the-dark-ages

[cursive grotto]

It's definitely the hardest tag2 level for me personally with those great arenas (especially the one at the beginning) so I love it and the soundtrack bangs, but the hell troopers throw me off for some reason

[wheat sigil]

we would've gotten peak...

[cursive grotto]

They're just goofy little dudes running around that get 1 shot by everything

[unkempt dragon]

A lot of things would've been nice without Covid happening. Forward thinking is good.

[undone girder]

I'm still very happy with TAG as it is but yea I'm always eager to see a mod one day that can expand it

[cursive grotto]

I might actually be the only one here that liked tag2

[undone girder]

Imagine a mod with a retooled Dark Lord with more attacks and it's crazier than all Ahzrak fights combined

[undone girder]

Bro I'm right here????

[unkempt dragon]

I like it too. Not as much as 1 but I still enjoy it.

[cursive grotto]

Awesome 2 more people

[undone girder]

I actually liked 2 more than 1 tho both are great

[wheat sigil]

how to disprove that all opinions are equal:

[green estuary]

real lmao

[cursive grotto]

Is the hammer and lack of difficulty the main point of contention about tag2 or do people hate other things about it too (other than davoth)

[green estuary]

even without the hammer it's not very good
every encounter feels like it's trying to annoy tf out of you instead of giving you a fun challenge
with the exception of a few, like the last reclaimed earth arena

[warm ibex]

TAG 2's gameplay/levels are awesome, I'm just not huge on the story and I'm not certain it would be any better/worse if it weren't for covid. It seems like they just went in a direction that doesn't really align with what a lot of folks want out of a Doom story and that's alright, they'll fix that going forward like they always do

[wheat sigil]

level design is bad (flat arenas and lacking in environmental movement options), terrible enemies (buggy as hell and none of them are well designed), and what you mentioned

[cursive grotto]

Jarvis, spawn 20 billion imps for no fucking reason

Seriously what's up with the sheer amount of fodder spam in tag2

[green estuary]

pretty much lol

[uneven dragon]

The one bit of eternal I’d change is Samur

[green estuary]

samur is fine
the only thing I dislike is that the mf teleports around like he's on crack

like bro just stay still for 5 seconds and let me hit you

[frail bloom]

Nvm we just had a misunderstanding I'm chill with the dude now

[wheat sigil]

i'd change tons of bits, and samur is one of them yea, but still a good bossfight imo

[uneven dragon]

Either

1. keep him as just a regular human cyborg
2. make him keep the demonic crucible and have him fight you with it in TAG 1 to pay off 2016’s “a dark priest consumed by(?) the crucible” tree prophecy

[cursive grotto]

This might be a dumb question but I pay 0 attention to the story and lore so like bear with me please

What's the difference between the demonic crucible and the normal crucible

[wheat sigil]

goodass question

[green estuary]

the demonic crucible has a cooler looking handle

and can open portals to hell, somehow

[undone girder]

Nothing 🤣

Just that the demonic one was probably forged in hell lmfao

[cursive grotto]

And another thing

How the hell do you even kill titans in dark ages with the atlan

[undone girder]

Too gibbed to return

Skill issue

[cursive grotto]

What happened to the whole "a titan can only die with the crucible" thing that Hayden uttered a million times in eternal

[undone girder]

I think it's more to prevent all means of resurrection as long as it's on there

[uneven dragon]

Hugo stopped caring about it

[green estuary]

think of it as a plot device to give us a reason to go to taras nabad in eternal

[frail bloom]

Haha big chaingun go brrrrrr

[green estuary]

that's literally it

[frail bloom]

Trololollolol

[undone girder]

Tho a Crucible is probably made of Argent which doesn't exist yet, at least any that the Maykrs aren't hiding

They just resort to Atlans till then lol

Tho I won't be surprised if it just totally vanished from existence by now

[frail bloom]

What is this stupid comment

Hol on

[green estuary]

"a titan can only be killed by a crucible blade or by getting punched extremely hard by a big ass mech"

[frail bloom]

No not you

Now I gotta retype

[cursive grotto]

One last "what happened to the story" question

Why does Hayden say "The lost city of hebeth. This was before your time with the sentinels"

And then in tda you just go to hebeth..during your time with the sentinels

What happened there

[undone girder]

He was on the surface in TDA

Eternal it was in the core

The Lost City is more like a part of Hebeth

Somethin like the lost bakery of europe or smth lol

[uneven dragon]

The Lost City of Hebeth was (perhaps retconned perhaps not) to mean Of Hebeth as in “a lost city belonging to the planet Hebeth”

[undone girder]

Isn't Hebeth just Mars

[cursive grotto]

Ooh ic

[green estuary]

yep yep

[cursive grotto]

What is that goofy ass wording though lmao

[frail bloom]

(Referring to the Doomguy abs comment)"They pretty much said that to boost the hype and sales for the DLC knwing that half the planet is h*rny for doomguy. Same how they marketed the collectors bundle statue as 12 inch slayer. I really think this type of msrketing is distasteful in more ways than one, but you do you. You are the consumer after all."

So is he accusing me of being into that like WHO IS THIS DUDE

[green estuary]

hebeth is a city inside mars apparently

[frail bloom]

He just accused me of slander

Nah this is top 10 stupid right here

[uneven dragon]

*Hebeth is Mars

Sentinel word for Mars (even though why tf does Samuel say it then he knows it’s called Mars)

[frail bloom]

Doom fans are dumb people

Lmao

[wheat sigil]

doom fan^

[undone girder]

<<< doom fan

[cursive grotto]

Any community to this scale is probably dumb

It's just inevitable

[green estuary]

because samuel is a big dum dum

[wheat sigil]

twink slayer when

[frail bloom]

Lol

[red peak]

[wheat sigil]

he thinks i'm joking😔

[frail bloom]

You do you

Uh oh

Did I say smt

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-s4-homelander-cough-disgust-gif-15540398707739933423

[warm ibex]

perfect example of gameplay being an absolute priority

[frail bloom]

Katsu out here swingin'

M1 V. Katsu who will win

Roooor

[green estuary]

because eternal absolutely needed to give you a weapon that lets you instakill virtually every threatening enemy in the game

[warm ibex]

nah that's not what I meant. they started developing mech sections and completely dropped the whole "only a crucible can kill a titan" thing

[green estuary]

ah

could've given the atlan a crucible tho

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[cursive grotto]

They could've

But let's be real the big ass shotgun in hellbreaker is 10x cooler

[frail bloom]

Crucible like chainsaw

[uneven dragon]

Crucible bullets

[warm ibex]

you're always ten steps ahead

although they could've done a lotta stuff tbf lol, but they prioritized beating the shit out of titans with bare mech fists over trying to make everything fit with lore that the community has firmly stated they really don't care about (even if that's not really true)

[hard thistle]

TBF this was always kind of dumb because the Great One in 2016 didn't get Crucible'd.

[green estuary]

yeah the whole crucible thing was obviously contrived

[warm ibex]

I mean yeah it's not a great plotpoint

[hard thistle]

I try to just justify it as the Icon specifically requiring the Crucible.

[cursive grotto]

It sucks story wise but hey atleast both the atlan in tda and the crucible in eternal are cool as hell

[frail bloom]

Ye and the great one is like the strongest titan ever

And he didn't even get crucibled

[uneven dragon]

Crucible would be cooler if it wasn’t a “tap this to kill enemy” button

[frail bloom]

But some random joe in nabad needed to get crucibled

[cursive grotto]

What about Hayden saying that the slayer removing the crucible from that titan in taras nabad would reawaken it too

[frail bloom]

Which is weird

[uneven dragon]

Ok ignore my wording because this just sounds like ‘playing a game’

[red peak]

Maybe its like the asgardians in God of War? When you kill a titan it never TRUELY dies, instead it's soul gets sent to hell or somthing and its ressurected. A crucible tho will lock it's soul in place, keeping it from going to Hell

[warm ibex]

You've mentioned that before and I like that explanation a lot. Some high level Titans require special weaponry, makes them a little more unique

[frail bloom]

But what abt the great one

The biggest bad of them all

[uneven dragon]

Icon is the most powerful Titan probably

[warm ibex]

nah I absolutely agree, Eternal's Crucible is majorly overhyped for something that's literally just an instakill button

[frail bloom]

But what abt the dreadnought

Is he stronger?

Then the great one

[uneven dragon]

Icon will always be more powerful because the writers want him to be

[red peak]

Good theory or?

[frail bloom]

Dreadnought is the titan in taras nabad

[cursive grotto]

Bro where do y'all learn this stuff

Is it in the codexes

[frail bloom]

Yes

[warm ibex]

yeah lol

[cursive grotto]

Maybe I should read those more instead of trying to ultra nightmare everything

[green estuary]

Like daemons in 40k

[warm ibex]

I don't think it's ever stated what the great one was killed with

[red peak]

Tbh, i just watched a bunch of lore videos

[frail bloom]

Well are they gonna expand on that?

[red peak]

I dont play 40k- but yeahhh (i think lol)

[frail bloom]

It's during the time he was stuck in hell

Which is uh really far down

[warm ibex]

I dunno if they'll ever make a game on that

[frail bloom]

Ye I dunno

[warm ibex]

personally i hope not

[frail bloom]

Maybe a tv show?

[warm ibex]

don't really need to see absolutely everything

[frail bloom]

Would be awesome

[warm ibex]

honestly if they do a tv show I think I would prefer a direct adaptation of TDA

[red peak]

They already messed up movies, why a TV show?

[frail bloom]

Uhhhhhhhhn idk third time's the charm

[red peak]

Lol ok fair enough

[warm ibex]

worth taking a serious crack at it

[red peak]

Fr, id love to see Doomslayer on the big screen

[placid gale]

anyone else stuck on the dragon vs turret part?

the turrets just dont take damage

[warm ibex]

imo they've only really had one legit try at making a Doom movie and that was twenty years ago, so i wouldn't mind seeing another one

[placid gale]

even watched a tutorial video on youtube

[warm ibex]

even while using the empowered shot?

[placid gale]

idk if im using that or not

[green estuary]

did ya actually pay attention to the tutorial?

[placid gale]

yeah i replayed the level twice

trying to get it to work

[warm ibex]

any chance you could record some quick gameplay and send us a link to the yt upload?

so we can see what you're doing

[placid gale]

i'll try

also btw it works with the vertical turret

just not the horizontal ones

[placid gale]

https://imgur.com/a/W65OnDL

[topaz oasis]

I dont think that's what you are supposed to do in there

[placid gale]

wdym

[topaz oasis]

you have to hold L2 and dodge donwards or upwards by pressing O/B

[placid gale]

yeah thats what i did

[grizzled thicket]

Did you just make a gif

[placid gale]

idk i used imgur

[grizzled thicket]

Wha

[topaz oasis]

you're definitely pressing the wrong button there

I think you're pressing L1 or something

[placid gale]

oh no i used Q/E

[green estuary]

[placid gale]

O/B does nothing

[topaz oasis]

oh, well, that

[frail bloom]

Lol

[placid gale]

thats to fire though

[green estuary]

you dodge by using wasd combined with the dodge key

[frail bloom]

You empower by pressing your parry button

[solid nacelle]

I'm pretty sure the game is telling you to dodge with the space bar

[frail bloom]

Which is also the dodge button for the atlan

[green estuary]

q and e are only used to dive up and down for mobility

[placid gale]

yeah im pressing space bar + q or space bar + e

[topaz oasis]

lmao this too

[green estuary]

dodge using dodge + wasd

[placid gale]

ah wasd worked

[solid nacelle]

There you go

[topaz oasis]

bruh

[placid gale]

weird that theres two ways to do the same thing ngl

[topaz oasis]

read the tutorials folks, it aint that difficult

[placid gale]

i read it twice

AND watched a youtube tutorial

[solid nacelle]

Tbf the dedicated buttons for ascending and descending are pretty useless

Like there's no point in the game where you'd ever have to use them realistically

[frail bloom]

Where's muh fireball attack UUUGOOOOO

Why ascending and descending buttons😭

[obsidian shard]

Yup

[obsidian shard]

it is in fact 12" of Slayer tho

[frail bloom]

Uh huh

[merry sapphire]

what about doom annihilation

[frail bloom]

Doom what?

Talking abt some nonexistent nonsense

There is no Doom Annihilation

[uneven dragon]

i like the imps in it

[warm ibex]

Director flat out admitted that he wasn't attempting to make a legitimate faithful adaptation of Doom, it was his own thing

so I wouldn't personally call a straight to DVD b-movie that was never trying to 100% accurately adapt the source material a "legitimate try" at making a Doom movie

[solar cairn]

Why did you change the avatar?

[frail bloom]

Sorry Horde for flooding your comments I'm talking with this guy in one of your posts

He's one of those "Microsoft is axing ID's vision" type of ppl

"I disagree and you're mad"

The ultracrepidarian is strong with this one

[heady trout]

That term is funny

[frail bloom]

It really is

Like why does it exist

Just call them hot heads

I didn't use the word tho cuz like who the hell knows that

Except M1 their brain is the size of Kreed

[obsidian shard]

Cinema

[heady trout]

All that Eternaltech™ has shifted @wheat sigil 's inner mental functions to an unhealthy degree, they can see with great vision, but at a price, now every 5 seconds a mental image of Eternaltech™ flashes

[frail bloom]

I'm not even mad like I say his argument is in bad faith and he concludes that I'm mad

Like no brocacho it's called discussion and evaluation😭

[heady trout]

nuance is gone

[frail bloom]

I'm evaluating what you're saying and deciding whether or not I agree or not

[frail bloom]

You have no idea now many times I meet ppl in the middle and they're still angry

It's ridiculous

[obsidian shard]

I know a guy IRL who says that stuff, so It's really funny ngl

[heady trout]

[frail bloom]

Bro what type of stuff do they say I need to know

Like specifics

[uneven dragon]

That’s such a bad faith wording of what he said what the hell

He didn’t say that 😭

[frail bloom]

Hey bad faith pops up again

Universe is lining up

[obsidian shard]

"Microsoft rushed the Development of DOOM", and Like you said is "Lowering id's Creativity"

[frail bloom]

Ooga booga unga bunga

[obsidian shard]

Precisely

[heady trout]

If this is the Doom movie, where is mister Doom himself

Is he died?

[obsidian shard]

First DOOM movie Is a Movie of all time, Second one makes the First look like actual PEAK cinema

[frail bloom]

No no guys Hugo is lying Microsoft didn't help them and you're wrong byyeeee

[heady trout]

Fps shooting segment is absolute cinema

[obsidian shard]

Microsoft ain't touching id, it's one of their last GOOD studios

[uneven dragon]

The reason why Joan is the protagonist of Annihilation is because the director couldn’t use the modern day Slayer and the director was inspired by the og ID team saying Doomguy is more of a stand in for the player and deciding to create a character for the Doomguy role

[heady trout]

https://tenor.com/view/sonfys-gif-2540652325955471116

[obsidian shard]

"Cinema" is an Understatement, also the OST fucking BALLS

[frail bloom]

Nop you're wrong enjoy your shlop buddy

[uneven dragon]

It’s not even the first time Doomguy hasn’t been the protagonist, just play Kira in Doom II RPG

[heady trout]

I LOVE SLOP

[obsidian shard]

Darn

[frail bloom]

Enjoy it you consumer

[uneven dragon]

The director never said he wasn’t trying to be faithful to doom lol.

[frail bloom]

You gobless goblin

I'm having too much fun

[heady trout]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

How the writers felt when coming up with the first person segment:

[frail bloom]

Truly groundbreaking

Ok Imma continue my run

[fallow ginkgo]

Why is the age dark

[warm ibex]

Back in early 2021 he mentioned that he was more interested in putting his spin on Doom than making a 100% faithful adaptation. I cannot help that he's shifted gears in the time since

[cerulean pagoda]

im getting closer to the cosmic realm levels on my max sliders run

[warm ibex]

halloween

[heady trout]

The Slayer forgot to take a flashlight

[fallow ginkgo]

This guy

[warm ibex]

Not the first time that guy has started arguments with random people in my comments. I don't put up with that sorta stuff so he's gone, no worries

[fallow ginkgo]

When does the slayer go to France there’s a lot of demons there

[uneven dragon]

I’d like a quote.

[warm ibex]

I don't really care

I'm not interested in arguing with you over and over again

we can say I'm wrong and call it a day, it's not worth the hassle

[heady trout]

Healthy mindset honest to god

"it's not worth the hassle"

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-gif-5430850758035663288

[uneven dragon]

I searched for it, he said “this is meant to compliment the games, this is my take on Doom”, which is really no more egregious than anyone else working on Doom

2016/Eternal/TDA is Hugo’s take on Doom, 3 is a different take on Doom, even Doom 1 is a different take to Tom Hall’s

He literally also in that interview talks about revisiting the classic games

I’m not even an Annihilation fan I just think it’s honestly baffling how the Doom community acts like gasp “A female protagonist” and gasp “a director puts a bit of his own take on Doom”

These are literally both things done before, Doom II RPG for the former and Doom 64, Doom 3, Doom 2016 etc for the latter

[warm ibex]

At no point did I or anyone else here mention anything about a female protagonist

[heady trout]

"WOMEN PROTAGONIST???!!!"

[warm ibex]

That's a huge leap and it's in gasp bad faith

[uneven dragon]

At that point when I was talking I was talking about the wider Doom community in general

It’s not wrong to say that most of the time when that film is mentioned people will act like Joan is a sin against Doom

[uneven dragon]

Speaking of bad faith, do you also hate Doom 64 and 3 and 2016 since Midway and Carmack and Hugo all put their own spin on Doom?

Are they not “real Doom”?

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/shockwave-females-female-transformers-g1-gif-18287954571699638120

[uneven dragon]

Is Doom 2005 not “Real Doom” too? After all they put their own spin on it with the mutations

[heady trout]

Well sexism is very prevalent yeah, just how men hate Skyler white in Breaking Bad bc woman, most guys would hate Vegeta if he was a girl, girls for some reason don't belong doing male things in movies???? It's very confusing

[uneven dragon]

Every director in existence has done “their own take” on something, and Doom as a series is full of people doing their own take, that’s why it’s so good

[heady trout]

My take on Doom is that he's super friendly and eats cupcakes and has tea with all the demons and everyone holds hands and sings In hell but instead of hell it's a land of candies and rainbows

[uneven dragon]

You can’t even say he was being unfaithful, he literally mentions studying up on everything to do with the classic games, and gets into the nitty gritty in that same interview about how Joan is based on the original intention behind Doomguy as a character and how many plot points in the film were taken from the og manual like the teleport machines and et cetera

[heady trout]

Certain character traits are not tolerated if the character isn't super manly for some reason

[uneven dragon]

It’s honestly a horrible faith lie to say he “wasn’t even trying” to make “a faithful adaptation”, that’s an appalling level of disingenuous speech

[warm ibex]

you might be onto something...

[heady trout]

I was with you until you said "an appalling level of disingenuous speech" this some book shit

[uneven dragon]

doom fan when big words:

[heady trout]

Didn't we just have a funny talk about big words

[uneven dragon]

“Me no like how Horde lie about movie man” there

[unkempt dragon]

I don't really know what's been going on in here today, but the on and off antagonizing needs to stop. Now, please. Whether it's been intended or not.

[heady trout]

And how they don't really matter in comparison to normal words

[heady trout]

Yes, I do like bashing rocks against other rocks for fun after inventing the wheel for the first time

[uneven dragon]

Dude i actually love bashing rocks man

what’s your favourite rock to bash

[heady trout]

Rock type 1532

[uneven dragon]

I’m on that sedimentary shit rn

[heady trout]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-an-idea-croods-the-croods-grug-gif-16310881167093655388

[uneven dragon]

this is some good rock bashing

a solid A+ for your form here

[heady trout]

The neurons connecting in my head once the rocks break after I hit them hard enough with another rock

[warm ibex]

listen man I don't have anything against you but I'm not having these sorts of overly aggressive, unnecessarily demeaning conversations that all seem to be founded on some sort of misunderstanding, intentional or not. If you'd like to take it down a notch I'm perfectly fine with finishing the conversation

[uneven dragon]

i think I kind of made my point clear already :P

the director of annihilation never said he “didn’t even try to make a faithful adaptation” so im a bit baffled as to why you’d say that

[heady trout]

https://tenor.com/view/clear-i-made-myself-clear-i-believe-i-have-made-myself-clear-i-was-clear-gif-26874950

Spectre Pinky:

[uneven dragon]

If Doom 64 is really Hugo’s favourite game why aren’t the NuDoom Spectres yellow, checkmate Martin

[unkempt dragon]

Go to #general chat

[warm ibex]

Then maybe I misremembered, my apologies

[uneven dragon]

sorry I didn’t mean to come across as like super harsh you’re a cool fella

[warm ibex]

you're fine man

[heady trout]

This is the part where we look at the fire in the cave and tell stories of how we took down mammoths

Also back on Dark Ages, I'm enthralled into this games story way more than 2016 and Eternals

[uneven dragon]

It’s told a lot better than Eternal’s yeah

[frail bloom]

Oh I didn't know that interesting

[heady trout]

One thing I adore about modern Doom is just the Sentinels, genuinely my least complained part about modern Doom

[uneven dragon]

After replaying 2016 idk if I like TDA more than 2016 tho 2016 was just goated

It’s a simpler story though so you can’t really go wrong

[heady trout]

and then you tell me there's a new game centered around all that and I'm like dude fuck yes

[frail bloom]

Guys Hellbreaker on max sliders is hell

That one arena with the leader agaddon

Actual torture

[merry sapphire]

oh man what did i start 😭

[warm ibex]

it's been a rough day man, you didn't start anything 😭

[heady trout]

These past few days I've been looking at street lights weirdly, like "how do I parry the green light" and not "go forward"

[warm ibex]

you seem to have grown used to TDA since we last talked about it lol

[heady trout]

Green light...

[merry sapphire]

kinda missing doom tda content

is there a time frame for the dlc? it should be within a year from release right?

[warm ibex]

no time frame or anything and they didn't label this one "year one pass"

so could be any time! I guesstimate february - may next year

[merry sapphire]

since we paid for the dlc shouldnt there be a legally binding contract for a timeframe?

[meager vortex]

just we waiting

[merry sapphire]

not a release date necessarily, just an estimation of a time where id has to deliver the product

[meager vortex]

1 year or few month

but we don't know yet

[merry sapphire]

the dlc gotta be like 14 levels long minimum

[meager vortex]

main campaign 22 chapter

i think more than that

[warm ibex]

I know next to nothing about laws regarding that, especially in foreign countries, but they didn't specify a time frame at any point so I'd imagine the legal limit is probably longer than it'll take to release the dlc

assuming there is a legal waiting limit

[scenic lichen]

do we think that TDA will get a new melee?

cuz i think we basically have enough guns

[meager vortex]

crucible i hope

[warm ibex]

hugo seemed to think that 11 levels was a bit much when someone suggested it during the streams, so I'd say ten or less

never know though

[merry sapphire]

i mean i dont know either, but it kinda feels like there needs to be a system put in place for pre-orders and such. since we did pay for the dlc and own it

[scenic lichen]

11 is a lot

im expecting anywhere from 6-8

[merry sapphire]

i mean, id have no problem with 9 or 10 levels aslong as the levels are actually full feature length levels and not like a two parter short levels

they did not dissappoint with the length of levels in eternal's dlc and i doubt they will now to be honest, especially cause of the no time constraint (from what i see) and an actual work enviroment thats not affected by covid

hope we see some crazy new mechanical abilities that make you more mobile. hugo did hint something towards that according to Hato on twitter

[hearty edge]

i'm feeling 8

compared to the base campaign's 22 it feels like a good point

[solid nacelle]

I hope it's 8 so it adds up to a clean 30 total

I think eternal's level count ended up being 20 after dlc

[scenic lichen]

8 would be perfect

[uneven dragon]

14?!?!?!?!

[uneven dragon]

yeah 8 is a nice amount

i feel like thats just enough to be lengthy but not enough to have any filler levels

[warm ibex]

I hope we get a mech level with a new weapon

I'd like to see how they design a mech level with more abilities/weapons in mind since the balancing in Final Battle is a little wonky at the moment

[hearty edge]

what

[hearty edge]

i'd like some sort of other melee based weapon

rather than just the fists

[topaz oasis]

oh hell no, no more mech levels please, put the mech where it belongs 🗑️

next to Serrat's tomb

[merry sapphire]

well yeah

alright alright 11

considering that eternal dlc total level count was half of the main game levels

we can expect the same there, due to the increased price of it

[warm ibex]

I think they're pretty fun if you don't focus so hard on the fact that they aren't slayer levels lol

and not saying that's what you're doing, but treating them as fun ten-fifteen minute pacebreaker minigame segments makes them feel better in my experience

you get to beat the shit out of giant demons as a thirty story tall robot that's being controlled by the doom slayer, that's nuts

[topaz oasis]

nah, they're terrible for subsequent playthroughs, everytime I get to a mech section I just set the game to 150% speed and damage to demons 1000% so it ends quicker

and even then I feel they dont pass by quick enough lol

[warm ibex]

how come? I don't think the mech segments lose their appeal any faster than the same handful of enemy arrangements over and over again during standard gameplay

it's a perspective thing, at least in my opinion. mech segments can still have value if you look at it the right way, same with replaying late-game missions over and over again

[topaz oasis]

they definitely do, you have a whooping enemy variety of what? 3 different titans? during the mech sections, not to mention a severe lack of attack variety for the player and 2 lame extra weapons that play exactly the same

there's a big difference between the 3 titans you fight on a mech section and the the whole rooster of enemies and encounters you run into playing as the slayer

trasitioning from that to a mech section is just a pace killer

[obsidian shard]

The Mech sections are like 15 min tops a lil variety Never hurt anyone

[warm ibex]

but there's also a monumental difference between the ten minutes you spend in a mech and several hours you play as the slayer

[topaz oasis]

I'd rather play 10 extra minutes of slayer gameplay than a horribly repetitive mech section

[obsidian shard]

It's called a pace breaker for a reason

[obsidian shard]

There's only 3

Plus Gun sections in them change them up even more

[mystic barn]

The reason why TAG 1 and 2 released within the first year of DOOM Eternal’s launch is because they were apart of the Year One Pass. Australia (and I assume other countries around the world) has super strict consumer protection laws, so id Software had to publish those DLC’s within that timeframe (as a side note, this is also why the CE OST for Eternal was rushed). However, they’ve played it smart and not promised the DLC in a specific timeframe, just that you’ll get it when it comes out. They could release it in June next year and not violate consumer protection laws

[warm ibex]

bingo! thank you

I forgot to mention the Eternal stuff earlier

[topaz oasis]

a pace breaker would be a puzzle or exploration section like the ones you find on resurrection or siege pt.1

[obsidian shard]

Thank you DinosaurGoat

[obsidian shard]

Even more/different types of Pace Breakers are fine

And Good

[topaz oasis]

you can tackle those at your own pace and those have a lot more of extra things going on, the mech sections are just way too repetitive and feel like a chore

[obsidian shard]

The Atlan Segments are supposed to be completely different experience from being The Slayer and it does

[warm ibex]

which I think are ironically often far less entertaining than actively beating massive demons to death. I absolutely see where you're coming from there, but I'll personally take kicking titans in the face over throwing the shield at heated chain links any day

[obsidian shard]

There's also only 3 (1 per Act)

[cerulean pagoda]

if there will be atlan sections i hope they get improved

[frail bloom]

Lol imagine expecting 10 levels

[topaz oasis]

yeah, they are a completely different experience, a bad one lmao

[mystic barn]

To get back on topic, I like the idea of 8 levels. If we are hunting down The Order of the Six/Hell’s High Council, that would potentially mean 6 bosses, and I can imagine that would equate to one per level. Bosses usually show up towards the mid-late game (depending), so they’re probably the last 6 levels. I can imagine a mech level too, probably sitting in that second level spot, leaving the opening level as a reintroduction for players who haven’t picked up TDA after release

[frail bloom]

I expect like 6 imo

[frail bloom]

6 bosses???

[topaz oasis]

make it 8 levels so the whole game ends up with a round 30 for the total number of missions

[mystic barn]

Maybe! I’m just spitballing here

[frail bloom]

Holy moly

What abt enemies

That's like 10+ new ai to code in

Sounds crazy to me

I'm more leaning on 2 bosses and 6 enemy types with 3 being variants

And like 6+ levels

I'm not expecting 8 full fledged levels

[warm ibex]

I had previously theorized that the HUB's purpose is to allow us to select missions in whatever order we prefer excluding the first and last, eight feels about right for that

(if my theory ends up being right, I mean)

[frail bloom]

But I will happily take being wrong

[frail bloom]

Ye it's happening and it's awesome to hear

[mystic barn]

That’d be tight as fuck actually. I wonder how that would play with the cutscenes though. Hugo did say they’d be different

[frail bloom]

Also Dinoheretic you kinda made a name for yourself lol

Ppl expect to debate you in any video abt doom music

I ws in neural dsp's vid talking to a dude who @ you to let you know that they know you're "gonna debate them" or smt

Niche I know but I find it funny

They think you're a final boss or smt

[warm ibex]

he's the final boss of the DLC

[frail bloom]

Damn straight

Anyways sorry if I killed the mood I just say stupid stuff a lot

[unkempt dragon]

hi Samir

[frail bloom]

Just found it interesting

[frail bloom]

Herro

[unkempt dragon]

and Horde the goat

[frail bloom]

No he's a horse

[warm ibex]

I'm kinda surprised that theory has been a hit lol, but I hope it's true. Would be a tad bit underwhelming if they just made a smaller fortress of doom with resources unlocks

[frail bloom]

Get it right

[warm ibex]

Means a lot coming from THE goat

[unkempt dragon]

This is irrelevant but the Dyno emojis are so funny

[frail bloom]

Wait I didn't read that, tackling missions however you want??

I want it

[strong moth]

I did it! I unlocked the gold pants! My first UN ever! Also I agree the level order idea sounds radical.

[unkempt dragon]

Ethan? The one I used to write Doom stories with in here last year when my pfp was Elmo??

[frail bloom]

Choosing whatever mission sounds awesome

When do I reach goat status

[unkempt dragon]

Hmmm

nvm I don't have an answer.

[frail bloom]

Aw man

Bummer

[unkempt dragon]

I'm uncomfortable by General chat rn

[frail bloom]

Why what's hapening

[warm ibex]

Yeah, sorta shares the same structure as the open sandbox levels. tackle things in your own order until reaching the final objective, which is the same no matter what

[frail bloom]

I don't see nothing

Nvm💀

[unkempt dragon]

LMAO

was waiting for it

[frail bloom]

It was the last sentence

Oof

[unkempt dragon]

Sorry Horde. I'll quit interrupting

[warm ibex]

oh you're perfectly fine lol

[merry sapphire]

im also sorry horde,,,,

[warm ibex]

it's a public chat so no worries at all

[frail bloom]

So how would they balance that tho like how would cutscenes flow together, what would be the canon version of the events that occur?

How would you handle it or what matters, what doesn't, just curious

[warm ibex]

i forgive you shivero...

[merry sapphire]

thank you Horde Mode,,,

i Will Shave my Head to Atone

[warm ibex]

I honestly don't think that matters if the general story is just "Slayer kills Hell priests"

[frail bloom]

Hmm alr but how ould cutscenes flow into the next

Like if one dies, how do the others react

Are they all seperated?

[warm ibex]

all self-contained per level maybe

[frail bloom]

It's interesting to think abt

[green estuary]

you could have slightly different versions of the cutscenes if they were reached in different orders

[unkempt dragon]

Hi Katsu I see u

[frail bloom]

Oof that's a lot of work isn't it

[warm ibex]

or just different voicelines during boss battles

[green estuary]

yeah nothing too substantial, just enough to make the story kinda flow better

[frail bloom]

Do we even know all the members

I only know Kalibas

Is Erebus one?

[warm ibex]

they'll mention if you killed any of the other priests beforehand, cutscene itself can just be the slayer killing them and teleporting out (and acquiring whatever macguffin he needs to kill the final big bad lol)

[frail bloom]

How the hell is Kalibas supposed to move btw

[frail bloom]

Oh good idea

[warm ibex]

Movement

[frail bloom]

Fast and to the point

[frail bloom]

But I've seen the concept art he's a blob

He's just jelly

What I mean is like locomotion

How's he gonna walk

Do they have forklifts in hell

Get my boy Kalibas the Kreed chair

That chair looks awesome btw

No?

Ok

Moving on

How many enemies are we expecting total, excluding bosses

[green estuary]

you mean like new ones?

[frail bloom]

Like how many with completely new models and ai, and ones with new ai but are variants/reskins

Like an imp stalker is completely different from a regular imp but a stone imp is a variant enemy of an imp

A battle knight is just a variant of the hell knight

Unlike the dreadknight in eternal, who has new ai and a completely new model

Smt like that

[green estuary]

I really hope they keep the reskins to a minimum
(with the exception of a baron of hell, pretty please)

[frail bloom]

For me I think 3 completely enemies is ok and 3 variants is also ok

Would be better if all had new models

[green estuary]

archvile, pain elemental, maybe a vassago or something like that and I'll be happy

[frail bloom]

Archvile, pain elemental, gargoyle, vassago

Maybe a spidermastermind

I miss them

[frail bloom]

My boi is missing

[green estuary]

just so long as they ditch the chaingun lol

[frail bloom]

The arachnotron already has it

[green estuary]

yeah hence why the mastermind shouldn't

[frail bloom]

Spidermastermind needs like telekinesis or smt

[green estuary]

we got too much hitscan n shit

[frail bloom]

Smt new and different

Plus would be cool if it was paired with a vagary

[mystic barn]

Haha, sorry dude, I’m not the same guy

[mystic barn]

HAHAHAHA awesome

[frail bloom]

Ye they anticipate your arrival

Rip this community

[unkempt dragon]

😭

[gusty seal]

a spider mastermind that spawns lesser ones, arachnatrons with their chain guns, and then can also burrow under ground to avoid taking damage and resurface behind you or anywhere really. its attack would be like a close range fire attack or area of denial, since the adds he will spawn take care of long range

https://tenor.com/view/crab-spider-mexican-dance-gif-25806854

and yes include the sombrero

[frail bloom]

Oh no more areas of denial

Rip my sanity

[mystic barn]

Just had a look. It’s this goober dude that I’ve had interactions with before. Not really worth my time

[frail bloom]

You have? The Ethan-verse is expansive jeez

Some crazy lore I ain't aware of

[mystic barn]

It’s nowhere near as exciting as it seems lol. He finds me everywhere he goes now. He found me in a comment section of one of my old friend’s YouTube channels

[obsidian shard]

Australians and Hard Rock/Metal Music I swear

[frail bloom]

That's actually hilarious

[obsidian shard]

Y'all know smth we don't

Oof

[frail bloom]

Scooby just try the screenshots tab

[obsidian shard]

3rd times The charm?

[frail bloom]

And paste the link here

I said screenshots

[obsidian shard]

Gotta scroll to the Media section

[frail bloom]

Like this

#screenshots message

Do what I did

@obsidian shard do one that's "absolute hugo"

We should get hugo to do the pose next stream

We HAVE TO no question

[obsidian shard]

Yes that's genius

WE MUST

[frail bloom]

MUST

[obsidian shard]

@harsh egret we have a job to do

[frail bloom]

I think Hato is napping rn

[obsidian shard]

Absolute Directing

[obsidian shard]

Darn

Rip

[frail bloom]

Ye he lives in Europe

Like a bum

[obsidian shard]

Ye I know, wdym a Bum, half the DOOMfies I know are in Europe or South America

[frail bloom]

Nothing I was kidding lmao

Or am I

[obsidian shard]

Up here in Canada

Only thing for merch that kills me is the Exchange rates

Oml

[frail bloom]

Your wallet should have its own voice

At this point

[obsidian shard]

More Records please

[gusty seal]

i got put on time out for the thatcher wad pic of the spider demon with a cyber demon upper torso. gonna check that old skool mod out though now lol

[unkempt dragon]

hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @unkempt dragon.

[gusty seal]

bad vega i found a nice dark age spider demon rework on reddit 😮

so, what if we had a lovecraftian clown like acoltyle that turns into a spider and back ? 🎈

we got lovecraft, why not steven king too now 😄

[meager vortex]

chthluhu is dead by doom slayer

titan demons killed by slayer too

hello vega

[gusty seal]

was just playing brutal doom. just saw flynn taggart's hand fly off after death as he screamed in pain 😮

[obsidian shard]

Do you mean The Vagary or the Arachnotron/Ballistatron?

[gusty seal]

it was like a vagary

sent u it

[obsidian shard]

That's The official Concept Art for The demons/the Final Iteration of them too!

[gusty seal]

🤣

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DamMm2i8BoY

so is the legend true? of the secret weapon in dark ages>

i dont want to touch it if it breaks my save or whatver

did it on ripatorium to be safe, so just give all and thats it the nova? gonna try now

https://tenor.com/view/nope-sponge-bob-i-cant-gif-6905756

[toxic pumice]

gonna crash out. just tryna make doom work on linux and now denuvo is being a dong

[uneven dragon]

You got ghosted :<

[wheat sigil]

hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @wheat sigil.

[meager vortex]

i don't care

[obsidian shard]

hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @obsidian shard.

[random sand]

hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @random sand.

[gusty seal]

hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @gusty seal.

[gusty seal]

guess it is a vagary lol

idk the pic and angle made it seem like a variation of it, oh well

[grizzled thicket]

Hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @grizzled thicket.

[harsh egret]

hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @harsh egret.

[frosty roost]

hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @frosty roost.

[hollow pecan]

bro i want this game but i only have 20 bucks😭🙏

[random sand]

better save up then

[hollow pecan]

yeahhhh but what if i like to buy monster

[random sand]

figure out your priorities

[hollow pecan]

i alr got all the dooms i need

ig

[random sand]

doom tda is the best one yet (imo) and my goty

[hollow pecan]

got it

might buy it later

[uneven dragon]

hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @uneven dragon.

[uneven dragon]

💔

[undone girder]

I like Eternal more but yea Dark Ages is one of the best imo

[cerulean pagoda]

dark ages is 2nd best

but i like eternal a little bit more

[obsidian shard]

I have an idea for the DLC Music

FM remakes "Intermission from Doom"

[obsidian cliff]

WHEN DOES ENYONE THINK THE NEXT DOOM GAME MIGHT COME OUT

[obsidian shard]

5-6 years from now

[obsidian cliff]

yea true what will it be even abt ya think

[solid nacelle]

203X

I could imagine a game that takes place during the civil war, or entirely during the period where the slayer is trapped in hell

Where he's rampaging by himself

[obsidian shard]

Civil War or Codex/testaments is my guess

[obsidian cliff]

ye

[obsidian shard]

Also i would Say Finishing Move are our Composers for the Franchise now!

[obsidian cliff]

ye alot of ppl said dark ages were bad i wouldnt say it was

[obsidian shard]

More of a loud minority

Hate always spreads faster

[obsidian cliff]

ye thats why i hate ppl who do it

[meager vortex]

2100years

[obsidian cliff]

ha

[meager vortex]

joking you know right? lol

[obsidian cliff]

ik dw

[rotund rune]

Man they really butchered the game

I just tried the 1st dragon mission after a long time

And they removed the entire first part of it, if you don't have the tutorials on

[remote canopy]

Ok I'm not sure but i think that makes u unable to do the quest for 3 ships

[warm ibex]

now we just sayin shit

that was one of the most requested dragon changes 💀

[remote canopy]

Why's the intro part actually so long

[warm ibex]

Gotta get new players used to the controls and mechanics before throwing them into a huge open area

[remote canopy]

Also they still haven't fixed the bug in siege part 1 ✌🏼

I reported it like twice already

[warm ibex]

which bug?

[rotund rune]

I just meant they cut the game literally, not made it worse lol

[rotund rune]

And no

[remote canopy]

At the last secret of the game,after killing the vagary and the hell knight,the secret door still doesn't open
Also kinda happens for the first wolf statue but it only happened to me once

[remote canopy]

Where's the third ship tho? one is roaming forever,and one is in the tentacle where's the last

[rotund rune]

In the other tentacle

[remote canopy]

Never spawned for me

[warm ibex]

If you've submitted a ticket at help.bethesda.net then I'm sure they've given it a look

just gotta wait for the next patch

[remote canopy]

Did

[warm ibex]

if it's not fixed after the next round of bug fixes give me an @ and I'll send in a report

[remote canopy]

K

[rotund rune]

It always had. This map had 4 ships before

It's also a pity they removed one dreadnought from the 1st dragon mission

I'll miss him

[grizzled thicket]

Damn

[frail bloom]

I think the use of the word butchered implies massacred, messy and like only bad stuff

You coulda just said "cut"

💀

[rotund rune]

So a butcher is a bad thing now?

[frail bloom]

In what way has the word butchered been used in a good sense

Let's be frank here

[rotund rune]

The guy who cuts meat?

[frail bloom]

[mystic barn]

If I butchered a guitar solo, what do you think that means?

[frail bloom]

Hmmmm

Erm I wonder what it could mean

[rotund rune]

Isn't butcher the guy who cuts meat and sell?

I thought in English we could use this verb as a synonym of cut lol

[frail bloom]

People use the word butchered to describe a messy process of removing something

Like cutting pig meat

No, I am not dissing butchers

But the use of the word butcher implies a more negative connotation compared to the word "cut" which can simply just mean removing something

[warm ibex]

I get why you'd think that lol

but no, "butchered" usually just means "fucked up really badly" when used outside of its actual context

[midnight cedar]

Yep

[cursive grotto]

Dms rn

[rotund rune]

I kinda meant that because it was such a huge cut imo, I don't remember seeing a single player game removing an entire section like that after launch, even tho it's optional. I mean it's for the better, but I was very used to it so a big surprise

But yeah I meant more in the sense of a big weird cut rather than a negative thing. But I didn't mind flying through there

Thanks for the explanation

I might say something controversial but I think this game needed some level limitation in the upgrades. It's weird how you can have a max level or gauntlet by chapter 5 or earlier, it makes the game so much easier

It's also weird to have maxed out items in the early game

Or maybe I'm too bad used with Eternal and 2016 demanding too much in order to have any item maxed out

[heady trout]

While I suffered a bunch in the first hell level I very much was pumped up by Infernal Chasm

Much like The Only Thing They Fear is You

Is it just me or do they re use the same fight songs alot in this game?

Kind of like 2016

[rotund rune]

They do

[heady trout]

And Eternal with Meat hook

Seriously I understand having music for Argent D'nur but meat hook got old real fast

Play something else please

[rotund rune]

Infernal Chasm appears in many infernal levels and when the demons appear in siege part 1 cutscene. From the Ashes reapers in the final Azrack fight

[obsidian shard]

Infernal Chasm Appears 3 times
Blood Red Twice
Unholy Siege twice
Pursuit of Demons Twice
Hellspawn Rift Twice
Into the Void Twice
What Lies Below Twice
Atlan Battleground Twice
Unchained Predator Once
Ancestral Beast Once
Batte on the Blackened TIde Once
Steel Beyond the Grave Once
Colussus Unleashed Once

(This is for how many levels)

[heady trout]

What

It felt way more than this

[frail bloom]

I mean imagine composing 22 different combat tracks

I'd go crazy

[obsidian shard]

Cutscenes are Different Prince Ahzraks Music is "The Prince" which is the "Infernal Chasm" Ambience

[frail bloom]

It's understandable

But for dlc I hope each level has its own track

[heady trout]

It's not that it's not understandstandable

[obsidian shard]

You also have the Leitmotifs

Kreed, Thira, The Slayer

Sentinels

[heady trout]

I swear for the first levels up till the hell level I didn't hear more than two different fight songs

[frail bloom]

Music carried the story lmao

[obsidian shard]

It Freaking ROCKED the Story

[heady trout]

It Slayed

[frail bloom]

There was unchained predator, atlan battle grounds, blood red, unholy siege, and now infernal chasm

[obsidian shard]

What Samir said

[frail bloom]

How can you not hear the difference lmao

[heady trout]

Maybe I'm just insane

[heady trout]

Too busy learning the gameplay loop I suppose?

[obsidian shard]

If it was before update 2 than that's understandable

[frail bloom]

This is after

[frail bloom]

You're playing after update 2 right

Update two was in august

[heady trout]

I started playing a week ago

[obsidian shard]

tbf i think the standard Volume settings are ASS

[heady trout]

I must have been too focused on the learning that I wasn't focusing on the music

I changed them to listen to the music more

[heady trout]

Happened with Eternal too ngl

[obsidian shard]

ye I have:
Music 100%
Sound Effects 65%
Voice 75%

the Slayers weapons and stuff are loud asf

[obsidian shard]

First Eternal run for me i could barely hear the music and didnt understand the hype until i turned it up!

[uneven dragon]

🤷‍♀️

it's less noticeable than meathook repeating here tbh

cause like when a song repeats it's usually a level set in the same place

like atlan battleground plays twice but both levels are on hebeth and right next to each other

[rotund rune]

How did you know it already? You counted now lol?

What are people's opinions on Siege part 2 change @warm ibex ? I used to like the horde of demons we fought in the end of the level

[obsidian shard]

DOOM wiki helps, but i had it memerized

[frail bloom]

I'd rather a level have its own individual track, plus I wasn't considering two parters,

I don't think we're getting two parters

Or maybe we will, who knows really

If there are two parters I can excuse it

But like 6+ tracks would be awesome

We might see cosmic realm levels and hell levels

So we might get some more cosmic realm esque tracks and of course more hell tracks

Ngl a big task for FM

[warm ibex]

I actually haven't heard anyone talk about any Siege 2 changes lol

[frail bloom]

What change

Horde of demons?

At the end of the level?

[warm ibex]

It didn't seem any different last time I played it

[frail bloom]

What?

I never noticed a horde of demons

I know abt the last arena, which is really hard

But it's right next to the exit

[warm ibex]

but then again I can't remember what it was like prior to update 2

[frail bloom]

They should remake message for the archvile and make it the dlc menu theme music

Or they should make it the theme of the council

PLEAASEE I BEG

[obsidian shard]

Holy peak fuck yea

[frail bloom]

Shawn's got the shotgun should also be remade

[rotund rune]

In the last fight of the level, when you stepped in the hangar it'd come an army of demons towards you, you'd fight a Cyberdemon and some hell knights and then a mini boss armored knight with more knights. They removed the army of fodder

[frail bloom]

The riffage would be peak

[frail bloom]

No it's still there

I was playing on max sliders like last week

[rotund rune]

You got a literal army of fodder to kill with skull crusher it was so fun

[frail bloom]

I saw an army of fodder

Like soldiers right?

[rotund rune]

I just played the level. It just had 4 shield soldiers

[frail bloom]

There were like 20-30 packed in one spot

[frail bloom]

Well this is conflicting

[obsidian shard]

ye

[frail bloom]

Cuz I played siege last week

And the last arena had a giant army packed into one spot

[obsidian shard]

i Played on Saturday NERD

[rotund rune]

They also removed the 2 big imps we had before jumping in the hangar. Now you have a single stalker imp

[frail bloom]

Well I saw that

[rotund rune]

I filmed the level. I can show you. Just a sec

[frail bloom]

Maybe either mine or yours is bugged

[rotund rune]

There's still a big group of fodder, but smaller and they're in a different spot. Closer to the Cyberdemon

[uneven dragon]

I think p much 90% of repeating tracks in TDA is cause of it being a 2 parter

[frail bloom]

Oh so maybe that's it

[frail bloom]

Ye basically

Idk if I expect two parters in the dlc, like maybe one two parter?

In that case I can understand that

Also depends on how much levels there are

I expect like 6+, so at least 5+ tracks

Or "hope"

Don't really know what to expect

Also dark ages came out 5 months ago

Crazy

[rotund rune]

@frail bloom you can see on 26:00 how many they were
https://youtu.be/zwFsn9r6CxU?si=WcpUHncECTqi-kfF

[obsidian shard]

Still playing it!

[dark thunder]

Peak game

Imma do a pandemonium run again I made it to siege part 1 before I deleted it lol

[frail bloom]

Ye that's what I saw

Is your fov 90?

[rotund rune]

https://youtu.be/2m5v47eNe9Y?si=I73wME5b0C0yLv2_
27:15 this is how it is now

[uneven dragon]

If there’s any mech levels or other new gimmick levels they will be 2 parters probs

[rotund rune]

@frail bloom @obsidian shard see the difference?

[obsidian shard]

I finally got lossess Quality on spotify

[frail bloom]

Huh

[frail bloom]

Does it affect earbuds btw

Or just headphones

Also does it auto equip I'm not sure on how to have it on

[rotund rune]

This difference is old, because the first video I made of it was in july, 19, I was going to post on Reddit but forgot

[rotund rune]

Isn't your game like in the 2nd video?

[obsidian shard]

Everything from my understanding! Its wokring on my Xbox to my speakers

[frail bloom]

Ye but I saw way more

Maybe muh game bugged

[obsidian shard]

but Records just got smth else to em

[frail bloom]

I died on thst encounter like 30 times so smt prob got bugged

[frail bloom]

Ye explains why the ost feels so peak to listen to

[rotund rune]

In my game I saw more fodder too, but no imps for example, just more soldier next to the Cyberdemon

[frail bloom]

So crystal clear I can hear my reflection

[frail bloom]

Game is prob bugged

[obsidian shard]

I Just got it Today (In Canada) And my lord its sooo good

[frail bloom]

ROOOOAOA

[rotund rune]

So was it like in the 1st or 2nd video?

[obsidian shard]

2nd one

[rotund rune]

Yeah as I thought

[obsidian shard]

But i had a load of zombies

[rotund rune]

Crazy I was the only one here who noticed the difference back then

I mean I'm probably playing the campaign for the 8th or 10th time now considering I played 4 or 5 in a row when the game released. I might have the original game mapped in my head lol

[obsidian shard]

Ive just been replaying the Hell levels and Cosmic realms levels

the Music drives me like a SOB

Same with Khalim

[red gazelle]

Sorry are you talking about dark ages?

[frail bloom]

No we're talking abt enchiladas

Duh

[rotund rune]

I rarely replay levels in the same save for fun, mostly just the stomach level and the last 2 for personal challenges. The stomach level has some insane arena potential. But I usually exclude a save and start everything again

[obsidian shard]

ye

[frail bloom]

Lol

[rotund rune]

With the exception of those 3 I'm not sure if I have favorites. I like all my sons the same

[red gazelle]

Sorry, it's like a mod of the originals? i'd like to start again at playing Doom by retrying tda on ultra Nightmare

[obsidian shard]

well 300% damage to Slayer and 50% to demons makes almost everything hard

[frail bloom]

I was kidding.

[obsidian shard]

Apoligize

NOW

[frail bloom]

Sorry

[rotund rune]

Why 300% lol? It's not as if 250% wasn't lethal enough, you can get 2 tapped so easily in regular nightmare lol

[frail bloom]

Try 500%

[rotund rune]

This is a good difference

[red gazelle]

how hard Is tda ultra Nightmare?

[obsidian shard]

Because I find 250 too easy, 300% is perfect for me

[obsidian shard]

Easier that eternal, harder than 2016 imo

[red gazelle]

i once arrived like at the seventh mission

It sucked

[obsidian shard]

ya thats the turning point

[rotund rune]

People usually say 2016 has the hardest un lol

[red gazelle]

maybe One day i'll try It again

[obsidian shard]

Really? for me its Eternal, 2016 was a breeze after you got the ssg and gauze canon for me

[green estuary]

problem is that you die in 2 hits before you get there

eternal at least lets you recover resources, 2016 is just like
"5 hp per glory kill, take it or leave it"

[red gazelle]

isn't eternal UN hard like until cultist base?

[obsidian shard]

tbf i was a sissy lil bitch till then, straight hiding lmao

[rotund rune]

I believe the problem isn't ur DPS, but not getting hit

[green estuary]

it's not easy at any point per se
but cultist base and doom hunter base are the two hardest levels

[red gazelle]

yeah

[obsidian shard]

I kept dying at Cultist base, those damn Mancubi

[green estuary]

80 damage per fireball lol

[red gazelle]

do you have any tips?

[green estuary]

target the arm cannons asap

also spam rockets

[obsidian shard]

None for Eternal, but i do or TDA

[red gazelle]

you completed both on un?

[obsidian shard]

only TDA

[red gazelle]

oh ok

[obsidian shard]

and 2016

not Eternal, i dont even wanna try TAG 1

[red gazelle]

tag it's easier

[cerulean pagoda]

the corridor where theres the spinny blade things?

[red gazelle]

and i'd Say more funny also

[obsidian shard]

ye

after I got past that it was the Pit

[heady trout]

2016 early game UN is like the Slayer is made of fucking foam

[cerulean pagoda]

i gotchu, kill the first one, as the other one spawns on top of hte platform and the one spawns in the corridor, go in front, hide behind cover(as wierd as that seems in a doom game), wait till they walk towards you, if you see an imp trying to kill you, chainsaw it, wait till the manacubi walk towards the spinny blade things, shoot the spinny blade thing to kill both of them, if you miss one, dw, throw in a frag grenade, blood punch(as you destroy a weak point) into a falter, and as that closes in you can spray him with sticky bombs and just in case youre damaged flame belch him before you kill him so you have defense points for the next fight with the platform that goes up and down with the soldiers and right behind is an arachnotron

[wheat sigil]

basically, stay away from mancs, kill them with traps

[rotund rune]

What makes tda easy is how upgrade progression is much faster

[obsidian shard]

Also almost EVERYTHING you do can basically deal damage or stagger demons

[rotund rune]

You can kill anything so easily and fast with just ur hands lol

[obsidian shard]

Jumping from anything above standard jump height staggers too

[rotund rune]

Yeah but I think what's more fucked up is the damage. You can kill a Cyberdemon or an agaddon so easily by just spamming melee after a block

[frail bloom]

Well I don't care if it's fun it's fun

[obsidian shard]

ong

TDA is imo the most fun modern DOOM Game

[frail bloom]

Plus it really helps on max sliders

If I didn't have my melee nearly as strong I'm cooked

[obsidian shard]

Also sliders in general mean you can have ita nyway you want

[frail bloom]

Fried

Baked

[rotund rune]

100%

I do like it, I just find it an insane concept how much damage we can do with a default equipment which is almost always available

[obsidian shard]

Realizing this week may be the Final Hugo Stream

[rotund rune]

Why is he stopping?

[undone girder]

He's at the final 2 levels

And is gonna release a patch when done

[rotund rune]

Wait just now? I thought he was replaying the campaign already

[undone girder]

He has been lol, he's almost donr

[obsidian shard]

Hes gonna beat it

2 levels left

Final battle and Reckoning

[undone girder]

And FB is a pretty small level

[obsidian shard]

and Final Battle is fairly short

so it'll probably be 2 levels

[frail bloom]

We gotta go out with a bang

Dlc concept art🙏

Or not that's ok too

(But it would be super cool)

[undone girder]

I'd love to see a peek of a dlc enemy

[frail bloom]

Same

[undone girder]

Highly unlikely till a trailer hits tho

[obsidian shard]

PLEASE

[frail bloom]

PLS

[obsidian shard]

or Name Drop

[frail bloom]

Name drop would be awesome

[obsidian shard]

Hugo promised us somthing for the final stream

[frail bloom]

What would the name be

[frail bloom]

He did?

[undone girder]

Depends on what it may focus on

[frail bloom]

Call it

Doom: Dominion

Or Doom: Divine

[obsidian shard]

ye, begininng of last stream

[obsidian shard]

DOOM: SneakyJaycool

[undone girder]

My guess is something like The Eldritch Legends or something lol

[frail bloom]

Wait what's the timestamp

[obsidian shard]

holy peak

[frail bloom]

OH MIH GOF PEEEAK

[obsidian shard]

idk dawg, it was in like first 30 mins during the merch people were asking about dlc and any news for the game

so we could get Anything

from a nothing burger to a full trailer

[frail bloom]

Well we'll find out soon

[frail bloom]

There is no such thing as nothing burger news for dlc

Except if Hugo says it twice

Then I crash out inside just a lil, a lil bit

Like a tiny bit

I remember when he kept talking abt the slo mo slider

[obsidian shard]

DOOM: The Boyle Ages

[frail bloom]

"ok dawg I get it"

[undone girder]

I'm guessing we can get a short trailer on stream and later on a full trailer

Or a title reveal

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/hugo-martin-doom-eternal-dark-ages-happy-yay-gif-13218051490774665565

[frail bloom]

Lol I don't expect anything for a whiiille

ID at this point likes to drop full trailers

No teasers or anything

[undone girder]

Yea I expect it to release like. around Q1 26 lol

[frail bloom]

Ye same

[obsidian shard]

if its a name reveal or Trailer Samir gets TDA CD

[frail bloom]

Hm

I feel like you said this once already

Does Hugo saying mobility count as dlc news

It does, WHERE'S MUH CD

Give me battle on the blackened tide

I've opened up to it a lil

[obsidian shard]

Nuh uh

[frail bloom]

Yuh uh

[obsidian shard]

I said Name reveal

[frail bloom]

Ohhhh

[obsidian shard]

unless its Called the Mobile Ages

then you get 2

[frail bloom]

Oh boi oh boi

Aw man I hope they do music teasers aswell

[wheat sigil]

dark ages but more movement than eternal...😭

[frail bloom]

FM dropping those lil snippets were so peak

Anyone remember that

[obsidian shard]

I will fiend for that shit

[undone girder]

The Ancient Dark Gods Ages (Eternal)

[obsidian shard]

it was peak

[frail bloom]

I know you remember

We were rabid

[undone girder]

Hell yea

[frail bloom]

When WTSFL dropped

[undone girder]

Was listening to that for like weeks on end lol

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

Absolute Doom

[obsidian shard]

it was WTSFL and Infernal Chasm

[frail bloom]

My jaw dropped when I heard it

[obsidian shard]

oml

[undone girder]

Blood Red is my favorite tho idk if Infernal Chasm or Into The Void is my 2nd

[frail bloom]

Blood Red sounds like a classic doom track

[obsidian shard]

Battle on the blacked tide is peak asf

[frail bloom]

Just simple rip and tearin vibes

[obsidian shard]

Its Andrew's fav!

[frail bloom]

Peak

Ye I would loove some new one minute snippets

[undone girder]

Andrew takin another W (he has dozens)

[obsidian shard]

I got Alex following me now which is pretty peak

[undone girder]

A LOT of TDA tracks sound like classic Doom

[obsidian shard]

He is just soo cool dude

[frail bloom]

I heard Alex was talking abt the dlc tracks?

[undone girder]

Alex is fucking awesome

[frail bloom]

Like he was taking suggestions?

[undone girder]

I love all his work

[frail bloom]

Or feedback I wanna see