general

[floral badge]

And ofc

[uncut dagger]

I don’t know what you’re talking about

[floral badge]

Like

[spice brook]

guilty as charged
I didn't bother playing the second half of TNT

[delicate ravine]

Plutonia is the best classic doom wad if you ask me

[floral badge]

I often get 2 cacodemons to fight with alongside a spider mastermind in Doom Eternal.

[delicate ravine]

though I havent played Legacy of Rust yet

I highly recommend playing it if you like the others

[sullen yarrow]

Flaming hot take: I prefer TNT

[west parcel]

What’s the best then?
LoR is great!

[uncut dagger]

That’s the arachnotron, the mechanical brain scorpion

[west parcel]

Flaming hot take I side with you on

[spice brook]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160

[delicate ravine]

What? I think Plutonia is, but I havent played LoR yet

[floral badge]

Man what

[west parcel]

Second half of TNT is the better half imo

Plutonia is peak entirely

[buoyant cosmos]

Awesome expansion, great experience overall

[uncut dagger]

Spider Mastermind is a boss that was only from the first game

[delicate ravine]

this is an arachnotron

[floral badge]

Man...

[buoyant cosmos]

Music is incredible

[sullen yarrow]

Classic DOOM erasure...

[west parcel]

I urge anybody who never completed Final Doom to give it a shot. At least Plutonia.
TNT has some amazing highs, so if you can stick through TNT, it’s worth it

[floral badge]

It's so confusiiiiing

[spice brook]

[floral badge]

By arachnotron I meant spider mastermind mb

[uncut dagger]

What is the arachnotron called in Spanish?

[floral badge]

Uhhhh

[sullen yarrow]

I went through Final DOOM for the first time last year during my marathon of cleaning up every id Software campaign I had left to beat. I regret sleeping on it

[floral badge]

I don't fucking know

I don't check codex, neither the names

[sullen yarrow]

Plutonia was good, but kinda forgettable aside from a few maps I feel. TNT I adored for feeling so much like a DOOM 3 if it was a tighter successor to DOOM II

[uncut dagger]

Well that’s your problem then, you’ve got to learn the demons

[floral badge]

I just go and kill demons

[west parcel]

I think Final Doom in general are the best

Legacy of Rust is great

I think Sigil and Sigil II are underrated and great, but not long enough for me to favor them over others

[sullen yarrow]

I was kind of dissapointed by SIGIL II

[west parcel]

I played them during the lead up to TDA. They’re always a joy, I’ll never get tired of them

Because of them I can play through UV with ease

[delicate ravine]

Sigil 1 is the best doom 1 wad I've played, but it's sort of unofficial

[sullen yarrow]

It felt less unique to me, while the first one actually felt like a brand new reentrance into the classic universe. It felt like what a real look into E5 would be while SIGIL II didn't feel like E6 but just a generic mapset

[west parcel]

It’s semi-official. It’s on official releases now, even on the direct tile screen grouped with Final Doom and Master Levels

[delicate ravine]

hard to talk about the game if you don't know it well

[cunning iris]

At what point would it be official?
Its created by Romero himself and is now included in DOOM rereleases
Atp it's as official as you can get imo

[floral badge]

gang I have to admit I just play doom to quit my anger and kill demons

[delicate ravine]

Being made by Romero doesn't make it official on it's own

it being adopted/incorporated into future releases is what makes me think its somewhat official

[sullen yarrow]

EpicSquid in NuDOOM terms it's like if Hugo left id and made a SnapMap level

[uncut dagger]

Does anyone else want more modded games to have officially made mods by the developers? Like I know we got Graveyard for DOOM Eternal, but it would be awesome to get more

[west parcel]

It’s not really canon, not 100% official, but I think it’s part of the full classic experience

[sullen yarrow]

Official mods? So expansion packs? 😭😭

[uncut dagger]

Kind of, but through the mod center

Like free DLC in the form of a mod

[sullen yarrow]

I lump it into the franchise as a part of it but I can't really say it's part of the core lineup personally

[spice brook]

graveyard is just an officially made map
the actual mod and the associated fights were made by Saleem

[uncut dagger]

When I played it I put on Thronebreaker because it had no music

[delicate ravine]

if Romero made Sigil while being employed by id software, and was released by id, I'd call that an official release rather than a fan creation

[sullen yarrow]

Also yeah SIGIL

[west parcel]

Sigil is not a “must play,” but I’d still say it’s worth the play-through for most people

It’s just kinda hard to go back to after you play Doom II and Final Doom

The lack of enemies and SSG is part of the experience, but it’s just not easy to return to lmao

[dense phoenix]

doom tuah

[sullen yarrow]

I'm used to those things, I replay DOOM 1 a lot

[uncut dagger]

Haut Wood

[delicate ravine]

that's a general problem with Doom 1, but Romero does his best to mitigate them

[rapid cipher]

yo chat can someone lend me a hand? i downloaded doom 2016 and well i do run an old system but im pretty sure it was over the minimum at least so my problem right the game freezes either in the loading screen of when i try to start a campaign or just the loading screen of the game

[delicate ravine]

And I think he does a very good job. Gives you plasma and rockets frequently enough

[scenic ice]

I think he means mods made by official developers, that get added in as actual content later on, like how sigil was a wad, but got added in the latest re-release of doom.

[west parcel]

The level design being part of the gameplay at times makes up for it

[dense phoenix]

prolly gotta lower your settings

[delicate ravine]

Romero wasn't an official developer, though. He used to be, but that's changed now

[rapid cipher]

it literally randomly freezes like i said sometimes i cant even enter the main menu of the game

[uncut dagger]

Actually no I just meant mods made by some of the developers for fun in their spare time

[sullen yarrow]

SIGIL...

[dense phoenix]

gonna have to gamble and hope it doesnt freeze long enough to get you in the settings lol

[sullen yarrow]

They should get someone from Raven to do SIGIL for Heretic tbh

[delicate ravine]

What do you think of that new quake expansion?

[uncut dagger]

I’m unaware of it

[dense phoenix]

either that or you're gonna have to get a refund on it because it sounds literally unplayable

[sullen yarrow]

The Squid has only consumed Champions

[rapid cipher]

[dense phoenix]

make sure you don't have anything else open to save your PCs resources

[delicate ravine]

it's a quake wiki link, it should be fine.

[cunning iris]

Was the Nightdive people behind the new Heretic/Hexen expansions the same group being Legacy of Rust?

[uncut dagger]

Also there were SnapMap missions made by ID devs back in DOOM, that was cool

[floral badge]

Maybe that wiki isn't whitelisted.

[delicate ravine]

Whatever. It's an official expansion made by the guys who make the new Wolfenstein games. They seem to have made it on their own initiative out of passion

[sullen yarrow]

Dimension of the Past? I can hardly call that new, it's a decade old

[delicate ravine]

I think at least some of the level designers are the same

[delicate ravine]

Dimension of the Machine

it's the newest one

[sullen yarrow]

Well I'm sure they got paid for that so idk if I'd call it out of their own initiative. DotP was free

[delicate ravine]

Romero also got paid for Sigil

[sullen yarrow]

Was he paid to make it though

Cuz DotP they also probably got some green for it becoming a part of the remaster. I mean actually making it

[uncut dagger]

Some parryables?

[sullen yarrow]

What

[uncut dagger]

All green

[spice brook]

green, as in money lmao

[sullen yarrow]

😂

What a funny blunder! #fail

[uncut dagger]

As a DOOM fan I only see green as parryable now

Parry that money!

[sullen yarrow]

Using the joy emoji makes you 5 years older it's scientifically proven

[vestal rover]

do you seriously not change the color

[uncut dagger]

Why would I?

[spice brook]

me when I see a traffic light (my brain has been reprogrammed by the marauder's AI to shoot at all green lights with my double barrel shotgun)

[uncut dagger]

I get some people do, but it’s pretty common to play with default

[vestal rover]

i guess im picky lol, i change it to orange or red cuz hell and demons, makes more sense in universe i guess for it to be that color

[plucky tide]

i changed mine to purple

[uncut dagger]

But hellfire is green

[sullen yarrow]

It would be a bit less jarring I suppose yeah

[plucky tide]

a lilac kinda color

[uncut dagger]

Baron of Hell is like the most iconic demon ever, it has green fire

[vestal rover]

okay you got me there

but you know what i mean, the parryable attacks feel a lot more "gamey"

[delicate ravine]

is it?

[sullen yarrow]

Baron of Hell got the green blood bleached man

[vestal rover]

which is fine, it's a game, but yea

[delicate ravine]

not the arch vile? or the imp?

[cunning iris]

Or the cacodemon?

[sullen yarrow]

NuDOOM sux worst video game series ever no green blood

[uncut dagger]

Not necessarily in terms of DOOM, but just in terms of common perception of what a demon looks like

[delicate ravine]

oh, of course

[sullen yarrow]

This I would find the most iconic yeah. Literally the Classic DOOM icon

[vestal rover]

they should've at least made the Barons have green blood, I'm fine with Hell Knights having red blood personally

[spice brook]

on a serious note I really didn't like what they did to the barons in eternal

[vestal rover]

i did ;-;

[spice brook]

same model, just less cool looking

[sullen yarrow]

I think it looks cool but... that's really it...

[sullen yarrow]

Y'all got any consistency? We got hype moments and aura

[uncut dagger]

Like when any common person thinks of a demon, they probably picture a big red monster with horns, goat legs, and green fire

[sullen yarrow]

"Green fire" who invited that one to the team

[vestal rover]

I mean the 2016 one's better no contest yeah but, i like the whole "walking fire and brimestone" thing the Eternal Baron has going on

[sullen yarrow]

They should have never redesigned the Hell Knights in 2016 and Eternal

I won't act like the designs are bad but they had peak going on with DOOM 3. It should've stuck

[uncut dagger]

The hell knights look much better with black bodies and white skull heads

[vestal rover]

I mean the 2016 one is close enough, if anything I actually prefer that one personally. the Eternal Hell Knight is 😬 tho

[uncut dagger]

It is weird that they diverged to evolve eyes though

Or because of The Dark Ages, did the ones with no eyes diverge and the originals had eyes?

[sullen yarrow]

It's weird that they entirely changed the design with DOOM 3, and I know I am going back on my words from literally a few minutes ago, but it's cool so I don't really mind

Seeing the original design back in Sentinel Prime was awesome

[vestal rover]

I mean every demon got a massive redesign in DOOM 3, but the Hell Knight just stuck the most and was easily the most iconic, plus the Hell Knight was literally just a Baron reskin before so it gave it a lot more identity

[cunning iris]

I liked when Hell Knights were just recolored Barons
I get that it was easier and just a matter of saving some space but I liked the dynamic of them just being weaker but slightly more spammable barons and the color reflected that
Granted classic Barons are the best demon design so maybe I'm just biased to see more of them

[uncut dagger]

I want to see a demon phylogenetic tree

[sullen yarrow]

Whatchu talking about man they had different colored shorts in DOOM 64, that makes them stand out so much in the heat of combat!

Seriously though I adore the HK redesign in DOOM 3. It's probably my favorite design in the franchise

[uncut dagger]

It’s just white all though

[sullen yarrow]

So what

[vestal rover]

ur just all white tho

[sullen yarrow]

It's cool

It's also not all white, the face and neck aren't, it feels fleshy

[uncut dagger]

I think having the black body makes it more iconic

[sullen yarrow]

id Software agreed, that cover art is fire

[delicate ravine]

does it?

it's not even white, it's greenish

[vestal rover]

I mean I do like the 2016 design more but 3's got on the poster. That's pretty iconic if you ask me

[sullen yarrow]

It also does get a black body later on in the game

[delicate ravine]

in hell

[uncut dagger]

Is there a Doom 3 poster with the main character in the middle of a demon horde too?

[sullen yarrow]

For the Lost Mission expansion yea but there's only one demon

[delicate ravine]

thats not the kind of game doom 3 is

[cunning iris]

Eh kind of but not really
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920390932384337920/1462500292938563737/MV5BYWFhM2EzZDAtYTgwNC00M2E3LWE2MTUtMzZmYmQ4ZTAxOGNkXkEyXkFqcGc._V1_FMjpg_UX1000_.png?ex=696e6b09&is=696d1989&hm=56368c762f6c342eeb4eb04b2dd68cc05fca563f88b01bf50f27cfbf993b0398&

[uncut dagger]

Is that a mancubus?

[sullen yarrow]

Guardian of Hell

[uncut dagger]

And Isaac Clarke?

[sullen yarrow]

hatred

[cunning iris]

How the hell do you mistake that for Isaac Clark

[sullen yarrow]

The DOOM 2016 cover art has the Halo guy fighting in lasagna world

[uncut dagger]

Hell’s lasagna

[delicate ravine]

Isaac Clarke isnt a Doom protagonist

[vestal rover]

he might as well be

have you seen what the guy can do

[uncut dagger]

The stomping while yelling expletives and getting increasingly angry?

[vestal rover]

yes

and also the Halo jump scene in the second one

[sullen yarrow]

DOOM 3 has really awesome protagonists though
The guy from DOOM 3? Ah, D3guy
RoE? Ah, RoEguy
Lost Mission? Of course, LMguy
Resurrection? Why of course it's Resurrectionguy

Nameless characters FTW

[uncut dagger]

Honestly I’m only slightly familiar with Dead Space from YouTube, for the longest time I thought Isaac Clarke was from Bioshock

[vestal rover]

My favourite line from DOOM3 guy was definitely "..."

[delicate ravine]

Resurrection?

[sullen yarrow]

The mobile game

[uncut dagger]

Does he not speak either? Why?

[sullen yarrow]

Immersion

[west parcel]

Glad I’m not the only one who ignores the D3 novel’s name for the marine

[vestal rover]

isn't it John Kane

[sullen yarrow]

It's so on the nose

[uncut dagger]

Like do they give any reason why he doesn’t speak?

[west parcel]

Yeah but probably not canon

[sullen yarrow]

Kane! Like the guy from Quake 4! Holy shit!

[cunning iris]

My man we've gotta you playing games that aren't DOOM
Expand your horizons a bit

[west parcel]

Cuz most fps games back then just didn’t have the protagonist speak

[uncut dagger]

Check my Steam library

[green summit]

his name isnt d3guy its marine

betruger makes sure you know it very well every 5 minutes

[west parcel]

Even the CoD games had that

[uncut dagger]

Fair enough, I knew that but was just wondering because in modern DOOM there’s a reason

[cunning iris]

Doomguy has always been a bit of a self-insert character until nudoom, so 3 was just continuing on what the original games had

[west parcel]

They worked it into the modern story likely because they were giving a reason for them to continue the classic fps trope of “silent protagonist”

[sullen yarrow]

40 hours on Quake Champions. I won't judge but oh man

It's kinda respectable tbh I'm glad you like the game

Now play Quake 4!

[uncut dagger]

It’s fun

[vestal rover]

and Quake 1 and 2

[sullen yarrow]

Yeah they had to integrate Doomguy somehow

[uncut dagger]

You guys are asking a lot

[sullen yarrow]

And 3

[vestal rover]

they did a good job all things considered, it makes a decent amount of sense

[west parcel]

Why are there 2 Corporal Kanes in the id games 🥀

[sullen yarrow]

3 Rangers

[west parcel]

Another reason for me to disregard the D3 novel name

[uncut dagger]

Why is there an ARC, ARC, and ARK?

[vestal rover]

DOOM and Quake are officially in a shared universe

[west parcel]

That one right there irks me lmao

[sullen yarrow]

no

[west parcel]

Not officially

[vestal rover]

okay in my headcanon then 😔

[uncut dagger]

This one gets it

[west parcel]

Bruh

[sullen yarrow]

Alright EpicSquid you've only played Champions sit down for this one

Let the grownups talk

[uncut dagger]

If you say that they aren’t, that means you don’t want them to be connected

[sullen yarrow]

Yes, I don't

[uncut dagger]

Well the originals for both franchises can stay separate

[west parcel]

I don’t mind them being connected, but they don’t need to be and aren’t for all we know

[green summit]

tbh anytime epic squid talks about anything i feel my braincells being sapped every second

im not even sure why

something about him

[sullen yarrow]

So like every single game is seperate then 😭

[vestal rover]

I ideally wouldn't want them to be either but with the introduction of the Cosmic Realm in TDA, it's got me embracing the idea more

[uncut dagger]

I don’t think that there’s any difference between a hot dog and a cannoli

[sullen yarrow]

Cuz you're clocking out 1, 2, and 3; 4 is connected to 2, so is Wars, and Quake Champions is a non-canon spinoff

(A mid one)

[uncut dagger]

Quake Champions is the first reboot game

[sullen yarrow]

There is no reboot

It has basically nothing to do with any of the other Quakes

[west parcel]

4 is a direct sequel to 2, 3 and QC are non canon, and 2 & 4 are a separate spinoff to 1

[uncut dagger]

New game that is not canon to originals = reboot

[cunning iris]

Huh?

[sullen yarrow]

So there is no DOOM or Wolfenstein reboot

[green summit]

i love how the only quake games to have remotely connected stories are q2 and q4 and even then in q4 you arent even playing as the same guy just some random certified badass

[vestal rover]

unless you go by the MachineGames campaigns

[cunning iris]

Reboot means it's a retelling or redoing, you can have a new game unconnected from old games that isn't a reboot

[west parcel]

Actually they only named Quake 2 “Quake 2” because of the engine. It had no relation to the first one, and the devs knew that there would be confusion. So quake 1 would be the only “canon” one to Doom’s cosmic realm if you try to force it

[dense phoenix]

no thats just called a new game

[sullen yarrow]

From what I remember they named it that cuz money + no ideas for a new name

[cunning iris]

It was because of name recognition yeah

[sullen yarrow]

For Quake III they didn't even try man 😭
Just slap the branding on it

[green summit]

so quake 2 is a reboot

[vestal rover]

It was gonna be "Wor" or smth like that

[cunning iris]

It was supposed to be WAR or something iirc
Lemme check

[uncut dagger]

[sullen yarrow]

Wor, Dimspree is right

[vestal rover]

wor with an o lmao, so edgy old id

[west parcel]

It was to make another game in that engine, and largely this, yes. But it was as meant to be a separate universe. They made a complete different game and just gave it the same title

[west parcel]

Think of it as a Halloween III: Season of the Witch situation

[sullen yarrow]

So sad they censored the Dopefish in the remaster, the modern game industry SUCKS!!!

[west parcel]

Anthology sort of deal where all universes are separate with each installment other than 2&4

[uncut dagger]

Why would they censor a fish?

[vestal rover]

it's okay he's prominently featured in the Cultist Base level in Eternal

[sullen yarrow]

Well the fish was gutted

It was also indirectly insulting John Romero so :p

[dense phoenix]

#WOKE!!!!!!

[sullen yarrow]

I bet this leads to a "guy from Fortnite" situation

[green summit]

it was too dope for the masses to handle

[sullen yarrow]

Ask some people about the Dopefish they'll be like ahhh yeahhh that guy from DOOM Eternal

[uncut dagger]

How awake is it though?

[sullen yarrow]

It is unironically woke simply because it was dead and now it isn't (it awakened)

[uncut dagger]

That’s what I know

[sullen yarrow]

Quake 4 was woke man they wanted to make an expansion called "Awakening"

[green summit]

the dopefish is my favorite ultrakill 5-S fish!

[scenic ice]

"Is that Doom Slayer from fortnite? When did he got his own game."

[sullen yarrow]

Is that Quake, the DOOM game?

[uncut dagger]

The Slayer woke so hard on that UAC table in DOOM

[dense phoenix]

Joe many liberals does it take to change a logbulb 😂 NONE!!! they r too bsy 😂 their gender 😂

[green summit]

doom the dark ages

[gilded gull]

Can someone help me in doom eternal? Please dm me.

[green summit]

no

[vestal rover]

guys tda is woke because the very presence of a woman in my doom game makes me want to commit arson

[uncut dagger]

I think this guy’s a bit brain damaged

[gilded gull]

then dont anwser

[sullen yarrow]

Very mean

[dense phoenix]

no

[gilded gull]

ok

[sullen yarrow]

What the hell lmao

[spice brook]

bruh

[gilded gull]

who?

[cunning iris]

Squid his post was on topic...

[delicate ravine]

what?

[dense phoenix]

deadass what 😭

[round socket]

lmaoo

[spice brook]

holy overreaction batman

[sullen yarrow]

EpicSquid what are you doing buddy

[delicate ravine]

WHAT???

[cunning iris]

He was making fun of the woke joke like everyone was making lmao

[vestal rover]

um

[gilded gull]

can someone help me in doom eternal bruh its abt the platnium

[sullen yarrow]

It's like that meme of teens going "big chungus haha" and then some kid goes "haha yeah big chungus!! :D" and the teens are like GRRR YOU RUINED IT!

[scenic ice]

???

[gilded gull]

[vestal rover]

wtf is happening

[dense phoenix]

if its the battlemode trophies i think theres a channel here for battlemode

[delicate ravine]

Just so the Mods know in future - Squid decided to ping all of you over a woke joke asking you to help BonJoviFan to the door

[gilded gull]

its dead

[carmine gust]

I saw

[gilded gull]

the channels dead

[uncut dagger]

Wasn’t clearly a joke

[dense phoenix]

if not just do the doom eternal channel and youll probably find someone looking for time to kill who can help you

[delicate ravine]

it pretty clearly was a joke

[gilded gull]

its dead

[carmine gust]

Even if it wasn't a joke, that's hardly anything to ping the whole team over

[sullen yarrow]

It was written clumsily with scrambled letters and bad grammar while we were making fun of people who dismiss media as woke...

[dense phoenix]

what do you play on cuz i can help you later tn

[gilded gull]

ps6

[delicate ravine]

he said censoring the dopefish was woke. That doesn't even work

[gilded gull]

I meant 5

my fingers are so big I lwk mispress alot

[uncut dagger]

So what was the dopefish originally from anyways?

[gilded gull]

[dense phoenix]

my name on PS is BonJoviFan__ send me a friend req and i'll help you out if i have time

[sullen yarrow]

Commander Keen

[west parcel]

Commander Keen

[sullen yarrow]

Ha I win

[west parcel]

He was an enemy in the game lmao

[uncut dagger]

Like a cheep cheep?

[sullen yarrow]

Then they put it in Quake and the joke kept rolling

[west parcel]

Pretty much. But larger

[delicate ravine]

he's been featured in a bunch of id games since

[dense phoenix]

on the low though the Battlemode trophies arent even that hard i did them legit and it took me a single weekend to finish them

[carmine gust]

swim, swim, hungry

[delicate ravine]

and referenced in other boomer-y games

[vestal rover]

he's in every id game after Quake as far as im aware

[sullen yarrow]

I like how in the Quake trilogy every Dopefish easter egg features it getting progressively more fucked up and disturbing

[uncut dagger]

I don’t think so, unless it’s hidden very well

[sullen yarrow]

Except that they then RUINED it with the remaster grrrr

[delicate ravine]

you havent played every id game after quake

[dense phoenix]

its an easter egg thats the point

[vestal rover]

it's in 2016, just as one of the demonic rune thingies

[delicate ravine]

sit down

[cunning iris]

Or even Quake itself, only Champions

[uncut dagger]

I’ve only seen it in one of the games out of the several I’ve played

[sullen yarrow]

I think this is the case yeah. Games for id franchises not developed by id don't have them though as far as we know, such as Quake 4

[spice brook]

me when my nightmare difficulty doesn't just turn every enemy into turrets

[delicate ravine]

It's at least in two

[dense phoenix]

nightmare should be borderline unplayable otherwise its woke and for babies

[delicate ravine]

Quake 2 and D2016 or Eternal

[sullen yarrow]

It was unironically stupid to replace the Nightmare difficulty and not add the original as an add-on or something tbh

[vestal rover]

wait do u not like the Quake remasters

[uncut dagger]

You really need to put quotation marks round your words, man

[spice brook]

well ironically, the Quake 1 remaster nightmare difficulty is harder than the OG nightmare

[dense phoenix]

im like 90% sure its in TDA too but im prolly wrong

[sullen yarrow]

No haha I adore them don't take me seriously please :p
I'm just making fun of the fact they decided to - for some reason - censor the Quake II Dopefish

[gilded gull]

can u dm me I lowgeuninely need help cuz I havent played since 2023 and now I suck cheeks and need help with battle Mode Trophies I have other ones, I need: Bloodbath, weapons expert, truce between demons

[spice brook]

can't you just play original quake 1 as a launch option though

[sullen yarrow]

Console

[vestal rover]

oh okay lol, that's bizarre i wonder why they'd do that

[delicate ravine]

most people here don't need them to read it as a haha funny

[sullen yarrow]

I have personally seen footage of the Dopefish in Quake, Quake II, Quake III, DOOM 3, DOOM 2016, Eternal, and TDA. The only one left standing is RAGE, which I am very confident has it due to the fact the game is littered with easter eggs

[green summit]

no you can just directly launch the original quake 1 when pressing play

[dense phoenix]

i promise you its gonna feel a lot better doing them legit, going over the learning curve is actually kinda fun

[uncut dagger]

Really? I need to look back at that then

[sullen yarrow]

Console (not PC)

[green summit]

ohh

[sullen yarrow]

I mean I have a PC with the original version installed but I'd like to play the original Nightmare on console

[gilded gull]

bro its jist I dont wanna kill every demon with 1 weapon only, plus I only get sweats pls bro

[spice brook]

ah

[uncut dagger]

Maybe I remember the dopefish from DOOM or something

[green summit]

im half convinced the reason why they changed nightmare is because they wanted to add nightmare achievements but thought it would be too difficult

[dense phoenix]

man you gotta learn to read sarcasm because there is zero way you're reading some of my messages completley deadass

[sullen yarrow]

I'm pretty sure it's actually the opposite. Everyone was making fun of Nightmare for being easier than Hard :p

[spice brook]

yeah the remastered nightmare is probably 2x harder than the OG

[sullen yarrow]

So they were like, okay, let's have it live up to the legacy of bullshit hardest difficulties

[spice brook]

mostly because the OG nightmare made enemies way too predictable

[sullen yarrow]

And honestly? I'm all for it, I personally love horseshit difficulties

[uncut dagger]

Sorry, it’s just saying something ironically so much without being very clear it’s satire can eventually start to look unironic

[ripe girder]

Certain “jokes” should be avoided, looking at it at a quick glance looks like a bannable offense

[vestal rover]

slaughter maps my beloved

[dense phoenix]

I'm saying woke what

[uncut dagger]

Use it properly

[sullen yarrow]

Though I also personally like playing them because I want to, and not because I have to. Looking at you TNC with that Mein Leben achievement. Pretty much completely killed any interest of mine to play the mode 😭

[ripe girder]

You said woke? Oh that solves everything then perfect

[carmine gust]

Easy bob, easy jovi

[uncut dagger]

Like saying “I’m so woke right now, I’ve never been more alert.”

[carmine gust]

Squid you're not helping

[uncut dagger]

Sorry

[dense phoenix]

the point is im not using it properly 😭 people who call things woke are usually overreacting massively

[ripe girder]

Time to get a ps1

Quake 2 is on it

[sullen yarrow]

Bob lives in an alternate universe where Quake came out on the PSX 🙏

[prime sand]

Hi and Morning Kevin, Squid, Bob, and Bon.

[ripe girder]

Hiya sneaky!

[uncut dagger]

So don’t repeat those things and perpetuate it

[sullen yarrow]

I have a PS1 but I never use it. I'm gonna sell it soon probably. All the id games for it have crazy prices

[dense phoenix]

morning

[cunning iris]

Play Crash Bandicoot on it like god intended

[sullen yarrow]

I did, it was unbearable. Awful controls with terrible save mechanics is no fun!

[vestal rover]

or the old Resident Evils, those are great

[dense phoenix]

rock up the call of duty WAW on the the ps uno

[carmine gust]

I thought you were sorry

[cunning iris]

WHAT

[ripe girder]

I actually found quake 2 at half price books for $5 shoulda grabbed it when i saw it

[sullen yarrow]

I'm kinda split on whether I like Crash Bandicoot nowadays even with the remakes tbh. But the original no

[cunning iris]

Actually nevermind I will let you have your opinion :blissful:

Biased because Crash 1 is my favorite of the og trilogy

[dense phoenix]

i found hitman for the OG xbox at a fleamarket for like 10 CAD im mad at myself for not buying it

[sullen yarrow]

I got my TASM 1 Steam key for that price, now the same type of key is up online for over a grand 😬
If you see something you really like for cheap, buy it. That's what I learned

[ripe girder]

I cant stand platformers where almost every jump needs to be pixel perfect. Im good at platformers but that kinda stuff is so annoying

[placid peak]

G’day fam! hope all doin well

[cunning iris]

Half Price Books is the GOAT
I wonder what the odds are we saw the same thing, that's where I got my copy of Quake 2s PS1 port

[sullen yarrow]

You'd love Rayman 1

[ripe girder]

I played the learning version of rayman

[sullen yarrow]

Peak fiction

[ripe girder]

Imaging platforming + quick maths or reading

[delicate ravine]

I saw a video on it, hilariously pointless game

[ripe girder]

Wait my speaker on my crunchy tv didn’t Say the word properly noooooo wrong route

[sullen yarrow]

I played the English one. Had three of them on PC. Then I realised I really don't want to play baby games

[ripe girder]

But it is a game and teaches you at the same time. If anything we need to bring back more of these kinda games

[sullen yarrow]

It was mindless, like, oh boy, which one of these words describes food? Tasty? Or Sweden? And it was multiple hours of this

[robust gulch]

Whaddup chat.

[cunning iris]

Leapster needs to re enter the console race

[delicate ravine]

make it good though

[ripe girder]

We really shouldnt be having kids playing Fortnite or cod when they cant even read half the menus

[delicate ravine]

Kids don't learn if you force them or bore them while doing so

[sullen yarrow]

Hey I learned to read when I was 4 (which is remarkable from what I know) because I really wanted to read what Rayman 2 tries to tell me

[ripe girder]

Kids also get broken easy when you give them tablets and give them no attention spans or give them all this crazy visually stimulating stuff

[uncut dagger]

DOOM is great because it encourages you to read the codexes, especially the demon entries

[delicate ravine]

does it?

[robust gulch]

Reading for Rayman... sweet.

[cunning iris]

I have a feeling handing a kid learning to read DOOM codexes may mess with their vocabulary just a bit

[ripe girder]

Yeah I wouldn’t exactly be recommending doom either. Its also pretty highly stimulating they dont need that

[uncut dagger]

You have to know your enemy

[delicate ravine]

if anything the codexes are a very distinct thing from the actual game

[spice brook]

[dense phoenix]

keep kids on call of duty so i can camo grind my guns easier

[delicate ravine]

But I do know them. They die when I shoot them

[sullen yarrow]

I hate reading (like a toddler), and DOOM Eternal giving me 500 codexes in one level with all of them having like two million incompherensible words definitely did not help

[vestal rover]

i read a lot as a kid because i liked learning about dinosaurs

[cunning iris]

Kids should be given copies of Dragon Quest games so they all grow up talking old english
No real reason other than it'd be really funny

[delicate ravine]

Doom is famous for not needing people to read when playing

[sullen yarrow]

A story in a game...

[uncut dagger]

The enemy codexes are always great and interesting though

[delicate ravine]

like story in prawn

[west parcel]

Don’t you finish that. Don’t you do it

[dense phoenix]

also famous for having complicated ass game loops

[ripe girder]

Reminds me of this parent who isntead of “look” always said “behold” so their kid says “behold” when they want to show something

[prime sand]

What are you?
Some type of Dinosaur Heretic??

[delicate ravine]

they can be the best writing ever made, but it's still not in a game well suited to it

[uncut dagger]

One of my favorite parts of DOOM is seeing all the different demon types

[vestal rover]

reading has always been a thing in DOOM tho hasn't it? I mean there's the manuals, the text screens at the end of each episode, DOOM 3's PDAs

[cunning iris]

Possible yes but never necessary

[sullen yarrow]

The first two are entirely skippable

[west parcel]

Nah he’s more of a Dinosaur Hexen

[cunning iris]

Except maybe DOOM 3 for its cabinet code stuff

[robust gulch]

I'm into that.
It'd be funny to just have casual conversation with a kid and he (or she) just spits out words that haven't existed in the English vocabulary for centuries.

[cunning iris]

You get it

[plucky tide]

hola

[delicate ravine]

Not everyone read manuals, even back when they were popular. The text screens are bare minimum examples of plot in games

[dense phoenix]

my favourite thing about doom is getting into that rhythm and just tearing shit up on autopilot

[sullen yarrow]

Five Nights at Freddy's revived a dead function of the English language iirc

[vestal rover]

I wish i got this but I've only played the first half of Heretic

[delicate ravine]

Doom 3 is the zenith for actually having to read, but even thats not really necessary

[west parcel]

You gotta scour the PDA’s and read all sorts of stuff just to do the cabinets anyways

[plucky tide]

heretic is peak, better than quake imo

[uncut dagger]

Cyphers?

[ripe girder]

I love pdas. Esepcialy when at the very end its like
“Damn, good thing i left my shotgun ammo in locker 3 with code 537 so i dont forget.”

After they spent 3 minutes talking about how afraid they were or saw weird experiments

[sullen yarrow]

No 😭
The -le prefix

[prime sand]

Hi Juna!

[delicate ravine]

it doesn't sound quite natural, does it?

[plucky tide]

i’m gonna try to play heretic in a bit but i am watching Bones atm

[dense phoenix]

scott cawthon also didnt write pretty much anything for FNaF other than the first game e just took the theories and ran with it

[cunning iris]

The PDAs rule because it shows you just how inevitable all this was
There's one PDA where someone is complaining about how incompetent their two subordinates are and say "I changed the locker codes to 123 so hopefully they actually remember them this time"

[delicate ravine]

surely someone would keep it unlocked if they're paranoid

[robust gulch]

The PDAs might be some of the most useful things in Doom 3. I get cool codes for cool stuff, learn lore, etc.

[sullen yarrow]

Funny you say this now cuz the -le prefix revival is because of a fan suggesting the Freddle name

[ripe girder]

Yee i love them

[vestal rover]

i feel like this only the case for 4 onwards. there was kind of a plan with 2 and 3, like a little bit

[dense phoenix]

dude my parents love bones id be up in my room at like 5 years old playing with my lightning mcqueen car and hear the bones intro like seven times in a night

[sullen yarrow]

Like with DOOM though, I really don't care for the story too much aside from the super hyper important stuff. I'm here to have fun

[vestal rover]

i care too much about it honestly, I kind of hate how much i care about it lol

[ripe girder]

A game with both great gameplay and a great story always makes me feel empty at the end because i know that the insanely amazing ride is over.

[sullen yarrow]

Get ready for that with TNO

[uncut dagger]

I get that there are very many codexes and I seldom read most of them, but I find it fun to learn about the different demons though

[cunning iris]

DOOM having a story works when it's like 3 where it's mostly stuff you have to piece together yourself through the likes of pdas and cutscenes are incredibly brief and are mostly to just point you where to go next

[sullen yarrow]

One of my favorite games ever is a Telltale game that will never get a sequel cuz it's licensed, and had overwhelmingly negative reception. And it sucks cuz the plot is genuinely phenomenal and it's super easy to connect with the characters. The main story arc is over but it was clearly designed for a second season

[ripe girder]

Man you keep hyping it so much i need to finish 2016 asap so i can get to it sooner

[uncut dagger]

Every FPS game should have an enemy codex/gallery

[sullen yarrow]

I loaded it up on Uber last night, played through it all in one day. The most fun gaming experience I have had in a loooong time

[ripe girder]

I think it’s downloaded on my steamdeck imma recheck

[sullen yarrow]

Do let me know when you get to it though, I'm very curious to hear your thoughts as a TOB enjoyer

[ripe girder]

Aha its not downloaded, time to do so

[vestal rover]

it worked in 2016 and mostly Eternal (emphasis on mostly), TDA is kind of where it's like "okay this is a bit too much now"

[robust gulch]

You know an FPS game I really like thanks to both gameplay and story? Dusk. A truly amazing Szymanski work of art, at least in my opinion.

[sullen yarrow]

There's quite a few TNO lovers in this server. Only seen one person dislike it and they've from what I know barely played it, so...

[dense phoenix]

i actually really liked TDA trying a story

[proven sigil]

Hello, Excuse me. Do you find hard the Dragon from Dissolution of Eternity?

[sullen yarrow]

I did too, and I think it worked

[sullen yarrow]

Nope, I just unloaded everything on it and won first try

[ripe girder]

Downloading now and about to Continue my 2016 playthrough

[dense phoenix]

im actually a pretty huge fan of the doom story to the point im writing an extension on eternal for gits and shiggles

[sullen yarrow]

What level are you on?

[proven sigil]

I finished DoE today and found it very hard.

[robust gulch]

Dusk happens to be more vague than the likes of Doom particularly because there isn't a codex to learn about everything going on but as you play the game, you get to piece together something great.

[ripe girder]

Uh

I killed cyberdemon

[uncut dagger]

You (carefully) removed the Argent accumulator?

[dense phoenix]

another good story is The Forest by itself without the sequels

[vestal rover]

I just wish I could latch onto the characters more, and I'm not big on the very "Marvel-esc" tone it has, those are my main gripes with the story. The stuff with Doomguy is all great, the Kreed's pretty cool, and the cutscenes are impressive from a technical perspective

[robust gulch]

I agree.

[sullen yarrow]

Titan's Realm then

[dense phoenix]

a lot of The Forest is something you piece together with environmental storytelling its amazing

[sullen yarrow]

TAG 2 was more Marvel imo. The Immora opening cutscene is absolutely terrible I will NOT let anyone convince me otherwise

[uncut dagger]

TDA is nothing like Marvel, it has its own sense of humor

[ripe girder]

I also am not going to not use the bfg like i usually so so it shoudl go faster

[dense phoenix]

it was so hypebait and i fell for it it felt amazing

[proven sigil]

Oh. I tried multiple times and got killed multiple time by the f##*ing lighting breath.

[vestal rover]

okay im a massive hypocrite I love that part in TAG2 lmao

[robust gulch]

Very carefully.

[sullen yarrow]

I like the fact the Sentinels are back to fight but I hate how Endgamey it feels

[uncut dagger]

Immora and it’s cutscenes were great, really paved the way for The Dark Ages

[dense phoenix]

tbf it is doom eternals endgame

[sullen yarrow]

Well have fun and don't rush yourself. Though I would speedrun the fuck out of the rest of the game if TNO was at the other end heh :p

[sullen yarrow]

I don't mean Endgame as in the end of the game I mean Endgame as in Avengers 4

[dense phoenix]

yeah ik

[vestal rover]

yeah the Endgame inspiration is what I DON'T like about it, but the story context is still cool. It's just the presentation (also humanity should've been there as well like seriously, bothers me so much it's only the Sentinels comin to help)

[sullen yarrow]

Inspiration is taking it lightly it's basically the exact same format

[uncut dagger]

I think the ARC was pretty toast at that point

[dense phoenix]

what would humanity do bru there was like 3 billion confirmed casualties on earth

[sullen yarrow]

Hero about to face army on his own, looks around, allied army arrives, dramatic camera panning around them, pans to the opposing force's commander looking at the hero and then the camera pans around the opposing force's army

[vestal rover]

it'd be COOL tho 😭

[proven sigil]

Which difficulty you choosed?

[sullen yarrow]

Normal

[uncut dagger]

Terror Billy

[dense phoenix]

honestly it wouldve been soooo much more hype if the slayer himself was alone the whole time going into it

[proven sigil]

Oh, i did on Nightmare.

[sullen yarrow]

That is impressive

[sullen yarrow]

I thought you didn't like Wolfenstein

[vestal rover]

i would've been okay with that as well tbf

[uncut dagger]

I know some things

[sullen yarrow]

Ominous...

[proven sigil]

Very tedious, tho.

Got killed in two hits.

[ripe girder]

Ah dont worry i know 2016 like the back of my hand this shouldn’t take much longer, i no hit the cyberdemon and wasnt even trying to that was cool

[uncut dagger]

I’m about to know a whole lot more very soon…

[sullen yarrow]

You finally gonna play them?

[ripe girder]

Im on the necropolis

[sullen yarrow]

Well like I said once you get to TNO let me know, I'm dying to hear your thoughts

[vestal rover]

best level

[uncut dagger]

No I was just making a vaguely ominous statement that didn’t mean anything

[ripe girder]

Switch 2 doom 2016 loading my beloved

It was like 1 minute loading on switch 1

[dense phoenix]

have fun with that small ass room where they drop like twenty pinkies on your ass

[spice brook]

https://tenor.com/view/green-whats-your-problem-tense1983-rage-angry-gif-14541377

[ripe girder]

Jokes on you i love pinkies

[dense phoenix]

actual torture i had to turn the game off and deal with the pinkies later they piss me off in 2016 to no end

[sullen yarrow]

I like the weird kebab pinky from D3

[uncut dagger]

If you didn’t read the codexes, you wouldn’t know that pinkies have a back weak spot

[vestal rover]

i like everything about doom 3

[sullen yarrow]

Or you can just use your eyes

[dense phoenix]

no thats something you can figure out by looking at the pinkies

[sullen yarrow]

They have no armor plating on their ass

[uncut dagger]

That’s harder for some people than you might think, from what I’ve seen on YouTube

[dense phoenix]

they look like a rock from the front and then look like hairless cats from the back

[uncut dagger]

Markiplier didn’t even know about that until one of his later episodes from a comment

[vestal rover]

it's just harder to get behind them in 2016 because there's no dash or meathook

[sullen yarrow]

I like Markiplier

[uncut dagger]

Me too

[dense phoenix]

thats why they piss me off so bad in 2016

[sullen yarrow]

The recent allegations about him cheating 10/20 are fun to look into cuz one hand yeah that's kinda bad but on the other come on it's Markiplier who cares

[uncut dagger]

To be fair I didn’t realize that the mancubus also had weak spots and the armored spots were indicated by purple when shot at

[vestal rover]

pink moustache man funny!!

[dense phoenix]

if theres more than three pinkies in the room may the lord have mercy on your soul they will do whatever they want to you

in 2016

[spice brook]

(stun bomb)

[vestal rover]

it's even worse when they're spectres cuz you can't fucking see them with how dark 2016 can be sometimes

[dense phoenix]

i lowk can be fucked to use the other grenades its too much for my dumbass

use frags only like the way god intended

[spice brook]

specters are actually better because you don't have to bother flanking them

[uncut dagger]

Grenades are always super easy to forget, probably why they were removed in The Dark Ages

[sullen yarrow]

That can't be right

[spice brook]

that's almost assuredly not the reason why they were removed lol

[dense phoenix]

in eternal i find myself using frags and ice bombs a wholee lot

UN is almost unplayable without ice bombs lmao

[vestal rover]

true but still i feel like I get screwed over by them more for some reason. At least I know when a Pinky killed me, don't even see the Spectre coming half the time

[uncut dagger]

Remember spectre whiplashes?

[sullen yarrow]

Spectre Cacodemon

[dense phoenix]

Spectre IOS

[uncut dagger]

Spectre lost souls

[sullen yarrow]

Guys come on the Spectre Caco is real

[vestal rover]

Spectre Arch-Vile in TDA DLC please

[west parcel]

Spectre Vagary when

[spice brook]

you mean destroyer blade bait?

[sullen yarrow]

Imagine only appearing once with one singular species in one singular port, in a cage

[dense phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/nba-gif-15687325833433865178

[uncut dagger]

A spectre archvile that only summons spectre lost souls and super heavies

[sullen yarrow]

The one from DOOM 3 sure that'd be cool
TDA? Hatred.

[vestal rover]

i mean it'd stop people saying TDA is piss easy is all im sayin lol

[cedar galleon]

Class SpectreCaco : Cacodemon {
Default {
+SHADOW
RenderStyle "OptFuzzy";
Alpha 0.5;
}
}

[dense phoenix]

the Vagary in TDA is actual cancer i hate that thing so much

[west parcel]

A spectre Archvile that summons only spectre demon variants would be insane. Master levels incoming

[sullen yarrow]

PSX porting team BTS

[uncut dagger]

“Why is this house-sized spot so hard to move through?”

[lament comet]

insane in an insane way

[spice brook]

low vis enemy AI are kinda lame tbh

[dense phoenix]

insane in a sane way

[vestal rover]

doomguy would look so schizo from a far

[west parcel]

Literally a giant invisible wall lmao

[sullen yarrow]

Love the DOOM 3 callback and gargantuan size but it is kinda ass to fight sometimes

[west parcel]

Novik to Thira: “you still sure we should trust this guy?”

[spice brook]

I would much rather they make the actual AI visible, but just give them some other feature that wouldn't allow us to lock on to them

[delicate ravine]

maybe just look

[uncut dagger]

Vagary is one of the best demon designs, but there are a lot of best demon designs in DOOM

[sullen yarrow]

Like half of DOOM 3

[dense phoenix]

"man TDA is so ass for platforming theres so many giant invisible walls in the middle of this huge wide open arena for no reason"

[delicate ravine]

The enemy is designed well enough that you don't need the codex to tell you about it's weak spot mate

[lament comet]

the tutorial that pops up:

[delicate ravine]

It charges at you, you dodge out of the way, look back at it, oh, it's backside looks a lot more vulnerable

[uncut dagger]

Still a form of reading

[dense phoenix]

yeah but not the codex

[delicate ravine]

how old are you?

[dense phoenix]

six or seven

[sullen yarrow]

This is what we call "moving the goalpost"

[vestal rover]

no

not here, please lord no

[west parcel]

Hugo: “this one goes out to all of you speedrunners out there”

[uncut dagger]

I don’t know why you even decided to bring back up a conversation from earlier, I guess RulesMcGee couldn’t pass up an opportunity to argue

[dense phoenix]

buffalo bills fan

[spice brook]

alr, exaggeration
vagary was sick, hell knight was peak, pinkies were cool, bruisers are horrifying, and the guardians are pretty neat

[delicate ravine]

I did that thing you really like doing, and I read

[ripe girder]

Funny enough i dont use the ssg in 2016

[delicate ravine]

The chat was behind for me, I saw you saying something stupid, so I responded

[sullen yarrow]

Trites? Caco? Maledict? Revenant? Lost Souls (both of them)?

[dense phoenix]

Doom 3 is hit or miss on demon designs because some of them are hot ass and some are so peak i perfer them over modern designs

[sullen yarrow]

I can go on and on

[west parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-star-lord-what-star-lord-guardians-of-the-galaxy-gif-6911285182995978918

[vestal rover]

this might be a hot-take, but I think 2016 shouldn't have even had a SSG

[delicate ravine]

whaaaat?

[uncut dagger]

If it’s stupid then why do many people I’ve seen on their first playthrough not notice the pinky weakness?

[dense phoenix]

scolding hot take because im an SSG crutch to the end

[delicate ravine]

because some people are stupid

[marble pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

[ripe girder]

It doesnt feel as good to use as say the shotguns grenade launcher especially on impact. And the gauss and rpg do more than well enough as well. Likewise mobile turret shreds so much from far away.

[spice brook]

revenant? hell nah
caco looks wack
trites are just weird ass spiders
and lost souls are just there

doom 3 revenants look ridiculous

[delicate ravine]

if you dont notice the massive weakness on their back after dodging their charge, that's a problem with you, not the game

[sullen yarrow]

Katsu is cooking but I ain't eating

[vestal rover]

i mean i still love the 2016 ssg, but at the same time, it'd make the game a lot harder for it to just not be there, AND i mean like.. doom 1 didn't have it, 2016 is kind of the modern doom 1

[west parcel]

It’s a shame that Mobile Turret was so amazing on 2016 but was inferior in Eternal

[uncut dagger]

I never said it was a problem with the game, I love the game

[robust gulch]

I find it very hard to take a Doom 3 Revenant seriously whenever I encounter one.

[dense phoenix]

well yeah but some people are stupid and its their problem not the games if they dont notice it

[delicate ravine]

moving the goalposts again, rather than actually responding to what I'm saying

[spice brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1389644177762947115/1462516270221099224/latest.png?ex=696e79eb&is=696d286b&hm=b5de67b29a2b332342c362360391482b1251c1834fb2e01e3bbcf5ee1745c275
you cannot tell me that this doesn't look like a guy in a skeleton costume

[dense phoenix]

arguing that youtubers didnt notice the weakness before reading is THEIR problem not dooms

[sullen yarrow]

It looks like a skeleton in a guy costume

[ripe girder]

It visually sounds worst and looks worse, but i find in terms of damage is pretty on par

[delicate ravine]

looks like a skeleton in a transparent Guy™ costume

[vestal rover]

it's definitely the weakest of DOOM 3's designs

[sullen yarrow]

I know the weird transparent stuff is, well, weird, but I like it. Demon biology is bizarre

[spice brook]

his whole body looks like he's wearing one of those cheap halloween costumes with the bones painted on 😭

[uncut dagger]

Absolutely true, my point was that those YouTubers didn’t pay attention to the game and read the codexes

[vestal rover]

but I still like it enough

[dense phoenix]

yeah im not a fan of the glass frog look

[delicate ravine]

you may have said it first by I trademarked it, so suck it

[sullen yarrow]

You guys are all crazy (you are actually kinda right)

[west parcel]

In terms of usage, it’s not optimal when it comes to enemy weaknesses/weakpoints. Other than the Doom Hunter’s sled

[delicate ravine]

and my point is that you do not need to read the damn codex to see the massive weak spot on its back

[dense phoenix]

and my point is they should notice the giant fleshy hairless cat ass behind the pinkies armour before having to read

[robust gulch]

No because you trademarked Transparent Guy, not just Guy.

[delicate ravine]

the back that you will see after dodging it's charge attack, how this is so difficult to understand?

[cunning iris]

I like the translucent skin idea DOOM 3 had for the revenant, makes sense why a skeleton is able to move about freely

[sullen yarrow]

See

[uncut dagger]

Sure, valid point, but you don’t need to say that what I said was stupid, SaltyMcGee

[sullen yarrow]

boom. roasted

[ripe girder]

Oh sweet I forgot I get it fight the guardians in this level

[vestal rover]

I didn't say it was bad, just that it's the weakest DOOM 3 design

[west parcel]

Underrated af boss fight

[dense phoenix]

when did anyone call you stupid

[ripe girder]

Love them especially visually

[delicate ravine]

I thought you were all about proper usage of words, mister. How this this salty?

[spice brook]

probably the most underwhelming track in the entire game though

[sullen yarrow]

I can name a lot of DOOM 3 designs that are peak, but even if my prediction of half of them being peak isn't right, come on guys, look at the Hell Knight, this shit is gas, it's peak enough for the entire game

[sullen yarrow]

Damn man you weren't kidding you really are blazing through it

[delicate ravine]

I said something he said was stupid

there's a difference

[uncut dagger]

Hell guards are a really well designed and fun boss fight

[ripe girder]

Ironically they also attack more often than davoth ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[west parcel]

I think that can likely be attributed to it being one of the earliest- made tracks

[robust gulch]

Now that you guys mention it, I think I should replay 3. Great game.

[sullen yarrow]

Based alert

[spice brook]

the hell knight actually looks so much better than pretty much every other demon it's insane

[sullen yarrow]

Hey now the Imp is also great

[uncut dagger]

The second phase music of Hell guards is pretty great because it’s chaotic like the fight

[vestal rover]

DOOM 3's got it's own style for its demons, I really like them all personally. I just wish the game used them more

[ripe girder]

I was going to replay 3 after 2016 but someone convinced me to do tno

[dense phoenix]

im not a fan of the cyborg designs in 3

[sullen yarrow]

Wonder who that was

[ripe girder]

Plus TNO is. A backlog game so that actually works out i wanted to do more backlog

[dense phoenix]

the mancubus doesnt look appealing imo

[spice brook]

ehhhh

[ripe girder]

2016 has my favorite mancubus deisgn

[sullen yarrow]

Boy don't you ehh the Imp design it's amazing

[robust gulch]

I remember I used to play 3 by myself in the middle of the night when it was dark and quiet.

[west parcel]

It’s really weird as an imp, but I do like the design. It feels very spider-like and I love that

[split rapids]

Yo guys someone use delta touch?

[sullen yarrow]

I love the lanky appearance

[obtuse canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/resident-evil-4-re4-mendes-mendez-chief-gif-24285707

its important that you dont slander the doom 3 imp

[delicate ravine]

I gave up trying to clear my backlog a year ago, when I started mainlining the Cacowards

[split rapids]

Yo guys someone use delta touch?

[west parcel]

I think the Bruiser in RoE was too goofy

[dense phoenix]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/978083166239744081/1309658896255942666/carfly.gif

[spice brook]

that's the problem with shit in doom 3
everything looks like a goddamn spider

[split rapids]

Idk to use delta touch if somebody know

[obtuse canopy]

doomguy road rage

[ripe girder]

I still. Think guardians is my favorite doom boss out there

[dense phoenix]

i hate spiders so it makes me uncomfortable

[west parcel]

That whole game is an Arachnophobic nightmare

[split rapids]

someone can answer me guys?

[dense phoenix]

sometimes there'll be spiders in my bathroom and I'll get in touch with my indigenous ancestors by using my mop like a spear

[spice brook]

I have no idea what delta touch even is lmao

sorry

[robust gulch]

Spider influence is so easily noticeable in that game.

[sullen yarrow]

I would say I have light trypophobia and the DOOM 3 Imp's eyes are really fucked up

[split rapids]

it's doom game

[vestal rover]

You gotta admit tho it does stand out. Not a single demon in the franchise like it

[west parcel]

Nobody played that I don’t think

[split rapids]

like doom 64

[delicate ravine]

It looks like no one can

[dense phoenix]

yeah ive never heard of it

[delicate ravine]

thats why no one's answering

[spice brook]

yeah, never heard of it

[sullen yarrow]

It's a DOOM source port emulator for mobile iirc

[robust gulch]

I don't believe I've ever heard of it.

[west parcel]

I still can’t explain the mouths. Like what’s the story behind that? It’s insane and out of place almost lmao

[ripe girder]

Finished that level

[delicate ravine]

I had an interest in it, until I found out that it costs money

[split rapids]

I put it a photo

[delicate ravine]

no thanks

[west parcel]

Now you’re onto one of the best levels. Love VEGA Central Processing

[vestal rover]

who cares, it looks cool!! gives me Silent Hill vibes as well

[ripe girder]

Vega processing is probbaly the one i replayed the most

[split rapids]

In screenshot

[ripe girder]

One of if not the only level actually made for a maxed out 2016 slayer

[sullen yarrow]

I love the music

[west parcel]

Same. It’s great to load in for a short and sweet high-combat level

[vestal rover]

good luck on that last arena

[robust gulch]

Loved that level.

[ripe girder]

Eh i was gunna stop for now but screw it might as well do it

[ripe girder]

Last arena is the good stuff

[west parcel]

I love how the mission has multiple moments where you can take alternate paths

[uncut dagger]

I miss how many powerups, especially berserk you would get in DOOM

[vestal rover]

that's like the only time where 2016 reaches Eternal levels of unhinged chaos

[ripe girder]

I forgot I could record clips of 2016 but i need the nintendo app to upload

Meh not today then

[sullen yarrow]

They should add a powerdown to NuDOOM to keep the classic tradition going

[uncut dagger]

What is that?

[delicate ravine]

please no

that thing sucks once you get to know the game

[ripe girder]

TNO has downloaded

[sullen yarrow]

Peak has arrived

[uncut dagger]

Does it turn you into playing Doom 3?

[sullen yarrow]

Very funny EpicSquid. What's your playtime

[uncut dagger]

Well no one told me what it actually was

[obtuse canopy]

play NOW

[vestal rover]

it's a pickup that makes you partially invisible

[obtuse canopy]

NOW

[sullen yarrow]

Let the guy wrap up 2016 dang

[vestal rover]

basically enemies have less accuracy when throwing shit at you

[obtuse canopy]

speedrun 2016 and start playing tno

[uncut dagger]

That sounds mildly helpful

[obtuse canopy]

immediately

[sullen yarrow]

If there was an item that makes you play DOOM 3 it would be a powerup⁴

[ripe girder]

I will likely start it tomorrow assuming i finish 2016 today

[uncut dagger]

Wrong

[sullen yarrow]

What's your playtime on DOOM 3

[vestal rover]

which sounds good on paper, but after you get good at the game, it starts becoming a detriment because you learn their attacks better and the pickup adds this layer of unpredictability to their attack patterns which isn't fun

[delicate ravine]

well said

The only enemies it is still good against are hitscanners since you cant dodge them at all

[uncut dagger]

I honestly don’t know because it was on GOG, but probably around 20 minutes. Point is that no matter what your opinion is on the game, Doom 3 is clearly more limiting

[sullen yarrow]

Why am I not surprised

[delicate ravine]

you played it for 20 minutes??

my guy, that's nothing

[sullen yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/stay-out-walter-territory-gif-26611115

[uncut dagger]

Maybe because I said that here before recently?

[vestal rover]

you barely played it dude

[sullen yarrow]

You keep your DOOM 3 hate in the DOOM 3 hate convos

[delicate ravine]

why, were the graphics too ugly or some crap?

[sullen yarrow]

I was not there to see it

[sullen yarrow]

No music 🥀

[uncut dagger]

No graphics were fine, it was gameplay

[ripe girder]

Visually its still a quite stunning game they made the lighting perfect

[delicate ravine]

you played for 20 bloody minutes

[vestal rover]

DOOM 3 is fucking beautiful

[delicate ravine]

you didn't get to the gameplay

[ripe girder]

You can quickswap in doom 3 and sprint fast

[sullen yarrow]

I can't believe they ripped off Chemistry Club

[uncut dagger]

DOOM should hook you in the first 5 minutes

[cunning iris]

With the exception of the human models DOOM 3 still looks insanely good

[delicate ravine]

no it should not

[uncut dagger]

Hey you remembered!

[delicate ravine]

Doom isn't beholden to whatever weird takes you have on videogames

[sullen yarrow]

I wish I didn't

[cunning iris]

That's Not The Kind Of Game DOOM 3 Is
(Most used phrase I have a feeling)

[ripe girder]

You know what I love to do in this level? I rush all the coolants and destroy them ignoring enemies so i get every possible enemy nonstop for one super wave

[uncut dagger]

Yeah, I don’t mind if you forget that one

[sullen yarrow]

I never really got this either tbh for a 2004 game it looks really good

[floral badge]

Graphics are ugly imo

But lights are good

man it's my opinion @sullen yarrow 😭

[delicate ravine]

I referenced the graphics because he seems to be a stickler for those. I told him to play Dusk but he said it looked bad

[sullen yarrow]

And it's breaking my heart

[uncut dagger]

It was a bit too dark though

[cunning iris]

THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT

[delicate ravine]

that's the point

[uncut dagger]

I know

[vestal rover]

oh my god

[delicate ravine]

holy shit

[uncut dagger]

Doesn’t make it good

[delicate ravine]

doesn't make your opinions worth anything

[sullen yarrow]

No heavy metal this game SUCKS where's my glory kills sucka

[uncut dagger]

Like I said, the graphics are fine

[delicate ravine]

if you've played 20 minutes of a game then gave up

[uncut dagger]

I could tell that it wasn’t going to be my cup of Argent tea

[vestal rover]

DOOM does not need to be adrenaline pumping action every 2 seconds, just saying. I actually spend a lot of time in these games just looking around at vistas and taking in the vibe

[uncut dagger]

And I had watched gameplay from further in the game before and after I played it

[sullen yarrow]

The idea that they need to pump adrenaline into you constantly is a new thing btw

[floral badge]

That's the kind of games I like though

[cunning iris]

DOOM is as atmospheric as it is frantic, leaning one way or the other is ruining the balance

[floral badge]

But I often play some that are the opposite and still have fun

[uncut dagger]

I’m like a Dread Knight, what can I say

[floral badge]

As I said, it's just my thoughts

[sullen yarrow]

And EpicSquid I really don't mean to shit on your opinions but you have shown before that you expect every DOOM media to be like NuDOOM

[delicate ravine]

It's fine to think Doom 3 wouldnt be your cup of tea

But you dont get to parade your opinions on it like they hold any weight at all

[floral badge]

No I just said that is bad

I literally specified "imo"

[cunning iris]

Or if you do that the least you should do beforehand is actually see the game through to the end

[delicate ravine]

I was talking to squid, who seems to have an issue with this

[floral badge]

Oooooo

[uncut dagger]

I can expect what I want, but I’m not being a super big hater on anything, just voicing a few criticisms, my disappointments, and things I would like

[floral badge]

sorry

[sullen yarrow]

All this because of

[dense phoenix]

is it not in the eternal codex

[ripe girder]

I would suggest playing lost mission expansion through the latest release of doom 3. If you want nostop action that is only an hour long of nonstop shooting

[sullen yarrow]

Idk I don't read those, guys how do I kill the pinky it has too much armor

[dense phoenix]

i might be wrong because i pulled that from the wiki instead of reading the codex

[uncut dagger]

Is the gameplay feel and mechanics any different from the main game?

[floral badge]

Uh, what

[ripe girder]

Considering you didnt touch any of the actual gameplay feel or mechanics yes

[dense phoenix]

yeah its such a #woke bullet sponge. boycott bethesda and ID for this terrible game design

[floral badge]

He just means that DOOM pumping you adrenaline constantly is new, nothing in the codex/wiki

[uncut dagger]

I mean the reloading, small areas, and movement

[dense phoenix]

i thought we were talking about the dread knight

thats what the little orange tubes it has are

[sullen yarrow]

We were talking about the games 😭

[delicate ravine]

I give a bit of shit to games like TNT or Wolfenstein 3D, but I've actually played those enough to have an opinion I can back up

[floral badge]

oh no lol

[dense phoenix]

sorry i have a toddler level reading comprehension skill im lowk dumb as rocks

[ripe girder]

What?

[ripe girder]

I forget you hate reloading

[uncut dagger]

I don’t mind it when it’s fast and unobtrusive like in RAGE 2

[lofty zinc]

Hola

[ripe girder]

Its pretty fast in doom 3

[dense phoenix]

guns dont have to reload IRL so idk why ID and bethesda invented this new mechanic just to inconvience doom players

[delicate ravine]

I was saying that if you're going to be negative, you should actually know the thing you're criticising. Play it enough to know it

[delicate ravine]

there's downtime in most games that have reloading

[sullen yarrow]

Reloading adds an extra layer of strategy

[delicate ravine]

in fact, that reloading is something you can do to make the downtime less boring

[vestal rover]

Imma guess he hasn't played Half-Life either

[ripe girder]

To me or?

[uncut dagger]

It’s still really annoying to go through 8 weapons between every fight and reload manually though

[cunning iris]

Why are you using all 8 weapons every fight

[uncut dagger]

A small flaw with Prodeus

[delicate ravine]

I guess it wasn't aimed specifically at you, using your comment to make a point

[uncut dagger]

Because it’s cool and weapon switching

[delicate ravine]

you aren't using 8 weapons in a fight

[dense phoenix]

gits and shiggles

[ripe girder]

Ahhh my bad misread it

[delicate ravine]

or if you are, it's a massive fight

[cunning iris]

I think part of your issue is now-

[delicate ravine]

oh my god

[ripe girder]

Also you can rapid switch between weapons you dont have to wait for each to pop up

[cunning iris]

WAIT A MINUTE YOU'VE ONLY PLAYED FOR 20 MINUTES
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE ALL 8 WEAPONS!!!!

[floral badge]

huh

[uncut dagger]

I was talking about other games like Prodeus and RAGE

[floral badge]

is he actually mad or

[delicate ravine]

Doom 3 has a lot of weapons that can't reload

[dense phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-bait-jojo-jjba-jojo's-bizarre-adventure-gif-11159617522698492937

[uncut dagger]

That’s cool

[cunning iris]

No I'm yelling for ✨ dramatic effect ✨

[delicate ravine]

Doom 3 is pretty cool yeah. You should play it

[uncut dagger]

How many of the weapons are like that?

[vestal rover]

Doom 3 is awesome

[delicate ravine]

5/12

[sullen yarrow]

The more weapons need reloading the more the game needs you to not play blindly and actually think about what you want to do

[delicate ravine]

And of those 7 remaining, one is near useless and the others are specialised

[sullen yarrow]

I would argue that is an engaging element of game design

[delicate ravine]

you're not going to pull out the rocket launcher at point blank

[ripe girder]

ANYMORE PINKIES WANNA SPAWN????

[uncut dagger]

It’s better to have a big variety of enemies with different killing strategies for thoughtful gameplay

[ripe girder]

I swear this is like number 79 i don’t remember there being this may

[delicate ravine]

you can have both

[sullen yarrow]

Are those mutually exclusive?

[delicate ravine]

You are terrible at discussion

[ripe girder]

Imma sidetrack after this level to record some doom 3 footage

[cunning iris]

DOOM 3 has both, a lot of enemies can be crouched or weaved through to get close if you need to
If you're careless with your gun, your punishment is being vulnerable

[uncut dagger]

At least I’m cordial

[delicate ravine]

Again, terrible

[vestal rover]

DOOM 3, including RoE, actually has more enemies than Eternal and it's DLCs as far as I'm aware

[delicate ravine]

"yeah well you smell"

[ripe girder]

Theres only one level after this right?

[sullen yarrow]

Yes

[ripe girder]

Hmmm later

[cunning iris]

Squid you have told me twice that I don't get DOOM and made fun of Rules' name earlier no you aren't lmao

[ripe girder]

Not rn

[sullen yarrow]

Second time I've seen you pull an ad hominem, among other things. Not a good look

[uncut dagger]

I don’t start anything, I just voice my opinion and get all the grief

[sullen yarrow]

I can name one example of you starting something but I really don't want to dig up past shit

[delicate ravine]

I really disagree heavily with a lot of them

[ripe girder]

Vega has been uploaded into the magic usb

[uncut dagger]

Good for you, doesn’t mean you have to always say something

[delicate ravine]

I'm passionate about games like Dusk and don't like it when you just brush it aside with "meh, looks ugly"

[vestal rover]

Seriously how tf

[ripe girder]

Ah doom 3 my beloved i knew I already had you downloaded

[delicate ravine]

Right back at ya

[uncut dagger]

Whenever you’re in a conversation that’s already happening, I usually try to avoid it

[ripe girder]

Holy crap does this load fast on switch 2

[delicate ravine]

do you? we seem to talk often

[ripe girder]

Im already in the game? This is actually sick.

[cunning iris]

Does the switch 2 use a ssd-like storage or is it still hdd

[sullen yarrow]

Getting an XSS for the first time not too long ago and realizing I can have DOOM Eternal and 2016 AND like 5 more games loaded at the same time was fantastic

[ripe girder]

Ssd but its express speed

It needs express micro sds

So loading is actually insane

[ripe girder]

Dude

[cunning iris]

Ah nice

[ripe girder]

The quick resume feature boggles my brain

[sullen yarrow]

I just wish it was easier to tell when you have something running in the background

[ripe girder]

I can go from turning on my Xbox to being in the middle of Starfield in like 7 seconds its actually beyond insane

[uncut dagger]

I wonder why #general message

[ripe girder]

This is deceptively smooth….does doom 3 on switch have uncapped frames?

[sullen yarrow]

It's really handy to switch between games to compare settings or something, but then when I forget to unload them afterwards I can boot up something like TDA and get lag so bad the god damn menu music is lagging

[ripe girder]

No apparently its 60 but man does it feel smooth

[vestal rover]

That's TDA for ya

[delicate ravine]

hmm

[ripe girder]

……this reloading is fast

[sullen yarrow]

I mean I doubt it was optimized with the idea of having Eternal and Wolfenstein II running in the background :p

[delicate ravine]

We both talk at the same time as each other

[uncut dagger]

In Doom 3?

[safe ginkgo]

is doom + doom 2 multiplayer safe?

[delicate ravine]

can you stop talking about Doom 3 already?

[sullen yarrow]

I have to say, getting an Xbox 360 recently really opened my eyes to just how good we have it nowadays. No 1080p is crazy, and the fact I can't go to the home screen without closing my game is wild

[uncut dagger]

Are you in EST?

[ripe girder]

Yea

[green summit]

wdym safe

its not a virus

[delicate ravine]

People have told you the reloading in D3 is fast, and that there's downtime where you can do it in

[green summit]

last i checked

[safe ginkgo]

uh like phishers and stuff in avg multiplayer lobies

[delicate ravine]

but you keep asking without any idea, because you gave up after 20 minutes before firing a single gun

[delicate ravine]

not timezone, as in we talk in chat around the same time as each other

[uncut dagger]

If you have to wait 20 minutes in a FPS game before firing your first shot, that’s an obvious issue

[ripe girder]

I was over here thinking its been awhile maybe this reloading is slow, no its def quite fast.

[delicate ravine]

no it isn't

[sullen yarrow]

Maybe the game is not designed to be a cheap dopamine hit and is actually trying to be an experience? 🤔

[delicate ravine]

There's this thing called a story. Or atmosphere

[vestal rover]

Half. Life.

[dense phoenix]

doom and doom 2 sells your information to Lithuania so they can steal 62 cents from your bank account without you noticing and then they spend it on weapons of mass destruction to take over the world

[delicate ravine]

no, that game doesn't have much heavy metal music, it sucks

[ripe girder]

Lost mission has you shooting about 2 seconds in and roe roughly the same if you really must shoot right away

[ripe girder]

This is true. But the gravity gun helps with the heavy metal

[green summit]

did you just randomly pull lithuania out your ass or did you check my location set on steam

[uncut dagger]

Every time you pick up some scraps it plays a quick riff

[vestal rover]

Clever

[dense phoenix]

out of my ass are you actually lithuanian 😭

[delicate ravine]

the intro of the game having you go through a normal morning at black mesa only sets up a status quo, immerses you in this world, foreshadows the tragedy to come

[green summit]

yes

[delicate ravine]

but no, no shooty so bad

[dense phoenix]

insane coincidence

[delicate ravine]

I hate this single track mentality he has

[ripe girder]

In fact in doom 3 i find you can roughly just swap between each weapon without even needing to reload until said encounter is over then reload while walking to the next one if you really must

Yay I remembered to crouch for the tentacle man

[dense phoenix]

or you can take half a second to reload your gun and keep shooting

[sullen yarrow]

The best solution is to just try to play games that aren't 2016 for once. You'll only have one expectation for every video game if you keep being in an echo chamber

[uncut dagger]

The original Halo-esque boring unskippable intro tutorial sequence is outdated

[ripe girder]

Plus shotgu reloads 2 shells at once.

[delicate ravine]

urghhhhhhh

[vestal rover]

You don't get it man, story in doom doesn't matter, neither does the atmosphere or the visuals or the sound design, nothing. The only thing that matters is the gameplay and heavy metal music, that is and always will be it (to some people)

[dense phoenix]

game from 2000 is outdated 20 years later who woulda thought that

[green summit]

wait is that all you had to do to dodge tentacle commandos??

all this time i was under the assumption you just had to pray that you can kill them before they reach you

[uncut dagger]

Not Rules, he thinks that still holds up

[ripe girder]

Yeah they aim for chest to head height if you crouch no damage

[cunning iris]

Crouch to dodge the whip then move back to dodge the followup kick, yeah

[ripe girder]

BUT they will then kick you after their tentacle retracts

[sullen yarrow]

#heretic-hexen message 💔

[delicate ravine]

I'm the one being uncordial by the way

[uncut dagger]

Don’t admit your hate and others won’t exploit it

[dense phoenix]

if you go into a game from 2000 you should expect it to play like a game from the 2000s instead of holding it to NuDOOM standards

[ripe girder]

Oh you reminded me my heretic hexen comes in like 6 months i think

[delicate ravine]

what???

[uncut dagger]

#general message