the-dark-ages

[frail bloom]

But that is at its most

Realistically, they might have half the time

[warm ibex]

work on DLC tracks may have been started before the expansion itself

[frail bloom]

So 3 months

[frail bloom]

Interesting since what would they have to go off of?

Both David and Andrew had only a month on tag 1 and 3 months on tag 2

I suppose most of their compositions were after the levels were made

[warm ibex]

which was an emergency hire during the pandemic

I'd say Finishing Move got to work as soon as possible. They plan that stuff ahead

[wintry forge]

Didn’t they start work on the soundtrack for the base game in 2022? If that’s the case, they probably had quite the head start for the DLC

[warm ibex]

I wouldn't imagine they'd need actualy gameplay or anything, concept art and general direction from id would probably be enough

[frail bloom]

What I mean is that composers usually need a sort of idea to base their songs on. They said that they even played the levels in the campaign before composing and since I don't think the dlc is rather done yet, they would need some idea or theme to base their ost on. This also takes into account community feedback, but I'm also removing it bc they would've had 10 months at this point to improve

[warm ibex]

read the above message

[frail bloom]

I wasn't gonna delete allat

Buuuuttt

[wintry forge]

I have faith in them to deliver

[frail bloom]

They prob compose some draft and later on they finalize the song after a level is almost finished being made

Plus it's prob like 6 or 7 levels and I have a feeling that they might repeat songs

I hope not but it might happen

[wintry forge]

I imagine 7 levels at least. Hopefully no repeat tracks due to that

[frail bloom]

I really do hope that we get like 6+ individual songs

I mean Tag had no repeated songs

[wintry forge]

Plus 2 or so boss tracks. There was like 6 boss tracks for the base game lol

[frail bloom]

This is even if they are composing, but it's most likely at this point

David has said he wasn't involved, Andrew is prob composing for the next remaster

[wintry forge]

I’m surprised they aren’t allowed to announce it if it is them

[frail bloom]

Yeah I want to know really bad

If it's FM or a group I hsven't heard of

What other groups or people should compose for Doom?

Josh, give me a thumbs if FM is composing bc I'm a big fan

[wintry forge]

I’d love to see David Levy tackle a full game. But I know he’s not going to for this one. But of course I’m gonna have to go with Trent Reznor

[harsh egret]

Yeah i bet he will thumbs up ur msg

[frail bloom]

Here comes the party pooper

[harsh egret]

Yes

[frail bloom]

Maybe it should be some entirely new group too

It can be anyone really, as long as they understand the baseline of what Doom sounds like

[frail bloom]

Josh, prove this man wrong and bestow your divine affirmation upon us

[harsh egret]

Makes no sense to not have FM work on Doom from now

[harsh egret]

Yh put his job at risk for u Samir

[frail bloom]

Oh yeah true

Can't abuse the system

Sorry Josh

Buuuuttttt he IS here

He does look, that's all I need really

[warm ibex]

absolutely love their work so far but hoping they get someone new after another game or two

[harsh egret]

Why is that

[frail bloom]

Would you want mick to compose forever

[warm ibex]

Doom is never stagnant in any capacity, I think that should apply to the music as well. Let others put their spin on Doom

[frail bloom]

We're thinkers, we say "no"

As much as he's adaptable, he has a certain style

[harsh egret]

Yh but thats more so based on the direction they want to take it. They wouldnt have the same argent metal in a game like dark ages even if Mick was composing

[frail bloom]

And Doom should change styles

[harsh egret]

The direction "they" want to take it as in Hugo

[frail bloom]

It's not just the type of metal but how a song is composed and structured

How Mick masters and mixes is different from David, Andrew, FM, bobby prince

Trent Reznor

Aubry Hodges

[harsh egret]

FM makes fk ton of different music

[frail bloom]

But they won't hold the doom ost monopoly

And they got other songs to compose for too probs

I'd imagine

Or other games I mispoke

Or mistyped

Yup

[warm ibex]

I'm not questioning their ability to make different styles of music, just saying that I think other artists deserve the chance to put their spin on the franchise.

[frail bloom]

I'm sure ID can find talented artists

If the fear is that they hire subpar composers I don't think that'll be the case for a while

New ppl bring new ideas

And opens ppl up to different groups

[harsh egret]

Idk, i would rather keep someone who can do it well and with the ability to change it up accordingly. I'd rather have them keep one thing consistent, they are taking new risks with each game as it is

[frail bloom]

Imagine if Mick composed for every game and dlc we wouldn't accept anyone else

[harsh egret]

Some people already dont

[frail bloom]

Ye and he composed for two of the games

It took like a long time for ppl to accept David and Andrew's style

It's prob dependent on how many times the composer returns and how much hold they have over a franchise(given they're good)

The more they compose, the more ppl get attached

The more time passes, the more they get attached

[warm ibex]

ah, no risk no reward

an all time classic

[frail bloom]

There's a sea of composers out there

Doesn't have to be a metal group

Just a good composer

[warm ibex]

I get where you're coming from Hato, but as Samir said I really don't think think id Software is incapable of bringing in the right artists for the job

If Mick would've stayed, we wouldn't have had all those bangers from Andrew and David. And if those two stayed we wouldn't have 30 tracks of peak from Finishing Move

There is safety in familiarity, but reward to be found in risk. I think id Software knows that very well

[frail bloom]

Imagine if they brought Hiroyuki Sawano

For those who don't know, he's a legend

[red peak]

New risks are good. The glory kill system they added in Doom 2016 was a pretty big risk im pretty sure, and that ended up being one of the best things they ever added to the new games

[frail bloom]

Raise your hand if y'all know Hiroyuki

[warm ibex]

And then changing the glory kill system was another huge risk, and one that payed off incredibly well imo

[red peak]

Yeah exactly

If there were no risks taken, wed never even have Doom to begin with

[frail bloom]

Huh I guess no one knows him

[harsh egret]

i was just strictly talking about the ost

[warm ibex]

we know

[frail bloom]

It applies to everything man

Doesn't matter what factor

[warm ibex]

exactly, no risk no reward is applicable to the gameplay and ost

[frail bloom]

They're gonna take risks whether you like it or not

Literally

[harsh egret]

Was pretty funny when I saw 3kliksphilip mention smth like "why call this game doom?" if they changed so much to the game or smth

[red peak]

Ok, well then to put it in that context, hiring Mick Gordan was a risk, as well as choosing metal for the modern music style

[harsh egret]

His dark ages video was pretty bad

Idk if anyone saw it

[frail bloom]

We don't talk abt that

[warm ibex]

I haven't but I'll give it a watch when I get the time

[frail bloom]

It wasn't even metal at first really

[harsh egret]

Its on his other channel 2kliksphilip

[frail bloom]

It was like dubstep djent metal weird hybrid thingie

Minimal guitars

[warm ibex]

I really like some of Mick's work from Doom 4/rolling reboot 2016. I think that also goes to show that a lot of different styles can work well for Doom

[red peak]

Yeah ik lol but Mick made it metal anyway dispite Id asking him not to

[frail bloom]

Yeah at the end

Basically rip and tear and bfg division

I think...

[red peak]

No, im pretty sure the first track he made was rip and tear and they said no until the end where they added it

Idk, maybe im wrong lol

[frail bloom]

Ye you're right

No that's right

[red peak]

Oh, okie lol

[frail bloom]

Anyways FM is prob composing for dlc and I hope they go even past the campaign ost

In quality

[red peak]

Hopfully, they did amazing imo

[frail bloom]

The minimum I'll except is the best we have

What Lies below, Unholy siege, From the Ashes, Into the Void, Infernal Chasm, WTSFL

In my opinion

I very much like some others too

Like Blood Red, Unchained predator, Pursuit of Demons, Atlan Battleground

And they say there are no great songs...

Plugging their ears or smt

[red peak]

I like pretty much all of them, i have them all added to my metal playlist lmao

[frail bloom]

There's like only 3 I like listening to in 2016

[red peak]

Fr, i heard one guy say it was just basic metal and that it drowned into the background once

[frail bloom]

Prob during the launch period of the game

[red peak]

Yeah, maybe

[frail bloom]

It was mixed horribly, and prob affected a lot of ppls view on the ost

And ontop of that, I listen to youtube mixes, not the official ost, bc the official ost is missing some cool parts

Not their fault and they still composed all the stems so I count it as a win

And I STILL like Eternal's ost more

But hey I get to enjoy multiple ost's

[red peak]

I do wish Micks tracks for Doom Eternal got released, id love to have them on my spotify playlist instead of remakes people have made lol

[frail bloom]

Except 2016 I think it's kinda eh at times imo based on nothing factual

Oh yeah I just remember I had a dream where Midnight was reviewing Hugo and Marty and Midnight was giving the middle finger to Marty the ENTIRE interview even while Marty is talking

It was so surreal

Or not really, wrong word to use

[red peak]

Yeah thats fair, it has a few good songs like Rip and Tear, BFG Division, and Vega Core, but alot of tye others are eh

[frail bloom]

I don't even like Vega core

So uhhh not much I listen to in 2016

[red peak]

Oh

[frail bloom]

But hey Rust dust and guts

[red peak]

I also like the one that plays on the main menu, i forgot the name of it

Harbringer i think, could be wrong tho

Yeah thats the one

[red peak]

Yeah that ones great

I like all of them tbh, the only one im kinda eh about is Flesh and Metal since it doesnt ever get into a real rhythm

[frail bloom]

Wait rust dust and guts has like 50 sec of build up

[harsh egret]

Hellwalker

[frail bloom]

Ugh why did Mick like putting wind noises

[red peak]

It is? Wait let me look it up

[frail bloom]

That's a great one

[harsh egret]

Harbringer is great too

[frail bloom]

Eh

[red peak]

No its Harbringer i was thinking of- i think

[harsh egret]

(Imo)

[frail bloom]

It has like one main riff that it repeats like 7 times

Very repetitive

[harsh egret]

The main menu is hellwalker

Unless u forgot which track was the main menu

[red peak]

Nvm it is Hellwalker lol this is one i was thinking of

[harsh egret]

Nice

[red peak]

Ig i did lmfao

[harsh egret]

I fell in love with that track the first time i opened 2016

I was like holy shit dude this is so good

[red peak]

Listening to it gives me the suttle foreshadowing meme fibes lmao

[frail bloom]

The simple times

[harsh egret]

Samir u are living in the simple times

[frail bloom]

When I was in middle school and I listend to TOTTIFY on my ipad without any ear pieces

Full blast

[red peak]

Frrrr, Doom 2016 was my first Doom game and i smiled sm hearing that when i booted it up for the first time

[frail bloom]

Always simple 'round here🗿

[harsh egret]

I sat there for like 5-10 mins listening to it when i first opened the game

[red peak]

Sameeee lmao

[frail bloom]

I didn't appreciate as much as I do now

[red peak]

I did the same with Doom the Dark Ages menu tbh

[frail bloom]

Prob cuz I was like 7

[frail bloom]

Ye I had the braincells to comprehend how good it was when I listened to the short they produced

I think it was like March?

[red peak]

Short?

[frail bloom]

Ye they uploaded shorts of the ost before release

Little snippets

Comments were a war zone

[red peak]

Oh, i mustve avoided those then lol i usually like to wait until i play the game to experience the music with the gameplay

[frail bloom]

I was the polar opposite

I knew basically everything

[red peak]

I bet they were, some people cant get over Mick leaving

[frail bloom]

And still won't

Until they mellow out

[red peak]

Fr, despite the music being goated

[frail bloom]

I'm sure it'll age like fine wine

It's already pretty damn good wine

[red peak]

Lol fr

[fervent maple]

I don't think this reaction would have been as severe had they not botched the mixing and default settings at launch. Plus a horrendous bug where the music wouldn't play until you reloaded a checkpoint/died.

Like, music at 80 by default? Huh??

Who am I kidding though. I think most of the negative reactions were because of the Mick situation affecting people's judgment. Lots of people were going into it with a bad mindset, partly because it wasn't Mick, but partly because they didnt wanna support bad business practices. I don't totally blame them, but why buy the game at that point?

Also, a not insignificant number of people who like Doom and Doom's OSTs also despise metal. It's kinda surprising.

[harsh egret]

Im part of that number of people probably, I don't like 95% of metal i hear outside of doom

Idk all the genres and subgenres and etc to name them but yeah

[fervent maple]

I beat Pandemonium recently and that was like, my eight 100% run by now; I can't shake the feeling that people like me who played at launch essentially played the beta.

[fervent maple]

A lot of my irl friends really hate metal outside of doom. Only one of my friends is big on it

[harsh egret]

I got 2 of my friends who are both metalheads to play the modern trilogy (one quit eternal early on cuz he didnt like it but anyway) and they both said that the dark ages ost was by far their favourite

[fervent maple]

It's the same for me, this OST was my favorite out of the bunch

It's got so many cool ass references to metal songs

[harsh egret]

Same here tbh, just not "by far" but by a good margin still

[frail bloom]

Eternal's is my fav but dark ages is my second

[fervent maple]

Blood Red is my favorite, it's a play on The Devil In I by slipknot

And that's just so... "Doom" to me

[frail bloom]

I am of the opinion that 2016's is kinda lackluster in comparison

[harsh egret]

Eternal was a masterpiece imo but somehow dark ages surpassed it for me

[fervent maple]

I think 2016's works for that game and it's my second favorite mostly for nostalgic reasons

[frail bloom]

My fav game is still 2016 tho

Dark ages is second

[harsh egret]

Exactly my thoughs but for me its 3rd

[frail bloom]

And no, I'm not a noob

It's purely on aesthetic

[fervent maple]

I think it's where the electronic aspects were at their best and they have the best texture

[frail bloom]

And gameplay at times which dark ages is my fav

[harsh egret]

Did u watch 3kliksphilips vid on dark ages btw

[frail bloom]

Not saying it's worse by any objective means, I just don't jive with it

[frail bloom]

I watched like half and then I left cuz it was very surface level

[harsh egret]

"graphics are dull, ugly and gray" ???

[fervent maple]

Man I love Philip but I've never seen a bigger example of "why isn't new thing like old thing I liked better"

[harsh egret]

What game did bro play

[fervent maple]

I'm glad he at least hammered the point home that it was literally his opinion

[frail bloom]

I think he was saying he preferred the vibrancy of eternal

[harsh egret]

Then he shows ONE area where its like the darkest in the whole game in khalim

[frail bloom]

But it came off as objectively false when he said it was graphically worse

Which is just not true by a LARGE margin

[fervent maple]

The visuals are indeed dull on purpose, it's meant to be gritty and like a Tony Scott film

[harsh egret]

Ok but the rest is just wrong

[fervent maple]

I think like what Samir is saying that he meant to say he enjoys the vibrant look of Eternal, just that it got wrapped up in what felt like an objective video

[frail bloom]

Just compare an imp in dark ages to an imp in eternal

The polygons on the Tda imp are crazy

[red peak]

Fr, its based during the Medival Times i think, or at least inspired by it, what else did you expect?

[fervent maple]

Like it flip flopped a lot between "this is just how I feel" and "this is objectively how it is"

[frail bloom]

Eternals just looks like butter in comparison

[harsh egret]

I havent looked into the in game model but i think the display model viewer has a higher res version iirc

[frail bloom]

Oh

Wellll why would that be

They could've done the same for eternal aswell

[harsh egret]

And they probably did

[red peak]

Also, not to judge or anything lol i mean this jokingly, but how are you a fan of the moddern Doom music and not into metal?

[harsh egret]

Its called optimizing the video game

[frail bloom]

Didn't look like it

[harsh egret]

Unlike some other game that came out a few days ago

[frail bloom]

I'm sure dark ages models have more polygons in general anyway

[fervent maple]

"If you cant run it just refund it"

[frail bloom]

Borderlands 4 lmao

[fervent maple]

Randy continues to be my arch nemesis

[harsh egret]

I was looking at his twitter replies today, the guy is still going

Hilarious

[fervent maple]

Ask him about the USB with the magic tricks on it

[frail bloom]

But hey seperate art from the executive amiright fellas

Right

[harsh egret]

"Let me do some setting optimizing, turn on dlss performance, framegen 4x (xDDD) and disable smth (i forgot what) but its smth that cant even be disabled"

[fervent maple]

Yknow what I hate the most about borderlands? That you can barely do that

[frail bloom]

Well we have our own Randy

He's called Marty

[harsh egret]

Uh

[frail bloom]

Uh what

[harsh egret]

Uhm?

[frail bloom]

What is my comparison off

Is Randy worse???

[fervent maple]

Borderlands 1 I can't like because they pretty much stole the art style from CodeHunters, despite having contacted the guy

[harsh egret]

Brother..

[frail bloom]

What

Seriously what

[fervent maple]

Borderlands 2 I can't like because they funneled funds from Aliens to make that instead

It's like they don't want me to like their products

[frail bloom]

What did I say

[harsh egret]

Not gonna elaborate cuz this isnt the place for it but yes, ur not comparing Marty with Randy

[red peak]

Ngl, ive never played Borderlands

[frail bloom]

Why who's worse

Give me initials

[harsh egret]

Randy tf

Anyway

[frail bloom]

Ok what did Randy do I'm curious

[harsh egret]

Not the place lmao

[frail bloom]

I don't think Randy works at ID software

[harsh egret]

What

[red peak]

Who is Randy??

[frail bloom]

Ok clearly there's smt I'm missing but whatev

No, don't say brain

[harsh egret]

Just look it up lol

We got the internet now

[red peak]

You think youre missing somthing? Lol what about me?

[frail bloom]

What do I look up

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/teachers-series-gif-5589557

How i feel rn

[frail bloom]

I mean from what I heard he's just petty

Did he do smt else

[fervent maple]

Randy Pitchford left a USB with shady shit on it at a convention one time and he dodges any confrontations about it

That's at least one thing

[red peak]

Oh i see-

[fervent maple]

I hope people never forget about that

[frail bloom]

Lol I asked ai and then after it gave the answer it pretended it didn't know

[fervent maple]

The guy's a prick in every single way

[frail bloom]

Well I understand now

Ew.

[fervent maple]

Marty at worst was a typical corpo

Randy at worst is scum

[frail bloom]

Why Marty why

Oh wait

[fervent maple]

All these game devs with Y at the end of their names lol

[frail bloom]

💨

Farty Stratton

Lmao

I get a good chuckle everytime I say that

Fart

Y Stratton

[fervent maple]

There is an ad for a cologne in TAG 2 called Odeur de Stratton

That always made me laugh

[frail bloom]

Oh my god they referenced it

Even ID's in on the joke

Legends

[red peak]

Im supremely uneducated apparently

[fervent maple]

God that reminds me of the old COO for riot games, the guys that made league of legends

Allegedly he would go around farting on his coworkers

[red peak]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-glory-kill-doom-glory-kill-doom-eternal-zombie-gif-18694440

[red peak]

Me fr

[fervent maple]

I've never heard of anything like that before or since

[fervent maple]

Yknow, sometimes it's better to be

Ignorance is bliss

[warm ibex]

sounds like something the guy who made league would do

[fervent maple]

Funny thing is, he didn't have anything to do with the actual making of the game if I recall

Just bros with the co-founders

Both of whom are mega crypto bros nowadays

Somehow the insane shit that happens or happened at Riot never impresses anyone on earth, me included

It's always, "yep, sounds like league of legends"

[harsh egret]

Bro needs to relax

[frail bloom]

[unkempt dragon]

Y'all need to chill

[frail bloom]

No no I know

Already ahead of ya

Now

[fervent maple]

I would like new weapon variants in the DLC

THREE variants

[frail bloom]

They should change the chainball

[fervent maple]

Even MORE overlap

MORE COOL SHIT

[frail bloom]

Make it so if you parry it at the right time it empowers the shot and slows down your enemy or smt

Y'all know the chainshot

It's boring

Gets empowered by parrying an enemy melee

[warm ibex]

add a demon that can parry your attacks

[frail bloom]

Archvile

I already made an animation snippet of that

Uses his long talons to whip the thing

AND if you catch it at the right time, it creates a shockwave

[warm ibex]

but you can also parry their parry, so it's like a game of ping pong until one of you slips up

[frail bloom]

Game of risk and reward

Ok we're kinda spittin rn

[fervent maple]

Horde have you ever played Furi?

There is a boss that does that

[warm ibex]

I've never heard of it!

[fervent maple]

BRO

HUGE recommend

[hard thistle]

Ping pong tournament in hell when

[fervent maple]

It's a boss rush action game from 2016, a mix of a bullet hell and (I guess) a hack and slash

[frail bloom]

Y'know what I'll share my archie model

[fervent maple]

With an OST by big synth artists like Carpenter Brut

[warm ibex]

gave it a quick check on steam, art style is cool and it looks super fast. I'll add it to my wish list and pick it up on sale

thank you bro

[fervent maple]

Art by the guy that did Afro Samurai

But yeah I'd love the ping pong parry, that sounds genuinely fun

Sometimes I wanna put my block button on something else

The lag between pulling the trigger and the block coming through occasionally feels off

[warm ibex]

I wonder what causes that

[frail bloom]

#artwork message
I already drew the body parts and colored it, so this is just the concept art

[fervent maple]

Yeah I'm not quite sure, I'm also not sure if it's worse on Xbox controllers

[frail bloom]

But ye he parries with his talons and he's armored aswell

[fervent maple]

I like the classic head

[frail bloom]

I also mixed the Doom 3 version

[fervent maple]

Very H. R. Giger which I love

[frail bloom]

He's wearing a metal mouth ventilator to look like the classic version

But underneath is his mouth and it contorts to a smile

Like the D3 version

[fervent maple]

Really neat!

[frail bloom]

Ye I wish I could work on it more frequently

But school be schoolin

But I think I can finish it and when I do it'll be be a hit

Or not who can predict these things

Has anyone seen the vagary concept art

It scares me

What's it called to have a phobia of giant humanoid creatures

Cuz it's definetely irrational

But I'm also fascinated by this type of horror

Lemme post the art(again)

#screenshots message

Spooky

My fav is the bottom left

Looks like this horrid thing

Eh maybe not

Gifs are too big

It just creeps me out

But hey I'll just recreate the vagary then

But more traditional

[green estuary]

doesn't parrying by definition have to be "at the right time"

[daring terrace]

OK, I’m stuck in the Cthulhu area where you get the BFC, how do you get the last two crystals?

I’ve been trying to find them for so long and it’s starting to piss me off

[green estuary]

the wraithstones?
if you've already gotten the bfc, I believe it's too late
they're located at two secret landing zones at the top and bottom of the spire

[daring terrace]

FUCK

Great now I gotta reset. I’m going to bed. I’ll deal with this shit tomorrow after work.

[delicate grotto]

You can find both areas the moment you mount Serrat in the level, so it won’t take long

[storm peak]

Hello everyone :)

[exotic jetty]

Your bio is peak

[storm peak]

A

What's wrong with it :1

[exotic jetty]

Wdym?

[junior skiff]

i have been playing Doom The Dark Ages im now playing on Ultra Violence

[uneven mortar]

"Peak" means good

[half marlin]

which weapon is more damaging: pulverizer or accelerator?

like which could kill, say, cyberdemon faster with overdrive

[daring terrace]

I say the Impaler

If you can hit head shots and your blocking skill is good

[meager vortex]

serrat dragon have crucible energy

serrat dragon wing is same energy crucible

[daring terrace]

Hopefully next dlc involves the crucible

[meager vortex]

if doom slayer he found crucible energy from serrat wings

serrat soul not dead!

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doomguy-crucible-doom-slayer-crucible-gif-26209346

fucking vega blocked

[stiff bane]

so does that mean the slayer COULDVE had the crucible or a weapon made by the sentials if he wanted to?

[meager vortex]

maybe he going to making

crucible is serrat dragon soul blade maybe

slayer he know how to use crucible doom 2016 and eternal

[half marlin]

impaler solos but I meant pulverizer vs accelerator

[barren shell]

ooh good idea, never thought of that

[meager vortex]

slayer he focused crucible very much

[harsh egret]

actually iirc the serrat wings are similar to the shield used in, for example, siege 1 intro cutscene when they get first get attacked by azhraks armies

only difference is that its red and not blue i guess

[echo sage]

we all still loving doom the dark ages?

[glacial gorge]

Id love it more if they got rid of the vagary champions acid attack

Oh and the whiplash's very existence

[random sand]

aka the only thing that makes him a challenge?

[glacial gorge]

Lowkey yeah but it also feels cheap

Does damage, slows you down, and its incredibly hard to see how spread out the acid is on the ground

Doom eternal had similar splash type attacks but they always glowed brightly so you easily see the parts of the ground you should avoid

[random sand]

that's what makes it interesting tho. the fact that if you get too close then you can get really punished from the acid. makes you have to think more when fighting the vagary. can't just brute force your way through it without taking serious damage

[hearty edge]

there the accelerator wins probably

[echo sage]

how’s the dlc been so far?

[glacial gorge]

Dunno about that, hes spat acid on me even when i keep my distance. It almost feels like we have to get close to him anyways but occasionally he'll be followed by other demons helping him

Actually not even occasionally, he is regularly followed by other demons

[random sand]

he spits it regardless of where you are but it doesn't go that far. it's like an obstacle in your way and you gotta find a way around it. either shooting him from afar, jumping over it, going around or anything like that

[hearty edge]

honestly the one thing that really made it difficult for me was the respawning mancubi

[random sand]

they nerfed them now. only like one of them there now

[glacial gorge]

I had the most trouble in the one encounter inside cthulus tummy, he had a mancubus and an armored aracnotron following him that particular time

[glacial gorge]

If anything, i just wish the acid didnt slow you down

[hearty edge]

ah that's te regular vagary

[glacial gorge]

Yeah thats mostly what im referring to

[hearty edge]

I don't feel they are much of a threat later on bc of the grenade launcher and the chainshot

[hearty edge]

i second that

maybe keep that exclusive to the champion idk

[random sand]

if it didn't do that then its point would be worthless. its point is catch those who aren't paying attention off guard. if you're mindful of the acid then you can play around it but if you're not then it punishes you

[glacial gorge]

Yeah, i can deal with the acid being hard to spot and doing damage, but the fact that it slows you down itoo is just dumb

[glacial gorge]

Well even if you are paying attention, the acid is still pretty accurate at landing where you are regardless of whether your moving or not, at least from my experience

Not to mention again, you have to worry about the other demons helping him, the mancubus in particular also shooting the same acid attack

[random sand]

it doesn't bother me. if it lands directly at me then i move away from it and stay from it spamming it with shots. think the only time i notice the acid is when i'm too reckless and it ruins my movement and puts me in a bad spot

[glacial gorge]

Well again i have no problem with reacting to the acid, its just the fact that it slows you down that bothers me most. I kinda think any sort of move that slows you down is detrimental to the combat of the game

Death should be your own fault for not being able to move or to dodge efficiently, but a near unavoidable attack that, while doesnt kill you, slows you down is just kinda bleh

[harsh egret]

It's dynamically placed purple goo thats also more punishable, its good design imo

Its 100% avoidable especially if u dont just strafe but you run away from it as its being thrown

[random sand]

it is avoidable tho. i say if it punishes you then that's your fault

[calm hare]

how to start a ripatorium match? I don't see an option to start here: #screenshots message

[half marlin]

choose an enemy lol

[glacial gorge]

Its not purple

Its a yellowish green that sometimes blends in with the ground depending on the level. It doesnt even glow either

[half marlin]

he meant purple goo from eternal....

not literally purple....

[glacial gorge]

Ohhhh that

[harsh egret]

it plays a similar role to the purple goo from eternal yeah

this time its actually used well

[glacial gorge]

Thats not even an attack tho, the purple goo does no damage, its just a level design gimmick

[random sand]

That shit is only used well in one arena and that's it

[glacial gorge]

I think its okay for the most part, since you can easily see it and avoid it skillfully

[harsh egret]

like i said, it plays a similar role, its just a more dynamic purple goo thats more punishing

[harsh egret]

yup

[covert goblet]

How exactly do the hell priests work?

"Eternal" made it clear that they were the order of the deag corrupted from Hell's influence, but "the dark ages" treat them as a hellborn-like entity that served Hell's high council.

[solar spoke]

I think it's probable that the original generation of hell priests were wiped out by John Doom and the Deag ones filled the void left behind by them

[half marlin]

these are different priests

deags are not influenced yet in dark ages probably

as there's a statues of them in aratum

[hearty edge]

some of the deag ones do appear in the dark ages so i suppose there were the og hell priests and then after the sentinel war the deag ones got corrupted

[solid nacelle]

We see Loric but he seems to be isolated from the rest of the priests going by the codex

[frail bloom]

Oops

[frail bloom]

I do think if I would change smt, it would be the color

And make it more visible

It is kinda difficult to know where exactly the boundaries are

Mechanically it makes sense but it's hard to distinguish

It's also why I'm not so keen on a doom game with 2016 style visuals and eternal gameplay, bc the result is a frustrating amalgamation of dark colors

Sounds awesome until you're thinking abt what you're sacrificing

[storm peak]

The translator put it wrong for me

[storm peak]

Now you translated it correctly for me, thanks bro and sorry for the misunderstanding.

[exotic jetty]

It all good gng

[storm peak]

[exotic jetty]

[harsh egret]

i think thats also well designed tbh, pays off learning maybe how big the aoe is and when u see them thrown u get a general idea of where you shouldnt be running around anymore

[frail bloom]

But then you can't really risk anything

Risk and reward

It basically just tells you to be nowhere near it

[storm peak]

Friends?

[frail bloom]

What if you want to jump over it?

Invite some risky movement

But with how it is, it's just occasionally stepping on a green fog puddle

[exotic jetty]

Sure

[storm peak]

🗿

[exotic jetty]

🗿

[storm peak]

At what level can images be sent, or is it not possible?

[grizzled thicket]

Diff chanel or by disc sorcery

[exotic jetty]

From what I know it's not possible, but there is artwork/screeshots but those are for doom related only

[storm peak]

So only in specific channels can images be sent.

[grizzled thicket]

Well no u can send embeds

U just copy the link of a pic and u can send a pic here if I recall corectly

[storm peak]

Ok I understand a little better now.

[grizzled thicket]

Go to general chat and search embed, someone talked about it so maybe you’ll get a better explanation

[storm peak]

Okay

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[green estuary]

I'm sacrificing eternal's bright ass environment/visuals that give me a headache with 2016's better grim/dark ambience, and sacrificing 2016's "almost there but not quite" gameplay for Eternal's
win-win

2016's environment has never been dark enough to obscure your vision, except for the very beginning of res ops where you were specifically supposed to turn on the lights

[fervent maple]

I want another true run and gun doom game

All three of the modern games have been so fucking cool, but I want a proper one where you just run and shoot

[green estuary]

isn't that pretty much doom 2016

[fervent maple]

They feel like FPS fighting games or like DMC more than they do like Doom

[green estuary]

it's got some extra mechanics but it's essentially a run n gun shooter

[fervent maple]

The thing keeping it from being that is the gore nests and other mandatory fights

Very much like DMC, get locked in a room and fight your way out

There are exceptions but I want one like classic doom where you CAN just run to the end of the level if you know what you're doing

[green estuary]

well if you know how to rail boost you can skip a lot if you want to 😂

[fervent maple]

Lmao

But for real, like, no glitches, no tech

Just classic style shooter stuff

I like the idea behind the sprint in dark ages but I also feel like it's in the wrong game

I want another game where you'd actually have to choose when to speed up and when to slow down and aim, like in the originals

[green estuary]

yeah I suppose 2016 kinda emphasized the whole "you're not locked in with the demons, they're locked in with you"

[fervent maple]

Maybe what I actually want is another game like half life 2

[fervent maple]

It's really different from the classics, but I think that's honestly a testament to how well made the new games are

That they still feel like doom while being so different

[solar spoke]

agreed, each game in the new trilogy feels distinct but has that building block in their DNA that just makes them feel like Doom

[red peak]

Any tips for Doom the Dark Ages? I've been stuck relying on the same few guns lol

[green estuary]

I mean it’s the kinda game that doesn’t really mind if you use the same few guns for most things

[solar spoke]

The grenade launcher is really good against the vagary in a pinch, chainshot is fantastic against battle knights, ravager fills the same role as chaingun to a degree so go ham on super heavies with that. Besides that, just play the way you like, every gun is valid

[fervent maple]

Throw your shield a LOT

[green estuary]

Rocket launcher cooks vagaries

[red peak]

Duh lol i do that

[red peak]

Nice, tysm

[warm ibex]

do you like Eternal's QC 2018 visuals more? UI and graphics, I mean

[green estuary]

Yes

[warm ibex]

I like them more after TDA

I'd say the 2018 UI/graphics are equal to the current in-game version for me. I like Eternal's very distinct arcade style but I also wouldn't mind if there was a little more tonal consistency between the three games

I'd kill to play the 2018 Mars Core demo

[fervent maple]

Part of the reason I've moved towards controller play is because Eternal didn't have a walk button on PC unless you bound it with console commands

It can be so moody

[frail bloom]

I mean it's not like I'm speculating, Hugo himself said the game used to have 2016's style until it obscured your vision from seeing certain demons, like that "whiplash in the fog" example Hugo used

[fervent maple]

I play with a lot of mods that restore QC2018's visuals, and I have had cases where I can't see some of the enemies

But it's rare and it's counteracted by the enemies having identifiable silhouettes and very bright eyes

[green estuary]

and then they introduce invisible whiplashes as a regular enemy type

https://tenor.com/view/ironic-star-wars-chode-gif-5274592

[fervent maple]

You can see them in the dark at a glance both there and in 2016 with tricks that Doom 3 used

[frail bloom]

Well yeah in a vibrant enviroment

Eternal is a vibrant game

If you can understand why they removed glorykills in dark ages, you can understand why they changed the artistic style for eternal

It's to serve the game, but

This is abt a new potential game

And it won't play like eternal, so who knows

[green estuary]

considering some of the most annoying rooms in the game are the ones where they purposefully fill up the rooms with fog so you can't see shit, I really don't think I would mind a 5% loss in the ability to identify targets

[frail bloom]

I think 5% is a really low ball

It's more like 30-40%

This isn't 2018 eternal this is like at the beginning of development where it literally looked like 2016

Which duh, it began development after 2016

But it didn't work out

According to Hugo

Whether you wanna call bull or not idk

Honestly dark ages kinda feels like this

But not completely, there's like a 20% loss in identifying targets

[old totem]

Hi, I play the dark ages on the ps5 and my game has gotten pretty buggy lately after playing the ripatorium update. Has anyone else gotten issues with save files that were played before that update now becoming buggy?

[hearty edge]

idk it may be something revolving about the balance changes and the game needing to redo the encounters r something

honestly i havent played my pre 2.0 save so idk

[old totem]

I cant open the map on the campaign save file I was playing before the update and when I press the dossier it actually is stuck on the ripatoriums display. Along with the pause menu being the ripatoriums as well. I was working on getting all the collectibles and noticed that even though I had collected both codex entries on spire of nerathul completion was at 99% with 1/2 codex entries collected. But I have them both I can view them within the codex entries but they aren’t marked as collected. Yesterday I was able to view the map fine but I opened the game about 20 minutes ago and now can’t view the map

[hearty edge]

oh that is weird

[old totem]

I only had a few more levels to get to 100% and now I can’t even veiw the map. Creating a new save is having the game work as normal but I’d rather not relplay the entire game again when I only needed to get like four things to get the save file I was on to 100% completion.

Oh I can’t even view my codex entries at all anymore because that option doesn’t appear in the ripatoriums dossier, which my campaign is stuck on. Good lord. It’s so weird the map was working last night I played for a solid hour at least. Turned my game on tonight and now it’s stuck like that

[frail bloom]

Try submitting a ticket at bethesda.net

If I had a dollar for everytime I said that I'd have like 20 bucks

[old totem]

Oh my god i go to record a video to submit a ticket and the map is working again LOL 😂

[frail bloom]

Oh , well that's good

[stiff bane]

can we agree bethsda has missed potential in the cutscene when the slayer sees the dragon got killed they sold the chance to make a gorey ass cutscene

[proud quiver]

what the best difficulty to play on

[green estuary]

there is no best difficulty

it just depends on how good you are

[solid nacelle]

I think it did a really poor job at conveying the slayers rage in that scene for sure. He sees his dragon dead on the ground and does a really mean glare at azhrak and that's kind of it. I dunno

[glacial gorge]

Prolly cuz we as the audience haven't been too familiarized with the dragon so they didnt wanna force that in

The slayer already hates all of hell from the start too

[solid nacelle]

I guess but if they're gonna have him almost get killed but end up persevering through rage I feel like he could be expressing it a little bit more

[halcyon thorn]

Sup chat

[harsh egret]

Total sidenote but Bethesda did not make the game

[stiff bane]

i forgot

that

i ment ID

[long heath]

idk, depends on your skill level

[arctic flame]

When's the next live stream with Hugo and Joshua?

[topaz oasis]

Hugo sucks, watch me instead

[wheat sigil]

totes

[violet lynx]

when is eternal and 2016 getting reflex and framegen like dark ages

[solar spoke]

Probably next week

[violet lynx]

Hopefully they dont play the shit ages 😊

and play 2016 or eternal 😊

[wheat sigil]

what makes you call it that?

[arctic flame]

You're in the wrong chat bellend

[grave cave]

They did that, it's the dark ages now

[violet lynx]

yeah it really is the dark ages now for doom

[sage schooner]

Do you guys have any favorite mods you use for dark ages?

[topaz oasis]

Probably because it has parries

[half marlin]

another ragebait obv

[wheat sigil]

parries=no creativity and restrictive combat
purportedly

[topaz oasis]

parries were a mistake

if it has parries, bad gaem

[green estuary]

last year
you just didn't get access to it

[red peak]

Am i the only one who thinks the Doom tda ost sounds a bit like the ost from the classic games?

Like just some parts of it

Like theres a part in Unholy Seige where the song is at a resting point and it kinds sounds like one of the songs from the og games

[delicate grotto]

Yeah, the ost has a lot of callbacks to the original soundtrack.
Doom 2016 and Eternal also had this in their tracks.

[red peak]

Yeah, i remember noticing a door sound in Doom 2016 that was from the og games

[rocky badger]

Is Hugo still doing streams and/or hinting at master levels and DLC still? Or is it mostly radio silence and heads down whilst they work?

[green estuary]

Next stream on the 25th

[unreal terrace]

3/10 ragebait

[violet lynx]

ew

we need more content and dlc for 2016 and eternal, not shit ages

[rocky badger]

K, have fun with that

[warm ibex]

man don't even respond to him

it's lazy bottom of the barrel rage bait

[worthy dawn]

Lmao dark ages is peak

[arctic pagoda]

Azrak: "soon, the humans will know Doom, the dark ages"
Slayer: "say that again"

[frail bloom]

I think we should've seen the origin of Serrat

Bc without context the emotions feel less powerful

The codex offers an emotional grounding but most ppl prob didn't read it

Kinda weird to me that ppl found the scene sad regardless like if you read the codex would you bawl your eyes out?

Doomers are a bunch of softies
/j

[arctic pagoda]

There's codex

Yee

[frail bloom]

Ye that's prob the bass parts of the song which is almost all in the other tracks in dark ages, sounds like the imps song a bit no?

[red peak]

Woahhh lol it doesss

Lol i love Doom so much for little stuff like this

[frail bloom]

Yup, it's awesome

[red peak]

I hope they add master levels, thatd be great

[frail bloom]

There's a stream next week, but they've been radio silent basically, besides confirming community preset sharing

Also the dlc puzzles are fun he says

And they're advancing the story in ways ppl are asking for

Kinda worried what that means but hopefully it's for the right ppl

Cuz y'know, we haven't seen the discovery of Nekravol yet

Aaaanndddd Marok was a piece of paper character

Valen was underutilized

And emotionally the story felt a little disjointed

So hopefully they fix allat

👀

But this is constructive no

[solid nacelle]

The dlc should have the nekravol discovery be the ending perhaps and that's what kicks off the civil war. Dark ages has already laid the foundation for the sentinels beginning to question the maykrs so I hope that means things start getting interesting and tensions begin brewing

[frail bloom]

Like for example, Serrats death would be much more impactful if we saw Serrat's origin story

Prob the best example to use, bc it's show not tell

Which they were doing pretty well until they weren't

[solid nacelle]

They should have showed the slayer saving his life like they described in the codex. Would've been awesome if that took place in level 1 like on the beach where the titan is getting assaulted by dragons

[frail bloom]

And ALSO, I'd like to see the sentinels seem like they're winning bc they were kinda lacking this game

Like at some point you have civilians fighting lmao

And a marauder on a stretcher

[solid nacelle]

I felt like the sentinels in general didn't have a lot to do

[frail bloom]

Make Argent D'nur great again✊

[solid nacelle]

They're just background characters in a game that's supposed to have a heavier emphasis on story. Either go all the way or don't man

[frail bloom]

Ye I can excuse it tho bc the game takes place in the time period of like 2 days, but this shouldn't be a mainstay

[solid nacelle]

And the cutscenes are skippable for people who aren't interested anyway

[frail bloom]

The sentinels are strong warriors

They shouldn't be push overs

I guess Ahzrak was a pretty good leader

But yeah maybe establish the marauders too

They were kinda nothing in this game

[solid nacelle]

I want to see khan loyalists or something of that ilk

[frail bloom]

They trained under the slayer y'know they're special

But you see one instructing a cohort and the other on a stretcher

Like bruh

Caught lacking

[frail bloom]

I wanna see the khan

I bet she looks really cool in this engine

With the metallic raytracing stuff

[solid nacelle]

I think it's fine that the khan maykr didn't show up in this particular story but if theyre gonna do the civil war she's gonna be very relevant

[solid nacelle]

True

[frail bloom]

Ye so she should be prob at the end of the dlc when it ends on a cliffhanger

Like the camera slowly reveals her or smt

ANYTHING

There are so many ways to bring back a dub

[solid nacelle]

Idk about all that but she should have a presence

[frail bloom]

Well I'm just spitballing

[arctic pagoda]

The presents

[frail bloom]

In any way I'd like to see the Khan Mayker

If not, fine

Better be worth it

[solid nacelle]

Its neat that they at least name dropped her in a cutscene

[frail bloom]

Yeah that was good

Sometimes I have a little nagging feeling that they forget a lot abt the story

But they're most likely just slowly building things up

[long heath]

Hell chat

[frail bloom]

Chat is Hell

Yes, you're right

But yeah I hope they drop some biiiiigg info next week

Smt NEW

We're almost done with the campaign we need some dlc concept art

Like Hugo said

If I would want to see smt, it would be a new enemy

[burnt finch]

There should be so much stuff in dlc
I hope it will be good

[frail bloom]

It'll def be good, great even

But I want it better than dark ages

In every category

Story, gameplay, music, exploration, pacing

Amt of content

Except level amount obv

And I love dark ages

But it can be better

But for now we need some master levels

[burnt finch]

Marok's death Valen becoming betrayer
I would like to see taras nabad and exultia cause I saw there is taras nabad paint on sentinel barracks and because of argent dnur level
how taras nabad and exultia or any other argent dnur level became like this
And of course how slayer was put in tomb

[frail bloom]

I'm starving

[frail bloom]

I think for that first point, that happens in the civil war

I think they're developing Marok in this one

Bc well, he was a bunch of nothing

And he's a better warrior than his father

Like c'mon now

[burnt finch]

There is 3 hell priest statue in holy city of arathum
Deag Nilox Deag Ranak Deag Grav
Not sure if something will happen about that

[long heath]

A new melee weapon in dlcs is my hope

[half marlin]

sentinel axe 🙏

[long heath]

Maybe idk

I was dissapointed with the melee weapons we got

Power gauntlet was just a normal punching machine with electric shit, Flail is the most badass weapon but it doesn't do any damage. Dreadmace is the strongest but is literally just a spiked club

[half marlin]

sentinel axe might work as a support equipment
like grenades
since we don't really have any equipment in tda (if u dont count shield runes)

but it would be kinda copying that one eternal mod which replaces hammer with axe lol

still, it would work great in tda

[solid nacelle]

They did it first with the marauder in battlemode

[hasty stone]

stream tonight?

[solid nacelle]

Not until next week

[hasty stone]

so i guess they missed 3 in a row

[frail bloom]

No?

They missed this week and last week

So it's 2

[frail bloom]

Still, not very good for marketing

[queen girder]

I love the synergy that the dark ages gives. Yes, it can be built upon, but I just love how much they already is. For example, the cycler and the power gauntlet go really good together because of Jolt, shock and overload. I like how they feed into each other.

[frail bloom]

Dlc def gonna build upon the base game

According to Hugo

[queen girder]

(I also want the demonic crucible for the DLC)

[frail bloom]

Oh you saw that IconofSimp vid?

[queen girder]

what vid?

[frail bloom]

Oh so you just know abt the lore then

[queen girder]

Yeh. That's why I love the dark ages so much.

[frail bloom]

On a channel called IconofSimp, his most recent vid is abt the demonic crucible

And how it can fit into the dlc

[queen girder]

Because here's the thing it wouldn't make sense for us to have the sentinel crucible just because of the fact that it's in the titan as of currently

And we don't really know much about the demonic crucible so you know.

[frail bloom]

Plus it's on sentinel banners

[queen girder]

The only problem with that is that the demonic one is already in Sentinel architecture

[frail bloom]

So clearly it's important

[queen girder]

Like it's already on banners and what not

[queen girder]

it can't really be discovered because clearly we already know about it

[frail bloom]

Yup, since it's on banners, it was used before

[queen girder]

But then again by the looks of it. The sentinels didn't really know about the heart of Argent either, and that was an artefact of their creation (probably maybe.)

[frail bloom]

I don't really see how or when tho

[queen girder]

Exactly

So either it got lost or something else entirely

[frail bloom]

Idk if it's being revered or what

[queen girder]

You remember how there was like. Three distinct statues. For like the 2016 online multiplayer DLC.

[frail bloom]

Bc it's demonic, and as we know for now, the slayer only used his

[frail bloom]

Yup, all in the IconofSimp vid

Hol on he knows way more maybe he can converse with you

[queen girder]

There was like. The makyr angel. Then the wraith. Like an actual wraith. And then this other demonic looking one which was holding the crucible.

[queen girder]

Im down

[frail bloom]

@wintry forge Why do you think the demonic crucible is on banners and who was holding the crucible?

In the 2016 multiplayer map

[queen girder]

Because as far as I'm concerned, there's only four types of realms in doom

[frail bloom]

But yeah as he said, ID is usually very deliberate in enviromental storytelling or foreshadowing, so it means smt

[queen girder]

Human realms like earth and shit.

[frail bloom]

I just don't know what

[wintry forge]

There’s a lot to say about that lol. Not to self advertise but I have a whole video on that

[queen girder]

and then there's like cosmic realm then there's urdak and then hell(jekkad)

[frail bloom]

Ye I guess you should just look over at the vid then

It's like 30 min

[queen girder]

OH THIS GUY

NVM

[wintry forge]

Every minute connects it to the same story. It all comes back to the cosmic realm

[frail bloom]

Lmao

[queen girder]

I KNOW HIM

Kind of stupid, not gonna lie

[frail bloom]

It happens

Kinda sucks we have to wait another week

[queen girder]

I didn't realize it was him. Yeah I've seen that video. I just never looked at the creator.. my fault gng

[frail bloom]

Is it ALWAYS gonna be like this

2 week intervals with no info?

[wintry forge]

There’s definitely an Argenta prophecy. One separate from the one from the 2016 demon tree story. But I think there’s a solid history there with the sentinels^

[queen girder]

That was always my question the demonic crucible, kinda just shows up.... everywhere...yk?

there was that one privacy that you could like hear if you were next to the tree or some sht. It was in doom 2016. I'm not sure which tree of which hell level. but it was like a demonic prophecy or something to do with the crucible maybe

Prophecy* sorry I'm using voice type right now

[frail bloom]

I don't think that's canon anymore?

[wintry forge]

Yeah, one separate from that. That alludes to the future, but I think there’s a prophecy from the past

[frail bloom]

It's the one with the big bad demonic priest right

Ye so in some eternal sequel we're gonna fight a big evil demon priest

[queen girder]

https://youtu.be/TwywAjUrQ2M?si=FP8BMzLWzKnClVBN

[wintry forge]

Yeah. “Dark Priest” can be just a general term for anything really

[frail bloom]

Ye but it's def an important demon

If it strikes fear in the slayer, iirc

Was that how it went?

Or did the dark priest scare other demons

Smt abt scaring but I don't remember

[wintry forge]

The slayer is what it said I think. But that’s unlikely in reality obviously

[frail bloom]

Well it's in the future

So it's unlike anything we've seen

Must be a really big bad demon

[queen girder]

It talks about the dark crucible, corrupting all realms

But the thing is it already does show up everywhere. Like literally. Everywhere. It's already in hell it's already in Argent d'nur. we could probably explore another part of the cosmic realm where it's going to be present. And it showed up on tablets from Mars in "the human realm" (but then again I guess that's kind of a stretch because it could be possible that the tablets that were in Samuel Hayden's room with the sentinel and slayer statues depicting the crucible. They could also originate from some portal that was found on Mars. But like I said, it could be a stretch.)

my bad about the paragraph guys😅

[frail bloom]

You've seen literally nothing

That paragraph you wrote is standard

Plus, it adds to the discussion

And this chat sorely needs some discussion

[queen girder]

I'm talking about the architecture. Like the banners and what not.

[frail bloom]

Well yeah

[queen girder]

Like the demonic crucible has already shown up in a bunch of places

[frail bloom]

It hasen't appeared in the cosmic realm tho right

[queen girder]

I wouldn't say it's necessarily corrupting, but it's kind of weird that it's showing up there

[wintry forge]

No it hasn’t, but there is a big fat green eye right there on the hilt

[frail bloom]

Hmm

[queen girder]

That's what I'm saying. Like it hasn't shown up there so maybe we're in the process of living the prophecy(of course we know how the entire entire story ends. But still.)

[frail bloom]

?

[wintry forge]

Watch that cosmic realm segment on my vid if you want. the hell guards also strike some resemblances to it the cosmic realm. I think there’s some influence there

[frail bloom]

When do we think this event happens

Like pre 2016? Or post eternal

[queen girder]

Well, it's definitely before the slayers testaments

[frail bloom]

Ok so what we listened to in 2016 was the remnants of that

Hell didn't update it lmao

[queen girder]

Yeaa

It's kind of hard to fit something so obscure into a timeline and treated as important

I mean, it's either that id software are geniuses in worldbuilding. Or everything kind of just fell into place by accident

Just like the immora soldiers looking the same as one of the skins for the multiplayer in 2016(I think so at least. Feel free to prove me wrong on that one. I'd like to know myself. I don't exactly have 2016 installed. Rn)

[queen girder]

The parasites definitely have a resemblance

[lusty valve]

Hello, Hey quick question does anybody having problems replaing levels?
Like some Upgrades demons dont let you glorykill them getting you softblock and also when you die appears the menu of the RIPATORIUM?

[queen girder]

Yes

For me, it happens when I try to go into quick swap mode from a shield bash(every once in a while)

[lusty valve]

And also a cool thing thats happening with new bug of the base game getting mix with the RIPATORIUM is that you can change the song of the level you are replaying until you get softblock

[queen girder]

I'm personally enjoying ancestral beast. Unchained predator and blood red.

I like infernal chasm and Unholy Siege, but I just prefer the three I have right now

[lusty valve]

I love Into The Void, What Lies Below and Unholy Siege

[queen girder]

Btw bro my bad if it kind of seemed like I was talking over you in Chat

[lusty valve]

I really love the direction they take with the cosmic horror, my favorite levels of the whole game

[wintry forge]

Same. They have the best atmosphere and designs imo

[queen girder]

I hope they bring the meat hook back, but like in a different kind of way.

[frail bloom]

Huh no problem man it didn't feel like that at all

[queen girder]

like you know how the chainshot has a ball. What if we had like a spear? Or sumth yk. Like an inspiration for the meathook

[frail bloom]

It can work like the D3 dlc gun

[queen girder]

Like what if we had a second chain shot weapon for that class. And it was like a meat hook, kind of replacement.

And just another thing, I really hope they tweak the shield runes with specifics

[wintry forge]

Definitely would have to change the meathook up a lot, but that would be interesting. I like the chainsaw traveling tho

[frail bloom]

Well make it fling demons

[lusty valve]

Like an exclusive mobility gun?

[queen girder]

Kind of sort of

[frail bloom]

Nah make it a source of damage

[queen girder]

I suppose that if it was exclusively for mobility, it would have to be something that has mechanics similar to the BFC. Where you can't have your shield out during it. Maybe the primary fire would be something like the microwave beam but with a physical chain instead. And then because you can't have your shield up during it. The option for throwing your shield and blocking would be replaced by pulling the enemy towards you or pulling yourself towards the enemy. Yk?

Like you would get both options

And I supposed to upgrades would be. Armour piercing jump canceling, and then like a greater shockwave from slamming into your enemy or Ground from a jump cancel

[lusty valve]

I would like a more emphasis in melee combat
maybe new animations between hits or maybe perform different combos by moving the joystick or pressing a button or hold the melee
And maybe unique glorykill animation with the different melee weapons from above

[frail bloom]

That's a good idea

It can work like odm gear

You can attach meathook points on a very large demon

Like this lemme show an example

#screenshots message

You meathook on the core

Hol on I have much higher res photos

[queen girder]

It's either like that or you make it an alternative for the shield. Like instead of having a shield, you get a meat hook. (But that comes with a whole slew of upgrades.)

[frail bloom]

#screenshots message

[frail bloom]

No it's still like that, your shield goes down when you use the meathook

Otherwise it's overpowered

[queen girder]

like you don't get rid of the shield entirely, but you have the option for an alternative. Like instead of throwing your shield or doing a shield bash. You get a hook. Of course they would have to buff. The shield bash to a UNFATHOMABLE degree to keep it viable.

Like make it so that the shield bash recovers may lay faster and gives you ammo faster. Or just something else entirely. Make it a sacrificial choice to choose between a hook option or a shield bash option.

[frail bloom]

But yeah I'd love some giant demon humanoids

[queen girder]

OR ANOTHER IDEA

Do you know how when you throw your shield and it sticks to a hell knight or something like that?

do you know how when you press the shield button again. It does nothing.

What if you throw your shield and whoever it sticks to. YOU CAN HOOK OFF EM

[lusty valve]

It would be great a screen indicator of when the shield bash is ready like in eternal with the fire and grenades

[queen girder]

Speaking of screen indicators.....

[lusty valve]

Like the thing that happens when you throw it to the green meat thing?

[queen girder]

They need to update it so that when I block something with my shield, it doesn't look like I'm taking damage

[queen girder]

Something like that

[queen girder]

They need to make it like gray or something. Tell me why I feel like I took damage even though my SHIELD is the thing that took damage.

Like I don't know what it is, but whenever I block an attack, it just feels weird because I know I blocked it, but it looks the same as if I actually took the attack

[frail bloom]

Oh so a self made meathook point

Saving that idea...

[queen girder]

Yes

And it doesn't even just have to be demons like give me the option to lodge the shield into other places and let me meet hook off of it.

And to balance it out, give it a cool down or something.

[frail bloom]

These are some very cool ideas

If only some really cool guy saw them

[queen girder]

make it like a fifth melee weapon (in addition to the demonic crucible.)

[frail bloom]

👀

[queen girder]

Because I want the crucible in the game very badly

[frail bloom]

Ngl Hugo should be in here more often

When he's on break he can come in here

[queen girder]

Of course, I understand that they don't just wanna fan service everything because they wanna leave the door open for other games and I'm not saying close the door completely. BUT CMOOOOON

[frail bloom]

He never has doom off his mind anyway so I don't think he'll mind

[frail bloom]

They said they're advancing the story in ways that ppl want, no idea how or what that means but hey could be a W

I don't expect any dlc trailers till december sadly

[lusty valve]

It would be cool
And also like having two different upgrade path like a more mobility route and the other like damage or explosive route
Like getting my idea out you see theres the upgrade that is you kill lower demons with the throw shield you get like charges for a bigger shield bash it would be cool like if you kill or get "glorykills" with the shield bash agains heavy demons you get a deffirent type of charge that makes you like a bigger explosion of the shield bash or something like that idk

[frail bloom]

Maybe a concept art or two but anything beyond that I can't imagine

[long heath]

I miss the meathook

[frail bloom]

I'm really interested how the dlc is like the eternal version of dsrk ages which would be the 2016 version

I know it's not completely to that extent but like what does that mean

[queen girder]

and if they're not gonna give me a meat hook. GIVE ME A RAILGUN. And I'm not talking about the rail spike impaler i'm talking about a gauss cannon or a ballista. Make it based off of cosmic realm, energy, or some sht

[frail bloom]

More mobility options, new mechanics, doubling down on old mechanics?

I wanna KNOW

[queen girder]

And I understand that they're trying to go in a new direction. But please.... please please please..... if you're gonna do one thing for the DLC.... do this.... give me back my double jump

[frail bloom]

I don't think that's happening

Ground falters are powerful

Imagine heavy faltering things constantly

I want omni sprint but they ain't doing it

I guess for good reason

[queen girder]

That's fair

But still, I just wish I had one.

[cunning slate]

Cosmic railgun could look badass. Would need to pack a punch, and probably have a pretty long cooldown to be balanced.

[frail bloom]

Maybe for the next game

Idk depends on how they balance the double jump

[lusty valve]

Maybe like a trade you get the doble jump but you no longer ground falter

[frail bloom]

Oh well there you go

[queen girder]

And they have to come out with melee skins.....

[frail bloom]

Idk we're spitting ideas out

[queen girder]

like imagine how awesome it would be if you could replace your dread mace with a sentinel hammer....

not the crucible because that wouldn't make as much sense.....

[frail bloom]

So from what I understand, they got the puzzle side of things nailed

But what abt combat I wanna hear more abt that

And the music I wanna hear a snippet

A good 'ol FM snippet

[queen girder]

Fair

[frail bloom]

Or like literally anything

[queen girder]

They should also come out with like a roguelike mode.

[frail bloom]

Master levels, ripatorium, something

[frail bloom]

That's where your weapons are randomized right

[queen girder]

Yes

[frail bloom]

Well they did that in eternal sorta

But it fits this game more

[wicked estuary]

What upgrades do i do if I have 5 ruby things 400 gold and a purple thingie

[queen girder]

What's upgraded right now for you homeboy

[frail bloom]

I'd love to have the ability to change the arena each wave in the Ripatorium

Bc not all arenas are equal

[wicked estuary]

Alot of shield stuff😃

[frail bloom]

I can make like a mini hord mode campaign

Literally infinite replayability

[queen girder]

Good. What weapons do you like to use?

[lusty valve]

I would like a more dev levels for RIPATORIUM bc later i make mysefl impossible challenges

[wicked estuary]

Shotgun rocket launcher and chainshot

[frail bloom]

So far I haven't touched Dark ages in a while now

[queen girder]

Which shotgun?

[wicked estuary]

Super

[queen girder]

🤝

[frail bloom]

I made like 11 presets and played the campaign 6 times so y'know just waiting for the next update

[wicked estuary]

Prolly use super the most of any weapon

In eternal too

[queen girder]

I like to use super shotgun out of all of the weapons, but the thing is....

if you're gonna UPGRADE

Then you should focus on the other two because they have special abilities and stuff like that.

[wicked estuary]

I like the things that do alot of damage pair that

With the melee that reloads your ammo

[queen girder]

like the super shotgun does a ridiculous amount of damage. A cooked rocket is like a tiny "B F C" shot. (tiny, but if it's comparable to the BFC. It HAS to do a lot of damage. And it does.) and your. Bowling ball is good for parry exchanges with armoured enemies in particular. Ex: armoured: manc, pinky rider, (pretty much any armoured enemy really).

But if you're going for damage. You should go upgrade the super shotgun or the rocket launcher. Because the rocket launcher can keep you alive after a you know because you have the self heal and all. (But if you wanna have fun just upgrade the super shotgun man😎)

[frail bloom]

I use the rocket launcher and csg

For armor and all

[queen girder]

because you can just rock the power gauntlet and then do. Melee, melee, ssg, melee, bash, ssg-implaer-ssg. ("-" means you're in Quickswitch mode. Which happens after a shield bash.)

And I'm gonna be honest with you I gotta put you on game. USE THE IMPALER. It's actually so good.

[green estuary]

not necessarily
the reload upgrade of the ssg doesn't do a whole lot if you're shield swapping, but the armor damage upgrade is enormous
and the pellet upgrade is just a flat 15% damage increase

and, lest we forget, a point blank ssg shot with the wraithstone upgrade still deals as much damage as a cooked rocket

[wicked estuary]

Hmm impaled ehh

[queen girder]

......

[queen girder]

I didn't know that

[wicked estuary]

I gotta labotomize my enimies

[queen girder]

Yeah, upgrade the implaer fully first I'm not gonna lie. It's just all around a really good gun.

[green estuary]

it does
a cooked rocket deals 12000 direct + 4500 average splash = 16500
point blank ssg with wraithstone deals 1100 x 15 pellets = 16500

[wicked estuary]

Salvage or chronospike?

[queen girder]

SALVAGE

[green estuary]

impaler is boring as fuck

[queen girder]

NEVER chrono spike

[green estuary]

not to mention it has the most egregious example of aim assist I've ever seen in a doom game

[wicked estuary]

Bet

MAX UPGRADED IT

Hehehehaw

Oooo acupuncture

[queen girder]

Because of this

[queen girder]

And this

[wicked estuary]

Hehehehaw

DAM ITS GOOD

[queen girder]

Make sure to use your shield with your impaler

[queen girder]

Because when you get ammo back it buffs salvage. And you get ammo back by bashing or throwing your shield

[wicked estuary]

OMFG I KILLED AN EMPOWERED ENEMY WITHOUT RUNNING OUT OF AMMO

[queen girder]

(Although I do think it got nerfed a little little bit)

[queen girder]

Care 2 confirm @green estuary ?

[green estuary]

the dreadmace drops got nerfed

[wicked estuary]

Do i even need to swap weapons,