the-dark-ages

[pine terrace]

D’awww

[supple oracle]

Wtf is going on

[pine terrace]

Bye bye

[vivid flicker]

Yeah.

[graceful lion]

not a f-furry 🤮

[hollow sandal]

This fuckin guy...

[harsh egret]

is this guy and the guy from a couple hrs ago the same guy lol

[shell gull]

shits down your throat

[stoic sleet]

Blox is being a dickhead

[graceful lion]

no

[supple oracle]

I think this the last time I say something in this chat LOL

[shell gull]

y does bro hate dark ages

[hollow sandal]

Lol let him stay around a bit lolol

[vivid flicker]

OH

[delicate grotto]

This guy can’t be for real. I really hope, for his sake. Lmao.

[harsh egret]

lmfao

[hollow sandal]

Give him a shit role

[shell gull]

btw eternal is not bad

[stoic sleet]

That was hilarious icl

[pine terrace]

Guys profile was “doomslayer”

[delicate grotto]

Definitely entertained me lmao

[harsh egret]

dw Saleem its usually not this bad at all

[pine terrace]

That tells me everything I need to know

[graceful lion]

doomslayer would be more rational

[supple oracle]

No respect is crazy

[harsh egret]

some randoms sometimes pop up and troll but yeah

[vital rapids]

👍

[stoic sleet]

Why even have a doomslayer pfp if u hate any doom game

[delicate grotto]

They’re that bored.

[vivid flicker]

We arent smart enough to understand

[pine terrace]

I wonder how these people feel when they learn some “furry” helped make MyHouse

[shell gull]

does anyone use the grenade launcher?

[harsh egret]

noo... cant be 🤯

[hollow sandal]

I honestly do not 😭 it's like the only weapon I don't use

[vital rapids]

It seems to be the internationally recognised signal for "I'm gonna be a weenie to other people"
The Slayer would NOT be proud

[harsh egret]

ppl be weird

[shell gull]

i wanna use the cycler but i just never find a reason to

[stoic sleet]

Why do ppl hate furries tho?

[vivid flicker]

I always use it bc i never have ammo

[wheat sigil]

lightning arches

[harsh egret]

all ill say is i dont care what ppl identify as

[shell gull]

cause their 12 and dont have their own opinion

[vital rapids]

I found it weirdly good vs the kreed maykr

[stoic sleet]

The cycler is a waste of accelerator ammo

[harsh egret]

to me it doesnt matter, u can be whatever

[vivid flicker]

Ill be a refrigerator from now on then

[shell gull]

is the pulviriser bad?

[hollow sandal]

My issue with the cycler is the charge is hard to build up. Pairing it with heaven splitter allows an easier charge and it rips fully charged.

[harsh egret]

nice, myself... im an airfryer

[wheat sigil]

literally just a few shots to get rhem in the lightning state😭

[vivid flicker]

I use it often so i dont think so

[hollow sandal]

No

[shell gull]

i see alot of people tearing into it

[supple oracle]

The Cycler has alot of utlity, combine it with combat shotgun It restack heaven

[vital rapids]

Pulverizer is a utility gun, primarily useful (in my opinion) for hitting lots of fodder. It has other uses, but that's the main one for me

[stoic sleet]

I dont use the pulveriser, its good but the ravager is better

[pine terrace]

Because in their eyes, anyone is different is wrong, and they’ll latch onto any negative trait and blanket group people under that trait

[hollow sandal]

Yea I just like the cycler for it's Max charge up shots

[vivid flicker]

Dont they both have their uses

[stoic sleet]

He probably watches youtube shorts

[harsh egret]

i dont get why hate anyone so long as it doesnt affect u at all

[stoic sleet]

Mightve been a subject of neglectful parents

[delicate grotto]

Cycler is one of the best weapons for all of the main Bosses imo

[harsh egret]

ive been using the accelerator more and it's been fun

[delicate grotto]

Mid-range, decent DPS, consistent.

[harsh egret]

but i love the cycler

[stoic sleet]

I again, prefer the accelerator

[delicate grotto]

Yeah I started to test out the Accelerator more after doing its mastery challenge. It’s got some good usage.

[delicate grotto]

Might agree with you there when I test it out against Bosses.

[stoic sleet]

Accelerator i think has highest or second highest dps, highest being pincushion shredder

[delicate grotto]

It’s the least useful weapon, second runner up is the Grenade Launcher.

[pine terrace]

People think hating things is a good personality trait are like that

[vital rapids]

Yeah - I normally pick accel as DPS is good, I switched to the cycler by accident and for some reason I was suddenly rocking his shit, so I went with it

[vivid flicker]

Ive seen some sort of shield dash tech how do you do that?

[frail bloom]

What did you think of that drawing btw Hato it was Kadingir Sanctum

I used steamwork shop and made the slayer sit down

[wheat sigil]

are you refering to the one that allows you to quick swap or the one where you'll be able to go flying?

[vivid flicker]

Flying

[vital rapids]

Anyone else been trying the Impaler Jump?

[delicate grotto]

People like to point fingers and judge. They want others to agree with them. It often stems from their own insecurities as a person, and they project it onto others as a way to feel better about themselves.

[delicate grotto]

Yeah it’s my go-to for Ahzrak

[hollow sandal]

Looks sick man

[wheat sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqUTfmimFZw

[harsh egret]

i liked it but it was a bit too dark i think

[vivid flicker]

That looks hard

Also DUBBLE JUMP??

[frail bloom]

Ye and the shading is off

[vivid flicker]

DOUBLE*

[harsh egret]

nvm i looked at it again yeah its pretty good but on my phone it was rly dark for some reason

[frail bloom]

Using 3d is pretty hard

[harsh egret]

aspiring 3d artist here 🖐️

[vivid flicker]

Ill try it

[frail bloom]

Do you use steam workshop?

[harsh egret]

nah

[frail bloom]

Oh man

It's all good

[wheat sigil]

no, coyote time

[vital rapids]

Haven't pulled off the "rocket jump with the impaler" yet.
I have asscrack+witch to beat atm, not gonna try it out in that fight

[vivid flicker]

The slayer learnt that technique from his bunny

[neat rune]

It is a little strange tho. Don't you think? Lol. Not as bad as grown ass men wearing diapers and sleeping in cribs

[hollow sandal]

Lemme just delete that lol

[shell gull]

i mean as long as they keep it to themselves then nobody should rlly care

as long as they dont annoy people in public or try to shove it in their face and r chill abt it

[neat rune]

Yeah def. It don't bother me. Shit they're probably way happier than me

[shell gull]

alot worse stuff to be into

[vital rapids]

Although by definition if you know about it they haven't kept it to themselves tbf

[wheat sigil]

i mean
dressing up is just fun

[vital rapids]

Mission failed

[shell gull]

i mean if there like "im a furry" in some random conversation then its chill

as long as they dont shove it down ur throat

[wheat sigil]

soooo.... like every single thing in life?

[stoic sleet]

Some people confuse furries with zoophiles

[neat rune]

Lol

Yeah. That's extreme lol

[wheat sigil]

i feel like "as long as they don't shove it down your throat" is brought up a lot specifically when relating to anything LGBTQ or similar, which i find odd since it just applies for everything
i don't mind if you're a minecraft fan, as long as you don't shove it down my throat, etc

[vital rapids]

This is why I avoid the conversation. I am skeptical about the distinction between the two, and would prefer not to get in fights

[shell gull]

people r usually to busy with their own lives to care if someone dresses up in a fox outfit

[stoic sleet]

Man this is such an interesting conversation about DOOM: The Dark Ages

[wheat sigil]

just say you're fine with it at that point, because the "without being annoying about it" clause goes without saying

[hollow sandal]

[delicate grotto]

I’m guilty of it. I went along with the crowd and used to judge furries, but I was also in middle school and had no opinions of my own. I’ve found they’re actually some of the nicest people. Community is full of skilled artists too.

[stoic sleet]

This was also me at some point

[wheat sigil]

yeah i mean i don't think anybody will judge you for whatever the hell you were up to in middle school lol

[delicate grotto]

Shouldn’t bother anyone for people being themselves. If it affects you somehow, you’re the problem and need to get over yourself.

[stoic sleet]

I used to be homophobic and shit aswell because of online im glad I matured

[neat rune]

Pretty sure we all cringe at our teenage years thoughts and actions lol

[stoic sleet]

All the teenagers in my country arenso judgemental

[delicate grotto]

Oh yes.

[shell gull]

is doom guy gonna be going after the high council i saw i video on what one of them look like (its the fat demon)

[latent willow]

• The only thing they is you kicks in *

[vital rapids]

I think the answer to this is yes. But we shall see

The only thing they ..... is ....

[neat rune]

Was doom 2016s multiplayer any good. I never got to play it. I even got the collectors edition at launch but still didn't play

[vital rapids]

Doom 3's multiplayer was surprisingly decent when you could get a game. Dunno about 2016

[latent willow]

If anything, i wish we go back ti the cosmic realm. It's such a unique setting for the doom universe. The sense of exposure and dread that follows me there, along with utter confusion of Kar'thuul marshes puzzles

[neat rune]

That revenant statue is dope

[latent willow]

I dig the cosmic realm so much

[neat rune]

The whole games dope. IDK how anyone can not like the maps.

Actually I guess I can. I didn't like 2016 level design

Something about it. IDK. Still fun tho

I only played a little bit of it tho around launch. Then I played dark ages. Then eternal and tried to go back to 2016. I just wasn't having it lol

I feel like I killed the chat. Sorry guys lol

[dreamy kiln]

Nah, you're good

[frail bloom]

No it happens a lot

You're good

Might not see activity for 30 min

To an hr

[neat rune]

Cool. Thanks. I felt like you guys were probably saying who is this guy and why is he talking so much 😂

[frail bloom]

You have seen nothing.

We yap here

A lot

[wheat sigil]

no i have never said anything
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1188393862968922132/1391094770918621277/image.png?ex=686aa576&is=686953f6&hm=1c6e66e322dcccede36588553cd82827e56c15cb27f2d0af6608df2c1534eeeb&

[stoic sleet]

Chat just… dies sometimes

Its like theres a gigantic conversation then everyone just stops

[frail bloom]

Yup

[neat rune]

Everyone must be playing

Pretty hyped for some new content

[harsh egret]

next month gonna be banger

[frail bloom]

For sure

[harsh egret]

i hope whatever the game brings, it can actually stick as my go-to side game

[neat rune]

Do you guys know anyone that got the dark ages gpu

[lime plinth]

wait new tda content?

[neat rune]

Yeah. There's dlc coming. I don't know what it will be tho

[graceful lion]

not confirmed

they cant make a dlc in a month, it will be bad

personally i think dlc will be next year

[latent willow]

Might get a little teaser during Quakecon?

Man i wish i could attend to Quakecon someday((

[lunar minnow]

Just played through the first level.

I feel tanky.

[latent willow]

I think it's got something to do with gravitational technology with a shieldsaw

[lunar minnow]

I'm not sure how I feel fully about Combat yet.

I haven't really gotten into it fully yet either, I think combat picks up when you hit the later part of the early game.

[latent willow]

Yes

[lunar minnow]

Hopefully I'll get into it.

I really want to love the Dark Ages.

[fleet spruce]

Sometime breaks are necessary, maybe try it with clear head?

[frail bloom]

Is it me, or when you bash the enemies don't fly?

I saw the direct and the enemies broke the destructible enviroment with their bodies

I think I might be forgetting smt

[neat rune]

Isn't it tho? Confirmed. Doesn't the deluxe edition come with future dlc.

[frail bloom]

No dlc is coming just not next month

Obv

[fleet spruce]

^

[neat rune]

I never said it was. Did I? I'll look lol

Oh. Someone did. Yeah.

[lunar minnow]

That's the hope yeah, that's why I'm taking a break right now.

I might head back into Eternal though.

[vital rapids]

Just went back to my original save and did the final battle with A&W, actually finishing the game for the first time after about 50h

[lunar minnow]

Wait, how'd you play dark ages at A&W?

Wait- I read that so wrong. 😭 💀

[vital rapids]

Azzcrack and Witch

[graceful lion]

oh i thought u were saying its coming soon

[lunar minnow]

😭

[frail bloom]

At most they announce the dlc

With like a 5 second teaser or smt

They might not at all

[neat rune]

Nope. Just excited 😆

[fleet spruce]

Like personally I adapted very quickly cause I play these kinda shooters all the time and immediately upon starting the game feedback from weapons and enemies let me knew that I'm in for something special, by the 2nd level it all clicked for me and most later levels just reinforced it further. I knew a what I was getting into and my expectations were obliterated just like when I played Eternal for the first time. That's just my 3 cents tho (sorry for wall of text).

[lunar minnow]

I have a hard time adapting to other titles in a franchise when I'm so used to previous installments like DOOM Eternal...

So it takes me a while to warm up to the new titles.

[fleet spruce]

Fair, just do at your own pace and get comfortable with the game

[frail bloom]

Soooooo since they finished that slo mo slider, it should be implemented soon right?

Or is it gonna be bundled with the quakecon update

Cuz I wanna get my hands on it

I wanna test it out

[lunar minnow]

Probably bundled.

Just easier for them to implement that way probably.

[frail bloom]

Ye and it will bring some players back too

Ig we have to wait

[vivid flicker]

What game is this about

[frail bloom]

Dark ages

[regal hill]

Not me downloading the entire soundtrack to my psp for shigs and tiggles

12%

so far

[fleet spruce]

PSP? Based

I still have mine

Changed quake theme to this on quake PSP port:
https://youtu.be/C-OF5bs2YLk

[latent willow]

Also is The Supershotgun from Eternal is the same one from Dark Ages but redone?

[frail bloom]

No it's a different one

It's completely made by the sentinels and maykers

I'm assuming the eternal ssg is the classic one but amplified

[latent willow]

But the classic one is full stock and eternal is pistol grip

[frail bloom]

Well I assumed

[latent willow]

Hmm, but i assume the grip can be modified

[frail bloom]

It might be redone

[latent willow]

Damn... Imagine Dark Ages SSG with Meathook on it

Oh damn i just realized that meathook design might be inspired by Reavershot, Slayer was like: what is i combine two guns, but instead of a ball, the chain would shoot a hook

[barren warren]

has hobo martin confirmed if the slomo slider will be a difficulty slider or a normal menu option?

[harsh egret]

he kept talking about it as a slider iirc

so i assume it will be a slider where u can choose the amount of slowmo u have

[naive wigeon]

there’s already a mod for dark ages ssg in eternal 🔥

[latent willow]

With reload animation?

[naive wigeon]

nah reload animation is still default

its just a model change currently

[rocky badger]

Did Hugo mention any nerfs or gameplay changes incoming? I missed his stream

100% Pandemonium complete. Just need to 100% the last mission on UN.

Impaler shot + shield throwing simultaneously with almost every shot is OP AF

Bonus challenge - I didn't use any BFC or Sigils (although I was forced to pick one up)

[serene cloud]

when are they fixing the trophy Berserker in ps5???

its the only one I need to have platinum

[frail bloom]

Ok here's the notes:
• Dlc for tda will not cram all story beats from between tda to 2016, this is because "they wouldn't be able to tell anymore stories of the doomslayer with the night sentinels; expect another "chapter or two" in the slayers story
•new ai is confirmed for dlc! Whether plural, singular we're not sure. But they are confirmed to add to and enrich the combat loop
• Hugo has said to be "playtesting some crazy stuff" and then shortly afterwards seems to be talking abt master levels, in which he says will allow the players to "express themselves" in creative explorative freedom.
• The team has finished the slo mo slider and its testing, when it is implemented we don't know
• The pinky bite has been re-animated and given a sound cue to give the player ample time to react, it will also be taken off the brink of death list
• Hugo is considering looking into blocking while switching your gun, he also goes on to say that the team will refine the "rough edges" of the shield.
• The Impaler will get adjustements and tweaks, especially its empowerment after a shield throw
• Acts 2 and 3 of Tda will be getting new layers of combat on arenas to add engagement for the player
• Some arenas have removed some amounts of stone imps due to their ridiculous spam
• Hugo is constantly reading new ideas from content creators and even regular users, He has expressed that people will be pleasantly surprised and will be getting what they asked for, this could include a rogue like Horde mode(speculation)!

[rocky badger]

Thanks! This certainly creates more questions than it answers

[frail bloom]

Ye what's on your mind?

[rocky badger]

What do you think he means that master levels will allow players to "express themselves"? Make it impossibly hard?

Impaler nerf 😭 . I finally mastered it's full potential.

Acts 2 and 3 just getting more enemies and becoming more difficult?

@frail bloom

[frail bloom]

I'm not sure abt the first one, but he's playtesting it, and really seems to like it, so I'm confident we'll like it. Hugo doesn't really like the word nerf he's just tweaking it in areas where it just simply does too much. I guess 2 and 3 will become more difficult but that's ok we can handle that

[vital rapids]

Nicely done 👍

[shell gull]

ive got a glitch where my fully upgraded flail dosent drop armour

its as if it aint upgraded at all

[frail bloom]

Side note: Josh can speak Japanese

Like he's a main character or smt

[rocky badger]

He's streaming every Thursday now?

[frail bloom]

Yup

At 6:00 pm

[rocky badger]

I've had so many weird glitches. One UN run the squidface guy became invincivle/unbeatable on level 21. Another attempt, I dropped into that level as the Slayer, not Atlan. Another attempt, my melee was completely disabled against the demon prince guy except at the scripted parts. It has been rough

[shell gull]

yeah hopefully it gets ironed out

had to reset the first old one mission on pandemonium cause my shield was just missing

it was at the part where ur abt to get the BFC

[latent willow]

Man some of the canceled designs for dark ages are so peak

[stoic sleet]

Almost lost my entire pandemonium run bcs i didnt see a nightmare imp and weapon switched

Im going to kill hugo

What the fuck

I have to fucking redo the forsaken plains

[latent willow]

What did you say about our primarch?

[stoic sleet]

Nothing

[vital rapids]

Nimps suck.

[stoic sleet]

Ok i dont give a fuck im doing that scummy leave before u die methos

[hollow sandal]

Bruh I wish we didn't have to restart the level upon spending a sigil on pandemonium

Eh fair enough

[fresh star]

I ran into a bug with the accelerator where it sometimes doesn't charge even though the weapon is fully upgraded. I also ran into another bug when I'm playing pandemonium after I complete Abyssal Forest it kicks me back to the main menu and when I select Ancestral Forge I end up playing Abyssal Forest again.

[sonic turret]

So when do you all suspect that the DLC will drop?

I'm expecting an announcement/reveal at QuakeCon, and the release of the last DLC TAG2 was the day after it was announced, and although I wouldn't expect that fast a turnaround, I'm guessing a fall release would be appropriate.

IconofSimp thinks it'll be within a year of the base game's release, but I don't think it'll be even half of that personally.

[delicate grotto]

I’d say late Fall by the earliest

[vernal star]

Gyro aim?

[neat rune]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

Like joycon is this on the switch

[sonic turret]

I'd say it'll be out by early fall. IconofSimp reckons there'll be just one long DLC this time around.

[inland beacon]

Finally got my hands on doom the dark ages

[vital rapids]

Not on Switch 2 yet

[vernal star]

PS5 can do gyro aim (not specific to this game)

[vital rapids]

Although Switch 2 has mouse so no need for gyro I guess

Ah OK, ps5 sorry

[vernal star]

Also gyro aim = mouse aim

So it's more preference whether or not you use one or the other

[vital rapids]

Oh I definitely disagree with that one. But each to their own. Gyro is certainly better than just sticks for me

I hope someone who plays on ps5 can tell us if tda does gyro aim

[vernal star]

Ive done enough 180°s, flicks, and perfect headshot recoil control locks to know that the difference is that of skill not of input difference

I've gotten account warnings for "cheating" on games that natively support it. Or in other words skill issue (halo announcer voice)

[vernal star]

I'm guessing it doesn't

Doom 2016, and doom eternal didn't have support despite being able to even on the PS4

[neat rune]

We need light gun games back. I guess it wouldn't work in tda cause the shield but just in general. IDK if you guys are old enough to remember those lmao

https://tenor.com/view/zipperer-the-simpsons-ahoy-fellow-school-chums-entrance-gif-16340759

[vernal star]

Go play house of the dead it was remade

[neat rune]

On switch? I'd like to grab a ps2 and get time crisis

[vernal star]

Features gyro aim natively so it feels very close to light gun style

And on PS5/4

[neat rune]

The switch gyro aim is ok

I feel like it gets messed up alot

Constantly hitting recenter

It's been a while since I even powered up the switch

[vernal star]

Also it's on the switch

[neat rune]

This might be against the rules here sorry if it is but have you guys seen that game coming out. Metal Eden ??

[vital rapids]

Operation Wolf and Duck Hunt 👌

Call of Juarez: Gunslinger is nice with gyro controls

[neat rune]

Yeah I played that one. Some of it anyways. Was cool

[vital rapids]

Looks interesting. Will soon want some FPS to pass the time till the DLC hits, if I exhaust Boltgun and Prodeus

[neat rune]

It does. If it's a reasonable price I'll pick it up. I want to play boltgun typer. Whatever it's called. I feel like I need that. I can't type

I type with 2 fingers. But I'm pretty fast with it lol

[stuck dove]

Random question (I'm not sure if I should ask this here) but are you allowed to use the DOOM TDA soundtrack for videos? I wanna make a fan-made trailer for the game, but I'm not sure if I can because of that

[sonic turret]

I though lt you could straight away, as long as you credit the owner? 🤔🤷

[sonic turret]

CoJ always looked cool, although I never did play it sadly.

[stuck dove]

I'm just wondering about the best way to do that, would linking the Finishing Move Inc. YT channel in the description be enough?

[sonic turret]

I guess so, but also make sure that they are the full owners of the rights and mot part owners with id, otherwise you'll need to credit id too.

I mean you could ask AI, I no longer have my channel, so il things might have changed.

My brother in law got penalised for having YouTube videos with someone else's music on.

[stuck dove]

I'll try figuring it out, I really do think it could turn out good

[tall nymph]

anyone know if there's a way to escape the no shield glitch after dismounting serrat?

[frail bloom]

Idk abt that. I'd say late spring or summer

It took them 6 months for an undercooked dlc

[sonic turret]

Spring 2026?

[frail bloom]

Yes.

That's 1/4 of the development time of tda

Makes sense since I expect like 6 or 7 levels

[sonic turret]

I mean I'll have moved on from TDA by that time, but sure.

[frail bloom]

Master levels, maybe a horde mode

[sonic turret]

Master levels feel kinda redundant now that we've got difficulty sliders.

[frail bloom]

No?

Having unique enemy placements and different hazards offer a different type of difficulty than cranking a value

Plus, master levels usually play way more differently than their base counterparts

Not everything is crank the slider

[solid nacelle]

I mean who wouldn't want remixed levels that provide a unique combat experience that you can't get anywhere in the campaign

[frail bloom]

Exactly!

I wanna see like 5 mancubi in an arena

Imagine 3 superheavies in an arena

Absolute nightmare

[frail bloom]

Fall just feels too early man

They gotta make unique ai, levels, boss fights

And they know we're expecting smt big

I'd say early spring or summer of 2026

Sure they probably started some of it beforehand but they gotta take in community feedback and expand on the gameplay loop

[hasty stone]

Quake con will prolly have a master level

With sliders it would be fun

[rotund rune]

Bruh wtf

Doom 2016 classic maps are harder than the actual campaign

It's much harder than Eternal even

[hasty stone]

Lol yeah right

I wonder if dark ages will get mod support in a few years

[sonic turret]

I don't really want master levels, I want new original content, not just rehashed old stuff.

[hasty stone]

You'll have to wait for the official dlc then probably at least 4 months from now

[cold patio]

wanted to clear chapter 21 resurrection got 97% after playing it for 1h 10min

[torn spade]

The steam moderators that run that sub forum for DTA are jerks and have been jerks since doom eternal.
i am so done with this game developer i want to cry....

it takes alot of tallent to piss off your fan so hard he does not want to hear your studio name.

[cold patio]

most steam mods are like that :/

[shut badge]

Yo does anyone know how to change the game's resolution without using the ingame menu?

[cold patio]

config file

your best bet

[tranquil bluff]

has anyone tried playing without upgrades?

I'm currently doing that and its extremely fun

[vivid flicker]

I havent

And i do not understand how that could be possibly fun

[harsh egret]

me when people enjoy different things

[lyric igloo]

hi guys can somebody tell me how can i turn off slow mo pls?

[vital rapids]

It's not a feature of the game, but id are adding it after feedback (they confirmed they've added and tested it and it feels good) so we have to wait for that update. In the meantime, if you don't want to wait, there is a mod on mod Nexus that does this.

[lyric igloo]

thank you brother

[tranquil bluff]

makes the combat more intense, mistakes in movement are lethal, helps hone your skill with weapons you might not have payed much attention to because of picking a favorite

I have it set to the lowest parry window as well and no reticle

I see it as dragonball z training weights for the dlc

mid game upgrades make enemies feel like tissue paper which isn't a bad thing at all but I miss that fresh playthrough challenge

no shield upgrades means parry or die

[frank turtle]

so basically 0 weapon upgrade right, I wanna try that, sounds fun

[tranquil bluff]

this guy gets it

Nightmare settings
lowest parry window
(though I have noticed in this setting sometimes you'll parry and still take damage but I think its a hit detection bug because of the small window)

[wheat sigil]

i mean, if you wanna increase skill it'd be better to play with maxed arsenal and harder sliders, and that would also make mistakes more lethal

never understood doing these types of challenge runs lol

[frank turtle]

Just wait until you try some of the sliders

[tranquil bluff]

I have tried messing with the enemy damage but it just makes it difficult in an annoying way that isn't very fun

this paired with the no upgrades specifically

[frank turtle]

I have a side playthrough rn on 500% player dmg, low parry and fast projectials constant shield breaks get pretty annoying

[wheat sigil]

how so? because it does exactly what you described earlier: making mistakes in movement lethal

[tranquil bluff]

I just find it more balanced

[vivid flicker]

Has anyone here beaten ultra nightmare

[slender night]

I have
(In RAGE, not this game)

[split gate]

Recently yes

[tranquil bluff]

not calling it the hardest difficulty, just makes you look at the battlefield and your arsenal differently, a bit more methodical with a bipolar mix of face grinding melee combat because you hit the battle knight with the dollar store ssg

not really a nightmare+ more like a nightmare -

[frank turtle]

I beat it but haven't 100% it yet

I'm currently on a pretty good run tho

ravager is overrated

[tranquil bluff]

√nightmare

that's more like it

[frank turtle]

the movement penalty ≠ the amount of dps

[tranquil bluff]

broken shield and a hunters overhead slash is always death

no matter the sliders

[frank turtle]

yeah ur toast at that point

[tranquil bluff]

usually you can get them down pretty fast with the ssg and melee combos but the low parry window and the slow base ssg puts the fear of god in you

[frank turtle]

honestly rocket launcher is the way to go with hunters, but it's not as fast killing as impaler or ssg

[tranquil bluff]

ravager or cycler is the best in that situation usually but I still try to take them down with the ssg for a proper dual

[frank turtle]

but rocket launcher is very safe to use

like I probably only really use rocket launcher if I really really don't wanna die

against hunters specifically

[tranquil bluff]

unupgraded rocket launcher requires alot better spacing to use like that

[frank turtle]

oh for sure, unupgraded, u might not even wanna bother with it

[tranquil bluff]

grenade launcher is better in that situation

[frank turtle]

damn I should try an non upgraded run, cause some guns really rely on their upgrades

[tranquil bluff]

rockets are good for vagarys and big armored enemies

[frank turtle]

interesting to see what shines and what doesn't

[tranquil bluff]

I got inspired to do it from how fun that last big fight of the village level was when you just have the shotgun and the nailgun

[frank turtle]

someone should try this with me #screenshots

[tranquil bluff]

it becomes a numbers game in the later levels after since your not relying of extra dps from upgrades, your gonna end up switching weapons alot more and using your environment in useful ways

[frank turtle]

that's similar to how the low resource & dmg to enemy sliders feel

keeps you on ur toes

[tranquil bluff]

gets hectic enough I end up opening secrets mid battle for soul spheres

[tranquil bluff]

yeah saw that, my controller player hands aren't ready for that headache

[frank turtle]

NEVER combo those together, holy shit talk about not having ammo

[tranquil bluff]

the fists are a very underrated melee weapon, most people I've seen get the flail and never look back

[frank turtle]

Haven't played with the fists enough to have an opinion

boy I love the flail tho

[frank turtle]

I've heard running them with the pulverizer is amazing

[vital rapids]

Out of interest did you change damage dealt at the same time? I think that slider should be used with caution, harder but with the same time to kill worked best for me

[tranquil bluff]

no I haven't touched that one

[vital rapids]

Ah ok

[tranquil bluff]

my brain kinda interprets that as cheating even though it isn't

[old magnet]

Flail's very goated, and I'm on the Cosmic Realm, and I'm kinda being more resourceful with that mace that refills your ammo and has 1 hit then cooldown, and i forgot the name of it. so yeah i think id knew some of us were lazy with melee weapons

[vital rapids]

the first thing I tried was demon damage up, slayer damage down, but the long ttk knocks the rhythm off kilter for me. Feels bad

[frank turtle]

Just upgraded the fists fully, I'll try em out

I need to use the cycler more aswell, gonna do that next

[old magnet]

I need to get an opinion what parry upgrade thing should I stick with? The Holy daggers or the rapid launcher thing?

[vital rapids]

Gauntlets are great, sometimes switch to them from flail. Haven’t found much use for dreadmace yet tbh… slow

[tranquil bluff]

dreadmace is good to taking down super heavies quickly, its slow but well timed hits give back a lot of reward and crowd control. fully upgraded your melee charges comeback alot faster than you think

[frank turtle]

daggers are the best

[vital rapids]

Yeah I can see it. Definitely skill issue on my part not using it

[frank turtle]

but the others are great in their own ways aswell

[old magnet]

Tysm for ur time, i think I'll stick to that, I remember being thoroughly focused on parrying a lot when I first got the Holy dagger shield rune

[vital rapids]

All the runes are good. I think canon is supposed to be more focused and daggers more indirect/crowd

[tranquil bluff]

auto turret kills a bit too quick for me and interrupts the health regen flow from glory kills but I do have a clip of it being used at its full potential

[frank turtle]

ya they're great, they delete enemies like nothing, especially when upgraded fully

[old magnet]

oh and one more thing, is Dreadmace good for the Agaddon hunters or nah? and i kinda use the ravager more than pulverizer

[vital rapids]

Wrong person to ask on dreadmace tbh. By all accounts it’s great, but I barely use it

[tranquil bluff]

check #videos

[old magnet]

hmm, i see... and i think i use ravager more than pulverizer, i hav no idea if the doom community think this is a cardinal sin for kinda ignoring pulverzier but for me Pulverizer and Dreadmace is great and sorry if i'm givin' out yappacinos, it's my habit but i kinda take pride in it

[vital rapids]

Ravaged is a better DPS/focus weapon. Pulveriser is great if you want to melee/bash less, it offers gunplay based utility for fodder imo

[tranquil bluff]

idk with dark ages combat I think not using a certain weapon isn't much less of a cardinal sin now as eternal was because of the new direction of player freedom

[old magnet]

oh thank the lordy lord. imma hav to shortly return to the Doom community. i've been on new Blood's ultrakill chat longer

[tranquil bluff]

I'm a civvie11 discord dweller

[vital rapids]

Yeah. I was considering offbinding impaler and shotguns to see how I fare without them

Weapon freedom is a win

[old magnet]

i'm just a simple guy high on ultrakill more than doom or other fandoms, but by all means i'm still high on em, and that means i still love em

[tranquil bluff]

I need to use the impaler more, I've gotten so many headshots with it without a reticle when I first got it again in my unupgraded playthrough

[wheat sigil]

yeah doom the dark ages is the first doom game with player freedom

[tranquil bluff]

I meant the new direction of player freedom

different kind of player freedom

[vital rapids]

Player freedom More like OG tbh

[tranquil bluff]

dark ages is more classic doom than the reboot series has ever been and I'm here for it

[vital rapids]

Like, if I want to punish myself I can use one gun for most of it, ammo notwithstanding

[old magnet]

it's RAGE but actually goatedly great in all the parts

[frank turtle]

it's the best gun in the game

[slender night]

RAGE already was goatedly great!

[old magnet]

I respect that a lot man, for me some little parts were kinda longing it out and so zoning. but overrall it was goatedly great, i really gotta rephrase what i said before but my brain focused on the times i got lost and a little frustrated i apologize

[vital rapids]

Oh, interesting take. RAGE… I can kinda see it. Loved the gunplay in that game, hated the limitations in scale. Same goes for Q4 actually. idtech8 arguably seems to address limitations that have been around for ages. We can have big maps and big mixed encounters again, huzzah

[slender night]

You don't need to apologize for that lmao it's okay you're cool

[hard thistle]

What is rage even about

[slender night]

I've beaten RAGE twice, once on Ultra Nightmare, I completely adore the game but it's one of those games where you can understand others disliking it

[wheat sigil]

rage against the dying of the light

[tranquil bluff]

not really sure if I have a favorite gun, in a lot of my playthroughs I used the ssg like a secondary melee weapon almost in the way that I use it with the melee and parrying

[slender night]

Post-apocalyptic game about life under a dictatorship

[hard thistle]

Hmm alrighty

[hard thistle]

Same

Fighting the agaddon hunter w the ssg feels cool

[tranquil bluff]

dark ages is at its best when your punching cyberdemons to death while parrying a small group of hellknights at the same time

[vital rapids]

Yeah, if you try to play guns-only, ssg usefulness drops off dramatically

[tranquil bluff]

adhd wonderland

[hard thistle]

^^

[vital rapids]

And pulveriser becomes important

[frank turtle]

the slomo slider update is gonna be a game changer

can't wait for that

[wheat sigil]

200% speed melee

[tranquil bluff]

warriors respect

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-shotgun-pump-action-shotgun-john-doom-gif-3598943377017080987

[vital rapids]

I like the idea of the slowmo slider as it can make the game a little more old school. But I can see myself re enabling it - the rhythm of combat flow is quite good with it, too

[wheat sigil]

i definitely prefer it without the slow-mo

almost a must for me

[frank turtle]

I tend to really like the weapons that you can be aggressive with in this game

[vital rapids]

So much love poured into this game

[hard thistle]

I've gotten so used to the slow mo that i genuinely can't even imagine how the game would feel without out but id love to see it

[tranquil bluff]

the slo mo can sometimes be awkward, sometimes lasting for about a half a second longer but I like it, well implemented reward system to catch your breath for a second

[wheat sigil]

interrupting as hell in my opinion

removing glory kills to increase the flow of combat
adds a slow-mo instead

an improvement still, but weird in my opinion

[tranquil bluff]

the glory kill overhaul has improved dooms combat and I'm so glad to be its defender day 1 of the pre release gamer complaining

[wheat sigil]

i have been a glory kill disliker since wayy before tda released🥱

[vital rapids]

Yeh, it doesn’t do that for me but can relate. Anything that feels like it breaks the combat flow for you is a nightmare . Without relitigating gk again 😂

[frank turtle]

makes me feel like a tank going 100mph

[hard thistle]

I love glory kills, they were part of my reason for getting into doom but tda is so much better without them at least with the little they do have

[slender night]

Careful, all the people who have only played Eternal will crucify you for this take

[hard thistle]

Eh let them

We gotta get rid of that whole "previous game was better" bandwagon people love to hop on whenever a sequel to a game is released

[old magnet]

I second that

[slender night]

Previous DOOM movie was better

[vital rapids]

I LOVE glory kills now they only happen when I want them - ie never when they would interrupt combat. It’s fixed them for me. They are fun now

[tranquil bluff]

never said I was a glory kill disliker but I knew since ancient gods part 1 that it needs work, a well crafted system but the hit detection messes up alot in more unorthodox situations. dark ages combat allows for this system to breathe more and prevent accidental blood punches and failed glory kills

[old magnet]

u mean DOOM 2005? doom 3's troubled identity crisis teen of a sibling that managed to be way better than annihalation

[slender night]

I personally want a DOOM 3 2

[hard thistle]

Executions are still cool, but they should mix both if they wanna "switch things up" like what GoW did. Have qte buttons during glory kills so we have something to do rather than js sitting back

[tranquil bluff]

crucify me but I'll always be right and that's only gonna make them hit me with spears in tearful gamer rage

[hard thistle]

At least i think itd be cool

[wheat sigil]

what do you mean with the hit detection thing? didn't quite understand

[vital rapids]

Aaargh QTE dude.

[slender night]

Next tell them D3 is good. They will NOT survive hearing that. They'll be like "have you even played it???" when they haven't 😭

[hard thistle]

Real

[tranquil bluff]

you ever accidentally used your blood punch when you go to glory kill or somehow punch when trying to do a glory kill then getting yourself killed?

[vital rapids]

Wot, BFG wasn’t amazing enough for you? 😂

[slender night]

It was a remaster, I want a brand new game

[tranquil bluff]

tbh bfg edition was a demaster

[wheat sigil]

yeah the blood punch is still somehow somewhat broken lmao

[vital rapids]

D3 is absolutely good. I’d love another game like that, that leant even harder into the horror tbh

[tranquil bluff]

these systems work okay but on higher level gameplay when the cracks start to show its there

[slender night]

Remaster.
I will defend BFG until I die. Most of its changes are subjective. There is some stupid shit tho lol

[old magnet]

yeah they made the chaingun slower but BFG's great

[hard thistle]

Doom could do with doom³ what cod does with bo and mw, have the slayer in one series then have doom³ in another. Just dont milk them as much or start charging like £40 for skins😭

[slender night]

I like how that implies the protagonist of DOOM 3 is named DOOM 3

[hard thistle]

[old magnet]

i'm kinda glad Hugo Martin said that it's canon, idc how or why it's canon, i just want it to be canon in the Id software CU or doom multiverse

[tranquil bluff]

I think for a secondary doom protagonist that isn't doomguy would work as a canon legacy of rust sized doom wad

[hard thistle]

Aint even realized i typed it like that💔

[slender night]

Hugo said it wasn't canon

[wheat sigil]

yea, the blood punch was broken on release and never entirely fixed, and glory kills are a net-negative to the combat loop for a few reasons

[vital rapids]

It should be his UAC code name in the reports in the next D3 game

[slender night]

That'd be too cheesy for me 😭

It's like that "First we mine, then we craft" line in the Minecraft movie

[old magnet]

like in doom 64 the levels doom guy goes through in doom 1 and 2 is classified 'DOOM'?

[hard thistle]

"Say that again?" Ahh💔

[tranquil bluff]

doom 3s version of the UAC is canon to the new games as being a secretly evil corporation already doing experiments on the demons before they invaded

[vital rapids]

That would also mean they could literally make the title of that series DOOM3 and call it DOOM3 II

[slender night]

Please don't do that

I would rather get a DOOM game named like AAA slopquels

Rise of the DOOM Slayer

[old magnet]

fair point

[hard thistle]

Doomslayer:origins💔

[waxen oriole]

Has berserker trophy been patched yet

[vital rapids]

Shadow of the Doom Slayer

[waxen oriole]

Don’t wanna do a whole other playthrough for it

[slender night]

Don't diss my boys Rayman Origins and Sonic Origins like that. I'm gonna throw hands

[hard thistle]

"What are we? Some kind of slayers of doom?" 💔

[hard thistle]

Damn near every franchise has a title with "origins" in it thou

[old magnet]

Mark of the Doom Slayer

[slender night]

"I'm your ultra-nightmare motherfuckers!!!"... wait what do you mean they already did that?

[vital rapids]

They have a potential fix and are hoping to get it out early this week if all goes well, and they apologised to PS5 fans on the stream, acknowledging how fun and awesome plats on PlayStation are

[hard thistle]

"We're gonna need a big fucking gun" 💔

[vital rapids]

“We’re gonna need a bigger BFG”

[waxen oriole]

So everyone with that trophy did a separate playthrough with all upgrades at once?!

25% got the trophy, 7% got the plat

[vital rapids]

It seems like The plan is to try and make it pop retrospectively

[waxen oriole]

So I don’t have to replay it yh?

[slender night]

"Something happened during this Lost Mission... some kind of Resurrection of Evil? No... that'd just make this Classic Complete."

[hard thistle]

"I am humanity's doom"
"Then i'm your slayer" 💔🥀

[vital rapids]

No promises from me dude, but hopefully, it sounded like

[frank turtle]

[waxen oriole]

🙏

[frank turtle]

meet your maykr, khan...

[hard thistle]

We should stop before anyone gets ideas and actually puts these shitty lines into a future doom movie

[slender night]

Too late. DOOM Annihilation has a shitty line like this

[tranquil bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/kahn-star-trek-angry-shouting-gif-15428033

[hard thistle]

Fuck's sake

[frank turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-squad-sucide-will-smith-gif-22583748

[slender night]

What is this, doom number 64?

[hard thistle]

"What are you? Some kind of, ancient god?"

[vital rapids]

“We’re gonna need a bigger fuckin’ BFG gun”

[tranquil bluff]

this shotgun has 2 barrels, what is this a super shotgun?

[slender night]

So anyway, that DOOM TDA game huh

[hard thistle]

"Is he some kind of icon but for sins?"

[tranquil bluff]

I want to use the mecha shotgun more

the titan sections are so short

[hard thistle]

"Good show, jolly good show"

[hard thistle]

And left more to be desired. They really could've made some cool counter animations or glory kills using the various titan weapons

[vital rapids]

I want to do an orbital drop in an atlan in the DLC. Groundslamming an army into gibs from space would be a great opening sequence

[frank turtle]

damn.. looks like we're in some kinda dark age..

[hard thistle]

They're good fun but thats all they are, good fun. They have as much depth as a bag of chips

[tranquil bluff]

not sure if they're still gonna do dragon missions in the dlc cause ...y'know

[hard thistle]

"This realm looks... Cosmic"

[frank turtle]

because why? ^_^

[tranquil bluff]

plot

[frank turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[vital rapids]

Hey doom slayer, I’ll be your snarky raccoon companion for this movie

[frank turtle]

how about. atlan missions, but with purple sludge

[hard thistle]

I doubt it. But also ||serrat was given by the Sentinels who in the end doomguy isnt with anymore so not like he can get a replacement from them||

[frank turtle]

maybe we'll get a 3 headed dragon in the dlc

[tranquil bluff]

probably not, but he only lost sovereignty in eternal when 85% of the sentinel population was already dead thousands of years later

[hard thistle]

Thatd be sick

[tranquil bluff]

at the end of dark ages I'm pretty sure they're still on good terms considering he killed kreed and saved thria

[frank turtle]

or ride a giant cacodemon throughout the cosmic realm

[hard thistle]

Ykw i like this idea better

[tranquil bluff]

wish they had more cacodemons

they're really cool but don't show up very much and only one at a time

[vital rapids]

Cacodemon riding would be like a Segway though

[frank turtle]

yeah I really wanna see encounters with multiple cacodemons

fuck it, put 5 of em in a master level idc anymore

[vital rapids]

There are multiple at one point, they could be used to great stacking effect more often. Kinda like revs and whiplashes

[tranquil bluff]

demons always have their own game they want you to play but you don't have to play by their rules, caco demons can still be damaged in the fence shield state but its risky

[red surge]

Who else thinks the Cthulhu missions are actually just a thassalaphobia simulator? Because I almost cried when I saw a big ass creature swim by and I was underwater deep in the black abyss lmao

I just kept swimming

[tranquil bluff]

the monster is real and is coming for you right now

[red surge]

Nah I love Cthulhu as a monster don’t get me wrong and I’m glad they sort of made them a species in this game, but that was an underwater oceanic nightmare for real

[tranquil bluff]

I think dual komodo would be a really fun encounter, they're animated and pathfind so well with the environment

new demon fight is fun enough to have a seat at the cool kids table honestly

[graceful lion]

well, it was definitely a weaker eldritch entity, just one of the gods in the cosmic realm, wich it seems to have plenty just used as bait for the greater gods

[vital rapids]

I love the way Cthulhu’s story arc concludes

[tranquil bluff]

better way to go out than getting hit by a ship

[frank turtle]

you've seen the secret triple cyber demon encounter right?

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-need-you-angry-throw-trash-garbage-gif-15769455

[tranquil bluff]

no?

where?

[frank turtle]

harbor of souls

[tranquil bluff]

I missed the birthday double tyrant Easter egg in eternal since they patched it out

such a fun encounter especially with your lower leveled character

[frank turtle]

https://youtu.be/JefSPm_U2yI?si=Wv3-lYKShhJ3YuRW

harbor of souls is such a goated level

[tranquil bluff]

give me like 20 minutes I'll post a video of me fighting these guys

[graceful lion]

its not patched out tho

u can literally still get the balloons no?

[tranquil bluff]

there's one balloon but you can't shoot it anymore

haven't played in a while though so might be wrong

cyber trio posted in videos of anyone wants to see, though was less graceful than I could have went about that encounter

[vital rapids]

Game looks quite nice on PS5, pleasant surprise. Also there’s that flying, I haven’t tried that yet #videos

[tranquil bluff]

with the Komodo?

[vital rapids]

Yeh

[tranquil bluff]

yeah its pretty random heavy enemy's can do that, so its pretty situational

have to turn off HDR so it doesn't compress as much

my max is 1080p 60fps but at least there's 60 fps

[vital rapids]

I play at 1080p anyway tbh

[tranquil bluff]

got a 4k 60hrz tv

and the game I have the most hours in using it is quake 1

fullest potential

[frank turtle]

I'm on the series x

runs eternal at 120 fps aswell which is awesome

[tranquil bluff]

ive considered uploading more dark ages videos but not exactly sure what I can do with simple clips, I can play pretty decent for controller

my plan with dark ages this time around is to learn to play at a high level without listening to youtubers, when I did that with eternal i hated the game

no mayo WILL use the auto rockets you hack

[frank turtle]

yeah it can be overwhelming to learn while listening to youtubers

I'd say I'm decent on xbox, I have 250 hrs on dark ages but only like 60+ on eternal

[tranquil bluff]

I'm around 150 mark on dark ages

250+ on eternal

[vital rapids]

I found it off putting that so much of that stuff was focused on cheesing DPS with weapon switching meta, which to me is the opposite of fun challenging skill-based FPS play. Sure use such things to optimise for competitive online play so you have the edge, but playing single player PvE like that, cheesing to nuke bots for hours on end, just seems miserable to me.
I guess opinions will vary.

[tranquil bluff]

I got turned off on weapon switching combos when punch swaps got popular, not a fan

just looks lame to me

[vital rapids]

I think just avoiding picking up other people's methods unless you need them is probably best. You can probably get through most games without spoiling it for yourself. Few games are designed to be impossible to play normally. Presumably Eternal included

[wheat sigil]

i don't see how quick swapping is cheesing DPS.
nor do i see how it mitigates - or especially is antithetical - to skill based FPS play. it simply adds another aspect into combat. it doesn't invalidate other skills, but it's something extra you can learn to do in order to improve your gameplay via increased DPS and higher levels of weapon utility.
also, why would it be fine in PvP but not in PvE?

[vital rapids]

Primarily because fun is not the objective in competitive online play, winning is. So you need the edge other people will have.
If I encounter something other people do, that doesn't look fun to me, to trivialise parts of combat in a single player game, I will strenuously avoid it. Because you can't unsee something that will delete a hard enemy tbh, fun or not you will find yourself using it

It's not so much about criticising other people for doing it, each to their own, but more about knowing what will spoil things personally

[vivid flicker]

Try doom the dark ages ultra nightmare with 1000% more dmg

[rain beacon]

guess who just got the dark ages

[graceful lion]

did u make sure u can run it?

[rain beacon]

Worked when I tried it on on gamepass

[graceful lion]

so ur good probably

should be good

genuinely surprising how many people have less than 6 year old hardware in this server, tho also not really

[rain beacon]

I got it at a good deal too, some dude was selling the bundle voucher code on FB for like 30

[graceful lion]

little over 11% of people on steam are unable to play tda

[wheat sigil]

why is it so specifically in PvP but not PvE?
yeah not quick swapping because you don't find it fun is fair. but why don't you find it fun? since i personally find it fun as hell lol. and it doesn't trivialize encounters by itself

[rain beacon]

Btw any idea when the DLC should come out?

next year?

[graceful lion]

most probably

if u want it to be a good full fledged dlc

i dont expect a dlc 6 months from release, unless its short

bc a dlc is more than just new maps or enemies, its possibly new characters, cutscenes, weapons, mechanics

and u wanna perfect allat, so it takes time

[rain beacon]

Yeah makes sense. I just wanted to know when i should expect to drop 35

[vital rapids]

I mean I guess what I said before - if it's a meta that doesn't appeal to me I would endure it for competitive play if everyone else is going to have that edge, but avoid otherwise. To clarify it's the "learning from youtubers" where this is offputting for me. From what I gather it is possible to go through Eternal without doing it in any case, but I haven't tried.

[remote thunder]

i've seen so many people say this but nobody ever explains what the opposite of "cheesing dps with weapon switching" is

would the opposite be cheesing dps with lock on burst? you don't need any tech to do that, it's fully intended, it's broken as shit, and takes zero physical execution as opposed to quickswapping which at least requires a little bit of learning

what is this "fun challenging skill-based fps play" you speak of?

enemy hitboxes are gigantic so aiming isn't relevant, that's strike one

air movement is broken as shit so you can nullify a majority of enemy behaviors without knowing what they are in the first place. that's strike two

[frail bloom]

Chaiiiiinn gun shield

[remote thunder]

^ strike three

[frail bloom]

The twue fun zone

Spamming it

You can murder barons, tyrants, archviles, doom hunters

With no reprocussions

Or however it's spelled

[frail bloom]

Oh ye I do that a lot too

Archviles especially can't do anything

Mix that with chaingun shield and you have fried squid

[vital rapids]

Well I can't speak to Eternal because while I bought it to support id continuing to make Doom games, it is not the game for me
buuuut you seem to get what I mean because you are listing reasons Eternal might not offer it

btw, I'm not one of those people who thinks Eternal is just quickswitching. The context was talking about learning things from youtubers
that can spoil the fun of games for you. And I can 100% see that because a lot of it pushes quickswitching as a primary tactic

[torn veldt]

went back to eternal today and for the first like 5 minutes i kept holding down shift

forgot what it feels like to be able to dash

always kept expecting that ill start running 😭

[ocean comet]

yea same here

i honestly really wish there is a hot key to change from the power fist to mace or flail

[long sparrow]

For higher difficulties it's definitely needed

[shell gull]

does the M* beside ur playthorugh mean u have tweaked with the sliders?

[wheat sigil]

it isn't

[hazy tulip]

Yeah not gonna lie youre not beating ultra violence+ eternal without quickswitching lol

I beat all of the dark ages with only the super shotgun lol

Ballista and rocket quick switch is brutal in eternal can kill anything in seconds

[wheat sigil]

i did my nightmare playthrough while only using the weapon wheel to switch

does that mean i'm the best gamer in the history of gamers

[mental grotto]

Clearly

[hazy tulip]

Well time slows when you use weapon wheel

So technically a quick switch

[wheat sigil]

not by any sound definition

you don't cancel any animation

if you define using the weapon wheel as quick swapping, any swap is a quick swap

and yeah, beating the game with one gun is hard, but that's not what we were talking about

if you go insane with the weapon wheel swaps, yeah you'll be cancelling animations and doing so efficiently, then yeah it's quick switching

but as most people do it? nah

[rotund rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1391500918197063683/1391500963373650211/Screenshot_2025-07-06-16-26-55-422_com.google.android.youtube.jpg?ex=686c1fc2&is=686ace42&hm=43f5ff2d2c749a796a6b46f38bf2dc81a9f9555eeec532e9ea3395f686bb5b99&
Bruh people are insane

Assault rifle in Eternal sucks so much. The regular fire is nearly useless

Take the PB away and it's an useless weapon

[wheat sigil]

almost true, quick swapping does really benefit from some easy fse activator which could then instead be the base fire or micro missiles, if you remove the pb

but the pb does make it really strong to an otherwise mid tier weapon

the shredder in tda is insane though

[stoic sleet]

Smth similar happened with the eternal combat shotgun

[rotund rune]

Wdym?

[remote thunder]

yeah take [the thing that makes it good] away and it sucks. true genius

[rotund rune]

The main fire also sucks ass when it comes to sound and feel. 2016 is the only which actually feels heavy and the damage is great

I love using to to kill fodder

Add the zoom and it becomes insane, great even to kill big demons

[rotund rune]

The base fire should be good lmao. Other weapons can be useful even without their mods. This one doesn't. gEnIuS

[remote thunder]

yeah, walking is a lot harder without kneecaps. unfortunately your point is moot because [the version of eternal where precision bolt doesn't exist] doesn't exist

i wouldn't use the super shotgun either if its damage got cut by 80%

[stoic sleet]

Everyone voted the eternal combat shotgun over the dark ages combat shotgun

[harsh egret]

thats crazy to me

[rotund rune]

Eternal is full of fanboys

But I actually use it a lot more in the first games than in TDA. TDA Shotgun is only useful depending on your playstyle

As I don't care for the armor it gives it's pretty useless for me

[harsh egret]

we went from "doom has crazy fans" to "eternal has crazy fans"

[wheat sigil]

restacking is really important, the CSG allows you to restack
conclusion: the CSG is really good

[wheat sigil]

especially since you can just run around forever and restack however much you want

[stoic sleet]

As someone who uses tda combat shotgun its really good

Even if thats biased

[rotund rune]

Are you deprived of intelligence? It seems like you keep hitting your head in a wall like saying stupid shit

Understand that 2016 and TDA have machine guns and they're actually good with or without mode, while Eternal's just rely in a single mod which makes it mid

[harsh egret]

i used it alot more when i went for all masteries and it wasnt a bad weapon whatsoever lol

[stoic sleet]

I mean its called machine gun, not sniper

[rotund rune]

Depending on the difficult I'll be losing life faster than earning, so I much prefer killing everything as fast and violently as I can, which the CSG doesn't do :/

[stoic sleet]

But if pb counts i still prefer the shredder

Though the pb is amazing

[rotund rune]

Shredder is cool but 2016 Machine Gun had the most use for me with its annoying imps

[wheat sigil]

run on the outskirts of the arena and take no damage, or literally whenever you encounter any fodder

it's free armor

[rotund rune]

I usually just take armor I find in the arena and it's enough for me

[wheat sigil]

doesn't mean that using the CSG wouldn't be better lol

maybe if you played harder stuff it would be more necessary

[remote thunder]

Eternal's just rely in a single mod which makes it mid
yeah and if that mod does comparable damage to the mgs in the other two games, which it does, it's objectively not mid. it's on par. if you're going to insult people make sure you think through your argument first so you don't act like a dickhead and a dumbass

also, tda's machine gun mods blow both of the previous games' mg mods AND base fires way the fuck out of the water so clearly you didn't think that through either

[stoic sleet]

Pincushion is so busted its funny

[remote thunder]

yeah it takes 2 explosions or 2.8-3 seconds to stagger a manc (gigantic aoe btw)

can't do that with any of the other machine guns

if you're going to make the argument that "the mgs in the other games work fine without mods" then do NOT use the game with THE most broken machine gun mods in the entire series as an example

[frail bloom]

Shredder is nice simple fun. It reminds me of the classic chaingun

It doesn't have snipe range but it's pretty decent range

And very very fast rate of fire

[rotund rune]

It doesn't lmao. It's a sniper shot, you shoot it once and wait for the reload or use QS. You're being stupid for ignoring an entire aspect of the weapon and insisting the regular fire doesn't matter because it does

[rotund rune]

I never criticized TDA's. I prefer that much more than Eternal's. Idk what ur on

[remote thunder]

you can punch cancel to ignore the reload, but you didn't know that

you can do that as soon as the mod becomes available in level 1

[rotund rune]

It's still not better than 2016 automatic zoom. And I didn't know that because I always use QS

[remote thunder]

yeah so you don't know what you're talking about, you should've just said that the first time you pinged me

[frail bloom]

So tda has a 50 enemy limit count or smt?

[remote thunder]

i said this already, but since you can't seem to find the message:

if you're going to make the argument that "the mgs in the other games work fine without mods" then do NOT use the game with THE most broken machine gun mods in the entire series as an example

[frail bloom]

You should use the mod with the gun

It's part of the gun

If we wanna talk base fire, I prefer 2016's

But in terms of utility, eternal

[vital rapids]

why do you say that?
I guess maybe - with shield groups and fodder it can't be much less

[frail bloom]

I asked moomin

I'm not actually sure

I haven't included tda yet btw

I was just comparing 2016 and eternal

[rotund rune]

R u insane? Having good mods and great base fire just makes it a better weapon, I'll use it in comparison to Eternal because Eternal only has a good mod and that's it

[frail bloom]

I want that mod where it centers the gun

The muricaneagle mod

It looked so cool

[vital rapids]

I love that shredder now gets the recognition it deserves. I was getting some strange looks for suggesting it was good initially

[rotund rune]

You're the one ignoring half of the argument here

[frail bloom]

Ye it took a while

[wheat sigil]

pb is better than micro missiles, but without pb they would be very useful lol

[rotund rune]

The base fire is basically a 3rd mod, it's part of the gun. Many of the weapons in the game have a better work in base fire than with mods, but here we have the rifle which only use is basically its mod. They might as well have added a sniper instead

[rotund rune]

It is, but I was talking about base fire. The problem with micro missiles is ammo and well, just use the minigun

[frail bloom]

Hm

Idk

[wheat sigil]

chaingun can't do this, nor can it apply fse with 1 shot, which is why mm would be very good without the pb existing
https://youtu.be/8HkGwzX5jFc?si=4TiKpqUX7ecCGSx0

and if we're judging weapons by how good they are, i feel like we should judge then ny how good they actually are
not how bad the potentially could be

[frail bloom]

I like 2016's more only cuz of sound and how the bullets look lol

I think eternal has the edge based on utility

[rotund rune]

I'm not the greatest with English but what's FSE?

[frail bloom]

The base fire is good for empowering the micro missiles too

[shell gull]

r micro missles not rlly good at taking down possesed enemies with the full charge upgrade or whatever its called

[frail bloom]

Really?

[rotund rune]

What's is "this" ur talking about?

[frail bloom]

I think it's really good

[shell gull]

i tried it on a possesed arachnotron the last time i played ternal

[frail bloom]

I tried it on a manc

[shell gull]

melted it and saves ammo for the spirit itself

[frail bloom]

Ohhh why did you word it like that

[shell gull]

?

[rotund rune]

I somehow used 2016 more than Eternal's. Eternal's only use it to destroy weak points, and I kinda wanted to use it to kill fodder but it's not good for the purpose

[frail bloom]

"R micro missile not rlly good"

[shell gull]

oh mb they are good imo

[frail bloom]

Were you askin a question or stating smt

[shell gull]

its like a question to ask if anyone else agrees that there good

[frail bloom]

2016 does feel good to use I like those bullets

[shell gull]

but PB is obv gonna be used in practicalty cause of how good it is

in speed running etc

[frail bloom]

Very crunchy

I want a chaingun skin for the shredder

Classic chaingun

[wheat sigil]

fast swap effect, it's something you can apply to weapons in eternal to make them swap faster

[wheat sigil]

taking down a doom hunter that fast

it's a strategy i use while having access to pb

[remote thunder]

yeah, and it doesn't matter that the weapon has one trick if that one trick works. why should every weapon have a good primary fire, especially if its mods largely outclass said primary fire? you seem to just assume that "primary fire must be good or weapon bad" without really thinking about why you believe that.

pb with punch canceling is better than 2016's tactical scope. https://youtu.be/1EM0HtsZeTo?si=TJj68radz7u8FcaS&t=210

[frail bloom]

That is very cool art

[wheat sigil]

btw, just wanted to comment on this, you seem very good at english!

[rotund rune]

I'm very old at this it's just that there are some words which I still never heard of, or acronyms

[wheat sigil]

ah yeah fair enough

[remote thunder]

wanted to use it to kill fodder but it's not good for the purpose
factually wrong.

1. it's hitscan with practically infinite range (not just a line of sight check, it has a giant cylindrical hitbox so you don't need to be anywhere near on target to kill things)
2. it can collat fodder just like tactical scope, but it's better at that since it oneshots fodder and there's no damage falloff or range falloff as long as the bullet kills everything it hits during said collat.
3. it has comparatively high damage (400 body, 500 crit) and a high fire rate due to punch canceling. if you're going to insist it's a sniper, sure. but it's semi-auto.
4. it has easily achievable aoe damage via the mastery. just requires headshot kills to proc.

[rotund rune]

Ok ok I'll test someday if you insist

[remote thunder]

you've been insulting me this entire time from your high horse while demonstrating multiple times that you're biased, uninformed, misinformed, simply bad at the game, or at times, all four. people being confidently wrong about shit is so funny.

[minor vessel]

hello people

[wheat sigil]

hi

[minor vessel]

would you like to sign my petition?

Petition to make whiney congressmen play violent video games

[rotund rune]

You're the ignorant ignoring the argument until now that the regular fire sucks. Just because it has a great mod it doesn't make it as good as the others

You're right about the precision bold being better than I thought, maybe better than the previous mods, but not about the overall weapon being better. Get of your horse a little

I didn't agree with you about this anytime lmao

The base weapon still sucks and is borderline useless

[lunar minnow]

How about- You both agree to disagree!
You both aren't really getting anywhere with this argument, and I don't want you both just going on and on and on.

You both have made points, and explained your sides!
Glask, is right about the mechanics of the gun!
Iron-boy I think is making a different kind of argument when it's compared to other guns.
Both of you can try to find a middle ground!

[neon gust]

hey it's okay as long as they're not calling out each other for using debate styles or whatever

you wouldn't wanna sound like a nerd now would you

[lunar minnow]

I'm just seeing a little name-calling which is why. :/

Hopefully it'll be resolved a bit more amicably.

[neon gust]

idk I think it's just healthy to call the other side dumb once in a while

[frail bloom]

I wanna fight 50 mancubi

[neon gust]

over Doom weapons (again) is crazy though

[frail bloom]

Grrrr

[neon gust]

Hell yeah grug that's a great idea

[lunar minnow]

Yes, yes, it'll happen!

I'm sure it'll get implemented in a master level, or when mods become a thing.

[frail bloom]

Hell yeah

[neon gust]

50 mancubi which you will most likely be able to wipe out with a BFC shot

it wouldn't be a challenge but it would be extremely satisfying I believe

[frail bloom]

Then 50 whiplash spawn

Shouldn't have used that bfc

[neon gust]

You're right 💔

[lunar minnow]

Then 50 Cyberdemons!
Then 50 Komodo's!
Then 50 Aggadon hunters!

[neon gust]

50 of every single demon

call that nuts.tda

[lunar minnow]

Imagine a file extension that goes by .tda. 💀

[frail bloom]

I wanna know the ai limit

So far I guessed 50

[rain beacon]

I love how Eternal Prepared me to take TDA on Nightmare first go

[remote thunder]

peak online entertainment. unfortunately, also a bad habit long term

[lunar minnow]

Hi Glask!

[lunar minnow]

You'd have to ask a modder or Hugo.

[rotund rune]

Nah I'm done. I made my point here already and I gotta go out now. Sorry for anything

[lunar minnow]

Oh, you're fine! Nothing to say sorry for to me at least, maybe Glask, but I'm not sure.

[rotund rune]

BFC section without BFC. Best thing you can do

[frail bloom]

But that was eaassyy

The mancubus section that is

The first 2 phases if not cheated are pretty damn hard

[dreamy kiln]

Yo

[frail bloom]

Yo

[lunar minnow]

Yo.

[vital rapids]

Yo.

[merry sapphire]

i think its pretty good at softening up fodder for a glory kill

[rotund rune]

The fire rate is kinda slow, the previous version is much better at it. But it does this indeed

[merry sapphire]

just to be clear, we are talking about the heavy cannon in doom eternal right

[merry sapphire]

yeah but thats kinda what makes it good for a glory kill. imo atleast

i think its a VERY useful weapon in a certain playstyle. i used it alot

[rotund rune]

Yes

[rotund rune]

The thing with 2016 is I feel it puts enemies in a glory kill state faster. Idk I rarely overshoot it and lose the GK

With eternal I find myself trying not to overshoot more frequently, shooting shot by shot sometimes

[merry sapphire]

thats true, but in 2016 i never really felt the need to "force" a glory kill you know

[rotund rune]

Indeed

You can also just melee a zombie

[merry sapphire]

since the weapons in 2016 are pretty op you usually are better off just focusing on larger demons

[rotund rune]

I used it mostly to complete the rune challenges

[merry sapphire]

that too lmao

[rotund rune]

The problems are the annoying imps running from you. The heavy cannon is so perfect for them

It's an automatic weapon but one headshot in zoom mode kills any fodder

And I have a mid aim so being automatic helps. Idk not a big fan of snipers

[shell gull]

what problems where some of the devs going through to make that one shield enemy

not the regular one but that one with spikes coming out the top of it

that and the nightmare imps

[neon gust]

the chaingunner yeah

chaingunners in Doom have always been notoriously painful to deal with

[barren ember]

I fuckin love chaingunners

ESSPETTIALY in doom 2

[fathom pendant]

[solid nacelle]

When are we going to see a row of 10 chaingunners id

[barren ember]

Real

[gaunt valve]

yes i was searching my name on the server, but where tf did that come from 🤣

i wasnt even there for that conversation lmao

[lunar minnow]

Hi Anne+

!*

Been a bit!

[frail bloom]

Grugcubus

[lunar minnow]

Vader keeps sucker punching you.

[frail bloom]

Hugo gimme slo mo slider

I'm boooored

I see my lamentations are not heard

[lunar minnow]

They take time to come out Grug.

[frail bloom]

I perceive

[gaunt valve]

hiya

[gaunt valve]

oh 😭

he cant be that strong cos i didnt notice 🤭

[lunar minnow]

Real.

[gaunt valve]

also read his bio lol

[lunar minnow]

Where have you been? It's been a while since we've seen you! If you don't mind me asking of course.

[lunar minnow]

"Kindness"

[gaunt valve]

just been keeping myself busy in other ways, im off college for a while which is why i even made a discord

im tryna find healthier activites then being a pain in doomcord lol

[lunar minnow]

Ohhh, I see.
Sounds similar to me since I'm waiting for classes to start up again.

You're always welcome to be a pain here!

[gaunt valve]

oh cool! 2nd year?

[lunar minnow]

Going into the next after that.

[gaunt valve]

fair enough, im going into IT this year

[lunar minnow]

Oooooo.

[gaunt valve]

mhmm

hoping to meet some better friends this year tho 😭

the drama was insane last year

[lunar minnow]

Oh... Yeah try to surround yourself with healthy people if you can.

I knew a pretty toxic friend group first year.

It was terrible.

[frail bloom]

What if that said person calls you Mr. Cheesepie

[lunar minnow]

What even?

[frail bloom]

Holy stroke

[lunar minnow]

Yeah-

[frail bloom]

Cheesepie

[gaunt valve]

yeah, seems like everyone has the same story for first year

[frail bloom]

What is this college

How is it

[gaunt valve]

well im not gonna dox myself lmao

[lunar minnow]

^^^

[frail bloom]

No not the college are you just going to college in general

[lunar minnow]

Most people I've found aren't mature first year yet.

[gaunt valve]

just realised u might not even be talking abt college

[frail bloom]

I should have said "what is this, college?"

Makes more sense

[lunar minnow]

Yeah.

[frail bloom]

I sense a disturbance

Have I been annoying

[lunar minnow]

In the force?

No not at all! Why would you ever think that?

[frail bloom]

I have a sixth sense

[lunar minnow]

I'm always happy when you're chatting.

[frail bloom]

Hrrrmmm

[gaunt valve]

bom, bom, bombadom, bombombombombadom

[frail bloom]

Grug

See it's the drums and then it makes a grug sound

Nvm

[lunar minnow]

Grug grug grug.

[frail bloom]

Grug chug

[lunar minnow]

Chug rhymes with Grug.

[gaunt valve]

i didnt even think the croods was a well known show but ive seen loads of references and even had ppl irl mention it

glad its still known tho

[frail bloom]

I love the croods show even though people shun it

It's on netflix

[gaunt valve]

well i coulda guessed lol

[frail bloom]

Welllllll I just switched to grug like 3 days ago

I just saw the meme and decided to be annoying

I identify as Grug

[gaunt valve]

i identify as a better deathmatch player than @stoic sleet

[frail bloom]

Oooooo

[gaunt valve]

:3

[lunar minnow]

Well, I got to go now.

I'll see you all later!

[gaunt valve]

oki cya

[lunar minnow]

Good seeing you Anne! Hope to see you soon again!

Bye bye Samir!

[frail bloom]

Bye

[gaunt valve]

same to u ^_^

[shell gull]

https://youtu.be/4tk8lkmYGWQ?si=FxUSjXDrkIcNtjQI at 55 secs into the trailer theres a location i dont recongnise is this in game and i missed cause im dumb or what

[frail bloom]

The grey area or the atlan area

The atlan foundry was cut

The grey area is siege

Man this looks so different

[shell gull]

the atlan foundry is clip of the pulvirser?

[frail bloom]

Yes

[shell gull]

and the clip of the mancubus is siege?

[frail bloom]

Yup

[shell gull]

damn

[frail bloom]

Ye atlan foundry would've been real cool

[shell gull]

was siege changed up in the final game

looks alot more green in retail

[frail bloom]

It is way more grey in the trailer but there are parts of siege that are grey

I guess that happens with every doom game

[shell gull]

yeah like the vagray fight area

[frail bloom]

Yes that one

With the titan and atlan fighting

[shell gull]

and the burnt trees

[frail bloom]

Mhm

I think that nvidia video had a really cool enviroment too

It was like a sentinel station with lava

It was sooooo sick