the-dark-ages

[graceful lion]

cry

and also...

[hard thistle]

😦

[graceful lion]

https://tenor.com/view/job-job-application-jobless-gif-2757097081210871087

[hard thistle]

WTF

[graceful lion]

thats right, A J*B

[dreamy kiln]

I'm getting one

[hard thistle]

is nothing sacred..

[frail bloom]

Job application before master levels

[graceful lion]

i wanna get paid for doin shit too

[dreamy kiln]

Fr

[wheat sigil]

i'm just waiting for the doom esport league

[graceful lion]

a good one, not just a 2k a month or something

[graceful lion]

DOOMSPORTS

i got an idea to make it interesting

u can try to break your deadlift pr with doom music if ur the winner ig

or some twist that makes u use gym equipment while listening to doom music

[frail bloom]

That can work honestly. Maybe a slayer v slayer

Or a team horde mode

[hard thistle]

big fat powerlifter between sets 😴

[wheat sigil]

last time i deadlifted my back hurt, have not tried since ‼️

[graceful lion]

gonna have a shit back

type of mfs to have back problems in their 20s

[frail bloom]

I have it

[hard thistle]

cus of Not doing deadlift?

[frail bloom]

And I'm like 16

[hard thistle]

i feel like its the opposite

[strong tiger]

After sitting on it for a while, I have to say Doom The Dark Ages was really a miss for me, i did not enjoy it and i think that's perfectly fine.

But personally i thought it did not evoke the same feeling of badassery that I was supposed to feel while playing, having a shield and combat being so focused on parrying made me feel like i was constantly on the defensive, and not "ripping and tearing"

Removal of glory kills also contributed to that greatly. The soundtrack was also incredibly lackluster, there wasn't a single instance where i'd stop from playing and go "holy shit this goes hard" which was something i was doing very frequently while playing 2016 and Eternal.

I get Mick isn't the only good metal composer but i thought this soundtrack fell flat, it was just straight up generic metal slop background music that i didn't care for.

I wish the game made me feel like a badass again, i wish i'd have a RIP AND TEAR opening again, i appreciate id for trying something new but at least for me it was a miss.

I really miss Eternal and how that game made me feel and i wish TDA made me feel the same things. I'm just very disappointed as a long time DOOM fan.

[graceful lion]

how so?, your lower back is alot stronger

[wheat sigil]

my back does currently hurt.. but i think that's just from overworking it with rad calisthenics😎

[graceful lion]

mmmmm, calisthenics

[sonic turret]

They didn't remove the glory kills, they just change the concept.

[frail bloom]

Well I disagree with every point you made, but you do you

[strong tiger]

I don't think the jump and hold "glory kills" really count, it was extremely barebones.

[hard thistle]

i think just doing more simple low back exercises is better instead of trying to lift 1000 pounds deadlift and destroying ur back

[graceful lion]

there are glory kills, this feels like a ragebait post if yo udont know that

[strong tiger]

Read what i wrote above

[hard thistle]

they do feel kinda plain tho im ngl

[wheat sigil]

do like eddie hall and go momentarily blind trying to deadlift

[graceful lion]

calling that soundtrack metal slop is just not true at all

[strong tiger]

Again i'm not trying to rage bait, i'm just a doom fan that has been kind of let down by this new addition to the franchise, and it's a shame. It feels like it was made by an entirely new team for an entirely new audience.. a more.. mainstream audience i guess.

[graceful lion]

glory kills also exist, you can literally do them on non boss enemies

[hard thistle]

lmao, did u know his trainers made him try to fully believe he was lifting a car off his family members to save them as he was doing that deadlift?

[frail bloom]

Again I disagree with him but if he dislikes what sounds like everything, what's the point in arguing

[graceful lion]

well guess what, im sorry to disappoint, but just like tda, every game will be very different from eternal

[sonic turret]

Doom isn't just about metal, it was never a complete metal soundtrack, it's always been a mixed bag. There's nothing wrong with the current composers, it's just less in your face an more atmospheric.

[graceful lion]

good point ig

[wheat sigil]

yuh i mean not easy to break the previous wr by 35kg or sum

[graceful lion]

you could do glory kills, curbstomping an enemy, cutting them in half

[frail bloom]

Ye sometimes you have people let doen by certain things or misinformed but if someone dislikes the entire game, what can you do

[strong tiger]

Maybe i was too harsh. But the fact stands that not a single track stood out. Compare that to Eternal which had VIRAL soundtracks even before the game came out. Shit was iconic.

There's just no comparison... at all

[hard thistle]

i liked TDA way more than Eternal
eternal felt too overwhelming for me PERSONALLY
i liked the slower pace of TDA way more
also the soundtrack for TDA isnt amazing but its just highly decent

[strong tiger]

Even Eternal DLC had more acceptable music

[graceful lion]

feels like you just like mick's music

[empty sable]

People live for nostalgia though. It's why PlayStation makes a remaster of the same game every few years and WoW Classic keeps coming out with expansions for "new" classes/"new" races that no one has ever seen before lol

[strong tiger]

Those are not composed by Mick, but sure

[frail bloom]

Again I disagree. Unchained predator, from the ashes, infernal chasm, into the void, unholy siege, menu music are all stand outs

[wheat sigil]

says that while the dude literally talks about non-mick music

[graceful lion]

people always go for the same phase for every game, people hated eternal when it came out

[frail bloom]

They are more thrash but they fit extremely well

Meanwhile I only have like 3 ost's added from 2016

[graceful lion]

hes saying "even eternal's dlcs were better" which were written by non mick people, but hes saying that like its a low bar, is what i feel he is implying

feels like hes trying to say eternal's music was better than the dlc's

[wheat sigil]

yeah and i mean, that's a fair take? no?

[frail bloom]

It is

[strong tiger]

For me it's the opposite. Loved Eternal straight up it felt like 2016 on steroids. I feel in love. No other game made me feel like a badass like that game did. For TDA when i finished it about a month ago i thought it was just an OKAY action game, but now my opinion of it slightly changed, it's still an OKAY action game, but a terrible DOOM game.

[graceful lion]

i never said it wasnt, im just saying what i thought he was implying

[frail bloom]

I have a different opinion tho

[sonic turret]

What difference doe it make whether or was composed by Mick Gorden, he's still not Bobby Prince, but we have to judge them all based on their own merits and what they were trying to achieve.

[graceful lion]

it is not a terrible doom game, it is literally the most similar to classic doom out of the modern trilogy

[frail bloom]

A month ago??? Bro pls replay it

[empty sable]

Well, in my view Eternal is a terrible DOOM game. So I suppose you and I have very different views on what qualifies as a DOOM game.

[graceful lion]

https://youtu.be/bNjl9CCjVp0?si=IcYnhGR35G54m_xS&t=36

[frail bloom]

They buffed the game and fixed the music mixing ingame

[graceful lion]

its 10x better now with the music fixed, seriously

[strong tiger]

Did they remove the parry slow mo effect ?

[frail bloom]

Wait he played it a month ago, that means he played it when the music was mixed like poop

[stoic sleet]

It was lowk better sometimes

[frail bloom]

The music is mixed much better now

[graceful lion]

they mentioned it and are thinking about it, and you can just mod that out easily

[hard thistle]

wtf. is that gun viewpoint a vanilla thing or mod?

[frail bloom]

It's confirmed

We don't know when but it's happening

[graceful lion]

vanilla

[strong tiger]

I mean maybe if it's the most downloaded mod maybe they should add it to the game ? Just sayin. It felt very disruptive in the gameplay loop.

[hard thistle]

how u turn on?

[empty sable]

Hugo already stated that in the OG Doom it was always about what is right in front of you which is what they wanted to capture in Dark Ages. Not jumping around like some maniac on speed.

[graceful lion]

check the settings

[graceful lion]

isnt hugo on vacation or some shit

[frail bloom]

It works well if you use it well. I turn around and chain other attacks with enemies behind me

[frail bloom]

No he did a stream on thursday

[empty sable]

If anything that jumping around deviates away from what made DOOM actually DOOM.

[strong tiger]

That doesn't really make sense as there were several instances where i had enemy attack me from behind or die to some random projectile from behind

[frail bloom]

Bro is behind

[graceful lion]

they got your feedback bro, give them time

[empty sable]

It was still on the ground. You weren't trying out for the Olympics. Very rarely was action overhead and you can easily close the gap. The fact that so many disliked the parkour, myself included comes from that parkour isn't actually in DOOM. It's about raw action.

[graceful lion]

they dont wanna just add a small update for one little thing, thats clearly not how id is

[delicate grotto]

TDA’s music has more standard composition than 2016’s or Eternal’s, making it, imo, more enjoyable to listen to outside the game. I wouldn’t call it generic metal slop because of this though… it simply achieves a different, heavier style than the argent/pop metal Mick composed. I prefer it personally but I do agree that it could’ve used a little more distinguishable riffs or melodies to help it pop during gameplay.

[frail bloom]

Ye they're doing master levels rn too

[graceful lion]

have you watched the video i sent?

[graceful lion]

mick's music felt, very repeated at times, even the dlcs

[strong tiger]

A reasonable take.

[frail bloom]

Ye 2016 has a lot of moments where it feels like noise instead of smt to bounce to

They sound nice but some are just backround

But that's rare

All composers make mistakes

No one is perfect

[graceful lion]

yea

[strong tiger]

I did take a look, idk i don't really see it.

[empty sable]

This is DOOM. Not Assassin's Creed.

[frail bloom]

Meathook for instance is so repetitive it grates me

[frail bloom]

Did you say that tda was a bad doom game?

Hold on.

[graceful lion]

basically is a modernised classic doom, and is the closest of the trilogy, which was kinda one of the things they wanted in tda

[frail bloom]

No you didn't

He didn't right

Right??

[graceful lion]

he said it was a terrible doom game

[graceful lion]

.

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[empty sable]

He did and somehow to them, Eternal is a better DOOM game

[frail bloom]

That makes zero sense.

[graceful lion]

saying eternal is closer to a doom game to tda is just crazy to me, even 2016 isnt nearly as close to classic as tda is

[strong tiger]

I will die on this hill

[graceful lion]

apologies, but you are very delusional

[frail bloom]

It's the closest to the originals

Focus on horizonal gameplay
Massive hordes
Each weapon is viable
Grounded gameplay
Bullet hell mechanics
Hitscan

[strong tiger]

The corny story alone and the cringe cutscenes make it a worse DOOM game, sorry.

[graceful lion]

the story is the best put together out of the series

[frail bloom]

What makes smt cringe

[graceful lion]

i dont see the cringe, this isnt a shitty comedy show

[empty sable]

Don't get me wrong. Eternal was good, but I always felt that jumping around and parkouring took away from the raw action that IS DOOM. Many are like there's not that much parkour and stuff like that. I disagree.

[strong tiger]

It's a nothingburger. You could skip it and it changes nothing.

[frail bloom]

It's still doom in aesthetic but it plays like quake

[graceful lion]

im just not gonna take this guy seriously anymore

[frail bloom]

Same with 2016, same with eternal

[graceful lion]

the dragon dies.

[frail bloom]

Same with every doom game ever

[graceful lion]

eternal had a bad story

[frail bloom]

Back then, and currently

It's there if you wanna see it

[strong tiger]

Eh. Again in my initial post i said Eternal made me feel godlike levels of badassery. TDA failed on that.

[frail bloom]

In terms of story? Idk I disagree

You didn't really mention what moments

[graceful lion]

eternal is the only one of its kind and is the least similar to the classic games from any doom game tbh

im gonna say it guys, eternal is not a good doom game

[delicate grotto]

I liked Azhrak and General Kreed in the story. Could give a shit about the rest of the characters ngl. I think it’s serviceable, not great, but decent enough to give purpose to the Slayer’s motives. I don’t find it any better than Eternal’s

[graceful lion]

it is basically THE worst doom game statistically speaking

[strong tiger]

Yeah story wise. Look just to clarify i don't mean to offend anyone or their opinions. You clearly like the game. That is perfectly fine. I may be wrong or biased in some of my opinions but it's what i really think. As a matter of fact i wish i was you guys and i wish i loved TDA the way you do.

[wheat sigil]

what does this phrase mean though
being a good or bad doom game

[delicate grotto]

They’re about on the same merit in terms of storytelling. Unless we count TAG, then TDA exceeds it lmao

[graceful lion]

closest to the ogs

i guess

[frail bloom]

For instance, doomslayer throwing ahzraks head, making demons flee from him in terror
Doomslayer wielding a mech, saying run to novik
Stuffing a grenade in a titans mouth
Standing ontop a pile of demons
Breaking free

Anyways I understand

[graceful lion]

not badass enough

[delicate grotto]

Let me retract that. Waking up as the zombie Slayer was peak.

[frail bloom]

Oh yeah!!!!

That was super peak

[graceful lion]

we need that shit as a skin after u beat the game once

[frail bloom]

Him dying and coming back alive

[empty sable]

Exactly, it comes down to gameplay mechanics and how it feels. As dev said all the action happens on the ground in Dark Ages. You're a tank, you stand and fight. In Eternal you're a fighter jet which is not what OG DOOM was.

You may prefer Eternal, but that's just your preference.

[strong tiger]

These are cool, but in the first half of the game you got this part of the story where you feel like a controlled weapon of mass destruction. I didn't like that. There was a cool part where you would revive and get your soul back as a zombie, that was cool. But in eternal you literally FIGHT BOTH GODS AND SATAN. Shit is insane.

[wheat sigil]

and why does that dictate a good or bad doom game? isn't every game as much doom because it's what the doom developers envisioned and wanted? and for a series that's continually evolving, well you're bound to not repeat things
maybe i'm looking at this the wrong way though

also i feel like comparing which game is harder/faster/more doomy is infeasible and not universal

[graceful lion]

true

[empty sable]

Hugo even said he wanted to get back to basics and back to what DOOM was. So I'm not going to argue with the man who made the last 3 games and is a complete and utter nerd of the genre lol

[graceful lion]

"tda was easier so its ass"
dumb statement
"eternal was hader so its good"
also dumb statement

[frail bloom]

I feel it's important to not just have badass moments but moments where you root for the main character. In tda, he is controlled against his wishes, you want him to be freed. When he breaks free, you would feel that moment of satisfaction of finally seeing him free. Again different tastes

Try another playthrough, some don't click the first time

[graceful lion]

yeah, i also dont wanna be like "ok thats really cool", i want this guy to actually win

[graceful lion]

its also alot better with the audio mixing, becuase its actually there this time

[frail bloom]

Ye and the game is buffed too

[strong tiger]

They are all good games. And all of them being different it was bound some of us will like/dislike a certain rendition of it. Like you said it's about taste and personal preference. No matter how much you try to look at it through an "objective" lens.

I will try another playthrough down the line, but just the thought of going through the whole parrying gameplay again turns me away. I truly cannot express how much i hate parrying and the addition of this mechanic in this game.

[frail bloom]

I'd try this, try coming back in maybe August, they are going to have massive update

[wheat sigil]

hugo has made some wild claims about eternal for example, i wouldn't fully trust one guy to be omniscient and infallible

[frail bloom]

slo mo tunable, master levels, enemy behavioral changes, more sliders

[wheat sigil]

MLs bouta be juicyyy

[strong tiger]

I didn't touch sliders by the way. I wanted to experience the game the way the devs envisioned it.

[frail bloom]

What abt the parrying I felt it was immensely satisfying

Chaining parries together with your runes and using it to falter

Or early game too, using melee plus parry to demobilize a demon completely

I'll tell you this, a family member of mine also can't really jive with the game

He's having a hard time understanding it on hurt me plenty

[strong tiger]

Gets quite repetitive and incentifies button mashing imo. It felt satisfying the first 2 levels and then it became very formulaic.

[empty sable]

Yeah, better dismiss the claims from the guy who created the games which everyone is defending. Sounds about right 😉

[frail bloom]

What difficulty did you play on.

[strong tiger]

ultra violence

[wheat sigil]

that's not what i said however, it's getting pretty tiring to always be misinterpreted or misrepresented😭

[frail bloom]

Try nightmare

Your shield breaks much quicker

[strong tiger]

I'm not that sadistic

[frail bloom]

It's not sadistic trust

[strong tiger]

I was getting melted on UV in some fights too lmao

[frail bloom]

It's better balanced

[silent surge]

i’m finding exploring other weapons can be successful too, just takes some getting used to. granted, impaler is just great

[frail bloom]

I don't understand how it's formulaic in bad way, it's a good vehicle for stunning and faltering. Unless you want to remove slo mo, would that make it better?

Bc that is an upcoming feature

[empty sable]

Laser gun go brrrr

[frail bloom]

Hugo listens, y'know

[graceful lion]

well, its the same for eternal no?, its just using a few more weapons

[strong tiger]

So what you're saying is... it IS more complex

[graceful lion]

though it can get more repetitive

[frail bloom]

Complex does not equal depth

[graceful lion]

that also

just because you gotta press 6 different buttons doesnt mean its more complex, it just means each button can do only one thing

[strong tiger]

[empty sable]

True, true. Hugo stays up late and watches. Some claims he's Batman.

[graceful lion]

some say he's with us right now

[strong tiger]

What if instead of replaying TDA, i replay Eternal and end up hating TDA even more

[graceful lion]

recency bias?

if you hate it you hate it, we aint here to reprogram you

[silent surge]

just play what ya like

[graceful lion]

shit on it all you want, but dont spread negativity becuase that just isnt cool

[strong tiger]

are there any expansions planned ? i'm not really in the loop

[graceful lion]

dlcs have been confirmed since before release

also master levels apparently

[silent surge]

horde style mode seems likely. master levels

[graceful lion]

also modders may be able to make maps, though idk if the devs are planning on modding yet, becuase i heard from raitro its alot more grounded in nature

[strong tiger]

well, i'll check out whatever update they roll out when they do.. but right now i'm just waiting for Quake to get the same treatment DOOM did

[graceful lion]

seems modding in your own mster levels will be really hard for tda

[frail bloom]

Y'know I had a person that explained it rather well
@cinder estuary
Talk abt the whole macro vs micro thing I rather enjoyed it

[strong tiger]

not to be obscene but if they remake quake and add arena multiplayer like back in the day i will literally bust

[frail bloom]

For @strong tiger

[frail bloom]

Kinda hard when Doom eternal plays like quake

And quake isn't as famous as doom

[strong tiger]

big franchise potential, after this new doom trilogy people will definitely check out whatever id puts out

[graceful lion]

its alot safer for id to stick to doom for doom, as thats what alot of people will stick to aswell

lot of people like id for doom

[frail bloom]

Y'know, excluding how famous it is. Trying to innovate it enough to be different from eternal is a serious challenge

[strong tiger]

call me crazy but i don't think id is going for another doom, i think this was their last rodeo at least for a while

[empty sable]

They already said they are making another DOOM. So, yes they are.

[graceful lion]

dlcs are planned, and theres alot of prequel shit thats not put in game

[frail bloom]

Hugo said he would like to make more medieval prequel stories

Like the civil war

[graceful lion]

not that they will be medieval, its just that he likes that

[frail bloom]

And slayers testaments

[strong tiger]

no way 😭

[graceful lion]

lmao

[frail bloom]

He just said it like that

[graceful lion]

lets fucking go more tda gameplay

[empty sable]

Before Dark Ages even came out, they confirmed it lol

[graceful lion]

or hopefully something different

[frail bloom]

Don't you wanna see the civil war, or slayers testaments?

Think if it this way, their next game will not play like tda

[stoic sleet]

Hopefully in one game the doomslayer gets an ak-47

[frail bloom]

Maybe they'll have the meathook plus shield slam

[graceful lion]

probably weaker than his normal weapons

[strong tiger]

not gonna lie even as a die hard fan, as a developer it must be pretty nauseating to be stuck in the DOOM vortex for so long

[stoic sleet]

What if it isnt

[empty sable]

I really want a sequel to Dark Ages and then at the end the shield gets shattered or something which makes sense as to why he's lost it. It could happen at the end of dlc, but unsure.

[frail bloom]

No they said they hsve immense fun making it

[graceful lion]

he needs something meaty, something that can wipe demons out quickly

[frail bloom]

Y'know why?? Because they don't make the same game twice

[stoic sleet]

An ak 47 could beat fodder

[frail bloom]

That's why they never get tired

[strong tiger]

this sounds like some god of war type shit

[stoic sleet]

Why not give the doomslayer a shotgun

[graceful lion]

yeah but itd take more ammo than just a shotgun

[gritty canopy]

He has 2 already

[graceful lion]

?, he does lose his shield but later it gets fixed, and he has multiple others

[stoic sleet]

Wow really?

[strong tiger]

fuck it, give him another

[stoic sleet]

Thats wild icl

Why not give the doomslayer a lightsaber

Or a cool energy sword

[empty sable]

There has always been similarities there. At least to old God of War, when he was a badass, I know just offended every GoW super fan lol

[frail bloom]

Think if this too, the ssg with the meathook is a relic of the slayers past. So at some point, he most likely used his shield with his ssg(meathook version)

[wheat sigil]

instead of the combat shotgun we'll get the chill shotgun

[silent surge]

GTA has been going for years, they’re still rollin it out

[graceful lion]

well, in the old god of war games, he was full of rage and resentment, he did not have any thought for those who he has killed

[silent surge]

well. eventually!

[graceful lion]

god of war has been going for over 20 years, i dont think SMS wants to stop gow anytime soon

[empty sable]

Good times! 😉

[stoic sleet]

Instead of the Super Shotgun give him the Unsuper Shotgun

[graceful lion]

though as anyone coming to their senses, he realized that and said "damn im an evil fucking person" and wanted to start a new life

[stoic sleet]

He also cracked his sister

Js saying

[frail bloom]

So basically, tda might be the start of a new doom trilogy

[hollow sandal]

Ah...

[graceful lion]

did he?

[wheat sigil]

soup shotgun

[stoic sleet]

Im pretty sure Aphrodite is Kratos’ sister

[frail bloom]

Well at least chat is talking again

[empty sable]

Modern day stuff, redemption arcs and all that. Redemption or death or both depending on the story. I think these days it's overplayed in so many stories. I just hope they don't do it to Doomguy.

[rare wolf]

hey gang, I just posted a clip in #videos with a hotswap tech I found for canceling the SSG reload into another weapon shot, but I'm not quite sure how it works. I gathered a few clips of me hitting it while I was trying to figure it out, so if anyone more experienced than me can take a look that would be dope

[strong tiger]

in 10 years ID will make a game where you will embark on doom guy's journey of self redemption alongside his son which he made with a cacodemon and follow them to the top of hell to scatter the ashes of the caco, dealing with emotional trauma and character growth along the way

[frail bloom]

He
@matemat._.

Bruh what happened

[rare wolf]

lmao

[frail bloom]

M1, he found some cool tech

[stoic sleet]

And then a few imps help them but one of the ancient gods we havent seen yet kills one

[gritty canopy]

Anyone read the doom comic?

[graceful lion]

says on the wiki that its his great aunt, which is still bad

[empty sable]

Talk about scary.

[frail bloom]

@wheat sigil

[rare wolf]

@wheat sigil

[graceful lion]

self redemption for what, all he did was kill demons

[rare wolf]

jinx

[frail bloom]

Oops

NOOOOO

[rare wolf]

LMAOO

[graceful lion]

anyways im gonna go to sleep now

[strong tiger]

well, he starts being pretty down about it, 10 years can change a lot... he's worn out...

[gritty canopy]

Do not mess with a mans bunny and especially family

[gritty canopy]

Hes been doing it for a milennia man

[graceful lion]

he has been fighting demons for billions of years

also its most likely he lost his powers after tag 2

[frail bloom]

Ye slayers testaments span eons

[strong tiger]

i'm just saying 10 years time skip 😭

[wheat sigil]

noob gamer

[gritty canopy]

Listen doomguy isnt giving up any time soon

[graceful lion]

davoth died, so all parts of davoth died with it

including the part inside doomguy, which he now no longer has

[wheat sigil]

that is cool, haven't seen it so far, but i also haven't really been keeping up with tech tjat well

[frail bloom]

Bruh

Alr I'll try Glask

[frail bloom]

@remote thunder

[graceful lion]

game also really implies he has fallen to his knees like he's suddenly alot heavier

[gritty canopy]

That, Since his powers orignated from davoth, and the fact They no longer need him

[frail bloom]

Oops sorry it said do not disturb

My bad

[gritty canopy]

They say something similar, May we not need you again or smth

[graceful lion]

??

he was a human in doom 1, 2 and 64

the divinity machine gave him powers, he did not have anything before, he was just a normal marine

[gritty canopy]

Yeah

[graceful lion]

he does not grow stronger with every foe, that is just to explain him healing from the praetor suit

[gritty canopy]

I meam after the divinity machine

[empty sable]

DOOM: Resurrection coming out in 2030 lol Not to be confused with that other one.

[graceful lion]

yeah, the part making doomguy strong is no longer there

because its dead, or more specifically he is dead

[strong tiger]

just saw the quick swap video @rare wolf posted... blud wants to play eternal so bad 😭 💀 🥀

[gritty canopy]

He isnt dead i dont think so, more like in a coma

[wheat sigil]

your infelicity will not go unnoticed when judgement day comes

[graceful lion]

im talking about davoth, not doomguy

[empty sable]

It's a damn Soap Opera. He'll be back lol

Might even forget who he is.

[gritty canopy]

Ah excuse me

[graceful lion]

davoth is dead, so doomguy's strength is dead, tag 2 is also confirmed to be the final part of doomguy's story, so its all prequels for now

[rare wolf]

I discovered it on accident because I was swapping between TDA and Eternal and I was getting my muscle memory confused mid fight and I accidentally hit that tech

[gritty canopy]

Hes gonna get bored in that coffin sooner or later

[strong tiger]

LMFAO yeah i bet

[graceful lion]

they could always bullshit their way into him somehow becoming strong again of course

[graceful lion]

hes probably in stasis like he was in the tomb

[wheat sigil]

lol i was constantly hitting V when i first started tda

[graceful lion]

or just unable to move, as the 2016 coffin caused him torment apparently

[strong tiger]

not gonna lie chat is crazy knowledgeable about doom lore.. full brain expansion 5000 iq mode going on here

[frail bloom]

We have a lore guy

We do care

[graceful lion]

285 page google doc on doom lore

[frail bloom]

I must read it alllllll

[empty sable]

Gotta go back to cracking demon heads. It's his way of life.

[frail bloom]

Knowwwwledgreeee

[gritty canopy]

Give me that shit

I cant understand anything after doom 64

[graceful lion]

its not updated yet i think, but you can find it on @hard thistle's about me

currently around 200 ish pages, tda added 85

[frail bloom]

85????

[graceful lion]

:3

[frail bloom]

Damn

He studied it rather well

I expect nothing less tbh

[graceful lion]

"So one could ask: what is the point? What is the point of this story? Why tell it? I put forth
my opinion on Doom’s story: It is a story about destiny, and the weaponization of rage in the
face of injustice. It is a story about defiance in the face of uncountable odds - of looking in the
face of those who would seek to subjugate and exploit your life, and to say no."

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[frail bloom]

No vro cuz dead bunny me go angwy

Brocacho

[graceful lion]

me wnat kill demons even if humans are safe

my msision is done but i want demon kill

[frail bloom]

Me wike big toys and guns

Demuns die

[empty sable]

Demons very existence offends Doomguy.

[frail bloom]

Bad emonds

[strong tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/keith-lee-wwe-nxt-book-fire-gif-11238055282671991144

[graceful lion]

me use gun because me like gun, becuase gun is less effective than fist

[frail bloom]

Why punch when gun torturr

Torturr good

[graceful lion]

they are a part of existence, they cannot just go extinct

exterminating a force of nature is nigh impossible

[frail bloom]

Name is Doom

Rhymes with grug

Here's my gun

Rhymes with grug

[gritty canopy]

Soooo.... peak.

[graceful lion]

he'd probably just wanna lay down on a nice comfy bed for like 5 weeks after constantly fighting demons for billions of years

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/grug-absolute-cinema-rhymes-with-grug-the-croods-meme-gif-11919595012316841078

[graceful lion]

then just shrivel up and die after his brain starts processing what he went through

[frail bloom]

Rhymes with grug

[gritty canopy]

I think he processes it very well and is just laughinh on the inside

[graceful lion]

billions of years.

literally incomprehensible to the human mind

[gritty canopy]

I think he is very far from human

[graceful lion]

he was part human while divinified

[gritty canopy]

Dude just take a look at the doom comics which are mind you canon

HES LITERALLY GONE INSANE

[graceful lion]

he is a human after tag 2's conclusion

anyways gn

[gritty canopy]

Oh well I dont know

Gn man

[empty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/im-back-doom-doom-slayer-doom-eternal-gif-26144054

[frail bloom]

Chat

I'm grug now

Wait that sounds wrong

[barren geode]

lmao

[frail bloom]

I call it family friendly

Rhymes with grug

Oh boi, chat's gonna be dead for like another 2 hrs

Ngl I wanna find a better picture of grug

This one's behind a slot machine

[empty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-doom-slayer-taunt-doom-gif-5228825785991726881

[frail bloom]

Devious grug shenanigans

[solid pagoda]

yoinky sploinky

me when un run complete

[wheat sigil]

okay snickerdoodle

[frail bloom]

Snickerdoodle

Rhymes with grug

M1

Rhymes with grug

[wheat sigil]

when the descent has descended too much

[frail bloom]

Descent...

Rhymes with grug

Jim why did ya remove it

I was gonna make a grug joke

Oh I see

Lightmaps

Rhymes with grug

Ok chat is dead for reals this time

[remote thunder]

idk how this works

[frail bloom]

Welp

[rare wolf]

I've been grinding TDA for an hour or so and I'm hitting it a bunch but I just can't figure out exactly what I'm doing to replicate it.

I was hoping someone here or the forces of reddit would be able to help me work it out. I've never discovered tech before so I'm posting wherever I can to try to see if anyone else has replicated it

[empty sable]

How what works?

[rare wolf]

@empty sable this

[empty sable]

Watched it a few times and not really seeing any animation cancel. Even though I've seen it in the past. Am I just missing it? lol

[rare wolf]

lemme grab a clip of the normal speed the shots should be rq

typically you have to wait for the SSG to completely reload and then swap

[empty sable]

The way to animation cancel is force the shield to be active enough that it overtakes the reload. For me, I've done it on occasion when playing even though if I tried probably would fail to replicate it lol

[rare wolf]

well the problem is I'm not sure what "active enough" means in the context of combat. I've done it when the shield shoots back from a dazed enemy, from normal kills, or from just bouncing off armor

[empty sable]

They're probably doing the same thing for the reload. It's just exploiting the animations.

[rare wolf]

it seems to be close to when I catch the shield but even then if you watch the first and last clips, it doesn't happen right when I catch the shield every time. soemtimes its a bit before or after

[empty sable]

Watching it now and it definitely has to do with Doomguy being preoccupied with the shield. Didn't even realize about the reload until you said it. I didn't change weapons too much during game if I'm being honest. Loved the fact that ammo was so plentiful lol

[rare wolf]

fr. I found it on accident after going back to eternal and accidentally keeping my hotswap muscle memory turned on

[slender onyx]

the comic is just like ambiguously canon

[empty sable]

I used super shotgun for big demons so changing it in and out, unsure how I never noticed before about that reload lol

[slender onyx]

it's not really like fully confirmed

[halcyon idol]

if you think about it, any type of doom content is canon, cuz of the multiverse stuff u know

[empty sable]

Does Eternal do the same for super shotgun with the reload when switching to other weapons?

It's impressive how these people can replicate a glitch perfectly to skip the reload.

[rare wolf]

you can reload/animation cancel every weapon in eternal as a feature of the combat loop by just swapping to another gun. no tech required

[rare wolf]

sent a timed comparison in the #videos channel

it's almost 2x the normal recovery time

interestingly, you can hotswap every weapon without tech if you're in berserk mode

[frail bloom]

Really?

I wanna see

[empty sable]

They need to fix the menu screen. I upgraded to Premium, yet it tells me that I can upgrade lol

[frail bloom]

You're not doing enough smh

Rhymes with grug

Why are you poor give ID money

You're the reason why we have no master levels not very grug of you

[empty sable]

Already did lol

[frail bloom]

Not enough give them your life savings

[empty sable]

Does that still show up for people who purchased Premium during launch?

[frail bloom]

I think it does for me

[empty sable]

Guess it's not just because I upgraded from standard.

[frail bloom]

Although it just tells you as a suggestion

Like "hey you can get this!!"

[empty sable]

But you can't lol

[frail bloom]

Uh uh grug

[empty sable]

Trix are for kids.

[frail bloom]

Well they still had the preorder doom eternal newspage on 2016 for like 10 years

Before they updated it for tda

[rare wolf]

sent a vid in dms since there's a slowmode in the server

[empty sable]

Might take some time then.

[frail bloom]

Actually insane how long it took

[frail bloom]

Oh no that's with shieldbashing

[rare wolf]

some weapons don't have much of a recovery time so there isn't an animation to cancel, but I think the rocket and ssg are the most obvious buffs

[frail bloom]

That happens without beserk

[rare wolf]

I was swapping weapons after the shield bash, look at the ssg reload animation

same with the Rocket launcher swap speed

[frail bloom]

Ye it sustains if you let it

You just have to keep firing

You can also melee while holding block

And that does it too

[frail bloom]

Who you callin' kid

Not very grug of you

[rare wolf]

let me grab another part of the vid from before I shield bash

[frail bloom]

Try shieldbashing and doing it without beserk as well

[rare wolf]

sending a better vid now

can't swap like that outside berserk

[frail bloom]

I seem to have made a mistake.

[rare wolf]

indeed

[empty sable]

Timing the reload and changing with the shield throws is some insanity. I'm not that skilled in encounters lol Struggle with it outside of encounters, but I did get it.

[rare wolf]

yeah it took me a full level of encounters just to hit it 3 or 4 times for the clips

[frail bloom]

Wait hold on
Do you have that quickswitch vid. I would ask Glask but he has a "do not disturb" thingy

@wheat sigil

[rare wolf]

which one? you should be able to download them from discord and dm him

and M1 already said they don't know how it works

[frail bloom]

But he introduced it to me lol

[rare wolf]

oh my b

[frail bloom]

He does a different type of switching

[rare wolf]

I thought you meant my techs

[frail bloom]

No no

[rare wolf]

oh interesting

[empty sable]

When in combat though it does feel like it happens easier? Maybe it's just me, but the programming might be different. Outside of combat was more challenging. It comes down to whether or not you need to change from one gun to the other. The only plus side I could see is changing from the SSG for big demons and then all of a sudden there's a lot of a smaller demons so you switch to another.

[frail bloom]

Ye you can either shieldbash it to get it or melee while holding block and then firing

[rare wolf]

yes, only when using the shield and also only when killing an enemy. It may be possible outside combat, but I haven't found a way to get it right. It seems to line up with my shield returning to my hand pretty well every time, so I could be messing up my wall bounces trying to time it

[rare wolf]

I think I know what you're talking about. you start the weapon swap then quickly shield bash or perform another action, and the weapon swap happens in the background

[frail bloom]

No you shieldbash to start it, and then you hotswap between any weapon

[rare wolf]

hmm interesting

[frail bloom]

I have no idea why it works but it does

[rare wolf]

so shield bash, shoot, hotswap, shoot?

[frail bloom]

Yup

[rare wolf]

wow interesting

[frail bloom]

Tbh, your tech seems more applicible

[stoic sleet]

Grug rhymes with samir

[frail bloom]

Yes

Rhymes with grug

[rare wolf]

if I can figure out how to do it on purpose maybe

[frail bloom]

It's just cuz quickswitching limits your movement and makes it hard to parry

[rare wolf]

yeah that's true

[frail bloom]

I'd just quickly switch to bypass swap times instead of hotswapping

In case I need a new weapon before parrying

[empty sable]

You're right and it works every time. It's way better.

[rare wolf]

ehh not every time

if we can figure out how it works we can do it every time

[frail bloom]

Trust me, much better than what we had

[rare wolf]

but that might take some effort

[frail bloom]

Ssg plus impaler is so janky

[empty sable]

Well, I just did it 3 times in a row.

[frail bloom]

Impaler and rocket launcher is better

[rare wolf]

oh shit really? send a vid if you can

[frail bloom]

But then again why not just shoot the rocket launcher by base fire

[rare wolf]

I want to try to see what you do exactly to emulate it

[rare wolf]

splash damage

[empty sable]

What you do is shield bash, shoot and then change weapon. There is no reload.

[frail bloom]

I guess impaler is a better example

Bc its basefire is fast

Wait

@empty sable were you saying the tech we found earlier was better or the new tech @rare wolf found

[rare wolf]

I thought he meant mine

[frail bloom]

Ye same

But then he said shieldbash

[empty sable]

You mentioned the shield bash, shoot and then change. I was saying it was better because it makes more sense in encounters.

[frail bloom]

Try holding block then meeleeing

Then hotswapping

Anyways I stopped doing that bc it messes with your parry timing

I rather just switch between shieldthrow plus powerful weapon

[stoic sleet]

If it isnt the Accelerator it isnt good

[stoic sleet]

Vader????

[empty sable]

Vader????

[stoic sleet]

Vader????

[rare wolf]

wait no that shield bash tech is actually way better because it holds the quickswap ability multiple times

[frail bloom]

I just don't like hotswapping in tda

[empty sable]

Seems to be more reliable, as it works each time I've tried it. Not really a struggle with the timing either like shield catching and such.

[rare wolf]

yeah true. I just tried it and it's super easy and you can repeat it without having to shield bash again afterwards as long as you keep spamming to a different weapon.

at least with mine it's doable while you're using your shield normally. you don't have to build your playstyle around it if you want to keep using it, but that's only a big benefit if you can get it consistently

so mine isn't very applicable

[empty sable]

I'll probably only use it on occasion, but it can definitely help in encounters when shifting from SSG to automatic weapons.

[rare wolf]

it doesn't hurt to go for it when you throw your shield. you don't lose anything by failing the tech, you just don't swap weapons or you just get a normal swap time

and if you do hit it, you get a nice hit of bonus damage

[empty sable]

I still love the accelerator. Many people were bashing it because the cycler exists. It is just fun, what laser guns should be lol

[empty sable]

If the timing works it works. More ways to get rid of that pesky reload bs lol

[rare wolf]

I'm gonna see if hitting a shield stun then killing/dazing the enemies to recall the shield will let me time it better. it seems like that's what happens most of the time I hit the tech

[empty sable]

Unlock the true power of the shield.

[rare wolf]

this tech is rough man. I haven't hit it a single time in this level sice I've been trying it again

https://youtu.be/oFYfUye8mhg?si=jRWlmU7xrhZ_m_jo

@empty sable @frail bloom looks like under the mayo has a few ideas/situations to activate the ssg animation skip

[empty sable]

The running around, shooting a bunch then getting the animation cancel piqued my interest.

If you can actually save an animation cancel for later while still shooting. That sounds crazy.

[rare wolf]

It's making me wonder if I was doing something like that earlier in the fight and I just didn't realize

I'll have to look at my footage again

looks like I was performing glory kills and ledge climbs before each hotswap. I guess that's how its done

although not every time was a "glory kill" sometimes it was just a standard execution

[cinder estuary]

Uuuh wassup

[merry pumice]

i’ve done some experimentation and comparison with holy swarm vs autoturret and holy fuck. yeah. it’s not even close

helps that i’ve been doing this in tandem with some experimentation with the power gauntlet and i’m not kidding when I say that a shocked leader super heavy goes down to a single holy swarm of 90% of the blades hit

[empty sable]

I tried running around and shooting. Animation cancel doesn't seem to save for later. Maybe I'm just messing something up.

[rare wolf]

I was able to get it pretty consistently with a ledge climb

[empty sable]

I was trying it with glory kill. Wasn't working.

[rare wolf]

idk if you can use any other shield abilities while you store it

[empty sable]

Maybe that's it. I have a tendency of blocking constantly when running lol

Only seem to be able to do it on ledge climb right after. The saving part is what I'm going for and can't get it.

[delicate grotto]

This game feels perfectly balanced (to me) at 120% speed and 75% damage to demons, with the tightest parry window. If only you could modify ammo pickups from melee hits.

[hasty stone]

I like 110% speed

Also auto run is default for me now..

Feels like old school doom with auto run on

Wait until they ad slow mo slider so we can reduce it the game will be crazy

[merry pumice]

you can, but it also reduces all other resource gain

[sonic turret]

@rare wolf Worcestershire sauce?

[merry pumice]

quake con update please

[sonic turret]

The guy that did the artwork that Hugo and Joshua were talking about on the stream, what's his name?

[hasty stone]

There will be updates before quake con

Quake con stuff is some free stuff

I'm hoping for more gun skins

Skins in the game kinda suck..

[sonic turret]

They're only skins, they're an unnecessary luxury, especially when there's no multiplayer and you're the only person that's gonna see it.

I'd focus on more important stuff.

[hasty stone]

They're gonna add a lot of skins anyways

[merry sapphire]

seems that after loading 3 times, the frames drop by 70% for no reason

[empty sable]

What skins in the game? That's the real question. Aside from the recolors from Doomguy there's not much, especially for weapons lol

[sonic turret]

They're not really a priority, I wouldn't expect them to be of particular well thought out quality.

[sonic turret]

Pretty much.

[hasty stone]

There will be skins for challenges like eternal

[sonic turret]

That's why they have trophies.

[hasty stone]

Lol trophies are boring

This game will be supported like eternal was

Every single game has skins now

[sonic turret]

They went too far with the Eternal skins, and it looked like a circus.

[hasty stone]

Best a master level, get a skin

That was the theme of the game

Was pretty obvious

[empty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-guy-doom-slayer-doomicorn-gif-10563539358830644284

[hasty stone]

Eternal basically doom arcade

[sonic turret]

Only TDA isn't Eternal and isn't Doom arcade.

[hasty stone]

TDA won't have the eternal skin theme obviously

Prolly a shit load of skins ready to go

[empty sable]

They should add both suits from 2016 and Eternal. As much as I love Dark Ages suit and prefer it more. Would be cool to watch the cutscenes with those other suits.

[hasty stone]

Original doom skin prolly

It's in the art book

And zombie skin

[sonic turret]

I'd imagine they'd have the Knight Sentinel skin from the Sentinel Scriptures, as well as the alternative Sentinel skin, but they should keep it relevant to Doom, no freaking hotdogs or unicorns.

[empty sable]

Really wish they would add the Zombie suit. The updated one that is in the actual game. Should be an easy addition, one would think lol

[sonic turret]

Probably, since it was in the game. The Sentinel suits, the green one and the white one, should also be in there at some point. I'd go for a Valen skin too, I was hoping for that in Eternal.

[weary current]

all i need is a classic pose, classic shotgun skin, and we should be all set lmao

[empty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-zombie-zombie-doom-slayer-gif-5236777237986457060

[empty sable]

Next game we are going to be a pirate zombie doom slayer. Traveling the high seas of hell. That's what I thought when he was sailing, not a bad idea.

[sonic turret]

I'd have loved an expanded version of that mission as DLC, where you get to steer the ship, and more stuff in the forest.

[empty sable]

Medieval Era to the Age of Piracy

[sonic turret]

I can hear the POTC music in my head.

They could do a Doom tie-in DLC for Sea of Thieves.

[empty sable]

For me, that zombie stuff was just next level. Showing how unstoppable Doomguy is, as if anyone had any doubts lol

[sonic turret]

Well, zombies are in vogue at the moment in gaming.

[frank turtle]

hi

[frank turtle]

such a good scene

one of my favorite levels in the game

does anyone know if the blood sacrifice rocket does more damage itself? or is it just the damage of the splash

[empty sable]

Overall, this game just stands out to me from the rest this year, it's just fun and is action-packed. So many games out here try to do it all. It feels old school with some innovation due to shield/melee. Simplicity at its finest. Too many games are missing the mark when it comes to the fun factor.

[empty sable]

I thought the rocket launcher only does splash damage. Probably wrong though since it specifically states splash.

Either way, it only increases splash damage.

[split gate]

Yep it’s just pure fun

[raven sonnet]

is doom the dark ages worth the price of $119.95

[sonic turret]

Just get the standard edition and then upgrade it if you feel like it.

[raven sonnet]

thats for the standard

[sonic turret]

The standard should be like $60.

[raven sonnet]

yeah sorry american its not true for me

australian is $119.95

[light moss]

???

Wait for sales tb

That way you can rip and tear and not your wallet lol

[delicate grotto]

If you love Doom, yes. If you like Doom, I’d wait for a sale. Price for the amount of content isn’t worth it unless you know you’ll love the game and replay the campaign over and over again. More content is planned but currently there’s only the campaign, and while it’s the longest modern Doom campaign, I’d still say it doesn’t justify its price for the average consumer.

[tranquil bluff]

double golden komodos when Hugo?

[stray hemlock]

Gang I gotta know, what is your favourite armour and weapon colours for TDA?

[errant pagoda]

Guardian armor + Reverent weapons

[tranquil badge]

i ran the divinity skins and reverent weapon skins for my latest run, they've got good color maching with each other imo

[stray hemlock]

Real ngl

Like for my first playthrough I used a mix of Default and Divinity skins for everything

And for my weapons it was mainly default and Nightmare

Then I got the Nightmare skin, which in my opinion, looks better than the VOID Slayer skin

Dang it there's no image perms

[stray hemlock]

Only like the Nightmare skin because of the Red visor, the blood stains on the shield and such and the choice of black they used ngl

[silver flame]

Yes

[split gate]

Fuck no

[silver flame]

No I agree with that dude

More fight more kill

More guantlet

[north spire]

kind of yes and no

at the very least, doom the dark ages is a great game that offers a very fun set of changes to the combat without straying too far from what makes doom "doom". (and also the other 25% of the game is also there idk i dont mind the mech stages as much)

however, $119 aud is a steep price so i wouldn't blame you if you choose to save your money

especially since both Doom 2016 and Eternal are significantly cheaper atm thanks to the steam summer sale

[harsh egret]

i guess also depends how big of a doom fan u r

but the game will be worth buying more and more as updates and side-content drops, seemingly pretty soon

im actually sort of surprised they didnt do a small 10% discount or smth on steam, especially since the game is priced pretty high in many countries, but what do i know about sales strategies

[mighty hedge]

i am finally able to play doom the dark ages

[jovial bone]

exp until 13 july

[silver flame]

God based

[jade bear]

get ready for a unique experience! have fun!

[mighty hedge]

yeah

[open skiff]

hey you guys know of a way to select a specific gpu before the game launches

[jade bear]

I think you can select from your GPU driver software

[drowsy vapor]

hi

[stoic sleet]

No tbh

Its really fucking expensive and i love the game but its really fucking expensive

[split gate]

Yep no game is worth that much, unless that includes preorder bonuses and other specials

[boreal pecan]

when are the dlc campaings coming?

[delicate grotto]

No one knows yet. I wouldn’t expect an update on them until Quakecon.

[zealous crag]

can i stream an ultra nightmare / pandemonium for someone ? i think im pretty good but maybe commentaries could help me finish it

[native lion]

guys i have a question does doom the dark ages worth it?

because i dont know if buy it or not

[stoic sleet]

The games really good but its very expensive

If ur comfortable with money buy it

[stray hemlock]

What this guy said

And you can get the premium edition to get the DLC for free when it releases

[zealous crag]

excellent game in every way, even with multiple playthrough its just flawless if you like doom. Its pricey tho but its worth it imo

[harsh egret]

Some guys at id posted some cool stuff on artstation, some stuff is from the artbook but some is never seen before

Yall should take a look

#screenshots

[vague siren]

im quaking it

[ripe gull]

does anyone else have an issue with seige part 1 mission challenges?

i cant complete the challenge wher eu destroy 4 artillery cannons

and i cant 100% the game cus of it'

ive looked at several guides to find them and theyre all not there

but it says 3/4 cannons destroyed

[hollow sandal]

Jeez idk if uh...

[harsh egret]

hm?

[hollow sandal]

Idk if he deserves to be maimed 😭

[harsh egret]

lmao

yeah that one just straight up made me laugh my ass off, not sure if i should be concerned for myself or what

[merry pumice]

tomorrow at 3:24pm EST

[boreal pecan]

how do u know?

[merry pumice]

hugo told me in private and then gave me a big sloppy kiss after

[long sparrow]

Yeah it is, get it

[vital rapids]

Yeah, it's great.

[solid nacelle]

I like when they put their fingers up to their ear like in marvel movies

[vital rapids]

Sure nudoom gets a bit silly at times but I can lean into it if the game is fun. This game's story is like a heavy metal/warhammer 40k thing and it stitches together an excuse for us to kill demons with a flail, ssg, wrecking-ball gun etc

[solid nacelle]

Even though they don't even have visible ear pieces

[barren ember]

The fact that there is no sale for tda saddens me

[solid nacelle]

It just came out a month ago

[hard thistle]

TDA's story is a hell of a lot better than 2016's or Eternal's.

[barren ember]

Mhhhhjm don't care, 80% is overpriced af

[barren ember]

From what i have seen it's more of an eternal style story telling and I'm all for it

[hard thistle]

It's, like, actually telling the story and not delegating half of it to the Codex like Eternal does.

[barren ember]

Well There's still lore in the codex right?

Idk I'm yet to play the game

[hard thistle]

Yes, but it's just lore. In Eternal half the story was in the Codex.

[barren ember]

Uhuh. That's nice

[barren ember]

Also is the dragon named Serrat or is my friend trolling me

[hard thistle]

The dragon's name is Serrat.

[silver flame]

im just glad you can wake up get on nightmare and its not bs

[barren ember]

Hell yeah

[barren ember]

Well i like having my balls kicked and I'm glad i can make nightmare something even worse

[silver flame]

and that i dont have to chain saw every two demons later for stupid ammo

[barren ember]

The humble melle.

[silver flame]

and that my fist is actually a fist

[barren ember]

I mean in eternal it did 1 point of damage cuz Dev's wanted you to preserve blood punch

[silver flame]

now all i ask is doom may cry when

they gotta fuse more melee combat its to fun not to

[barren ember]

Hl shit he's cooking

Bless me with the

Leaf of off the tree

On it i see the freedom reign

[silver flame]

bless me with the upper cutting five demons with a long sword then double barreling all the demons jaws open

[barren ember]

ID SOFTWARE MAKE A CRUCIBLE IN TDA FUN AND MY SOUL IS YOURS

[silver flame]

this doom is tuff forreal doe

its been so fun to play

[barren ember]

I'm all for it

Tho 80$ is crazy man

[silver flame]

it is but you have to blame marketing schemes on that one

they see open windows they go for it

[barren ember]

Never blamed it on id

[silver flame]

i dont think its really ids fault as welll its just the money eco

its screwed and just a mess

idk how bad it is but it still feels ew

bout to look up how much dark ages costed to produce i bet its a megaton

sheesh yeah its big money

[barren ember]

I mean maybe it's better that i don't hop on tda right now, id has some time to fix shit so I could get a better experience

[silver flame]

what is it exactly is the issue man

only issue i have is that i just wished for more demon waves

but ill give it time people will cook up some big insane slaughterfest maps

[barren ember]

I mean i heard There's some balancing issues and also bugs and also gimmick leves are boring,
Also i heard the game is easy, which is not fine for me

[silver flame]

i mean doom is hardly realistically hard eternal is the only one that really does that

[barren ember]

I've played doom 2016 in brawler mode

That shit was hard

Tho not official

I just want to feel pain playing games

[silver flame]

blood extra crispy

there you go man

[barren ember]

Wuh?

[silver flame]

blood on extra crispy difficulty its pretty unfair

[wheat sigil]

yeah if you restrict yourself things usually become harder

[silver flame]

like its painful lol

[barren ember]

Wh. What are you talking about

[silver flame]

have you not played blood

[barren ember]

I know. That's why it was fun
-# for me personally

[barren ember]

I mean no, I don't really play games I'm not familiar with or my friends don't play

[silver flame]

well if you want a shooter thats painful to play

blood is it

[barren ember]

Wait lemme pull up on steam

[silver flame]

there is only a handful of people that can legit do extra crispy mode

and even then they use some cheese to go through it

[wheat sigil]

ultra nightmare should've just been nightmare but harder
not just... permadeath💤

[silver flame]

yeah i agree

permadeath is stupid anyway

[wheat sigil]

literally the same as nightmare but more annoying if you die

[barren ember]

I think permadeath should be an setting in the difficulty settings menu so we could enable it in any difficulty

[barren ember]

I don't see blood on steam

[silver flame]

i gotchu

[barren ember]

I like perma death because just like kaizer campaign it puts me on my toes every time i get on low health

But i would wish i could play permadeath on ultra-violence tbh

[misty ibex]

Are you guys having freezing problems after the most recent patch?

[merry sapphire]

i dont think you can make the game harder without it being borderline masochistic. besides i love ultra nightmare (because i beat it and i get to tell people i beat it)

ultra nightmare with dark ages on the other hand,,,, #NAH

[wheat sigil]

i mean, nightmare isn't particularly hard for a hardest difficulty

[harsh egret]

i thought it was in a pretty alright state, seeing how u can also make it harder with the sliders

sure, couldve been a little harder overall, but they are working on that from what we know

hopefully some good changes to some encounters in act 2 and 3 that they mentioned as well

[wheat sigil]

ultra nightmare being harder than nightmare instead of permadeath would've been way better for all doom games

[harsh egret]

i liked the act 1 changes

[wheat sigil]

just make permadeath toggleable for all difficulties lmao

[harsh egret]

eh, i dont see why that would be a thing

[lunar minnow]

It might not be possible to make the game harder though, no?
Not dying at all, is hard to be honest.

[harsh egret]

if u wanna play permadeath, ur gonna play the hardest difficulty

[lunar minnow]

It means you can't make any sort of mistakes in your campaign.

Or at least, major mistakes.

[wheat sigil]

uhm, why? many people enjoy doing elm on various difficulties, even on the lowest

[harsh egret]

yeah idk man, UN is pretty hard for most people, even if its technically easier than eternal, but u also have sliders for that so

[harsh egret]

idk, i dont see the point in playing permadeath hurt me plenty or smth

[lunar minnow]

You could just do it yourself.

On other difficulties.

[wheat sigil]

making UN the same exact thing as NM makes it extremely boring for people who can clear it, because then there's literally no difference between that and normal NM
and for people who can't clear it, it's just NM but having to redo more shit upon death, which some people enjoy! so let all people enjoy it and not just those who can easily clear NM

that's why i never did UN in eternal, it was completely pointless for me

[hollow heath]

Do you know how you can the shield saw on your profile pic

[wheat sigil]

you can't anymore

[hollow heath]

Why

[harsh egret]

was a limited time collab thing

[lunar minnow]

Nightmare is the hardest the game can be already, you have sliders if you want to make it harder, no?
So they added an extra mode called ultra nightmare, where one small twist is, you can't die at all.
Why would you play Ultra Nightmare if you don't want to redo it all over again?

[hollow heath]

Damit

[lunar minnow]

Why not just play the harder difficulty or make it harder yourself?

That's what the sliders are for.

[wheat sigil]

i'm arguing this for all doom games with UN
plus, adjusting sliders and upping the difficulty isn't the same thing
plus, people have already beaten max sliders on the game, imagine what will be the case just 1 year after release

so making UN harder than NM and adding a toggleable setting for permadeath would just be a very easy, all around improvement

[lunar minnow]

People already beat max sliders? 💀
I feel like though... That's the 1%...
They can't be appealing to every single person...
They have to be reasonable with what they're doing.

Some people will be absolutely cracked at the game, and that's okay!

[lunar minnow]

I can agree with this though, this could be a good improvement for sure.

[harsh egret]

are u saying cuz some people beat it on max sliders, that other people wouldnt wanna do it themselves? or am i stupid here

[lunar minnow]

But I feel like in general anyone who can beat Ultra-Nightmare is a good player.

[wheat sigil]

why not appeal to the players who play the game the most? lmao
making this adjustment wouldn't take away anything at all from any player, but it would add to the most dedicated players

[lunar minnow]

It's not an easy mode...

[wheat sigil]

huh? what do you mean?

[harsh egret]

the people who play it the most are a small fraction, and they earn more by selling more copies, not having those 1k steam players play longer

[harsh egret]

forget about that then nvm lol

[lunar minnow]

They have to balance the game though, and make it fair.
Making something harder means that it has to be fair.
They might not be able to make it more difficult without making it unbalanced.

You can't just ramp up the difficulty without considering the game balance.

The players max arsenal has to be equip to handle it, and they can't modify it without changing things fundamentally to fit that difficulty spike.

[wheat sigil]

they can definitely make nightmare harder without it being unbalanced
in eternal? i frequently play modded stuff with 2x damage to player, 2x ai speed, 0,7x damage to demons (on nightmare)
in tda? my first playthrough is nightmare with harder sliders

[harsh egret]

arent they literally working on making nightmare/the overall game harder

[wheat sigil]

doing this though wouldn't make the game worse for anyone else

[harsh egret]

no but it requires extra work with little returns

[lunar minnow]

I feel like also adding more difficulties, takes away the achievements of ultra nightmare.

Because you'll just be loathing having to complete something even harder.

[wheat sigil]

i feel like actually having a larger, dedicated playerbase is beneficial
plus balancing another difficulty isn't particularly hard, especially when you can tweak it via player feedback

[lunar minnow]

When trying to 100%.

[merry sapphire]

yeah but we aint average players. nightmare is the norm for me so i understand the need for a "harder" difficulty. but honestly i feel like it wont get fun after nightmare

[wheat sigil]

then you just need to do an ego check ig

[harsh egret]

they are doing that, but ive never seen anyone complain about how UN is compared to nightmare in doom games lol

[merry sapphire]

also you gotta factor the anxiety you get with ultra nightmare, making everything much harder by human nature to worry and panic

[harsh egret]

i understand some of ur points but im still a bit lost lol

[lunar minnow]

I'm not saying it's about ego at all- I'm just saying it might make some people not want to complete the game at all due to it.

[wheat sigil]

bet you haven't seen most people complain about how armored barons in doom eternal path finds or manages tokens either, but that's still an issue

[lunar minnow]

It might do the opposite.

[merry sapphire]

why are you two Glowing

[wheat sigil]

glowing personalities

[harsh egret]

lmao

[lunar minnow]

😂

I do agree with some of what you're saying, but I'm lost on some of it too.

Because there's a lot to consider in general when you add things like that.

[wheat sigil]

for the games that do have difficulties that actually challenge players who play the game a bit more, this isn't really an issue

nudoom is an outlier in that its hardest difficulty is very achievable (not talking about UN)

[lunar minnow]

This assumes if you play the game enough, you will eventually be able to beat any difficulty no matter how difficult.

I'm just checking if that's the assumption being made.

[harsh egret]

maybe they will add a master level campaign

would be cool no

[wheat sigil]

i mean, in theory, yeah you could beat anything
in theory you could beat doom eternal without being hit

but at a certain point it's not really feasible anymore

[wheat sigil]

it would!

[harsh egret]

its a pretty big ask tho but if they, out of nowhere, announce that at QC, im gonna explode

[lunar minnow]

So you're saying they could make a mode where it's feasible to beat still, but harder then Nightmare, and have it be togglable on whether or not you can have permadeath?

[wheat sigil]

i'm saying to just add something harder than nightmare, and make permadeath something toggleable for every difficulty

[harsh egret]

also what do u think about the upcoming extra setting on the slider to make parries even harder

[wheat sigil]

you don't have to worry about if it's impossible to beat, because playtesting exists lol

[lunar minnow]

Honestly, I agree then.

Yeah, then honestly that would be a good thing to add.

Wouldn't take much.

Just some value tweaks.

[harsh egret]

idk i feel like thats already left in players control to a decent degree to create for themselves

[lunar minnow]

That one will be really cool. :)

[wheat sigil]

a harder parry window setting would be cool, since they aren't particularly hard in their current state
if they however are going to be frame perfect (like i've heard from some) i feel kinda meh, that's over the top, and would that be frame dependent? or just standardized to like 60fps?

they would also really need to fix you/your shield taking damage upon hitting a frame perfect parry before implementing it

[harsh egret]

i think it was somewhat an exageration from hugo, but it will be pretty hard anyway

[wheat sigil]

if it's already annoying, can't imagine what it'd be like with the harder setting lol

[harsh egret]

true

[lunar minnow]

I haven't been playing Dark Ages much.

I finished it, and I'm just waiting for new content to come out for it first before continuing.

[wheat sigil]

he sees... the vision...

[lunar minnow]

Just so long as it's possible you know?

And balanced.

[harsh egret]

im sadly away for the next month, im on a laptop that gets 40-60 fps and to me thats unplayable, wanted to start doing UN but my laptop would fk me up

[lunar minnow]

Aww. :(

[harsh egret]

but atleast ill be back right before the QC update drops

[lunar minnow]

I'm split between whether I like Eternal or Dark ages more.

Honestly.

[harsh egret]

overall i like dark ages more

[lunar minnow]

Dark Ages feels too... Bare... Right now.

There's not much to do.

[harsh egret]

they will add more and more, for now i understand u tho

maybe in a year from now u will be satisfied :d

[lunar minnow]

I think it's just the feeling of having more, you know?

[wheat sigil]

all i want for christmas is a randomizer...

[lunar minnow]

I feel like I only have the campaign to do which makes it feel a little weird.

Whereas Eternal I have so much I can choose from.

[wheat sigil]

hopefully with customizable difficulty (adjusting amount of heavy/superheavy spawns)

[merry sapphire]

you can always try pandemonium or ultra nightmare for now

[lunar minnow]

Trying to beat Ultra-Nightmare on Eternal first.

Before I go anywhere near that for Dark Ages.

[inner wigeon]

This game would feel so much better if parrying didn’t feel rng based

[merry sapphire]

its not rng based though

[harsh egret]

rng?

[merry sapphire]

nor does it feel rng based

[lunar minnow]

I've heard people unironically say that this is just a parry simulator.
Which, I honest to god don't understand.

[merry sapphire]

what does that even mean]

[inner wigeon]

I know it’s not, it feels like it

Sometimes the shield gets broken instead of getting a parry even though the timing was correct

[wheat sigil]

are you playing on too hard parry windows?

[merry sapphire]

dark souls is a roll simulator

[inner wigeon]

Sometimes you die and get a parry from the same hit

[wheat sigil]

oh yeahh... if you hit a perfect parry, your shield and you still takes damage bozo!

[merry sapphire]

unperfect parry*

[lunar minnow]

Perfect argument, I'm going to keep that one in the toolbox.

[harsh egret]

so then the game of the year for most ppl, e33, isnt that the biggest parry and dodge simulator there is?
but yeah no, stupid shit ppl be sayin

[merry sapphire]

im pretty sure perfect parry doesnt damage your shield

[wheat sigil]

if you hit the parry frame perfect, you take damage and your shield is damaged
definitely not buggy!

[lunar minnow]

I know, it's exhausting to hear.

[merry sapphire]

#TF

[lunar minnow]

I feel like... That's wrong...

Not the fact.

Just... That it exists-

[wheat sigil]

maybe... slightly...

[harsh egret]

pretty sure thats accurate

[lunar minnow]

I feel like frame perfect parries should not damage you-

[merry sapphire]

to be fair if you manage to frame perfect parry its fair that the game damages you cause you gotta get nerfed

[lunar minnow]

Is there anyway to avoid that damage when you parry? Like if it's not frame perfect?

[merry sapphire]

Dude, i know i dont Say this alot,,, but i think,,, on this one,,, i Might Agree with you,,,

[wheat sigil]

you hit those randomly too, many probably don't notice it when it happens

[lunar minnow]

Is there a joke that's just going over my head? 😭

[wheat sigil]

if it's not frame perfect the parry works as intended

[inner wigeon]

The fact that you can get hit and parry something is what I’m talking about

This games also not perfect, bugs where your block is just ignored happens too (I’m not mad about these, they’re just bugs)

[merry sapphire]

you the type of dude to see someone being eaten alive and say "Thats not right,,,"

[wheat sigil]

not a bug, but you can't even always bring your shield up to parry/block!! super annoying lol

[lunar minnow]

Oh, then it's a bug then.

[wheat sigil]

yes

[lunar minnow]

:(

[lunar minnow]

Thanks. 😭

[harsh egret]

[lunar minnow]

Appreciate it. 😭

[merry sapphire]

im Jus Pullin Yo Leg, Ashed One

[lunar minnow]

I'm not good at reading tone in texts, at all. 😵‍💫

[merry sapphire]

Thats Okay

[wheat sigil]

your capitalization isn't however

[lunar minnow]

True that. 😭

[wheat sigil]

i need to get back to the tda grind... but eternal and fricking clash royale steals muh time

[lunar minnow]

Bye M1!

Have fun!

[wheat sigil]

i'm not leaving chat lol, i'm just talking generally

[lunar minnow]

Oh.

[wheat sigil]

you're not rid of me that easily

unfortunately

[lunar minnow]

So many people were so angry though when Dark Ages came out.

I wonder how much backlash the game got in regards to the server.

How many people came in the server and started going off about everything wrong in it. 😭

[harsh egret]

it was rly bad

still is but less often nowadays

[wheat sigil]

it's annoying too because among the people who think it's good there's a significantly smaller chance of them coming and saying how good it is

so you get a skewed perspective

[harsh egret]

yup

[wheat sigil]

same for all games

[lunar minnow]

Definitely...

I mean, I'll be honest, I think I was a bit taken a back at how different it was too.

But, I'm not outright saying it's bad.

It's fun! I think I just need time to warm up to it.

Because I played so much Eternal.

People just feel attacked if people don't like what they like.

And say it's the best one in the series.

Because now the new game might be the best for some people.

And that hurts them to think about.

All the games are equally as good, it's just preference.
It's like dating, you might enjoy some people more than others.. Doesn't mean they aren't as good as each other in quality.

Anyways, I'm going to head off, I'm pretty tired, I'll see you guys later.

[wheat sigil]

what the hell is your sleep cycle😭 eep well doe

[lunar minnow]

I never feel not tired and I don't sleep much if at all. 😭
Anyways night night!

[wheat sigil]

wonder if the first and second thing is correlated.... noo... can't be

[frail bloom]

Alr I'm gonna do my 4th playthrough on 120% speed

Slowly build my way up to 150%

[stoic sleet]

The early release aswell had mfs calling id the worst dev team ever

[round portal]

bfgood123 I'm in-chapter 15 it will not let me jump threw TEH TRAVEL PORTAL

ANY IDEAS

[craggy basalt]

so pissed cause i was mid UN run and I thought I needed to hold up my shield for something to go through fire just to go from full health to death in literally under 1 and a half seconds

[cobalt fog]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doomed-doomguy-doom-the-dark-ages-gif-14386385973103722177

[hard thistle]

bfgood123

[stoic sleet]

Is ur boyfriend good or is the bfg ood?

[frail bloom]

I just beat the vagary champion in under 30 seconds using the pulverizer

Holy cow it is a good weapon

Imma try it out some more

[wheat sigil]

maybe it's both, double message

[hard thistle]

bfg out of date

[hard thistle]

hi mouse1

wtf, i rlly thought ur pfp was the steam sale girl 💀

[frail bloom]

Why does it switch to a different weapon sometimes

A bit annoying

[wheat sigil]

hi!
my name does not stand for mouse1

[stoic sleet]

bros mad we discovered the truth

[frank turtle]

doom

[stoic sleet]