the-dark-ages

[frail bloom]

That is a good theory too

[mystic barn]

Punch your way into, for sure. It’s unlikely, but I hope we see more of Limbo in the DLC

[random sand]

I dislike the idea that he was doomed there tbh. I like the idea of the doom slayer being this insanely powerful unstopable beast

[frail bloom]

Well he is to some degree

But he's supposed to be an underdog

Since the classics

[warm ibex]

Honestly? I think the story feels better if Hugo's statement is correct. Regardless of the original story intentions I prefer to believe that Doomguy really did die and fight his way out of Hell during classic Doom, so it only makes sense that he wouldn't need a ritual the second time either

[hard thistle]

I think it makes for a poor story. Stories need stakes. If the protagonist is super ultra mega unstoppable and he can never do anything wrong and every choice he makes is the right one and if he dies, then he's actually fine and nothing bad happens, then why should we care about his journey?

[frail bloom]

I don't think he died in classic doom either

[random sand]

He's a one man army that doesn't look as strong as he is yeah. But idk, that's the thing that makes it odd seeing him get hurt

[frail bloom]

He teleported to deimos

[hard thistle]

There needs to be a reasonable possibility that the protagonist could lose. Or nothing has any stakes and the journey is just vapid.

[warm ibex]

I prefer to believe that he did. I think it boosts his pre-slayer character

he doesn't need enhanced powers to be "too angry to die", he's more than capable of holding his own without super strength

[frail bloom]

That's thanks to eternal

Went too far, went too far

[hard thistle]

I don't really mind the idea that the Slayer could fight his way through Hell after dying. I don't like the idea that if Valen hadn't done his ritual then things would have been fine anyway. Or that he would have been fine anyway.

[warm ibex]

I'd rather not hear or see anything about limbo ever again. Feels special compared to everything else in the franchise and I personally feel like more lore and exploration would only degrade it

[random sand]

That's the thing tho, there were stakes. Ahzrak knew killing doom slayer wouldn't do shit so instead he imprisoned him. When you got op characters like that you gotta find new alternate methods of stopping them which is something i like. It's why i find the idea of superman so interesting. He's so op you have to find a way to limit him

[frail bloom]

Really cuz I think it looks rather lame

[strong moth]

I guess I might just misunderstand, but why wouldn’t we infer that Doomguy dies when he teleports into a demon hole, all your health gets depleted, the text says “it wasn’t supposed to end like this” and then you’re in hell?

[frail bloom]

And feels outta place as a realm

[random sand]

Yeah true

[warm ibex]

I can't say I'm even slightly surprised by that lmao

[frail bloom]

Like it's just a plain with trees

[mystic barn]

I too think it’s special, and exploiting its uniqueness and comparative quiet compared to other realms would feel wrong

[frail bloom]

I liked the big hivemind in the back

[mystic barn]

There is that part of me that wants to know more though

[strong moth]

It’s trees with bodies growing from it; I think it matches a description of a level of hell from The Divine Comedy

[frail bloom]

Ye y'know I like cool things

[frail bloom]

Bodies grow on them?

Really??

[warm ibex]

I've got the itch for knowledge, but I think it's one of the few times I'd rather not roll the dice

[strong moth]

Yeah you can see humanoid forms growing out of them

[frail bloom]

Well I got smt to do

[hard thistle]

Under this idea nothing matters once he blows up the Tether. The Slayer is a mega epic Mary Sue perfect protagonist and no matter what anyone does he busts his way out of Hell and saves the day. I just don't care for that. We can write characters to be seriously strong without making the rest of the story feel vapid and kind of pointless in the process.

As in, we can have moments where the Slayer needs help. Moments like that are pretty normal for stories. Having moments where the stakes are serious and the protag is in a really bad situation don't really work if the protagonist is guaranteed to make it out anyway.

[mystic barn]

The Portals cutscene in TAG may be one of the better examples of Doomguy asking for help whilst also being baller as fuck

[frail bloom]

It's funny cuz we know he lives tho

[random sand]

I'm not saying this, he can be defeated. Just not so easily. I find it way more interesting trying to keep him away rather than trying to just kill him

[frail bloom]

Maybe the real stakes isn't his life but the torture he has to live through

[mystic barn]

That was definitely the case in DOOM, 2, and 64, choosing the path of perpetual torment and all

[frail bloom]

Just see all your comrades and loved ones die

[hard thistle]

Even there they have the Slayer acting all uncaring about it. I do wish he had gestured to Valen or something.

[mystic barn]

Agreed. The closest we get is perhaps a change in posture

[frail bloom]

That's so funny

His best form of care is acknowledgment

Wow so tragic

Glad they're straying away with that now

He nods at people and gently holds them so he doesn't break their limbs

But some braindead doom fan takes that as him being soft and a shell of his former self or smt

[hard thistle]

I also kinda wished he had gestured at the Intern before he went to the Holt. The Intern showed some serious balls there and deserved some props.

[frail bloom]

"Oh they're giving in to romance"😭

It's not ragebait it's their opinion and I know it

[warm ibex]

his whole thing is caring. that's at the very core of his character and I don't see how so many people mistake him for the embodiment of testosterone and nothing more

[mystic barn]

The embodiment of testosterone is to care

[frail bloom]

No horde all he does is aura farm and wanna kill some demons saving the citizens is a by product duh

[hard thistle]

I don't care even if they were. I like to think Doomguy and Thira were a thing before he became the Slayer. IMO that makes it pretty tragic. Thira wants to trust this man everyone else thinks is just a Maykr tool with their comrade's face. The Slayer no longer has the capacity to love like he once did.

[frail bloom]

Damn some truth

[warm ibex]

actually the black and white roided up chad guy is the embodiment of testosterone

come on, we all know that

[frail bloom]

That could work really well I'm just hesitant on its execution if it were to ever be a thing

[mystic barn]

phonk “Can You Feel My Heart” plays

[warm ibex]

lmao

[frail bloom]

Not against it but hesitant

[mystic barn]

Before TDA came out, I was all for Doomguy having a girlfriend. It’s been x many years since his wife and boy were killed, it may have been time to move on, only for the cycle to repeat itself

[frail bloom]

See that would be awesome story stuff

A cycle repeating itself

[warm ibex]

The death of his wife and son really wasn't that long ago (as far as we can tell)

[frail bloom]

Of his loved ones dying to the same thing again

I'd say like 10 years or smt

[unkempt dragon]

hi guyz

[frail bloom]

Herro

[mystic barn]

In regards to what though? The space between 2 and 64 is uncertain and then 64 and TDA could conceptually be forever. It’s really hard to say y’know?

[hard thistle]

I'm not into the idea of the Slayer having romance or anything. But that is because the Slayer is supposed to be tragic, everyone has fucked with him so much he has lost a lot of his ability to have things like relationships or friends. But I love the idea of him having things like this when he was just Doomguy, a Night Sentinel in Argent D'Nur who had climbed the ranks and proved his worth. Moving on from his trauma, learning to cope with it, able to fight Hell in a more healthy state because now he had comrades to fight with now.....
...and then the Maykrs tear it all away from him, first with the Divinity Machine, then with the Tether's brainwashing. Hell took his loved ones from him. But the Maykrs took his ability to have loved ones from him.

[frail bloom]

I think that's a good distinction

As doom guy he had the capacity to have relationships and friends, as the slayer, he's a vessel for the sentinels and just a tool depsite how powerful he is

Yet he continues to protect them

See he's like top 10 characters

He just needs some more fleshing out and some canonization and he's perfect

[hard thistle]

I contend that he is surprisingly and exceptionally well-written for a silent protagonist, one who started out as a flat self insert at that. When they get him right, they really get him right.

[warm ibex]

That's true, but I still feel like no amount of time would be enough for him to move on in that way

[frail bloom]

I don't think he moved on from them persay but he's not gonna let it hold him back from having new relationships

[hard thistle]

It probably wasn't long before he got to Sentinel Prime, but it is implied he spent several years on Argent D'Nur before he became the Slayer. I like to think he was there for like a decade.

[warm ibex]

Honestly? I think it would

[frail bloom]

Idk I think this stuff is cool and it would be even more cool to have it as canon instead of a theory

[frail bloom]

Well obv he would be in some form of self questioning and doubt

And sure it impacts how he handles relationships

But he would still have them I think

[warm ibex]

By the time he arrives on Argent D'Nur he surely knows that no matter where he goes, hell follows. Inviting new people into his life romantically is just giving Hell even more to take from him

[mystic barn]

It would do wonders for character complexity though; he is human after all, we’re a social species

[frail bloom]

And I think he tried his best

But he feels lonely and opens up at some point

Repeating the cycle once again

And by the time he's the slayer it's too late

Food for thought

This is awesome to think abt tho

[warm ibex]

Somewhat unrelated to the current conversation, but I wouldn't necessarily mind a spinoff game set during the time between his arrival and divinity machine enhancements. An odd amount of people seem to want a classic Doom remake but I'd be more open to slightly modernized classic Doom gameplay appearing in a story that explores his remaining time as Doomguy instead

[frail bloom]

Would this include the battle in taras nabad

Or whatever came before it

Did he go on crusades before I can't remember

[hard thistle]

I'd love this personally. If I were good at map-making, a pipe dream project I'd make would be a classic Doom WAD for exactly this.

[warm ibex]

my preferred option would be something akin to Boltgun

a step up from classic doom but still very much an early 90's fps with a unique artstyle. Would work very well as a spinoff imo since another team could handle it with a smaller budget

[hard thistle]

Yeah I wouldn't need something mega high budget.

I hope Doom starts working on more spinoffs. I think that would be a good way to do things like return to Doom 3's style without dissatisfying modern Doom fans or whatever. Or getting more boomer shooter stuff without sinking 5 years of development into it.

[warm ibex]

I feel like they need to start lending the IP to capable teams so we can start getting super unique side entries with id Software having to take time, effort or resources away from their next major project

[frail bloom]

Any teams in mind?

[warm ibex]

I've heard people suggest a real time strategy game and I like the idea despite not being into the genre. would be very new for the franchise and a great way to explore the earth invasion prior to the Slayer's arrival

[warm ibex]

I don't have any teams in mind personally

[frail bloom]

Hm

[grim cloud]

from what i remember, was told tda and eternal share a lot of the same engine compatibilities (unlike 2016), so one of the devs mentioned or i could say "slipped" that modding support is very possible. no confirmation but i got a strong feeling it will come someday

okay i found it on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXnFQgoAmqw&list=RDFXnFQgoAmqw&start_radio=1 play at the about 5:50 minute mark. this base sequence isn't in the OST. or at least i have been unable to find it

[solar cairn]

Rip and tear until mod done

[mystic barn]

Right, I know what you mean, but that suite is still in the OST. The double time Komodo riff isn’t in TDA’s OST, but it’s still apart of the Black Mire suite, you get me?

[uneven dragon]

laaaaame

[uneven dragon]

quake era graphics is like the one era of graphics that doom missed as a series so that'd be neat

[obsidian shard]

The In-game Version is called Black Mire???

[mystic barn]

Based on the metadata of the stems, yeah. Atlan Battleground is Caldera, Unholy Siege is Altar Shadow, Hellspawn Rift is Mud Flame, Battle on the Blackened Tide is The Charge Begins, Steel Beyond the Grave is Dulcite, and Colossus Unleashed is Lahar

[obsidian shard]

I was wondering where those names came from, tyty

[grim cloud]

not sure if i do, where in the OST Eternal is it found?

[obsidian shard]

TheDinogoatHeretic

[mystic barn]

It’s not, what I’m saying is that bits of suites are cut from the OST mix for a variety of reasons. To be fair, I wouldn’t particularly call the CE OST an official soundtrack in any capacity. It’s Chad Mossholder’s godawful attempt and it should be forgotten about. Stick to Koma’s fan mixes

[grim cloud]

i understand that, but the entire base blasting section and climax on Mars Core track isn't there, it always cuts out right before. i cried

[solar cairn]

I remember in Eternal you can get this track as a secret, I still get pleasure and nostalgia

https://youtu.be/SzI7DLR0DPU?si=dYTI5oou0GqcP1je

[uneven dragon]

eternal styling it as DOOM III is still a bit weird lol

should've styled DOOM 64 as LXIV to be consistent

[solid beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1436919383028006994/2054871.JPG?ex=691943f5&is=6917f275&hm=832bd2f3f9594fc1558b854ef9f0323a95b65d13acb0c8596529a52164eafd62&

[earnest kraken]

Hi guys, i have question. i just get code reedem for doom dark age from nvidia 5000 series. already redeem the code on bethesda website. how i can install the game now ?

[supple oracle]

for skin or the full game ??

[earnest kraken]

full game

[earnest kraken]

ah sorry its skin

can i transfer to someone ?

[solar cairn]

https://youtu.be/Vo2aXRhMHgM?si=qblYsEljf8pr14w3

lol

[red peak]

Ok, so yk how in DOOM Eternal we had some skins with fire? What if in Doom tda theres a skin with a flaming sheild or somthing?

[frail bloom]

I think that's feasible

[red peak]

And the mark on the shield is the brightest part of the flame so it stands out

Oooo and a flame cape

Maybe thats too much

[frail bloom]

Nah that sounds cool

[cerulean pagoda]

or how about a skin with the makyr zap things all over it

[frail bloom]

But we have a maykr skin

[cerulean pagoda]

tyeah but the zap things when the makyrs control him,

[frail bloom]

Maybe

[naive wigeon]

hell yeah

[warm ibex]

when I'm in the most intense battle of my entire life but the DLC ultra nightmare skin's flaming shield ignites and obstructs 90% of my vision

https://tenor.com/view/fireman-on-fire-gif-6314503928231119861

[frail bloom]

Skill issue

[wheat sigil]

yeah just remember everything and predict how it'll change

[warm ibex]

I've been hoping for a skin with a flaming cape though ngl. I'd love to get a TDA version of the demonic slayer

[cerulean pagoda]

or how about you obtain the skin after dying to the lava in the forsaken plains

[frail bloom]

Someone make a doom demon tier list on coolness

[solid beacon]

Wielding the forever flame "the hellfire" the eternal wrath
thought battles

[frail bloom]

Cuz why not

[cerulean pagoda]

im on it rn

TDA or eternal demons

[frail bloom]

Dark ages

[red peak]

Lmaooo

[cerulean pagoda]

made the list in #screenshots

[frail bloom]

I see!

U used the wrong lost soul from the dev direct

The classic is much cooler

[cerulean pagoda]

oh nvm

[frail bloom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1439296502647357511/icymi-classic-lost-souls-are-back-in-tda-v0-vr8ojzu19g3f1.jpg?ex=691a00d3&is=6918af53&hm=b4772b8dc6a33f98205a5bfaf79ed21417038bd1a716ff0d89e5c889018d76ef&

In my list I would put the vagary in s tier and the normal imp in a tier, classic lost soul in a tier

[cerulean pagoda]

fixed, lost soul is in cool tier

[frail bloom]

Awesome list

[cerulean pagoda]

thanks

[frail bloom]

U should paste the media link here so we can all see it

Wait I'll do it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1439297038960562238/Screenshot_749.png?ex=691a0152&is=6918afd2&hm=e46a49c9045cf66e7bdf3946bd2a434d3539a2fddf33803c4084100042687bf5&

Now someone should do eternal and dark ages together

[violet zealot]

Does anyone know when the dlc will drop???

[frail bloom]

It's cancelled

id didn't make enough money from sales due to raytracing barring off many players and most going on gamepass

They're trying to make it up by updating the game with the ripatorium but still just a sad issue

Yup super sad

It's why no one is talking here too

Just gotta cope with it and move on

[violet zealot]

Dang

[frail bloom]

Dang indeed

[violet zealot]

Welp I hope they get enough money for the dlc

Because I already completed the game

in every level

[frail bloom]

It just can't happen, the game's a flop

[violet zealot]

Rip

[frail bloom]

I'm kidding it's coming we just don't know when

[violet zealot]

You had me there for a second

[frail bloom]

I'm doing it for every person that asks

The lesson is, y'know when y'know

[violet zealot]

I I thought that actually was canceled

[frail bloom]

No worries

[violet zealot]

Ok 👌

[solemn matrix]

Finally My Doom Phalanx Skin Figure Came! With this purchase I now own all DOOM The Dark Ages Slayer Skins Legitimately!

[violet zealot]

𝚂𝚊𝚖𝚎

𝙱𝚞𝚝 𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚊𝚝 epic universe

so I won’t be able to get 𝚒𝚃 𝚢𝚎𝚝

[cerulean pagoda]

its coming when its ready

[solar cairn]

Doom Samir Post-stream Notes Ages

[frail bloom]

That's not my role anymore lol

But I compiled all the dlc info from months back till now in the present

[violet zealot]

𝙽𝚒𝚌𝚎

[obsidian shard]

You and Hato are the Only people that ae helping me keep tabs on DLC stuff btw so THANK YOU

[frail bloom]

Aw ye anytime

[violet zealot]

you guys know what the DLC is gonna be 𝚊𝚋𝚘𝚞𝚝???

[obsidian shard]

Most likely Hunting down the Hell High Council / Order of Six

[red peak]

Ok so I know other doom games are set in the future, but when is Doom the dark ages set? Is it actually during the dark ages time or is it still in the future but dark ages themed?

[frail bloom]

It's like this:

[harsh flame]

A few billion years b4 DOOM 2016

[violet zealot]

𝙳𝚊𝚗𝚐!!!!

[harsh flame]

Yep

[obsidian shard]

After the Slayer got his Powers from The Divinity Machine and defeated the Dreadnout so few hundred Thousand to Million Years before 2016

[violet zealot]

that dude is old

[harsh flame]

Yea, but he didn't age at ALL

[obsidian shard]

Its also more less the Concept of Time in Hell is wack

[harsh flame]

Must've applied a whole Argent D'Nur sized bottle of Botox

[frail bloom]

It takes place on a different planet called argent d'nur, way before doom 2016, but chronologically doomguy travels to argent d'nur after the events of 64. What this means is that even if argent d'nur is older there is a chance that doomguy traveled back in time after traveling to argent d'nur

[harsh flame]

It was set majorly in Argent D'Nur

[frail bloom]

It's some wonky time bull

[red peak]

Wait what? But wait- Doom Eternal is during 2163- so how does that work? Wouldnt that still be in the past?

[red peak]

Ohhhhh, i see

[frail bloom]

Ye some wonky time bull

[obsidian shard]

Slayer got Trapped in Hell for a Major Part of time after the Civil war and Betrayal of Argent D'Nur/The Night Sentinels

[harsh flame]

But like, if most of The Dark Ages was set in Argent D'Nur, wont the Slayer age more?

[red peak]

I always thought he went back in time since all the demons looked so much different lol

[red peak]

How?

[obsidian shard]

Slayer doesnt age like a standard being since hes Immortal

[harsh flame]

OHHH

Right..

[obsidian shard]

Thats thanks to the Divinty Machine

[red peak]

Yeah, hes not effected by ageing, sickness, tiredness, etc

[harsh flame]

And he don't need food and water to survive

[obsidian shard]

Correct

[red peak]

This is when we find out that the Divinity machine acctually killed him and he was replaced by a robot or somthing lmao

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-dies-gif-21682744

[red peak]

"No...it cant be...no...noooooo!!"

[obsidian shard]

yup very true, It says in Codex: "abcd123" That the SLayer is actually Samuel Hayden jr

[red peak]

Lmaoo

[obsidian shard]

Def the Misinterpreted scene in all of DOOM, Also still not Explained fully

[red peak]

Hm? That was a suppose to be a ninjago reference lol

[warm ibex]

maybe this shouldn't become a thing

[red peak]

https://tenor.com/view/zane-ninjago-lego-ninjago-death-fail-gif-22975365

[obsidian shard]

was Thinking the Same, But you know what should become a thing?

FRAMEGEN FOR DOOM 2016

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/true-successfully-deployed-get-this-man-a-true-true-morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-gif-17551062976351461149

[harsh flame]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-22276944

[red peak]

Wait wdym the dlc is canceled??

[warm ibex]

is your list ranking designs or gameplay? or both

[red peak]

Thats gotta be a joke- right?

[frail bloom]

[frail bloom]

But so much power in my hands

I must

[obsidian shard]

Its not Cancelled its a ok

[warm ibex]

it's already getting super annoying

[red peak]

Oh ok, good

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420207313050009600/1431369450439053353/797343bd8199e96efef4a8cb1ec4c568.gif

[obsidian shard]

Progress on making it has been Very Very Good from what Hugoat says

[frail bloom]

Ye y'know the two times I did it for fun but I hear yah

[harsh flame]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-reaction-knight-medieval-my-reaction-to-that-information-gif-27668412

[cerulean pagoda]

a ranking on coolness

[green estuary]

Don’t listen to him
DLC’s been postponed to 2027

[frail bloom]

See Katsu knows what's up

[warm ibex]

accidentally used the real release year

[green estuary]

all the compassion leaving my body after I hear someone asking about the DLC for the millionth time

[green estuary]

shhh

[frail bloom]

You saw nothing

[warm ibex]

I think these questions are entirely valid, the quantity is the only problem

[obsidian shard]

Also Peak Pfp,

[green estuary]

They should ask their valid questions on twitter or something
Idk why people think some random guys in a discord channel are privy to more information than the general public

[solar cairn]

There are rumors that the game will get DLC, is that right?

[green estuary]

Yes indeed

[warm ibex]

so much info is revealed during the streams and then never posted on any official channels, genuinely cannot blame these people for turning to the community

also, would you want to go to fucking twitter to ask for information?

[obsidian shard]

Because the Goat (Hato) posts it all there in an easy to read format

[warm ibex]

that's true, but not everyone knows of our goat

[green estuary]

I dunno
Discord is the extent of my social media presence so I’m not really familiar with it

[obsidian shard]

Hell your videos have some DLC news too, so the asking is def confusing

[frail bloom]

You don't know how cathartic it is to spread disinformation and see it work
(But I'll stop I'll stop)

[green estuary]

All people have to do is just search up “doom the dark ages dlc” on YouTube and they’ll get all the info they need

[warm ibex]

I also can't really blame anyone for not wanting to sift through my library of post-launch vids that all have similar titles and thumbnails just to find the answer to one or two questions

again, I really don't think these people's questions are any less valid simply because we're annoyed by them

[frail bloom]

I think asking what dlc info was revealed in stream is totally fine

But asking for the release date, like a dev is gonna drop that in a stream

[obsidian shard]

Incorrect only "DLC when?" Shall be allowed

[warm ibex]

lmao

that's also another point tbf. You never know what they'll reveal during streams

[solar cairn]

• Hugo, we will get dlc?
• Interesting..

[warm ibex]

for all these people know, they revealed the DLC release date months ago on stream and, just like everything else they talk about on stream, never posted it on the official doom accounts

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1432832917859598397/Interesting....png?ex=69198f64&is=69183de4&hm=bf193b7bfe9c8bec7521e36082a84f8d62f4bd330ef2d97aace948af41245795&

[warm ibex]

I dunno, I'm not trying to get anything going

just saying that while it gets on everyone's nerves, these questions really aren't the end of the world. just uninformed people hoping to find answers without digging too hard

[frail bloom]

No that's true

[supple oracle]

Thanks I been looking for this, you will see next week LOL

[green estuary]

I just enjoy spreading misinformation

[frail bloom]

But remember horde the dlc is cancelled cuz of raytracing and gamepass

/j

[violet zealot]

Wait, I thought you said that you’re capping

[obsidian shard]

hell yeah, glad to help! Also hows the DOOM Eternal Modding stuff going?

[frail bloom]

dude

[obsidian shard]

he is

[violet zealot]

𝙾𝚑𝚑𝚑𝚑

[supple oracle]

been good, I have something next week

[violet zealot]

𝚂𝚛𝚛𝚢

[frail bloom]

This is too easy

[violet zealot]

𝙻𝚘𝚕

[obsidian shard]

I'll be looking forward to it!

[warm ibex]

peak next week, holy shit

[violet zealot]

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/YcIQ7u6cqac

that demon is fucked up

[violet zealot]

𝙻𝚘𝚕 𝚏𝚛

[warm ibex]

no one is buying that shit man

people are giving away codes for free left and right, and the skin will become available to all players in the future

have some decency and post the code somewhere instead of trying to squeeze money out of some poor soul

[hard thistle]

Almost done with the Doom guide.
Releasing it today.

[obsidian shard]

Hell yeah

[green estuary]

Imagine trying to sell something that literally everyone is just giving away for free

[supple oracle]

ong

[red peak]

Did they chnage the hud for the Atlan? Or am I crazy?

[violet zealot]

𝚆𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚍𝚒𝚍!!!

[red peak]

They did???

[supple oracle]

If you don't need a SINGLEPLAYER skin, just give it to someone everything turing into a bussiness these days @warm ibex LMAO

[red peak]

Wait no- thats definatly the same- I just looked back at one of my videos and its the same

[violet zealot]

𝙻𝚘𝚘

[supple oracle]

sure buddy

[violet zealot]

*𝚕𝚘𝚕

[supple oracle]

Imagine begin so desperate to sell a singleplayer only fps game with not multiplayer skin to someone, I might be clown but atleast I have a dignity

Sure, if you hate doom players why you even here ??

I know right

[unkempt dragon]

You can leave then

[red peak]

Yeah bro, playing Doom is worse than smoking

[red peak]

(Says the guy with a Doomslayer pfp 😭)

Also- I need a black and gold skin so bad lol

[supple oracle]

It so ridiculous dude, I know these type of people they in every game community server, sell stuff skins for High prices, and sometimes they send an expire codes

[red peak]

Wait what?

Im just saying I want a black and gold skin added at some point like the one you get in Eternal for beating horde mode on the hardest difficulty

[supple oracle]

I am talking about that guy who try to sell a skin here

read the up messages LMAO

[red peak]

Oh lmao

[strange wave]

Are there any mods to swap which thumbstick the weapon wheel is controlled with? Cannot get used to the right thumbstick being the one to control it and would strongly prefer the left one like it was in 2016 and eternal

[red peak]

Wasnt is always the same one?

Maybe im tripping lol idk

[uneven dragon]

ayy sweet

[green estuary]

There’s a mod for the nightmare skin on nexus that gives it gold highlights

[violet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-wow-wow-meme-omg-wow-gif-download-omg-meme-gif-25892525

[thin hound]

Anyone else notice that the Ripatorium icon for the Cyberdemon Leader is inaccurate, the glowing parts are orange when they’re supposed to be pink

[hard thistle]

what are your guys thoughts on the Doom Slayer skins in the dark ages

[violet zealot]

𝙸𝚝'𝚜 𝚐𝚘𝚘𝚍

[strong moth]

I understand that people want more than color swaps but I really like them all. Ranger, Verdant, and Perfection are my tops

[violet zealot]

How do you get ranger?

[solid nacelle]

That was the tie in with the pizza place

[violet zealot]

𝚆𝚑𝚘 𝚒𝚜 𝚜𝚝𝚛𝚘𝚗𝚐𝚎𝚛

𝚉𝚘𝚖𝚋𝚒𝚎 𝚍𝚘𝚘𝚖 𝚜𝚕𝚊𝚢𝚎𝚛

𝙾𝚛 𝚣𝚘𝚖𝚋𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚜𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚝

𝟷: 𝚣𝚘𝚖𝚋𝚒𝚎 𝚍𝚘𝚘𝚖 𝚜𝚕𝚊𝚢𝚎𝚛

𝟸: 𝚣𝚘𝚖𝚋𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚜𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚝

[elder raven]

assuming thats serrat you mean im guessing 1

[violet zealot]

𝙽𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝'𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚘𝚙𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚜

𝟷 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚍𝚘𝚘𝚖 𝚜𝚕𝚊𝚢𝚎𝚛

𝟸𝚒𝚜 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚜𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚝

𝚈𝚘𝚞 𝚙𝚒𝚌𝚔 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚔

𝙸𝚜 𝚜𝚝𝚛𝚘𝚗𝚐

[radiant spade]

Chill, homie. He was correcting your spelling.

[violet zealot]

𝙾𝚑 𝚕𝚘𝚕

[radiant spade]

Also, how are you typing like that?

[violet zealot]

𝚆𝚒𝚝𝚑

𝙵𝚊𝚌𝚎𝚖𝚘𝚓𝚒

𝙰𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚊𝚙𝚙 𝚜𝚝𝚘𝚛𝚎

[radiant spade]

Ah.

[violet zealot]

𝙸𝚝 𝚏𝚛𝚎𝚎

[radiant spade]

I use Samsung, so for me it's the Google Play Store.

[violet zealot]

𝙾𝚑... 𝚂𝚊𝚖𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐

[radiant spade]

Lol.

[red peak]

Thatd be nice, but im not on pc

[violet zealot]

𝚂𝚊𝚖𝚎

[solar spoke]

so the Gabecube is 6 inches wide, long and tall apparently. Slayer cube?

[violet zealot]

𝙳𝚊𝚗𝚐

𝚆𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚒𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚋𝚒𝚐𝚐𝚎𝚜𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚗 𝚍𝚘𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚍𝚊𝚛𝚔 𝚊𝚐𝚎𝚜

[summer temple]

Anybody know what’s up with not being able to change the HDR settings?

[rapid bronze]

Do we have anything new on the dlc?

Any news we got over the last 2-3 months?

[obsidian shard]

yes quite a bit

[rapid bronze]

Ooh alright

We got a release date?

Wait i found a video

[strange wave]

No on 2016 and eternal moving around the weapon wheel was the left thumbstick whereas in TDA it’s on the right thumbstick. It’s so weird and awkward

[violet zealot]

𝙾𝚑 𝙸 I knew there’s something different between those three games

[obsidian shard]

DLC:

• Marok will be involved in the DLC, which clearly means he will play a bigger role
• We will most likely going to see more cosmic realm in the DLC!
• DLC cutscenes will be more immersive/in first person
• More backtracking throughout the levels, more unlocking of the space
• More mobility options for those who want it (this will be optional. in some instances it will be required but for the most part it will be optional)
• The order of the six is confirmed to be the High Council, also kinda confirming that the DLC will be revolved around them
• The Witch won't be in the DLC
• NO Release Date yet
• 1 DLC Concept art:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1439401030205968404/G3_RNlMXMAAQfyB.jpg?ex=691a622c&is=691910ac&hm=f39ccd5d263dbbba1a42a8280ab0a99d1830fae7452aa3aa899783923bbcd057&

[violet zealot]

Oh yeah, I remember this

[obsidian shard]

are you on xbox or ps?

[violet zealot]

𝙿𝙻𝚊𝚢𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗𝟻

[hard thistle]

#general message
Released the new Doom lore guide here.

[obsidian shard]

Ok well for Xbox its the same as it was for the past 2 games

[violet zealot]

𝟶𝚑

[obsidian shard]

hell Yeah dude, also Congrats!!!

[elder raven]

will be reading tonight, as someone who is also hyper fixated on doom lore like you im very hyped

[red peak]

Oh- ig ive just commited it to muscle memory so i never noticed

[red peak]

Bro forgot he had an accent for a second

[violet zealot]

𝙻𝚘𝚕

𝙸 𝚍𝚒𝚍 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚐𝚎𝚝

[hard thistle]

Thank you both!

[red peak]

YO LETS GOOOO

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420207313050009600/1431369450439053353/797343bd8199e96efef4a8cb1ec4c568.gif

[obsidian shard]

real

[elder raven]

idea i had just now

[frail bloom]

Don't you find it kinda weird that they even dropped dlc concept art in the first place. Like if you think abt it, they showed it off in august which is kinda early to show visual info

[violet zealot]

𝚆𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚒𝚜 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚒𝚍𝚎𝚊

[elder raven]

an “order of the 6”doom lore enthusiasts

[frail bloom]

Just smt interesting to note

[elder raven]

trailer either tomorrow or the game awards

[frail bloom]

Why tommorrow😭

[elder raven]

everything is tomorrow

[frail bloom]

Lol

[violet zealot]

𝙵𝚛

[elder raven]

new quake tomorrow

every upcoming marvel movie ever tomorrow

[violet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-reaction-doom-cacodemon-gif-792118870890486214

[summer temple]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-doom-gif-9983484

[violet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-doom-eternal-doom-genshin-sucks-glory-kill-gif-1618966088396377383

[round owl]

NEW RIPATORIUM WHEN

I’m dyin here

So pumped

[elder raven]

its coming this month likely within 1-2 weeks

[mystic barn]

Thursday next week seems to be likely

[obsidian shard]

From Josh on stream saying the update will be out by Thursday!

[violet zealot]

Yooo I just got the phalanx skin for the doom slayer

[frosty roost]

Wait how?

I tried to get the onyx one but it didn't show up in my game

[red peak]

New ripitorium?

[obsidian shard]

Phalanx is from buyin the Mcfarlane Phalanx doom slayer fig

[red peak]

Have you put in the code?

[frosty roost]

I did, didn't work or show up

[red peak]

Ok, did you restart your game?

[frosty roost]

Yes.

[red peak]

Oh-

[frosty roost]

yeah idk what is going on lmaooo

[warm ibex]

and you're certain you put the code into the bethesda site while logged into the same account that's linked to TDA?

[round owl]

Update incoming yup

[red peak]

Oh ok, whats the update?

[obsidian shard]

Ripatorium 2.0!

[red peak]

Well duh- but whats new about it?

[obsidian shard]

Ripatorium 2.0:

• More Music Tracks (The Remaining 5)
• Update the Arenas with some more cover
• Rounds have been added, in each round you can customize the wave in that round
• You can share your Ripatorium round codes through a code
• id Software made Pre-sets
• Monthly Community Pre-sets
• Bug Fixes

All-round:

• Melee and shield rune quick swap
• Brink-of-death will have a Hard/Normal toggle
• Gore Pass (better Gore) and Improved Ragdolls
• Bug Fixes

[harsh egret]

Gonna be a fun next week

[obsidian shard]

Yes sir

Will be very happy to read the patch notes and see what bugs they addressed

[red peak]

Yo lets goooo

[royal osprey]

yeet

[solar cairn]

Waiting Samir codes..

[frosty roost]

Yes

[frosty roost]

turns out that i had a very old bethesda account

edit: I found it and redeemed the code!!

[hard thistle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/1oxwznd/how_come_ahzrak_is_so_dangerous_than_the_dark

This post was so annoying because all of the comments were WRONG. WROOOOONG.

well it's because TAG2 was rushed
well you see In Lore Davoth is actually way stronger...
No. This is coping. It is coping so hard. Ahzrak was stronger than Davoth because he had the powers of a fucking Wraith inside him. And TAG2 heavily implies Davoth just straight up does not have his powers anymore.

[midnight cedar]

Yeah that’s kinda the norm for Reddit

A lot of people there don’t really read or care about the lore

So you end up in a lot of situations where people just spout misinformation

Like I remember before the game launched

People thought the armored titan at the end of Siege part 1 was the dreadnought

As in the dreadnought that the Slayer killed in Taras Nabad

[solar cairn]

Azhrak sucks

[mystic barn]

The need for a mech suit should be indicative of such, but I wouldn’t expect anyone on the DOOM fans subreddit to actually use that wrinkly organ in their skulls. I do think TAG 2’s rushing has informed the lore. That supposed dragon phase would have been sick

[uneven dragon]

first point is partially true but it’s not relevant to powerscaling

[uneven dragon]

I MISS THE DRAGON PHASE :(

[hard thistle]

To specify TAG2 was totally rushed - where I disagree is that it means anything. People say it with the cadence that because it was rushed, TAG2 is not reliable in its lore.

What we see is what's canon. The rushed lore is what is canon. Davoth turning into a dragon is not in the game, so it is not canon, regardless of the reason why it isn't there.

[uneven dragon]

Well tbf it’s sort of relevant to the question in the title of the post no?

It’s not entirely a lore question

[mystic barn]

Oh right, yeah no I gotcha

[hard thistle]

Well yes, but the comments I see kinda springboard off of that as "TAG2 lore is rushed so the Davoth fight is not actually representative of Davoth himself."

[uneven dragon]

Tru tru

[hard thistle]

Also holy fuck I feel like. The mech should make this so obvious.

[uneven dragon]

Tbh when I played I just assumed the mech was there for aura cause Hugo thinks it’s cool

[hard thistle]

It should be self-evident. Oh, he has a mech. Okay so clearly he needs it to fight. Which means he cannot fight us without it. Okay so he doesn't have his special powers or whatever right now. Cool, makes sense.

"No it's only like that because TAG2 was rushed-" COVID made them model a robot mech? Rushed development forced them to model a mech?

COVID became a sentient ghost and puppeteered the hands of the modelers to force them against their wills to model a badass mech for Davoth to fight in?

[uneven dragon]

The mech is made of dragon parts

[hard thistle]

That would have been cool actually. He turns into a mecha-dragon.

[hard thistle]

TDA shows Doomguy losing his mecha-dragon to a Hell lord
TAG2 ends with the Dark Lord becoming a mecha-dragon in mockery of what he has lost

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[uneven dragon]

Tuff

[mystic barn]

It does make me wonder if the devs will ever make us fight Davoth in his prime

[uneven dragon]

Too late lol

To be honest I know it’ll NEVER happen but if they did update TAG 2’s Davoth fight I would be happy

I don’t think it’d really improve TAG 2 that much but I’m sure Doom fans would see a dragon and go “all is redeemed” so maybe they should try it

[mystic barn]

I dunno, I'm sure there's some story bullshit that they could pull

[uneven dragon]

well yea theres always story bullshit lol

however (no offence to the team working on doom) i would be very surprised to see davoth again after such a negative reaction lol

i just dont think theyre the type of people to do that

id be happy for a redo tho

[hard thistle]

If I'm being honest the Master Level mod makes it one of my favorite boss fights in the series. It doesn't fundamentally change the Marauder-lite stuff but adding a slaughter-wave halfway through and having him routinely spawning actual demons and demon apparitions is really cool, plus Maykr Drones routinely spawning and I like it.

[uneven dragon]

and also update TAG 1 to make Samur wield the Crucible pretty please ok thank u 🙏 🙏

and also update tag 2 to make samur the final boss

and then make a full game for davoth and and and

[hard thistle]

I never hated Davoth's fight, honestly - I'm easy to please from a gameplay standpoint. From a story standpoint I prefer Davoth's fight not really being a mega epic battle with the biggest baddest enemy ever. I kind of thematically prefer the idea of Davoth being an ancient relic who needs to be left in the past - this is the Slayer sweeping up the trash, not fighting his arch-nemesis.

[hard thistle]

I wrote my own TAG rewrite concept a long time ago and had the Father as the boss of TAG2. I liked that idea. I wish they did that.

[uneven dragon]

i enjoyed the davoth fight myself but a dragon would be neat

[hard thistle]

Samur is the real travesty of TAG's boss fights.

How people detest Davoth but give Samur a pass is beyond me. Give the chief secondary character of modern Doom a boss fight and he does almost fucking nothing but move pillars and spawn possessed demons. Holy fuck. It is so underwhelming and bad.

[uneven dragon]

dont worry ive always hated samur's fight and also samur

[uneven dragon]

i wouldn't mind him being a non standard bossfight if it was at least a more interesting one

i understand samur having people fight for him but it could've been done way better

[hard thistle]

At the very fucking least have him spawn, like, exclusive Seraph enemies. Why the FUCK IS HE SPAWNING POSSESSED DEMONS. They have NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM.

[uneven dragon]

ALSO . WHY DID HE NOT HAVE THE CRUCIBLE. THAT . 2016 . SAID HE'D. FIGHT US WITH .

(i mean i get that's eternal's fault for pivoting from that but uhh)

[hard thistle]

God it is the worst. Awful

[uneven dragon]

i saw someone on here arguing it was the best nudoom boss lol

WAIT IT WAS DINOHERETIC LOL

i didnt expect that

[hard thistle]

Dino with all respect I cannot agree.

Especially after TDA, the clear answer IMO is Enhanced Ahzrak.

Like it is a masterful boss fight.

[mystic barn]

Woah woah, I don't remember saying the beeest, but I did enjoy it

Enhanced Ahzrak is clearly better, but I'm not super enthralled by the "shoot at it until it dies" kinds of bosses

[uneven dragon]

caught in 4k

[mystic barn]

Fart

I'm gonna rely heavily on that "probably" there

[uneven dragon]

davoth if it was good

[valid kettle]

Hello guys. I got gift from NVidia, im not playing doom, so i hope some of u would use it: 6NF2-3K3D-R99H-8EF8-CN7H
This is description of the gift: Step into the blood-stained boots of the DOOM Slayer in this never-before-seen dark and sinister medieval war against Hell. Redeem the DOOM Slayer Onyx skin reward now on the Bethesda website. While Supplies Last.

[meager vortex]

https://x.com/i/status/1989782208446406675

Humanbydesign (@Humanbydesign3)

Another one🥶

X · Nov 15, 2025, 7:47 PM

that demon behind doom slayer is waiting rip and tear soon

[elder raven]

um

[solar cairn]

Will the change of runes and close combat be available for the entire game or only for Ripatorium?

I didn’t fully understand this point

[elder raven]

if you mean the hot keys like switching melee without pausing then that’s for the entire game

[solid beacon]

Alex terrible was asking for super shotgun and i give lusifer bane to him as gift.

[meager vortex]

campaign and ripatorium2.0

[frank oriole]

i just found some dev text lmao

#videos

[violet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-doom-slayer-gif-26362399

[harsh egret]

"I am a slayer gate"

https://tenor.com/view/bahaha-lol-hd-gif-minion-minion-laugh-gif-2154867417577880306

[frank oriole]

I am a slayer gate

[frail bloom]

I guess cuz he's the most difficult and requires real planning and good movement. It's built off of eternal's gameplay loop which kinda harms it in the long run. Idk I'm guessing that's the reason, I don't like samur that much either.

[hard thistle]

I agree with the planning and movement but that is because of everything BUT Samur. It's the possessed demons. Who I don't like already. Man

[green estuary]

Funny thing is, samur’s possessed demons are different from regular possessed demons

They’re completely immune to BFG tendrils

[obtuse pasture]

Does anyone want a code for Onyx Skin because I got one

[violet zealot]

𝚈𝚎𝚜

[green estuary]

Also the dread knight especially is much tankier than a normal possessed dread knight

[frail bloom]

What if it was possessed maykr demons

Assuming they had more maykr types

[green estuary]

Possessed blood maykrs are a thing

[hard thistle]

No possessions! Why would Samur have control over Spirits! They are DEMONS!

[obtuse pasture]

okay bro dms

[violet zealot]

𝙾𝚔

[frail bloom]

Oh that's what you're getting at

Well why do demons spawn in the arena?

The whole bossfight is off

[hard thistle]

There is literally no lore reason for it. It is such a nonsense fight.

[green estuary]

I wasn’t even looking at it from a lore perspective

[frail bloom]

Nah it's cuz he looks like a demon so obv he spawns demons it's hugo logic

[hard thistle]

They managed to make a fight against the right hand of God, who was actually the cyborg you've been wanting to throw hands with for two games, boring. Somehow. What the fuck.

Oh man this fight makes me mad to think about.

[frail bloom]

Well he ain't dead so there's a chance we see him again

[hard thistle]

This is why we should have fought the Father. I can imagine it in my head and it's so good. Where's my TAG rewrite concept?

[frail bloom]

Ye but during covid like how would that go

It would be dissapointing

[hard thistle]

Found it.

REWRITING THE ANCIENT GODS.

CONDITIONS:
Magically, The Ancient Gods now releases as a 6 level campaign. Both parts combined.
Davoth is now no longer a villain, saved for a hypothetical third game.
Story is focused on TAG1's basic premise.

Level order is as follows:
PART ONE:
UAC Atlantica
World Spear -> Telorum
Blood Swamps
PART TWO:
Reclaimed Earth
The Holt
The Luminarium
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1121477880199794698/1211717745612292157/image.png?ex=68087257&is=680720d7&hm=d09964cfebd10ebfa737e863262f62ed2a54311e02a0abe08665606549509571&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1106&height=808
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121477880199794698/1211717832061096016/image.png?ex=6808726b&is=680720eb&hm=1575299f2ece5aff37e40e0a7af32bac7ff13b5a0408c63fa6130ed1f1b9bc4f&

[violet zealot]

𝚃𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚒𝚜 𝚊𝚕𝚕𝚘𝚝

[hard thistle]

I want to go to the timeline where this happened.

[violet zealot]

𝙻𝚘𝚕 𝚜𝚊𝚖𝚎

[frail bloom]

How would the slayer react to the father willingly giving up

[violet zealot]

𝚂𝚛𝚛𝚢 𝚠𝚛𝚘𝚗𝚐 𝚐𝚒𝚏

[frail bloom]

Cuz I would assume he would be caught off guard

[violet zealot]

𝙼𝚊𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚋𝚢

[hard thistle]

Hesitant and caught off guard, IMO. I don't really know how I would write his body language, but in my head I imagine the Father giving up and becoming a Life Sphere again to be the one thing that makes the Slayer hesitate and seem almost sad to crush it.

[frail bloom]

Oh my god he shows emotion peak

[hard thistle]

Almost like the Father proves he has some humanity unlike the rest of the Maykrs. But the Slayer still has a job to do, and he is going to see it through.

[frail bloom]

Peak

Well we don't live in that timeline

[violet zealot]

𝚆𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚒𝚏 𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚍𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚕𝚊𝚢𝚎𝚛 𝚐𝚘𝚝 𝚖𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚙𝚘𝚠𝚎𝚛𝚏𝚞𝚕?

[frail bloom]

But hopefully we live in the timeline where the slayer and marok become buddies

And marok actually proves that he is stronger and faster then his father

Cuz I call BULL

[violet zealot]

𝙻𝚘𝚕

[hard thistle]

Part of why I envision this is also because I think the Father could easily wreck the Slayer's shit in a fight.

[frail bloom]

He did defeat davoth at his prime

[hard thistle]

In my head, the only way the Slayer wins a fight against the Father is if the Father gives up to begin with. The Father was able to kill Davoth in his prime, who at worst was equal to the Slayer in power, and at best was much, much stronger.

[frail bloom]

And davoth is a primeval

[violet zealot]

𝙼𝚊𝚋𝚢 𝚋𝚞𝚝 didn’𝚝 𝚑𝚎 𝚍𝚎𝚏𝚎𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚍𝚊𝚛𝚔 𝙻𝚘𝚛𝚍 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚎𝚊𝚜𝚢

[frail bloom]

Ngl it looked easy in the codex illustration

[hard thistle]

I'm hoping the DLC gives us more of Marok in a satisfying way.

[frail bloom]

Anything is better then his lackluster performance in the campaign.

But his character hasn't been ruined persay so there is room for improvement

[violet zealot]

𝚃𝚛𝚞

[hard thistle]

Some believe it wasn't actually a fight, but an ambush or something. To be fair, the Codex never explicitly states that the Father and Davoth fought and Davoth lost. Only that the Father confronted Davoth, then tore the Life Sphere from his chest, his lifeless body tumbling down the mountain.

I believe they fought because that is the coolest interpretation. But it is possible the Father ambushed him or used some weird magic to avoid a fight.

[violet zealot]

𝙳𝚊𝚗𝚐

𝚆𝚑𝚊𝚝...

𝚆𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚍𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚕𝚘𝚘𝚔𝚜 𝚕𝚒𝚔𝚎

*𝙻𝚘𝚘𝚔

[frail bloom]

I mean ye it's vague but I'm going with the fight theory

[hard thistle]

The Codex simply portrays him as a blinding white silhouette of a robed figure. It's probably not literal.

[violet zealot]

𝙾𝚑𝚑𝚑

[frail bloom]

For some reason he's a figure with a cloak, unlike the maykrs. I'm guessing his presence can't be documented bc it's that complicated

[hard thistle]

Keep in mind the Book of Seraphs specifically portrays the Father as the God of the Maykrs, and it is rooted in falsehoods, so they would have motive to portray him as more Godly than he would seem.

[frail bloom]

I was thinking it's just too much for them to comprehend

[violet zealot]

𝙻𝚘𝚕

[hard thistle]

My ideal Father design would look like the Seraphim were a Pokemon and the Father's the final evolution. Cyborg robot eye motif, metal tentacles, but with more design elements inspired by Christian angels; rings, eyes, wings.

[violet zealot]

𝚃𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚠𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚕𝚘𝚘𝚔 𝚌𝚘𝚘𝚕

[frail bloom]

Would that be cool with eternal's gameplay tho

Knowing them they'd make a kalibas fight or smt

[violet zealot]

𝙼𝚊𝚢𝚋𝚎

[hard thistle]

Ultimately the Father is just a machine, like the rest of the Maykrs. So I would want the Father to look simply like a very impressive and powerful machine, one that happened to inspire what humanity would design as angels. It would be neat to see, like, the whole Ophanim, rings with eyes revolving in themselves shit, but recontextualized as simply divine machinery.

[frail bloom]

It is unique and I'd like to see that

[violet zealot]

𝚃𝚛𝚞

[frail bloom]

Well hopefully they don't mess up the high council then

This is the second go around for a dlc so hopefully they lock in and surprise us

[violet zealot]

𝚆𝚎 𝚖𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝 𝚗𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠

[frail bloom]

I think we're only fighting two bosses tho

Some say 6 like Dino but uhhhh no

[violet zealot]

𝙻𝚘𝚕

[obsidian shard]

1 per level (Trust+Cope)

[violet zealot]

𝙼𝚊𝚢𝚋𝚎

[harsh egret]

thats like more than one boss per 2 levels

[frail bloom]

I know it's insane

[harsh egret]

and i dont want them to all be mini bosses or smth

[hard thistle]

I'm not a game designer (okay, I am, but not for FPS games) but if I envision a Father boss fight I envision it kind of like Blood Maykrs, where the Father has these rings and eyes around him and the eyes are weak points that you have to shoot, and once you snipe them all you disable his shield and get to deal actual damage. A mechanic where he fakes being dazed for a Glory Kill animation only to block and take health from you if you fall for the bait. Stuff like that.

[violet zealot]

𝙼𝚊𝚢𝚋𝚎 𝟻 𝚙𝚎𝚛 𝚕𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚕

[harsh egret]

ohh wait

[obsidian shard]

Mancubus Boss???

[harsh egret]

maybe its multiple phase boss and we fight each one

[frail bloom]

I think what would also make it satisfying is if the eyes explode in one hit. I hate having to hit them a lot of times

[harsh egret]

like each phase is one boss

[violet zealot]

𝟷𝟶 𝚖𝚊𝚗𝚌𝚋𝚞𝚜 𝚋𝚘𝚜𝚜𝚎𝚜!!!

[harsh egret]

or each boss has 2 phases and its like a 12 phase boss encounter thing xd

[frail bloom]

Ingenius

That sounds feasible

[hard thistle]

No yeah. There are a bunch of eyes, you have to shoot each one, but it only takes one shot. Maybe they are protected until he attacks, like Blood Maykrs? I dunno.

[violet zealot]

𝚃𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚠𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚋𝚎 𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-reaction-meme-funny-begging-crying-gif-11151243012681431164

[harsh egret]

tbh now that i think about it i can see it happen, at least maybe we fight the first 3 back to back to back and then it finishes the dlc with the last 3

[frail bloom]

I just don't want them like the turrets or kalibas or that weird tower in nekravol pt 2

[hard thistle]

Supposedly just being one DLC will likely help.

I wouldn't expect, like, fighting every member or whatever.

[frail bloom]

This is a peak idea

[obsidian shard]

also they aren't under time restraints or Covid!

[harsh egret]

what if its like how i described above

[hard thistle]

I also wouldn't expect to deal with the entire council in one DLC. More like we fight one, and that is how we see more of the council as a whole.

[frail bloom]

Well we gotta have two bosses

Even tag has two bosses

[hard thistle]

Maybe, but I don't think we will have six whole bosses in one DLC. That's almost twice as many as the main game.

[frail bloom]

And one mini boss

[harsh egret]

if its not how i said, i kinda think 3 at least

[frail bloom]

Do we know all their names

I think erebus is def one

[violet zealot]

𝟷𝟶𝟶. 𝙱𝚘𝚜𝚜𝚎𝚜 𝚕𝚘𝚕

[harsh egret]

bob, bob, bob, bob, bob and bob

[frail bloom]

[harsh egret]

absolute bob

[violet zealot]

𝙵𝚛

[frail bloom]

Can we have a vassago as one of them that would be soo cool

An elite vassago

[hard thistle]

Erebus is the only confirmed Archdemon, if we assume the Artbook lore is still accurate, which it may very well not be.

[violet zealot]

𝙳𝚊𝚗𝚐

[hard thistle]

I like to think the Mother Demon is another Archdemon, personally.

[violet zealot]

𝙼𝚊𝚋𝚢𝚎

[frail bloom]

I'm assuming it still kinda is cuz there's a fat dude in the hell levels that looks like a stand in for erebus(although I dislike its design)

[harsh egret]

also why does erebus look awfully alot like the kreed maykr

[hard thistle]

It's probably just a design similarity.

[frail bloom]

Idk but what I'm hoping is that the council looks cooler then their statues

[violet zealot]

𝙵𝚛

[frail bloom]

Cuz that fat guy ain't it

[violet zealot]

𝙻𝚘𝚕

[frail bloom]

Or "erebus"

We're halfway through november

Time is flying

[violet zealot]

𝚆𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚒𝚏 𝚠𝚎 𝚏𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚒𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚘𝚙𝚙𝚘𝚜𝚒𝚝𝚎 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚌𝚘𝚗 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚢𝚎𝚛

[harsh egret]

i mean statues r usually stone and no shit its gonna looks worse than what they would look like alive with all the effects and so on

[violet zealot]

𝙱𝚞𝚝 𝚜𝚒𝚖𝚒𝚕𝚊𝚛 𝚝𝚘 𝚕𝚘𝚘𝚔𝚜 𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚍𝚊

[harsh egret]

idk man i see potential

[hard thistle]

I also like to think the Icon of Sin was an Archdemon, before it died the first time.

[frail bloom]

Can someone take a clear picture of the fat dude

And like zoom in on his face

[violet zealot]

𝙾𝚗𝚎 𝚜𝚎𝚌

[frail bloom]

Do you know who I'm talking abt?

MY EYES

Vega mute him

[harsh egret]

if i get muted now

[frail bloom]

Fingers crossed

[harsh egret]

i would do absolutely nothing

[frail bloom]

Duh

You're muted

Now send the image so I can criticize it

[violet zealot]

𝙷𝚎𝚛𝚎

[frail bloom]

Here we go

[harsh egret]

#screenshots message

[violet zealot]

𝙲𝚊𝚗'𝚝 𝚙𝚊𝚜𝚝𝚜 𝚒𝚝???

[harsh egret]

i found these on google lel

idk man he has cool axe and stuff

[violet zealot]

𝚈𝚎

[frail bloom]

Take out the tusks and he's better

[harsh egret]

he could look cool when he is actually alive in game

[violet zealot]

𝙻𝚘𝚕 𝚏𝚛

[frail bloom]

I'll refrain alr

How abt the other dudes we have pics on them?

[harsh egret]

also why does one of the statues have like the hell symbol stuff on his belly and one doesnt

[violet zealot]

𝙸 𝚐𝚘𝚝 𝟸

[harsh egret]

its in the same level

[frail bloom]

Why is the demonic crucible on banners in argent d'nur??

Cuz it looks cool

Idk design choices

[hard thistle]

What do you mean?

[harsh egret]

ye but remember the e3 "we are huge lore nerds at id, everything has a meaning" and whatever and so on

[violet zealot]

𝚃𝚛𝚞

[frail bloom]

@wintry forge I think you made a vid abt this?

[violet zealot]

𝙼𝚊𝚋𝚢𝚎

[harsh egret]

and if thats smth to do with dlc i DOUBT they would place him around and just do smth that looks "cool"

[frail bloom]

Maybe it's his special attack idk

He opens his belly up and bad things happen

Demonic diabetes

[violet zealot]

𝚃𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚠𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚋𝚎 𝚐𝚛𝚘𝚜𝚜 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚌𝚘𝚘𝚕

[hard thistle]

Demonic Crucible on what banner in Argent D'Nur? Which game?

[harsh egret]

exactly, see? potential.

[frail bloom]

Dark ages

[violet zealot]

𝚃𝚛𝚞

[hard thistle]

Where?

[frail bloom]

It's been a while but when Icon responds he'll tell you abt it, bc I don't remember

He made a vid on it I think

[violet zealot]

𝙸 𝚑𝚘𝚙𝚎 𝚜𝚘

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-doom-airpod-gif-19801708

Somethings wrong with my game

𝙳𝚘𝚘𝚖 𝚒𝚜 𝚋𝚛𝚘𝚔𝚎𝚗 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚖𝚎

[slender night]

This gif is the most confusing media that any human has ever made

[violet zealot]

𝙻𝚘𝚕

[harsh egret]

hahahah

like who thinks of "airpods supershotgun killing louis vuitton amogus"

[frail bloom]

Who made the airpod ssg and can I have it

#screenshots message

Ye here's two more of them

We got the 4 armed one and the gargoyle boy

That's 3 total

[harsh egret]

or maybe we fight 2 at a time hmmmmMMMmm

[frail bloom]

That would be cool, and much more indtimidating then ahzrak and the witch

[harsh egret]

or they switch it up, one is a double boss, one is a back to back fight, idk just my ideas

[frail bloom]

Honestly I'd rather have one bossfight that uses two unique ai's

And they're both really big and it uses a big arena

PEAK

There's so many ways they can make this cool

[harsh egret]

ways we aint even thinkin of prob

let them cook

[frail bloom]

I'm ravenous

I'm just itching

[harsh egret]

im a stronger and stronger believer we will see dlc at tga

[frail bloom]

Im a believer I believe it

[slender night]

Raven you say? Hexen 3 when?

[harsh egret]

hearing hugo talking about actually playing through the dlc sounds like its in the last stages of development, idk

but we been having this convo too many times xd

[frail bloom]

Never now go back in your hidee hole

[slender night]

Aw

Actually never is accurate because of TDA and I am still salty

[frail bloom]

I know

I feel for you

(Not really)

[slender night]

Thank you vro...

[frail bloom]

[slender night]

Oh how nice of you

[frail bloom]

Nah I'm kidding

Hopefully id software stops milking doom just for you vro

Quake and hexen needs some love

[frail bloom]

You think so?

[harsh egret]

if id software makes some insanely brutal and gory melee fps game or smth... mmmmmhhhh

sounds so sick in my head

[harsh egret]

yes i think so

[frail bloom]

I don't know anything abt development

[slender night]

New Hexen is probably never happening because DOOM fills that spot now which STILL baffles me over a year later

[frail bloom]

But idk you'd think they'd be like 3/4 done with development right

[harsh egret]

also puzzles were mentioned a few weeks ago and thats usually smth u add later on in development

[frail bloom]

Or maybe doom is the testing grounds for a new hexen hmmmmmmm

[slender night]

😭 ?

[frail bloom]

Idk bruh yu want hope here's your hope

There's not much of it

[frail bloom]

Er like what game are you thinking of

[harsh egret]

3/4 sounds about right, i think they are gonna enter the polishing phase soon and release in feb

just my prediction and how im reading all this lol

[harsh egret]

just thinking in general

[frail bloom]

I think it's not a crime to predict things as long as you don't expect it to fall under your timeline

[harsh egret]

from what i personally know about game development

[frail bloom]

Like it's for funsies

[harsh egret]

no no at this point i learned my lesson after being so convinced about ng+ releasing this month

[frail bloom]

Oh ye I remember that

[warm ibex]

it's a miracle

[frail bloom]

L

[harsh egret]

but that was just my wild expectation, not me actually getting clues about how far its in development

[frail bloom]

That was so funny

[harsh egret]

u were waiting for that one huh

[frail bloom]

You were so adamant

[harsh egret]

[warm ibex]

yeah I've been watching chat for the past five minutes

[harsh egret]

lmao

bro was prob going "ah shit heres hato and samir talking about dlc release date bla bla bla..."

[frail bloom]

We ain't that egregious

[warm ibex]

I was thinking jan/feb for master levels and feb/march for dlc

[harsh egret]

hahahah

[harsh egret]

ye smth like that sounds about right

[frail bloom]

Who's that guy who said it was 99% gonna release in november?

I can't put my finger on it

Smt abt a master level campaign

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/judging-stare-bored-dont-you-dare-annoyed-gif-22904796

[frail bloom]

Hmmmm

Rhymes with Tomato

[wintry forge]

Yes I did. They’re in Eternal and TDA

[frail bloom]

@hard thistle

[hard thistle]

Where can I find this? I wasn't aware of the Demonic Crucible showing up in any Sentinel levels.

[wintry forge]

Most of them actually. Village of Khalim, sentinel barracks, different ones

Village has several. One in the church with the key and another right when you exit the gates that lead to the gore nests segment of the level

[hard thistle]

Like. Random banners on walls or something?? Do you have a screen cap?

[harsh egret]

maybe in the church after the first pinky on khalim, i could be wrong tho

[wintry forge]

I have a video that shows them all and stuff, I can’t tell you specifically all the levels off the top of my head. One sec

I put it in #screenshots

[harsh egret]

ah ye

were there any windows (forgot what they actually were called) in churches and other places that had the crucible like eternal did? @wintry forge

[hard thistle]

Oh what the fuck. Well that radically upheaves my understanding of what this thing is.

[wintry forge]

But I talk more about it in the lore vid. Makes me believe that it was already part of some Argenta prophecy before the Slayer arrived there, spread by the Maykrs. Or maybe its knowledge came after the demons arrived in Argent D’Nur,

https://youtu.be/iICYMaBYjqM?si=OmQ0QRCvQNysQTgz

Check out this video if you want. The first half is talking about the Argenta Prophecy. It’s hard to explain in chat

[wintry forge]

Not any windows, no. But banners and stonework, yes

I checked about every level when researching it. But I could have missed it

*stained glass

[harsh egret]

stained glass yes..

[wintry forge]

It really does. It can lead to a lot of understandings on how the Crucible ties into Argenta history, or if the Slayer did in fact weird it at a time, as foreshadowed from 2016

[hard thistle]

Right after I post the lore guide, too... What a shame. I'll have to revise that section.

[frail bloom]

Hey at least it wasn't months in

[harsh egret]

unfortunate

[frail bloom]

Maybe wait till the dlc to see if it leads up to anything

[wintry forge]

I think it may be some vulnerability to Hell. Maybe the High Council’s vulnerability? Maybe that’s why the Slayer ended up with it in the first place, or maybe there’s some other incentive for the Slayer to eventually seek it out

If it really is the Dark Lord’s Crucible, as seen in TAG1’s codex, maybe it can come into play with the Order of the Six

[hard thistle]

It was my theory for a long time that the Demonic Crucible was just a Sentinel Crucible that the demons took as a trophy of war, and that it looked like that because of Hell corruption. Based on the mission being to "RECLAIM" it, implying prior ownership, and the Titan's Realm being a trophy hall.

But the Sentinels having imagery of it long before any of that shit means that is like, flat out debunked. It was always like that.

[wintry forge]

Precisely. “Reclaimed” is a key word there! That could work, but I always felt it would make things complicated if there were always more than just one Sentinel Crucible. Kinda undermines the power of it being the Slayer’s. We don’t really know for sure, but it was always referred in the codex as being some great weapon only known to be wielded by the Slayer

[hard thistle]

The Crucible's just surrounded by vague bullshit. It doesn't help that Eternal has the constant "you NEED the Crucible to kill TITANS, DOOMGUY" shit that is outright false and proven so by 2016 and TDA.

[wintry forge]

Completely agree there. There’s the argument that “oh, the crucible just completely stops them, like their entire soul from resurrecting as opposed to just killing them” but we see in 2016/ Eternal that the Hellscapes are littered with their ancient skeletons/corpses

I’m sure the vagueness is intentional. Just left open to interpretation because the games weren’t originally that story focused, but at this point it’s a whole mystery case

[hard thistle]

To me the best way to reconcile it is that there are "elite" Titans and those ones can't be killed traditionally for whatever reason, and a weapon that can stabilize the Argent Energy within them is the only thing that can stop them. And the Icon and Dreadnought are two of these.

That's the only real way I can reconcile that shit.

[frail bloom]

It kinda has to be, like for them to have developed eternal for 4 years, and not think once "huh, we have hayden say they can only die by the crucible but there's dozens of them dead in hell and on argent d'nur, well that's weird" like I can't imagine them blundering that hard

Not to mention 2016 as well

Dozens of dead titans there

[wintry forge]

It’s definitely a light plothole, but that could decently explain it. My only issue with that is the Dreadnaought titan looks to be and seems to scale an average titan. It’s hard to make complete sense of it, so it’s probably best to overlook most of it unfortunately

[obsidian shard]

We straight up see Ahzrak Resurrect Titans, so my Headcanon has been that the Crucible stops them from being resurrected

[wintry forge]

Yeah, it’s kinda funny tbh. I’m sure id was aware of it, but - doing cool stuff > unflawed lore logic

[frail bloom]

Or maybe he was wearing some special armor or was powered up by smt but the boom slayer exploded it with his crucible and the titan reverted back to normal bc why not

At this point they can pull anything

[hard thistle]

To be fair I believe this is likely because of the Wraith powers.

[obsidian shard]

He was Enchnaced by the Heart of Argent at that time so makes sense

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-ahzrak-ahzrak-doom-the-dark-ages-ahzrak-gif-16874272201756361656

His Music thoo god damn

[wintry forge]

Still kinda undermines all of the dead ones from 2016, all the skeletons/ corpses

[obsidian shard]

And the Field of Crucified titans outside Ahzraks Keep

[wintry forge]

There’s probably something keeping them bound there. I never understood how all those titanic beasts are always enslaved or chained up when alive/ not in combat

[warm ibex]

I wonder if they have low mental capacity

very susceptible to the will of a higher Hell lord, making them not only incredibly easy to command but also easy to turn into slaves/hell decor

or maybe the entire race is damned to be slaves for all eternity or some shit, I dunno

[mystic barn]

Finishing Move are able to inspire more than one emotion with their music, and no better is that represented than in Blood Spill

[wintry forge]

Big body, smol brain

[hard thistle]

This

[mystic barn]

Like a Stegosaurus

[hard thistle]

Titans are basically slaves in almost every single appearance we see them. TDA reveals they come from another world, and were originally peaceful giants.

[frail bloom]

I thought we always knew that

Right?

[hard thistle]

Nah, before TDA it was generally understood that Titans were native to Hell.

[obsidian shard]

So so true, Steel Beyond the Grave as well imo

[hard thistle]

You can infer that they're not very smart, and they actually seem to have fairly limited application in warfare. They're almost always used as slave labor or war machines. The only exceptions to this are Maligog (who seems to serve a higher purpose or whatever) and the Icon of Sin (who you could argue may have been intelligent and of authority in Doom 2).

[mystic barn]

Despite being canon, I’m rather dubious that the Icon is a Titan

[hard thistle]

My opinion: The Icon is a titan. Not a Titan.

[frail bloom]

Confusion

[wheat imp]

ive got a code for the onyx skin but i dont play the game, anyone want?

[wintry forge]

That’s probably it. They were from another realm originally so

[red peak]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-screaming-gif-21949769

[hard thistle]

Lowercase t. As in, the Icon is a giant humanoid that is generally similar to Titans, but it is not the same species as actual Titans.

[mystic barn]

AGREED HOLY SHIT. I lose my mind a little when anyone suggests they’re at all related when that’s clearly not the case

[obsidian shard]

ya, why not

[frail bloom]

Oh ok

[hard thistle]

If you want more specifics, I don't think the Icon was ever a Titan in Doom 2, but something weirder and more surreal. It was reborn as a Titan when they used Marok's heart.

[obsidian shard]

The Icon also looks drastically different

[frail bloom]

I thought we were in its stomach in classic doom

I remember watching a german peter vid and smt smt the penultimate level is the icons belly

[red peak]

In its stomach? Did it turn it's face inside out?

[wheat imp]

i dont have the game

[mystic barn]

If you want my scientific opinion here, the Icon is more related to the classic Hell Knights and Barons than to any Titan or modern Baron

[hard thistle]

I address this in my guide:

With DOOM: The Dark Ages revealing Titans to originate from another realm, the status
of the Icon of Sin as a true Titan is unclear. With the Icon’s references to real life demonic figures,
such as Baphomet’s appearance, or Satan’s birthing of Sin through his forehead in Paradise Lost,
**I believe it is still the general intention that the Icon of Sin is a genuine Hellborne demon rather
than an alien absorbed into the Dark Realm. **
With this in mind, it’s possible that the term “Titan” is simply a title generally referring to
large humanoid demons, and that while most Titans are from outside of Hell, the Icon is a
separate, unrelated creature that is simply titled as a Titan for its similarities to other Titans. This
is supported by the Icon’s unique traits not shared by other Titans, such as its ability to create
demons, invoke magic, and break down reality around it when outside of Hell or Urdak.

[frail bloom]

It's just one big hell knight

I think I saw a statue in dark ages that looks similar to the icon

But it had wings

[wheat imp]

its in dms

[frail bloom]

It looked like some baphomet thing

[red peak]

Do you have any other codes?

[hard thistle]

My theory with the Icon in general has always been that the original Icon of Sin was an intelligent Archdemon that commanded the forces of Hell during Doom 2, and the cybernetic bullshit it's plugged into in the game are an older, primitive tech-based version of what the Imperatrix does in 2016 - it's connecting to some kind of network to give commands to demons.
You kill it in Doom 2, it dies. Hell revives it using Marok's heart, but it comes back wrong - while its power has exponentially increased, it has lost its intelligence, and for all intents and purposes it has become a Titan, a war machine Hell uses when it needs not a scalpel but a sledgehammer.

[wheat imp]

nah, nvida gave it to me for being a year long partner

[red peak]

Oh ok

[wheat imp]

i just dont have the game and it was 1 code for the skin

[hard thistle]

So I don't think it's an actual Titan. I think its form in Eternal just resembles a Titan so much that they refer to it as one for the sake of simplicity.

[mystic barn]

Ooh I like that a lot

[frail bloom]

Maybe they should simplifying everything

And complicating things that don't need to be complicated

Like why is the cyberdemon in eternal a tyrant but in dark ages it's called a cyberdemon again

[hard thistle]

I actually pay them off to over-complicate things so that I have material to write the guide for.

[warm ibex]

we've got some smart fellas in chat

[mystic barn]

More like fart smellas

[frail bloom]

Like this infuriates me a lil

[red peak]

Yeah me too tbh, I wish it was called cyberdemon

[frail bloom]

Like cut out the middle man

[hard thistle]

My honest opinion is that they just call them Cyberdemons in TDA because that's the iconic name. As far as I'm concerned canon-wise, the only actual official Cyberdemon is Specimen CD587 in Doom 2016; everything else is a species of Tyrant, or Doom 3's final boss which is wholly separate.

[mystic barn]

Internally, the Cyberdemons of TDA are referred to as Tyrants

[hard thistle]

Really? That's neat.

[frail bloom]

So call them tyrants😭

And specify in the codex that they're species of tyrant

Wait brainfar5t

Ok I ain't fixing that

[hard thistle]

Same goes with the spiderbitches. Spiderdemons are the assholes in the OG games. Spider Mastermind is the physical form of the Aranea Imperatrix. I block out all mentions of the term "Spider Mastermind" in the originals.

[frail bloom]

Basically they should've called the eternal version a cyberdemon and specify it was a species of tyrant

[frail bloom]

But at the same time a spiderdemon led an invasion in doom 1

And the rest were just sitting around apparently

[hard thistle]

I think the others lead other invasions.

Okay, like. To be fair. I think we can kinda sorta infer from new lore that Doom 1's invasion is very sloppy and spur-of-the-moment.

[frail bloom]

So would you consider them generals

[hard thistle]

Absolutely; that's what I call them personally, and I liked expanding on that in the E3M8 adaptation fanfic I wrote.

[frail bloom]

Long overdue for a spiderdemon enemy ngl they need to return

I want to fight them alongside a vagary

To be fair you need an arena the size of kansas

But would be cool

[hard thistle]

The way I see it, it was not planned at all. Remember, this was the first battle of the First Age. Meaning Doom 1 is Hell's first invasion since the fall of Davoth. They were probably sitting on their thumbs waiting for something to happen when suddenly the UAC made contact. So they rushed and invaded, with a Spiderdemon general heading the invasion.

[frail bloom]

That's a cool theory

There was also a rogue cyberdemon in NRFTL

He led an invasion by himself too

[hard thistle]

I don't like to think about NRTFL when it comes to plot shit.

[frail bloom]

Idk that's all I remember abt it

That's why I'd say they're all branching timelines

A timeline where classic doomguy always works for the uac

Leading up to legacy of rust

[mystic barn]

Mono, what’s your personal take on the story of Legacy of Rust? I don’t mean how you think it fits into the timeline/lore

[frail bloom]

But since hell is a constant, all the demons are constant

So WHERE'S THE VASSAGO ID

WHERE ARE THEY

[frail bloom]

There's a story?

Unprecedented

[mystic barn]

Just one of those manual-type stories, nothing crazy

[warm ibex]

I wish I liked LoR enough to finish it 😔

[frail bloom]

Nonsense it's peak go finish it

[mystic barn]

Hahaha valid. I’m pretty good at Classic DOOM, but it was a definite punch in the gut to finish

[frail bloom]

In seriousness tho the last level is ridiculous

[warm ibex]

I thought it was kindof a slog lol

[frail bloom]

Tbf I play with saves so I have a good time with any wad

[warm ibex]

I think I got four/five missions in and then quit

[frail bloom]

I was entranced by it

I love the art and new enemies, especially the ost

Skeleton world enjoyer right here

[hard thistle]

I personally loved Legacy of Rust and I loved the idea of a deeper, primordial part of Hell that even the rest of Hell is scared by. The story text also goes hard:

Three hours—all it took to reduce New Eden to a sea of molten glass.
Three minutes—all it took before the UAC's top brass played their ace.
Three seconds—all it took for you to weigh the risks before accepting the job.
I personally wish it fit into the timeline nicely, and if it were my choice I think it could be a super fucking cool prequel to Doom 64.

[frail bloom]

I hope all the vassagos weren't totally obliterated by the nuke so we can have some more in the modern games

Oh ye spoilers doomguy nukes hell

[fading osprey]

classic doomguy

[slender night]

[laugh track plays]

[frail bloom]

Aw doomguy you silly goof

[slender night]

Oh you!

[fading osprey]

he nuked hell again! Ya little scamp!

[mystic barn]

Agreed. I think it’s a missed opportunity not to have a little hint to it in the modern titles. I suppose it’s sort of in that nebulous zone that Final DOOM is in too

[hard thistle]

I think I had my Doom 64 prequel idea for LoR somewhere...

If I had control over it all I'd make it a Doom 64 prequel and add a bit of backstory. UAC's remnants go back to Mars and use the old shit to build portals to New Eden, which has resources that could help rebuild humanity. But bullshit happens and Doomguy is up for the job. New Eden is a very, very old area of Hell from before Davoth "died," a sub-sect of demons whose leader is shrouded in mystery.

When Doomguy detonates the nukes in Hell, the radiation leaks through the portals, becoming the "apocalyptic levels of radiation" on Mars mentioned in Doom 64's manual. Doomguy and UAC abandon the base, not realizing that the radiation has masked the arrival of the leader of the New Eden area - the primordial and terrifying Mother Demon, who wants revenge.

This would go very hard IMO.

[slender night]

Don't worry, this franchise is shameless with retcons, it could happen :p

[frail bloom]

I'd kill to fight a banshee in modern doom

Idk what they would do but they're spooky

Doom has a shortage of spooky demons save Doom 3

[hard thistle]

Bring back Bruisers

[frail bloom]

Oh ye I drew a bruiser

[mystic barn]

Bring back motherfuckin Bruisers. TV face and everything too

[strong moth]

I think Dark Ages has killed two of my DualSenses. No issues before and now both have right stick drift… too much clicking?

[frail bloom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1439696167611928866/2025061615073177.jpg?ex=691b750a&is=691a238a&hm=ede35687c89d572521e216f12d549244cc4e5ca5a33a126c0738f519fe1e43fc&

[fading osprey]

Nice bruiser!

[hard thistle]

Also I forgot to mention this but I thought I recognized your name somewhere and realized you did the mix of Apotheosis I prefer to listen to. That is very cool. Apotheosis is one of the best songs in TDA and your mix was the best version to listen to, so props for that.

[fading osprey]

-# I’m a horrible artist

[hard thistle]

This is very good art, but I wish the TV were more prominent like in Doom 3. I really like the TV.

[frail bloom]

Well I was trying to make it more natural but I hear ya

[mystic barn]

Hey thanks dude! Much appreciated!

[frail bloom]

I drew other D3 enemies aswell

Mainly fodder

[violet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-kiss-blowing-a-kiss-suspense-christian-bale-gif-16931550113965916217

[elder raven]

personal headcanon that i have that probably makes sense (think ive said this before): there’s only one hell across the doom multiverse and every hell connects to it

[violet zealot]

𝚃𝚛𝚞

[hard thistle]

No yeah this is basically canon. One Hell, bunch of Earthly Realms.

[elder raven]

wait really lol

could explain the evolution of hell knights 👀

[hard thistle]

Yeah. Series has Earth timelines that contradict each other, therefore multiverse, but Hell stuff references all the games, so it connects to all of them.

[fleet spruce]

would be cool if we will get more weird & abstract kind of hell, although the cosmic realm does weird & abstract too

[frail bloom]

Closest we get is D3

Doom 2016, if you ignore the carmack era

[daring linden]

how do other realms fit into this explanation?

urdark, cosmic, etc

[hard thistle]

Same as Hell. Only the Earthly Realms are multiple. There is only one Urdak, one Hell, one Cosmic Realm.

[daring linden]

im not sure if im a fan of that

what makes earth special for there to be a multiverse of it?

personally i just believe the doomguy somehow traveled back in time after the classic games, ending up in old Argent Dnur and changing the course of time, explaining the differences

[obsidian shard]

@frail bloom the Mancubus Mayhem Trailer is coming along well

[frail bloom]

Awesome

[frail bloom]

Idk you could go either way really but you can't say that earth or multiple earths is inhabited by the same human beings as one is inhabited by the sentinels and one is inhabited by earth born humans

The earth in the modern games is inhabited by the sentinels who fleed argent d'nur during the war with hell, which would have no reason to happen in the classic timeline

Plus going back in time opens up new timelines which means there are new earths either way

TIME TRAVEL IS WONKY