general

[sullen yarrow]

Postal is boring in general :p

[uncut dagger]

And some people call me a bot in this server, the audacity

[ripe girder]

That’s because it’s survival horror. It’s suppose to be a little scary but you can defend yourself hence a reason

[thorn egret]

ugh Postal...

why did i have to witness several innocent people burning to crisps...!

[sullen yarrow]

I like FNaF's take on implying horrific events but not showing them

[ripe girder]

Well MK ( at least at the start) was about a tournament fight to the death, but even then the kills are so over the top

[uncut dagger]

Yeah me too

[thorn egret]

super unnecessary

[uncut dagger]

Also anyone see Predator: Badlands, because if that movie were rated R it would be peak rated R

[thorn egret]

just stab them to death!!

why do you need to ||rip their head off, tear the headless torso in half, then kick the severed head 50 times||!!!

[sullen yarrow]

Because it brings in sales

Say what you want about MK it's certainly infamous to its benefit

[uncut dagger]

That’s the brand they set for themselves I guess, they want the shock value

[thorn egret]

ugh i hate needless shock value

[ripe girder]

Still upsets me a lot of the devs from mortal kombst ended up suffering from ptsd and more from having to review gore to add it into the game

[thorn egret]

wait they go through that?!

[sullen yarrow]

Valve employees also had to endure that with Left 4 Dead iirc

The discovery of that specific HL2 texture source a few years back doesn't help...

[thorn egret]

is it the one with the "eyes in a tank"?

now i hate Mortal Kombat even more

[cunning iris]

MK devs researching by watching old edgy newgrounds animations

[thorn egret]

i hate senseless violence media in general

Postal, MK, the likes, all of them, into the trash bin sent to Hell for the Imps to feast on
-# said Imps found dead hours later

[ripe girder]

Plus as a fighting game it’s just clunky as all hell

[thorn egret]

no need for a fighting game to be over the top edgy

even Invincible's own fighting game suffers from that

and i never even liked Invincible either

[ripe girder]

Street fighter 6 with its easier to use combo mode is so nice

[thorn egret]

see, Street Fighter, Tekken, JoJo ASBR, those are the good games

NOT Mortal Kombat

i played some Tekken in a mall arcade once and even though the controls confused me and i sucked, i enjoyed it

[ripe girder]

I want to buy sf6 waiting for a sale on the year 1+2 edition

[sullen yarrow]

The only fighting games I've ever played are Sonic the Fighters and MvCI am I cooked

[cunning iris]

Yes

At least try like sf or kof

[wise lark]

Miau

[sullen yarrow]

Street Fighter or what

[cunning iris]

King of Fighters

[ripe girder]

Sf6 has a demo

[sullen yarrow]

I got a collection of old Street Fighter games or something cuz when I bought my XSS the past owner's library got wrapped into mine for some reason

[cunning iris]

Perfect then

You also get the best one with it with sf3

[uncut dagger]

Best fighting game is Killer Instinct, with Mick’s soundtrack

Isn’t it weird to think about that Doom metal really originated from a fighting game?

[cunning iris]

Not really

DOOM music coming from elsewhere isn't that new, the older games were filled with music pieces taken from big 90s rock/metal of the time

[sullen yarrow]

DOOM 3's theme too iirc

Then you got Mick's music constantly taking from Bobby's lol

I say that lightheartedly for obvious reasons but the amount of tunes reused is crazy

[cunning iris]

Hell the best track of the game is just a remix of 'Suspense'

[uncut dagger]

Was the main menu theme the only heavy metal in Doom 3?

You’ve changed

[severe trellis]

cheeseburger

[cunning iris]

I think so? I don't recall any other instance of it

[uncut dagger]

Well then, I think that speaks for itself, what a pity

I do like that theme though

[sullen yarrow]

Eh it works within the game

[cunning iris]

Would've been nice to have a few more but it makes sense why there's just the one, DOOM 3 isn't the kind of game that would benefit from having metal every corner

[uncut dagger]

Any FPS game could benefit from heavy metal during combat encounters and arenas

Heavy fighting, if you will

[sullen yarrow]

Not every FPS game is trying to be energetic brah

[ripe girder]

I swear fps games can have their own identity

[cunning iris]

Not this again...

[uncut dagger]

I don’t get it, what isn’t energetic about fighting enemies to the death?

That’s not supposed to be a calm experience I think

Not to mention that it’s a little misleading to have cool music on the title screen and then have nothing in the actual game

[sullen yarrow]

clickbait video game (has music in menu)

[cunning iris]

A survival game doesn't have to be breakneck action at every turn. Sometimes fighting for your life can have a lack of music
Heavy metal music implies you're the one in control, which is not what DOOM 3 is about
You are fighting for survival against hell itself, you are not the one in control

[uncut dagger]

Heavy metal can also be representative of the enemies or boss you are facing and the chaotic scenario

[cunning iris]

Sure, but that doesn't mean it belongs in every combat encounter
Save it for the bosses then fine that's understandable. But if I'm just fighting some weak imps I don't need heavy metal like I'm doing something impressive

[uncut dagger]

So adding it can only be a net positive

[cunning iris]

Unless it doesn't belong, then it can only be a net negative

[uncut dagger]

But why wouldn’t it belong in FPS? And even if the music is more intense than the combat encounter you are facing, you still have good music playing the background and that’s enjoyable

[sullen yarrow]

Well why isn't every single soundtrack for any media comprised of just heavy metal then

[uncut dagger]

Doesn’t have to heavy metal either, could also be electronic music

[uncut dagger]

I think that’s pretty obvious, dude

[sullen yarrow]

What is the obvious reason

[uncut dagger]

Because it doesn’t fit with all media, but it can fit pretty well with any FPS

[hazy birch]

Ancient aliens goated

[sullen yarrow]

Wow it doesn't fit that's almost like what's happening with DOOM 3 💔

[uncut dagger]

But it fits with that game’s menu? It’s almost like the developers are tricking you into thinking it’s like Doom, but it isn’t

[hazy birch]

Love that miami vice meets x files vibe

[sullen yarrow]

I'm gonna go insane man

Whatever EpicSquid you win I'm too tired

[hazy birch]

What happened to doom 3

[prime sand]

Music has to be made to match the setting and sonic template
ie, Cinematic music for Cinematic Games, Intense music for horror games, Kickass music for DOOM, obviously their are exceptions,

Imagine giving FNAF metal music, it aint gonna work

Howdy LM

[uncut dagger]

Yeah totally, I was talking about FPS games only

[sullen yarrow]

I would agree but DOOM has had two games without kickass music and the OSTs definitely fit

[prime sand]

Hello Mr. John!

[cunning iris]

It can and does sometimes
But if a game is meant to be more atmospheric and desperate, you need fitting sounding music no?

[ripe girder]

Sniper elite with heavy metal would be atrocious

[uncut dagger]

And that’s why DOOM has ambient tracks, light fighting, and heavy fighting

[hazy birch]

Midi slayer and pantera was about as kickass as it got at the time

[prime sand]

TRUE

[uncut dagger]

Dynamic music and all

[prime sand]

What's in third John

[sullen yarrow]

I'm thinking my 3 favorites are TDA > 2016 > DOOM 1

[pearl mango]

TDA is first, Eternal and then 2016 but I love them all equally

[uncut dagger]

I don’t know if I can rank them, they are all pretty equal

[sullen yarrow]

Had to add my own fire emoji, inflation is crazy

Thank you Sneaky

[prime sand]

The Tokyopointout emoji is so peak

[ripe girder]

Let’s not get too silly now

[uncut dagger]

I have the sudden urge to straighten his crown

[sullen yarrow]

Mr. John likes old messages

[marble pilot]

I think a lot of European countries are

[astral mortar]

Doom

[ivory ravine]

You're digging up old comments on racism and other members being banned. It's not a good look. Please remain in the present.

[astral mortar]

Agreed

[pearl mango]

it's amazing!

[urban aurora]

doom 2: hell on earth

[cedar galleon]

what's that about shock? I just think it's cooler

[cedar galleon]

doom 64

[tiny igloo]

I’m actually planning on seeing it soon

[severe trellis]

fun fact: you can eat 20 batteries

[mortal tiger]

way ahead of y-KAFF KAFF BLARGH

[tiny igloo]

Rest in pece

[mortal tiger]

im back

[uncut dagger]

If you’re a DOOM fan you will love it for sure

[misty ridge]

:3

[wise lark]

:3

[mortal tiger]

:3

[elder lotus]

:3

[uncut dagger]

:4

[severe trellis]

:3

[uncut dagger]

Is this a countdown?

[sullen yarrow]

Colon three is no countdown, but rather a state of life

[uncut dagger]

Just like #@$&%

[misty ridge]

💔 🥀

W ragebait

[uncut dagger]

I just don’t know many colloquial things, what of it?

[severe trellis]

yes, a countdown to doom the light ages which releases tomorrow

[uncut dagger]

But why is the countdown always at 3!

[sullen yarrow]

Countdown to Silly

[severe trellis]

2

[uncut dagger]

Uh oh

[urban aurora]

uno

[uncut dagger]

[misty ridge]

it's like UwU

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-12450451651611168773

do you now understand?

[astral mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/bing-chi-ling-alex-mei-bing-chi-ling-alex-gif-21908053

[uncut dagger]

I understand even less now with that Cena gif

[delicate ravine]

I see you are continuing with the bad takes

what if you're trying to make a horror atmosphere for your game?

what if you want to make the gameplay somewhat sombre?

[misty ridge]

that has nothing to do with the :3

look at the gif I sent

[uncut dagger]

Sure, you can have horror games with FPS, and have moments that are scary, but they can also benefit from some good music occasionally

[delicate ravine]

"Good music"

[uncut dagger]

Like Prey for example

[delicate ravine]

you have such a narrow mind when it comes to what can be good or not

[uncut dagger]

Music that you would actually listen to outside the game

[spice brook]

Bro has been thoroughly modern doom-pilled

[delicate ravine]

A first person shooter game focused on fear and paranoia will benefit greatly from music that reflects that tone

not heavy metal because I like listening to it

[uncut dagger]

Sure, but that sounds like more of a horror game than pure FPS

[delicate ravine]

some music just doesnt work like that. Simple as

[spice brook]

What is a “pure fps”

[delicate ravine]

crazy, genres aren't a definite thing

[uncut dagger]

Yeah not having heavy metal works for horror games that have FPS elements, I agree

But I’m just saying for all other FPS, it wouldn’t hurt to include some

That’s not a bad take

[hollow charm]

I wonder how funny it would be if doom guy sounded like heavy from tf2

[uncut dagger]

SANDVICH!

[delicate ravine]

what if it's not horror, but is sombre?

[hollow charm]

Big man vs tiny baby man

[delicate ravine]

Where the plot isn't gung ho action focused and is instead a more contemplative affair?

[spice brook]

Or even just an action fps that’s more lighthearted

[uncut dagger]

TDA has a somber moment with appropriate music, but why would you want the whole FPS game to be like that?

[delicate ravine]

Holy shit

bro doesn't understand tone

[uncut dagger]

Then you can still have energetic music

[spice brook]

Metal does not need to be included in every action fps

[uncut dagger]

I didn’t say that it did

[delicate ravine]

I wonder what he would think when he realises people play stuff like Silent Hill 2 unironically

[uncut dagger]

That’s a horror game

[delicate ravine]

but its full of sombre moments

[spice brook]

“For all other fps games, it wouldn’t hurt to include some”

[delicate ravine]

how can that be?

[delicate ravine]

even though it absolutely would for some

Half Life is a good example. It's a game about an experiment gone wrong, aliens and the military both showing up to kill everything, and you trying desperately to fix it

There is some hard rock in there, very occasionally. When appropriate

[uncut dagger]

Every time I play any FPS game with no music or generic music I put on Doom metal and it enhances my experience

[delicate ravine]

lack of music is an artistic choice

[uncut dagger]

Well that can work very well for scary moments, but there’s no other excuse to have an FPS combat arena with no music

It’s the only thing about DOOM multiplayer that I don’t like actually

[delicate ravine]

I can't believe you

all I can say is, I hope you grow out of this mentality

[uncut dagger]

Music is a great tool to enhance the gameplay experience

[delicate ravine]

as is the lack of it

it lets you think about what just happened in the game, take it in

it can also build tension for what will happen next

[uncut dagger]

I never said that every game needs heavy metal playing all the time, but you guys as usual mistake my words

[spice brook]

Nobody’s saying that you said that
I just think you’re unique in saying that every fps could benefit from metal

[uncut dagger]

Fair enough

I’m guilty of loving DOOM and it’s music, what can I say

[delicate ravine]

I like ice cream. I dont think it should be in everything

[uncut dagger]

You really need to learn to read better

[delicate ravine]

You need to learn to broaden your perspectives on what is and isnt good

[uncut dagger]

I don’t drink coffee, so I need some energetic music to keep me going

[loud flame]

Just beat Cronos the new dawn

fucking incredible

[tepid summit]

Is it the gigerian Dead Space?

[loud flame]

Well dead space was also lowkey giger-esque with its whole plot being corpse merging into a beeg moon
but yes

I had a great time playing Cronos. I only decided to play it after seeing UnderTheMayo's recent video (combined with it being on sale). Big thanks to Mayo

[tepid summit]

Noice

[main socket]

Is it a hot take to say that Part Two of The Ancient Gods is better than Part One?

[sullen yarrow]

Yes

[loud flame]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yup-yeah-agree-screaming-gif-15949083

[uncut dagger]

Not really, there are people on both sides

[loud flame]

I would prefer part 2 if it weren't for the final boss and some of those obnoxious new enemies

[uncut dagger]

It’s up to opinion and preference

[sullen yarrow]

That's not what a hot take means

[main socket]

Even if the Davoth boss fight is lazy since you just wait for him to do a green move, shoot him with a shotgun, then Hammer slam him to extend his knock out meter and then fill him with bullets

[loud flame]

my biggest problem with davoth is him stalling so often + 5 phases

fight overstays its welcome. i doubt it even had a welcome from most people

[main socket]

Same

[uncut dagger]

I think I like Part Two a little more as well, but they’re both amazing

[sullen yarrow]

I appreciated the fight crashing when I beat it on NM

I definitely wanted to play through half of it again!

[cunning iris]

You were the demon all along

[loud flame]

hey at least it wasn't UN
(Right?)

[loud flame]

||Gotta love how Davoth was far more dangerous to existence than Azrakh, yet Slayer shows him more kindness than he did to Azrakh (he doesn't like or respect davoth but he doesn't feel the need to torture him like he did to Asscrackerface). Not being a smug, pet-killing snake really saved Davoth from a worse fate||

[sullen yarrow]

JustSomeLego TDA spoilers....

[cunning iris]

I haven't played TDA yet so idk much about Azrakh but good to know he's a step down from Davoth ig

[loud flame]

Sorry I didn't know you played it yet

[cunning iris]

THAT DOESN'T HELP LOL

It's fine dw
Idc that much for nudoom story anyways and it'll probably be years before I play tda

[loud flame]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-dies-gif-24297438

how coming home from work feels like

either case I was playing Cronos recently and had a great time, hope there'll be more dark ages DLC

this year already looking good for gaming and it can only look better if there's some dark ages DLC

[loud flame]

yeah that does sound bad

My PS5 is very stable but I have had it crash during critical moments in certain games

[main socket]

I don't think I ever encountered game breaking bugs or crashes

In Eternal

I did encounter 2 in 2016

[loud flame]

As for TDA... this happened on release day to me... haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQfpjF1tiiQ

[main socket]

One time the game didn't allow me to pass a certain area because the hologram of Samuel and Olivia didn't show up

[sullen yarrow]

I had an elevator in 2016 go the wrong way

[main socket]

And the game straight up wasn't allowing me to open doors by pressing switches

Another one I had was no clipping because of a glory kill in VEGA Central Processing

[main socket]

Lol

[tiny igloo]

Without spoiling anything, what about being a doom fan would entice me about the movie?

[loud flame]

the BFG

and some of the action scenes are really damn good

buuuuuuuuut imo doom 2005 was a 5/10 at best for me

I do want to say that Dwayne Johnson had a genuinely good performance, I hear that his recent film performances aren't well-received at all. and Karl Urban also does well

[cunning iris]

DOOM 2005 is also funny because it's one of the few times Dwayne's character loses, something that he has in his contracts explicitly says can't happen now

[sullen yarrow]

(They are talking about Predator Badlands)

[cunning iris]

oh oops

[uncut dagger]

It has a lot of the same vibe as DOOM, especially The Dark Ages

And also shares some common themes

It even has some DOOM humor I think

[urban aurora]

so its all wrong?

wait what, why did messages pop out of nowhere

i was gonna talk about the dwayne johnson contract thing

thanks discord

[cunning iris]

What part of it

[urban aurora]

the not being dead part

just now realized its fake

thanks internet

[delicate ravine]

Yeah. It's a lot easier, for one, and the sentinel hammer is borderline braindead in how you use it

[loud flame]

it is def easier but some enemies make it a tad more annoying

Riot soldiers have me yelling acab each time

[wanton shale]

hai

[mortal tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/bello-hi-hello-wave-drone-gif-23717103

[wanton shale]

isnt he the guy that likes dogs? something drones is the show’s name? idk man i havent watched it yet

[mortal tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/murder-drones-gif-24364195

[wanton shale]

YES! THATS IT!

[mortal tiger]

The dog lover is Serial Designation N, and the one on the title card is Serial Designation V

[wanton shale]

me and n would prolly be friends

[ripe girder]

Watched episode 1 and loved it, need to go back and finish it. Backed the kickstarter for the physiical comic version of murder drones

[mortal tiger]

Careful on episode two. It may bore you

But keep pushing through

[kind turtle]

Hello

is this server official or fan made?

[pure palm]

Official

[kind turtle]

REALLY?

finally

🙏

[cedar galleon]

DIRTY CLANKER

[mortal tiger]

HOW DARE THEE

[thorn egret]

heavy metal would not fit with TF2's style at all

[thorn egret]

regular gamer:
walks through hallway filled with dead bodies, ambience
holy shit... what happened here..?
the side character explains to you what happened and what is your mission

EpicSquid:
headbangs aggressively to BFG-10000 while dashing through the hallway and ignoring side character

[cinder solstice]

Okay so, quick question, i've played doom eternal to the ending before, but i wanna play it again with the expansion packs, to understand it better, but i feel like the dark ages should be played before that, bur what abt doom 2016? Is thag a completely different game? Or just the version of doom eternal that came before?

[thorn egret]

𝓪𝓵𝓵 𝓬𝓵𝓪𝓷𝓴𝓮𝓻𝓼 𝓪𝓻𝓮 𝓻𝓸𝓫𝓸𝓽𝓼

𝓫𝓾𝓽 𝓷𝓸𝓽 𝓪𝓵𝓵 𝓻𝓸𝓫𝓸𝓽𝓼 𝓪𝓻𝓮 𝓬𝓵𝓪𝓷𝓴𝓮𝓻𝓼

[ripe girder]

So doom 2016 came out in 2016

Eternal is the sequel to 2016

[thorn egret]

woa

[ripe girder]

The dlcs for eternal take place after eternal

And The dark ages is a prequel to doom 2016

[cinder solstice]

I always thought doom 2016 was the same game as eternal but that eternal just had better graphics and such

[ripe girder]

All 3 are different games

Nope 2 separate games

[cinder solstice]

Alr so, dark ages, doom 2016, doom eternal and then it's dlcs

[thorn egret]

if you want full chronological order then VFR too!

[ripe girder]

That would be the story order yes. But I would suggest launch order
2016 eternal dlcs TDA

[cinder solstice]

Yeah i've thought about that but i kinda wanna play it in chronological order to get into the story more ykwim?

[ripe girder]

I will say, there are MASSIVE time jumps between each game

[cinder solstice]

So that's why launch order would be better?

[thorn egret]

as much as i love doing that...

if you play a newer game then an older game afterwards, then you may compare sttuff, or be whiplashed with "WOA THE MECHANICS ARE SO MUCH DIFFERENT AND PRIMITIVE"

[ripe girder]

Yeah

Plus what frostbite said

2016 is quite primitive in comparison to both

Much slower progression, less enemies, less everything really

[cinder solstice]

Alright, thanks, I'll try it on Wednesday since i'm busy next 2 days 🥲

[ripe girder]

Plus I kinda prefer release order because you can see how the franchise evolves over time

I’m replaying 2016 rn and yeah it’s def a jump back

[cinder solstice]

Well thanks for explaining man

[ripe girder]

Of course! I love every game in this franchise

Have them all on switch, just waiting for TDA switch port

[lunar wren]

This is such a random ass question but does anyone know what Doom song has a creepy wind up box/kiddy song at the end of it?? I feel like I’m going crazy I heard it like once at 12AM and I’ve been searching for it so hard and I can’t find where it came from

I’m absolutely sure it was one of mick Gordon’s songs

[cunning iris]

Only one that comes to mind is Sweet Dead Little Bunny, the ending song for the first DOOM
Though the "kiddy" part of that one is at the very beginning of it

[lunar wren]

I’m not sure if it’s that, I was thinking it was the main theme from eternal I replayed it atleast 20 times straining my ears but I can’t find it

It’s definitely modern I know that

[pine delta]

Doom the dark ages story doesnt make any sense if you havent played eternal first

It throws you into an already established world and expects you to already know everything about it

[thorn egret]

Star Wars prequel trilogy my beloved

[cunning iris]

Hmm. I can't remember anything from Eternal having that sort of sound to it, sorry

[thorn egret]

unrelated note:

what do you think about people greeting you or asking how you are, but their sentences are just copy pastes?

[cunning iris]

General rule of thumb is that you should always engage with media in release order, because that's the knowledge the creators expect you to know beforehand unless told otherwise

[cunning iris]

If you know them, then it's kind of annoying and you shouldn't feel bad for saying you don't want to continue the conversation
If it's someone you don't know and have never spoken to before; just ignore them from the start because it's most likely a bot

[uncut dagger]

Some exceptions to this include movie franchises like Star Wars, The Lord of the Rings, and Predator, all of which are better in chronological order

[cunning iris]

I don't know anything about LotR or Predator, but Star Wars is pretty front and center about the fact the prequels should be shown first (they title them episodes 1-6 for a reason)

Ofc there are exceptions but for the most part, release order is the way to go

[thorn egret]

i've known them for months, and ever since i vented to them once back in October, everyday they've been copy pasting the same

Good morning!
Did you sleep well?

if yes,

Nice
How're you feeling?

if no,

🫂

[uncut dagger]

Sure probably, like 60% of the time I bet but it really depends

[cunning iris]

Sounds like they're just marking off a checklist, atp you need to ask if it's even worth engaging at all

[thorn egret]

it just feels so ingenuine

[thorn egret]

i don't want to hurt their feelings

they just want to know if i'm doing good

[cunning iris]

If it bothers you so much, bring it up to them
A lot of problems can come from people just...not talking things out like adults

[thorn egret]

anyways, after saying either of these prompts like an automated telephone service, they just completely don't say anything

[cunning iris]

If you want them to stop asking a checklist without any further effort, bring it up to them

[thorn egret]

-# (i'm not an adult •ω •)

anyways, yes you have a point

[cunning iris]

Okay, then talk it out like a mature person idk

Don't be rude about it ofc but even starting with like "I know you're just checking in on me but-"
And go from there

[thorn egret]

okie

i'll talk it out with them when i have the courage to

[cunning iris]

👍

Best of luck

[opaque crater]

Hello chat

I wanna draw something doom related but I can't think of anything, so I'm open to requests

[cunning iris]

Doomslayer struggling to bend down because of all his armor and guns

[opaque crater]

I can't disrespect my goat like that😤

[acoustic inlet]

E

[opaque crater]

Also for a second I thought your pfp was mordecai

[uncut dagger]

The Slayer in the Praetor suit with his arms crossed with a Sentinel on either side of him

[opaque crater]

Interesting, noted

[cunning iris]

I'm crying 💔

[thorn egret]

Doomguy with the boys
(Samus and Master Chief)

[plucky tide]

doom guy and isabelle from animal crossing trust

[opaque crater]

I like that one too

[pine delta]

Why on earth did activision do a fallout collab in black ops 7

Have they not learned??

What was their takeaway from battlefield taking their entire playerbase

[ripe girder]

Money

[prime sand]

Money and they probablydon't have to pay a license fee

[minor rapids]

cod doesnt care anymore as long as it rakes in the dough

[mortal tiger]

Fortnite does it good. Cod is failing

[novel cloak]

Yeah. I think Fort was made with collabs in mind and COD saw it worked without any understanding on WHY it works

[regal drum]

how do i get the classic doom guy skin? (im on steam) on eternal

what the hell is happening

[ripe girder]

Yeah no

Spammers evil

[regal drum]

gosh

[regal drum]

do you know how to get the classic doom marine skin

[ripe girder]

U need sentinel batteries

To unlock it in the fortress of doom

[regal drum]

how many

[ripe girder]

U can also get a few other classic skins by owning and connecting account to doom 3 and so on

I forget the exact number but I could swear it’s like 2

[regal drum]

alright

thank you!

[ripe girder]

Np!

[regal drum]

my game keeps crashing when trying to load into the cultist base even though im on a 5060 with 16 gb of ddr5 ram

what the heck?

[wanton shale]

hi

[humble trout]

Tips for ultranightmare

Doom Eternal

Oops wrong channel

[pine delta]

Why is Nintendo so afraid of their characters being on other consoles to the point that whenever their characters appear as skins in cross platform games they only show up for people also playing on a Nintendo system

[plucky tide]

greed and money and control over the IPs that have then

them*

[limpid brook]

no shot

[prime sand]

Ok then....

[astral bolt]

uhmm is this server for official doomer only or it is for doom clone too (freedoom 4 example)

[ripe girder]

Technically it’s the official doom server so it’s mostly about doom stuff. But I’m sure freedoom could be discussed in #classic-doom and #general

[astral bolt]

ohh okay

thanks

[ripe girder]

Good luck!

And have fun

[prime sand]

Don't die, Shoot the demons till they die!

For Eternal you wanna keep moving non stop, and prioritize specific threats!

2016, Use the glass canon and SSG when you get them...

[floral marlin]

just have fun and its okay if u get burnt out

also difficulty doesnt matter so dont force yourself to play UN or UV or anything

[uncut dagger]

Always be moving, number one rule of FPS and is most true with DOOM

[prime sand]

And turn music up in the settings

[uncut dagger]

Hurt Me Plenty is good for first playthroughs, that’s what I did

[floral marlin]

music is okay, no need to max it tho cuz the games also have good sfx

[uncut dagger]

Yes that too, very important

[floral marlin]

or you can so play your own music

[prime sand]

That too

[uncut dagger]

The Ancient Gods and The Dark Ages need a music volume boost

[cunning iris]

If it's your first time, play on HMP
Hurt Me Plenty is this series' way of saying "normal mode". Some of the later games can get hard, so don't try to immediately jump into the difficulty meant to make them harder
Besides that...use the right guns for the right job. Don't waste rocket ammo on a lone imp, use chaingun to take out weak hitscanners, etc etc

[floral marlin]

I mean you can always just turn up the speaker settings, I usually play games with my own music playing in the background

[uncut dagger]

That’s usually fair, but DOOM is the last game to play without its soundtrack

[cunning iris]

You will still be using it a lot in DOOM II but sometimes it's better to swap to the single if you're dealing with a lone demon or something
No need to waste the extra ammo when you don't need it

[floral marlin]

I mean whenever I decide to play doom ill likely be playing some gaze or alt

that goes for every game I play

[cunning iris]

Besides those two things...just have fun with it
Play at your own pace, explore as much as you want (you will be rewarded for doing so)

[uncut dagger]

No you need the soundtrack, it is literally the greatest video game music ever and a huge part of the appeal

[floral marlin]

unless its like undertale or a rhythm game I will play with its og audio

[cunning iris]

Yes

[floral marlin]

undertale specifically cuz the ost is legendary

[cunning iris]

I like DOOM a lot but it's not my favorite game by any stretch
You're allowed to like DOOM and not make it your entire personality, dw

[floral marlin]

yeah? doom doesnt have to be you top game of all time

[uncut dagger]

DOOM OST is also legendary, trust me and everyone else

[floral marlin]

undertale tho...

[uncut dagger]

Just give it a shot with the in game soundtrack, please

[floral marlin]

if it is 2016 ost then sure, otherwise undertale is better imo

[cunning iris]

Nah this place is usually pretty chill as long as you're respectful of your opinions and aren't trying to speak like your word is fact

[prime sand]

TF2 spotted

[floral marlin]

I mean i used to be a cringe doom fan and watched doomguy bot all day. now im "normal" and uh... I play whatever games idk

cringe as in spamming doom memes and corny jokes all day

[uncut dagger]

So which DOOM games have you played so far?

[wise lark]

miau

[floral marlin]

every game

why?

[wise lark]

what

[floral marlin]

my favorite doom game is doom 2 rpg

[ivory ravine]

Hello all

[wise lark]

relatable

[cunning iris]

Heyo LM

[wise lark]

Hai LM!!!

[uncut dagger]

Oh I thought you meant this as in when you decided to play in the future

[ivory ravine]

How is everyone today?

[wise lark]

miau

[floral marlin]

no lol I played every game already gng

ive been here for a long time now

[ivory ravine]

You'll get used to it. Indi is great

[cunning iris]

Wishing it wasn't Sunday night </3
Otherwise good, just finished some gaming and eating now

[wise lark]

what did I do man

[uncut dagger]

Like Arnold Schwarzenegger

[ripe girder]

@lusty basalt feels super good that’s for sure

[floral marlin]

ew ai

[wise lark]

true

[ripe girder]

No ai evil

[wise lark]

I'm not that great...

[ivory ravine]

Troll better

[lusty basalt]

hell yeah! do mind if I ask what it's about?

[uncut dagger]

Blake is always the best

[ripe girder]

I currently have a normal 5.5 x 8.5 book

And I just ordered a proof copy for a 8,5 x 11 inch book with large font. Since I want a large font edition as well

[ivory ravine]

disagree

[ripe girder]

Accessibility is importantly

[wise lark]

I love Blake so much it is unreal

[prime sand]

https://tenor.com/view/false-that's-false-true-fake-not-true-gif-7463876790346893009

[wise lark]

I have no idea why I like her so much I just kind of attached to her when I started watching

[uncut dagger]

And Yang?

[lusty basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/the-batman-starwarsdude-true-gif-7266112863376875927

[wise lark]

Yang's also really cool

[prime sand]

David Levy is my personal favourite thing from RWBY

[uncut dagger]

It is a cool crossover

[cunning iris]

You can listen to anything with DOOM
You can even have 2000s white girl music if you really wanted too lol
Play how you want, there's no law saying you have to play this series a specific way

[floral marlin]

any music is good just as long as you like it

[uncut dagger]

But David Levy was barely involved with the actual series

[cunning iris]

But yeah bass stuff could probably work pretty well, to answer your question more specifically

[misty ridge]

:3

[uncut dagger]

I can’t believe this, people putting on their own music while playing DOOM

[floral marlin]

its not an odditie, sometimes you just want your own music while gaming

[uncut dagger]

I do that for other FPS games, but never DOOM

[prime sand]

Chat is busy today! Nice to see!

[ripe girder]

This main series is a fantasy one. But my goal is a fully living breathing world. Some characters may appear for a bit, and they get their own books with their own things. Some stuff may seem to not “end” on the main series, but is continued in another. I also want a chronological world with a few events told from many perspectives. Let’s say a town is destroyed in a book. Another may have someone hear about a town being destroyed. Another book may be the perspective of someone in the town. Another may show the ruins of a town. Children that appear in the main series should have grown up by later books and have their own parts and stories to tell. Towns will grow and expand

[misty ridge]

Hi lev!

[floral marlin]

hi LVRH

[ivory ravine]

LV I see you

[prime sand]

Thats spooky

[cunning iris]

Yes even 21 pilots lol

Listen to whatever your heart desires

[uncut dagger]

When a chef makes great food, you don’t discard it. Gordon, Levy, Hulshult, and Finishing Move all cooked deliciously

[cunning iris]

Unless you don't like that food, but at that point it's your fault for ordering it

[floral marlin]

I dont think I ever told you but my prefered name is liv, I won't throw hands nor do I care very much, but just a heads up 💜

[ripe girder]

That main fantasy world so far has about 5 different series planned. ( some being longer than others)

Aside from that I have around 15 other book ideas and concepts I’m working on for stuff not in that fantasy world

[misty ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[cunning iris]

Listen to all of it! Nothing wrong with that

[misty ridge]

I have been saying lev for like for ever

[floral marlin]

one time this person ordered a plain cheeseburger and got mad at me cuz apparently they didnt like that it was plain

I was like "sir YOU ordered the burger plain"

[cunning iris]

Your fault bozo

[ripe girder]

U misunderstood. A plane burger needs wings

[cunning iris]

Ok well that's what redbulls are for

[misty ridge]

Damn…

[plucky tide]

can you put sauce on a redbull though to give it saucy wings?

[uncut dagger]

With alien blood sauce

[cunning iris]

Sure why not

Fire elem damage wings

[floral marlin]

like I said, I dont care enough to correct anyone if it happens, ive been "lev" for most of my time here and I dont blame anyone if they just keep calling me that 💜

[floral marlin]

aw my bad, let me attatch some wings and a jet

[misty ridge]

Good to know

[cunning iris]

Don't hurt your eyes smh

[misty ridge]

Ok

[floral marlin]

LVRH how is cr going for you

[cunning iris]

Hmm
There's some glasses you can get to help with screen light, maybe look into those then?

[misty ridge]

Yeah uuuh fuck that shit (I totally am nor addicted or anything)

[cunning iris]

If you can't stop you may as well lessen the effect

[lusty basalt]

that's awesome as hell man!! any chance I could grab a copy sometime?

[floral marlin]

I deleted the game and my life has been better since (100% recommended)

[misty ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-mog-gif-17243259700056727157

Damn

[floral marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/suisei-星街すいせい-ホロライブ-hoshimachi-suisei-hololive-gif-17169669302658418474

[cunning iris]

Or that lol

[uncut dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-gif-23805674
Me listening to DOOM metal in the car

[cunning iris]

Yeeah the bot will cut you off if you spam links (not just gifs) too fast, so be wary of that

[ripe girder]

Hmmm possibly. I haven't fully published it yet as im still working on the cover art

Im doing all writing. Editing. artwork. And publishing myself

[remote schooner]

Hey

[ripe girder]

But its also attached to my name ao I need to be selective of who I show it off too outside of people I know

@prime sand its a proof copy so I pay the company to print and ship it to me

@remote schooner Not something to ask here

[remote schooner]

Okay

[uncut dagger]

I think this dude is from the 1800s

[lusty basalt]

that sounds like a lot of work, but also very rewarding! if you're ever comfortable sharing I'd love to support your work and grab a copy

[uncut dagger]

I haven’t heard the term telegram in centuries

[prime sand]

ahhh I see.. Tell me when the book releases 🙏

[ripe girder]

Sure! I’ll let you know once it’s out.

[floral marlin]

I mean telegrams are cool

[ripe girder]

IDEALLY I wanna aim before the summer, but it also depends on how I can make the cover art

Because while I am pretty good at drawing ( if I do say so myself) when it comes to drawing without a guide I just freeze

Like I can follow art tutorials quite well. But drawing my own vision? Thats tough

[lusty basalt]

take your time man (unless you're under publisher deadlines lol). definitely don't wanna rush it

[ripe girder]

Nah thankfully I will be self publishing. All my own pace ( and cheaper)

[lusty basalt]

definitely cheaper

[uncut dagger]

Should I get henna at some point to copy Davoth’s back tattoos?

[ripe girder]

An example of a tutorial I followed

[lusty basalt]

that's very pleasant!

[ripe girder]

Nice!

[lusty basalt]

could always follow several tutorials that fit your needs. put your own spin on the general lessons taught, combine them into one image

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-skateboarding-skateboard-cool-gif-13538283951317993041

type shit

[ripe girder]

That’s definitely one of my plans for sure

[uncut dagger]

You know, I’m not a Scream fan but I would love to see a horror comedy where Ghostface skates on a chainsaw

[ripe girder]

I also intend for a few different things.
1 standard book
2 large font edition. ( I want people with low vision to enjoy too)
And my own illustrated editions much later ( afterall if I eventually do years of artwork why not make my own illustrated editions)

[cunning iris]

Go for it Jack Garland

[clever plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-hello-chat-here's-johnny-doom-slayer-doom-marine-gif-6132403173794421933

[ripe girder]

Happy birthday!

[clever plinth]

I've turned 20 today

[clever plinth]

Thx :D

[spice brook]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

also happy birthday lol

[clever plinth]

Yuuup. This is actually how i felt when i thought about it lmao

[clever plinth]

Thx my man

[lusty basalt]

an illustrated edition would be sick as hell, I hope you get the chance to do that eventually. love that kinda stuff personally

[lusty basalt]

happy birthday bro

[clever plinth]

Ty

[floral marlin]

happy birthday

[misty ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/albert-wesker-dodging-bullets-albert-wesker-wesker-wesker-dodging-bullets-dodging-gif-13020142885880178741

[floral marlin]

haha I dodge

[misty ridge]

Happy b day!

[clever plinth]

Thx

[misty ridge]

Wesker my goat is just like tht

[clever plinth]

Didn't expect so many to say it lmao. Ty

[prime sand]

Happy Birthday!!

[clever plinth]

Thx my man

[misty ridge]

Oop wrong gif

[clever plinth]

The pc upgrades i talked about yesterday you could say was like an early birthday gift for myself so you could say i blessed myself with getting to see doom the dark ages in all its glory finally

For anyone curious, the graphicscard i bought was an rtx 5060TI

[prime sand]

DAMN

[wise lark]

:3

[clever plinth]

Should make running doom at higher graphic levels a bit easier... hopefully lol

[wise lark]

To be honest the only time I ever really listened to the doom soundtracks was outside of the games in my own time
I always had some other music blasting in my ears when I played

[spice brook]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-suspicious-puppet-gif-2729624127692369191

[ivory ravine]

@livid tinsel Knock it off with the brainrot

[clever plinth]

Funny enough. My old one which was an rtx 2060 already could run doom eternal at almost max graphical settings while still getting near perfect frames. Doom tda on the other hand wouldn't even get close to perfect frames even on the lowest graphical settings

[wise lark]

ok

[ivory ravine]

👍

[spice brook]

sounds like a fantastic plan

[wise lark]

raytracing moment or something idk

[spice brook]

graphics moment

[clever plinth]

Yeah. Have never really had raytracing in games because my pc couldn't handle it. On the box for the new one, one of the top things it mentions is raytracing so it's bound to work here now

[misty ridge]

That pretty gud

[clever plinth]

Indeed

[misty ridge]

Better than my integrated

[uncut dagger]

Even on your first play through?

[wise lark]

yeah...

I've only ever really played through the doom games once

[uncut dagger]

But why though

The music is one of the best parts

[wise lark]

Uhhhh

Honestly I have zero idea

[uncut dagger]

You missed out, maybe at some point you can replay them with the right music on

[wise lark]

maybe one day

[uncut dagger]

I mean for example, not hearing Unholy Siege in game is a travesty

[queen hill]

hi

[wise lark]

which one is that again...?

[uncut dagger]

The one that plays during Siege Part I and II

[wise lark]

Ohh is that in TDA

Or one of the eternal dlcs

[uncut dagger]

Yes The Dark Ages. But really every track is great and makes for awesome moments

[wise lark]

I've barely played TDA, when I did it was like 12 am and muted, and I only beat the first level I think

[uncut dagger]

Well there you go, you can play that one with the soundtrack

[wise lark]

if I can like
run it on anything yeah

[uncut dagger]

Also if you don’t want to replay the games again or you can’t play TDA, I made YouTube videos on every DOOM mission with the music loud enough to properly hear, link is in my About Me

[wise lark]

shameless self plug... jk jk

I'm not all too interested in DOOM anymore after my playthroughs of 2016 and Eternal where I 100%ed everything, I got... oddly bored
I might try TDA in the future if I'm able to

[uncut dagger]

They don’t get a ton of views usually, I made them mostly for myself so I can relive the experience whenever I want

I just think you deserve to see how awesomely the music pairs with the gameplay

[vale ermine]

hello!

[delicate ravine]

Aloha

[wise lark]

hewo

omg brisket

[vale ermine]

brisket indeed

[faint ivy]

holy bread

limp brizket

[prime sand]

Yooo it's Mako!

[pearl mango]

morning!

[prime sand]

Morning Marshall! How ya doing?

[pearl mango]

I'm doing good, just woke up so I'm half asleep lol

[delicate ravine]

???

[clever plinth]

wha

[sturdy forge]

whats yall fave gun in dark ages?

[ivory ravine]

Or just refrain from derogatory words and it'll be ok

[buoyant egret]

Nail gun is beefy

This is not an 18+ server so choose your words more delicately. You can be unhappy with a company and talk about it in a civilised manner

[green summit]

nailgun? in my doom game?

this is unacceptable

[buoyant egret]

It’s a gun that shoots nails; nail gun

[clever plinth]

fuck. they're allowed

[tranquil apex]

Am i the only one who thinks the doom 3 npcs look like Tim Sweeney

[clever plinth]

ngl i kinda see it

[uncut dagger]

And the Carcass looks like Sydney Sweeney

[pale elm]

That’s rather cruel to the Carcass

[uncut dagger]

Kind of droopy face, always naked, ugly on the inside

[median sandal]

Hi

[little harness]

Nintendo is like that one rich kid who has massive ego

[little harness]

Is n word allowed

[clever plinth]

what do you think

[thorn egret]

they occasionally make very good games

i love Nintendo games

[plucky tide]

they make good games and underpowered shitty consoles since the Wii U!

[clever plinth]

Define "underpowered"

[plucky tide]

which was unironically my favorite nintendo console

[plucky tide]

the switch is underpowered and complete garbage i’d argue for what ur paying its waste

[clever plinth]

With playing big 3rd party games or playing 1st party nintendo games? Also, have you tried the switch 2?

[plucky tide]

and the switch 2 was made to fix the switch 1’s problems, which, it somewhat did

but with a $450 price tag

[clever plinth]

The switch 2 is just a better switch. It's expensive but if there's a game on it you would like to play then i'd recommend it. If not then i'd say wait until there is one

[plucky tide]

i mean switch 2 is literally just the switch if it wasn’t a piece of garbage

i find it hard to ever justify the $450 you are paying for the switch 2, even as a nintendo fan

[clever plinth]

I wouldn't call the switch a "piece of garbage" it's only weaker than other consoles when it comes to really big 3rd party games

[plucky tide]

yeah except the switch’s first few games were wii u exclusives

[clever plinth]

Good games made better on a better console. I personally don't see the issue with that

The wii u sold insanely poorly. The switch is one of the best selling consoles of all time

[plucky tide]

they ditched the wii u, a fairly okay console by all standards and id argue better than the switch, bc it was a marketing flop, and pushed the switch, a underpowered, really weirdly built, annoying console that they somehow made an oled version of with zero hardware upgrades

Switch was hot ass in my opinion and I did not like owning one, i enjoyed my wii u and still can enjoy it

i just wish nintendo would stop making dumb hybrid home handhelds and either commit to one or the other; they’ve done fine on both ends of the board

[clever plinth]

How was the switch weirdly built? Surely being able to play handheld and on the tv with one console is pretty good, isn't it?

[plucky tide]

shitty controller; shitty pro controller also (a bunch of specifics that don’t matter), the dock is fine in concept if it wasn’t just a performance booster for a console that can barely run games on 30fps including first party titles, to give it a small quality boost and zero performance boost even though it’s apparently supposed to; also i don’t think the switch was commonly played on a TV that much

720p -> 1080p 30fps is just, bad. and they had it for 8 years prior to the switch 2’s release

on top of that, the switch lite exists, which half fixed a og switch issue

and the oled is just a bigger switch 1 with an oled screen, and the still abysmal performance

[clever plinth]

I played it on the tv mostly unless i took it with me on trips. It also ran fine for me. I didn't notice many issues. And i notice even less with my switch 2. I also like the pro controller personally. I have 2 of 'em and got a switch 2 pro controller today as a birthday gift from my dad. I like 'em

[plucky tide]

nintendo did everything fine for marketing and absolutely bombed everywhere else

in my honest opinion the switch is the worst thing nintendo ever released

and now I wait for the switch 2 to become remotely worth the price it should be, anywhere under $400

[clever plinth]

You and i both know that is never happening

[plucky tide]

sales, used market etc

[clever plinth]

It's the switch 2. I bought mine for 7000kr aka $700. That thing gonna stay expensive for a while

[plucky tide]

i’m not paying $450 for a handheld ps4 pro when i can go and buy another handheld for an extra $50 that has a bigger library, and better specs across the board

[clever plinth]

No one's forcing you to

[plucky tide]

and better quality if that were an issue which rarely is not

[clever plinth]

If you don't want it, don't buy it. Simple as that

[uncut dagger]

If I had to pair every DOOM song with its parallel DOOM Eternal song:
Rip & Tear = The Super Gore Nest
At Doom’s Gate = S.O.S. from Earth
Rust, Dust & Guts = Metal Hell
Hellwalker = DOOM Eternal
Flesh & Metal = Hell on Earth
BFG Division = Meathook
Transistor Fist = DOOM Hunted
Cyberdemon = Gladiator
SkullHacker = BFG 10k
Vega Core = Mars Core

[turbid rock]

Nobody appreciates the DOOM 3 theme

[clever plinth]

I like it

[turbid rock]

The main menu theme song is so awesome!

[uncut dagger]

Yeah, it’s an album in Eternal and it’s not bad for sure, probably the best thing to come from Doom 3

[clever plinth]

Recently bought the bundle with every doom game so eventually gonna play through doom 3 to see where i actually stand with it. I've been a bit on the fence on it with it not being as much ripping and tearing as the others

[cunning iris]

Just go into it with an open mind
DOOM 3 is really good and is sort of a realization of what DOOM couldn't do before because of hardware limitations

[minor thunder]

hi guys offtopic question why are the mancubi so fat why only them

[uncut dagger]

I tried to play it for the first time the other day, the first 10 minutes are very boring with no combat and felt like Halo, I gave up about 20 minutes in to the game when I realized the combat was not fun

[uncut dagger]

Read their codex

[minor thunder]

ok

[turbid rock]

Been recently playing it - and I'm a DOOM super fan - and it's been a blast, it's such a fun game

[clever plinth]

That's the plan. I may not be a fan of horror but i can be convinced. I'll give it its time of day

[cunning iris]

I'm not a huge horror guy either but I loved 3, it's my favorite one

There's definitely something special about it

[uncut dagger]

I think the only way to enjoy Doom 3 is to tell your self it’s just a horror game and not a DOOM game

[turbid rock]

Well it's both honestly

[uncut dagger]

So don’t expect any DOOM past the main menu

[clever plinth]

I got the bfg edition too which i hear is easier

[uncut dagger]

Or you will be sorely disappointed

[cunning iris]

Aaah yeah it is

[minor thunder]

doom 3 gave us fat squidward so im happy for that

[cunning iris]

BFG is fine but if you get the chance, the original 2004 release is the best way to play it

[clever plinth]

I don't lmao. I know already doom 3 ain't doom

[turbid rock]

I like BFG

[cunning iris]

DOOM 3 is def still a DOOM game

[uncut dagger]

Not in spirit, feel or vibe

[cunning iris]

Oh I'm not saying it's bad, just a bit of a weird remaster ig

[uncut dagger]

Just in title really

[clever plinth]

I'mma play the original first

[cunning iris]

Nah it's DOOM in most aspects but that's not a discussion I'm willing to have with you

[uncut dagger]

In concept maybe

[cunning iris]

Def!!!
Original DOOM 3 rules

[clever plinth]

I'm willing to have it. I'm interested

[minor thunder]

y are doom 3 designs drastically different then other game designs (if this sounds stupid its bcuh i only hav eternal)

[uncut dagger]

It is technically an FPS game about demons with Doom in the title

[clever plinth]

Doom 3 went more for horror than the others

[clever plinth]

True. Funny how it's called doom 3 while it isn't really doom 3. It isn't considered a title in the canon timeline

[cunning iris]

DOOM 3 feels closer to the classic games than the nudoom games do, from the key hunting to how it handles combat where you aren't some demigod
You're just fighting for survival first and foremost

[minor thunder]

idk the original mancubus is probably more horror then fat squidward, other designs tho they are horrorish so fair point

[uncut dagger]

The cyclopian mancubus?

[minor thunder]

as in the doom 3 mancubus with that tentacle thingie on its mouth

[uncut dagger]

Some of the cooler demon designs do look like they could be from a horror game, like the prowler and pain elemental

[wanton shale]

hai guys! im in gym class right now! jdk if i can tslk for long thi

[clever plinth]

The classic games went for ripping and tearing tho. They weren't scary or horror-like in the slightest. I'd say the game that captures the classic's feel the most is doom the dark ages

Mostly in how you play around the enemies

[solar herald]

:D

[uncut dagger]

That’s what’s cool about DOOM, it takes dark subject matter that is usually reserved for horror and turns it into something fun and awesome

[cunning iris]

DOOM has always had some degree or horror influence, whether it be in the music (listen to tracks like 'Suspense) or in the general mood of dark corridors with doors that'd open behind you, or flesh covered walls of hell

[minor thunder]

my dad used to play doom 2 does he know elite ball

[cunning iris]

It's never been explicitly horror, true, but the aspects are all there

[clever plinth]

True. I like how instead of you fearing the monster, the monster fears you. And it dives into dark themes without implementing too much horror

[uncut dagger]

Exactly, it’s like reverse horror

[uncut dagger]

This guy gets DOOM

[clever plinth]

I love games that make the enemy fear you. Doom nails this. Especially tda. Tda is my fav doom

[minor thunder]

guys how different do you think the modern trilogy would be if doom slayer was still doom guy (as in a regular space/doom marine)

[uncut dagger]

And don’t forget the occasional DOOM humor as well

[clever plinth]

[clever plinth]

Doom slayer repeatedly pressing the BFG button because baby want boom lmao

[uncut dagger]

Yeah totally

“Would you like me to disable the safety protocols?”

[clever plinth]

Probably not very different in terms of how they play. Would only affect the story

[cunning iris]

We probably wouldn't have most of the movement options or glory kills
Which would be fun because they'd feel more like DOOM but on the other hand nudooms gameplay identity relies on those so...

[uncut dagger]

Wow, this guy does not get DOOM

[cunning iris]

You can say that all you want but that won't mean it's true

[minor thunder]

breaking necks and stuff on imps would still be possible no?

and more demons

[cunning iris]

Probably for the weaker stuff sure

I don't think you're gonna be seeing him do that sort of stuff on bigger things like a cyberdemon tho

[clever plinth]

Doom is all about ripping demons apart and making them fear your power. One man against the armies of hell. Can't really have that if he didn't get that power. He's skilled, but if he never got the divinity machine, he would've died by now

[uncut dagger]

The Slayer, the DOOM Marine, The Beast, The Hellwalker, the Demon Chiropractor

[minor thunder]

he's gonna do it on cyberdemons too with plot armor he's simply him like keep in mind he killed the icon of sin as a regular guy who's angry

[cunning iris]

We did have that with DOOM 1 and 2
You don't need to be some drugged up demigod to still fight for humanity, you can still win through sheer willpower

[uncut dagger]

It’s a little less realistic to glory kill a tyrant without some enhancement though

[cunning iris]

Which is why I said that part probably wouldn't exist, yeah

[minor thunder]

how different would doom be if daisy the rabbit used 2% more of her power

[opaque crater]

Perhaps, but doom doesn't have much realism anyway

[cunning iris]

Also very true

[opaque crater]

Besides doomguy has done some crazy shit despite seemingly being "just a guy"

[uncut dagger]

It has enough realism to be pretty believable in a science fiction way

[opaque crater]

Also true

[minor thunder]

i wonder why doomguy was called doomguy canonically not doomcoolnameoverhere or sum is he just the guy

[delicate ravine]

he's a guy

[minor thunder]

true

[delicate ravine]

His backstory and history wasnt important in the original games

It helps you better imagine yourself as doomguy that way

[minor thunder]

fair

[opaque crater]

It's a name given by the fans

[minor thunder]

oh didnt know that

[opaque crater]

Cuz he's the guy from doom

[minor thunder]

mb

[turbid rock]

Weird but overall solid remaster IMO. I think that it's still a solid DOOM title and that it has all the trademarks and signatures of a badass DOOM experience, the fact that we saw how truly dangerous and how much of a nightmare it would be if we were invaded by demons is the right adrenaline rush.

[cunning iris]

Mhm
It's still fun in a more actiony way since you have more ammo to play around with, but it does take away a lot of the tone DOOM 3 is supposed to have as a result

Double edged sword, I guess

[turbid rock]

The main protagonist being another marine is a good change of pace. Finally. Someone new who isn't the Doom Slayer, not that he's a bad main protagonist, it's just that he's just fleshed out so much that there isn't much to learn about the Doom Slayer really much, honestly

[cunning iris]

Tbf the doomslayer wasn't a thing yet, but yeah it was nice to see them keeping the trend of protags being "just some marine" who still managed to survive
DOOM 3 gave us 3 of them even

I'll take that over the chosen one demigod prophecy whatever any day

[turbid rock]

The Doom Survivor is what I'd call the main protagonist in D3.

[minor thunder]

i'd call the main protagonist in doom 3 doomguyguy because he's also the guy from doom so thats doomguy but doomguy is already taken, im smart guys rite

[cunning iris]

He gets a name in the novel I believe but I forget what it is off the top of my head
I see "Doom Marine" used for him a lot too

[wise lark]

Miau

[cunning iris]

Doomguy, doom marine, and later doomslayer (even if he's still the same character as guy)

[wise lark]

Doom I, II and 64 are doomguy
D3 is Doom Marine
TDA - Eternal are Slayer

[turbid rock]

If the Doomguy is called the Doom Slayer then the Doom Marine deserves such a title like the Doom Survivor.

[cunning iris]

Could work too

[turbid rock]

Honestly I'd fuck with a DOOM 3 sequel anytime.

[cunning iris]

God I'd love that so much

[turbid rock]

Dude imagine both the Doom Slayer and the Doom Survivor fighting together! Epic battle of the century!

[uncut dagger]

Or the Demon Chiropractor

[cunning iris]

Though I don't know if I trust current id to pull that off tbh

[uncut dagger]

The hell? They’re doing fantastic

[cunning iris]

They're much better at action than they are atmosphere

[turbid rock]

I don't know, they still got the sauce!

[uncut dagger]

But they are still great at atmosphere

Remember Exultia, for example?

[cunning iris]

If you're referencing TDA I haven't played that one yet

I'm waiting for more of a price drop + the dlcs to release

[uncut dagger]

That’s the second mission of Eternal, supposed fellow DOOM fan

[cunning iris]

Calm down, I've only played eternal once lol

[turbid rock]

Still a good DOOM title, and the experimenting with the formula is much appreciated so DOOM doesn't become stale

[uncut dagger]

How can you possibly judge ID’s recent work if you haven’t played much of it?

[cunning iris]

I judge based on what I have played and remember from it, that's...that's how opinions work

[turbid rock]

I have played quite a lot of it

[minor thunder]

i've only played 1 doom game and its driving me mentally insane im obsessed

[plucky tide]

i’ve played every mainline doom, and i hate the most popular ones by far lol

[uncut dagger]

Yeah The Dark Ages is a massively great game and is better than 99% of the FPS genre

[turbid rock]

I think people are tired of tactical shooters and DOOM is the cure for that fatigue

[uncut dagger]

ID Software is the best at what they do by far

[plucky tide]

i mean I like tactical shooters

[uncut dagger]

Isn’t Eternal a tactical shooter though, with demon weaknesses?

[plucky tide]

but granted, I haven’t been able to play them at all cause my
pc broke at the worst time possible

[turbid rock]

Lately it's been thrown into the shitter, I hate what Activision did to COD

[minor thunder]

spicy take i dont like any fps shooter other then doom cuz most of them are competitive and competitive games are exactly what drive me absolutely insane

[uncut dagger]

Using different tactics against different enemy types seems like tactical to me

[turbid rock]

Nah, it's still a brutal shooter

[plucky tide]

eternal is the most competitive doom game we’ve had due to its extremely high learning curve

[uncut dagger]

It’s fun to learn it though

[minor thunder]

okay then uhhhjhhhh i dont like any fps shooter other then doom because its singleplayer and theres no one i can get mad to except for myself

[plucky tide]

i would disagree as I spent hours learning that stuff and I don’t even play Eternal anymore

[turbid rock]

But what about Duke Nukem, Quake and Quake II, DUSK, AMID EVIL, Heretic + Hexen, and even ULTRAKILL?

[turbid rock]

They aren't competitive at all

[minor thunder]

havent played but ultrakill i might consider getting

[uncut dagger]

Prodeus, Painkiller, Metal: Hellsinger as well

[plucky tide]

ultrakill is the exact same thing unfortunately except way worse at its craft imo

[wise lark]

Improvise adapt overcome

[turbid rock]

I'd recommend them for just a fun, awesome time

[minor thunder]

but parrying

[wise lark]

Prodeus and Hellsinger, so based.,.,

[plucky tide]

parrying is like not all that great of a thing, TDA is the only game ik that has done parry well for a casual audience

[uncut dagger]

Indi do you know how to define a tactical shooter? I have never gotten a clear definition, and I trust you

[wise lark]

Like Siege or Counterstrike? Idk

[minor thunder]

mgrr does parrying good too

[uncut dagger]

Anybody else then?

[minor thunder]

i think

[plucky tide]

that game sucks ngl i hate it

[minor thunder]

gr

[uncut dagger]

What the hell even is a tactical shooter?

[urban aurora]

huh?

[wise lark]

I've become numb to parrying being a feature in games

[urban aurora]

something happen?

[ivory ravine]

Keep the preaching out of here please

[uncut dagger]

Some religious BS, caught it immediately

[plucky tide]

if it’s one thing i hate it’s the pure amount of god awful brutally difficult games i get recommended

[urban aurora]

damn

[uncut dagger]

I tried Armored Core and I couldn’t get past the tutorial

[modest stream]

Armored Core slaps

[plucky tide]

i’ve had like 6 ppl recommend me elden ring and it’s my least favorite game of all time

[wise lark]

I don't think I've played many difficult games

[urban aurora]

game so hard it turns you into that journal that tried cuphead

[plucky tide]

anything made by fromsoft i am not a fan of cause it does not appeal to me at all and gamers get ego from playing a souls and think they’re hot shit

[uncut dagger]

You’ve got to ease the player into difficulty over time so it’s balanced, something that DOOM has mastered

[wise lark]

I don't think Dark Souls or Cuphead counts

[modest stream]

Ready or Not is tactical shooter

[plucky tide]

the best example ngl

ready or not is pretty fun

[uncut dagger]

I don’t need examples, I need explanations and definitions

[urban aurora]

does ultrakill count? i kinda suck at it but i can p rank stuff in standard no problem

[plucky tide]

ultrakill isn’t exactly hard

[urban aurora]

one of my friends play that game a lot

[wise lark]

I think the game has a somewhat good difficulty curve

[urban aurora]

yeah, not bad difficulty curve

[plucky tide]

that’s why i’m waiting on these upcoming action hack and slashes so steam can stop recommending me souls slop

[sullen yarrow]

I personally don't care for definitions or "objective" reasons or whatever, if I play a game and I like it, I just like it. I had a blast with Wolf2 even if people give it shit for the regenerating health and overall 'generic' feel

[wise lark]

True!

[plucky tide]

i mean i usually am the same way but nowadays it’s nothing but hard games being dropped and really trying to voice your opinions about games really pisses ppl for

[wise lark]

Tbh the only Fromsoft games I like is the Dark Sos trilogy, I think ER and Bloodborne are kind of overrated (especially bloodborne I think it's genuinely the least fun I've ever had playing a game)

[modest stream]

Well typically a definition of one is something that makes you take into consideration stuff like angles, ability to judge and read a scenario and act on it accordingly, taking into consideration your position in relation to other parts of a space or room, etc

[uncut dagger]

I feel like DOOM Eternal is pretty tactical because of enemy weaknesses to different weapons, but I have no idea if it is a tactical shooter

[modest stream]

Slower more methodical play.

[uncut dagger]

That kind of sounds like any FPS game, including DOOM

[plucky tide]

i like ds1 but i am not going to ever finish it i think souls is the most overrated modern gaming genre ever

[modest stream]

Not really.

[urban aurora]

it be kinda cool if modern doom dips its toes to boomer shooter genre

[wise lark]

Idk if this is my ego or whatever talking but idk if they're really that hard
A lot of it is just practicing and adapting or coming back later

[nocturne iris]

No

[plucky tide]

yeah this is what everyone says

except that’s just not the case at all

[cunning iris]

Souls games difficulty is up to the player

[nocturne iris]

It is

[wise lark]

The games can be hard yes

[wise lark]

This yeah

[modest stream]

A tactical shooter doesn’t let you run around and shoot stuff as you please. You make a mistake and that usually means you’re dead. You’re not protected from your mistakes.

[plucky tide]

souls games genuinely piss me off more than some other games have

you make a mistake you get set back 45 minutes in a playthrough

[uncut dagger]

So they suck then?

[cunning iris]

It's why souls games don't have easy or hard modes (or most rpgs)
The player decides how comfortable they want the experience to be

[modest stream]

lol what?

[plucky tide]

and somehow saying i hate souls games does not stop people from recommending them

[uncut dagger]

Are any DOOM games considered tactical FPS?

[modest stream]

Not at all

[plucky tide]

i’d argue doom 3 is the closest

[modest stream]

I’d make this an exception

[clever plinth]

the closest is doom 3

[plucky tide]

i would also say TDA but i’d say no

[urban aurora]

doom 1 is tactical!

[clever plinth]

no. not at all

[plucky tide]

feels more like classic doom than eternal

[plucky tide]

just my experience

[modest stream]

Tactical FPS are games like Tarkov, Siege, Ready or Not, etc. When you hear Tactical FPS, it’s focused more on realistic aspects.

[clever plinth]

tda is on par with eternal in terms of speed if you're skilled enough. it just has more focused combat instead of flying about the place switching guns like a maniac

[uncut dagger]

Yeah, and if it’s slow as well that sounds awful

[modest stream]

Matter of opinion.

[clever plinth]

yeah nah i personally am not a fan of tactical shooters. i prefer speed

[plucky tide]

i disagree heavily

[uncut dagger]

Putting too many player limitations in your FPS game is just bad design

[plucky tide]

dark ages is much slower than eternal and much more bearable than playing eternal

[modest stream]

That doesn’t make a whole niche of FPS games bad though?

[clever plinth]

what is there to disagree with? it's factual. it may not look like it but they are similar in speed

[uncut dagger]

It really isn’t slower

[sullen yarrow]

EpicSquid has a specific taste in gaming

[clever plinth]

yeah and it aligns pretty well with mine

[plucky tide]

if i say this about souls im just wrong so i could see why u think this

[uncut dagger]

I am a connoisseur of the FPS genre now, if you will

[turbid rock]

DOOM (2016) is true FPS peak and I cannot express how much I miss playing it for the first time

[sullen yarrow]

NuDOOM connoisseur

[plucky tide]

tactical shooters r fun but definitely aren’t common

[clever plinth]

now i'm curious. opinion on splitgate? (the new one that is)

[thorn egret]

heavy metal connoisseur

[plucky tide]

for everyone to really get into

[uncut dagger]

That too

[clever plinth]

2016 is the weakest of the 3 imo but it's still pretty good

[modest stream]

But you outright say Tactical FPS games are inherently bad because you can’t sprint around and gun everything down? You don’t like strategic thinking or gameplay?

[plucky tide]

it’s a fairly niche genre on its own

[turbid rock]

How. DARE. You.

Treason, someone glory kill him /j

[uncut dagger]

Yes, speedy gameplay can still be strategic

[plucky tide]

as we haven’t had any modern titles since escape from tarkov was in beta

[clever plinth]

i wouldn't say it's bad. just not to my taste. i prefer fast-paced fps gameplay

[clever plinth]

[thorn egret]

FPS games work best when you are given the opportunity to pick your fights

[modest stream]

Not in the same way, but sure.

[turbid rock]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-razer-doom-doom-eternal-doom-doom-slayer-doom-4-gif-7312888909463134415

[plucky tide]

i prefer gameplay that does not kick my ass and force me to give thousands of attempts into every fight or boss

[clever plinth]

easy mode exists for most games

[sullen yarrow]

I think every hard video game should take notes from Rayman 1 and accidentally fuck over a core gameplay mechanic that completely destroys the entire gameplay

Just for fun!

[cunning iris]

FF1 having half it's spells just not work right

[thorn egret]

i don't understand

[plucky tide]

and games that dont exist and they’re the main ones i get told to play

[minor thunder]

speaking of easy mode developers should make game journalist mode and its where all enemies deal 0.1% damage, stand there and wait for death, unlimited weapon ammo, +100 hp regen per second

[sullen yarrow]

Rayman 1 has a lower jump than the developers intended (which is agonizing because this is a platformer)

[plucky tide]

like i want to play a game where hit boxes fucking are jank and give enemies advantages

[thorn egret]

heh—??

[plucky tide]

NES moment

[uncut dagger]

Haven’t heard of it, I’ll have to look into that

[clever plinth]

iirc the spider-man games have a mode there you literally cannot die. you can essentially achieve the same thing on doom eternal with easy mode and cheat codes

[clever plinth]

you'll find a gold mine of stuff, i'll tell ya that

[plucky tide]

yeah but eternal is just not hard at all unless ur playing on higher difficulties, the game has a balanced difficulty pace

till the end, least for the base game

[sullen yarrow]

The early 2010s Spider-Man games are piss easy, the super turbo omega hard mode is legitimately a breeze

[plucky tide]

now nightmare and higher i can’t speak for

[clever plinth]

true. i only really play nightmare so not really experienced with the lower difficulties

[clever plinth]

i was more speaking of the insomniac games but the early 2010s work too

[minor thunder]

i play ultra violence bcuz im not a wimp so screw the base difficulty but then again its my first playthrough so nightmare would have me end up in an asylum

[plucky tide]

i think difficulty options should still be a standard not a luxury idk why people crumble when ppl say they want difficulty options in a game

[sullen yarrow]

Oh yeah no I figured lol I just wanna add onto that

[cunning iris]

There's nothing wrong with easy modes but if you add a mode where you can't die or makes everything a cakewalk then at that point the player just needs to accept the game isn't for them

[clever plinth]

i played nightmare on my first run of doom eternal because a friend told me to so i just got used to it from that

[sullen yarrow]

Evil friend

[plucky tide]

well yeah, I ain’t asking for that, really just a mode where it’s not you playing for300 hours and still ain’t done with the game cause it kicks your ass 24/7

[minor thunder]

nefarious friend

[cunning iris]

I like games that lock the real final bosses away behind difficulties though, that's a good compromise and encouragement to get better

[minor thunder]

correct buzzer

[plucky tide]

i call that bad design does depend on the game though

[clever plinth]

the games that add that option typically are more story-driven and that mode is there for those that just wanna enjoy the story. if a game that is supposed to be a challenge has it tho then that's a problem

[clever plinth]

lmao. he did the same with 2016 and i'd say that was more painful

[sullen yarrow]

Ehhhh I'm not sure if I can agree with this

[plucky tide]

oh yeah we are going to lock the final boss behind the hardest difficulty! like…why?

[sullen yarrow]

I think real final bosses behind 100% is an actual real good reward, cuz it's reachable for basically anyone as long as they have the time

[minor thunder]

motivation to beat hard difficulty

[plucky tide]

that’s similar to battle network 4 locking 100% behind SIX playthroughs

[cunning iris]

Not the hardest but behind the basic normal mode mainly is what I mean

[plucky tide]

that’s not motivation

that’s just shitty game design

[sullen yarrow]

Behind the highest difficulty is kinda lame, it doesn't really make as many people go "oh I wanna beat the game on hardest now" as much as it makes them look up save files or a video of the final boss

[plucky tide]

i wouldn’t play the game if that were a thing

[foggy inlet]

hellooooooo

[minor thunder]

hi

[plucky tide]

i know a game that locked an entire ending past several gaiden chapters that had certain requirements it was garbage game design

[foggy inlet]

what's up

[minor thunder]

the sky hahahahaha im so funny amirite

[sullen yarrow]

Marvel fans watching the 20 minute long credits scene to see Captain Horse say "I'm gonna neighhh to the silver screen"

[minor thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-i-think-i-agree-with-that-statement-metal-gear-rising-gif-25924558

[foggy inlet]

[cunning iris]

When did post credits scenes even start
It seems like a lot of movies do them now but I don't remember them being there as a kid

[minor thunder]

the mcu popularized it me thinks

[cunning iris]

Marvel...

[plucky tide]

i love when i go to the hack and slash genre on steam and its almost entirely comprised of souls games or souls likes

and that one game that just happens to be in first person and isn’t super comfortable to play on a handheld (which is a good game cause i played it)

[modest stream]

Yeah that’s kind of annoying. Soulslikes aren’t hack and slash.

Not straight up anyway.

[cunning iris]

They are if you're dark souls 2
Dual wield greatswords ftw

[plucky tide]

sekiro, stellar blade, khazkan, etc like these are NOT damn hack and slashes

this is why i can’t find a modern hack and slash to play, they just throw souls slop at me and i have to manually blacklist them off steam

[modest stream]

When I hear hack and slash, I think DMC.

[plucky tide]

yeah or maybe ninja gaiden

[cunning iris]

Ninja Gaiden Black OWNS

[plucky tide]

not the pc ports

[modest stream]

Or Metal Gear Rising.

[plucky tide]

delay was so bad i genuinely couldn’t play em

[cunning iris]

Those are the sigma versions too

[sullen yarrow]

I feel like such a baby seeing people talk about these big famous video game series (or even sometimes entire genres) that I have never touched

[plucky tide]

the entire collection of ninja gaiden games excluding 4 are all really annoying to play

because the delay is atrocious

[cunning iris]

Anome play Final Fantasy or megaman

[modest stream]

Soulstice is also a newer hack and slash.

[sullen yarrow]

Final Fantasy meh but Megaman maybe