classic-doom-maps-mods

[wispy relic]

oh yeah, there are also puzzle/exploration focused kinds of maps

and probably tons of others
I think if you want to make a "fun" map, you first gotta decide on what kind of map you wanna do, and then keep certain design elements in mind from there

speaking to my own opinion, I find maps more interesting that are closer to the vanilla style - mostly medium-sized, occasional switch hunting here and there but mostly a focus on getting keys for progression through the level, and it has an open design that allows the player freedom in getting around

in addition to this, "blind switches" (when you hit a switch and have absolutely no idea what it does) are easily frustrating imo; for the most part, I think it best to keep switches to doing actions nearby (raising stairs or opening a door close by) so that the player can see what they've done. Anything where a switch opens up something halfway or all the way across the map is just dumb.

*note that this only applies to mandatory map progression; switches in plain sight that open up secrets or optional areas are (usually) fine

[trail steeple]

wanted to ask:

is making a switch not only do something close to you (like lowering a platform with a key) but also open something like a monster closet in a part of the level the player has to go back to a good idea ?

[wispy relic]

also to PB's first point there, I think it helps to be able to see other parts of the level you haven't reached yet as you play
episode 1 of the original Doom is really good about this; you can constantly see outside or through windows to places you haven't gotten access to yet, and then later when you do reach them, you can look back on where you've been and get a sense of reaching somewhere

[wispy relic]

Yeah, it's one way of keeping a map from getting empty as the player goes on

[trail steeple]

[wispy relic]

though you don't want to make it too predictable; if getting every key opens up a monster closet or w/e, then the player's not really going to be surprised by it

[trail steeple]

thanks for advice

[crisp dragon]

Yeah, once again it depends

Some people like challenging maps, some are straight up masochists, other people prefer relaxed and puzzle heavy gameplay, etc.

[trail steeple]

by masochists you mean the casali brothers ?

[crisp dragon]

Maybe, and Ribbiks may be one of them too 👀

Stardate 20x7 and sunlust serve as some good examples

[safe steppe]

As much as I love Ribbiks maps I have to admit I never got past sunlust map06, I don't think I am the kind of person to enjoy maps THAT difficult

[trail steeple]

why do midi files sound so similar to each other

[safe steppe]

Midi has its limitations

Creating a unique midi that stands out from rest can be challenging

[trail steeple]

i can hear a few instruments used in At Dooms Gate in Grabbag from duke nukem 3d so i guess it's pretty limited

[stoic hatch]

"Extract all", or "Run"?

[trail steeple]

extract the gzdoom files somewhere

from the .rar file

[stoic hatch]

"Fatal Error"

"Execution could not continue. Cannot find WAD."

[trail steeple]

oh wait you've already unpacked gzdoom ok

[stoic hatch]

Am I moving too fast?

[trail steeple]

dunno let me guide you through launching the thing for the first time

so launch gzdoom.exe

this window will pop up

[stoic hatch]

It friggin' isn't!

How do I take a screenshot of what I'm looking at? I need to show you.

[trail steeple]

press the printscreen key at the top of the keyboard

it's above the insert key

[crisp dragon]

Wait!

[stoic hatch]

Great. I think I took a screenshot. Let me show you.

[crisp dragon]

Daisy, do you have a game WAD?

[stoic hatch]

I just downloaded PRoject Brutality.

If that counts.

[trail steeple]

we are talking about the games like doom 1,2

[crisp dragon]

Hm, you're going to need something called a game wad to play Project Brutality

Because it can't run by itself.

[stoic hatch]

Of course!

[trail steeple]

so basically the main file of doom 1/2

[stoic hatch]

Where can I find this?

[crisp dragon]

Yeah, and you can get them on steam, and then you have to learn how to extract the file.

[trail steeple]

in your steamapps folder

[stoic hatch]

That's in my files folder?

[trail steeple]

steam/steamapps/common/doom or doom 2

[stoic hatch]

If you're asking me if I've downloaded the original Doom from Steam, I haven't. Do I need to?

[trail steeple]

yeah

[stoic hatch]

Holy shit. OK! Be right back, ladies and germs.

[trail steeple]

doom2 also works

once you've downloaded doom 1 you should be here:

[stoic hatch]

Will Ultimate Doom work?

[trail steeple]

that's doom 1,it will work

as i said,doom 2 and final doom (plutonia and tnt) will also work

[stoic hatch]

Gonna be cheap and just go for the five dollar version.

[trail steeple]

doom 1 is cheap

[frozen slate]

hi guys i just played temple of the lizardmen and its really good actually

[trail steeple]

that's true

[crisp dragon]

You actually should get doom 2

[stoic hatch]

A moment while I download this game.....

[crisp dragon]

Because most mods/ map sets are better with doom 2, although Ultimate Doom will also work.

[stoic hatch]

Now ya tell me?!

[trail steeple]

super shotgun our beloved

[trail steeple]

doom 1 isn't bad tho,doom2 just offers more stuff for the modders

[crisp dragon]

^

[trail steeple]

it's also cheap

[sacred pine]

I prefer Doom 1's level design but yeah, that's not that related to this theme.

[stoic hatch]

Aaand she's downloaded!

Now what?

[trail steeple]

ok

we should go here

DOOM.wad is what we are interested in

[stoic hatch]

You're in a different language.

[trail steeple]

basically go to wherever your steam folder is

[sacred pine]

It's just your Drive and Program Files (x86)

The rest should be the same

[stoic hatch]

Ah! I see it now! I'm in the folder above! What do I click on next?

[trail steeple]

so copy this file

go to the folder where you've unpacked gzdoom

[stoic hatch]

Your icon for that program is different than mine. Mine is just a blank sheet of paper, while yours is that pretty G in blue. Will that be an issue?

[trail steeple]

no it won't

[stoic hatch]

Here goes nothing!

[trail steeple]

so paste the DOOM.wad file into your gzdoom folder

[crisp dragon]

Gotta find the gzdoom folder first or create one, don't forget that.

[stoic hatch]

Just copy and paste that doom.wad file?

[trail steeple]

yeah

[crisp dragon]

Yep

[trail steeple]

after doing that try launching gzdoom.exe

pick this

[stoic hatch]

Great. I'm playing classic Doom now. Oh, joy.

[trail steeple]

so now we have to tweak some stuff

[crisp dragon]

Mhm

[trail steeple]

so first,go to options

display options

turn off texture filtering

texture filtering makes the game look like someone was playing it in dirty glasses

[sacred pine]

Please follow that instruction

[stoic hatch]

Whenever I open gzdoom (and that's what it says, it doesn't say gzdoom.exe) it just boots up Classic Doom.

[trail steeple]

that's ok

[stoic hatch]

Well, not if it won't let me play Project Brutality, it ain't!

[sacred pine]

It's because you don't have any more IWADs there, it will just boot on the one it detects

[stoic hatch]

But, I downloaded Brutality. I think.

[trail steeple]

for the next option we'll have to launch a level in the game

[trail steeple]

we'll get to that in a second

[stoic hatch]

I'm not seeing this menu. At all.

[trail steeple]

tha'ts ok

since you only have the doom1 IWAD (main game file) it will launch it

[stoic hatch]

Boy, I sure am getting a lot of instructions!

[crisp dragon]

The reason why you don't see this menu is really simple. It's because you only have 1 game, so it automatically launches that game because there is no reason for there to be a selection screen.

[stoic hatch]

How do I get to the above menu?

[trail steeple]

you would have to have more than a single IWAD (like the doom 2 one for example)

[sacred pine]

Freedoom also works but if you have the original games it's not as useful.

[trail steeple]

so now let's tweak the default settings

go to options,then display options and turn off texture filtering

[stoic hatch]

How? I'm not at that menu!

Or am I just supposed to open Doom?

[sacred pine]

Open Doom and go to the in-game options

[trail steeple]

just launch doom in gzdoom

go here

here

and turn off texture filtering

[crisp dragon]

Yep.

For reference, this is how the game looks with texture filtering.

[stoic hatch]

"nearest mipmap?"

[trail steeple]

you can use this variant if you want

[stoic hatch]

That's done. Next step?

[trail steeple]

for the next option we'll have to turn on a level to see it take effect

your hud may look very small

[crisp dragon]

#classic-doom-maps-mods message

[trail steeple]

we are going to fix it

[stoic hatch]

It don't look bad.

[trail steeple]

so ugly

[crisp dragon]

Here, I make a comparison between the game with texture filtering and without.

[trail steeple]

so again,options

now we go to scaling options

[crisp dragon]

Trust me, scroll down a bit more. I start comparing monsters with and without filtering

[trail steeple]

i've personally set it like so

[crisp dragon]

The difference is huge. And another user also did a test.

[trail steeple]

i can do a test of texture filtering even now

[stoic hatch]

I just wasted some zombie guys. They look like the classic sprites. Not those abominations from above.

But this is Doom Lite. I want raw brutality!

[trail steeple]

texture filtering on

[stoic hatch]

So, how do I get my hands on Brutal Doom and Project Brutality?

[trail steeple]

texture filtering off

[trail steeple]

ok,now we are getting to the fun part

just drag the pk3 file onto gzdoom

[crisp dragon]

To use Project Brutality, go to the gzdoom folder.

Locate the project brutality pk3. Then drag it over the GZDoom .exe

It's as simple as that.

[crisp dragon]

Yep, because I used a special weapon and monster pack. With texture filtering they look awful, don't they?

[trail steeple]

you can load any other mod that is a .pk3 this way

[stoic hatch]

Holy muthafuckin SHIT!!!

[trail steeple]

yeah,it's that easy

honestly it's good to first play a bit of normal doom and then jump into mods

personal opinion

[stoic hatch]

I'm having to learn to play all over again. And fuck me, I need to decrease the difficulty level. This ain't no JOKE!!!

[crisp dragon]

Yeah...

[trail steeple]

no need to immidiately play on ultra-violence

[stoic hatch]

@trail steeple @crisp dragon @sacred pine I thank thee all. With you thy guidance, I would not currently be knee deep in the dead right now.

[trail steeple]

play the way you want,and have fun

[trail steeple]

[stoic hatch]

I'm just on Harsh!

[sacred pine]

It's no problem to help, although they did more than me

[trail steeple]

texture filtering is the most useless option in gzdoom

[crisp dragon]

^

[stoic hatch]

How do I reload? R, right?

[trail steeple]

yes iirc

[crisp dragon]

I'm gonna have to go out on a limb and say that I like filtering in some places though. With super high res models with a lot of pixels, I think it's better to use filtering to make it look smoother. But unfortunately, t the same time, because doom is very pixelated on a small scale, it makes the level textures look like shit.

[trail steeple]

yes

[stoic hatch]

I noticed that there were three different options when it came to playing this.

[crisp dragon]

This is what I hate, because with the mod pack that i'm playing I think filtering looks good with the HUD but it makes the rest of the level look like shit, because again the wide pixels of classic doom levels.

[trail steeple]

i personally don't understand why people make 3d mods for doom

3d models don't really fit original doom that well

[stoic hatch]

How do I get to the fan made levels? The levels made by the players?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klcuYrIB47E Shit like this?

[crisp dragon]

Yep, because 3D models require dynamic lighting to look good. Classic doom doesn't have dynamic lighting, so in the end they look oversaturated or lifeless because they don't have shadows.

[trail steeple]

fan made levels are separate wad files (PWADS for short) and you have to get them online

idgames archive has some

[stoic hatch]

But the basic Brutal doom and PRoject Brutality WAD are essentially just the old Doom maps and enemies, only the blood and goor have been dialed up to eleven? And we get to experience the joy of reloading?

[trail steeple]

ig

[crisp dragon]

Yep, it's only a gameplay mod. It doesn't come with custom maps, you need to download them separately.

[trail steeple]

there are plenty of map-packs on the web

knee-deep in zdoom is cool

[stoic hatch]

Also, when I click on the gzdoom icon, it still just takes me to classic Doom. I have to click and drag the PRoject Brutality pk3 file and drop it on the gzdoom icon in order for Brutality to fire up.

[trail steeple]

that's how it simply works

[stoic hatch]

And is there a list of weapons I can look at for Brutality?

[stoic hatch]

What about that menu thingie you showed me from earlier?

[trail steeple]

i think there is a list somewhere

[trail steeple]

you would have to have more IWADs (freedoom for example)

[stoic hatch]

"Freedoom". What on earth is that?

And how do I perform those gnarly executions I see on Youtube playthrough videos? That Bethesda totally didn't rip off?

Also....
Project Brutality
Classic V20B
Traditional

What do these all mean?

And holy fucking balls, I suck at this!

[crisp dragon]

Don't be scared about playing a lower difficulty btw, doom is supposed to make you feel like a demon killing machine

[crisp dragon]

Go to option, go the the search options tab. Then search up "glory kill"

[haughty flower]

It's a substitute for Doom 1 and 2 in case you can't buy em

[stoic hatch]

It's late at night. I'm cooking dinner, then I'm going to bed.

But tomorrow!
Tomorrow, I'm probably going to spend all goddamned day playing this!

[crisp dragon]

Nice!

[stoic hatch]

But for now, I'm on this Coursera course about the basics and fundamentals of IT.

[trail steeple]

freedoom is a fan project that aims to make a free doom 1 & 2 IWAD. it uses the doom's source code,but 90% of the assets are entirely custom (some of the simpliest textures or the ones that couldn't really be replaced are as in regular doom,some have just the swapped UAC logo for something else,and the rest of the textures and stuff is completely custom)

and before you ask,yes,original doom is open-source

[wispy relic]

oh yeah baby, now we're cooking with plasma

[vast citrus]

Why did Bethesda pick Double Impact as the first official addon package for D1R?

[trail steeple]

D1R ?

[vast citrus]

Doom 1 remaster

[pulsar pike]

it’s a good mod

[vast citrus]

Wasn't it used as the final episode of a core package that only dissidents use?

those who absolutely, vehemently loathe Bethesda use the "free" core packages with their ports of choice

and the "phase 1" of the thing has 3 own episodes + a copy of Double Impact

[trail steeple]

what is the "PR Lost Soul" and "MBF helper dog" in UDB ?

[vast citrus]

Marine's Best Friend - AI buddy

[vast citrus]

Replacing all preplaced LSes with PRboom LSes - essentially a dupe actor - prevents the PE LS hardcap

[trail steeple]

hm,makes sense

what about "MBF Helper Dog" ?

[vast citrus]

that is an AI buddy - but also usable as an enemy since actually being derived from Wolf3d dogs

[trail steeple]

oh,so that's what the "friendly (MBF Logic)" is for

[past ocean]

YuraConst

[vast citrus]

if you remove the friendly tag, the MBF dog can be used as a strong enemy in a megawad where oremoR aka Icon of Sin sends the Marine back in time to a Nazi-infested Wolfenstein or other castle saying "even I am tired of their meddling!" before exploding

[trail steeple]

interesting

[vast citrus]

the Friendly tag in Z-family mods enables the Friendly logic

this allows you to build a game using Strife "game mode" with actually friendly guards (since you're the mayor's son), etc - but mostly using Blasphemer assets

in a TD map set on Doom, you can actually have spawn grenades for friendly towers (immobile mobs)

[trail steeple]

yeah,i noticed that you can make a entity an ally using the MBF or Strife logic

[vast citrus]

speaking of which, would be interesting to see a sort of Mann vs Machine TD mode

using the Realm667 Strife style turret enemies turned into allies that come out of spawn grenades

Can the Spawn Cube and Grenade actually be turned into a single thing, the Spawn Grenade?

[shadow trail]

made some weapons in decorate (wip)

[trail steeple]

aren't all (if not most) of those guns on realm667 tho

[shadow trail]

the sprites yes
but the decorate code is made by me

[trail steeple]

oh ok

cool ig

[idle flax]

yoooo looks great

[vast citrus]

Damn, why can't I make Eternal on FreeDoom into a fully Vanilla compatible IWAD? When I try fusing, I get a Boom IWAD

[wanton wasp]

Hello there, people! I'm completely new to the Doom modding universe and I'm trying to learn stuff... there's one particular thing I'd like to do: make custom death animation for the player (something like death scenes in Dead Space, with monsters brutally slaying the player)... is it even possible?

[safe steppe]

It is possible in (g)zdoom engine but I don't think you will find a tutorial that specific, your best bet is to ask on the zdoom forums or open a mod in slade that has that feature and try to look for the lump that does the trick

[wanton wasp]

Thank you c;

[vast citrus]

this is the "remapped" version of Doom2 running with HD and 3D models

[vast citrus]

as of death animations, IIRC even Brutal doesn't do that

[fallen panther]

this mod is much better than when I last used it

https://www.moddb.com/mods/map-loader/downloads/map-loader

it now functions far more like a level select in a modern game

when you select a level while in another it'll go through the end level screen so you get to keep you weapons into the next level . compared to the level warp commands that just pistol starts you useful for if a level exit process doesn't work properly
(valiant vaccinated map 7 was like this with brutal doom)

there's even a function that will return you to the main menu which I found interesting

[whole blade]

Yes but I'm pretty sure you'll have to define a new player class

[wispy relic]

Worth noting that in zdoom/gzdoom, using the console command “Changemap” instead of the IDCLEV cheat or “Map” command lets you keep your weaponry

[whole blade]

Other way round I think

"Map" command resets inventory

[fallen panther]

that's why I just prefer menu mods like that

simplifies things and removes the need to memorize alot of commands

[wispy relic]

Ye, that’s what I said lol

[whole blade]

No you said
“Map” command lets you keep your weaponry

[wispy relic]

that's only part of the sentence
"using the console command “Changemap” instead of the IDCLEV cheat or “Map” command"

ig I didn't make it clear enough, but Changemap is the one that lets you keep your stuff
IDCLEV and Map don't
that's what I was trying to say

[trail steeple]

what does the "unholy bible" in UDB do

[gilded bobcat]

ok so it looks like this

[trail steeple]

looks normal to me

[gilded bobcat]

but in GZDOOM and every other sourceport it's not stretched out like that check it

[trail steeple]

hm

[gilded bobcat]

It wasn't like that before when I used PRBOOM

[trail steeple]

is there anything in the options related to skybox

[trail steeple]

maybe prboom renders the skybox differently

quite weird since the skybox looks normal in unity port

[gilded bobcat]

nah definitely not Im watching decino's gameplay and he uses PRBOOM and the skybox looks normal

[trail steeple]

try checking options

[gilded bobcat]

video settings none of em seem to change anything with the skyboxes, hmm

[trail steeple]

very weird

i dunno,maybe try reinstalling the thing

🤷‍♂️

[gilded bobcat]

I was hoping that was a last resort but I suppose I'll have to

thanks for the help though I appreciate it

[trail steeple]

👍

[agile shoal]

Are using regular prboom? prboom+um and dsda-doom have most likely fixed whatever problem this is

I recommend dsda-doom

[wispy relic]

Stretching the skybox is an option in gzdoom

so yeah, I would def double check w/e sourceport is that you're using for an option like that

[safe steppe]

I just checked with dsda-doom and the sky looks normal, I think you're using and outdated version of prboom, try using prboom UM fork or dsda-doom

[gilded bobcat]

I just uninstalled everything and it looked normal, then I set up all my settings and it was still good, closed the game and problem came back.... :sadge:

[safe steppe]

which version of prboom are you using? Prboom or Prboom+

[gilded bobcat]

I should also mention I use the PRBOOM Launcher to launch the game. Prboom+ 2.5.1.4 is what I use

[agile shoal]

Try dsda-doom

[gilded bobcat]

alright

[agile shoal]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/118074-dsda-doom-source-port-v0213/

[safe steppe]

I just checked prboom+ 2.5.1.4, it seems on both the hardware and software renderers the sky is appearing as it should be, it might be something in your game settings

[gilded bobcat]

hmm I’m thinking so too

I might set everything to default again and see what is causing the change

[trail steeple]

does dsda-doom require standard prboom+ to run

[safe steppe]

uh.. no? why would it

[gilded bobcat]

ummmmmmmm

so I found what causes the skybox to be stretched.... and it's the mouselook option...

.-.

[trail steeple]

[gilded bobcat]

lmao

but here's the thing I turn on that option so DoomGuy would stop walking around with the mouse movement

so how do I turn that mouse movement off?

nvm I figured it out! LETS GO

[crisp dragon]

Oh.

Yeah, that can happen sometimes esp in ports like regular PrBoom+ where it wasn't fixed fully compared to DSDA or PrB+UM and the other forks

[gilded bobcat]

damn, that really gave me a headache trying to fix it and it was the smallest thing too.

[vast citrus]

GZdoom 3D models do suck, but with sprites I feel the motion sickness much sooner

[crisp dragon]

I think it's because since normally the sky gets cut off when using mouselook, the sky stretches to compensate but now we have engines advanced enough to actuakly render sky without it stretching

[whole blade]

This is factually incorrect

Models are as good as the person who made them

[haughty flower]

Having an issue playing Sunlust using Project Brutality 3.0. When dragging and dropping PB and Sunlust to GZDoom, the shotgun skin reverts to the original.

When loading through ZDL instead, shotgun skin is fine, but the floor and door textures are totally out of whack

[whole blade]

it'll probably be a load order issue

welcome to using mods

[vast citrus]

The person who supplied the Doom 1/2 3D model bundle for GZ (3d_models.pk3) is pretty bad at it

but still, with models I feel slightly less motion sickness as compared to pure sprite-based mode

[haughty flower]

Awesome.

[vast citrus]

Is it possible to have an Ataxx/Hexxagon clone written in Zdoom scripts, to present as a lock screen in a map set's training facility, in homage to Prince's work on Hexxagon?

[trail steeple]

holy shoot
if that purple icon of sin wall wasn't there i would think it's a screenshot from an entirely different game

[upbeat path]

thanks 😄 just a GZDoom map with some pretty lights is all 😛

[trail steeple]

👍

[deep aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/404338516336574477/898211269121831012/low_res_og_doom.mp4

[safe steppe]

that one is fake btw

[pulsar pike]

what the fuck

[shadow trail]

looks sick

especially the textures

[haughty flower]

any software recommended to make music like classic DOOM?

[whole blade]

Sekaiju seems to be the go to midi creater

[dusk bay]

Yall can never unsee this map design user error, enjoy.

[crisp dragon]

yeah I saw it ages ago, it was an oversight

[trail steeple]

bruh

[dusk bay]

Yes? lmao

[dusk bay]

I found it a few weeks ago and forgot about it until I played DOOM2 again and was like noooooooo I cant unsee it xDD

[haughty flower]

damn now i cant unsee it anymore

[vast citrus]

Doom1 megawads are hard to find, especially good ones

[haughty flower]

Great ones are add-ons on Doom classic bethesda re-release

[trail steeple]

let me introduce you to SI6IL

[vast citrus]

Even on 1, some of them are Doom2 PWADs grafted onto Doom2 IWAD itself

Double Impact, 2002 A Doom Odyssey, Sigil... the only Doom1-based ones I can think of

FreeD♾️M actually includes DI

[wispy relic]

I mean the largest thing is that there's not much reason to make an Ultimate-doom megawad when Doom 2 basically has everything and more

the only stuff "missing" from doom2 is a few textures and music
otherwise doom2 has every weapon/monster/thing and more

[safe steppe]

You can even make a doom 1 style megawad while using the doom2 iwad

but not the other way around

[vast citrus]

if it's as you claim, why was Deathless made as a Doom1 PWAD?

[wispy relic]

hang on a second, let's look at what you actually started with
"Doom1 megawads are hard to find"
There are some, sure
but what Vulldozer and I were getting at is the underlying reason why it's the case: for most intents and purposes, it's better to just use Doom 2 as the base

We're not saying people **have **to make PWADs using doom 2 or w/e, just that most of the time it's preferred

Someone may come along wanting to specifically tinker off of Ultimate doom, and it looks like that's what happened with Deathless

Jimmy ig just decided he wanted to make an ultimate doom megawad; I can't really say any more than that as to why he chose Doom 1 instead of Doom 2

[safe steppe]

Couldn't have said it better

My point wasnt that doom1 wads are pointless but rather that using doom2 as the iwad is usually the go to when making a new wad

[haughty flower]

ye but you could just say super shotgun and the point would be made

[wispy relic]

imagine I'm yelling in all caps here,
I've done it woo hoo

I've set up non-euclidean geometry in a level

What purpose does it serve you might ask?
None whatsoever

[whole blade]

100%. the extra enemies and the SSG make doom 2 hard to pass up

[vast citrus]

Well, with Doom2 you can't just plop the shareware on top of FD to hide most of FD's assets

since Doom2 had no SW

could you tell that this was running on top of FD but with the Shareware applied as a PWAD?

seriously

my feelings about FreeDoom are mixed

Better initial weapons than in Doom, but FreeDoom allows Doom sourceports to load mods without registering, INCLUDING treating shareware IWAD as a RWAD between the Doom1 IWAD and the level pack PWAD

[trail steeple]

texture filtering 🤢

[trail steeple]

iirc there is a doom1 texture pack for doom2 on realm667 iirc

[shadow trail]

some snow mountain im making

its also wip so the final result will be better

[vast citrus]

Why the hell didn't Bethesda add Steam Workshop and a Unity port of Slade to the Unity port?

if I was in charge of Doom classics at Bethesda, I'd remove Ultimate, Final and Master Levels (DOSbox wrapped original with DoomIt) and instead sold Classic Complete Lite (Doom95 with Ddraw patch and all 4 IWADs) and Doom Classic Complete Reborn (Unity port with an actual launcher-menu that loads the Doom engine-routine with the selected IWAD and PWAD, with full Workshop integration instead of the honk-bonk BethesdaNet

oh, maybe even have Doom Classic Lite as free base with doom 1 Shareware IWAD, with the 4 full IWADs as a single DLC

[trail steeple]

if you removed the dosbox versions you could potentially remove the iwad with it

[whole blade]

none of this makes any fucking sense

the shit you're listing? meaningless garbage that no one knows about

what the fuck even is a "unity port of slade".
slade is a 3rd party resource editing utility that has absolutely nothing to do with any port

[trail steeple]

i think he had a stroke writing that

[safe steppe]

Imo the unity port does exactly its job

Its exactly what bethesda wanted it to be

An easy to use version of doom for people who want to try it without the hassle of setting up a source port

Sure it might take a PC user like 2 mins to install

But for someone who doesn't use a pc often they could potentiallly waste a lot of time and not get it to work

Also wtf is a unity port of slade?

Slade is a doom editor

As long as the source port supports doom format (which the unity port obviously does) current slade works for making wads for the unity port

[vast citrus]

Any Win32 application can be wrapped in Unity. In short, give the Unity port an onboard editor and Steam Workshop

[vast citrus]

Replace dosbox version with doom95 version

[trail steeple]

isn't that the same thing

[safe steppe]

The dosbox version existed before the unity port

It just there as an extra option incase someone needs it

More choices is always a good thing

[wispy relic]

Technically doom95 was like the first”port” of doom, if I have it right

Also iirc, it’s uh
considered a rather shitty one at that

[trail steeple]

worse than the unity port ?

[wispy relic]

Idk, I just know I’ve seen several old hands on Doomworld dunking on Doom95

[vast citrus]

not really, Doom95 is the GabeN sourceport

[remote widget]

Doom 95 is buggy lol

[vast citrus]

also, apparently Doom Plus executables can be distributed with corresponding FreeDoom phases and any vanilla-compatible PWAD(s)...

FreeDoom2 works with Plus but not vanilla

some secrets still need Boom, but if the player has a 32-level megawad that doesn't matter

[vast citrus]

you can actually turn Doom 1 TWID into an IWAD with FreeDoom and Doom1 SW

the shareware WAD has missing textures, not just levels

that's why FreeDoom as rootstock

[still dagger]

The Unity port is absolutely fine

[crisp dragon]

Yeah

[safe steppe]

I blame all the unity port hate on gmanlives

[trail steeple]

wait what did he say about it

[safe steppe]

he made a very terrible and misleading video reviewing it that got a lot of attention and that he eventually deleted

[trail steeple]

what were his points about it being bad

[safe steppe]

my favorite line of the video gotta be: "The unity port can't run simple mods like brutal doom"

[trail steeple]

unity port is not that advanced

[safe steppe]

The video is deleted but you can probably still watch a video reuploaded by someone else

[trail steeple]

and brutal doom is not a "simple mod"

[safe steppe]

and then there is a response video by (DoomKid I think) that explains why that video got it wrong

[trail steeple]

imagine considering brutal doom a "simple mod"

[safe steppe]

the video is so bad it's hilariously funny tbh

[trail steeple]

that's like saying that sigil is a total conversion that drastically changes the game

[safe steppe]

feel free to share them

[whole blade]

making progress on a thing

[safe steppe]

this looks like something straight outta quake

[crisp dragon]

^

Doesn't even look like doom lmao, that's how good it is

Quite amazing what you can do with GZDoom

[trail lion]

I feel like it's made with gold source engine because of the torches

[safe steppe]

It turns out you can actually install Ultimate Doom Builder on GNU/Linux, all you need is to install wine mono

@agile shoal this might interest you as you always said you wanted MBF support on slade, you can just install UDB on linux

It seems the mouse input is a bit laggy but other than that I can actually make maps save them and run them

[shadow trail]

winter is coming

[agile shoal]

I think it even is possible to compile UDB for linux without the use of wine, but because I use MacOS, not linux, its no use for me.
Im still waiting to be able to dual boot windows on mac. Maybe they will announce something on monday’s apple event (a man can dream right?)

[safe steppe]

Macs dont have a dual boot feature?

Oops never knew that

Although

I think there is a version of wine that runs on macOS

[safe steppe]

@agile shoal you might be able to run wine on mac and install udb wiki.winehq.org/MacOS

I don't have a mac myself so I cant test it out

[agile shoal]

Intel Macs can dual boot. But I have a M1 Mac, which cant (so far)

The wine you link also doesnt run on m1 macs. The only wine that does work on m1 macs is paid

Thx for your help, but as of now, its not possible

[vast citrus]

What's the general stance on WildWeasel's Stranger?

Stranger gives Pain Elementals a new attack independent of the LS limit

[vast citrus]

Thatcher's Techbase starts with a bizarro descent thing and the first actual level is a clusterblunder

[vast citrus]

There's an issue with the daggers in WildWeasel's Stranger mod

Dropped daggers seem to give two daggers

What's causing that?

[trail steeple]

maybe a coding oversight 🤷

[vast citrus]

Sometimes it works fine and sometimes it dupes

in both GZ and LZ

when it dupes, its initial supply is 6 daggers. When it works normally, it's 3 (out of 10 max)

ah, seems a difficulty bug specific to Easy

[trail steeple]

ITYTD adds more ammo to every thing that you pick up

so that may case the issue

[vast citrus]

Is there a fix?

or would the dagger simply need a rework to be melee only? (melee is altfire)

[upbeat path]

Ask the mod developers

[royal wave]

https://twitter.com/kbeevans/status/1450154616482455553?s=20

Kaelan "kevans" Evans (@kbeevans)

Batter up! #Gardevoir #Doom

Twitter · Oct 18, 2021, 5:39 PM

[royal wave]

https://twitter.com/kbeevans/status/1450328439974629380?s=20

Kaelan "kevans" Evans (@kbeevans)

THWACK #Gardevoir #Doom https://t.co/AbPEvNnGtI

▶ Play video

Twitter · Oct 19, 2021, 5:10 AM

[royal wave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p94Bw_OTkJU

[trail steeple]

murder

[haughty flower]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/terminator-mayhem-arena-urepentant-30/downloads/terminator-mayhem-co-op-and-singleplayer-liquid-metal-edition

best played with ZANDRONUM

[whole blade]

Hot new doom wad just dropped
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125253-fractured-worlds/

[remote widget]

rocket launcher replaced into a grenade

[vast citrus]

LOL, Kaiser's DSV looks kinda funny without his chosen weapons but with the MINIWAD.WAD used as the IWAD file

crispy-doom -iwad miniwad.wad -file dsvmapsl.wad

[vast citrus]

with PRBoom+ it's even easier - rename miniwad to doom2.wad and set DSV maps for Legacy as WAD 1 in config

DSV map 1 room 2 on Miniwad

[shadow trail]

this looks sick

[vast citrus]

It's time Doom TWID and FreeDoom merged and did everything to dissociate from Doom franchise while staying as just Boom compatible Doom map sets

ShooT: The Way Dallas Did

[trail steeple]

you know that what you said entirely counters the point of freedoom ?

[vast citrus]

Stay fully compatible with content made for vanilla Doom but drop the word Doom

I'm serious, since ID is now under Bethesda (and that is now under MS), it might be best to drop the Doom name just to be safe

Also, imagine Hideous Destructor and Yomi projects merging - with Yomi expanding into a 64-level (2-"episode") thing that runs on GZDoom+FreeDoom

Could "The Destructive Abomination" (that being the title of the combined game) have any chance of selling on Itch as a NYOP game?

or would no one actually pay?

[trail steeple]

this defeats the purpose of freedoom: being free

[safe steppe]

Microsoft/Bethesda don't have any reason to sue the FreeDoom creator(s) for copyright infringement, it would just hurt there reputation and not serve any actual purpose, besides FreeDoom is already different enough from Doom.

[trail steeple]

yeah,it is very different
no reason to change it even more

[vast citrus]

Destructive Abomination being a commercial Itch game using FreeDoom as a base asset bundle per the commercial permitting license of the FreeDoom (or ShooT) project

and then again, a commercial NYOP game with no bottom limit - so it would still be downloadable for free

besides, other FOSS projects on Github already DO offer an Itch NYOP option - and some actually suggest Itch as recommended method of getting Windows binaries

C-Dogs SDL, which is a free 2D shooter game, does exactly that

[whole blade]

Do you know why no one uses freedoom? Because it's poor quality. And the doom iwads are so cheap they might as well be free. Go spout your weird obsession in the freedoom discord. No one here cares

[trail steeple]

the icon of sin reskin freedoom has literally looks like an image from google graphics

[haughty flower]

imo it's not poor quality but it's something I'd expect from it being a free version of Doom

[safe steppe]

FreeDoom is actually very good

It's just that it's purpose isn't necessarily to be a doom competitor, it's supposed to a doom replacement, incase anyone wants to play doom mods without actually owning doom, or if someone wants to make a commercial game and decides to use ZDoom as their engine, they can pair it with freedoom

And hey after all, freedoom is completely free (free in price and free as in freedom), you can't really complain about that

[haughty flower]

that too^

[trail steeple]

and iirc freedoom is a community project to wich you can submit your own content to make it for example look better

[trail steeple]

exactly

[upbeat path]

3D model exporter is the bomb dot com

[trail steeple]

cool skybox

[shadow trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/204082693804261376/900283283361898566/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/204082693804261376/900269184875917312/Screenshot_738.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/204082693804261376/900269296381468682/Screenshot_741.png

[rain snow]

I’m really enjoying meta doom

It’s like a compilation of the best parts of every doom game

[trail lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1kVx4GqfDw&ab_channel=AudomMoy

[trail steeple]

how can i make a moster/ an item spawn only in a specific difficulty level in UDMF format ?

[haughty flower]

ok so, place a new thing. on the side of the menu that pops up, there are flags that you can check to have it spawn in a specific difficulty (i.e skill 1, skill 2, skill 3, skill 4, skill 5)

[wispy relic]

adding on to this, the default behavior of vanilla doom is for Skill 1 and 2 to have the same thing placement ("Easy"), Skill 3 to have its own thing placement ("Medium"), and Skills 4 and 5 to have the same thing placement ("Hard")

with UDMF ofc, you can have skills 1-5 with an even more graduated scale of adjustments made
but I think that following the way Vanilla difficulty differences work is a tried and true method of balance

UDMF also supports up to 8 or 16 different difficulties (UDB has flags for 8 different difficulties, but the ZDoom wiki says the format can handle 16, so idk which is right)
In any case though, if you flag Things for more than the standard 5 difficulties, you'll have to define those new difficulties in MAPINFO in order for them to actually function

[tender garden]

mod name?

[shadow trail]

its a short wad im making for someone
i really have no plans to make it public but hey i can do it if anybody is interested

[trail steeple]

thanks for the help

[vast citrus]

Imagine a Doom Musou game...

combo-based melee, ranged weapons mainly consisting of thrown ones... and 3rd person camera unless you select said thrown weapon

[tender garden]

I am a little interested. I like the shotgun model too. But if it's too much don't go out of your way for me

[wispy relic]

Escher would be proud

[shadow trail]

i can dm you the thing
but it has a lot of dumb stuff in it

[vast citrus]

Which megawad goes best with WildWeasel's Batteries Still Not Included?

For Stranger, the choice is pretty obvious - it's the Yomi add-on episode

[remote widget]

damn i probably converted the doom hud incorrectly

[agile shoal]

Nah, it looks good

[trail steeple]

what did you do to the hud

[viral notch]

https://youtu.be/PfDQNEmf5ek

[haughty flower]

My first map

[remote widget]

i accidentally converted the hud into something

[shadow trail]

for a first map
looks cool

[trail steeple]

looks interesting

would play it

[shadow trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/204082693804261376/901879413770170408/Screenshot_770.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/204082693804261376/901879472163262514/unknown.png

[vast citrus]

Took me ages to realize that FreeDoom was built with level flipping in mind

The unusual G shape in FreeDoom becomes a D when flipped

like this

MDA means Monochrome Display Adapter

[trail steeple]

the van

[quick crag]

I made an endless map because why not

i couldnt get every monster to drop different kinds of ammo with dehacked

so infrequent use of idfa is kinda required depending how long it takes you to get bored of the single ugliest map i have ever made

when you're ready for the level to be over take the lift, go through the tunnel, and shoot the icon with the ssg a few times

[vast citrus]

you can't do that with DEH, that needs scripting

like in Brutal/Magop

[quick crag]

yeah, the "dropped by monsters" tag in dehacked didnt seem to do anything

but for the endless thing itself monster spawners are pretty handy

[vast citrus]

doesn't work with "shmuppy" monsterpacks

[vast citrus]

seriously, Endless is already hardcore, more so on "shmup type" monster packs

[vast citrus]

Woah, T64 mod is hard!

It randomly reanimates decorative corpses!

[shadow trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/837207335453458432/902140757417267210/SPOILER_monsters_coming_from_a_van.mp4

the monsters are in vans now
they are coming to your location to kill you

[trail steeple]

creative

[remote widget]

reminds me of grezzo 2

and i cannot look at Crispy DOOM the same way man

[trail steeple]

grezzodue 2 has a demo now

[remote widget]

noice

[trail steeple]

[remote widget]

tho i'm still saving for spaces

i just like recovered a lot of gbs after i updated it to 20h2

funny thing is that i don't call grezzo 2 a mod but rather a game

[trail steeple]

isn't grezzo2 standalone

[remote widget]

yea

standalones are kinda stated as a game rather than a mod

"MARINE DOOM STANDALONE DEMO" a project i was making back in NOV or DEC 2020

[round granite]

Hi friends, has anyone run Doom rtx with Brutal doom?

[trail steeple]

texture filtering 🤢

[round granite]

however, it looks better than doom remake 4

[trail steeple]

texture filtering on doom sprites does not look good

[haughty flower]

it's a matter of opinion doe

some people think it looks okay but then others can think it looks like horrible

[safe steppe]

Ding dong, you opinion is wrong

Jokes aside, no, texture filtering on the stock doom textures literally makes no sense, it just blurs the textures

[vast citrus]

I think Lost Civ actually uses Serious Sam sprites, heavily downscaled

all that grass...

[trail steeple]

doom sprites with texture filtering look like something you'd see while wearing dirty glasses

[upbeat path]

Fun fact, grass sprites exist outside of serious sam

[remote widget]

Texture filtering reminds me of sunday morning

[crisp dragon]

not pleasant

[remote widget]

nah sunday morning to me isn't pleasant, it reminds me of a laptop overheating from GZDOOM's texture filtering

[vast citrus]

Why are weapon randomizers so common?

Magnum Opus and Stranger both belong to this class of mods, as do T64 and Brutal and its offshoots

[vast citrus]

That's why I prefer Crispy Doom, although I'm on a desktop. And I'm looking for a Crispy compatible monster pack to pair with Lost Civilization.

[upbeat path]

Lost civilization is prboom/gzdoom, why the hell are you playing in crispy

[vast citrus]

even for PRboom it's kinda hard to get a monster pack...

[trail steeple]

he is crazy i guess

[vast citrus]

Texture filtering can get obnoxious, that's it

On GZ, Serious Doom kinda fits Lost Civ, especially the out-of-city portions

[white saddle]

why cant i make a key activated switch

[whole blade]

What format?

[wispy relic]

you can uhh turn off texture filtering in gzdoom you know

[white saddle]

Udb

[whole blade]

That's an editor, not a format

Are you in vanilla, boom, udmf etc

Because vanilla you can't make a keylock for anything other than a door open action

Preetttyyy sure that's the same for boom

Well, you can get around it in boom by making voodoo dolls

[wispy relic]

if you're using UDMF, there are a couple of ways to handle it

[whole blade]

Easiest way is to set the lock field

You can apply that to any action

Works with custom lockdefs too

[white saddle]

Boom

[whole blade]

Yeah you can only make locked doors in boom, unless you set up a voodoo doll that rhen activates something else

[white saddle]

wtf why

[whole blade]

Because that's how the engine works

If you don't like it use a more advanced format

[tender garden]

what is this?

[bright owl]

What is the height limit for steps?

[whole blade]

24 going up for the player

It's more complicated for enemies. The size of their hitbox impacts their ability to travel vertically up and down

Essentially it works out as 24 for monsters, but that cannot be over a horizontal distance less than their hitbox. And because hitboxes don't rotate, you need really wide stairs for angled movement of big monsters

[bright owl]

Okay that’s more than I figured when plotting out my map earlier. Thanks.

[whole blade]

Np

Most step heights are 8 or 16 (those are common texture heights)

[bright owl]

Where is a good place to get textures besides the vanilla Doom textures?

[whole blade]

Realm667

[bright owl]

Okay thanks

[safe steppe]

In boom and doom format, instead of making a key locked switch you instead make a regular switch and place it inside an area only accessible by entering a key locked door

[safe steppe]

I get the premise, but in a lot of situations that's not the best solution

[trail lion]

halloween jokewad

[tender garden]

Thanks

[sick elk]

do i use prboom or gzdoom with sunlust
i think i heard prboom removes the enemy limit
but i wanna play with extreme weapons pack so i have to use gzdoom

[crisp dragon]

If you want to use extreme weapons pack you have to use a zdoom based port

And both remove the enemy limit btw

[sick elk]

ok thanks ill use lzdoom then
i thought it didnt remove enemy limit

[vast citrus]

I'm kinda sad that the angled pistol didn't make it into FreeDOom

[versed palm]

guys

[trail steeple]

🤨

[quick crag]

But why would you use level flipping?

[trail steeple]

good question

[versed palm]

was trying to play grezzo 2 on coop but doomseeker says this to me and I honestly don't know what to do

[trail steeple]

i dunno

try playing it in zandronum or something

[haughty flower]

guys go to voice chat 1

[royal wave]

https://fxtwitter.com/kbeevans/status/1450328439974629380?s=20

[haughty flower]

My first wad

[haughty flower]

where did you download and in what type of file did the game come?

[safe steppe]

I can't exactly tell but this "Grezzo 2" seems to be a total conversion that has it's own executable instead of just being a wad file, you perhaps have to run in without doomseeker, either with the command line or simply running the executable

[haughty flower]

Yes

Grezzo 2

In the game files , there is an executable to play it in multiplayer

[versed palm]

@haughty flower I think I partially solved the issue but I'm not sure about setting up a thing. Would you help me in call eventually?

[haughty flower]

What do you mean by "call"?

[versed palm]

@haughty flower solved everything

[haughty flower]

Good

[wispy relic]

Grezzo 2 😓

it is quite the mod

[haughty flower]

2GB

[sacred pine]

The hell, my old PC had less RAM than that

[haughty flower]

https://youtu.be/3uXs7tQgEXk

[upbeat path]

https://twitter.com/majorarlene/status/1454301433608683520?s=20

SPOOKY//SHANNON 💙 (@majorarlene)

still working on building things I don't hate.
heavy WIP, needs foliage and pretty baubles. but it's getting there.
#doom #doom2 #leveldesign

Twitter · Oct 30, 2021, 4:17 AM

[wispy relic]

love the color choice there

[trail steeple]

[vast citrus]

Does Crispy Doom support autoloading dehacked files?

Apparently DEH in autoload is supported but DEH in WAD isn't

but it's somehow bugged on some levelsets

[vast citrus]

also, why the fleeb does Insane turn prop corpses into lost souls?

[random matrix]

Any mods that add mecha elements?

[vast citrus]

I doubt there are mods that add playable mecha, but Serious Doom adds enemy biomechs

[white saddle]

So basically I can’t make a key switch on boom but I was playing through my map05 in my wad and there was a key switch but I made that map with boom

And now I can’t make key switches ?

[safe steppe]

Maybe you accidentally had UDMF format for that map

key switches just don't exist in boom format

just make a keyed door that leads to a switch

[wispy relic]

You can make remote-locked switches that open doors specifically

It should say something like "You need a red key to activate this object", and it opens all doors of a specific tag

But that's all that vanilla doom/Boom support as far as key switches go

Can't have a locked switch lower a floor, or teleport the player, or anything else

[haughty flower]

https://twitter.com/SkeletronM/status/1454581315932725255

skeletronMK666 (@SkeletronM)

https://t.co/djVbADQWAt

PREPARE YOU'RESELF MORTAL!

Twitter · Oct 30, 2021, 10:49 PM

https://www.moddb.com/mods/ultimate-mortal-kombat-doom/downloads/ultimate-mortal-kombat-doom-v11

[upbeat path]

https://twitter.com/majorarlene/status/1454587706173005824?s=20

SPOOKY//SHANNON 💙 (@majorarlene)

what do you do when you make a janky staircase? you make a silly sector pumpkin.
Tormented. is my submission for the spooky Hellforge #doom #speedmapping Session for Halloween 2021! #leveldesign

Twitter · Oct 30, 2021, 11:15 PM

[bright owl]

Are skull keys and keycards interchangeable? If not, then could they be used together to have more than 3 lock/key sets?

[wispy relic]

In the vanilla doom format, they're considered the same thing
In just about every new map format since then, you have the option to make them separate locks or keep them together like in vanilla

[bright owl]

What format is Doom Builder?

[wispy relic]

Doom Builder lets you choose from a bunch actually

When you choose to make a new map in doombuilder, you should see a drop down list that says "game configuration" like this

[bright owl]

Oh that’s cool. Thanks for the help

[wispy relic]

You can also change this while editing your map, but I would only advise it for moving between similar map formats
(example vanilla Doom -> Boom or vice versa, or from (G)ZDoom "doom in hexen" -> (G)ZDoom UDMF or vice versa)

Things can get dicey if you try to move between one of the older map formats to one of the newer ones

[bright owl]

That sounds liable to cause problems yeah

I was trying to build an outdoor level the other day but the platforms came out all screwy for some reason. Is there some trick to making proper platforms that I don’t know?

[wispy relic]

Which format are you using? The default behavior's a bit different betw them

[bright owl]

The default format

Is a specific format recommended?

[wispy relic]

Honestly the big 3 are just vanilla doom, Boom, and UDMF

so it depends on what you want to do p much

[bright owl]

Is one more straightforward than the others?

[wispy relic]

Vanilla's the simplest
Boom's still pretty simple, but allows you to do some QoL things not supported in Vanilla
UDMF gives you like, total freedom, but it's more complex than the others

[bright owl]

Okay thanks

With those options I think I’ll use Boom

The main issue I ran into when building that level is that the sides of the blocks were way taller than they were supposed to be, so it looked weird and the stairs just didn’t work

[wispy relic]

Hmm

If you can upload your wad, I can take a look at what's going on

[bright owl]

Okay one moment

Here it is.

[wispy relic]

Just wanna make sure I'm looking at this right

[bright owl]

yes that looks like I remember

[wispy relic]

Alright, so this might be a little difficult for me to explain

With doom maps, you're not actually drawing 3D geometry in the level editor

[bright owl]

it's a floor plan. right

[wispy relic]

So you're not constructing this pyramid for example out of like, a bunch of blocks stacked on top of each other or anything

Yeah, exactly

[bright owl]

I figured the problem was ceiling/floor heights but changing them didn't fix it

[wispy relic]

What you've got going on here is a bit of that, and also a bit of an issue with your line flags

If you'd like, I can make some changes to it right quick and let you take a look and see the difference
If you're okay with it, of course

[bright owl]

sure

[bright owl]

my internet is slow so it takes a minute to download and run

[wispy relic]

Gotcha

[bright owl]

you did it. thanks

[wispy relic]

So a few things

1. Most lines that aren't touching the boundary of the map/the "void" don't need middle textures
2. Similarly, most lines don't need the "Impassable" flag. This flag doesn't make just the middle texture block the player/monsters, but the entire height of the line
3. Skies are still limited to the height of the sector. There's a simple workaround to avoid making the farthest walls really tall though

[bright owl]

so I need to put a texture on the low but not mid and leave off "impassable"?

[wispy relic]

That's the largest thing, yep

Middle-textures are 90% of the time only on one-sided lines that touch the boundary of the map
The remaining 10% is mostly when you want to use one of those see-through textures, like bars for a cage

[bright owl]

ok that makes sense. thanks

[haughty flower]

hmmm

[trail steeple]

@junior lance so first,we go here,this is the download page

those are the links that allow you to download the mod,pick the one wich is closest to you and let it download

so now let's drag the .rar file onto the desktop

the file should look like this:

let's unpack it

those are the files that are inside

we are interested in this one right here (my bad,this isn't a .wad file but a .pk3)

now we just drag it over onto gzdoom.exe (or a shortcut if you made one)

then,we pick doom 1 aka ultimate doom

if it works,that means you've done everything correctly

you just have to left-click to turn on the menu with new game and stuff

decided to update one room in my wad,thoughts ?

[median juniper]

ok but if we don't get a nuts 4, santa wont be the only one flying from the roof

[trail steeple]

🤨

[wispy relic]

personal taste thing here, but even though gzdoom/udmf supports it, I avoid using FLATs for line textures

the 64x64 tiling on a wall is unnatural/very noticeable imo

[wispy relic]

largest map I've built yet

[trail steeple]

what's that circle thingy

[trail lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ah39VB-Ows&ab_channel=AudomMoy

[vast citrus]

Does Insane Weapon Pack's dual angled pistol feel kinda awkward to anyone else?

TIL: Maker of the Insane Weapons Patch (and one of the iterations of Aliens TC) worked at Raven

He also helped do the .DEH portion of AHIBL

[wispy relic]

big circle off to the left is an arena
only the green square part is actually traversible, the rest is just for show

[wispy relic]

wippp

[glossy cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shdw1x1mxZg

[glossy cloak]

it looks good

[haughty flower]

dang bro I really like this

[bright owl]

What are the differences between building a level off the Doom 1 WAD and the Doom 2 WAD?

[upbeat path]

https://twitter.com/majorarlene/status/1454961341161168902?s=20

SPOOKY//SHANNON 💙 (@majorarlene)

Deadtech, a project led by @WMcbeard has finally been released! I had the pleasure of mapping for this and really enjoyed the process. Please go check it out! #doom #doom2 #leveldesign
https://t.co/xupNNWyv7q

Twitter · Oct 31, 2021, 11:59 PM

[wispy relic]

Thanks. It's gonna be the next part of a project I've been working on; if you wanna give the rest of the set a shot, I have it up on Doomworld https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/124086-doomwave-name-subject-to-change-project-thread-episode-2-uv-complete-927/

[wispy relic]

The main things:
• Doom 1 expects maps named ExMy, where x is the episode number and y the level number. Doom 2 expects MAPxx for its map names
• As far as normal map features go, Doom 2 supports more stuff than Doom 1 (Fast elevators and doors for example are only in Doom 2)
• Doom 1 and Doom 2 share most textures, but there are a few unique to Doom 1 and several unique to Doom 2
• Doom 1 has different map-specific specials from Doom 2. This is stuff like how killing all Cyberdemons on E2M8 ends the map, or the Dead Simple triggers with Mancubi and Arachnotrons. In Vanilla/limit-removing, these are hard-coded for the specific map slots (not sure if Boom lets you get around them somehow)

Oh right, the largest one for gameplay balance: Doom 2 has more monsters as well as the Super Shotgun. Doom 1 doesn't.

For the most part, I would recommend building off the Doom 2 wad

[bright owl]

That’s what I’ve been doing

Is there a way to use Doom 2 enemies and the SSG in Doom 1?

[wispy relic]

Pretty sure the answer is no

Again, I'm not too familiar with Boom so it may let you pull it off, but in Vanilla/limit removing the answer is for sure no

the Zdoom-based ports are insane in their compatibility so you could do it there with ease

hell, you could even throw in Strife and Hexen stuff if you wanted to

but at that point you're less "working in doom 1" and more "working in Zdoom", if that makes sense

[bright owl]

Yeah that makes sense

I basically want to use the episode format but have Doom 2 assets

Could I import them the same way as custom monsters?

[wispy relic]

Did a little digging around, and I'm 99% sure if you're putting in custom monsters, you're going to be working in ZDoom

[bright owl]

Okay I’ve been running on ZDoom so that should be fine

Thanks for the help

[wispy relic]

You can do 1 of 2 things:
load Doom2.wad as a resource with Doom1.wad as the main wad (potentially less stable)
or you can dump all the monster sprites from Doom 2 and import them (using the SLADE editor) into the same wad with your custom maps (less hassle in the long run)

The only thing is that if you dump the monster sprites and put them in your custom wad, then you can't (legally) distribute it for others to use

hmm

Actually, I've been thinking about this the wrong way

You can just build off of Doom 2 and still use the episode format, instead of worrying about importing resources into Doom 1.
You just need to make a "MAPINFO" entry for your wad (using SLADE), and you can directly define important information about the levels that way

If you want to just use the standard 9-level episode format from Doom 1, I can even go ahead and mock-up the file for you pretty easily, and all you have to do is paste it into your wad using SLADE

(apologies if this is a lot to take in)

[whole blade]

You can put custom monsters in any port but for boom and vanilla you need to use dehacked

[wispy relic]

They support additional monsters?

I thought you were limited to replacements, even with Dehacked

[whole blade]

Technically yes but you can still have a larger bestiary by replacing things like the dead lost soul

[vast citrus]

also, what's the deal with some mods corpse-spawning LS?

Corpses literally playing corresponding death anims and then spawning LS

[bright owl]

Sadistic mappers

A cruel idea along those lines: mod pain elementals to spawn Pinkies or tiny Cacodemons or something

I especially like the mini Cacodemon thing

[trail steeple]

textures,monsters and ssg

[trail steeple]

as Mulder9527 said,you can use SLADE editor to make a MAPINFO file that allows this,and if you need doom 1-exclusive textures,i'm pretty sure there is a texturepack like that on realm667 (i think there is also a fixed version of it somewhere on the web,that fixes an issue with some textures not wanting to work,but i forgot the link to it)

[remote widget]

i'm literally getting stressed at this error, i can't change the offset type in slade

[vast citrus]

I think that Starcraft mod for Doom should have focused on just the Zerg first, going for different factions based on the iwad/megawad in use

For Lost Civ, use various Infested Terrans

[wispy relic]

when you load the map that's throwing you these problems, a list of errors should be in the console
hit tilde and take a screenie of what it says

[remote widget]

well the errors are TallGreenColumn at has no frames

[remote widget]

well i found a reason, i have to sacrifice the other sprites inside it and it kinda worked

[white saddle]

how can i run memento mori

i need to use DOS and i dont know how

i mean it workedbut i dont know what it means by

and yes i own doom II

[safe steppe]

just enter the path where doom2 is installed

If you haven't yet you have to mount a folder from windows to dosbox

that folder should contain the doom2 installation

if you have doom2 on steam you can find the original dos version if you browse local files

[white saddle]

whats a path

and how i copy it

[white saddle]

whats a mount folder

i found out how to copy the path

[fallen panther]

Why dos 🤔

[safe steppe]

I am guessing the mod uses an old dos exe and not a wad file

[fallen panther]

Pretty sure momento Mori works on source ports

Like it wouldn't matter what exe it uses 🤔

[vast citrus]

Is it technically feasible to have a Weekly Brutal Challenge, where Obhack is configured to generate a new megawad every week, built specifically with Brutal Doom in mind?

Centralized Obhack generates the DOom2 style Brutal-optimized megawad that the clients download and run with latest Brutal on top of Doom2

Brutal or Doom Roguelike Arsenal, or... anything of that kind

[trail steeple]

were any PWADs commercially sold ? (no,i am not talking about stuff like D!ZONE)

[haughty flower]

Perdition's Gate and Hell To Pay I think

and maybe Hacx?

[vast citrus]

Hacx wasn't a PWAD sold as a commercial addon - but a properly-licensed game

In fact, with HACX's IWAD being freeware, I consider Hacx to be the legal IWAD / DEH counterpart to the Doom source.

[haughty flower]

ah I see

[remote widget]

I even have HACX installed in my pc running in Chocolate DOOM lol

and this is a worse soil texture i have ever added

[vast citrus]

What's generally considered better: Death Foretold or Embers of Armageddon?

[fallen panther]

I've played both embers is better

Death for tolds progression system especially with how random it is means there's really no consistency to it

The glory kills also can be unresponsive if you accidentally overshoot a target because it doesn't snap onto them like the in the actual doom 2016

The price for making d4t compatible with zandronum

[vast citrus]

there's a DEH-based version, Deh4t

also, Embers seems to break if some custom monster packs are used

[fallen panther]

Which ones because embers is designed with them in mind?

[vast citrus]

T64 Monsters - even the Base version (without loading the Custom ones)

even with ALL of the cool features off, like LFD-style hitscan replacer

IIRC there was another one that also caused EOA to honk out

[trail steeple]

imagine selling level packs that need the base game to be played

thank god only those 2 did this

[white saddle]

yeah i cant find the wad

[haughty flower]

think there were more but I don't know

tho if I must say I would have paid for Perdition's Gate back then, even if I had to have bought Doom 2 as well in order to play PG

[vast citrus]

Imagine M$ buying PG and making it an official DLC

[wispy relic]

do people actually use the automap

[vast citrus]

I had to examine the installers of Perdition to figure out what to load in sourceports and Doom95

basically, those not having access to DOS version needed to use pg-raw-x.wad

[trail steeple]

some people use it

[agile shoal]

Yes, a lot

[white saddle]

sometimes, but I do a ton of I have a computer area map to find secrets

[safe steppe]

There are people who don't use the automap??????

[wispy relic]

Dw, I was just complaining since I didn’t want to clean up its display

but I went ahead and did it anyway

[vast citrus]

I would've organized the DOS archive of D4V very differently

basically, put every mod's main and fix into a subfolder, and weapon DEHs into another

and packed in BOOM instead of using DEH

[shell sentinel]

do i get anything for beating map30 in sunlust without having the slightest idea what am i doing with russiaan overkill on permit to kill dificulty?

(for people who dont know, map30 in sunlust is h a r d, russian overkill, makes you overpowered and gives you cool weapons and permit to kill dificulty you instakill anything and you get instakilled by anything too

[safe steppe]

If you're looking for bragging right you probably have to uvmax it in a non-zdoom port with no extra mods

[shell sentinel]

ok

sadly im so bad at videogames, i cant even beat doom 2 without saving every 5m miliseconds

also thanks for telling me, im stupid

[safe steppe]

also #classic-doom

[sacred pine]

I normally don't

[haughty flower]

who doesn't use the automap I'd like to know

[normal dome]

cooming soon...

[bright owl]

Oh cool

[safe steppe]

This looks promising

[shadow trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/204082693804261376/905351040130502696/unknown.png

base map i made

[vast citrus]

the Woolball series is weird

especially the clever mixing of shareware and preultimate behaviors inside the first game, you need an actual full game to play all 3 episodes

[royal wave]

you need a full copy of the game to play any mod to begin with...?

[vast citrus]

Both Woolball games are free, but the first requires you to own Doom 1

if you just specify Shadow of Wool Ball as an IWAD, you get shareware behavior

however, Zdoom only has full official recognition for Rise of Wool Ball

[royal wave]

Shadow isn't even an iwad to begin with...?

ZDoom doesn't need to hard code support for iwads, it checks the first 4 bytes of a wad to see if it's flagged as one

[vast citrus]

yes it IS flagged as an iwad - and in that form acts as shareware

[royal wave]

I can show you right now it's not

[vast citrus]

to play all 3 episodes, you need Doom 1 - and need to load as PWAD

[vast citrus]

It seems to have the iwad tag in a script

[royal wave]

you're loading it in incorrectly, that's why you're getting different behavior

Don't know how, but it's not an iwad, and loading it in as such gets you unspecified behaviors

[vast citrus]

A PWAD has no IWAD tag and will say "IWAD tag not found" if it's not in a script, DEHfile or the header of WAD

In fact, IPK3/IPKE/IPK7/IPK(?) files for Z-series ports all need to contain the tag in a script or deh

[royal wave]

What dehacked file

That's not a Woolball thing, that's a native Doom thing

[vast citrus]

one of the SCRIPT files

[royal wave]

Scripts don't tell the engine if it's an IWAD or not

Only one thing is guaranteed to tell any Doom engine if it is an IWAD

If the first 4 bytes are iwad, it's an IWAD

the .ipk3/.iwad extension was added to zdoom as a user friendly method to make .pk3 formatted wads to be recognized as standalone

Here's the titlemap script, show me where it's telling the engine that you need the trilogy

[vast citrus]

it gotta be in one of the lower scripts or something.

[royal wave]

Nope

That's the only script that would get loaded on engine launch

[vast citrus]

I'm not even sure how it manages this, but most normal PWADs - even "total" ones - lack at least one of the crucial files to actually be loaded as standalone in addition to lacking the iwad tag

[royal wave]

That's not how wads work

it's literally the first 4 bytes

you're loading the wad incorrectly

[vast citrus]

but most recent GZdoom doesn't seem to check those anymore for some reason

[royal wave]

Yes it does

[vast citrus]

else it would have just thrown the standard "no iwad tag"

[royal wave]

Yes, it does

you can literally use a hex editor and change that P to an I and GZDoom will magically detect it as a standalone

[vast citrus]

instead of the "no iwad tag" or "game mode indetermiante", it goes on until it runs into a resource-not-found error

[royal wave]

What I'm guessing is you used a .ipk3 that lists woolball as a needed wad

Since shadow doesn't have the full 27 levels that GZDoom checks for to make sure you're using the retail version, it defaults to shareware

[vast citrus]

Thatcher is not an IWAD either, yet it does load into some broken state instead of throwing the not-iwad error in GZdoom 4.7.0

[royal wave]

That's not standard behavior

That behavior is on your end. Whatever it is that's causing this is a problem on your machine

[vast citrus]

LZ gives "no iwad found" even when you -iwad thatcher.wad - but once you provide Doom2.wad, it loads

[royal wave]

That confirms it then. The issue lies between keyboard and chair.

[vast citrus]

I just ran those tests on Thatcher to see - yes, GZ has some broken behaviors that LZ doesn't

[whole blade]

You're broken

Not gzdoom

[royal wave]

It's amazing what you can learn when you trust people who know what they're talking about

[vast citrus]

with Thatcher, LZ tells you it's not an IWAD

With Shadow of the Wool Ball, even LZ loads into the "shareware state"

[royal wave]

It's not an IWAD

full stop

[whole blade]

Funny how things break when you don't load them properly

Who would've guessed

[vast citrus]

even funnier is that the author of Wool Ball KNEW that people would try to load incorrectly

[royal wave]

No, they didn't

There's none of this detection you're imagining

Zero. Zilch. Nada. 404 Not Found

[vast citrus]

it just uses the d1 table, which triggers "shareware" if insufficient levels

[royal wave]

it doesn't use any table

I don't know how to make this any more clear to you

This is not how these engines work

and I know you've been shown plenty on other servers that you have a poor understanding of how these engines work

[vast citrus]

The author of that wad, by the time it was completed, however... had a perfect understanding of Zdoom 2.8.1

[royal wave]

What you're doing right now is called "moving the goal post"

or "grasping at straws" more specifically, take your pick between the two, they both apply

[vast citrus]

trying to shape a new goal post out of the straws

[royal wave]

Go ask on the ZDoom forum if you don't believe me.

If anyone has a better understanding of how any Doom engine works, they'd be it

Never mind I've been using zdoom since, well, since I wanna say the 1.8 days

[vast citrus]

and MSPaintR0cks is one of them, one of the more knowledgeable I'd think

[royal wave]

And @whole blade Here who's making his own gzdoom based game

Let's just ignore the fact that we know what we're talking about

[vast citrus]

I'm a zero, and MSPaintR0cks is a German mastermind.

[whole blade]

I'm gonna go with "making shit up"

[royal wave]

Well I was being polite about it

[whole blade]

@vast citrus you're pretty much pushing unfounded conspiracy theories about creators now which will net you an official warning if it happens again

[whole blade]

1K3 LINES IS OUT BAAAABBYYYYYY

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125479-1000-lines-3-community-project-released/

[crisp dragon]

ayyyy

[wispy relic]

getting a glitch where I have this weird hole in the floor while playing on one of my maps (UDMF, GZDoom)

always in this specific spot with these dimensions, but it's a visual glitch only

any ideas what could be causing it?

[whole blade]

That's a node builder void. Run an error check for very short lines, overlapping vertices and overlapping lines.

If it's still there then draw a new sector where it's appearing. It'll be coming off existing vertices so usually you just need to draw a couple of lines

It's gzdoom's version of a slime trail

[bright owl]

So I’m able to walk through the locked doors in the level I’m working on. How do I fix this?

[royal wave]

wdym?

[bright owl]

The texture is there but it’s basically just a fake wall instead of a door

[wispy relic]

You create doors by drawing a slim rectangular sector, and lowering its ceiling to the floor

You'll need to put textures on the upper part of the lines

[bright owl]

Okay that makes sense
Thanks

[wispy relic]

worked; thanks 🅱️

[bright palm]

I’m looking to get into mapping, dose anyone know of a good tutorial that will teach me the basics?

[vast citrus]

SMMU with Doom 4 Vanilla and Doom 64 for Doom 2 (the Doom 2 mod trying to replicate Doom 64 in a vanilla compatible way) seems to be skipping level 1

this happens with both Doom2 and FreeDoom2 (ahem, freed2 per the DOS limits) IWADs

Running D4V on SMMU without a level PWAD results in a crash

[wispy relic]

A few things:

1. Get Ultimate Doombuilder and SLADE 3
2. Check out people like Chubzdoomer and Jaundice Juan’s tutorials on YouTube
3. Open up and reference the Doom and Doom 2 levels when possible. TNT and Plutonia use some more advanced techniques as well, if you purchased them

And ofc, you can always ask for help here

[bright palm]

Thanks! I will definitely be back here soon

[vast citrus]

Toxic, I'd recommend starting with the FreeDoom levels

but both phases of FreeDoom use turret-like trapped guards a bit too liberally

also, turns out that it's the "megawad fixer" that was causing SMMU to skip level 1

but the author of Doom 4 Vanilla isn't here

[trail steeple]

i don't see this as a good point to start

best to take notes from id software themselves via looking at doom 1 & 2 maps

[bright owl]

Same

[trail steeple]

doom 1 maps have suprisingly alot of texture misalignments

[crisp dragon]

Yeah you can see some of em

[haughty flower]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/631684949417787405/905186830817841232/unknown-16.png

THE PIT

[shadow trail]

are those blue things on the pit are spikes?

if yes then thats rad

[haughty flower]

they are spikes, they will kill you. 💀

i've reduced the number of spikes with my latest build because i wanted to allow clearance for the players to fight in a hazardous environment

[crisp dragon]

nice

[shadow trail]

a mortal kombat mod would be awesome

i think there were another mortal kombat wad
which let you play mortal kombat 2 in arcade in doom

[normal dome]

:OOOOOOO

its very brutal

[safe steppe]

This is fucking stupid

You can't just tell a beginner who knows nothing about mapping to "use freedoom" they probably don't even know what that is

[haughty flower]

this^

[vast citrus]

@bright palm FreeDoom (stylized with infinity sign instead of 2 O's) is a set of 3 open-source Doom IWADs

though I question the legality of playing them without owning the corresponding edition, you can learn mapping from those two once you do

such as placing non-flying ranged enemies in a spot that covers more than one part of the level

[whole blade]

Do not use freedoom to make maps if you already have doom 2

[vast citrus]

FreeDoom2's Map 1 perfectly explains this technique, but to a TD player it should be obvious

[whole blade]

Nobody knows, or cares what you are talking about

Stop

[vast citrus]

There are two Imps that attack both the second room and a later part of that same room.

[whole blade]

This isn't your diary where you can muse endlessly about whatever random thoughts are flowing through your head. Go start a blog

[vast citrus]

Generally, Toxic, play some tower defense games and read SLADE's documentation. FD phase 2 just uses a technique borrowed from TD.

[whole blade]

Perfect place to start
https://youtu.be/c4-5d10dCyQ

[safe steppe]

What the hell do TD games have to do with doom

What are these stupid uneducated opinions

Please do not give advice if you have no idea what you're talking about

Toxic, stick to the advice given by Bridgeburner and Mulder

This guy makes no sense at all

[trail steeple]

dude wtf do tower defence games have to do with doom ?

@bright palm,if you are reading this,don't listen to YuraConst,he is making up weird stuff that doesn't even amke sense at all

stick to advice given by Mulder9527,or me or Vulldozer

have some good doom vids:
https://youtu.be/EucWtn__O8Q
https://youtu.be/6arDCzmhONY

i swear,YuraConst has some sort of a sick obsession with freedoom