the-dark-ages

[serene schooner]

you barely have to move

best experience for console gamers

[worldly musk]

the timing of it feels kinda cheap on PC

[serene schooner]

parry timing ?

[worldly musk]

yeah

[serene schooner]

go unga bunga

[slender night]

What's that supposed to mean

[serene schooner]

simple

very simple arena with minimal need of dodging

i always thought itd be hard to move with controller

[slender night]

It isn't

[serene schooner]

less turning anyway

[fleet spruce]

I agree that it isn't, modern id games just are wonderfully optimized for gamepad

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/why-is-he-lying-wong-gif-5558347777370316415

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[hearty edge]

how is tda the first doom game to successfully implement the ouch face

maybe doom + doom ii also did it correct but i remember that on launch you got it every time after a supercharge or something

also doomguy's grunts

i dont remember them in eternal so idk if they were there

but they were nice in this one

[knotty pewter]

Easiest boss in the game ngl

[hearty edge]

i struggled more with the fatso than with him

although i'd say ahzrak and the witch is the easiest

no no i forgot the old one exists

[green estuary]

I legitimately cannot understand how people struggle even remotely with kreed

him on max sliders is almost easier than ahzrak on default nightmare just with parry settings lowered to minimum

[elder raven]

katsu i want an air strike over your house

the kreed is a pain in the ass with those fast projectiles + the aoe attacks

[green estuary]

on max sliders yeah he's tough-ish, still easy compared to the rest of the game

but ahzrak literally just instakills you on max sliders lol

you get one slip-up per phase, any more than that and you're dead

[hidden sapphire]

I don't have much to say about The Dark Ages

[elder raven]

we’ll see i’ll hop on dark ages later

[green estuary]

ok, then don't say much

[knotty pewter]

Harder than Azhrak

[elder raven]

this is the dark ages channel sir

[elder raven]

okay i disagree here

[green estuary]

kreed's fight you literally just circle strafe and hold mouse1 with the cycler/accelerator and occasionally shield throw

[hidden sapphire]

I don't have any topics to talk about regarding Doom: The Dark Ages.

[knotty pewter]

Then get out of the Dark Ages channel

😭

[elder raven]

play it then

[knotty pewter]

You aren’t being forced to be here lmao

[green estuary]

if you're playing on anything near default sliders kreed is easy no-hit material if you don't make a dumb mistake

[hidden sapphire]

I just don't want to feel excluded

Furthermore, this is currently the most active channel

[green estuary]

well it's also the channel to discuss the game
this ain't general chat 2

[graceful rivet]

I don't remember if i struggled with the kreed. Asscrack was annoying but idk about the kreed

only thing i remember is the worms

[hard mesa]

i struggled with kreed until realized you could shield throw to destroy those moving things that emit electricity. i kept constantly shooting and dodging them, which is way harder

[graceful rivet]

I legit remember nothing from that fight. What moving electricity thingys

[fading bone]

kreed is legit so easy just move right bro

just hit that D key bruh

just go towards the east

[hazy pasture]

Go where the sun rises ahh

[solid nacelle]

He does get a little ridiculous if you bump up the projectile speed

[elder raven]

this

[fading bone]

well everything gets a little crazy when you go beyond what the game was designed for

[solid nacelle]

Of course but it's not quite as bad during regular gameplay

Like you have to be extremely precise in how you strafe otherwise you just get pelted

[split gate]

Bro posted a fun fact

[alpine pilot]

Where doom

[solar cairn]

Xbox June Direct

[worldly musk]

Yeah probably after the Gears E-Day direct

[serene schooner]

play it

its good for you

[split gate]

Yeah it keeps you healthy and hydrated

[serene schooner]

instant +10 pullups

try it

[uncut thistle]

I think I halfway done with the game and damn
the shield is so satisfying tho my eternal instincts keep getting me killed XD

I forget the slayer is not on crack like in eternal

I would put dark ages alongside eternal in my favorite games
This game is an absolute cinema

[worldly musk]

may i suggest Under The Mayo's video on faltering and parrying, your Eternal instincts can be redirected once you learn the tech 🤟🏽

[fresh lintel]

get this slayer a true

[obsidian shard]

The Directs are at the end of the show!

[uncut thistle]

Ty will watch it

[crude kraken]

https://youtu.be/lkZblQnT5_c?si=XcMITCBDAPRlCiJH

i liked this video for getting me out of the eternal and into the dark ages mindset

[fading bone]

also a very good one

[crude kraken]

this guys got a video talking about weapon "builds" too

since its clunky to swap weapons on the fly its more about equipping yourself before a fight to handle whatever threat youll be up against

[warm ibex]

Don't forget that Doom 2016 turns ten years old in exactly one month

And what better way to celebrate than to reveal the DLC with connections to the lore established in 2016 🤔

[obsidian shard]

PLEASE HORDE, I NEED THIS

[worldly musk]

https://tenor.com/view/let-him-cook-cook-cookin-big-wok-gif-141999319614473134

[solar spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-patrick-star-peak-cinema-absolute-cinema-gif-2419960068189387292

[dull tangle]

Fellas, just wanted to share that my 72-year-old dad's first modern game was Dark Ages and he just beat it. 🥹 https://imgur.com/cSFOwta

[warm ibex]

dude that's awesome!

[dull tangle]

He introduced me to Doom 1 via shareware disks from our local video store when I was a kid, now I introduced him to The Dark Ages. The cycle is complete.

[wintry forge]

Celebrate with DLC reveal ❌ Celebrate with 2016 Helmet reveal ✅

[hazy pasture]

Absolutely

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-iron-man-is-it-too-much-to-ask-for-both-best-of-both-worlds-why-not-both-gif-3787079

[stuck basalt]

yes]

[hazy pasture]

In this world? maybe

[dull tangle]

Don't want to be annoying, but what's the best way to share this with Hugo and Josh? Love their streams and it seems like the kind of thing they'd enjoy hearing about.

[grim cloud]

10 years since 2016 in one month. my god

[crude kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

[grim cloud]

and nearly 1 year since tda

maybe dlc teaser for 1 year, with a full trailer and art during the june showcase

[crude kraken]

we're STARVING hugo

[warm ibex]

Could always leave it in Stream chat

[hidden sapphire]

Hey

[cobalt fog]

Bro I want at least like a cinematic teaser or something

I need to theory craft

I got nothing to theory craft with

Just tiny bits of gameplay and story nuggets

[hidden sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/test-gif-12993999557818669691

[cobalt fog]

Why can’t we get like at least the art and dlc name

At least the dlc name

AT LEAST

[hidden sapphire]

Are you talking about The Dark Ages DLC?

[cobalt fog]

Yeah

[harsh egret]

#screenshots message absolute peak of an artwork

[warm ibex]

holy FUCK

[harsh egret]

its insane

[warm ibex]

im assuming that's from the immortal collab?

[harsh egret]

my new wallpaper no kiddings

[harsh egret]

yeah

[warm ibex]

that's awesome dude, thank you for sharing

[fresh lintel]

a slight bit unrelated, but my great grandpa was a huge computer guy, back when he first got his first computer he had the guy install and teach him everything about the systems and all that, it sucks i never got to ask him on if he ever played the classic doom games .. point is, cherish moments like this, remember these times and never say it wasn't worth it

[crude kraken]

unsurprising, its a banger

whatd you enjoy most about it?

which of the runes, guns and melee weapons were your favorite?

[elder raven]

lmao

[fresh lintel]

huh??

[crude kraken]

what da hell

what was that??

[fresh lintel]

did.. he leave or??

[crude kraken]

he was mid typing

[fresh lintel]

well.. i doubt he did anything to break the rules so quick right?

[past valve]

Woah what happened?

[crude kraken]

he didnt brush his teeth this morning

his breath smelled

[fresh lintel]

someone joined and started talking about his experience with the game and.. now he's gone?

[crude kraken]

mods obliterated him

[past valve]

Dang

[past valve]

Omg there is just nothing left

[crude kraken]

i think i was in love too.... fuck my chungus life....

[fresh lintel]

maybe someone recognized him as an alt account?

[past valve]

But what could have he possibly done for that?

[harsh egret]

i wonder if it had to do with his profile bio

[crude kraken]

i didnt see whatd it say

[harsh egret]

i'd prefer not to say lol

something not nice

[past valve]

I suppose that it was smth racist

[crude kraken]

hint mayhaps?

[past valve]

I might be wrong tho

[harsh egret]

it doesnt matter lol

just move on 😭

[crude kraken]

i guess not

[fresh lintel]

alright

[crude kraken]

yessir🫡

[past valve]

True

[fresh lintel]

well anyway, my favorite rune is the lightning one, that one has saved me so many times

[grim cloud]

i always miss the drama

[past valve]

The lightning one is bonkers ngl, used it a lot in my first playthrough

[harsh egret]

arguably the best one in most scenarios

[fresh lintel]

i also like the ground shatter one too.. good source of armor when fully upgraded

[past valve]

Ground fissure is rlly nice if you want to do a brawly play style

In fact there was an infinite dreadmace thing you could do with it

Don’t know if it’s fixed tho

[obsidian shard]

it is

[fresh lintel]

i just kinda wished the runes could have an alternate activation when parrying a melee strike

[past valve]

Oh man

[crude kraken]

i wanna play around with lightning rune+cycler

probably will this run

[past valve]

Oo cool

Btw do you guys have a chainshot build?

I’ve tried but with no successful resoult

[crude kraken]

i imagine pure dps works well with it, crack armor open and unload with the autoturret and gauntlets

[past valve]

That sounds like a good idea

I’ll have that in mind thank you!

[fresh lintel]

looking at my ripatorium "portfolio" makes me really happy :) i think i have a solid lineup of hard hitting challenge arenas

[crude kraken]

maybe mix another gun in there in case you dont have your rune or melee available, accelerator or ravager or whatever gun you want to be honest have some fun with it

[past valve]

Ok thanks!!

[past valve]

I remember that the only ripatorium arena i made was such a pain in my ass

So i play community ones and i rlly enjoy it!!

[fresh lintel]

wanna try one of mine? my first one has pretty glowing reveiws

reviews*

[past valve]

I would love too ngl but I can’t rn

Tell me the name tho

[fresh lintel]

no worries, when you get the chance look up

Plutonium's Wrath

[past valve]

Oo nice name

I’ll do my best while playing it thanks!!

[elder raven]

i can glow 💡

[past valve]

Cool

[fresh lintel]

tell me how it goes ^^ would love to hear your thoughs

thoughts*

[past valve]

I will!! ( if i remember srry)

[fresh lintel]

no worries, feel free to @ me if you do happen to play it, i really don't mind people pinging me for their experiences with my arenas

[past valve]

Ok thanks!!!

[fresh lintel]

no worries at all

[crude kraken]

whats your mindset or process when youre designing arenas id love to engage with that side of the game but i dont even kmow where to start in terms of making a hard but fair arena

[fresh lintel]

me personally, the mindset i take for my arenas (biased cause i like them a lot) is to ensure you know how each enemy is gonna interact with each other, i'll take my recent one for example, in Round 4 of my "Revival of The Fittest" i use two standard cyber demons as basically turrets to protect a Vagary Champion, you gotta try and think like an id dev

it's all about balancing fodder with heavys, and balancing heavys with super heavys

[crude kraken]

i see what you mean

ive played the game a lot more since the first time i tried making an arena so ive gotten a better understanding of enemy behavior

the first time i tried making an arena with vagaries, barons, and hunters but i didnt have a good enough understanding of the gameplay loop to make it work😅

[fresh lintel]

exactly, the enemy AI may not act like it, but they do work together in amazing ways, and it's because of their individuality, Imp stalkers are slow with a high speed lung when close, so for example you'd combine imp stalkers slowness with the speed of another heavy demon, like a revenant, this ensures a balance of sorts

[crude kraken]

id love to play some of your arenas but i dont have working internet on my pc rn so youd have to give me the specific enemy values for your presets instead of sending a preset

[crude kraken]

or something that demands focus like a baron so they creep up on you if you arent careful

[fresh lintel]

see!? exactly! think like an id dev!

[crude kraken]

i gotta play some ripatorium when i can again so i can see what you guys have come up with since the games come out

[fresh lintel]

and i'll give you some advice, mainly for the "testing" and "approval" process, my personal way of testing and what makes me approve an arena is a simple 3 strikes system

I get three chances, if i die in the arena 3 times, then it needs to be reworked or nerfed
if i win within those three tries, it can be approved

i base my presets on my own skill, no BFC at all for me

oh! and i recommend testing presets on Ultra Violence, as Ultra Violence is the standard for MOST players

[crude kraken]

wouldve never considered that ive played every game on nightmare since i started i forgot its not baseline😆

[fresh lintel]

it's ok XD

it took me a while to play DOOM Eternal on nightmare

and im making it a donation goal on my channel for me to play Pandemonium on Nightmare

[crude kraken]

you stream? doom or other stuff?

[fresh lintel]

doom, overwatch, and sometimes TF2

it'll be mostly overwatch for a while since im taking a break from making Ripatorium Presets since, as i said in my Cosmic Siege preset, that i feel that in my own standards i've pushed the ripatorium as far as i could

so im basically waiting for the DLC + Ripatorium 3.0

[crude kraken]

are you excited to see what demons they cook up?

[fresh lintel]

oh yeah

rumors and stuff aside, im truly wondering of the new enemys

[crude kraken]

what do the rumors say? all ive heard is theyre bringing back the archvile

[fresh lintel]

yeah that

Archvile

[crude kraken]

you think itll be more like eternal or classic?

or its own thing

[fresh lintel]

probably a mix of both, based on the hints, it'll be the hardest DLC even compared to Eternal's

[crude kraken]

aye i hope so, i was personally underwhelmed by the difficulty in the main game

not so much after the patches actually i think they landed in a pretty fair spot in terms of balance

[violet zealot]

Would the maykers be considered organic technology or something like that.

[solid parrot]

whats happening?

[hard mesa]

it can't be harder than TAG 1

[warm ibex]

that's confirmed! straight from hugo, no rumors or anything

[hard mesa]

TAG 1 Maykr guy bossfight was sweaty

[fresh lintel]

oh ok, i thought it was still a rumor XD

[fresh lintel]

who knows, it could break even an Ultra Nightmare player, we just gotta wait and see

[hard mesa]

true

[hard mesa]

the harder the more replayable. and if it's too hard for people, they can adjust in game sliders

[fresh lintel]

actually that's a good point, now that there are sliders

they can technically get away with making it as difficult as they want

and if people complain they can pull a "You control the buttons you press" and just say "You control the sliders you use" XD

I kinda hope the Archvile is less of a push over in the DLC than in Eternal, Archvile in Eternal was more annoying than hard to fight, his barrier had zero impact on protecting him, like, a single blood punch can break it, and im kinda hoping for that one attack where he locks onto you and summons a burst of fire under your feet that explodes

oh, and Pain Elementals, if they return, please make the lost souls actually dangerous when it uses them, in eternal (unless they fixed it) had really buggy homing traits to the point where they'd get stuck in mid air

[hard mesa]

Yeah, archvile in eternal, once you know where they will spawn, you can quickly skip their summons with grenade to falter, pb > launcher lock on x2

[harsh egret]

hugo also mentioned on Viddaz's stream yesterday and i quote:
"i already said the archvile is in the DLC so no reveals here but rn now he’s a bit more frustrating the fun. he should be hard but he does this one attack thats over tuned. We’ll get it."

man is grinding playtesting the dlc even on sundays, respect

[warm ibex]

I wish "final polishing phase" wasn't so broad lol

[harsh egret]

ye lol

there's like 5 million things that gets polished and some part of it probably needs something else to be polished first and etc etc

[warm ibex]

the fact that they're fine tuning enemies and objective pathing makes it seem like they're very close to being done, but they could also have a mountain of other shit to polish as well

[warm ibex]

yeah this too

[harsh egret]

gotta also keep in mind that they will be polishing the dlc until the very last second its out, so an announcement during this polishing phase is guaranteed, just a matter of time 🙂

they just gotta take all the time they need

[warm ibex]

I don't know how much this applies to AAA dev, but for indie development I've heard some refer to the polishing phase's length as 20/80. around 20% of the work, but roughly 80% of the dev time

[harsh egret]

its a grind for sure

[warm ibex]

oh I'm sure it's a massive grind lol

[fresh lintel]

gotta grind for that diamond as they say

[obsidian shard]

DLC Google Doc with all DLC Info so far

[fresh lintel]

was up Jaycool! also thanks! i'll check it out right now

[obsidian shard]

Howdy! and No problemo!

[fresh lintel]

i'll be keeping an eye on this doc, thanks for sharing it with me ^^

[obsidian shard]

Ofc! The Doc is public to view and Comment (Only I can edit and see the comments) It'll typically be updated whenever Hugo (and Josh) Stream!

-# or whenever we get DLC Info

[fresh lintel]

thanks man! major salute to you bro! here's hoping for a confirmation of of the DLC enemies being put into the Ripatorium as well, since it's not very obvious that they will

[solar cairn]

On the contrary, after the main presentation

In the usual case, just trailers of new products represent

[alpine pilot]

[frail bloom]

Ye I agree I don't like Eternal archie's role in just teleporting and basically being a support demon instead of something that takes on the mantle of an agressive and quick demon. I'd rather he work like his classic version(maybe what Hugo was referring to was his yellow hitscan attack) but if it's not classic, atleast be fun and that's all I want.

[final dune]

cosmic archvile perhaps?

[frail bloom]

I mean if they wanted to they can, but the acolyte is basically a cosmic archvile

A cosmic summoner type of sorts

[harsh egret]

ye i kinda doubt they would make a cosmic archvile when u have the acolyte

[grim cloud]

replaying tda on PS5. its a different experiance sitting in a couch with a controler

had to knock the diff down because i suck with controller

[past valve]

Maybe they make him a mini boss and comes with two acolytes

That would be cool

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-eric-tao-ken-leung-industry-industry-hbo-gif-13702557412707969815

[grim cloud]

yah kinda. summoner was harder to deal with the 2016 slayer kit

[grizzled heart]

does anyone know why dlss makes map icons and game effects pixelated?

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-eric-tao-ken-leung-industry-judging-look-gif-4331993311915062113

[green estuary]

The humble stun bomb:

[worldly musk]

I have yet to figure that out myself, thats the only reason I dont use path tracing

[grizzled heart]

i dont have it on?

[worldly musk]

Ohh, well you mentioned pixelation and thats what happens to me when I turn it on, I can run dlss mode fine. Maybe its a hardware limitation

Which sucks cuz that means you need a RTX 5090 to run path tracing w/o pixelation

[grizzled heart]

idk i have nothing on, just dlss does it, but i cant run the damn game without it

they had to force the damn ray tracing so im stuck with dlss

otherwise the game just doesnt run

even with dlss i cant run it on my monitor's actual resolution

and i dont have money to always buy a new gpu

[knotty pewter]

Iirc 4K PT only gets 30 FPS

That’s god awful for a modern game ngl

[green estuary]

this is why you don’t bother with path tracing

Path tracing’s optimization right now is about where RT’s optimization was 5-6 years ago

[harsh egret]

framegen still has room to improve but u have that in the meantime ig, 2x framegen feels pretty good imo

[green estuary]

PT in this game is very much a “for shits and giggles” setting, like RT was in eternal—doesn’t make the game look much better and it absolutely murders your frame rates

[harsh egret]

yh not really worth it atm

in any game really

[grizzled heart]

i wish the base ray tracing could be turned off too

i hate the volumetric noise and the performance impact of it

[green estuary]

atp I couldn’t care less

the game is already big size-wise cuz of the high res textures and the huge areas, without the space saved from not having to include light maps it would probably be insanely large and they’d have to compromise in some other area

[grim cloud]

path tracing doesn't give me enough of a visual upgrade to turn on

it brings my fps down to 50-60

[green estuary]

And it runs well on my my machine, so no harm no foul

[harsh egret]

i feel like forced RT will be adopted by more and more games eventually

[grim cloud]

yah RT is the new GL

i think the first game that forced graphics cards was Quake 3

[harsh egret]

right

[elder raven]

We Agree!

[grizzled heart]

gotta love triple A games for this bs

[harsh egret]

i would yes

i dont think its bs

[green estuary]

I mean at what point are we gonna continue to use 1000 class cards

And whatever the analogue is from AMD that doesn’t support RT

They’re like 9-10 years old at this point

[grizzled heart]

i'll die on the hill saying it is

[grizzled heart]

wdym by that? GTX Cards?

[green estuary]

Yes
Like the 1060, 1070, etc

iirc the 1080 was released in 2016

[harsh egret]

the 20 series is over 7 years old atp

[slender night]

Watching hardware discourse as a console gamer is so interesting

[green estuary]

Like at what other point in time would new triple A games run well on a graphics card from almost a decade ago

[grizzled heart]

well i have a 3070 (used) and it costed me my old 1060+150k in my currency (before ai) and i cant afford a better card, not even a used one at this point

[harsh egret]

the game should run fine on that no

[grizzled heart]

imo Eternal doesnt look much worse than this game, and it actually runs with like 100 fps on 2k res for me without any ray trace or dlss bs

[grizzled heart]

only with dlss that causes these pixelation artifacts and only in FHD

and it feels kinda off

[harsh egret]

dlss quality looks perfectly fine to me

[grizzled heart]

not to me

[past valve]

True man

[grizzled heart]

i've been tryin to find a fix but cant see sh

its also funny that the graphics settings have little to no performance impact, i can play on full ultra nightmare settings with the same fps as lowest graphics

the only thing that actually affects it is the resolution and dlss

[obsidian shard]

Dark Ages utilizes RT as much as possible

(saving 110gb from light maps, 22 maps which are 4-10x bigger then eternals)

[warm ibex]

I wonder if people had discussions like this on internet forums back in the 90's when games started to require a dedicated GPU

[obsidian shard]

I was just about to bring that up funny enough lol

(DOOM3 Required a Dedicaed GPU)

[knotty pewter]

It saves a lot of time on development

Like 6 months to a year bare minimum

[obsidian shard]

Tiaga said it would've taken about 2 more years if they baked everything

[worldly sun]

Half life 2 was a revolution in graphic and it was praised to no end

Today’s people very much against evolution imo

[green estuary]

well somewhat understandably, pc parts pricing have been inflated by the AI bubble

Thank you vega

[obsidian shard]

Vega being the goat rn

[warm ibex]

I wouldn't necessarily say "against evolution". Economy is rough in a lot of places and upgrading to a better PC or next gen console isn't cheap.

It also doesn't help that the genuine explanation behind why they used tracing tech isn't really widespread

[knotty pewter]

Exactly

[obsidian shard]

Tiago talks about it in depth among other thing, and its just pure awesome, Gives em good reason for what they did

(also FUN FACT Lightmaps were being broken due to windows update)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTrdeqMMMK0&t=12s

[warm ibex]

I still need to watch the full video. What I've seen so far is good shit

[knotty pewter]

The 2060 is 8 or 9 years old

[harsh egret]

Tiago* 🤓 ☝️

[worldly sun]

I also noticed people are expecting far more fps now compare back 20 years ago

When I was young 60 fps was the dream

[warm ibex]

Which currently doesn't have a large impact on the price

[knotty pewter]

Fr

[obsidian shard]

ty goat

[knotty pewter]

?

It does tho lmao

[warm ibex]

prices for the Xbox Series consoles and PS5s are higher than they were at launch six years ago and AI has driven PC part prices through the roof

[knotty pewter]

GPUs get more inexpensive on the used market as time goes on

[obsidian shard]

It does and Doesn't

it does cause its a 9 year old GPU

It doesn't because the ai stuff rn is making all GPU's Crazy expensive

-# sent before i finished typing

[harsh egret]

ram as well, tho that's less of an issue for most ppl who already have a pc and with enough ram in their pc

[obsidian shard]

ya ok buddy, dont need to brag

(Kidding)

[harsh egret]

it was kinda funny, i upgraded my ram a bit before the prices skyrocketed, but then i waited a bit to sell my old ram and when i finally did sell it, the prices started to skyrocket like a week after

[hazy pasture]

kekw

[warm ibex]

very nice work man 🔥

[knotty pewter]

I have 32 GBs

[hazy pasture]

Good work

[chilly needle]

Finally beat pandemonium. Take that stupid enhanced azhrak.

[umbral flint]

Will this game have its own mod launcher like eternals?

[wintry forge]

That’s awesome dude! He’s definitely a pain on the higher difficulties lmao

[chilly needle]

Haha ya he killed 2 of my runs

[misty panther]

Big Floppa

[obsidian shard]

Unknown, could be in 5 years for all we know (Eternals came out like 5 years after the games release)

[spiral crow]

Almost done playtesting the hell out of my next ripatorium encounter preset

But i'm still balancing it things out so it's fair yet annoying in a good way

But i'll drop a tiny nugget just to get people excited to play it and that word is "Whip"

[obsidian shard]

Noo, anything but that...please

(also W pfp)

[simple mauve]

I can't tell why but when i play this game vs eternal i feel like i have some input lag. anyone know why? Is it from using 2x frame generation?

maybe its just from dlss quality idk

[hearty edge]

probably

although frame gen doesn't actually add that much latency it does add some compared to ur base fps due to the added processing power

and since ur base fps are lower that on eternal that translates to more latency

[spiral crow]

Lol thanks

Gotta do my part here XD

[simple mauve]

what rune for shield is a great all rounder?

[obsidian shard]

Ground Fissure is a great all rounder

[simple mauve]

auto turret meh?

[obsidian shard]

I personally love it and it's GREAT for bosses

[spiral crow]

Tbh never used the Auto turret except for the mission challenges

My two favorites are the daggers and the ground fissure

[simple mauve]

93% complete on ry'uul. Now i wish I checked the automap more this level.. lol

[spiral crow]

But i think ground fissure is my most used shield rune because i love using it alongside the combat shotgun and the flail for alot of armor

[fading bone]

hell yeah

[fading bone]

heaven splitter is the best rune

auto turret is absolute doodoo

[obsidian shard]

I'm disappointed

[fading bone]

you know it's true

no amount of "aura" can change that fact!

[simple mauve]

#screenshots cant find how to open this

[fading bone]

go to the right theres a shield bash door at the bottom of the shipwreck

and theres one of those eye gates to throw your shield into that opens it

[fresh lintel]

shoulder gun should've done more :/ maybe flaming bullets for armor and health

[fading bone]

yeah. just the fact that you have to consciously aim it already puts it a clear level below the others that dont require any extra thinking after the parry hits

[fresh lintel]

that is weird how it requires you to aim while the game kinda teaches you to switch targets to prioritize heavy hitters..

[warm ibex]

It seems as if the shoulder turret was originally its own thing instead of a Shield Rune, which sort of explains why it's a bit basic compared to the others. There's concept art of a triple barreled upgrade for the machine gun variant along with an alternate grenade launcher variant (pictured below) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1493871759466692688/image.png?ex=69e08bfe&is=69df3a7e&hm=3d263630e7cc877582163e21bccbcc152989451b3bfeac84473c9b2bc065b889

my personal theory is that the shoulder turret was originally created as a way for players to continuously dish out damage while blocking, but who knows

[grizzled heart]

i'd rather wait more and have a better running game without ray trace artifacts..

[fresh lintel]

hmm.. makes me wonder why it was scrapped.. maybe they figured it was too many buttons to press and manage? i mean.. imagine blocking, then needing to press and hold another button while continuing to block, and moving and managing all the enemies

next time you interview Hugo, ask him about that im curious to know

[warm ibex]

this and the caco's minigame-esq shield wall attack makes me feel like the combat pacing was slower at some point in development, leading to more scenarios where you'd need to hold block during combat instead of rushing forwards and attacking head on. If this is true, then I'd imagine the on-demand shoulder turret served little purpose after they made the switch to a faster loop that requires practically no block holding. Not a ton of evidence to support that though

I'd love to ask Hugo if there's any validity behind that lol

[fresh lintel]

i'd definitely watch a live showing of some beta footage if there's anymore that hasn't been revealed, i've seen SOME where standard glory kills were present

i've seen some where an Axe was involved and the gameplay was similar to the marauders in battle mode, a lot of the glory kills from the beta footage are gnarly

lemme see if i can find the footage, i'll send it to ya if you haven't seen it already

[hazy pasture]

The pre release cut content footage that you mentioned was released by Tatsuo Matsumoto

I believe doomtubers (mostly) know about it by now

[fresh lintel]

well you never know

[hazy pasture]

Horse Mode Gaming definitely knows

[fresh lintel]

but yeah, the beta glory kills were great, straight up slamming the flail into a battleknights head with so much force

oh and the axe throw looked like a falter instead of the shield saw's stun

[hazy pasture]

Definitely the same animation and all from Eternal BM Marauder anim assets

[fresh lintel]

yeah, even used the same super shotgun model

same sounds even now that im listening to it closer

[knotty pewter]

Ray trace artifacts?

[warm ibex]

honestly I feel like a lot of the community's fussing over glory kills could've been solved if they just added like four or five more optional animations per enemy :P

[hazy pasture]

SSG reload animation was faster in general back then. Considering the Slayer concepts revolved around Jetpacks and all, maybe pre production phase saw Slayer being faster but grounded than his released version(very much like Eternal Slayer but grounded)

[grizzled heart]

the noisy volumetrics are killin me bro

[warm ibex]

don't get me wrong though, I like the current system a lot more than glory kills

[hazy pasture]

Reused D16 from-back Mancubus GK anim...

[knotty pewter]

Wym?

[fresh lintel]

i don't mind "glory strikes" hot take, i think they're equal in terms of impact, like if you use the gauntlet or flail you can still see pieces of the demon your fighting just rip right off, i love using the gauntlet the most when in medium combat, just punching a hellknights arm off is some mortal kombat shit

[knotty pewter]

Show an example

[hazy pasture]

Real time strikes and executions are fun basically

[grizzled heart]

gimme like half an hour for that since i cant even do damn screenshots in the game

[fresh lintel]

yeah i like em both :) each have their own version of "impact"

[warm ibex]

yeah the melee combat is fun as hell. being able to execute enemies without needing to preform a dedicated animation is also super fluid

[knotty pewter]

The lack of I frames bothers me a bit tho

[hazy pasture]

Horde... what do you think they will do with the current Glory Strike system in the next entry?

[fresh lintel]

my favorite glory strike is when you back hand an imp stalker with your shield, just a standard "out the way b*tch"

[warm ibex]

I love that lmao

[hazy pasture]

Kekw

[fresh lintel]

love the loud "Bong" that it makes

[hazy pasture]

Mmm bones cracking to salt particle levels... very soothing

[fresh lintel]

i should try and record the glory strikes, i'd love to make a gif of it XD

[warm ibex]

honestly I'm not sure, but I have faith they'll innovate on the current system instead of just going back to the old one. I've played Eternal a decent amount this past month (around four hours total) and I don't miss the stop-and-go nature of synced glory kills.

The animations themselves are wicked, but in a game like Doom it's the combat that matters above all else

And I would rather not sacrifice fluidity for cool executions

[hazy pasture]

It's very plausible that they'll innovate on the system before moving on and making a new one

[grizzled heart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/1l5k1ar/lightsfogs_dithering_after_update_1_ps5/
its kinda like this

[fresh lintel]

very true, on an animation stand point, it's amazing to see all the details, like the real fear on an imps face, or when you kill a marauder with his own axe and he tries to look up at you and his face is just "oh shit"

[hazy pasture]

I find my fists connecting with mandibles cooler than stomping heads

[fresh lintel]

but glory strikes is better for gameplay consistency

[hazy pasture]

Also I like how Cybies look flabbergasted in TDA when you hit the from the above GK execution on em

[warm ibex]

the Marauder stopping your fist never gets old, that one is an all timer lol

[hazy pasture]

Marauder copied Azhrak but forgot to stab the very next moment

[fresh lintel]

i love that one! the look of "you ain't stopping me!" immediately switches to "oh god.." as soon as that doomblade comes out

[warm ibex]

I would have to agree, absolutely. Moving through enemies feels more consistent and fluid than stopping to rip them in half imo

[grizzled heart]

bruh

[warm ibex]

buddy is not cut out for this

[fresh lintel]

yeah, Hugo clearly stated you're a tank in the Dark Ages, and what do tanks do? move and don't stop, something gets in the way? run it over!

[warm ibex]

exactly!

TDA glory kills need to be talked about more ngl. The Cyberdemon unzip glorykill is fucking spectacular

[hazy pasture]

Next Doom game will ask you to play as a bicycle. Whenever a demon spots you, you'll have to run away to deal a constant and lingering damage on the demon. Trying to fight the demon will always result in a massive -50 self inflicted damage point occurrence, resulting in YOU being the one who is staggered

[random sand]

The one there you slice the thing in two?

[hazy pasture]

Cybie just let's that happen

[warm ibex]

yeah it's super sick

[fresh lintel]

ah yes, the good ol "head to unmentionables"

[random sand]

True. Mancubus got the same one. It's sick. Using the shield saw to literally cut them in half

[random sand]

I mean, what can he really do to stop it😭

[fresh lintel]

i actually like when you sheild bash and immediately go into the animation

[hazy pasture]

Desire for survivability of a cotton candy

[fresh lintel]

it's like "SUP I'M HERE NOW, DIE"

[warm ibex]

that always feels clean as hell

the Vagary decapitation is also gnarly

[random sand]

What could brother even do to stop that💔

[warm ibex]

Would be cool if they weren't mostly arial stomps though. The mancubus back glory kill is the only non-transitional synced animation that isn't air-based iirc

[hazy pasture]

I like how the Shield literally falls down after the decapitation rather than boomeranging back

[hazy pasture]

D16 flashbacks...

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doomguy-doom-slayer-absolute-cinema-gif-11606677432043572262

[hazy pasture]

A good detail on the weightiness of the shield itself

[fresh lintel]

any champion glory kill is just cool

bisecting the agaddon hunter and just kicking his top half away like trash
forcing the vagary down to your level to stomp it's head into the ground

such amazing animations

[warm ibex]

they killed it with the animations once again

better and better with each game dude

[random sand]

I like that the shield struggles a little to return to the Slayer when sticking it to the Vagary. Nice touch

[hazy pasture]

Arachnotron's from the back GK was something. Brotato was writhing in pain

[uneven dragon]

cheered when i pulled that off it's the best GK in the series

[fresh lintel]

exactly! it's like the skin of the vagary is thick enough to keep it mostly in place which really ends up causing it more pain :)

[random sand]

Doesn't bro just get stepped on in both his GKs?

[hazy pasture]

In from the front one, he literally becomes a salsa paste

[fresh lintel]

that's a great way to put that XD

[random sand]

And then in its final moments it gets on the ground knowing full well what the Slayer intends to do, sees the foot come up and screams in terror :D

[random sand]

Yeah lmao

[fresh lintel]

pure fear on that face in the final moments

[random sand]

I actually kinda felt bad for it when i first saw that😭

[fresh lintel]

im so happy to have this upgraded laptop, on my old one i was struggling to keep 60 fps in HANDHELD mode now i can run, record and stream on ultra nightmare settings at around 80 - 90 FPS

[hazy pasture]

Don't forget how my goat Caco looks when kicked in berserker state in Eternal

[fresh lintel]

and when im not recording or streaming it shoots to 135

[hazy pasture]

Clueless till the end

[fresh lintel]

omg! you straight up socker kick his ass, straight up GOAL!

[random sand]

Similar sich for me. My pc was kinda ass when i got TDA but i later got upgrades. Before, i could barely get 50 fps on low. Now i get max frames on ultra nightmare

[fresh lintel]

ayyyyye nice

[random sand]

Didn't really pay attention to that but i do remember the pain elemental's scared face when you stab its eye out lol

[hazy pasture]

lol true

[random sand]

This rtx 5060ti is really doing wonders i tell ya

[hazy pasture]

yeah kekw

[random sand]

Before it, i had a 2060

[fresh lintel]

the one first showed at quakecon or a different stab the eye out animation?

[fresh lintel]

omg same!!!

[earnest silo]

Hey guys how are y'all

[fresh lintel]

i upgraded to a 5070ti

[fresh lintel]

wassup

[random sand]

Not sure. Haven't watched the one showed at quakecon but it's probably that one

[random sand]

God damn. Yeah the 5060ti was pricey enough so it'd have to do. And it does the job pretty well

[fresh lintel]

oh that one you pry it's mouth open and use the doomblade to force the eye out of its socket, before the blade does its thing the pain elemental looks down at you like "the f*ck you doin?" and he then realizes and goes "oh shit.."

[random sand]

Yep lmao

[fresh lintel]

also i was rewatching the quakecon reveal for DOOM Eternal and I realized that the cut track 265 BPM is in super gore nest during the mouse and keyboard section

[random sand]

How the hell can a track even be 265 BPM. Brotha just did that for the memes. Not practical at all💔

[fresh lintel]

when i finally heard it i was like shocked cause like, i've heard it on it's own, but to hear it with gameplay made me realize just how right Mick was about not using that track

the song itself just demands so much from you, like it's too much XD

here lemme find it

im not sure if i can send youtube links so if it's ok can i dm it to you @random sand ??

[random sand]

You can dm it yeah

I also think yt links are fine here

[knotty pewter]

Idk

Never had that

[grizzled heart]

it only gets acceptable when i play on the max resolution which is 2k for me

but then the game is unplayable

[knotty pewter]

Why aren’t you playing on your monitor’s highest resolution anyways?

[grizzled heart]

cuz the game runs like ass?

it only runs acceptable in FHD

[knotty pewter]

No? 😭

What GPU?

[grizzled heart]

3070

[knotty pewter]

Just use DLSS Quality in 1440P

[grizzled heart]

i am?

it still runs like dogshit

[knotty pewter]

What FPS?

[grizzled heart]

not even 30 i think

i get about like 60-70 in FHD with DLSS

[knotty pewter]

That’s not normal

[grizzled heart]

well thats what happens tho

[knotty pewter]

On a 5060 laptop (which is slightly less powerful) I got around 50 FPS in 1440P with DLSS Quality

What CPU do you have?

[grizzled heart]

i guess a 5060 is somehow tuffer then

[grizzled heart]

ryzen 5 5600x

and i got 32 gigs of ddr4

[knotty pewter]

They’re the exact same performance btw

[knotty pewter]

Something is definitely wrong then idk

[grizzled heart]

they should be

[knotty pewter]

It should be running better

[grizzled heart]

im looking at my obs recording rn

the game looks a lot better in the record than actually

it doesnt have the pixelated effects

[knotty pewter]

Compression

[grizzled heart]

??

wdym??

[earnest silo]

Just saw that you can play TDA with RX 580 on Linux using Emulated Ray Tracing. Maybe someone needed this info xd

[knotty pewter]

Someone could probably mod the game to use SSRTGI, bypass the hardware RT core requirement for RT Shadows and from there you just turn off RT Reflections and on any half decent GTX or older Radeon GPU it’ll run good with minimal visual downgrades

Speculation tho

[chilly needle]

Holy swarm is by far best rune

[knotty pewter]

You would have to run handheld shadows tho

[fading bone]

laughs in heaven splitter

[chilly needle]

Heaven splitter doesn't hold a candle to holy swarm. But its second for sure

[fading bone]

completely disagree

[chilly needle]

Its a good one no doubt. But holy swarm just causes too much dps

[fading bone]

heaven splitter stunning a whole arena and alleyooping you for a phat dreadmace bonk with no consequences is insanely strong

plus the bonus shock damage

[chilly needle]

Heaven splitter is nice but doesnt mow down a swarm of enemies in my path

[fading bone]

but it allows you to and also prevents you from taking any damage

all the best players just use only heaven splitter the moment they unlock it

[chilly needle]

True but the Holy swarm takes down more enemies quicker. Better for my play style

[chilly needle]

Not all

[fading bone]

the WR speedrunners all use it so

[chilly needle]

Speed run isnt real game play so

[fading bone]

sure it is lol

[chilly needle]

Not at all

Speed run is just cheating and hacking

[fading bone]

lmao what

[chilly needle]

Breaking the game

Finding glitches and stuff

[fading bone]

TDA has very few glitched and things to abuse

but regardless thats not even impacting the rune interactions

[hazy pasture]

Lightning before the thunder vs magical swords from classic disney fantasy shows ahh battle

[chilly needle]

I wouldn't know cause I play the game the right way

[fading bone]

they still have to fight the same fights

[chilly needle]

Good for them.

They still try to cheat and break the game

Thats what speed running is.

Most best players i know only use the swarm

[fading bone]

but like the runes have nothing to do with glitching the game

the fight interactions are still the same for runes

[chilly needle]

Not for speed runners

[fading bone]

yes it is lol

[chilly needle]

They find glitches to skip fights

[fading bone]

ok but the skips are not related to the runes

[chilly needle]

So most fights need the swarm

[fading bone]

the skips are with shield dashing to skip fights

the runes arent involved with skips

[chilly needle]

To skip fights yup thats right

[fading bone]

yes but....thats not a rune

[chilly needle]

Correct. Thats not what im saying

[fading bone]

ok so what are you saying then

[chilly needle]

That speed runners aren't real players and for real players the Holy swarm is the best rune. I used to use heaven splitter but once I did more research and strategy I found holy swarm was Definitely the way to go. And of course after watching the insane UN guys on YouTube do the holy swarm

[fading bone]

yes but youre saying that speed runners arent playing the game the real way because of glitches to skip fights correct?

[chilly needle]

Honestly any of them but the auto turret

[chilly needle]

And they try to beat the game as fast as possible because of that. No story, no immersion. Whats the point? Like the guy's that can beat eternal in 30 minutes. Whats the point.

[fading bone]

because they found the best and most efficient way to beat the game as quickly as possible. so that means a lot of the mechanics and runes and weapon combos they pick are the best at clearing arenas the fastest and most efficiently

right?

[chilly needle]

Nope

[fading bone]

why not

[chilly needle]

They skip fights

[slender night]

Story is something you can only really reenjoy every few months at best, same for immersion

[fading bone]

ok so i said that

[chilly needle]

The one video I saw of the speedrunning on eternal.He skipped about ninety percent of the level

[fading bone]

ok but this is dark ages not eternal

[chilly needle]

Not at all

[slender night]

Gameplay you can ALWAYS sharpen. Speedruns focus on just that. Mastering the game. Beating it so quickly boils down to just playing the game perfectly

The point of speedruns is to master the game

[chilly needle]

Right so same logic applies

[fading bone]

the way they skip is diffetent

no its not. theres completely different mechanics

[chilly needle]

No, they just use glitches and flyover stuff.And try to clip through walls and things like that

[fading bone]

you cannot skip levels in eternal like tda

[knotty pewter]

Doesn’t mean they aren’t good tho lol

[chilly needle]

Didn't say they weren't good

[fading bone]

and in TDA none of the skips are related to runes

this conversation was about which runes are the best

[chilly needle]

Correct

[fading bone]

so speedrunners skipping arenas has no impact on which rune is the best because runes are not involved with the skips

so that means if theres WR speedrunners using a specific rune, that means it is very strong and is worth considering

and you cant just say that becauase a speedrunner uses it that means its invalid

[chilly needle]

And yes you can

[fading bone]

dont go off topic thats not important lol

[chilly needle]

And again you were missing the point. You brought up speed runners

[fading bone]

we're talking about runes

[chilly needle]

Yes 🤣

[fading bone]

so you agree with this?

[chilly needle]

Yes cause speed runners aren't real players so whatever rune they use is really their preference if they even get a rune other than ground fissure.

[fading bone]

ok but like theyre very good at the game and can clear arenas very fast with their rune selection. so that means those runes they choose are very good

and if they only choose one rune after all are unlocked, that means that rune is probably the best

[chilly needle]

They spend more time trying to glitch than fight

[fading bone]

oh my god lol

[chilly needle]

And most UN people ive seen on the tube gonhply swarm

[fading bone]

we're not talking about the glitches right now

[chilly needle]

Its why I use swarm

[fading bone]

we're talking about the fights

as you also agreed, the glitches are not related to the fights

[chilly needle]

Which is why the swarm is top notch

[harsh egret]

if you're saying heaven splitter is objectively worse than holy swarm then that sounds to me like skill issue to me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1493916892115636244/caught-emote-caught-emoji.png?ex=69e0b606&is=69df6486&hm=1dfd10c35707273a8afda4946be427fcfc96beaac0ccb06322c221c68ab1d63e&

[chilly needle]

Ya so you guy's should up your skill

[fading bone]

but heaven splitter is better

[chilly needle]

Nah

Its good though. Id give it second place.

[harsh egret]

??

[fading bone]

are you being purposefully obtuse lol

[chilly needle]

No im not a triangle

Thats a joke btw

[chilly needle]

For them heaven splitter 🤣

[fading bone]

you agreed with the logic of runes not being involved with glitches. but then you just keep saying "speed runners use glitches so their rune choice is wrong"

[harsh egret]

brother what are u saying

[chilly needle]

We aren't talking about speed runners

[fading bone]

what??? LOL

[chilly needle]

Lets make a list:

1. Swarm
2. Heaven splitter
3. Ground
4. Stupid auto turret

[fading bone]

im being trolled

[harsh egret]

lmao

[fading bone]

ive been completely baited i cant believe i fell for it

[hazy pasture]

Yes according to you

[chilly needle]

Correct

[chilly needle]

No my dude 🤣

[hazy pasture]

Aight then have fun

[chilly needle]

You too silly

[harsh egret]

bro is trolling two chats simultaneously

[chilly needle]

Not at all

[hazy pasture]

Yeah you sound too familiar...

I see the pattern

[chilly needle]

Sure because I have opinions that aren't yours Im "trolling" or its called you can respect my opinion like I respect yours and grow up.

[harsh egret]

but u arent being subjective

[fading bone]

its not the opinion thing. im just explaining logic and youre just ignoring the logic after you agreed to it and just saying other random things that arent related to the topic lol

[hazy pasture]

Respecting opinions is one thing and deliberately being subjective and neglecting other's views is another

[chilly needle]

Which thats what you are doing

To me

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[harsh egret]

no?

[fading bone]

great question polech

[hazy pasture]

? bruh

[random sand]

we must find doom

[chilly needle]

Saying im trolling for trying to have a conversation about doom stuff In a doom discord for my doom opinions 🤣

[harsh egret]

[hazy pasture]

sure sure

[worldly musk]

I'd argue Ground Fissure is extremely slept on

[alpine pilot]

[fading bone]

i also agree. i like ground fissure before getting heaven splitter

[chilly needle]

Anything but auto turret

[worldly musk]

fully beefed up its an armormaxxer

[hazy pasture]

It can falter vagaries

[worldly musk]

yeah auto turret is just not efficient by itself, i'd sooner use the Ravager + Vampirism to replenish health than the auto turret

[fading bone]

yeah i use fissure for the falters more than anything

[random sand]

i like heaven splitter most. i prefer upgrades that let me do the killing. not letting me watch them die

[worldly musk]

thats a fair point

[hazy pasture]

Experimenting with runes is fun tbh

[chilly needle]

Definitely fair

[hazy pasture]

Even though most of the time Auto Turret falls behind others significantly

[worldly musk]

i try to consciously cycle between them all to get used to different styles of combat

[random sand]

true. i used to primarily use the swords because they were pretty busted. eventually started using heaven splitter because it made the game more fun. as i said, let me do the killing

[hazy pasture]

Heaven Splitter + Dreadmace ftw

[random sand]

i use heaven splitter and the fists. that's most fun for me

[chilly needle]

Thats why I use the flail. Its more fun

It doesnt cause more damage but man its fun

[hazy pasture]

If we're considering build based gunplay then daggers fit Skull crusher class the most

[worldly musk]

as much as i love the Dreadmace, that jank where it takes 2 seconds to actually connect has killed me in so many runs

[random sand]

i just like throwing hands with cyberdemons tbh. it's fun as hell

[harsh egret]

the flail does so little damage that for me its making it unfun to use

[hazy pasture]

One cycle Agaddons

[random sand]

yup

[worldly musk]

lol same and the Flail is my favorite new weapon in the game, shame that it does so little damage

[chilly needle]

I like how the flail breaks armor

[random sand]

that last 4th punch is so satisfying

[chilly needle]

The flail is just better immersion in my opinion

And that's the main reason I play games is for fun.And immersion

[random sand]

the flail looks a bit odd when you remove the slow-mo. it attacks way too fast. kinda throws me off

[worldly musk]

I'm sure they're gonna buff it in the next update

[hazy pasture]

Flail is useful with Accelerator/Rocket Launcher with Cannibalism and Blood Sacrifice

[harsh egret]

yh but u can do that to more or less the same degree without crippling urself with bad melee damage, tho it is the coolest visually when u attack and all that

[hazy pasture]

deals the most dmg

[chilly needle]

Blood sacrifice is tight

[alpine pilot]

I like heaven splitter as a support tool. I have my guns for the killing, flail for armor breaking and resource recovery, and splitter for supporting by creating wider openings and ground control.

[random sand]

yeah. it's so satisfying to get that last punch off and daze them

[worldly musk]

yeah everyones on the Cooked rocket train, I actually LOVE blood sacrifice

[hazy pasture]

Polech has the best opinion outta all

[chilly needle]

Definitely true. Thats where the immersion wins for me. Even though I use the ssg to break armor more.

[chilly needle]

I haven't tried it so I need to mess around with it

[hazy pasture]

Cooked is very situational man

[worldly musk]

Blood Sacrifice + Fists + SSG is basically brawler

[hazy pasture]

I would rather have my splash damage increased

It's definitely useful if you got buncha imp stalkers and super heavies

[worldly musk]

basically, if you like being in their faces, Blood Sacrifice. if you like to attack from a distance, Cooked

[hazy pasture]

Yeah

[worldly musk]

what i'm curious about is just how much the combat loop is going to change when the DLC drops

[harsh egret]

well as you know... it will be the same but different

[hazy pasture]

New stuff added to old stuff

It won't change drastically

[random sand]

it seems they're mixing TDA and Eternal into one so it could lowkey be the most fun doom combat loop yet

[alpine pilot]

they put doom in my doom

[random sand]

yes. they're putting doom in doom

[worldly musk]

isn't that all you've ever wanted Polech? lmao

[alpine pilot]

yes

[hazy pasture]

Waiter! More DOOM in my Doom please

[random sand]

we finally know where doom is

[worldly musk]

IT'S BEEN IN DOOM THIS ENTIRE TIME!

[harsh egret]

[white marlin]

In doom the entire time.

[random sand]

the plot twist no one saw coming. doom... was in DOOM

[worldly musk]

craziest twist since the sixth sense

[hazy pasture]

TDA chat reaction

[random sand]

roll credits with from the ashes playing

[worldly musk]

so we know the Archvile is coming back, what about the Pain Elemental?

[random sand]

not confirmed. only archie is confirmed

[hazy pasture]

Cosmic pain elemental specifically designed to roam in the unknown floras in Cosmic Realm

[random sand]

would be interesting if we get to see regular cacos here tho. as much as i love the hybrid one, i wanna see my meatball again

[hazy pasture]

He'll shoot out Purple Goo

[worldly musk]

oooh yeah OG Cacos would be sweet

even showing how the cosmic realm twists them into the Hybrids would be awesome to see

[alpine pilot]

hellish space balls

[hazy pasture]

Blue lightning ball spitter

[white marlin]

Anyone who played nova legacy in their childhood?

[random sand]

one eyed blood balloon

[hazy pasture]

No I played Nova 1,2,3

[worldly musk]

Nightmarish Blood Balloon

[random sand]

cute lil ball :D

[hazy pasture]

Legacy was when I turned into a stupid teen

[white marlin]

I only played legacy

[frosty roost]

is that davoth in your pfp?

[white marlin]

Yes

Imma change my name to hairy davoth now

[harsh egret]

[hazy pasture]

[white marlin]

[chilly needle]

Imagine in eternal during the cutscene if Davoth was hairy all over.

[white marlin]

That wouldve been me.

Lmfao.

[chilly needle]

The sigil would just be back hair

[white marlin]

Hairy azhrak would look great

[chilly needle]

Alright kids im going to work. When I get home I expect you all to be way nicer and more respectful

[chilly needle]

Enhanced hairy azhrak

[white marlin]

YES!

[white marlin]

You sound like a mom.😆

[chilly needle]

And he would destroy all my pandemonium runs

[white marlin]

Enjoy ur day tho!

[chilly needle]

Im a dad but ya i definitely see and hear that 🤪

[frosty roost]

[white marlin]

I wanna fight both enhanced azhrak and davoth at the same time on UN. Yes, i wouldn't be able to win but yeah, it will be fun.

[frosty roost]

y'know what, I'm changing my pfp to davoth

[white marlin]

Use the same as mine!

[frosty roost]

#general @white marlin

[serene schooner]

thatd be a manly version of azhrak

[chilly needle]

A hairy chest azhrak. Its his version of the Prater suit

[white marlin]

They should lowk make a hairy doom guy skin

[harsh egret]

[frosty roost]

no

[chilly needle]

That would be dope

[uncut thistle]

just finished doom the dark ages and it was a solid 9/10 experience
I am in love with the shield and Spoiler: ||||Serrat's death pissed me off in a I felt the slayer's anger way. I locked in during the final boss fight after that. Man why does the slayer have to lose his pets. Didn't the demons get the memo that killing the slayer's pets only makes him a bigger and angrier threat after daisy.||

my only complaint is the exploration at times I felt like I do a lot of back tracking to get the secrets. I stopped searching for materials after I got the upgrades I wanted. Eternal's exploration felt better but thats probably because all of the movement kits slayer had in that game IDK

Also gotta ask, how yall played TDA? I only sticked with couple of weapons and barely switched to the alternative weapons in the same class.

after Eternal it felt criminal to do ngl XD

[round maple]

I also did the same, I’m not saying it’s bad but like you said it felt wrong after playing eternal lmao

[white marlin]

Sure will be.

[knotty crane]

I just used the super shotgun 99% of the time. The only time I didn’t use it was in the final two boss fights.

[round maple]

I’m glad to finally see more people giving doom tda appreciation

That game is peak

[chilly needle]

Ya this game was more designed for sticking with a gun you like bs having to use your whole aresenal

[uncut thistle]

super shotgun to clear the weaker heavy demons like the arachnotrons
impaler for cacodemons
the plasma rifle for 1v1 the big demons
the skull gun for clearing large groups of fodders

[chilly needle]

I agree. But thats how the first doom was in 93 they went back to the roots haha.

[uncut thistle]

never hated it lol
just didn't had the specs to run it
and my current spec barely runs it at 60fps XD

barely reaching the minimum requirements

[chilly needle]

60 fps is good

Isnt that what most consoles are?

Or am I dumb?

[uncut thistle]

I will probably gonna look up some guides for the secrets cus I don't wanna search the wolf statues

[uncut thistle]

30 fps iirc

I am on pc

[chilly needle]

Ya I play on pc and xbox and both look great to me. But im old 🤷‍♂️

[uncut thistle]

game looks great considering I am completely on low settings

[white marlin]

How was life during WW1?

[chilly needle]

I can tell a difference on eternal on the dark ages.I can't tell a difference.And I think eternal looks far better than the dark ages does

[chilly needle]

We had to ration our canned beans

Woodrow Wilson was on the radio

[uncut thistle]

I think both looks great
eternal in an arcadey way
dark ages in a grim dark way

[white marlin]

I did not expect this ngl😆

[chilly needle]

Definitely both look great

[white marlin]

This is true. Both have different themes and look good in their own ways.

[uncut thistle]

I love the new trilogy of doom games
my only complaint is the exploration of both 2016 and TDA but thats a minor issue considering you only have to do once per save

[chilly needle]

Do you think 2016 exploration is similar to TDA?

[uncut thistle]

yeah. same thing happened there as well. I stopped searching for secrets after I got the upgrades I wanted XD

the only exploration I enjoyed was eternal but that game had both a enjoyable movement kit and fast travel

[chilly needle]

Tjats me in TDA. Once I have my runes shield and guns upgraded that I use I don't care about any other secrets after my first 100 percent completion especially if im doing pandemonium or UN

[uncut thistle]

if TDA or 2016 also had fast travel at the end of the level, I would probably collected all the secrets

[white marlin]

Exploring on UN is just crazy...

Did that on eternal and i died lmao

[uncut thistle]

I will do a nightmare run first after I 100% my ultra violence save then I will attempt UN
I completed both 2016 and eternal's UN, how hard can it be XD

[white marlin]

I didn't have any extra lives

[uncut thistle]

you can't get extra lives in UN anyway XD

[white marlin]

I've completed UN too, i just didn't explore the second time.

Like finding secrets and all

[uncut thistle]

I only went for the upgrade secrets in UN runs and didn't bothered with codex pages and all

I mostly don't complete the challenges in UN because it can be risky to do some of them
or you get fixated on the challenge and make mistakes

tho I didn't expected my favorite gun to be the plasma gun lol

plasma gun on 1v1 is splendid

[chilly needle]

Bro I still cant beat any of them on UN and its been 10 years for 2016 and 6 for eternal. If you cam beat 2016 on UN you are a beast

[uncut thistle]

I legit bear UN on eternal near launch lol
Tho tbh I was playing the game non stop like morning to night due to covid and all.

My strat was beat the level on nightmare then on UN save

[chilly needle]

Thats a good strat. I should give that a shot. My biggest issue in 2016 is falling

[uncut thistle]

2016 took me longer cus its a much more pain in the ass

[uncut thistle]

Yep
Was about to mention that lol

2016 might took longer to beat for me vs eternal

After getting the certain upgrades like free armor from ssg etc, the game becomes a streamrole

I died more on early stages vs later stages.
Going for upgrades is key

[crude kraken]

tda has a much smoother difficulty progression compared to eternal and 2016

[uncut thistle]

I still like ultra violence as my comfort zone in each game. Not too hard and not too easy. I like nightmare as a challenge but its much more stressful compared to UV so I usually stick to UV for most of the time like horde mode in eternal

[crude kraken]

i like nightmare, i feel like it forces you to understand the game and really engage with it

[uncut thistle]

Don't get me wrong. I also like nightmare but I wouldn't personally pick it for casual gameplay I do with doom games after I completely finish them. I just want to chill with demon slaying.

Nightmare is more like a challenge mode to me.

[chilly needle]

I play on nightmare on all of them. Just can't ever get the UN. Farthest ive gotten on TDA was ancestral forge

[fading bone]

UN on tda is just brutal for how damn long the game is

[random sand]

TDA's one is its own way of being hard. Eternal is just hard. TDA is hard too but the hardest thing about it is that it's so long. So many levels and if you in them once, run over

And trust me. The pain you feel when you die in the later levels... ooo boi think my desk's still feeling the punches i gave it😭

[chilly needle]

For sure it makes replayability not as fun cause you gotta go through so much

[chilly needle]

I feel that bro

[random sand]

I died in the final battle against Ahzrak once. What followed was screams followed by me giving my desk a good beating. I'm honestly shocked it still stands

[split gate]

https://tenor.com/view/csgo-banging-table-angry-mad-rage-quit-gif-17478101

[random sand]

Yeah something like that

[split gate]

Most of my deaths for UN were in the fourth and fifth levels

[random sand]

Some of mine were funnily enough from the same spot. That one encounter in the command station with a bunch of enraged soldiers

[fading bone]

the most deaths ive had in this game are that fucking last fight in sentinel command station

but thankfully ive figured out a better way to do it now and have gotten it more consistently

[split gate]

Oh that one sucks

Got me panicking if I miss the parry from the Caco

[fading bone]

theres no caco in that fight

[random sand]

Indeed it does. To this day idk if the best strat there is to take it slow and shoot from range or to just rush in

[fading bone]

thats the one with the empowered pinky and the million soldiers and the whiplash and hellknight

[random sand]

Yes

[fading bone]

that hallway is also a total pain in the ass

[split gate]

Yeah I was referring to just cacos in general

[fading bone]

empowered whiplashes are just so fucking tanky its absurd

[split gate]

Like I’m fine with whatever but the moment I see a caco, I lock in more

[random sand]

Cacos in TDA can go fff...mmm holds in every swear word i know

[chilly needle]

Bro thats devastating

[random sand]

That's putting it mildly

[chilly needle]

Agreed 🤣

[split gate]

Only a slight inconvenience

[random sand]

Well yeah i did do it eventually but oh boy that death got me thinkin' (that picture of the guy staring at a rope is probably banned here)

[fading bone]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-me-drink-bleach-gif-22890796

[split gate]

Is it really a downside if we get to hear Unchained Predator again 🗣️

[random sand]

Yeah that works

[random sand]

I do that on the daily with spotify😭

[split gate]

Get ready to do it again for the DLC folks

[random sand]

https://tenor.com/view/indignation-jump-window-done-gif-3443826

[balmy pilot]

Bro no-

[split gate]

Me when I realise the DLC is the equivalent of TAG 1 difficulty knowing it will be a peak gaming experience but straight ass for a UN run

[random sand]

I just won't do it in UN :D (unless it's a new achievement to do that, in which case, fuck off Id😭)

[split gate]

You know they’ll put some diabolical tomfoolery like that secret arena in one of the Cosmic levels or the room with the buffed Marauder in TAG1 that you have no choice but to kill to win

[random sand]

Istg bro

They really be making doom immersive with making you feel like a soldier fighting hell

[split gate]

When you raise the difficulty but the power fantasy is taken away from you and given to the demons instead

[random sand]

They dont be fearing you anymore. You be fearing them😭

When i see that fuckass archvile return in an arena
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/715577075041304630/1379783295281139792/Screen_Recording_20240927_231609_YouTube.mp4?ex=69e0c754&is=69df75d4&hm=2d2ebe58ee9418f77cf3327c3408c0896a56474344f6c083aa74819c816619bd&

[fading bone]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-mace-dreadmace-swing-gif-153159342417972698

me when i see an archvile

[random sand]

Oh yeah nah he's getting the dreadmace, bfc, ssg, whole package

[split gate]

Until they put the Archvile in an inaccessible area like in the Taras Nabad Master level

[random sand]

Then i'll be hitting the nice and lovely button called "escape", move my lovely cursor to the "exit to desktop" button, click, and cry myself to sleep :)

[split gate]

This DLC is going to be something else, we got TAGs in less than a year and they were focusing on multiplayer at the same time and they also had covid. For TDA, they’ve been at it for a year and they have no multiplayer or covid to hinder the progress

[worldly musk]

that's what i'm saying. this DLC is going to be absolutely masterful

[split gate]

It sounds like we get to master a new gameplay loop too, which is what I’m looking forward to the most

[worldly musk]

let's normalize being patient for good DLC

[split gate]

Fr (DLC will be tomorrow 🙏, the cope continues)

[random sand]

Instead of "deltarune tomorrow" it's "doom dlc tomorrow"

[simple mauve]

hope they add photo mode

[last geyser]

Idk why they didnt add a photo mode to the best looking doom game oat

[harsh egret]

i asked them about it on stream, sadly no answer

[twilit stone]

nothing ever happens

we should all know this by now

[spiral crow]

Everyone New Ripatorium Arena is out be sure to check it out and provide feedback if anything needs to be balanced, as of now play the hell out of it and enjoy it

[stuck basalt]

gonna cope till trailer and even after trailer and dlc release gonna cope

[wintry forge]

I swear I ask every other stream, just crickets. They must have something cooking 🤔

[harsh egret]

[hazy pasture]

Photomode might be a post DLC update who knows

[worldly musk]

Keep making presets like this Raven, this was fun!

[opal patio]

I hope we get more lore and cool stuff 🥺

[spiral crow]

Thanks man, that's really motivating, i'll continue don't worry

[outer hawk]

Hey I don't know if this is where I ask the question but if anyone has an xbox ,do you know if you can play a game's dlc if you have it on gamepass?

This is of course in regards to the Doom dlc

[fading bone]

gamepass does not include dlc

[outer hawk]

Alright thanks for letting me know!

[frosty roost]

love commander valen!

he's so underrated

[outer hawk]

YESSS

[slender night]

You can buy the DLC even if you only own the game via Game Pass, btw, just an FYI, could come handy

[outer hawk]

Thank you so much , I tried getting the dark ages but my xbox wasn't supported so I can only play it on gamepass

[outer hawk]

He's my absolute favourite character in the games and I can't wait for him to get more content!

[elder raven]

i thought it was the zombie

[chilly needle]

For real especially in the dlc

[outer hawk]

You're so right, how could I not love the zombie.

[frosty roost]

to be fair what I love about valen is that he knows what the slayer's been through and that he trained the guy himself, plus he's such a badass overall

[chilly needle]

And you can feel the pain from him losing his son. And his regret for the betrayal. I love his redemption arc in TAG2

[spiral crow]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-fire-gif-523038869044733220

Me rn when making a new ripatorium arena encounter

[outer hawk]

Exactly! I love how Valen and the slayer seem to have a mutual connection from experiences and I adore Valen's story, he's quite a tragic character

[outer hawk]

🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

[twilit stone]

Makes you wish he was more prominant in TDA ;-;

[chilly needle]

You think he will be in dlc?

[outer hawk]

I DO! Because of the role he played in the slayers story for argent d'nur in eternal I was expecting him to have a lot more screen time in TDA but he was still so badass in the scenes he had

[outer hawk]

Almost definitely

[fresh lintel]

i felt the same way making all of mine XD

[obsidian shard]

Marok will have a prominant role so it does make sense if Valen will too!!

[chilly needle]

Valen in the end of TAG 2 was so dope.

[outer hawk]

I'm so excited for both marok and valen content :)

[chilly needle]

The index say hes suppose to be a bettwr fighter than his dad so it would be cool to see him in battle

Codex. Not index. Windex.

[outer hawk]

That makes me want to see him fight in battle in the dlc!

It would probably be such a cool scene

[chilly needle]

Im hoping!

[outer hawk]

🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

[frail bloom]

People's theories be so stupid that Hugo has to correct them

Even Hugo is shocked

[obsidian shard]

The knife thing was funny ngl

Context: Hugo clarified it was a lore thing So Hato and I Both Clarified it in our posts but people still thought it was a weapon for the slayer

[frail bloom]

Ye some guy also thinks they're being "hush hush" and spreading this narrative that they're not close to finishing the dlc at all and aren't sure of themselves at all, and Hugo had to correct them and say he's been sharing news and stuff

[spiral crow]

How tf do you get to that conclusion

[frail bloom]

He gonna throw that dinky dagger obv

It's gonna do morbillions of damage bruh

[frosty roost]

hey jay!

[obsidian shard]

Howdy Marshal!

[harsh egret]

howdy yall

[frosty roost]

heya hato

[obsidian shard]

yo

[spiral crow]

Oi guys

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-the-boys-billy-butcher-homelander-boys-gif-11139203201492252510

[warm ibex]

where was this

I need to see it with my own eyes

[frail bloom]

On the latest stream, one of the newer comments, I'l tell you the name gimme a min

@si_7980 is his name

[warm ibex]

found it, thank you

very interesting individuals

I get comments like that on videos talking about like two or three streams worth of teasers

[frail bloom]

Ye idk if they're aware of their surroundings they seem to just be posting whatever or the more likely is that they're just very unpatient people

For example, an even newer comment on the latest stream keeps talking abt the games replay value and incentive to replay it

But it's single player who cares

And updates are coming, if they were all patient, it wouldn't be an issue

[grizzled heart]

anyone knows why game effects appear pixelated but not in recordings?

[green estuary]

For me it’s the opposite
The game looks great normally but in steam recordings there’s some artifacting

Although if you have dlss enabled then it’s worth a shot to try switching upscalers

[grizzled heart]

wdym

[green estuary]

Instead of using dlss try fsr or xess

[grizzled heart]

i tried all of them and nothing changes

in fact i get a lot worse performance and everything looks worse

[green estuary]

Sorry, no idea then

[grizzled heart]

i cant find any fixes and its really gettin on my nerves..

[simple mauve]

DARK AGE REVENANTS ARE ANNOYING what is the best way to deal with these stupid things