the-dark-ages

[frail bloom]

I like how dark ages does it

Melee and ammo together just keeps the loop going

[wheat sigil]

infinite ammo

[heady trout]

No ammo

[frail bloom]

Ye both eternal and dark ages are like that

2016 has so much ammo given to you that even if it's not infinite it might as well be

Cuz you will never run out

[heady trout]

Yeah

Chainsaw just becomes the Super Heavy executor

[solid nacelle]

Kinda crazy that they used to let you kill barons with the chainsaw back in the day

Just one tap bye bye

[wheat sigil]

thrn we got the crucible, and now we got the dreadmace

[orchid rover]

Just wanted to drop in and say I called this getting changed/being a bad design choice. Nobody gets Doom like me...

[strong moth]

For a bit there it was 2 mancubi, then they dropped it to 1

[dark thunder]

do u think the cosmic realm used to be a normal place and stuff and then the cultists ruined it

[frail bloom]

It's prob been dying for a while

Like for thousands of years

[dark thunder]

so like

if humans and sentinels are the same do they both descend from the cosmic realm or were humans created by the father and argent dnur is another dimension

wraiths descend from the cosmic realm adn they gave life to the planet so thats why

[frail bloom]

We don't know where the sentinels descend from

Oh I just read

[dark thunder]

weren't they created by the wraiths since the spear and shit created life

is argent dnur even in another dimension

[frail bloom]

Ye the wraiths gave life I guess

But that doesn't mean the sentinels are of cosmic origin

This doesn't also take into account evolution

[dark thunder]

well their creators came from the cosmic realm

[frail bloom]

Like were they just simply humans when they sprung out?

Or were they smt else entirely

[dark thunder]

knowing how fantasy the argenta are who knows

[frail bloom]

Wut

[dark thunder]

they got dragons and shit on that planet the whole planet is endless fantasy so who knows how humans got there

[frail bloom]

Ye it's a mystery

[dark thunder]

more important questions lie

like who is the mysterious voice and how cooked are we

[solid beacon]

Yes.

[cerulean pagoda]

hi

[frail bloom]

It's hugo bruh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1429595709929164941/image-1.png?ex=68f6b641&is=68f564c1&hm=d1bc15679d78239dc10bf326fcfe9af2714492250cd53964bcd8b370be1b86ab&

[harsh egret]

its all hugo

[cerulean pagoda]

i will be saving this image

[heady trout]

Okay finished the game on Nightmare, honestly I was pretty tired near the final level so I used all my bfc and extra lives (3 total)

The pre final levels Atlan segment was honestly my least favorite part of the whole game period, so clunky and slow until I got the minigun

The enemy with the shield that damages you can do burn in hell

The Assrak fights were nice at least, highlight of the two last levels easily

Wasn't paying much attention to the arenas bc I am tired

Really fun game honestly, not as good as Eternal but stands on its own as a stellar Doom experience, definitely better than 2016 from what I believe

[frail bloom]

Hey that's awesome

I feel like you would have a better impression if you didn't play when you were so tired

[heady trout]

Kreed Makyr fight was funny

Just as funny as I expected it to be

[frail bloom]

For me 2016 is the best only based on nostalgia

Dark ages has my fav gameplay

[heady trout]

It's called mountain fever, near the end people get a desire to get it over with/reach the goal already

[frail bloom]

Ye I understand but it hampered your experience

It affected it

The question is, are you gonna play again

[heady trout]

Well not fully, I did enjoy the Assrak fights

[frail bloom]

Gonna try out ripatorium?

[heady trout]

Possibly, long game though

[heady trout]

Already did and will try out again, but probably will replay the game first before that, wanna get my second playthrough on Nightmare to see what's good, I'll probably try to do each level deathless as well cause why not

[frail bloom]

Well it's long with secrets but ignoring them and playing casually the game takes like 12-14 hrs

It's a matter of knowing what's worth it and what isn't

Like don't look for 3 pieces of gold on siege

[heady trout]

The Atlan segment was unenjoyable regardless of my energy level

[heady trout]

The arenas in the last level? I just wanted to kill Asscrack

Bfc gooo

[frail bloom]

I enjoyed the atlan segments as mindless pacebreakers but sometimes I just wanna move on

[faint jackal]

serrat is a good boy

[frail bloom]

And I'm playing on max sliders so they're gonna grill me later on💀

Imagine like 3 serfs and 2 armored titans

[heady trout]

The enemies with damaging shields are easily the worst designed enemies In this game

[frail bloom]

Holy moly imma have a bad time

[faint jackal]

that’s the whole point

[frail bloom]

Well they're not cursed prowlers so I'm ok with them

[heady trout]

But well it's modern Doom, you gotta have a worst enemy

2016 had the Pinkies, Eternal had insert tag 2 demons and this game has this

[frail bloom]

I feel like the atlan should've been able to glorykill

Who's with me

Like it makes sense

[heady trout]

Spectre Pinkies especially bc those fuckers could borderline instakill of you didn't know it was coming and they were PRESENT in the latter half of the game

[frail bloom]

It's all spectacle so add some more spectacle

I'm kinda bummed out they didn't have those for the atlan segments and the berserk powerup

If I had a complaint it would be this

Like for standard gameplay it works to not have them

But like the atlan segments and berserk would be enhanced with those synced kills

Cuz they're just for show

All spectacle

[faint jackal]

i enjoy setting damage to demons to 50% because i wanna take my time ripping them apart

[heady trout]

Peashooter mode 💔

[frail bloom]

But yeah kinda bummed out

[heady trout]

Atlan segments are easily the most disappointing part of the game

[faint jackal]

i hope we get to see doom slayer dual wield guns

[frail bloom]

They're cool for what they are but they're too "floaty" if y'know what I mean

Like floating ragdolls

[heady trout]

Yeah agreed

[frail bloom]

Floaty destruction

I was hoping it was more like a godzilla ps4 thing

[heady trout]

I'm letting the credits play to see if there's a post credit scene or something

[frail bloom]

There isn't

[heady trout]

Shame

[frail bloom]

Just so you know

[faint jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-flail-slam-gif-3602213455553818448

[heady trout]

I got the Nightmare skin yippe

[frail bloom]

But yeah in my very controversial opinion the atlan should've been in 3rd person

Like a godzilla game sorta thing

[heady trout]

I think it just should have had more variety

[frail bloom]

Yea some more comboes

Some glory kills

Imagine throwing buildings or titans

At other titans

[faint jackal]

suplex

[solid beacon]

Serrat was my pet dragon.

[heady trout]

Huh why do I have a Golden SSG skin when did I unlock this

[frail bloom]

If they were to try again, I'd like to see them expand on the mech stuff

[faint jackal]

he was the goodest of dragons

[frail bloom]

Like reaaaally make it heavy and epic

Satisfying to control

[heady trout]

Named "Conqueror"

[frail bloom]

They'll figure it out

[faint jackal]

the mastery challenge

[heady trout]

Ohh

[faint jackal]

congrats tho

[heady trout]

Reverent skin? Idk what that is, but it looks cool, prefer the Nightmare skin doe

[solid beacon]

My line is you killed my love ones in dark ages.

[frail bloom]

Ok

[solid beacon]

To ahzrack

[frail bloom]

Yes

[faint jackal]

honk

[solid beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-flail-slam-gif-3602213455553818448

[gleaming arrow]

my dad to me when i broke into his car without his permission

[heady trout]

started a new nightmare playthrough with some new slightly less forgiving sliders

died to the last arena leader in hebeth

ill try to beat the stages without dying once

get that true Slayer experience

[light summit]

anyone else feel a bit of latency when playing or is it just me? this doesnt happen in the other games

[frail bloom]

Nope

If you're using framgen that's prob it

If not then smt is wrong

[light summit]

Yeah I’m not using frame gen

I’ll check Adrenalin tomorrow to see if afmf is on

[remote canopy]

For some reason I can't even apply frame gen even with latest drivers and a rtx 4060

[solid beacon]

Ahzarck: NOT THE FACE!!!
Slayer: that's what you get for touch my mother!

Alyx vance is my mother

[obsidian epoch]

killing the prince on nightmare (map 21) was such a... nightmare!

I had to lower the difficulty, to be honest (also didnt have any sigils)

[obsidian epoch]

i dont, but after the last update i got some issue at times (which werent there before... idk)

[gusty seal]

@faint jackal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXBMigW9qw0

[fleet spruce]

The handheld preset update didn't lie , I'm getting mostly 45 fps at 1080p on my Ally X

and 720p is 60 fps

[gusty seal]

i had to buy a new power supply today too for my new graphics card, the guys like oh ur back for more my old one wasnt enough my pockets have demons now, gotta slay em

[faint jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-gif-2328358707181956514

[remote canopy]

Use the accelerator,even tho it may not seem strong on a normal sized enemy,you atleast don't have to worry about landing headshots with the Impaler, getting all the projectiles of the ssg and ravager and not worry about azhrak's mobility with the Chainshot.Also accelerator has the highest dps

[hearty edge]

godzilla where

[obsidian epoch]

what the hell...

[obsidian epoch]

Thx. I didnt know accellerator had the highest dps, crazy

[hearty edge]

yea it does

it's probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite weapon

[remote canopy]

Also a tip,stay close to him so that you can hit most of your projectiles but not too close to where he does he unavoidable melee attack

[gusty seal]

I was told to show no mercy

[remote canopy]

How do you even do it at 150%,125% is fine but 150% is too much ong

[wheat sigil]

i think you get used to it

[gusty seal]

300 hours of dark age gameplay.... idk not much but its still new

[remote canopy]

I assume accelerator and other spray and pray weapons would be bad at 150%

[wheat sigil]

why would they be bad at 150 if they aren't at 100?

[remote canopy]

It would probably be harder to focus down a beam of projectiles imo

[gusty seal]

cycler is good in arena, i use it. depends, and yeah lol. but the speed may affect how one draws a weapon, and then shoots, but you get use to it, you gotta use lock on, lock on with shield, let go, and shoot ! 😄

[wheat sigil]

yea but enemies are generally very slow or large, or both

[remote canopy]

Ive only tried 150% on the first level and i noticed that the shotgun was better than shredder in that level

[gusty seal]

only weapons for azrak i didnt like were rocket class (a powered rocket was ok, but you damage yourself if you get too close at times), pulverizer class, chain shot, Shotgun class(but thats me).

for ahzrak cycler and implarer were good for me, and the turrent is good for single targets, but it looses power at a distance, or thats what i noticed

in general for normal play against more enemies, i use SS, rocket launcher, impaler, ravager , and cycler are my main weapons. Shield bash/charge of course, try to get high ground and take cover when needed, use line of sight. i prefer the ground fissure for shield, heaven stun or whatever doesn't do enough damage when you have more enemies, just holds them in place

ill use chainshot just to show off sometimes, or on armored variannts such as hell knights but even then ss or rocket from a distance does the same thing. it depends on you, where your at, and your play style

you parry, mace, and accelerate azzhats head and his moral/health drops, he also looks really good after getting a lobotomy 😄

[gusty seal]

i didnt show in the video, but whole first round was Impaler only, second round was cycler only, and last round well the last half of it you saw 😄

i apologize if i was confusing, i do have dyslexia, my brain was literally switching the weapons within their classes up in my head. like writing a b as a d. though i have not done that since 1st grade. And now I am a fully grown slayer with only minor grammar/language mishaps. When i write slow and take my time it doesnt happen. so once again sorry :]

[obsidian epoch]

I have finally finished the game! 99% completeness (missed last double kill challenge and last toy at spire that i didnt bother to redo the level to get it)

difficulty was inbetween ultra-violence and nightmare... but i think lowering damage taken from 250 to maybe 150% would have made me enjjoy the game more

Also, getting damage while in the middle of meele combo... idk how good it works really. I basically stopped using meele long combos after awhile

cant even parry if i meele combo too much, like maybe 2x and then i must stop and prepare to parry

Finally, I hated Arachnotrons with all my heart 🥲 nggas kept drilling me full of holes and I always had to prioritize killing them 😑

not to mention the ARMORED Arachnotrons...

[random sand]

you need to time it. can't melee while the enemy is fully ready to attack you

[random sand]

you have a shield. it blocks the arachnotron's shots pretty well

[obsidian epoch]

Yeah... except they usually appear while i am already dealing with other big demons 😅

[random sand]

block its shots, dash over it, use one ssg shot to put the fucker down, go back to your big demon

[obsidian epoch]

also shield doesnt cover the back. Many times i was getting shot by all sides : \

[random sand]

enable the visual cue for parryable and unparryable projectiles. been many times i've had a parryable shot come from behind, i see it and flick behind me

[obsidian epoch]

in the end, dash was how i dealt with them so yep. Armored didnt go down easily tho

[obsidian epoch]

🤯 damm that would have helped me alot 😭

[random sand]

one ssg shot heats up their armor

[random sand]

well now you know :)

[obsidian epoch]

Okay i checked: sadly no multiplayer of any kind (pve maybe was interesting)

[random sand]

no tda doesn't have any multiplayer. i'd call that a good thing tho. not only did that let them flesh out the campaign, doom's multiplayer generally sucks ass in the recent games so it's a valid sacrifice

[wheat sigil]

it gets destroyed quite fast tho

but yea it's usually enough for you to be able to just shield bash in and ssg

[obsidian epoch]

I would agree.... even tho the idea of playing vs demons with another co-op player would be so 🤤 😍

[random sand]

by heavy attacks yeah. not by the arachnotron's machinegun

[random sand]

would kinda defeat the point of doom with it being one man against an army. there are other games that give you that tho

[obsidian epoch]

about DdA story (spoilers)

[random sand]

no one's stopping you (maybe cover up crazy spoilers tho)

[obsidian epoch]

||one thing... our pet dragon was eventually healed or resurrected... right? RIGHT? 😵 🫣||

also, i really dont understand what reasons could have made

||the bishop Kreed to help hell forces.. w the heck||

[random sand]

||...no 😭 ||

[obsidian epoch]

||the betrayal i mean||

i didnt get it

[random sand]

||same reason Valen tried to ressurect his son in exchange for the sentinel army and his son turning into the Icon of Sin. Hell is very persuasive||

[obsidian epoch]

||I just read that Kreed was actually acting on Ministry orders to take the Slayer off (!!!). So it was a conspiracy||

||The only reason I could see for Maykrs to want the Slayer gone... is that they are somewhat not that good of a race||

||maybe the Maykrs have always wanted and planned to eventually overcome and conquest the Sentinels||

but the game... doesnt really show it explicitly

[obsidian epoch]

this above has spoilers from Doom Eternal btw (i guess), so if u guys havent played it dont read that

[random sand]

doom eternal came out 5 years ago. it's the tda spoilers that mean something

[wheat sigil]

if you don't want spoilers for tda many months after its release, i don't think you'd be in the tda channel in the first place lol

[unkempt dragon]

lol what's with all the grey spoiler blocks💀

[wheat sigil]

idk lol

[unkempt dragon]

off to bed. Hi and bye, guys

[random sand]

storyspoilers for tda and eternal. not sure what zone they lay in

[unkempt dragon]

I don't think there are any at this point really

[random sand]

then they lay in the "no one gives a fuck" zone

[unkempt dragon]

lol

Just say what you feel like. If it spoils it for someone else in here, that's on them. Games have been out for a bit.

[random sand]

lmao. fair

[obsidian epoch]

I actually thought I had played Eternal... but nope, after starting TdA I realized the last doom game i played was actully... Doom, 2016 Doom

[random sand]

how do you mix up the doom games you've played

[obsidian epoch]

I am not even sure lmao

[vagrant path]

Anyone else having this weird bug in completed campaigns where the game seems to treat it as the ripatorium instead of normal campaign?

it straight up makes the game unplayable cause I can't finish off leader demons

anyone able to help?

[obsidian epoch]

Please explain it better. the gane? gane is ripatorium? wat

[vagrant path]

I mean that I try opening to normal menu to check the map or my codex

and it instead shows the ripatorium stuff only

anyone?

[obsidian epoch]

if you click on "Campaign", in the main menu... what happens?

[vagrant path]

I can load into the missions

but the game straight up treats it like the ripatorium

it even gives me the jukebox select

[obsidian epoch]

jukebox select on all the 22 campaign missions?

[vagrant path]

yes

[obsidian epoch]

I finished the game but i dont see any jukebox option on the campaign missions idk

Well maybe it's a bug....

[vagrant path]

hell yeah it's a bug, it makes leader demons unkillable

[obsidian epoch]

No Map or Challenges in campaign mode, just that stupid Jukebox
Bug/Glitch

The Jukebox is 100% stuck in the menu even in campaign mode, I can't see the map, I can't see my weapon challenges or my level objectives. Anyone know a fix? I've done a full reinstall of the game.

[vagrant path]

yes that is what's happening

I'm also NOT uninstalling reinstalling because that would take literal hours of my day

[obsidian epoch]

it's probably a problem of your save. I dont think reinstalling will fix (but who knows)

Maybe try yo backup your folder saves and settings.... then delete it all, and restart the game with all default blank settings. Start a new save, like slot 3, new campaign new missions and see if it's solved. If it's solved, restore your old save (but only that, not the settings) and then load it instead of the new blank

If new slot works, but your old save dont... then idk, it could be corrupted or have same strange setting set up

you could also try a new slot now

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[undone girder]

Fellas!!!!!!

I literally just found out a way to fix that bug

Start a new save (keep the old one), clear a chapter on new save, then close and restart the game and go back to your old save

It has like a big issue with tracking stuff in general I've noticed. Popups will reappear after unpausing till they're completely vanished off the screen, plus there was that resetting level progress error too

Hopefully this temp fix can help others ^^

[undone girder]

A theory I have is that it's something to do with what mode I play first, bc the day the glitch happened to me I picked Ripatorium first

After rebooting I did save 2 first, then to save 1, and that repaired it

Still missing Pulverizer codex lol

[obsidian epoch]

How do I start an arena? O_O

nevermind... i had to select and add demons manually or it doesnt start -_-'

[obsidian epoch]

To everyone: Am I the only one that finished the game without figuring out that Shield Runes only work for ranged parries? 🥴

[remote canopy]

If you're windows you can try to repair it

[vagrant path]

I'm on xbox series x

[remote canopy]

Hmmm

[thorny dock]

hi, where do i send message about technical problems?

[kindred herald]

i think #tech-talk

[thorny dock]

when the game plays cutscene, anything out of focus is very fuzzy, lots of noise, does anyone have the same problem? It didnt happen before.

only with path tracing on

[half spindle]

When will they patch the damned rippatorium bug?

[tidal compass]

Just finished the campaign yay. T'was a lot of fun. Anyways, what are ya'lls fav enemy design? Appearance-wise

[obsidian epoch]

atlas demons. Shadow demons also cool

[hearty edge]

cyberdemon

honestly all super heavies

[obsidian epoch]

Congratz on finishing it! I also completed the game today 🙂 ✌️

Now I am trying arena xD

[hearty edge]

ripartorium's great

@frail bloom has some fun presets

[tidal compass]

Ay congrats to you too!

[obsidian epoch]

i tried rocket launcher... and up close, the cannibalism doesnt work that well. Anyone disagree? In arena

first shotgun also sucks lol

but, but, shield + impaler is a frakking powerhouse!!!!

[tidal compass]

Nicee. Wish they'd release a collectible Baron irl. My fav design

[obsidian epoch]

Baron was original and cool

[hearty edge]

yea the baron's cool

[tidal compass]

Hmm are u using the upgrade with more splash dmg for more heals? Also I'm partial towards the first shotty just cuz I like the burn and extra armor lol

[obsidian epoch]

I am. Problem is that he damage i take from demons while rocket launching is way more than what i get healed back (arena). I will try 1vs1, against the giant demon

[tidal compass]

Oh I see. Gotta test that, good luck tho

[obsidian epoch]

Thx. Well i tested it, and result was that damage taken is way more... so I cant really keep rocketing not caring about incoming damage. Maybe RL Cannibalism is good if used to regain health quickly, if properly used

[mossy rock]

I wish they would put doom the dark ages on game pass premium

[tidal compass]

Oh yea for sure. Gonna wanna keep parrying to keep up the cannibalism anyways. Tho I can understand the urge to keep rocketing..it's addicting xd

Speaking of parries, was totally NOT expecting the game to turn into a Dark Souls lite haha. Loved the final battle(s)

[obsidian epoch]

Indeed addicting 😆 and u're right... now that u mention, it's like it went a little dark souls

Doom tda, the Dark Souls of FPS 🤔

u made a totally mind blowing observation 😵

[meager vortex]

doom slayer have a grandma game name boomer grandma

grandma have a super shot gun and she rip and tear demons in the hell

now demons hunted by grandma lol

[obsidian epoch]

are you the developer making that game?

[meager vortex]

no indie game

but its funny game

super shotgun from doom grandma using it

[tidal compass]

I'd say so, yeah. And the best part is the parries actually serve other functions apart from just negating dmg

[meager vortex]

boomer grandma

[tidal compass]

Bruh ain't no way. How did u find this

[meager vortex]

steam

grandma can wear armor piece for praetor suit

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/vincent-vega-jules-winnfield-john-travolta-samuel-l-jackson-quentin-tarantino-gif-9489009769396273159

[undone girder]

This is for the jukebox glitch. forgot to mention

[solid beacon]

I've collect bell's 50k on animal crossing 2001

[dark thunder]

hol up is the cosmic realm "the void"

[solid beacon]

Yes

[dark thunder]

then doesnt that confirm that the mysterious voice is from there or something

[solid beacon]

Chulut on other hand

[obsidian shard]

yes and no, The cosmic realm is Not THE Void we see in the Ingmore's Sanctum (where Davoth is reportedly from) however the Cosmic Realm is also known as The void based upon how Ulsamir (also Known as The Witch by the Denizens of Hell) describes it

[dark thunder]

oh yeah "the stars bleed and the void calls"

creepy, almost like the cosmic realm is dying that whole universe is dead

[obsidian shard]

The Cosmic realm does appear to be a dying realm as the Witch also directly states it
"The time of ascension is now. No longer shall we be shackled to a dying cosmos."

[dark thunder]

so much potential with the lore

[solid beacon]

😏

[obsidian shard]

the DOOM The Dark Ages Shadowbox should be here today
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1429886157176569866/GRID-1_d67ecdef-843b-4521-9c50-2587f0e6d097_1.png?ex=68f7c4c1&is=68f67341&hm=450cb4ad3288e1f6e045a5e3d690d256f637ab3fd50c677a7ccc468773815d43&

i do have to pay 35.35$ for "Duties and taxes" however

Also for those wondering why we don't have different skin models for the slayer, its primarily due to this:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1429887218851381319/G3QuYDdWsAAZaNq.jpg?ex=68f7c5be&is=68f6743e&hm=482995bf9398a4258b1c5261eb94b0d9017b341e1139c9609caa23097cbc8951&

[warm ibex]

Dude that worked, thank you!

I'll let people know about it until it's fixed officially. You're a hero

[covert goblet]

So, correct if I'm wrong, but I don't think it was ever said the kreed maykr got anything in return for helping Azhrak.

So, he essentially betrayed Argent D'nur and put himself on the slayer's hit list for nothing.

[green estuary]

Well, he got to live slightly longer

[frail bloom]

He got orders from the Khan

[covert goblet]

Yet his betrayal of the sentinels is what eventually led them to find out the truth about the maykrs.

Plus, "living slightly longer" isn't much when you become number 1 on the slayer's hit list.

[frail bloom]

So it was either die now or potentially die later

Plus I wouldn't really say his betrayal led to the sentinels finding abt the khan's betrayal

It raised eyebrows but they were gonna go to hell either way

[uncut needle]

having fun 100% my playthrough using the map : D

spire of nerathul

[frail bloom]

And discover nekravol

[green estuary]

He was always gonna die regardless

[covert goblet]

Well, maybe not directly.

But the ending had novik saying they would investigate the church due to his betrayal, which will eventually lead them to finding about about urdak's pact with hell.

[frail bloom]

Ye but again

Whether they investigate the church or not doesn't directly tie with them exploring hell

Unless they were tipped off that there was a factory in hell

Like we never had Kreed before dark ages

@hard thistle do you remember why the sentinels went to hell, and how they discovered the factory of nekravol. Were they looking for it?

[covert goblet]

Well, Azhrak's fortress seems like it has a soul spire. (The hell energy shooting upwards into a sigal)

So, maybe they went to look for others and found nekrovol.

[frail bloom]

Ye unsure at this point

Either way Kreed was put in a bad situation

[covert goblet]

Honesty, he put himself into a bad situation.

He put the tether on the slayer, and let Azhrak influence him into betraying the sentinels.

[frail bloom]

It was ahzrak and the khan

[hard thistle]

The Codex implies that the Slayer and the Night Sentinels were on a mission to find the Order of the Six (High Council) "deep within the boiling seas of the nether realm," and they happened upon Nekravol essentially by chance.

[frail bloom]

Ok this is good thank you

Ye see they happened to find it

[covert goblet]

No.
Khan met with the Dark lord.

[half marlin]

tda dlc leak real!??!?!?!?!

[frail bloom]

Kreed says he was following orders, which means from the maykers higher from him, which were the khan

It's the khan

[hard thistle]

Okay, so I want to point out something.

[covert goblet]

No, the kreed was to ensure sentinel energy to the maykr homeworld, not argent.

[hard thistle]

It is not confirmed the Khan had started her pact during the events of TDA. The Kreed Maykr's dialogue during his bossfight is vague and you can argue his comments on "following orders" could be referring to imprisoning the Slayer, rather than working with Ahzrak. It is not clear.

We know for a fact, at the very least, that there is no pact during TDA, at least not until Ahzrak approached Kreed when he's possessing the Maykr Drone. The Kreed rejects Ahzrak's offer and kills the Drone, only to approach him later after considering the offer more heavily.

[frail bloom]

Ok ok

[hard thistle]

Argent Energy does not exist yet during TDA. It's just not a thing. Nekravol, Argent, all that hasn't happened yet.

[frail bloom]

Why does the kreed consider the offer then

[frail bloom]

Ye that actually makes sense

Boi I hope we see that in dlc

If it's possible

[hard thistle]

The Kreed Maykr is a coward stuck in a very difficult position. He's terrified of being killed in this war against Hell, and he's been essentially abandoned by the Maykrs to shepherd the Argenta, whom he looks down upon and barely considers worth keeping safe.
IMO his helping Ahzrak is almost entirely out of self-preservation; a mistaken belief that if he's useful enough to Ahzrak, he will be spared when the demons win.

[frail bloom]

Wait why would the maykers abandon him wdym

Like why does he feel abandoned

[hard thistle]

In my opinion, I do not believe the Kreed was acting on the Khan's orders during TDA. I think the Maykrs are telling the truth at the end when they say the Kreed's actions were unsanctioned. Rather than the Khan manipulating things, IMO it makes more sense if the Kreed's actions were a stepping stone to the Urdak/Hell pact - his communications with Ahzrak lay the groundwork for the Khan to eventually approach the Dark Lord.

[frail bloom]

This is all interesting

[half marlin]

did Khan know Dark Lord is Davoth btw??

[hard thistle]

The Kreed has been ordered to stay in the skies of Argent D'Nur to oversee the transportation of Sentinel Energy from the planet to Urdak, and to serve as the Slayer's handler. Thira claims that if the Kreed were to willingly abandon his post, he would be executed by the Khan Maykr.

The Maykrs look down on everyone who isn't them. From the Kreed's POV, it's like if you were in a family of farmers, and you've been forced to live in the chicken coop with all the gross farm animals, while all your family is resting happy in their house.
(And there's also coyotes at the door, and the chickens are hiding behind you.)

[frail bloom]

I getchu

[warm ibex]

I was about to mention that quote, yeah. Plays as you walk towards the first battlefield in Siege

He's alone and doesn't really have a choice

[hard thistle]

We don't even know if the Dark Lord that the Khan made the pact with was Davoth. I personally don't think so. I think it's more likely she communicated with the Dark Lord of the First Age (whoever managed to take that role where Ahzrak failed).

But no, I personally do not think she knew about that stuff. The Khan isn't as smart as she thinks. I think a part of the story here is that the Maykrs, other than Samur, have forgotten a lot of their origins by the time the modern games happened, or have stopped caring, because they are just that arrogant. Plus they are aimless and have been abandoned by the Father by the time TDA happens.

[half marlin]

hmm
wait, was Davoth already betrayed by Maykrs in tda? If so, where was he
and when did he become the Dark Lord

[frail bloom]

Ye prob

Cuz there's demons

[undone girder]

So what's the thing with the Heart of Argent? Sam says in Eternal that Argent Energy became a thing when Sentinel and Hell energies were combined together and refined - retcon or is the Heart an unrelated item?

[hard thistle]

1. Yes. TDA happens long after Davoth was betrayed by the Maykrs.
2. Davoth became the Dark Lord after he was sealed away within Jekkad by the Father.

[hard thistle]

Okay, so this is kind of a complex thing and it actually was even before TDA, so bear with me.

[half marlin]

oooh ok thanks

[hard thistle]

Argent Energy is not actually a specific substance. It is a colloquial term that essentially refers to Sentinel Energy that has been tampered with, purified, or combined with another substance in any way.
The series doesn't say this. I say this, because that is the only way to explain the Argent Energy complications.

Nekravol Argent Energy is not the same thing as the Argent Energy in 2016. They are two different substances.

2016's Argent Energy is Wraith Energy (Argent plasma, as the UAC called it), siphoned from Hell and purified with UAC tech.
Nekravol Argent Energy is Wraith Energy, combined with Hell's Essence (souls).

That is one example of the difference there. Meaning, for example, the 2016 Argent does not have human souls in it.

Now, in regards to the Heart - the Heart of Argent, the term "Argent" there isn't for "Argent Energy," but for "Argent D'Nur." You can take it to mean "the Heart of the Sentinels."

The Heart of Argent itself isn't necessarily related to Argent Energy, but to Wraith Energy, because it contains the soul of a dead Wraith inside it. Since Wraiths emit Wraith Energy, you can consider the Heart of Argent to be a permanent Wraith Energy conduit, similarly to how the 2016 Crucible was used as a conduit for Argent-synthesis by Samuel Hayden.

[upbeat junco]

Hey id hire this person as your writer 🥰

[frail bloom]

💯

[hard thistle]

So the answer is technically both. The nature of Argent Energy was retconned to include multiple types of substances, but the Heart of Argent itself isn't really related to the concept of Argent Energy as a whole.

Sorry for the long-winded answer. That is the TLDR.

[undone girder]

Oh that's fascinating, I subscribe to this take lol

Thank you m0no!

[hard thistle]

No problem. Had to consult with the guide to refresh myself.

[frail bloom]

We should petition

[hard thistle]

It's pretty close to being fully updated but my ADHD has taken me in a different direction and I've been stuck marathoning the Kirby series for the past month. So the guide will have to wait.

[undone girder]

Kirb and Doom lores are hella fun ngl

[upbeat junco]

Truthnuke

[hard thistle]

Kirby is a great series and one of my favorites from Nintendo. I'm not as knowledgeable on it as Doom, but I made a project where, like - the modern games have pause screen lore for bosses, right? I went back and made authentic mockups for if all the other games had them.

Took a long time, lots of graphic design shit and writing. It was fun though. I had to get help from a Kirby lore nerd who seems to be basically like how I am with Doom.

And, hey, just like Doom, Kirby gets misrepresented by powerscalers spreading misinformation online! And its community is rife with misinfo because of that and mistranslations. How fun.

[undone girder]

The Painful Truth™

[hard thistle]

Especially the Void and Dark Matter stuff. Practically everything fans say about them is wrong because of shitty English localizations.

Dark Matter is one of my favorite Nintendo villains right next to the funny crocodile man and I spent years being a fan of basically a fanfic character instead of the actual character from the series.

[undone girder]

Official Kirby: Void is very emotionally impressionable and can be led to good and evil

That American Guy: lol void is satan actually

[undone girder]

K. Rool.........

His comeback was legendary <3

[hard thistle]

Well fans also are all under the impression that Kirby and Dark Matter are both incarnations of Void. And since the novelty of a cute Nintendo protag being a reincarnation of God is funny they accept it.

But that is apparently just. Like. Not true at all. The JP version does not have a lot of the text that makes people think that.

[undone girder]

Yea it's a fun theory but I think it wasn't really the case to begin with lol

His final death animation showed Kirby's face probably bc his positivity is now his main influence as opposed to evil

[hard thistle]

Kirby's face on Void is because Void is being influenced by Kirby, yeah, not because Kirby is a Void creature. The JP version is more explicit about that.

Same with Dark Matter. Void is probably related to Dark Matter in some way but it is not as concrete as people believe, and it is implied Void's Dark Matter qualities are less because it is innately like that and more because Hyness's cult worships the energy Dark Matter's race is made from, and used that energy to manifest Void Termina.

[undone girder]

There is also the theory that Void is especially associated with Zero since there have been plenty of references to him

I think they're separate but associated at minimum

[hard thistle]

IMO it is less than Void and Zero are related and more like the thing that created them are related. To me Zero is just a manifestation of negative energy. Negative energy is compressed and combined, it reaches a singularity and Zero is the result. Dark Matter causes a lot of fear and hate, so its Clan is a perfect breeding ground for the energy that manifests a being like Zero.

Void is an innocent soul influenced by the energy around it. So I think the Zero-like stuff is less because Zero is related to it and more to show that Void has the potential to become something like it.

[undone girder]

That definitely sounds legit tbh

[hard thistle]

IMO this explains the other stuff. Fans come up with shit like "Zero Three" being inside the Master Crown and that's why Magolor Soul has the red eye in his mouth like Zero, but I don't think it has anything to do with Zero itself. It's simply that there is a fuckton of evil, negative energy inside the Crown so it manifests similarly to Zero when he wears it.

[undone girder]

Yea lmao I remember those days XD

Master Crown was never gonna be Zero-Three imo lol. Then again my kid self also correctly predicted Magolor was the villain too lol

[hard thistle]

I think in Kirby it is as simple as "when negative energy manifests, it is represented by a hateful, red eye." So that motif always shows up whenever negative energy is especially prevalent. It isn't about Zero itself. More like Zero comes from the same thing the Master Crown's energy comes from, etc...

Kirby's universe is one that has simple concepts like wonder, whimsy, kindness, and dreaming as building blocks of its world. So I think something like "wow this thing is ESPECIALLY hateful" is something serious enough in Kirby that it has a consistent physical design motif to denote that.

[undone girder]

Eyes are a recurring theme across many antags, even not DM related

Necrodeus especially helps

Because he's most definitely not a DM, just a death lord man. He's bound to be full of negativity

[obsidian shard]

Also Serrat's wings would be Wraithfire, since that's the only Energy that's red like Argent

[hard thistle]

I really do not like Necrodeus. He feels like he came from the same factory that made Nightmare but the factory was manned by amateurs.

[undone girder]

I thought he was aight lol

Definitely not one of the more memorable though

[solid beacon]

🎵 Frying in my dragon right after the beer hey that powler is shape like chulutu dui about you die im going full speed in hour little do you know i filled up with dead corpes🎵

[hard thistle]

I guess I am biased. I don't really like Mass Attack in general.

[undone girder]

I liked it :c rip

[hard thistle]

Lol sorry. My brother's a big fan of it too.

I'm kind of iffy on most of the spinoffs. I'm more into the mainline games.
I haven't played Forgotten Land yet though.

[obsidian epoch]

Alot to read... but it seems u guys ended up agreeing Kreed was acting on his own in the end... which i dont know to believe. If anything, Tda ending scene, where the Slayer is seen launching to Makyr world, seems to suggest he is going to... well, fight them, because what else the Slayer does : P

[undone girder]

He took over Kreed's ship and used it to go to Hell and shoot stuff

Basically he now commands himself to deploy lol

[hard thistle]

The Slayer is in Hell, not Urdak - he's using the Kreed's ship as a way to get around Hell.

[obsidian shard]

Kreed also sent His Assistant to inform the Ministry of Ahzrak, so very much Kreed was acting on his own.

Also the Slayers in Hell

[solid beacon]

Kreed is the boomer from left 4 dead.

[obsidian epoch]

oh, my bad, the Makyr was the ship he stole and using xD

[obsidian epoch]

But areny the Makyr a hive-mind species?!?! How likely is for one of them to do this kind of betrayal of their inner command-line

it's like an ant betraying his hive

it.. just doesn't happen

[undone girder]

The Khan herself is pretty self serving lol

On top of Samur being Samur

[obsidian shard]

and it appears the Maykr angels are pretty independent

[hard thistle]

The term "hive-mind" can mean many things. IMO, it simply means the Maykr Drones are incapable of defying the orders of the Khan Maykr. I think the Kreed was capable of acting in his own interest, as are Angels.

[obsidian shard]

I believe its also for when they die they join the hive mind! But also Maykr Drones being a hive mind makes the most sense and how they are incapable of defying the orders of the Khan Maykr.

[undone girder]

I was gonna say something like that yea. Like if a Maykr is high enough on the hierarchy then they'd probably have be able to have free will

Therefore Samur was able to do his big plan with making the Slayer

And Khan of course dragged her own world into starvation

Then Kreed who's just out for himself lol

[solid beacon]

Kreed best friend is samur actually

[hard thistle]

The Seraphs are definitely not part of any hivemind. They are not even in the same class as the Khan.

They don't seem to even report to her at all. They're the Father's servants, not the Khan's.

[solid beacon]

Ding ding ding

[undone girder]

Yup. Samur was always loyal to the Father

Hence Sam being totally chill with taking out the Khan

[solar sedge]

Has anyone here managed to run the game on Linux (Debian specifically) with an AMD GPU?

[green estuary]

not sure
but if said gpu doesn't support RT then it won't run regardless

[solar sedge]

I have an RX 6600, which runs the game on Windows just fine. But on Linux, whenever I try to launch the game, it shows a black screen for a minute or two and then crashes saying the system is out of memory, which is stupid since I got enough ram to run the game.

[grim cloud]

totally chill with deleting his brain in vega processing too. sam is a chill dude

[undone girder]

Big points for Doomguy too for saving him <3

I always loved that

[green estuary]

One more example of doom eternal lore being ass

[frail bloom]

Well personal headcanon we just think that he didn't know he was the seraphim till he was plugged in to the fortress of doom

But the game doesn't really outright establish that

So all we have is a guy that contradicts himself constantly

But it would make sense for him to just not know

[solid beacon]

My parsonal favorite music is hide away and been to hell.

[hazy chasm]

Personally, I think the only reason why Samur wanted the Father truly back was because his android body was destroyed, and his only other option was his Maykr body that was going through transfiguration, so to not remain a consciousness without a body on the Slayer's ship, and to avoid dying in his original body, he had to have the Father return to full power.

[solid beacon]

🙂‍↕️

[hard thistle]

To be fair this was the only way to get the Slayer into Hell to shut down the Well.

[hazy chasm]

It also fits really well with the big irony of his subrace (the Seraphs) in that they are made to serve anyone coming to the Luminarium with a life sphere, as to avoid them desiring power.

[hard thistle]

There is a fine and sensible reason as to why Samuel would have been okay with VEGA dying. Hugo Martin gave an answer to that question and it was not the fine and sensible one. It was a dumb one.

[hazy chasm]

I think the only strange thing (unless Sam legit doesn't give a shit about the Father) is that the Slayer was capable of copying(?) VEGA so easily. If Sam really wanted VEGA to survive, why not just ask the Slayer to make a backup beforehand?

[solid beacon]

I figured vega would.

[uneven dragon]

bad writing

[hazy chasm]

Would have been out of character for VEGA (at that point in time), as he was "just" an AI. If he suddenly asked the Slayer to make a backup, it'd have seem odd.

Keep in mind that during this time, I don't think anyone had considered VEGA being more than an AI.

[gilded lake]

wait wait i wanna hear it just so i know (with source if possible)

[hard thistle]

Something to consider is that VEGA is not actually the Father, not in a literal, complete sense. VEGA is the Father's consciousness. His essence remains safe and untouched in Ingmore's Sanctum during the events of 2016.

There is nothing to suggest VEGA's death would have meant the Father's death. VEGA is only one part of the Father, and we can see that even when he is connected to Urdak during Eternal he lacks much of his essence.

[uneven dragon]

I don't think anyone had considered VEGA being more than an AI.
well now that's not true

[grim cloud]

the real reason why sam didn't care about vega was because he was just a cyborg at the time story wise. nothing to do with being a maykr, not conceived yet

so basically a retcon

[uneven dragon]

Doom 2016 laid down the seeds for VEGA being arcane of some description, that's pretty much the only time they planned ahead between 2016 and Eternal lol

[hazy chasm]

Huh. I had always assumed that you'd need "parts" of the Father to fully recreate him, so if his VEGA side "died", he couldn't be fully resurrected. TIL.

[hard thistle]

Tying into the above message: The reason being, there is reason to believe that the Father still could have been resurrected whether VEGA died in 2016 or not. The history the Father went through is catalogued in Urdak, the Life Sphere looks intact as well.
VEGA is likely, effectively, a copy of the Father's consciousness. Not the source. Like if the Life Sphere were a hard drive, VEGA is the consciousness copied onto a flash drive.

[grim cloud]

i see no forshadwing in 2016. unless they added it later

[gilded lake]

i meant the hugo sez one zorry 😔

[uneven dragon]

do you mean for VEGA being arcane

[solid beacon]

Add later.

[hard thistle]

Hugo, when pressed on this question, stammered and gave a flimsy answer: "Uh, because Samuel thinks he's in charge now so he does whatever he wants and he doesn't care if VEGA dies in 2016."
Which is horseshit. 1) If Samuel remembers his identity as the Seraphim in 2016... the Seraphim was wholly devoted to the Father and horrified when his Life Sphere was crushed. He was the Father's ward, he is fervently loyal to him.
2) if Samuel doesn't remember his identity as the Seraphim in 2016... then the question is moot because he has none of the context of VEGA's relationship to the Father that would complicate the scenario further.

[uneven dragon]

DOOM 2016 Codex:

While details regarding the development of VEGA are a closely guarded secret, it is rumored that VEGA's core is powered by a piece of arcane technology found near the Argent Fracture.

Makyr markings on VEGA:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/936234382073659413/1377021010787958906/IMG_3533.jpg?ex=68f7ed40&is=68f69bc0&hm=495adafef3f4dd47f0008b9cca117a5a316dfd1462a1f59fc4e3a823e744f72b&

[hazy chasm]

To some extent. There's very little to indicate that VEGA is more than a simple AI besides Samuel being the only one capable of creating such a power AI (and even then, I'd have considered that more of a hint towards Samuel being more than just "some smart human), but I could be wrong. At least, I don't remember feeling VEGA was much more than an AI slowly gaining sentience when playing through Doom 2016 my first few times.

[gilded lake]

oh
thank you for this information

[uneven dragon]

VEGA being the Father in specific wasn't entirely planned but VEGA being more than an AI and being arcane had the groundwork actually laid in 2016 unlike most other Eternal plot developments

[solid beacon]

Precisely.

[grim cloud]

yes, that and sam being divine

[uneven dragon]

Sam being Divine was entirely unplanned and had nothing foreshadowing it in 2016 yeah
VEGA being Arcane actually was somewhat set up and planned by the time of 2016 tho based on the Codex and the markings on his core

[hazy chasm]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible that the reason why Samuel was horrified by the destruction of the Father's Life Sphere was because it was his only ticket out of transfiguration? Perhaps he was just horrified at his (now) inevitable fate?

[green estuary]

samuel is indeed a selfish mf

[grim cloud]

still pretty vague imo

[hard thistle]

This is definitely possible, but Samur spends much of TAG1 hyping up the Father and claiming that not only will he save Samur, but that he is the only one capable of stopping the demons permanently.

[hazy chasm]

At least that's what I got out of it when playing through the first DLC. He kept talking about how the Father "could save him."

[hard thistle]

Maykrs are inherently selfish, so there's no doubt part of Samur's motivations in TAG1 are simple self-preservation. But he still loved the Father. The Father is just about the only thing that Samuel/Samur cares about as much as himself.

[uneven dragon]

🤷‍♀️ sure but it does at least mean being more than an AI was planned

[grim cloud]

the marking on the spidermastermind strongly suggest it was a uac warmachine, not some mutated demon/olivia demon

[hazy chasm]

That's true. Although I do have a feeling that he said those things mostly to keep the Slayer interested. If he had just said that he needed the Father to save himself and Urdak, the Slayer would likely not have given much of a shit.

[uneven dragon]

not sure if this is comparable but also we know the uac technology was being used by the demons anyway so this is kinda moot

also VEGA was outright called arcane by the codex lol

[grim cloud]

true, but why would hell put uac marking on their own creations? are they trying to be ethical?

[uneven dragon]

:P

[grim cloud]

Hellish Ethics 101: Always cite your sources

just sasying i dont think we can use markings in 2016 as factual 100%

[uneven dragon]

true but the markings on VEGA are unique to VEGA :P

[hazy chasm]

One thing I do wonder quite a bit about; Did Hell never fully transform Argent D'nur? We see that they have absorbed parts of it in Doom (2016), but quite a good chunk of it in Eternal is left intact. Is the reason for this because the ones loyal to the Maykrs plead a deal with the demons to leave the unimportant parts of the planet intact for them, or?

[solid beacon]

Cosmic realm

[uneven dragon]

At the time of 2016 the intent was that all of D'nur had been absorbed, but they changed it to just be partially absorbed in Eternal.

i forgot if there was a justification but lets just say maykr shenanigans or something

[warm ibex]

I do think people tend to forget that a decent portion of 2016's story/lore was written (or changed) relatively close to the game's launch. The Slayer himself was added late in development!

[hazy chasm]

Ah, I see. I guess the lore nowadays is just that they grabbed the parts that was important to them (the areas where the living wraiths were located), and when the Sentinels loyal to the King died out, the Maykr-loyal portion was allowed to keep their portion intact to serve the Maykrs(?)

[hard thistle]

(It's because of the Khan.)

[uneven dragon]

yay maykr shenanigans

[hard thistle]

I actually answered this exact question a few days ago.

[Argent D'Nur being absorbed by Hell was] definitely retconned. 2016 was written with the idea that Argent D'Nur was its own realm that had been entirely absorbed. In Eternal Argent D'Nur is instead depicted as a planet in the same dimension as Earth, with a civilization that had spread across space, which was only partially absorbed into Hell and the rest moreso conquered politically via the Maykrs.

As far as the final story goes, Hell absorbed select regions of the planet such as the Umbral Plains and (probably) the Elemental Sepulchre. The rest of the planet remained intact and habitable - the Sentinels continued living there for millennia, albeit under a corrupt society ruled the the Deag Priests and the Maykrs.

[warm ibex]

I wonder how much of Argent D'Nur is truly inhabited by a meaningful number of people. Every Sentinel location we visit in Eternal is long abandoned and almost completely void of life

Aside from maybe Sentinel Prime

[hazy chasm]

Oh cool! Thanks for the explanation! I still remember being VERY confused a while back when I played through Eternal for the first time as 2016 said the whole realm was consumed

[hazy chasm]

Gotta be a few key points of tribes opposing the demons and maykrs discreetly, given the amount of firepower they bring to Immora in TAG2

[hard thistle]

Yeah, the in-game depiction of Argent D'Nur is a bit at-odds with what the Codex tells us. We can perhaps believe that the Slayer just so happens to only visit uninhabited areas in Eternal, but the Codex implies Sentinel Prime should 100% be populated, as Deag Grav frequently hosts his fucked up blood tournaments or whatever there.
TAG2 would later depict a bunch of scattered tribes around the planet that were apparently not loyal to the Maykrs or the Deag. But offscreen the majority Sentinel population lived under Deag rule.

[uneven dragon]

why did none of the ARC come to help the slayer even after they found out the immora portal was on their planet are they fucking dumb

[hard thistle]

I would bitch about this more but TDA scratched my itch for onscreen Sentinel stuff.

[uneven dragon]

i mean the intern was gonna come originally and davoth was gonna kill him

[hazy chasm]

Probably scared shitless and/or confused about the whole ordeal. The last time they heard anything, it was likely the Intern telling them that the Slayer had gone to Urdak to resurrect the Dark Lord.

[uneven dragon]

ngl they shouldve kept at least one of the 2 major character deaths planned for immora

[hazy chasm]

Would actually not surprise me if Valen ends up dying in the battle (if anything is ever followed up after TAG2).

Would also suit well with his character. Dying in a final battle against the demons to buy the Slayer the time he needs to end it all, once and for all.

[uneven dragon]

yeah valen's death in TAG 2 should've been kept

intern's death i don't mind not being in the game because that's kind of just killing him for the sake of killing him

[solid beacon]

Sentinel axe mod returned king novick tag 2.

[hazy chasm]

Btw, is it ever explained who have written the codex pages in TDA? Are they supposed to be pages from Sentinel scholars, or just small history bits for the viewer (and thus not considered "canon" in the sense of having being written in game)?

[solid beacon]

Small history bits

For long story

[uneven dragon]

just assume sentinel scholars probs

[solid beacon]

That long story.

[hazy chasm]

Yeah, that's what I assumed. I think Doom 2016 was like that too(?)

The difference was just that in Eternal, it was written like it was from multiple books from different scholars/authors. For instance, we have the story of the Urdak and the Maykrs from the PoV of the Maykrs (the Father being the God of Creation), and also the true story of the Universe's creation from the PoV of Hell, discovered by the UAC.

The only problem is that it's really possible with some of the creatures and locations you discover in TDA, as no one alive should have been there to even know of it.

[obsidian shard]

To me the codex seems to be written by Hell and Sentinels'

Mancubus codex for Example, has Hell and Sentinel Texts

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1429946680324919306/DTDA-Mancubus-Codex.jpg?ex=68f7fd1f&is=68f6ab9f&hm=e1404b5d52ea82c381800f93dc7760b8df1bcd78ced6bc774d126c4d43458e6a&

[frail bloom]

Why is the manc so big

In eternal they're rather short

[green estuary]

he fat

[frail bloom]

This guy is like a tank

[green estuary]

literally
they're hell's artillery cannons

[frail bloom]

I wanna see mancs without their arm cannons

[green estuary]

(ignore the fact that hell tanks are literally in the game lol)

[frail bloom]

I would've liked to see hell tanks roll around

Was kinda dissapointed when they kinda just acted like turrets

Better than tag 1's I guess

the eyeball turrets

[green estuary]

everything in TAG was just reused istg

[frail bloom]

Ofc the tanks are really big so they need space to move

But like they can have some limited movement

Like just circle an arena

A really really big arena

And the explosion of a tank should create a shockwave

When you use your rocket launcher on it

Boi dark ages needs more shockwave attacks

Ground slam is cool and I want more

[green estuary]

mancubus, komodo, cyberdemon, hell knight, battle knight, baron

that's a lot

[frail bloom]

No like from the player

[green estuary]

ah

[frail bloom]

Demons already have enough

Idk I just wanna feel more cool

I want to upgrade my ground slam

Like have a shockwave that spans the arena

You can only trigger it by doing smt extra than just falling down

[light summit]

how does optiscaler work for this title?

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-s-patrick-patrick-star-bottle-dumb-gif-1741625486363070335

Me rn

[uncut needle]

My spire of nerathul lists 99% done. But all the challenges are done and the collectibles are maxed out

[soft lava]

Hello i finished the game twice and completed everything required for the melee expert trophy and berserker twice and the trophies didn't pop up does anybody got the same issue ?

[obsidian shard]

The DOOM: The Dark Ages Physical OST's (From Laced Records) should be shipping this week and they are also No longer on Pre-order on Laced Records!

[hearty edge]

the intern is omnipotent he can't be killed

[hearty edge]

maybe just missed 1 gold

[harsh egret]

it always said december 2025 on the bethesda store tho, are they shipping it earlier?

[obsidian shard]

The Laced Record ones ship this month

[harsh egret]

damn

shouldve bought through them

[obsidian shard]

added an edit for clairification

[harsh egret]

damn even a local store here ships them on the 24th of october

why does bethesda store ship them so much later

[obsidian shard]

what store?

[harsh egret]

its a norwegian store

platekompaniet.no

[uncut needle]

Gold counter is filled but that things been glitched

[undone girder]

People say I should have 632 gold by 100% mark but tbh I only ever got 602 lol

And I'm sure I got every gold pickup

[heady trout]

And I thought tag 2 writing couldn't be worse

Intern death???

[uneven dragon]

Yea Valen and Intern were both meant to die to Davoth

IMO Valen should’ve died but it was a good choice to keep Intern alive

[heady trout]

Same

[uneven dragon]

Personally though I don’t really like Intern so I wouldn’t care if he died probs

[heady trout]

Valens death I wouldn't mind

Guy has history with the Slayer

Intern is just a silly lil fella

[heady trout]

"Sentinels are my favorite part of Eternal visually and story wise"

Doom Sentinel ages

"Oh ok thanks"

[hearty edge]

yea valen could've

but first they should've fleshed out the whole last level

[uneven dragon]

Yea lol

[uncut needle]

is there any movement tech in TDA similar to the gauss cannon or ballista boost

[delicate grotto]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AqUTfmimFZw

Not sure if they patched this out. Don’t think they have. Usually id likes to keep these fun little bugs if it isn’t hurting the gameplay.

[remote canopy]

They didn't

[delicate grotto]

Sweet

[random sand]

i've tried doing this. it's ridiculously hard to pull off

[wheat sigil]

yea it's unfortunately situational

[random sand]

it works best on the sentinel barracks but then you still have the issue of pulling it off. i've yet to do it successfully

[topaz oasis]

@wheat sigil https://www.youtube.com/live/dCCFcBAiWsI?si=vjqvfq8wNThbPlMC let's go for that 150% speed run

[wheat sigil]

lesgo

[topaz oasis]

perfect

150% speed broke my game

now we gaming fr fr

https://imgur.com/a/ON10ahw

[wheat sigil]

you were too swagger for the game to handle

[topaz oasis]

@wheat sigil this game at 150% speed....

it feels so crisp 😳

I cant believe I have been missing on this much fun since I started playing the game omg

I dont think I can ever go back to playing the game at normal speed after going 150%

IT'S WAY TOO FUN

[wheat sigil]

yess!!

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[glossy mantle]

anyone playing the version from microsoft store dealing with game freezes?

[green estuary]

I honestly didn't know tda was even on the microsoft store

[glossy mantle]

its on the xbox game pass

[green estuary]

ah

I'm not really familiar with how game pass operates

playing the game on steam I haven't encountered any freezes

[glossy mantle]

oh alright.

[glossy mantle]

They have a bunch of games you can play 'for free' every month by playing a flat fee. though its pretty fucking expensive. I just buy shared accounts online. Good deals there

[heady mica]

How much is gamepass nowadays? I never bought it ever so I am curious

[green estuary]

yeah I'll just stick to steam lol
just got titanfall 2 for 5 bucks and got tda a while back for like 45

the sales are extremely good

[glossy mantle]

30$/mo. its kinda outrageous. but you can find it for much cheaper on gray markets

[heady mica]

I got both TDA and its premium upgrade for free

[glossy mantle]

I paid around 1.33$ for 1mo gamepass

[heady mica]

bruhhhh let me just buy the game at full price

[glossy mantle]

has doom tda, msfs 2024, forza, etc. dont mind it

[green estuary]

did you actually get it for free
or did you pay a subscription to get access to the game for free

cuz there's a difference there

[heady mica]

i actually got them for free

i got the game itself from my boyfriend and the upgrade from a friend

[green estuary]

ah nice

[gleaming arrow]

my bad wrong server

[rocky glacier]

What the hell? I just launched the game today and my settings were all reset to default

Is this happened to you too?

[green estuary]

yeah the new update did that
I believe it has to do with them introducing a new low-quality handheld preset

[mental grotto]

@hard thistle Sorry to necro-ping, but i saw this conversation yesterday and just found something in TDA that, through my understanding, contradicts this. In the City of Aratum, there is a wall art depicting the Khan Maykr giving Argent Energy to the Sentinels, the same as the doom eternal collector's edition lithograph titled "The Gift of Argent Energy." I'll post the picture in #screenshots , but thoughts on this?

[hard thistle]

Hi.

The only thing that really confirms this to have much to do with Argent Energy is the title of the lithograph in the Collector's Edition of Eternal - but Eternal's supplementary material sans the Lorebook is seriously untrustworthy and often references older versions of the game with cut content.

This mural is also in Eternal itself, in the elevator that takes you to the Gladiator fight in the Sentinel Prime level. Within only the context of Eternal itself and no out-of-game content, the mural can be seen simply as a depiction of the Sentinels and Maykrs convening - perhaps their first meeting. There doesn't necessarily have to be a connection to Argent Energy itself.

I would argue the title is referencing an older version of the plot, or was made up by a dev who only knew the broad strokes of the story. Even then, TDA has recontextualized the mural in any case.

TDA does introduce some confusion in regards to Sentinel Energy though.

[solid beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-gif-14901082521966246439

[mental grotto]

Fair enough, that makes sense. Something else that I'm now realizing playing through the level is that there's a statue of what looks an awful like the Deag council from eternal, but I thought the Deag council was different back then since Deag Loric is a character and wears a different headgear. Maybe this level was created before a lot of major lore decisions, who knows.

[hard thistle]

Nah, the Deag are still a thing in TDA, it's just that the main three aren't relevant to the plot. TDA simply reveals there were more than three Deag Priests, and that not all of them were corrupt, since Loric seemed to be a good guy overall.

The Deag have existed as an order since the Sentinels formed society. They started as a religious order to worship and pay tribute to the Wraiths - to "appease their tempestuous hunger."

[mental grotto]

Ohhh I see, I thought since we were further back in time there was simply an older council that came before them. That makes more sense

[hard thistle]

We can infer they are somewhat similar to IRL priests, like Catholic priests or something, since TDA implies they have taken a vow of celibacy (and nowhere is it implied the other three Deag have broken that vow).

[hard thistle]

Well, maybe not celibacy. But they are at least forbidden to have relations with commoners. I took that to mean celibacy.

From Loric's Codex page:

Though devoted to his sacred duty, Deag Loric found solace and meaning in a quiet, secret marriage to a commoner. This union, while forbidden by the strict traditions of the priesthood, was a private refuge for a man otherwise consumed by the weight of preserving a fading past.

[mental grotto]

Sentinel 🐱 so good bro had to give up the location of the Heart of Argent to Ahzrak 💔

[hard thistle]

Well, it's likely an ever-shifting series of members.

It's not like Deag Ranak has existed since the beginning. It's an order of priests, so the members change as Deag Priests die and new Sentinels join the priesthood.
The Deag are immortal because of the Khan, not anything Sentinel-related. So their immortality hasn't happened by the time TDA begins.

[warm ibex]

That's one of the most jarring things going from Eternal to TDA imo. You get the impression that the triplet Deag Priests and Khan Maykr play a major upfront role in the Sentinel saga from the time Doomguy arrives on Argent D'Nur until he's betrayed and stranded in Hell. Yet neither the priests nor the Khan appear in TDA

[mental grotto]

That was my impression, I just didn't realize that the 3 from eternal were alive during the time of TDA. Which, come to think of it, makes no sense because we see at least a couple of them during the flashbacks when Doomguy arrives in Argent D'nur. Whoops

[hard thistle]

It is definitely jarring. I think it's one of the things with TDA that you can accept once you begin to see the story as a smaller piece of Sentinel history - a vignette from the war - rather than "the Doom origin story" or "the origin of the Slayer."

Hugo's marketing didn't really match the tone of the game other than a few cutscenes near the end. The majority of the story feels surprisingly small in its scope, where we are kind of just seeing a small portion of the larger Argenta war, rather than an attempt to tell a larger prequel that explains everything.

I personally really like that and think it allows for more character-focused storytelling. But that's just me.

IMO Ahzrak is a big reason why. Ahzrak is the best villain of the series, and I feel like he wouldn't have been if TDA had tried to focus more on the Testaments or on checking off a list of stuff that happened in the Codex.

[supple oracle]

I agree ahzrak is cool villain

[hard thistle]

Don't beat yourself up for not noticing it. Doom's lore is surprisingly expansive and unfortunately a decent amount of it is told in a very vague and noncommital way that makes it hard to piece together what's happening unless you have the right kind of autism to hyperfixate on it for a year.

(Like I did.)

[supple oracle]

But kreed amazing I love him

[mental grotto]

Yeah well you lucked out with a badass hyperfixation lmao. I definitely wish doom's story was told in a bit of a better way, TDA is definitely a step in the right direction

The lore of doom is super interesting and i was pretty into it for a while, especially around the 2016-eternal era. Then TAG1 and 2 happened...

[hard thistle]

There are some missteps, but I still love the whole thing overall. I'm not one of those people who thinks Eternal or TAG ruined the story or anything. It's a really cool universe and story, told by really passionate writers, who happen to have some flaws in how they tell it.
Most of my favorite things are really cool stories that have some serious flaws. Flawed stories that have unique and passionate qualities to them have always caught my interest more than stories that are more conventional and appeal to more people.

Like, I'm a big fan of Saw. Saw rocks. Saw is the exact definition of "cool and fun but flawed."

[mental grotto]

Yeah i can get behind that. I don't think TAG ruined the story or anything like that, i just definitely think it should have been fleshed out a lot more. To basically end the story of the Slayer right then and there having killed the biggest bad guy in hell just felt a little unceremonious. Also, the whole Samur=Samuel twist that the entire community had already figured out well before the DLC just felt a bit weird/contradictory

[frail bloom]

Well tag didn't ruin the story persay bc doom guy is still untouched

If his character isn't assassinated then I'll excuse anything

But tag was written badly imo

[warm ibex]

I wish they wouldn't have exaggerated so much with the marketing. I feel like a portion of some folks' disappointment comes directly from the fact that, while the marketing didn't lie, it did unintentionally lead quite a few people to believe that TDA would be much more grand and include loads of content pulled from established lore

[frail bloom]

Lol some ppl thought we were gonna fight the champion titan in hell

(Me like in january)

[warm ibex]

It's easier to enjoy the smaller, less established story that TDA offers when you don't go into the game expecting it to throw major lore events at you left and right

[frail bloom]

It takes place for like 2 days which is interesting

Like all doom games

Some ppl expected eons

Lmao

Like eons worth of history

[hard thistle]

Yeah I agree. TDA is IMO basically a masterpiece like Eternal, but its marketing built up some false expectations and I think that is the source of some frustration.

[warm ibex]

And to build off of what Samir said, I think some of the disappointment and frustration also comes from a general misunderstanding of Doom's lore due to years of uncorrected misinformation and a general lack of care for the deeper story

[frail bloom]

Ye it's all abt the aura farming and super cool things happening 24/7

It's all abt the references

And fanservice

Now unironically, to have like at least one major event/development happen in the dlc would be awesome

But to argue for like years-eons worth of history is silly

And no one corrects anyone as far as I know except here

[warm ibex]

that's definitely one of the community's larger issues

[frail bloom]

By this most likely hunting the high council

[warm ibex]

like I absolutely don't want to overgeneralize or make anyone feel targeted, but I do think the modern Doom community as a whole has a handful of major problems that are finally starting to bite people in the ass with TDA

[frail bloom]

Well yeah cuz no one knows squat

Someone was confused on why the baalrag wasn't in dark ages

Had to correct them and tell them that it was killed in the third age

Which is 2 ages after the first age

Which is eons

[mystic barn]

I think it’s kinda funny that TDA only really explores the first half of the first Slayer’s testament; “In the first age, in the first battle, when the shadows first lengthened, one stood. Burned by the embers of Armageddon, his soul blistered by the fires of Hell and tainted beyond ascension, he chose the path of perpetual torment. In his ravenous hatred he found no peace…” By the end of the game, we haven’t sought vengeance against the Dark Lords who had wronged us, and we certainly haven’t worn the crown of the Night Sentinels

[frail bloom]

I think half of that second half will be in dlc

The crown thing is prob not real, it's just saying that he was basically the king

I don't think he actually wore a crown

He was just dubbed king

[mystic barn]

Probably not, but watch Hugo resurrect that line for a future DOOM game

[frail bloom]

Or leader, or respectfully as a king

[warm ibex]

And that was definitely a marketing misstep, at least imo. TDA isn't a major prequel that explores the testaments, it's the very beginning of the testaments. TDA is when pen first met paper

[frail bloom]

"Looks guys doomguy's aura farming look how cool his crown is "

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1429595709929164941/image-1.png?ex=68f6b641&is=68f564c1&hm=d1bc15679d78239dc10bf326fcfe9af2714492250cd53964bcd8b370be1b86ab&

Ye def gonna happen

I bet a cent on it

[uneven dragon]

Hugo in the next livestream: “we couldn’t have him wear the crown of the night sentinels because then it would lock away that part of history from being in future games”

[uneven dragon]

i meaaan one could argue

[warm ibex]

they actually can't have him wear the crown because his helmet is too big lol

[uneven dragon]

fuse the crown with the helmet

[warm ibex]

weld it on there

I kinda theorized that the markings on the forehead of Eternal's helmet was meant to represent a crown, but they're on the TDA helmet too

[uneven dragon]

i dont think people want the entire history of the slayer in there but it wouldve been good to have like one or two events from them

i also think nobody would complain if we were thrown into the middle of them anyway given like TDA already isn't the very start of him working with sentinels

i wouldve thrown in him becoming the leader of the sentinels or him hunting the dark lords personally

hopefully it'll be in the dlc but damn making ppl pay like extra to see the testaments is funny lol

[warm ibex]

it's a general audience thing

and that's what I should've said the other day instead of starting an argument. Choices like starting from a much earlier point or only tackling the Sentinel storyline in order is likely done specifically for general audiences

[uneven dragon]

i agree i just also wouldve tackled the part where he begins to lead as like an ending

idk

maybe itll be dlc maybe idk

[warm ibex]

I just wonder how much jumping they'll end up doing. Surely they won't make more than one, maybe two more medieval games

they have too much story to be told even across two more games (at least imo) so they'll have to choose storylines carefully

I'd say Civil War with a betrayal DLC will be the final medieval game

[frail bloom]

No not you I've seen ppl expecting like the entire history

Like all of the crusades, all of the civil war him being entombed

Like noooooo sense of timeline

I'm with horde on this one, for dlc to the dark ages we might hunt the council and discover nekravol, and the next game is on the civil war and we'll see the betrayal in the dlc for that game

Afterwards they might stop

And move on to smt else

[warm ibex]

And like I mentioned earlier, that comes from a general misunderstanding of how much content is covered in the Sentinel lore and how long the Testaments actually are

since people seem to not really read the codex, just learn about the events from reddit posts and youtube videos

[frail bloom]

It's a very huge misunderstanding

[uneven dragon]

tbf testaments just rattle off all major events so i can see why ppl who played 2016 and didnt read eternal's codex think that

[warm ibex]

and that's a very fair point!

[frail bloom]

Hugo should either play doom 2016 or doom 3 on halloween

Who's with me

[uneven dragon]

Doom 3 surely

[frail bloom]

I wonder what he thinks of D3

[hard thistle]

watch as he ended up playing doom 64

[uneven dragon]

actually no not doom 3 because he'd spend the entire game going "haha glad we dont make it like this anymore this game is shit" and it'd be like 10 hours of ragebait for me

[frail bloom]

2016 kinda has the upper hand tho bc hugo can actually talk abt the development process

[uneven dragon]

oh that actually has a chance since it's his favourite

[frail bloom]

He doesn't know much abt d3 really to the point where he can talk endlessly abt it

[warm ibex]

I hope he plays D64, more people need to actually play it instead of mistakenly dragging it into the "doom 3 is incomprehensible, entirely unplayable dogshit" hivemind mentality

it's probably my favorite out of the original trilogy

[frail bloom]

Only tru G's know the best doom game is doom 2 rpg

[uneven dragon]

i just know hugo playing doom 3 would lead to the worst stream of all time

[random sand]

That'd be lowkey pretty funny. I want that now lmao

[green estuary]

d64 is very good, just has some convoluted map design

doom 3 sucks though, I'll stand by that

[hard thistle]

i actually loved most of doom 64's maps

[frail bloom]

Katsu V. Hoovy

Who wins

[uneven dragon]

im gonna fucking get you man

[frail bloom]

Trick question I win

Doom 2 rpg soloes

[uneven dragon]

Doom 64 is pretty good yeah

It's also Hugo's favourite although Hugo seems to never draw from it for the modern games 💔

[frail bloom]

The color pallete of dark ages is like 64's

[uneven dragon]

we got the unmaykr thats it

[green estuary]

true

[warm ibex]

overusage of Hell Knights and Barons too, but I prefer that over the second half of Doom II

[hard thistle]

probably because it's less iconic than the first two classic doom games

[frail bloom]

With the pastel colors

[wintry forge]

I’ll never forget about that gem

[uneven dragon]

Doom 2016 is the best NuDoom because it draws so much from Doom 3 #FACT

[frail bloom]

My goat strikes again with a based take

[random sand]

Me when i lie?

[frail bloom]

I actually do like 2016 the most but not for that lol

[green estuary]

does it?

[uneven dragon]

yes doom 2016 takes a huge amount from d3

[green estuary]

but the movement and gunplay are actually good tho

[warm ibex]

hi iconofsimp, I've been meaning to watch your vid on TDA's plot holes

[green estuary]

[frail bloom]

Watch it it's good

He even offers solutions

[uneven dragon]

i wish the rpg games and resurrection would get an official rerelease

[warm ibex]

and I wish mighty doom would've got a permanent offline mode instead of being vaporized

makes preservation much harder

[wintry forge]

Yo Horde! It’s got about 6 or so in there. Most of them have been brought up since the game released, but some are still a bit more obscure

[warm ibex]

and I'm excited to hear about them!!

[random sand]

I actually found mighty doom kinda fun. Fun little game i could whip out when i was bored. Why'd they shut it down😭

[hard thistle]

i would like a psx doom port

[warm ibex]

I'm telling you man, Mighty Doom's super horizontal gameplay would've worked MUCH better as a TDA themed mobile spinoff instead of an Eternal spinoff

[wintry forge]

Mighty Doom definitely shouldn’t have gotten a perma-shutdown. Games like that with offline qualities don’t deserve to be killed like that

The RPG mobile series (especially the iOS Doom 2 RPG) I think should get a revive/ rerelease of sorts

[random sand]

Who knows. Maybe it gets a rerelease themed around TDA instead of Eternal. Could get like upgrades to the shield with it bouncing all over the place

[warm ibex]

I kinda doubt it since the studio was completely shut down

[warm ibex]

there needs to be an id RPG collection that comes with Doom RPG, Doom II RPG, Wolfenstien RPG and Orcs & Elves

and anything else that I'm missing

[uneven dragon]

i wish mighty doom got an official soundtrack release :P

it's kinda silly id won't let TAG or Mighty Doom get official ost releases it genuinely had me worried TDA wouldn't too

[wintry forge]

Weren’t those games made in-house anyways? I think they were. So it could be easier than it would seem to rerelease

[random sand]

I thought the mario & luigi series was dead after alphadream shut down but it came back with Brothership. A studio going down does not mean all hope is lost

[frail bloom]

Well it happened for eternal too

Idk whaaaaat happened

Can't explain

[uneven dragon]

i didnt list eternal for obvious reasons :P

[hard thistle]

actually why didn't they release the soundtracks for the ancient gods? i know about the mick incident, but i don't think that affects hulshult and levy too

[frail bloom]

Ruh roh

[random sand]

That one hurts the most. Put the eternal ost on spotify already!😭

[frail bloom]

Boi y'know that ain't happening

[random sand]

[uneven dragon]

i posted to the doom subreddit that Eternal, TAG and Mighty not getting doom soundtrack releases had me worried TDA wouldn't get one but because Doom fans can't read they just read my post title of "im worried about tda's soundtrack" and i got downvoted and 1000 replies going "it's gonna be a good soundtrack why do you think itll be bad" 😭

[hard thistle]

hate to be that guy but why are we talking in the dark ages channel

[frail bloom]

Why you on reddit

[uneven dragon]

genuinely unironically they just didnt release it for no reason

[frail bloom]

Just kidding

[random sand]

First mistake. Thinking people on reddit will be reasonable

[frail bloom]

Idk we got off topic

Our bad

[uneven dragon]

the only reason i can speculate is that "but people would ask for them to release eternal's too"

but that's fucking dumb and id should genuinely get in trouble if that's the reason

all we know is Levy saying he's not allowed to make an album for it lol

[random sand]

Getting off-topic happens sometimes. Doubt the mods care about it THAT much

[hard thistle]

i was going to joke about how hugo playing doom 3 is a crucial part of the dark ages lore but didn't want to wait that long for someone to mention this

[uneven dragon]

😭

[warm ibex]

robert pattinson batman...

have I talked to you before elsewhere?

[hard thistle]

who's batman?

[hard thistle]

maybe

[frail bloom]

Ok gonna continue my slider run

[harsh egret]

ello

Hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @harsh egret.

[harsh egret]

what lvl u on

[heady trout]

^

Hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @heady trout.

[frail bloom]

From beyond

(Kill me)

The rev leader encounter is soooo aids

Two rev's together means certain death

I DID IT

Boo ya

Ok that's enuff for today

I can't wait to play the game normally after

I have 112 hours on dark ages

I had like 94 before the max slider run

[harsh egret]

rookie numbers

[frail bloom]

I'll refrain my words

[harsh egret]

[frail bloom]

You'll never know

[harsh egret]

say it.

[frail bloom]

Imma be honest I was gonna make a comeback but my mind spaced so I have nothing

[harsh egret]

ah ur one of those

[frail bloom]

I guess I'll stay a rookie

[frail bloom]

Nuh uh yu are

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/he-he-he-laughing-funny-lizard-heh-heh-heh-gif-5728538792722150615

[frail bloom]

I'm the lizard???

[hearty edge]

i need my blood swamps heavy combat release right now

[green estuary]

if you just search doom eternal the ancient gods mp3 on google there are two good gamerips on khinsider

you can download both

[heady trout]

okay im going to be honest

im on my replay, managed to do Hebeth deathless on Nightmare with higher game speed

the Atlan segments suck ass

the moment more than one gangs up on you its over, especially if its projectiles from one enemy and melee from another

you literally cant parry both

[green estuary]

you just gotta keep some spacing

[heady trout]

how? The game asks me to get up close to beat these guys up

and when im beating one the other in the back starts shooting me

or far ahead

[green estuary]

sure, you can
but just know that your regular punches deal nonexistent damage unless they're charged

[heady trout]

i didnt know that

but outside of that theres literally nothing I can do when theres one guy im melee brawling with and another shooting me from afar

the parries dont align and i take damage

[green estuary]

even the basic unarmored titans take a little while to kill with basic punches
you can go ham if there are 1 or 2 enemies onscreen but once there start being more of them, you gotta play more conservatively

the lightning ground stomp is great

[heady trout]

and when im fighting two melee demons with the Atlan they tend to sorround me and its hard to parry from behind without the max setting for Atlan parry window

im trying to have it in the middle

[green estuary]

oh

can't help you there

[heady trout]

but regardless theres legitimately no solution here, just take the beating from the demon far away or from behind

im assuming the intended one is the max window bc this is bonkers

[green estuary]

titan attacks are clunky as hell, so attempting to make the parry window smaller just makes it feel less intuitive

[heady trout]

actually no wtf

i checked, its the max window

so despite having max window im legitimately just forced to take punishment

[green estuary]

[heady trout]

demon infront plus another behind or far away? Well good luck the Atlan cant do shit against that

take the beating

die

and hope that next time the enemy spacing is more generous and you get an actually winable fight

[heady trout]

oh my fucking god i clicked on the wrong save to check

[hearty edge]

backshots

[heady trout]

but my point still stands, the final Atlan level legitimately sucked

shit was okay the first two times, the last it just felt borderline not playtested

[green estuary]

weird
the most I ever died in the final battle atlan section was once

not counting the old one on my first attempt

and this is even after they updated the atlan combat

[hearty edge]

i died 2 times on the 3rd level which almost kills my pandemonium run

now i've lost the 3rd life to some hell knights

i'm scard

[heady trout]

trying to do sentinel barracks on nightmare modified

sucking, with the higher game speed, higher projectile speed and smaller parry window hell knights are really a problem

oh my god

what is it with this game and eternal, i enter a new arena with plenty of enemies MIDLY confident and get calcinated in seconds

every time I die i restart the whole stage

and honestly im tired for today when it comes to restarting sentinel barracks

ill continue later

[frail bloom]

The checkpoints are doo doo

[frail bloom]

Ye on modified settings the atlan parry window just feels horrible to tweak

Might as well not touch those settings

I'm on max sliders and I don't even touch the atlan parry windows

Cuz they're broken

[solar spoke]

just played Harbor of Souls and I'm getting this weird glitch where doomguy's hands are far away from the screen and clipping through shield and weapons. Anyone else getting this?

[warm ibex]

any way you could send a pic? interesting to look at if nothing else

[solar spoke]

sure, I'll boot up now and get it

[obsidian shard]

Cosmic realm lore is soo cool, I keep forgetting that Hugo talked about some of these points in the streams! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1400344876326850584/1430385499960377486/colin-geller-colingeller-dtda-cosmicsg-01.jpg?ex=68f995ce&is=68f8444e&hm=75a4b9fba2ca0d009072bcbd815000fc48ea272288617ef7bcf15cb513b45454&

I do hope we get to see more cosmic realm stuff soon tho!

[solar spoke]

That's it posted up in screenshots

[obsidian shard]

also the art design across the entire Team for the game is absolutely Phenomenal, taking a look at the Artstation pages of the devs is like the coolest thing ever, also cause they give more info on their art!

[warm ibex]

I tried to send the art station page last night but the site isn't approved yet

[hard thistle]

i'm a big fan of the cyberdemon and arachnotron ones

[hearty edge]

that only happens to me in eternal but I honestly feel that's mostly a skill issue from my part

[hard thistle]

can't wait to get the dark ages physical art book. would love to see those concept arts in person.

[obsidian shard]

I Suggest checking out Everyone's Artstation (if you want them DM me, i have Almost ALL of em saved)
but here are some of my personal Favs:

www.artstation.com/alejandromirabal - Alejandro - Concept Artist
www.artstation.com/emersontung - Emerson - Art Director
www.artstation.com/colingeller - Colin - Principal Concept Artist
www.artstation.com/nick4d - Nick - Environment Artist
www.artstation.com/thatonewhale - Alexis - Senior Environment Artist
www.artstation.com/chase403 - Chase - Character Artist
www.artstation.com/pedrocprieto - Pedro - Environment Artist
www.artstation.com/williambao - William (not me) - Character Concept Artist
www.artstation.com/emevans - Ethan - Concept Artist
www.artstation.com/austincline - Austin - Principle Artist
www.artstation.com/nathanlyallelmer - Nathan - Senior Concept Artist

Also Big ol shout-out to the animators as well such as:
Paul Allen
Alan Rodgers
Skai Chow
and Many MANY more (these are just particulars i remeber off my head)

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-gif-5985161365119532609

[obsidian shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0vZRvVAIpE

And of course Hugo for being Hugoated as Always!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/971218217852862544/1429128803854061618/Absolute_Hugo_Martin.png?ex=68f9a0aa&is=68f84f2a&hm=3e35807d53b4e70d2d6074252a7a0b2572b1539720e4f7d668975e6c09ba1262&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=656&height=562

[hard thistle]

So glad he did the meme. Peak DOOM right here!

[obsidian shard]

And Josh,
Thank you Josh for Reading it out and Having you both do it!
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/971218217852862544/1429128803367653579/Aboslute_Joshura.png?ex=68f9a0aa&is=68f84f2a&hm=6224fab9b8fcc6401d181a9e75b934e72f9f5e1c24949846cfe3bc71b70ce30f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=656&height=562

He Truely makes me want to have a Tokyo Punch out

[unkempt dragon]

🤔

[hard thistle]

don't forget about jeff for the game's sound design.
https://youtu.be/kD4By2TrAe4?si=Bak3X00mBKcG9iUD

[obsidian shard]

The Sound Design is probaly THE Best sound Design for a DOOM game yet

[warm ibex]

Oh I've been keeping up with Art Station posts since before Eternal released, but I appreciate that!

[obsidian shard]

I didnt realize It was a reply, my bad, but np!

[warm ibex]

If you exit discord and open it again sometimes it'll automatically make your message a reply to whoever you last replied too. Super wierd, don't know when they'll fix that

[obsidian shard]

ahhh i see thank you.

[warm ibex]

this was a good bit lmao

[unkempt dragon]

hi friends

[obsidian shard]

Howdy LM! How was your day/how's it going?

[hard thistle]

You’re right! Josh has always been with it!

[unkempt dragon]

hello! I worked and ate mexican food and now I'm being a sloth on my chair. wby?

[obsidian shard]

Worked, had some soup and now I'm probably heading to bed.

well at least gettin ready for bed

[unkempt dragon]

I should too

but I'm gonna play some more Doom before bed, or try

[obsidian shard]

oh and I picked up my Dogwood Diploma Today so that's pretty cool!

[unkempt dragon]

yer wot

[obsidian shard]

In Canada the Graduation certificate from high school is called the "Dogwood" Diploma.

Graduated last year, and they dont ship the Diplomas till next school year

also the process for getting your passport is tedius asf

[obsidian shard]

Don't stay up too late, don't wanna be looking like you woke up from the Dark Ages (har har har)

[unkempt dragon]

congrats!

[unkempt dragon]

yeah I need to get sleep badly tonight.

[obsidian shard]

Thank you!

[obsidian shard]

God damn

[worn sphinx]

Yo

[worn sphinx]

Interesting stuff

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[midnight cedar]

While there’s a lot to unpack here

I just gotta say

Please let the “time travel arena” be what I think it is

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/time-travel-time-traveling-time-traveler-hulk-mark-ruffalo-gif-22954295

maybe travel the other map for example cosmic realm

to hell dimension

[harsh egret]

did these things show up just now in the dev menu? or could they have been there for a while

just curious about smth

[spring panther]

Does anybody else have the “Content still pending install. Please try again later” glitch?

I can’t even load into hebeth

[meager vortex]

or maybe doom slayer can time travel him self he wiil be not sealed by coffin

[worn sphinx]

I know it sounds crazy but I think when hugo said it would've been cool to see doomguy's abs,I believe this may be where we see em,if the slayer time travels back to when he was still doomguy

[vagrant path]

What the fuck where did you get this

[remote mural]

On ultra nightmare difficulty when you die do you have to start your save over?

[muted perch]

i think you have to start over yeah but i'm not sure

[hard thistle]

yeah, you have to start all over from the beginning

[harsh egret]

it was the same way ng+ got leaked and thats why i think master campaign is coming soon

[remote mural]

My dad challenged me to do it since I beat the game on ultra violence but I don't think I'm up to it since it's perma death

[covert goblet]

Damn!

[hard thistle]

ok let's not try to jump up the fence a tad too higher

i think you should try doing a couple of nightmare runs, at least up to the point where you know what to do

[heady trout]

Typically the way I practice for Ultra Nightmare, is to try to beat each level at least twice or thrice without dying on Nightmare to practice

That how I got UN on Eternal

I won't get UN on this game though, too long and the Atlan segments

[wheat sigil]

i wish i was good enough to un a doom game

also i wish for instant block even during swaps💔