the-dark-ages

[wintry nexus]

Take ur time Sneaky

[harsh egret]

Lol

[wintry nexus]

Ooo he’s silent now

Nvm

[harsh egret]

SneakyJaycool is typing...

[obsidian shard]

Acolyte,
Ballistatron,
Titan,
Armored Titan,
Cyclops Titan,
Agaddon,
Cacodemon Hybrid,
Battle Knight,
(Stalkers/Nightmare Imp Stalkers-Sort of),
Cosmic Baron,
Mortar Mancubus, uhh I think that's it

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedrunner-epic-gamer-sweatyspeedrunner-gif-22461398

[green estuary]

Bro let him look them up himself

[wintry nexus]

You wasted your time hun

[harsh egret]

No, sneaky is the wiki

[obsidian shard]

Let me cook

Words

[wintry nexus]

Dude

[harsh egret]

Wise words

[wintry nexus]

Very

[obsidian shard]

I'm Building the DOOM: TDA Puzzle

Like 30 Hours within the span of week so far

Its almost done

[harsh egret]

Oh fuck i was gonna buy it thanks for reminding me

[obsidian shard]

Just Fits on my desk

And I mean JUST

[harsh egret]

Gotta glue that shit and frame it

[wintry nexus]

fucking dumb aggadon projectile

[obsidian shard]

Getting a Frame soon

[green estuary]

Homing projectiles are so OP in this game

[harsh egret]

Nicee imma buy it rn

[obsidian shard]

68x48cm btw

[harsh egret]

Yep pretty big

[green estuary]

Oh btw for all the guys/gals on pc
I have a mod up on nexus that reverts the ssg nerfs from the last update if you want to use it

[obsidian shard]

Ohhh Coolio

[harsh egret]

I said this before but i dont mind how it is now xd

I know, i know..

[green estuary]

waves pitchfork angrily

[harsh egret]

I just feel like i have to time my shot better and be more thoughtful with it

[green estuary]

Tbh I’m against overly restrictive enemy damage mitigation more than anything else

[obsidian shard]

I play 50% so everything does no damage

[green estuary]

Like the fact that hell knights and pinkies take 46% damage from the ssg just feels so arbitrary

[green estuary]

Me when it takes 8 point blank ssg shots to kill a mancubus

[obsidian shard]

Its peak

[green estuary]

To each their own ig

[obsidian shard]

(Only cause Mancubus)

[green estuary]

It must be such a pain killing superheavies with literally anything other than the accelerator/ravager

[upbeat junco]

the humble rocket launcher

[obsidian shard]

Chainshot and RL are pretty good

[green estuary]

I like rocket dueling cybers

[obsidian shard]

In return for less damage I have Higher Resources

[green estuary]

Ah ok

[obsidian shard]

And rest is Nightmare settings

[indigo sparrow]

Where can I report this bug?
At level 20 of Doom The Dark Ages, I can't progress. I get a message about the Atlan Dash, but it won't let me advance. Some say it appeared after the last update. Where can I report this bug so they can fix it?

[obsidian shard]

Bethesda Support I say

I think it's from Tutorials being on

[sudden stump]

If you're talking about the blue barrier on kreed's ship - you need to shoot your plasma gun at it to progress

[harsh egret]

yeah its that

[sudden stump]

not sure why it shows the Atlan dash tutorial though.. I guess they're reusing the same barriers from level 3 and it triggers the tutorial

[frail bloom]

Well I think it would be doable

Have you played my preset

[green estuary]

yeah I have
enjoyed it as a challenge but it doesn't quite feel like something that should be in a dlc level
maybe in a crazy ML though as a final arena

although then again, I'm forgetting that the bfc is a thing

[harsh egret]

at the same time i think they wouldnt do it, maybe 2 leaders

but back to back 3 leaders sure

[frail bloom]

Oh alr fair

Waiting for y'all to suggest something

[green estuary]

i'll go get my preset in a sec

[obsidian shard]

Kreed has the Blue force field around him too, which you can blow up using the plasma guns

[hard thistle]

HE WORE THE CROWN OF THE NIGHT SENTINELS, AND THOSE THAT TASTED THE BITE OF HIS SWORD NAMED HIM...

THE DOOM SLAYER

[frail bloom]

Sir this is a Wendy's

[obsidian shard]

Mucho Burrito

I LOVE BEING CANADIAN

[obsidian shard]

Haha ya, most definitely that

[hard thistle]

🐻

[obsidian shard]

Har har har

[hard thistle]

YOU DARE MOCK ME PEASANT YOU WILL PAY FOR YOUR SINS

[obsidian shard]

BFC my beloved

[green estuary]

Cyberdemon leader + komodo + cosmic baron
imp stalker x4 + hell knight x2 + battle knight x1
one of each pinky/armored pinky arachnotron/armored arachnotron and mancubus/armored mancubus
whiplash x1 + revenant x2
zombie x10 + soldier x10 + heated/unheated shield soldier x5 + chaingunner x1 + imp x3

58 enemies total

[obsidian shard]

Peam

[green estuary]

if you're feeling masochistic replace the cosmic baron with an agaddon

[obsidian shard]

My Twitch will like that

They love me suffering

[green estuary]

took me like 12 tries yesterday without the bfc lmao

[terse parcel]

Any tips on the Forsaken Plains on Max Sliders?

I’m at the arena against the cyber demon that gives you more health

[obsidian shard]

Cry

[harsh egret]

shoot demon

[terse parcel]

That’s what I thought lol

[obsidian shard]

Cry in the corner and come back later

Its suffering

Pure torture

[terse parcel]

Already did. Didn’t work sadly

[green estuary]

does max sliders include 50% damage to demons
because if so I've got nothing lmao

[terse parcel]

50% to demons

[obsidian shard]

Mmm 50% Damage

[terse parcel]

500% to slayer

[velvet elbow]

What’s gud

[obsidian shard]

Me

Hato too

And Katsu

[sudden stump]

Man I really want to like 50% damage to demons but it seems like a little too much in some fights

[velvet elbow]

Am I not gud? :(

[green estuary]

if you're crazy/skilled enough to play on those sliders to begin with then you've got no business asking us

[terse parcel]

It’s funny though because I would have had that arena beaten by now if they chose another demon to be the leader than a Cyberdemon

[obsidian shard]

Can you?

[terse parcel]

70% of deaths are because of the crowd control on his spikes

[green estuary]

cyberdemon leaders (cybers in general) are such pricks tbf

[velvet elbow]

I can gud

[obsidian shard]

Final Fight with the Vagary rematch is tuff but very Doable

I've done a whole campaign on 50%

[terse parcel]

They really are. And I don’t wanna sound like one of those “salty gamers” but the way the spikes function feels like total RNG

[obsidian shard]

Use impaler

(if maxed)

Otherwise I suggest Using armor Load out

[green estuary]

I think they might be one of those non-projectile attacks that are affected by projectile speed
like it might be giving you less time to avoid them before they damage you

they're fair on regular projectile speed but I'm sure on max it can feel kinda bullshit

[obsidian shard]

Use Ground Fissure rune, Flail, and Combat Shotgun

Survivability is nuts

(All armor stuff)

[green estuary]

it's different if you're on min resources

[obsidian shard]

True true

[green estuary]

all your survivability options kinda just boil down to "don't get hit lmao"

[obsidian shard]

I have an idea

Don't die

Honestly no clue

[terse parcel]

I’ve also done a wacko strategy. I keep the buffed arachnotron (blue one) on the right side alive and farm armor and health from his minions he keeps summoning LOL

But still… 3 hours + another 3 hours the other day and I can’t beat this thing…

It’ll come one day

[sudden stump]

Would be nice if we could have separate sliders for both health and ammo. Like I want less ammo but I also don't want med pick ups restoring only 5 hp lol

[green estuary]

honestly the cyberdemon leader fight can get a little tricky even for me on 100% game speed, no slow mo and min parry
max sliders is probably 5x harder at least

[terse parcel]

Really it’s just the spikes that screw with me at the end of the day lol

[velvet elbow]

Love the new skin, beautiful

[obsidian shard]

Ong.

[terse parcel]

Oh damn I haven’t seen that in game yet

[velvet elbow]

They are cooking with the skins even tho it’s just color swaps

Then again the base skin is so fucking badass

[obsidian shard]

The reason for no Model changing cosmetics is due to The Zombie bit

[velvet elbow]

Well I don’t mind

[obsidian shard]

(Real time Cutscenes too)

[green estuary]

yeah they can just obliterate your stack
and then if you miss a parry when you're 1v1ing him you're just toast

[sudden stump]

rip classic armor concept art

[velvet elbow]

Although give me my god damn zombie skin that’s all I want

[green estuary]

although is the rocket launcher's cannibalism upgrade affected by resource values?

that could be the key

[velvet elbow]

I think it may be affected by distance

Closer you are the more health you get

I think?

[green estuary]

yeah the more splash damage you take the more you heal

@terse parcel have you tried that?

[harsh egret]

@obsidian shard i ordered the puzzle and the tda rubber ducky

also went and bought a few extra goodies from fanattik cuz why not

[green estuary]

Doom the duck ages

[harsh egret]

lmfao yep

[obsidian shard]

Hell yeah I got the Duck and it's Awesome, and Fannattik is Great, But Pricey on some things for me

[harsh egret]

any clue why when i put went to my cart on fanattik it randomly discounted everything by like 10-15% or smth

i was like damn alr ill take that lol

like the tda collectible coin is 12.50p on the website but in the cart it takes it down to 10

[obsidian shard]

God damn

I got the Collectible Coin and Medallion from just geek

Most of my "Big things" For merch come later tho

Shadowbox, Vinyl OST, Artbook

Shield saw Replica

[harsh egret]

ah yeah im getting the artbook and smth else cuz i saw orders over 100 have 20% off

the vinyls already ordered ye

[obsidian shard]

Vinyl is my most Anticipated thing

[harsh egret]

other than all of this i might have to limit myself cuz then ill be spending too much for me atm lol

[harsh egret]

oh yeah for sure

[obsidian shard]

Did you get the 2 Pack or 4 Pack?

[harsh egret]

4 pack

[obsidian shard]

Awesome

Thank God for my job 🙏

[harsh egret]

lmao ye i should get me one of those

[obsidian shard]

I just got lucky through my school

[grim cloud]

I’m am not goin to finish TDA at Quakecon

I tried, but I’m getting my ask kicked

Nightmare, no lives and no slowdowns

I’m surprised how much better the game feels without slow down shit

[sudden stump]

Less slowdown makes a huge difference, and I'm glad it can be customized. I don't like having it at 0%, but 100% is too slow so I prefer 40%

not as customizable as it is with kaibz mod where I can make it feel like a proper hitstop, but good enough

[grim cloud]

I’m have it at zero lol. Doomguy boxes like a champ

It feels good. Never knew I needed this change until this update

[green estuary]

with the flail it's especially nice

the animation doesn't feel like you're dragging it through the mud

[sudden stump]

Gauntlets are funny though because you can just go full jotoro kujo against a cyberdemon lol

[fathom valley]

Is the dark ages worth buying now

[grim cloud]

That is a good question

YES

But check ur pc specs.

[delicate grotto]

Always has been, but it has more value to its price now with the recent update. A shit ton of content is still planned, including a potential Master Level/NG+ campaign.

And (hopefully) the Ripatorium mode will continue to be updated with more content and customization options.

[sudden stump]

I jealous of people who get to go into the game blind after this patch

[delicate grotto]

I wish the game released with these additions. I wouldn’t have minded waiting until August but it is what it is. At least the devs were able to get a lot of feedback and rework things accordingly.

They’ve been doing a helluva job imo

Development is moving fast

[fathom valley]

It's on discount right now

[green estuary]

yeah it's 25% off

[fathom valley]

Which edition is the better one to buy

[grim cloud]

ng+ campaign?

[green estuary]

it's not confirmed obviously
but there's a NG+ field in the debug menu when you use the console unlocker
people have definitely overreacted to it

[frail bloom]

Dude if they are working on master levels and it says ng+, it only means one thing

I don't see how it is an overreaction it's tying the pieces together

A ng+ is a master level campaign

"Something very fun with master levels on the way"

[green estuary]

look, it's a debug menu option
it could very easily been used for testing the campaign with a fully maxed save

nobody knows, because it doesn't do anything in the console unlocker

[frail bloom]

Bc they can't have you plaaaaayyyy

[delicate grotto]

The normal one is just fine.
Other versions just give you some extra skins, and include the upcoming DLC.

[frail bloom]

Listen all I know is that they are working on master levels

[green estuary]

I would obviously love to believe we're getting a NG+ in tda
but it's too much speculation to go off of a header in a debug menu

[frail bloom]

And that they have a NG+

Put the two together

[delicate grotto]

Unless you’re referring to different platform editions?

[obsidian shard]

I mean it's One of the most Requested Features

Outside of the now Horde Mode gaming

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/iceglovescrazy-gif-7850421564187786747

[grim cloud]

No shit

[obsidian shard]

Hii Samir

[harsh egret]

It's not confirmed sure but I do agree with Samir that its pretty much confirmed to me atleast

[frail bloom]

Hello

[frail bloom]

The stars are aligning

[obsidian shard]

Maybe next MAJOR Update

[grim cloud]

Well I think we need to start talking about ng++

[harsh egret]

Still a chance its not actually true but either way smth big is being cooked

[obsidian shard]

(Update 1 was not really a Major Update)

[grim cloud]

When Hugo?

[obsidian shard]

Hugasm

[harsh egret]

Lets see if hugo answers it next stream or if he reads the question and just doesnt answer :d

[grim cloud]

And then there is ng+++

When Hugo?

[obsidian shard]

Hugasm

[green estuary]

[harsh egret]

It's always "when, hugo?"
But never "How's Hugo?"

[obsidian shard]

Why Hugo?

[harsh egret]

Why is Hugo?

[grim cloud]

Hugo doing good. At least from what I can tell when talking with him

[obsidian shard]

Hugasm

[obsidian shard]

Tell Him I say Hi! (TRUST)

[harsh egret]

Lmao that's great

Tell Hugo to make a twitter account cuz theres some good stuff being posted there by me and others and theres some pretty good suggestions and discussions about updates and such

[frail bloom]

Tell Hugo to hop on discord I got some stuff to say

[harsh egret]

Yes hugo hop on vc

[grim cloud]

Hugo use to be on discord. Not so much now

[frail bloom]

I know he's still here

[grim cloud]

He uses Facebook

[harsh egret]

Classic Hugo

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-grandpa-gif-11055948006915227502

[harsh egret]

Lmao

[grim cloud]

Should we ping him?

[frail bloom]

Man, the best discussions are in discord

[harsh egret]

Hah prob not :d

[frail bloom]

No.

You'll prob get a warning

[harsh egret]

Not sure if mods would allow it, pretty sure last time a while ago we got a warning lol

[frail bloom]

Every other discussion on different platforms have been aids

Discord is where the real discussions happen

[harsh egret]

But i def agree, he should start talking with us here, man would be nice to give some thoughts on stuff

And suggestions

[frail bloom]

It's much faster to get ideas across

[harsh egret]

Yep

[frail bloom]

And we have genuine criticisms

Or "ideas"

[solar cairn]

Is he here?

[harsh egret]

Yes but don't even think about it lol

[grim cloud]

Mods will be upset but Hugo will be fine with I’m sure

[harsh egret]

Yeah its kinda funny when the director of the game doesnt mind but the mods of the discord mind

[grim cloud]

Mods just don’t want to deal with the potential spam and trolls that come with it.

[frail bloom]

Just tell hugo if he can hop on here every once and a while if you can

Tell him he has a passionate and patient community here

[grim cloud]

Well I’m sure he reads everything here. That is certain

[frail bloom]

And also tell him that a guy called Samir will constantly ping him with 5 paragraphs each ping

[harsh egret]

Isn't he kinda too busy to be scrolling through here lol

[frail bloom]

Ye I like never see him online

He's missing out on the real discussion all I'm gonna say

[harsh egret]

He goes on facebook and then on reddit once a month or smth

[frail bloom]

[grim cloud]

He is pretty obsessed about reading every comment he can. This is on record

[frail bloom]

Well there are a ton here

And 95% of them are genuine

[harsh egret]

Yeah mainly on youtube and stuff

[grim cloud]

I would t say he is deep into every sentences. We skim through the cliff notes

I’m kinda drunk right now, ngl

[spark elm]

How tall is the Cyberdemon in this one?

[grim cloud]

21 feet

[green estuary]

about 3 doomguys tall

[frail bloom]

Can someone make a size comparison but it's just dark ages

[green estuary]

at least according to the ripatorium diagram

[frail bloom]

And compare it to eternal and 2016

[solar cairn]

When you play, it seems like a maximum of 2

[harsh egret]

Idk, but having a proper conversation with people who out of genuine love for the game want to help, it would mean alot and i think it would benefit him also

[grim cloud]

Baalgar about 30+. Someone should compare

[spark elm]

Like in demon spawner it compares doom slayer to CD I’m like dang slayer is up to the CD’s knee

[green estuary]

it's cuz of fov
same in eternal and 2016, but when you used photo mode you could really see just how large the demons were

[frail bloom]

Someone make a size comparison chart for my monkey brain

[solar cairn]

The new patch has been confirmed and will be released before the end of the year

[harsh egret]

right

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-stanleyhudson-rollseyes-eyeroll-whatever-gif-15621601883142464530

[green estuary]

we need a trollguy emoji specifically for things like this

[harsh egret]

Oh well guess a convo with the man Hugo ain't happenin

Rip bozo

[frail bloom]

Shame

I got a lot to ask abt

[green estuary]

don't we all

it's kind of a luxury being nu doom fans
because we have a game studio that actually listens to criticism and communicates with us

[frail bloom]

Many take that for granted

Or spout nonsense like the game was unfinished

[solar cairn]

Tell Hugo that we need a mechanism for random generation of master levels

[green estuary]

bruh how tf do you want me to tell him

[solar cairn]

[frail bloom]

Why?

Why not just a randomizer in the ripatorium

[green estuary]

[frail bloom]

Swapping master levels make no sense

[solar cairn]

Random filling with demons?

[frail bloom]

Then balance gets thrown out the window

[harsh egret]

Bruh this guy

[frail bloom]

Keep that for the ripatorium

[solar cairn]

YEAH I NEED IT

[frail bloom]

Face of rage right here

[obsidian shard]

Why Reddit and Facebook, all they do is bitch and complain there (Ive seen, its BAD)

[harsh egret]

Yeah thats what im thinking lol

[obsidian shard]

yes there is some good, but there is WAYYYY more bad

[harsh egret]

Like imagine he sets an hr or two to talk with ppl here

[green estuary]

my favorite part about reddit is how 95% of the people on it are unable to comprehend that the opinions on reddit don't translate to actual life

[obsidian shard]

ong

FM hate is becoming less each day there

[harsh egret]

Have mods moderate the chat a lil extra during that period, but man it could be so nice

[obsidian shard]

I Just realized Skai is in here

[green estuary]

yeah an AMA with hugo on discord would be sick

[harsh egret]

Yup

[obsidian shard]

it would be so awesome

[grim cloud]

If I see him tonight I’ll mention it ok?

[harsh egret]

Petition for an AMA with hugo pls

[obsidian shard]

Thanks

[harsh egret]

Unironically

[obsidian shard]

what can we do to repay our gratitude

[harsh egret]

If this somehow ends up happening, we're forever in ur debt

[obsidian shard]

i love helping artists find stuff for their art

[harsh egret]

I had a stroke tryina read that ngl

[obsidian shard]

my bad, I was typing to fast

[harsh egret]

Lmao

[obsidian shard]

i Usually Proof read, but i dont for messages

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182151938314358856/1399628765826519092/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

Ripatorium has been so fun

[harsh egret]

Yep i have to get into making my own stuff for it tmr

[obsidian shard]

City of Ry'uul is like the Best map, maybe Harbor of Souls, cant decide

[sleek hawk]

I'd say Ry'uul

shits pretty calm tbh, don't fw khalim tho

[simple mist]

what do yall think about the combat changes?

does the game feel better to play post update?

[solar cairn]

I play at 150 speeds and without slow, the game now looks like a continuous hurricane and I like it

[sleek hawk]

I turned down the slow mo to 0, and while I prefer it more, there's moments where it seems as if the game slows down somewhat again (during any moments slow mo would occur) which kinda messes me up. On top of that my shields block timing seems to be diff after using the SSG, not sure if it's a feature or bug tho.

tbh even with that I'm kinda nit picking, so I think its good overall tbh

[sleek verge]

Just beat dark ages

[sleek hawk]

me?

[sleek verge]

No i just did?

[sleek hawk]

oh sorry, read it wrong

[sleek hawk]

good shi though, how was it?

[sleek verge]

Good

[sleek hawk]

Sick shi

nightmare?

[sleek verge]

Ultra Violence

[sleek hawk]

forgot how diff that is from nightmare, but dope shi man

[obsidian shard]

Yes thats a SSG bug

[sleek hawk]

thank god it aint intentional

lowkey be fuckin me up tho, can't do shi rn lol

[obsidian shard]

Ya id Knows almost Every Bug rn

[wintry nexus]

I agree

[wintry nexus]

I hate it sm

[sleek hawk]

that's good

[obsidian shard]

Quakecon, People are speaking directly to devs

[wintry nexus]

They said they’d fix it on Monday right?

[obsidian shard]

Start fixing on Monday

[wintry nexus]

Idk i heard it here

[sleek hawk]

Yeah, I been a completionist in TDA too, so I kinda need to perform good lol

[obsidian shard]

Doesn't mean a Patch will 100% be out

But possibly

[sleek hawk]

Kinda wish there was more achievments

[solar cairn]

+++

[sleek hawk]

most of them dont give anything, and almost just as many can be gained by casually completing the game on any difficulty

would make it more interesting, or even rewarding if they added more rewards to pre-existing achievements or new ones

[obsidian shard]

DLC

[sleek hawk]

Yeah thats what I'm just expecting atp, would be nice for more besides the dlc

Lowkey wish I could have a preset on the Ripatorium tho, would go hard

[green estuary]

I lowk wish they'd stop making goofy balance changes

[sleek hawk]

which dontchu fw?

[green estuary]

well the ssg nerfs aren't really warranted
if you wanted to nerf the ssg, just lower its damage or something, why give some enemies comically large resistances to it for no reason (hell knights/pinkies now take less than half damage from ssg shots)
also the impaler "nerf" was barely a nerf at all, because while dreadmace drops aren't as OP, headshot damage is even higher than before which just re-establishes itself as the clear best weapon in the game

and the ssg armor nerfs just make it nearly useless against armored heavies
just an indirect buff to the chainshot tbh

[frail bloom]

See theze are good discussions

Instead of "mUh GtX cArD can't RuN the Game"

[wintry nexus]

Is there something wrong with playing doom and being a girl?? 😭

Some guy said “you’re a girl and you play doom?!?!?”

[sleek hawk]

The damage is definitely noticeable, though tbh (besides the shield/SSG bug) I'm able to perform the same roughly with the SSG against armored enemies, including the pinky and hell knight. For either of those 2, it takes just 1 ssg shot to get their armor bright red, and a shield throw/bash will break it

[frail bloom]

Average reddit questions

[wintry nexus]

Ikr lol 😭

[sleek hawk]

the difference is there, but not crazy noticeable rn for me, even playing regular levels. you got a good take tho, not shamin or anythin

[wintry nexus]

They’re so surprised for some reason

[green estuary]

idk man
point blank ssg shots barely do any damage to pinky armor

[sleek hawk]

Nah isn't wierd at all, just a bit uncommon

[green estuary]

battle knights still take decent damage but even that is a 30% reduction

[sleek hawk]

I tried against both them armored in the ripatorium at Nightmare, took 1 shot to get them bright red, them bam shield throw breaks it. after that it's just a throw/bash/ssg combo

[wintry nexus]

I know it is, the problem is that he thinks that just because I’m a girl he’s treating me like some princess child or smth 😭

[sleek hawk]

I get the idea ig from him, but you're already in the server lol, not like you don't know anything about the server or game

dudes just buggin, no big deal

[wintry nexus]

I see

Atleast I know it isn’t weird now In this community

[sleek hawk]

yeah you're good, just a bit uncommon to find women who play doom instead of dudes, but tons of them do anyways tbh

[grim cloud]

Ssg def weaker.

[wintry nexus]

You could increase the damage to demons slider or wtv it’s called

[sleek hawk]

I agree def, but I ain't performing significantly worse as a result of said change, the shield bug is messing me up worse tho tbh

[wintry nexus]

Personally don’t see anything significantly different

[grim cloud]

Slider would ruin all the other demons dmg though

[sleek hawk]

There's more ways around killing them with the ssg tbh than using the slider

[wintry nexus]

Eh, fair

[sleek hawk]

was abt to bring that up lol

[grim cloud]

Charge chainshot does bring a hk to falter

[wintry nexus]

Usually my combo of shield bash, impaler, ssg and rocket launcher destroys half the health of most enemies

Ssg is still op, no doubt

[sleek hawk]

chainshot is pretty good overall tbh, so fair

[sleek hawk]

Tbh I just run ssg, and MAYBE impaler

[wintry nexus]

lol, I don’t blame you, it’s pretty good

[green estuary]

maybe I'm thinking of pinky leaders
because I remember the ssg being a heck of a lot less effective against one of them in the holy city level

I guess regular pinky armor isn't that tough anyway

[sleek hawk]

I just got comf with ssg, and the game doesn't encourage the use of different weapons as much as eternal did, so I kinda can run the game with 1 gun

[sleek hawk]

I'll check rq

[green estuary]

ok yeah it was leader pinkies

[wintry nexus]

Ye, same reason why I always decrease the damage to demons so I encourage myself to use other weapons

[green estuary]

just did an experiment

[wintry nexus]

And do more damage

[sleek hawk]

bro I still killed bro hella fast 😭

[green estuary]

I honestly never have to remind myself to use other weapons in tda
because all the weapons are just so fun that I find myself switching just because I want to

[green estuary]

bear in mind this is with the pellet upgrade and the armor damage upgrade

when you first get the ssg it honestly feels like a different gun after this patch

[sleek hawk]

My SSG is maxed out

[green estuary]

yeah I know

[sleek hawk]

so yer

yeah it is much different without the upgrades even with the patch, but I mean these demons do get easier to deal with later in the game, so I think it aint horrible

[wintry nexus]

What was the normal shotgun called in tda again?, the first one you get in game

[sleek hawk]

I'd just be running out of ammo more tbh, besides that with how I play I'd be killing them the same roughly

[green estuary]

it's more of a feel thing honestly
it didn't make the game any more difficult because I cycle through weapons pretty consistently anyway
but it doesn't feel particularly good when you shoot an armored manc or something with the ssg and it feels like you're just doing absolutely nothing

[sleek hawk]

combat shotgun

[wintry nexus]

Wasn’t that eternal or

[green estuary]

nah it's the same name here

[sleek hawk]

nope reading it rn

[sleek hawk]

I getchu, but def is more an early game issue than anything, which especially since enemies like the mancubus become kinda normal later on, I think its somewhat fitting

maybe we just aint used to it as muck idk, I haven't tried it myself as much tbh, just upgraded

[wintry nexus]

do you guys use the combat shotgun when you upgrade it with the 3 round burst

[green estuary]

that's probably the only weapon I don't habitually use lmao

[sleek hawk]

I only use SSG like 95% of the time

just works for me

[wintry nexus]

lol, you really like it huh

[green estuary]

the armor gain is pretty negligible on lower resources, and the dps is much worse than the ssg even after the nerfs

so I'm just like "why use it"

[sleek hawk]

Tbh just was useful when 100% the game. Crazy damage, crazy combo potential, deals with armor easily, and things it doesn't have like range can be fixed with the charge/throw feature on the shield

[wintry nexus]

I’m starting to use it a lot more for some reason

[sleek hawk]

yeah, just good for fodder on maybe ultra nightmare and for armor grabs

besides that its debatable, even with those circumstances

[sleek hawk]

it ain't bad, just isn't as viable as other guns

[frail bloom]

Oh ye I forgot to mention I've done two levels of 2016 today

[green estuary]

the combat shotty and the pulverizer are both in kinda weird places

[frail bloom]

I got 46 min and 25 seconds

[green estuary]

which levels

[frail bloom]

First 2

Intro level and rez ops I think

[wintry nexus]

The combat shotgun is a starting weapon so it makes sense, but yea, the pulverizer is pretty weird because it basically does the same job as the shield throw

[green estuary]

res ops and foundry are frickin nasty difficult

[wintry nexus]

Just less efficient, and requires ammo

[green estuary]

yeah exactly

[frail bloom]

Foundry is up next

[sleek hawk]

My issue with the gun's in the game aren't because their shit or something. The guns and their variety is dope asf, but the issue is that they are mostly universally effective. It's a good thing, but it also allows you or anyone to complete the game with just 1 gun mostly. I feel like the game should have more weapon dependencies if they wanted to encorperate varying gunplay more often. Like I could use other guns, but do I need to? thats what it is for me at least personally

[frail bloom]

That was kinda the point

[sleek hawk]

calm, lowkey fw 2016 hella

[frail bloom]

They kinda want you to stick with one gun

Switch on your volition

[wintry nexus]

I never understood what fw meant 😭

[green estuary]

well maybe that's why they nerfed the ssg lmao
because if you're gonna complete the game with one gun, that's gonna be the one

[wintry nexus]

So many terms holy

[frail bloom]

F with

[sleek hawk]

fuck with = It's sick

[wintry nexus]

OHHHH

I see 😭

[sleek hawk]

It applies to most things tho tbh, SSG happens to just be at the top of the list, or near the top at least

[green estuary]

yeah I'm kinda ignoring the impaler because it's a bit of a joke

[sleek hawk]

did they mention that? if so then thats just a personal take/want then

[sleek hawk]

Tbh it's good, but just isn't as useful overall to me

the SSG just caters toward hella stuff, and if it doesn't, the shield just fills in the gaps tbh

[frail bloom]

But obviously you don't want a one size fits all gun

[green estuary]

if you can get headshots, it just turns it into a point click adventure game

[sleek hawk]

Yeah, I don't need/want doom eternal kind of weapon swapping or something, but maybe some more variation?? idk lol

[sleek hawk]

Def, but lotta easier alternatives

also brb, feedin pets

[wintry nexus]

I love fighting the battle knight so much

[green estuary]

I really don't have a problem with a game that gives you wiggle room with your guns
like eternal leans into quick swapping so hard that I kinda just got sick of it eventually
it's nice to just switch weapons because another weapon is the best for a given situation instead of just having piss poor sustainable dps unless you mash weapon hotkeys

[sleek hawk]

back

[gleaming vortex]

it definitely is like doom 2 in that regard. like you could just ssg everything that breathes but occasionally you wanna bring out the rocket launcher and blow a hell knight to gibs

though I think that mainly comes from ammo rationing rather than pure choice

[sleek hawk]

Def, even my friend who played said that he never really switched guns unless he HAD to, like if something was just better for a small moment or if his gun ran out of ammo without him noticing

[gleaming vortex]

I really do wish dark ages had a slider for ammo specifically, even on the lowest settings for resources I still have plenty

[sleek hawk]

tbh I found myself switching cause ran out of ammo usually

[sleek hawk]

would be nice to have tbh

[sleek hawk]

They are fun asf to fight

[feral vault]

Same

i dont like health and armor on the lowest

make some of the pickups useless

and also essentially nerfs the flail

[gleaming vortex]

My personal soft spot for resources is second lowest, though if you could control each pickup I'd have armor at like highest

[green estuary]

yeah nightmare default resources is fine

it's funny because armor recovery in eternal was insanely busted but armor recovery in tda is the exact opposite

[gleaming vortex]

I miss how armor worked in the older games, felt more important to survival rather than a second health bar. Felt like it would've fit much better in Dark Ages

[green estuary]

that would have been cool
make armor negate 50% of damage instead of just being a health buffer

[sleek hawk]

yeah I'd fw that, plus would just make sense for armor

[gleaming vortex]

lowkey i thought defense scaled with the amount of armor, not just a flat 50%

the more you know

[warm ibex]

I'd say ten minutes with two waves, but I've been playing with endless mode

[wintry nexus]

Hi horde

[gleaming vortex]

hi horde!!

[warm ibex]

hey man, what's up

[sleek hawk]

wish they had a preset/community preset

[warm ibex]

hi!!!

[sleek hawk]

idk who u are, but wsg

[wintry nexus]

Community preset is such a good idea

[gleaming vortex]

whomegalul

[warm ibex]

It's a pretty highly requested feature, so I'm sure they'll add it soon enough

[sleek hawk]

Would just be an overall good addition

[wintry nexus]

Ytber who tells news and upcoming stuff on doom

He’s pretty cool

[sleek hawk]

Wait

[wintry nexus]

?

Did dude disappear

[solid nacelle]

Bro said to wait!

[gleaming vortex]

off the face of the earth

[sleek hawk]

srry had to do sum

but lowkey just remembered who bro was, had to look him up

[wintry nexus]

I thought you were teleported to the cosmic realm

I’m, I’m so funny

[sleek hawk]

He's one of my sources for shi on doom atp

[gleaming vortex]

hitched a ride on an unspeakable horror

[sleek hawk]

would be heat

[mental grotto]

For the classic games, green armor gives you 35% damage negation and blue armor gives you 50%. The % of armor you had doesn’t affect defense, just how long it lasts

[gleaming vortex]

ahhhh ok

dude i just booted up ripatorium and i swear the music actually knocked my nuts off

[sleek hawk]

It's pretty calm

[gleaming vortex]

it fucking rips idk how i slept on what lies below for so long

[sleek hawk]

thats def a good one

[mental grotto]

Idk if this is a hot take or not, but I don’t think increasing weapon swap speed was a necessary change

[sleek hawk]

tbh I don't see the diff that much

[gleaming vortex]

honestly I just wish you could parry and then initiate a swap, would be nice to have notable switch moments in combat for the high skill folks (not me)

swap speed is just not that much of a game changer atm

[mental grotto]

Yeah it’s not a massive game changer, just feels like a weird change

Also they definitely overdid it with the ssg nerfs, noticeably against mancubi

A point-blank ssg shot to an armless mancubus should 100% be enough to kill it

[sleek hawk]

yeah

agreed, but at least it's playable

just waiting on the bug fixes mainly now

[gleaming vortex]

I think the shotguns should heat armor more, slightly less than the ball. right now I feel like the shotguns are in this weird limbo where neither is super good at anything

[wintry nexus]

I can see why they removed the glory kills In tda now 😭

[fallow arch]

I feel like glory kills in tda ruin the flow of the game
There are much more projectiles in this game and getting out of a long glory kill animation would either destroy your shield with the amount of projectiles coming at you (if you hold your shield during the animation) or kill you

I've died twice cause of that

[frail bloom]

Try not jumping

When meleeing

[sleek hawk]

yeah def, but I do wish the kills felt a bit more satisfying, especially when killing the bigger dudes

[frail bloom]

Plus they're 3 sec at most and are optional

[sleek hawk]

they could've made unique animations and make them still fit the flow of the game

[wintry nexus]

Doom slayer, why are you complaining your doing it yourself

[frail bloom]

Just try not jumping when meleeing and avoid front and back above melees's

[frail bloom]

Hello Horde did you see the preset I sent you

I thought you might like it

[sleek hawk]

slide it, i need one rn

[wintry nexus]

I can’t believe the doom slayer himself is complaining about rip and tearing Demons 😪

[frail bloom]

Here's the champions loadout

30 zombies, 5 energy soldiers, 3 stalkers, 3 pinky riders, 3 hell knights, 10 shield soldiers, 1 aggadon champion, 1 komodo champion, 1 vagary champion.

[sleek hawk]

bet I'll put in on rn

how many minutes u want

[frail bloom]

Like 10 min

Doesn't matter really

Same with the arena

[fallow arch]

I think they should have a settings to either turn the glory kill animations on or off

[frail bloom]

For now just avoid meleeing above front and back

[fallow arch]

I guess doomslayer is younger in tda so he doesn't know how to kill the demons in style

[frail bloom]

And try to angle yourself when shieldbashing a dazed demon

[sleek hawk]

would be nice, but they'd have to make both perform the same essentially so that way one side isn't inherently better

[sleek hawk]

bet

[frail bloom]

The falters in dark ages are crazy

Did you know you could cause a wide falter by throwing your shield at a dazed enemy?

I didn't

Learned it from Mayo

[fallow arch]

Also did they nerfed the ground fissue rune yet

[frail bloom]

Why would they

It's one of your few sources of armor

Whyyyy would you nerf that

[fallow arch]

I'm talking about the melee drops

[gleaming vortex]

wait is ground fissure good

[frail bloom]

Ohhh ye I think so

[fallow arch]

One projectile parry and you refill all your dreadmace ammo

[frail bloom]

Ye the dreadmace thing right

Ye prob fixed now

[fallow arch]

I feel like all the shield runes except auto turret is good now

[frail bloom]

What is your pfp

[gleaming vortex]

fishe

[frail bloom]

But where fishe

[gleaming vortex]

water

[frail bloom]

How fishe

[gleaming vortex]

yes

[frail bloom]

Why fishe

[uneven mortar]

Ground fissure is the most satisfying shield rune. There, I said it

[frail bloom]

I agree

Holy swarm is second

[gleaming vortex]

I will always love my beautiful daggers

[delicate grotto]

Meh I like the nerfs. They don’t feel that overdone to me.

[uneven mortar]

Daggers don't fit the slayers vibe imo, wish they were a different color

Lightning is second most fun

[frail bloom]

The electric one actually probably has really good usage in faltering

Buuuut not my style

[warm ibex]

I'll check it out one sec

[gleaming vortex]

I wonder if theyll ever bring the phantom wolf rune back, wouldve loved that one I bet

[frail bloom]

I mean when they figure out how to differentiate it sure

They need time to cook

[fallow arch]

Impaler is even better now cause of the higher headshot damage

[frail bloom]

If you know how to aim, the impaler is a better choice now?

[fallow arch]

Aiming the impaler is easy

[frail bloom]

Hugo c'mon now

[uneven mortar]

Is anyone making a list of ripatorium presets?

[fallow arch]

It's like pb but better

[frail bloom]

So far we got Horde's and mine

[gleaming vortex]

yeah just look at head and click

[uneven mortar]

I hope they add official presets

[frail bloom]

Most likely

[warm ibex]

I'll have to give that a try next time I mess around with the ripatorium! thanks for sending that over

[gleaming vortex]

I know Hugo offhandedly mentioned it on stream sooooo

[fallow arch]

The only thing you need to account for is that if you're hugging something like a mancubus and aim at the head,it doesn't necessarily attack the head

[uneven mortar]

Official presets???

[frail bloom]

Very likely

When he mentions something like that it means he's adding it

[gleaming vortex]

thursday stream he was dickin around with ripatorium and someone asked about it

[frail bloom]

Never would I have expected a customizable horde mode

[gleaming vortex]

forgot what he said

[uneven mortar]

Peak incoming, put the most perverted arena designer on that and take my money

[frail bloom]

Josh also thought community sharing presets would be cool right?

[fallow arch]

I'm pretty sure you can fight the old one as the doomslayer on land now (I'm not sure i saw it in a video)

[frail bloom]

Like a community tab

[gleaming vortex]

I think soooooo, ill have to rewatch

im like 14 streams behind rn

[uneven mortar]

bRO THAT WOULD RULE

[frail bloom]

For now we have to tell eachother the configurations

[fallow arch]

When's the BFC nerf coming i think it should do less damage to leaders

[frail bloom]

But in the future we may have some nice qol changes

[gleaming vortex]

60 komodo banquet (you are the meal)

[frail bloom]

Bfg has always been a broken option

In every doom game ever

[gleaming vortex]

yo i just realized we can make nuts.wad

[frail bloom]

Let's just leave it be

[fallow arch]

I didn't necessarily prefered it in tag 1.I think unmakyr there was better

[uneven mortar]

The bfc does NOT need a nerf, it is already way weaker than prev games. A one-demon killswitch is fair

[fallow arch]

in tag 1 only

[frail bloom]

Ye I get exactly where too

[gleaming vortex]

it dont need it ngl

[frail bloom]

Frickin Samur

And his frickin possessed duo's

Frickin frick

[uneven mortar]

BFC should work better against story bosses, feels lousy to save ammo and then have it be useless

[fallow arch]

Nah I feel like it should be like eternal where it should destroy a larger area in return for reduced damage to champions and leaders

[frail bloom]

Ye and you have to aim it this time lmao

Oooor just have more waves

[green estuary]

yeah and it can whiff
it doesn't activate unless it hits a solid target

[frail bloom]

Simple

[gleaming vortex]

i kind of wish they brought back the Calamity Blade instead of the BFC

[green estuary]

so if you shoot it in between two enemies it does zero damage to both enemies unless it hits a wall behind them

[uneven mortar]

I originally thought that, but the way it works makes more sense with this game's mechanics, needing to choose which piece to take off the board

[frail bloom]

Tbf dark ages was in development way before lor

[gleaming vortex]

ik but likeeeeeeeee

[frail bloom]

I getchu but it wasn't gonna happen

I wanted a vassago

[gleaming vortex]

that cosmic BFG ripped weiner too idk why they scrapped it

[frail bloom]

But too late by the time of release

[uneven mortar]

I don't like that you need to aim at the ground tbh

[frail bloom]

I don't mind I find it really strong

[green estuary]

yeah the activation on solid targets is annoying

[frail bloom]

Shoots really fast

[uneven mortar]

Vassago in DLC hugo pleeeeaase

[gleaming vortex]

yeah banshees too

[frail bloom]

Now we're talking

[fallow arch]

I bet in the dlc the average room is gonna have 17 komodo champions in a room

[green estuary]

idc about vassagos, give us archviles back

[frail bloom]

Tbh I'd rather have an archie

[uneven mortar]

Archviles are functionally a bit useless unless they rework what it does

[green estuary]

vassagos were just reskinned barons with a floor DOT to begin with anyway

[gleaming vortex]

imagine they introduce the archvile on a mound of dead acolytes i will bust

[green estuary]

how so

[fallow arch]

They mainly feel dangerous because they are a high priority target and have low hp

useless*

[uneven mortar]

We have spawner enemies all over the game bc of enforcers

Archviles need a new gimmick if they want to stand out here

[green estuary]

yeah well those are barely spawner enemies
they really just buff stuff
and that buff isn't even a real buff--it just makes enemies tankier

[delicate grotto]

Cybernetically enhanced Vassagos brought back to life from extinction? Please. Please id 🙏

[frail bloom]

Well off the top of my head
•yellow unparriable hitscan
•battlemode type projectiles and pressure
•resurrecting dead demon pieces into ghost demons( akin to davoth demon spawns)
•cannot be shield bashed
•cannot be shield locked

[gleaming vortex]

you forget the archvile fire beam of doom

[green estuary]

god the fire lake is so bullshit in eternal

[fallow arch]

I think they should resurrect dead demons and make it stronger

[gleaming vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-book-fire-fire-book-his-writing-is-fire-as-a-child-i-yearned-for-the-mines-gif-7492916682126134420

[uneven mortar]

I want helltime hunters from doom 3 back the most

[fallow arch]

Works only on heavies above imp stalker

[green estuary]

but a teleporting archvile in TDA would be insanely tough to deal with (in a good way)

[frail bloom]

No teleporting

Make it classic

[green estuary]

nah give us teleportation idc

[frail bloom]

Acolyte does that

[green estuary]

acolytes are a joke

[frail bloom]

I know

[gleaming vortex]

yeah just have him run at mach 4 instead like the classic

[frail bloom]

Exactly

Let him speed walk so I can laugh

[green estuary]

well technically he just moves really fast in eternal also

[uneven mortar]

If they bring in Archviles, they should simply make it so they make surrounding enemies unkillable

[frail bloom]

He literally doesn't move his ass one bit

[fallow arch]

BFC

[frail bloom]

He stays still

[gleaming vortex]

oh HELL no that sounds awful

[green estuary]

bruh
so how would you propose we kill the archvile without the bfc

[frail bloom]

I think my idea was cool

[green estuary]

no he moves/

[frail bloom]

Or the foundation

[uneven mortar]

Shoot it until it dies

[frail bloom]

Veeery slowly

He should speedwalk this time around

[delicate grotto]

Wasn’t there a walk animation for the Archvile found in Eternal’s files? I remember it being cursed af (and no it wasn’t the Battlemode one)

[frail bloom]

And slap you

[green estuary]

he stands there staring at you
until he decides he wants to move and jets off to a random location

[frail bloom]

Cuz why not

[frail bloom]

No no he should be moving constantly

[uneven mortar]

Make archviles cosmic

[frail bloom]

NOOOOOO

[delicate grotto]

Cosmic Archvile would be sick

[green estuary]

nah give us a basic archie first

[frail bloom]

I want muh classic boi

[uneven mortar]

Cosmic archvile with a big horrible pulsing brain

[gleaming vortex]

youre never gonna guess who shows up in chapter 15

[frail bloom]

But the acolyte is the cosmic version

[delicate grotto]

There were so many cool character concepts axed in TDA. I really hope we see a couple brought back in future content.

[frail bloom]

And his green colors are ugh

I want the tan one with the big grin and tubes

[green estuary]

acolytes are like cosmic archviles with zero health and the ability to only summon one demon lmao

[frail bloom]

I want the real deal

We only have 2 classic enemies in dark ages

[gleaming vortex]

imagine supporter cacos with the basket of demons beneath like a hot air demon

[frail bloom]

Like carried over

[uneven mortar]

Classic archviles would be mechanically indistinct from spawner enemies

[delicate grotto]

Acolytes summon demons…?

[frail bloom]

Did y'all miss my idea

[uneven mortar]

Bring back helltime hunter!!!

[frail bloom]

Lemme post it one more time

[green estuary]

well spawner enemies don't spawn in anything dangerous, nor do they make enemies faster or hit harder
archviles could do all of the above (while being unable to be locked down with the shield saw)

[frail bloom]

Well off the top of my head
•yellow unparriable hitscan
•battlemode type projectiles and pressure
•resurrecting dead demon pieces into ghost demons( akin to davoth demon spawns)
•cannot be shield bashed
•cannot be shield locked

[green estuary]

doom the hitscan ages

although yeah I think resurrection might work better here instead of summoning

[fallow arch]

I feel like they can make archvile immortal and people would find a way to defeat him

[gleaming vortex]

archies should protect enemies from death like in doom ii (they ressurected enemies but whatever)

[green estuary]

resurrecting a komodo

[fallow arch]

What's this autocorrect

[frail bloom]

Archival🥀

[delicate grotto]

I like the reintroduction of hitscan. Just as annoying as the classics
Though at least TDA doesn’t let Chaingunners have LOS for miles

[gleaming vortex]

ok hugo new patch idea

[green estuary]

chaingunners in TDA are such bs lmao

[fallow arch]

Vagaries are more annoying than komodo ong

[frail bloom]

Anyways my idea is cool and I'm cool

[green estuary]

annoying yeah
threatening nah

[delicate grotto]

Nooo

[frail bloom]

Ton ton W yet again

[green estuary]

you literally just lob grenades at the vagary and it cannot do anything

because the splash damages all parts of its body'

and their hitboxes are so large you just get free cluster bombs

[gleaming vortex]

idk i don't really know how to feel about an archie return, especially since they made the cyberdemon fill the "heavy ranged military shooter" role

[frail bloom]

Bruh I just shared my idea

[gleaming vortex]

I am glad the verygay made a return tho

[frail bloom]

All enemies share certian aspects with eachother

[fallow arch]

Vagaries are like support units tbh

[frail bloom]

It is how they're used with other enemies

Imagine an archie with 2 chaingunners and a rev

[delicate grotto]

I like “puzzle” enemies that change it up a bit by requiring the player to approach them differently. It’s a neat concept though you’d have to be careful with hitscan and arena layout

[frail bloom]

Now you got a problem

[uneven mortar]

Ooh ooh you know what would be fun

Fodder sized mindweavers

[green estuary]

they just zone tf out of you with their acid and that's literally the only thing they have against you

[uneven mortar]

How cute

[gleaming vortex]

we have those theyre called arachnotrons

[frail bloom]

BUT THOSE ARE JUST CHAINGUNNERS BUT WEAK

[green estuary]

fodder sized

[uneven dragon]

What’s the problem

[frail bloom]

And they say the archie can't fit

Fit in this

[gleaming vortex]

are you telling me the arachnotrons in this game arent just mindweavers

[uneven mortar]

Little creepy crawly mindweavers with armor to protect them from shield throw AND a gun. Like stone imps with guns

[delicate grotto]

The only enemy I don’t really like in TDA are Caco Hybrids. Their purple nets just don’t fit that well with the rest of the demon attacks imo. They’re very annoying, and not in a cheeky fun way like the Carcass from Eternal.

[green estuary]

well I mean it in kinda a fun way
because they have kinda insane range/accuracy now
and their shield basically forces you to take damage from them

[uneven dragon]

Yeah they are lol

[frail bloom]

Ok better.

[uneven mortar]

I agree though i like their design

[uneven dragon]

Ohh yea I get you

[fallow arch]

Cooked perk absolutely melts them

[delicate grotto]

Yeah their design is sick

[gleaming vortex]

imagine you kill a verygay and a bunch of shitters come out eughhhhh

[frail bloom]

I think their design is lazy

[green estuary]

so many things melt vagaries
like I said, only their acid is threatening

[uneven dragon]

I really really love the Chaingunners/“Mindweavers” in TDA

[frail bloom]

Should've been a big bald black dude

[green estuary]

[frail bloom]

Gimme shaq

[uneven dragon]

made them more threatening like they are in Classic by giving them proper hitscan rather than TAG’s, uh… slightly faster guns…

[frail bloom]

But gameplay wise they're awesome

[green estuary]

chaingunners in tag2 couldn't hit the broad side of a barn if they wanted to

[gleaming vortex]

ok don't pretend the old chaingunners didn't also shoot at mach fuck million

[uneven mortar]

Also bring back tyrants!!! Like the hornless ones, do smth cool with them

[delicate grotto]

Caco hybrids? Really? Why do you think so?

[frail bloom]

No chaingunners

[delicate grotto]

Ah gotcha

[frail bloom]

They're just soldier reskins

[green estuary]

I mean it's a classic

[frail bloom]

Gimme a buff dark chocolate man

[green estuary]

and it's not like you ever see them tbf

[fallow arch]

They removed the cuteness of cacodemons

[frail bloom]

Emphasis on the choc

[gleaming vortex]

they uncooked my meatball

[frail bloom]

Spaghetti

[gleaming vortex]

and added squid ig????

[green estuary]

at least their chomp doesn't deal like 150 damage on nightmare anymore

[uneven dragon]

No they did my problem was that Eternal’s just kind of shot sort of fast but easily dodgablw

[delicate grotto]

Chaingunners, Lost Souls and Revenants were done properly in TDA at the expense of the poor Cacodemon

[gleaming vortex]

tbf tag 2 isn't known for introducing good enemies

[uneven mortar]

OMG what if they brought back the Trite from doom 3 and had it split in half on shield throw

[uneven dragon]

I like TDA Cacodemons tbhh

[frail bloom]

All fodder split in half

[uneven mortar]

But it would survive

[frail bloom]

Ohhhhh

THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA

[uneven dragon]

I’m all for more Doom 3 enemies returning

[delicate grotto]

TAG2 had some interesting enemy variants to say the least.

[frail bloom]

NOW YOU CAN'T JUST MINDESSPY SHIELD THROW

WRITE IT DOWN WRITE IT DOWN

[fallow arch]

Caco went from a silly goober to an eldtrich horror being

[uneven mortar]

It would spill acid blood on the ground too

[frail bloom]

DOES ANY ONE SEE THE GENIUS

IN THIS PROPOSAL

Why am I yelling

[delicate grotto]

Which is cool! Love its design. Just sad about its gameplay. I can’t shoot the thing 90% of the time

[uneven dragon]

Right now out of Doom 3’s unique roster only the Unarmed Zombie and Vagary have returned lol

[uneven mortar]

I loved the armoured baron

[delicate grotto]

Armored Baron was one of the few good additions imo

[frail bloom]

Trites that are placed in fodder groups that split in two effectively causing more trites to spawn while leaving acid puddles

[fallow arch]

He also doesn't do the silly animations for engulfing a sticky bomb or a frag

[gleaming vortex]

the good addition

[uneven dragon]

No Chaingunner is as scary as Doom 3’s though

[fallow arch]

Ts pmo

[gleaming vortex]

pain elementals should come back though, first time lost souls were done well in a modern doom game. its time for the pain elemental generational trauma

[frail bloom]

Alr I copied it

[fallow arch]

Cacodemons annoying cousin

[uneven dragon]

Well?

[delicate grotto]

Absolutely agree. It’s my favorite demon

[verbal void]

“First time” wdym? The 2016 versions were awesome

[frail bloom]

Ye 2016 was pretty neat

[gleaming vortex]

oh yeah i forgot they were in 2016 too

[frail bloom]

Dark agss fully realized it

[verbal void]

2016 has the best designs. Change my mind

[frail bloom]

And Eternal...

Oh boi

[delicate grotto]

I guess Eternal did them so dirty we forgot about their addition in 2016.

[gleaming vortex]

they got shafted hard though

[frail bloom]

I can't. It's subjective

[fallow arch]

I feel like they look weird in-game tbh although still better than eternal

[frail bloom]

I like dark ages the most, but good day to you sir

[uneven mortar]

Dark Ages art direction blows 2016 out of water, respectfully

[fallow arch]

Although idk if it was because of my shitty integrated graphics in 2016

[uneven mortar]

I would like to see the 2016 cyberdemon return

[frail bloom]

Hey I want a fire emoji

[delicate grotto]

I’m just happy the Revenant has a comparable presence to its classic counterpart in TDA

[fallow arch]

I'm pretty sure they can't

[frail bloom]

Alr what does the preg thing mean

[delicate grotto]

2016 and Eternal revs were a joke tbh. Great design, just not threatening at all.

[frail bloom]

I'm lost on what it means

[verbal void]

The only thing that passes the 2016 design is the slayer design. TDA design was awesome

[fallow arch]

Cacodemons aswell

[delicate grotto]

That’s true

[gleaming vortex]

i like the weakpoints in eternal but the revvies were actually nonexistent otherwise

[fallow arch]

Cacodemons were free blood punch refills

[delicate grotto]

Well, 2016 cacos were decently threatening.

[uneven dragon]

I think 2016 still has the most Doom-y vibe to it tho tbh

[uneven mortar]

2016 revs were kind of scary, eternal revs were just sooo brittle

[verbal void]

Honestly 2016 enemies were actually terrifying. Eternal just gave ez weakpoints

[frail bloom]

In vibes? Ye

[uneven dragon]

I really hope that Bethesda don’t listen to YouTube critics too much because like wow do a lot of people have bad ideas

[gleaming vortex]

thats definitely fair, though that certainly comes with its own pros and cons

[frail bloom]

But imp stalkers, vagaries, lost souls, chaingunners, agaddons

[verbal void]

Wish we got a samuel hayden game

[fallow arch]

Also is it just me or did 2016 had the hardest un,I feel like I died more from random stuff

[uneven mortar]

2016 had nice art direction for sure but just... too much UAC

[frail bloom]

Ye some of them just totally miss the point

[uneven dragon]

Jacksepticeye actually made me thought I was losing my marbles when he started criticising… Doomguy’s humanity being shown…?

[gleaming vortex]

ya tech bases are fun until they all blend together

[frail bloom]

Ye and offered no explanation

[verbal void]

Dude eternal and TDA UN is so easy. 2016…

[frail bloom]

I was so confused

Like ok so Kratos can yap up a storm but doomguy can't nod?

[fallow arch]

Tag 1 was the hardest un
Fuck you samuel

[frail bloom]

It's such a head empty criticism

[uneven mortar]

Doomguy talking in eternal pissed me off, but i liked his writing more in TDA

[uneven dragon]

Doomguy literally breaking out of his mind control because he’s seeing the sentinels get killed was actually incredible it made me like him again

[verbal void]

Does anyone else want a game where you play as someone else like samuel

[uneven mortar]

2016 was peak doomguy characterization

[gleaming vortex]

i hope they give us more of that in the dlc. kill off marok and play the bunny music we'll know the significance

[fallow arch]

A game where you try to wake up doom slayer from his sleep after tag 2 would be cool

[delicate grotto]

Yeah 2016’s demons had another level of presence over Eternal’s.
When I saw a Baron in 2016 I knew shit was getting chaotic. Eternal made it much easier to overcome the horde and get away from danger quickly. Of course, this was its intent. Eternal does a great job at giving the player that power fantasy, but man, I do miss the horror elements 2016 blended in with its demons.

[gleaming vortex]

if they ever wanna try a third doom movie I think it should follow sam hayden

[uneven dragon]

Yea it kind of annoys me seeing Bethesda’s treatment of TDA’s time period

[verbal void]

I want a game accurate doom movie

[uneven mortar]

I'd like them to pull a doom 3 again and have you play as a pretty weak soldier

[frail bloom]

I like what dark ages does more it showed that he used to be more patient before he started just getting to the poinf

[uneven dragon]

Wdym it can’t end with the sarcophagus?? “It’ll shut off more opportunities to make games in that era” just. Make them prequels too??

[fallow arch]

I think tda had a bad launch but it's great now

[frail bloom]

He would kill kreed waaaay quicker in his 2016 arc

[verbal void]

Eh that or samuel hayden game. Samuel has NO FEATS other than the demonic crucible, Able to use VEGA, and samur form

[frail bloom]

I disagree

[uneven dragon]

I love the power trip you kinda get in one of the last levels of Doom 3 tho lowk

[uneven mortar]

Nuh uh i wanna see the civil war

[frail bloom]

That requires billions of years

For the sarcophogus

[uneven dragon]

Yea but like he can do both??😭

[frail bloom]

No??

Why timeskip billions of years

[uneven dragon]

Making one dlc end with the sarcophagus doesn’t like suddenly stop them from being able to visit the medieval period at all??

[frail bloom]

Have it be its own game

[uneven dragon]

Why

[gleaming vortex]

tbh the most game accurate it could get is just lining up with lore. hard to make an fps movie that actually works as a tribute to what came before and a standalone project

[frail bloom]

Because you will have more resources and time to explore it duh

[gleaming vortex]

and apparently universal cant do either

[uneven mortar]

I want a doom the dark ages 2 with more ammo pressure and verticality, like a fusion of TDA and eternal

[frail bloom]

Sounds like a lack of patience

[verbal void]

I want an aftermath of the samur makyr incident(haven’t seen the ending of TAG1 so don’t know if he’s dead)

[frail bloom]

That's what got us tag 2

And its rushed davoth fight

[uneven mortar]

He's fine

[gleaming vortex]

i think they could retcon all of tag and nobody would bat a fucking eye

[frail bloom]

I want them to take their time

So nope, no sarcophogus

[verbal void]

Honestly where do you guys scale samuel hayden to. I say he’s multiversal

[gleaming vortex]

or at least make it its own game to actually flesh out the story

[frail bloom]

HIGH COUNCIL TIME BAAABY

[uneven mortar]

ALSO. I want dark ages 2 to be another "solo doomguy" game where he just cleaves through hell

[uneven dragon]

The problem with that wasn’t “it’s a dlc to eternal” tho

[delicate grotto]

And to think we were so close to getting a Doom and Halo crossover episode with Secret Level, and it got turned down. Could’ve had some genuine cinematic moments with the Slayer

[gleaming vortex]

i think id prefer death to a discussion on powerscaling ngl. if you fw it more power to ya 🙂

[uneven dragon]

The problem with TAG 2 was that they promised it within a specific development timeframe

[gleaming vortex]

the singular problem?

[verbal void]

Samuel hayden in eternal was straight AHH

[frail bloom]

Ye and still, why kill the leader of hell in a dlc

[uneven mortar]

Basically I want them to Super Mario Galaxy 2 this game and give us some fun switchups, and rushing through the story would squander a great opportunity to show us his hellwalker era

[frail bloom]

Plus this is different

[uneven dragon]

That’s the big problem

[frail bloom]

The slayers testaments have a sort of mystique

[uneven dragon]

That led to the other problems

[frail bloom]

That they will have a HARD time replicating

It's gotta feel like Doomguy's last stand

[verbal void]

Im gonna say it for the millionth time. We NEED a samuel hayden game(my opinion)

[frail bloom]

So it needs to have so much resources put in for the spectacle

Like so much

Otherwise it's lackluster

[uneven mortar]

Samuel Hayden game would be lame unless it was like, a titanfall thing

[uneven dragon]

Of course we don’t need a slayers testaments game because we all know that Doom ZERO from the Official Add-ons page of DOOM + DOOM II is our Testaments game

[frail bloom]

I'd rathee they take their time

[uneven dragon]

I wouldn’t mind a small Hayden dlc

[verbal void]

I really want one and see how it goes

[frail bloom]

Oh ye lemme show you somethinf

[uneven dragon]

Demon Witch is a fun boss fight

[frail bloom]

#screenshots message

Champion titan

[verbal void]

How do you think the TDA dlc will end

[uneven mortar]

A Samuel Hayden game would be amazing if it was an immersive sim like Bioshock or Deus Ex

[gleaming vortex]

WAIT DAVOTH PEOPLE LISTEN: i had a dream where they took the corpse of the last wraith (cus the heart is said to have its soul) and tried putting Davoth in it to circumvent the luminarium. he was called The Wraithking or something and doomguy fought him at the end of the dlc

[frail bloom]

Did you see it

[verbal void]

Samuel hayden lacks feats fr. All he has is demonic crucible, VEGA, and samur maykr form

(Im meatriding samuel fr)

[gleaming vortex]

to be fair he stole god from heaven

[uneven dragon]

Ohh shit that’s cool

[frail bloom]

Where hoovy go

There hoovy

[verbal void]

Codex?

[gleaming vortex]

in eternal idk which one

[verbal void]

Samuel in eternals straight AHHHH

[frail bloom]

He's alr I guess

[gleaming vortex]

ok

[frail bloom]

But very uh

[verbal void]

He lit just sits in a ship and says “the longer the icon of sin is on earth the stronger he becomes”

[uneven mortar]

Am I the only one who thinks the crucible looks stupid and doesn't fit doomguys vibe? The mace is infinitely better

[frail bloom]

Expositional

[verbal void]

I mean, one shot on titans is one shot so go with the flow

[gleaming vortex]

It'd probably fit TDA doomguy more but i agree

[uneven mortar]

Crucible looks like a little toy in doomguys hands, he should have had a guts sword

[verbal void]

Maybe a sword made out of demon corpses

[gleaming vortex]

ooooo like the puppet axe from lies of p

[frail bloom]

I gave you a tomato

I did not throw it

For the record.

Aw thanks for the nutrition

🗿