classic-doom-maps-mods

[whole blade]

David makes good tutorials

[trail steeple]

i personally started with his vids

[safe steppe]

David's videos are quite well edited and modern

[trail steeple]

no.

it's better to look at IDs work in doom1 & 2 instead of checking a fan project that is very inconsistent with its stuff

[bright palm]

thanks for all the help!

[vast citrus]

TDs only have to do something with monster placement

[trail steeple]

they don't ?

[wispy relic]

honestly you can get p far even without tutorials/vids on map design

and while taking inspiration from other games/genres isn't a bad idea, I wouldn't exact;y tell someone new to mapping to study tower defense games lol

[trail steeple]

best to check some genuinely good wads and understand why they are awesome

[vast citrus]

Perdition has one of the most annoying map01s

is Double Impact considered a good episode?

[vast citrus]

While MSPaintR0cks seems to be good at scripting, Rise of the Wool Balls had the look'n'feel of a bootleg N64 game

though it would need to have two 8mb memory paks connected to fit the 19.3mb WAD (in addition to 8MB on cart)

[novel sand]

I'd also recommend Dragonfly's Doomworks (link got censored), he has some good tutorials on more "advanced" editor features (the stairbuilder one changed my life) as well as broader concept stuff and some UDMF things

But definitely watch the videos others have linked on the fundamentals first

[safe steppe]

That dragonfly's mountain tutorial was a life saver

[novel sand]

Yeah, he's also got some videos on YouTube that aren't on the blog, so check that out too

Including the "natural rocky outdoors" one Vulldozer mentioned

Dragonfly was one of the main mappers on Eviternity, which was probably one of the biggest megawads to come out in recent years, so he's got some decent mapping chops to say the least

[whole blade]

Lol he was the main mapper. It was his project. I think there were 6? Guest mappers in addition to DF who each made one map

[vast citrus]

Eviternity? The six-tiny-episodes Doom2 megawad?

Is it just me, or did Kaiser's DSV 1 map01 get some inspiration from the Doom 64 map01?

[novel sand]

I just checked the Doom wiki bc I was curious and there are 13 maps with other mappers credited (5 of which Dragonfly also worked on). But you're right, he made the majority of it himself. Impressive

[vast citrus]

if "Doom 64" is the real Doom 3, then Perdition's Gate is the real Doom 4

[trail steeple]

but the thing is

doom 64 is official

Perdition's Gate is just a fan megawad that (for some dumb reason) costs money

[vast citrus]

it no longer costs money, and it was a megawad that missed the "Final" opportunity

[trail steeple]

going by this logic you can call SIGIL the "true doom 2" and final doom "the true doom 3" and so on

[vast citrus]

my thought when hearing "Doom Eternal"

(yes, that's Fraggle's SMMU running in DOSbox-X, with Doom 4 Vanilla and Eternal version 3)

for real though, I keep thinking that the cadet in Perdition's Gate is Doomguy's younger brother

so it kinda makes sense that the younger brother's gear uses tech recovered from Watcher ruins

and Sigil is just Doomguy's bloody nightmare after returning to Earth (between Ep 4 and Doom 2)

[haughty flower]

what

[novel sand]

You're posting all this stuff in the wrong place, man

[vast citrus]

Perdition's Gate is semi-official

[novel sand]

This channel is for making maps and mods. This would be better off in #classic-doom

[vast citrus]

and, given its almost-official status and the reasoning of newer tech, I think Doom 4 Vanilla mod best fits Perdition out of all the modpacks...

Doom 64 for Doom 2 is kind of a stretch, so IDK why the author included that as an example map-PWAD

[novel sand]

I don't think anyone on this channel is actually going to engage you in these conversations

[safe steppe]

Is this a real human or some bot saying random shit

[trail steeple]

hard to tell

[shadow trail]

i cant tell
he acts like a non caring robot saying stuff about freedoom and doom64 as far as ik

[bright owl]

I saw him on a different server about a year ago.

He was banned after a little while but I don’t remember why

[haughty flower]

same, actually

mf was just absolutely pooping on kaiser for whatever reason

[trail steeple]

gonna bet he has his room filled with printed freedoom screenshots,a pin board full of his weird theories and a few posters saying how doom 64 "shouldn't be recognized as it's own game" (he literaly said this once)

[haughty flower]

w h a t

"doom 64 shouldn't be recognized as its own game"

:shinji_chair:

[trail steeple]

yes,he literally said that once in #classic-doom IIRC

[haughty flower]

absolute bruh momentum

not only that, but w h y

[trail steeple]

found the message
#classic-doom message

[whole blade]

anyway

y'all should play this
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125500-deadtech-community-project-bv2-update/

[safe steppe]

is it just me thinking this, or did doom gain a bunch of new mappers recently

either way it's cool to see so many community created maps

[trail steeple]

downloading rn

wait

185 megabytes ?

[whole blade]

i didn't contribute to deadtech but i was one of the testers and it is

14 maps, all new monsters and weapons

[trail steeple]

it's the same size as shadow warrior classic

gonna bet alot of stuff is in it

[whole blade]

yeah it's thicc

[whole blade]

the last 3 years or so has seen a big increase in mappers. we're in a golden age for sure

[trail steeple]

i like how the broken door was made here

[whole blade]

yeah there is some lovely mico detailing in that map

[shadow trail]

are the maps in udmf format right?

because making those slopes in doom format is impossible i think

[trail steeple]

coloured lighting + slopes are only in udmf

Same with 3d floors (those are also in this wad)

[shadow trail]

yep its udmf
the screenshots look sick btw

[whole blade]

definitely udmf

all the bells and whistles

[shadow trail]

playing the wad rn
it kicks ass and looks so dang beautiful

this ||turret|| tho scared the shit out of me

[white saddle]

how can i change the sky texture like plutonia

[safe steppe]

Do you know how to add a texture in slade?

Basically you have to add a new texture (256x128) to your wad, then name it RSKY1 or RSKY2 or RSKY3

The number refers to the episode in doom or the map range (1-10/11-20/21-30) in doom 2

[haughty flower]

or if you're using a sourceport that supports umapinfo:

and replace sky2 with the sky texture that you want to use

[safe steppe]

Pretty sure they are using the boom format

[whole blade]

sky transfer line if boom

action ..... 271?

[haughty flower]

I don't think that's the map that they're making though

[haughty flower]

also yeah it's 271

[safe steppe]

You can use action 271 if you want to change it in a single map or a single part of a map

But if you just wanna change the whole thing you replace the texture

Depending on what they meant I guess

[still dagger]

started last year lmao

[white saddle]

I’m using boom format

I’m just using plutonia as an example

I have the city and mountain textures for walls but not ceiling

[wispy relic]

even in more advanced doom map formats like boom or UDMF, there's still only one "sky" flat (F_SKY1)

"Sky Transfer" in Boom maps works by making a sector out of bounds and setting its walls to have a specific texture as their upper texture, then giving them the special 271, and setting the tag for them the same as the sector you want to have that new sky

If an example would help, here's a simple one with 3 rooms, each having a different one of Doom 2's original skies thanks to the transfer skies special

[loud spruce]

So I'm making a teleport ambush, however I can't seem to get the monsters to teleport, even if I have placed the linedef in the front set to teleport monsters, they will still walk around in a dummy sector as if nothing's happening. The two sectors have even been joined together, tags have been done, and the monsters aren't set to deaf. Any help?

[wispy relic]

the monsters aren't set to deaf.
first off, this is an old misnomer; the proper name for this flag is "Ambush". "Deaf" implies the monsters can't hear sounds at all, which isn't true. Instead what happens is that if they hear a sound, instead of waking up immediately, they wait until they have a clear line of sight to the player (regardless of what direction they're facing). If the editor you're using still calls it "deaf", you're prob using a really old one

Second thing, and more to your issue here

I can't seem to get the monsters to teleport,
Players/monsters don't trigger lines simply by touching them, but their centerpoint has to cross them. So if Hell Knights have a width of 48 units, you need to make sure that the teleport lines are more than 24 units away from the solid wall. (Also, make sure that the front of the line is facing towards the knights, and not the backside)
Only other thing would be not having a teleport destination in, but I think that's less likely than either of the above

[loud spruce]

I see. Actually I edit with a modern editor that already calls it “ambush”, however sometimes I like to refer things alternately, had no idea that deaf and ambush are different things and not like, alternative terms.

[wispy relic]

ah
yeah, I only bring it up b/c "deaf" might give you the wrong idea of what happens when you use it

usu I try not to be pedantic when it's not important

[loud spruce]

The thing is, the teleport linedef works when I step there by my own after clipping to the dummy sector that has it, had it set to teleport both monsters and players. Is the teleport line unit still the problem?

[white saddle]

Ok thanks for the help

[wispy relic]

Can you upload your wad? I’ll be able to get a full picture that way

[barren shore]

Let me introduce you the new monster that I am making - The Professional Cyberdemon. Concept of incoming "professional monsters" mod is - almost all their stats are default, attacks almost default (no nukes and railguns from cybies for example), but these kind of monsters will do their best to defeat the player. Here is the first one - Professional Cyberdemon and here is a video that demonstrates his abilities.

https://youtu.be/xL0FB9phn9I

[loud spruce]

@wispy relic I have sent you the WAD, mind having a look?

[wispy relic]

sure thing

[safe steppe]

How do I make a midi louder? I tried a bunch of websites online and I tried downloading a midi editor but I just can't seem to figure it out

[tender garden]

use the loudener

[agile shoal]

I have used onlinemidi.com in the past and it worked great

[vast citrus]

FreeDoom needs to stop calling itself FreeDoom and also stop being compatible with Doom maps

How the flying fumpus is FreeDoom still a thing trying to be Doom compatible?

[crisp dragon]

um

bruh

[upbeat path]

Dude, bring it up with the mod authors like you've been told a million times. Freedoom has always been used as an option for an iwad for people unwilling or unable to buy the regular doom iwads, so they can play custom and multi-player content like the rest of us.

[safe steppe]

https://github.com/freedoom/freedoom

If you want to contribute to freedoom go to the github page and suggest anything you like, if they don't accept the suggestions you can fork it and make your own freedoom, if you're here to rant, this is not the place

[bitter hare]

i have a question

im looking to get into doom modding and i was wondering if prboom allowed you to create new enemies or just edit existing ones

[vast citrus]

You can replace duplicate decorative corpses with new enemy slots even in vanilla, but that needs some heavy DeHackEd modding

Both PrBoom and (G/L)ZDoom allow you to put the DeHackEd script right inside the WAD bundle

see "Doom 64 for Doom 2"

[bitter hare]

Thanks, The reason i was asking was because i wanted to make a more interactive icon of sin that would work on most versions

[vast citrus]

Even the Doom Wiki entry on "Doom 64 for Doom 2" says it replaces one of the duplicate bloody messes with a new mon

[trail steeple]

dude

you are entirely countering the fucking point of freedoom

your idea is really bad

[quick crag]

Are you insane? Are you off your rocker?

[trail steeple]

he definitely escaped a psychiatric asylum

[quick crag]

Yeah

Freedoom is great

[vast citrus]

the very idea of it is legally grey at best

[trail steeple]

🤨

[vast citrus]

:archthonk:

[trail steeple]

it's literally a free game with 100% custom content that uses a free open-source code

[loud spruce]

^^

The DOOM engine is free and open-source, its assets aren't. Hence why Freedoom exists.

[crisp dragon]

^

FreeDoom's textures are completely custom which makes it free

[vast citrus]

A "substitute core data" for a "hybrid licensed game"
Only the engine is open source, and trying to make a compatible Doom engine is just... a big oof

[crisp dragon]

the doom engine itself is free

[loud spruce]

All completely redone, even to the simplest of textures I believe!

[crisp dragon]

the textures of DOOM are not

[trail steeple]

🤨🤨🤨

[crisp dragon]

iit literally isn't, it's taking the doom engine

not making a compatible doom engine

[vast citrus]

Exactly, and you cannot just go up and substitute them with free ones without breaking the law

[loud spruce]

DOOM engine serves as only the foundation.

[crisp dragon]

you can literally do that, wtf are you on

replacing the textures makes it not the textures, thus not breaking the law

[vast citrus]

However, a fully legal game on the Doom engine does exist, though it is way less popular

[crisp dragon]

wtf is your logic here

[trail steeple]

the game has 100% custom textures,monsters and enemies

[loud spruce]

The textures and stuff have been made to look different from its Doom counterparts, while some may find some similar.

[crisp dragon]

this, how tf is it breaking the law if every copyrights texture is replaced

[trail steeple]

heretic,hexen,hacx,chex quest (this one is literally doing the same thing as freedoom lol)

[vast citrus]

Basically, the engine is free to study but you need a license to reuse it for a new game.
And that's what Hexen, Heretic, Strife and HACX did. Of those, HACX is the least deviating AND the only derivative work that has been opensourced in its entirety.

[trail steeple]

chex quest literally does the same thing that freedoom does

[trail steeple]

nvm,i was wrong

[loud spruce]

The difference is that for Chex Quest, they still licensed the engine from id Software as the engine was not yet open source at the time. Hacx too.

[vast citrus]

Chex Quest and Hacx were both legally licensed

while FreeDoom isn't

[loud spruce]

^^

[trail steeple]

chex quest was before doom went open-source

[loud spruce]

Hacx was only few months before id open sourced the engine.

[vast citrus]

Also, Simon Howard's SMMU has a major bug

[loud spruce]

SMMU what?

[trail steeple]

🤨

[vast citrus]

SMMU is a MBF compatible Doom source port for DOS

[trail steeple]

never heard of it

gonna bet it's not even updated anymore

[agile shoal]

SMMU
Smack My Marine Up

[vast citrus]

Even with the DEHfile you can't run CQ1 on SMMU without a full (Ultimate or not) version of Doom 1 or FreeDoom 1

[agile shoal]

yep

[trail steeple]

cope

[vast citrus]

@call smmu -iwad freed1.wad -file chex.wad -deh chex.deh

Also, didn't Mills later decide to reclaim the CQ license?

[bitter hare]

i need help with a mod im making

[shadow trail]

what is the problem

[bitter hare]

im trying to replace the icon of sin's hitbox with a monster in whacked4 so it can be more of a cooler fight

[vast citrus]

Look at Doom Zero

[haughty flower]

literally what the fuck happened here

[trail steeple]

hell on earth

[haughty flower]

ok so doom 2 got it

[trail steeple]

[haughty flower]

[crisp dragon]

[brave thistle]

nightdive is such a great company. it's great to see how they've been revamping so many classic games recently

[worldly lark]

when its illegal to alter a games code but the game is open source

[old mesa]

[vast citrus]

that's called "source-available"

you're free to learn from the source but not alter it

[worldly lark]

The more you know.

[vast citrus]

For assets, a simialr license is called "CC-BY-NC-ND"

Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial No-Derivation

when making maps, you're not allowed to alter the walls or monsters

nor can you reuse any part of the stock maps

Doom Source License is a "Source-Available" license

FreeDoom is illegal

HACX is the only legal freeware IWAD

Earlier when someone asked about modding, I forgot that the very use of DeHackEd is illegal

the one exception being HACX

Boom was grudgingly accepted by Romero himself as a way to prototype balance changes without compiling EXE again and again

[upbeat path]

dude, you have no idea what you're talking about, please be quiet

it's illegal to sell it. not make it. and even then, sometimes, you can sell it. please do research instead of talking out of your ass.

[haughty flower]

you have got to be actually trolling at this point

[upbeat path]

The DOOM modding community would not exist if it was illegal to mod. DeHackEd is modding, mapping is modding, Bethesda or id would have shut our asses all down a long-ass time ago if that was the case. SEVERAL of the Doom modders that you cite are actually working, in part or freelance, with Bethesda or id in some capacity, BECAUSE they modded and created what they created. But considering you've trolled many to them to oblivion, you'd have no damn idea.

They would all be in jail, not working with the people who created doom, does that make sense?

like seriously, why would the add-ons for unity port exist if it was illegal, huh?

[vast citrus]

I'm surprised Doom 0 is an addon for Unity port of Doom 2

Or anything else that uses DEH.

[still dagger]

Gents, as the age-old saying goes:

"Don't Feed The Trolls"

[vast citrus]

I'm not even trolling, I'm genuinely surprised that Bethesda allows DeHackEd-based mods on the Unity port

[haughty flower]

but fuckigh
why

why would they not allow dehacked mods for the Unity port

[still dagger]

Doesn't Rekkr in some part use dehacked

Just wondering

[haughty flower]

it does

[still dagger]

Makes sense, it's total conversion and I forgot about that

[vast citrus]

There were only four companies ID ever licensed the right to modify the engine to:
1 - Digital Cafe
2 - Raven
3 - Rogue
4 - HacX: Twitch'n'Kill team

[crisp dragon]

but freedoom didn't modify the engine???

[upbeat path]

do you not understand what "open source" means

[crisp dragon]

it literally switched the textures

[still dagger]

And sounds

[upbeat path]

additional code isn't changing the engine itself. it changes the engine's behavior in certain conditions.

which is exactly what DeHackEd is. it's a patch. it's not a full change to the engine.

here, I made an entire video about it
https://youtu.be/6eodTmEKlmw

[vast citrus]

FreeDoom is just an asset bundle.

[upbeat path]

so how is it illegal, if it's assets?

[crisp dragon]

^ this

[upbeat path]

that's changing out assets, not the engine, mate

[vast citrus]

Having shotgunny cacos and charging losties that pain the player or any non-flyer on impact?

[upbeat path]

yeah, that's a patch, my guy

[haughty flower]

what the fuck did I walk into

[crisp dragon]

pain, Artsmen

[vast citrus]

boom -iwad freed2.wad -file perdgate.wad -deh cacoshot

[crisp dragon]

absolute pain

[haughty flower]

so to my understanding

[tulip monolith]

Download free doom wad 2023 xaxaxa

[haughty flower]

he is saying freedoom is completely illegal

also that dehacked is "illegal" (which it's goddamn NOT)

[vast citrus]

legally grey, at the very least - while shotgunny cacodemons are 100% off-limits to my understanding

[haughty flower]

so i cant make the spider demon shoot 200 rockets without being in illegal territory?

[crisp dragon]

oh my god, the spiderdemon is a ripoff of the cyberdemon!! it's illegal!!1!11!11!1!1

[haughty flower]

thanks for giving me the idea

[tulip monolith]

[still dagger]

Make the Cyberdemon dual-wield a Spiderdemon's chainguns while you're at it

[haughty flower]

pain elemental 🙂

[crisp dragon]

yoooo that's cool

[vast citrus]

Especially if part of the rockets are actually kamikaze mobs

[haughty flower]

actually for the final boss of my tc i actually had that exact same idea

[crisp dragon]

what would make it worse is the cyberdemon's head replaced with a working pain elemental

[still dagger]

big brain

[crisp dragon]

oh god

[haughty flower]

and make the feet the archviles so its fast

[crisp dragon]

OH NO

oh wait then it'd look so funky LMAO

[haughty flower]

wait

so if dehacked is illegal

[crisp dragon]

giant pain elemental head, body of cyberdemon, arms of rocket launcher and chaingun, running on skinny ass archvile legs

[haughty flower]

does that mean zdoom decorate, and zscript are too

[crisp dragon]

[vast citrus]

Pain Incarnate, behaves like a Pain Elemental/Cyberdemon combo until all HP is lost (has same HP as a PE), spawns a PE on death, thus making a staged miniboss

Another example is Spider Mother, who actually crawls on ceiling (teleports on top of a 3D floor slab ceiling and then gains negative height as the sprite flips upside-down)

For every 10% HP drops an arachnorb

[haughty flower]

what

[vast citrus]

Or even... Spectral as a property that makes all Crush Resurrections turn into spectral counterparts, having both the Ghost glitch and the Spectre effect

[haughty flower]

at this point it's just devolved into insane ramblings

[vast citrus]

Rather, insane examples of boss/miniboss designs that would be immediately obvious as being based on DEH or even ACS/Zscript

[sinful sundial]

sounds cool
really impractical but cool

[haughty flower]

Can explain to me what extreme weapon pack was all about?

[crisp dragon]

dumb but funny weapons

like the rocket launcher fires extremely slow dud rockets

your hand requires reloading via cutting off a hangnail, painting it with nail polish, then waving your hand around to dry it off

there's a rusty shotgun

and funnily enough, the best weapon in this mod is a toothbrush

or if you want the funny points, give it to the chuper chotgun

[haughty flower]

Then there’s hoom we don’t talk about that mod

[crisp dragon]

"hoom"

[haughty flower]

What’s the mod with sexy demons?

Oh boy

[sinful sundial]

best mod 11/10

plus when you play it with brutal doom you get destroyed by boners so win win

[trail steeple]

what is wrong with you

[trail steeple]

spelled it wrong but yes

we do not talk about it

[trail steeple]

i'd like to see you elaborate on this and how it is "illegal" as you said

going by your logic every mod for every game would be illegal

you are not even wrong,just stupid

[haughty flower]

but we do talk about it ;)

also why in gods green earth was that mod even made

[shadow trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/204082693804261376/907291040908726283/Screenshot_870.png

the layout for my map so far (unfinished)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/204082693804261376/907578205802737684/unknown.png

a view from the deck

[trail steeple]

sex sells

[safe steppe]

From the read me file and the stupid dialogue you can tell it was made as a shitpost

But some people might use it for a... different... purpose...

[quick crag]

Why the “flying fumpus” would dehacked be illegal

[safe steppe]

it has the word "hacked" in it /s

[quick crag]

Ah yes

[trail steeple]

what claims did you expect from a dude who wants freedoom to "stop using the freedoom name and stop being compatible with doom maps",who also thinks that EVERY DOOM MOD is illegal ?

that man is down real bad

[crisp dragon]

^

[trail steeple]

imagine wanting freedoom to counter its own point because you think that it's illegal even though you don't have a source on that,but when you find one,everyone points out that it doesn't apply to the topic,so you stay in your little bubble of misinformation and bullshit claims

YuraConst's behaviour basically

[crisp dragon]

basic summarization

[safe steppe]

Cool but the texture filtering about to make me throw up

[trail steeple]

advice:
-turn off texture filtering
-scale your hud to make it more visible and understandable

[torn remnant]

woah ive got map right here (for doom 2, boom compat)

[shadow trail]

i played it and it was a well designed map
more enemy verity would be good since all of the enemies were revenants and mancubus

[still dagger]

The reason why there's little variety is cause it was designed for a 3x3 challenge on Doomworld iirc

Three Textures, Three Enemy Types, Three Flats

[vast citrus]

oof

[upbeat path]

Limits are fun and challenging sometimes

[safe steppe]

I think limits force people to be more creative overall

[haughty flower]

Russian over load

[vast citrus]

but 3 tex/3 enemy types/3 flats? that's ... too much of a limitation

[safe steppe]

you gotta check 10 sectors then

it's amazing what people can accomplish with that challenge

[trail steeple]

or the 1042 challenge

you have to work in a 1042 X 1042 space in the doom editor ( imay be wrong with the number)

it even got to a point of working only in 64 X 64 space

[wispy relic]

lmao

[vast citrus]

10 sectors just means you can't have blinking consoles in niches

[trail steeple]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Congestion_1024 oh,here

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Congestion:_64 the 64 X 64 version

[vast citrus]

eek

[whole blade]

Congestion 256 had some interesting maps. Bauul's The Shuffling Madness has some of the most insane portal usage I've ever seen

[trail steeple]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/2048_Unleashed there's also a project in similar style,but you can do levels twice the size of the ones in congestion 1024

[shadow trail]

this is too much limitation now

[trail steeple]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/2_Sectors then look at this

[quick crag]

true

[trail steeple]

someone made a plutonia wad in this style lol

[quick crag]

Nice

[haughty flower]

Who made the doom wad engine

[whole blade]

Originally?

Carmack pretty sure

[still dagger]

it was me

[bitter hare]

Hello\

i pretty much got the mod finnished but i am having one problem

when the enemy i made does its attack animation it works fine but when the animation is finished it plays its death animations and acts like its dead

when it attacks it dies

and i dont know how to fix this

im using whacked4

[safe steppe]

can you send the .deh file?

or whatever file you made

[bitter hare]

sure

[safe steppe]

you can send it in this channel

[bitter hare]

here it is

i copied its actions from a baron

it replaces john romeros head

here i will send the textures for it too

[safe steppe]

ugh sorry but I couldn't pinpoint what's wrong, everything seems like it's done correctly

[bitter hare]

its fine

i will try to troubleshoot it more

[trail steeple]

how can i play a .mus file outside of doom

it's literally a simplified midi format,yet windows media player can't open the music in this format

[bitter hare]

do you have slade downloaded?

because you can open doom2.wad in slade then navigate to the track you want as a midi and then right click it hover over audio then click convert MUS to MIDI

[trail steeple]

oh ok

thanks

didn't know about that

[bitter hare]

so i tested it more and my mod worked flawlessly

the only problem is i dont know what sourceports it will work with

[safe steppe]

which type of dehacked does it use? just search it on the wiki and you should get a list of all supported ports

[bitter hare]

ok i will

[trail steeple]

test it on as many as you can

[bitter hare]

ok

so i have figured out that it will work on pretty much everything except for the vanilla dos version

as long as the port has boom support

[trail steeple]

so

needs a boom-compatible source-port

[bitter hare]

yes

because it uses dehacked extended

it has the bex extention

i have a question

does doom have a limit to how big enemy sprites can be in height

[safe steppe]

I think normal doom textures can be a max of 256x256 but sourceports that support hi-rez textures can go much higher

[bitter hare]

ok

because one of the enemies in my mods texture is like a cyberdemon and a half tall

am i allowed to post mods in this channel

[safe steppe]

yes

[bitter hare]

like one i made

ok

it appears to only work with gzdoom as of now

but i will figure out how to get it to work with other sourceports

my main goal was to get it to work on a version of doom legacy for dos

[remote widget]

imagine hall of torture souls on DOOM

[bitter hare]

i will post the mod directly here but im also going to post it to the zdoom foums

[remote widget]

i don't know if can post my mods now tho because my pc and my laptop is having a virus

[bitter hare]

thats not good

[safe steppe]

get rid of the virus?

technically if it isn't an executable it can't be infected

well it can but it wont infect other people

[remote widget]

well that's good it won't infect my wads thank god

[safe steppe]

but also why don't you just get rid of the virus ??
?

[remote widget]

well i will do a complete reinstall on things after update

[remote widget]

it's very hard, even if the antivirus deletes it it will come back

anyways the updates looks like it removes it anyways gotta make mods now.

[bitter hare]

Here it is

changes are only on map30

[safe steppe]

Okay that was actually a very fun fight

That sprite is horrifying I was so surprised when I saw it

also can confirm it works in dsda-doom

[shadow trail]

a good view of the city

[trail steeple]

finally,a city in doom that actually looks like a city instead of boxes placed on gravel

[shadow trail]

making those building appear from the back was kinda hard to make
but it was worth it

[safe steppe]

to be fair, doom didn't have 3d floor back in the doom 2 days

[trail steeple]

but they could at least use textures that look realistic instead of those weird-ass black walls

you know the ones i'm talking about

[safe steppe]

they literally could not lol

getting textures was much harder, and they didn't have enough disk space to fit too many textures

[trail steeple]

at least they could make those textures look more like skyscrapers by making them more blue-ish/brownish (because skybox)

[safe steppe]

fair point

[trail steeple]

so they would actually resemble windows

and not whatever they are now

[bitter hare]

the only real problem i have with my mod is that the final boss arena is just e2m8 but i retextured it

[trail steeple]

try making your own level from the ground up

i can send some tutorials if you need 'em

[barren shore]

I was tired while coding so next morning I've discovered this bug during the test. Meet the HUEY-demon https://youtu.be/P6fczpZ02Vg

[bitter hare]

thanks i think that those could help

[trail steeple]

https://youtu.be/EucWtn__O8Q https://youtu.be/6arDCzmhONY

[bitter hare]

thanks

[haughty flower]

Another forbidden doom mod is moon man

[bright owl]

What’s forbidden about it?

[safe steppe]

Everything

[vast citrus]

the "standalone" version of Hacx is bugged

Even after extracting the DEH lump, Boom fails with a GetNumForName error

PRBoom+ is fine, but actual Boom fails

[crisp dragon]

why would you just test in boom though

it's a dead and old port

[haughty flower]

also
if its the standalone version then boom wouldn't recognize it anyways

[white saddle]

map 07 is done after a long time, very big and full of baddies, it will probably go into a new wad since this wad is kinda just me playing with udb, if playing i reccomend hmp on hntr it is very cruel and stuff so yeah

and boom compatible, there is a useless switch right now so ill remove it later

but the map is beatable

[wispy relic]

so I have a UDMF mapset I've been working on

what would be the best way to test it in co-op?

still just GZdoom, or is there a port with more stable multiplayer capabilities out there?

[haughty flower]

use zandronum

it's essentially gzdoom but mainly for multiplayer

[wispy relic]

gotcha

[shadow trail]

welcome to tomorrow city

[still dagger]

Welcome to the City

[frail furnace]

looks fun

[bitter hare]

your city looks cool

[shadow trail]

appreciate it

[shadow trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/837207335453458432/908299891380469770/tomorrow_city.mp4

also the cars move too

[trail steeple]

basically

it's content is at least distasteful
just watch Gggmanlives' video on it

it's on the /pol/.wad level of awfulness

hell,it even uses the same sprites

[shadow trail]

moon man wad is basically a terry wad
but 100 time worse

[trail steeple]

at least it's playable unlike terry wads

[shadow trail]

yeah but still

it has anything that offends anyone

[trail steeple]

yes

why would one even make a mod like this

oh,i know

to watch the world burn

[trail steeple]

time to see if any balancing was made / any suggested changes were implemented

[trail steeple]

dehacked issue

and of course,no changes at all

missing textures + comically large door

what am i even looking at

literally E1M2 but worse in every way

lack of a in-between texture (support3 for example) makes this look ugly and odd

huge texture alignment issue + ugly stair texture

monsters are stuck in eachother

here too

i think you've used a wrong door texture

are you trying to make plutonia but 100 times worse ?

ah yes,a map that you can get softlocked on didn't get an update that prevents that

i.e. if you don't use gzdoom (or any other port that allows jumping) you are fucked

this is still here

why

eugh

man didn't even try to improve the wad

[safe steppe]

A better way to critique is to give a solution(s), rather than to point out what's wrong.

[trail steeple]

the thing is

many of as gave him tips and solutions on how he can improve the maps a few weeks ago

i guess he didn't listen

[white saddle]

Different difficulty settings

[trail steeple]

makes sense

[white saddle]

Yeah you can’t see it though while playing but I’ll fix anyway when I can

[white saddle]

Forgot to fix the door and you can’t notice the missing texture

[whole blade]

Gonna say this here so it's nice and clear. I have zero tolerance for unnecessarily rude and aggressive feedback on people's work. That shit can fuck right off

[still dagger]

Reminds me of Illium from Mass Effect 2, very neat

[white saddle]

Time for chainsaw gimmick map because chainsaw

[shadow trail]

much obliged

[vast citrus]

Imagine someone making a 2.5D squad shooter with FreeDoom assets...

I'm almost convinced ID would sue

Syndicate/Lemmings Paintball style game with FreeDoom assets (re-angled for the 2.5D view) and called Europa: The Doomed Colony

[haughty flower]

at this point yeah this has to be a troll

why would Id software sue over someone using the freedoom assets
when freedoom isn't even associated with id

[vast citrus]

FreeDoom is associated with the Zandronum project IIRC

Or was it that other multiplayer port?

ID might sue both the company behind FreeDoom and Europa Colony (name picked randomly given Doom's use of other moons)

[still dagger]

[haughty flower]

[safe steppe]

"Here it is, at long last. The DOOM source code is released for your non-profit use." - Official doom source code (readme file)

As long as the game is

1. non profit.
2. doesn't use doom/doom 2 assets
   it's completely fine

Oh and let's not forget that even if it somehow was, ID and Bethesda have no reason to sue indie game developers

Or modders/mappers even

[trail steeple]

🤨

[vast citrus]

For the sake of example, Europa: The Doomed Colony is a Syndicate/Lemmings Paintball type RTT/shooter hybrid written entirely in GameMaker Studio, for-profit, using the BSD licensed FreeDoom assets and even has Doomed in its subtitle

[trail steeple]

why do you mention it having the "doomed" in the title
doom is not a copyrighted word

[haughty flower]

just because it has the word doomed in it doesn't fucking mean they can sue
the word doom isn't trademarked

[vast citrus]

Area 1: Knee Deep in Worms (uses lots of the Larva Pinky)

[trail steeple]

if a game was literally titled "doom" and it was sold then id would take action

if a title of the game has "doom" with some stuff with it then there is no reason to sue

[haughty flower]

yeah

[trail steeple]

people can't make references smh

[haughty flower]

yeah bro guess I can't make akira or evangelion references in my wad without getting sued by gainax

[trail steeple]

also,i think that "Knee-deep in the dead" is literally a phrase taken from the bible

imagine if id would sue the fucking bible

🤣

[vast citrus]

the Church saying ID

[trail steeple]

no need to

it's not copyrighted

[safe steppe]

I say let's not start another shitshow and discuss something, more related to mapping/modding

[trail steeple]

good idea

[haughty flower]

yes, this

[safe steppe]

We won't get anywhere by arguing

[vast citrus]

but again, the main enemy type in Europa's first area uses the Larva Pinky as the main enemytype, and is just a giant sewer system that your four colonists must crawl through

[haughty flower]

and speaking of mapping how the fuck does the create fake floor and ceiling work

[safe steppe]

If you mean the fake floor and ceiling from boom format its quite easy

[haughty flower]

ye that

[safe steppe]

You have first a real sector

And you want to give it fake textures or fake hieghts

So what you do is first create the fake sector which is what tbe real sector will end up looking like

And you just give one of it's linedefs a 242 action, and then tag the sector and the linedef

Ill post an img explanation in a sec

[vast citrus]

you have the Freeguy (shotty), Sam Warren (a Heavy in a vaguely Metroidish suit), the Technician (vaguely Mario-like - he must repair the plumbing that the Larvae are destroying) and a medic who's still scared of the worms after 15 years on Europa

[haughty flower]

so it's kinda like a 3d floor?

[safe steppe]

Yes, except its not real 3D

It can be useful for something like bridges

[vast citrus]

Is a fake floor or ceiling just a term for a solid slab (or set of slabs, for a bridge)?

[safe steppe]

Not exactly

A fake floor/ceiling means that a sector appears as another sector that its not

So you could have a sector that looks like a deep hole that you can fall in

But in reality it can be at floor height

[vast citrus]

Water-walking false Christ boss?

he stands on what appears like deep water but is actually floor-height, and 5-point damaging (with the boss having 5pt damage block to be immune to it)?

False Christ sends forth illusions of family (modified zombie scientists) that also have brief shield against the cold water

/¯¯¯¯¯¯\
|F   D[]
|~~~~¯¯|

do I get it right now?

as of Doom mapping, could EA sue for porting Syndicate maps over to Doom?

[wispy relic]

monsters in Doom are immune to damaging floors by default

[safe steppe]

Oh yeah you can fake deep water using the 242 boom action too

[wispy relic]

that's why for example the spectres at the end of doom 2 map 06 don't die before the player reaches that room

[safe steppe]

I think at some point in time I might do doom tutorials

Especially for boom since I had to figure out a bunch of stuff by myself

[wispy relic]

gl

I'm p good with UDMF now but other than a couple specific things I haven't touched Boom format at all

[safe steppe]

Also anybody know when MBF21 is ready? I am really excited for it

I think it is already finished but is it fully supported now?

[wispy relic]

p sure there's at least one port out there that fully supports it

[whole blade]

Supported by dsda and gzdoom currently

[wispy relic]

ik GZdoom's got partial support, but does DSDA have full support for it?

[safe steppe]

What about the doom builders? They got support too

[whole blade]

Only the latest version of gzdoom though. 4.7.1

Pretty sure dsda has support

I've played mbf21 maps in gzdoo.

[wispy relic]

UDB should have it, but the doomwiki page says you have to enable MBF21 editing first

[whole blade]

I thiiiink udb has a mbf21 config

Yeah

Boris is usually all over this shit

[vast citrus]

so that means False Christ would be even easier to do?

[wispy relic]

yeah I don't see why not
it seems simple enough

[vast citrus]

He alternates between Painful Blessings (that heal but drain armor if you have any armor, but do damage if you have no armor) and summoning illusions

basically, heal and hurt at the same time, so that it goes to straight damage if you have no armor

In coop mode, players killed by PB turn into zealot mob variants of that player class

in singleplayer, dying to a Painful Blessing of False Christ counts as normal death

Hell in Jerusalem - Doom episodes 1-3 on Doom 2, virtually unaltered, with the Jerusalem episode and False Christ as episode 4

[wispy relic]

the world's your oyster dude

[whole blade]

You know what's annoying? People who constantly talk and fill the air with their ideas but never actually do anything useful to put them in place

[vast citrus]

but once in a while there comes the ubergonk - something so obnoxious you wish that person stayed just an idea guy

so you should be thankful I'm too stupid to code and actually create Hell in Jerusalem

When a studio is out of ideas and an "annoying idea guy" brings an idea up, that's when ubergonk titles (standalone games or mods) happen

[whole blade]

I'm pretty sure you have absolutely no fucking idea what happens in game studios

[vast citrus]

How the f would a game studio think of a "side-scrolling X-com"?

The idea must have come from someone really annoying AND sugar crazed

[whole blade]

A side scrolling xcom game sounds dope

[vast citrus]

That's how SteamWorld Heist came to be - a sugar crazed debugger's brain-fart

[upbeat path]

you're an absolute donut, so jot that one down.

[wispy relic]

the thing with doom modding and such is that so very little of it relies on actual legit coding, especially if you're just using doombuilder to make maps

in fact, vanilla and Boom format maps don't support any coding whatsoever lmao

[upbeat path]

I mean, dehacked, but I forgot that was illegal

[wispy relic]

you'd only (possibly!) get into that if you work in stuff that supports ACS or w/e for scripting

ah f, mb

[upbeat path]

(joke)

[wispy relic]

never really tried using dehacked myself 😔

anyways what I'm getting is Yura, just download Doombuilder and start making maps
it's super easy

[upbeat path]

that would require effort

[white saddle]

why wont the song work when i open the wad

[crisp dragon]

DSDA-Doom, GZDoom, and Woof! currently supports MBF21

[wispy relic]

what are you using to play the level? Zdoom, Gzdoom, Crispy Doom, etc?

[white saddle]

ah shit

i think i just lost my wad

[wispy relic]

My hunch is that since your music file is an Mp3, not every port will support it

[white saddle]

yeah i couldnt find the midi

[wispy relic]

Look up a site called doom depot

It should have all the original doom midis available

[white saddle]

nice, i got my full wad back but not map 01 its just called D_RUNNIN and wont work

ok i opened map 1 in editor but how od i change it back to MAP01

ok i got the full wad back

now to use the midi file this time

oh my god it finally worked. what an emotional rollercoaster

[whole blade]

Map making doesn't require coding knowledge, modding does. Especially if you're using zscript

Mapping has a gloriously low barrier to entry

[exotic hinge]

Hi Doom Family, my name is Charles Lai, maker of the Doom 2 Mods: Ultra Doom2X, Doom2X-treme, and Doom2X-treme GOLD! Nice to meet you guys.

Total serious question for anyone at Bethesda, will you ever fix the Dehacked issues with Doom 2: Hell on Earth? My mods work great except for the MISC number changes I made to max health and ammo consumption of the BFG weapon. The current versions of Doom 2: Hell on Earth won't recognize those changes.

[wispy relic]

honestly even with ACS and DECORATE, they're so straightforward and intuitive imo that it's barely even coding (I'll admit I'm still scared of zscript)

you can get really far with them being a hack like me and just reverse-engineering what other people have done

[wispy relic]

have you looked into the more modern Dehacked stuff, like what MBF21 supports?

because gonna be honest, hoping for a v2.0 release of Doom/Doom 2 is prob not gonna happen lol

[exotic hinge]

If you mean more modern front ends, sure. I just love getting my mod working on whatever I can get it to work on. Like Dreamcast and GBA and what not. Getting it to work on the official Bethesda launcher of Doom 2 would go a long way to adding more random devices to get it to work on. 😆

[wispy relic]

nah, I don't mean a sourceport. one sec

actually maybe I do, whoops

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/DEHEXTRA thought this worked with vanilla, my bad

[exotic hinge]

See this is what I get for being out of the modding game for decades. Hmm. I wonder if simply importing it into this then exporting it back out into Doom 2 on Steam will be enough to fix the issue.

[whole blade]

Uhhhh what? What dehacked issues? Because dehacked requires a port which has nothing to do with the base game code

[exotic hinge]

So Doom 2: Hell on Earth on Steam (the “classic” version on Steam, Switch, PS4, iPhone, etc) was updated last year to accept mods and dehacked files. My mod changes a lot including upping max health from 100 to 666. Damage from enemies is also increased to balance this additional health. I also lowered the BFG plasma ammo consumption from 40 to 2. These classic version does indeed take dehacked files and seems to work perfect, with the exception of these.

Basically everything in the top left box is ignored by Doom 1&2 classic, despite it now working with Dehacked files.

(Not my screenshot, just an example of the misc screen)

[upbeat path]

well then unfortunately you've just found a source port your mod doesn't work with, it's not the IWAD

[remote widget]

i guess Marine DOOM is an illegal mod OH wait it was actually

[trail steeple]

hold on what

lemme look that up

Marine Doom is a 1996 modification of the first-person shooter Doom II for the United States Marine Corps, which was later made available for download to the public.

EXCUSE ME WHAT

[sacred pine]

W h a t

I have to play that

Oh god, the shotgun is buggy and doesn't let me swap weapons

[remote widget]

well i said it's illegal because the pwad contained original graphics of the game so that's why said it was illegal.

[trail steeple]

pwad =/= iwad

[remote widget]

well the shotgun was buggy because you didn't load super2.deh

[trail steeple]

if it was an iwad then it would be an issue

[remote widget]

seriously look at the files it had on the pwad

it contains all of the graphics of the doom 2

[trail steeple]

wait what

what dumbass puts all the doom2 textures into a fucking pwad

[remote widget]

i know right

[sacred pine]

Wait, let me open that on GZDoom Builder later

[trail steeple]

*slade3

[whole blade]

no. redistributing any of the original assets in any form is illegal. whether it's an iwad or pwad is irrelevant

[crisp dragon]

^

[sacred pine]

Got confused there for a moment, thanks for correcting me

[trail steeple]

freedoom isn't a bootleg

it's just a fan project

also,regarding the intermission music
i don't really like it,i'm more of a "Intermission from DOOM" fan

but that's just my opinion

depends from person to person i guess

dunno,maybe they didn't find that comfortable or something

[trail steeple]

elaborate

dehacked doesn't do this by default ?

nobody forces you to mod the game this way

• dehacked isn't bad in itself,it's just an editor

dehacked patches are mainly made for a wad they are made for

instead of vanilla (regular) doom mapset

what about them

but what's wrong with that

that's just your opinion

be thankful you aren't forced to play on the "Blessed Engine"

[haughty flower]

mfw I hear blessed engine

[trail steeple]

doom 4 vanilla is basically "what if doom 2016 was made in 1994"

[quiet cosmos]

https://youtu.be/k5obhEkOYQA perfection

[trail steeple]

maybe this was intended,maybe not

you can always ask about that in the freedoom discord or wherever the freedoom team is

[dim zodiac]

is there any way i could make my own doom levels? specifically eternal but i'd be down to try it for 2016 or classic doom

[trail steeple]

#eternal-modding

but if you want to make maps for doom 1 & 2 then watch this : https://youtu.be/EucWtn__O8Q

[ornate surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXaFGBxacYI

[trail steeple]

this is the doom 1/2 modding channel,not #videos

[safe steppe]

in DOOM 2016 you only have snapmap to make maps, and in Eternal the modding tools can't edit geometry, so you're best option for mapping is classic doom, the video linked by @trail steeple is a great start if you want to get into classic doom mapping. (Modding is possible on 2016 and eternal but mapping is lacking)

[trail steeple]

why would anyone make a nintendo 64 game in 2021

[upbeat path]

someone made Legend of Zelda in Doom, it's not completely out of the question

[trail steeple]

newest version of my doom 2 wad (level 4 is still unfinished because i'm lazy)
-some small graphical improvements on all levels
-a big visual update of map01

iwad required: Doom2
Sourceport: GZdoom (because colored lighting,3d floors,slopes and such)

[shadow trail]

yeah i saw that
basically a nes classic now in doom

[trail steeple]

[trail steeple]

never heard about it

there isn't anythng like this

looked it up,nothing

[bitter hare]

ok so i got a suggestion for my mod that maybe the ios can shoot like revenent tracers after mancubus fireballs but i dont know how to do that

like currently it shoots mancubus fire balls but after it does that can it shoot revenent missiles

[wispy relic]

sonic robo blast 2 is p f-wording based

[white saddle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao_xFDatQXw started making a series i have 1-5 so far

ill upload 6-7 tommorow and work on map 8

[hushed stag]

im not sure what to do from here. trying to install project brutality 3.0

[wispy relic]

Did you buy Doom or Doom 2 off of Steam?

[hushed stag]

no, i got them through xbox play anywhere

[haughty flower]

did it give you the wad files? or is it just basically remote play?

[hushed stag]

i think just remote play

[wispy relic]

Welp, you’ll need to either install them on your computer instead, or buy them again if you can’t do that

[hushed stag]

install the games? because i have done that and they are fully functional

[wispy relic]

The game data needs to be stored on your computer

You cannot play brutal doom on your computer if the game data is on your xbox

[wispy relic]

“Remote play” means that you are basically streaming gameplay on your computer monitor

[hushed stag]

then no, thats not what im doing

sorry, im very new to all of this and i dont know what im doing

[wispy relic]

All right, so you just need to find the folder on your computer where doom is installed in

For example, somewhere in Program Files

[hushed stag]

how?

i installed that, now what

yes, inside is a doom 3 folder and a doom eternal folder

neither are there

no

where do i ppaste it into?

where do i get the wad files out of eternal?

[white saddle]

what you guys think

idk its not a new texture, i think its used in the icon of sin doom 2

[sinful sundial]

funny skeleton

💀

[white saddle]

Since I can’t post in classic doom I post here

I was playing my first map ever and this shit happens, very lucky

[haughty flower]

tnt evilution moment

[white saddle]

yeah I like tnt map 01 so I put the song in this

https://youtu.be/iKkwgx4qIUk

[haughty flower]

i was talking about map 11's archvile jump secret but thats interesting

[white saddle]

Oh

Yeah that’s a memorable moment in tnt

[haughty flower]

where is doom eternal rule 34 chat at

[trail steeple]

[haughty flower]

[still dagger]

[mild hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/871795218784063509/909515727965392926/unknown.png

This is what you can do in the GZDoom engine, Zan also makes good titlemap

[upbeat path]

this looks great 😄

[trail steeple]

this barely looks like doom at this point

[wispy relic]

is anyone here good with Zandronum

my wad can't run with it, so I need a list of GZDoom features it doesn't support yet so that I can decide whether targeting that port is worth it

for example, using the latest dev build:

[trail steeple]

searched up and found this

(it's on the zandronum forum btw)

but this post seams to be from 2013

so i dunno it it's still up to date

[wispy relic]

alright, probably not gonna bother with zandronum then

For now though, got the latest update for my megawad out https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/124086-udmf-megawad-doomwave-new-interlude-out-1114/

16 levels of singleplayer madness (and co-op, but I still need to make sure it plays well there), with several new weapons, powerups, and monsters to discover

Oh, also there are three new difficulty settings - Doom Unity's Ultraviolence+, along with two of my own creation, Famine Mode and Barrels o' Fun

[upbeat path]

yes

[whole blade]

dude shut the fuck up. this is a complete lie

[torn remnant]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125773-smog-11-map-wad/ pogger !!!! ive got the map out finally

[upbeat path]

Fuck around and find out

[shadow trail]

those lightning tho
looks awesome

[trail steeple]

finally,someone said it

[bitter hare]

hi

a popular sugestion of my mod was to add a new map for the ios so i did that

its not done yet but i had fun play testing it

its a bit hard tho

[remote widget]

i just realized that grezzo 2 kept the original doom 2 graphics

weird thing about it's doom2.wad is that it's freedoom

[trail steeple]

this screenshot looks sus

[bitter hare]

Here is the new updated mod

it has its own map now

[drifting harness]

haha yes

[bitter hare]

new discord pfp?

[haughty flower]

Hello

If anyone wants to work on a mod with me, dm me. Ill make the maps, you make the weapons and i pitch sprites, concept art, and ill voice act for the mod

[wispy relic]

whoops, made a mistake w/ a bad reference in my wad

anyway, same as before. 3 new automatic weapons, should pop up when you use the IDFA cheat. Would appreciate some feedback on them if anyone can spare a minute

[crisp dragon]

@wispy relichm, does this go with anything or can it be standalone?

[wispy relic]

It’s standalone, just the weapons

[crisp dragon]

ah alright

hm, the weapons themselves are pretty interesting

is the burst sprite taken from Brutal Doom?

looks quite familiar

the chaingun is more realistic, has a windup time before firing

and then of course an automatic rifle

[wispy relic]

got that one off of Realm667 (the UAC rifle there)

do the weapons feel different enough? or do you get any feelings like, "oh I would just use the machinegun and not bother with the other two"

b/c that's what I'm trying to avoid

[crisp dragon]

hm

[whole blade]

if you want to have any chance of attracting people to work with you on a project you need proof that what you are doing is good and worth supporting. screenshots, proofs of concept, evidence work is being and effort is being put in. the world is littered with "imma make a cool doom thing" projects that never got anywhere. anyone with talent will never take a look without seeing something good first
this is advice from someone who built a team by doing this.

[shadow trail]

oh ok
i guess imma make a demo out of my project
and then attract some people to join the team

[mild hinge]

Good advice too, I remember prototyping Eternity Blitz before even touching on getting someone to make sprites.

Although to be fair, the content is paid for so I don't have to worry about any legal issues or people saying "remove this"

[shadow trail]

"the contest is paid for" by content you mean the textures and sprites?

[mild hinge]

Yep, just a way of saying "Hey you can't tell me to remove this even if you get angry at me, I paid for that"

Not that I expect people to be angry at me but if it does happen well yeah

[shadow trail]

idk why people would be angry at the mod tbh
it looks great

[mild hinge]

I've noticed there are some heavy handed opinions where it comes to you are either with me or against me but yeah this probably isn't the place or time for that

[shadow trail]

alright

[shadow trail]

gzdoom engine state: working

[trail steeple]

lmao gzdoom in gzdoom

[shadow trail]

yeah gzdoom engine

[bright owl]

Can Slade be used to compose MIDIs or only to import them?

[shadow trail]

it could be

[safe steppe]

Sadly you can't use slade, you need a midi editor

[bright owl]

32bit Slade says it has a MIDI thing, does it just let you import?

[safe steppe]

Yeah only playback and import/export

[bright owl]

Okay

[mild hinge]

Yep, this is a 3rd party program but you can use Sekaiju, the MIDI artist James Paddock cannot recommend it enough is what I heard from 1 of his streams and it's constantly being updated

[bright owl]

Oh cool thanks

[safe steppe]

It's also open source too so that's great

[mild hinge]

Correct

Apologies but you are talking as if I do not know this, I had been following the direction of Sigil for quite some time and have also been in contact with James

So just letting you know that before you continue

[still dagger]

Does FL Studio also suffice for creating midis

[safe steppe]

Use any software you like

[upbeat path]

Fuck around and find out

Just to annoy you.

[safe steppe]

I dont say this often but, just use gzdoom

If you want cut scenes and other storytelling elements GZDoom is the way to go

[upbeat path]

Gzdoom is illegal tho

[trail steeple]

dehacked too 🥶

[obsidian bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-face-palm-seriously-exasperated-gif-7304550

[bright owl]

So…. I’m having trouble coming up with levels that aren’t extremely simple and short. Is there a trick to make bigger and more interesting levels? (I know bigger isn’t necessarily better but I think my levels are actually too small).

[brave pilot]

Think of keycard hunting

Multiple branches

But distinct areas

[bright owl]

Use keys, branching paths, and distinct areas? Okay thanks. That at least gives me a framework to go off

[whole blade]

Try come up with several distinct main concepts that you can build around. A bridge over a canyon, an intricate cave system, and spire at the end of said bridge etc. Having distinct visual landmarks are also necessary for ensuring ease of navigation in big maps

[tender garden]

what do you mean....illegal?

[upbeat path]

ask Yura

[charred haven]

https://youtu.be/YpuRcmPnSTM

@vast citrus

[tender garden]

damb. I thought he was trying to get me

I will ask yura

[bright owl]

Okay that makes sense

[frozen slate]

https://youtu.be/2DJnlz64z8I

this mod really took my interest lately, can recommend to everyone

[brave pilot]

Distinct areas will let you crest more areas in your level, but also make it so people don’t get lost after finding a key

This way you can have multiple branches, but if they player knows they went down 1-2 it makes it easier to not get lost

Likewise it could be used as indicators for players to find locked doors again

[haughty flower]

Okay, i have a few file i have

[trail steeple]

it is legal

the creators of it got a permission from id to sell it

[wispy relic]

anyone good with global arrays and stuff in ACS, I would appreciate a bit of help here https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/124928-how-to-give-sectorsrooms-names-that-can-display-somewhere-gzdoomudmf/

[brisk flax]

ayy there are modding channels

im happy rn

[wispy relic]

I have solved the issue - instead of using the rather inflexible global arrays and SBARINFO for displaying the info, I have instead opted for the HUDMessage function and level-specific arrays

[haughty flower]

Hey mulder could you do me a favor? Need help with these. I wanna make the background of these transparent. Could you help?

[shadow trail]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125823-under-the-sea-a-short-map-i-made/

a small map i made for fun
feedbacks would be appreciate it

[wispy relic]

Not at a pc rn; I remember tho in XWE if you imported a picture with Cyan pixels (255 255 0), those would be treated as transparent by the editor

I’d suggest checking if SLADE works the same

[safe steppe]

if its a png image with transparency slade will automatically make it transparent

[haughty flower]

Too bad its already one. I got someone from the zdoom discord server to do it

[bright owl]

my current map keeps crashing in a certain room and I can't figure out why. the Room's main feature is 3 cyberdemons. are they known to cause game crashes?

[wispy relic]

can you post the wad?

Hard for me to get an idea just from that

[bright owl]

also I haven't tested the key doors but I had trouble getting them to work right on my previous map

[wispy relic]

What are you testing it with? The game's not crashing for me in either CrispyDoom or GZDoom

[bright owl]

GZDoom

Did you use the BFG for them? I did that but it just occurred to me that I didn’t tell you that there is one. ||It’s behind a fake wall in the room leftmost from your starting position||

[crisp dragon]

oh boy

I already notice a huge HOM effect in DSDA-Doom

[whole blade]

Check the crash log

[bright owl]

How do I check the crash log?

[crisp dragon]

ah so ran it in GZDoom, found that it was simply untextured stuff

and no, no crashes from me

[bright owl]

After some further testing, I’m only having crashes upon using the BFG in the cyberdemon room

I switched the BFG for a plasma rifle and the problem persists.

I have managed to get it working by removing the cyberdemons

I think the only remaining problem is that the key doors are being treated as fake walls

[wispy relic]

The doors aren't a glitch at least, you're just not building them the right way

[bright owl]

How do I fix it?

[wispy relic]

Which I don't mean to insult you or anything; it's a better situation - it's not a mystery we need to solve

[bright owl]

I figured I was just doing it wrong. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong though

[wispy relic]

All right, so you have your WAD open, right?

[bright owl]

Yes

[wispy relic]

And you know how to use Visual Mode in Doombuilder, right?
Where you view the level in 3d like so

[bright owl]

Yeah

[wispy relic]

Awesome

So looking at this door, I want you to remove the "BIGDOOR" textures you have right now, so you can see through to the room on the other side

[bright owl]

Done

[wispy relic]

Next, select the ceiling of the sector in 3D mode

Then, using your mouse wheel, scroll down so that the ceiling lowers and meets the floor

[bright owl]

Okay

[wispy relic]

It should look like this

[bright owl]

It does

[wispy relic]

Perfect
So on the front and back of the door, where you see the orange "MISSING TEXTURE" things, that's where your BIGDOOR textures need to go

You can right click them in visual mode and bring up the line properties window really easily

and the editor will clearly mark for you which part of the line is missing the texture

[bright owl]

Right.

[wispy relic]

Once you get the texturing sorted out, fire up GZDoom and try opening the door when you have the key

Is it working?

[bright owl]

It won’t open

[wispy relic]

Is it giving you a prompt?

Or can you not interact with the door at all?

[bright owl]

So the blue door is working fine. The red doesn’t seem to be

[wispy relic]

All right, I think I see the issue there

so these are the lines for your Red door

[bright owl]

Right

[wispy relic]

In the vanilla doom/Boom format, the player can only interact with the side where the little nib is facing (the "front" side of the line)

Select both lines and press the f key while in the 2D grid view to flip them

It should look like this

[bright owl]

I’ll test really quick

It works now

Thanks for the help

[wispy relic]

So now you know how to make doors

[bright owl]

Yup

[wispy relic]

And making lowering floors and elevators is a similar process; you just raise the floor up however much you want it at

[bright owl]

Do basic doors and monster closets work the same general way?

[wispy relic]

So any door with the "D*" kind of line activator will work how you just set it up, yes - you lower the door sector's ceiling and put that action on both sides of the door

For doors that open remotely (either with a separate switch press or a walk-over trigger), you make the door sector the same way, but you don't put any actions on the sides of the door

Instead, you'll have to give the door sector a tag, and make a switch / walk-over line with the appropriate action and give it the same tag

[bright owl]

That makes sense

[wispy relic]

As for monster closets, are you referring to traps like in Suburbs where a bunch of monsters pour in through a teleporter?

Or do you just mean like, literal monster closets like in doom 3 where a door opens and there's a bunch of baddies behind it

[bright owl]

Literal monster closets, though the teleporter thing also sounds important

[wispy relic]

Alright, so literal monster closets you'll just use the walkover line triggers, or give them the same tag as the gameplay-progression door has so they open at the same time

I should note - "D*" actions will only work on the sector they're attached to, and cannot make use of the Tag function to open multiple doors or remotely open a door
"S*" actions are your switch triggers, and while you can still use them on the door sector without a tag, they will also work as standalone switches to open 1 or multiple doors simultaneously with the same tag
"W*" actions are pretty much the same as the "S*" ones, only you can't really use them on the door itself since the player has to walk over the line to trigger it

Now, teleporting monster traps are a bit of a different beast, if you wanna learn about them right now

[bright owl]

I think I’ll worry about those another day then

[wispy relic]

No worries

[bright owl]

There is one other thing I’d like to ask about: how do I change the skybox for outdoor levels?

[wispy relic]

There are a few differen methods, depending on what port and what WAD you're targeting

[bright owl]

I’m using ZDoom and the Doom 2 WAD

[wispy relic]

In Vanilla Doom -
Doom 1 is hardcoded to have only 4 skies, one for each episode
Doom 2 is hardcoded to have only 3 skies, one for levels 1-11, 12-20, and 21-32

You're using the Boom map format, right? Or the vanilla map format?

[bright owl]

I’ve been using vanilla. Whenever I try to set up the others I can’t get them to detect my WADs

[wispy relic]

All right. If you're using the Vanilla map format with Doom 2, you only have 3 skies to use, and they depend on the level slots above if all you're using is Doombuilder

There are ways to have more flexibility with your skies, though.
The first option is to troubleshoot and get the Boom format working properly in Doom Builder.
The second option is to download the SLADE program and start making a file ("lump") in your wad called "UMAPINFO".

[bright owl]

Is Boom a separate program I need to download?

[wispy relic]

Boom is just the map format

[bright owl]

Okay

[wispy relic]

When you open "Map Options" in your map (edit -> Map Options), you should see a drop down list like this

just click on Boom for the game configuration

[bright owl]

Right. Don’t I need to add my WAD as a resource?

[wispy relic]

The wad that your level is in? No

If you have another, separate wad with textures or stuff, yes

And of course, you should add Doom2.wad as a resource if that's what you want it to be played with

[bright owl]

I’m asking about Doom2.wad

[wispy relic]

Then yeah

When I change the game configuration, the resource list isn't changing, so that shouldn't happen when you do it either

[bright owl]

Yeah it just goes blank when I switch to Boom

Got it set up

[wispy relic]

Hmm
I guess you just gotta hit "Add resource" and go through it again

Okay, cool

[crisp dragon]

how's the building coming along?

[wispy relic]

So in the Boom format, changing skies is really simple
And in fact, you can have multiple different skies in a level if you want

[wispy relic]

We got doors working 🥳

Now we're gonna get alternate skies going

[crisp dragon]

nice

also, the cyberdemons were replaced?

idk whats causing Molly's game to crash

[bright owl]

I think the cyberdemons were part of the crash state

[crisp dragon]

it works perfectly on GZDoom for me

[wispy relic]

Yeah, I couldn't see anything wrong either

[crisp dragon]

it's possible that something's wrong with your port

[bright owl]

I may need to troubleshoot GZDoom to fix it. That’s a future Molly problem

[wispy relic]

Are you using the latest version?

[bright owl]

I think so

[wispy relic]

4.7.1 iirc

[bright owl]

So how do I change the skybox in Boom?

[wispy relic]

All right, it's really simple
To start, we're going to give these two ceilings the "F_SKY1" flat:

Next, we'll give this sector a new tag (should be 1)

Good so far?

[bright owl]

Yeah, though I’m experimenting with a new map

[wispy relic]

All right, this'll still work then

So the room that doesn't have a tag, that one's gonna have the default sky
The room with the tag, we're going to give it a different sky

To make it happen, draw a little box outside the playable area of the map

[bright owl]

Done

[wispy relic]

Select the four sides of the box, and change them like this:

1. Give them an upper texture of the sky you want (I'm using SKY3, but any wall texture should work)
2. Give them the action 271: Transfer Skies
3. Give them the tag of the room that'll have the new sky

It won't show in the editor, but in-game it should work fine

[bright owl]

Got it working

The places where I’m in one sector but can see into the other (they’re connected) look really weird

[wispy relic]

Yeah, you should probably avoid using it on two sectors that directly touch.

If you give them both the same tag though, they will both take that same sky

[bright owl]

Yeah, though for a dreamscape type level that could be a neat trick

[wispy relic]

It could be, yeah

So there you have it, transfer skies. A simple way around the vanilla limits

[bright owl]

Thank you very much

[wispy relic]

Any time

[bright owl]

I have one last question that I hope is simple: where is a good place to find custom sky textures? Realm 667 doesn’t seem to have any

[wispy relic]

Realm667 should have a bunch of texture packs, though I don't think any of them are *specifically* dedicated to skies

Alternatively, there's this thread on Doomworld that has a bunch of great textures in general https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/90900-post-your-doom-textures/

[bright owl]

Oh cool thanks

[wispy relic]

one thing - these are looseleaf graphics
If you want to use them in your level, you'll have to import them into a WAD first using SLADE

[bright owl]

Okay. I’ll be figuring out Slade soon, so there we go

[wispy relic]

and setting up new textures properly is a little finicky unfortunately

Good luck o7

[bright owl]

Thanks! I’ll probably need it

[trail steeple]

final doom texture pack has some plutonia skies on realm667

[bright owl]

Oh cool that’s good to know

[bitter hare]

hi

i just updated my mod

its better now

[trail steeple]

👍

[bitter hare]

the ios can summon monsters now

it works withh crispy doom

and its more challenging

[trail steeple]

remember to test in multiple ports

unless the wad is made for a specific engine with specific functions

[bitter hare]

it works with gzdoom, crispy doom, and dsda-doom.

[trail steeple]

👍

[bitter hare]

it does not work with zandronum as the ios's sprite does not render in

[bitter hare]

i have a question

would anybody be willing to try to no hit the icon of sin mod i made on nightmare i can dm you the wad if your are curious

[safe steppe]

What the heck is doda

You mean Dsda?

[upbeat path]

DSDA doom was literally made with demo creation in mind, of course its not going to be wildly different from PRBoom+ because that's been the go-to port for years for speedrunning. It's not a crappier fork, its a fork with a specific purpose.

[agile shoal]

Crappy? Minimal changes? Outdated PrBoom+ fork?

5378 commits so far. Is that minimal changes?
Added a ton of QOL improvements like rewind
Added heretic and hexen support (and is starting to have Doom in Hexen support)
Its much more true to vanilla than PrBoom+
Plus some speedrunning tools that we love, like ghosts, level restart, run analysis, category tracking

The changes made to PrBoom+ are still being merged to dsda-doom (for the most part)

[trail steeple]

it isn't crappy nor it does minimal changes

[trail steeple]

isn't doda a polish singer or something

[crisp dragon]

You have literally no idea what you're talking about.

[safe steppe]

Isn't DSDA like the second most popular source port?

[crisp dragon]

First off, it's called DSDA-Doom, not DODA-Doom.

Second of all, it's geared towards speedrunners, so changes are going to be minimal.

[safe steppe]

They are not even that minimal too

They literally added MBF21

[crisp dragon]

Not second, but I'm sure that right now it's one of the most popular sourceports.

[crisp dragon]

True that, as well. They're the first ever sourceport to include Modder's Best Friend, followed by GZDoom and Woof!

Nothing about DSDA-Doom is "crappy", you're delusional, Yura.

and besides, DSDA-Doom isn't even a fork of PrBoom+.

it's a fork of PrBoom+UM.

[crisp dragon]

Sure, I'll take a look at it

[trail steeple]

he always was weird

like when he claimed that DeH is illegal

or when he wanted freedoom to counter its entire fucking point instead of making a fork like this

or when he said that making custom monsters while basing on the og sprites (many monsters from realm667 are like this) is against the law

i don't see the point of listing more

hell,he even once claimed that "doom 64 shouldn't deserve being a separate game"

[crisp dragon]

Big points tbh

[wispy relic]

it was the 90s

amongst the almost shovelware tier Doom ports the Midway people actually managed to pop out a quality project
p admirable imo

[bitter hare]

doom 64 is pretty good tbh