but I usually never have them saved up

[alpine trench]

I just realized that at the stage of Khan maykr

[icy ice]

Do you not hear the sick riff when you pick them up? Lol

[tawny elm]

I do

I'm just wondering how I haven't spent them all yet

No I'm just bad at video games

[icy ice]

So long as you have fun who cares lol

Though there are plenty of collectibles in eternal too

[alpine trench]

I hate football as video game is bullshit

[tawny elm]

Anyway time for Taras Nabad

[azure oriole]

NaBAD

[tawny elm]

I forgot to grab the empyrean key when I did super gore nest and felt like throwing something

I'm not even sure how I missed it

[icy ice]

Ohhhh you gotta do the slayer gate again 😬

[azure oriole]

Good Morning eternal sus chat.

[glossy crane]

Hey, I'm looking for save location for Doom Eternal, can anyone help me?

[half moat]

like where u download it?

[tawny elm]

The slayer gate is fine

It's super gore nest tho

You know
The level where the key is at the literal end

[strange gale]

no noclip

[wary badger]

who wants nightmare tips for new nightmare difficulty players

[tall swallow]

Same

[teal storm]

not exactly new, but i'd like to hear it

[shadow vessel]

dont die

[teal storm]

damn it i wanted to

[strange gale]

"just do/don't do X"

[tawny elm]

Final sin time (to rip and tear, until it is done)

[jolly kernel]

which level in the game has the first appearance of the Cyberdemon Tyrant

[cloud anvil]

Nekravol part 1 IIRC

[teal storm]

super gore nest if you count the happy birthday easter egg (spawns 2 tyrants as a secret secret encounter)
arc complex if you count the slayer gates
otherwise first level with tyrants is nekravol pt1

[jolly kernel]

I get hit pretty often in this game

in big fights, there's many cases where I initially had maxed out armor but then I lose all of it

[flint flame]

Technically arc complex Slayer Gate, but yea

[teal storm]

technically super gore nest if you know about the double tyrant easter egg

[tawny elm]

I mean
Slayer gates count technically

[teal storm]

yeah that's what i said
arc complex if you count slayer gates

[sacred dirge]

Replenish is pretty important. Remember when to where targets are so on

[azure oriole]

gougaru

any news on doom room? you boomer /j

[sacred dirge]

Yeah just waiting for the pinky statue to get here

[azure oriole]

good

[azure oriole]

You’re user reminds me of those tiktok videos i keep seeing of the doom slayer vs raiden shogun😭

[azure oriole]

aww dont mention those

i dont like them too

Then you ain’t gonna like me

Bc i made one, BUT for a good reason

[simple umbra]

I have completed all secret encounters in TAG 1 finally

[sacred dirge]

[azure oriole]

dEmOn kEy

[simple umbra]

key demon

[sacred dirge]

Collect the secrets for the unmcmaker that's actually good

[tawny elm]

Everyone knows the slayer would win

[azure oriole]

Bro probably solos the verse

[tawny elm]

My man could do it with his bare hands

[azure oriole]

Frrr

[flint flame]

De monkey

[azure oriole]

Doom slayer solos so many ppl in fiction

[tawny elm]

I mean
He's a god of pure bloodlust and rage

[jolly kernel]

the Slayer Gate in ARC Complex took me 11 minutes to finish

[flint flame]

That’s fanon

[azure oriole]

De MoNKeY

[fossil terrace]

he just loves his bunny

🐇 bunny man

[azure oriole]

sorry for being a little nerd here, but slayer isnt immortal, yet raiden shogun puppet is kinda immortal the real shogun is inside of her weapon (engulfing lighting) yet the both are still killable in their real human state

but in terms of power and speed or other abilites, both would have their own strengths in some fights.

[tawny elm]

The Slayer isn't physically immortal, but the sheer speed and strength would be near-unmatchable

And if it's just a plain 1v1 with both at their max potential, the slayer would absolutely destroy most things in his path

[azure oriole]

well both are surely unique

[tawny elm]

The Slayer is the literal embodiment of "literally too angry to die"

[azure oriole]

slayer is a killing machine
and shogun has her 2th phase with big sword and with alot of armor which only can be destroyed via geo pyro or electro

[tawny elm]

Let's ignore gameplay mechanics here

[azure oriole]

he still can die tho

[azure oriole]

alr

[tawny elm]

The doom Slayer is a literal vassal of davoth

[azure oriole]

lets ignore my %1 battery

[slow sigil]

doomguy's strength is roughly in line with the gameplay though

[slow sigil]

not really, he only has a small part of his powers

[tawny elm]

That's why I said vassal and not aspect

The Slayer is still incredibly powerful

[slow sigil]

yeah, like as we see ingame

[tawny elm]

Alright then
I'd like to see Raiden Shogun handle the bfg-9000

[azure oriole]

both are powerful characters, one is a god of a region and one is a pre-god

[azure oriole]

fr she would not even be able to handle it

[tawny elm]

Parry this you filthy casual

"warning, the Slayer has control of the BFG"

Oh yeah
Marauders can just sometimes randomly shake off the bfg-9000

Which is stupid
I don't care if they block all projectiles, they shouldn't be able to block the literal demon deleter

[fossil terrace]

Tendrils do damage over time, not insta kill. Any demon that doesn't have their health fully depleted can survive a bfg shot

[slow sigil]

why not

the BFG is just energy, that finds organic matter and tries to charge it or something. a shield is perfectly able to block that

[tawny elm]

Yes but they block a bfg shot that's been fired from across the room

And the tendrils very clearly zap them

It just doesn't do anything

[fossil terrace]

First of all why are you trying to kill a marauder with the bfg, that's a waste. Second, imagine how dumb it would be to just delete a marauder hides my hammer

[tawny elm]

I'm not

[slow sigil]

they try to block it tbf

[tawny elm]

I'm trying to clear the room

[slow sigil]

then maybe use your skills instead of the big cheese 9000

[tawny elm]

Well I'm sorry when there is 2 tyrant's and a pain elemental breathing down my neck

Pulling out the room clearer 9000 seems like a good choice

[slow sigil]

well in that case, you heavily damaged the tyrants meaning you can easily deal with the marauder after ending those tyrnats

[fossil terrace]

idk I actually like that the demon meant to be the closest thing to a slayer's equal has a solution to his most powerful weapon

[tawny elm]

I have skill issues

[slow sigil]

also, marauders are uhhh kinda more zombie then other enemies.

even zombies kinda

[fossil terrace]

They're basically night sentinel zombies

"advanced fodder"

[slow sigil]

yeah, but zombies are quite stupid and are i think less "revived"

[fossil terrace]

True

[azure oriole]

Marauder isn't very clever either...

Oh no a small step, my nemesis

[slow sigil]

they are, just not qua gameplay

[jolly kernel]

do you guys often do the wrong actions during combat?

like, accidentally blood punching a fodder enemy

[azure oriole]

I "love" how prone they are to get stuck in geo and their pathfinding takes ages to realize they are stuck

[fossil terrace]

literally just fat fingering my grenade switch key when marauder comboing and I always feel dumb but, it's such muscle memory, I'm too comfy to change

[midnight sparrow]

My blood punch just randomly triggers for no reason

[slow sigil]

not often anymore

[jolly kernel]

the strategy of killing most heavy enemies seems to be:

freeze+ super shotgun and ballista combo

[midnight sparrow]

PB Rocket works nice to

[slow sigil]

pb combos are better, and you dont always have freeze

plus most fast combos are fast enough to where you dont even need freeze, they die regardless

[fossil terrace]

Pb ballista into ssg is one of the fastest ways to kill a hell knight

I think tho, they finally fixed the item issue on my end

[azure oriole]

Bal pb bal staggers a hell knight

[fossil terrace]

Even better

[burnt moss]

I’m still on the fence about PB combos because 400 isn’t a lot of damage

[slow sigil]

its more about the speed

you swap faster with hc then rockets, ssg, or bal

[burnt moss]

True it’s a faster swap, but at the end of it you just have 400 instead of 8-16 hundred damage. Just how much faster is the swap?

Does anyone have the number of frames for all the swaps?

[slow sigil]

more then 50% faster i thought, bal is even slower then ssg after all

[burnt moss]

I will agree with PB swaps if you’re telling me I can do PB-Rocket-PB in the same time as I can do Rocket-Bal

Actually, it has to be PB-Rocket-PB-Rocket or else it’s a tie

[flint flame]

[burnt moss]

Why not?

[slow sigil]

not really, cause doing rockets faster is the main goal

[burnt moss]

I thought total damage over time was always the goal?

[slow sigil]

time to kill

[burnt moss]

I am still confused about why you guys think that is different from dps

[slow sigil]

it's different by a small margin

[burnt moss]

TTK=HP/DPS

[slow sigil]

not really

cause you need to account for firerate

[burnt moss]

Not really. If my best combo is 2000 dps then a 10000hp demon takes 5 seconds to kill

[slow sigil]

at bigger healthpools, then yeah

[burnt moss]

My point being that you have to calculate DPS to find TTK, so why bother?

[slow sigil]

but for a hellknight which you can end in 3 shots it can definitely makea difference

[burnt moss]

What is that, 2k damage?

[azure oriole]

I'm finally back, my phone went on 0%

[burnt moss]

This is why you collect the freakin sentinel batteries

[slow sigil]

cause in eternal it takes like half a second before your next shot, so something with "less" dps can do it faster if it shoots it's bursts quicker too

[azure oriole]

:catshakehead: (i'm poor I don't have nitro)

[slow sigil]

i'm not an expert on the stats tbf

[fossil terrace]

I shall test

[burnt moss]

So you’re saying if it’s not even going to take a full second then high dps isn’t relevant

[slow sigil]

kinda ig

idk bloodshot is better at explaining this stuff, i just mostly know it works better

[azure oriole]

Bloodshot is the teacher

we are his students

[burnt moss]

If I’m correct your combos have to be demon specific then right ?

[slow sigil]

usually, but pb rocket does the most dps otherwise if you really dont know what to do

[last pewter]

What is pb?

[burnt moss]

Precision bolt

[last pewter]

oh 💀

[burnt moss]

Heavy cannon mod

[last pewter]

I beat the game twice and didn’t know that 💀

[azure oriole]

HeAvY CaNnOn

[fossil terrace]

It takes 2.6 seconds to do ballista rocket ballista while pb rocket is 1.4

Pb rocket is more dps as it deal about 1,000 damage a second max assuming you hit both pb shots and the rocket direct while ballista rocket deals only about 850 a second if you hit all shots direct.

@slow sigil & @burnt moss

[random vault]

or just use FA and always win

[burnt moss]

How long to do just rocket Bal?

[fossil terrace]

Just account for human error, I did as fast as I could with infinite ammo taking my best attempts, putting them in slow mo and getting exact milisecond from when weapon fires to switch to fire to switch to fire to rest.

[fossil terrace]

2.6

[burnt moss]

You said that was the time to do Bal Rocket Bal

[fossil terrace]

1.5 seconds to do that

[burnt moss]

Then Rocket Bal is better

[fossil terrace]

No, I think you misunderstand, when I said this I meant pb rocket pb is 1.4 seconds where as ballista rocket ballista is 2.6

I didn't give either an advantage, I just didn't realize I was writing a scientific paper and had to be exact with my wording

[burnt moss]

At dentist, I’ll pick this up in an hour or two

[fossil terrace]

Okay

[jolly kernel]

man, the meat hook is so useful

all these new additions to DE make 2016 look like a game for babies in comparison

[fossil terrace]

Let me just make it easier to understand lol

With all these, we're ASSUMING you can hit at least splash damage on rocket and/or ballista
(cut it down further but doesn't account for weapon switching before and after)

Precision Bolt -> Rocket -> Precision bolt
1.1 seconds from when firing to next firing
Assuming you hit everything direct = 1,272 dps
Assuming you hit all PB shots = 1000 dps
Assuming you hit only rocket direct = 545 dps

Ballista -> Rocket -> Ballista
1.9 from firing to next firing
Assuming you hit everything direct = 1,157 dps
Assuming you hit all Ballista shots direct = 1,000 dps
Assuming you hit only rocket direct = 347 dps

[azure oriole]

Pb is 400 but the damage comes from the swap weapon.
Like doing pb rocket you are doing 400+900+400+900... damage in rapid succession

[fossil terrace]

Like it isn't faster instant damage but, it adds up much faster as each shot is much quicker and gives more reliable dps

And even so, 200 extra damage isn't that much

[azure oriole]

Also 3-shot combos with pb in between can be very effective.
Like bal pb bal or especially ssg pb ssg which kills everything up to mancubi

(Assuming you land enough pellets, ssg is not good against whiplashes for example)

[fossil terrace]

Unless their faultered

[tranquil galleon]

I just use sshotgun rocket launcher ballista

[azure oriole]

Doesn't make them any bigger targets

Half your pellets miss easily

[flint flame]

Ballista rocket

[sacred dirge]

FA

[azure oriole]

Nothing compares to plasma base fire - heavy cannon base fire combo

[azure oriole]

It legit kills a zombie in 4 days, 15 hours, 47 minutes and 38 seconds!

[burnt moss]

Highest DPS in this comment is still less than Turret

[burnt moss]

Where are you getting your damage numbers? I am coming up with different numbers.

[fossil terrace]

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/

[fossil terrace]

I did the calculations myself tho

[azure forum]

Still better than FA 😂

[next obsidian]

When mega event leaves will I be able to buy the seasons ?

Since I’m currently stuck on wether I should grind for doom 64 slayer or take a chance it’ll appear on the ps store

[azure oriole]

:realization:

[random vault]

?

[azure oriole]

Tied with Unmaykr

[azure oriole]

Weapon damage values are in the pinned message of this chat, too

[burnt moss]

That’s what I was gonna say

What’s the firing rate of FA?

[burnt moss]

I think your calculations were incorrect then. BUT not in a way that’s relevant to this conversation. Because it really seems like PB combos are just about the same DPS as Rocket/Bal etc

@jaunty vapor hey can you explain why TTK is more important than DPS?

[jaunty vapor]

The tldr is that most people look at the DPS of single weapons, when the time to kill is lower if you do weapon swaps.

Arguably you could say the "weapon combo has a DPS" but there's just so much nuance, it's easier to just say TTK matters more.

Especially in the instance of something like Dblade technically not having good "DPS", but it one shots enemies in a very easy fashion, sometimes multiples

Like if I see a Whiplash (or especially a specter Whiplashes), immediately I'll use 2 or 3 charge Dblade.

I say "immediately" it obviously depends on context yada yada but you know what I mean

There's also something like SSG ballista SSG
Vs
SSG pb SSG

It's possible that maaaaybe SSG Ballista SSG has higher DPS, however a Mancubus will die to SSG ssg + one of either PB or ballista, so why use ballista when you could pb instead which is SLIGHTLY faster + more ammo efficient

That's the general idea

[fossil terrace]

which therefore suggests the best general idea, best weapon for best situation. Learning demon health and weapon damage is much more useful than generalized combos in almost all situations.

[jaunty vapor]

Mmm more or less yeah

I don't know the full extent of the conversation though

[fossil terrace]

which does more dps, pb rocket or ballista rocket and which is more generally viable

[jaunty vapor]

Ah

That's actually probably an easy one, PB Rocket and PB Stickies are the only swaps that for some reason transfer pb swap speed to the other weapon (or whatever it is PB rocket ACTUALLY does to make it go faster), so PB rocket is probably higher DPS since youre getting much faster swaps vs. only 400 less damage.

Whether that matters of course is another story. In my head I can't imagine a case I'd want to do ballista rocket or vice versa.

That said I also always hate the "just PB rocket" crowd that think PB rocket solves everything lol

[lapis moss]

empty your bfg ammo or the bruber gets it

[fossil terrace]

it doesn't solve everything, anyone who thinks just a single combo will beat the game for them is being silly. Best "i have no idea what to use" combo because idk you're surrounded and things are going so fast you can't strat, I'd use that.

[burnt moss]

Basically I’m coming out against PB combos because 400 is very low damage. Even if you can get 2 PBS in the place of 1 Bal in the same time, it’s a tie and not better

[fossil terrace]

ammo efficiency is why. equl dps for significantly more shots and faster swaps is an easy pick

[jaunty vapor]

^

[burnt moss]

Unless you ABC. Always Be Chainsawing

[jaunty vapor]

Even in that instance PB is still a better option because that lets you use ballista for ballista boosting, or dblading instead of for combos that PB would have worked for anyways

[lapis moss]

hes dead 😔

[burnt moss]

Good, fuck him

No wait don’t-

[jaunty vapor]

(note I'm not saying the difference between a PB combo and Ballista combo is like a huge margin, but there is a tangible difference)

[fossil terrace]

but, maximizing fodder and ammo capacity is also a skill. you won't be beating nightmare with no ammo upgrade with the mentality that you can do what you want and not be strategic.

[burnt moss]

Why would I want to beat the game without the ammo upgrade?

[fossil terrace]

it's fun, also why not wanna be better?

[burnt moss]

I have difficulty staying on target for multiple shots so fewer shots is better

[jaunty vapor]

Hard disagree on it being fun

[steel canopy]

interesting

[burnt moss]

Handicaps aren’t fun to me. If it was really fun they wouldn’t have made the ammo upgrades

[fossil terrace]

personal preference, it's the only restrictant i can stand unlike weapon or mod restrictions

[jaunty vapor]

Well again, take the Arachnotron or Mancubus example.

1 SSG, 1 shot of PB or Ballista, 1 SSG

If you can use either PB or Ballista, and PB is slightly faster, same aim, and only 6 rifle ammo, it's just generally better against target like that

[fossil terrace]

fair enough

[jaunty vapor]

Ya know that's fair actually.

[steel canopy]

ngl this game would have been so interesting with a doom 3 skin

[burnt moss]

Skins don’t make a game. Nickelodeon’s Smash Bros rip-off is testament to that

[fossil terrace]

I still just use the Ember since i kinda fell in love with it.

[steel canopy]

Especially since this is a single player game

but still

I would be interested

[burnt moss]

Makes sense. I somehow keep bumping the joystick modswap so I’m off target. Once I figure that out I’ll probably like PB a bit more. Except I love holding down fire instead of having to master timing

[steel canopy]

I wish I can get that skin ngl

[fossil terrace]

had to grind for it on the rerun because getting progress on events back when it launched was horrible. no challenges, just like 600 xp on campaign levels at a time.

[steel canopy]

I would play the game if battlemode was more active but even than im trash at battlemode 💀

[steel canopy]

nowadays its so easy

I can get like 10k xp

While using cheats 💀

[fossil terrace]

now i just play TAG1 on repeat

[steel canopy]

I can use the BFG on the last mission and switch too the Maykr 💀

[steel canopy]

I really want to get the dlc so badly 💀

How much XP does it give plus can you use cheats?

[fossil terrace]

same as normal and yeah after playing through

[icy ice]

Thank goodness I downloaded the doom eternal infinite wave mod last night

nexusmods is down right now 😬

[sacred dirge]

Hot

[azure oriole]

Cold

[random vault]

lukewarm

[mortal grail]

I wanna play doom eternal when i get home but i have to do hw

[jolly kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb-Sfq-pqO0

how good am I at the game?

[burnt moss]

What difficulty

[jolly kernel]

hurt me plenty

[umbral smelt]

This marauder makes me wanna die

I can do the other stuff first try but i can't beat one enemy

[burnt moss]

Well you’re not bad. You seem new. Are you new?

[azure oriole]

well he's kinda good as for a newbe, in the game but

I don't see flaming meathook. :miseryHQ:

[simple umbra]

well its ok

wouldn't say its bad

[jolly kernel]

yes

my first time playing the game

[jolly kernel]

I'm close to unlocking it

[azure oriole]

Good.

I always unlock it before DHB (doom hunter base) or SGN (super gore nest) cuz Flaming Meathook is just mvp

[simple umbra]

flaming meathook is a necessary step

[shadow vessel]

I usually unlock it in cultist base or dhb

[jolly kernel]

the meathook is definitely a big part of the gameplay

it sure would feel weird to play 2016 again after DE

[simple umbra]

yea

[jolly kernel]

when his eyes flash green, do a super shotgun and ballista combo on him

he dies easily via that strategy

[azure oriole]

also drop a nade on the ground

that would stagger him for an extra second and it will give you 1 more shot on him

[jolly kernel]

it would be good if frag grenades automatically exploded when they hit an enemy

do you guys think I did noticeable mistakes in the video?

[burnt moss]

Then you’re doing just fine.

[simple umbra]

gregoyle

[jolly kernel]

I like how I tried to glory kill a Whiplash but instead of course blood punched it

[burnt moss]

Not mistakes. Your approach is comparatively pedestrian and slow. You’ve got a much better grasp of air movement than I did my first time though. I had to learn meathook when I fought the Khan Maykr

But I’m comparing you to what I consider optimal play

[jolly kernel]

yeah, it takes me a while to change equipment for example

[shadow vessel]

that happens to everyone

[jolly kernel]

mainly due to the non-stop enemy attacks

[burnt moss]

Equipment, weapons, or mods?

[jolly kernel]

grenades

[burnt moss]

That part is hard to keep track of even for me

[jolly kernel]

also, what do you really mean by ''Your approach is comparatively pedestrian and slow''?

[burnt moss]

You spend a lot of time on the ground while engaging enemies, you take your time picking your target etc. I’ll watch again to see if I want to amend my assessment

[burnt moss]

Did you play Doom 2016?

[jolly kernel]

yes

on ultra-violence

[azure oriole]

Now do ultra nightmare

Get the cheese skin

[sacred dirge]

That's a pretty big jump considering how easy uv In 2016 is

[burnt moss]

You’re playing this game like it’s Doom 2016. There’s a lot more in the way of Eternal’s gameplay that you could maximize. But wait until your next run through to implement other people’s advice

[jolly kernel]

I definitely should be quicker in regards to swapping equipment and weapons

[burnt moss]

The best measure (besides “are you having fun”) is whether you’re actually killing the demons.

[azure oriole]

Here's a tip you can swap weapons quickly to bypass reload times on the ssg ballista rocket or precision bolt

There's even a tip that pops up on arc complex telling you about it

[burnt moss]

I heard 2016 was balanced for UV, Eternal for NM

[azure oriole]

Also after you get the crucible use it on every single super heavy you find

[sacred dirge]

Basically uv is piss easy for even new players and then nightmare busts balls

[azure oriole]

It just one shots everything it touches

[sacred dirge]

The balance is shot. Eternal really fixed it

[jolly kernel]

what things for example?

[burnt moss]

Idk, I felt accomplished beating it on UV after beating it on ITYTD and HMP

[azure oriole]

I think it's funny when you see an archvile after you get the crucible and you have a crucible charge on hand

He just doesn't even get the chance to spawn more than 2 sets of demons

[sacred dirge]

That's epic man! For real. I'm just saying from seeing 2016 people came in saying game is bad uv to easy never playing doom before. Everyone recommends nightmare and they come back saying it's really really hard but more enjoyable

[burnt moss]

Plenty of time for that later. You’re not even dying so no need for adjustment yet. Play the game and have fun. Ask for help if you’re stuck.

[sacred dirge]

I feel play what mode you enjoy

[azure oriole]

Also I managed to get over 30 extra lives by the time I beat Khan mayker

[jolly kernel]

yeah, DE isn't really hard when you get hang of it

[azure oriole]

• I had saving throw lmao

[jolly kernel]

and the gameplay is so damn good, it's like an evolution of 2016's

[sacred dirge]

And that was already amazing

[azure oriole]

I love the dash

[burnt moss]

I work my way into harder difficulties so I don’t hate life

I wish I played 2016 when it came out so I could appreciate the jump to Eternal

[jolly kernel]

I like how DE is more cartoony than 2016. the classic-style enemy designs, pickups are literally rainbows, enemies' heads making a silly pop sound when they explode and a life system

[sacred dirge]

True. Hits different going back and forth then

[jolly kernel]

it gives the game an arcade-feel

[burnt moss]

I really like how clear-cut it is. Pickups and secrets are harder to see in 2016. It’s also a quality I HATE about Doom 1

[steel canopy]

fax

[woeful brook]

Ah fuck

[fossil terrace]

very much so, Nm on 16' Imps can do up to 75 damage on their normal ranged attack

[burnt moss]

What

[woeful brook]

I just joined I didn't know what to say

[magic marsh]

Joined what

[woeful brook]

Went to this server?

Nevermind you get it

[azure oriole]

can someone help me to find the name of 2 skins? (i will dm you the image)

[magic marsh]

Aight

[woeful brook]

Doom 64

Hope I guessed one of them

[magic marsh]

Did you get the images DM’d to you?

[woeful brook]

...

[magic marsh]

No

[azure oriole]

I like how it's either to know where secrets are because they show up on the automap in DE

[tawny elm]

I wish the icon of sin had specific moments where you could leap into it and tear off one of the armour plates with the crucible

Make it less of a "run around and just use the chaingun turret + rocket launcher"

[cloud anvil]

should've made use of the fucking Atlan in the Fortress of Doom

[azure oriole]

That wouldn't fit with the pace of the game

[cloud anvil]

honestly I'm convinced Hugo said "he doesn't need the mech" to shut up the majority of people who would otherwise question why he didn't use it against the Icon

[latent gulch]

Hello

[azure oriole]

He's defeated titans before without the use of mechs according to the codex

[cloud anvil]

I just think it would've been cool

[latent gulch]

So is it just me or the Micro Missiles are not very good DPS wise?

[tawny elm]

Yes but they're fun so I still use them

[latent gulch]

I agree they are fun but I find myself using the HC for the PRecision Bolt alone.

[cloud anvil]

hell, there's other ways to do an Icon fight that isn't just a slight variation on "shoot a wall" even without the use of a mech

[latent gulch]

Aside the Doom Hunter, is there any other enemy who is weak against Micro Missiles?

[tawny elm]

Shadow of the Colossus

[cloud anvil]

hell, I would've taken some vague puzzle elements like Chthon in Quake 1

[tawny elm]

Also the fight isn't exactly hard

[cloud anvil]

I didn't say it was hard

[tawny elm]

You get an endless supply of crucible pips and bfg ammo

[tawny elm]

I know, just pointing out it doesn't feel like a final boss

I had more trouble with the gladiator then the icon

[azure oriole]

Bfg ammo doesn't respawn but yeah

[latent gulch]

I disagree, on Nightmare the Icon punches are nothing to scoff at.

[tawny elm]

It doesn't?

[tawny elm]

Yeah but on nightmare everything is going to shred you

[latent gulch]

On Ultra Nightmare my Saving Throw was activated during Phase One.

For me Eternal Icon is one of the best end fights in First Person Shooters but this genre in particular has never had good end bosses.

Bioshock series is a collection of bad endbosses.

[cloud anvil]

the Maledict is my favorite Doom final boss

[latent gulch]

I am starting Doom 3 just in time for Halloween, I have never beat the game, I always stop midway.

[sacred dirge]

[empty drum]

Hello

[azure oriole]

omg zombies, my death is inevitable

[azure oriole]

Gladiator is actually easier than Icon Of Sin, maybe you're doing something wrong, or just inexperienced yet to know how to fight Gladiator easier.

[tawny elm]

I know gladiator is easy

[mossy lotus]

doom eternal is so fucking easy

[fickle totem]

I'm sure there's mods that make it harder than ultra nightmare. Try your hand at those if ultra nightmare is a tutorial at this point

[split elm]

doing a UN run, any tips?

[wraith crag]

try not to die that'd be bad

[split elm]

yes it would be very bad

[fickle totem]

Switch weapons before picking something up

[split elm]

already beat game on nightmare relatively low deaths and have beaten 2016 on nightmare countless times. Always too scared to attempt UN until now

[split elm]

why would that be

[wraith crag]

try to memorize enemy spawns and kill them before anyone becomes an issue

[split elm]

Yeah, overwhelming is bad

[fickle totem]

Because it can get you killed. Picking something up makes you immovable but susceptible to death. Switching weapons right before picking up something or activating something lets you pick up and keep right on moving

[split elm]

oh, why would I be picking anything up in the middle of battle

but yes, if I must, I will

[fickle totem]

You wouldn't. But there's normally always enemies around when you pick something up or activate something

[split elm]

yeah, that's true, make it easy to react immediately

[strange gale]

there's a certain battery in exultia that you can pick up while enemies are in the area, i've lost a UN run to dying during the pickup anim

[split elm]

will watch out for that

I'm on celestial locator one

cannot remember name for the life of me

[fickle totem]

Isn't that exultia?

[split elm]

I think so

[fickle totem]

Yeah, it's just the second part of the mission is in hell, which is where the batteries are

[split elm]

yeah, I just activated the laser gun mech thingy

the only part I'm worried about is when the snake dudes and the carcasses come in

and the maurader, but he's not too bad

man this game looks beautiful on UN graphics though

[wraith crag]

I've done the same thing 💀

[fickle totem]

I've not, I've only heard about it because it's a common mistake people do in their first UN runs

[split elm]

I just died to something I couldn't even see man

okay I give up for tonight, got stuff tomorrow

this mode should be called masochist mode

[sturdy saffron]

On Friday I'm gonna start my gold slayer skin journey

[void grove]

well here's hoping you manage to complete the journey

[sturdy saffron]

[sacred dirge]

I recommend a alt nightmare save for arena practice while doing a first un attempt. Alot better than when I just went for a nightmare no death attempt first.

[still palm]

made it past Doom hunter base in UN

[sturdy saffron]

Nice

[little pawn]

Today I killed 397 demons (yes i do count) and I'll keep going,

[visual citrus]

alright, so, obviously i don't play doom for the plot but like

the plot in d2016 was just so good, that the plot in eternal being really retcon-y was rather disappointing

especially in terms of the plot elements from TAG 1 and 2, which destroyed samuel hayden and made weird changes to the way demons work

[stoic vine]

Dude the ending d2016 I was so mad at that it's just Samuel with the crucible

[visual citrus]

samuel worked better as an intelligent human with a gray sense of morality, rather than

y'know, another maykr

the maykrs are also kind of jarring as a whole, since their presence isn't really hinted towards very well in 2016, but they're absolutely everywhere in eternal

[cloud anvil]

honestly I consider the Slayer actually being Doomguy itself to be a retcon

[cloud anvil]

most there is is one of the MP maps in 2016 looking like Maykr tech but I don't believe they really planned Eternal that far ahead

and another MP map has this statue with Ranak's helmet

[cloud anvil]

anyways back on this yeah, I don't think id really intended this while doing 2016's lore

they just kinda gave into fan theories

I kinda want to see the alternate timeline where Eternal revealed that the Slayer was actually the Betrayer like some other people theorized just to see the fan reaction lmao

[versed lily]

wait is slayer not supposed to be doom guy?

[cloud anvil]

he is
well, I don't think id intended 2016 to imply it but it was a common theory after 2016 released

that id made canon with Eternal

[visual citrus]

d2016 was probably always intended to be a d64 sequel, since (correct me if i'm wrong) hugo martin was a huge fan of d64 even while designing 2016

[cloud anvil]

2016 doesn't imply anything about the Sentinel civil war either and the green Sentinels that became Marauders

the way they described the Marauder and Doom Hunter at QuakeCon 2018 made me think they were gonna be singular characters

a lot of people theorized the Marauder was the Betrayer, I wonder if anyone theorized he was the Wretch

and for the Doom Hunter in particular they straight up called it the Slayer's "arch-nemesis"

[visual citrus]

i feel like eternal's story is too convoluted, and relies way too much on telling instead of showing

nothing about it really feels "doom-y"

[cloud anvil]

like literally everything with the ARC

they should've had like ARC mechs kicking ass in the background of ARC Complex or something

[visual citrus]

doom's stories are supposed to be simple, motivating you to push forward and increase immersion to the world, which doom 2016 did quite well

[cloud anvil]

also like the "Mysterious Voice" subtitle in Khan Maykr's death cutscene
they changed that to "Dark Lord" in an update and the changed it back in a later update

which basically shows that they just made shit up as they went along

2016's story was done rather late into development but it did a way better job of hiding how cobbled together it was IMO

[visual citrus]

yeah, exactly

[cloud anvil]

like there's some gaps if you think about it like the Praetor Suit looking man-made rather than demon-made like it is in the lore but otherwise yeah

[visual citrus]

the "wretches" are a term that the demons used to refer to the sentinels, so the "wretch who shall not be named" is actually a sentinel, implying that the praetor suit is a sentinel adaptation of the UAC marine armor

[cloud anvil]

oh

[visual citrus]

so it's not demon made

[cloud anvil]

Doomwiki says this

The Praetor suit is said by the demons to have been forged, or at least upgraded, by a traitor to Hell's cause known only as "the wretch," and their writings claim that the suit was made in Hell itself.

[visual citrus]

it was, indeed, forged in hell, according to the codex entries

[cloud anvil]

honestly I do like the base concept of Davoth looking like Doomguy, but in the way that it's a form he chose to rule over Hell with and that his true form is incomprehensible

[visual citrus]

but it's not said that the wretch is a traitor to hell

[visual citrus]

perhaps, but davoth as a whole is kind of a weird addition to doom's story

[cloud anvil]

also "the demons are soulless humans" is like one step away from the 2005 movie's C24 crap and two steps away from the novels' Freds and Newbies bullshit

[visual citrus]

exactly, i hated that retcon

the possessed soldiers are soulless humans, sure, but imps? other demons?

[cloud anvil]

I don't think Eternal mentions the other three Dark Lords that 2016 mentioned

sometimes I just don't like the Slayer lore in general

it feels like a misguided attempt at appealing to the bigger fans

taking inspiration from a comic that was once reviled and possibly also a controversial mod also inspired by said comic

[still palm]

I just died on the Super gore nest Slayer gate on UN

[cloud anvil]

the real fucking kicker tho is some of the stuff Hugo said in his TAG streams

like "the Slayer doesn't need guns to kick ass"

[visual citrus]

yeah, doom eternal seems to really hate humanity

[cloud anvil]

which propels him to an even higher level of God Sue than Eternal already made him

I think id straight up forgot Doomguy's humanitarian aspects

even 2016 had something like that implied in the intro in the elevator

[visual citrus]

samuel hayden isn't allowed to be human, the slayer isn't allowed to be human

[cloud anvil]

and the Primeval shit sucked out what last few ounces of "just a guy" Doomguy had left to him

[visual citrus]

exactly

[versed lily]

going for 100%?

[still palm]

not really just doing it for the weapon upgrade points

[cloud anvil]

and this is also why he destroyed the Argent filters in 2016, he hated how the Argent research was putting lives at risk

[visual citrus]

exactly, especially considering 2016's slayer is a man who has supposedly witnessed a number of full-scale hell invasions caused by argent research

he felt like a human character, trying to prevent the same events that led to the original doom 2

[cloud anvil]

I think before the Slayer lore was written up the Doom Hero (early name for the Slayer) was a RoboCop-esque cyborg

there was that F-90 on the Praetor Suit's helmet in the E3 2015 footage

(I think as a nod to Pacific Rim as Hugo worked on that movie and an F-90 designation shows up in concept art)

[visual citrus]

yeah, in pre-release, 2016's marine would've donned UAC armor at the very least, since there aren't any hellish motifs in the beta praetor suit design

since obviously the slayer mark was instead the F-90 logo

[cloud anvil]

Foundry was one of the earliest levels they designed for 2016

I can only vaguely assume what plot they had at that point from the 2014-era footage they showed at QC 2016
https://youtu.be/Sxd7JVibP_s?t=467

the ARC Intern in TAG is the closest thing to whoever the fuck that nerd speaking in the player's ear was in that clip

[versed lily]

combining this with Hugo telling us 'We're the intern" is hilarious

[azure oriole]

Fuck I'm glad they scrapped that

[visual citrus]

yeah, no, some nerdy scientist named "spencer" is definitely no samuel hayden

i'm definitely happy with most of the plot in 2016, but i do wish he stayed fully human, rather than being "bestowed with terrible power and speed"

it's like an athlete using a massive amount of performance enhancers, y'know?

[versed lily]

yeah i like thinking of him as a human whos just mad as shiet at the demons

[visual citrus]

and he has every right to be that mad, since they killed his friends, family, pet, etc.

[versed lily]

rip Daisy

[waxen field]

I think it makes sense it helps match the lore with the game play, like how he gets hp from enemies and stuff

[visual citrus]

in d2016's codex, it says "For he alone could draw strength from his fallen foes, and ever his power grew, swift and unrelenting."

however, the siphon grenade description says that there are argent receptors on the praetor suit itself

which implies that the glory kills are actually just the suit absorbing argent energy and healing the slayer with it

[waxen field]

Probably both

[random vault]

hi

[waxen field]

Also no human can do glory kills

[random vault]

i can

[waxen field]

Prove it

[random vault]

i ripped a guys skull in half the other day

[visual citrus]

it's odd that the slayer still gets as much, if not more HP from glory kills in eternal, since he doesn't have the praetor suit at all

[waxen field]

I beat all of North Korea

[visual citrus]

his combat suit in eternal is completely separate, since the praetor suit is undergoing repairs seemingly

[azure oriole]

Gameplay > lore

[random vault]

irl gore isn’t allowed here

[versed lily]

havent watched the punisher i see 😉

[versed lily]

just throw the doom hud on the pic n say its fan art

[random vault]

100% agree, good gameplay is way more important then the lore

[visual citrus]

i agree, eternal is pretty fun, but it's still fun to compare the stories between the games

[waxen field]

Say it’s on ultra 4k with raytracing

[random vault]

you could have the best gameplay ever with the goofiest, shittiest lore, and ill play it over and over simply for gameplay

[visual citrus]

in other words, doom eternal

[versed lily]

and if the gameplay was shit we wouldnt all be siting here in the "eternal-chat"
lol

[random vault]

and when a game cares more about its lore and just puts gameplay as a second priority, i sleep

[waxen field]

Bayonetta be like

[versed lily]

unskippable cutscenes <<<<

[random vault]

doom eternal gameplay is eh

[visual citrus]

i'm willing to bet the reason why the praetor suit is undergoing repairs is that the slayer is trying to get rid of that tether that hayden installed

[azure forum]

Eternals lore isn't great, but the gameplay is outstanding

[visual citrus]

i think it's pretty fun, but it's certainly not a continuation of the doom gameplay style in any sense

[visual citrus]

fnaf moment

[versed lily]

wonder what the next game will be like

[waxen field]

Are you talking about bayo or in general cause Bayo doesn’t have that issue.

Doom 2016 though

[burnt moss]

Yeah he does

[versed lily]

nah i havent played bayo yet, i just meant in general, esp for games you plan on repeating

[visual citrus]

again, the eternal suit is different, and we can see the 2016 one undergoing repairs in the fortress

[random vault]

fnaf is fun to play tho

[visual citrus]

i meant fnaf games after 4, apologies

[waxen field]

Like seriously who complains about Eternal’s cutscenes and says 2016 was better in that aspect.

2016 had long ass unskippable secenes

[burnt moss]

But you collect Praetor Suit Upgrade points and apply them in eternal

[random vault]

ive played them all, they are all good in there own ways, fnaf isnt an i sleep moment

[burnt moss]

I hate Doom 1

[waxen field]

The ones after 4 seem kinda unfair

[random vault]

wym “unfair”

[waxen field]

From the footage I saw they looked unfair

[versed lily]

2016 came out during my 7 yr gaming break so ive yet to play through it

[waxen field]

FNAF 6 especially

[random vault]

false asf

[visual citrus]

except for security breach, fuck security breach

[random vault]

fnaf pizza sim is incredible

[random vault]

fnaf security breach is good

they fixed all the bugs and even added some free new content

also they announced free dlc coming 2023

and ngl, i thought fnaf security breach was good when i first played it, or was so glitchy and goofy it was more a funny experience then horror

[waxen field]

The amount of tines I saw someone die in 6 without being able to do anything.

That didn’t seem to be an issue in the earlier games

[random vault]

maybe at the time i disliked cuz it fucked with the story, but now that i look back, its a good game

[random vault]

the 10% is where boys become real men

[waxen field]

Rng sim seems lame. The vr one where you work on the animatronics and all looked cool though.

[random vault]

(the 10% is a built in chance that no matter whatever the fuck you do, the animatronics kill you anyways)

i played through the game and got all endings, its good

[waxen field]

Also 5 seemed easy outside of 1 bs moment

[random vault]

and yes fnaf help wanted + dlc is great

even tho i have to play it on ps:vr

[random vault]

night 4

[waxen field]

Honestly they shoulda ended at 3 or 4, except helped wanted that one is cool

[random vault]

uh, sure

[azure oriole]

6 was good at least story wise

[random vault]

pizza sim is awesome and nobody will change my mind