the-dark-ages

[wheat sigil]

damage maxing isn't as important when every gun already deals half a million damage

[obsidian shard]

If im running a Armor Get Up, i def will, otherwise i thinks its coolest of the 3 but also the weakest!

A Unbreakable Flail is sick asf

[cursive grotto]

Btw @midnight cedar this is his final ranking:

S+: BFC
S: Shield, ssg, ravager, dreadmace
A: Combat shotgun, rocket launcher
B: Shredder, cycler, accelerator, pulverizer, chainshot, flail, grenade launcher
C: Power gauntlet, impaler

[obsidian shard]

BRO WTF IS THAT

[midnight cedar]

I would still rather deal even more damage and absolutely destroy everything on my path but that’s just what works for me

[obsidian shard]

SHIELD IS SS+

Literaly cant beat the game without it

[midnight cedar]

You three make good points and I do get why some might use the flail

But it’s personally not my first option

[obsidian shard]

Same

[midnight cedar]

Bro what

[obsidian shard]

at the end of the Day play how you wanna play

[midnight cedar]

Impaler at C?

[cursive grotto]

Impaler and gauntlet in C is the craziest shit i've ever seen

Charged impaler headshots wreck everything

[wheat sigil]

balanced

[obsidian shard]

With Gauntlets

Ahzrak gets a Fisting of a lifetime with that getup

[midnight cedar]

Consider that this was probably close to release

[cursive grotto]

Also the shield not automatically being in S+ is insane too

[obsidian shard]

Fun Fact: The Dread-Mace is the Only Melee that can Stun Empowered Ahzrak!

[midnight cedar]

Meaning the Impaler + dreadmace combo was still literally the most op shit ever

[cursive grotto]

I personally wouldn't put anything else above the shield

Considering the game isn't beatable without the shield as far as i know

Atleast on nightmare

[midnight cedar]

That’s why I always switch to dreadmace during boss fights in general

[midnight cedar]

I just realized that the shield was on the list

And it was below the bfc

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[wheat sigil]

depends on how you rank

[cursive grotto]

That's what i love about the dark ages

[wheat sigil]

on a per-use basis for the bfc, it is absolutely highest

[cursive grotto]

Most people if not everyone can respect every weapon and build while rocking their own too

[wheat sigil]

but taking into account ammo, shielf beats it

[cursive grotto]

I personally love the flail and use it often but also get why others might not use it

[midnight cedar]

I disagree completely

The game is very easily beatable without the bfc

Without the shield? Not so much

[obsidian shard]

Slayer Jump is Easily the Best in the game

[midnight cedar]

Same

I love having discussions like this

[cursive grotto]

I didn't even use the BFC once on my first 3 playthroughs excluding the very first encounter that spawns like 20 trillion things

[midnight cedar]

It’s interesting to see that people are using guns I haven’t considered useful

Melee and runes too

[midnight cedar]

I only use it when I’m not confident or can’t be asked

[midnight cedar]

You know what?

He’s right

The slayers jump solos

[cursive grotto]

It's such a minor thing but i love how weighty and strong the slayer feels in this game

We've always heard how OP he is physically in the lore but never really saw it in gameplay

[midnight cedar]

The sound design in this game while not perfect is still one of the things I think tops eternal

[cursive grotto]

The fact that his normal punches are just wet noodle strikes in eternal don't help either

[midnight cedar]

2016 still is better for me (maybe because of nostalgia)

[cursive grotto]

But here you can have an all out fist fight with cyberdemons and agaddons it's so awesome

And the fact that the slayer landing basically causes an earthquake is great

[obsidian shard]

So Glad Update 2 Fixed the Music, Its like a different game, Infernal Chasm Chugs is Incredible

[midnight cedar]

Yeah melee combat in this game is such a game changer

[midnight cedar]

I love it

I immediately noticed the change and I’ve fallen in love with the soundtrack

[obsidian shard]

EXACTLY

[midnight cedar]

Again

Every play through reminds me why I love colossus unleashed

[obsidian shard]

Finishing Move COOKED and they OWN ME (Bought the CD, 2LP, 4LP of the Ost)

[cursive grotto]

I played 2016 after eternal and dark ages and it just feels so slow and sluggish in comparison to me

And has way less depth

[midnight cedar]

And theomachy

[cursive grotto]

It's basically just ''shoot mfs until they die''

No cool mechanics, no movement, no strategy

[obsidian shard]

Also they are Super Chill about the OST and what instruments they used

[midnight cedar]

Can’t agree on depth but I can agree for the most part

[cursive grotto]

Nothing really

[obsidian shard]

(Grass)

[midnight cedar]

Movement speed in eternal feels so strange to me in a way it hasn’t felt before

[cursive grotto]

May i know why you can't agree on it lacking depth?

[midnight cedar]

When eternal came out I remember people saying that 2016 felt slow but I never could relate

But now eternal feels weird

[midnight cedar]

Mmmm yes, grass

[cursive grotto]

Eternal is easily one of if not most skillful FPS games ever, and dark ages has alot of stuff too like faltering, deciding if you should block or take the damage, melee etc

[obsidian shard]

Im not kidding they synthsized Grass

[cursive grotto]

It feels like 2016 had nothing

[midnight cedar]

Eternal just has so many intricate mechanics and it feels like they all add up to this very well polished and intricate experience

Plus it also has a stupid amount of tech

[obsidian shard]

It Feels Bland compared to Eternal in TDA due to the Depth of Combat!

(my opinion)

[midnight cedar]

I have over 1.8k hours on eternal but there’s stuff I have yet to learn

[cursive grotto]

Yeah? I'm talking about 2016 lacking depth compared to eternal and TDA

[midnight cedar]

Oh

[cursive grotto]

Eternal has practically an infinite amount of depth

[midnight cedar]

I’m dumb

[cursive grotto]

And dark ages has a ton too

[obsidian shard]

Realistically tho, they are all good, and its all down to preference!

[midnight cedar]

But yeah TDA and Eternal have a shit ton of depth compared to 2016

[midnight cedar]

Wait what?

2016 is pretty basic since it was just trying to revitalize interest in boomer shooters

So combat is very basic and simplistic

Also very poorly balanced if you want to add that lol

[obsidian shard]

Yup Finishing Move Synthisized Grass!

[cursive grotto]

Playing 2016 after eternal and dark ages (no shield bash, no meathook, no sprint, no dash 💔)

[obsidian shard]

among Other Weird Instruments they Used

[cursive grotto]

Feels like i can't move

[midnight cedar]

That’s some very interesting information

I don’t know what to do with it

[midnight cedar]

For me it’s still fun due to the sheer nostalgia I have for it

But it’s very simple and after you get to a certain point it just becomes spamming siege mode

[cursive grotto]

I remember spamming double shot ssg and remote det rocket

Maybe i just used the wrong guns or something

[midnight cedar]

Remote det rocket absolutely shreds barons

[midnight cedar]

Nope siege mode, remote det, and ssg double shot are just the most op weapons in the game

Maybe there’s more but that’s what I noticed

[cursive grotto]

Dude imagine if we had a double shot SSG in dark ages LOL

One shots the whole game

[midnight cedar]

Oh god

That would be genuinely unstoppable

[cursive grotto]

The ssg has had a weird history in TDA's so far short history

When i first played the game in june it felt op as shit

Then it felt weak after update 2

[obsidian shard]

OP - Weak- Good spot

[cursive grotto]

And now it feels good again

[midnight cedar]

Ssg history in a nutshell

[cursive grotto]

I swear release SSG was a mini-nuke

[obsidian shard]

It was BUSTED

[cursive grotto]

The fact that it one shot hell knights is still insane to me

[midnight cedar]

Tsar bomba*

[obsidian shard]

I play on 50% Damage to Demons Still and Switching to 100% feels like cheating 😭

[cursive grotto]

I play base nightmare but just at 120% speed

Feels much better that way to me

Maybe i'll try challenging myself later with some crazy slider settings

[obsidian shard]

Anything Higher than 100% feels really weird to me

[cursive grotto]

Also yes i play with 100% slow-mo call me a maniac if you want

[obsidian shard]

Basically my settings are:

300% Damage to Slayer
50% Damage to Demons

Resource Second Highest (Or Highest depends on my mood)

Rest is Standard Nightmare!

[midnight cedar]

My sliders are basically
Speed: 130%
Damage to demons: 75%
Damage to Player: 300%
Daze Duration: 50%
Resource values: low
Projectile speed: max
Parry window: lowest
Atlan dodge window: lowest
Enemy aggression: max
Life sigils: 0
Parry and melee slow motion: 0%

[cursive grotto]

Life sigils are so annoying i always turn them off on new playthroughs

Me when a random popup appears before i actually die

''Hey you're dead wanna use a life sigil''

[midnight cedar]

Same, they are very weird

[cursive grotto]

They're better than eternal's for sure but it still feels weird

[midnight cedar]

Btw I just checked out how many flail hits it takes to kill a Hell knight

[cursive grotto]

Would be much better if they appeared AFTER you die

[midnight cedar]

Spoiler warning

It takes 7

[midnight cedar]

I think you should have an option to turn off the popup

It just interrupts the flow of combat entirely

[cursive grotto]

Feels weird that it does that little damage given that the hits feel super punchy and powerful

[wheat sigil]

with infinite ammo bfc it'd be really easy still, with normal bfc it wouldn't
so it depends on if you rank the bfg on a per use basis or with ammo consumption in mind

[cursive grotto]

The sound effect makes you think you're hitting hard but you aren't

[midnight cedar]

I would say even if you rank it with both in mind the shield still beats it out for me

But again it depends on the person

[midnight cedar]

It genuinely feels like I’m doing something wrong

But it keeps taking so long to kill 1 hell knight

That’s the only thing I think it needs

Give it a minor damage buff to make it viable but not more powerful than the gauntlet

[cursive grotto]

Just give it a damage buff and the flail becomes perfect

[midnight cedar]

Agreed

[cursive grotto]

I do love using it for constant armor restacking and armor destroying but damn it does 0 damage lol

[midnight cedar]

It does perfect damage on armor

[cursive grotto]

And the audacity of that guy to claim that the power gauntlet does quote ''no damage'' and immediately becomes ''obsolote when you unlock the flail''

[midnight cedar]

But on anything else?

Literally nothing

[midnight cedar]

Btw wasn’t it a unanimous rating?

I thought I saw 3 C ratings

[cursive grotto]

Yeah, the channel is managed by 2 friends

They both gave the gauntlet a C iirc

Which is even crazier to me

No way one of them didn't see how powerful it is

[midnight cedar]

Eh

Better to leave it be at this point

Probably didn’t care enough to use it

So they gave it a score like C just because they didn’t know what else to do with it

[cursive grotto]

Most likely

I'm gona try my 5th ultra nightmare run today

Hopefully i don't die to a random ass nightmare imp stalker in siege part 1 after almost finishing it again 😁

[midnight cedar]

I believe in you man

Good luck 👍

[cursive grotto]

Thanks

I'll also try ultra nightmare again in eternal

Eventually

[midnight cedar]

lol

[cursive grotto]

But dying in a ultra nightmare run in eternal is like 20x more frustrating to me and i have no idea why

[midnight cedar]

Trust me after cultist base it’s a breeze

[cursive grotto]

So

Funny story

[midnight cedar]

You can’t get past cultist base?

[cursive grotto]

On my last run, i beat cultist base and doom hunter base back to back and was like ''ok i got this''

Then in super gore nest, i got jumpscared by a random shield guy around the corner, got low, panicked, pulled out the ballista to backwards boost and run away and then landed perfectly on an electrified floor and died

[midnight cedar]

Oh my god

I see why it’s so frustrating

Listen I don’t really recommend this for most people

But if you get that nervous while doing UN

Try to do 2 campaigns one nightmare one UN

Beat one level nightmare then beat the same level on UN and repeat

[cursive grotto]

I'll probably stop trying if i die a few more times

[midnight cedar]

I heard that helps from a friend

[cursive grotto]

I stopped trying UN in eternal after dying a few times back to back cause it made me start hating the game

And i don't want that

[midnight cedar]

Ok hear me out

One time back when the game was still new

I was attempting UN but kept on dying around cultist base

Then when I eventually beat cultist base I managed to get all the way up to final sin

And died to a random pinky

I called the game horseshit and didn’t touch it for a while

Until I did again and actually beat it

On UN you are bound to hate the game

So trust me when I say just keep trying

Also try using saving throw for an encounter that you aren’t confident in

[cursive grotto]

That saved my ass against samur in my tag1 ultra nightmare

May god strike down whoever added a spirit buffed pain elemental and dread knight there

[wheat sigil]

arba and lock-on spam

[cursive grotto]

It actually feels like fighting 2 crackheads

[topaz oasis]

let's play Hell Mode
Speed: 100%
Damage to demons: 50%
Damage to Player: 500%
Daze Duration: 50%
Resource values: highest
Projectile speed: max
Parry window: lowest
Enemy aggression: max
Life sigils: 0
Parry and melee slow motion: 0%

skip Atlan and dragon sections

[wheat sigil]

hop on 150 speed

[topaz oasis]

no

well maybe yes

but only on regular nightmare

[wheat sigil]

does 150 speed increase the difficulty a palpable amount

[topaz oasis]

I guess it'd be difficult to react to certain things

but I haven't really tried it myself

and you?

[wheat sigil]

i've only played 150, so got nothing to compare to

[midnight cedar]

A good amount

[cursive grotto]

Okay fellas fun question

What is the dumbest arguement y'all have seen against the dark ages

[midnight cedar]

Like it’s not to the degree of increasing damage taken or projectile speed

[topaz oasis]

it has parries, so it's slop

[midnight cedar]

But it’s harder

[midnight cedar]

If I had to pick one it’s probably the act man’s entire video

[wheat sigil]

all the dumbness just kinda amalgamates in my head, can't say anything in particular

[midnight cedar]

I change my answer to this ^

[cursive grotto]

''Gold is just spread out in the open in big areas'' he says as he shows one of like 2 areas where that happens (literally 90% of gold is in secret areas)

[midnight cedar]

Yes, my problem isn’t that he finds the game decent it’s because he genuinely has shit arguments

[cursive grotto]

Me too

It felt like he was criticizing the most random things in his video

[midnight cedar]

Another video that I remember was on called something like “doom the mid ages”

[cursive grotto]

Like that one section where he yells at there being ''melee ammo'' and compares it to whacking your gun in halo

[midnight cedar]

And he made good arguments like saying that the parry window is too large

[cursive grotto]

Or that section where he complains about the power gauntlet having a shield strike and a kick

[midnight cedar]

But then also has absolute stinkers like “I can’t see any of the enemies because they’re all grey”

[cursive grotto]

Like..sure? But it feels like such a random and irrelevant thing to criticize

Who cares if the power gauntlet has a kick

[midnight cedar]

Exactly it’s mostly nitpicks

[cursive grotto]

Although i will say

I think second wind's video is FAR WORSE than the act man's

That entire video is actual comedy material

[midnight cedar]

Oh yeah

Also super condescending to the audience

Which is funny in a video trying to say that the audience isn’t dumb

[cursive grotto]

My bro played the game on hurt me plenty and complained about balancing and the game being too easy

Like wtf?

[midnight cedar]

It was pretty funny though

But it’s better not to focus on them

They made like 3 or 4 vids on TDA so it’s kind of clear what the intent is

Better to talk about why you like the game

[cursive grotto]

''The devs think you're dumb because hey look at these heated shield guys! They don't let you heat them up yourself and therefore think you're dumb''

[midnight cedar]

But I think that’s obvious

[cursive grotto]

The health and armor pickups around the map might aswell mean the devs are calling us idiots too then

[midnight cedar]

lol

[cursive grotto]

Mark my words

After a long while, people will start loving TDA and being positive about it

I remember alot of criticism and negativity against eternal aswell on release similiar to this just because it wasn't like 2016

[midnight cedar]

That’s the life cycle of all things

[cursive grotto]

Alot of people are hating on TDA cause it isn't doom eternal v2

[midnight cedar]

This game is shit —> you know what it’s pretty okay —> such and such is actually a misunderstood masterpiece

[cursive grotto]

And then we're going to get mad at the next game for not being dark ages

Well not us probably but those people

[midnight cedar]

I like that though

Watching people make the same arguments against TDA that they made against Eternal will never not be funny to me

[cursive grotto]

It's hilarious

I personally prefer not listening to the ragebait videos and just enjoying tda 😁

It's a fantastic experience all around

[midnight cedar]

I would say that’s the best option

[cursive grotto]

I hopped into this game with 0 spoilers and without watching any review videos and the last thing i was expecting was to enter fistfights against cyberdemons

But god i'm so happy that's a thing

[midnight cedar]

I did the complete opposite lol

[cursive grotto]

I actually played the game on xbox game pass at first

But microsoft is stupid and i couldn't continue paying for my subscription

So i bought the game on steam instead

Honestly i'm glad i did

I won't have to rely on a subscription to play it

[midnight cedar]

Good to know that gamepass is inadvertently getting people to buy the game

[cursive grotto]

I don't regret spending 1.5 months of allowance on the game

At all

Super fun and replayable

Btw @midnight cedar do you wanna see a 10 second leader cyberdemon deletion

[plush geode]

Can u still
Get the other armor on pandamoniom if I lower the demon dmg and stuff? I did ultra nightmare and don’t feel like having a hard time again

[green estuary]

honestly you can just hold down the fire button on the rocket launcher and parry

that might be the fastest way to kill them because they take a bit of extra damage from rockets

[midnight cedar]

Hell yeah

[midnight cedar]

I would say parry charged rocket to start then Impaler headshots

[green estuary]

well, that's assuming you can get a parry charged rocket in the first place, which you can't 1v1 with a cyberdemon because he doesn't shoot parryable projectiles
but also impaler headshots are inconsistent as hell when you're fighting a cyberdemon, because you're literally looking straight up while trying to parry attacks that require you to look down

[midnight cedar]

I always keep a party charged rocket just in case

[green estuary]

but that means you're not using the rocket launcher normally 😔

[midnight cedar]

But if we’re talking just a straight 1v1 with a cybie then of course not

[midnight cedar]

Weapons don’t have 1 set use

I use the rocket launcher as a strong start and it deletes super heavies

[green estuary]

I mean normally as in frequently, not normally as in a set use case

[midnight cedar]

The only time I frequently use the rocket launcher is when I have the other upgrade path equipped

[green estuary]

because if you always have a parry rocket charged that means you aren't really using the rocket launcher that much, and it makes me sad

[midnight cedar]

In that case it’ll probably be the fastest way to kill a super heavy when paired with gauntlets of the dreadmace

[green estuary]

two dreadmace swings combined with anything are probably the fastest way to kill any super heavy tbh

it's literally more than half of a leader cyberdemon's health bar in a second

[midnight cedar]

To be honest with so many projectiles late game it’s super easy to have it always be charged while using it constantly

[midnight cedar]

Yeah paired with the rocket launcher it’s pretty op

[midnight cedar]

Holy shit

[proper hound]

I'm having trouble getting 100% completion on early levels after completing the campaign. I went back to early levels and picked up the collectibles I missed, but then there was no movement on the progress bar when I finished. Any tips?
I did change the game speed, but I didn't think that would affect anything for progression...

[green estuary]

Did you finish the level?
Because I’m not sure if the collectibles are counted if you exit the level early

[proper hound]

yeah, I finished the level, and got the post-game report, but it didn't register that I collected the missed codex page

[green estuary]

Odd

[warm ibex]

katsu don't be alarmed... but there's an evil face attached to your pfp...

[green estuary]

The evil face pfp now has an evil face mask on it

[warm ibex]

I'm so scared katsu

[warm ibex]

That's a bug going around at the moment, you haven't done anything wrong

[green estuary]

I now have double the evil

[warm ibex]

double the flail hatred...

eek! how frightening

[cursive grotto]

Hey vro @midnight cedar random question

Did you do unmodified ultra nightmare or did you tweak some sliders

[green estuary]

I don’t hate it—on the contrary, I even have a mod installed that starts the campaign with the flail because it’s objectively the drippiest option
I just don’t lie to myself about it actually being good lmao

Although I will say the one thing it is good at is making chain gunners much less of a problem in the early game

[midnight cedar]

I first did it unmodified

It’s was a month into its release and I didn’t want to jump into sliders immediately

[wheat sigil]

500 damage un when

[green estuary]

Ask murican

[midnight cedar]

Now that I’ve played a lot with sliders I think I’m gonna attempt an unmodified run

[green estuary]

He’s the closest to it afaik

[midnight cedar]

Tomorrow…

[cursive grotto]

I see

[midnight cedar]

Oh that guy is literally cracked

[cursive grotto]

Did you see the cyberdemon execution i sent in your DM's

[midnight cedar]

The sliders I use now are a copy of his “true nightmare” difficulty sliders

[green estuary]

Bro you gotta send it in the videos channel so we can all bear witness

[midnight cedar]

Hold on lemme check

are you sure you sent it to me?

I don’t see anything

[cursive grotto]

I did yeah

[midnight cedar]

Weird

[cursive grotto]

I'll just send it here for now

https://youtu.be/MT-03iVWopo

[midnight cedar]

I found it

Great job man

Dead mace + Impaler is definitely the way to go

[cursive grotto]

Yep

A charged rocket opener would've made this perfect

[midnight cedar]

I’m thinking

2 gauntlet strikes at first

Then a charged rocked

Then the last 2 hits to finish the gauntlet series

With a charged shield bash

[green estuary]

Ah so it was the double dreadmace

[midnight cedar]

Ending with the Impaler

I wanna try that

[cursive grotto]

That should work too

Gauntlet + charged bash + charge rocket all do copius amounts of damage

[wheat sigil]

imagine if you could buffer swaps in a way where you come out of a melee with another weapon...

[green estuary]

can’t remember for sure, but I believe the ssg has higher DPS than the impaler at close range

[midnight cedar]

That would be great

[green estuary]

Although the fact that that’s even a question shows how busted the impaler is

[midnight cedar]

Would love that as a gauntlet user

[wheat sigil]

everyone would love that

unless you're a nerd

[midnight cedar]

Fucking hate nerds

[wheat sigil]

that's some shit right there

[green estuary]

Would be based as hell

Cooked rocket into shield bash + ssg would go absolutely insane

[frail bloom]

What does that mean

Oh

So you melee when you had an ssg, and you come out with a rocket

As an example

Well can we get rid of melee buffers

It messes me up in my max slider run

[frail bloom]

Well that was a minority it was still well recieved

I actually think in the midpoint of eternal's life is when this all started going around

But during launch and current times it's been held at a high regard

[midnight cedar]

I remember at launch many reviewers said that Eternals combat was very rigid and misunderstood what made 2016 so great

[frail bloom]

Ye but the actual critic and user scores says otherwise

Kinda the same with this game

Sure you have quite a few who hate it, but many more think it's a great addition to the series

We just like to fixate on the harsh stuff

Cuz it's smt to talk abt

[midnight cedar]

Yeah I think TDA is like at an 87% on steam right?

[frail bloom]

Last time I checked it was 90%

[midnight cedar]

But we’re mostly talking about the loud minority

[frail bloom]

But that was a month after release

[frail bloom]

What minority isn't loud

In the gaming sphere

Not talkin abt real life

But ye

[midnight cedar]

I mean it’s not like that for every community

[frail bloom]

Well then they're lucky

[midnight cedar]

But in the doom community it’s quite egregious

[frail bloom]

Cuz this is the norm

[midnight cedar]

It is but I find that with a franchise that has been going on for this long

[green estuary]

Melee buffers as they are I don’t mind honestly
Punishes you for mashing the melee key with no regard for the consequences

[midnight cedar]

There are people with set expectations of how it should be

Like many eternal players say that TDA “isn’t doom”

[frail bloom]

I do, it messes me up on my max slider run, idk what happens but I know I don't have a 4th melee in khalim

[frail bloom]

Ironic

[midnight cedar]

I know right?

[frail bloom]

But that's up to them

[green estuary]

Yeah, well a large portion of the player base doesn’t play any of the og games

[midnight cedar]

Sadly

[frail bloom]

At this point you just leave them be

[green estuary]

Hence why you have an outcry of “it doesn’t feel like a doom game” when TDA released

[midnight cedar]

The classics are just so good and a must play

[frail bloom]

They'll find their way to the next comment section and cry and scream in their lonely booth

[midnight cedar]

For anyone whether or not they’re a fan of doom

[frail bloom]

With tomatoes thrown on it

The real winner is the guy who simply enjoys the game as it is

[midnight cedar]

Yeah that’s one really cool thing I’ve noticed with TDA’s release

[midnight cedar]

You have a point I won’t lie

[frail bloom]

Ye you can just go on your day without stressin abt nothin

[midnight cedar]

I’ll have you know

That is some good advice

And I will be taking it

[frail bloom]

That's fair

I took it too

Wisdom is passed

[midnight cedar]

[frail bloom]

Ngl I feel like Oogway

[wheat sigil]

people are actually saying that?

[frail bloom]

Ye

[wheat sigil]

nah they feel terrible

[frail bloom]

Some people

[frail bloom]

Thank you I agree

On 150% especially

I'm also pretty sure melee animations aren't sped up

When you change the speed

Which is awful

[midnight cedar]

You’d be surprised

[half marlin]

the worst is that those ppl are crying so loud we might never get FM on the soundtrack again or something like tda in the future 😔

[midnight cedar]

Probably because you are

[frail bloom]

My time has come

There is no bad news, only news

[midnight cedar]

I genuinely hope not

[frail bloom]

I don't think it's that severe

[midnight cedar]

They did such a fantastic job

[frail bloom]

If anything they might've already composed a few pieces

I actually listened to Geoffrey Day's ost proposal for dark ages the other day

It's literally djent

[warm ibex]

It is most certainly not that severe lol

[frail bloom]

Kinda bummed me out

[half marlin]

there'd never been a day where I look in any tda video comment section or steam discussions and see no plain negativity

[frail bloom]

Well those ppl made their voice heard

The majority don't post comments

But anyways I think Geoffrey's rendition is very lackluster

[half marlin]

but those who do are most of the time are those haters

[midnight cedar]

I find a lot of “TDA’s ost if I did it” just being people trying to emulate micks style

[half marlin]

and it's also nothing constructive it's just "shit game shit ost" without proper arguments

[frail bloom]

I thought David's wasn't that different from his past tracks but Geoffrey straight spewed djent jargon

[frail bloom]

That is exactly what is happening, besides David

He has his own style, but it doesn't fit all that well

[wheat sigil]

steam discussions aren't real

[half marlin]

I hope they were

😔

[frail bloom]

And then there's the remickses

[midnight cedar]

They are literally a fever dream half the time

[frail bloom]

Oh boi the remickses

Where do I start

[warm ibex]

After developing three modern AAA title across the past decade (technically two decades if you count Doom 4's full development) I think id software is more than capable of differentiating between valid criticism and whining eternal junkies lol

[frail bloom]

None of them fit, except Into the Void's remix

[midnight cedar]

“Whining eternal junkies” lol I’m stealing that

[warm ibex]

lmao

[half marlin]

lol yea that's well said

[frail bloom]

Some of you doomtubers should make a doom ost tierlist

All the one's I see put dark ages in E tier or smt

Like wut

[green estuary]

idk I just press the melee button when I want to use melee lmao

[warm ibex]

I had planned on it but we'll see if that actually happens. content plans are all over the place right now since I'm a bit busy elsewhere

[frail bloom]

Ye take your time

As much needed

Allstin what abt you

Should I ping him

Nah

[warm ibex]

@silent surge horde mode gaming and allstin OST tier list collab video when??

[frail bloom]

Thank you

Oh I just read it

That's a good idea

This would include Tag right

[warm ibex]

of course

[frail bloom]

Lemme remember

[warm ibex]

personally I had planned on including Doom 3 - TDA dlc

[frail bloom]

Doom 1
Doom 2
Doom 3
Doom 64
Dom 2016
Doom tag
Dark ages

[silent surge]

that could be expansive, and challenging

[frail bloom]

Oh so you're thinking abt waiting until the dlc releases then

Ye that's a good timeframe

[warm ibex]

might take two people to tackle it! 👀

[silent surge]

and controversial!

[frail bloom]

Nah

If anything it's the first normie opinion

[silent surge]

“hi guys i like finishing m-“

UNSUBSCRIBE

[warm ibex]

lmao

[frail bloom]

All the other vids have it at E tier

Or "dissapointing"

[warm ibex]

I know I'd put a good handful of mick's tracks in lower tiers and several finishing move tracks in S tier

[frail bloom]

Hey wait

I was thinking the ost as a whole, y'all are thinking abt each individual track??

That would take some effort

You two should def go for it tho

Would be very comprehensive

[warm ibex]

I mean there's not too much of a point in doing entire combined OSTs since nothing would be below B tier lol

[frail bloom]

Lol ye

[green estuary]

yeah maybe you could just do a modern doom game one

[silent surge]

it could be a face off and even then, each one is different

[frail bloom]

Nuh uh all of them

[silent surge]

good but different is the thing

[warm ibex]

both do a comprehensive list and then compare

[green estuary]

that's also waaaay too much material though

[frail bloom]

Actually I don't want them to do allat

Ye maybe just the modern games first

And then the carmack era of doom games

[warm ibex]

I didn't plan on doing anything prior to Doom 3 personally lol. And I'd only really start with D3 since the main theme is one of the best tracks in the franchise imo

[frail bloom]

Which is Doom 1, 2, 64, 3

Ok so Doom 3 to dark ages

Awesome

When it's out it's out

Allstin what do you think

Are you up for it

👍

[solid beacon]

Doom 64 is 3 Doom the dark ages is actually 4 for the story

[warm ibex]

Doom 64 is actually the 64th Doom, it even says it on the box art if you look close enough

[solid beacon]

I looked close at box art actually.
March 11 2014 was my once

[uneven dragon]

Legacy of Rust is actually classic Doom III sorry

[silent trail]

What is the better option for the accelerator, the accuracy upgrade or the firing speed upgrade?

[green estuary]

firing speed
switch to the cycler if you want a longer-range plasma rifle

also imo the cycler is just straight up better

[half marlin]

what about the dps?
between cycler and accelerator

[green estuary]

it's annoying to check tbh
because the cycler has 4 different damage values (normal, normal vs shocked enemies, empowered, and empowered against shocked enemies) and the accelerator has a few as well

although I'm 90% sure that the accelerator has higher maximum dps against a single target
though the cycler also makes enemies take 20% extra damage from all sources

so if I had to guess, the cycler would deal better damage in a boss fight, because 20% extra damage from melee (especially gauntlet/dreadmace) is very significant

and I don't believe the accelerator's raw dps offsets that

[half marlin]

accelerator has shockwave
though idk if it matters

[green estuary]

against a single target it's not worth it iirc
because you lose all of your charge

[sterile dome]

What’s going on

[midnight cedar]

A little off topic but I hope that the next doom game takes more from doom 64

A lot of folks were expecting TDA to act as its spiritual successor

And I do see a bit of it

[warm ibex]

give me purple hell

[midnight cedar]

But I feel like anything that feels like doom 64 was mainly found in the cosmic realm

[midnight cedar]

YES

I made a post on doomworld a while back but give me different looking hells

I think the more traditional looking hell is pretty rad but after Eternal and TDA I want a little more

I would also like more horror elements

[warm ibex]

I want a recreation of Even Simpler in the TDA dlc

[midnight cedar]

Who wouldn’t?

[green estuary]

basically give us doom 3 with actually good gunplay/movement lmao

[midnight cedar]

Maybe an unpopular opinion but I would love a game where you play as an ARC soldier during the hell invasion

And as you said let it just be doom 3 with actual fun gunplay and movement options

[warm ibex]

and while you're at it, doom 3 with actually good horror. I will never understand why so many people think the same dogshit imp/zombie jumpscare repeated 50 times is proper horror

[midnight cedar]

It probably was back then but to me it was more frustrating than anything

[warm ibex]

"Doom 3 is a good horror game, but a bad doom game" only it's not a good horror game!! at all!!!

https://tenor.com/view/freak-tweak-tweaker-tweaking-freak-out-gif-16108345590627731463

[midnight cedar]

Reasonable crashout I won’t lie

It got something’s right but also just so much wrong

[green estuary]

true

it's an annoyance game more than a horror game

[warm ibex]

and if you play the BFG edition it's pretty much just an action fps

[green estuary]

action fps

[warm ibex]

I mean I dunno, you're carrying around rocket launchers and plasma rifles that you get to use pretty often

I'd say it's about on par with the older CODs

[midnight cedar]

I would say the “action” part comes about 2/3rds into the game

[warm ibex]

yeah that's spot on

[placid rampart]

Everything Doom 3 did was done better by either Half Life or Dead Space

[warm ibex]

I played Deadspace for the first time in January of last year. Instantly one of my favorite games of all time, exactly what I'd want out of Doom 3

[placid rampart]

Dead Space is by far the best horror game I’ve played

[lavish kindle]

I mean Dead Space came out 3 or 4 years after Doom 3. They had plenty of time to take notes

[placid rampart]

True. I could be wrong, but I think early on in development, Dead Space was going to be System Shock 3, but it eventually became its own thing

[warm ibex]

Like it's not even close dude. I'd like to play through the original on PS3 when I find the time. Remake was perfect though, zero complaints

[placid rampart]

Nice, I haven’t played the remake myself but I intend to at some point. I got the original on Xbox 360 from a friend who was getting rid of his old games

[green estuary]

yes
most of the game is just finding the least dangerous way to get in an enemy's face so the shotgun doesn't suck

[midnight cedar]

That’s assuming there is a safe way

It really depends on the shotguns mood

Maybe I’ll get a nice clean one shot

Or maybe an imp will scratch my face off

Who knows

[green estuary]

2 inches away from the enemy--one shots a revenant
6 inches away from the enemy--takes 3 hits to kill an imp

[midnight cedar]

Literally doom 3’s shotgun in a nutshell

Probably why they overcompensated with the ssg and relic

Or whatever it was called

[frail bloom]

But it is funny

Even if it doesn't intend to be

[frail bloom]

Ye I wanna be spooked

I haven't felt spooked in a doom game since 2016

When I was like 9

I considered doom 2016 scary at that time

Even Doom 1 and 2 scared me at times

Low on ammo and you hear pinky growls in the distance

I don't get that feeling anymore

I hope to see more moody and foreboding enviroments in the dlc, and maybe the new enemies can reflect this too

#screenshots message
Bottom left is my fav depiction of the Vagary

[cursive grotto]

Bro what

I was gauntlet comboing a hell knight near some barrels and they just fucking exploded out of nowhere??

And killed me

[frail bloom]

If enemy ai can trigger barrels then maybe a projectile hit it

If not maybe your gauntlets have an aoe

Just guessing

[cursive grotto]

The hell knight was the only thing in the room

My guess personally is that maybe enemy corpses can trigger it?

[frail bloom]

Well you should test it

[cursive grotto]

They exploded after i killed the hell knight and sent it flying into the barrels

That's my best guess but still not sure

Also

Potential hot take, but dark ages feels more replayable than eternal

[frail bloom]

With the sliders it can be

With those mech and dragon sections, less so

Depends on your priorities

[cursive grotto]

It's mostly because of the great builds you can experiment with imo

No melee, gun or rune truly feels bad to me

All of them are fun, useful in different situations and totally dependable

I find myself trying out new builds and play styles upon replay

There's just a lot of great synergies to discover

[green estuary]

if we're talking base game, yeah
I've got almost 70% of eternal's hours in tda and it doesn't even have any master levels/dlc yet

[cursive grotto]

Maybe with a gun or rune you put off!

[frail bloom]

I onky have 96 hrs

[cursive grotto]

Maybe you'll give it a try and love it

[frail bloom]

I bet I have like 500+ in Eternal

But it was bc of covid

What else was I gonna do

But rn I'm doing a max slider run so that should add 50 hrs

Who else has done a max slider run

Fully

[cursive grotto]

That's what happened to me with the pulverizer and flail

[frail bloom]

Also, unrelated, but what are youtube badges???

[cursive grotto]

Bro i only have like 63 or something

[frail bloom]

I just got one

[cursive grotto]

43 rn on my steam account and 20 or so on Xbox before buying it on steam

[frail bloom]

Better bring them up bucko

[cursive grotto]

I have 180 in eternal iirc

[frail bloom]

Are you relatively new to the franchise then

[cursive grotto]

Still haven't beaten base campaign on UN in either 😔

[frail bloom]

Or at least the modern games

[cursive grotto]

I bought eternal in 2023, got to like 50 hours then took a 2 year long break until dark ages brought me back into the franchise in general this summer

I got to 180 in eternal and finished 2016 too

[frail bloom]

I see

Ye I started way back when no rest from the living released

And then I replayed the entire franchise since

Or what released, then I played 2016 and eternal

Then dark ages

Is there any way to check amt of hrs on the ps4

Bc that's where most of my hrs went in

I got like 70 smt on my ps5

Which I got last year

[cursive grotto]

What's your ranking of the modern 3 in terms of how fun they are

[frail bloom]

Well in terms of fun

1. Dark ages
2. Eternal
3. 2016

[green estuary]

on nightmare, I'd say tda > eternal > 2016

[frail bloom]

In terms of my favs, 2016 is first

Like quality

[green estuary]

although 2016's goofy ahh nightmare balancing is not doing itself any favors

[frail bloom]

And overall experience

And bias

[cursive grotto]

2016 just didn't feel too great to me but that's probably a result of playing it after tda and eternal

[frail bloom]

2016 feels real chill

[cursive grotto]

It just feels too simple and lacking in depth and so slow

[frail bloom]

It's laid back enough to where I put on smt in the backround

[cursive grotto]

No shield bash, no double dash, no meathook, nun

[frail bloom]

Well I do that for all games

[cursive grotto]

And the only real thing to do is shoot mfs until they die

[green estuary]

gauss boost

[frail bloom]

I like quickswitching in 2016

And stunning demons, I guess

[cursive grotto]

I'm not really counting that since it isn't a primary intended means of movement

[frail bloom]

Double tap ssg is fun

The game is just a sandbox of movement and fun

[green estuary]

80% of eternal's tech wasn't intended either lmao

[frail bloom]

Ye that meathook stuff

[cursive grotto]

The intended movement is still 20 times faster

[green estuary]

we take what we can get

[cursive grotto]

Just dashes and the base movement alone is way faster than 2016

[frail bloom]

Meathook was intended to bring you to a demon

Now you can use it to zip

Seemed obvious but we didn't know that

Had to expirement

[cursive grotto]

Also i may or may not hate 2016 because of imp fireballs one shotting me off the screen 30 times over in the early game on nightmare

[frail bloom]

Hell razers give me trouble

[green estuary]

[frail bloom]

Idk why but their laser just one taps me

Their aim sucks but that's why it's so bad

Cuz the laser goes everywhere

[green estuary]

they telegraph their laser for like 5 seconds 😭

[frail bloom]

But I'm not looking at them

I'm worried abt the hellknight pummeling me

And the imp trying to hit me with it's homing fireball

[cursive grotto]

I know it seems silly and hypocritical to say doom 2016 was boring cause you can just use 1 gun when you can do that in dark ages too, but it feels way more boring in 2016 for some reason

[green estuary]

if anything I pay more attention to the fodder in 2016 than the heavies lmao

[cursive grotto]

Like i literally just spammed remote det the whole game

And did nothing else

[frail bloom]

Well bc you can't use only one gun for every gun in 2016

[frail bloom]

Well I haven't moved into that mindset for that game

I'm still used to giving bigger enemies the priority

[cursive grotto]

I will say though, 2016's atmosphere was fantastic

[frail bloom]

That's why it's muh fav

[cursive grotto]

I loved how intimidating and realistic it was

[green estuary]

well they're both like ultrakill (not that I'm comparing them to ultrakill, I'm not one of those fanboys)--you can use one gun for the whole game, but if it actively hinders your enjoyment then why tf would you

[frail bloom]

Story was awesome

[green estuary]

like yeah, you can use the piercer revolver to beat all of ultrakill but why on earth would you ever do that

[frail bloom]

Well you can but it's unoptimal

Right?

[green estuary]

weeeellll

[cursive grotto]

Cause i tried other guns and I'm ngl remote det, double shot ssg and siege are all so good that using anything else feels weak and boring

[frail bloom]

No?

[cursive grotto]

Using other weapons should be fun in theory but it's even more boring

[green estuary]

unironically some fights in ultrakill are easier if you just plink away at a boss's health bar with the basic hitscan pistol and put all of your effort into dodging instead of trying to pull off flashy combos
but the style is what makes the game fun

[frail bloom]

Uhhhh well does style give you benefits

(I never played ultrakill)

[marsh lion]

did someone mention ultrakill

[frail bloom]

No

[green estuary]

yeah it does, you get a rating
but if we're talking just killing bosses a lot of times the less stuff you have going on, the easier it is on your brain, even though your style rating will be lower

[cursive grotto]

Random question time

[frail bloom]

And ratings give you?

[cursive grotto]

Which of the modern games' artstyle do you guys prefer

[frail bloom]

2016's

[green estuary]

mostly just satisfaction
but also there are special levels that unlock if you complete the previous ones with a high enough rating so there's that

[frail bloom]

I would love 2016's grittiness, with dark ages scope and pastel colors, with eternal's vibrancy

[frail bloom]

Huh alr

[green estuary]

but I was just making a point that switching weapons and playing in a more enjoyable way shouldn't have to be forced by the game design in order to be fun

playing in a way that's unfun for you, despite the game giving you ample options to enjoy yourself is not a game problem, it's a you problem

[frail bloom]

I thought you got healing benefits for keeping your style meter up

[marsh lion]

there's absolutely no way ULTRAKILL is even close on the level of the DOOM games when it comes to the whole "it's boring because i can use one gun to win"

Ultrakill is extremely needy to using your whole arsenal. However yeah I agree with the point of... if you're gonna complain that you can use one weapon, then use more than one weapon

[cursive grotto]

Ultrakill just feels flat out bad to play when you aren't trying to be stylish and just playing slowly

That is the point yeah but just felt like I'd mention it

[green estuary]

I never said ultrakill was boring, calm down lol
I was actually saying the opposite, if you'd read what I wrote

[cursive grotto]

The reward you get is the fact that the game becomes fun

[frail bloom]

I'm lowercasing ultrakill

[green estuary]

you can't consider ultrakill boring just because you can indeed use only the piercer revolver to beat the whole game

[frail bloom]

Bc I'm mean

[marsh lion]

I wasn't saying that you were saying it's boring 😭

I'm saying there's no way you can play the whole game efficiently with one weapon at a time for every fight

[frail bloom]

I am confused

I'm hearing conflicting things

[green estuary]

"efficiently", sure
you can't play any modern doom game efficiently with just one gun either

[cursive grotto]

The thing is, in 2016, remote det, double shot ssg and siege are just so much better than everything else

[marsh lion]

yeah but people act like you can. its so dumb

[cursive grotto]

That's not the case in ultrakill or dark ages

[green estuary]

well, you've just listed 3 guns

[frail bloom]

3 outta 8

[green estuary]

also you shouldn't sleep on cluster bombs

[frail bloom]

And stun from the plasma gun

[green estuary]

mastered combat shotgun explosive shot does crazy damage

[frail bloom]

Useful for keeping big enemies in place

[cursive grotto]

You can use any one of those 3 and you'll still be the most efficient you can be, also like samir said it's just 3 guns out of 8

[green estuary]

mobile turret is very nice as well

[green estuary]

who can judge that?
is there any objective way of measuring combat efficiency other than just not taking damage

[cursive grotto]

I watched an ultra nightmare run on YouTube once and the dude was just relentlessly spamming remote det rockets and ssg

Nothing else

[frail bloom]

Hmmm idk, time to kill maybe?

[green estuary]

well yeah
ultra nightmare brings out the cheese strats more than anything else
doesn't mean it's most efficient, just means its easier

[frail bloom]

Or not time to kill

What's it called, minimizing time

[green estuary]

chaingun shield isn't the most efficient option, but it sure as hell gets a lot of abuse in eternal ultra nightmare because it makes things a whole lot easier

[cursive grotto]

I think how quickly you kill enemies is a good enough measurement since 2016 is extremely simple and it's basically just "shoot until it dies"

[frail bloom]

Oh hell yeah it makes things easier

I spam thst thing constantly

[green estuary]

well in that case...
bfg spam

[cursive grotto]

You could count that but i listed the other 3 specifically since you have access to them at all times unlike the bfg

[frail bloom]

What's y'alls favorite boss in this game

I got mine

[cursive grotto]

Unless that one rune with infinite ammo also gives the bfg infinite ammo too (it better not)

[green estuary]

in modern doom, gotta be enhanced ahzrak
tough boss, but not like samur where he's just constantly running away from you and hiding behind shit like a little bitch

[cursive grotto]

2016?

[frail bloom]

Ever

[green estuary]

but in 2016 it's the hell guards

[cursive grotto]

Ahzrak tied with the icon of sin

[frail bloom]

My fav ever is the Vagary boss

In 2016 it's the cyberdemon

[cursive grotto]

There's something so satisfying about the icon

[frail bloom]

Noticing a pattern here

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/soulja-boy-says-huh-soulja-boy-huh-saying-huh-gif-20754849

[frail bloom]

I am not wr.ong

I like it's design

And I like beating it up

[solid nacelle]

I think I liked the second azhrak fight more just cause it's easier to falter him

[frail bloom]

Sue me

I'm impartial to the ahzrak fight, bc it's just parry parry parry

And I don't find that super fun

[green estuary]

such a terrible boss fight
crucible is the clunkiest mechanic ever, and the absurd amounts of screen shake and noise make it impossible to identify targets properly

[cursive grotto]

Unleashing huge dps on him with pb rockets and BFG while the screen is shaking like hell with fireballs raining down and also killing demons with the crucible for resources along with that super intimidating ost in the background is one of the greatest gaming experiences I've had

[frail bloom]

But he big, so he cool

Duh

[cursive grotto]

Like 30 hours of my eternal playtime probably just come from me replaying final sin over and over

Just so i can fight the icon again

[frail bloom]

But ye vagary boss soloes

[cursive grotto]

Icon of sin my beloved

[frail bloom]

I'm right

100%

No contest

[cursive grotto]

Doom 3 vagary or dark ages vagary champion

[frail bloom]

Dark ages

[green estuary]

the vagary champion is lame as hell

[frail bloom]

You're lame

[cursive grotto]

He's the most boring of the 3 champions for me

[frail bloom]

I like big spider demons and you like some naked crackhead on wraith juice

[cursive grotto]

He can go die in a hole somewhere in hell just because of his slowdown vomit thing

[frail bloom]

Mr. Asscrack

[cursive grotto]

Worst attack in the whole game to deal with

[frail bloom]

And ahzrak has that unparriable homing attack in his third phase

Which can also go to hell

[solid nacelle]

That's why I enjoy the second one and not the first

[green estuary]

and the fuckass mortar mancs that launch acid from 2 city blocks away

[frail bloom]

Ye

[cursive grotto]

Atleast their aim sucks and they're fairly easy to spot

[green estuary]

second one I also enjoy
but he's way less aggressive so I get away with way more mistakes

[cursive grotto]

The vagary just immediately shoots it at you

[frail bloom]

Nah SKILL ISSUE

Simply avoid it

[green estuary]

well yeah
doesn't mean it's not annoying

[frail bloom]

[cursive grotto]

I personally think ahzrak is fun but idk why

[frail bloom]

I find ahzrak's need to make you parry a bunch of attacks more annoying

It's not hard it's just PING PING PING PING

[cursive grotto]

Something about perfectly parrying all of his combos while getting in dreadmace hits and impaler headshots is fun

[frail bloom]

Blah

And his third phase looks like a fortnite skin

Don't know why

[green estuary]

nah it's definitely pretty hard
you shoot him with your guns, he hits you with his sword
it's a proper head to head boss fight that's both fun and difficult, which is pretty much a first in a modern doom game

[frail bloom]

It has that smoothness to it

[frail bloom]

No the parrying is fine but the other stuff is hard

All those projectiles he launches

[green estuary]

I found those pretty easy

[frail bloom]

The homing one's???

[cursive grotto]

Ahzrak's fight is defensive for the most part but from what I've seen, people still generally like him, which is weird to me because davoth was criticized all the hell for being a defensive fight

[frail bloom]

You can't even block them

He just launches one and it breaks your shield

[green estuary]

yeah his blood bolt only comes out when you retreat like a lil bitch and get too far away from him

but if you mean the cultists he summons they're fairly easy to deal with

[frail bloom]

[frail bloom]

No they're easy

[green estuary]

I think one of the in game tips that it displays when you die to him says as much

[cursive grotto]

I guess something is just different between ahzrak and davoth

[frail bloom]

Davoth can heal

And he's a big marauder

[green estuary]

davoth is a wuss

[frail bloom]

"Best boss fight we ever made trust"

Why even lie abt that

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[frail bloom]

Hugo didn't need to add that last part

[green estuary]

fuck's sake

[frail bloom]

He shoulda kept quite

[cursive grotto]

I mean yeah but if you think about it both fights are similar in this aspect:

Ahzrak: You spend a lot of the fight parrying his combos
Davoth: You spend a lot of the fight waiting for his green attack

[frail bloom]

But you've been parrying the entire game

In davoth it's gimmicky

[green estuary]

difference being parrying is fun, and waiting is boring

[cursive grotto]

I guess that's true actually

[frail bloom]

Alr imma continue my max slider run

I'm on hebeth now

[cursive grotto]

I tried to do some gladiator esque airborne hits on him on my first playthrough and he just healed

And i was like "bro what the fuck"

[cursive grotto]

Good luck

[frail bloom]

Finished Hebeth

This level was not bad ngl

Uh so is dodging the cyclops attack impossible

Alr imma raise the dodge window on the atlan

It's not workin properly

[ebon belfry]

I’m just starting to do a ultra nightmare run

[frail bloom]

Alr sentinel barrakcs

Then I'm done for the day

[sterile dome]

Hello

[uneven mortar]

Time spent playing vs not playing

[frail bloom]

Eh I got halfway thru I'm done

[frail bloom]

Ngl would be awesome if they played a dark ages track in the game awards

[obsidian shard]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

Either Infernal Chasm, Unchained Predator or When the Shadows first Lengthend

Also FM used a Shitton of Different Instruments

(talked to Alex from FM this morning)

[harsh egret]

they will only if it gets nominated for goty

chances of that looking slimmer and slimmer, as much as i want it to happen

imo its 50/50 it gets nominated

[obsidian shard]

It's def being Nominated

For OST of the Year at least

It may not win but will def be nominated

[harsh egret]

yh that for sure but meant for the game awards orchestra to play a dark ages track it would need a goty nomination

[warm ibex]

doesn't have to be the game awards orchestra tbf

they got mick to play live during the 2016 game awards. not the most likely but there's a chance that finishing move could do a live performance this year

[harsh egret]

one can hope

[green estuary]

yk I was thinking how much fun it would be if TDA had a sprint slide mechanic

[warm ibex]

would lowkey be sick if the slayer could take his head off and roll it into crowds of demons like a bowling ball

https://tenor.com/view/neremik-neremik-the-world-the-world-the-world-bowling-wii-sports-gif-25817439

[harsh egret]

lmao

doomguy going from racecar in eternal to tank in dark ages and in the next game, bowling ball

[uneven dragon]

Are you sure?

IMO TDA is still one of the highlights of this year

[warm ibex]

I would be pretty surprised if TDA ends up as one of the main GOTY nominees

the competition is STEEP this year

[uneven dragon]

i guess

[warm ibex]

It'll be up against Silksong, Expedition 33, Ghost of Yotei, Nightreign, Death Stranding 2, Donkey Kong Bananza and MGS Delta

TDA is an incredible game and my personal goty, but realistically speaking all of those titles have a stronger chance at being nominated for one of the slots (I'm sure I've missed one or two, and not including future releases)

[meager vortex]

this year 2025 great games come

[green estuary]

the fact that a shot-for-shot remake of MGS3 that somehow manages to be worse than the original is up for GOTY is a joke tbh

[meager vortex]

but i want TDA GOTY

[obsidian shard]

Womp

[harsh egret]

Well that probably applies for most people here

Just talking realistically what i think will happen

[obsidian shard]

TDA OST will def be Nominated at least

[harsh egret]

Oh yeah it better

[obsidian shard]

No offense to the other OST's but it's honestly Between Expedition 33 and DOOM

[green estuary]

if mgs delta actually gets nominated for goty and tda doesn't I'm gonna be so pissed

[uneven dragon]

I would hope it wouldn’t be nominated

I would understand the rest but not that one

[harsh egret]

It wont

[obsidian shard]

Me like DOOM, hope DOOM win, But DOOM may not win, And me find that ok

[harsh egret]

I dont think games with poor optimization on launch to be nominated

[obsidian shard]

MONSTER HUNTER

[harsh egret]

Pretty much lmao

[harsh egret]

You saying that should or shouldn't get nominated lol

I def think not

[obsidian shard]

Shouldn't, Still don't work on PC right

[harsh egret]

Crazy

[green estuary]

regardless of poor optimization
it's literally just a shot-for-shot remake of another game

[solid nacelle]

Dark ages got a lot of shit for having forced raytracing so idk if that could have an affect on anything

[green estuary]

very much doubt it

[harsh egret]

And also games that dont really innovate and change things up enough on their predecessors (hades 2 and silksong r good examples) should also not get nominated, that's my hot take

Not a hot take in of itself but i think those 2 games in particular

Unless im wrong and hades 2 is actually not like that but ive heard the opposite from some ppl

[obsidian shard]

That's died down Alot AND many games Recently have needed higher specs too

[harsh egret]

When it runs better than many non rt games on mid range hardware then i think not

[obsidian shard]

Expedition 33 is peam

[green estuary]

p e a m

[harsh egret]

Ye it was good, for me its like a A-

[obsidian shard]

Also No offense to Nightreign but it's basically only added a Duo mode since launch

[stoic gazelle]

So I have finally played it and I disagree with what everyone’s saying. It’s certainly not the worst doom game of our time and it’s certainly not one of the worst games ever made

[warm ibex]

Every major release is up for GOTY

That's just how it is, no matter how poorly optimized it was at launch or how much any of us dislike it

[random sand]

Who be saying that

Who be saying it is

[unkempt dragon]

nobody

[random sand]

My thoughts exactly. Worst i've seen is people saying eternal is better because they prefer that game's gameplay loop

[stoic gazelle]

Oh man. Almost absolutely everybody. It’s the reason I didn’t buy it until a sale

[random sand]

I've never seen someone say it's the worst game out of them all. If someone's truly saying that and mean it, don't listen to them. They're WAY too eternal brained to have a sensible opinion. Either that or they're trolling

[stoic gazelle]

I saw more than a few and I absolutely see what you’re saying now I’ve played it! ❤️

Though I have come across a weird issue using dlss and frame gen. I dunno why but every time I put my shield in an enemy, the longer it stays in there the lower my fps drops lol

Otherwise performance has been amazing super high frame rates. Until I put a shield in something

[random sand]

More to render since the shield's moving and changing the enemy's appereance as well while in the stunned animation is my guess

[stoic gazelle]

But enough to drop from 200fps to 10fps when there’s just the one enemy on screen?

Not sarcasm, genuinely curious. I dunno much about graphics engines

[random sand]

Idk. I've never noticed that but then again, i don't use frame gen. Can try seeing how it is with frame gen off. Probably with frame gen on, it generates additional frames of the shield's movements as well as the demon's damage which becomes too much

[stoic gazelle]

I have tried it with Frame gen off and it does fix its self it and goes nowhere near 10fps. It also doesn’t go anywhere near 100fps either so I play with frame gen x2. I get about 40-50fps otherwise

[random sand]

What specs you got? What graphics you playing on?

Tda is a pretty demanding game. Even on low settings my pc's vram is too little

[stoic gazelle]

Ultra nightmare with a 5090, 9800x3d and 64GB ram I think clocked at cl30 6200mhz at last check.

[random sand]

64GB!?

[stoic gazelle]

Yeah. Could that cause the slow downs

[warm ibex]

If you don't mind me asking, where have you been looking for opinions? I try to snoop around different corners of the community as often as I can and haven't seen a whole lot of folks saying junk like that

outside of ragebait threads and generic hate farms, I suppose

[random sand]

My man, you should be able to render in gta 54 with that nasa computer of yours😭

[stoic gazelle]

Mainly Reddit comments and a few discords (not doom related).

[stoic gazelle]

lol oh thanks.It is a strange issue with the shield but enemy’s don’t stay alive long enough for it to ruin the enjoyment

[warm ibex]

any specific subreddits? I don't lurk around r/Doom as much as I used to but I still don't see a ton of TDA hate there

[random sand]

I'd turn off frame gen if i were you. If the fps is dogshit after doing that. Look to see if any other options are the reason. Maybe path tracing is causing it. Maybe the vram limit causes it. Look at it and see how close it is or if it's over it (allthough i doubt that)

[stoic gazelle]

I’ve seen it in pcgaming and on the doom subreddit

[stoic gazelle]

Thanks I’ll check it out

Also if I lower resource values to low does that mean I get more ammo?

[warm ibex]

Lower resource values mean less resources

so definitely raise them if you want more ammo

[stoic gazelle]

Perfect thanks.

[warm ibex]

no problem at all!

[midnight cedar]

Sorry for the ping but @obsidian shard you mentioned a while back that you guys sometimes chat with Hugo and Josh on the streams

Did any one of you ever mention possibly having randomized parryable projectiles?

It’s something that I really hope they implement one day

[topaz oasis]

watchu mean? parrying is also a boring mechanic that only uncreative devs resort to, therefore the boss is ass and so is the whole game

[rugged badger]

Bro what do you mean that parrying is boring mechanic, ultrakill is right there bud.

[midnight cedar]

I’m pretty sure he’s being sarcastic

[topaz oasis]

lol im jk, chill

[rugged badger]

good lord i am stupid

[topaz oasis]

but I've seen that argument being thrown around for many other games that are parry-focused

this game is no exception

[midnight cedar]

Nah you’re good man

[rugged badger]

I am so sorry dude

[heady mica]

parrying is awesome

[topaz oasis]

agreed

speaking about parries

I'm about to fight asswreck with 500% damage to player and parry window lowest

wish me luck

[obsidian shard]

Some enemies may get Random Parryables Particularly the Revenant! (Not Confirmed, but it was Discussed)

https://slayersclub.bethesda.net/en-US/article/doom-the-dark-ages-grammy-awards-for-your-consideration

Holy Peak

[harsh egret]

hugo just said "it should work like that" and then nothing happened after that
sounds like a change that could come with either the next major update, or the dlc (if they didnt just forget about it completely)

i feel like hugo read that suggestion and was too focused and probably forgot about it

i should ask again next stream

[harsh egret]

thats kinda cool yeah, do we know when those awards are given out?

[obsidian shard]

2026 💀

[harsh egret]

early 2026?

[obsidian shard]

Yes

Feburary if i remember right

[harsh egret]

fair enough

would be cool as hell if they won that

[obsidian shard]

Insane

Nice to see its being Nominated a ton

(Maybe its like Really GOOD for what it is)

[harsh egret]

also doom should win best action game at tga

[obsidian shard]

Agreed

[harsh egret]

thats a guaranteed nomination and should also win that

as long as it wins that im happy

[obsidian shard]

Same

[harsh egret]

what other games are "action" and not "action/adventure" that compete with it

[half marlin]

bf6 probably

[harsh egret]

battlefield 6 maybe?

yeah

bo7

[obsidian shard]

But Its also not just player, its also critics, and Well DOOM did Phenomenal in that area!

[harsh egret]

also how is it a 83 metascore when xbox AND pc reviews got 85 and ps5 got 83

and why r the critic and player ratings so different between metacritic and opencritic

[obsidian shard]

Like omg