doom-eternal

[copper night]

Doom

[burnt moss]

Second. No place to hide etc.

My Switch can’t handle them haha.

[icy ice]

The middle has some cover underneath stuff I think

[burnt moss]

Yeah kinda. Still super unstable overall, and I do not adapt well.

[ripe osprey]

Guys which one is the one that markiplier played on doom part 1

[junior mortar]

doom eternal? or doom 2016

[slow sigil]

For

Nvm i just didnt egt the first guy's question correctly i think

[junior mortar]

doom eternal, 1 vs 1,000,000
doom 2016, knee deep in the dead
(i think if i remember i forgor)

[grave quartz]

Which part 1?

[ripe osprey]

The first one of the playlist

Not the 2016 one

[grave quartz]

Uh

The knee deep in the dead?

[ripe osprey]

The 1vs1000000

One

[grave quartz]

Doom Eternal

[ripe osprey]

Yeah idk which one what i'm supposed to buy i just googled it but i still don't know cause i'm that stupid

[grave quartz]

I'd recommend playing 2016 first

[ripe osprey]

Mind sending me a link?(the one i asked for)

[grave quartz]

Damn

https://store.steampowered.com/app/782330/DOOM_Eternal/

Steam

DOOM Eternal

Hell’s armies have invaded Earth. Become the Slayer in an epic single-player campaign to conquer demons across dimensions and stop the final destruction of humanity.The Only Thing they Fear... Is You.Experience the ultimate combination of speed and power in DOOM Eternal - the next leap in push-forward, first-person combat.Slayer Threat Level At ...

Price

$39.99

Recommendations

137476

Metacritic

88

▶ Play video

Or

Bruh

[ripe osprey]

Thx

[grave quartz]

Wouldn't pay €39,99 if I were you though

Just look online on sites like isthereanydeal.com

[ripe osprey]

Oh

[grave quartz]

Or gg.deals

[ripe osprey]

Mind sending me a link?

[grave quartz]

Use google and the server doesn't allow me to send those links

[ripe osprey]

Ok

[ripe osprey]

I'm supposed to buy the standard right?

[grave quartz]

Whatever you want

[ripe osprey]

For the version i want

[grave quartz]

The DLC is a continuation of the story and it is good, but you can always buy it later on

[ripe osprey]

Ok

[grave quartz]

You seem very unsure about all of this, have you bought games before?

[ripe osprey]

Yeah but not online

I just used to visit game stops with my friends but i moved

[grave quartz]

Aha

Well steam is a great platform

Very easy

[ripe osprey]

Alr thx

[azure oriole]

cuz they can be killed in 3seconds

Slob

This chat really is eternal

[floral ore]

[azure oriole]

Basically, falter the Marauder in any way, throw 1/2 grenades and LOB him, easy.

With many distraction like Mecha zombies or another Marauder or whatever that strategy is hard to do since LOB can mess up, or Marauder will just keep using his shield, or even it's too risky to fight back.

once this shit happens when I do the first slob but somehow he activates his shield before I fire the 2th slob cuz some enemy fired at him

and then it just goes straight to hell

[azure oriole]

At least another 1 cycle SSG + Ball + SSG will finish him

[azure oriole]

when you have 10 barons on your back it will be hard

[azure oriole]

True.

like marauder is that shit. kill him in 1 cycle and hope that he will not activate his shield or carefully kill him while you have 10barons on your back

I personally hate his dogs and his axe attack it deals good dmg

His dogs are not a big of a problem unless you're distracted.

[azure oriole]

I am always distracted

Yep.

can you Imagine I died like a game journalist by self dmg with rocket launcher

Yeah I can imagine that.

[viscid quest]

Yo, how do I get the Doom 3 skin for Eternal?

Hey, maybe I wanna be able to not see anything while playing Eternal ;_;

[azure oriole]

Blindfold 100% moment

[viscid quest]

Let's not talk about Postal 3

[strange gale]

1. lob only "messes up" due to user error aka bad inputs
2. a single pb is enough to falter a mara, in fact it's coded to be a hard falter in this context. they can't break out of that so mechas are not really a factor there. pb > frag > dual slob is consistent pretty much everywhere.

[azure oriole]

Okay maybe I was wrong

[stoic patio]

you can't just shoot a hole into the surface of mars

[azure oriole]

Not really, but I only played too much of Base campaign on UN.

[azure oriole]

same...

[stoic patio]

ok

true

[azure oriole]

that ain't even that annoying smh...

[stoic patio]

but that green flash is cool tho

[azure oriole]

Uhhh... Have you really ever tried UN?

Alright.

not that much.

I only got it in 16 attempts.

[stoic patio]

like, imagine if the voice said the full name like, "the Big Fucking Gun 10k is firing"

[azure oriole]

Certainly you didn't, but you know freedom of speech or something like that.

[stoic patio]

the cooler BFG

[azure oriole]

It is not even anime...

but alright, what ya say. my opinion is Invalid, cuz of my anime pfp

I can't do much I guess... you got me into checkmate

[stoic patio]

me every morning

[azure oriole]

bet!

[warm smelt]

I got the popcorn ready

[azure oriole]

I got the whole food and drink here

[stoic patio]

yes

[cedar bolt]

i got it in more than a 100 attempts

i am not even joking
It was horrible

[azure oriole]

I feel you. I died to khan once

[cedar bolt]

i died to a zombie at sin's phase 2

[azure oriole]

damn... that's pain

ok

[stoic patio]

[cedar bolt]

funny enough

The tag1 dlc seems easier to me

[azure oriole]

he didn't said that he hates tag 2

Well, how about you?

[cedar bolt]

i dont get it
are you trying to be funny

[azure oriole]

he said that TAG 1 is easier for him

still better than crucible. but ok

[cedar bolt]

10x more useful and better

[azure oriole]

Then don't use the Hammer, what's the problem?

unbind the hammer <: problem done.

Then?

[cedar bolt]

ok then why are you complaining

[azure oriole]

exactly? then what's the problem

You don't want the entire community to use the Hammer?

[warm smelt]

Guys this is the best part of the movie!

[cedar bolt]

you acting like you're a god in the game

[stoic patio]

so am i the only one who think the Davoth should have transformed into some kind of Baron of hell thing for the final fight?

[cedar bolt]

I didnt even say you suck, i just said you act like you're a god

ok cool
and

[azure oriole]

Holy shit TAG 1 with the Hammer

[azure oriole]

wait TAG 1 has a hammer? I mean bloodshot has a video on how to give yourself a hammer In TAG 1.

[cedar bolt]

trust me, it works with mods
played campaign with hammer for fun

[chrome wren]

what's this hammer hate about?

[azure oriole]

Not really, I just make a joke out of it.

[cedar bolt]

its a console command

[azure oriole]

same same

[azure oriole]

Basically, Kenner said it's too OP.

[chrome wren]

he can just suck it up and not use the hammer

[cedar bolt]

someone being a scrub

[proven swift]

meanwhile here I completed un in my 1st attempt 👍 💀

[cedar bolt]

Nah mate i beat UN Campaign, tag1 and 2 with no guns

[azure oriole]

The Doom Slayer has gone full Berserk

[chrome wren]

"I'm super good at this game because i beat this game 23 centillion times on the hardest difficulty with both thumbs up my butthole"

[cedar bolt]

50 times bro 💀

[proven swift]

You are the champion

[chrome wren]

okay?

and what does that prove? That the hammer shouldn't be used?

[azure oriole]

Go protest to Hugo Martin instead of us.

[chrome wren]

okay but you could just... not use it

[azure oriole]

Okay well we can stop the Hammer topic and move on

[chrome wren]

instead of causing this argument

[cedar bolt]

bro i beat DOOM Eternal
Blindfolded
No hands
No monitor
No weapons
On Ultra Nightmare
And both DLCS
to add it up
no hammer

[chrome wren]

he was mocking you

[azure oriole]

Good, then you can just stop this Hammer hate topic and move on

I'm slowly getting sick of this guy

[chrome wren]

okay?

[cedar bolt]

can we ratio this guy

[warm smelt]

Sure

[azure oriole]

Sure.

[proven swift]

did you atleast use keyboard or any input lol?

[chrome wren]

ah, the true classic, resorting to your mom insult

[stoic patio]

haha funny "your mom" joke

[cedar bolt]

Hell nah

bro i didnt even use a pc i beat it in my mind

[azure oriole]

hey guys. I can't talk cuz you know egirls and anime pfp's ppl shouldn't supposed to be talking, so I can't go into this argument

Haha so funny I rolled to the ground and laugh until tears coming out

[stoic patio]

k

[cedar bolt]

fam i have guts from berserk as my pfp

[chrome wren]

meanwhile i beat doom eternal modded ultra nightmare extreme hardcore mastery dlc included potato pc blindfolded keyboard gone mouse gone no game challenge

[cedar bolt]

check #screenshots

[chrome wren]

that's about what I expected

[stoic patio]

i think she does

[proven swift]

man your mind excelled even that of the slayer's

[valid wren]

That person only has some kind of girl in their profile, why are you so upset lmao

[cedar bolt]

Fuck nah
I beat Davoth in real life

[azure oriole]

Then do something if you want to do whatever the fuck you dream.

[valid wren]

Dont you have anything else to do in your life?

[chrome wren]

says the person telling people to hang themselves because of their pfp

[proven swift]

👍 💀

[cedar bolt]

i dont know if this guy is being dead serious or trolling 💀 💀

[azure oriole]

You're sitting on your chair or idk and then start this stupid argument everytime

[chrome wren]

i also want to point out that your pfp makes you look like a 6 year old

[warm smelt]

My default Pfp is better

[azure oriole]

Add the jokes, probably more fit.

[cedar bolt]

Bosses were mad easy
Icon of sin fucked up my house doe 💀 💀

[azure oriole]

True.

[cedar bolt]

People who use default pfp are automatically chads
Cant change my mind

[stoic patio]

i bet you beat it without even looking at him

[azure oriole]

I felt Gladiator is a joke once I can speedrun killing him, poor boss.

[chrome wren]

I expect him to mumble something insane about how he's the hero and that everyone wants to pray and bow to him because he beat doom eternal while also playing all the other doom games while taking a shit in the corner upside down

[azure oriole]

ok

[chrome wren]

if you expect that to make you seem like a better person, then you're a fucking idiot

[stoic patio]

that doesn't change anything

[cedar bolt]

reminder i beat DOOM Eternal in real life blindfolded on ultra nightmare, no legs, on a wheelchair, on potato graphics with a spoon, all bosses included plus dlcs

[chrome wren]

pinging the mod for this seems tempting

would you care about mod involvement?

[stoic patio]

true gamer chad

[azure oriole]

Bro you should try without your body, I heard it's hard

[cedar bolt]

<@&162901871168585728> we need some help

[cedar bolt]

gotchu here

[warm smelt]

Ok

[azure oriole]

Neither us.

[cedar bolt]

ok then you can spare mods work for them and leave yourself

[chrome wren]

this dude is managing to suck his dick from inside his asshole

[stoic patio]

so smart ngl

[cedar bolt]

done

[azure oriole]

How was it?

[cedar bolt]

speedrun, world record 00:00:01

[chrome wren]

honestly i might ping kevan as he's the only staff around that's online

[cedar bolt]

a bit difficult

[spare marsh]

Already on it

[azure oriole]

Holy shit teach me man

[chrome wren]

ah ok

[spare marsh]

No ban. Only mute.

[cedar bolt]

HOLY SHIT HES AWAKENED

[spare marsh]

Forever

They can find the door themselves

[azure oriole]

cuz your ego is being sky rocketed over hell and earth. and you tell me to be executed or smth like that, which is kinda pathetic. cuz judging ppl of their profile and description automatically makes you the worse person alive.

[chrome wren]

apologies for crashing your parade, but I feel like nobody liked being a part of it

[azure oriole]

Thank you.

Thank you kevan.

[cedar bolt]

thanks kevan!

[azure oriole]

Anyways, let's move on quickly.

[spare marsh]

👍

[chrome wren]

I half expected him to just tell me to go choke on chlorine for having a furry pfp

[azure oriole]

anyways I can finally share my opinoins about things

[stoic patio]

[chrome wren]

that was something to say the least

[warm smelt]

When is Super Turbo Turkey Puncher 4 going to come out?

[valid wren]

Not ban? why? isnt this a severe case?

[chrome wren]

now we gotta hope he doesn't dm users and cause more trouble from there

though that's probably a one way ticket to being exiled from both heaven and hell

[azure oriole]

He spams emoji to me.

[chrome wren]

and he just dmed me and is spamming me

[cedar bolt]

easy just do the space binding and use the weapon wheel to go at an edge and launch yourself then throw the spoon at bosses while holding the weapon wheel (it deals damage in slow motion like doom 2016) then go slap hayden in the face
ggs

[azure oriole]

really?

I mean my dm's are open I am thinking what he would say

[azure oriole]

Yeah, starts with spamming GB flag, and then green checkmark, and then nerd emoji.

[azure oriole]

makes him even worse

[stoic patio]

block

[chrome wren]

i just responded with "suck on these nuts" before blocking immediately

also found out he's in 2 mutual servers

so if he does cause trouble in those servers he's going to get worn like a cheap sock

[azure oriole]

I just said "Ignore dumb people" and stopped right away.

Might want to add some extra spice to him, any ideas?

[azure oriole]

what he thinks about me he was very mad at me he hated me

[cedar bolt]

Best we put the lid and stop this case

we want the mods mad at him not mad at us

[azure oriole]

Sure

[chrome wren]

in the meantime i'll keep an eye out for an attack or raid in the 2 mutual servers he shares with me outside of this one

[valid wren]

how about times when people got banned immediately just because they seemed homophobic or one time when someone got a strike and said that he claimed it had no reason and proceeded to say something like 'i dont care i will have a laugh with my friends' or something like that and got banned shortly after, it wasnt even a severe case, this guy just told somebody they should die just because they have somekind of anime pfp or whatever

I call that severe

[azure oriole]

he judged me by my pfp and description. and also that me nor egirls have no opinion on nothing

[valid wren]

yeah thats what im saying why isnt he banned from all people

[cedar bolt]

aint no fucking way this man reacted at my message

[spare marsh]

Moving on is highly encouraged

[azure oriole]

Just ignore dumb people, don't be a dumb person and be a good person.

[cedar bolt]

Aye-aye, chief!

[azure oriole]

I am good person. trying not to sky rocket my ego yk

[azure oriole]

Good job! Keep going!

having respect to everyone trying not to swear

[proven swift]

But how to beat doom eternal with nothing ?

[azure oriole]

hmm kill ai

[chrome wren]

I'm a pretty decent person but can be pretty merciless to assholes

[cedar bolt]

i explained it

[azure oriole]

Same.

[cedar bolt]

here

[proven swift]

without mind?

[azure oriole]

Thank you Master, now I shall commit no life trying to master this for eons.

[cedar bolt]

hell nah

[chrome wren]

it's easy, you just rip a singularity into space and time in order to speedrun through the entirety of doom eternal

[cedar bolt]

Make me proud, my student, imma go eat

[azure oriole]

Yes, master!

[valid wren]

Alright but why not banned? he has done as much wrong as other people that got banned, thats my last comment on this, i will stop talking about it

[valid wren]

Im talking this out of context

[spare marsh]

We do not discuss these things

[azure oriole]

No no no don't

[valid wren]

I will

[azure oriole]

Nooooo With Khan maykr tone

Okay I just want to play DE again, these arguments stopped me.

[valid wren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786504233511419914/1006529591592095804/unknown.png

[azure oriole]

if he will comeback... then he will, spread all these things all over again

[spare marsh]

Y’know. The idea of muting them was to show them how much you guys would move the heck on about it

Guess you proved that wrong

Is the subject dropped now? @valid wren

[warm smelt]

His fight will be eternal.

[chrome wren]

he's attacking a server that i used to be staff in for 9 months

🤦‍♂️

[spare marsh]

I really shouldn’t have to repeat myself

[valid wren]

yep bud

[spare marsh]

Moving on does include everyone in here

Do your guy’s part and quit feeding the troll

[azure oriole]

Understood.

[cedar bolt]

hows yer day, kev?

[azure oriole]

Yes sir. Understood.

[spare marsh]

Trying to go back to bed

[cedar bolt]

ah alright, rest well, chief

[wraith sail]

People be saying "Oh just forgive them" or "Just ignore them" but I just wanna go fucking ballistic

[cedar bolt]

progress?

[azure oriole]

After Eons I did it.

What was that Mickey mouse shit

[chrome wren]

?

did i miss something

[timid plank]

I’m generally a very mature person but if someone has truly done me wrong, I get petty as fuck. I don’t forgive that shit

[cedar bolt]

GG

[chrome wren]

when i get annoyed or mad

or just dont like someone, then I shall be feared

for i will not physically confront, but physiologically by smiting them with words

[cedar bolt]

i simply like to make fun of the person lmao

[chrome wren]

or just, insulting the hell out of them

[cedar bolt]

thats fair

lets leave this off and talk about something else

kevan did say to stop the case

[chrome wren]

yeah

[timid plank]

Hey I’m not taking revenge or anything, I just don’t let the person back into my life, that’s all

[strange gale]

without depth perception, but not blind

...which still works as an analogy

[flint flame]

“yeah but i think people are morons sadly, and i have a hard time lowering myself to that IQ level”

That you?

Don’t know how you came to that assumption but pop off

Still, it speaks greatly about what kind of a person you are

But yeah, back to eternal

[timid plank]

How do you guys play so fast with quick swapping and stuff on top of moving all around avoiding getting hit

[chrome wren]

https://tenor.com/view/choujeki-eating-popcorn-gif-14739088

i dont have a macro

[azure oriole]

what is macro?

[gray rivet]

Wgat platform are you playing on? Console I assume?

[timid plank]

Pc

I’m just not used to such fast pace, I mean I was able to get away with slightly slower pace doing uv but it’s killing me in nightmare difficulty

[chrome wren]

I just move a ton and usually in circles while scrolling back and forth at a consistent pace

it's just instinct to me at this point

[gray rivet]

Watch xamide play, that may help as well

[cedar bolt]

doktor

you said how do we play with high speed, right?

[cedar bolt]

oh wait that was turan, my bad

apologies

[gray rivet]

It's fine that there is two different styles imo

I love them both

[chrome wren]

i swear if this argument starts again...

[gray rivet]

All good

[timid plank]

When I played Doom 2016 and then saw gameplay for Eternal I thought I’d hate it cause I was so in love with the darkness and grit of 2016 but then I actually played Eternal and was fine with the tone (still prefer 2016’s tone but Eternal gameplay is more satisfying)

[gray rivet]

They are both different. If you like eternal more. Nice! If you like 2016 more, nice!

[timid plank]

I feel like the conflict isn’t toxic though in most cases, it’s just I prefer this to that. I don’t know any actual Doom fan truly hating either of those games

[cedar bolt]

basically
bindings

i have mine set like this
Heavy cannon - Y (pc)
Combat Shotgun - T
SSG - 1
Ballista - 2
RL - 3
plasma rifle - 4
chaingun - 5
BFG - 6
Rest is the same, but basically
I like to have my weapon bindings set to whatever is the closest and is easier for me to reach (i got a 60% keyboard, small, and i can reach it)
Going faster, you have to keep moving around, i like to jump all the time whenever i'm in combat, and use my environment to boost myself in anyway.
For example, Blood swamps arenas, low health, no chainsaw gas, i use the medkits nearby, if i have to avoid being damaged, i keep dashing in ways i dont get hit.
Not saying you should study every location of items and such, just try to be really focused on your environment.

[gray rivet]

Wha?

[cedar bolt]

???

[timid plank]

Yeah I think I should try to come up with a better bind for my weapon binds cause on my bigass laptop keyboard I find it hard to reach for the right number at times while on the move

I have the default ones rn

I might replay Doom 2016 at some point cause my first play through I didn’t do much exploring, barely picked up any codexes

[cedar bolt]

You can give a try with mine

[flint flame]

Classic doom was cartoonish in nature too lmfao

[wraith sail]

soulspheres

[flint flame]

Your weakness is that you literally are unable to hear anyone’s opinion except your own

[timid plank]

I’m guessing they meant that 2016 ended in a way that is hard to start a new game from, so they went with a time jump

[wraith sail]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-argument-really-annoying-people-gif-26029811

[azure forum]

If ypu think eternal isn't great, you probably don't like fast FPS. Sure, 2016 story and ambient are superior, but eternals combat is just outstanding.

[wraith sail]

He probably doesn't dislike all fast fps like Ultrakill but still

[azure forum]

You don't sound like that.

[cedar bolt]

🤓

[azure forum]

Good for you. Gaming coding isn't easy 😊

[opal galleon]

??? ❔

[cedar bolt]

I'll be real with you: Eternal for me is faster than any of the doom games i've played so far (1, 2, 3, 64, 2016)

[azure forum]

What do you mean?

[cedar bolt]

isnt this eternal chat

[azure forum]

I'd call them smart people.

[gray rivet]

This is getting uh....

[cedar bolt]

so
you're telling me
the doom eternal devs are nerds?

[gray rivet]

Xd

[cedar bolt]

mfs this aint coding chat
this is eternal chat
talk about the dooming

[azure forum]

I love how we like to call engineers and such "nerds" but we call garbage tik tok and all that stuff "creators". Just saying

[wraith sail]

Offtopic but your pfp looks like a fucking nft

[azure forum]

Anyways, back to topic. Imo 2016 ambient and story as better than eternal. Eternals combat is on another different level.

[cedar bolt]

exactly.

[wraith sail]

Eternal is great on combat, 2016 is great on story

[cedar bolt]

screenshotted

[gray rivet]

O.o

[wraith sail]

You're gonna kill me with a dlLdo?

[cedar bolt]

i'll go record some gameplay real quick and edit it

show true peak of eternal's combat

[wraith sail]

Wait how the hell did you post an image

[cedar bolt]

the fuck

[azure oriole]

Air control

[fast sage]

Broom eternal

[strange gale]

😱 embeds

[chrome wren]

embeds are a thing

[wraith sail]

I can't send embeds here tho so

[wraith sail]

[fast sage]

Bruh

[flint flame]

So true gamer

[gray rivet]

I'm watching speedruns

[cedar bolt]

i'm mixing uac atlantica

having fun around and getting creative with it

[azure oriole]

guys I got mass reported I'm talking with steam staff
some guy got scammed for over 200bucks and the scammer used my identity
the hell is happening in this day

[midnight sparrow]

Damn that sucks

[sacred dirge]

That's horrible

[burnt moss]

That’s why you don’t put meat and cheese in a toaster

[azure oriole]

and it was a scam FU

now I need to reset everything and somehow get my ac back

[dim solar]

naw man, come on

I mean no hate to 2016 but holy shit that story is wack

eternal is much better structured and makes actual sense

2016 constantly feels like: I'm gonna do a magic trick and teleport to hell, then I'll do another magic trick to go back to mars, and then I'm gonna go back to hell, magic is the shit!

[random vault]

my dad mustve used that same magic, because he disappeared 10 years ago while getting milk and still hasnt come home

[azure oriole]

for sure I won't get my steam acc back 100%

[sacred dirge]

In there defense the didn't know if people would like it or if it would flop. Which is why the story is very basic and a straight line

Bad guy stop bad guy

[midnight sparrow]

I would argue the opposite. Love Eternal and 2016 but Eternals lore straight up wack as shit. TAG2’s story is pretty ass

[chrome wren]

TAG2 is kind of ass in general

especially the final boss which is just a dollar store marauder

[midnight sparrow]

I loved the level design and music (Reclaimed Earth is fantastic) but the encounters did feel rather lacking in the engaging department. Remember when it first came out and that encounter in World Spear that was just waves of Imps?

Though some of the cutscenes where cool like that one at the start of Immora is great

[chrome wren]

not to mention they recycled monsters and just slapped on some extra requirement to kill them

like stone imps that requires the full auto mod, or armored baron that requires you to do more stuff to kill them

or possessed prowlers

[sacred dirge]

They actually don't require full auto. Chainsaw works too apparently

[chrome wren]

let's be honest, you're not going to sit around like a idiot waiting for the fuel to recharge so you can chainsaw stone imps

[azure oriole]

I would've liked if they recycled the hell guards in some way like they did with the summoner

[sacred dirge]

Nope

[chrome wren]

the spirit gives me an aneurysm

[dim solar]

No fucking way, im gonna have to strongly disagree here

[chrome wren]

they were half of the reason why i raged at the 2nd half of the 3rd TAG1 level

[chrome wren]

the spirits can just go suck the underside of a middle school toilet

[sacred dirge]

Alot of people love the simplicity of doom 2016s story which makes sense. Something beautiful about that.

[midnight sparrow]

I respect your disagreement yet have to disagree with your disagreement

[sacred dirge]

Oh God not this again

[midnight sparrow]

Spirits are fine unless their possessing a god damn Pain Elemental

[dim solar]

first things first, I'm just crticizing the plot and the storytelling, I'm not gonna discuss the "TAG 2 content and difficulty is garbage" thing, I believe both tag 1 and 2 are equally good

[azure oriole]

Ayup

[chrome wren]

I was also having a stroke at the last phase of the final boss

[sacred dirge]

Why are you in a discord page for a game you don't like. That literally makes zero fuckinf sense

[chrome wren]

the pain elemental and hell knight combo can just go fuck off

[sacred dirge]

That's like me going over to a cod page and telling people I don't like the game just for no reason. It doesn't make sense

[midnight sparrow]

Eternal’s story was rather simple, TAG 1 and 2 ran it over with a semi truck and while TAG 1 was getting out of the truck TAG 2 lit the truck on fire and blew it up.

[sacred dirge]

Then you're in luck. This server has those pages for you 👍

You can actually get in trouble for baiting which is what you're doing. Just so you know

[chrome wren]

tbh i dont really pay much attention to the story

and that is trying to bait people?

[sacred dirge]

You literally haven't given a reason why you don't like the game other than examples of you needing to get gud. But when you do have some ill definitely support your dislikes

[random vault]

the game is good

[dim solar]

it's still miles more properly presented than 2016's, Eternal has a lot more characters that make the story more interesting and enjoyable, even the slayer himself plays a bigger role, 2016 is just about samuel and vega expo-dumping at the beginning or end of every mission and you get a little of Olivia thrown in there during the first 3 or 4 missions

[random vault]

end of story

[sacred dirge]

He just needs to get into the fin zone

[dim solar]

also, it has better ideas, 2016's plot as a whole is just: you see this little thing I have here? well I'm gonna make it explode and magically make us go to hell! Oh and don't you worry it's not like the explosion should kill us or something, we should totally be fine!

[chrome wren]

doom 2016 is just a fancy dnd quest

[sacred dirge]

Nothing wrong with that

[chrome wren]

you do things to go get something and then you go somewhere else to do the thing with the thing and just repeat

[sacred dirge]

Doom was based on DND so it's funny you said that

[dim solar]

in Eternal the slayer is constantly teleporting to places too but he has a space ship created by a highly intelligent and capable race so that makes more sense

[flint flame]

Lol like they care

[chrome wren]

and that's how the ID company instantly went bankrupt because of a single person's opinion

[dim solar]

yeah, and that's exactly what makes the story feel so bland

[sacred dirge]

Anyways. The doom PC is coming along nicely

[dim solar]

this is why I say Eternal's story is waaaaaaaay better

[ember void]

eternal's story is so silly

[sacred dirge]

https://imgur.com/a/2GiwisK

[dim solar]

it's a lot more creative and has better elements to it

[chrome wren]

i just see eternal as "you go somewhere, fight, go somewhere else, fight, repeat until you take down a big dude, and then repeat while going for a different big dude"

i feel like that completely went over your head

also

[dim solar]

nah, you're dumbing it down way too much, there's a lot more to it than just that, meanwhile in 2016 you could put it in that same way and nobody could say you're wrong
that's the difference

[chrome wren]

im still wondering what the hell happened between 2016 and eternal that led to the hell invasion

[dim solar]

that a good question tho

[chrome wren]

and where did the doom slayer go

[dim solar]

I'm blaming Sam

[chrome wren]

did the doom slayer get banished to the shadow realm until hell invaded earth

and what happened to the rest of his guns (logically speaking)

[midnight sparrow]

My guess is he was sent to Hell somewhere

[chrome wren]

and how did he come back?

the portals got sealed in doom 2016

[midnight sparrow]

The portal on MARS got sealed

[sacred dirge]

Nope just a pile of dog shit movie

https://imgur.com/a/qPDP3Cc

This is peak performance doom^

[chrome wren]

that looks like a meth dealer's head that's beginning to go through necrosis

[sacred dirge]

Actual screenshot from the movie that represents true doom

[azure oriole]

so no doom eternal rip got hacked I was naive gg wp I guess

[sacred dirge]

You got jacked up son

Played like a fool

[azure oriole]

Taught to not trust ppl yet I trusted like a fool

[versed lily]

that ur computer case? 🤯

[sacred dirge]

Yeah. I'll have the full thing ready to show by tmw or Thursday

[slow sigil]

Any arenq shooter ever

Weird thing to say isnce the movie was VERY poorly recieved and there is a lot of ways to upgrade and recontextualize the OG games

If you look at 2016 you can clearly draw some similarities to it and the OG's, and from eternal to 2016

[versed lily]

amazin, front lookin good, what u puttin into it?

[severe reef]

The "dumped the 2016 story line" part is false

Eternal picks up right after 2016

Hayden stole the little power thingy and there's a demon invasion on Earth. Kill demons.

That's where the story picks up.

[slow sigil]

Doom never was any horror except maybe 3, and it's still sci.
Og doom had a lot of colours.
Pixel graphics arent exactly cartoony tbf but OG also wasnt grit, looking at the OGs you can go both ways tbf.
For some sounds, fair.
Huh? Tf do you mean with "skin chunking machine".
Oh no! No multiplayer in mah singleplayer game! God you must hate the doom movies, doom 64, and doom3 for not having deathmatch either.
The didnt dump the story at all, they just timejumped a lot. But tbf doom story was always eh even in 2016, in which it still took a backseat.
It's a game

You can't unironically call 2016 horror lol

[severe reef]

Story doesn't matter in Doom, the only thing that matters is killing demons

[sacred dirge]

Just a 2060 8GB for now but I'm planning to upgrade in a bit if possible

[slow sigil]

They couldve made the game dark if they wanted it'll just look like shite.
And eternal choose to go back to those colours

Point still stands, eternal went back to the bright colours

I was just saying you can interpretend it whichever way

[sacred dirge]

Whatever they wanted to do they did what they did and classic is remembered and loved for that aesthetic and feel they created. Not this fantasy version you want. Classic is what eternal emulated

[blazing osprey]

Is there always an event on?

[sacred dirge]

^you're contradicting your argument now

[slow sigil]

Soooo it was not a limit but they choose the bright colours for most of it's arenas then

just like eternal woah no way

You just said they had dark arenas though

Which is it, did they choose a bright artstyle for most arenas or did they want to go dark and couldnt and therefore obviously there could be no dark spaces in og right

[chrome wren]

oh my god

this shit again

[slow sigil]

Well ok then, OG doom was supposed to be dark and eternal is a sinner for trying to look like the OGs

[sacred dirge]

🇫 🇦

[slow sigil]

Both a not well recieved movie and not a definitive answer

[keen gorge]

Reeeeeeeeecharge

[sacred dirge]

Why are you using one of the worst shit movies ever made to support your argument

[slow sigil]

I dont see how showing this one scene proves anything tbf

I can show a gameplay clip of eternal and "prove" that that is how doom should look like, cause it's doom

3 of those arent doom, other is 1/5

https://youtu.be/SnCw9ESwnFk
Show me the dark colors please

[chrome wren]

they are separate franchises

[slow sigil]

Ok soooo next doomgame should be just doom3 but with higher quality textures then right

After all, doom3 would be their definitive game according to you

[chrome wren]

what?

I didnt say anything about fucking doom 3

that is recent and relevant anyways

[mental valley]

so um this is sorta diffrent from general chat?

shit grammer

[slow sigil]

No, it's about eternal but we go offtopic 90% of the time anyways

[flint flame]

It’s related to eternal ONLY

[slow sigil]

Ok so how doom3 looked like wasnt their definitive style, and it could change. Maybe.... change in eternal? They couldnt make eternal's style back then after all

[mental valley]

ok there is this wall in super gore nest that looks really cool. it had a nice paint job of the now dead workers

[slow sigil]

Werent we talking about the graphics/colours the entire time

[chrome wren]

quick question

is legion being for real

[mental valley]

this feels like coding class again

coding

[blazing osprey]

Bit of a troll situation I imagine.

[slow sigil]

Like a game that wants to go back to OG graphics but modern, and with it's own unique spin too while taking a lil bit from 2016's maybe.
Sounds like a unique spin on all of doom's graphics

[mental valley]

yeah im embarrassed of my grammar

[chrome wren]

either that or legion is just shit at proving points

[mental valley]

im going to look up how to not be a dumbass

[opal galleon]

Didn't this exact conversation happen yesterday

[chrome wren]

yes

[slow sigil]

That and they think studios dont change taste over time and never wanna try new things while still taking from old things

[blazing osprey]

I don't think legion even knows what they are arguing about tbh.

[slow sigil]

Eternal wants to try a mix of 2016 and eternal graphixs!!! No way!!

[chrome wren]

it did, hence why i said "oh my god this shit again"

why do you keep trying to argue

[opal galleon]

Yeah I was just clarifying cause tbh I had no idea what was being argued lmao it's agonizing to read

[slow sigil]

"Dork and gritty!!" Is a boring artstyle by now anyways, eternal's graphics are more unique while still being "realistic" for demons

[mental valley]

yeah the text in the website is way too long.

[chrome wren]

It's not going to change how the game looks. I don't think the devs are going to care if someone is crying about some fucking graphics and shit

[slow sigil]

Like it looks good and not overly cartoony though those stun ducks above enemy's heads are weird and shouldve been togglable

[chrome wren]

this conversation is just twisting my brain into a meat pretzel and wringing it like a rag

[mental valley]

just say eternal is cartoony than 2016 and other games

[blazing osprey]

There are like 13 different conversations happening in here at once.

Link kinda sus.

[chrome wren]

it's actually one conversation and legion is just very bad at it

[opal galleon]

It's only one currently?

Unless you meant generally, in which yeah true lol

[blazing osprey]

... yes.

[slow sigil]

It's a discord chanmel link

[chrome wren]

is anyone saying that they expect the game to look good in fucking 1993 with like 39495012934895 colors

[blazing osprey]

Or no.

[slow sigil]

Huh

[mental valley]

i dunno they are taking a while to make another doom game which i understand

[opal galleon]

No indication of which you meant in your text

[blazing osprey]

To be completely honest... I'm not sure either.

[azure oriole]

I tried understanding what's happening here and failed

[dreamy mural]

Same

[blazing osprey]

TRUE!

[chrome wren]

also same

i think legion doesnt even understand what's he's saying and can't keep a coherent argument

[slow sigil]

You waid a few areas literally did though

[dreamy mural]

Wtf is going on

[mental valley]

stuff

[slow sigil]

And eternal which is made by a new studio decided to go back to the old graphics, cause people liked them too

[patent stream]

Legion hates how colorful eternal is.

Classic doom is also colorful.

Eternal was based on the colorful nature of classic doom.

Legion argues that the fact it has color doesn’t mean anything due to limitations.

This doesn’t matter, since classic doom is still colorful.

[mental valley]

i can't say nerdy stuff or they will shoot me

[slow sigil]

Sometimes a limit or a bug is for the better

[chrome wren]

https://tenor.com/view/aneurysm-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-reaperleviathan-head-explode-gif-21578105

me in this conversation:

[mental valley]

yeah my brain is like that

[patent stream]

Color

[mental valley]

my eyes

[azure oriole]

Sooo... the original doom "had to be colorful because hardware"?
That makes no sense.

[mental valley]

classic doom is dark to me

[dark temple]

I just joined and this conversation was the first thing I saw

[mental valley]

i know im trying to blend in

[blazing osprey]

Unfortunate.

[slow sigil]

Luckily ingame there is a brightness option 😳
Tbf it's a quite bright SS too

[mental valley]

what if i said eternal was dark

another way to kill myself

[chrome wren]

if the fucking game is too bright turn down the brightness

[blazing osprey]

Oh no, they're getting out a list. Hide your hamsters gentlemen.

[dreamy mural]

True

[azure forum]

The image looks normal to me. Not too bright

[slow sigil]

I still have no idea what the fuck "skin hunking machine" means

[chrome wren]

game: is colorful because of limitations

[mental valley]

i live in a constant state of fear and misery, do you miss anymore? and i don't even notice when it hurts anymore anymore anymore anymore.- fried noodles pink guy

[chrome wren]

doesn't that seem to be a bit contradictory?

[slow sigil]

Oh those
Just hack them in, and you dont really see them either
You can definitely blame bethesda for those though

[azure forum]

If you don't like the game, that's fine. You keep going in circles trying to find an explanation and not finding one.

[sacred dirge]

He means dynamic lighting like doom 3 not being possible

[chrome wren]

I'd imagine with limitations there would be less colors instead of more

[slow sigil]

The FOMO in modern games in general is cancerous though, agreed on that

[chrome wren]

oh my fucking god im done with this convo

[slow sigil]

Limits on the dark colours

[mental valley]

im just enjoying the ride

[sacred dirge]

You can't leave this convo. He will never stop until Hugo sends him an apology letter

[chrome wren]

this

[mental valley]

is the best day ever

[slow sigil]

They literally sculped demons IRL with IRL colours and took pictures of those in certain positions lol

[azure oriole]

Huh... so this is what a stroke feels like

[opal galleon]

Yep

[blazing osprey]

I could be doing Urdak rn on my first playthrough, but fuck it I'll sit in here and be entertained by this.

[mental valley]

sus...

[sacred dirge]

Yes and the best part is it happens every day at the exact same time

[blazing osprey]

Proba ly lose a few braincells but it's probably worth it tbh.

[mental valley]

im used to losing brain cells

[dreamy mural]

This conversation makes me want to do an ultra nightmare run without sentinel crystals

[slow sigil]

Exactly, we can perfect how OG doon looks like by removing 80% of it's colours!!!! Wait-

[azure oriole]

Heyooo

[blazing osprey]

This convo males me wanna try ultra nightmare on the Switch version. :)

[sacred dirge]

Monke

[patent stream]

Bloodshot no! Make a run for it before it’s too late!

[dreamy mural]

As a person who has done this
Don't

[mental valley]

this makes me wanna do ultra nightmare with only the shotgun

[jaunty vapor]

While a lot of this I do think were not great design choices (the sound cues are hit or miss but MOSTLY misses to be honest),I do think they "ignored" Deathmatch as much as they couldn't integrate Doom Eternal's mechanics into a workable and fun Deathmatch mode. Hell, just think about the amount of people who'd complain about different FPS Meathook speeds and the like, or people who quick swap vs. those who don't. Doom Eternal Deathmatch, as made by id, would probably have been more frustrating for players than fun.

[patent stream]

Dammit now bloodshot is stuck forever with the rest of us

[blazing osprey]

Why? Gyro controls in handheld grants me the power of a god.

[sacred dirge]

He is a fool. He was so close.. he could have escaped

[slow sigil]

"Just change the core gameplay for multiplayer!!! Just design 2 different games!!!"

[jaunty vapor]

I enjoy these kinds of conversations tbh

I'm masochistic like that, though.

[mental valley]

what color is the grass?

[opal galleon]

blue

[patent stream]

There’s grass?

[dreamy mural]

Depends

[slow sigil]

Maybe singleplayer games dont always need MP

[sacred dirge]

That's where you're wrong. You don't seem to understand. This isn't a conversation

[blazing osprey]

This isn't a conversation. These two are speaking over interdimensional radios across alternate timelines, and the radios aren't even on the same frequency.

[slow sigil]

In that case with the modern market it's also expected that a game with multiplayer is a "skin hunking machine"

[blazing osprey]

0.0

[mental valley]

im going to listen to a song and come back

sus song

[jaunty vapor]

I don't think there WAS planning for any multiplayer. It's been confirmed I'm pretty sure that Battlemode was designed by a few people IN THEIR FREE TIME, and it was so far advanced for a "side project" that it became its own full fledgef game mode. And for an assymetric game mode, Battlemode is actually decently balanced for Doom elEternal, although the lack of skill based matchmaking does hamper it

[slow sigil]

Idk where is @patent stream

[patent stream]

Hi

[azure oriole]

Hi

[blazing osprey]

Yall are being entertaining. You are having this conversation in public. No one is being rude or malicious about it.

[dreamy mural]

Hello

[slow sigil]

Wait it was made in their free time? Well atleast not valuable time was used on battlemode then that couldve gone into it's core gameplay

[blazing osprey]

This is the nature of having an argument through text in a public channel. Communication is weird enough in person let alone on discord lol.

[azure oriole]

Before or after you smoke it?

[sacred dirge]

Who here us being rudely. I'll mess you up !

[slow sigil]

Bro that's only grass here in the netherlands

[jaunty vapor]

And if deathmatch was "expected" that's not IDs fault, that's on the consumer. There was no evidence leading up to Eternals launch that death match would return. Hell, we had more evidence that Invasion would be in the game (rip invasion)

[azure oriole]

This is the most accurate thing ever said here!

[mental valley]

ur pretty - Keep Riding Me (Official Audio) thats the song. please don't die

[slow sigil]

Invasion for quakecon 2022

[patent stream]

If anything 2016s deathmatch almost doomed the game when they were trying to bring the franchise back. So just not doing it anymore was the better bet

[jaunty vapor]

That's the other thing, why not go to Quake Champions or Doom 2016 for your death match needs? There's no reason to believe DE would have done it better than those.

[slow sigil]

I would like it if games are either sp or mp only, no need to try both. Just focus on 1 and make that the best there you can make

[patent stream]

Maybe, but it doesn’t change the fact it was received very poorly in beta. Almost sealing the games fate

[slow sigil]

Maybe co-op sp AND mp but that's different

[jaunty vapor]

I know that's just 1 aspect btw I don't want to hang on the death match angle too much

[patent stream]

Agreed. Splitting the focus tends to usually makes 1 lesser or both lesser as a result

[dreamy mural]

Can someone explain whats going on

[slow sigil]

Battle royale: conversation edition

[dreamy mural]

Good explanation

[jaunty vapor]

I just think people make that specifically a bigger issue than it needs to be. I'm personally glad they did something unique with Battlemode rather than a half assed Deathmatch. Too many companies don't take risks, and Battlemode at a high level is very engaging

[slow sigil]

Wdym exactly

[patent stream]

Dooms I feel should stick with sp while quakes go with the more deathmatch focus. As time had dictated

[mental valley]

youtube.com/watch?v=PZtOMW5fkfw

[azure oriole]

Funnily enough, it is actually Doom 3 whose look was largely dictated by limitations.
The realtime lighting, shadowing and reflections created by Carmack was so intensive at the time they had to mask half the screen in darkness to keep the rendering load somewhat reasonable

[slow sigil]

Especially as games start to take longer and longer to make. You can't just do everything at once anymore

[patent stream]

I liked battlemode for what it was worth, a shame it was Moslty flawed and broken for awhile to lower the chance of repeat players

[jaunty vapor]

You're telling me I can't just add 8 player coop to DEFrag?

[patent stream]

Eh there will always be people like you. They can’t cater to everyone. As long as the number of people who hate it are Significantly low then alls good

[slow sigil]

It's physically impossible to please EVERYONE with a game, so that couldnt happen

[patent stream]

Broader, but not all

[slow sigil]

If they try and make doom a super generic COD like cashgrab i wouldnt have liked it for being so bland for example

[blazing osprey]

There's a sort of curve to developement time. Games got more ambitious as hardware allowed it. Software had to be made in conjunction with the games, but nowadays there are more and more time saving tools made available to developers, so developement time isn't really increasing for many recent games.

[patent stream]

To some extent I do agree. Which is why I want quake to take over the fantasy element and doom to go back to being more grounded humans vs demons

[jaunty vapor]

I won't say the games perfect, hell I imagine of the people here I probably know the most about the imperfections of the game. But I think for base game and dlc 1 they focused on the right things to perfect/work on to make a game that actually has a lot of depth. Not a lot of games have more than 2 years of actual in-game innovations with tech and such.

[patent stream]

If anything the bigger flaws would be in the tag dlcs. Although the momentary khan segment of base game felt off

[strange gale]

really wish the sound cues for some enemy attacks weren't so dogshit

prowler teleports tend to get kinda buried, so does every waveblast

[jaunty vapor]

Explaining that Doom Slayer was actually special/a super soldier the whole time kinda demystified him and it was the most boring decision DE made

[slow sigil]

Tbf the fantasy in eternal isnt all tht prevelant atleast, ans most of it is techy

[jaunty vapor]

Counter argument

Dragons

[patent stream]

👀

[slow sigil]

Tbf SOME sort of "powersource" would be cool, just not "oh he got put in a machine and is now god lul"

[slow sigil]

I filtered that out of my head please shut ip

[azure oriole]

I personally disagree.
While TAG went a little too far into fantasyland yeah, I believe Doom needs to go places.

The hell on earth or demons in mars settings have been done to death by the series.

[sacred dirge]

Mystery is important.. hidden lore can create a powerful experience. Over explaining can ruin alot

[blazing osprey]

I would say that 2016 caters for a wider audience. Eternal is way more busy, meaning that it caters more towards people that enjoy thinking about alot of things at once, which is less inviting to those that want a more laid back experience, or at least one where the player has less to focus on. More people are capable of enjoying 2016 than Eternal in that sense, I feel.

[patent stream]

Yeah if you don’t like base game don’t even touch tags. They lean more into fantasy and have more colors. Although blood swamps was very solid hell variation

[mental valley]

i brain hurts

[jaunty vapor]

That's also fair. I could have accepted him being special if it was... I dunno... Less hand wavy.

[dreamy mural]

That makes 2

[jaunty vapor]

Actually that's Doom Eternal in a nutshell: hand wavy

[sacred dirge]

Alot of people don't want to get into the fun zone

[slow sigil]

"Suddenly doomguy hss a dragon!"
"....why?"
"HE HAS A FUCKINT DRAGON BE HAPPY"

[blazing osprey]

?

[patent stream]

Well it’s not his dragon. He waved his hand and te dragon appeared like a pigeon

[blazing osprey]

Wdym "exactly"?

[jaunty vapor]

"Avengers cutscene yeah babyyy"
But Doom Slayers always worked alo-

"AVENGERS CUTSCENE BABY"

[sacred dirge]

He should have rode around on betruger dragon

[slow sigil]

Which is a shame for them but.... it makes the game a lot better for those who do like it

[slow sigil]

It has the dlayer's crest on it though right

[azure oriole]

I actually kinda liked the divinity machine explanation.
As in something concrete changed him from doomguy to slayer.

[patent stream]

This would have worked better in serious Sam style fashion. Actually running among the armies and such

[slow sigil]

I think they meant more the reason as to why

[blazing osprey]

Imma be honest, I am about 70ish percent of the way through my first playthrough of Eternal but it just doesn't feel as consistently fun and as on ppint as 2016.

[sacred dirge]

I'm going to go touch some grass.

[slow sigil]

Could, maybe you just like 2016 more, maybe you just havent gotten completely in eternal yet, could be either one

[jaunty vapor]

Could be worse.
Prey vs. Prey vs. Prey

[patent stream]

I liked prey

[slow sigil]

"Prey" on it's way to be the 70th game with the name "Prey" while having no connection to past games

[jaunty vapor]

I liked prey. Though prey was better than prey. Prey on the other hand I could live without.

[patent stream]

I especially liked how the game really makes you feel like Prey

[slow sigil]

Ngl i didnt really like Prey

[jaunty vapor]

Is that MR PREY himself? 😱

[slow sigil]

I loved it in Prey when they said "well, it really looks like we are the prey now!"

[azure oriole]

When are they gonna add Predator into Prey?

[dreamy mural]

Prey

[blazing osprey]

It's mostly the mix of level design in regards to the arenas mixed with the enemy placements. In 2016 I was never forced into a corner or trapped in a huddle of demons, but in Eternal I've only ever died from getting stuck on enemies or the terrain, usually a mix of both. I don't mind dying as long as it's due to something that was avoidable, but Eternal's "stuckening" is getting out of hand for me.

[patent stream]

I need to play the new one

[azure oriole]

Wait there's 3?

[jaunty vapor]

Remember that time in the finale of Doom Eternal where he said to Samuel "I'm going to kill The Ancient Gods, too"

[slow sigil]

Oh if we are serious prey 2017, idk what it was i just didnt like it that much. Good game just... idk not my taste

[jaunty vapor]

I don't think saying your points are grounded MAKES them grounded XD

[azure oriole]

Ok you win can we stop now, please

[jaunty vapor]

I don't even disagree with some of what you've said but nothing's inherently been "proven" XD

[blazing osprey]

I get stuck, then I ask step bro for some help. Step bro takes out a flamethrower and melts me into oblivion. I repeat.

[slow sigil]

Well, there's numerous ways to get out atleast. Plus getting in a corner is kinda faulty too. Bloodpunch, chaingun shield, meathook to jump out, either nade, etc

[azure oriole]

But for real are there 3 Prey games?

[slow sigil]

I bet more

[blazing osprey]

Everytime it's at an angle where I can't jump, dash, meathook, or anything andall my equipment is on cooldown.

[jaunty vapor]

You wanna prove something let's talk about Full Auto

[blazing osprey]

And it's happened 5 times today... :)

[jaunty vapor]

Cause we got STATS and NUMBERS to use to prove that shit

[azure forum]

No bloodshot, please!

[blazing osprey]

Maybe I'm just unlucky but it is getting out of hand lol.

[jaunty vapor]

[azure oriole]

I know of 2.
The original in 2006 and the not-Prey in 2017

[slow sigil]

That's a really weird to be in situation ngl. Probs gotta work on your positioning then

[strange gale]

it's time

[slow sigil]

I've only played half of not-prey so fqr

[dreamy mural]

Stone imps

[azure forum]

Fuck, if you are going all in with stats and everything we should summon all FA blind followers to put an end to this

[slow sigil]

You know what? Fucks you
just doesnt play tag2

[patent stream]

Let’s not commit any war crimes today

[slow sigil]

Uhm yeah about that-

[azure oriole]

Why should today be any different?

[slow sigil]

As long as there is a war somewhere i can commit warcrimes

[jaunty vapor]

In my video analysis I did find that technically FA can beat out SSG DPS without quick swaps. By .1 second.

It takes about 16 shots, at point blank range specifically, to get to that point. That said, FA believers will still say that's proof its good.

[azure oriole]

Wish I could get it these days

[azure oriole]

They only take the first sentence and leave out "technically"

[strange gale]

in what fucking universe are you staring down a cmanc for that long

[blazing osprey]

It's my first playthrough lmao. I'm sure it's just one of thise things where I gotta learn the environments and enemy placement first, but it sucks to have my initial impressions of the game just be me constantly getting stopped. 2016 was like a power fantasy where nothing could stop the Doom Slayer from doing his thing. But in Eternal I've fallen off of the map and been "respawned" in an area I never even had been to and that was in a completely different area, I've been constantly fighting in closed off arenas and getting stuck, literally unable to move or use the fun new tools the gane gives you, or I've gotten every single secret in most of the maps without even trying, which takes away the allure of secret hunting. Just feels like a step back from 2016 in every way except the gunplay, which is admittedly a fair improvement.

[azure oriole]

In the universe where FA is usable

[slow sigil]

Well, depending on your skilllevel you can go to ITYTD and still have the power fantasy

[glacial basin]

Hello everyone!

[primal relic]

I think the ballista is the only gun that has 2 fairly equal weapon mods

[slow sigil]

But, on surafce level, eternal has a different "philosophy" then eternal. Instead of giving you the power fantasy, it wants you to earn it

[dreamy mural]

ITS THE SLAYER

[slow sigil]

Nahhh that's plasma rifle if we dont count spirits

[azure oriole]

Surafce level eternal is diferent from eternal, sey

Luci type slower

[slow sigil]

But it's more even then other guns, too bad imo it's still not enough cause you overall dont wanna use arbalest except for a few scenarios

[azure oriole]

I don't know what the talking here is about

[jaunty vapor]

I actually don't have the other two values (5 and 10 fa vs 1 and 2 SSG, though obviously 1 SSG is faster than 5 fa), but here's the math/DPS or whatever.

Full Auto shoots 15 shots in 2.88 seconds
SSG shoots 3 shots in 2.82 seconds

Full Auto shoots 20 shots in 3.77 seconds
SSG shoots 4 shots in 4.07 seconds

[dreamy mural]

Welcome to my world

[slow sigil]

I'm on phone and my fat thumbs make a spelling error every 7 inputs it's already slow old man

[glacial basin]

How do you do?

[primal relic]

Destroyer blade users say the same thing about arbalest 🤔🤔🤔

(I am a destroyer blade user of course, I am just bringing up that I don’t see one mod heavily preferred over the other)

[azure oriole]

First it was... uuuhhh
Then it was....

Now it is....

Quite simple really

[slow sigil]

Thing is, if you know what's going on you only need arbalest for pos. Pain elementals. And you can count on 1 hand how many kf those occur

[azure oriole]

Hmm

[azure forum]

Kids these days

[primal relic]

Agreed. I do think arbalest is easier to use but less rewarding

[slow sigil]

For caco's dblade is arguably better against groups, and against singulat ones punchswap bal or nade

[slow sigil]

Oh yeah it is, dblade requires skill

[azure forum]

Have consideration on the elders Luci

[azure oriole]

And, and, you get shells back so you can keep firing like the full auto giga chad whereas the ssg virgin is out of ammo after 24

[slow sigil]

Exactly! Welp time to get all my ammo back by full auto-ing a tyrant-

[primal relic]

Ice bomb into a group, dblade, then (TRIGGER WARNING: NON-META GUN) ||spraying full auto on everything that’s low health||

[jaunty vapor]

Or ya know.
1 sticky bomb to clear all the fodder

[azure oriole]

Yes but
Yes but
Yes but

Shut up

[azure forum]

Now imagine, if FA blind lovers can't read, don't expect them to understand math

[slow sigil]

But that costs ammo ane i dont wanna chainsaw

[azure oriole]

Not a bad strat

Jokes aside I've found full auto can be good as a primer for slobs, actually

[jaunty vapor]

You stop that, none of that propaganda here

But f'real AsiJus right

[primal relic]

I use it both because I find it more fun and because I like free ammo

“BUT CHAINSA-“
🤓

I like fun

[azure oriole]

Hell yeah!
(Shoots 24 times)

Wait y tyrant no ded?

[sacred dirge]

🇫 🇦

[azure forum]

By the time full auto is done killing them all, they will all be defrosted and miles away from you 😂

[slow sigil]

Too bad you gotta equip full auto for that

[jaunty vapor]

Ngl that's my favorite "thing", that Full Auto literally cannot kill a Tyrant on its own.

[slow sigil]

Meanwhile the ssg, with a damagecap, can't

[jaunty vapor]

It's almost as good as needing 100 Unmaykr shots to break armored baron armor vs. 1 BFG splash famage

[primal relic]

A destroyer blade and an ice bomb is kind of an I win” combo. Everything would be near death 🗿

[azure oriole]

But heavy cannon base fire from full ammo can

[primal relic]

And quite honestly anything could replace FA in that combo, it’s just that I think it’s the most fun option

[strange gale]

24 * 320 = 7680

10000 - 7680 = 2320

[slow sigil]

Wait it fucking can?

[azure forum]

But people want to end an already ending combo with FA and shells

[strange gale]

65 * 180 = 11700, clears a tyrant ez

[jaunty vapor]

F'real your takes ARE actually the best. If you're having fun that's what counts

[azure oriole]

What tom said, it's bonkers fr

[slow sigil]

Man if only it didnt have so low firerate

[jaunty vapor]

So what you guys are saying

Heavy Cannon is OP AF

[azure forum]

We don't hate FA, we just disagree that it is a good Weapon Mod. Have fun with it if you like it

[jaunty vapor]

[primal relic]

Shells that will replenish because everything that got hit by that combo that survived is low on health

[azure forum]

Just Chainsaw son. Ypu already got a huge ammo pool

[azure oriole]

Yeah and they say no good automatic weapons in eternal, sheesh

[slow sigil]

If anythint i WISHED it was good, as good as stickies. MAKE me weapon-modswap instead of literally unbinding it cause it is as usefull as weaponwheel

[azure oriole]

To really make things fun (zone), micro missiles from full ammo can't kill a tyrant

I think

[jaunty vapor]

I will once again reiterate that even pumping the fa damage by a factor of 1.7 would still generally make it inferior to SSG, although it would at least become competitive

[slow sigil]

"But you can choose which weaponmods you use just use it anyways 🤓" yeah but i still wanna feel as if i'm doing the best thing i can. I dont want to limit myself i wanna push the game's limits

[strange gale]

if you can't hit shots to save your life then yeah ig extra shells are nice, but like...

damage spreadsheet, even BP loops if you have no life

[azure oriole]

Modswap is crucial to have!
Can't modswap cancel without it...

[jaunty vapor]

When I use Mobile Turret or Micro Missiles I know I'm doing worse than PB but I also know in general the damage is "ok".

Plus the benefit of long range and such, with tracking/hitscan in relation to mm/mt respectively

[azure forum]

Isn't FA the only Weapon that has been "improved"? (And it still sucks)

[jaunty vapor]

FA meanwhile reduces your aim sensitivity and USED to have strict movement penalties, for mediocre damage. At least now it's not detrimental to use FA, but there's no benefit either

[jaunty vapor]

Twice

[azure oriole]

Micro missiles are decent and the boost makes them good, even.
For a group of fodder or low level heavies you could do worse

[azure forum]

The thing is, why people don't fight for MM or Mobile turret but only FA?

[jaunty vapor]

Nothing's funnier than the fact that people forgot/never knew that they DID buff FA at least once

[slow sigil]

Also full auto weapons are a bit counterproductive to getting players in a "swap heavy" gameplay loop but that's another can of beans

[azure oriole]

I believe a certain Hellman can be thanked for that

[chrome wren]

and then TAG2 shoves it into your face by giving you stone imps

[slow sigil]

Idk man but the "~ > killai" combo works wonders on them

[chrome wren]

???

[primal relic]

Hammer and chainsaw work wonders on them

[azure forum]

Like, I blame Mayo for this nonsense cult 😂

[azure oriole]

I didn't know that either even if I played from day 1.
When and how?

[slow sigil]

On pc ~ is how you open the console
Killai is how you kill... well, all the AI currently alive

[chrome wren]

oh

[azure oriole]

Hey Asiju. Mind if I would type something in your dm's

[chrome wren]

i didnt recognize that ~ as a ~ but instead as a -

[azure oriole]

Go ahead!

[chrome wren]

you have to wait for those to recharge

[burnt moss]

Idk how you guys can talk about doing the “best” thing but still consider it acceptable to carefully get a demon into gk state so you can use the hammer, just to avoid FA

[azure oriole]

coughs private dm's

hey gougaru look dm's

[sacred dirge]

They should just throw in a bolt action rifle

[slow sigil]

Unironically yeah

[primal relic]

Hammer is 2 weakpoints away from a charge, which is something that occurs from regular gameplay. A revenant or mancubus becomes a free hammer.

[azure oriole]

Honestly that would satisfying as hell

[primal relic]

If there ARE no weakpoints to break… ouch, yeah

[slow sigil]

Me who can't hit the revenant canons:

[burnt moss]

Do you guys mean a sniper?

[azure forum]

Just BP them and insta Hammer

[strange gale]

fodder gks, BP loops

[spice solstice]

bro i feel like i get progressively worse the more i play eternal its weird

[primal relic]

You struggle with them too??

[primal relic]

Oh I forgot about the glory kills recharging the hammer. I haven’t used it in forever

Low-level destroyer blade or fully charged heat blast gets rid of them well for me

[spice solstice]

combat shotgun = sucks ass

[primal relic]

Base fire combat shotgun doesn’t exist. It’s a myth, like Australia

[strange gale]

but why would/should it be good

[slow sigil]

cause all elements in a game that's skillbased should be balanced

[jaunty vapor]

It's a matter of principle

Tbh I normally use Dblade anyways.

[slow sigil]

Hell even all elements in games in general should be balanced tbf

Everythint is more fun if it's within a balance scale

[primal relic]

A grand total of 4 shots, then it becomes a Grenade launcher. Or, if you’re a maniac, a shotgun assault rifle, which I do not recommend on the very first level 🗿

[jaunty vapor]

I forget which patch, it was before TAG1. FA used to recover 3, 6, and 9 ammo.

They buffed it to 3, 7, 11

[slow sigil]

Oh that's what i found different that one time

[jaunty vapor]

But nobody used FA anyways so nobody noticed

[primal relic]

Belt-fed shotgun

[slow sigil]

Maybe it could be an upgrade! Oh, wait-

[jaunty vapor]

I think a bit more damage is a better solution, but I remember doing the math and if you gave the player 50% more ammo, made stickies cost 2 ammo and SSG 3 ammo, the ammo economy in relation to damage/usability would actually be decent

[slow sigil]

You really are being fecenty, bloodshot

[primal relic]

What if full auto did the ammo recovery thing from the get go, just on a smaller scale. And the mastery was either increased ammo receiving, damage/firing speed increasing overtime, or both

[slow sigil]

Imagine eternal but ammo actually required skill instead of a reskinned reload button

[primal relic]

I prefer not waiting 5 seconds for an animation while behind a rock or a wall thank you very much

[jaunty vapor]

I've gone over it, the mastery in theory was meant to incentivize players to hold the trigger down (i.e. fire the weapon fully automatically). Instead players use it "carefully" and as a finisher.

Having a ramp up damage (either by held trigger or shots hit) would help to improve the overall use case of the weapon, definitely

Plus players could STILL do the old careful usage if they wanted to

[primal relic]

There should be a mod for this. Your solution is awesome

[slow sigil]

I mean you can safely do it in the open, enemy AI is made to not (intentionally) surround you

[jaunty vapor]

I did a video where I show the idea off using keybinds + console commands. I mathed it out that x2 damage is the absolute max FA should get to (any higher and things become too easy to kill with Salvo Extender).

I think I said each shot giving 20% damage up to 100% was good, but 25% to 100% is also fair, if maybe a TAD too good

[azure forum]

All GK on prowler are so good

[slow sigil]

For every fodder piece there is only 2 chainsaw animations so ehh

[burnt moss]

I think the sticky bring-up animation should not be any longer than PB.

[primal relic]

The slash of the chest and then ripping his chest open is my favorite glory kill

[azure oriole]

Oh the ammo return, yeah. I thought they actually buffed damage or smth

[primal relic]

Is it just me being bad at video games or does microwave beam have this annoying split second delay where I can’t switch weapons after I’m done using it?

[slow sigil]

Meh early on i liked it, now i just think it's too boring the way you get ammo via the animation

Should be more skill based, lile full auto but better
Hammer was a step in the right direction but too OP

[jaunty vapor]

The thing is you can stave this off in a number of ways (efficient kills, map.knowledge with ammo pickups) so it gives the player a semi-skill-ceiling. The better you are, the less you chainsaw.

On top of that chainsaw has the added utility of giving iFrames, so at a higher skill level of play, modded content especially, players utilize chainsaw for the iFrames more than the ammo

[primal relic]

I think I remember some dude saying to look at GKs / chainsaws as moments to check resources. Do you have grenades? How’s ammo? How many chainsaw pips do you have? Etc.

It gets hard to check all of those mid-combat, at least for me

[jaunty vapor]

Glory Kills similarly are more useful for the iFrames than anything else. Though to that end... I do understand the dislike for them since the health gained from them ultimately don't matter too much

I think if the game prioritized "health for blood" and "armor for blood" mechanics more, glory kills would be rather desirable.

[primal relic]

I don’t think I’ve ever gotten a blood punch from excess health or armor

[strange gale]

BP loops

[jaunty vapor]

I mean that might just mean you're impatient. :p I'm a speedrunner and even I don't think chainsaws are THAT slow, and we literally route around having triple chainsaw for like 3/4th through a level

[burnt moss]

What do you mean? Gks get you bps already

[azure oriole]

By pressing "C"

[strange gale]

glory killing two fodder for a single BP isn't all that great. HFB/AFB can theoretically give you two BPs from a single heavy GK, but this isn't emphasized.

[jaunty vapor]

I meant more mechanics than just blood punch. Like if hammer was gained through those mechanics, it would give fully armored players a reason to flame belch, rather than saving it, etc. It would reward aggressive play while at full health, etc

I'd want to expand upon the idea more in a new game rather than implementing it as DE is now though

[azure oriole]

Not for you then it isn't.
But it does take a while for eternal's combat to click.

[sacred dirge]

Turok

[primal relic]

I think I remember in kaiser campaign that blood punch kills give you hammer charges

[azure oriole]

Yep

[gray rivet]

Do you guys think taking breaks (a couple weeks to a month from playing) hurts or helps?

[sacred dirge]

Hurts

[jaunty vapor]

Of speedruns specifically? Depends on what you're talking about.

Movement wise there's a LOT of movement tech in the game. Wall dashes, ballista boosts, even bunny hopping all have a lot of small facets to them that add up, both for speedruns and even just playing hard content.

Quick swapping is mostly just a muscle memory thing. The more practiced you are, the more consistent you are at doing certain which swap combos and efficiently killing specific demons, etc.

[azure oriole]

Helps if you're tired / burnt out on a game

[primal relic]

You may get rusty but don’t stress yourself please

[azure forum]

You'll have some hard time when you come back getting used to the controllers (short time though). Helps if ypu are getting frustrated with the game.

[sacred dirge]

A month though? That's going to make you rusty AF

[gray rivet]

Ok word Thanks. I just take breaks cuz I want to play other games. But I'm about to go back to playing, so I guess I'll have to re adjust

[jaunty vapor]

I mean that's just practice is all

[azure oriole]

I'd say objectively it actually isn't, it just takes a while to learn the combat so you do not feel like you are restricted.

[jaunty vapor]

I have something like 1200 hours at least, and I'd say about 800 at least of those are speedrunning (probably more)

[azure oriole]

Better than being frustrated / tired

[jaunty vapor]

Some of that is glitch hunting, some of that is practicing specific skips or movement tech, etc. But still

[sacred dirge]

I would say he's not going to gain any skill from taking that long of a break

Getting over fatigue though sure

[gray rivet]

Yea, I took a break for a month to play arcadegeddon, and returnal

[primal relic]

Maggots from doom 3 would make for an awesome fodder enemy. Maybe a slightly more resistant body to incentivize headshots, but it can’t be killed with a single headshot; you have to kill both heads before it dies. 3 arms means triple the attack speed and damage of a regular imp. I think it would be cool to have.

[jaunty vapor]

Different strokes for different folks

[azure oriole]

Ofc not but you better break for a proper time than try to force yourself.

And honestly, it can help you break tunnel vision and old habits

[sacred dirge]

Always fun to kill. Legit fodder demon to a T

[jaunty vapor]

I definitely find it helps. It lets you "unlearn" bad muscle memory in favor of learning/relearning good muscle memory or habits.

Usually when I take a break and come back it takes a little bit to readjust or shake the rust off or whatever, but it overall helps for sure

[azure oriole]

I've taken a months break from eternal two or three times and honestly getting back to speed isn't more than couple hours, if that

[gray rivet]

Yea that's the kind of answer I was looking for, or I was hoping it applied for this game

Thanks

[primal relic]

I use cultist base or doom Hunter base as a warmup level

[sacred dirge]

He did ask if it helps. Short break maybe. But taking a month won't help other than being rested up. And like you said it'll take a little bit to get back to form. Personally I take small breaks but I can notice a dip in my playstyle for a bit. Everyone is different though

If you want to improve I find just putting hours in will improve your game

[quick grove]

doing an ultra nightmare run. right now im on exultia. what are the hardest levels in un? im assuming its cultist base and final sin?

[cedar bolt]

Cultist base is a bit of a bother, but i'll be real with you, the arc complex arena seems the hardest imo

[quick grove]

because of the marauder or because its such a long level?

i love the marauder and i dont think hes much of a threat, but i can see how its a hard level.

[slow sigil]

Turn orr hud and dont look at them

[azure oriole]

How's everyone doin

[sacred dirge]

🥚

[azure oriole]

Yooooooo eg

[valid wren]

very eg 👍

[gray rivet]

Eggbert

[azure oriole]

eg ❤️

[azure oriole]

Cultist Base, the rest is like Taras Nabad, Urdak, Final Sin.

• Sentinel Prime, Mars Core, Arc Complex, SGN

Anyways all levels on UN is hard, nothing is easy

[dim solar]

the biggest choke points for me are cultist base, sentinel prime, Nekravol l and ll and final sin

[azure oriole]

I've never finished UN but as far as nightmare goes the hardest was definitely taras nabad

[dim solar]

what'as difficult about TN? I think that's one of the easiest missions

[azure oriole]

Oh nothin too bad just the marauder at the start of the level

Caught me off guard when I was playing it for the first time

[burnt moss]

Part of why I don’t value UN so much is because, even if I did do it, it would be by exercising extreme caution and running away a lot. Not necessarily applying high levels of skill any more than NM.

[sacred dirge]

Yeah I can see how the fear would get to you

Just something you'd need to get over

[burnt moss]

That’s not exactly my point. I am saying that UN doesn’t force you to play correctly or better.

[azure oriole]

that’s just you though. I play UN like I would Nightmare. Nothing about my playstyle changes.

[burnt moss]

Which still devalues UN

[azure oriole]

not sure I get what you’re trying to say

The value of UN is its Nightmare but with one life. There’s nothing more to it. And there was never meant to be.

[burnt moss]

Well I’m just saying that it’s not more “difficult” so it’s not necessarily worth doing

[slow sigil]

It's more tedious if anything

Redoing entire LEVELS because you screwed up once isnt making shit harder, it's making it more annoying

[cyan frigate]

or if the game screws you lmao no target or gk not working or the wrong weapon being pulled out hahahaha

but for real, i exclusively only do un. mostly master levels, it is true its annoying having to start over but thats what ya ask for in un. i love it personally, makes the game alot more thrilling only having one life

[sacred dirge]

That's what I was trying to say yeah

[cyan frigate]

gertgaru!!! my man 👍😎

[sacred dirge]

GERT bless you my child

[azure oriole]

Is anything worth doing?

[patent stream]

This is true

We must first look at, what is the meaning of life

[random vault]

hi

[cyan frigate]

ok i got this, the meaning of life, is to find your own meaning. there is no one meaning for every person. its something that fills you with the feeling of purpose and bliss. it can be family, friends, games, books, dancing etc.

JUST KIDDING its big chungus

[random vault]

life has no true meaning, you must be the one to give it meaning

[sacred dirge]

Gert is the meaning of life

[dim solar]

what is gert

[pearl apex]

AYO

what is gert

[flint flame]

[dim solar]

[edgy fjord]

[burnt moss]

Not really. Some processes have outcomes with greater impact than others though.

[sacred dirge]

^ gert

[ripe osprey]

Anyone know the best place to buy doom for cheap i am broke

[versed lily]

if you die on a UN run after beating a level can you go back to the start of that level?

[azure oriole]

You go back to level one

Run over

[dim solar]

YOUR CAMPAIGN IS F$CKING OVER

I mean, no, you can't start from the start of that level

[versed lily]

LOLOL ty

[sacred dirge]

You got this

( probably not )

[versed lily]

practicing on nightmare first right now, i wanna memorize more item drops n get my combos down better first

[sacred dirge]

Fucking eh. That's a soild plan

[versed lily]

extra lives still exist there?

[dim solar]

Nope

you get one chance to use saving throw during the whole game to avoid death but that's about it

[random vault]

hi

[dim solar]

hi TMG

[versed lily]

ok sweet, time to get gud 😛

[random vault]

hi

im streaming again so i came to say hi

[dim solar]

cool shit my dude

I'll watch while I do something in the background

[random vault]

thats very nice

[dim solar]

double marauder time