classic-doom-maps-mods

[sinful loom]

Im using keyconfig btw

[torn laurel]

I’ll definitely check this out! Looks amazing!

@fallen panther

[fallen panther]

Hope you have fun

[haughty flower]

it is quite peaceful here, if only for a moment

[woven quartz]

https://youtu.be/uKBOSQ-FerA

[bright owl]

Do teleport lines in vanilla need to be at the same angle? I’m having trouble getting this teleport trap to work properly

[safe steppe]

You need to approach the teleport line from the direction the linedef is facing

In doom builder while in linedef mode there is a little notch that faces the way the linedef is facing

You can flip it by selecting the linedef and pressing the 'F' key

[bright owl]

I fixed the direction but it still isn't working. Can you tell what's going on?

[safe steppe]

I will check it now

@bright owl what is the trap supposed to do?

Like when is it supposed to activate*

The goal is to teleport the zombiemen to the line?

I am gonna guess this is what you're tying to do ^

well first of all we should space out the zombiemen or they get stuck inside of each other

[crisp dragon]

Yeah if you place them with hitboxes connecting it gets them stuck

Rookie mapping error

[safe steppe]

second: we need to somehow wake them up, you can join sectors together but as a beginner you might find that difficult so instead let's make a really tiny hole so the monsters can hear, and let's force the player to make a sound by a monster blocking their way

now we don't want the hole to be this obvious

so let's lower the ceiling until there is only a 1 unit gap

[crisp dragon]

Classic hole in the wall wake up trap

[safe steppe]

Now the monsters wake up, but they don't get teleported any where because we don't have.
step three: add a teleport destination

we create a simple sector, tag it the same as the teleport linedef and add a teleport destination thing

now the monsters teleport immediately after waking up and we don't want that
step four: we will create a short wall to prevent them from teleporting, they can teleport once the wall is lowered

we create a linedef that will activate the trap, it has the action of "38 - W1 Floor lower to lowest floor" and has the same tag as the small wall

And congrats the trap works! I know this was long and may seem complicated but once you get used to it you'll be able to make more traps in no time

[agile shoal]

You can also make teleporting traps by tagging the sectors with the same number.
Going Down is a good example of this

[bright owl]

Okay thank you. I’ll resume mapping soon and I have a neat new trap and knock how to do it now

I decided to forgo the delay part because I want the trap to spring the second the player fires their gun.

The idea is that if the player opens fire upon monsters right around the corner they’re immediately under attack from multiple directions

[sinful loom]

Anyone here knows zscript?? I need HELPP

[safe steppe]

@whole blade maybe you know?

[safe steppe]

if you can't find an answer here your best bet is doomworld forums

or maybe ZDoom forums is more appropriate

[sinful loom]

I guess your right

[safe steppe]

Unfortunatly I don't think anyone here uses GZdoom format other than BridgeBurner

mostly doom and boom format mappers

but there are a bunch of other mapping discord servers and doom forums

[sinful loom]

Can you dm me the servers?

[safe steppe]

Sorry not currently in any server, but you can easily find them by googling "doom mapping discord"

modding/mapping*

[sinful loom]

Alrighty, thanks anyways!

[whole blade]

zscript isn't my forte sorry

[glacial skiff]

Pro-tip: if you are unfamiliar with the sound propagation plugin that comes with stock UDB, now is the time to get familiar with it

[sacred onyx]

I recognise the name but I also have no idea what it actually entails

Is there a guide somewhere?

[haughty flower]

welcome to osaka-2

[hard rapids]

is the rain supposed to be that obscructive to your vision?

[haughty flower]

for now yes
but later I might remove a few rows, however that's probably gonna come when I'm almost done with the map

[hard rapids]

right, gotcha

[haughty flower]

Peep the intro for Brutal doom 64

A true marine experience . Listen to the sirens and the Napalm strikes being dropped by the UAC Combat Vessels

[alpine dagger]

Here's my custom level if anyone wants to try it. It's short and sweet, takes about 5 minutes to complete.

[hushed jay]

Hey there, was hoping to get some help on modifying a friend's mod for personal use, the zombieman sprites in this mod are the same as the player's and I've been trying to fix this (the closest I've come is deleting the replacement sprites for the zombieman, but the sprites for the pain states/death animations won't change). Would anyone be willing to lend a hand?

I have the mod here https://www.moddb.com/downloads/undoom-early-look-part-iii

[crisp dragon]

I'll try it soon

[haughty flower]

rain is too thick. make it 1 px wide, same way it is in microsoft hellbender

i mean screen 1px wide

[wispy relic]

Made a medium sized deathmatch level in a vague city setting

plenty of 3D floors

[royal wave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvRuIwGsDiU

[flat pebble]

The end segment of that video is quite humorous, if you know the lore for gardevoir in pokemon(I forget what gen the lore is in)

[haughty flower]

https://twitter.com/SkeletronM/status/1500902353909821444?s=20&t=imZ0LiNB-AZEKsQAgNDUUA

skeletronMK666 (@SkeletronM)

firing animation frame for robocop! the spriteset is still a wip in the official alpha. this frame came out really really good! https://t.co/M7XkOPA6Pk

Twitter · Mar 7, 2022, 6:33 PM

https://twitter.com/SkeletronM/status/1500900485976317952?s=20&t=imZ0LiNB-AZEKsQAgNDUUA

skeletronMK666 (@SkeletronM)

Robocop VS Terminator.wad is out for testing, Player sprites for robocop isn't finished though. still need death animations. you can download it and play it on TSPG, playtesting servers will be up soon tommorow! https://t.co/Cf4YS47uyA

Twitter · Mar 7, 2022, 6:25 PM

[lusty dove]

is it possible in vanilla to have a moving sector? ie for moving platforms

[bright owl]

Vertically? Yes
Horizontally? I don’t think so

[lusty dove]

ok

[safe steppe]

You can move a sector up or down, but not left or right

[lusty dove]

ok

how do i make a sector on top of another sector

whenever i right click, it just opens the properties for that sector

also, how do i change the music for a level

hold on, please dont tell me the music is hardcoded

[toxic dew]

in limit removing, there's an 3D sector tag
in vanilla, it's not possible

[lusty dove]

no, not what i mean

i mean create a sector inside another, physically in the editor

[wispy relic]

Switch to line mode in UDB

[toxic dew]

I use slade to load music then change the said music file's name to "E1M1" or whatever

[lusty dove]

but what if the sector starts on a line

[lusty dove]

ok

[wispy relic]

You can start drawing on an existing line or vertex, it'll work

[lusty dove]

oh, i see, draw lines mode

[lusty dove]

what if i just want to make a level use a different one of the existing music tracks

can i just do that in udb?

[toxic dew]

there's probably an easier way to do this, but i'd extract the music from "doom.wad" then copy the file into the level wad

it's not possible in UDB tho

[lusty dove]

oh, thats annoying

[toxic dew]

eh, each software is used for specific things so it's understandable

[lusty dove]

wait, so does that mean for the songs that play in multiple different levels, that song shows up multiple times in the game files, once for each level?

[toxic dew]

i think so
sound effects are that way but i havent really checked for musics

[lusty dove]

bruh

[toxic dew]

like if the same sound effect is used for 2 different thing they do that

[lusty dove]

jankkkkkkkkkk

[toxic dew]

which is kinda weird but it's way easier to mod

like what if you dont want 2 level's music or 2 sound effects to change at the same time

[toxic dew]

but then again it's literally just 4 people programming the whole thing so

[lusty dove]

yeah fair

[lusty dove]

can i make music for a doom wad in FL studio?

[runic breach]

it won't work on some older ports

[lusty dove]

how come?

and im talking about vanilla btw

[runic breach]

at least im pretty sure it won't

since (much) older ports use their own midi format iirc

but i might be wrong

[lusty dove]

oh i see

is there any trick to aligning textures?

cuz i cant find values to get something aligned

im having trouble getting this to line up

[haughty flower]

mark lower and upper unpegged on this linedef right here
or do ctrl + a

[lusty dove]

ok

what does ctrl+a do

uh, i marked upper and lower unpegged and it was still off

[haughty flower]

aligns textures on both the x and y axis

[haughty flower]

huh, that's weird
try doing ctrl+a then?

[lusty dove]

uhhh, what happened to my sky

[haughty flower]

wdym?

[lusty dove]

why does it look like that

[haughty flower]

OH
you just pressed tab, press it again for the skybox to show up

[lusty dove]

does ctrl+a align the whole map?

[haughty flower]

it shouldn't, no

[lusty dove]

oh

wait so what does it align

cuz im pressing it and its kinda just changing random things, and its not getting more aligned than before

[haughty flower]

it should align the texture by both the x and y axis
not sure if axis is the correct term, since udb just says "Auto-aligned textures (X and Y)"

[lusty dove]

which texture

when i press ctrl+a, it changes the offset on a bunch of various textures around the map, but not the one i have selected

[haughty flower]

try selecting only the texture you want to align then?

[lusty dove]

i did that, it kept that one the same and changed a bunch of the ones around it

and it still wasnt lined up

[haughty flower]

I guess try aligning them yourself?

[lusty dove]

ok

is it possible for something to be "un-allignable?"

[haughty flower]

no

[lusty dove]

huh, ok

cuz im trying a bunch of values, and usually, either the top or bottom is off

[glacial skiff]

Press U and L to toggle pegging on the upper and lower textures on a sidedef

When in doubt, hover on another wall and press shift+A to find all walls which have the same texture and align them by Y, stopping as soon as there are different textures on a wall

(In other words, "flood-search any and all lines connected to this one")

[wispy relic]

Yes, that's exactly how it is for the music tracks

[lusty dove]

To reiterate

Jankkkk

[wispy relic]

In the music list in Doom 2, you'll see D_RUNNIN first in the list, then D_RUNNI2 or whatever 15th in the list

Actually, I misspoke

That's how the music tracks are for Doom 2 and Final Doom

For Ultimate doom, the original three episodes have tracks from D_E1M1 to D_E3M9 like you'd expect
The music for Episode 4 however is pulled from the tracks for the first 3 episodes

so if you make a level replacing for example E4M1, you can't just make a replacement music track named D_E4M1 and expect the game to play it

[lusty dove]

That’s such horrible practice lol, at least just store the songs by index and then just store the index of which song to play in the header of each level

[wispy relic]

(Crispy Doom and possibly other sourceports will recognize that's what's going on, but others like GZDOOM won't make that assumption)

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'm pretty sure if that were the case for how id handled it, the music would've ended up hard-coded for each level, much like the skies are

so yeah not efficient, but it's made things easier for us to mess around with

[lusty dove]

Super Mario world is a good example of music system done right

It stores all of the music in an index

And each level file and overworld area stores a value which allows you to tell it which song to play

And there are tools that let you inject new music and change around the indices, and the level editor tools that have been made let you set the music for each level

[trail steeple]

no,that would be shift + a

[haughty flower]

no, that's just only the y axis

ctrl+a does both x and y

[glacial skiff]

It is often undesirable to autoalign by X

In broad strokes, if you're auto aligning any textures that are not purely natural features, you are probably also responsible for the rise of ISIS

(With a small handful of notable exceptions of course, like pipewal1)

That is all for now

[gloomy galleon]

Looking great ! 🙂

[whole blade]

100% disagree. I auto align just about everything.

[glacial skiff]

The idea that you intentionally autoalign startan scares me

Maybe my language is imprecise, I'll try again: you should probably not autoalign textures that aren't designed to look right when that is done

[whole blade]

Using startan

The key with auto aligning is where you start from

Find the zero point you want and then boom

[trail steeple]

1984

[haughty flower]

new ENDDOOM screen for ROBOCOP VS TERMINATOR

[fierce cradle]

Nice

[glacial skiff]

Is there a UDMF field for applying named translucency maps to a line?

I feel like this is almost certainly a feature that exists, I'm just not looking in the right place

[solid wolf]

https://youtu.be/L8o8sWl51hs

[ivory kettle]

hey @crisp dragon how is the map so far?

[crisp dragon]

It's going well

few surprises here and there
doors are a bit jank with textures so far but that's the only criticism as of now

[ivory kettle]

I see... go on hope you're having fun

[somber anchor]

i love the fact that john romero is supporting ukraine

also neat map

[ivory kettle]

ty uwu

[somber anchor]

wat

i dunno

just finneshed watching game dungeon realms of the haunting

and i wondr

doom engine

it look like the doom engyn

is it doom engein

[somber anchor]

the perfect pairing

[glacial skiff]

Observation: there are no technical reasons a person could not write a fully functional (but probably slow) NES emulator in Zscript

[trail steeple]

https://youtu.be/FTq0-FvBSlE

[lusty dove]

is there a keybind or tool or something in udb that aligns all textures in the map at once?

[haughty flower]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnWCOC55zIY Great, large and filled with lots of demons highly detailed map set in ancient Egypt, some custom monsters also make an appearance here. Feel like in Serious Sam 2nd Encounter or Act II in Diablo 2

[lusty dove]

what is this map? i saw it in a yt video and im curious cuz it looks very cool

[upbeat path]

Eviternity- one of the heaven maps

It's by Xaser iirc

[lusty dove]

what are your guys recommendations for the best vanilla compatible wads

[bright owl]

Rowdy Rudy’s Revenge and Rowdy Rudy 2 (not the 2 bonus maps. Those require Boom)

[whole blade]

ctrl-a

[lusty dove]

ive tried that, doesnt work very well

[wispy relic]

need opinions on something
should the ammo icons be the actual ammo sprites

or quake 3 style monochromatic symbols

[safe steppe]

The symbols look a lot cleaner imo

[glacial skiff]

Man, it really does

(re: Eviternity heaven)

The symbolic ammo icons are also very good though

[severe swift]

i forgto how to make a door

[wispy relic]

by adjusting the HUD scale the symbols look less screwed up

so ye, I think I'll run with this

[upbeat path]

https://twitter.com/majorarlene/status/1502486876791447554?s=20&t=a2PVwhjUDU74O1Meh-W_LA

ceasefire. 🇺🇦 (@majorarlene)

More progress on Grove. 💮 #doom #dancingintheabyss #leveldesign #doom2 https://t.co/RJG3128dti

Twitter · Mar 12, 2022, 3:29 AM

[solar brook]

Playing around with "Fake Windows" a bit. Instead of having a area outside of each window on the map, you just create one outside area for all of them :P

[wooden lark]

Question: i need mods for my classic doom games, wich ones should i download?

[fallen panther]

What kind of mods do you want?

What type of changes are you looking for

[wooden lark]

Mods that changes aspects of the games like some gameplay mechanics or adds weapons

Or completly changes the game like the aliens mod

[fallen panther]

I can easily name 3

Call of doom

Project brutality

Embers of Armageddon

[wooden lark]

Where could i find them?

[fallen panther]

Mod db and git hub a quick Google search will do

Although for call of doom specifically search for call of doom black warfare

And look for the light weight versions unless you have a powerful device

[wooden lark]

Ok

Also do you know any mods who adds weapons?

[fallen panther]

All of those mods add weapons

And change the game play

[wooden lark]

I mean without gameplay change

[fallen panther]

Final doomer

[wooden lark]

Thats a mod?

[fallen panther]

Yes it is

[wooden lark]

I'l download it tomorrow

[trail steeple]

doom supports midi stuff

that's entirely different from chiptune or any other nes-era music

i may not be an expert,but i think that audacity & flstudio allow you to make midis.but i am not sure

[solar brook]

DOOM 2 also supports .ogg files for "high quality" audio

[trail steeple]

isn't that more of a feature of gzdoom tho

[safe steppe]

(G)ZDoom only*

[trail steeple]

don't forget that gzdoom also supports .mp4 tracks

[trail steeple]

is the berserk pack just a huge dose of adrenaline or what

[bright owl]

Berserk is a medkit that comes with a big Red Bull

[safe steppe]

The souls protect life

[waxen girder]

@haughty flower Audacity will allow you to edit tracks, but it's not really designed for making music itself. Check out Linux Multimedia Studio (LMMS). There is a Windows port if you don't have access to Linux.

@lusty dove What mapping software are you using? I teach a game design class and would love to have students create a Doom map for a project in class.

[lusty dove]

udb

ultimate doom builder, im pretty new to it but its pretty easy to use

getting to make a doom level in class sounds like a dream tho lol

[safe steppe]

Ultimate Doom Builder and Slade 3 are the doom editors still being maintained

[lusty dove]

you would need to get doom wads for all of your students tho

[safe steppe]

Ultimate Doom Builder focuses primarily on mapping while Slade 3 has limitless modding capabilities

[waxen girder]

I have the wad files.

[safe steppe]

You can also use freedoom, which as the name suggests a free IWAD that imitates doom

[lusty dove]

ah

is that the freeware version or whatever?

[waxen girder]

Ok. I want to start with mapping before trying any kind of modding.

[safe steppe]

it is fully free, free of charge and free as in freedom

[lusty dove]

yeah

[safe steppe]

Ultimate Doom Builder is the way to go

[waxen girder]

Off topic, but do you know a good map editor for Quake / Quake 3?

[safe steppe]

Although keep in mind it is limited only to windows

[safe steppe]

Nope sadly but you can probs find one with a quick google search

[lusty dove]

udb reminds me of the hammer editor from source

[safe steppe]

The hammer editor reminds me of pain.

yeah I can see the resemblance

[lusty dove]

yeah lol

i never made much with it, but it was definitely tricky to use

[waxen girder]

Thanks for the help. I'm going to try UDB first and see what I can make before trying it in class.

[trail steeple]

watching just about two tutorials is enough to get started

[lusty dove]

yeah

i watched no tutorials, and basically figured it out myself (ofc while asking a few questions here)

[trail steeple]

tried making a map in it once

pain & suffering

making a door = having 11 PHDs in theoretical physics

[lusty dove]

yeah, although that mostly depends on what game you are using

i used it for portals, and that just has door models that you can use

making the wall around the door tho, thats another can of worms

[trail steeple]

full respect for the dude who made "The Thing" mod for HL2 Beta in 2003 with the buggy mess that the hammer was in that time (don't forget the lack of any tutorials)

[trail steeple]

i can send you a few tutorials to get started

[waxen girder]

That would be great. I did some mapping back in the day when Doom 2 was originally released but that was almost 30 years ago now!

[trail steeple]

have some great tutorials:

https://youtu.be/6arDCzmhONY
https://youtu.be/EucWtn__O8Q

[waxen girder]

Thank you @trail steeple

[trail steeple]

no problem man 🍻

[trail steeple]

fun fact: when you launch the hl2 beta hammer a literal midi of "Can't touch this" by mc hammer plays

[lusty dove]

lol

[trail steeple]

valve was wild back then

[lusty dove]

in portal, the door models are circular, so you have to make a wall with a circular hole in it which is an enormous pain and way harder than making the door itself

[trail steeple]

lemme guess

it's "playing gmod with 30 terabytes of mods and waiting for the map to load"-tier pain ?

[lusty dove]

never played gmod but yeah something like that

yeah, pretty much

[night pond]

whats the best map builder?

[lusty dove]

ultimate doom builder probably

[safe steppe]

There is no definitive best but a good one for starting out is Ultimate Doom Builder

[lusty dove]

^

[night pond]

thanks

[night pond]

i am now spending 90% of my time on map making

[lusty dove]

what software would you recommend for making music for a doom wad

can i use the software i already own, fl studio?

[lusty dove]

if i have ended up here, in doom2 map08, is there any way to get out or am i screwed

[quick crag]

You’re screwed

You gotta run to the exit

[neon pike]

Oof

[lusty dove]

That is the dumbest thing ever

That level was so long and stressful and now I have to do the entire thing all over again because I didn’t know that there was a bullshit trap at the very end

[solar brook]

Making a maze in classic doom because... why not

[trail steeple]

i can feel the par time being 30 minutes

[solar brook]

I was thinking of throwing some "Portal Lines" in it, for the extra "Non-Euclidian" mindfuck

[trail steeple]

ah yes

time to make a maze that is even more confusing

[solar brook]

Hardcore Mode comes with Archvile (Fast Demons)

[trail steeple]

maze with fast archies oh no oh god

it's plutonia all over again

[solar brook]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-laughing-phoebe-gif-15082477

[trail steeple]

just reminded myself that i have a WIP wad i still haven't finished because of probably burning out a bunch of months ago

[hasty brook]

is there a way to make enemies see through walls? I wanna set up a room with caco fireballs constantly going through walls and you have to try and run through collecting items while dodging fireballs going through walls but they can't exactly see the player through the wall (so far I'm only at a theoretic level of designing so if theres a thing I missed or a way to do it please tell me)

[solar brook]

Not "see through" walls, but you can work with "audio pipes" that triggers enemys. Basically a 1 tile wide "pipe" that connects two rooms

[hasty brook]

thank you, that should work

[solar brook]

Just make it "Block Player" and "Block Weapons" and slap a texture on it

[trail steeple]

i want to make demons see through walls
i actually don't want them to see through walls

if you make a linedef you can put a middle texture on it,and then you can just check the "block monsters/players" box

that should do the trick

[safe steppe]

^

[solar brook]

Also work with teleporters if you want them not just "clip through walls"

John Romero also did this in his latest level "One Humanity"

@hasty brook

[safe steppe]

I am not sure this is what they meant

I think they mean a regular wall that you can walk through

[solar brook]

I'm just offering a more elegant way to transfer enemys into a room

[hasty brook]

no, I meant activates enemies without being seen

[hasty brook]

and thanks

[safe steppe]

Oh then follow this one

[solar brook]

Those "Audio Pipes" are especially awesome if you make maps in boom format where you are limited with scripting and stuff

[solar brook]

---

Title: The Maze
Description: Well... it's a maze.

Difficulty's [WIP]
Handled via script - Activated by entering a teleporter in the hub

I'm too young to die

• Just find the exit
• No Guns

Hurt me plenty

• Shotgun start
• Have a few enemys in the maze
• Normal amount of medipacks in the maze

Ultra-Violence

• Shotgun start
• Have Archviles in the maze
• Normal amount of medipacks in the maze

Nightmare

• Shotgun start
• Normal Enemys + Archviles
• Less medipacks in the maze

Ultra-Nightmare

• Super Shotgun start
• Normal enemys + archviles
• Less medipacks in the maze
• Time limit

---

[crisp dragon]

Oh damn

[glacial skiff]

Guitar Pro 5 is the best midi editor I've used personally, results can be heard in BTSX E1M6

I may have a handful of other midis floating around in other mods, most notable other example I can think of is one of Xaser's levels from PRCP

GP5 is obviously focused on tablature primarily, so you will get the most out of it if you are a guitarist or similar, but that is why I find it so nice to edit midis with

[toxic dew]

I'm too poor to buy GP5 so i use tux guitar. i think it's a nice alternative

[lusty dove]

Can I not use the software I already have?

I already own fl studio, could I make that work?

[glacial skiff]

If you want, sure - I was just speaking to the question of "what would you recommend"

I've never used Tux Guitar, but if it's like GP I trust it's great

[safe steppe]

Yeah I think so, look up fl studio midi

MIDI is the music format doom uses

[lusty dove]

fl can export midi, but im not sure it can do all of the channels and stuff properly

since its not really designed for that

[lusty dove]

what channels does doom have for its midi?

[glacial skiff]

All, except you should probably be aware that Doom does not directly use midi

Vanilla's internal format is called "mus", though you can include a raw midi in the wadfile and even vanilla will be happy with that. It just gets converted internally, so this has some important limitations

1. the midi you include can't really be bigger than around 96K (because of the 64K mus limit)
2. there is a static "notes per second" limit of something on the order of 140Hz

The most important distinction is that, if memory serves, lots of tempo changes are liable to eventually screw up instrument tracking and put everything out of wack

This is a midi I output that I seem to recall really makes a laughing stock of Doom's internal mus conversion

[lusty dove]

what do you mean by all

[glacial skiff]

All 16 channels work, provided the output hardware can actually service them

[lusty dove]

hmm, fl doesnt have any specific 16 channels

[glacial skiff]

The midi file format contains up to 16 channels. Channel 10 is reserved specifically for percussion. It's up to FL to map those remaining 15 some kind of way, I'm sorry I can't be of further help with that program

[lusty dove]

ok

oh, fl has a system called prepare for midi output that maps all of the channels to midi channels

[glacial skiff]

Trying to be more ambitious with the lighting. Areas have to be a little simpler to accommodate but I think it's worth the tradeoff

[lusty dove]

does this work on windows 10 lmao?

what does any of this mean?

[safe steppe]

You need to download a node builder and just choose it's path

Ignore all the options you don't need them

[glacial skiff]

A node builder is required to play Doom levels. They split up the levels into convex polygons so that they can be drawn to the screen more easily later. The check boxes are common options to let you mess with the behavior of this process

[lusty dove]

what if im not gonna use this to make levels at all, im using udb for that and i just want to use this to add stuff like music

[safe steppe]

Then you don't need a node builder, just skip it

[lusty dove]

ok

[glacial skiff]

I highly recommend giving the SLADE level editor a chance later

It's got some really neat stuff, like being able to edit textures while looking at stuff in 3D view, almost in real time

[lusty dove]

do the 16 channels represent specific instruments?

[glacial skiff]

No - except channel 10

Channel 10 represents percussion, no exceptions

[lusty dove]

ok

does doom have specific instruments?

[glacial skiff]

Depends on what output device you're talking about

[lusty dove]

howabout the sc-55

[glacial skiff]

Then no, Doom does not contain specific instruments for that output device

[lusty dove]

i want my wad to be vanilla compatible, and thats what is normally used right?

[glacial skiff]

For Soundblaster/OPL, there are specific instruments, which I believe are defined in GENMIDI or something?

There is a specific lump for it, but I don't recall which it is - I think DMXGUS contains GUS instrument mappings as well if you want to cover that base

[lusty dove]

lmao this is too much information, il deal with this later

[glacial skiff]

For the most part you can probably assume that your midi will sound acceptable on OPL, just give it a listen before considering it "vanilla compatible"

[lusty dove]

ok

maybe il just yoink the default soundfont out of gzdoom and input that into my daw

[flat pebble]

When the bot deletes your screenshot
Anyways, what do I do if when I'm trying to host a server that I get the error "There are files containing duplicate lumps that require authentication"(trying to host a local project brutality match)

[glacial skiff]

Layout thus far

Starts as a bronze/star techbase in the north and going south leads you deeper downwards into woodmet/flesh hellfort

[solar brook]

Hey looks pretty good!

[glacial skiff]

"Wood-metal gore fortress"??

[bright owl]

I have finished making a level that I would like feedback on. it's admittedly very short but I think it's exciting enough to be interesting

[toxic dew]

i got in the yellow key room and the way out isnt very clear
im actually kinda stuck

oh i found it through wall humping but it just felt like a secret

[bright owl]

Yeah I should probably put a different texture to make it clearer

[toxic dew]

also it'd help if all the wall's werent the textures that are meant to be doors so i can differentiate with actual doors
and the exit switch wall should have a switch texture as well along with adding an exit sign

i like the implementation of the teleports tho

[bright owl]

Noted on the switch thing. I used the door wall texture because I couldn’t find any other ones I liked aesthetically and I can’t get texture importing to work right.

Also what is your verdict on my combat?

[toxic dew]

i played this on UV and found that there just wasnt enough ammos to kill even a quarter of the enemies. i just kinda speedran through all the demons

[bright owl]

Did you find the first floor secrets?

[toxic dew]

mega-armor one or did i miss?

[bright owl]

There’s shells and a plasma rifle with cells in hidden rooms on the first floor. With those it becomes doable but the ammo is still tight

[toxic dew]

ooh ok imma try to find it.
i'd still say map shouldnt rely on secret for there to be enough ammo unless there's a berserk tho

oop there it is i found it

[bright owl]

One is a misaligned texture near the chair and the other is a silver door in the back of the main room.
That’s reasonable. I’ll adjust it

[toxic dew]

adjust ammos and textures and i think it'd be a pretty solid map

[bright owl]

Thanks. I’ll implement the changes tomorrow

[safe steppe]

I would love to try it, unfortunately I am kinds busy but I will check it out in like 8 hours

[bright owl]

Thanks. I need to sleep now anyway

[safe steppe]

Goodnight then

[runic breach]

what are some good maps to play with demonstelee?

[solar brook]

Slowly making progress ^_^

[runic breach]

those look nice

[glacial skiff]

Ask me about D64D2 MAP01 :)))

Actually instead of looking like I'm pumping my ego I'll skip to the advice I was going to give regarding how the lighting effect could work in that room

Be aware that negative light values are completely valid and can be used to do complex multi-level fades with effect 8, for example

Me and Mechadon had a go of trying to get this to work in D64D2, but we never quite figured it out. Maybe you'll have better luck?

[glacial skiff]

That's a tiny boy so far haha! You should see my previous PSX level that hits all the major size limits

Or this one from my iwad

[solar brook]

[safe steppe]

Just finished the map on UV, it looks very experimental to me so I am not gonna judge the map and instead give you general advice:
-Give the rooms a unique shape instead of being a simple square, it gives it much more depth and possibilities.
-Know when to use each texture, some textures are made specifically for doors, others are made specifically for switches, etc... you need to learn what the purpose of each texture is and use them accordingly.
-Have a nice color palette, this is more of an art-style advice but a nice color palette is much better than brown on brown.
-Use regular teleporters instead of silent ones, silent teleports are useful for some applications, however most of the time you should use normal teleports.
-Make sure you have the right amount of ammo, don't have too much and don't have too little, also avoid placing ammo in secrets - maps should be beatable without getting any secrets.
-The two smaller sides of doors should be surrounded by the wall, just like real life doors.
-Have the player start with weak weapons and work their way into getting better and better weapons later on the level - not a necessity but usually a good option.
-Mid textures shouldn't be used as walls most of the time.

And remember, with each map you create, you become a better mapper, so never stop mapping!

[bright owl]

Okay thanks. I used the door texture for walls entirely because I wanted wooden walls and there just isn’t a lot to work with in vanilla textures and I haven’t been able to import custom textures for some reason.

The silent teleport to the arena was meant to seem like it was a room that is bigger on the inside

[glacial skiff]

Woodmet? Wood# textures?

[toxic dew]

If you're using Doom 2 assets, highly recommend PANCASE2, PANCASE1, FLAT5_2, etc

[glacial skiff]

If in doubt, d1gfxd2.wad also contains some nice wood panelling

[toxic dew]

WOOD12 is good too

[crisp dragon]

I'll review your wad Molly when I get home

[glacial skiff]

Pancase and panbord are criminally underrated

[bright owl]

Okay thanks. The problem has been actually using the alternate textures though

[crisp dragon]

And a couple others for the project I'm working on too

Just have to finish my homework first before doing any of this 😒

[toxic dew]

fr fr

[glacial skiff]

A quick suggestion I usually give is to try using some zero height sectors to make texture stacks

You can get a lot out of that trick and just two well chosen textures, so experiment often with it!

[glacial skiff]

More from the woodmet gore fortress

[night pond]

anyone have tips for making a monster closet

im new to mapping and i just cant get it to work

[glacial skiff]

What are you trying to do exactly

[night pond]

Once you walk past a certain line, a door opens with zombieman and shotguners

[wispy relic]

Okay, so first you make a closet, then make a door in front of it.
Give that door sector a tag.
Next, draw your tripwire line. Give it an action like "W1 Door Open Stay (Fast)", and give it the tag that the door sector has

Now put some zombies/imps behind the door, and you have a monster closet.
For a really simple example of this done in Doom 2, look at map 3's trap with the blue armor at the start of the level

Or map 2's trap with the red key.

Always always look at how the original games pulled things off if you want to do something similar in your WAD; it'll give you a more thorough understanding of how something works rather than just knowing it's possible, and it'll also maybe give you inspiration for ideas of your own

[night pond]

thank you

[trail steeple]

have y'all ever had a moment when you realise you have a wad you haven't finished but have 0 motivation to finish it

[bright owl]

Yeah. I was working on my first WAD but all the levels had significant problems so I decided to start a new project from scratch rather than fix the levels I’d made

[trail steeple]

and i still haven't finished the 4th level of my first wad

i planned having 5 levels

the best thing i can do now is just put the wad in its current state here and maybe in the future i'll work on it

[safe steppe]

I feel ya

[trail steeple]

🫂

so here's the wad

4 levels,the 4th one is unfinished
play on GZDoom,with the doom 2 IWAD

have fun

[safe steppe]

Will definitely try it after my school

[trail steeple]

btw i'd recommend playing the wad on Hurt Me Plenty

[edgy mesa]

how do you add models to ultimate doom builder?

this is the model im trying to get in the game

[trail steeple]

you can't just add a 3d model into a 2.5d game

[runic breach]

iirc gzdoom supports 3d models

[edgy mesa]

Still cant add it

[trail steeple]

try finding a guide online,or ask on the gzdoom forums,because i don't know

[toxic dew]

it looks and plays amazing
blind pinky's corpse has collision so it kept softlocking me cuz the corpse's in the way of where i'm trying to get to

[trail steeple]

wait what

if that's the case then how do i fix it because i forgot how to edit decorate files

i know how to open it in slade and such,just dunno how to turn off corpse collisions

[glacial skiff]

A_Fall, generally

A_NoBlocking also works

Also this wad is a mess

[trail steeple]

and where do i add this

[glacial skiff]

Decorate

[trail steeple]

i know which file,but where do i paste this in the file itself

[glacial skiff]

I could not tell you which one, as there are 24 Decorate lumps, but if you examine the lumps you'll figure it out

[trail steeple]

i'm not saying in which lump do i put this in,i'm asking where in the lump itself do i put this a_noblocking thingy

[glacial skiff]

Look at the 24 Decorate lumps yourself, it won't be difficult to figure out

[trail steeple]

aight,i think i know where to add it in now

should it look like this ?

[trail steeple]

oh ok

[toxic dew]

i wrote it like this, tested it, and worked

im unfamiliar with decorate so i cant tell you why but it doesnt work when A_NoBlocking is put on the last line

[glacial skiff]

Because it never gets called on that line

[trail steeple]

i'm listening

[glacial skiff]

If the duration of the frame is -1, then I believe the game never reaches a point where it can process A_NoBlocking on that sprite

[toxic dew]

ah i see, thank you

[glacial skiff]

You have 24 unnamed Decorate lumps and about as many sprite namespaces

protip:
#include LUMPNAME #include LUMPNAM2
etc.

[trail steeple]

i don't think i get it

[glacial skiff]

If you will not merge all the Decorate lumps, then at least name them and #include them

[trail steeple]

then how do i merge them

do i just paste all the code from each decorate file into a single one ?

[glacial skiff]

You should try it and find out

[wispy relic]

then at least name them and #include them
does this work in WAD files, or is it only possible in PK3s?

[glacial skiff]

It works fine in wads, you just address the lump name without an extension like you'd expect

Example, #include ZOMBIE3 will include the lump by that name (don't know how name collisions are processed)

I would also like to point out to everyone that #includes can be chained, and in the context of a pk3, you may specify a directory and filename as well. For example, #include Zscript/Gimmicks/Model_Bridge_001.z

I guess what I'm really saying is "organize your shit" 🙂

In fact you'll probably notice that in most cases, directory structure is kind of freeform. Another powerful example is how the "sprite" namespace also includes subdirectories, like Sprites/Deadbrain/Death/*.png

Or Textures/Nature/*, you get the idea

[solar brook]

👀

[glacial skiff]

Another fun one is when the format in question doesn't support includes, you can instead use the form Textures.(any-extension) to break up groups of TEXTURES definitions for example

(Textures.nature1, Textures.wood, etc. all sitting in the pk3 root directory will all get read and processed at load time together)

[edgy mesa]

hello, i want to extract the allied soldiers in Wolfenstein Boa, but i cant find the decorate file,do i need to write a new one?

[solar brook]

So glad there is a map editor for DOOM 64, where i can copy some parts out of the original .wad

[glacial skiff]

Good mix of gray stone and green bricks, classy

I only have 1 meg of space available for graphics so please forgive some simplifications

(I would normally have done something else with the STARTAN)

[edgy mesa]

Anyone?

[glacial skiff]

Are you familiar with how Decorate is loaded by the game

[whole blade]

Blade of agony is likely to be zscript

[upbeat path]

https://twitter.com/majorarlene/status/1504641286837518339?s=20&t=2BEbHW3NfoLo0zUW_wCKwg

ceasefire. 🇺🇦 (@majorarlene)

.@Jazzmaster9 and I made a bridge today. and it was FUN. #doom #dancingintheabyss #leveldesign https://t.co/IbxtqjL2Nh

Twitter · Mar 18, 2022, 2:10 AM

[glacial skiff]

Black background walls could possibly benefit from a stack

Visual explanation

[solar brook]

Big boi

[crisp dragon]

Nice

[still dagger]

Is the editor Doom Builder or something else, if you don't mind me askin'

[glacial skiff]

It is a variant of DB

[solar brook]

Ultimate DOOM Builder, yes

[still dagger]

UDB can edit 64?

[solar brook]

nope, but Doom Builder 64 (Also often just called DB64) can open and edit them. But its not as good compared to UDB

oh i should have read the previous messages haha, sorry

[still dagger]

Alrighty, thanks

[solar brook]

btw. you need DOOM 64 EX in order to play modified maps or maps you created. As far as i know it doesnt work with the Steam port of DOOM64

[glacial skiff]

Steam Doom 64 works fine for custom maps

Pass -file as normal

[solar brook]

huh? How?

[glacial skiff]

As I said, pass -file mod.wad as normal

[haughty flower]

can somebody please help me?

[glacial skiff]

With

[haughty flower]

i dont know how to use doom builder

[glacial skiff]

"Google is not allowed here"??

[safe steppe]

Some things that can help you:

1. look up a guide.
2. read the documentation.
3. watch a youtube tutorial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EucWtn__O8Q&list=PL-36gm0W-VKmfVVCGe1HTVABepUXshxjY

[haughty flower]

thank you

[glacial skiff]

Why on earth am I not allowed to link to Google

[safe steppe]

idk stupid vega bot

also yeah @haughty flower next time you can just ask google, if there is no answer ask here and we'll gladly help

[glacial skiff]

That is ... painful, but anyway, Google has 99% of the answers and I'm almost certain the ZDoom Wiki will have the other 1% of answers you can't find

Oh ok, links to the Doom Builder official site are not allowed either

[safe steppe]

if it's a harmless link, just remove the https at the start

[glacial skiff]

doombuilder.com/index.php?p=tutorials

Seems like an eminently useful link to have on hand

[safe steppe]

I was going to link that as well but the bot didn't allow me

Hey mods, if you by any chance read this can we have the doombuilder site be allowed by vega

[whole blade]

i see you've found the stairbuilder 😉

[whole blade]

the link whitelist has been set up by the server admins. trying to get past it is grounds for a warning. i know it seems a bit silly to have some seemingly innocuous sites blocked but it's done because otherwise we have to deal with a vast array of shit posting and garbage. this is the only way to keep our jobs as mods manageable

Link to Ultimate Doombuilder
https://devbuilds.drdteam.org/ultimatedoombuilder/

[whole blade]

however, i can do this c:

[solar brook]

Indeed :D

Makes stuff sooo much easier

[whole blade]

very nice

[random matrix]

Anyone knows what the name of the Doom version of the "Hexeretic Fantasy" wad is?

[fathom halo]

in dehacked or in vanilla, can you change which monster does tag 666(the keen thing)?

[glacial skiff]

Yes, but the process is not obvious

You effectively need to replace the Keen/Manc/Arach thing rather than just putting a codepointer on something else

[runic breach]

how the hell do you edit a monster sprite in slade3

[glacial skiff]

Graphic > Extract as PNG is probably what you want

[runic breach]

thanks

[fathom halo]

this doesn't seem to be what happens in Not Even Remotely Fair. The Tyrant has the death trigger but he replaces the spiderdemon(I loaded up levels of vanilla that usually have spiderdemons). Whereas the keens in map32 were replaced with spiderdemons that don't trigger 666

[glacial skiff]

Are they lacking A_BossDeath?

(or A_KeenDeath, as the case were)

[brittle wing]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/128114-doom-the-summoning-second-level-w-combined-wad-file/?tab=comments#comment-2469675

Hey anyone wanna try my lvl? I worked pretty hard on it

[toxic dew]

im on the first map
i killed all 32 enemies in it and i have no idea where to go. the switch in a big room with the lava doesnt work, is that intentional?

[brittle wing]

Yea

Wait the lava doesn’t work?

[toxic dew]

might be hard to see but the switch on the center does not work

i tried using it, shooting it, all the sides to no avail

[brittle wing]

??? I thought i fixed that

Sry man didn’t mean for it to be that way

Its not your fault

It should have been able to be switched to the next lvl

[toxic dew]

see how the middle's T thing on the sector is facing inward?

that means it's only usable from the inside

selecting the sector and pressing "F" would turn it which would fix the problem

it should look something like this

[brittle wing]

Yeah

I thought so

[toxic dew]

also, on MAP02, i pistol started it, and i think it's kinda unfair that it just drops me into a room with bunch of enemies without any weapons

[brittle wing]

Yeah i should have probably put a shotgun there

Didn’t account for pistol starts

Sry bout that

[toxic dew]

when i test out maps, i always pistol start, and do a segment run to see game balance

[toxic dew]

nah you're fine bro making mistakes makes you better at mapping

[brittle wing]

Thx, Ill be on that but in the meantime did you like the map pack?

[toxic dew]

havent finished it so wait a little :P

[brittle wing]

Alr well either way thx for playing!

[toxic dew]

ofc man always :)

[crisp dragon]

usually when mappers make maps they balance for segmented runs and pistol starters, so a good thing to keep in mind next time

[fathom halo]

the spiderdemons that I find where the keens used to be do not open up the wall that normally reveals the map32 exit switch. So I suppose they lack A_KeenDeath.

[night pond]

brutal doom platinum wont work because "Execution could not continue. 2 errors while parsing DECORATE scripts"

[glacial skiff]

What precisely are the errors

[night pond]

thats all the info i got

[glacial skiff]

Ensure you are using the version of ZDoom intended for that mod

[glacial skiff]

Reworked PSX light table that includes free space and a bunch of useful transitional colors to make the keycard door lights more generally useful. This works the same way as editing a palette/colormap in GIMP/PS, with the input format RGBA8

Top half is mostly the original definitions, but pressed into half the space. There is enough granularity between these original shades and the sector lighting field that you should be able to get by

[twilit monolith]

Can someone tell me where the Vanilla Doom's difficulty selection code is?

I've being trying to find that for a while now...

[glacial skiff]

static void M_ChooseSkill(int choice), part of m_menu.c

More specifically, this may be of interest:

menuitem_t NewGameMenu[]=
{
    {1,"M_JKILL",    M_ChooseSkill, 'i'},
    {1,"M_ROUGH",    M_ChooseSkill, 'h'},
    {1,"M_HURT",    M_ChooseSkill, 'h'},
    {1,"M_ULTRA",    M_ChooseSkill, 'u'},
    {1,"M_NMARE",    M_ChooseSkill, 'n'}
};```

The actual difficulty selection is placed into the global game state in g_game.c, in void G_DeferedInitNew ( skill_t skill, int episode, int map)

[safe steppe]

I wonder, is it still possible to compile linuxdoom on a modern system and run it in the tty?

[twilit monolith]

Ah I see, where are those files/code stored specfically? I am trying to make Nightmare difficulty without having the respawn monsters and double ammo for my friend, but not sure where to edit them :/

[safe steppe]

UV fast + double ammo option in GZDoom is an option

But if you want to edit the source code, you can go to the crispy doom/chocolate doom github page

[twilit monolith]

Oh rly? Nice! Because I use Crispy Doom!

[safe steppe]

Download the source code, edit it, compile it, if you are not a developer I highly advice against this

[twilit monolith]

oh... Yeah I probably can't do that :/ Very new to Doom's code and stuff...

[safe steppe]

It took me a good two hours to edit and compile crispy doom for the first time

Maybe I just suck st programming :p

If you are trying to learn a bit about programming I think messing with doom's source code is a good idea

[twilit monolith]

Yeah, is there a good Doom code editor out there?

[safe steppe]

Doom is written in c/c++

Any IDE that supports c/c++ will work

[twilit monolith]

My original intention with this question was to get rid of respawning mosnters/ Double ammo

Oh i see... cool!

[safe steppe]

Then I recommend just using GZDoom

In the gameplay options you can hive double ammo

And set the difficulty to UV fast

Very close to nightmare difficulty without respawning monsters

[twilit monolith]

Oh, I see. So I ahve a C++ compiler here, do I just upload the wad file to make it read the code or waht?

[safe steppe]

Forget about coding or compiling

Just use GZDoom it has all the options you want built in

[twilit monolith]

ah, alright

thanks for helping though

[safe steppe]

@twilit monolith Just enable these settings in GZDoom gameplay options

[twilit monolith]

I see, thank you very much!

[glacial skiff]

Developing on Chocolate/Crispy's source base is actually really easy, and I highly recommend it

The Msys2 environment is not ... necessarily to everyone's taste, but you can get it up and running pretty easily

It's probably not in the scope of what you want to do, but it can be a great way to just try weird shit that's not necessarily supported by any source port

[night pond]

is there any way to change the music from a map 01 to something like map 11?

[safe steppe]

Idmus cheat code

[night pond]

i meant for the map itself

idmus is one of my favorite cheats tho

[safe steppe]

You can create a PWAD with slade that replaces the music

For example: extract the map11 music from your doom2.wad, then create a new empty PWAD and add that music lump to it, then all you have to do is rename it to map01 music name which is D_RUNNIN

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Doom_II_music

[night pond]

thank you

[normal holly]

First timer, just started making wads like a day or two ago

ZDOOM with Doom 2 Iwad btw

[sullen swift]

Dang it. I though I screwed up. Okay, Does anyone know of any doom 2 mods that are arena survival type, such as; Doom slayer chronicles.

[fallen panther]

@bright owl
This spot is where they fire from

Those windows in the distance and they can basically cover just about anywhere you can move to during the battle

And that's while I'm doing this whole encounter with two 6 summoned soldier allies to help me and a swath of call of dooms more powerful explosives that let me take out hordes of enemies in a single shot

It's the God damn rev damage rolls and multiple hitting me at once while I'm trying to avoid getting hit up close

The annoying part is i have a damn sniper rifle on me if they'd even step one pixel out of that fake wall I could kill them

[runic breach]

what mod

[fallen panther]

Call of doom. map set running late 2

[runic breach]

ty
it looks cool

[fallen panther]

Looks cool but as I've been ranting about this encounter is absolutely annoying

[fickle jackal]

you mean doom 4?

[fallen panther]

No the full mods name is call of doom black warfare
It's a gz doom mod

Doom 4 is doom 2016

[fickle jackal]

i was joking lol

[fallen panther]

A little too irked to joke right now

[runic breach]

the revenants really pissed you off that much huh

[fickle jackal]

not THAT doom 4, the doom 4 that got put in the trash bin

[fallen panther]

If I could actually snipe them i wouldn't be as pissed off because I'd be able to shoot them before the real encounter even starts but that requires actually being able to spot their bodies not just the missles they shoot

And in order to stand still to aim long enough to hit them based on their missle fire you'd already be taking multiple hits

[runic breach]

yeah i'd also probably get annoyed as hell

[fallen panther]

Honestly i would almost rather it just be a cyber demon turret on a pillar

I can at least take advantage of that to make in fighting happen with mister cyber but nope

Finally done but i kinda just went nuts summoning allies to help me deal with all the enemies quickly and the rev missles still brought me close to death 3 More times

I can't even imagine trying to do this encounter with just the regular doom arsenal

No wait I died again after the encounter was over to another stray damn rev missle

[coral yarrow]

are there any good tutorials to get started on making mods?

[glacial skiff]

YouTube and Doom Builder's website contain lots of good info to get you started authoring levels

For Zscript, the frontier is still untamed, but you can get started at the ZDoom Wiki

[coral yarrow]

Any links for the YouTube vids?

[glacial skiff]

I'm not likely to be able to link them here, and I'd rather not cause a fuss, so just go search yourself

[bright owl]

I kinda want to see a mod that recreates a version of Battlemode in Classic Doom’s system. Maybe the demon side could play like a simple RTS managing demon positioning to try to screw the Doomguy player as much as possible. That sounds hard to make but also really fun

[strong tusk]

a map i made. its gonna be a map pack but so far this is the first one.(this is also for experienced players)

its more of a layout

https://youtu.be/Afm7ncg2wTY and here's the actual view

[coral yarrow]

Alright, then

[upbeat path]

https://twitter.com/majorarlene/status/1506445588446986241?s=20&t=1xigCzS8ez_mCq1SEofDIQ

ceasefire. 🇺🇦 (@majorarlene)

how it's starting//how it's going #doom #doom2 #leveldesign #dancingintheabyss

Twitter · Mar 23, 2022, 1:39 AM

[ivory kettle]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/128189-wad-challenge-metallica-songs-to-doom-maps/

made a mapping challenge to anyone that wants to join in

[fringe atlas]

So, I've been looking to try and recreate a number of the Call of Duty zombies maps inside doom, however the majority of the maps include a number of floors/layers. If I were to use ZDoom's Linedef portals (as seen in #the-future yesterday), would something like this be achievable?

[wispy relic]

Structurally, probably. The issue is that the enemy AI doesn’t react as you would expect/want to portals iirc. That is to say, they can’t see the player through them and won’t attack until they’ve crossed the portal line

[fringe atlas]

Hmm, okay, makes sense. I'll see what I can do to sort of work with it, thanks!

[runic breach]

any mods where you fight a really big boss?
i saw a br0leg video with a giant cyberdemon and ngl that'd be really cool

[karmic egret]

Whats the easiest way to mod doom?

[safe steppe]

Create mods or play them?

[runic breach]

yeah create mods or play them

[safe steppe]

Guess I'll answer both in a very brief manner.

Play mods:

• Download a mod file (usually ends with .wad or .pk3).
• Drag and drop that file on your favorite sourceport.
• If you don't have a source port, download and set up GZDoom.

Create mods:

• For mapping use Ultimate Doom Builder or SLADE 3.
• For modding use SLADE 3 with Whacked 4.

[karmic egret]

Ok thx

[oblique fiber]

Beautiful Doom keeps crashing every time I try using it, getting Vulkan out-of-memory errors upon loading levels and it won't get past the menu at all on OpenGL

[glacial skiff]

What's your GPU

[haughty flower]

this looks like the predator ship form the predator series.

looking badass btw

[glacial skiff]

TIL PSX Doom is subject to some oddities with how the sound hardware works, meaning music often doesn't play back exactly the way it is defined

For musicians: pitch bends can only go upwards to about a factor of 4. Some songs in PSX UD sound noticeably different if this limit is raised

[karmic egret]

Does anyone know a good tutorial for making mods for doom?

[glacial skiff]

Define "mod"

Do you mean making levels? Replacing existing content without programming changes? Adding entirely new things? Each of these processes is different

[safe steppe]

Mapping: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-36gm0W-VKmfVVCGe1HTVABepUXshxjY

DeHacked (Basic Modding):
https://youtu.be/PTn-oK8m2KU

Modding, especially using ZScript is highly customizable and advanced but also is a large topic and can be quite complicated. Dehacked is a lot more basic but it allows you to change many of the games behavior relatively easily.

It's good to learn basic mapping + dehacked then learn the more advanced topics on your own.

[glacial skiff]

(To be clear, Zscript remains something of an "unexplored frontier" in many regards)

[karmic egret]

Mama mia I'm stupid at figuring out this stuff

But thx

[glacial skiff]

GMS tool for converting PLAYPAL-style 768 byte palettes to PSX compatible LIGHTS lumps, and applying custom light tables to Doom Builder PSX v2. GMZ is source; if you do not have Game Maker Studio, open it as a zip. You can verify what's going on by looking in the "scripts" folder

This, specifically, is the code that may be contentious since we're talking about executable patching:

///D_PatchBuilder(exe_buffer, rgb8_buffer);

var exe = argument0;
var rgb = argument1;

var i=0;

var exe_save_state = buffer_tell(exe);
var rgb_save_state = buffer_tell(rgb);

buffer_seek(exe, buffer_seek_start, BUILDER_PALETTE_START);
buffer_seek(rgb, buffer_seek_start, 0);

for(i=0; i<256; i++) {
    buffer_write(exe,buffer_u8,buffer_read(rgb,buffer_u8)); //red
    buffer_write(exe,buffer_u8,buffer_read(rgb,buffer_u8)); //green
    buffer_write(exe,buffer_u8,buffer_read(rgb,buffer_u8)); //blue
}```

Example use case with completely custom from-scratch LIGHTS table

[whole blade]

Line portals are good for linking disparate parts of the map. If you want to build a visible multilayered 3d structure then sector portal slices or 3d floors are what you'll want to use for the most part

[whole blade]

Enemy AI behaves perfectly fine with static portals. They actually are built in the bsp so mobs will path through them fine. Teleporter based line portals are where they'll get confused, although there are tricks to get the enemies to go where you want them

[fringe atlas]

Okay, I see. Thank you

[solar brook]

That looks fucking sick m8!

[glacial skiff]

Thank 🐶

Funny, the thing I worked on most in that shot was the custom bronze looking textures that ended up just looking like the regular bronze stuff anyway

[haughty flower]

https://twitter.com/SkeletronM/status/1507514540631773188?s=20&t=K4U-R4noFPQ7X4rRqj3VtQ

skeletronMK666 (@SkeletronM)

https://t.co/lKskXSShTp

Robcop VS Terminator: Deathmatch Release Candidate 1 is now available for download! additional versions slated for release before Offical 1.0 release

Twitter · Mar 26, 2022, 12:27 AM

https://www.moddb.com/mods/robocop-vs-terminator-deathmatch

[glacial skiff]

I have to say, the art and subject matter mesh really well

It's like, evocative of late 90s CGI put into Doom, in a good way - if that makes sense

[runic breach]

accurate d2016 monster pack that works with embers of armageddon?

[crisp dragon]

strongbelly's EOA monster pack

[runic breach]

thank you very much
do you have a link?
i can google it

[crisp dragon]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/embers-of-armageddon/addons/doom-4-monsters-addon-but-its-compatible-with-the-newest-eoa-version

[runic breach]

thank you so much

[haughty flower]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnpBtxjCvyA

https://www.moddb.com/mods/robocop-vs-terminator-deathmatch/downloads/robocop-vs-terminator-10#downloadsform

[rain snow]

Sonic Robo Blast 2 looks really fun ngl

https://tenor.com/view/maddiesrb2-gif-21895884

(Yes this is a doom mod, trust me)

[crisp dragon]

Gah dayum

The stuff they're going with GZDoom is insane

[glacial skiff]

SRB2 is its own branch of Doom Legacy and is a standalone game

All the more impressive if you ask me

[runic breach]

it's not made with gzdoom
it's a heavily modified version of the doom engine

still impressive though

[haughty flower]

remake of demontech repeater is done. I put in the process here https://boosty.to/smoke_th/posts/f5ffc13c-1d9c-430b-b550-6861b1058068 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/466975004018475018/957586906496008202/DTRNF0.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854092174395310120/957559130569199696/unknown.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854092174395310120/957559130296578108/unknown.png

[haughty flower]

original is amuscaria's mauler gun https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854092174395310120/956630902551748648/rxFhZWy.png
and this is the original edit which is old demontech repeater https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854092174395310120/951230029457682432/unknown.png

[royal wave]

That's a really neat looking gun

[naive tundra]

im trying to make my own doom maps with doombuilderx. when i use the ultimate doom DOOM.exe to test the map, it gives me this error. i have GZdoom, but i dont really want to use it. what should i do?

[crisp dragon]

use UDB

also use the wad and with a more vanilla sourceport like DSDA-Doom, not the exe

[naive tundra]

when i open ultimate doombuilder, theres not an ultimate doom option

i only have ultimate doom

[runic breach]

skill issue tbh

[trail steeple]

that's literally doom 1

[runic breach]

lmfao

[safe steppe]

Doom.exe is the original ultimate doom executable from 1995, you can not run it on modern systems without an emulator like DosBox

[runic breach]

yes

[safe steppe]

Download a sourceport instead, you mentioned you have GZDoom but don't want to use it, if you want a close to vanilla experience download Crispy Doom

[haughty flower]

bad script

[haughty flower]

wait a minute, so yall know how doom was run through a pregnancy test?

does that mean it's possible to run plutonia experiment through it?

https://tenor.com/view/doom-weird-wtf-gaming-gif-18424441

[runic breach]

yeah because the game is run on something else
the pregnancy test is just used as a display

still really darn impressive though

[haughty flower]

that would be fun to watch tho

[runic breach]

yes
pregtonia

[haughty flower]

better yet make them use an snes controller cause that was "fun" to play doom on

[runic breach]

lmfao

[crisp dragon]

Wasn't that faked? It turned out to actually be a video

[haughty flower]

There was once a guy telling me ,,Walt do not play sunlust its extremely hard" and i ignored him

[haughty flower]

Hfs i just beated it

I mean my keyboard not the level

[naive tundra]

i know, and theres still not a doom 1 option. unless im just blind

[naive tundra]

thank you

[trail steeple]

or prboom+

[trail steeple]

are you trying to modify the doom 1 iwad

[naive tundra]

no

[naive tundra]

got something going

[haughty flower]

there is a Doom 1 option, two actually
Boom: Doom (Doom format) and Doom: Doom (Doom format)
however you have to enable the latter in the Game Configurations menu

[naive tundra]

my bad then

[naive tundra]

how do i make the player spawn with just fists?

[safe steppe]

You need to use DeHacked

DeHacked allows you to edit some doom gameplay properties, such as monsters, text, weapons etc...

Download WhackEd 4, and create a new file using:
Ultimate Doom 1.9 - if vanilla.
Boom - if boom format.
After that navigate to miscellaneous and change starting bullet ammo

[naive tundra]

kk

a new file as in

[naive tundra]

oh ok

[safe steppe]

In doom modding (vanilla/boom formats only), We use usually multiple tools

Doom Builders are for making maps

Slade is for editing textures and other resources

and WhackEd 4 is what you will use right now to edit properties

[naive tundra]

alright

im new with all of this, thats why i dont know about most of this

[safe steppe]

Feel free to ask anything whenever

[naive tundra]

alrighty

kk, edited what i wanted to, now what

wait i thiink i know

[safe steppe]

You can now save the file as any name you want and give it the file extension .deh

[naive tundra]

this good?

also it is dehacked

[safe steppe]

Yes

It should work now I think

By default the .deh file and .wad file are separate

I haven't used Doom Builder X so I don't know if it can automatically combine them but I am guessing it does

if not you'll have to combine the .wad and .deh using slade

[naive tundra]

kk

how do i do that? because the script wont work

[safe steppe]

do you know where the script is saved on your device?

[naive tundra]

yes, i have a little folder for my wad stuff until i group it together

[safe steppe]

Alrighty one second

Ok here's the process:

1. Download and install SLADE 3 and set it up.
2. Open your wad file in SLADE.
3. Drag and drop your .deh onto your SLADE window.
4. Rename the lump you just dropped to DEHACKED.

[naive tundra]

kk

like this?

[safe steppe]

Yes exactly, now just save it and try running it

[naive tundra]

kk, thank you

worked, but he still pulled the gun up for a second

whatever, good enough, thanks v!

actually he can still pull the gun out

[safe steppe]

sadly no solution to this

[naive tundra]

hm

[safe steppe]

Also I gotta say you are a very fast learner

[naive tundra]

ty

can i just remove the pistol entirely?

[safe steppe]

I don't think so, at least not in vanilla/boom

[naive tundra]

hm

[glacial skiff]

The solution to what you're asking for is to turn the pistol into the fist

However, this is not the wisest thing to do, either

[crisp dragon]

Not sure why you'd want to get rid of the pistol though

It serves nearly no purpose because it's so weak

[naive tundra]

i want to get rid of it so the player has no weapon at all

also, theres flashing lights in my map and i really dont know where they're coming from. do textures emit light?

[glacial skiff]

Do you have any sector effects set?

[thorny ether]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/128297-doom-track-replacer-for-wadsmoosh/

[haughty flower]

woah screenshot dump (I'll come back and post the other 8 screenshots later)

[haughty flower]

Looking sick!

[haughty flower]

posting the others now

what do you think lies behind this door? perhaps a murderous android? or maybe, a ticket out of this mess? instant death? who knows.

[runic breach]

that looks so good

[haughty flower]

ty!

[frozen slate]

dude those are some cool Auger Zenith vibes there. you made this?

[haughty flower]

yep! some of the textures that I used here are actually from AUGER;ZENITH, however most textures used here are from various texture packs I found on Realm667

[frozen slate]

Zenith really needs a sequel

its just such an awesome megawad

[haughty flower]

It really does tbh

[frozen slate]

Among with Ancient Aliens and Sunlust this is also one of my favourites

[glacial skiff]

Some 16 color conversions I did a long time ago

[runic breach]

these look awesome

[glacial skiff]

I am considering doing more work on these and putting together a 16-bit "conversion" of the vanilla assets, so you could play existing levels with this kind of coat of paint

I have a bunch of textures done too, but not all of it is Doom specific per se

[runic breach]

i would play the hell out of that so damn much if i'm being honest

i love the aesthetic to bits

[granite owl]

Yeah that's DOPE

[haughty flower]

apparently doom in a TI-84 calculator runs zdoom, so i might be able to run doom russian overkill on a TI-84

[glacial skiff]

Nowhere near enough memory to do so. "ZDoom" happens to be the name of the application

But I assure you there is zero relation

I doubt the Z80 those calcs run can even clock high enough to launch "actual" ZDoom

[runic breach]

there is no fucking way in hell that version is modern enough to run mods

[runic breach]

oh

yeah

[crisp dragon]

highly doubt it

[terse hamlet]

Does anyone know any good wads that take place entirely in hell?

[distant terrace]

hi folks, simple question but google absolutely does not help me out here:

is there a mod that will show WHERE something is activated by a switch?

Maybe on the map, or a direction/compass, maybe lines on the ground, i'll take anything.

I've been playing so many great megawads but I'm just getting ground down spending 30+ minutes figuring out where i need to go with all these cursed timed switches.

it sucks that the wads with (what i consider) great combat often insist on having these long sequences of timed switches that take me all over the level

[strong dock]

thats a lot of cacodemons

[haughty flower]

aww cacodemons and pinkies 😊

[naive tundra]

hey, how do you make a key door gate? like in the 2nd level of doom 2

[solar brook]

UDMF or BOOM?

[naive tundra]

udm means ultimate doom right?

[solar brook]

no, i want to know what map format you are using to make maps

[runic breach]

UDMF is its own format

[solar brook]

UDMF means Universal Doom Map Format

[runic breach]

ohhhhhh

[naive tundra]

oh ok

[runic breach]

udmf works on anything

[solar brook]

Not really, UDMF supports ZScript

[runic breach]

oh

[solar brook]

BOOM works on literally anything

[naive tundra]

let me check

[solar brook]

You can see it when you go into ur map options

If you are using UDB

[naive tundra]

ok, im using doom builder and its just Doom

well doom builder x to be specific

[solar brook]

uhhhm

[naive tundra]

i dont think theres any major difference to be honest

[solar brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4ULbXQwEfA

[naive tundra]

alrighty

[solar brook]

Video is easier than writing everything down

[naive tundra]

does this look like it fits in doom?

[trail steeple]

lacks shading

[naive tundra]

i posted that when i didnt shade the bandage thing

[naive tundra]

here it is now

[haughty flower]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/robocop-vs-terminator-deathmatch/downloads/robocop-vs-terminator-deathmatch-v101

[haughty flower]

guys is there any good doom wads that are compatible with pr boom plus and will not get bat shit insane like Sunlust?

[safe steppe]

Valiant

[haughty flower]

Yea but when i tried it the imp cabin in e1m1 didnt worked same for the switch and other

[crisp dragon]

Are you on complevel 9?

[safe steppe]

It should be complevel 11 for valiant

Since it is MBF format

[naive tundra]

in the editor it shows this (first), but in game it shows this (second). any idea what this is?

[crisp dragon]

oh i see

[haughty flower]

Oh i forgor about the complevel 💀

[karmic egret]

does anyone know how to replace textures for doom(ex if I wanted to replace a door or wall texture)

[glacial skiff]

Pure replacements are trivial; name your replacement texture the same as the texture you want to replace, and place it between P_START/P_END

Do not add it to TEXTURE#/PNAMES, it'll just work exactly this way

If you're using ZDoom, you can just put them in the "Textures" namespace to get the same effect (in a pk3, this would be under the "Textures/" folder, for example)

Do be sure however that if you're using the P_START/P_END method, make sure your replacement is exactly the same dimensions as the texture you are replacing or else there is undefined behavior for vanilla and usually at least unexpected behavior on Boom/etc

[karmic egret]

ok

[safe steppe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huYF2KiilV4

[haughty flower]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/robocop-vs-terminator-deathmatch/downloads/robocop-vs-terminator-deathmatch-v102

[trail steeple]

just press tab in the editor

[haughty flower]

They're not talking about the sky

[karmic egret]

Tried doing that but when I play the game it doesn't show up

[karmic egret]

Ima try again in the afternoon

[naive tundra]

the sky isn’t the problem, there’s a wall that I didn’t put there and can’t get rid of

[whole blade]

Show is the 2d editor view of this area

[edgy mesa]

Make another sector U shaped and lower the ceiling to floor height

[night pond]

can i port a map i started in udb into slade?

[runic breach]

ye

[night pond]

ok thanks

[runic breach]

sorry if i'm wrong

however i do know that wad files stay the same no matter what editor you use

[manic pecan]

uh

[safe steppe]

If they both have the same map format then yes

If you're using a common format like doom/boom/UDMF/MBF it should work just fine

[manic pecan]

yeah

[slate maple]

back to level making, my 25 level episodic wad is 95% completed. started this in 2015

and yes there are purple cacodemons in it, they are nasty

[night pond]

when you finish it, can you send me the download?

[slate maple]

Yes, it will be on Doomworld some day

[haughty flower]

Im so scared to even move 💀 💀

To the guy saying valiant is easy then frick u

[safe steppe]

Lol

Tbf I didn't say it's easy I implied it's much easier than sunlust which it is

[haughty flower]

Igs a fucking carnage after 7th level

[slate maple]

Match made in hell. Now we know where the TITLEPIC Demons came from. You will be seeing these in my wad. I call them fiends

credit to ShallowB on doomworld for drawing the sprites.

[night pond]

oof. i added all the wads for tnt, plutonia, and doom 2

i might just stick with plutonia because i prefer its style, but what do you guys suggest

[whole blade]

You're not meant to play that map like that

[whole blade]

Try em all, stick with whatever you like

[night pond]

Yeah I was just throwing ideas out

[whole blade]

Doom 2 is a pretty quick romp so a good one to go through

Tnt ... well should be experienced imo

But plutonia is my favourite

[haughty flower]

Wdym theres no way im running thru 5 archies

[whole blade]

Look at the signs around the map

The ones that indicate what not to do to the mancubus

[haughty flower]

Bro i killed him 3 shotted the cyber and left

[whole blade]

that's why the archviles appeared

[haughty flower]

Oh 💀 💀

[whole blade]

(i'm assuming this is map 07, the mancubian candidate)

[haughty flower]

Yes

Atlewst i got 140% of kills

[haughty flower]

try slaughterfest 2016. Then try it with Complex Clusterfuck Nexus

on 5 life limit

then come back to me.

[haughty flower]

Anyways i revinded to my older save and passed the level with 80+ hp

[whole blade]

👍

[slate maple]

Looking familiar?

lots of work still to be done

[night pond]

i like the red firey ascetic

im having trouble with the cage textures

[slate maple]

whats a cage texture

[night pond]

My peanut brain can’t think of the name

Anything like these textures

[brittle cypress]

No

[slate maple]

You want to use mid textured lindefs

And double sided

If I want to creat the illusion of glass, I suggest Shawn texture and reducing the alpha to about.4

[night pond]

Thanks

[haughty flower]

wtf, that was 2 YEARS ago!

LMFAO

[brittle cypress]

Actually

That was 4 years ago

[haughty flower]

LEAN CACO!!1!1!1!

[upbeat path]

https://twitter.com/majorarlene/status/1512767005593673730?s=20&t=uTuOmzZ5nXxeZlrveKvV5w

shannon//cannon 🇺🇦 (@majorarlene)

been having a ton of fun reworking @Yugiboy85 's map for DITA's hub! #screenshotsaturday #doom #leveldesign #doom2 #indiedev

Twitter · Apr 9, 2022, 12:18 PM

[crisp dragon]

2. hurt me plenty, ultra violence, and nightmare are impossible

Hm

[crisp dragon]

UV is possible confirmed, if you don't get 100% kills

[cerulean notch]

snippet of my work in progress wad

[haughty flower]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/robocop-vs-terminator-deathmatch/downloads/robocopvsterminatordeathmatch1-2

[shadow trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/453830695245053952/962411115088859186/out_of_time.mp4

[verbal silo]

random data, i play doom 93 in school breaks

[naive tundra]

how do you make a gate in doom builder/how do i make these both open at the same time when one of them is interacted with?

[slate maple]

maybe if they share the same tag?

[whole blade]

Merge the sectors

Select the ones you want to join and press 'J'

[pallid bronze]

how do you do make textures that are 0 units wide like the icon's brain?

[naive tundra]

thank you

that worked

[whole blade]

Np 👍