the-dark-ages

[split gate]

Doom: The Duck Ages

[plush idol]

i need that

[twilit stone]

Duck: The Dark Ages

[split gate]

In the first lake, in the first paddle, when the streams first lengthened, one quacked

[twilit stone]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-fire-gif-523038869044733220

[real flume]

Does the dark ages ever go on sale on ps5?

[foggy fable]

Yes

[real flume]

How often?

[split gate]

It had one quite recently

[real flume]

Oh man I missed out then 😭

[foggy fable]

However often most ps5 games tend to go on sale

My next guesses would be a spring sale soonish. Or summer games fest.

Spring sale more likely

[real flume]

Ohhh ok thanks!

[foggy fable]

Or may for the 1 year anniversary

Since it just had a sale probably not this month but still possible

[grim cloud]

I had to do it #screenshots message

i wish there was a more bronzer armor recolor for the TDA doomslayer armor

time to grind the weapon skins

[elder raven]

ohhh thats cool

[heady trout]

hmm im wondering if World Spear is like the only Doom Eternal level that could be ported to TDA without the arena design being too much of a problem cause like, most world spear arenas are TDA like (super flat)

the arenas that are too vertical (aka good for Eternal, bad for TDA) could just be skipped/no combat in them

[stuck basalt]

there is stream?

[harsh egret]

not announced yet but probably

sometimes they announce it pretty late

[frosty roost]

it'll be at 10pm because timezones went back an hour

[stuck basalt]

hey its twitter news guy

[harsh egret]

yeah 11pm here

[harsh egret]

lol

[frosty roost]

wait 11pm? oh my fault lol

[harsh egret]

nah for u in the uk it would be 10

[stuck basalt]

oh so 8pm for me

[frosty roost]

wait where do you live then? if you don't mind me asking

[harsh egret]

Norway

[frosty roost]

oh damn

[grim cloud]

are they going back to doom 3? also we really need a full 2016 Run

[solar spoke]

Is the Hugo launching tonight? Wanna see him tackle some more ripatorium

[harsh egret]

prob just witchfire for now

https://x.com/DOOM/status/2032191658591145997

DOOM (@DOOM)

Join us at 6pm ET for a 60-min master class on playing HordeModeGaming's Ripatorium 2.0 encounter:
"Countdown to Death" ⌛☠️
HD: https://t.co/wbaEAaiWs0
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X · Mar 12, 2026, 8:27 PM

[stuck basalt]

oh

i get it a 3pm nvm

[frosty roost]

w hordemode though

[humble furnace]

I hope Serrat comes back. I enjoyed the flying sections.

I mean Serrat survived worse according to the entry.

Plus I doubt they spent so much dev time on the flying sections only to use them so little.

[harsh egret]

bringing him back would make his death have no impact and that would feel like shit

[harsh egret]

if they are doing ng+, i think they are gonna be improving them for replayability imo

[humble furnace]

It lowkey didn't have too much impact. It was in the last minute and it felt kinda cheap.

I just want harder, bullet hell like flying sections ngl.

[harsh egret]

maybe they'll bring those sections closer to what they were supposed to be before they stripped them down later in development

[harsh egret]

no but i just mean killing him makes no sense if he is coming back

it is supposed to be an impactful moment, whether or not they achieved it is smth else but thats nothing to do with the actual death itself

him being killed off felt like a definitive thing

[humble furnace]

Changing the context to him being grievously wounded rather than fully dead would still keep the impact. If the Slayer would've lost that would mean certain death for the dragon. I see your point but this fucking dragon, I can't let go. He's so cool and underutilized. Give him a second chance Hugo!

HUGO MARTIN, BRING SERRAT BACK IN THE DLC AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

[stuck basalt]

ng+?

what

[harsh egret]

it was teased at a while back

not fully confirmed yet

[unkempt dragon]

hi guys

[warm ibex]

hi LM 👋

[unkempt dragon]

sup king

[warm ibex]

waiting on the hugo stream, what about you bro?

[hazy pasture]

Howdy LM and Horde

And Howdy to all

[harsh egret]

hello yall

[unkempt dragon]

oh right, it's Thursday lol. I just got home from work and it feels so late. @supple oracle wanna watch?

[unkempt dragon]

hey doc!

[supple oracle]

why not

[hazy pasture]

Hope your day went well!

[unkempt dragon]

It did, thank you friend

[supple oracle]

Oh wait we in official doom server, I though we in another server LOL

[unkempt dragon]

hope you're having a good day too

[hazy pasture]

Gotta hit a necessary all nighter but we chilling

[obsidian shard]

Real

[hazy pasture]

We're all watching tonight's stream it seems

[obsidian shard]

Ye, Just got home, doing some clean up rn

[hazy pasture]

Coolio hoolio

[harsh egret]

i did the same and im dying

[supple oracle]

I wonder what the one word DLC nugget that contain two words but somehow it one word

[harsh egret]

napped for a few hrs until there was a fire alarm randomly started in our apartment building

[hazy pasture]

Huh? Fire alarm tf happened?

[harsh egret]

idk, it stopped right after so it was solved quick lol

student apartment building moment

i cant begin to count how many times ive heard this alarm the past 4+ years

[hazy pasture]

Literally whatever a person must experience once entering student apartments

[hazy pasture]

It might be y'all's wake-up call atp🥀

[harsh egret]

u have no idea how ass it feels to wake up to this loudass alarm, its insanely loud

but yeah back to dark ages

[supple oracle]

rookie, I know exactly how it feel LOL

[hazy pasture]

Saleem ball knowledge required to understand the statement made by Goat

[supple oracle]

what is that mean?? 😂

I think my knowledge can't go futher then this lol

[warm ibex]

you need saleem lore to decipher the secret message

that's what doc was saying 🤫

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-edited-discord-ayo-sus-gif-27602799

[hazy pasture]

Exactly

Only a selected few have this knowledge

[hazy pasture]

Magnificent gif

[supple oracle]

Oh yeahh I get it now LOL

[obsidian shard]

DOOM time

[solid nacelle]

Since countdown to death is one round I imagine this might be a shorter stream

[warm ibex]

yeah, 60 minutes

[frosty pine]

I forgot there was a stream lol

Any dlc hints yet

[obsidian shard]

Hud is very cool

[harsh egret]

hub*

[obsidian shard]

Autocorrect lol

[wintry forge]

I wonder if the hub is different from what we expect 🤔 the discussion of the design of it sounds like it’s something we haven’t seen before.

Obviously it could easily refer to new parts of the Kreed’s ship that we have yet to see, but it still makes me wonder

[harsh egret]

Just sounds like theres things you can unlock, secrets u can find, etc

Similar to Eternal's hub really

[solar spoke]

did the stream start an hour earlier than usual today? Logged in and I'm an hour behind lol

[obsidian shard]

North America Has time change

[dark thunder]

HORDE MADE IT

[solar spoke]

oof, gonna have to adjust my time too then lol

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-shocked-meme-funny-gif-16202716903781766308

[alpine pilot]

[solid nacelle]

Bro they've just been yapping for a straight hour

[warm ibex]

that's what we're here for

https://tenor.com/view/it's-peak-its-peak-peak-it's-phenomenal-phenomenal-gif-1607096610738621263

[frosty roost]

give me the nuggets please

[warm ibex]

NOOOOOO william bao is moving to a different studio

[harsh egret]

That's crazy man

[frosty roost]

wait who?

[obsidian shard]

That explains his insta of looking for id hiring a new concept artist

[harsh egret]

William Bao, amazing concept artist

[stuck basalt]

james something

[solar spoke]

Indeed, his Signature clothing item is probably my favourite in the collection

[stuck basalt]

and uh why was it only an hour?

[frosty roost]

oh fuck... that's actually so sad

[warm ibex]

Slayers Club Live Chapter 22 Stream Notes:

HUB expands and unfolds in interesting ways, with some secrets to find. Exploration tied to the new tool, which people are “starting to figure out”.

Small mention of the Kreed at the beginning of the DLC, will also go into the politics of the Khan and how she feels about certain things

[warm ibex]

Hugo is returning to work on the dlc

[stuck basalt]

back to the mines guys

[hazy pasture]

Buh bye William Bao, your contributions will be remembered for eternity

[solar spoke]

Annoyed with myself for missing most of the stream but at least it wasn't a very long one. Can probably get caught up tomorrow

[frosty roost]

ahhhh, thanks horde!! yeah i missed the stream, i fell asleep

[harsh egret]

Sounds like they are working overtime like crazy lol, surely can't be that far away now

[obsidian shard]

"Starting to figure it out" its the spear lmao

[stuck basalt]

ong shit sounds really close

[stray pollen]

Shoutout to William Bao

[warm ibex]

Hugo said they're coming up on a milestone, so I wonder if that's something along the lines of a pre-release milestone. Like entering the final stretch

[harsh egret]

He mentioned they got a milestone coming up, aka the release of the dlc. Idk from him talking it doesn't sound too far away

[harsh egret]

Lmao yes

[hazy pasture]

DOOM Year Zero...

Hmm perhaps a May release would be very likely

[warm ibex]

this is funny lol. every other stream we alternate between "probably won't see it until like june" and "it's coming next week"

[harsh egret]

Fr lol

May does sound more and more likely tho

[warm ibex]

atm yea May sounds more likely

[solar spoke]

the DLC will release on the 31st of April

[warm ibex]

trailer at the end of this month or early next month? maybe

[hazy pasture]

A trailer maybe in April?

[stray pollen]

Yeah I think we'll actually see something late April at the earliest it seems

[hazy pasture]

Yeah again very likely

[harsh egret]

Im very surprised they haven't been showing any sort of concept art for the dlc since the first one

Could be something small

[obsidian shard]

I mean given the info we got..... dont think they have too lol

[warm ibex]

until hugo gets on stream next week and says "don't get too excited guys, trailer is still a few months away"

[solar spoke]

Hopefully

[harsh egret]

Yeah, just surprised they tell us so much about it instead of teasing some visual stuff instead, hugo been spilling too many beans

[hazy pasture]

The nuggets are nukes themselves. Dropping another concept art would get Hugo blasted off to the innermost chambers of Microsoft dungeon

[stray pollen]

Not sure. Hugo DID say that there's a lot of places in Hell in the earlier TDA streams. Probably best for all of us to experience it fresh

[harsh egret]

Yh I just meant instead of the nuggets

[hazy pasture]

A few months away...

We'll be experiencing a meltdown here first hand

[stray pollen]

Oh word, yeah at this point I'm excited but also worried about how much are we gonna know about the DLC before we even see the trailer at this point. The good thing is that it sounds like they're just about wrapping up in the final stages I think

[stuck basalt]

i am dumb, what even is a milestone in that context

[stuck basalt]

nvm

[tribal hamlet]

Did he say it's for the release of the dlc?

[harsh egret]

no but uh... can't be much else, can it

[tribal hamlet]

Ok

[harsh egret]

@warm ibex do u randomly have a timestamp of when he mentioned the milestone thing

someone commented on my post saying that the milestone is the 10th anniversary for 2016 but i wanted to make sure he specifically talked about the milestone related to the dlc lol

[warm ibex]

I'm a bit occupied at the moment, but he said it in the last five minutes or so

[harsh egret]

also rewatching the part about the hub, sounds like the new "toy" will be unlockable in the hub similar to the unmaykr in eternal's hub

at least thats my interpretation

[stuck basalt]

yeah actually what does milestone mean lol sorry

[harsh egret]

was talking to someone just now, doesnt necessarily mean release

can be just progress milestones not related to any release or announcement

either way, the dlc is getting closer and closer for sure

[warm ibex]

I figured u knew that

[harsh egret]

ye idk i was just tunnelvisioned onto the release or some potential announcement, mb

[warm ibex]

ur good bro

[obsidian shard]

DOOM: The Dark Ages has won 4 awards at Navgtr! (Only 3 are shown atm)

[harsh egret]

never heard of them before lol

[warm ibex]

hell yeah!

[elder raven]

was busy, you guys get the new dlc nuggets?

[frosty roost]

oooh what for?

[obsidian shard]

• Best Lighting
• Best Texturing
• Best Engineering
• Best Control Precision

[elder raven]

feed me

[warm ibex]

HUB expands and unfolds in interesting ways, with some secrets to find. Exploration tied to the new tool, which people are “starting to figure out”.

Small mention of the Kreed at the beginning of the DLC, will also go into the politics of the Khan and how she feels about everything.

[frosty roost]

@elder raven

oh

[elder raven]

all good lol

[obsidian shard]

Dark Ages was the third most awarded game for their show (E33 was first)

[swift peak]

Is DOOM Tda special

[obsidian shard]

What

[swift peak]

why does it have its own category

[obsidian shard]

That due to the Ripatorium

So we can share our Pre-sets

[elder raven]

shes gonna be like “sorry to hear about the fallen sentinels guys… they get 5 big booms.” and is gonna be seething because the kreed cant do shit right

[obsidian shard]

The National Academy of Video Game Trade Reviewer
Started in 2001

[ancient atlas]

live long John Carmack and his legacy

[vapid lodge]

@obsidian shard hey bro, didn't Hugo say today that the DLC will have 27 hours worth of gameplay? Or have I misunderstood? I left the video play in the background so idk

[obsidian shard]

That was a joke lol

[vapid lodge]

yeah I was skeptical too

[unkempt dragon]

y'all. #merch-showcase message

[ancient atlas]

ok i tried to design my first preset for ripatorium and figured out that acolyte + 2 agaddon hunters is too much

but it's doable

[warm ibex]

you'd be surprised by how enemy spawn placements can dictate difficulty

[ancient atlas]

yeah

[warm ibex]

an acolyte and two hunters might be easy as hell

as long as the acolyte spawns within shield throw/bash range and the hunters don't spawn on top of you

[ancient atlas]

well looking at city of ry'uul and how it's the most claustrophobic arena this might be a problem as well

on other arenas it's gotta be easier cause you have more space for movement

i mostly play on ry'uul tho

just wanna design some really hard encounters

tho shocker rune is like a legal cheatcode honestly lol

[green estuary]

heaven splitter and holy swarm are so much stronger than the other two it's not even funny

[ancient atlas]

i think shoulder gun is the weakest one

[green estuary]

yes

the problem with the ripatorium is that a preset can be balanced around certain runes/melee but at the same time be 3x harder with different setups

if you're using holy swarm or heaven splitter + dreadmace, any given encounter is just going to be flat out easier than using even the gauntlets + ground fissure

[ancient atlas]

well you can choose runes and melee during fight

[green estuary]

obviously
my point is that the rune and melee balancing sucks

[ancient atlas]

but there's an issue with melee

if you change it you lose all of it's points

[green estuary]

on paper the gauntlets might be around the same level as the dreadmace, but in practice in a crowded arena the two aren't even close
the mace just requires one swing and you can often get it off even if the target isn't faltered, while gauntlets actually require commitment and timing to use
and don't even get me started on the flail

[ancient atlas]

kinda weird decision of devs ngl

[green estuary]

not really

the hotkey is just meant to simulate going to the menu and manually changing melee

it's not meant to change the gameplay paradigm

[ancient atlas]

i'll get if there was a thing only for dreadmace

but at least you need to have at least one melee point for power gauntlet and flail

[green estuary]

like I said, it's a convenience option, it's not meant to turn melee and rune swapping into a part of combat

[swift peak]

i did personally find flail and fists useful, the Mace is OP but given melee is used to restore ammo it can be dangerous

holy shit its hordemodegaming

[final dune]

so what did hugo say

[warm ibex]

@final dune

[final dune]

thanks

[marble tulip]

Hellooo👋 Hellooo👋 Hellooo👋 hiii

They debunked time travel

[heady trout]

okay what in the fuck why are my parries lowk not working

im at max speed, i click the parry button and it just doesnt work and my shield breaks? I have the parry at minimum window but im legitimately lost when my parry misses cause i dont know what I do wrong, sometimes I pull it at the last possible second and it breaks, sometimes I do it right when it seems the enemy is attacking but it just breaks, like whats this telegraphing i legitimately dont understand this, it happens alot with aggadons and cosmic barons third attack (ground slam)

like my problem right now is that i dont understand what counts as a failed parry

[ebon lynx]

kaibz mod got u covered

[fading bone]

its just all in the timing

150% is also known to be a bit buggy with the parries at times since its not exactly meant to be played at that speed originally

and there is a bug sometimes where youll get the parry but the damage will go through anyway

but its still just about learning the timings. i see plenty of ppl play at 150% and consistently parry

[solar cairn]

Really?

Maybe they are already at the final stage of development..

[wide siren]

dunno if those were even meant to be balanced. it's a progression that you unlock through the campaign. ofc in ripatorium it doesn't make sense in the same way

[fading bone]

yeah like the ripatorium is just a fun sandbox mode. hard to balance that when its not the main part of the game

and i dont think there should be any need to balance it either

[warm ibex]

Or they're working overtime to reach a milestone on time

[solar cairn]

Crunches are bad

[wide siren]

well they have to get it ready for wednesday

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/true-morgan-freeman-dogger-kramer-that's-true-cosmo-kramer-gif-13025828050697363822

[random sand]

What happens wednesday

[fringe comet]

Did they reveal anything yesterday on stream?

[wide siren]

wednesday

[random sand]

aha

[heady trout]

maybe i just need to see a video with the inputs pressed shown so i can see when i need to press the parry key

[split gate]

It’s coming tomorrow 🗿

[wide siren]

wednesday bro

[heady trout]

cause lowk, I'll parry 3 aggadon strikes perfectly and then out of nowhere I'll miss the unmissable by pressing something at a wrong time? Like I just don't what what the wrong timing is

originally i thought it was I held the shield up for too long, so i decided to opt for clicking instead of holding the parry

[heady trout]

but even then this didn't work many times, my shield just broke

[wide siren]

so you feel like something changed in the timing or has it been a consistent problem for you?

[heady trout]

ever since i started playing on 150% speed something has been amiss with the parries and I don't understand what im doing wrong

i have the smallest parry window too

[wide siren]

prob just the 150% being that way. for some reason i start fumbling the cyber demon parries at that speed. no problem at lower speeds or with other enemies lol

[heady trout]

the parries that are 50/50 on 150 speed always tend to be either Cyberdemons, Barons or Aggadons

I'll seem to do everything right but my shield breaks I just don't understand why

[twilit dune]

hey, is this a bug or a feature in the game: i have completed the campaign once before and i stared a new campaign months later and it whenever i check the automap in the beginning of a mission it shows i have already picked up rubies, powerups from bosses and the gold but whenever i run around they clearly aren't picked up

[ionic glade]

It’s a bug that they are currently working on

[twilit dune]

ah cheers for the info

[split gate]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-here-wednesday-my-dudes-its-wednesday-my-dudes-gif-9989224

[alpine pilot]

Where doom

[fading bone]

under your desk! LOL!

[frosty roost]

right here!

[wintry nexus]

Above you

[twilit dune]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doomguy-doomslayer-doom-eternal-heavy-metal-stops-gif-14735292

[regal vault]

I just want a good gameplay personally, i couldn't care less about story in a doom

Just make a good dlc without rinse and repeat gimmicks or turrets section or whatever and i'll be sold

[hasty escarp]

in spire of nerathul theres a landing spot just off-map, is it a secret or a bug?

[marble tulip]

There are no excuses for the turret section

If they didn't know how to do a good fight against a Titan on foot, they should have animated a short cinematic where the Slayer one-shots it

[hasty escarp]

i cant paste the image but its off-map and way below anything else accessable

[elder raven]

most likely a secret

serrat time

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-dragon-serrat-fire-breath-gif-3083633057499487976

[hasty escarp]

its in the flying section though

[elder raven]

you gotta get there using serrat

[hasty escarp]

but its outside of the map. far outside

[warm ibex]

you can send the image in a chat outside of the server, open in browser, then copy the image link and paste it here

will display as an image

[hasty escarp]

gotcha

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1127635161333370891/1482135549501247700/2026031.JPG?ex=69b5d9cb&is=69b4884b&hm=69692c555d2e0329869ed019cfd567c1f6582b28fd7d302139abe2920d6db435&

wayyyy outside

[warm ibex]

Have you gone through the tunnels with the dragon

[hasty escarp]

yeah, the one in the nearest tunnel leads to a locked gate that blocks a landing pad that is marked as complete

[warm ibex]

There are two wraithstones that you don't have yet, might be related to those. I honestly can't remember

[hasty escarp]

it was, tiny tucked away pit in the middle of nowhere

thanks!

[warm ibex]

no problem!

[potent parcel]

oh yes I remember that one

it took me a while to find it too

[violet pasture]

DOOOOM

[stray pollen]

You guys think that since the DLC is confirmed to have Metroidvania elements that the levels will be few but massive?

Like Returnal, the game has like 4 levels but they're huge and some parts of the map can't be accessed until you have a tool or ability of sorts

At least thats the mindset I'm gonna expect, either way I'm still hyped for what ids been working on

[harsh egret]

yes, could very well be something like that

we shall see

[heady trout]

okay so my new early game strat is to slaughter the fodder before the heavier demons bc lowk their fire will be more dangerous than the heavy fire

[sleek topaz]

Oh oh, "that" happened.

[heady trout]

it legitimately makes encounters way less stressfull lol

fodder fire is so dangerous in early game in comparison to most heavy sources of fire

i played hebeth with this new mindset and got pretty far

[potent parcel]

honestly that is kinda what I'm expecting

[heady trout]

I love not dying once in a stage but having low health so many times I question if i deserved to survive

sentinel barracks is pretty cool but much like every modern doom game the Slayer is made of paper mache at the start, 150% speed with other non beneficial sliders at max can be troublesome in the early game more than late game

[hearty edge]

soldiers can rot in hell

[hearty edge]

same

[potent parcel]

...well have I got some good news for you 😛

[vernal dirge]

https://youtu.be/2iOL7K9nonU?si=TGwk0zFs8NFR_g0N

I made this after the game came out but never thought of sharing it here

Before any patches or ripatorium

[obsidian shard]

A new one since all the updates would be good,

Just skimmed thru the vid and pretty good vid

Tho the "Beat the game in a week" bit is really funny to me cause Requiem is a "Short" Game and it didn't get much hate for that like Dark Ages did

Music I Agree with, it was MID at launch, Update 2 improved it alot and its became my fav OST since! (mixing and loudness was greatly improved-still think its too quite but its fixable in the settings)

[vernal dirge]

Thanks for watching 🙂 good points

[obsidian shard]

The sticking to weapons thing is def very prevalent lol

[heady trout]

holy city of Aratum still my favorite early game level

massive, varied, you unlock the ssg, it's just so awesome

its so awesome infact even in my hasty first playthrough it felt amazing

i lowk forgot what level came next

oh seige part 1

actually no, I don't have much problem with this level anymore, here I go

this may be the new cultist base but god damn it is it cool

but since now I don't use the chainshot much it may be a problem who knowd

i absolutely adore the concept of siege to its very core, "they're around the city, kill them"

i forgot ahzrak aura farms here lol

and i died to one arachnotron mine spam, i charged at him and the cocksucker threw the mines and i was down to 5 health almost instantanousley and they got a free hit in after

legitimately the mines can go kill themselves why do they deal so much damage

[potent parcel]

yeah I love Aratum
my only little gripe is having to repeat the dragon tutorial segment every time

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/why-fuck-annoyed-gif-12098885

it's not even the damage, it's the absolutely absurd range/area they can cover with them

in outdoor open arenas they're not horrendous but in enclosed areas it's almost unavoidable damage at times

[heady trout]

basically

[green estuary]

I finished sentinel command station with the unbalanced randomizer a couple days ago
the number of armored arachnotrons that spawned was pure pain

[heady trout]

oh i just survived a really stupid occurence, basically the leader mancubus was moving forward and attacking me while the cyberdemon was on my ass, so i couldnt go close range and I had to stick to impaler mid range and ocasional close range parry while the unkillable mortar mancubus was on my ass

[green estuary]

you mean armored mancubus

[heady trout]

yeah that one

[green estuary]

ah yes, one of the few enemies hardcoded to have their projectiles pass through other enemy AI
for some godforsaken reason

this is how you know these guys are the same people who coded the marauder lmao

[heady trout]

i survived, but if i was less experienced id say the game was giving me the middle finger for some reason

[heady trout]

real af

[green estuary]

and the funniest thing is that I know for a fact that it's on purpose

because the projectile file literally has a line that says
passThroughEnemies = true;

ragebaiting of the highest order

[heady trout]

indeed

okay i just beat seige part 1 without dying again, without chainshot, every encounter and all gold, honestly this level is awesome if a hassle on first playthroughs

better than aratum? Idk but its still pretty fucking awesome

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-my-boy-marcus-burnett-bad-boys-ride-or-die-my-man-proud-dad-gif-15805754809248830293

[heady trout]

much like Doom Hunter Base, Seige part 1 is basically the ''busts your balls on the first playthroughs but after you get good their really fun''

kinda same for cultist base but well, Doom Hunter Base is just better by a noticeable margin

[green estuary]

on my first playthrough of eternal I only found the very first big arena of doom hunter base to be hard

oh and the stupid red electric wall part

[heady trout]

i found doom hunter boss hard bc i wasnt paying attention to anything the game told me

[green estuary]

pure evil of a section

[heady trout]

these days when im slacking the only ''hard'' part of hunter base is the first arena

otherwise, yeah, fun much like seige part 1 after practice

now, for part two, lets see if i survive the final arena first try lol

[green estuary]

the final arena of siege 2 is fucked

[heady trout]

indeed

[green estuary]

that goes for any arena that's long and narrow like that

one of the arenas in ancestral forge with the cyberdemon is cooked for the same reason

[heady trout]

one thing i love about seige and alot of tda missions in general is that the killing of demons is the achievment, not getting some doohickey or just killing part of an endless horde, by killing in lets say seige part 1 you are literally giving the Sentinels time to escape

[green estuary]

real

[obsidian shard]

Cultist Base pit

[green estuary]

the sheer number of environmental hazards in eternal pisses me off

[heady trout]

In Eternal its heavily stated the killing of demons itself is pointless cause of the endless hordes, but in tda those demons you kill matter far more, feels way more immersive than doohickey/person search

[green estuary]

especially the ones in between combat arenas

[heady trout]

this is the same person that beat 2016 un btw

[green estuary]

real

[heady trout]

clearly traumatized by stage hazards

[green estuary]

because not missing jumps in 2016 isn't actually that hard

[heady trout]

i personally love eternals enviromental hazards

[green estuary]

in eternal there's a million different platforming sections and istg half of them have some sort of fire walls or damaging floor

[heady trout]

i love em

[green estuary]

in the later levels they're little more than an inconvenience, but in cultist base where you've got manc fireballs that deal your whole health bar, they're a bit more than that

the difference between starting a fight with full armor vs low or no armor is enormous

[potent parcel]

even the touch that the hell-portals automatically collapse when the enemies around them are all dead kinda reinforce that feeling

[versed quarry]

It’s so fun restarting a secret encounter after you already got your ass kicked by it

[potent parcel]

like you're also achieving something bigger just by killing the demons

[green estuary]

tbh the only difficult secret encounter in all of eternal is the second one in cultist base with the manc and the two whiplashes
mostly because you're stuck in a tiny room with a fucking manc and two whiplashes

[versed quarry]

I’m just bad at gaming idk

[obsidian shard]

Manc #1 for a reason

[heady trout]

this is true

[versed quarry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249915579985301517/1465945840848867555/This_post_was_fact_checked_by_real_Demonic.gif

[green estuary]

they wouldn't even be that bad in cultist/DH base if the goddamn game let you get a sentinel crystal before cultist base instead of blueballing you and then giving you 2 before SGN

me ranting about eternal because the early game UN is such a pain

plus it hits you with a potentially run-ending bug like every 30 minutes

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-chuck-mcgill-chicanery-breakdown-gif-25422432

[heady trout]

this is true though, arc complex fucked me over twice with glitches in my un runs

also i ABSOLUTELY stomped the final encounter holy shit

not even low health, no orb required

yeah i love this level now

[heady trout]

trick is to shield saw the fodder first, keep it mid to close range with the Cyberdemon and watch for the hellknights, then once the leader battle knight shows up you need to pull back to an emptier area of the arena so its a 3 v 1, no fodder and you just focus on parrying+ssg with armor breaking upgrades and you should be good

i did it so fast the arachnotron didnt even show up in time to do anything

[green estuary]

I should probably try it again on 250% damage and see how easy it is

[obsidian shard]

Exultia YOU BASTARD

[heady trout]

EXULTIA IS FINE EVEN IF ITS MIIIIDDD I SWEAARRR

im just biased cause its on argent d'nur and i like how it looks

[green estuary]

exultia is mid
but sans the slayer gate it's also not very difficult

[obsidian shard]

I think its a great level, Just the bugs

[heady trout]

im dark aging rn

honestly my most fun playthrough thus far and its the hardest one ive tried too

[green estuary]

300% damage is the true way to play nightmare, I'm convinced

[heady trout]

game really starts becoming fun once you reach aratum and some arenas in sentinel barracks are cool ig

im fine with 250% damage to player like im doing rn

[green estuary]

I used to not like aratum that much because the dragon was annoying when you didn't know where you were going

but now I know where to go the dragon is just another way of getting from point a to b, so it's fun

[green estuary]

what, do 120 damage nightmare imp melee attacks not sound fun to you?

UNing tda on 300% damage might be my best gaming achievement ever tbh

[heady trout]

whats this 2016 nightmare

[green estuary]

I actually don't think there are any attacks in 2016 that deal that much damage

well, scratch that

the cyberdemon's blade attack deals 120 for some fucking reason (and he tosses out three of them in a row in his second phase)

but I honestly think that's it

but some of the superheavy parryable attacks in tda can get pretty absurd

I know the agaddon overhead swing and the komodo ground smash deal absolutely absurd damage if they somehow end up hitting you

y'know, I should make a little list of the hardest hitting attacks in TDA
would be interesting

[heady trout]

noooo the arena ending right as the best part of unchained predator playeeed nnooooo

[split fog]

have we gotten any new info on the dlc release date?

feel like ive been waiting forever

[obsidian shard]

nothing yet, Let id COOK,

Best to be patient, its confirmed for this year tho!

Current est of Release Date/Trailer is May/June

[heady trout]

aggadon champion boss fire as always

abyssal forest fun level too

[quasi abyss]

Bro w boss better than eternal's

[heady trout]

i was fighting a cybedemon and right as i was about to kill me a mancubus appeared behind me and left me at 5 health but i survived

[heady trout]

both games bosses are good im afraid

[quasi abyss]

Like no offense final sin is goated but ahzrak n witch is peak

[heady trout]

my favourite eternal bosses are doom hunter and gladiator anyways, final sin is good enough but not much more than that

[quasi abyss]

Plus chapter 21 is the old one and enhanced ahzrak

[heady trout]

khan makyr is too much of a joke to be considered a boss

[quasi abyss]

Final sin is just shooting a big fat guy while killing demons gladiator is sick too

Hot take but when they make "bosses" become common occurrences it's lowk annoying and ruins the hype 4 me

[heady trout]

true hot take

i love when bosses become normal enemies, showcases your increase in power and adds to the gameplay loop

when you first fight them its a boss due to your current slayer power, but when you fight them again stronger, they become a mini boss

okay ancestral forge is just a little less interesting than the previous four levels

it also has like two arenas that are a bit odd but manageable

ancestral forges main drawback is that due to the fog and pov inside the corpose of the ancestral half of the level looks like a incomprehensible mess of a cave with nothing too remarkable

its the most basic mine at face value, it has some cool details but it just looks like the average cave for most of the level

it only gets interesting once you near the mechanical parts of the stage

The cyberdemon leader seeing me steadily kill every single support demon around him as the inevitable 1v1 arrives

https://tenor.com/view/christian-bale-gif-8781706

[swift peak]

(He’s quivering because his buff hasn’t come yet)

[swift peak]

Did they add a voiceline to the end of the Khalim?

"All of hell will know of your victory here today"

[frail bloom]

Who said this?

[swift peak]

no idea, subtitles are of

Oh it might be because of KaibzMod which I have skipped turret sections on

[obsidian shard]

The Witch when you lose in "Ahzrak and The Witch"

[swift peak]

vilage of khalim thugh

I guess it just got added cuz i skipped the trret section

[obsidian shard]

Ye

[swift peak]

i'm so good at doom tda that my 'hey wouldn't it be funny if i did a UN run out of nowhere with no practice?' just crashed at the final arena in holy city of aratrum

[obsidian shard]

Siege Pt 1 is going to eat you

[swift peak]

siege is honestly easy

i'm more worried abt part 2

[obsidian shard]

MMM 2 minute turret section

That only happen twice

[heady trout]

I love turret totally yay

[swift peak]

i have the turrets sectioned skipped

its kind of cheating but meh

they don't really add anything substantial to the game

[heady trout]

seige part 2 worst part is uhh the last arena bc it requires a more tactical approach

[swift peak]

DOOM Fans when they can't just dash into an arena shoot everything and win (they have to think):

(No offense meant)

[heady trout]

so true

[obsidian shard]

I do not understand the hate for em, they last like no time and it's fun to shred down enemies

[swift peak]

what is the last arena anyways

[swift peak]

They're just kinda useless. It feels like TDA either doesn't or didn't efel like it had enough with just the base gameplay

[heady trout]

one thing abt dark ages early levels and the levels before cosmic realm is adopting a mentality to kill fodder first bc their way more threatening here than meets the eye

[green estuary]

me when 2016 actually requires me to avoid getting hit instead of being able to facetank everything like in eternal

[heady trout]

you cannot face tank everything in Eternal on nightmare what

[obsidian shard]

I mean theirs more levels and most are longer then Eternal levels so it def had more

[slender night]

Yall complain about TDA turret and dragon and atlan stuff but Quake 4 has a section where you roll around in a giant hamster wheel

[swift peak]

i did like

four levels in an hour

[twilit stone]

it sucked there too

both suck

[swift peak]

i haven't played quake 4

[green estuary]

I'm obviously exaggerating lol
but when you've got all your equipment rolling in eternal you have like 10x more survivability than you do in 2016

[heady trout]

killing fodder before heavies or super heavies makes arenas way easier in the early to mid game

[obsidian shard]

What's game speed?

[swift peak]

100%

i wasn't going for 100% each level but I wasn't ignoring secrets, I was secret hunting

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-dante-devil-may-cry-devil-may-cry5-hello-hello-based-department-gif-26042779

[slender night]

Honestly I liked the absurdity of it especially considering the game has a dissection cutscene like two levels later

[heady trout]

this is true but honestly the paper mache-ness of the Slayer in 2016 UN sucks and isn't fun

[green estuary]

true

[swift peak]

although I had dragons and turrets turned off so that saved some time

[heady trout]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-black-panther-captain-america-gif-12447706

how it feels to finally play on max speed

[obsidian shard]

Takes me like 15-25 mins for Khalim
30-45 for Hebeth
5-7 mins for barrier Core
30-1 hour for Sentinel Barracks

[green estuary]

150 speed is such ass man 🥀

[swift peak]

the levels are larger but honestly you can get through them quickeri n eternal

[thin hound]

I just go along for the ride and have fun, all sections are great

[heady trout]

I'm glad i reached the point in skill where I can comfortably play at max speed outside of the occasional parry glitch

[heady trout]

don't u play on that speed

[green estuary]

no lol

[swift peak]

TDA levels might be bigger laid out but Eternal has more smaller-arenas that all have combat

[heady trout]

what speed do you play on?

[green estuary]

I play anywhere from 100 to 120

[twilit stone]

the mech sections in that game suck dick, makes TDA's mech combat look like Eternal's main combat loop

[swift peak]

Anyways dragon sections, the mech sections, and the turret sections are all honestly a little weird. You can die but the risk of death feels really gone (ignoring the mech levels). I legitimately never felt like I was going to die in the Serrat sections and I don't think I ever had, even on max damage, smallest frame to dodge. I think i've only died once on the turret sections too

[green estuary]

other than the few levels I tried 150 on in my second playthrough and hated it

[obsidian shard]

True, Dark Ages is more of a battlefield

[heady trout]

mech peaks at the old one fight

[heady trout]

what speed do u play on btw

[green estuary]

rn it's 120

[slender night]

-# I don't have any issues with vehicle sections in both Q4 and TDA

[green estuary]

usually it's 100

but I do like 120 a bit more, even though it's kinda pushing the envelope for me

[swift peak]

I think the Mech sections are probably the worst though. Theres only three-four enemies iirc, your health-on-kill is now suddenly gone so every hit you take is permanent until you take down pretty tanky enemies

And dodging is also pretty wonky, I should've gotten hit a lot more times then i was

Serrat just takes you from point A to point B with nothing really threatening you. The turret sections are just an activebore

[twilit stone]

nahh dude the dragon's worse, it's such missed potential. At least the Mech's a somewhat fun spectacle and the Turret sections are short, literally nothing happens in the dragon sections

[swift peak]

I'd honestly rather be bored than upset at something

[green estuary]

the only problem about the dragon sections for me was not knowing where to go

once that was figured out they were decently fun

and the mech sections even on 300% damage never felt like I wasn't able to heal through some damage

[twilit stone]

i just wish we got to use it for actual sky battles and like it's main attack was actual firebreath instead of a minigun like what??

[obsidian shard]

I just think their cool lil gimmicks that split up gameplay, although they have flaws, they are still decently fun

[heady trout]

i wish we got dogfights with the dragon, since we clearly chase dogfight style but don't evade dogfight style attacks from other ships

[heady trout]

same, wish Final Battle was two levels, one for the mech and one for Asscrack

kind of how the Dark Lord boss is its own level

[swift peak]

I think the final battle with the old one should've been with Serrat

not the mech

[twilit stone]

EXACTLY, then it would've had maybe some actual impact when he died

[heady trout]

i think it should have been both

mech and serrat

[swift peak]

idk

have the first level be with the mech, the old one destroys it so Serrat comes in clutch and has an actually good section, then Ahzrak ices them her immediately instead of after the second or third cutscene

[fading bone]

well if they wanted 3 phases it works to use serrat dying as the motivation for the slayer for the 3rd phase

would feel weird if he sees serrat die and he still struggles for 3 whole phases to kill asscrack

[scenic lichen]

Serious Sam 4’s vehicle sections are an example of absolute dogshit

[swift peak]

tbf Ahzrak is enhanced

Ahzrak killing Serrat before the fight starts wouldn't change anything

[upper mauve]

the ssg is the best gun ive ever used in a video game dare i say

on par with the roundabout from cuphead

[fading bone]

i mean it changes the narrative. slayer is struggling vs asscrack and then serrat dies and he gets motivated by rage and kills him

[slender night]

I thought we would have gotten a Maledict boss fight using Serrat when the reveal trailer first dropped

[fading bone]

its a much more compelling narrative than serrat dying first and then he struggles through 3 phases. it just wouldnt really make sense

[swift peak]

Slayer doesn't get stronger by rage, thats hugos fanfic

He'd probably get more into it though

[fading bone]

i mean he legit got stabbed, is down and out, sees serrat die, it focuses in on his face seething with rage, and then he owns asscrack

[slender night]

Nobody said he gets stronger, Gemini said motivated by rage which is absolutely what happens

[fading bone]

how is that not fueled by rage?

yeah it drives him to keep going

[swift peak]

thats mb

I still think Serrat should've died before the fight

[heady trout]

i like how at one point after playing enough Doom you start craving the optional/secret encounters more just for the love of the combat and not even the secrets. This happened both with TDA and Eternal to me. Initially I only did what was necessary to get secrets but now I go out of my way to handicap myself AND kill as much as possible. It's as if you gain the Slayers lust for demon blood

i played foresaken plains, looking for as much demons to kill in the extra encounters and the ruby rewards were more like "oh i forgot doing these optional fights gives rewards and it's not just mindless killing"

[potent parcel]

IKR

[fading bone]

yeah i got for 100% every run anyway, but i know theres certain encounters i could skip to do it faster if i wanted but im just like nah i want to kill all this shit anyway

[slender night]

Bro's immersion is on another level

[potent parcel]

weasel-in-the-chicken-coop mindset

[heady trout]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-its-so-peak-praying-hands-praying-black-guy-gif-9969548697603007069

the late stage Doom experience is having Doomguys bloodlust with no interest for the rewards that come with it

[potent parcel]

terminal doomlust

[heady trout]

so true

[heady trout]

since you mentioned this I might as well say that outside the slower projectiles, with the color change of parry-able projectiles to purple my immersion in tda is way solider than it was in Eternal

the story structure and level objective structure helps

[slender night]

TDA just improved pretty much everything imo

Post-game content (atm) and subtitles are the only downgrades

[heady trout]

while i prefer Eternal, TDA is close

favourite games are like

1. Doom Eternal
2. Doom: The Dark Ages
3. Team Fortress 2
4. Black Mesa
5. Mario Odyssey

[fading bone]

i am just so obsessed with tda man

every time i finish a run i just want to start a new one and improve on the last one

[slender night]

This list lacks some Wolfenstein TNO

[swift peak]

TNO over TNC?

[slender night]

Yes.

[swift peak]

Apart from the lack of stealth…why?

[heady trout]

I've replayed it more than 3 times thus far

[slender night]

I'll answer in #general

[swift peak]

Fair I was gonna say we should move there too

[heady trout]

4 or 5 I can't remember

[obsidian shard]

Both are #1 for me

[potent parcel]

yeah I find them really close

[fading bone]

im prolly on run 40 or something now 💀

prolly more tbh

[heady trout]

god bless

admittedly i replay the late game levels ALOT

since the Slayer power is basically the same fundamentally for the last 4 levels

[green estuary]

dawg

I'm scared to ask how many hours you have

I've got maybe 8 runs under my belt (not counting my UN fails) and I have 171 hours

[fading bone]

oh im counting the UN/pandemonium fails in there too

[bitter vault]

Help, the game crashes on loading with an Intel Core i7 3770 and RTX 3060 TI.

literally a black background and a crash

[wary raven]

I started a mission i never done,
One challenge was done, and all the gold and some ressources were already at 1/1..
How is this possible ? A bug ?
I swear its the first time ever i start this mission

Secret also 5/5 ..

[cedar plover]

somebody know how to play on GTX?

[harsh egret]

u dont

[swift peak]

You can’t

Join the crowd buddy

[sick warren]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-mouse-reaction-meme-reaction-funny-gif-12607667773102168340

[barren ember]

Same here

[hearty edge]

if it's 16 series i think it can be bypassed cuz they still have the hardware or something

[hearty edge]

probably the cpu is js way too old

[obsidian shard]

yes, requies some tinkering tho in game

[hearty edge]

anything older and yea not possible i fear

[hearty edge]

remember something similar happening on an ltt video

[heady trout]

man spire is a hard level

even though my arsenal is mostly filled with max upgraded stuff im always at low health in the arenas

and now i died due to that bs spike ground stomp from the cyberdemon

[solid beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1482238566292525227/207DE12.JPG?ex=69b6e27c&is=69b590fc&hm=e58463e772e5450d08e4b3aaa2478f9f186c73bb1a0a0a25fc61294035b4f792&

[heady trout]

oh my god this one arena with the cyberdemon and imp stalkers has killed me twice in a row wtf is wrong with it

[green estuary]

the one with the cyberdemon next to the sentinel shrine and the two nightmare imps next to it?

[heady trout]

im going back to eternal for now, with unremarkable consistency spire has been the level i truly start suffering in and then it goes away once i enter cosmic realm

[heady trout]

that one

spire is full of arenas that piss me off

okay so all I had to do was charge at the arena as soon as possible and i cleared it in like 15 seconds fuck off

last no death spire attempt, if I die in this one im quitting TDA for the day

[daring linden]

have we gotten anything on the DLC

[heady trout]

oh my god i got super far, got through many of the encounters id consider the hardest and and died to bullet hell nonsense spam

im switching back to eternal until I get tired of that and then ill come back to this

spire legitimately might be one of my new least liked levels bc i dont know what they did here to make the level so consistently annoying in comparison to the stages that come after and before

[glad hinge]

Just released a new update for the Dark Ages mod loader. It adds support for creating sound / music mods.

For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNvuHtVH8ko

Oh, Vega says I'm posting links too fast :< guess I'll have to wait before I can post the download

[hard thistle]

runeswap and melee swap sound cool and all, but other than a minor convenience, is there any real utility in it? like is there any reason to sacrifice any of your buttons to do a rune swap/melee swap?,

[green estuary]

you don't need to sacrifice a button, just put it on a function key like your equipment in 2016

but yeah it's convenience

[hard thistle]

i play on ps5

[green estuary]

how many buttons do you have on controller?

as long as you have 2 extra ones you shouldn't have to give any up

[hard thistle]

I don't have any extra buttons remaining, i'll have to give up something less used like switching to bfg. my other buttons are all mapped

[mystic barn]

Hey guys, if you haven’t seen, I’ve just released a new music video for my remix of Blood Spill from TDA. It was edited by Kruge, who has been making killer DOOM videos for years now. Check it out if you like https://youtu.be/Vr50nzrzNQY?si=bGSILl2yuTcxIXhN

[warm ibex]

excellent remix with an awesome music video, very well done guys!

[bitter vault]

Let me explain. There are these instructions called avx2. Many people hate them. People mostly either emulate them or create a patch. My CPU doesn't have these instructions. This game is the only one that doesn't have a patch for this instruction.

For example, developers can implement a patch that will allow the game to run without these supposed tools.

Basically, people who understand mods created patches for such games.

[elder raven]

fantastic work ethan

made even better because of @subtle heart 's awesome editing

[wintry forge]

0/10, too much PEAK for my ears to handle

[obsidian shard]

Yes, I'll send the Google Doc when I get back home

[marble karma]

hi dose anyone know how to play dtda without raytracing and on a igpu

[frosty roost]

you can't

[fleet spruce]

yes, get a steam deck

it's literally the bare minimum

[hearty edge]

like 30fps bare minimum

[green estuary]

steam deck has RT 🥀

[fleet spruce]

shhhh

[alpine pilot]

[solar spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/not-scientifically-possible-professor-membrane-invader-zim-movie-enter-the-florpus-peace-day-gif-4334204081118740353

[raw violet]

Release TDA
Say DLC will come out same year
Doesn't come out due to complications
"Yeah so instead of just delaying it and releasing what we had in mind, its pretty much going to be a sequel sized DLC"
Common Hugo W

I love ID Software

[fading bone]

so excited for it

[slender night]

Release TDA
This was already a W enough to last them the rest of the decade

Phenomenal game, best one so far, massive improvement over Eternal imo

[raw violet]

That is heavily debatable, but it definitely was a step more in the direction I prefer

Eternal is all about speed speed speed, optimization and skill

TDA goes back to true to form DOOM

[fading bone]

well he did say in his opinion

[slender night]

Not talking about purely the gameplay but yeah I do also prefer how TDA plays

[raw violet]

The story is also a huge step foward

Really takes what we only read in codexs to the big screen

I am super excited to how they bridge the original games to TDA if they do

Because all we know is he wandered hell for so long he found himself in a portal that ended up on Argent D Nur

They found him, threw him into the Pit and he proved himself to become a Knight Sentiel

And thats pretty much all we got.

[twilit stone]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-smile-teeth-gif-7300117

[raw violet]

Doth thou disagree?

[twilit stone]

Yeah i dunno man like.. okay. the game's story isn't bad, it's just not really anything special either. Like i just don't really feel like it lived up to the legends were we told about in 2016 and Eternal. The Sentinels are pretty useless and don't even kill any demons on screen, a lot of levels are filler (especially in the Cosmic Realm), the cutscenes, while pretty, are mostly just exposition dumps and "aura farming" moments, with rare substance here and there. Plus things like Serrat's death had little impact on me because the Slayer and him only had like 3 scenes together, along with some of the side characters just being sorta.. there

Plus the codex entries are just kinda dry compared to 2016 and Eternal. It's still not bad, just passable

[raw violet]

Thats actually fair criticism

You weren't overzealous or douchey about it so thats 100% respectable

But at the same time, I say with what is to come next it may make the original content better in a way?

Or rather, make more of an oomf

Gameplay wise though, absolutely peak

[fading bone]

every cutscene in any DOOM game is exposition dump and aura farming

thats the whole point of them

[slender night]

Unfortunately

I thought TDA told an actual story though instead of Eternal where the story was merely an excuse for the Slayer to go to these diverse and wacky environments

[fading bone]

all i want/need is aura farming

[slender night]

And TDA built the Slayer out as a character while I feel like Eternal actively made him a worse character

[daring linden]

He actually said that?

[green estuary]

they actually never said the dlc was going to release in 2025
even from the beginning they were saying 2026

[harsh egret]

me when i lie

[twilit stone]

They can have both. Like the scene where the Kreed is being manipulated by Azhrak, or the scene where Thira and Novik briefly discuss the ethics of the Slayer's imprisonment. That's the kinda stuff I wanted more of and they're clearly capable of doing but they just.. don't

[south pilot]

i thought that was the point tho. dark ages was so story heavy which i thought was a bit far for doom. what appeals most abt doom is thr demon slaying not the story which is why most of eternals story is behind the scenes

a lot of dark ages story was not needed

like adding shock to a doom game like serrats death or doom guys death thing wasnt needed

[slender night]

You can tune out a good story if you just want to play, you can't tune out a bad story if you want a good story...

[slender night]

The ending of DOOM 1 was purely for shock value and became one of the most famous events in the story

[south pilot]

it was an ending tho

[slender night]

What does that change

[south pilot]

i really thought doom guys death in dark ages was silly

it felt like a repeat of wolfenstien

[slender night]

Character dying and coming back is not something Wolfenstein invented 😭

If anything, this is sourced from the first DOOM

[south pilot]

no but it was silly in wolfenstien so why did they do it again

its so cutscene heavy

[twilit stone]

I don't think so. I think both equally attributed to his character. Eternal simply built off of what 2016 established with his rebellious and rowdy "no bullshit" personality, plus things like his room in the fortress further humanizing him. The photo of his family on the floor is grrat environmental storytelling. TDA had him struggle a bit more and gave him a bigger variety of facial expressions which was also nice

[slender night]

Like I said, if you just want to play you can tune out the story. The cutscenes are skippable

[south pilot]

you can make him struggle in tda but the story was messy. in 2016 and eternal a todler could tell you what ur doing and thats what i liked. its just straight forward whereas in tda its so dragged on

[slender night]

Yeah Eternal built off 2016's anarchistic personality but the thing is, they also tried to make him the original Doomguy in this game, and instead of mending the story to make that more believable they just... didn't, I'm meant to believe this guy that hops into guns to shoot himself across the atmosphere is the same one that had PTSD in DOOM 64

[south pilot]

plus the last lvl of tda was annoying

[slender night]

You have the right to hold any opinion but I disagree so so hard lol

Reckoning is cinema

[south pilot]

its the first doom game with a last level where it still has puzzles and shit blocking ur way you have to get around

[slender night]

Depth is bad?

[south pilot]

every last level before was just a run up to the boss and only demon slaying

[slender night]

A story being able to be explained by a toddler is not the good thing you say it is

[south pilot]

its good for doom

who tf plays doom for the story?

[twilit stone]

I don't think it was that unbelievable I mean a LOT of time has past since 64 and Eternal. In fact TDA was the oppurtunity to show us how he went from Doomguy to the Slayer and they wasted it

[slender night]

Wanting a deep story does not mean it's all you care about brochacho

[south pilot]

no one says " i liked doom cuz the story"

so why did dark ages leen into it so much

[south pilot]

what?

[twilit stone]

I don't think it's a bad thing that it is, but not a lot actually happens in the story despite how long it is

[slender night]

Your counterargument to TDA having a deep story is "nobody plays doom for the story"

[south pilot]

it wasnt needed

[slender night]

...okay? That's true but that implies if you have a deep story you can't have ANYTHING else be good

[slender night]

But it's welcome

[south pilot]

not really

[slender night]

If you don't like it then that's fine but holding the fact the game had a deep story to its throat is a bit silly

[twilit stone]

That's preference my dude. I don't think DOOM is better or worse without or without a story. It's just about if it's actually good or not

[south pilot]

there are some levels in doom tda where i genuinally couldnt tell you whats going on

[twilit stone]

I've never really had that issue with any of these games

[south pilot]

yeah

[slender night]

Yeah he spent years, decades, maybe even centuries in a place infested with the things that traumatised him. That made it less believable for me if anything

[south pilot]

except tda

[harsh egret]

thats on u tbh

[twilit stone]

Yea so TDA would've been the chance to see him overcome that trauma and become the Slayer. But like I said it didn't, instead focusing on Hearts of Argents and Cosmics Realms and Old Ones the list goes on

[south pilot]

everything else is fine abt tda

just the story and lore are too heavy in tda

[slender night]

I agree that this was a good chance to do that

[south pilot]

ruining the flow

[slender night]

But this is an issue that Eternal introduced, that's an issue with Eternal

[south pilot]

ts is why eternal is a 10/10

its so clean

[harsh egret]

lol

[south pilot]

it literally is

[slender night]

In your opinion

[south pilot]

there isnt a single main thing wrong with it.

[slender night]

TDA shows him caring for the lives of his comrades while Eternal has basically nothing along those lines

[split gate]

As much as Doom is not regarded for its story, people were still invested in the characters and lore introduced after 2016. Doom never had a large lore and story until 2016 was made. They could choose not to address it but making a game leaning into a story isn’t a surprise. It’s one of the ways the world they created can be addressed

[south pilot]

whereas dark ages has flaws

[slender night]

In your opinion 🥀

[harsh egret]

"eternal is flawless"

[slender night]

This screams bias

[south pilot]

go on whats wrong with it in ur opinion?

[twilit stone]

Again i don't really see it that eay because again, SOOO much time passed between then and now, you can infer that he got over it at some point. Should it have been shown at some point? Probably, yes. Would it have made sense to be shown in Eternal? Probably not imo

[slender night]

You said it yourself earlier, the story can be recited by a toddler, it's awfully plain. The visuals are a downgrade from 2016, the atmosphere is gone

[slender night]

That's... a good point actually, at the end

[south pilot]

gritty atmosphere wouldnt work in a game with such fast combat. also that first point would be slandering the classic dooms too. their story was so simple

[twilit stone]

This was needed in Eternal more I agree, but I think by that point in time he's so hellbent on his mission there's not reallt any time for dilly dallying

[slender night]

They're from 1993 bro

I do not hold the 30+ year old games to 2020 standards lmao

[south pilot]

thats what its trying to recreate. its called a reboot for a reason

[split gate]

For me, the pacing of the campaign, the gritty gnarly atmosphere 2016 had was gone, the ost is subjective but I preferred the direction 2016 had for it than the one we have for Eternal, Horde Mode is not a traditional horde mode, final boss is a sponge bullet, Samuel Hayden’s character was downgraded

[slender night]

Also I didn't say gritty atmosphere I said that there is basically zero atmosphere, the only levels with it are Urdak and Final Sin

[slender night]

So if it recreated the super pixelated graphics and MIDI music of that era you'd be praising it because it's a reboot?

[south pilot]

2016 and eternal are like an apple and an orange but both are really good

i never once said 2016 was bad

[twilit stone]

Hmmmmmm dont agree with that at all lmao. It's not really as moody in atmosphere as 2016, but to say Eternal has no atmosphere isn't exactly true imo

[slender night]

The atmosphere is on the level of late 90s expansion packs lmao

[south pilot]

they intergrated a lot of classic dooms tracks into the new tracks (something tda didnt do) and why tf would they keep the graphics the same thats such a stupid point.

[slender night]

"Such a stupid point" when I'm using your logic

This is such a silly argument

[south pilot]

keep pixalated graphics why tf would they do that

its 30 years

do you genuinally think tda is better than eternal?

[slender night]

Yes

[twilit stone]

Because vibes!!

[split gate]

It’s apples and oranges but TDA is not a downgrade compared to the other two

[twilit stone]

It's a sidestep

[slender night]

You said earlier that it's GOOD that Eternal had ass story because the originals did too, and it's part of the reboots. So by your logic, keeping the same level of quality as the old ones is good, so that means pixelated graphics would be based because it's a reboot

[south pilot]

the skill ceiling is lower in tda aswell

hence why masterlvls might not be as common

[slender night]

I am quite literally using the logic you yourself used earlier and you're calling it stupid

[south pilot]

story =! graphics

they couldve added a detailed story in the classic ones

they just didnt

[slender night]

Why can't they improve story but can graphics

No actually good story was not widely seen in games at the time

Excuse plots were the only plots

[south pilot]

plots dont matter if the whole game is purely abt demon slaying

out of everyone ik irl that has played them they barely talk abt the story when praising it

[slender night]

You enjoyed TDA's gameplay right?

[south pilot]

so why add a story later on?

[south pilot]

yeah? tda is still an 8/10 for me

i never said it was bad

[slender night]

Then why are you acting like incorporating a deep story sacrifices the gameplay

[south pilot]

also

[twilit stone]

This is like saying a Godzilla movie shouldn't have human characters because people want to see the monsters. How bout you just make both sides equally good?

[south pilot]

if they did lean into the story so much

they didnt even get anywhere

they didnt cover much of what people wanted to see

i hope they do ts in the dlc

[split gate]

Because it was an opportunity to give an insight to the lore they made since 2016. They didn’t have to but it’s a choice that’s not made out of nowhere because 2016 was where they added the lore.

[south pilot]

again

[slender night]

Adding story is EVIL (all cutscenes are skippable)

[south pilot]

no one who plays ts casually cares abt the story

[harsh egret]

yes we do

[twilit stone]

(Its even technically expanding on 3's plot cuz of the whole Martians going to war with Hell thing)

[slender night]

Like I genuinely have no idea what you're complaining about, that they made the story not basic? 😭

[harsh egret]

bold assumption man

[south pilot]

most people arnt like " i cant wait to see the story in tda"

out of everyone i have talked to abt this game

[harsh egret]

bruh

[twilit stone]

I was

[slender night]

#the-dark-ages message
You ignored this and then proceed to do what I called out in this message again

[south pilot]

they care more abt the combat

[twilit stone]

That's like the main reason i played it

[split gate]

A lot actually do surprisingly. Doom is mainly gameplay but people are still interested in the story. Lore videos have high views on YouTube

[slender night]

Your argument about a more in-depth story being bad is that people played the game for the gameplay and didn't care about the story

So that means the story didn't intrude, right? If nobody talked about it?

[south pilot]

you mention bias earlier. this whole server is biased in favour of the story cuz ur literally in a doom discord talking to me abt doom rn.

ofc u care abt the story

u dont play it as casually as most people

[south pilot]

i have 3 people ranting to me at once

how tf do i respond to everything

[slender night]

The chat went to a standstill when I sent that message

[slender night]

But if DOOM fans play the games just for the gameplay, and we are DOOM fans, shouldn't that make us your target demographic?

[south pilot]

ofc people in this server are going to favour story

[split gate]

How is it biased when the numbers show that people, even outside this server, want to know about the lore?

[south pilot]

i have seen you on here for atleast a year

u do not play ts casually

you are mostly a minority

[slender night]

I never claimed to

[south pilot]

can you please fuck off am not even talking to you

[slender night]

So you want DOOM games to appeal to non-fans more than fans???

Genuinely what point are you trying to make here

[south pilot]

am tryna debate with this guy and ur in my ear like a fly parroting what he says

[south pilot]

it should favour what makes doom doom. combat

[twilit stone]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[south pilot]

and it should lean more into that than story

[slender night]

The game is an 8/10 in your opinion despite you disliking the story

It, quite literally, leaned into the combat

[twilit stone]

you can skip the cutscenes man like i dont know what else to tell you? like isn't that what you did?

[south pilot]

again what u said the story dosnt matter as much all i said was it was too intergrated. i was talking to u alone now 2 other randoms are parroting you

[slender night]

We make different points, we're just on the same side

[south pilot]

last time i skipped a cutscene in tda i went from some green lake touching some orb to a fucking stomach.

[slender night]

You went from gameplay to gameplay, and you like gameplay, why aren't you happy

[twilit stone]

i'm not in full agreement with everything he says thank you very much lol. I also like Eternal more than TDA

[south pilot]

cuz i like the story. i just dont like how its so intergratrd. i read the lore and shit and i care. but on my first playthrough even after reading hours of doom lore prior i had 0 clue what i was doing

whereas when i first played 2016 it was like "blow up tower" "stop meltdown" "blow up vega"

or eternal "stop nest from consuming earth" "kill priest" "kill big goat monster"

then i play tda and am in some fucking abyss with pirate ships floating everywhere

with 0 explanation

[slender night]

I play Eternal and I'm suddenly in this blue world surrounded by floating islands

[twilit stone]

okay wait I actually agree with u, just realized lol

[south pilot]

if ur quoting tag2 then yeah that wasnt perfect

[slender night]

TAG 2 blew the story even harder than the rest lol

[south pilot]

i didnt like tag2 story

[twilit stone]

i did ;-;

[south pilot]

it was lazy

the final boss shouldve been satan or some shit

[slender night]

But I'm confused now, your initial point was that they focused too much on the story, now you're saying they didn't make the story clear enough

[twilit stone]

I mean it was

[south pilot]

the dark lord

who is a clone of you

[twilit stone]

well no it's more like Doomguy and the Dark Lord just look similar

[south pilot]

it should been some massive mfing demon who had a fight lasting a whole level

not an enhanced maruader

[twilit stone]

I can't even remember what the fight was originally like, I modded it to hell and back to make it actually good lol

[slender night]

Most underwhelming final boss fight since RtCW

[twilit stone]

or the Seraphim

[south pilot]

seraphim wasnt bad

[slender night]

Idk if I'd call him a final boss

[south pilot]

it was just so fucking stressful

[slender night]

Like yeah he's the final boss of TAG 1, but like, that's part one of a two-part DLC, I think they're meant to be treated as one product and Davoth is the final boss of that

Anyway if we wanna continue talking about Eternal I'm happy to go to #doom-eternal or #general with you guys

[slender night]

I just want to clear this up @south pilot, what's your point, if you had to rephrase it the best way you could?

Is it that they made the story too confusing or that they just put too much focus on it?

[south pilot]

the story was leaned in so hard. yet i still dont understand half the shit. i just felt like doom guys death and shit wasnt needed

confusing

serrats death wasnt needed

he couldve come back for dlcs

or something

[slender night]

Doomguy's death yeah I guess, I can see how that can be off-putting because it made the lore around Hell a bit confusing, but Serrat's death? How come?

[twilit stone]

I think DOOM's storytelling style should take more inspiration from Half-Life than like.. Resident Evil (which is what it kinda feels like with TDA)

he died too early

[south pilot]

we couldve seen ts in later dlcs

[twilit stone]

and with not enough buildup of their relationship

[south pilot]

and yeah

theres like 4 parts where u actually fly him

[slender night]

That's fair

[south pilot]

he couldve been expanded upon

instead of wasted as shock value

[slender night]

Honestly now that you made your points more clear (which is a bit ironic) I understand your point of view

[twilit stone]

like they should've given us the ability to like pet him or smth whilst he's on the ground or smth, anything

[slender night]

At first it just seemed like you were arguing that it's a bad thing it tried to have a good story

[covert thistle]

if you want to learn the story, you should read the codex entries cause thats a major portion of learning the story in any of the doom games across the board.

if you watch the cutscenes in full, and read the codex enteries, the story is explained in depth pretty well i'd personally say.

[austere spoke]

I know most people don't care at all about this, but I want to start a petition to change the name of Dark Ages' platinum trophy from "Trophy Master" to "In The Dark". I just find it so disappointing how generic that name is, when most other Doom games have actually really cool names for their plats, and I think this Doom II reference is a very good choice, but I'm also looking for other people's suggestions

[green estuary]

more than the name, I just want some more eclectic achievements instead of the really standard stuff

[slender night]

Bring back difficulty achievements

[green estuary]

real

even though people will cheese them with sliders, who cares

[slender night]

I love beating a game on the hardest difficulty and getting rewarded for it

Hardly any incentive to do it otherwise

[austere spoke]

I dunno, Ultranightmare is really punishing, it'd be the Unity ports Nightmare trophies all over again for most people

[slender night]

Well yeah don't do achievements for UN imo

[green estuary]

well by eclectic I mean varied and possibly goofy, not necessarily UN achievements

[slender night]

But like, NM, that's doable, it'd spice it up

[austere spoke]

Oh, okay, fair enough. What do you have in mind?

[slender night]

I'd propose something along the lines of "get 10 succesful parries in a row"

[austere spoke]

Also fair enough

[green estuary]

maybe killing an agaddon using only the gauntlets or something
completing every optional gore nest
kill the old one without taking any damage
use the bfc to kill only a single enemy
perform a shield saw execution on every common enemy type
clear the campaign with sliders higher than default nightmare

kill x number of enemies with a single dreadmace swing, etc

[austere spoke]

I vibe with most of them, honestly. The sliders one is the only proposal that I'm not too keen on since I don't want to play the game on 2x speed, since I'll either die instantly or throw up

[green estuary]

well "higher than nightmare" could be anything
increase the projectile speed, damage to slayer, lower the damage to enemies, increase the game speed to 110, etc

[austere spoke]

That reminds me of an achievement from Shovel Knight Pocket Dungeon where you have to beat the final boss with the chaos bar that fills up with every hat you wear, which are gameplay modifiers, completely full. So, everything is extremely nonsensical, but you get to pick your poison. Not a bad idea if it's implemented this way

[slender night]

Sonic 4 e1 has an achievement for beating the final boss damageless and this would be kinda cool for Ahzrak if you could fast travel to him

[austere spoke]

You could just reload the checkpoint right?

[slender night]

Maybe but you'd need to go through the whole ass level just to reach him

[austere spoke]

Still better than having to do that every time you mess up

[split gate]

I hope they have creative secrets in the DLC like the cosmic levels where they had you running in circles or turning the room upside down

Or that other one where a pathway magically appears out of nowhere

[swift peak]

Or just straight up non-euclidean geometry that isn't aprat of secrets

[split gate]

Now thinking about it, I wish they did include that stuff outside of secrets…

Most we had was swimming

[heady trout]

the cosmic realm secrets and puzzles were absolutely peak

[split gate]

They outdid themselves to make the Cosmic Realm so different to the other realms. Yeah it’s supposed to, but id did really well

What creeped me out was those long legged jelly fish looking things at the distance, I understood what they meant by incomprehensible beings

[alpine pilot]

Where doom

[neon gust]

the cosmic realm is by far my favorite part of TDA

[green estuary]

I quite like harbor of souls + resurrection

amazing music + beautiful visuals + banger fights

[heady trout]

harbor of souls, resurrection and reckoning are the peak of the game foe me

[ancient atlas]

like even og doom games had some kind of lore and story

[heady trout]

dude i fucking hate spire

its like a random diffuclty spike of a 100 and then it goes back to normal

[slender night]

"Punish the guilty" is the rawest mission objective I've ever seen

[fleet spruce]

TDA is just so fucking metal

[heady trout]

i legitimately dont understand, its probably due to this consistent amount of enemy spam

idk this level just makes me mad, just when I think I got it figured out I die yet again to spam

Eternal in its best arenas had the common courtesy to not let every single demon fire at you at once, not only bc it was impossible due to the walls separating you and the demons but bc they just didnt attack all at once, most of the times TDA succeds at not giving you every single enemy projectile all at once bc obstacles block enemy projectiles, but for some reason in spire theres 5 quintillion enemies and little cover in all these arenas so if you miss one parry or do one wrong move you get bullet-helled to death cause for some reason no enemy just stays back and doesnt fire like other levels? Whats wrong with this stage?

[green estuary]

idk, I never found spire particularly hard
sorry

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

I had a much greater amount of trouble in something like sentinel command station or belly of the beast in my UN runs

the only difficult part about spire for me is the fact that it's easy to lose focus because it's very drawn out

although the revenant leader fight with the komodo can be a little spicy

[fading bone]

the komodo/BK near the sigil is annoying af

[heady trout]

omg the fight with the leader cyberdemon can go fuck off

i killed it yeah but every single time its a chore, much like most arenas in this level, always barely making it with low health and having to take cover every five seconds

[heady trout]

this one too

[heady trout]

the main reason why i wont ever put TDA over Eternal is this fundamental contradiction in what im supposed to do that comes when doing these arenas due to the exsistence of non parryable projectiles, yes I could go for the cyberdemon and start parrying but then the whiplash will start throwing those unbereable non parryable long range projectiles, if I go for the whiplash first ill be busy dealing with the Cyberdemons non parryables and spike ground attack, so what ends up happening is this akward back and fourth thats not fun at all while my shield keeps breaking and i have to continually go for cover, yes i survived but that wasnt fun at all

normally this isnt an issue due to the size of arenas spacing enemies out, but when you put these two together it becomes very unfun

same happens for that Komodo and battle knight arena, it would be PERFECTLY fine if the komodo couldnt shoot those stupid non parryable fireballs

same happens for the cacodemon too, if it only went for the parryables it would be a fine enemy, but no

im not saying all enemy fire should be parryable, im saying that much of this games design is kind of bs in many arenas and enemy setups

Eternals movment allowed me to swim around the bs basically, which is why i forgive more bullshit there, but here all I can do is either hide/have my shield constantly broken or pray the enemies im not fighting dont start shitting out non parry-able projectiles

[green estuary]

idk, I just have to remember that dodging projectiles is still very much a thing in this game
like yeah, I think the tracking on some enemies' projectiles is a bit excessive but you can still dodge almost all projectiles, especially on default projectile speed
obviously hitscan does circumvent that, but only 3 enemies in the game have hitscan, and those enemies are dealt with a certain way

[heady trout]

and i died to the revenant leader and komodo arena

[green estuary]

and while there are situations I can get myself into where my shield's broken in a sea of enemies and I'm a sitting duck (with the exception being a select few occurrences that I can count on one hand) this is almost always my fault

much like eternal, where you can just get hitstunned to death and it feels like shit, but it was at least indirectly my fault

[heady trout]

dodging at the speed the Slayer moves right and left is really, really rough

[green estuary]

are you on default projectile speed?

[heady trout]

triple speed

im also playing 150% speed

[green estuary]

so maxed out projectile speed

[heady trout]

if the solution is to not play like this im all ears

bc while i like challenge, that doesnt mean i like bullshit

[green estuary]

well unfortunately max projectile speed is inherently bullshit, sorry

there's no getting around that

at that slider, the projectile speed is literally doubled relative to normal

[heady trout]

no no ill forgive the game that bc its an optional setting

like, it isnt forced upon me in any intended difficulty

like the game isnt designed around that basically, so I wont mind turning it off

if im playing at 150% should I just have slowest projectile speed and call it a day? I dont mind suggestions I just want to have fun in the end of the day

[green estuary]

personally I think the second highest projectile speed slider is the bleeding edge of what can be considered fair

because that's 150% projectile speed

and even then, you can still get outrun by rev skulls and certain other things

I just use my mod to get 125% projectile speed (the sweet spot of difficulty imo) and crank the damage up to 300

they did a poor job with the projectile slider I think

[heady trout]

which projectiles don't get affected by projectile speed change

[green estuary]

I think virtually all of them do

I'm not sure which ones aren't though
but empirically speaking I can't point to a single one that isn't noticeably affected

I think even stuff like acolytes' purple rain is affected, which makes the tell almost impossible to react to

[heady trout]

I'll try playing with minimal projectile speed, and if i still find things unfun I'll lower the speed to 140%

[fading bone]

oh wtf you've been playing with maxed projectile speed this whole time?

no wonder you think parries are impossible to time lmao

[heady trout]

lmao

the komodos fireballs are so much more digestible

yeah my b

maybe the sliders could have like ''umm this level of sliders might result in an unbalanced experience'' warning, just generated by the players

probably not, just a lil indicator that no, streching the game this way makes it play not as intended

[slender night]

Isn't that kind of obvious

[heady trout]

no unfortunately