the-dark-ages

[frail bloom]

You know what I mean tho right like the ones that remix it into "Mick Gordon's style"(sounds absolutely nothing like Mick)-

[split gate]

They know nothing about the music at all, they’re simply there to hate. That’s it. Levy’s video unfortunately, is the perfect example

[vital rapids]

I prefer FM stuff but I think it's very cool that David is doing that. It's an awesome thing for the game and the fanbase.

Same the same old sweaty tryhards have to bring things down

[silver flame]

the problem is the new soundtrack is metal and whatever happened during the mick times god forbid people for the past 2000 years not have snobby views on metal music

[frail bloom]

Here's the thing. I really like Thronebreaker, but it's clearly a mix of Immora and Trial of Maligog, it sounds more TAG

[split gate]

The Unchained Predator mix that was made based on Mick’s style is the perfect example, it’s okay but it doesn’t fit the game. If Mick did it, I guarantee it would be different. It wasn’t Mick style, it was Eternal style

[frail bloom]

The new ost is orchestral thrash, all doom osts are metal

Different kinds of metal

[split gate]

How do people claim what Mick’s style is, it’s based on the game. We honestly don’t know how Mick would approach TDA

[frail bloom]

None of us do

Apparently he would do the same thing he did the last two

[silver flame]

cause proceeds to quote what i said

[frail bloom]

How creative.

[frail bloom]

Mb

[split gate]

Not my goat Mick, he would cook given it’s a prequel, vocal minority is stupid as always

[vital rapids]

I definitely groan and check out now when someone starts ranting about Mick Gordon tbh. What a legacy the angry mob are building for him 😂

[frail bloom]

I'm ranting over here

[shell gull]

watch some under the mayo and raguel

[split gate]

Same lmao

[frail bloom]

Ofc he would be creative, it's the copycats that annoy me

[silver flame]

metal seriously gets the cringest opinions of them all from alot of metalheads

[frail bloom]

Ye poor Mick cultivated this type of following.

Being a composer for doom must suck so bad

Your work isn't loved till years later

[silver flame]

i liked the new soundtrack

[split gate]

Same, time has proved again and again that haters simply hate with no reason.

[frail bloom]

And you're shunned then people love you like nothing happened

Then off to bully the next composer

I remember when everyone disliked TAG's ost

Now it's revered.

[shell gull]

who was it at ID that was causing the problems in the mick situation

[wheat sigil]

my two favorite circlejerk corners
pro-mick and anti-pro-mick

[frail bloom]

Just Marty

[silver flame]

martydumb

[frail bloom]

Farty

[shell gull]

is brother still in the industry

[frail bloom]

Yup.

[shell gull]

insane

[split gate]

Somehow yes

[frail bloom]

I know

[split gate]

I expected him to be not there anymore 💀

[wide oyster]

Tried this and it was almost insane sensitivity.

PS5 controller here which is probably also working against me.

Think I'm on the right track though making the view sticks more snappy and less laggy.

Will try and report back. Thank you for the help!!!!

[shell gull]

yeah yet people like chris avelone get fake SA allegations thrown at em

[wide oyster]

YouTube?

[shell gull]

and are shunned from the industry

[shell gull]

yes mayo explains the fun zone rlly good and raguel gives build types for certain types of people, me personally i like his SSG build

[wide oyster]

Love that thank you for the rec!!!

[shell gull]

np

[lunar spire]

Happy to help with anything!

[wide oyster]

Regardless we gonna RIP AND TEAR

[lunar spire]

Raaah

[wide oyster]

But first! Saving the princess 🙃

[split gate]

You don’t see them anymore for some reason

[wheat sigil]

i dislike tag2's ost🙋‍♂️

[frail bloom]

Ye funny how that is

[frail bloom]

We're a quirky bunch in the doomcord

[split gate]

Disagree but based af 🗣️

[frail bloom]

With varied opinions

Y'know what I will say this

[graceful lion]

it is a cycle

[frail bloom]

I wish the ost was longer on spotify

[wheat sigil]

no i believe we all have the same opinions

[frail bloom]

There are some cool parts left out

[graceful lion]

whne a new gmae comes out, you hate the new game and love the old game

[frail bloom]

I rather like Immora

[graceful lion]

then u do the same for the next game

[split gate]

Equivalent of the cycle in Dark Souls 💀

[wheat sigil]

example of a faked and bad opinion

[vital rapids]

I disagree

[frail bloom]

😭

[split gate]

I know your game bro haha

[frail bloom]

There are some harsh words thrown around

Metal generic sludge

The amount of disrespect

Like how does that help.

[split gate]

I got tired of looking at it at this point, I just ignored it now tbh

[frail bloom]

At least when I give criticism I lay out exactly where, on what timestamp, what should be fixed and why

[split gate]

Like we can talk about it all we want, nothing is gonna change because haters will hate, unless new development or update comes out

[graceful lion]

https://imgur.com/a/Sa6j5X7 the DOOM cycle

[split gate]

There’s more power to their words if you let it get into your head, just ignore them and focus on supporting FM

[frail bloom]

Imma keep ranting

[frail bloom]

It's not just that tho, I wanna defend based on good arguments and respect the others opinion but they're so condenscending

[wide oyster]

Does anyone play with threat detection on? Seems like that could help me a bit

[split gate]

Yep which is why I don’t bother anymore. It’s the internet, of course people will double down. If it was face to face, they would be pussies

[vital rapids]

Mainly keep moving and keep your head on a swivel is probably better than the threat indicator tbh
Turbo tank

[frail bloom]

Like I don't insult anyone I try to keep it level headed

[wide oyster]

Respecting others (on the Internet) is overrated

(This is a joke)

[split gate]

Goated

[wheat sigil]

i do

[frail bloom]

Btw anyone who calls themself a music producer and straight up trash talks another composers music and calls it soulless should not be trusted.

[wide oyster]

Parriable only might be the move for me

[wheat sigil]

i'm doing all projectiles

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-gif-27324358

[wide oyster]

Ahhh good idea

[frail bloom]

I've seen certain "producers" claim their profession as if now they have the authority over the other

[split gate]

FM needs as much support as possible, support is what makes success, not focusing on arguing against the hate

[graceful lion]

https://imgur.com/a/Sa6j5X7 the DOOM cycle

wait why didnt it update

[split gate]

Increase the views before morale improves

[graceful lion]

i basically added the doom logo in the middle

[wheat sigil]

deja vu..

[frail bloom]

Lol wait till we get that horde mode

Everything's gonna change

[split gate]

Haters: This is wrong because I can’t read

[graceful lion]

"DOOM TDA IS THE BEST GAME EVER MADE, I LOVE THE MUSIC, AND THE HORDE MODE!!"

[wheat sigil]

yeah i mean the bar for this game's horde mode isn't even particularly high lmao

[split gate]

Not again

[frail bloom]

Damn Doom: Civil war is a total letdown, gimme Doom not this Sentinel crap!!!!!

[vital rapids]

At this point I am waiting for the first developer to cotton on and just release a new game as a decoy, to draw the buttheads away from trolling their current one

[split gate]

We gotta wait for a few years tho

[frail bloom]

Lol I will watch closely

I'm so crazy I might write account names

[split gate]

Don’t man, use your time wisely

[frail bloom]

No I know

Or should I......

[graceful lion]

doom the light ages

[frail bloom]

Nah.

[wide oyster]

Doom is a matured and delicate flavor pallette. Some just can't compete

[lunar spire]

I still don't understand this. People just call things that are similar to something else that they just call it sludge at this point. Omg that must mean that Thy Art is Murder is just Whitechapel sludge omg

[frail bloom]

Thing is, absolutely none of them give an example

Tell me what Infernal chasm is like

"Thrash" ok...

"Orchestral" alr...

"Synthy" ok what is this?

[split gate]

Infernal Chasm feels like a homage to classic Doom tracks fr

[frail bloom]

It has one, Countdown to Death

[split gate]

Yeah that too

[lunar spire]

Precisely. It shows that they don't know metal

Like I'd love to ask "ok name 3 bands that are your heaviest" and if imagine dragons is on there then they don't get to critique metal imo

[frail bloom]

Idk I'm ranting over here bc I have to wait till DLC for them to top themselves

If they won't listen then hopefully dlc is FM's best work

[split gate]

There will be haters regardless

[frail bloom]

So we can finally stop comparing human beings.

If your music is called soulless that is a jab at your character

"Nothing personal" oh no it is

[lunar spire]

This is like when people called Whitechapel bad because they are straight laced decent guys lol

[split gate]

Tbh, how a person acts and respond for anything no matter how small, is a sign of character

[graceful lion]

"i stabbed that guy but it wasnt personal"

[split gate]

Action is a result of one’s character

[lunar spire]

Yeah but we both know that's not the spirit of it

[frail bloom]

Ye I think rant over

Anyways, music is pretty cool eh

[split gate]

Music banger, keep cooking FM

Surround yourself with positive community and discussions like this instead, it’s better than going to YT comments

You feel better anyways

But yeah, since beating it in UN, I haven’t played it, I’ve been like Thanos after Infinity War fr

[frail bloom]

Ye you should come back when they drop the big update

[split gate]

Yes sir, that is the plan, I’m back to Platinum Trophy hunting again for other games

[wide oyster]

Fun fact. I never finished eternal DLC final boss because parry rage

[frail bloom]

Parry rage?

Do you mean Samur or Davoth

[wheat sigil]

can't really blame someone for not completing the davoth fight

[frail bloom]

Fair

[hollow sandal]

Bruh I remember the Davoth fight made me rage and slam my controller. That doesn't happen 😭

[wide oyster]

Davoth was the one that would regain full health on each hit

*partial health

Yup. It was dark lord fight

And it kinda speaks to my current experience in dark ages.

That fight pigeon holes you into a single mechanic and punishes you so fucking hard if you fail to execute it correctly.

In dark ages....I feel like I'm being forced to play a certain style....but I can't for the life of me figure out what said style is.

Going to watch the mayo video and see what advice I can absorb

[frail bloom]

You have to parry, that's it

The way you handle enemies is up to you

Same with what weapon and what build

It takes time and practice but you'll get there

[fleet spruce]

TDA soundtrack allowed to instantly identify people that don't listen to anything beyond Mick Gordon lmao, iirc there were also people bashing on TAG soundtracks and saying similar shit.

[frail bloom]

There was, several

Andrew and David just looked so tired

Now they're beloved, which they deserve

[fleet spruce]

yeah absolutely, still baffles me how people react

[merry pumice]

TDA soundtrack is virtually all hard rock which fits the pace of the game but it’ll never surpass mick’s stuff for eternal for me

like if you listen to the riff for the only thing they fear is you and cultist base that shit is borderline funky

interestingly the track i loved most in TDA was unchained predator when you fight the first komodo champion, by far the most “eternal-esque” track in the OST

except it’s not in the OST for some fucking reason please god just kill me already

[frail bloom]

No I agree I prefer Eternals, but that doesn't mean I disregard Tda's ost

[frail bloom]

That's the biggest issue, but it's not their fault they're limited to a certain amount of time, I guess youtube mixes are the way to go for now

[merry pumice]

i’m not disregarding it i’m saying genuinely no tracks stick out to me except unchained predator, the menu music, and whatever song plays in hellbreaker when you fight the agadon champion

[merry pumice]

they could have just scored it for the OST no?

does that take a bunch of time idk i’m not privy to that stuff

[frail bloom]

All I know is that they're alloted a certain amount of time and made a bunch of stems, they had to choose what could fit in the time given and in turn will miss out on some tracks or certain parts left out

Like for example, Unholy siege has those awesome violin segments missing in the official ost

Look up a mix and it's there and sounds awesome and epic

[merry pumice]

oh yeah

[frail bloom]

I would add Infernal Chasm, Into the void, Atlan Battlegrounds and Blood Red to that if that was me

[frail bloom]

Think of it this way. When they score for Dlc(if they do) it has a chance of being even better. Dlc is much more compact, has less levels but more spectacle. Plus experience they could truly make smt special beyond what I believe is already special

[fleet spruce]

Hard rock? Dude this is the purest metal we have gotten so far.

[frail bloom]

It's more thrash plus symphonic orchestral elements

Not just metal

It's like calling Micks work hard dubstep

It could be more varied I agree

[silver flame]

you can tell when someones smokes too much metal

[fleet spruce]

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if someone out there actually calls it exactly that

[frail bloom]

They probably just don't really know how to describe it

Not many ppl here mean ill will it's hard to describe what you like sometimes

Unlike youtube comments lmak

[silver flame]

i like raw sounds honestly myself

[frail bloom]

Ye same

I saw a remicks of the cosmic realm track "Into the Void" and it was not good.

[silver flame]

thats cause its not done by mick possibly im assuming

so its just someone trying to get the vibe as much as possible but the reality case is would mick actually go that route

[frail bloom]

I can't post the vid but look up Into the Void if done by Mick Gordon

It's just not it.

[silver flame]

mick did the best when he did ki ost i think anyway

like some tracks in ki are way sick

[frail bloom]

It's not the synths, it's his production and quality. We want good music, whatever type it is doesn't matter as long as it fits the game, does what it sets out to do, and sets a path for itself

[fleet spruce]

You mean the "remixes" where they add random synths and call it a day?

[silver flame]

https://tenor.com/view/teclista-loco-keyboard-intense-gif-13321113

[frail bloom]

Yup. Or completely butcher the original into smt that doesn't fit

Funny how people eat that slop

[uneven dragon]

i don't really get why you'd want to listen to that and not just the original

[frail bloom]

I was curious

[uneven dragon]

i swear if you just gave someone the TDA ost and then said "mick made that" they wouldn't notice

[frail bloom]

Cuz it already has some synth work

But the remick was just awful

Lost all the power

[uneven dragon]

i mean ppl who like unironically like it more than the og and listen to it over the og

[frail bloom]

I don't trust them lmao

They don't care abt style or change they want the same exact thing regardless of what it's in

[uneven dragon]

thanks to a lot of help from TheDinosaurHeretic the doom OST document is now fully up to date with The Dark Ages 100%

i didnt realise Getting Too Tense was in Steel Beyond the Grave

[frail bloom]

WHAT

Bro lemme hear

[silver flame]

THE DOOM MUSIC BIBLE

[frail bloom]

Alr I can't say the word that rhymes with imp

For some reason

[silver flame]

limp

[frail bloom]

Replace with s

[silver flame]

zimp

5imp

[frail bloom]

Ye zesty version I guess

[frail bloom]

May I hear

[uneven dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLzToCT1LUE

at least it's composed very similarly

[uneven dragon]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f2GvIaSYUJ5jjUJtgQZcu-Jb-RE-bh1moIRW2x9tKfA/edit?tab=t.0

[frail bloom]

Ehhh I don't hear it

Which part of the og

[uneven dragon]

ill ask him for the specific timestamps in a sec

[frail bloom]

We need a vid comparing them

Like for all of them

Someone needs to hop on this it would be awesome

TAG never got this too

(Probably cuz there's not as many)

[uneven dragon]

I didn't realise the Doom TDA OST had Doom 3 voicelines spliced in, that's fuckin sick

[frail bloom]

Bro I needs a vid on this

We need a compilation

[uneven dragon]

There's a decent amount, you have a lot of 2016/Eternal songs referenced in TAG 1 and TAG 2 has a lot more references to Classic Doom in it

Davoth's boss theme alone has like 7 other songs in it

[frail bloom]

There's no vid on youtube covering it like the extensive 30 min vid on just Mick

The other composers haven't been given the same amount of love

[uneven dragon]

(At Doom's Gate, Dark Halls, DOOM, BFG Division, The Baron of Hell, The Icon of Sin, Shady Hayden)

[frail bloom]

Hoovy we needs you

This is your mission

Become ultimate Hoovy

[uneven dragon]

I was making one but gave up after finishing classic references

Just too time consuming

[frail bloom]

For what

[uneven dragon]

an OST references video for the entire franchise

[frail bloom]

Bruh you don't need to do that

You could just do TDA

[uneven dragon]

yeah i'll do one for TAG and TDA sometime

[uneven dragon]

i wanted to knock out all the games without ones like LoR and Mighty Doom too :P

[frail bloom]

Dinoheretic is too busy and no one else I know will do it

[frail bloom]

LoR is prime reference material btw

So many good tracks

I wanna hear them modernized

[uneven dragon]

true as hell

it also has plenty of references itself

[frail bloom]

Two birds with one stone dude

I needs it it's so funky and groovy and sometimes menacing

[uneven dragon]

I would say I would want to hear They're All Going To Laugh At You modernised but

that's basically just The Only Thing They Fear Is You lol

[frail bloom]

Ye not the greatest pick

[uneven dragon]

THE SKELETON WORLD modernised would go fucking hard tho

[frail bloom]

THE SKELETON WORLD is a good one

[uneven dragon]

The Shores of Heaven maybe but I like that one as a MIDI too much

[frail bloom]

EXACTLY

[frail bloom]

It's very menacing and has almost modern doom like riffs it would work so damn well

I can imagine the Vassago walking out of a volcano as you fight it

Perfection is there waiting to be translated

Sorry for getting worked up I just see the potential

[uneven dragon]

Vassagos need to be put into modern doom

[frail bloom]

Oh btw do you wanna see my interpertation of a modern Vassago

I drew one a while back

[frail bloom]

#screenshots message

[uneven dragon]

thats fucking sick

[split gate]

It’s where haters go to circlejerk

[foggy breach]

I fucking love this soundtrack.

[verbal void]

Eternal and 2016 hits diff tho

[uneven dragon]

Atlan Battleground, Into the Void and Infernal Chasm are some of the best of modern Doom

[frail bloom]

Me personally I don't have much 2016 added but when it hits it hits

But fair opinion

[uneven dragon]

I'm currently listening to the last few levels' OST again because I kinda forgot how it sounded and didn't really give those levels a fair listen

holy shit Divine Retribution fucks

[raw drum]

I don't care what anyone says, Dark ages soundtrack literally SLAYS

[foggy breach]

Agreed

[split gate]

We’re not saying they didn’t, we’re just appreciating TDA

[raw drum]

People out here hating on it because mick isnt in charge of the audio but to be honest it was absolute peak

[foggy breach]

Haha "slays."

[raw drum]

Best one by far is probably blood spill or the ancestral beast

[frail bloom]

I'm really hoping DLC is all just phenomenal tracks, we might get like 10 tracks(not per level) which is enough no?

[raw drum]

Unholy siege gets stuck in my head unhealthy amounts

[split gate]

I will never stop glazing Blood Red 🫡

[raw drum]

All the soundtracks are goated in general

[frail bloom]

Hundred percent brother

Doom in its core

[raw drum]

Would place some above micks maybe too

[raw drum]

Blood red is also peak

Every soundtrack is peak

[split gate]

My most listened to due to preference and because Chapter 4 is a pain in UN

[raw drum]

In tda

[foggy breach]

I'm a Ancestral Beast fan.

[raw drum]

https://tenor.com/view/dap-dap-up-bully-maguire-spiderman-homem-aranha-gif-2038310814613101264

[split gate]

Noice, it’s unlike anything I’ve heard from a Doom track

[raw drum]

Reminds me of that cyberdemon track I think

[frail bloom]

TOTTIFY remains my fav but a lot of FM tracks beat Metal Hell, SGN, Urdak heavy fighting, Flesh and Metal, Harbinger, Skullhacker, all 2016 boss tracks

It's good

Very good

[foggy breach]

I find it weird how they do not include everything into the official soundtrack

[split gate]

People say there’s a reference to the track that plays for the Cyberdemon boss from the classics in Ancestral Beast but I cannot hear it for the life of me, I’m missing something

[split gate]

Ngl, anything beats Urdak heavy fighting

[frail bloom]

It's cuz they are forced to fit the ost under a certain time limit

[frail bloom]

Lmao why did you think I included it

[foggy breach]

Dang, that sucks

[split gate]

Fair

[frail bloom]

Ye your best bet is youtube mixes for those more unique sections

Like the Komodo theme

[foggy breach]

I love hearing the certain riff with the Komodo Champion

[raw drum]

Every soundtrack is beyond peak

[foggy breach]

Can't wait for the DLC to hear more music

[frail bloom]

I really want dlc to blow me away

[split gate]

Chat I’m gonna say it, Metal Hell did not stand out for me at all

[frail bloom]

Like dlc should have the best tracks

[frail bloom]

Cuz it's Rust dust and guts but tamer

[foggy breach]

I have my own variant and its Meathook not hitting it for me

[split gate]

It sounded like a step back from the rest of Eternal’s ost

[raw drum]

There were times during the gameplay the music got me so hyped gunning down vagarys I began syncing my chainshots and parries with the music

It was peak

[split gate]

Same for me, Meathook is too repetitive for me

[frail bloom]

Ye it's filler which is weird for mick but given his situation it's kinda obvious why

[raw drum]

Meathook was cool until it got repeatative

[frail bloom]

Unholy siege hits hard when you parry that cybie and flail the imp stalker

[raw drum]

Yeah

[foggy breach]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-family-guy-i-did-not-care-conversation-gif-19568330

I did not care for Meathook

[raw drum]

I also began an addiction of spamming the impaler in demons private parts

[uneven dragon]

aw i kinda like it

[frail bloom]

Me personally I really like meathook

[uneven dragon]

it's super duper aggressive and fits the vibe of hell a lot

[split gate]

The only good thing was the choir Mick put in at the end of it in the ost

[uneven dragon]

also the 'ambient' part of metal hell is fucking bonkers

like the intro of the level

[split gate]

That’s all good chief 🫡, happy you enjoyed it, I just wish I did too

[frail bloom]

Ok I will give it that

Ambients are just as important

[raw drum]

I have a video of me stabbing azhraks ejaculatory duct and punching and kicking him right in the nuts

[frail bloom]

Believe it or not

Guys you're gonna spend a lot of time hearing ambient not just combat

Important you get the ambient down

[foggy breach]

If I'm being honest, I did not care for BFG Division

I prefer Mastermind over it

[uneven dragon]

I love BFG Division but Mastermind is better yeah

[frail bloom]

I mean it references BFG division

Makes sense

[uneven dragon]

HOLY FUCK IM RELISTENING TO COLOSSUS UNLEASHED FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS IS FUCKING NUTTY 😭

[frail bloom]

Eh

Colussus unleashed to me is a bad track

[uneven dragon]

whys that

that ending bro

[fleet spruce]

Cloudy with a chance of spiders could work great too imo, I also love how Wizard Science straight up sounds like C&C track

[split gate]

It’s so freaking good

[frail bloom]

Don't kill me it's just so seperated from the rest of the ost. It's not like Atlan Battlegrounds which have those crisp beeps and wet crunchy riffs

[split gate]

Pacific Rim type of track

[foggy breach]

What track do you think is underrated in TDA?

[frail bloom]

Oh boi

Ohhh boi

Hmmmm

[uneven dragon]

Pursuit of Demons

[frail bloom]

Ph that one is funky

[split gate]

Steel Beyond the Grave

[frail bloom]

I like the beat

[frail bloom]

Nah Steel beyond the Grace

Now all we need to do is wait a year till I hear what FM been cooking up for dlc

[foggy breach]

Never heard anyone mention Apotheosis

Where does it play again anyways?

[split gate]

That track is so goated

[split gate]

The final boss

[frail bloom]

I really want to hear it I wanna hear what a honed in, experienced, epic tda track sounds like beyond smt like infernal chasm or Into the Void

[foggy breach]

Oh with Azhrak + The Witch?

[split gate]

The second phase of it, the first plays Between Hex and Flame

Hence the name

[uneven dragon]

the final azhrak fight (when it's just him and the witch is dead)

it's pretty good but not a standout i feel

[frail bloom]

Ye me personally I'm not a fan on any boss trackz besides From the Ashes, Komodo Theme and Divine Retribution

[split gate]

Apotheosis captures that rage inducing feeling 2016 had that Eternal lacked

[frail bloom]

It is aggressive

But for the final boss, eh

I would expect a smt more narratively impactful

It's alr tho I have From the Ashes

Banger.

[split gate]

I see the final fight as more of an epilogue, playing From the Ashes on the third phase in Chapter 21’s boss was stellar and shows FM knows how to tell the story through music

[silent surge]

story through music, the recurring slayer motif, yes
Its also in battle on the blackened tide

[fleet spruce]

Uhhhhh, Hellspawn Rift?

[split gate]

Yooo the goat is here

[silent surge]

baaa

[split gate]

Yeah a recurring motif was something I did not expect but it was welcomed

[silent surge]

thats a sheep. but itll do

[silent surge]

i like how its a journey through the music

appreciate the kind words

[mystic barn]

Damn shame that the OST arrangement of Apotheosis lacks that riff

[lusty oracle]

is "berserker" trophy stil bugged on ps5

[split gate]

Yeah the one that pops up as soon as the Developer Direct started?

[split gate]

There was an update recently about it days ago apparently

[lusty oracle]

ill check

[split gate]

Battle at the Blackened Tide, From the Ashes, I could hear that particular section of it throughout the two

[lusty oracle]

it worked thx dawg

[split gate]

Noice

[merry sapphire]

this game is buggy as hell

whats with doom games and frames randomly dropping after reloading a level

happened with doom eternal and now with dark ages

[fleet spruce]

never had that issue and I'm playing on a handheld PC of all things

[brave leaf]

Belly of the beast is definitely the most difficult level yet

[lunar spire]

It may be a number of things. Are you on console or PC?

[simple cedar]

Is the infinite ammo thing like a lore thing or just gameplay?

Yknow like doomguy churns thru actual hordes of demons n shit, he never runs outta ammo

Is just a suspension of disbelief or does he actually make demons shit out bullets

[split gate]

As far as I’m aware, according to the Slayer’s Testaments, he only grows in strength from fallen foes, which ties in to glory kills. I believe he just tries to find ammunition if he comes across them

It is just gameplay loop

[mystic barn]

That’s the one!

[split gate]

Yeah I can’t lie, the ost can be a bit lacking but I also understand it could be because of constraints.

There’s a bunch of goodies within the game I wish made it officially, there’s this one part in Into the Void that has this chug that makes you just move your head back and forth

[fleet spruce]

That's always the case with official release of the soundtracks, people who mix these are godsend in bringing these closer to their full power

[mystic barn]

The riffs cut from Steel Beyond the Grave will always be heartbreaking

[split gate]

Steel Beyond the Grave and Hell Spawn Rift has so much stuff I wish was added 😭

[delicate grotto]

I’ve actually never listened to the gamerip version of that track. Gotta go check it out now. This OST tends to cut some of the best parts out of its official mixes for some reason.

[mystic barn]

Seems as though the contract only allotted 135 minutes. If I had it my way, it'd be 155 minutes, but that's neither here nor there

[scenic hill]

Y'all I finally beat pandemonium and I'm mentally broken but it was worth

waking up tomorrow and doing ultra nightmare cuz im a masochist

[split gate]

This is the way

I wish you all the best luck

You will become giga chad afterwards

[scenic hill]

I better bro 🙏

[split gate]

Expect lots of failure, and expect lots of progress from your losses

[scenic hill]

oh definitely I learned a crap ton from pandemonium

js hope i dont break ma controller😭

[grand monolith]

thx bro

[merry sapphire]

pc

[grand monolith]

also can an rtx 3050 run this game

[fleet spruce]

technically speaking yes

although image quality will be noticeably lower as well as RTGI being disabled resulting in some areas being really dark

and you need to jump through several hoops too

[stray pollen]

Into The Void is my solid favorite but hot damn Hellspawn Rift is a damn good track

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/3kg3lqc6dkQ

[graceful lion]

"erm you see, this is why doom tda suckcekcde, there are like 20 glory kills, and eternal (the good game) has 297"

[remote thunder]

more unskippable cutscenes = more gooder

[meager vortex]

just video

[harsh egret]

he's making a joke

[stray hemlock]

"I DON'T WANNA HEAR IT! WE PUNCH OR BASH THEM WITH A SHIELD THEN MOVE ON RAAAGHHHHHHH"

[frank turtle]

[split gate]

“It’s new and different, therefore it’s bad” ahh opinion

[shell gull]

np

[shell gull]

yes ive got an RTX 3050 with 6 gb, i3-12100f and 16gb DDR5 ram and can run the game around 60 fps with DLSS balenced

but for some areas like the shield bash tutorial it can drop to like 45

for some reason tho i gotta disable and renable DLSS every time i enter a lvl so if ur FPS is bad try that

[gloomy ridge]

I have aRTX 4070 with a ryzen 9 7954hx and 32 gigs DDR5 ram

I get around 240 fps normally

[fleet spruce]

Z1 Extreme and 24 GB ram here

[hasty stone]

Patch today?

[torn veldt]

1 this is just a flex towards him
2 you have a 4070 mobile (can tell its a laptop because the CPU is for laptops and ur banner is legion) so realistically you have the performance of a rtx 3060 (a bit lower). For you to get 240fps you must be using some heavy dlss preset with lower graphics settings or/and frame generation. Also found the model of your laptop, your refresh rate is 240hz of your monitor.

[torn veldt]

You miiiight be hitting your VRAM limit. Are you using dlss balanced with a 1080p native display or 1440p native?

[shell gull]

1080p

[torn veldt]

If you want use msi afterburner to watch in real time your vram usage.

[shell gull]

is overclocking bad?

like could it harm my hardware?

[torn veldt]

Yes and no. Usually its a good thing but you're using a laptop for gaming. I used to use a gaming laptop not too long ago and that thing thermal throttled

[torn veldt]

Technically yes realistically it will shut itself off to prevent damage

[graceful lion]

i dont think its a good idea to overclock a laptop

they are already crammed as is

[torn veldt]

Yes, dont, primarily cause thermal throttling will kill performance

[graceful lion]

you can try using windows debloating tools for an extra few frames

[graceful lion]

anbd maybe your hardware

[torn veldt]

Maybe if they remove the stupid denuvo the game will decide to run faster

[graceful lion]

theres a difference between anti tamper and anticheat

[shell gull]

y is denuvo in the game?

[graceful lion]

anti tamper is what exists, and its for piracy reasons

[shell gull]

oh

[graceful lion]

it should hardly have an effect on your hardware

[shell gull]

it runs fine with DLSS balenced but i just needa renable it so much

[torn veldt]

Very unlikely ive had my cpu on my old gaming laptop hit 117C before shutting down. Modern hardware knows how to protect itself. The processor alone has 3 protections in place

[shell gull]

since my monitor is only 1080p and 60 hz

[graceful lion]

thas good

[torn veldt]

Oh you're good then if you manage to hit most of the time 60fps

[shell gull]

yeah but for lvls like siege it obv drops down to like high 40's to 50's

[torn veldt]

What are your graphics settings?

[shell gull]

ik most of the stuff is on low with texture pool size at min

texture filtering quality is on ultra

geo quality on med

shading quality on med

directional occulsion on high

everything else is low

[torn veldt]

Geo quality also uses quite a bit more vram jsyk

[shell gull]

and decal quality is high

so turn that down?

[torn veldt]

I meann, for now i personally would just play and keep an eye on vram

And see if it gets filled up

But if u want yes, lower them to the min and see how it goes

[shell gull]

as long as i get 60 fps 90% of the time then im happy

[gloomy ridge]

True but its actually comparable to a 3090

And yea it is 240hz

I use the nvidia app preset to get 240 fps

Also the laptop i bought isnt for sale anymore

I think they dont make it anymore

Not sure but i believe you cant buy it anymore

[grand monolith]

i dont have the game but im sure everything u said is exactly the same as my pc

[shell gull]

for how good the game looks its pretty optimised icl

too bad abt the forced RT

[grand monolith]

u got any screenshots?

[shell gull]

i dont got image perms

[grand monolith]

im honestly still waiting for a price drop (come on bethesda), i still think the price is too high for one campaign and nothing else

[grand monolith]

send from dms or smth

[silver flame]

its nicely optimized in modern times i think despite rtx

[shell gull]

ill send u some SS of the opening lvl

so to avoid spoilers

[grand monolith]

thx

[torn veldt]

My desktop 5070 has the performance of a 3090, you have a 4070 mobile. In raw performance your 4070 mobile has the performance of a 3060, and realistically its lower by 14% and closer to a 2060, go look up the charts on TechPoweUp

[shell gull]

u care abt weapon spoilers?

[grand monolith]

nah trailers spoiled me enough, go on send some pics

[fleet spruce]

You don't need em, watch this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717363111308427309/1386256916480655390/DOOM_The_Dark_Ages_06_02_2025_21_12_02.jpg?ex=6870c6dc&is=686f755c&hm=d66ffd3c5b549e4aa4ae2495a999433f393455896a87cd3d4a32f602ea97f9b6&

[shell gull]

how

[silver flame]

MY EYES

THEY HAVE BEEN SPOILED

[fleet spruce]

lmao

[grand monolith]

ssg looks crazy good

[fleet spruce]

Basically you upload in another discord server elsewhere, then copy link and paste it there

[torn veldt]

Because its an older model

[grand monolith]

this is genius

[torn veldt]

So the nvidia app preset is enabling framegen for you with dlss scaling

[fleet spruce]

Yeah, design is so cool

[silver flame]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3521924237

ITS GAWWGGUUSSSS

[grand monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1293942427165524132/1392868457090908180/20230815142657_1.jpg?ex=68711956&is=686fc7d6&hm=d3c78dd8e51f9069fe49a272fc12829e11d1b25d10c45b5112b13ef19074f019&

it actually works @fleet spruce ur a fkn genius

[silver flame]

how you do it

lol

[grand monolith]

send the pic in a diff server copy the link and paste it here

[fleet spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717363111308427309/1392869033283551272/ASUS_ROG_Ally_X.jpg?ex=687119df&is=686fc85f&hm=7bc12ca7620715756dede1446aec9cc84260e144a3f136c168e21fd259636e34&

[delicate grotto]

Man does this game look 10x better on PC.

[fleet spruce]

This is what i game on lmao

[silver flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/208822523792457728/1392868257526059018/20250619114954_1.jpg?ex=68711926&is=686fc7a6&hm=0bf208afea62a635ca2703337102d98e4674eb046a5347cdac34f3c02e3f90c3&

nvm i found out the power muhahaha

image is alot bigger when you actually click on it

is one of my favorite levels in the game

[fleet spruce]

And im running on low 720p with upscaling

props to art team

[delicate grotto]

Wild. Console versions are pretty shitty looking in comparison ngl. Still a good looking game, and I’ll always take performance over visual quality, but damn.

[silver flame]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/208822523792457728/1392869875017318505/20250618222159_1.jpg?ex=68711aa8&is=686fc928&hm=33275523f4b6e2c1a05aa29f2b0fdcf4b8610608a1014ac12d843b24818c7371&=&format=webp&width=1338&height=752

NADOS

NADOS everywhere

[fleet spruce]

yeah true, in my case it usually hovers around 40 fps, on levels like siege it's 30 most of the time , also final mech section is like slightly below 30 fps but not unplayable. Z1 Extreme got like 4 RT cores lmao?

[delicate grotto]

Shit that’s crazy for a handheld. I would think at least. Not super knowledgeable on this stuff but that sounds pretty impressive. Decent performance all things considered, especially for the high visual quality you receive.

[knotty kite]

Hi

[fleet spruce]

Precisely, for a device this small the results are amazing. Think of it like a bit less powerful Xbox Series S that fits in a bag.

[fleet spruce]

welcome, enjoy your stay

[knotty kite]

I will I’m a big doom fanatic

I just got done doing ultra nightmare for doom the dark ages after several play through

[fleet spruce]

now play SIGIL

[knotty kite]

During the play through for the ultra nightmare I gave myself one shot per level of the ballistic force crossbow

When I got it

How’s y’all’s day been

[delicate grotto]

Sweet! Nice job dude.

[delicate grotto]

Mine just started

[silver flame]

yes play classic on nightmare with nightmare reflexes on

you will never want to play nightmare again cause after i beat 3 episodes of doom 1 on it i retired

how zero master no lifes like every doom is insane to me

[delicate grotto]

Classic Doom on Nightmare is insane.

[silver flame]

makes nightmare look like its not bs whatsoever

[knotty kite]

I’ve beaten classic doom on nightmare

[delicate grotto]

Never completed any of the classic games or Wads on it.

[knotty kite]

It took me a long time

[delicate grotto]

Kudos to you. I tried it out for a couple levels and I was not having fun lol

[knotty kite]

Doom 2 I’m going to complete through doom eternal

[silver flame]

yeah and it takes zero master 30 mins like let that sink in lol

like hes insane XD

[knotty kite]

Hahahahaaaha

I also checked like different ways to beat the icon of sin and there was this no clip thing and I turned it off went in there I was confused

[silver flame]

theres like 3 tricks i know real way no clip and glitch

[warped wraith]

I may be lost

[silver flame]

i am always lost

[knotty kite]

On what

[warped wraith]

This is not mf doom

I am infact lost🥶

[harsh egret]

bruh wot

[silver flame]

im lookin for mf doom

[grand monolith]

blud thought this was a marvel server or smth

[silver flame]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-mf-gif-25423159

[warped wraith]

no that’s Dr.Doom I am looking for that guy above me

[silver flame]

love dr doom

and mf doom

[delicate grotto]

Yeah you ain’t in the right server, lol.

[warped wraith]

I might have joined just to make this joke

I’m leaving the server before I get burned at the stake lmao

[knotty kite]

There’s a person in the hatsune miku chat named archvile

[silver flame]

thats basaed

[hard thistle]

i started an ultra nightmare run and i turned the game speed all the way up but now it says "m*" next to it does thar mean i won't get the trophy bc i midfied the settings?

[silver flame]

possibly

[hard thistle]

That's not helpful...

[lunar spire]

You will still get your reward

On my UN run I turned down the damage dealt down to 75% because the impaler felt so unfair

Still got the gold skin

[hard thistle]

Thank you for letting me know! now i don't have to waste my time lol

[lunar spire]

Of course! That would be a looooot of time to waste

[frail bloom]

Hugo stream today

[lunar spire]

Sadge. I must study

Gotta pass this certification exam

[frail bloom]

Dw I'll write down the notes

You go do work

That didn't work

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1392892114479878295/2025052420585527.png?ex=68712f5e&is=686fddde&hm=15fdcef77c52358a3776be6e7f9f7a7072a5e6f6393121d66403c6d347c529e2&

YES!

I have figured out how to send images

Have fun looking at this Imp Stalker

[delicate sparrow]

Where

[frail bloom]

Youtube and twitch at 6:00 pm

[silver flame]

he smiling

[harsh egret]

[lunar spire]

Doing the slayer's work

[heavy flax]

I just realized something. In doom eternal, king novik tells the slayer he can’t kill the hell priests because it would violate their laws of killing someone of sentinel blood. But in doom the dark ages he seems just fine with the slayer killing the sentinel cultists and he tells the slayer that they’re traitors. What’s up with that?

[lunar spire]

they are no longer considered sentinel blood

and they are argenta people, not sentinel blood.

in addition, if a sentinel betrays their people, they are considered a traitor and an exile, therefore they are no longer on the list of protection by the law. The hell priests are following the will of the makyrs in eternal, and still following the laws in place. novik still had loyalty to them by law, and being king, he cannot break those oaths. the slayer has no such boundary since all of his sentinel brothers are dead

that and he does not take betrayal very well lol

[grim cloud]

novik sounds weak if thats the case. He should of curbed stomped the priests when he had the chance.

[lunar spire]

I agree that they could have written that part better.

I don't think Novik is weak, I think he adheres to the rules too tightly.

He is also the only man the slayer respects, so that goes to show he is no pushover, and i imagine they probably killed him in the invasion of the sentinels and the slayer into hell

novik is a warrior king, he has always followed his people into battle, which is why he has reigned as monarch as long as he has. he was likely dead before he even knew what was going on with the hell priests

we have yet to see for sure

[hard thistle]

We know he lived long enough to learn of the Deag's betrayal thanks to the Eternal Codex. Last we see of him he was fleeing with a small cabal of other Sentinels.

[lunar spire]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that entry

[grim cloud]

adhering to the rules of law when the other sides doesn't = evil wins. but that isn't any of my business

[lunar spire]

I don't disagree

But we are missing a lot of context

so much context about how that all went down

[hard thistle]

It's likely that the Deag are considered unlawful to kill because they specifically are an ascended class in Argent D'Nur, not because they have Sentinel blood.

The Deag are a religious order of great authority and reputation in Argent D'Nur.

[graceful lion]

so theres priests and then theres deags

which are like popes ig

[lunar spire]

yeah, thats what i was very poorly trying to get at. multitasking ftw lol. also trying to get my words straight in the middle of typing it teehee

[hard thistle]

The Cultists in TDA are just cultists, not special priests or anything.

[graceful lion]

yeah yeah

[lunar spire]

though they also don't adhere to their own laws, as seen in the codex entries about deag loric (I think that is who it was) marrying a commoner

[graceful lion]

well, you are talking to the guy who knows the most about doom lore in the server, i guess except for the writers

[lunar spire]

Self proclaimed, yes

[graceful lion]

yeah, but he does also have a 285 page google doc to back it up

all from the games or sometimes dev statements, as long as they dont contradict the lore

[lunar spire]

I got that shit up in the chrome dome, though definitely not that much worth

[hard thistle]

Well, the document is outdated as of now.

[graceful lion]

wqell, the one publicly available

[lunar spire]

I'll have to check it out, see if there's some bits I missed

[graceful lion]

which is only like 200 ish pages (yes, tda adds like 80)

[lunar spire]

as it should

very lore heavy game

[graceful lion]

well, tda doesnt add eighty, but mono added some bullet points and shit, fast facts

removed and edited some info that was previously unknown or we didnt know about

[lunar spire]

Not discounting that the guy doesn't know his stuff, but he isn't the only lore junkie :P

I'm just a lil dumb sometimes is all :)

[graceful lion]

ik ik

[lunar spire]

I gotta have my forgetti with my spaghetti every once in a while

welp, back to studying I go. Gonna read that document a lil bit while on my break

[silent surge]

When I was, a YoungGuy,
My father, took me onto the PC,
To see an angry man,

He said, "Son when, you grow up,
Would you be, the slayer of the Maykrs,
The demons, and the DOOMed?"

He said, "Will you defeat them?
The demons, and all the Khan’s believers,
The plans that they have made?"

"Because one day, I'll leave you, a streamer,
To lead you in the live show,
In “Hugo’s DOOM parade"…

What's the worst that I can slay?
Rip and tear into the fray,
So long, Slayer, fight!
So long, Stand and Fight!

(Lyrics originally by Gerard Slay)

Hugo stream tonight let’s goooooo

[frail bloom]

Wut

Is this

[silent surge]

you didn’t grow up in the mid 2000s did you

[frail bloom]

Nope

It's alr gramps it sounds like a bop

[silent surge]

this song was a meme before memes https://youtu.be/RRKJiM9Njr8?si=jTf1gCuhCgGIJvwz

[vale oyster]

banger

[silent surge]

and other stuff by them. back 20 years ago

[halcyon idol]

doom stache

[supple oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orjv8Ys_wq0

[frail bloom]

This vid must have been posted like 4 times already

[supple oracle]

Good it 5 times now LOL

[frail bloom]

Lmao ye

[lunar spire]

@hard thistle Ok I do have one question for you. Who do you think the xyvorian conclave are?

TDA is the first we've heard of them afaik, but I have a couple theories

[hard thistle]

Probably a barbarian sect, like the Ironclad Tribes, IMO.

[lunar spire]

That is a fair stance on it. I am on the fence as to whether or not its going to be a tie in for the strogg or if they're an alien race attacking. They don't have a name that fits in with argenta dialect imo. plus it mentions that they performed aerial bombardments so they were no slouches technologically

I'm hoping we get more context in TDA dlc

pretty much no way to know for sure until we get more

[shell gull]

is there a hugo stream today?

[whole trellis]

@hard thistle Sorry to ping you about this but is there any chance i could get the lore document about the doomslayer?

[hard thistle]

The Doom lore guide is pinned in #general, though keep in mind it has not yet been updated with TDA info.

[whole trellis]

ah thanks alot

[silent surge]

yes yes

[shell gull]

btw is argent dnur just earth cause multiple characters in dark ages call people from argent dnur humans

[frail bloom]

No

[graceful lion]

people from argent dnur are really close to humans

[frail bloom]

Most likely, the people of Argent D'nur migrated to a different planet which is now called earth

[shell gull]

like viltrumies from invincible?

like a diff race but just look like humans?

[graceful lion]

ig so yeah

humans™

[frail bloom]

You can see sentinel engravings on bells in hell on earth so they most likely migrated

[shell gull]

damn thats cool

doom lore goes crazy

[lunar spire]

They are humans

They are gifted with wraith magic which allowed technological advancements and strength improvements, as well as genetic tampering

But they are still very much humans from my understanding of it

pweddy kewl if you ask me

[hard thistle]

Nah, the Sentinels are humans. It's just they're humans from the past, before they came here.

The Sentinels colonized tons of planets. Earth is one of them. In Doom lore we are Sentinels, it's just been so long that we forgot about it.

[shell gull]

yeah i was a bit confused on that since i was thinking that since earths history like ours would have played out stuff like cavemen and other parts of history

damn so doom guy is technically a sentinal

biologically

so alot of sentinels still stayed on argent dnur

[graceful lion]

well, it seems all humans are sentinels

[shell gull]

and thats dark ages

[graceful lion]

doomguy isnt jus a special one and done ig, because he was born

[shell gull]

so is doom guys orginal earth from the og games made up of sentinals

or is it the earth shown in eternal?

[graceful lion]

nope, classic earth and eternal earth are different

iirc m0no said classic earth is basically fucked

[lunar spire]

mhmm

[shell gull]

so doomguy is a human like us its just that humans from his OG verse and argent dnur are the same biologically

its just that instead of earth humans orginated on argent dnur

in the modern universe

[frail bloom]

@mystic barn should I sub and make it 667 or leave it as 666

Genuine question

[frail bloom]

I saw cthulhu

Then it was gone

[vast hull]

Just beat Kreed Maykr yo

[vale oyster]

more like Kreed Fakyr smfh

[fleet spruce]

real

[delicate sparrow]

Mars doesnt seems to have been colonized by the folks from argent dnur in doom guys original timeline,otherwise they would have found stuff buried.

[shell gull]

oh yeah i forgot abt that

then again after the hebeth mission in dark ages is that the event that causes it to be in ruin

as seen in eternal

[delicate sparrow]

Yes its the same "current timeline" after 64

Just in the past

I dont think its explained how humans came to be its implied they are from argent dnur

[harsh egret]

@frail bloom ill also tune in later prob, @ me if he announces anything new meanwhile

[sleek ermine]

I got the game earlier

Can’t play it though

[frail bloom]

Alr I can't watch the stream on time, I might come back in 8:00 pm in my country so I won't have notes ready till like 10:30 pm

[delicate sparrow]

What time cest?

The stream i mean

[fervent summit]

hello guys i just got doom the dark ages today and i have a problem i have this bug splat how do i fix this

i have an amd cpu ryzen 7700x 8 core

[glad garnet]

idk im on xbox

[fervent summit]

i also have an rtx 3060

[harsh egret]

if anyone is watching the stream @ me if anything of notice is being said by Hugo

[silver flame]

we need enemy multiplier like serious sam

[silver flame]

does it bug splat on startup

[fervent summit]

yes

[silver flame]

damn

[fervent summit]

i just bought the game today

how do i fix it since i have an amd

[silver flame]

i was about to say try runnin it all on low

[fervent summit]

no yt vids help

[fervent summit]

oh

how do i do that

[silver flame]

well idk now cause it crashes on startup XD

[fervent summit]

it shows it agaiin

[silver flame]

i guess i should start with the stupid question are drivers updated

[fervent summit]

it never showed me an update today

[silver flame]

that is strange though i figured it atleast run

[fervent summit]

i have specs that could run it

[silver flame]

id imagine theres a crash report file somewhere you could send to someone in here if they understand or possibly to some kinda help support from id/bethesda

[fervent summit]

ok thanks

[vital rapids]

Cmon stream

[solar relic]

Yoo, did anyone have issues redeeming the verdant skin? I can't get it to appear on the app

[graceful lion]

u need an nvidia gpu

atleast 10 series or higher

[harsh egret]

was anything important said yet btw

just opened rn

(as in upcoming update stuff or etc)

[vital rapids]

They're talking about balance in a general sense atm. I changed stream and missed a bit though

[frank turtle]

nah that thumbnail is so funny

[harsh egret]

LOL

[frank turtle]

LOL THE NEO THUMBAIL

[harsh egret]

so good lmao

Neo Martin

we need that as an emote now here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1392997078627651697/image.png?ex=68719120&is=68703fa0&hm=b76184677b44152c2f83ddc467eb5cf4aaf40fda3466283175ca72ec5e6ed4f3&

[solar relic]

Ah okay

[harsh egret]

if any mods here, add that as an emote

just his head with the glasses

[hollow sandal]

Mods pleewaaase 😭

[harsh egret]

lmao

[harsh egret]

i cant

[frank turtle]

more game saves would be great

[old magnet]

I just saved this. absolute cinema

[scenic lichen]

hey yall anything notable from hugo's stream?

[sonic turret]

I totally forgot about Hugo's stream, I'm catching up now.

[merry pumice]

made it to abyssal forest on my 110% speed low parry min resources UN run

[harsh egret]

I only got to watch the first half of it earlier but he said that impaler balance stuff and weapon switching while parrying is coming

[scenic lichen]

YAY

[delicate wagon]

Yo

[dreamy kiln]

Yo

[delicate wagon]

Help me in general

[zealous canopy]

help

[delicate wagon]

The girl traumatized me and the other dude

[zealous canopy]

pls help

[prisma dawn]

wowwwwww

Rude >:(

[lunar spire]

What's the impaler balancing?

[frail bloom]

@wheat sigil
Just so you know, blocking while switching has been fixed and will be implemented at some point

A little peek into the notes I'm writing

Not as extensive as last week but there is some good stuff

[frail bloom]

Oh boi

Some juicy info comin in

Sticky hellknight

[barren warren]

sticky???

[frail bloom]

It's nothing

There was a hell knight stuck on the ceiling

Nothin' much

[barren warren]

boo, now i want sticky hellknight variants

whose attacks slow you down and disable jump

funny purple goo

[frail bloom]

Once I finish this stream I will drop some cool info

Regarding balancing

[frail bloom]

Man I might not finish it

I got a lot of good info

[lunar spire]

counterpoint: wall crawling hell knights that assault you from the ceiling

now you always have to be on guard >:)

[merry pumice]

is it controversial to say the gauntlet is way better than the dreadmace

will i get cancelled

[lunar spire]

no, they're kinda different use cases

[merry pumice]

not really tbh

[lunar spire]

how are you using dreadmace

[frail bloom]

Bruh I wanna share my info so bad

But I must wait

[lunar spire]

ping me when you share it pls <3

[merry pumice]

they’re both excellent against high health targets, but one is a big dumb caveman big damage button that slows you down a ton and has a shit ton of startup, the other can constantly be refilled, intelligently used to shock and weave in combos that do more damage than some guns lol

[frail bloom]

Man this might cause some excitement

[merry pumice]

the only saving grace of the dreadmace is that the ground fissure ammo charge tech makes it spamable

[lunar spire]

use cycler to shock, dreadmace for even bigger dps with ground fissure

[merry pumice]

but if you don’t use fissure / don’t do that exploit then eh

[merry pumice]

i’ve tried this but the thing is using gauntlet to shock is more rewarding because it’s more damage and starts a combo

any demon worth shocking as an opener is one worth gauntlet combo ing

i’m gonna melee them anyways

[lunar spire]

Its more total damage yeah, but burst damage and total damage are two very different things. I look at it like I used to look at destiny 2 DPS rotations.

[merry pumice]

and you genuinely get more lifetime excess damage output with smart well timed and constantly recharging gauntlets than you do with mace

[lunar spire]

If you use, lets say, a shotgun that does really silly close up one shot DPS, that's really good for knocking a super high health target off the field

Now, if you use something that has more total damage but a lower burst damage, yeah it not only has more utility, but more total damage as I said. They're both for specific use cases.

[merry pumice]

So basically my case is this: add up all the damage you do from the combo hits 1-4, the extra damage that shock adds, and the added utility of a hard falter along with the fact that you will virtually never run out of gauntlets and i think it beats out the occasional big damage caveman button

except against enhanced azrak

[lunar spire]

for sake of the argument:
Legend of Acrius

Izanagi's burden/autoloading sniper(or whatever is good atm)/bait and switch heavy weapon

if you know anything about destiny, the two loadout cases will make sense in terms of the argument

[merry pumice]

But the gauntlet is better for the solo fight against azrak in reckoning because you can perma stunlock him lol

[delicate grotto]

Not here to shit on the OST, I think it’s good for what it is, but I just recently listened to David Levy’s interpretation of TDA’s sound- man does it hit. I miss that indistrial/synth heavy sound NuDoom’s music was often associated with. I think that’s mainly what was missing from this game’s OST, despite it having some of my favorite tracks amongst all 3 games.

[merry pumice]

because for whatever reason he falters to the second hit not the third

but only in the final fight. weird b

[frail bloom]

I think it fits in certain levels

Maybe a mech level or sentinel command

But overuse it and it gets too much

Like some of the tda ost already

[lunar spire]

I agree that the gauntlet is good for what it does, but the dreadmace fits into a specific playstyle that utilizes it very effectively. Take an impaler ground fissure combo for instance, or a cycler and impaler swap

I rarely ever used my melee anyway because using the shield and impaler kinda trivializes most encounters anyway, but the big bonk stick is really good with it

[merry pumice]

the salvage impaler needs some kind of nerf

[lunar spire]

Its getting one

[merry pumice]

but i have no idea what it would be

maybe less damage but like

[lunar spire]

I think the damage is fine, but the use case of the salvage needs to be shifted to be less frequent

Needs an internal timer

[merry pumice]

i don’t think the damage is the problem. the problem is it does too much. whizz falter, piercing, insane headshot multiplier, easy empowerment. one needs to go i think

[merry pumice]

yes i would support a kind of hard delay before you could re-empower it. like a second or 2

[marsh pivot]

the thing is like samir said the NU-DOOM synth stuff doesnt fit the vibe of dark ages

[merry pumice]

you can literally miss with the fucking impaler and you’ll still be rewarded bruh

why on earth is there a whizz effect

[frail bloom]

Here's the thing, I'm not against it, but you just can't have an entire ost like that

[lunar spire]

As a long time metal fan, I agree. The dark vibes of the soundtracks was designed for the game and it fits the dark and eerie feel of the game itself. It should not be synth heavy like eternal. Different game, different mood.

[frail bloom]

I think a good balance is some industrial tracks, some thrash, some orchestral

[marsh pivot]

dark ages is the trash metal genre of doom more newer thrash but yes

[lunar spire]

^

[frail bloom]

Nothing is perfect y'know

[lunar spire]

But man did they do good

[frail bloom]

They did

[marsh pivot]

exactly tbh there is some stinkers in doom eternal as well

[frail bloom]

But there's always room for improvement

[marsh pivot]

its not like its a 10/10 ost either

[lunar spire]

It isn't supposed to copy mick gordon like everyone wants it to, it is supposed to be their creation.

[frail bloom]

Hopefully dlc scratches that itch

[frail bloom]

oh yeah

Urdak heavy fighting

[lunar spire]

Cultist base is hella mid imo

[frail bloom]

Like just ew

[marsh pivot]

yes omg i hated the cultist base

[frail bloom]

Well this is not my opinion

I personally dislike Metal Hell heavy combat

[marsh pivot]

the wierd synth ya ya ya thing he does on their gets on my nervesd

[lunar spire]

The one thing I do wish they did was do more of what they said they were shooting for, which was more of thall metal. Humanity's Last Breath kinda stuff.

if you want a banger soundtrack, go listen to some of their instrumentals and tell me that wouldn't go so insanely hard in doom TDA

[frail bloom]

I think moving forward, some more orchestral stuff should be implemented the ost

Maybe a synthy orchestral track with no guitar heavy combat, for that variety

[marsh pivot]

even flesh god apcolyse type stuff would work great as well i think

[frail bloom]

A female choir or more tagelharpa usage or way more violin

It is there btw

Some of it isn't in the official ost

It's there in youtube mixes tho

Thank god for the mixers

[lunar spire]

I agree, but go listen to Beware instrumental by HLB

[marsh pivot]

ill check it out for sure

[lunar spire]

It is exactly what I would have wanted as the vibe for a thall metal soundtrack like FM said they were going for

Imagine it when fighting the Old One, would have made that fight so insanely epic

[frail bloom]

For sure

Hopefully they take constructive feedback out of the sea of insults

It must be hard trying to improve for them

[lunar spire]

I also hope they listen to the constructive feedback of the fans

and not just the haters

[frail bloom]

Alex did for me at least

Idk what that means going forward but hopefully some improvements

[lunar spire]

?

[merry sapphire]

popped in to tell you i fixed the issue, turns out swapping the dlss to the latest messes with it. resetting it back to default fixed it for me

[frail bloom]

He's one of the composers

[lunar spire]

lets gooooooooo

[frail bloom]

Alex Klingle

[lunar spire]

oh sick, you got to talk with him???

[frail bloom]

Well anyone can

He's here in the server, ping him abt ost questions or suggestions

[lunar spire]

woah

[frail bloom]

As long as you treat with respect

[lunar spire]

I have so many questions

[frail bloom]

Alr I trust you can handle it well

[lunar spire]

I've been doing metal vocals for over a decade, hearing him talk about his inspirations made me perk up lol

he was the one who mentioned HLB and other thall bands I think

[frail bloom]

Alr guys imma start typing up report of the week

[lunar spire]

Sick, I'm gonna go watch murder drones with my partner

[delicate grotto]

I agree with that, but there’s still a lack of distinctness when it comes to TDA’s less heavier tracks. The heavy combat was nailed but the ambient and light combat music was a miss imo.

[lunar spire]

What makes it feel like a miss to you? Like, with specifics

[lunar spire]

Is it the lack of two or more things sitting in different frequencies while exploring? Is it when just listening to the soundtrack isolated from playing the game?

[frail bloom]

Notes from the 6th stream:
•Melee and mace bugs will have tunables or will be patched(not elaborated on, most likely the mace ground fissure bug)
•emphasizing that they are working hard on supporting the game, will reveal a lot in quakecon
•Impaler will need some tweaks, specifically on how it breaks armor, other changes remain to be seen
•figured out how to solve blocking while switching, will be implemented soon
•whiplash shield throw bug will be fixed(not sure what)
•no slowdown feels great and polished
•Hugo likes and digs the idea of buffing the weapon swap speed after a successful parry, thinks it's cool(MY IDEA LETS GO)
•Hugo agrees and wants to implement a "new game" save slot
•unskippable sections do bother Hugo

@harsh egret
@rocky badger

[lunar spire]

oh snap. They didn't give it the nerf it needed. empowered shield charge still absolutely annihilates armor, and so does the mace

err, the mourning star

[halcyon idol]

doom stache

[lunar spire]

The whiplash shield throw bug is either that they don't have a hitbox when slithering away from you

[frail bloom]

Agreed

[lunar spire]

or that they just don't interact with it properly

[frail bloom]

In game there are some highlights but in the official ost you don't even get to hear them

Like the violin segments in Unholy siege if you know what I'm talking abt

[lunar spire]

I do

[frail bloom]

It's when they are in their normal stance but the shield throw doesn't register

[lunar spire]

and agree

OH THAT ONE

[uneven dragon]

aw i quite like it

[frail bloom]

I think Rust dust and guts did it better

Fair tho

[hollow sandal]

Thanks! Awesome stuff here

[uneven dragon]

tbh i disagree

[frail bloom]

Bound to happen

[uneven dragon]

i like rust dust and guts more, but the vibe of rust dust and guts doesn't fit nekravol

[frail bloom]

No not the vibe

[uneven dragon]

metal hell is HEAVIER it's more AGGRESSIVE

[frail bloom]

I was comparing them bc Metal Hell obviously is an homage to rust dust and guts

It just feels much more lukewarm to me which is weird

I felt rust dust and guts was super heavy

Maybe muh ears broke

[delicate grotto]

It doesn’t have much of a presence. There’s a few, like Forsaken Plain’s ambience and the Cosmic Realm’s that helps build the atmosphere of its environments, though most others just blend into the background with little distinguishable composition to set it apart from the rest.

[frail bloom]

Yup.

It's a shame

[lunar spire]

Okay yeah, I can totally get behind that argument.

[uneven dragon]

holy shit thank you for telling me about thronebreaker this fucking slams

[frail bloom]

It really does

Hopefully FM can improve on ambient and light combat going forward

Or at least implement the unique parts into the ost

That are missing.

[real gyro]

WRONG

ETERNAL AND 2016 ARE BOTH 10/10

TDA is like 6-7/10 soundtrack wise

[uneven dragon]

🍅 🍅 🍅 boooo

[frail bloom]

Alr alr I disagree but I ain't throwin tomatos

I think it's an 8

2016 is also 8 for me

Now eternal is an 8.5

[hollow sandal]

TDA for you is what?

[frail bloom]

8

[real gyro]

Nuclear bomb on his house

[frail bloom]

Whos house

[real gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-troll-face-troll-face-phonk-troll-face-terror-dark-gif-3039755119636354997

Those who know

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/gokuwallpaperdiscord-gif-2808474354607507770

[uneven dragon]

i think they are all 9/10 soundtracks

[frail bloom]

@warm ibex info from latest stream if you want it btw

[frail bloom]

The lack of variety brings it back, and how some tracks are missing. Tbf, eternal doesn't even have an ost lol but there is variety

And 2016 is an 8 cuz the dead air and some combat tracks just not hitting for me

[real gyro]

Ok but for real though TDA's soundtrack missed the mark for me because all the combat tracks felt generic, there was no unique flair put on them to match the setting like any medieval instruments or even choral chanting like all the previous scores, the only tracks that felt in place in the setting were the cutscene/ambient ones with the violins but even then it could/should have been better

[uneven dragon]

???? have you seen literally any behind the scenes vids on the ost ever

it's using medieval instruments in a LOT of the tracks

[fleet spruce]

drop Infernal Chasm on them, and Unholy Siege

[uneven dragon]

and it has chanting in it too??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VojuQCckhds

[frail bloom]

Well there's Unholy siege, has the violin and choir
Blood Red, which has bells and some orchestral choir elements
Unchained predator with horns
Infernal chasm with the melody being very orchestral and somber
When the Shadows first lentghened, should I explain myself
From the Ashes uses chanting, so does Battle on the Blackened Tide

I agree, there could be more, but they did try, and it was not generic[for the most part (;]

[warm ibex]

Thank you! They also revealed a merch concept, which I believe was designed by Ethan Evans. The art team has made tons of designs recently and they'd like to produce some of them as a part of what might be called the id Software Signature Series https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1393066462469423104/image.png?ex=6871d1be&is=6870803e&hm=4b883a94ebf5ebbf6ed618535591297bb4205e6831634391e2f32c07535a55ce&

[frail bloom]

I think what dilutes the ost are the ones that are kinda mediocre

And leads to opinions like this where they listened to 35 tracks

Like do we need Colussus Unleashed? Not really

[uneven dragon]

uh yeah we do colossus unleashed is fucking sick

[frail bloom]

Bruh

Idk what to say

Gimme Infernal chasm, Into the Void but better and sprinkle some more orchestral synth and some choir, make the ambient and light combat stand out and you have a perfect ost

And cut the fat I guess

Or what I perceive as fat

cough cough Colussus Unleashed cough cough

It will be no easy feat tho, interested on how they follow up

[uneven dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/699506065854824531/1393068355468001290/image.png?ex=6871d381&is=68708201&hm=08db489bb02161b8ba32516860fc1b15c745cdaefd4a226d1a6ccc3fe9625240&