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viral forge
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thats metal as fuck

sturdy summit
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Yeah, Dave is cool

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Abyways, I'm off to go cry over the fact I'm no longer nitro

cunning iris
sturdy summit
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I will

sturdy summit
# cunning iris You should make him a little cape

Me n my brother are saving up to make fursuits together, and his is a lil demon goat thing, and I plan to use red silk for the horns, if there's any left I'll make davoth a harness that has the dark lord's vibes

cunning iris
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He'll be matching you kind of if so

sturdy summit
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Nah, I'm making the daisy fursuit

cunning iris
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Ah

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Still cool idea regardless

sturdy summit
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Funnily, the demon goat is called angel

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Cause there's nothing I find more delightful than a oxymoron

twin stag
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Whats a broly boost

viral forge
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but multiplied to the seventh power

twin stag
viral forge
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you will learn someday

twin stag
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Like one of them enhancments

dusty flower
twin stag
sturdy summit
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Other way around homie

cunning iris
twin stag
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Alrighty then

dusty flower
twin stag
old solar
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crazy how israel bombed A Russian military base after iran is just crazy bro

sturdy summit
old solar
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took the words out my mouth fr

sturdy summit
muted trail
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Well I think they need a new government but to say “Israel is bad” is kinda antisemitism

lament comet
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Saying a country is bad doesn't mean you dislike the type of people who live there

old solar
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when did I say "israel is bad?" doomguy_cautious_l

lament comet
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I may dislike a country with muslims, but I have nothing at all against them

muted trail
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I just have to deal with people who say antisemitic shit online even on YouTube or in public

old solar
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I'm not chronically online all the time, I touch grass when needed to.

muted trail
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Ok well that’s a relief

old solar
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but when I am online all the time, it's when I'm flaming somebody

muted trail
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I see

gloomy minnow
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some person on CP at ski hill: "i was not as hip as the other penguins"

muted trail
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Well I heard an interesting fact that more newer games are inspiring Capom to make better games

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Did you know GTA 5 inspired them to make the map for Dragons Dogma 2 bigger?

glad rock
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Hi

muted trail
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Wassup K

obsidian cave
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I like to play and draw

sturdy summit
carmine tide
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Is the image above a scrapped doom 4 build

pearl rampart
pearl rampart
carmine tide
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Settle down goonmaster

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no hawk tuah for you

sturdy summit
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Mods can we ban brain rot terms

old sonnet
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if they do that, they are beta gooners

carmine tide
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beta gooners

gaunt cave
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John pork on my wrist

frosty aurora
ocean garden
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am I in the right server

snow current
ocean garden
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ok

astral mortar
ocean garden
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ok

astral mortar
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It's just that gen chat is unhinged a lot

ocean garden
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what do you guys think of doom 1 + 2

cunning iris
astral mortar
muted trail
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Yeah I know Sonic 1 has bad level design but what about “Star Light Zone”? Can we at least appreciate the good out of the bad?

astral mortar
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Starlight Zone is my favorite

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Spring Yard Zone a close second

cunning iris
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Sonic 1 doesn't really have bad level design outside scrap brain

astral mortar
cunning iris
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Even that one doesn't even take a minute to get through if you know what you're doing

astral mortar
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It's not bad

cunning iris
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1 and 2 are far the worst parts of the game, which is a shame because the rest of the game is really well put together

muted trail
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I mean if Sonic 2 had a similar stage, I think Sonic 1 would be too ignored by now

cunning iris
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Similar stage in what way?

muted trail
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Well it is hard to explain

astral mortar
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Okay this has no context whatsoever but I read your bio Lego and had a good kick outta that

cunning iris
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:)

astral mortar
muted trail
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Agreed

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But yeah Sonic 2 is my favorite Sonic game

cunning iris
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2d wise, 1 is mine

astral mortar
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I liked Sonic 4 E1 and E2 a lot

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I know that's an interesting take but I liked them

cunning iris
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I can understand E2, that one was neat

muted trail
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I know it might sound bad but I prefer classic Sonic over modern because it felt oversaturated

astral mortar
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YouTube thumbnail level colors

cunning iris
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Modern and classic both excel at different things so that's fair

astral mortar
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I liked the classic games' soundtracks, there were good tunes, Marble Zone, Casino Night Zone (pretty sure that's what it was called)

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I don't remember a lot of Sonic 2 ones

cunning iris
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Yeah

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Mystic cave was a really good one too

muted trail
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Well they had good music but they failed with Labyrinth Zone

cunning iris
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Labyrinth zone is a banger though???

sullen yarrow
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I liked Labyrinth.

muted trail
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I mean as a stage not a song

cunning iris
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Oh

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Eh the stage is fine, just he careful and it's manageable

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You just can't blindly rush it and expect results

muted trail
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I don’t dislike it because it’s hard, I just wish they did not make you go 20 yards and then stop for 30 seconds every time

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I mean to stop for a bit to dodge an obstacle in the way is fine but if you stop every 5 seconds the gameplay starts to suck

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Hope that makes sense

cunning iris
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Yeah

muted trail
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Let’s say they made it so you were trapped underwater and had to go quickly to get an air bubble but had to mind the traps

old sonnet
cunning iris
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The thing with sonic 1 is that you aren't supposed to be going fast by default, sonic 1s gameplay loop is built on the concept or running through mario 1-1 every time and getting faster at it every time
Speed is a reward of skillful play and knowing the level, not something that's to be handed to you and expected on a blind run

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Like even a lot of the stop and go moments of sonic 1 usually have some easy way around them, marble zone teaches you this
When you're waiting on a slow platform to ride across the lava? Most of those have an alternate route, or you can simply jump ahead if you time it right to skip it

muted trail
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Yes I know and I like some areas of Marble

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Just not lava raft parts

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I mean like waiting on the block as it goes slowwwwly

astral mortar
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Sometimes you can jump over them

cunning iris
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^

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I think there's only 1 or 2 times where you have to actually sit and wait for it to do its thing

astral mortar
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Or if you feel like it just db through them

cunning iris
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Most of the other times there's platforms placed that you can use to skip to the other side

astral mortar
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I like that one part in Act 2(?) where the lava is chasing you

muted trail
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I like the stage just not the few areas

muted trail
astral mortar
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I wish it was kinda faster though

cunning iris
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And the swing section with like 5 swings back to back, time your running start/jump right and you can get through that section without stopping

muted trail
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Agreed

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Most of Sonic 1 was good but the waiting in Labyrinth Zone is what kills it for me

carmine gust
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Waiting is for chumps. Every slow bit is deliberately skipable, people just don’t know how

cunning iris
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^

muted trail
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I see…

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I will definitely try it again

cunning iris
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Sonic 1 is still a very fast game, but it's a different kind of fast than sonic 2/3/onwards are

carmine gust
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The game was designed with skips in mind, but you won’t find them if you don’t take leaps of faith and experiment

muted trail
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I mean overall I love it

cunning iris
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That's why sonic 1 is the best of the original trilogy imo, every time you play it you get faster and you're learning more about how to use the physics to do so
Marble zone used to be a slog for me too but nowadays I can easily get through it in ~5-6 minutes no issue

muted trail
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I see I will definitely give it another go

tough ermine
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My first sonic game was sonic 4 episode 1

muted trail
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I did like superstars though

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Hope that is ok

cunning iris
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Superstars was fun

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Everything is ok, we aren't going to crucify you for liking something lmao

muted trail
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Ok

tough ermine
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unless its sonic forces

cunning iris
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The textbook definition of mid

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It doesn't do anything offensively wrong and it's playable, but boy does it not do anything that great either

muted trail
tough ermine
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saved yourself the pain

cunning iris
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It's the most middle of the road game you'll ever play

muted trail
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But yeah most modern sonic imo is kinda something I can’t quite put my finger on

tough ermine
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not good

cunning iris
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The fun with modern sonic comes from replays and chasing stuff like S ranks

carmine gust
tough ermine
carmine gust
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My heart

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My poor poor heart

cunning iris
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Or with lost world, going for the red rings. Doing so actually makes you engage with the parkour mechanics in ways the main game is too scared to let you do, and is where you start to see lost world actually being fun to play

tough ermine
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i still havent played the real version of unleashed cause sega REFUSES to port that game

carmine gust
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I’m kinda excited for shadow generations. Looks pretty sick

muted trail
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Like I think if you played the 1991-1998 series it’s good but if you played any game after that other than Superstars it just

cunning iris
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Grab a series s/x, it's worth it 100%

tough ermine
cunning iris
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Shadow Generations looks so good

carmine gust
muted trail
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But I feel as if there are other Sega games that are overlooked

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Like Super Monkey Ball

tough ermine
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then they tried to copy mario galaxy

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then . . . forces . . .

carmine gust
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Frontiers is definitely an interesting direction, and I’m looking forward to how they figure out how to polish it

cunning iris
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^

tough ermine
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frontiers needs ALOT of polish

cunning iris
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For a game that was completely started over from scratch halfway through dev time, it turned out pretty well

muted trail
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Agreed

carmine gust
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It’s an earnest attempt at a new direction instead of a weird mechanic, so I can respect it

tough ermine
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i honestly think cyberspace was a missed opportunity, and the same cyloop then hit enemy combat got annoying after a while

muted trail
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But outside Sonic, I think there are other thinks we should appreciate Sega for

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Anyone ever play Golden Axe?

cunning iris
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Cyberspace stages were pretty weak, the level designs didn't work well with how awkward his physics were for them

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That being said, they were a pretty late inclusion so it makes sense they probably got the least amount of polish

tough ermine
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i honestly cannot stand the music from cyberspace

muted trail
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That game hard but fun

tough ermine
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it was just . . . no

carmine gust
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The controls for cyberspace were really stiff too. I didn’t feel like I had any real control

tough ermine
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cyberspace 2d control was probably the worst 2d control sonic has had in a long time

cunning iris
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And the only way to make the stages really "fun" was to abuse stuff that wasn't intentional like the dash cancel

spice quartz
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Howdy 🤠

muted trail
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Hmm I see

muted trail
carmine gust
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I really just want another generations styled game that’s actually original. Closest thing I’ve had to new content for that gameplay was installing the unleashed mod for it

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Which is really good btw

cunning iris
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I see frontiers as the new age sa1. A very interesting concept to do something new with sonic, but you can tell it's the first attempt game

spice quartz
tough ermine
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project unleashed is very good

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the best non sonic sonic game i have ever played is probably spark the electric jester 2 and 3

muted trail
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I know it may sound weird but whenever I play Sanic, I get all the Chaos Emeralds but never actually use them

carmine gust
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My guilty pleasure was always shadow the hedgehog. I fully completed that game on the PS2 before I understood what good video games were

muted trail
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I only use them to get the good ending

tough ermine
cunning iris
carmine gust
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That too

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No more green hill, no more chemical plant

muted trail
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I agree, with classic stuff

cunning iris
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Same goes for classic, because mania just enforced that "nostalgia sells" aspect and I dislike it for the same reasons
I get it, it's an anniversary game, but every game has felt like an anniversary game for the past 13 years

carmine gust
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Fuck, revisit sandopolis for all I fucking care, emerald coast, red mountain, just stop picking those two

muted trail
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We can like classic sonic with a new zone

cunning iris
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Sonic needs to stop celebrating history and starting making it again

carmine gust
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Grand Metropolis was a breath of fresh air for a revisit, and genuinely the only fun stage in forces

cunning iris
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Sonic team give me a proper 3d mystic cave and I'll never ask for anything ever again

tough ermine
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ive never played forces and I honestly dont intend to

carmine gust
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Don’t bother lmao

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It burned me hard

cunning iris
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It's fine. It's harmless. It'll take you about 3 hours to get through, if you ever want to add it to your list of sonic games you've played

tough ermine
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guess its better than sonic boom

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anyone remember that abomination?

cunning iris
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Yeah

muted trail
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I was thinking of a “Mineshaft Zone”

cunning iris
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Honestly I kind of miss sonic boom, it was nice having a completely separate branch of sonic that was more lighthearted and didn't try to take itself too seriously

carmine gust
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Everything except the games were great

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The cartoon was good, the comics were good

tough ermine
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honestly wish sega would consider changing sonics design again

cunning iris
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Except the 3ds games, those weren't half bad
Not amazing or going to blow you away, but you could've had a lot worse too considering how rise of lyric turned out

tough ermine
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we have had the same one since 2008

carmine gust
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Please no.

cunning iris
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No keep his design. If it ain't broke, don't change it

carmine gust
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The thing people forget is Sonic is already a western design

cunning iris
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Now changing his renders I'm all for, we've been using the same renders since the late 2000s
But his core design itself? No

muted trail
tough ermine
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bring back his mohawk in american box art lmao

carmine gust
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Near everything Sonic has that has been successful can be traced to Sega of America

tough ermine
cunning iris
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Unless they do 06. I kind of liked his 06 look with the longer quills

tough ermine
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NO MORE CLASSIC SONIC

carmine gust
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His name, Sonic 2 and 3, axing madonna

cunning iris
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Leave classic as a completely separate side series, do NOT integrate him into the main games with modern again

tough ermine
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didnt sega of america also make sonic adventure 2?

carmine gust
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They had a larger hand, yes

muted trail
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I mean okay but I like the simpler design as a protagonist

cunning iris
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How is his design simpler he's just shorter

muted trail
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His eyes

carmine gust
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Sonic is effectively a western game. And I promise I’m not pulling some weird cultural opinions here, but Sega of America knows what they’re doing with him. Sega of Japan does not

muted trail
tough ermine
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when was the last sega of america sonic game

cunning iris
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Sonic has always been american even in appeal, up until frontiers sonic has never really stuck in japan that much

carmine gust
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Generations

tough ermine
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welp :)

muted trail
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Yeah I guess

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But you have to remember, Sega was founded by Americans

carmine gust
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His personality, the music we associate with him, the culture we associate with him

muted trail
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Speaking of Sonic there are other games for the Sega Genesis I like

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Anyone ever play Alien Soldier?

cunning iris
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Yeah. Neat little game

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Never beat it but what I played was pretty fun

muted trail
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It will make you lose all your hair

tough ermine
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now that sega finally remembered they are a game developer, i wonder if sega of america will ever have a crack at sonic again

cunning iris
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Generations 3 here we go

muted trail
carmine gust
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Fuck if I know. I don’t think either side is aware of what they’re working with

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Maybe the success is just them passing the development time like a football

cunning iris
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I assume sega of america is probably tied up in dealing with merchandise/the movies

muted trail
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I am tired of the Microsoft, Sony, Nerntendo shit

tough ermine
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well at least shadown generations SEEMS to be a step in a better direction

carmine gust
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C’mon Sega, give us the Dreamcast 2

cunning iris
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Is just reusing old levels again but for a different character
Sega istg if you learn from the wrong lessons from this again

muted trail
tough ermine
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asking sega to make a good modern console is like asking bunge to put out a good fps game

muted trail
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Or at least a remake

tough ermine
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the talent is long since gone

carmine gust
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I’m half expecting shadow generations to fuck up the physics tbh. They’ve been using the same engine since Unleashed, more or less, and each time they try to do boost styled gameplay, the physics are different each time

muted trail
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It is kinda sad

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But I think maybe just maybe

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There is still some hope

cunning iris
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Not since unleashed, since lost world
Starting with forces, lost world was made the basis of the engine. Forces still has some of sonic's parkour moves (with very buggy functionality) still in it

muted trail
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I mean if I could start a charity just to play Sega to make a console I would

tough ermine
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well the sidestep is still fucked, we know that from footage

cunning iris
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Generations was the last time we saw that old engine, and iirc this is why levels are also super short from the games post-gens because they don't have that level streaming functionality anymore that allowed for longer levels

muted trail
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Like imagine raising 20 mill dollars to get Sega to make a console

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Just imagine

tough ermine
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the water in shadow generations looks like a solid flat object lmao

muted trail
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Interesting

carmine gust
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Nope. It’s been the same engine. Sega just sucks

cunning iris
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Sonic origins
Tf is that using the hedgehog engine for, isn't it supposed to use the retro engine?

muted trail
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I would pay to help them make a console

carmine gust
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Menus

cunning iris
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Oh right, forgot about the 3d island stuff

carmine gust
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Game is retro engine. UI borrows from Hedgehog

muted trail
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The genesis and even the Saturn had good games that

carmine gust
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Which makes no fucking sense to me

muted trail
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I really enjoyed

timber meteor
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Top 10 sigma quotes

tough ermine
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apparently sega might possibly be working on a sonic heroes game thing

muted trail
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Golden Axe, Alien Soldier, Batman and Robin

cunning iris
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Sega please make something new
I am on my knees begging you STOP regurgitating what you've already done

muted trail
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Has anyone played Batman and Robin for the genesis

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That game is a masterpiece

cunning iris
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Even shadow gens, for as awesome as it looks, is just a thin veil of paint over another shadow 05 game

muted trail
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Well I do recommend one to try it

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It may seem like just another movie game at first until you actually beat the first stage

carmine gust
cunning iris
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I want them to do a year of silver because silver has like, 3 games max to work with so they'd have to be original to some extent

carmine gust
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I have 100% shadow the hedgehog and I will never have that time in my life back ever again

muted trail
cunning iris
obsidian cave
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I think doom guy and sonic would be friends

carmine gust
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Shadow was bad, lmao

muted trail
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Yeah probably

cunning iris
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Also that new water wisp transformation that's just the saucer

muted trail
carmine gust
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I love the shit out of that game and I can admit it’s terrible

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The edginess just hits different

muted trail
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I am sorry to all Shadow fans but

cunning iris
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Something about mid 2000s edge that you don't see anymore

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Actually screw my mystic cave comment from earlier sega please get another powerman 5000 song in a sonic game

carmine gust
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2000’s edge was fueled by being badass. Modern edge is fueled by shock and brooding

muted trail
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Yes, agreed

cunning iris
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I have a tiny tiny sliver of hope that shadow gens lets us change a stage's music (like sonic gens does) and the powerman 5000/julien k songs are part of that setlist

carmine gust
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Bring my boy Julien-K back!

cunning iris
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Idk about powerman but I know julien k still makes music so come on sega PLEASE

muted trail
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Although I think there could be some beauty in the 2010s like Capcom games in the later years

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but I am not watching the new year celebration this year.

carmine gust
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Get Mystery Skulls on that shit

muted trail
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Yes and stop with the trap shit

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I don’t know about you guys but trap music and rap music these days is just shit

cunning iris
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Yeah the whole edm/whatever direction sonic music is going is kind of eh

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It was fine in forces I guess but with frontiers its grating already

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And shadow gens so far is looking to be the low point of it

carmine gust
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My jaw dropped when sonic went super and the music turned into butt rock/metal

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Holy fuck they knew what they were doing

cunning iris
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Dude

tough ermine
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the music in shadow generations seems better

muted trail
cunning iris
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The feeling of going super for the first time in frontiers and hearing kellin quinn will never be matched

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Closest we got to how sonic used to felt

carmine gust
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THUNDER RAIN AND LIGHTNING

tough ermine
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its a shame those boss fights were just you mashing 1 button for most of the fight

carmine gust
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DANGER WATER RISING

muted trail
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I don’t know about you guys but some sort of Classic R&B or 80’s Pop style music would be nice

carmine gust
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that’d be a cool call back

tough ermine
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the perfect chaos theme was amazing

muted trail
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Bobby Brown, M Jackson

cunning iris
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Shadow the hedgehog intro is just, the definition of 2000s edge

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It's amazing

muted trail
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I remember failing to moonwalk when I heard the Spring Yard Zone or Jazz Jackrabbit 2 Menu themes

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Don’t ask me why I tried

cunning iris
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Everyone has tried to moonwalk at least once in their life

carmine gust
muted trail
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But there will never be any R&B as good as the 80s and 90s.

cunning iris
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It's so good

carmine gust
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This isn’t a +18 server

cunning iris
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This intro (and all the CGI cutscenes iirc) was directed by the guy doing sonic 3 btw, Jeff Fowler

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We're going to get peak shadow again

muted trail
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What do you guys think? Like when I see classic sonic I think of a guy who can moonwalk and not suck at R&B

tough ermine
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can we get a sonic unleashed opening cutscene again?

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please?

cunning iris
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I see sega's inability to let go of the past

muted trail
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Yeah hope so

tough ermine
cunning iris
cunning iris
carmine gust
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Put me in charge of making a game

muted trail
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I think a drawn Sonic 2D game (no CG or AI) would be really nice

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I mean they can use a painting app but

tough ermine
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sonic fans are psychotic enough to make multiple fully functioning sonic games

muted trail
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Do you guys think a drawn Sonic game could work?

tough ermine
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I tried project 06 and it was really fun actually

muted trail
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I mean like Cuphead but it’s not rubber hose and not a 100% chance of hand drawn

tough ermine
muted trail
cunning iris
tough ermine
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i feel like they could do anything as long as the gameplay felt sonic

muted trail
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Yeah that’s what I mean but I just feel as if 16-bit games have the best art style

carmine gust
# muted trail Do you guys think a drawn Sonic game could work?

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These guys have sorta fallen off the face of the earth, so don’t expect anything

cunning iris
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Ah...sonic 2 hd...
Is this game still in developer drama hell or did they continue it

tough ermine
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7 years ago

muted trail
dusty flower
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Oop didn't mean to reply

muted trail
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I’ll try it

carmine gust
muted trail
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Oh ok 😦

cunning iris
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So it's over then

tough ermine
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rip

muted trail
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It would have been nice to see

carmine gust
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Sega should have hired these guys instead of Christain Whitehead tbh

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Well they didn’t really hire whitehead, they licensed his engine

muted trail
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But yeah Sonic being drawn would be a beautiful sight

carmine gust
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But origins could have been so much better

cunning iris
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Sega is about to learn the hard way what actual delays looks like

tough ermine
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anyone play christians new game?

muted trail
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I never heard from him

cunning iris
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Origins was good, still probably the best (easy) way to play the classic games
I think the biggest issue with it was people having waaaay too high of expectations for what is a simple collection of the genesis games in widescreen

muted trail
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I know it may sound stupid but I don’t like how a lot of 2D games use 3D models all the time.

carmine gust
carmine gust
#

Dude has been in the rom hacking scene for awhile, so knew a thing or two about good level design

tough ermine
#

his new game is pretty good but some of it has pretty sloppy execution

muted trail
#

Ok hear me out, 3D models in a non 3D game feels highly mid

tough ermine
#

hades

muted trail
#

???

tough ermine
#

character models and enemies are 3d

muted trail
#

I don’t think you get the point

tough ermine
#

can you explain it better then?

cunning iris
muted trail
tough ermine
#

got any exampls?

muted trail
#

Mega man X8

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New Super Mario Bros 2

tough ermine
#

pretty much every new kirby game since return todreamland is that way, i dont see an issue with it

muted trail
#

Street Fighter 5 (without the music)

cunning iris
#

What does the music have to do with 3d models

tough ermine
#

thats alot of 2d platformers, they have 3d models

muted trail
#

I mean for some it can work but not for every one

tough ermine
#

metroid dread, new donkey kong games

pliant spindle
#

😶

muted trail
#

Like I am okay if they used it in games that had a 2.5D aspect

tough ermine
#

well looking at screenshots, that megaman game looks to be a 2.5 d side scroller

cunning iris
#

It is

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It kind of shifts between 2D for platforming and 3D for some vehicle segments

muted trail
#

But the use of 3D ALL the time can ruin creativity

tough ermine
#

uh

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im not seeing it

muted trail
#

I guess that’s what I mean to say

tough ermine
#

yea but it dosnt make sense

#

how would it ruin creativity

cunning iris
#

What are some examples of it ruining creativity

muted trail
#

Tell me do you watch any new cartoons from the 2020s?

cunning iris
#

Are you talking about video games or cartoons now

muted trail
#

Both

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But I mean as long as it is just an option I am fine with 3D

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I just think if we were to use a unique are style for a game series every time. Like some could be 2D and others 3D.

cunning iris
#

Then there would be no consistency

muted trail
#

I guess I suck at explaining anything

tough ermine
#

i really dont understand what you mean by it ruining creativity, if its bad then blame it on the art direction, not the medium that the game was presented through

muted trail
#

I’m just not going to say anything because I suck at making a claim

timber meteor
#

Greetings 🐔

sturdy tundra
#

👻 ✍️

cunning iris
#

Kill them

sullen yarrow
#

Hey Lego which should I have first? My options are baguette and sushi

sturdy tundra
#

sushi lego sounds better than baguette lego

cunning iris
#

Baguette

sullen yarrow
#

I am not eating Lego

sturdy tundra
#

why not

sullen yarrow
#

Vore is bad

cunning iris
#

Tf you mean "why not"

sturdy tundra
#

vore!?

sullen yarrow
#

By Lego I meant @cunning iris...

sturdy tundra
#

oh i dont read peoples names

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i assumed that you are a lego person

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but then lego people eat lego sushi so that wouldnt be anything bad

#

cat

sullen yarrow
#

Popgoes

cunning iris
#

La creatura

sturdy tundra
#

i guess its not obvious from the zoomed in picture

sullen yarrow
#

Are you Kane Carter from the hit video game POPGOES

sturdy tundra
#

probably not

sullen yarrow
#

Dang

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I find it funny Kane keeps saying Popgoes isn't his fursona but most people just call Popgoes "Kane Carter"

#

Once saw a Tweet about someone being like "Yo they have Kane Carter in stock?" with a Popgoes plushie picture

copper vessel
#

My PC is coming today I'm so excited

astral mortar
copper vessel
#

thanks!

cunning iris
sturdy tundra
#

idk i just bought the cheapest shit they had and it works

copper vessel
#

lol

sturdy tundra
#

i honestly only needed usb-a ports cuz my laptop only has two

copper vessel
#

holy shit fedex just pulled up lol

sturdy tundra
#

yea basically

#

it was like 12 dollars

#

local store brand

astral mortar
#

I would buy a PC if I had the money for it

astral mortar
sturdy tundra
#

aint no way something called "silver monkey" is a global company

sullen yarrow
#

Most underappreciated id developer

astral mortar
sturdy tundra
#

galaxy tab?

sullen yarrow
sturdy tundra
#

oh i see

sullen yarrow
#

Now they're in the CoD mines

astral mortar
sturdy tundra
#

yeah uh i have a usbc to hdmi cable and it works on my tab s9 ultra but yea thats not a splitter

sullen yarrow
sturdy tundra
#

thinking

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oh wow x870 boards are available

astral mortar
sullen yarrow
#

I hate how Heretic/Hexen is classified by many as a niche series, I wish it got more recognition

sturdy tundra
#

check Green Cell HUBGC01

astral mortar
#

Heretic/Hexen is honestly really cool

sturdy tundra
#

yea i just rly love some of the designs they have

#

i checked asus, gigabyte and msi pre-launch and they all cooked on the designs

astral mortar
sturdy tundra
#

damn

sullen yarrow
sturdy tundra
#

idk i dont really trust the cheapo aliexpress stuff

astral mortar
sullen yarrow
#

If you ever get a chance to play them, do so

sturdy tundra
#

same here but i mean if youre paying like 3k for a high end pc you'd probably want it to look good as well

sullen yarrow
#

Though if you do get a PC you'll need to hunt down a physical copy of HeXen II: Portal of Praevus and Heretic II

sturdy tundra
#

for more budget pcs who the hell cares

#

im picking up a lenovo thinkstation tomorrow from school

sullen yarrow
#

Heretic II isn't really expensive. Praevus on the other hand...

carmine gust
#

I wish I didn’t have to care about how my $3000 dollar pc looked. I’m going to be the only one who ever sees it, so why bother making it look flashy?

astral mortar
sturdy tundra
#

i think its only ugly if half of the components look good and half of them are ass, if it's all ugly there's a beauty in the uniformity

carmine gust
#

Still, went with a nice tempered glass case that came with rgb lighting. Still didn’t want it there, but high end cases are like that

sturdy tundra
sullen yarrow
#

Or dig into abandonware websites, if you don't care about really owning the game

carmine gust
#

I want functionality. Not decor.

sturdy tundra
#

it's not like you have to make your pcs look good

astral mortar
carmine gust
#

Still looks sick though

#

Gardevoir MKII I’ve named her

sturdy tundra
#

i have really grown tired with people that force their ideals onto others and i want to be the opposite of that person

sturdy tundra
astral mortar
sturdy tundra
#

the green with the red ram rly does look like gardevoir

sullen yarrow
sturdy tundra
#

i strive to understand people's thoughts, not go against them

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unless it is objectively bad

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or hurtful towards others

#

hit me

carmine gust
#

If I can help it, my stuff will always be gardevoir themed

#

How do you spot a linux user? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you

sturdy tundra
#

is there anything wrong with it that i'm not seeing

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it's just a very utilitarian desktop

astral mortar
#

What is Linux?

sturdy tundra
#

aur dont hurt me

cunning iris
#

Alternate OS, think like windows but not actually windows

sullen yarrow
#

A nerd's Windows

sturdy tundra
#

windows replacement

#

yea you do not show others your linux setups

#

they WILL find a reason to hate on it

carmine gust
#

My main issue with linux is that it’s so stupidly non-standard. Like, yes, there’s the kernel that’s effectively the same across distros. But once you start getting into the knitty gritty, i shouldn’t have to worry about what distro I’m using to run shit

sturdy tundra
#

my only gripe here is low resolution with a powerful cpu but you said that it's a vm so yea

sturdy tundra
#

yuh

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i find 1440p really cozy, i think ill buy a second 1440p screen

#

i saw a decent ips 1440p 180hz panel from philips for around 200 bucks

carmine gust
#

There’s nothing Linux has that I can’t already do in windows. Jumping over isn’t a matter of just learning, but dealing with all the problems that are unique to linux that I can’t fix with a straightforward solution

#

Anyone who’s tried to put linux on laptops understands this pain

sturdy tundra
#

i'm running linux on my laptop because it actually has better stability than windows does due to the hardware configuration fighting with drivers and causing system hard crashes

carmine gust
#

I’m going to stick to win10 as long as I can help it

sturdy tundra
#

on linux it does not happen

#

but ofc it has its own problems

#

i've reinstalled windows 10 iot ltsc on my pc that i'll be using as a music production workstation

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because while fl studio itself works natively on linux, the plugins do not

#

my laptop happens to be ryzen + radeon so it plays really well

#

and well i don't really play any games other than minecraft which runs fine on everything

#

yea sadly the drivers are broken for anything older than turing

#

maybe not broken but pretty unstable

#

hell my friend has a 3080 and it sometimes doesnt work

#

yikes

#

ohhh

#

in that case any day

#

6700xt is quite a lot better

#

nope

#

turing sucks at rt

#

i still think 6700xt would be better in rt than 2060s

#

and it has more vram too which matters in newer games a lot

#

based

#

have fun and get some killstreaks for me

sullen yarrow
#

TF2 X360 >>>

sturdy tundra
#

tf2c

astral mortar
#

Team Fortress 2 then Titanfall 2?

#

Or the other way around?

sturdy tundra
#

teamfall 2 and titanfortress 2

sullen yarrow
astral mortar
#

Team Titan 2 and Fall Fortress 2

sullen yarrow
#

Teen Titans

sturdy tundra
#

fall guys

#

titanium fallout 2

sullen yarrow
#

Acronyms are funny

#

One of my favorite ones is RRR because of how stupid it is

sturdy tundra
#

sounds like a fallout 2 rom hack where every enemy deals 10x more damage and has 10x the health

astral mortar
sullen yarrow
#

There is also RRR2, RRRDS, RRRTP, it's a weird little subseries

sturdy tundra
#

red bread rejection

astral mortar
balmy notch
#

Im a stonemason, and i wonder if i should carve the doom logo in a stone

astral mortar
#

Do it

balmy notch
#

Ook

#

Enyone elses opinion here?

astral mortar
#

I still need to try Titanfall 2

#

I've seen the movement and wanted to purchase the game instantly

#

Fair enough

#

I'm kinda bad at PvP in shooters but I'm trying to get better

lapis phoenix
#

I hit aegis 24 on ronin and scorch, working towards nstar rn

astral mortar
#

You should see me in DOOM 2016 I am complete ass

balmy notch
#

Huh

#

No it at least needs to be like 15 cm large

astral mortar
#

Improvise, Adapt, Overcome.

lapis phoenix
#

You ever free to play soon?

#

Im in class rn

#

Quite unfortunate timing

balmy notch
#

Well i dont really care for the challenging side of it its more the esthetics i care for

lapis phoenix
#

I get out in 40m if youll still be free

#

Alright, sick
Just ping me whenever after 8 your time and Ill probably be free

astral mortar
#

I sentence everyone getting banned from this server to stare at FIREBLU for 5 hours straight

sullen yarrow
lapis phoenix
#

Its soothing

sullen yarrow
#

It doesn't even look that bad. Fight me.

astral mortar
#

It doesn't, I actually kinda like FIREBLU

#

But turn the saturation up by like 100%

#

Make it super bright that it'll make your eyes bleed

lapis phoenix
#

You can apply sat / brightness to any image and make it ouchy so whats your point

carmine tide
#

sillyman ain’t being silly

lapis phoenix
cunning iris
#

Peak texture jumpscare

carmine tide
#

Cs 2 skin

lapis phoenix
#

Im est

#

I get home 6 my time tmr so 1 am for you I thin

#

Actually no, I lied

#

Ill be home earlier

carmine tide
#

In theory?? Alright time to start debunking

lapis phoenix
#

Alright, Ill let you know whenever I get home

carmine tide
#

Let me know too

#

Don’t be silly about it sillyman

bronze minnow
lapis phoenix
lapis phoenix
lament comet
lapis phoenix
#

Ill probably be dead by then

old solar
carmine tide
#

Wtf ew how you gonna have fungi growing out of your walls 😭

#

That’s wild

old solar
#

Mfer who manages the freezer never cleaned the bitch obviously

lapis phoenix
carmine tide
#

That’s so bad I’m pretty sure asmongold would do something about it

#

Do you reckon

#

actually nvm I’m the one being silly

#

he has literal cockroaches all over him

#

The fungi would be the cleanest thing in his house

old solar
#

Doom 1+2 update? that's.. new.

cunning iris
#

And it's actually of substance this time

#

TNT map31 fixed, cheats on console, mod page doesn't reset when you look at a mod + a search function

lapis phoenix
slate moth
#

I genuinely cannot imagine what asmongold smells like

carmine tide
#

Like roses

bronze minnow
#

Mixed with the BO of a Sasquatch

cunning iris
#

And a roadkill skunk

bronze minnow
#

and the Cheeto dust under his fingernails

lapis phoenix
#

And sweat

carmine tide
#

I wouldn’t imagine a doom server flaming asmongold 😭

slate moth
frosty aurora
#

Who is he and what did he do?

carmine tide
#

He’s the icon of sin

frosty aurora
#

why

cunning iris
frosty aurora
#

..

dear god

carmine tide
#

pretty cool bloke

tough ermine
#

hes not very smart

slate moth
bronze minnow
carmine tide
#

I opened your profile and got flashbanged

#

thanks slushy

bronze minnow
#

:)

#

I didn’t realize how hard on the eyes my background was so I made it spoopy Halloween colors

carmine tide
slate moth
#

I do not know any game where women look masculine

carmine tide
#

concord

slate moth
#

?

carmine tide
#

Sorry i forgot that doesn’t exist

slate moth
#

Yeah none of them look like men to me

bronze minnow
#

Game devs post 2017 making the ugliest characters imaginable to promote “diversity” coolcaco

carmine tide
slate moth
#

Same guys calling women in games masculine called the new lara croft design flat

bronze minnow
#

That chick with the mini gun has a wild design

carmine tide
#

All of them are flat af 😭

#

2024, women have no more boobas

slate moth
#

Most of them literally do have breast bro

bronze minnow
#

Untrue

slate moth
#

That's the average breast range I see outside

carmine tide
#

I found the only concord character design fan

sullen yarrow
#

The only Concord fan in general you mean?

slate moth
#

Not a fan of them they r literally just not flat

carmine tide
#

okay marki moo whatever floats your boat

slate moth
#

The game might be ass but the women r not flat lol

cunning iris
#

They only look flat because they're under layers of armor in some cases, don't really know why that's an issue

bronze minnow
#

I just find the visual designs of all the characters extremely ugly to look at, the color palettes used look like clown vomit

slate moth
sullen yarrow
#

Boob talk? In my DOOMCord?

cunning iris
#

Mfw a game about shooting and combat doesn't have characters with breasts as big as a tire

sullen yarrow
#

RAGE 2 doesn't have this

lapis phoenix
#

Women in full clad armour are hotter anyway

cunning iris
#

So true actually

#

Women in knight armor >>>>

sullen yarrow
#

Gordon Freeman is hottest

#

I am not a mod

carmine tide
#

Please do

cunning iris
#

Anome isn't the owner either

dark path
sullen yarrow
#

I'm just a booster sir

cunning iris
#

I mean yes Anome is the owner all hail our king

carmine tide
sullen yarrow
#

Am I doomed to be the boob guy over an unrelated RAGE fact

sullen yarrow
#

It wasn't even about the subject-at-hand!!

carmine tide
#

I’m the boobs guy

#

WHAT

sullen yarrow
slate moth
#

*D+ boobs guy, any lower than D is flat

#

Apparently

old solar
#

ngl, I'm not even attracted to any of that shit

sullen yarrow
#

No I did not

cunning iris
#

I just want good video games

sullen yarrow
#

It was a rhetorical question showing my DISTASTE in being the "boob guy"

weak juniper
#

what is going on

sullen yarrow
#

Awful stuff

dark path
slate moth
carmine tide
#

I’m sorry that I like appealing women characters with honker bonkers than diversity forced down my throat

Didn’t Sony try to censor a game over something like this

old solar
sullen yarrow
cunning iris
slate moth
#

Medium size breast are not diversity

sullen yarrow
#

I am just exiting this topic. What do people here think of Heretic II?

cunning iris
#

Never played it

carmine tide
#

Halt the boob talk markiplier, I’m talking in general

sullen yarrow
#

Dangit

carmine tide
#

you are genuine white noise

cunning iris
#

Yell all you want I can't hear you over peak

dark path
slate moth
#

I bet you say DEI on the regular

bronze minnow
carmine tide
#

It’s joever

dark path
#

They small

slate moth
#

Yikes brother

sullen yarrow
#

Man wtf is wrong with yall

slate moth
#

Back to the gooncave you go

bronze minnow
twin stag
cunning iris
#

Me three

dark path
sullen yarrow
#

I am not your mother, guys

carmine tide
#

I blame mark for this

twin stag
carmine tide
#

I just like boobs, mark had to throw an entire fit

twin stag
#

In what

carmine tide
#

Mark is typing

slate moth
twin stag
#

You can do that?

carmine tide
#

The 2D one

slate moth
#

No

carmine tide
#

oh

#

I was going to ask you if it’s good

twin stag
#

Cool

sullen yarrow
#

First 2D FNaF in a while

carmine tide
#

You seemed like a fnaf bloke

thorny bane
#

Doom should collab with FNAF

twin stag
#

Aint got a pc

sullen yarrow
twin stag
#

Sorry

slate moth
#

I kinda like fnaf but what revived my interest lately is a fan made game called Graveyard Shift at Freddy's, not the official series

carmine tide
sullen yarrow
#

The higher it goes the more obsessed the fans, along the middle at the top is the crowd that despises the new games

dark path
sullen yarrow
#

They're like the Guyuses of FNaF sometimes

slate moth
#

I havent played any after pizzeria simulator bc ion rlly care abt em, GSAF clears scott's entire catalogue anyways

tender night
#

honestly cyberpunk isn't that good looking IMO

slate moth
#

I would recommend it to you anome but the creator took it down

sullen yarrow
#

Cyberpunk is best FNaF mate

slate moth
#

It's fnaf but actually scary

sullen yarrow
thorny bane
slate moth
slate moth
#

Gameplay is great too

sullen yarrow
dark path
#

Now...Who remembers the "Carnivores" games

#

Y'know like Dinosaur hunter and the Ice Age one

sullen yarrow
#

First two games that came to mind was that one flash game where you rampage as a T-Rex through Rio

#

And the one where that weird red monster thing goes into people's stomachs? Markiplier played it

#

Reaction spam isn't funny btw

#

Braindead humor

sullen yarrow
#

Nope, not that one

dark path
#

Oh

sullen yarrow
#

This looks like that shitty Granny remake on Steam lol

dark path
#

Nvm then

sullen yarrow
#

Sorry Mark but deepfried jumpscares don't scare me

dark path
#

Not carrion

slate moth
#

Eh not even close to it

bronze minnow
#

Fnaf and it’s everlasting consequences on the indie horror scene

slate moth
#

The game is genuinely more fluid than all of the games made by scott lol

sullen yarrow
slate moth
#

GSAF is a reimagining on FNAF 1

#

But the story is a lot different

sullen yarrow
#

Not only did it introduce the chapter-by-chapter formula most indie horror games use now, the gameplay style (while being admittedly a huge rip-off of other games) has been emulated by lotsa stuff, notably Poppy Playtime

#

Though the difference is that Bendy is good and Poppy Playtime sucks

slate moth
#

Graveyard Shift at Freddy's

#

Which is just a different way of saying night shift

bronze minnow
#

I just don’t find mascot horror entertaining at all, the aesthetic is so ran into the ground it’s insane.

slate moth
#

GSAF feels the same to 20 year old me than FNAF 1 did to 10 year old me

sullen yarrow
#

I mean stuff like FNaF, Bendy, Tattletail. By extension Baldi, Hello Neighbor and Granny/Slendrina. The last two are jank with awful lore but it's part of why I like them lol

carmine tide
#

Garden of banban

sullen yarrow
#

Hello Neighbor is just so fucking good to get stupid in and try to break it, it's actually insane how much of a mess it is

sullen yarrow
carmine tide
#

mwehehehe

bronze minnow
slate moth
#

Something I like about gsaf if that these things aren't animatronics

dark path
sullen yarrow
# bronze minnow I guess I got lost with the genre when it’s main goal became appealing to childr...

Which is why the stuff I mentioned is good, most of it. FNaF has started appealing to kids lately, but the franchise is so long you can just ignore those games if you so wish to and still get lots of content. Bendy was child-friendly at first, but Bendy and the Dark Revival was grim as fuck and I loved it, and B3NDY is apparently going to be full-on M-rated. Baldi is a parody so it's obviously not scary, Granny can be scary but at some point it gets more about strategy, and it's fun in that. Hello Neighbor isn't really scary, the story is a clusterfuck but if you connect the story and try to make sense of it it's actually not as bad as people make it out to me. The games are hot garbage though, and like I said, that's why I like them lol

carmine tide
#

Why haven’t you mentioned garden of banban

slate moth
#

Fnaf for me is about the gameplay, I don't really look for horror in FNAF

#

I enjoy the gameplay

sullen yarrow
#

You should play BatDR

bronze minnow
sullen yarrow
#

I was genuinely not expecting for it to be as grim as it was

slate moth
#

What's the lore

sullen yarrow
#

What's the point of spoiling it all

#

You should just watch a lore recap on the first game and dive into Dark Revival blind

sullen yarrow
dark path
#

Awe
hug

sullen yarrow
#

Play FNaF 4 or FNaC3. TJoCR is a good one too smugcaco

slate moth
#

You cannot see it but befoee the jumpscare bonnie peaks into the window and his eyes are hollow, then right when he's at the tip of ur window his eyes pop back out

dark path
#

Yea...if only

sullen yarrow
#

Sorry Mark but this is how you sound right now

slate moth
#

He's in your closet

sullen yarrow
#

"He's riding him! I didn't even know you could do that!!!"
Mark try not to promote GSaF challenge

slate moth
#

lol

slate moth
#

I cannot promote the game anyway, it's been taken down from gamejolt

sullen yarrow
carmine tide
#

I’m going to cry

slate moth
#

Creator has allegations of defending someone who committed the r word crime

sullen yarrow
#

Well Vasko is wrong I suppose

slate moth
#

So she took the game down

#

The really bad one

sullen yarrow
#

Hard R or the other one

slate moth
#

Nope

sullen yarrow
#

It's not a yes or no question sir

slate moth
#

The one that happens when you don't listen to someone saying no to a certain act

sullen yarrow
#

Yessir, be more cryptic

#

Oh well, whichever it was, too bad so sad, not like I'd play it anyway

dark path
#

Rrrriddle

polar tangle
#

Hey ID your mod search bar..IS FUCKING BROKEN

carmine tide
sullen yarrow
#

I have no idea what that is, English isn't my first language

sullen yarrow
#

Talk to Nightdive about it

polar tangle
#

It's both

slate moth
sullen yarrow
#

No it isn't, it is never officially capitalized

polar tangle
#

It's not ?

sullen yarrow
sullen yarrow
dark path
sullen yarrow
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Well then I would call Blmao unfunny

dark path
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Pfft

sullen yarrow
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Like sorry sir but repeating the same joke won't make it better

polar tangle
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Anyone else having issues with the mod search bar in doom1+2 rn?

sullen yarrow
polar tangle
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The channels inactive rn

sullen yarrow
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And this one is, that's even worse lol

polar tangle
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Good ..

sullen yarrow
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Would you rather have many people look at your message, or have your message drown out instantly?

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Literally nobody here cares about the mod bar because nobody responded to you when you first brought it up

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I am instructing you to go to a channel that DOES care

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Okay, then go to #classic-doom since you already posted about it here

polar tangle
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Yeah .. hopefully the chats not dead

sullen yarrow
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Well, anyway

carmine tide
sullen yarrow
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Has anyone here played Quake Arena Arcade

dark path
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.........idk

slate moth
sullen yarrow
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Unfortunately

slate moth
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He's telling you what he thinks about you to your face

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That's as real as can be

dark path
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Er, as to your face as physically possible

muted trail
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I intend to replace my current pfp with a more original one someday

carmine tide
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Replace it with an anime character

cunning iris
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No don't

carmine tide
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peak

sullen yarrow
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Make it be the Heretic trident, Starry

carmine tide
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Why am I being cacoed

carmine tide
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Must be an error

muted trail
cunning iris
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Ristar

muted trail
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as you already know my username is “starrythemagicwishingstar” so it would go along those lines

sullen yarrow
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Is Ristar even good

cunning iris
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Yeah

sullen yarrow
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I played the first level for that SEGA Genesis trophy but nothing afterwards

cunning iris
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Fun little platformer

muted trail
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Well a little nebula would be okay but yk it’s basically a color scheme

sullen yarrow
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At first I thought you meant the GoTG Nebula lol

muted trail
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It is going to be hard to explain but I found a loose basis it’s my pfp now

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What is love?

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Baby don’t hurt me

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Don’t hurt me

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No more

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Welp there goes my neck in 5 minutes

astral mortar
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What is quad? Baby don't frag me, don't frag me no more...

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Idk I got this quote from a random ass Quake thread ignore it kinda

muted trail
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Yeah but the SNL skit where the meme originated is on my bucket list

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I’d want to be with 2 other guys in a car at night while the song is playing and we all twist our necks

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It’s on meh bucket list

slate moth
dark path
uncut zodiac
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My Playlist literally just went from jazz to rip and tear.

astral mortar
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Rip and Tear jazz cover

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Hear me out

dark path
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Why the fuck are Legos so expensive

dark path
astral mortar
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I need DOOM but it's like Lofi or jazz and shiz

uncut zodiac
cunning iris
sullen yarrow
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They also switched to a more expensive production method lately

cunning iris
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And even for their original ips, the money earned from sets has to also cover advertising (most lego ips have some sort of tv show running alongside them, like Ninjago)

cunning iris
cunning iris
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Bionicle sadly never had much of a tv show outside of its reboot, but it did get a few movies

dark path
cunning iris
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Bionicle did have stuff like a comic run though, and a lot of money went into licensing music like AJR's Move Along

astral mortar
sullen yarrow
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Lego is the ultimate nerd in literally everything except the stuff I nerd in

cunning iris
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SO TRUE

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Rayman, id, old pc games in general I sleep
But Sonic/Megaman/Lego, I'm your guy

astral mortar
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Anome is the Rayman, ID, old PC game nerd

sullen yarrow
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I was about to call you out on the capitalization

cunning iris
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Anome don't yell at me I fixed it

astral mortar
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Lego is the one about Sonic, Megaman etc

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I'm.... uhh... I don't know

sullen yarrow
astral mortar
cunning iris
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You go on about old pc games and installers a lot so

sullen yarrow
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(Twice)

cunning iris
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And counting

carmine tide
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I bought the Lego flower bouquet today

dark path
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You two get along perfectly, now kith

cunning iris
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No, kissing is gross

astral mortar
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Lmao

sullen yarrow
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Disney Channel quote

carmine tide
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So kissing is not gross?

astral mortar
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You two should play Classic DOOM on Nightmare

carmine tide
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Commas make a difference

cunning iris
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Also fairly sure that'd land me a visit with the police so no thanks

astral mortar
dark path
astral mortar
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Or play like Mario together idk

sullen yarrow
cunning iris
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I hate this new forward feature my muscle memory is failing me

astral mortar
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Fr

sullen yarrow
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I've heard of grammar cops before

astral mortar
sullen yarrow
cunning iris
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Not rn, about to get ready for work

astral mortar
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Go 4 It

sullen yarrow
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But like a week from now

cunning iris
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What

sullen yarrow
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I have to sleep so the flight to London goes well

carmine tide
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LONDON