the-dark-ages

[maiden onyx]

mood

[frail bloom]

I think I got like 50 fps in one section while using the skullcrusher lol

Lots of stuff happening

[wheat sigil]

noo😭

[silent hemlock]

dark ages was working like literally perfect until today

now everytime i launch it shrinks my aspect ratio

[scenic hill]

Anyone got tips for the vagary boss? Idk what’s going on but he’s kicking my ass

I’m on pandemonium

[frail bloom]

Pulverizer.

Stun it first, then go behind it and spray

The mancubi didn't even spawn

[zenith thunder]

W+M1

[split gate]

Always be on the move and go in a circle if you can, and stay at a distance. The Mancubi spawn when the Vagary is stunned for the first time. Use Pulveriser and aim at its back for maximum damage when it is stunned and use the melee at the end to get ammo. Then, keep on shooting if the Mancubi haven’t spawned yet, but go near to either end of the arena, where they would spawn. When they spawn, falter one of them immediately and then use Pulveriser, go behind the Manubi, to hide from incoming projectiles from the Vagary and other Mancubi. Then go kill the other one with the same method then go for the Vagary, rinse and repeat

Be aware of your surroundings and keep them at the front of your vision as much as possible. Always check for that slow goo the Vagary keeps shooting

[remote thunder]

not really, if you parry on the same frame an attack hitbox intersects your hurtbox then getting hit makes perfect sense

[wheat sigil]

i mean in that case they'd have to make up their mind and not call it a parry too

[remote thunder]

the parry going through also makes sense, you taking damage and the parry landing are registered at the same time so neither is canceled out

they'd have to program a special exception for this, otherwise this is just the natural conclusion of how these game mechanics interact at such a specific timing

does it feel bad anyway? should such an exception be made? yeah, probably

[wheat sigil]

shouldn't every bug technically be the logical conclusion of the game mechanics though, doesn't make it any leas of a bug

[remote thunder]

if they wanted to address this in a way that favors the player, they'd have to let the player cheat every time this happens (ignore damage even though you got hit)

[delicate grotto]

It makes sense logically but it isn’t an intended result. If you parry perfectly, you shouldn’t take damage. Other games have exceptions to counteract this. It’s not a big deal in TDA considering how large the parry windows are, even on the tightest setting, but it should still be ironed out.

[remote thunder]

the parry in this case isn't really "perfect" though

it happens on the last possible frame

[wheat sigil]

i'd say that is as perfect as it gets

[remote thunder]

a perfect parry would be one that lands on the first possible frame

a parry that leads to you taking damage anyway is inherently partially failed

you get the parry anyway, but because you were almost late you eat one hit. i think that's fair

souls games address last frame parries by letting you block the attack (no parry so you don't get a critical hit), but that only really applies to physical damage (you can't have 100% magic damage negation) and it destroys your stamina bar which is often worse than just eating the hit

a last frame parry in this game still lets you falter enemies and proc every other parry-related effect

you're still rewarded generously for almost fucking up

[frail bloom]

Maybe the last frame should reward you the most

Just a thought

[split gate]

This sounds like something very possible given how Hugo thinks

[frail bloom]

Y'know

Hugo looks like Grug..

Hugo Boofin

Rhymes with grug

[hasty stone]

hugo doesn't like really tight parry's himself

me either but i'm sure he will make it tighter for the ppl's

[lunar minnow]

Hey! I'm doing my best here! 😭
Hard to sleep nowadays. :(

That's crazy... 💀

[split gate]

Remember guys, you can only either call a game peak, or call it complete trash, no in-betweens

[lunar minnow]

That's the kind of mindset I hate. 😭

You should be able to say whether you love a game and have some issues, or hate a game and have no issues.

But some people just take it to extremes.

For some reason.

[split gate]

Tbh, opinions like that don’t matter, they’re just waste of space

[lunar minnow]

They are...
They're not constructive at all...

[split gate]

There’s usually two reasons: they either expect the game to meet their absurd expectations or they follow a Youtuber’s opinion

You can have expectations for TDA but saying it’s bad because is not Eternal is a dogshit take

[lunar minnow]

They just want to play the game within the systems of the old game.

[lunar minnow]

Let me link you to something I said earlier...

Here.

I think this point still stands very strongly, the entire essay I wrote. 😭

[split gate]

Oh I saw this, yeah I get what you mean. I believe Eternal was the greatest FPS I played and I still do. However, I’m very open to switching to TDA if id goes one step further with their DLC and Master Levels

[lunar minnow]

It's not even about switching, both can stand. 😭

You know?

It's the people who think that you have to switch.

No, you can play both! Or just stick with the old.

[split gate]

Yes that’s true, I’m not saying one is better than the other objectively, it’s just for me

[lunar minnow]

You aren't missing out on anything, even if you don't like it.

Mhm! I get what you mean.

It's just frustrating that people are so narrow minded.

[split gate]

I personally prefer Eternal because of how fast it is, but TDA shows you can dial back but still deliver a fantastic experience.

[split gate]

Yep, but I believe it is only a very vocal minority

[lunar minnow]

Absolutely.

[split gate]

But as a game in general, I think TDA is better, I just prefer games that make you go zoom

[lunar minnow]

I think the majority of people love Dark Ages.
But the amount of whining I heard was insane.

I'm not sure what TDA does better then DOOM Eternal, I haven't seen anyone explain it to me.

But when I played it, I didn't feel like one's better then the other.
Possibly Eternal, but that's probably just personal preference or me not warming up to TDA enough yet.

[frail bloom]

I am a simple man, the ground pound won me over

Ground pound falters my precious

[split gate]

I have some pointers, again, this is just how I experienced it.

• Better campaign pacing. Despite being longer than the other games, I never really got bored with game and always looked forward to each level. I think it’s because they always introduce something new each time, whether a new weapon, mechanic, or enemy. Not every level feels the same
• Consistency with music. This is just me but even though I believe Eternal’s ost was amazing, the shift from composers was jarring and I could hear the difference. Whether the difference is bad or not is up to the listener but I believe having one composer makes for a more smoother listening experience to the music.
• Communicating mechanics to the player: TDA’s tutorials weren’t as jarring compared to Eternal’s where a screen box just comes up out of nowhere or you’re sent into a room to learn a mechanic. While there are sections like that in TDA, there’s less of them and they don’t feel as jarring or out of nowhere.
• Story: While it is not a complex, well written one, it is much better than the previous entries. However, I still prefer the dark direction 2016 was going to.

There is more but this is on the top of my head

[lunar minnow]

That's fair, I believe the gameplay is pretty equal though.

[split gate]

Yeah, because each gameplay is designed with a specific direction

[frail bloom]

Waiting for ground pound meta in dlc🔥 🔥

[lunar minnow]

Definitely. :)

I loved the story.

Honestly.

[frail bloom]

This game feels trash if you're not good at it
(Duh)

[split gate]

It really depends on the execution, and I believe TDA executed it very well. Multiple playthroughs make me enjoy the game even more

[frail bloom]

Family member of mine just can't grasp the game

[split gate]

If you have the time to replay it again and again, you should, you get a very different experience when you play the game again

[frail bloom]

Says it ain't even close. The reason why I have a problem with this is bc he loves the music and story so far but can't understand the gameplay

[lunar minnow]

This applies.

[frail bloom]

I wanna help him but I haven't seen him in a month

[lunar minnow]

Second time playing through just the first 5 levels, I felt so much different about the game.

Like, I loved it way more.

Felt a lot like Eternal.

[frail bloom]

I told him wait till I come over imma shred

He plays on hurt me plenty

[delicate grotto]

Sound design. Weapon design. Weapon and utility integration (all systems build off one another to create unique playstyles). Environmental exploration, secrets actually require some thought to access at times (Eternal’s were literally put in your face). Environmental detail. Pacing. Cinematics.

[split gate]

He will soon understand

[frail bloom]

Hopefully

[split gate]

It took me until the second half to understand the fun zone

[lunar minnow]

For the secrets, I've heard the complete opposite.
But everything else I can see.

I still think both games are at the same level.

[split gate]

Like Eternal, we didn’t know wtf to do until we tried and tried again after failure

[frail bloom]

If you don't like the mech and dragon sections plus open levels, you get the opposite opinion for pacing

[split gate]

While I feel the mech and dragons need more oomph, it helped a lot with pacing

[frail bloom]

I understand that for 2016, but the people who say eternals secrets were better hid are lying, they're so miniscule it's crazy

[lunar minnow]

Really? I found they were well hidden...

You had to use the map frequently to get to them.

Assuming 1st playthrough ever.

[frail bloom]

No they were hidden but there's so little of them and there's no effort in their placement

Almost no effort

[lunar minnow]

I felt they were placed with purpose personally.

[delicate grotto]

Which boggles the mind.
How can you look at levels like Super Gore Nest or Nekroval and say they have good secret implementation.

At least in TDA you have multiple tools to figure out fun, easy puzzles. Instead of turning a corner and finding a secret. Seriously… so many Eternal secrets are looking at a grey portion of your map, going to it, seeing an obviously placed breakable wall or monkey bar and finding it in 2 seconds.

TDA tries to blend its platforming elements into the level design to make its secret hunting feel more natural, with unique tool usage to keep secret hunting fresh.

[lunar minnow]

I don't agree that they were put with no effort.

[frail bloom]

I'm saying relative to tda, on it's own its fun

[lunar minnow]

There are some secrets in Dark Ages that were just out in the open I found...
Like you would just walk onto a platform and it's apparently a secret found-

[delicate grotto]

Hell, At least HALF of the collectibles in Eternal are right around a corner with nothing blocking it

[lunar minnow]

😭

[frail bloom]

Which secret?

[lunar minnow]

I felt the same about TDA though...

[lunar minnow]

The one where you had an amulet on a high platform.

[split gate]

Chapter 20 had some banger secrets

[lunar minnow]

I think it was the heart level?

[frail bloom]

Bruh that requires you to take a secret path

[lunar minnow]

I found that really easily, felt like I just walked into it. 😭

Maybe it's because I explore every nook and cranny and don't really pay attention to what I'm doing. 😭

Secret = happy. 💀

[hasty stone]

TDA maps are bigger so it makes sense to have secrets easier to find...

[split gate]

I believe more puzzle solving was involved in finding the secrets, not just going to a secret pathway

[frail bloom]

Not the secrets fault, you even had to fight through enemies and hit a box with your shield

You did like 5 things to find it

[lunar minnow]

You might be right honestly.

[empty sable]

I'm geographically challenged in games so I'm glad they aren't too difficult to find lol

[lunar minnow]

I just think both games are good. 💀

[frail bloom]

It's pretty intuitive

[split gate]

Chapter 20 is a good example bro

[lunar minnow]

That's probably why I felt that way though.

[hasty stone]

your second/third playthrough you dont need to find any secrets...

[lunar minnow]

Because it's intuitive I didn't realize.

[hasty stone]

secrets should be first playthrough only

[frail bloom]

The worst secrets are in doom 2 lol

[lunar minnow]

If that makes any sense.

[hasty stone]

you dont need to upgrade all weapons also

[lunar minnow]

I'll check it over again then!

[frail bloom]

Remember that room where you unlock 3 just by walking in a hallway?

Absolutely silly

[empty sable]

Only problem is if you skip one you can't backtrack. At least in some instances.

It's not that big of a deal though.

[hasty stone]

you can backtrack before the it shows the icon thingy.. i found all on my first

[split gate]

The cosmic realm level secrets make TDA’s secret hunting experience easily miles above Eternal’s

[lunar minnow]

Thanks you guys by the way for being chill.
I appreciate that a lot.
Actually helped me see what I might have been missing.

[lunar minnow]

Okay, yeah no.

I agree 100%.
Holy shit those were fun.

[hasty stone]

@split gateyeah cosmic secrets were really well done!

[empty sable]

Well, given that you can't jump. If you are on levels that have you jump down you can't go backwards. Same thing if it's a different map on the same level.

[frail bloom]

Ye they're super fun

[lunar minnow]

I remember now, yeah.

[hasty stone]

@empty sablei dunno i never missed a secret on my first playthough,

[lunar minnow]

I needed a memory jog holy... 😭

[frail bloom]

Says a lot abt how they flow

[empty sable]

I'm not talking about the person who is actively looking for them 24/7 lol

[hasty stone]

secrets on more playthroughs is waste of time but thats good for speeding through the maps

[lunar minnow]

I should continue my replay of Dark Ages.

But I'm trying to play Eternal again. 😭

[split gate]

Ngl, I find it hard to get back into Eternal after TDA cause of how different they both are

[hasty stone]

i find TDA's combat way more fun, Eternal is just overwhelmingly stressful at times

Eternals DLC was so stressful i quit

[lunar minnow]

I interesting don't have that problem, I can switch between both seamlessly.

[frail bloom]

Try getting all secrets and secret combat encounters

[empty sable]

I think it's a level design choice. In Eternal you can always go back because of the parkour. Even though I strongly dislike the parkour, but it's just the way the levels are laid out.

[lunar minnow]

That's what I always do! :)

[frail bloom]

I went through my replaythrough in 5 hrs and 35 min

[lunar minnow]

I left off on level 5.

[split gate]

This is how I feel in some parts of Eternal, some arenas were just so stressful for me, like it was purely for the challenge, that the fun is just gone and it feels like survival. Challenge and fun are two different things

[frail bloom]

Eternal's a little short

[hasty stone]

Eternal meeded sliders/modifiers...

[empty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-shorter-than-i-expected-gif-4830539

[lunar minnow]

I think the challenge makes it fun though, but I can agree some things aren't fun...
Like super gore nest master level... shudders.

[hasty stone]

i didnt like eternals master levels

[split gate]

The right amount of challenge can make a game fun, but a game focusing purely on challenge can be too much for the player

[lunar minnow]

I can agree with that. :)

[empty sable]

Agreed. I play games for fun, but even challenging stuff in Eternal you can just skip. It's only a real complaint if you have the need to 100% everything and unlock it all. Probably skipping stuff isn't the answer most are looking for though lol

[split gate]

Eternal’s Master Levels, once I beat them and got the rewards, I never played them again because it felt like a slog. I felt the balance was off between challenge and fun, leaning more into the challenge. While they are Master Levels, they should still be fun and encourage the player to try again cause they want to. Cultist Base Master Level is a great example of this, I replay that level a lot

[hasty stone]

i think TDA master levels will have replayaiblitiy

hugo knows it needs it

[split gate]

👀

[hasty stone]

with no battle mode they can do all singleplayer stuff now

[frail bloom]

I'm hoping for that roguelike horde mode

[hasty stone]

a whole campaign of master levels would be SICK

[empty sable]

I still wish they would implement a nemesis system when it comes to demons. Bounties and such. It's amazing to dream 😉

[lunar minnow]

Definitely.
Anyways, I'm going to head off.
See you later. :)

Bye everyone!

[split gate]

Later broski

[frail bloom]

Oh like really strong enemies in a map roaming around that you can choose to kill?

[empty sable]

This and even the demons having certain strengths or weaknesses, depends on how crazy they want to get with it. You'd earn some kind of in-game currency from bounties and then use it to unlock a variety of skins. It would be a grind, but add some replayability.

[frail bloom]

That sounds really fun

Tda is hugo's baby anyway so he better treat it right

[empty sable]

Nemesis System in general is a copyright problem. Yet AC Odyssey had a decent template for it and they never got in trouble. You just have to do it right. Unsure what the exact copyright stuff is for that system WB has.

[silent surge]

they’re all hugo’s children

[empty sable]

Just feels like it works with Doomguy hunting down demons. Crossing them off his list. Definitely can see it.

[frail bloom]

Nah I mean as in he needs to raise it, 2016 and eternal have had their content updates

Rhymes with grug

[empty sable]

It's the current focus. At least we're hoping lol

[silent surge]

one thing thats rough about panda mode is that you cant just play half and quit

[orchid rover]

Are the streams coming back next week?

[misty ibex]

Is anyone else having freezing issues after the update? I’ve been asking around and I can’t seem to find any help

[frail bloom]

We had one thursday

Last week

He came back for a while

I think it's streams every thursday

[orchid rover]

Holy shit the slowdown needs to go, it can't be said enough how much this makes the game terrible to play in complex encounters

I was playing the Resurrection arena fight with the Berserker powerup but I wanted to skip the PU to actually have a good fight. I was knocked around for almost 15 straight seconds of parry slowdown

[orchid rover]

Was there any news about new content

[frail bloom]

Slowdown slider is confirmed, so are master levels

Hugo is open to mutliple ideas

He's in a lot of youtube comment sections

[orchid rover]

BALLER

FATHER MARTIN HAS NOT LET US DOWN YET

This game really does feel like it was made for a more casual audience than Eternal and that really bites, but Hugo 100% knows and loves the more hardcore fans

And with this game's dev cycle not getting killed by covid, I'm hoping we get a full vision of what id wants for a Doom game, and not one missing half the planned content

[frail bloom]

Wait lemme show you some photos I snapped

#screenshots message

[split gate]

The vocal minority of haters don’t have a clue who we have as a game developer, they should be thankful we have people on the team who is actually engaging with the community ffs

[orchid rover]

The Impaler is fucking disgusting

I play the game at 75% damage and it still carries

[frail bloom]

He says it needs some sort of tweak

[orchid rover]

I will not rest in that the issue is slow weapon switch speed. If it was literally 5-15% faster the game would feel better

[frail bloom]

Maybe less ammo

[orchid rover]

The issue is damage and ammo economy. You have to magdump in this game to come close to running out

[split gate]

No please Hugo, let me finish my UN run in peace 😭

[frail bloom]

He also did say that he is lowering the ammo of powerful weapons

Like the one shot big damage ones

So ssg, chainshot, rocket launcher, impaler

[orchid rover]

That won't make the game feel better to play though

[frail bloom]

They're tweaks

[orchid rover]

If we get a higher switch speed (and flat out damage buff to the SMG) people will gladly use the Pulverizer or other guns

There's no good reason to switch off of your heavy weapons in this game

[frail bloom]

Well the light weapons are equally good

[orchid rover]

No they most certainly are not

[frail bloom]

No they are, accelerator and cycler murder crowds

[orchid rover]

The accelerator is very good high DPS on single targets

And there's no reason to use your gun to kill a crowd of fodder when the shield throw is a giant buzzsaw

I think that also makes the light guns feel inadequate

[frail bloom]

The shieldthrow is not as fast tho

[orchid rover]

Doesn't really matter

Faster to throw shield than swap from SSG to pulverizer

[frail bloom]

The accelerator with its heatblast can falter multiple heavies in front of you

Again, it's how well you use it

[orchid rover]

The Pulverizer just feels like a "We're proud we made this gun! Use it in this room right now!"

Like FAS in Eternal

[frail bloom]

I disagree I've been playing with it and it shreds

[orchid rover]

It's possibly the lowest DPS gun in the game besides maybe the shredder

[frail bloom]

It deletes the vagary boss in 20 seconds.

[orchid rover]

The Pulverizer or the Ravager

I only switch to other weapons when I'm like "I would like to shoot something that isn't SSG"

or impaler

And it usually just leads to slower room clears

[frail bloom]

Pulverizer

Again it's how you use it

Paired with your runes, movement, timing

Anyways I gotta go

[frank turtle]

yeah it's great, especially for chapter 4

I thought it was useless until spirit was telling me about it, definitely not a bad weapon at all

[frail bloom]

Nvm I got 20 min

[frail bloom]

Ye it absolutely destoys the vagary champion

If you spray it on a pinky rider, it's gone in mere seconds

Same with any weapon but the pulverizer is no different

Every weapon is useful

I use the shredder on bosses like komodoes

[frank turtle]

least useful is grenade launcher probs

[frank turtle]

oo might try that

[frail bloom]

Depends on the playstyle

[frank turtle]

the sound of the shedder is top tier 👌

[frail bloom]

I tried lobbing grenades with the 3 cyberdemon secret and it tore through them

It's a weapon you use to camp with basically

[frank turtle]

i miss the old pfp

[frail bloom]

Rhymes with grug

[frank turtle]

good animated movie tho

[frail bloom]

Think of it this way

Hugo looks like grug

[frank turtle]

LMAO

[frail bloom]

So I have hugo as my pfp

[empty sable]

Grenade launcher works better when you turn on auto aim lol

[frail bloom]

Well

I have it off

Y'know what tell me what weapons you think are lame and I'll try playing around with them

[empty sable]

Without it I think it sucks. Rocket launcher is just more practical to me. You shoot the ground and it explodes. Grenade needs to be exact.

[frail bloom]

So far shredder, pulverizer and grenade launcher are the big 3

[frail bloom]

I mean with clusters it goes everywhere

[empty sable]

Think I didn't upgrade it lol No wonder it sucked.

[frail bloom]

Ye without upgrades it's pretty meh

But y'know that ain't the weapons fault

You gotta upgrade it yourself

[empty sable]

Devs fault 💯

[frail bloom]

Gah

Poor hugo

[cloud obsidian]

👍

[silent surge]

hmm so if i quit mid pandemonium, i lose a sigil, dont i

[rare wolf]

I didn't but you have to do the level again

[empty sable]

Yes. You should stop quitting and be a no lifer. Embrace the design.

[rare wolf]

although I closed app just to be safe

[hasty stone]

Jesus the komodo is aggressive

Seems late game it's more aggressive?

[patent robin]

im about to finish my nm 100% run, what do yall think i should try next?

[patent robin]

i discovered cannibalism (the upgrade) on my second play through and its saved my life fighting super heavies

[empty sable]

I like the Combat Shotgun a lot with igniting demons. It gets overlooked because everyone loves Super Shotgun so much.

[sonic turret]

He attacks with intent, sure. You can turn the demon aggression down though, if he's too much for you.

[pliant sonnet]

||what's the deal with king novik? when he's near the slayer, he acts loyal and respectful. but whenever he gets the chance, he talks in an ambiguous way about the slayer. i sincerely thought he was going to reveal himself as a traitor at some point in the end of the game||

[empty sable]

The way I see it is that nobody trusts Doomguy and they just use him as their own personal weapon. It's like Superman, they are scared of what they can't control and they never will be able to control him. King Novik respects his strength and commitment to destroying demons even if the trust isn't always there.

[pliant sonnet]

i think the only one that truly trusts him is Thira

that's why he does everything to save her

||i even thought they'd end up being together at the end||

she's the only one that doesn't fear him i suppose, all the others do

but yea your comment makes sense. they all fear him because of how committed he is to his purpose

[empty sable]

Nah, his true love is killing demons. Hugo put an end to that.

[pliant sonnet]

hugo?

[empty sable]

Yes. He confirmed in a stream that there is nothing between him and Thira. All the shippers out there were on a rampage lol

[pliant sonnet]

not just demons. anything corrupted, like the makyr

[pliant sonnet]

LOL yea, i didnt think there was. but there could have been for sure. doesnt he have a wife and kids at some point?

[empty sable]

In the past and his rabbit.

[pliant sonnet]

what past? before Dark Ages?

do u recommend any doom slayer lore video? at this point im very confused lol

[empty sable]

They would have died around DOOM II. It was when demons invaded Earth.

[patent robin]

theres tons om youruve

youtube

[pliant sonnet]

hmm, so it's way after DA?

[pliant sonnet]

i want the best

doom I and II come after Eternal canonically?

[empty sable]

Dark Ages is after the classic doom games.

[patent robin]

way before

[pliant sonnet]

after? wait what lol

i thought it was in the past, ya know. medieval shit

[patent robin]

DOOM 1, DOOM 2, DOOM 64, DARK AGES, 2016, ETERNAL

thats the timeline

[pliant sonnet]

hmm

weird. i thought DA was meant to be in the middle ages lol

what about Doom 3?

[empty sable]

Just different part of the galaxy. Eternal has flashbacks to when he was fighting in arena and stuff. One would say it's an alternate universe he's in, comparable to Earth as these are humans.

[patent robin]

the midevial part comes from the fact that he isnt on earth. after doom 64 (i think) he ended up on the planet Argent D’Nur (where TDA takes place) and was taken in by the Sentinels as a foreigner and they eventually realized his lust for killing demons matched their own, so they decided to make him a front lines fighter and so on

[pliant sonnet]

yea, i remember the arena flashbacks

[pliant sonnet]

got it

[patent robin]

im still not sure how he ended UP on argent dnur cs idk if that was ever explained in the codex

[pliant sonnet]

so his wife and child were killed in DOOM I/II?

and that's why he became thirsty for demon blood?

[empty sable]

Back in classic DOOM games he was just a regular guy clearing out a base of demons and then went to Earth, that's where he apparently found his dead family from the new expanded lore. That's why people make the joke, they killed his bunny and he went on a rampage like John Wick lol

[patent robin]

^

[pliant sonnet]

LOL yea i knew about the bunny

just didnt know I and II were before all the newer games

i thought they were the last

[empty sable]

Different parts of the universe, that's all.

[patent robin]

he was a marine who got sent to space for defying orders to fire on unarmed civilians, so his punishment was getting sent to space. demons invade mars, blah blah, slayer ends up going home and finds out earth was raided and his family died

[pliant sonnet]

yea, i know the I and II lore

lol firing at unarmed civilians doesnt look like the doom slayer

[empty sable]

Dark Ages is way before 2016. Before the Testaments that are talked about in 2016 and Eternal.

[pliant sonnet]

oh yea, that i knew

i just didnt know it was before I and II

[patent robin]

theres a ton of theories that when he ended up on argent dnur that he was actually put into a different universe and that the earth in eternal isnt the same earth from doom II

its so cool when you actually dig into it

[pliant sonnet]

damn

[empty sable]

Since he was a regular guy in classic doom games and is basically a god in Dark Ages. Unsure how you missed it lol but now you know 🙂

[patent robin]

thats where the divinity machine comes in

he was basically turned into a demigod

before the events of dark ages ofc

[pliant sonnet]

oh yea, i know he was just an average joe in I and II lol. i mean, they changed him a lot in the latest games

but yea that's why i asked about a lore video LOL, im a bit confusedf

[patent robin]

i had honestly thought that TDA was gonna be around the time taras nabad was invaded but its actually later then that

[patent robin]

i get that cs its so confusing now but it all ties together imo, if i can find the one i watched ill send it to you

[pliant sonnet]

i mean, i didnt read THAT MUCH of the lore in the games lol

[patent robin]

i never really read the codex until TDA i was watching lore videos ngl

[pliant sonnet]

i had some idea

[pliant sonnet]

yea, and i dont have all the codices yet

but he made him so well without him speaking a word (mostly)

[stoic forge]

Hey I know this is just my first run but I feel like this game has less potential for meta optimization than Eternal. What do the elites think?

[pliant sonnet]

like when he's stuck in that snow globe

[patent robin]

i honestly love the lore of these games, a lot of the old heads will say that the new lore sucks but its honestly cool asf imo

[empty sable]

There's a lot of cool lore they have put in. You can delve into it or just sum it up with - Doomguy just loves ripping and tearing into demons and demons scared shitless. The end. lol

[pliant sonnet]

he doesnt think twice. he knows his only choice is taking off that makyr thing in him, even if it might kill him. but he knows it's the only way so he does it without thinking. he's careless about what might happen as long as he beats demons

[patent robin]

real

[pliant sonnet]

like he's 100% pragmatic

like when he shoots himself on the surface of mars LOL

in Eternal

like "i dont give a flying fuck about anything as long as i can kill demons and the corrupted"

[patent robin]

i simplify it like this

“marine kills demons in space, finds out his rabbit dies on earth to the demons, goes on a rampage, ends up in another planet, goes on some more rampage, ends up back in space and then back on earth with some more rampage in between”

[pliant sonnet]

he could empty hell for sure

[patent robin]

hes literally killed every possible demon leader like

[pliant sonnet]

||also the kreed makyr death was satisfying af||

[empty sable]

That's why I'm still confused about Eternal fanatics. They were like I loved Eternal, but Dark Ages doesn't look like DOOM, something was off. The fact that later levels in Eternal look exactly like Dark Ages aesthetically. It was already there, wtf are they talking about lol

[patent robin]

spider mastermind x2, icon of sin x2 (one time reawakened), ||prince of hell||, mother of all demons like

[pliant sonnet]

i rly like that part in "II. Demigod", from the 2016 OST

unbreakable, incorruptible, unyielding

[pliant sonnet]

LOL yea

[patent robin]

dark ages is as doom as doom gets imo

[stoic forge]

I just barely beat that for the first time. Had to use a sigil

[patent robin]

best game out of the modern trilogy

[pliant sonnet]

but remember, it's just not demons, it's anything corrupted, like the makyr

we need doom slayer in our world LOL

[patent robin]

idk if anyone else agrees but i want more maykr lore ngl

[pliant sonnet]

yea, i dont get the complaints. each game is great on its own

[patent robin]

all we know is that theyre a race of gods created by davoth, we know a little bit about the khans but theres not much explanation about the maykr race

[pliant sonnet]

i loved them all. and it's not common nowadays for big gaming companies to pull 3 great games in sequence. ppl should be thankful for that

[pliant sonnet]

what i know about them is that kreed was a bitch and deserved that awesome death LOL

[split gate]

Eternal fanatics are strange af, they know nothing about Doom

[empty sable]

My problem with Eternal is parkour and ammo issues. Pretty sure Doomguy was trying out for the Olympics or something, jumping around like he's on speed.

[patent robin]

it is very hard for a triple a game studio to drop 3 bangers in a row

[pliant sonnet]

LOL

i rly like Eternal. it's hard af, much harder than Dark Ages

i wanna replay it. also havent played TAG 1 and 2 yet

[pliant sonnet]

yea, i dont get ppl complaining, jfc

[patent robin]

i honestly find it cool

i see it as hes going from a standing and fighting with a shield, to having some movement and then he upgrades his own suit and turns himself into a fighter jet

[pliant sonnet]

2016 is the most doom-ish game, it's true. the game play, the aesthetics, it feels a lot like Doom. then they expanded on Eternal and Dark Ages. and im fine with it lol

[empty sable]

I do kind of wish they had a dash in Dark Ages though. Only to help with dodging at times. Makes sense with them wanting you to parry as much as you should.

[pliant sonnet]

parrying was rly fun. but dashing was master fun LOL

you blinked in Eternal, you were dead

it was hard af. i liked it

[patent robin]

i really wish we got more lore about the wretch, we know so little about the praetor suit

[pliant sonnet]

in DA, at some point the game becomes easy, when you have a lot of upgrades etc

[patent robin]

crank the difficulty

[pliant sonnet]

like killing cyber demons becomes rly easy with the chainshot and dreadmace

[patent robin]

that’s how doom was meant to be played

[pliant sonnet]

yee i might try that. i finished it recently, so im having a break lol

[empty sable]

And I admit, I'm geographically challenged in games so parkour stuff was a headache for me. Not as bad as it could be though.

[patent robin]

i just finished 100% nm run

[half plaza]

I really hope they make us pay for saying the game is easy in the DLC

[patent robin]

that was run number 2

[pliant sonnet]

awesome

[patent robin]

just like they did w eternal bro holy

[pliant sonnet]

im not 100% yet, but i finished nm run too

[half plaza]

They need to be consistent this time

[pliant sonnet]

almost 100% tho

[half plaza]

If DLC 1 is ballbusting DLC 2 needs to be as well

[pliant sonnet]

also - exploration. it was great in DA, i wanted to explore and find everything

[patent robin]

i was really good at eternal and those dlcs literally kicked my ass

[patent robin]

some of the puzzles hurt my pea brain

[empty sable]

Are we getting DLC 2? I wish.

[pliant sonnet]

i havent played the dlcs yet, im in for a treat then LOL

[pliant sonnet]

some maps like Siege, it was huuuge, i liked it

[half plaza]

Well i'm just assuming so

[patent robin]

im pretty sure its gonna be 2

[pliant sonnet]

they announced dlc 1 already?

[patent robin]

or itll be one long ass dlc

[half plaza]

No

[empty sable]

Comes with Premium Edition/Upgrade.

[patent robin]

they said theres gonna be dlc post-launch but nothing else

[pliant sonnet]

ah

[patent robin]

im honestly hyped asf for something i know nothing ab

[pliant sonnet]

so it's already planned?

[patent robin]

dlc is gonna be lit

[pliant sonnet]

since a lot of ppl are saying DA is easy i bet they're gonna make the DLCs hard af

even harder than Eternal I bet

[empty sable]

Yes, they are working on it. You gotta watch interviews or teases lol Stay up to date. I'm a bit of no lifer so I get it lol the ending it looks like we will be assaulting hell

[pliant sonnet]

LOL yea im a bit lost, i played the game but havent been looking into stuff. i also told youtube to stop recommending me DA videos cuz spoilers

but now i need to fix the algo lol

but good to know there's already a DLC in production. and well the end of the game does make you feel like you'll assault hell. just wondering who'll be the final boss

[empty sable]

Hugo said it's a big dlc, really "meaty" whatever that means.

[pliant sonnet]

yum

also, what about Doom 3? is it not cannon?

[empty sable]

I wouldn't mind a couple dlcs. For me, I feel like they have the groundwork for more content and story to tell. You make such a great game might as well use its system to put out more. That's just the way I see it. Others probably claim they should have put it all out as one thing, but the main game itself had a lot in it, beginning and end.

[pliant sonnet]

100% agree with you. more stuff in the main game would have made it too long

it was the perfect size IMO

i was 100% satisfied when I finished it

[empty sable]

And the fact they are working on it after they finished the actual main game. This is new content later. I did think the ending was strange, almost a cliffhanger, but that's because it leads into the dlc most likely.

[empty sable]

Hugo said it's canon which means it's canon. Hugo is Batman!

[unkempt thicket]

The appearance of Vagary might mean it’s canon.

Perhaps the ties are not really there yet but we might eventually know it. Remember on how 2016 was apparent to be a direct followup of 64 (and now, after The Dark Ages for sure)

[pliant sonnet]

is it after 2?

[pliant sonnet]

Vagary would be the Sarge? i played 3 along time ago, i dont remember

[unkempt thicket]

That’s Sabaoth, the Doom Hunter-like thing.

[pliant sonnet]

ah right

[unkempt thicket]

I have a personal canon that Doom 3 takes place moments before the original Doom starts, showing how Hell came to invade.

Different POV and place.

[pliant sonnet]

yea you have a point, cuz at the end of 3 we see UAC overtaken right

[mild loom]

Doom the dark ages, more like doom the unoptimized ages

[pliant sonnet]

LOL rly?

i found it amazing that when u die, the reload is VERY fast

so fast sometimes i didnt even notice it was ready

that was amazing tbh

[mild loom]

Shhh lemme find the goobers who actually agree with the stupid sentiment I just shared, need 2 clown on them

[empty sable]

He confirmed that DOOM 3 is canon and links back to the other numbered games through Doom 64. DOOM 3 was more of a reboot which is probably why so many ask this question. It just takes a place in a different dimension. That's how everything gets to be canon, Doomguy surfing the dimensional planes lol

[pliant sonnet]

LOL but rly, the reload was amazingly fast, I was impressed

[pliant sonnet]

lol Doom multiverse. it's the most different doom (and the weakest in the series although it is good), so i was wondering if it was there. also cuz the Doom guy in 3 doesnt seem like the Doom guy, he just looks like a regular marine

[mild loom]

It’s not just that, but even the lowest end hardware can run the game on 60 fps with maxed out settings. It’s amazing, and it looks far better than its predecessor eternal

[pliant sonnet]

not a bloodthirsty beast

[pliant sonnet]

yea, absolutely. i mean my pc would get rly hot LOL, but i mean considering the graphics it's justified

[mild loom]

Yeah you might need a repaste

And a sexy undervolt

[pliant sonnet]

yea, ive been postponing that LOL

but i mean, it ran ok, it's just that it's the game that makes my pc the hottest lol

[empty sable]

Even google is confused and keeps saying DOOM 3 can't be canon lol Feel bad for it.

[pliant sonnet]

there's one thing that disappointed me in DA tho, the glory kills. most were just the doom guy kicking or throwing the shield saw

[mild loom]

It still leads to degradation, I’d say do it as soon as you can

[pliant sonnet]

while in 2016 we had several glory kills for even fodder demons

[mild loom]

They’re Moreso Easter eggs than anything

[pliant sonnet]

for sure, i will do that. luckily it's rly cold here now ,but i will

[pliant sonnet]

yea, but it's so cool. remember how crazy everyone was in the 2016 reveal cuz of it?

in the Eternal reveal as well, the kills with the blade

i loved jump glory kills

[mild loom]

I think it was a good decision personally, in doom 2016 and eternal glory kills gave you breathers in between the combat, in TDA the game slows down slightly every time you parry successfully. I think it would have slowed the gameplay TOO much

[unkempt thicket]

I see the Doom 3 guy as a different character to the Doomguy/Slayer indeed

[pliant sonnet]

or breaking their legs and hitting them

[unkempt thicket]

Would it be cool if they one day cross paths?

[pliant sonnet]

maybe. but there could be at least a few more lol. most were just the same

[empty sable]

In the interviews you likely didn't watch 😛 They said it just made things smoother for reducing glory kills because in Eternal every few seconds was a glory kill and they thought it was excessive.

[mild loom]

Maybe

[pliant sonnet]

yea, he looks very different. a regular guy lol

[pliant sonnet]

gimme them interviewsss lol

i thought maybe they removed glory kills cuz they didnt have time, glad to know that wasnt the case

DA Slayer feels heavier and tankier, so i guess it makes sense that there are less glory kills

[unkempt thicket]

If only the unique death animations from 2016 returned though

[pliant sonnet]

but remember removing the burning ball from the mancubus and making it swallow it, just for it to explode? it was so cool LOL

[pliant sonnet]

yea

or throwing a grenade inside a cacodemon and it exploding inside

ripping the cacodemon's eye off, so many cool GK

[empty sable]

Glory kills are still present. It's just not as much.

[pliant sonnet]

yea, they cut a lot of them

i think that's my only complaint

about DA

[unkempt thicket]

Should have been made a trademark way of killing the Caco, the easy and quick method.

[empty sable]

Hopefully in the dlc we will get some kind of melee blade with some interesting finishers. I know he's had a lot of blades in the past which is likely why they wanted to go other routes.

[pliant sonnet]

LOL for sure

[pliant sonnet]

yea, i mean, being tankier it makes sense that he wouldnt have a lot of mobility, time or will to make complex finishes

and instead just kicking, throwing the shield etc

[unkempt thicket]

But wait are there even any grenades in TDA?

[pliant sonnet]

also i liked that they made the Slayer more human. his facial expressions are quite revealing

[pliant sonnet]

just the grenade launcher

not like the shotgun grenade in Eternal

grenade launcher demoman style LOL

[empty sable]

I still like the power gauntlet. Boxing with demons. Badass.

[summer temple]

My favorite melee weapon by far

[pliant sonnet]

after getting the dreadmace i didnt use the rest, but yea it was cool

the flail was rly cool too, but the dreadmace was so good lol

[unkempt thicket]

First debuted on the 2016 multiplayer (part of DLC)

[empty sable]

You basically have unlimited charges with it.

[pliant sonnet]

oh ok, i didnt remember

[summer temple]

Absolutely, dishes out a lot of damage and it doesn’t have a long windup like the dread mace

[pliant sonnet]

maxing dreadmace, with parry, you get like 3 charges at once pretty much lol

killing the cyberdemon is rly ez once u get the parry perk in the dreadmace

i feel it's easier to kill the cyberdemon with the dreadmace than an arachnotron lol

[empty sable]

How? I maxed it out and still took forever.

[pliant sonnet]

there was that parry perk, if you parried you'd temporarily get an extra charge

let's say you used the dreadmace once. it was charging. then you parried (reloads your dreadmace faster). you'd have like 2 - 3 charges

i'd maul the cyberdemon like that

[empty sable]

Yeah, but you had to time it when you had one. I'm too lazy for all that lol It was awesome when it worked out though.

[pliant sonnet]

yea

but i mean, killing the CD was rly rly ez with maxed dread lol

[summer temple]

Dreadmace works well on the bosses

[empty sable]

With the gauntlet I was constantly hitting demons. It just feels like you're never without a charge and you're a boxer for life lol

[pliant sonnet]

yea

[pliant sonnet]

doom slayer style

dreadmace was like the chainsaw in eternal. refilling all ur ammo was rly good

[empty sable]

If only your melee charges didn't reset when changing weapons. That would be insanity.

[pliant sonnet]

now im curious. im gonna try that later LOL

try using the dreadmace with the cyberdemon, it's gonna be mad ez to kill it

dreadmace + chainshot

[summer temple]

The only thing I kind of miss were the cool ass intro cards for the missions in 2016. Wish they were in the other games because they go hard

[pliant sonnet]

for the demons? yea, in eternal too

[empty sable]

It reminded me of Arkham Origins with the Shock Gloves.

[pliant sonnet]

remember the arachnotron intro?

[pliant sonnet]

havent played it, but i can imagine lol

well gtg frens

it's rly late here. nice talking to u. if u find a cool lore video plz send it to me

[empty sable]

Play it. Now. It has my favorite Joker in it.

[pliant sonnet]

i have a hard time playing new games, i mostly play retro lol. or if the game is a continuation of retro games like doom

also I see you are horde from warcraft, right? nice

[empty sable]

Yeah, my several characters. I main DH for quest stuff. Illidan is the best. Miss him. I got near full maxed out Hero gear through Delves for DH. Cosmetics are forever, but gear comes and goes.

[summer temple]

I mean the title cards before the level starts, such as the second level being called “know your enemy”

Small thing but they were still cool

[pliant sonnet]

awesome! omg I miss Illy too. he'll return in the next xpac, right? tbh im afraid of it, his ending was perfect. I'm an orc shaman

[pliant sonnet]

oh, i dont remember that, gotta check it. but i rly liked the demon intros too

[summer temple]

Also I thought your pfp was a quake 2 strogg for a second

[pliant sonnet]

oooh no, it's the necromancer from diablo 2. badass

hence my name lol

[summer temple]

Gotcha

[empty sable]

Unsure. When we don't see that light floating in the sky most likely he'll return. Wtf is it lol You know where Sargeras and apparently the Titans are that are actually all bad, but are tricking us hard lol

[pliant sonnet]

i didnt play too much quake. my pc wouldnt run it when they came out. but i played quake online some time ago and it was rly fun

[pliant sonnet]

devs have confirmed he'll return. im happy and sad at the same time lol. im rly afraid they'll ruin him

[empty sable]

Chris Metzen is back though. It's all good despite some stuff. I'm sure you know about Quinton Flynn situation poor Kael.

[empty sable]

Btw did you know that Undermine existed since 1999? Chris Metzen created it way back then. It's his creation. Funny how it only took 26 years to see the light of day 🙂

[summer temple]

I’ve only played the quake 1 & 2 remasters. I’m a recent fan so that’s why

[empty sable]

No shame in that. I'm pretty recent for DOOM. Played the old games in the past, but it was so long ago. Got into the new trilogy with Eternal launch, playing off and on. Played Quake back in the day too.

[summer temple]

I’ve played through basically every doom game (with the exception of the doom rpg games) and their official expansions. Though I had to save scum my way through the Plutonia experiment and even then it was still extremely difficult

If these games were a drug, I’d have overdosed by now

[empty sable]

Saving was made for a reason lol

[summer temple]

You aren’t wrong. I don’t know how people do this stuff on nightmare without saving

[empty sable]

Honestly, it was only a couple years ago I learned that people think saving is something bad in gaming. I grew up playing RPGs like KOTOR so I'd constantly quick save before making dialogue choices to see different routes.

[summer temple]

It’s seen as taboo in fps games specifically because you can brute force your way through encounters

[empty sable]

Makes sense. Seems like it has a lot to do with showing off and testing one's ability in the game more than anything. It's why Dark Ages now has a permanent asterisk next to the difficulty if the sliders are ever changed.

[summer temple]

That was because people kept saying they beat ultra nightmare when they just modified the sliders to make it significantly easier. But yeah that’s why I now try to cut down on quicksaving when I can. That is when the game doesn’t put me in a maze filled only with +15 fucking archviles

[frank turtle]

learning to clip through walls/gates Is very useful if u ever get softlocked

it's helped me twice already

[unkempt thicket]

Or you might say, in a maze where you’re Hunted by the archviles.

[woven geyser]

Can someone help me? I just finished the final mission of the game, and now all my chapters that I completed 100% are reset like I never played them. All my weapons and upgrades are gone too.

[meager vortex]

save is gone?

[woven geyser]

Save is still there

[zealous crag]

Im doing an un run and i made it way harder with sliders, but i Will get the same indication than people who made it easier ?

[split gate]

I think it’s the same

[frank turtle]

idk I think the first encounter on belly of the beast Is the scariest encounter in the game for me

on ultra nightmare atleast

[merry sapphire]

Yeah

[merry sapphire]

for me its the encounter right before getting the bfc. cause it actually did end my ultra nightmare run

[split gate]

I got stuck on that arena in my first playthrough

[merry sapphire]

it sucks so much

[split gate]

I just run from the Komodo and spam him with rocket launchers, I’m not standing and fighting it with the Revenant

[zealous crag]

Idk why , but on my runs I Die a lot on level 4 because you dont have many options at this moment , but after i start siege 1 it goes very Well until some fights in the forest wich are way harder imo

I also play with every slider to max except speed wich is to 120%

[zealous crag]

You can spam cycler on revenant , it kills him very quickly when not in Ghost form , then it stuns komodo with electricity arc and you have time to swap/find healthpack

[merry sapphire]

yeah but the Cycler is #BoringAsHell

[zealous crag]

But dont you find the first plasma weapon very weak in every way compared to the cycler btw ? I almost never used it after the level when you first get it , it ask you to be very close and the damage trade is not worth it at all

[zealous crag]

And yeah no I love it personally especially Well upgraded

[merry sapphire]

both are #BoringAsHell to me #NGL

[delicate grotto]

When I started to do the mastery challenge for it I discovered it’s actually pretty good for larger focus demons. Like Aggadons. I can see it fitting certain playstyles. Not nearly as useless as I first believed it to be.

Pulverizer remains to be bottom tier though.

[zealous crag]

Yeah i can picture it being good for a 1v1, but not nearly as good as the ball Launcher or spike thrower

( I dont have the actual english names in mind as I dont play in english so Mb but i think you get it 😆)

[crisp storm]

Hi I just joined the server

I'm playing Dark Ages rn and I'm on chapter 6

[frail bloom]

Hugo himself announced master levels, slo mo slider, potentially other game modes
#screenshots message

[frail bloom]

That is abt to change

[void pollen]

fully upgraded accelerator supremacy

if you're using it right it will have shredded through anything by the time you charge up the heat blast

[zealous crag]

Waiting so harrrrrrrd for master levels

It was my favorite thing in eternal

[void pollen]

I hope it's a proper slider so I can do full hitstop

[frail bloom]

Ye a slider would be better than a toggle option

Ye accelerator goes nuts

I find it fun to use, timing your heatblast at the right moment

[zealous crag]

Yeah i dont doubt it , its just not something I want to use due to better options at the same range , but its my opinion for sure

[frail bloom]

I find it much better for bosses

[void pollen]

I just ran a ridiculous DPS build on my first playthrough

Doing a bit of experimenting on my third run rn. UV with maxed aggression & projectile speed and minimum parry window

[fallen owl]

hey guys

do someone have bug that game doesn't want to open?

[stoic sleet]

I fw u now

[zealous crag]

Uv is really a joke imo, dont be scared of nightmare its not that much harder

[void pollen]

I'm basically playing on NM sliders and then some lol

[void pollen]

earth-shaking dap

[stoic sleet]

earthquake causes lightsaber to turn on and kill all the younglings

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-starwars-darthvader-gif-5533636

[zealous crag]

Such a tragedy… turns on his own youngling slayer 9000

[stoic sleet]

The YNS 9000

[zealous crag]

Fun fact during the scene of the gif Christensen actually screamed to make him have this reaction

[frail bloom]

Doesn't he kill the children

[stoic sleet]

He kills them

Well, I* kill them

[frail bloom]

Damn

Seems grim for star wars

[stoic sleet]

Yeah and also its about wars

[frail bloom]

Got me there

[frail bloom]

I hope they design new enemies for dlc, and not tag 2 reskins or model swaps from tag 1

I just saw a cosmic mancubus and it's nuts

[harsh egret]

The art team has been cooking like crazy, they just need the time for all this

[stoic sleet]

Damn, must be traumatising

[plush river]

What shield runes does anyone use? I use heaven splitter

[stoic sleet]

Swords forever

[plush river]

Nice

[stoic sleet]

Etheral Daggers i think

[plush river]

Yeah holy swarm

[lunar minnow]

The turret.

[frail bloom]

Ye I really wanna see what other stuff didn't get in the game, it gives an idea of what we might see next

[stoic sleet]

Bro

[plush river]

I like that one

[stoic sleet]

Ur nerfing urself gang

[lunar minnow]

I love that rune so much.

[plush river]

I just don’t use it that much because it kind of ruins the window for glory strikes and kills

[stoic sleet]

It doesn’t look cool at all and im pretty sure its the weakest

[fleet spruce]

I stopped using turret when it was finishing off the glory kill state demons

[plush river]

Me 2

[lunar minnow]

Well, I like it.
It's really fun to use.

[frail bloom]

#artwork message

I would honestly cry

Seeing that

[stoic sleet]

U summon an earthquake, swarm them with powerful holy daggers, strike lightning on them, and a shoulder turret that shoots small gun bullets

[frail bloom]

It's a cosmic manc on a tank

Rhymes with grug

[stoic sleet]

Whats gonna be next Cosmic Ahzrak?

[frail bloom]

I think it would be really cool to be able to switch between runes and melee

But they tried going with the less complicated approach

[stoic sleet]

I just wish i could switch rune and melee faster

Like hold r3 instead of press

[frail bloom]

I mean they could use the arrow keys on console

To switch melee or runes

Instead of the menu

It's fine tho

[stoic sleet]

Maybe its for balancing purposes

[fleet spruce]

That's a fucking tank made out of flesh

hopefully that kinda stuff from concept arts will come to life in the DLC

[stoic sleet]

Its my sister

Looks exactly like her

[fleet spruce]

lol, lmao even

[frail bloom]

Yup and it would move around instead of being passive ai

I thought the tanks would move in tda

But NOOOOOO

[stoic sleet]

Why not make a demon that can steal ur gun

[frail bloom]

They're glorified turrets

[frail bloom]

Well, each gun is viable

So imma switch to another one

[stoic sleet]

Yeah but losing ur shredder AND impaler can be dangerous

[frail bloom]

Nah cycler

Accelerator

[stoic sleet]

Accelerator supremacy

[frail bloom]

Triple burst shotgun

[stoic sleet]

What if theres 3 in an arena?

[frail bloom]

Uh uh well rocket launcher

[stoic sleet]

What if theres 6 in an arena

[frail bloom]

I can go by with just the pulverizer

Easy, cuz I'm practicing with it

[stoic sleet]

What if theres 16 in an arena

[fleet spruce]

That one is absolutely nuts, recently found myself using it more than ssg

[frail bloom]

Yup way more useful

[stoic sleet]

The ssg fell of so heavy

[frail bloom]

Well Imma melee and parry

[stoic sleet]

Had a worse downfall than voldemort

[frail bloom]

It's a very good general use weapon for normies

[stoic sleet]

What if they could steal every method of damage u have

[fleet spruce]

That's not really an issue cause there's impaler and chainshot

[frail bloom]

Sliders plus ground falters

[stoic sleet]

What if they also remove ur divine power?

[frail bloom]

And barrels

Barrels do a lot

[stoic sleet]

What if they remove you from the game?

[frail bloom]

...

I call it doom eternal

Rhymes with grug

[stoic sleet]

What if they reroute the universe to remove all doom games?

[fleet spruce]

dunno, move a pebble near id software hq when traveling to 1993?

[stoic sleet]

My dream is to fight 3 aggadons at once

[frail bloom]

Just fight 3 cyberdemons

[fleet spruce]

I love bringing shield up when i hear something and automatically doing parry as a result

[stoic sleet]

Fodderdemons*

impaler food

[frail bloom]

Well they're more menacing than eternal's

[stoic sleet]

Yeah but in eternal they look like a baby

[frail bloom]

Eternal's is a big dummie

Just freeze them and falter them

[stoic sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrant-lego-lego-pieces-death-ragdoll-gif-9275894573415590279

[austere tiger]

chat i finished the dark ages

on my ps5. its a pretty good game i'd give it a strong 7.5/10

[minor plinth]

Im still confused on how you get the shield saw profile thingy

I guess it wont work for gamepass

[lunar minnow]

Partnership with Discord.

It's not available anymore to people who did it grab it.

[minor plinth]

gamepass on pc*

if its a quest

[minor plinth]

well where do you get it then

[lunar minnow]

You can't anymore.

[minor plinth]

you made it sound like you cant once youve claimed it already

[lofty rover]

Hi guys

👍

[lunar minnow]

Oh, my bad!
I meant that you can't get it anymore because the time you had to get the decoration has expired.

[minor plinth]

sadge :(

[warm leaf]

Gutted i didnt read the sys req for this, now i have this game that i can't play lol maybe in the future and i get lucky to win a decent gaming pc as mine is starting to lag on the benefits of next gen gaming 😦

[minor plinth]

hi

[lunar minnow]

Indeed. :(

[hard thistle]

The Roblox One

[fleet spruce]

just wait and upgrade when you get the chance

I was using a GT 645M/Pentium B980 laptop from 2012 to 2018

right now a proud ROG Ally X owner and can play Doom The Dark ages anywhere

I could have gotten a very good desktop but i have nowhere to place it nor does it align with my needs lol

[sweet jasper]

[zealous crag]

I upgraded for this game actually

Worth it but Im a Doom fan

[sage heart]

[ornate swallow]

The concept art is now public. Is there a place where I can talk about that?

Some of the concepts that were scrapped are really crazy!

[lunar minnow]

Here would most likely be the appropriate channel sense it's related to the game.

since*

[sonic turret]

You can't get it anymore, it was a limited timed exclusive.

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-15980962764398322199

[foggy breach]

Bruh, I keep thinking of that Mancubus art with the tentacles mouth, MISSED OPPORTUNITY.

[harsh egret]

i think there will always be a bias towards what there isnt just cuz u get used to what there is in the game

sure additional stuff would also be cool but the time constrains just dont allow it, hopefully they are cooking for master levels and dlc and whatever else

[delicate grotto]

I’d love to see some of those scrapped Cosmic designs be reinstated in the DLC.

[harsh egret]

yep

[delicate grotto]

Very excited for the new monsters. Really hoping for a Pain Elemental.

[frail bloom]

Cosmic tank mancubus is top 5 designs

[frail bloom]

Hugo in the first stream said an archvile and pain elemental in dlc would be a good suggestion but that only confirms that he acknowledges the lack of their existence in tda

[delicate grotto]

Interesting

[harsh egret]

I mean they already said there would be an arch vile equivalent that works better for this game

Aka the acolyte

You know what they say... Hugo says alot of things..

[frail bloom]

Eh. Sure the eternal archvile wouldn't have worked. But the classic archvile could work for sure. He himself has a hitscan attack and resurrects enemies. I'm not sure abt the resurrecting but since those blue demon totems spawn other demons the archie can also spawn stuff I guess. The acolyte is a joke

Plus he can be shield stunned so he's a pretty sad replacement

[harsh egret]

I can agree to the fact that the acolyte isnt as much of a threat as he should be, but even in eternal the archie is, imo, even less of a threat

Provably a byproduct of mastering the game but idk

[frail bloom]

Yes but that is eternal's archie, not the classic archie

That guy is a monster

[harsh egret]

Yeye

[frail bloom]

He could be invulnerable to a shield stun

Have a lot of health

Hitscan

[harsh egret]

We'll see what they cookin'

Make some more enemies and put them in a master level campaign

[frail bloom]

I ain't even hoping for classic demons I'm hoping for new demons that are involved in some sort of new meta and are fun to fight

[harsh egret]

Biggest ask ever

[stoic sleet]

Why not make an enemy that steals every single weapon u have

[stoic sleet]

And its invincible

[frail bloom]

That would actually be really cool and feasible

Except actually they have 22 levels, not 13

Hmmmmm

[harsh egret]

Like i said, insane ask

And I dont ezpect that ever to happen

Expect*

[frail bloom]

Ye maybe like 6 master levels

I can see that

Maybe 2 dlc master levels also

So they would use the newer enemies

[vital rapids]

Well that's a new one on me, was having a good run and an acolyte clone got stuck behind an impenetrable gate

https://tenor.com/view/the-jim-gaffigan-show-jim-gaffigan-jail-behind-bars-prison-gif-8044030505717852637

[harsh egret]

Is it on the secret encounter on the last level

[vital rapids]

That's the one!

[harsh egret]

Lmfao the exact same thing happened to a friend of mine on his first playthrough

[vital rapids]

I'm so happy right now 😬 😬 😬

You gotta laugh I guess

[harsh egret]

Yeah for him it just kinda tilted him, he isnt a doom fan but i made him play it, felt towards the end that he just wanted to get the game over with

For me it was hilarious

[vital rapids]

Yeah, I'm honestly just laughing myself. Sign of an otherwise good game I guess?

[pliant sonnet]

what happened to Kael?

[pliant sonnet]

wow, i dont, that's amazing. and i heard it was a huge success. looks like chris is making great changes

[raven sonnet]

I’ve already bought eternal and completed 2016 and eternal ages ago

[hard thistle]

Who do I need to get in contact with to make a Doom TDA Boss Rush and map maker/forge happen???

Ever since I saw the shield throw being used as a sort of grapple on those green sludge statues, I wanted to make a map using it during combat

[shell gull]

is the flail under powered?

[spare belfry]

Who’s idea was it to let Doom Slayer pilot a giant robot

Not saying it’s a bad idea
But I do not see a future where he gets out of that thing

[sly bear]

Brother same pfp

[cunning cargo]

Is there any announcements so far for any major updates?

[merry pumice]

Just completed the shredder mastery for 100%.

Hoping the master levels come soon to tide us over until the DLC :)

[meager vortex]

after asscrack is head cracked by slayer face is happy now he is hunting demons

[uncut needle]

atlan chapter 😴

[tender zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-cursed-gif-22789046

[pliant sonnet]

that gif reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i53bneSTLpY&ab_channel=DOOMGUYBOT

im the 2016 player

[tender zephyr]

Im none

[ebon pine]

my game keeps crashing on ultra nightmare at end of levels and it's really fucking annoying...

I just beat level 21 and BAM, gotta do it again

[rugged estuary]

rip

[tender zephyr]

Bro ur cooke

D

[ebon pine]

ANOTHER CRASH

[sonic turret]

Remind me, what day is Hugo streaming now?

I'm thinking of doing a lore interview with Hugo, so we can get all of the lore related questions off of our chests.

[meager vortex]

change old driver

[ebon pine]

My drivers are up to date

Nothing has changed as far as I can tell, I didnt have this many game crashes like 50 hours ago. The crash reporter is also different, so I'm guessing it's something on the games side.

[meager vortex]

what is your pc spec?

[ebon pine]

5900X, 7800XT, 64GB 3200MHz RAM, M.2 NVMe SSD

The game wasnt crashing in this manner on release or in the month after

I did finally beat it after having to play Ch 21 5 times. 1 soft lock due to weapon bug after the chain gun section (if you dash while tossing the weapon, you cant press the use key).

That soft lock has existed since launch though

[meager vortex]

maybe some bug

it will be patch soon

only time need

or check another software maybe some kind a different software crash each other

my case is dead island2 software block the doom the dark ages

[harsh egret]

Was it u who said master level coming this month

[meager vortex]

yes but the other said too

[graceful lion]

got a feeling that he'd just drop a few things that contradict the games or the games have no proof that this thing is happening

[meager vortex]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4VrG_THKXY4?feature=share

[silent egret]

Hello. I bought DDA, installed it, but when I try to launch it, I have a 10 sec black scren, then the game closes and a popup BUGSPLAT appears... How do I start the game ?

[sly sleet]

lol wtf is this with doom dark ages... you add path tracing.. I turn it on on a geforce 5080 and even at start menu I have 1fps... have to end task the game..>

Cant get into settings now

bugged?

[meager vortex]

pc spec please?

[silent egret]

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti with Max-Q Design with 16 GB of RAM (I know, it has mandatory RTX, but I found a way to circonvent it using command line on steam, and I saw peoples play the game with similar specs). I also have these launch options :
+com_skipIntroVideo 1 +r_renderAPI dx12 +r_raytracing 0 +r_fullscreen 0 +r_mode -1 +com_maxfps 60
But cant even se a singe frame of the title screen before it crashed

[meager vortex]

that is why you can't gtx is can't play

you must change rtx

gpu

you can saw steam store page

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-naked-gun-the-naked-gun-facepalm-facepalm-meme-gif-11743768702765397589

[silent egret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ5I7i1kS8g

but this guy makes it run... Why not me ?

[meager vortex]

don't belive that he is lie

it is fake news

[silent egret]

the pbm is steam... Peoples on xbox game pass can launch it no problem even without special launch options

and its fluid as hell...

[meager vortex]

because xbox launcher

[hard thistle]

just let it go man.. go play doom 3 instead 👍

[silent egret]

say that to the 70 bucks I spent

[hard thistle]

use steam refund policy

[meager vortex]

anyway don't trust that youtuber

[silent egret]

hes not the only one... Just type "doom dark ages nvidia 1660" on youtube

[meager vortex]

they are lie to you

you want play the game right?

i have a option for you

geforce now program install and use a your credit card play doom the dark ages or xbox game pass

or buy new gpu

sorry for bad news for you

[fleet spruce]

https://youtu.be/O0-PBnb3x7o?si=OyEaNntf1lAWkqLo

so basically a not steam version is required it seems

[harsh egret]

yeah isnt there some way to disable RT and shit

[silent egret]

💀

[harsh egret]

that people use to bypass the rtx gpu requirement

[silent egret]

there is. And I did it. But I get bugsplatted as soon as the game starts

[fleet spruce]

that or use linux with software emulation RT

[harsh egret]

either way i dont see why u would play the game when it looks that ass

but thats just me

[silent egret]

"F:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\DOOMTheDarkAges/DOOMTheDarkAges.exe" %command%

This launch option removes the need for RTX when you start with steam. But bugsplat comes in the play after

[meager vortex]

nah sorry it is no good

only option buy new gpu (rtx possible)

or geforce now program

[silent egret]

lmao thx... since i'm on laptop I guess I'll just buy a new laptop (only if I had the money 🤡 )

[harsh egret]

yeah im stuck on a laptop with a 3060 for the next month while on vacation, game feels like ass compared to my home setup

40-60 fps in combat with all low and dlss on performance

[silent egret]

atleast you can "feel" the game... I cant even get to title screen

[harsh egret]

i mean im not even gonna play like that

[fleet spruce]

lol, I'm playing at 30+ fps

[harsh egret]

as much as i wanted to start doing UN/pandemonium

[harsh egret]

thats crazy to me

[meager vortex]

im already have that

un/pandemonium

[harsh egret]

anything below a consistent 60-70 to me feels like complete dog water

[meager vortex]

my pc 200fps

[harsh egret]

and... yeah.. talk about consistent frames on a gaming laptop...

[meager vortex]

desktop

[fleet spruce]

I just played 2016 and Eternal on switch before so playing at subpar fps and image quality is nothing new to me

[harsh egret]

on my home setup i was playing with framegen x2 and path tracing on 120+ frames, felt so good

[minor plinth]

Does anyone have some challenge idea? It's unfortunate that only the campaign is out

[harsh egret]

so going from that to 960p dlss P and low settings 45 fps... no thanks

[harsh egret]

in about a month time there should be some pretty sick update with new stuff

[meager vortex]

i hope dlc weapon crucible show up

[minor plinth]

But a month!!

[harsh egret]

i dont think it will, not as a usable weapon

[halcyon idol]

nope

[meager vortex]

2016 codex said doom slayer get a crucible

[harsh egret]

yes, u technically can.

[halcyon idol]

literally impossible since the game was programmed around ray tracing

[halcyon idol]

no because it will literally break the game

[harsh egret]

mf look up vids about this.

[meager vortex]

oh! relax! bro

[harsh egret]

the Zullo guy literally did it himself, according to him

lmao when i say "mf" i dont mean it like that

i say it in a playful way dw

[meager vortex]

i think you samuel l jackson lol

[halcyon idol]

still impossible, ray tracing is literally linked to gameplay logic, hit detection and projectile behavior as such

[harsh egret]

its literally possible to disable some of the RT features tho lmao, what is man saying

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/Rjun0vAXI6Y

[harsh egret]

i know exactly what ur saying, but ppl have been doing this for over a month

[meager vortex]

zullo game pass version maybe work

[halcyon idol]

I was talking about comepletely turning off ray tracing

[meager vortex]

nope

[halcyon idol]

ur question was very vague, how was I supposed to know that u were only talking about a few features and not the whole lighting system

[silent egret]

yes... But I dont wana loose time trying if it ends up the same way... I'll just wait for a mod / a steam fix / buy new PC

[meager vortex]

rt is off doom the dark ages not working

[halcyon idol]

my point exactly

[harsh egret]

rt completely off*

[meager vortex]

ask to id

[harsh egret]

calling hugo as we speak

[meager vortex]

is he busy???

[split gate]

Fellas, was there a recent microupdate?

The encounter when you get the impaler for the Sentinel Barracks was slightly different

[chilly thunder]

They need to add back skins like the unicorn skin

I’d grind for that again

[harsh egret]

u sure its not just some enemy spawns? ik some enemy spawns can be random

[graceful lion]

the engine is literally built with raytracing, you cannot turn it off, you can make your gpu try to run tda tho

oh wait ur also on laptop with a 1660 ti, laptop hardware runs far worse than pc hardware

[graceful lion]

try to run raytracing*

[half spindle]

Nah, let this game be more gritty with less colourful pallets. I liked doom eternal and it’s funny skins, but let this entry be its own thing without such bizarre cosmetics. Seeing slayer in a unicorn rainbow armor fighting horrors beyond comprehension would be pretty horrendous by itself (for demons as well).

Also if you really want to play in a unicorn skin there may be mods that can help you with your wish.

[lunar minnow]

I find that some gaming laptops can run software like this at ultra with an upwards of 70 fps.

So it really depends.

But I see what you're saying, for sure.

[graceful lion]

i didnt say it cant be as good as or better than some pc hardware

[lunar minnow]

Fair point, I just woke up. 😭

[graceful lion]

but yeah, alot of pc hardware will alot of the time just straight up be stronger than laptop hardware

due tothem having alot more cooling, and alot more space in general

[lunar minnow]

That's fair, yeah.
I got a pretty good gaming laptop though which is why I thought to clarify.

[graceful lion]

and thus being able to run on much higher frequencies and wattages

[lunar minnow]

But yes, what you're saying makes sense.

[graceful lion]

yea yea, but its only 1080p ultra at 70 fpd

[lunar minnow]

I didn't consider resolution yeah.

PC's can run 4k.

Probably.

[lunar minnow]

What is fpd?

[graceful lion]

fps

[lunar minnow]

That's at ultra yes.

Which, I think is pretty good, but also, I don't have the best rig.

[graceful lion]

the 5090 is getting 170+ fps on maxxed 1080p

and 90+ fps on 4k

[lunar minnow]

170 maxxed out is insane.

That's crazy.

[graceful lion]

no upscaling

[lunar minnow]

Damn.

[graceful lion]

yeah

[lunar minnow]

Someday then.

😂

[graceful lion]

1080 to 1440p is basically double the pixels, then to 4k is double the pixels

[harsh egret]

add framegen x2 to that, the input delay on x2 is not bad whatsoever

[graceful lion]

and theres fucking 16k monitors nowadays

[lunar minnow]

So it's 4x 1080.

[lunar minnow]

💀

[graceful lion]

which is around 20-25% of what the eye's resolution is, or what we know it as

[lunar minnow]

My GPU by the way is a 4050 RTX 6GB.

[harsh egret]

i play with path tracing on 5070ti with everything maxed out and x2 framegen 1080p, its so fkin smooth

[lunar minnow]

Which, I think is pretty good personally.

I've some great experience with that card.

this*

[graceful lion]

i got a 2060 6gb

wanna upgrade to an rx 6800

[lunar minnow]

Oh nice!

[lunar minnow]

You'll get it no problem. :)

[graceful lion]

if the price goes down yeah lmao

[lunar minnow]

Hopefully there will be a sale.

[vital rapids]

Why were people telling the guy with the 1660 it's impossible to play DTDA by running the exe directly like he was lying? I thought it was common knowledge that this works for some people because that card partially supports rtx

[graceful lion]

well the gpu is like 5 years old

[lunar minnow]

You'll find something cheap then hopefully.