the-dark-ages

[frail bloom]

Alr I'm not knowleadgable why is this not concrete proof

[spare valve]

well it means they are working on it but that dose not mean they will release it

[frail bloom]

...

Riiiiiiight

[green estuary]

well all the console unlocker does is unlock the in-game dev/debug tools that are available to the id guys
so while they might have been testing a single player NG+ campaign, there's no guarantee they'll actually produce it

[rotund rune]

Try to fight a komodo with any other big enemy. It's painful as he'll always throw you to hell

[green estuary]

my first ripatorium experience was a komodo + baron + leader cyberdemon
took me a few tries lol

but the komodo is probably the most "bully-like" of all the heavies
which is odd, because the baron kinda feels like a bully with his attacks but in reality you can stand and bang with him no problem
if you try to stand and bang with the komodo you're just gonna get run over

[frail bloom]

Well Hugo said "something very fun with master levels on the way" and since they haven't released the master levels yet it's obvious that it leads in this direction

[frail bloom]

Bang who?

[spare valve]

Yeah well Im thinking they might make ng+ and that's basically the master levels or it could be both

[frail bloom]

They are basically the same!

[green estuary]

bruh
stand and bang is just another way of saying stand and fight

a slugfest, if you will

[frail bloom]

Katsu getting freaky

Anyways this is huge

[mental grotto]

This would be amazing, but considering how long each eternal master level took to release, and they’ve got double the levels to work with this time around, I wouldn’t get too excited

But if they manage to pull off an actual NG+ mode and turn every single campaign level into a master level, holy shit that’d be something

[stuck geyser]

I can't get to the kreed maykr. There's a blue forcefield in the way now and I'm not sure what to do.

[mental grotto]

Doom the bug ages

[stuck geyser]

Wait a minute do I need to shoot it with plasma weaponry? I'm out of plasma ammo.

[spare valve]

where abouts

[stuck geyser]

At the maykr's ship. I'm trying to go kill him.

Apparently his boss fight was made tougher.

[frail bloom]

They might streamline it and get rid of the mech levels

[stuck geyser]

I hope so.

[frail bloom]

Oops stupid suggestion nvm

Only one full mech level

The rest are intergrated into a level

Idk I am confused

[spare valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288902538036383774/1403582267082670240/DOOM_The_Dark_Ages_Screenshot_2025.08.09_-_04.34.11.87.png?ex=68981359&is=6896c1d9&hm=eb977a96e038ac28325679d1b4b0bc729e9ffd3b41a0baec3312c325ca272e74&

I dont remember this always being here

[hard thistle]

yeah, it's a current bug since the update

[stuck geyser]

Someone shoot it with a plasma rifle.

Does that remove it?

[spare valve]

it dose

[stuck geyser]

I'm out of ammo.

[spare valve]

it gose purple and then breaks like a heild

sheild

[mental grotto]

Remove mech and make the levels grounded slayer combat vs titans instead lmao

[stuck geyser]

Welp, time to report this.

They added infinite ammo respawns in eternal for these, but forgot to here apparently.

[hard thistle]

#screenshots message

[stuck geyser]

wut

[hard thistle]

does it actually remove it?

[spare valve]

yeah

it breaks

[hard thistle]

cycler? or accelerator?

[green estuary]

bruh
how are they gonna make a plasma shield but not refill your plasma ammo to break the shield

[spare valve]

I forgot the name the one with double barrel

[stuck geyser]

Yeah they forgot to put down a respawning plasma ammo item.

[spare valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1210268674070413352/1403583571867734116/0809_2.mov?ex=68981490&is=6896c310&hm=04ca5147cd007ca222f0c203b7391c380297f8acf0d221d346f638434cb3b66d&

I wonder if its some sort of test item for master levels

[hard thistle]

this isn't the one though

[hard thistle]

this

[spare valve]

I know I broke the first one before I was recording

[hard thistle]

so they all break by shooting with cycler??

[stuck geyser]

or accelerator.

[hard thistle]

That's a new thing.

they should have explained it

[spare valve]

its weird I dont think its supposed to be in the game

[hard thistle]

what about this red one? does cycler break it also? - #screenshots message

[spare valve]

Its this one he must have shot at it with a plasma gun then stopped or ran out of ammo

[green estuary]

this is kinda goofy ngl

feels like they were testing some ML thing and they forgot to remove it

[stuck geyser]

I reported it to the team and suggested they put down a respawning plasma ammo item.

[tender vale]

uuh anyone know how to fix an issue where i load into a level and then the mech just doesn't load in

[spare valve]

wdym

[tender vale]

it wont let me send a video of it u mind if i dm a recording?

[spare valve]

I dont mind

[tender vale]

(idk if it'll embedd properly so i might send a yt link instead)

context: i weas doing a un run in the new update. died, so like the sane person who just wants to do it for the skin and not the challenge. i alt+f4'd so save the run, i then encountered this

[stuck geyser]

yeah they've systems in place to prevent alt f4ing from working IIRC.

[green estuary]

what

[stuck geyser]

As in, the very moment you die, the moment the save goes bye bye.

Even if you alt f4, the game manages to delete it anyway.

[tender vale]

still doesnt do that in tda

yet

[green estuary]

oh
I thought this meant that alt-f4ing when you encountered a bug wouldn't work

[lavish kindle]

damage to player down to min
damage to demons up to max
500% game speed
should only take a couple hours

[tender vale]

rip

[stuck geyser]

in pepperoni

[tender vale]

am i allow to send a link to what i mean or is that not allowed

[mental grotto]

Definitely feels unfinished and probably shouldn’t be in the level. Doesn’t really add any real value to the gameplay, it’s just there to slow you down for the hell of it

[tender vale]

https://youtu.be/0pHp0wK3yCQ

heres a video of what i mean

[mental grotto]

Fight the old one on foot lmao

[tender vale]

any cmds or anything that can make me summon the atlan?

[tender vale]

i can kill everything fine, but i cant press "g" on the pillars/towers 😭

[spare valve]

no but if you enable dev checkpoints you can tp to the boss and fight him

[tender vale]

oooo

how do i do that?

[green estuary]

somebody needs to make an artwork with regular-sized doomguy climbing up the massive weapon pods from the atlan sections lmao

[mental grotto]

Dang UN is super lenient for this game. Being able to use sliders, no alt f4 failsafe, dev commands being allowed. Kind of wild

[spare valve]

ui_menu_devmaps should work may need ot reload the level

[tender vale]

and steam f12 crashed the game when i tried to take a screenshot lol\

[spare valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288902538036383774/1403589478429233172/0809_3.mov?ex=68981a11&is=6896c891&hm=ae3bbdaa21f081337a22a0f084cff4d66286b3bdd1a1d6549942e2f87ec5a6ca&

you can enable double jump with commands

[frail bloom]

How?

Do the devs play with double jump?

Are they planning double jump falters

That would be huge

[spare valve]

I dont think they are planning on adding it

[tender vale]

"show the devmaps option in the root menu"

[green estuary]

this game does not need double jumps

[frail bloom]

Well I know that but you would get infinite falters

[mental grotto]

Doubt it, most likely double jump was something they experimented with in the very beginning and scrapped early on

[frail bloom]

Sounds kinda cool

[spare valve]

yeah it also enables dev checkpoints

[green estuary]

we already have a 1.5 jump

[frail bloom]

Ye I guess

[spare valve]

they wont add double jump its a left over from eternal

[tender vale]

tysm

[tender vale]

https://youtu.be/Ph3kk3oDZYI here it is in game lol

[spare valve]

pm_alwaysallowdoublejump 1

that will turn it on

do you guys know about the axe weapon?

[tender vale]

yep cuthulu insta kills 😭

[mental grotto]

I’ve been at work all day and haven’t gotten a chance to try the new update, so I’m curious for the new horde mode are you required to use the menu to customize what demons you fight? Or is there a way to just fight randomized demons

[frail bloom]

Ye you gotta configure it for now

But it's in 1.0

We'll get some qol changes later on

[mental grotto]

Hopefully

[frail bloom]

I mean Hugo confirmed they wanted to do more

It's a matter of when

[mental grotto]

I understand why they wanted to hold off on a lot of these changes till the major quakecon update, but I feel like certain things like the slow mo slider could have been patched in earlier

I just hope that in the future it isn’t a similar situation of waiting around for features that are already completed

[frail bloom]

Ye I agree

The slo mo slider should be expanded on honestly

[mental grotto]

Only way I can see them doing that is to add separate sliders for melee and parrying. But I’m happy it’s finally here

I don’t really see why anyone would want separate values for each, but more options are always better

Also might just not be possible to do that due to how it’s coded, I have no idea

[tender vale]

no?

[spare valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288902538036383774/1403592113656041492/0809_4.mov?ex=68981c85&is=6896cb05&hm=041a77c542329d6d2cf25c1901d87a02d24c863c1ee00cd5526f8ead2a55936f&

[frail bloom]

Possible with kaibz mod I believe

[tender vale]

dang

[frail bloom]

Bro has access to everything

[real crater]

enjoying the ripatorium

[tender vale]

@spare valve is there a cmd to kill enemy ai? getting one shotted by cuthulu aint that balanced

[real crater]

wish they would just end the encounter when there was like a couple zombie left instead of making you find them

[spare valve]

set player damage to 1000

on the menu

[tender vale]

whats the default value?

[spare valve]

and use the bfg

[tender vale]

for azrak fight

[spare valve]

I mean on the diffuculty settings

[tender vale]

aah

[spare valve]

you can do god 1 and you wont die

and give all gives you a cut weapon that shoots balls

[tender vale]

real

[mental grotto]

In that case, I’m not sure why they didn’t make two separate options. But again, I’m happy it’s there in the first place

[frail bloom]

There's also the fact that it's not 100% no slo mo there's a bit of slo mo

Like a smidgen

[mental grotto]

Randomized endless mode for the ripatorium is a must imo. Obviously I haven’t played it so I don’t know how it works, but I can only imagine fighting the same demons endlessly will get old quick

[frail bloom]

I mean true but you can change up the encounter each time the problem is that there is no customizing waves after the first

[tender vale]

just sets me to 20 health

[frail bloom]

But they'll add it I trust

[mental grotto]

That’s what I mean. No point in enabling endless mode if it’s just gonna be the same demons wave after wave

[spare valve]

yeah but you should not die

[frail bloom]

Ye I'd avoid endless mode honestly I have way more fun when there is a goal

But I agree a randomizer would be sweet

[stuck geyser]

You will. It's a punishment for cheating so you can be one shot in UN mode.

You still take damage.

[tender vale]

rip it doesnt

[spare valve]

weird it should do

[tender vale]

aah

[stuck geyser]

Nah, that's how it was in Eternal.

[mental grotto]

Something akin to ultrakill’s cybergrind would be amazing, with escalating difficulty

[frail bloom]

At least we have one and it's free

At least they'll expand on it

At least they listen

[stuck geyser]

Instead what you want to do is set a certain console variable where the multiplier for player damage is set to 0.

IDK what it was again, but that's effective to god mode without the punishment.

[spare valve]

god mode works for me

[mental grotto]

All very true. Excited for this update, I kinda got burnt out on the game after launch so I’m excited to revisit it

[frail bloom]

But there are some bad bugs

The ssg bug and overall nerfs were poo poo

[mental grotto]

Unfortunately doesn’t surprise me

[frail bloom]

So I'd avoid the ssg

[spare valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288902538036383774/1403594513124950117/0809_5.mov?ex=68981ec1&is=6896cd41&hm=2c77fafdf0329f025c6ae7cc95a45950cdcf0ef121d199165927d1a916adbcc5&

[frail bloom]

And the campaign might have more slog moments now with its maintains

[mental grotto]

I read thru the patch notes, seems like they made it less effective overall but what’s the bug with it?

[tender vale]

bruh i cant even get to the azark fight cuz i can GK the cuthulu boss 😭

[frail bloom]

Smt like you can't cancel any animation with it

[spare valve]

you sure you did god 1

[frail bloom]

Hard to block with it or smt

Someone remind me I don't use the ssg

[tender vale]

all it does (in un) is set me to 20 health

[green estuary]

you have to wait for the reload animation to finish to block

[frail bloom]

There you go

[mental grotto]

I don’t mind the maintains and the beefier enemies honestly. Lots of the demons in tda felt very weak to me so I think this is a good change

[tender vale]

the dev checkpoints for azark dont spawn him in either sadly

[green estuary]

yeah dev checkpoints just teleport you to the location

[frail bloom]

In theory but I was watching Devo's stream and he didn't like it even tho he's super skilled which was weird to me

So I assume they overcorrected?

[green estuary]

I only have an issue with the ssg nerf, which I've already modded out

everything else I'm chill with

[mental grotto]

I thought the whole fucking point was that you could now animation cancel reloading to block, wasn’t that just how it was before?

[frail bloom]

Honestly I feel like I can't even do that

[green estuary]

nah that was a bug with shield throw, not block
but they're fixing the block problem as well

[frail bloom]

Maybe I'm wrong

[mental grotto]

Gotcha, that makes sense

[mental grotto]

Usually better to form your own opinions anyways

Waiting till I play it to say for sure what I do and don’t like

[frail bloom]

Well I haven't played yet right, but if a skilled player thinks it's a slog then that worries me

Like it's not "fun" challenging I'm gathering

[green estuary]

idk mr devostation is cracked at the game
but he also plays at 150% speed no slow mo

[tender vale]

is there a cmd to mark a level as complete?

[spare valve]

im not sure

[green estuary]

so I'm not sure his experience really matches up to me as a casual lmao

[frail bloom]

I asked him earlier I'm just waiting for the response

So he can articulate

[tender vale]

what about a cmd for a double jump?

[spare valve]

pm_alwaysallowdoublejump 1

you jump higer if your running its weird

higher

[mental grotto]

I don’t know, I just don’t see how slightly buffing the health of some heavy demons could lead to this. I also tend to take “super skilled” players’ opinions with a grain of salt because their views typically don’t align with the other 95% of the playerbase. But again I’m waiting to form my own opinions

[green estuary]

the armored mancs feel a bit too overtuned tbh

[frail bloom]

I know I know but there has to be a reason a skilled player thinks the buffs made the encounters a slog

I just need some reasoning or explanation

So far it's the statement I just wanna know why now

[tender vale]

rip still cant gk it, last hope. is there a command to give me the reward items?

[mental grotto]

And I think that reason is that “I’ve been playing on 150% speed all sliders maxed and snorting a line before each level, and now that my gameplay has been slowed by 0.004% I’m upset”

[spare valve]

I dont think so

[frail bloom]

#screenshots message
Hugo just popped in the announcement vid look what's on top lmao

[spare valve]

type listcvars and it tells you all of them

[mental grotto]

But I’m just making assumptions at this point, I don’t know the guy and I don’t know what the changes are till I play with em myself

[frail bloom]

He seems like a real chill dude

I think he also talked abt the skill ceiling not being as high or the game being kinda limited

I just wanna know whyyyyy

Hear it out

[mental grotto]

I also came to this conclusion with <100 hours on the game

[spare valve]

I think freecam is coming soon

there are some new commands for it I think im not sure tho

[mental grotto]

I wouldn’t say the game is limited, but the skill ceiling is absolutely not as high as eternal’s

[frail bloom]

But is it impossible for the game to raise the ceiling?

What if they implement melee swapping

[warm ibex]

Katsu knows what's up

[summer temple]

Did they change the parry timing on enhanced asscrack or is it just me

[frail bloom]

What's a skill ceiling again

Like someone go through thr comparison between the two games

[frail bloom]

Honestly I thought the point was to add more enemies not overtune the enemy type

[green estuary]

bro aggadons are cooked wtf
you can be right on top of them and they all of a sudden use their unparryable red projectile

they did something with their AI

[mental grotto]

Maybe marginally, but the gameplay is just by nature simpler with mechanics that are easier to master imo

[frail bloom]

Didn't hugo watch your vid with Allstin?

[green estuary]

[frail bloom]

What if they had melee swapping

And rune swapping

[green estuary]

kaibz mod would like to know your location

[frail bloom]

How is that mod?

How does it feeeel

[warm ibex]

That's what I thought too! I personally don't think the solution for TDA balancing is to increase enemy health or resistance to certain weapons, but to instead increase the enemy count. Some of the larger fights still feel relatively empty, I think there's plenty of opportunities to make up for weaker enemies with high counts

[frail bloom]

So what happened why did Hugo just ignore that

[warm ibex]

they did both things tbf

[frail bloom]

Ye but that explains the slog some ppl feel

[warm ibex]

yea it does for sure

[frail bloom]

Alr well if we speak up enough they'll revert them relatively soon

Like maybe 2 weeks

Did anyone see my message from earlier

[green estuary]

well if you want to you can bind a bunch of keys to all your different weapons instead of switching weapon classes
also you can switch runes/melee in real time using hotkeys
also you there's gameplay mutators, so you can turn omni-sprint on and stuff

[frail bloom]

Abt Hugo

[mental grotto]

The main thing is that in eternal, maximizing DPS means mastering quick swapping, which takes a lot of skill to master, and there’s a very high ceiling for this even between high level players. In tda you can attain a very high DPS by only using one or a few weapons, so rather than switching to maximize DPS, you’re switching to use the right tool for the right job.

[frail bloom]

Damn what could they do then

You can't quickswap

[warm ibex]

honestly you kinda can now

not like super well but better than before

still a boring strat for TDA imo though

[frail bloom]

I mean not just quickswap

How can you raise the skill ceiling

[green estuary]

combos really increase your dps in tda

like shield bash/throw + shoot/melee

[warm ibex]

that's where the good shit is at

[frail bloom]

Ye I shield throw constantly now

[green estuary]

shooting an enemy and using the daze to absolutely unload on them with melee is just such a fun time

[frail bloom]

The increased speed made it so fun to use

[mental grotto]

Truthfully, nothing. And that isn’t a bad thing, not every doom game has to have a ridiculously high skill ceiling, dumb fun is okay too. To increase the skill ceiling in tda you’d have to just make harder levels

[frail bloom]

Maybe it depends on thr enemy type no?

[green estuary]

in TDA the encounter difficulty raises exponentially depending on how many pressure units you include

[frail bloom]

In eternal it was your character

In dark ages it's the enemies

Am I right or wrong

[mental grotto]

Right on the money

[green estuary]

like the difference between 1 revenant and 2 revenants in TDA is enormous

[frail bloom]

So what should they do moving forward

[green estuary]

make encounters with harder enemy comps

[grim cloud]

I got a pinky statue!!!

[green estuary]

you can make this game really hard quite easily

the ripatorium proves that

[mental grotto]

Make new, harder levels

I.e. dlc, master levels and endless mode stuff

[frail bloom]

Hmmmm but they shouldn't make the enemies stronger

Just add more enemies

[green estuary]

not necessarily

enemies can sometimes need buffs but I think they might have overdone it this time around in a couple areas

[frail bloom]

And add them in a balanced and challenging way

[warm ibex]

hey I was gonna say that too! I like that TDA is just flat out fun, feels like 2016 but better (in regards to balancing)

[green estuary]

I really doubt that cacos actually needed 40% extra HP

[frail bloom]

They did say they are adding new stuff to raise the ceiling for dark ages

In dlc

Forgot to mention that

[mental grotto]

I definitely think that some of the enemies needed the health buff. Hell knights, mancubi, probably a few others that I can’t remember off the top of my head. Cacodemons, less-so lol

[frail bloom]

But why not just more mancubi or hell knights

The arena can handle 60 at a time

[mental grotto]

Or this of course

[frail bloom]

I just agree with Horde

There should be more enemies

[mental grotto]

You don’t have to triple their health, but I do think that they needed to be a little more tanky

[green estuary]

they should have just increased hell knights' HP instead of nerfing the ssg against them tbh

[frail bloom]

Or add more!!!

The game was built for that

[mental grotto]

One shotting hell knights with the SSG was ridiculous, and I’m not sure if the solution was “nerf ssg damage ONLY against hell knights”

[frail bloom]

If you buff an enemy you can't use them as much

Like the mancs

[mental grotto]

Read my mind lol

[green estuary]

like there is no reason for hell knights to take 54% reduced damage against the ssg

[frail bloom]

Now you can't have 6 mancs cuz they're too tanky

[green estuary]

but still insta-stagger with a charged chainshot

[frail bloom]

It just feels so silly

[mental grotto]

That’s a little insane ngl

[green estuary]

yeah they used to take 40% reduced damage after update 1 but they made it even sillier

[frail bloom]

Even after a whole vid with Allstin and Horde talking over it in a clear and concise manner they still stumble on some non existent issue

Where is Hugo getting the criticisms, Reddit?

[mental grotto]

I just hope they don’t get too carried away with tuning and buffing/nerfing stuff, which it seems like they’re doing. The game was NOT in a terrible spot balance-wise at launch, it needed some tweaking but it wasn’t horrific. Now it kinda seems like they’re just throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks, and they’ve really gotta settle soon

[frail bloom]

I don't wanna come off as ungrateful btw I'm just lost

Like the answer was there and they just ignored it

[mental grotto]

It’s not healthy (imo) for a singleplayer campaign to have such frequent balancing changes, to the point where you need to check a fucking website every day before you hop on to see what values may have gotten tweaked

[frail bloom]

I know they have like a bunch of procedures and stuff

And it takes longer than some person who can code it in on their free time

But they spent 3 months listening

[mental grotto]

It’s not just Hugo, there’s a whole studio behind these changes and (I would certainly hope) playtesters seeing what works and what doesn’t. It’s much more complicated than Hugo listening to criticism, and you can’t please everyone. Especially for a game as divisive as this one lol

[frail bloom]

I know I know

Did not having more enemies work or something

[mental grotto]

But I understand what you’re saying

[warm ibex]

This is entirely my opinion, but my running theory is that they're doing a bit of post-launch backtracking after the general response was "everything is so busted that I only use one weapon, this isn't like Eternal"

[frail bloom]

I really liked the idea I thought it was solid

The whole have more of the same enemy type

[frail bloom]

Ye hard to take feedback when half your community can't and won't articulate and just spout out buzzwords

[mental grotto]

I definitely agree, but the way they’re going about balancing is just so fucking weird. Just very strange changes instead of simply “x enemy has more health” it’s “well this weapon is weaker against these 3 enemies, but not anything else” and it just seems overly complicated

[frail bloom]

That's like eternal but the opposite

Instead of weakness you have resistance

But it's never mentioned

So suddenly you have to change how you play

[mental grotto]

My opinion, but when the weapons are too overpowered, the solution isn’t to nerf the weapons, it’s to make the enemies stronger. This was quite literally the mindset that made eternal what it is and why it became such a fantastic game

[frail bloom]

Or have more enemies

It can handle that

The game is kinda empty in some places

So it would solve that issue as well

[mental grotto]

Also worth noting, more enemies means worse performance, and tda’s already isn’t great

[warm ibex]

I'm trying to encourage people to speak up more as well. The other day we had a conversation in here with the fella that really liked 2016's multiplayer mode and wanted more of that, which is a common opinion - that wasn't expressed until after they switched to battlemode. Too many people are dead silent until it's too late

[frail bloom]

I'm just worried that buffing some enemies limits how many are placed

Ye so many ppl liked 2016's

They just didn't speak up

[frail bloom]

I mean I had the 60 cap and it ran wonders on the ps5

Superheavies fodder and all of that

[mental grotto]

I’m not running a budget system by any means and I still experience noticeable frame drops in some of the denser arenas

[frail bloom]

Well it doesn't need to have that many more enemies

Like say instead of one mancubus you have three

[mental grotto]

Certainly not to unplayable levels, but definitely enough to throw me off

[frail bloom]

And instead of three, to six

[mental grotto]

I do agree with the sentiment though

[frail bloom]

I'm confident abt the new content they're adding but not so much the balancing rn

[mental grotto]

This game plays similar to classic doom, and a staple of really hard classic doom mods were the slaughter maps, levels with hordes of hundreds of enemies. We need more of that in this game

[frail bloom]

Ye that's also what made classic doom so hard

It's the enemies

The hardest maps use the best demon combinations and uses a ton of them

[mental grotto]

Exactly, enemies on their own were basically harmless for the most part if you knew how to dodge. But throw them in the mix with eachother and increase the numbers, then you have a real challenge

[frail bloom]

Like you can't have 5 archviles for the casual player

Just like you can't have 5 cosmic barons

It depends on the arena and the enemy

Lots of cover can hide archvile fire

They could take some notes from the game they're trying to take inspiration from lmao

[mental grotto]

Absolutely

[frail bloom]

Did anyone go in Hugo's stream today

Also I am up really late rn

[mental grotto]

Working till 2am at the earliest lol

Security can be a bitch but fuck it, I’m making bread here

Been here since 1PM

[frail bloom]

Yeesh

[neon perch]

The same people who claim to love 2016's multiplayer never hop on to play it.

[mental grotto]

Should be outta here by 3AM, then an hour and a half commute

[neon perch]

And that's how we are where we are now.

[frail bloom]

Isn't it dead

[mental grotto]

True…

[frail bloom]

No one to play with really

[neon perch]

To me it just seems like all these claims about how 2016 is perfect are just immediately kneejerk reactions to playing Eternal and TDA because they started out with it.

[mental grotto]

2016 walked so eternal could run. That game was so much fun for its time but I really don’t see how people think 2016 is better than eternal

[neon perch]

I don't feel that way about either game. I do favor Eternal overall but even I can understand the game has its own shortcomings. Thing is DE has mod tools and one can work around stuff with enough patience, 2016 and TDA don't have that luxury.

[frail bloom]

What did dark ages do lmao

Jog

[neon perch]

TDA is fucking zooming. I mean man I'd kill to be that fast in the previous two games.

WHY ARE YOU WALKING DOOMGUY.

[frail bloom]

You do run pretty fast

[green estuary]

base sprint speed is very satisfying in tda

[neon perch]

I THOUGHT YOU WERE BLESSED WITH SUPER SPEED DOOMGUY.

DID YOU FORGET HOW TO MOVE LEG FAST.

[mental grotto]

Every game has shortcomings, but I feel that there’s very little that 2016 does better than eternal. Besides maybe it’s aesthetic which is 100% subjective

[neon perch]

Oh I do prefer 2016's heavy industrial vibes. Too bad that's only felt for the first 5 levels. But people act as though the entire game was like that for some odd reason.

Foundry and Argent Facility are still the peak of the new trilogy imho.

[frail bloom]

Idk I loved Hell the most there

Felt ethereal and spacious

Boondocks of Hell someone said

[neon perch]

Interesting. Personally I thought 2016's hell was pretty barren.

[mental grotto]

The environments are definitely a bit samey. But I love the grittiness, wasn’t a fan of eternal’s arcadey aesthetic. So I fucking love tda’s style

[frail bloom]

(Most as a level type in 2016, not hell in the entire series)

[neon perch]

To me it felt like they put all their efforts into designing the shit out of corridors for the first 5 levels of 2016 then slacked for the other 8.

The level of detailing and environmental design from Res Ops to Argent Tower is near OCD tier.

[frail bloom]

Isn't kadingir the 5th

Or was it 6th

[neon perch]

You're forgetting the intro level.

[mental grotto]

I definitely liked 2016’s Hell depiction. We spend most of our hell time in argent d’nur if I’m correct in my lore understanding, so it makes sense why it’s kinda just a barren wasteland

[frail bloom]

Oh ye

[neon perch]

I could make love to TDA's hell.

I love that it marries aspects from both 2016 and Eternal.

[frail bloom]

It is pretty sweet

Has my fav level

Reckoning

[neon perch]

It's barren but in an appealing and less, idk, featureless way? For me anyway. But also has that gothic architecture with tons of greebles from Eternal that are really gorgeous to look at.

TDA's last level (Reckoning?) is fucking peak.

[frail bloom]

And it has cool enviromental story telling

Like the fact that Ahzrak crahsed tf out and crucified all his titans lmao

[neon perch]

The flesh catwalks had me teary eyed. TDA hell my beloved.

[mental grotto]

The imagery of all those crucified titans is probably one of my favorite scenes out of every single doom game

[frail bloom]

Cuz his titans did a piss poor job

[mental grotto]

We need more of that good ol’ classic doom gore. 2016 did a fantastic job of this, give me some crucified barons on the walls fr

[frail bloom]

Anyways I'm just waiting for some reverts to the changes made on some things

Not completely revert but tone tf down

[frail bloom]

That was a really nice homage

I liked the hanging barons

[mental grotto]

I can get behind that. They need to chill with the constant balancing changes because again, it’s crazy that you need to stay up to date through Bethesda’s fucking website to see which demons are gonna be stronger/weaker on a given day

[frail bloom]

Weird sentence

[frail bloom]

Ye you have to change how you play each month not cuz it's fun but cuz it's a slog to expirement otherwise

In a game where you're encouraged to have some fun

When it's not that type of game to have you use your entire arsenal

[mental grotto]

Exactly, midway through a playthrough all of a sudden “oh pinkies now do 300% more damage. Guess I’ll go fuck myself”

[frail bloom]

Yup now you gotta watch out for that bite

Which has been re-animated pretty nicely

[mental grotto]

I was making up an example for comedic effect, but I do like the pinky changes. Also excited to see how they changed the animation

[neon perch]

The pinky bite damage is some bullshit.

They're not any more lethal or hard to fight during normal play but the damage is bonkers.

[frail bloom]

I'd block immediatly after

[green estuary]

it ignores death protection

[frail bloom]

Or flank from behind

[green estuary]

so does the imp's melee lunge

[mental grotto]

They definitely needed more of a tell when they were about to bite, whether visual or audio

[green estuary]

yeah there's a visible wind up now which is nice

[neon perch]

I keep wanting a new Doom game where the enemies deal sensible damage, attacks are clearly telegraphed and projectile speed doesn't require me to be on aderall. Then I remember classic Doom exists. Oh well.

[green estuary]

lmao

[frail bloom]

Kinda only possible with those games

[green estuary]

although I'm not sure chaingunners deal what you'd call "sensible damage"

[mental grotto]

True… never a fucking question whether or not an Archie is attacking you in classic doom

[frail bloom]

In a certain capacity

[neon perch]

Just take cover.

[frail bloom]

Wasn't there that one secret in doom 2 where there's like 30 of them

[green estuary]

well that's never a question in eternal either...
because your health goes down by 100 in like a second and your screen goes orange

[neon perch]

It took ID 3 games to realize 'oh shit maybe taking cover is actually an integral part of the combat in these games and we made a mistake by calling it stupid to do so'.

[frail bloom]

In a secret door

[mental grotto]

Also extremely real

[green estuary]

2016 is lowk a cover shooter

[frail bloom]

Ye I like hiding behind cover but everytime I mention it someone says it's not doom enough

But the same ppl hate doomguy as this god

So like what do you want fr

[green estuary]

2016 on nightmare honestly forces you to take more cover than TDA does lol

[neon perch]

I like that they brought back hitscan for TDA but they have no idea how to balance it. It's not supposed to be 100% accurate sniper AI.

[mental grotto]

People who say this shit are not real doom fans because you’d know if you played the classics that using cover is an integral part of the games

[frail bloom]

I think it's like that cuz of the shield

[neon perch]

'I hAtE ThAt EtERnAL fORCeS yOU tO tHINK'

[frail bloom]

Maybe if hitscan did less damage?

On your shield?

[mental grotto]

Yeah this is also real. There needs to be an offset to catch you while you’re strafing, not just laser you

[frail bloom]

Can that work?

[mental grotto]

Again, something the classic games did very well

[frail bloom]

Can they add that omni sprint now pls

[green estuary]

I think the arachnotron and cyberdemon are balanced well
they're accurate but they aren't such insane damage that you just lose a bunch of health immediately (though cybers can really mess you up if you don't block quickly)
the buffed chaingunners, on the other hand...kinda bullshit

[neon perch]

It's called spread and damage falloff. In TDA an arachonotron/chaingunner is just as effective at 150ft distance as it is 2ft distance.

It's pretty fucking stupid.

[frail bloom]

Oh I see what you mean

Ye that is kinda goofy

A good idea to share honestly

[neon perch]

Being fair, 2016 and Eternal had stupidly accurate chainguns too.

[frail bloom]

Make it less effective at distance

[neon perch]

The Eternal chaingun is basically a sniper at long distances.

[green estuary]

yeah essentially

more accurate than the heavy cannon's primary fire

[frail bloom]

I think like 2 weeks is enough for them to take feedback and revert some stuff

Or fix stuff

[neon perch]

Right now what's driving me crazy is melee/weapon upgrades/weapon class selections resetting after checkpoint loads/resets.

I don't want the mace, game.

[green estuary]

yeah that pisses me off

I had switched to the flail but after beating a leader fight it auto-switched me back to the gauntlet

[frail bloom]

Ye it's very prevalent in ripatorium too

Dread mace ALL the time

So bothersome

[neon perch]

And then you have to build all charges again.

Very cool.

How have they not added a quick melee/rune hotswap option already?

[frail bloom]

Idk but they should

The game wasn't built for weapon swaps but rune and melee swaps?

Would make the game feel much smoother

Instead of the menu

[green estuary]

idk
I keep harping about kaibz mod for pc users because it has rune/melee hot swap

[frail bloom]

Ye and everyone who plays it loves it

But the rest misses out

[green estuary]

console players have it rough man

[frail bloom]

Hugo was hesitant at first cuz he wanted the game to have builds but like idc lmao

Just being honest

[green estuary]

like me as a pc player, I just have the option to make a custom mod that reverts the ssg nerfs if I want to
but you guys are stuck with the iffy balance changes

[frail bloom]

Idc abt that

[mental grotto]

I think rune swapping is a bit much, but melee swapping is definitely needed.

[unkempt dragon]

Interjecting quick~I'm gonna lay down but feel free to ping me if anything dumb happens in the channels~ The other mods are MIA for a bit

[frail bloom]

I mean I'd rather have melee swapping so I'm fine with that

[green estuary]

it's not really a "build" type of game like an rpg is
because you can switch stuff at any time in the menu and you get enough currency to upgrade pretty much everything
so it's more of a "feel free to experiment" type of game

[mental grotto]

Each melee weapon has much different utility, it shocks me that they haven’t added it or hadn’t planned to from the beginning

[frail bloom]

Ye exactly so get rid of all the hinderances

It's so annoying

[green estuary]

rune hot swapping is P E A K

[frail bloom]

I WAAAAANT IT SO BAAAD

[mental grotto]

It’s not like “each melee option is generally good in their own rite” they each have different specific uses that they excel at

[green estuary]

daggers for when I'm stacked up on resources but switch to ground fissure when I need armor

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-loltyler1-screaming-dead-wtf-gif-17500255

I'm missing out.

AUAUAHSHSUS

Now I gotta wait like a long time before I get any answers

And school starts in 3 weeks

Then I get basically no time

Damn

🐴

[hearty edge]

holy shit the ripartorium just ripped my torium

[stuck geyser]

I stay ground fissure at all times.

[hearty edge]

also it's so much better than eternal's damn

[merry jackal]

R u fr

[hearty edge]

yea from what i remember from eternal it's literally just a room with a bunch of enemies

[frail bloom]

Nah he's lying

He's playing you

[hearty edge]

30 fps

[frail bloom]

Skilll issue

[merry jackal]

What's difference from horde mode and this

[frail bloom]

N9ohing it sucks

It poo poo

[hearty edge]

from horde mode idk i didnt play it

[merry jackal]

What the

[frail bloom]

0/10

I'm sane trust

[merry jackal]

why so angry man

[frail bloom]

Trust

[merry jackal]

U were the one saying coop

Now ur calling it shid

[frail bloom]

No that was a different ton ton

I am the real ton ton

[merry jackal]

what the hell

[frail bloom]

It's stinky poo poo

[merry jackal]

😭

[frail bloom]

Not worth your time

Go play garfield kart that's a real mans game

[merry jackal]

Rest n come dawg

[green estuary]

Samir in his ragebait arc

[hearty edge]

holy shit the no shield block during ssg reload is fucking ass i see where people are coming from

[merry jackal]

What r u saying

[green estuary]

He’s tired of all the TDA slander

[frail bloom]

What do you think was it good

Was my rage bait good

[hearty edge]

no

[merry jackal]

I bought it for 50 bucks man even if it's bad I gotta think good Abt it

[frail bloom]

Ngl it's kinda fun

[merry jackal]

0/10 i thought u were high

[frail bloom]

No my ragebait lmao

[hearty edge]

i knew it was bait from the start

[merry jackal]

🫡

[frail bloom]

No you didn't

[hearty edge]

fuck i cant play with the ssg no more this is ass

[frail bloom]

You were clearly confused

[hearty edge]

and my low fps dont help

welp gonna have to aim with the impaler i ges

[frail bloom]

Damn it he saw through me

[dark thunder]

i dont like how when you get resurrected all the people that did it disappeared

[frail bloom]

Say what now

[hearty edge]

what do you wanna see valen's cheeks in game

[frail bloom]

Ohhh you mean the cutscene

Ye they ran off or something

Who cares

[dark thunder]

nah i mean it would b cool to see them all standing around

yo what enemy spawn should i do for ripatorium

[frail bloom]

Man I can't boot up the game rn

[hearty edge]

bro how can you all even react to all ts i cant handle 2 cosmic barons fisting me arse

[frail bloom]

I'd try 1 vagary champion, 1 komodo champion and 1 agaddon champion , some stalkers, some shield soldiers, zombies, pinky riders

[hearty edge]

all zombies

[hearty edge]

naw man that's death

[dark thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-cat-cat-stare-fast-gif-9103868621036733672

[frail bloom]

Wdym

I suggested a bunch of rune bait demons

[dark thunder]

game is like 10 times harder now i feel

[frail bloom]

Imp stalkers and pinkies are good for that

[dark thunder]

and its so brutal on no slow mo

[frail bloom]

very

Less time to react

But comboes feel smoother at least for me

[dark thunder]

now i just need to see if kreed is harder cause i saw someone said

[frail bloom]

Anyways try my idea I wanna see if it works

Or what it looks like at least

Cuz I was pondering on it for a while

[dark thunder]

bet

cosmic realm background and into the void soundtrack

there's no way im gonna be able to do this

[hearty edge]

maybe i should try to beat the campaign more than once before the ripartorium

nah

[dark thunder]

u should

[hearty edge]

i feel my reaction time is improving

[dark thunder]

im doin a pandemonium run and knew there were limited lives but i didnt know u had to restart the whole level

[hearty edge]

i'm getting closer to doom god

[frail bloom]

Uh oh

[dark thunder]

its all so much hard on low fps

[hearty edge]

i feel you

this ripartorium shi is getting me to the 30's

even like high 20's

bro i missed all my parries rn

DAMN IT I DIED BEFORE I COULD GET DA HEALTH

[frail bloom]

Huh

I stay like 60 at all times

On the ps5

[hearty edge]

how did people say this game was the easiest at launch this is so much harder than 2016

[hearty edge]

yea i have less than the required vram so that's that

[frail bloom]

I see

[rose dagger]

Would be great to have a Ripatorium chat room where ppl would share their presets

[frail bloom]

I think that can happen near future

For now all you can do is share a list

[rose dagger]

im just not that good at making encounters

[frail bloom]

How was it

[hearty edge]

fuck these cacodemons i'm getting rid of the cacodemons

[dark thunder]

ok since when the fuck does a aggadon just have an unblockable swing up close

[dark thunder]

it aint doable without bfc

killed everything but the vagary and aggadon

[frail bloom]

No watch me beat it trust

[dark thunder]

i literally cant beat komodos for shit

[rose dagger]

the delayed overhead?

[frail bloom]

I just gotta be there lmao

[frail bloom]

Wait.

[dark thunder]

idk i think it was just a bug

[frail bloom]

Oh ok

I was abt to say

[rose dagger]

it does destroy your shield charge if blocked

[dark thunder]

AGGADON DOWN

[rose dagger]

gotta parry it

[frail bloom]

Hell ye

[hearty edge]

BRO I FORGOT ABOUT THE BFC

[dark thunder]

yeah fuck komodos how the fuck do you kill them

[hearty edge]

killing them

[dark thunder]

like actually fuck the komodos

[hearty edge]

ya they are very tricky

[frail bloom]

Uh accelerator

[hearty edge]

accelerate my balls

[dark thunder]

i wanna actually turn into the slayer and kill the nearest reptile

[frail bloom]

Bruh

Is my encounter idea fun

[rose dagger]

all super heavy is mostly parry. trick is finding the combos between parries to take them down quickly

[hearty edge]

shit i put the campaign difficulty at hurt me plenty and not ultra violence

well iguess this is gonna be easier probably

[frail bloom]

Where's Mr. Marlicked

[rose dagger]

post

[frail bloom]

#the-dark-ages message

[dark thunder]

ok i did it

[frail bloom]

How was it

[dark thunder]

it's very tricky its a matter of deciding what to target first like in the beginning of belly of the best

its pretty good and it makes you panic

[frail bloom]

Was it fun

Yippee

[dark thunder]

I take out the aggadon first cause he's the easiest and then keep distance from vagary as thats the biggest threat i feel

[frail bloom]

I call it "oops! All champions"

[hearty edge]

well that was easy as hell

[dark thunder]

im sure if it added a cyberdemon champion and 2 cacos it would be impossible

[frail bloom]

There aren't no cyberdemon champions tho

[hearty edge]

i suppose he means leader

[dark thunder]

i meant leader

[frail bloom]

Eh I'd avoid that

Too much is too much

[dark thunder]

i hope in a future update they add bosses to it

[frail bloom]

Hitscanners in a wide arena mean death

You would need better cover

[dark thunder]

imagine fighting ahzrak and the witch with cosmic barons and shit

omg i should add cosmic barons

[frail bloom]

NOOO

[dark thunder]

could completely be ok if i use the ravager carefully

[frail bloom]

Don't do that to muh encounter

Now it's impossible

(Without bfc)

[dark thunder]

3 cosmic barons added to it all

I didnt use the bfc the time i beat it \

[frail bloom]

I know that's what's fun

But 3 cosmic barons c'mon

[dark thunder]

30 zombies 5 energy shield soldiers 2 stalkers 2 pinky riders and now 3 cosmic barons with aggadon, komodo, and vagary champions

[hearty edge]

you mean asscrack and the bitch

[dark thunder]

basically

[frail bloom]

Alr imma go

Gotta sleep

[dark thunder]

rip and tear

[hearty edge]

Same

[harsh egret]

Holy shit lol

Yeah really crazy actually

[dark depot]

Anybody has good ripatorium setups to try?

[harsh egret]

Lol horde mode gaming posted this one

"Oops! All Armor!"

5 Heated Shields, 10 Unheated Shields, 10 Energy Shields, 3 Chaingunners, 4 Imp Stalkers, 3 Battle Knights, 2 Battle Knight Leaders, 3 Armored Pinkies, 2 Pinky Leaders, 3 Armored Arachnotrons, 2 Mancubi, 2 Mortar Mancubi, 2 Armored Mancubi, 2 Mancubus Leaders, 2 Vagaries and 1 Vagary Champion

[merry jackal]

What the hell

Good lucky man

Luck*

[uneven mortar]

Berserker trophy finally popped, got em all now :))

[stray pollen]

Kreed maykr boss music aren't in the ripatorium jukebox aren't they? I really hope they added those tracks on there later on

[harsh egret]

Btw im looking to post about this on twitter, what's ur @ so i can credit ya?

[merry jackal]

I got beserker with only upgrading my melee to max did I get a bug

[hard thistle]

Am i the only one for who the game crashes quite often on ripatorium on PS5 ?

[worldly sun]

couple of things i took from ripatorium is that: if my shield breaks then take full advantage of back damage reduction and circle the arena all day long (within time limit!)

[uneven mortar]

is there a way to move the mission HUD up? its like a big ass smudge on my screen

[jaunty stump]

BIG THANKS for the Ripatorium hahaha, that %#@! is awesome

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-366884463840825135

[barren shell]

id suggest dont make it unplayable (i tried)

[jaunty stump]

the first thing I did, maxxxed all superheavies, lord am I having fun, hahaha

• nightmare xD

[solemn mauve]

That's extremely helpful, in the beginning I thought that once I lost my shield, that's it I'm done for but when I discovered that you take less damage when turning back, it saved some of my UN runs.

[north spire]

I love using the dreadmace in the Ripatorium cause it’s actually balanced there :)

[uneven mortar]

Those first two levels were way more intense 😳

Maybe i just forgot how to play but it didn't feel like a tutorial in the way it used to

[split gate]

What the sigma, NG+

[harsh egret]

I wonder if that's supposed to be master level campaign

[hard thistle]

???

[sleek ermine]

What is a Mortar Mancubus

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[spare valve]

Its kierandotc

[hollow sandal]

Here

[upbeat junco]

unarmored mancubus that shoots the fart bombs at you like vagary

[upbeat junco]

might try that later

[warm ibex]

glad to see that spreading around lol

[split gate]

Can’t wait for the sequel “Oops! All leaders!”

[warm ibex]

lmao

[harsh egret]

Hahah yeah already had a couple ppl say its fun

Ill try it myself later

[sleek ermine]

OOPS! ALL \\ENHANCED AHZRAK//s!

Where did my first \ go

[wintry nexus]

W, keep having fun

[frail bloom]

Mine was "oops! All champions!"

@dark thunder said it was tricky but fun

[merry sapphire]

prototype!

https://tenor.com/view/alex-mercer-prototype-claws-claw-prototype2-gif-22792639

[frail bloom]

I mean this basically confirms what master levels they're working on

And why it's taking them a while

While they out in bug fixes and update the ripatorium

[merry sapphire]

hope they update the game TODAY with a quick hotfix cause the responsiveness of the shield is driving me insane man

[frail bloom]

Thry're working on one big update for the Singler Player New game Plus

[merry sapphire]

singler player

[frail bloom]

The shield feels responsive to me now again

[merry sapphire]

wait really?

[frail bloom]

Maybe try the game again?

It feels much better minus the ssg bug

[merry sapphire]

wait thats probably it

[frail bloom]

If you're using the ssg you can't block while reloading

Wait is it?

[merry sapphire]

YEAH thats whats driving me insane

i did notice how the chaingun works fine but ssg doesnt

[frail bloom]

OOOHHHH yeah everyone hates that

Bug fix first thing monday

[merry sapphire]

yeah they should fix that in a hotfix cause the weapon is borderline unplayable now

[frail bloom]

Along with the nerfs it's just unfun

[merry sapphire]

yeah the ssg did not need a nerf like wtf

[frail bloom]

Doesn't even have any special perks either

So like why take away it's beeg damage

Here's the champions loadout

30 zombies, 5 energy soldiers, 2 stalkers, 2 pinky riders, 10 shield soldiers, 1 aggadon champion, 1 komodo champion, 1 vagary champion.

Tip: do not add 3 cosmic barons, thank me later

[split gate]

Speaking of which, I wish we did have Ahzrak and the Witch as an enemy for Horde Mode

[split gate]

They can’t match the BFC

[frail bloom]

So if anyone wants to try it go ahead I think I found something fun

[harsh egret]

Yeah i do hope that ng+ is just master level campaign

[frail bloom]

I think when we are making loadouts we should strive to make a tough but fair encounter not just ridiculous stuff

[split gate]

This game gonna be even more peak

[frail bloom]

They are master level campaigns essentially

It all leads to one thing

[harsh egret]

Oh man i cant wait for all the content

[frail bloom]

Man so that's more than I'm asking for

[harsh egret]

Yup

[frail bloom]

W Id

[orchid rover]

I think with this update we can FIRMLY put to bed this game being "Le slower than Eternal" this game gets JUST as hectic and overwhelming as Eternal could

[wintry nexus]

I’m so used to the slow motion goddamn

[frail bloom]

Ye I feel that sugar rush again

[orchid rover]

Lmao me too it'

[harsh egret]

Seems so far like there's been a big update every one and a half month so far?

[frail bloom]

What was the last one?

[orchid rover]

Sadly I think this means we don't get a DLC reveal at quakecon, hopefully by Sept/October we can get news

I never thought DA was slow it just felt CLUNKY with the constant slowdown and slow weapon swap and not being able to block at times

[wintry nexus]

Better time than most games that put out updates

[frail bloom]

Have you seen the dev commands photo?

[orchid rover]

NO WHAT PHOTO

[harsh egret]

Mainly path tracing i guess but thats still labeled as "update 1" and this one was "update 2"

[frail bloom]

#screenshots message

[orchid rover]

I suppose, but that was kinda bs since it affects a very small niche of players

[harsh egret]

Was never expecting any dlc stuff yet

[frail bloom]

Read the bottom

[harsh egret]

It included other stuff also im pretty sure

[orchid rover]

I'm gonna doom all over the place

[harsh egret]

I think it was that update at least

[wintry nexus]

Me too

[split gate]

Nah there will be people with rose-tined glasses who deny the truth

[frail bloom]

People say it ain't confirmed but if they're working on master levels, this is what makes sense

[delicate grotto]

Holy shit

[orchid rover]

Yeah I agree

[frail bloom]

It HAS to be this

W all around

Wait who uploaded it I needs to give credit

[wintry nexus]

Wait “Zoos?” What, the slayer will see the wild demons in an exhibit? 😭

[orchid rover]

I am one of the biggest Eternal fanboys out there and I really liked Dark Ages but it came with so many caveats that iD is legitimately looking to iron out. I cannot say enough how much I love and respect iD for their work on the Doom games and their community. I hope Hugo can see this discord sometimes

[harsh egret]

Kierandotc

[solar cairn]

Is it just me or do mancubuses have more hp now?

Somehow it takes a long time to kill on initial missions

[orchid rover]

Probably a testing ground for mech and dragon?

[split gate]

Based

[harsh egret]

Might be the model inspector and stuff lmao, codename maybe

[wintry nexus]

Dammit, got excited

[orchid rover]

Eternal had good community work, but we are officially starting Dark Ages with this support that Eternal got. I also firmly believe mod support will once again be the bookend for this game's updates. Doom is STILL a paragon for video game modding

[delicate grotto]

This stuff all seems very cool. Super excited for future content.

[orchid rover]

Also covid isn't here to damage the development. So unfair what Eternal and the team had to deal with

[wintry nexus]

Me too

[split gate]

I’m an Eternal fanboy but the direction TDA is going with is what I really wished Eternal had

[frail bloom]

He also found double jump as a left over from eternal look how bouncy it is

[wintry nexus]

Covid so annoying

[orchid rover]

Excitement is all I feel, I just want MORE. I want to fight in this game for a THOUSAND YEARS

[frail bloom]

#videos message

[harsh egret]

Im just so happy to see all the stuff that id is cooking, we getting more content than i expected

[vagrant path]

Oh I actually know what that entails, so basically a zoo in game dev terms is usually a testing ground for enemies in the game, basically line them up or spawn them with commands to test their ai.

[harsh egret]

Makes sense

[orchid rover]

I generally don't notice double jump missing. The only time I get annoyed is when you have that heavy bouncing around/trimping in the game due to the sheer momentum of the slayer's fat ass

[split gate]

I was so disappointed when I found out what they had actually planned for TAG 2, if it weren’t for COVID we would have been feasting

[orchid rover]

I had MULTIPLE times in this game where I just trimped off a fucking ledge. I don't think I died but it was quite ridiculous

[frail bloom]

I actually would prefer omni sprint to double jumping

[orchid rover]

Like are we serious? The DOOM SLAYER is tripping over rocks

[wintry nexus]

I loved tag 2, especially when they announced with TOMMOROW, But yeah, disappointing final boss

[frail bloom]

But they aren't adding it so far which is a bummer

[orchid rover]

I think the sprint is largely unintrusive in this game, but it does feel conflicting with the idea of Doom always being at full pace

[orchid rover]

That was fucking insane

[frail bloom]

Omni sprint is running in all directions not just forwards

And I would really like it

[wintry nexus]

“I wonder when this’ll come o- TOMORROW?!”

[orchid rover]

I see. Yeah I think we should get a blend of the speeds. It's because the large levels are so big

[frail bloom]

Also bc it would raise the skill ceiling since you can avoid more projectiles

So you can add more enemies

And the enemies are what raises the skill ceiling not your time to kill with your loadout

[split gate]

Tomorrow was absolute cinema

[delicate grotto]

Definitely made it up with TDA bosses. Enhanced Azhrak feels like Davoth’s fight fully realized.

[frail bloom]

But just my opinion

For someone out there

If they disagree

👀

[harsh egret]

Ye im totally fine without it

[frail bloom]

I knew it

[wintry nexus]

Dude did more damage than the creator of the universe 😪

[harsh egret]

Lmao ye cuz i said it before

[delicate grotto]

This ripatorium mode is so fun. A bit bare bones atm but it’s entertaining me a ton

[frail bloom]

[harsh egret]

[frail bloom]

Try my loadout

[harsh egret]

[delicate grotto]

What is it?

[split gate]

I am excited to see what the skill ceiling for TDA really is, if Eternal’s was based around mobility, air movement and quickswapping, no doubt TDA would involve us doing gnarly tricks with the shield

[frail bloom]

Here's the champions loadout

30 zombies, 5 energy soldiers, 2 stalkers, 2 pinky riders, 10 shield soldiers, 1 aggadon champion, 1 komodo champion, 1 vagary champion.

[delicate grotto]

Beautiful. Will do

[wintry nexus]

The shield saw makes me wanna say things I’m not allowed to say, in a good way

[frail bloom]

I'm focused on making more fun encounters that are tricky and challenging but fair instead of the masochist one's

[wintry nexus]

Ooo champions. My style, mind if I borrow this

[split gate]

What I hope for is that we get to shoot the shield for it to do something while it’s flying

[frail bloom]

Maybe you can like shoot the shield when you throw it and it becomes super heated

[delicate grotto]

Yeah same here. It’s a bit difficult with how the waves are set up. Continuously spawning without trigger demons can cause a lot of unintended chaos.

[frail bloom]

Ye for now I would just use one wave

I don't bother with a second wave

[delicate grotto]

Yep lol

[upbeat junco]

is there a time limit for this

[split gate]

And given what happened in the previous game, the functions of each weapon will be most likely be taken into account. Maybe we have to use the Haste function for the Pulveriser for a specific reason,…

[wintry nexus]

Slayer uses shield saw to floss his teeth

[frail bloom]

But it won't be forced

[frail bloom]

Jeez

How unconventional is that

[split gate]

Yeah, like we’ll be given an incentive to use it more maybe

[frail bloom]

You gotta angle it just right

[frail bloom]

Ye it's more so enemy weaknesses or armored baron stuff

[wintry nexus]

You gotta work with what you got

[frail bloom]

Where there's multiple ways

[delicate grotto]

Man I’d love for there to be actual challenge presets to try out in the Ripatorium. Completing them rewards a skin or plaque of some kind.

[wintry nexus]

This

[frail bloom]

How's my loadout so far

[wintry nexus]

Pretty challenging but fair

[frail bloom]

I think someone else was able to beat it so it's not impossible

[delicate grotto]

I can’t try it out atm but I’ve saved it to play later today

There was one loadout I tried yesterday and it made my PS5 lag lmao

[orchid rover]

Honestly Davoth overhated...

[harsh egret]

Actually no clue, might be 5 mins, can u confirm @warm ibex

[wintry nexus]

I’m still traumatised from the cosmic baron and Aggadon hunter loadout that I had

[frail bloom]

When is some masochist gonna do all superheavies

[frail bloom]

I just find him mid. That's all

He's somewhat fun to fight

Somewhat

[orchid rover]

The atmosphere was there, I just hate lifesteal on a boss and the traffic light system was thoroughly played out

[split gate]

I expected Davoth to have a more epic fight given who he is. Hugo knows this given what they had planned

[wintry nexus]

I love the marauder which is why I liked davoth

[harsh egret]

Mid is the best word to describe the Davoth fight lol

[wintry nexus]

But overall still could’ve done better

Understandable tho, considering Covid

[delicate grotto]

I thought the presentation was top tier but the actual gameplay was lackluster.

[harsh egret]

Hugo talked how a bossfight takes them quite a few months to make so theres that

[frail bloom]

Doesn't ahzrak technically have the same type of arena

[harsh egret]

At least in eternal

[frail bloom]

Like really circular and spacious

He's clearly the apology

[hard thistle]

Marauder is fine
Davoth not imo

[split gate]

It feels good to actually have trust in a game developer nowadays

[hard thistle]

only thing I liked aws the cutscenes regarding Davoth

[hard thistle]

and covid doesn't help

[harsh egret]

Yup

[hard thistle]

yaeh Asscracker had best boss. I have not tried the revamped Kreed yet

[delicate grotto]

Given he is the ruler of Hell. Weakened sure, but still a bit disappointing. WFH definitely fucked up tag’s production big time.

[frail bloom]

Another reason why dlc won't come for a while

[harsh egret]

Yeah well development time is shorter with this game but i think its more about programming and testing more than doing the visuals and etc

[hard thistle]

He's also weakened and playing like that because ritual combat. Davoth is a bit more honorable, whereas Azcrack is a smug snake who goes from taunting people to beggin for his life. The fact that Doomguy still went relatively kind on Davoth (who did not beg, did not cheat, and accepted defeat, while also having much more sinister plans than Asscracker) is quite telling

[frail bloom]

If we want at least 2 it'll take them 4 months alongside other work doing the bosses

4 or 6

[harsh egret]

And bossfights go through many iterations

[hard thistle]

another issue with davoth is that it's a five-phase fight but the phases don't offer much new each time outside of lore and some extra ghost enemies

[frail bloom]

Didn't the slayer blueball him with his "no"

[delicate grotto]

Most definitely. It’s exactly what id wanted Davoth to be but couldn’t due to WFH, resource and time restraints.
Even Hugo wanted Davoth to transform into a gnarly demon later on in the fight. They just didn’t have the ability to fit that into TAG’s scope.

[frail bloom]

Words hurt

[wintry nexus]

Alright I gtg, have fun guys! :>

[frail bloom]

Alr since I can't play dark ages since I think I'll revisit 2016

I'll try my best to keep time and see how long it takes with almost all exploration

[harsh egret]

Play hexen and heritic

[frail bloom]

Eternal was 5 hrs 35 min

Dark ages was abt 12-14 hrs I can't remember

[harsh egret]

How the fuck is eternal 5 hrs long

[hard thistle]

it was just a quick stab, whereas Azrack got beheaded with blunt force

[frail bloom]

It's that short

[harsh egret]

what

[orchid rover]

Btw if you didn't know, spam clicking/firing is like 5x faster than holding shoot on dragon

[hard thistle]

It's clear slayer disliked davoth, but he did not feel the need to torture

[frail bloom]

This is with all slayer gates

[harsh egret]

Oke that cap

[frail bloom]

It's a short ass game

[orchid rover]

That's cap as fuck

[frail bloom]

Bro I timed it!

With a stop watch

I was serious

[harsh egret]

U live on mercury where time goes by faster or smth

[hard thistle]

First playthrough, not 5 hours

I did note ven beat all slayer gates. as a matter of fact I don't think I ever did

[frail bloom]

Nooooo not the first playthrough

It was my recent one

[hard thistle]

ah ok that makes sense

[harsh egret]

Still lmao

[frail bloom]

Maybe you just suck

[hard thistle]

given how quicc those 100% UN glitchless speedruns can be, I can believe that there's really skilled people here (tehre are)

[harsh egret]

Uhm, no

[upbeat junco]

its ok i did it already

had more than a minute left

[frail bloom]

Do y'all think I'm lying

[harsh egret]

Idk i think eternal takes me 8+ hrs when i play it and i play it fast

[hard thistle]

the longest game is still silent hill 2 remake
shit took me 17 hours on first playthrough

[upbeat junco]

was fairly diff ngl

[frail bloom]

Do you put on a stopwatch

[harsh egret]

No

[hard thistle]

Ok in all seriousness, my longest first playthrough in a game was dark souls 2. It took me 60+ hours before I got to the final boss
Was my first soulsborne so I sucked

[frail bloom]

I didn't think so

[harsh egret]

But i also usually dont just play games in one sitting

I usually get interrupted with other stuff

[frail bloom]

Yur mum

[harsh egret]

No

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/beomkyuta-cachorro-rindo-dog-laughing-gif-20922220

[upbeat junco]

whats the time limit

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-shocked-funny-memes-gif-2651717394134726385

[frail bloom]

Whatever you want

[harsh egret]

Not me

[green estuary]

nah I'm kinda slow and it doesn't take me more than 6 hrs to beat eternal

[upbeat junco]

👍

[green estuary]

nope

[hard thistle]

difficulty?

[harsh egret]

Ok next time i play eternal ill time it but im surprised

I assume yall play on nightmare or

[green estuary]

of course

[hard thistle]

I tried to do all heavy demons, thinking I could survive on Ultra Violence... nope.

[frail bloom]

Nightmare

[hard thistle]

I play UV or Nightmare. On my yesterday run (killing 10 cyberdemon leaders in 10 minutes, 1 per round), I picked Nightmare with 500% damage to me and 50% to enemies for extra challenge

it was really fucking fun

[frail bloom]

Yes

[upbeat junco]

wait only 1 aggadon champ, okay

[hard thistle]

I usually play UV but I did do a Nightmare no-slider altered run recently... without weapon upgrades. It was fun

[frail bloom]

That's all you can do

Champions are the gold bosses

So there's one for three of them

[hard thistle]

I also tried max-difficulty cyberdemon but I'm really bad at smallest parry window rn

[upbeat junco]

ik,there's 3 aggadon champs in the settings tho

[frail bloom]

No there are 3 different types of Aggadon hunters

Normal, leader, and champion

[hard thistle]

Agaddon hunter only

No, do vagary only. Ok jk that is abusive. Or komodo only- ok that's worse

[harsh egret]

Wait u cant do buff totem enemies in the ripatorium right

I forgot their name lel

[green estuary]

enforcers? not yet

[harsh egret]

Yh exactly

Hopefully they add em