the-dark-ages

[hard thistle]

The games do suffer one critical flaw, though, one painful truth we must address……………

[frail bloom]

I barely see it

[hard thistle]

Thank you.

[frail bloom]

Nowadays

[hard thistle]

The flaw is………………..

[frail bloom]

👀

[hard thistle]

NOT ENOUGH DEMONS TO MURDER!!

[frail bloom]

hey vega I was only yelling

[hard thistle]

But seriously, I’m grateful id software gave us an absolute masterpiece of a trilogy, and am genuinely excited for what comes next.

[frail bloom]

Hey maybe tda master levels will utilize the amount of monsters that can be used, maybe like 10 mancubi and 15 hell knights in an arena

Plus like 30 grunts

Definetly possible with the new engine

[frank turtle]

it absolutely needs to, I want my frames dropping from the amount of super heavys on my screen

[hard thistle]

That’ll be epic on a scale hitherto undreamt of!

[frail bloom]

Frame drops are from underoptimized decorations tho, like the electric hallway in the world spear master levels, I don't think your frames will drop with heavier demons being utilized more

[frank turtle]

I fw the pfp, I wish we got more with the dark lord

[frank turtle]

then keep adding them until it does

jkjk

[frail bloom]

Oh ok

[hard thistle]

And since the Dark Ages takes place in the “Clone Wars” period of Doomguy’s life, all I’d ask to see are:

• the creation and donning of his Praetor Suit from 2016
• Davoth’s whispers being heard by the Argenta and Maykrs, driving them to Civil War. That’d be a crazy story to tell!

[real lynx]

TDA runs pretty well

[frail bloom]

Most likely will dive in deeper for the next game, the dlc might set it up tho, it's important they flesh things out

[stoic sleet]

force chokes you

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/amused-darth-vader-star-wars-lack-of-faith-gif-12273206

[arctic verge]

War never changes

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-metal-gear-solid-phantom-pain-venom-snake-gif-5631901306578330322

[split gate]

We need more positivity like this

[sacred ravine]

How do I get the shield saw thing for my pfp?

[frank turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-skywalker-i-hate-you-anakin-i-hate-you-i-dont-like-you-gif-18829084

[north spire]

I’m hoping they tackle another series and give it the doom 2016 treatment

It would be very cool :)

[foggy breach]

I feel like TDA gotten the 2016 treatment which is good compared to Eternal..

[north spire]

…I don’t understand :p

[foggy breach]

What I mean is that Eternal seems like the odd one out of 2016 and TDA.

On how they been handled in everything if you get my drift.

[neon moss]

Holy crap, anyone who hasn't played on 150% yet, do it now. So much more fun than 100%.

[foggy breach]

Wait, they don't have the Komodo Champion's theme included with the ost?

Damnation is such a peak song.

[north spire]

I think Eternal’s more reserved energy was decided due to the speed of the game. Initially, some of these tracks were around 200 bpm and it annoyed people that were constantly failing at the more difficult sections. Therefore, mick brought the speed down so that the music can still stand out but not to the point where it stresses you out

[foggy breach]

I find Andrew Hulshult and David Levy's soundtrack to be better than Mick's soundtrack in Eternal tbh.

[merry pumice]

yall watching the mayo stream with hugo?

[frail bloom]

When????

[foggy breach]

Def the base campaign of Eternal.

[frail bloom]

WHEEEENNNNN

AAUUUGHGHGHGH

I guess I'll find out tommorrow

[foggy breach]

Eh, TDA is on the same level of TAG when I listen to them.

Yeah, TAG and TDA is on top of the list of Doom's soundtracks I really love.

Include 2016 too.

For me.. it's TAG 1st, TDA 2nd and 2016 as 3rd.

Some of the tracks like Immora puts it high up there for me personally.

[frank turtle]

what's ur top 3 doom games?

[foggy breach]

TDA, Eternal and Doom 2. (might change when I replay 2016 tho)

I like Doom 2 but some maps are meh.

I only like Eternal for the gameplay and that's like my only reason.

TDA is like one of the best Doom games they made.

[frank turtle]

#1 doom 1/2 #2 TDA #3 eternal

idk I kinda consider doom 1 & 2 to be the same game

[foggy breach]

I mean you're not wrong sorta..

[frank turtle]

id rank doom 2 over doom 1

so probably doom 2, doom 1, tda

as my top 3

[foggy breach]

I gotta replay some games to have more of a opinion on this, lol.

[frank turtle]

#1 doom 2
#2 doom 1
#3 TDA
#4 Eternal
#5 doom 64
#6 doom 2016
#7 doom 3

I genuinely like every doom game, even 3

[north spire]

i disagree, but i will say that quite a few of these tracks are severely under appreciated

especially Blood Spill

[foggy breach]

Ngl, I hope we see some sprites from the Classic Dooms integrated into the Modern series.

[north spire]

we kinda did with the doom 64 zombieman

and the 2016 baron of hell

and the classic revenant skin from eternal

[foggy breach]

Like these for example..

[north spire]

ohhhhhh

that would be cool

[foggy breach]

It would be cool to see them again!

[whole mural]

Good list

Just put 64 first and 2016 and dark ages down one and thats mine

[merry pumice]

right now.

[tired rock]

It's funny to see people rambling about TDA being "not well optimized" because apparently their 3060 can only run TDA in 60fps while having the resolution on 1080p.

Brother. The game barely hits 100 gb and 3060 is a budget GPU and it's almost 5 years old now.

[whole mural]

Am I the only one who has a 3060 and isn’t complaining

Wow that’s crazy

I had no issues with the 3060 and dark ages

[foggy breach]

What is the soundtrack for the level Resurrection?

[dim gust]

why eternal low

[hard thistle]

I'm planning on getting a 3060 pc for my birthday this year

[north spire]

I have an unpopular opinion:
Im indifferent towards the dragon, but I actually kinda like the mech segments

They’re extremely simple and not as good as the main gameplay, but I’m a fan of giant monsters/robots and the destruction physics are some of the best I’ve seen in a while

I’m okay with it in small bursts

Dragon’s kinda boring though, I don’t care about that :p

[foggy breach]

I have a feeling in the DLC of TDA, we might go after some Dark Lords?

[north spire]

It’s probably gonna be the hell priests

[foggy breach]

Yeah, in the ending, the Slayer's suit says "Targets identified" and who else would it be referring to?

[real crater]

yall seen the new update that hugo martin announced

[north spire]

Every demon that ever existed in hell probably

[north spire]

No?

[foggy breach]

Ong, I hope we kill that Belias.

[frank turtle]

hugo was on mayo's stream, did he say anything about future updates

[frank turtle]

the shield bash quick swaping is gonna stay in the game cause it's a more advanced exploit

[frank turtle]

an upcoming patch is gonna tune the chaingunners

[real crater]

apparently he said they were gonna make some agaddon hunter attacks non parryable and reduced ammo for powerful guns like the chainshot and rocket launcher

[frank turtle]

ooo

[real crater]

its gonna drop during quakecon

enjoy your full ammo count for another month cuz itll be gone after that

[frank turtle]

lmaoo

[lunar minnow]

Do you think they'll add a horde mode?

Like they did in Eternal? Or some extra game mode that we can play?

[frank turtle]

I hope so

[lunar minnow]

Same.

[frank turtle]

either on the dlc update, or before, they plan to add an extra slider section on the parry window to make it insanely tight

[lunar minnow]

Definitely.

I feel as though it would be added similiarly to how they made an update 6.66 for DOOM Eternal.

And had it in that update.

[frank turtle]

I'm a sucker for this games level design so flying the dragon around while sightseeing is awesome lol

[frank turtle]

yeah I could see that

[lunar minnow]

I find the dragon is a nice change of pace.

Allows you to just relax.

[frank turtle]

yeah, I agree that the combat could be better, but I don't find myself being bored while playing

serrat is just a really sick addition to the slayer

[lunar minnow]

He is. :)

Maybe they'll add more to the combat.

Skies the limit here.

Wonder when the DLC will come out.

[jade bear]

I own a 9070XT and in some battles the FPS dropped noticeably

but overall it's pretty smooth framerates

[ember fox]

what settings do you run

[jade bear]

1080p ultra nightmare 4096 texture

FSR Native AA

by the way since I finished the game early, I won't comment on path tracing

still there's no way I can play at 30 FPS :D

[frank turtle]

hugo said no co-op but he hinted towards something like horde mode or something completely new 👀

[neon perch]

I love the mech segments. It's fun to pummel the big fuckers like imps. The dragon segments though are a bit boring and I have a gamespeed turbo toggle handy for the long flying bits to make them tolerable.

[neon perch]

Okay I knew about the Chainshot and RL ammo nerfs (honestly pointless) but the AH getting unavoidable attacks is fucking stupid. What, so you'll be forced to take shield damage regardless?

[graceful lion]

well, it seems to be the hell lords or whatever

the 6 hell lords which are directly before davoth

ahzrak was simply a politician trying to become one of those hell lords, for reference

[foggy breach]

I guess we'll find out in the DLC then on which Hell lords it is.

[graceful lion]

a video theorizes that the 2 statues we see in the level where we need to take down 2 hell canons to reach ahzrak's palace (where ahzrak isnt) are 2 of the hell lords

[austere tiger]

I'm enjoying this very grounded shield oriented gameplay in the dark ages

I think i still prefer eternal's movement focused gameplay overall but this is really fun. I enjoy that they decided to keep innovating instead of it just feeling like more of the same.

cuz i prefer eternal's gameplay so i'd just still play eternal the most but this one is its completely own thing and its really fun.

And still feels a lot like doom still without entirely losing its identity

[graceful lion]

i mean, its the closest to classic doom from the modern trilogy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNjl9CCjVp0

[austere tiger]

Its really fun

Im thoroughly enjoying tda

[graceful lion]

straight up just modernised classic doom lol

[compact cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lJxCp_4uEA

[fleet spruce]

That's exactly what they have been going for with design of this game!

and it shows too

[maiden onyx]

What are your guys's favourite demon redesigns in this game?

[north spire]

I actually really like the new pinky, it’s like a perfect fusion of the classic and doom 3 pinky

[hard thistle]

i just 100% achievements this game on xbox, it was very peak game ong

[neon perch]

I wished they would've brought back the 64 Pinky. Shit was terrifying.

I actually had hopes that they would change the design for Eternal, I always hated the cutesy stubby pink bull from 2016 that shrieks like a velociraptor and shakes off like a puppy when he runs into things. The only Doom demon that should be cutesy and creepy is the Cacodemon which DE nailed.

The TDA one is just a big dog which I find disappointing. It even has toe beans. Like tf are you doing ID?

[tulip badger]

i always thought the classic pinkies were the cutest demons. they move fast even though they're fatasses, they have a pathetic attack, and can only kill doomguy if they get him stuck and nibble him to death.

the de pinkies are cute pesky piggies that oink and i love them

[merry sapphire]

they arent even called pinkies there theyre file name is straight up called demon

[rotund rune]

No way they're making the Mancubus attack unpparryable

[graceful lion]

where did you hear that

[rotund rune]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/s/H36rGlco2A

I still want to know which stream they're talking about

[graceful lion]

oh sick

[rotund rune]

Definitely not. Parry is so important in this game, I'd hate to lose it against the Mancubus

[graceful lion]

im saying that towards the update

[rotund rune]

Also I'm looking through Mayo's streams and I found nothing

[graceful lion]

so maybe its bullshit?

[rotund rune]

Idk I believe nothing until I see proof

[graceful lion]

then maybe dont believe it???

[slate kestrel]

Also isn’t Hugo on vacation? Thought he wouldn’t be near anything doom for a bit

[north spire]

idk how i feel about removing aggadon hunter parrys cause the whole point is to get up close so that he doesnt bring up his shield

is it gonna be virtually the same or?

[remote thunder]

if true, holy nothingburger patch

[long sparrow]

Really liked the revenant and cyber demon, also the cacodemon and imp

Pinky was awesome too

[frail bloom]

DDDAAAAMMNNN IT I JUST WOKE UP

[frail bloom]

Oh look at what I drew
#artwork message

Why what happened

What changes

What????? How are you gonna dodge the frickin Aggadon then

His range is insane

That sounds stupid as hell

[hard thistle]

Apparently the idea is you have to simply block the attacks and can only parry some.

[frail bloom]

But he literally breaks your shield

Why the change??? What about the slo mo and different resource sliders people were asking for????

[hard thistle]

I'm assuming the idea is that the attacks you are supposed to block will NOT break your shield.

[frail bloom]

Hm

[tulip badger]

cool book! are you part of iD or is it a different dev team

[hard thistle]

Are there any other known changes beyond the Agaddon, Mancubus, and and reduced ammo stuff?

[hard thistle]

I direct my own dev team, not related to id. The lore book is just me being a nerd lol. Thanks!

[frail bloom]

@uneven mortar hey look reduced ammo count

Idk how much

Where is this supposed stream

[hard thistle]

I don't know, but the post says they would reduce the ammo count of the Chainshot and launchers.

[frail bloom]

...

So, the stream everyone is freaking abt, has anyone seen it?

Has Mayo confirmed a stream?

[graceful lion]

powered by autism™

[hard thistle]

I'm pretty sure it was Hugo showing up in an UnderTheMayo stream to announce we'd see 2.0 at QuakeCon.

[frail bloom]

Sweet, now I gotta watch a 4 hour mayo stream...

[graceful lion]

just play a game for 4 hours until you hear hugo's soothing voice

[frail bloom]

Alr, I'll write down some notes

IT'S SIX HOURS

I'm in for a long one

[split gate]

Fuck I died on the first arena in Abyssal Forest in UN

Progress is progress

[neon gust]

this is where I used to die

[split gate]

I need to eliminate that empowered Mancubus first next time

[neon gust]

here's a tip that helped a lot: take down the shielded soldiers and the revenant first, then sneak behind the mancubus using the leftmost path to prevent any Nightmare Imps spawning

take down the shielded soldiers + chaingunner next, then the plasma shielded soldiers

eliminate the arachnotron and stone imps in priority

once all of that's done and all that remains are fodder and stalker imps, deal with the whiplash

grab the soul sphere once you're finished

[split gate]

Noice bro

[neon gust]

this gameplan worked for me even though I used to die all the time at this section

now I still die to the level, only later!

idk I usually never deal with that AOE attack anyway

I'm always far enough away that he won't do it

and besides mancubi are pushovers thanks to the shield saw

I'm more concerned about the Agaddon Hunter changes personally

dealing with one is already rather difficult, I'd rather he didn't get tougher

[rotund rune]

Wasn't he on vacation?

[hard thistle]

I don't know. Maybe!

[frail bloom]

Aw man they're removing that?? But it was cool

Impaler long range it is then

[remote thunder]

agaddon change sounds cool, it'd be even better though if the unparriable attacks also had little to no tracking at close range so you could strafe them with good timing

[harsh egret]

wait what mayo stream hugo doom changes update what huh what is happening

[rotund rune]

Can't any person on this community find the stream Hugo said that? This might as well be a lie and no one knows because no one checked

[harsh egret]

agaddon unparryable melee attacks makes zero sense to me

[remote thunder]

reacting to whether an attack is parriable or not is still braindead in this context cause all of them have 3 month long windups

lateral movement is cool so i'm disappointed it's just another reaction check, and not a difficult one at that

[frail bloom]

So I have to run away

Wouldn't it take longer to kill him

[remote thunder]

they explode if you hit every parry (2-3 parries to falter depending on the attacks you get, and killing them off of one falter is easy)

it makes perfect sense

[frail bloom]

Idk I just have to see why they're doing what they're doing

Is that all tho? It's called 2.0 cuz of big changes

Those don't sound very big

[frail bloom]

I think it's the latest mayo stream

[harsh egret]

im sure hugo isnt gonna go around and ramble about a big update 2 months ahead of time and say what it is already, especially when he prob doesnt even know for sure everything that will be in it

[rotund rune]

I found nothing there

[frail bloom]

You watched the entire 6 hours????

[harsh egret]

i havent watched anything yet but from what i saw hugo joins in somewhere in the dragon level

[frail bloom]

Look at the comments

[merry pumice]

i listened to the stream. hugo suggested they weave more red attacks into strings of green parryable attacks. they wouldn’t break your shield though

[frail bloom]

That sounds neat

[rotund rune]

Obviously not

[harsh egret]

idk some of these things sounds weird to me, but i'll let them cook ig

[merry pumice]

Agadon hunter, hell knight specifically. He also said the mancubus self defense slam should be red and break your shield

i watched the whole 6 hours lol

[frail bloom]

Wdym Hellknight

[merry pumice]

which i agree with because what are you doing getting point blank w a manc

[merry pumice]

All of HK’s attacks are green rn, hugo said maybe one or two could be red

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[graceful lion]

he wants HKs o be a threat, because they should be

[merry pumice]

nah that’s a good idea. HK’s are an embarrassment

[frail bloom]

I just have to wait and see

And adjust

[harsh egret]

also why is hugo cronically online man, on vacation talking about future updates in mayo's stream

[frail bloom]

Not in Doom 3

[merry pumice]

also he said he knows about the shield bash quickswap tech and it’s unclear weather or not it’ll be allowed to stay as a grandfathered in “feature” for being difficult to perform (kinda like punch swapping in DE) or removed for being too ease

[frail bloom]

BECAUSE HE CARES ABT US THAT'S WHY

[harsh egret]

just put the man on twitter and post stuff there tf

[merry pumice]

Ikr lol

[frail bloom]

But that tech is hard to do and work with, why remove it when only the top elite are using it

[harsh egret]

i wanna see him ramble about random doom shit and responding to stuff on twitter

[frail bloom]

I'm having a tough time integrating it rn

Doesn't break the game

[merry pumice]

he said it strattles the line between too easy and just difficult enough

[frail bloom]

But the quickswitching itself doesn't help much

It only works on like certain demons

[merry pumice]

we’ll have to see what people can do with it at a lower level. hugo said they’ve always supported this “rich get richer” philosophy of rewarding high skilledness

[remote thunder]

it's kinda worse than using weapons normally, you don't see it in speedruns

[frail bloom]

@wheat sigil

[merry pumice]

which is why they kept punch swapping in eternal as well as the QSE from the precision bolt i’m pretty sure was unintentional at the beginning

[frail bloom]

I THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER

He and I were arguing abt its usefulness

[merry pumice]

speedruns are route dependent. game is a month old, i’m sure in the future we’ll see reroutes of certain arenas which involve QSE

[frail bloom]

I said it was worse, they said it was better

[wheat sigil]

i am very much still of the opinion that integrating shield swaps can be useful

[merry pumice]

i haven’t fully experimented with it myself (mainly it’s difficult to keep a chain going bc I haven’t built muscle memory and pattern recognition for it like eternal yet)

i end up blowing myself up with rockets lol

[remote thunder]

it's not fse cause it just cancels reload animations, the swap animations are identical to regular ones. there's also no deadswapping so you can't do something like ssg -> ssg at double speed

[rotund rune]

Do you know when he appeared?

[frail bloom]

That's what I said

They said nuh uh

[rotund rune]

https://www.youtube.com/live/JekZErqLNKc?si=KkyI6NV-2wkOr55V
Couldn't find but he's here

[harsh egret]

58:30

[remote thunder]

impaler fires exactly once per second and i'm pretty sure the swap animation is slower than that

[merry pumice]

58:40

[frail bloom]

Huh lemme try

[remote thunder]

salvage headshots do more damage than point blank ssg in some cases

so in a context like that, normal impaler usage is better

[merry pumice]

yes but if you can sneak in an SSG shot whilst the cooldown for the impaler is active it’ll out DPS

[frail bloom]

Hugo just barged in

He sounds so nasal

I am actively smiling rn

[hollow sandal]

Lol

[frail bloom]

Is my goat sick

Or is it the call quality

[hollow sandal]

Where is he? I didn't hear him at 58:40

[frail bloom]

Just keep watching

[hollow sandal]

Ok thanks

[frail bloom]

He's there

Ground shockwave falters considered for dlc?

The team's thinking abt it

"Dlc is a chance to refine loop for dark ages"

"Meaty dlc"

[graceful lion]

the world if gabe newell was open :

[frail bloom]

"New Ai plays off metas"

[graceful lion]

https://tenor.com/view/future-city-scifi-gif-8981694204001806108

[frail bloom]

SOUNDS AWESOME

[graceful lion]

oh shit thats cool

[harsh egret]

lol we're more or less watching in tandem

[slate kestrel]

If they really do make some enemies lose some of their parryable attacks, won’t that just make combat slower?

[frail bloom]

@remote thunder

Sorry to bother I'm not as experienced as you

Idk if that makes combat slower or harder

Whether naturally harder or artificially harder

[slate kestrel]

It makes it slower, and more boring. The flow of knowing the parry timing and where to stand is already annoying for say the hunters

Making you eat attacks that will break your shield seems just annoying

[frail bloom]

? It's pretty easy if you know what you're doing, you can kill an agaddon it 10 seconds if you're good

[slate kestrel]

I know. But you can’t do that if some attacks become red now

[frail bloom]

I think your shield won't break as much during those attacks

[slate kestrel]

They’ve already made one or two of his attacks straight up break the shield.

[frail bloom]

Those specific attacks

I think since they have like a month they'll fine tune it

[hollow sandal]

Muh Boi Hugo

[slate kestrel]

Hopefully. Just seems odd to do such big changes when most people have already put the game down for good.

[rotund rune]

Shockwave in the Doom DLC confirmed!!?

[frail bloom]

Well, he cares abt the people who play regulary and want more

[frail bloom]

Kinda, they're thinking abt how to use it in a more meta way

[hasty stone]

Fuck that aggadon

[barren warren]

to really push players into the fun zone, they should totally make every agaddon hunter attack have a chance of being parryable, with non-parryable attacks instantly killing you

[slate kestrel]

I’m all for changes. But how does making an enemy have to hit you make the game more engaging

[frail bloom]

How would you dodge that.

Tell me

[barren warren]

luck 👍

i’m being sarcastic

[hasty stone]

Agaddon is annoying as shit early gameplay

[slate kestrel]

They need to shoot skulls less, and that’s it.

Their melee is fine

[hasty stone]

Hugo is going to make the shield less useful and turn it into eternal

[harsh egret]

they also NEED to make the revenant skulls attack be random instead of the same 2 being parryable

[barren warren]

“every attack now instantly breaks the shield on nightmare”

[hollow sandal]

You May know this already, but you can make him stop by getting in his face

[frail bloom]

Hold on, I'm pretty sure you block some and parry others

[barren warren]

“when your shield is broken your weapon switch speed is increased by 200% because eternal good”

[hollow sandal]

Good thinking

[slate kestrel]

You know for a fact he will still spam that even in his face

[hasty stone]

Hugo is gonna balance the game for 5 years

[hollow sandal]

Hmm never happened to me

[slate kestrel]

Every other aggadon decides to stay away and just shoot skulls half the fight

[frail bloom]

Never had that problem

He's usually very aggressive up close

[lunar minnow]

Yeah- I'm going to have to say I've never had that..

Not sure where you got that from.

[slate kestrel]

Me beating the game 3 times?

[frail bloom]

So? Maybe you suck

[remote thunder]

agaddons die off of one falter (no mace needed, you can do that as soon as the first one shows up in ch 8) so i don't think it'll noticeably slow things down there. you get shield throw before hell knights even show up for the first time so i don't think that'll be noticeable either. i could see armored knights being more threatening if some of their projectiles were unparriable, but if not, your armor breaking tools are so good that it still won't matter

[lunar minnow]

You might have been getting unlucky with the AI...

[slate kestrel]

True my UN runs were awful

[remote thunder]

will this make things harder? yeah, if times to kill become even slightly longer then that is objectively an increase in difficulty. will it matter? probably not

[frail bloom]

Ye sometimes the ai is a bit buggy but most times you can kill them quickly

[slate kestrel]

Wonder how many enemies will be tuned by the time this comes out

[frail bloom]

Richochet meta for dlc????

Hugo is talking abt a lot of stuff

[autumn dawn]

is there some way to mod the game so you can fight Titans outside the Atlan?

(in the Atlan levels)

[lunar minnow]

They seem to have some big ideas for the DLC.

[hollow sandal]

Yes, look at muricaneagle channel

[barren warren]

changes that would make the dark ages more epic:

• chaingunners no longer takes a break from firing between bursts
• arachnotrons now have triple health and can fire mines while shooting their cannon
• soldiers only fire the tripwire projectile with stronger homing
• nightmare imps are invincible whilst lunging
• vaggary acid now covers the entire map’s ground
• using the bfc will spawn a komodo behind you in real life

[graceful lion]

dont expect it to work well with finishers and shit

[graceful lion]

yeah arachnotrons were fucking pathetic

ssg and a shield bash, boom they are gone

[split gate]

Goated behaviour

[hollow sandal]

Hugo pleewaaase 😭

[graceful lion]

oh i just noticed thats a shitpost

[frail bloom]

You're trying to give me a heart attack

[barren warren]

i wouldn’t mind arachnotron’s taking 2 ssg shots as you can still sawstun them

[lunar minnow]

Last one is funny.

[barren warren]

but i hate them so either way works

[frail bloom]

Eh they're pressure units, I think having low health suits them

You still track them down regardless

[lunar minnow]

They're very easy to dispatch though I've found.

Shouldn't they be a bit harder?

[frail bloom]

Ye sure but you focus on them if they're there

[slate kestrel]

Arachnotrons should shoot at you until you die, this would be a good change

[remote thunder]

cool, but let us manually detonate the mines

[barren warren]

“replaced the armored arachnotron’s ballista with a bfc”

[frail bloom]

Now that's a good idea

[barren warren]

neeeed this

[lunar minnow]

[barren warren]

and a more noticeable highlight for the mines

[frail bloom]

New dlc enemy👀

[barren warren]

cosmic arachnotron

[frail bloom]

Hmm

[lunar minnow]

What do you guys think the story of the DLC will be?

The testaments?

[frail bloom]

No lol

[barren warren]

killing the witch for good

[frail bloom]

Not even close

[barren warren]

or dunking on hell priests for the funnies

[slate kestrel]

Was her end not definitive??

[frail bloom]

Most likely the very early slayer testaments, hunting those who wronged him

[lunar minnow]

I thought it's be logical so that we bridge the gap between dark ages and 2016...

[autumn dawn]

i'm still surprised that the SSG can one shot Mancubi, Hell Knights, and Arachnotrons

[barren warren]

based on the codex, she exists beyond her physical form in the cosmic realm

[frail bloom]

Look above

[lunar minnow]

Like when the temple fell on him.

[lunar minnow]

Ah.

[frail bloom]

Dawg those events are eons apart

[lunar minnow]

😭

[pearl geode]

Hello

[lunar minnow]

Still though.
Would have been cool!

[split gate]

Jumping the hell council with the boys

[frail bloom]

Hugo said he wants to make more games, I say let them cook

We need a bigger budget to fight the champion titan

[lunar minnow]

Absolutely.
But still, it would be insane to see the temple fall on the Slayer and them inscribing the symbol.

[lunar minnow]

That'd be fun!

[barren warren]

new demon added: the baalgar, attacks instantly force you into a stone coffin and ban you from the game until 2149

[frail bloom]

I agree but it would break the lore and stop doom games from flowing on, I'd rather wait.

[lunar minnow]

[frail bloom]

I know this is a joke but I'm pretty sure we fight the baalgar in the third age

[lunar minnow]

I would too, I just wanted to hear your guys thoughts!

I'm excited for it though, I can't wait to see more of the Slayers lore.

[barren warren]

imagine they bring back bruisers as lesser baalgars

[frail bloom]

Ye maybe we get a medieval trilogy

[autumn dawn]

force the Slayer, or you, the player?

[lunar minnow]

:o

That'd be so awesome!

[barren warren]

both for immersion

[lunar minnow]

I wonder where they'll take it from Dark Ages though.

[frail bloom]

Oh ye I drew a bruiser modernized#screenshots message

[lunar minnow]

Theme wise, they never make the same game twice.

[barren warren]

“i want to be like doom slayer” mfs when they get shoved into a stone coffin for eternity

[frail bloom]

Maybe the civil war?

[split gate]

The final boss is Hugo Martin and he will make the fun zone of all time

[lunar minnow]

Possibly.

[barren warren]

arena is all purple goo with spinning fire traps

[lunar minnow]

Thus reminds me of the Easter egg in the first doom games! Where behind the Icon of sin was a png of the developer.

[barren warren]

eye mouth goes hard as fuck

[autumn dawn]

mfs when they are traumatized after eons of being in Hell and fighting demons

[frail bloom]

Ye the bruiser has that screen where it shows teeth or an eye, so I mixed the two

And made it more natural

[lunar minnow]

I feel as though this could get really complicated due to how many parties we know are involved.

[barren warren]

new parryable bruiser attack where they shoot their eye at you

like the whole eye

[frail bloom]

Ye sure why not

[frail bloom]

Well that's why they need to develop a campaign over it

It might be 30 levels

[lunar minnow]

Definitely, they'd need to expand things out.

[barren warren]

i would like to humiliate marauders again

[lunar minnow]

Next game will be 1000000 Gb.

[barren warren]

as well as their pre-divinity machine forms

[autumn dawn]

i don't want to see Thira die on screen any time

[barren warren]

call of doom 2030

[frail bloom]

Why is that?

If novik is dead, she's most likely dead

[lunar minnow]

Definitely.

8 DLCs.

[autumn dawn]

because she's really cool and powerful, not to mention kinda attractive

i know she's dead, i just don't want to see her die onscreen

[lunar minnow]

I think most of the sentinels after the civil war died.

[barren warren]

takes place after tag2 where you play as an ARC soldier who got sent to mars for assaulting a commanding officer, only for cosmic realm monsters to invade

[frail bloom]

Her head will be ripped off in front of you.

[autumn dawn]

no...

[lunar minnow]

They're not thriving.

[frail bloom]

Yes.

[lunar minnow]

Samir! Mean :<

[autumn dawn]

don't ruin this for me ´ ~ `

[solid nacelle]

Boo-yah boo-yah

[frail bloom]

Nah it gives it that gritty no one is safe feeling

[barren warren]

they still haven’t explained thira’s wraith powers aside from “she knows the magics”

[lunar minnow]

2016 vibes.

[frail bloom]

I lve those

[autumn dawn]

but i hate it when women are decapitated

[lunar minnow]

What a sentence.

[slate kestrel]

Bruh

[frail bloom]

I'm assuming the cosmic realm unlocked her mind

[lunar minnow]

[slate kestrel]

[frail bloom]

Hugo gets emails in his inbox abt the story

What????

[lunar minnow]

Imagine being told just "trash" after spending over a year on a story. 😭

[frail bloom]

That's hilarious

[barren warren]

“huge oats, why is doom man get ass kicked by cosmo magic?”

[frail bloom]

Yup I'm calling him huge oats from now on

[split gate]

Haters ain’t shit bro

[barren warren]

my favorite part of eternal was the “hug oats” box in the arc facility convenient store

and dopenuts

[lunar minnow]

Definitely! Doom is great! No matter what people may think of it.

Each game has its unique flair to it!

[slate kestrel]

Fake. Eternal is the only good one! (Lie)

[barren warren]

every-time someone criticizes modern doom’s writing, hugo makes another retcon

[frail bloom]

To spite us

[lunar minnow]

Eternal is good because it gave us the Slayer at his highest strength!

2016 is nice because it shows us his demeanor and unchecked rage!

Dark Ages is good because it shows a young and eager Slayer that makes mistakes but gets up and defeats evil!

[split gate]

TDA is so fun tho, I’m enjoying UN even if I die a lot

[lunar minnow]

[barren warren]

in dlc1 through a random stone carving hidden in the corner of a map, we learn that davoth is actually doom’s real son that travelled back in time to become the real creator of the universe

[split gate]

Like I wanna master this game

[autumn dawn]

now the chuds know that Doomguy can die!

[lunar minnow]

No very well though...

Not*

"Pay the fare."

"No."

[autumn dawn]

Doomguy dies

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Repeat

[slate kestrel]

Still waiting to learn about prime evils so we can learn what they even are

[lunar minnow]

I love how canonically though if he dies, he just comes back and fights his way until you're back where you died then the game let's you continue playing.

[slate kestrel]

Reminds me of Asuras wrath. Where you die in lore, but just rush out of the afterlife and come back later

[barren warren]

doom the dark ages nightmare max sliders but every-time you die, you have to replay chapter 19 from start to finish

[lunar minnow]

💀

Where do you keep thinking of this stuff?

[barren warren]

i enjoy learning the intricacies of modern doom’s mechanics so i can come up with ideas for awful changes

[lunar minnow]

Sounds like a lot of work.

[barren warren]

i’m still waiting for a full spreadsheet of weapon damage and demon health values

[merry pumice]

hugo said they might release that

but in eternal and 2016 people just found that out thru the consoles

it was answered on mayos stream last night

[ruby adder]

?

what

i didnt ask you bro

i asked the japanese named guy

[slate kestrel]

Surprised the impaler isn’t getting its ammo nerfed. Has to be my most used weapon on any run

[north spire]

Im just hoping they don’t overcorrect things

[solid pagoda]

Hello doom gamers

[harsh egret]

Fuck man, when Hugo says "i cant wait for u guys to see what we're working on" and thats outside of dlcs and stuff, man they are cooking stuff

i want it now

[solid pagoda]

Mmm dark ages horde mode😋

[split gate]

where are you guys getting this info from, is Hugo doing another livestream?

[harsh egret]

on mayo's stream, im making a list of news and updates from it rn as i watch to post on twitter after as well since its been fun to post that on there for ppl to see
i can send u what i have from what ive watched so far if u want

[split gate]

you're a legend bro

[harsh egret]

theres some more stuff so its ofc pretty cool to watch urself if u have the time but yeah

[solid pagoda]

Can I see too

[harsh egret]

• Making chaingunners more of a threat (upcoming patch)

• Dragon tutorial segments will get removed (i assume it will be a setting?)

• Probably adding an extra tier on the parry window difficulty where you would have to be pixel perfect with your parries (DLC update, maybe sooner)

• Enhancing the visuals of the pinky bite attack and taking it OFF the brink-of-death list (upcoming patch)

• The Marauder was a big part of early TDA prototypes

• Hugo mentions "I can't wait to share with you guys all of the other stuff we have going on, it's killing me to not talk about it right now but it's pretty awesome."
  He also talks about how people are comparing the value proposition of Eternal vs TDA whereas Eternal got more than a year worth of updates. "Give us some time here, we will increase the value proposition over the course of the next year."

i didnt put exactly everything into that list but its most of the unknown stuff that he has talked about so far from what i watched

[graceful lion]

yeah eternal didnt get all of its stuff in a day

[harsh egret]

yup

[solid pagoda]

Trueee

[harsh egret]

the parry window stuff he mentioned on a prev stream already but he didnt specify when it would come, so i added the "coming in dlc update, maybe sooner" cuz he mentioned that this time

[split gate]

Peak is coming lads, let's goo

we're in the peak ages

[harsh egret]

they are cooking harder than i thought they are from the sound of it

[split gate]

covid ain't holding them back, they will cook so hard

this feels like Eternal for me again, I'm so hyped over Doom content, I haven't felt this in a while haha

[graceful lion]

they boutta achieve what they did in eternal in a year in 6 months

[split gate]

this about to be epic

and even more so

[graceful lion]

there is only one problem with tda
ITS TOO SHORT RAHH 🔥

i need that shit to be a 50 hour slaughter campaign

[split gate]

I think the campaign has a good length, I've played it over 5 times now, it's a solid campaign, the best imo

[graceful lion]

10 minute fights of demons constantly spawning, ahzrak has consumed some eldritch CRACK and is commanding the horde like crazy

[grim cloud]

what is the tda 2.0 rumor i keep hearing about ...

[split gate]

UN is kicking my butt but I'm loving mastering the game

[graceful lion]

tldr massive update coming to tda

[solid pagoda]

He need something more permanent I think

[split gate]

"If TDA is so great why isn't there TDA 2?" and they answered

[grim cloud]

New Game Plus please, and ++, then +++

and ++++

[solid pagoda]

Ooo

[harsh egret]

i didnt get to the part where he mentions the 2.0 update yet

[grim cloud]

and finally, +++++

[solid pagoda]

Hell yea

[harsh egret]

but that sounds awesome

wait did he say ng+?

[solid pagoda]

But ye I think TDA is gonna get more meat on its bones

[grim cloud]

no, i said ng+

That is whats needed

[harsh egret]

oh fuck u

[split gate]

How would New Game Plus work though, would a Master Level Campaign serve the same purpose?

[harsh egret]

i need ng+

[graceful lion]

PLEASE this game will be amazing with ng+

[harsh egret]

if they are working on a master level campaign thats fuckin crazy

i would be surprised tho

[split gate]

PLEASE ID

[grim cloud]

Master level campaign would kinda do that yes, but then we need super master level camp, then grand super master, and so on because i said

[split gate]

They would have to come up with a whole bunch of new encounters for each one, that may actually take a while

TDA would have to do new game + very differently compared to other games given the philosophy of the game

[grim cloud]

yes it would be work, i agree. Might ahve to add new AI variants to keep things fresh depending how far id is willing to go. its a BIG job. More like my personal wish list

[wheat sigil]

randomizer

[harsh egret]

now that.

[split gate]

I feel like Master Level campaign would do the job just as well but if they have a system that can just automate it somehow, it's definitely possible

[grim cloud]

that would be cool to

[split gate]

true true

[harsh egret]

master level campaign is indeed a very big ask for sure, idk if they will

[wheat sigil]

it would be very easy to implement different difficulties for the randomizer too

[split gate]

I'm gonna say I think it's more possible for them given their environment but I don't mind either way

[grim cloud]

randomizer was pretty cool in DE, though it had minor issues with arch viles spawning in unreachable area's

[split gate]

The replayability would be nuts, everyone gets different encounters or something like that

[grim cloud]

Empowered Demons

[wheat sigil]

i think those issues would for the most part be resolved if it's made by id

[grim cloud]

demon kills a slayer, comes back as a stronger version of its self with its own skin and stalks the player

and you could have different empowered demon ranks, making them very strong if it kills many slayer players

stories will be told about that imp with a kill count of 60

[slate kestrel]

Stalker imps would be menaces

[harsh egret]

"something very fun with master level is on the way"

[slate kestrel]

A frame perfect parry option? Sounds unnecessary, but people already complain about the lowest setting anyway

[harsh egret]

it sounds easy to ship in an update, and would please some fans that want it

[slate kestrel]

Yeah it shouldn’t be hard to implement. But how much of the community actually ask for this?

[harsh egret]

the lowest setting for me is perfect, in some insances it fks me due to skill issue but i like how it is and i would be down for a rly hard one ngl

[grim cloud]

i like the earier master levels in DE, but not the laster ones so much. They were just too fucking long

[slate kestrel]

Super gore nest master level

[wheat sigil]

tws was really drawn out, the rest were of decent length though, imo

[harsh egret]

i know ppl that like to torture themselves with parries and shit, they would be all in on it

[grim cloud]

i only played them once and never had desire to go back to them. Cant even save your progress

[delicate grotto]

Pretty much.
I doubt this will happen though, unless it was already roadmapped early in development. The main problem with Eternal’s ML was how the campaign was designed, and considering how much larger the levels are in this game, I’d hope they programmed the levels to be a little more accessible for ML implementation.

[wheat sigil]

tn was probably pretty close in length, but didn't feel as drawn out to me

[graceful lion]

FUCKING BALLING

[slate kestrel]

Yeah there are some masochists, but how many people actually want it. Sounds like a very vocal minority who want the game to be eternal 2.0 levels of player downtime

[slender night]

Yet another victory for RAGE 2 in this regard

[harsh egret]

i think many people would be down to try it imo

[split gate]

If they spam 10 chaingunners with their shields not heated in one room, I’m gonna say the gamer word

[slate kestrel]

Parrying already feels funky sometimes when you’re fighting like 3 enemies shooting out attacks. How do you perfect parry 3 projectiles at different times

[harsh egret]

trust me, u just do

they are working on it and it would work 100%

[split gate]

Summon your inner Sekiro

[graceful lion]

the bridge incident of 2025

[slate kestrel]

At least sekiro didn’t have this many gank fights lol

[harsh egret]

i have a friend who was gonna play the game, but i think ill tell him to cancel that until that update comes out with dlc or whevener it comes

he is crazy about sekiro and hard parries and so on

[split gate]

That particular bridge/walkway in the Barracks with the chaingunner…

[graceful lion]

fuck using archer as a slur, me and the boys use chaingunner as a slur

[slate kestrel]

Mortally challenged is my favourite

[graceful lion]

what a fuckin chain-

[split gate]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-explosion-disaster-explode-gif-17774478

[slate kestrel]

Okay wait Hugo said himself that the quakecon update isn’t 2.0, and only the aggadon overhead is being changed.

[light cobalt]

need me some help with pandemonium. i was playing it and lost the save and i started over but the life sigils i collected on the previous attempt are missing

is this normal?

[slate kestrel]

So you died, lost the run and the life sigils are gone on the next run?

[light cobalt]

yes

[slate kestrel]

That is definitely a bug. Should report it wherever you can

[grim cloud]

where is all that being said? did i miss a fb post?

[slate kestrel]

He posted on Reddit

[light cobalt]

how can i report it?

[slate kestrel]

In #screenshots if you want the pic

[slate kestrel]

I’m not entirely sure. Don’t think there’s a bug report feature in game, or a community post thing anywhere

[light cobalt]

only bugsplat but the game has to crash for that\

[slate kestrel]

Would be nice if there was a bug reporting channel here

[grim cloud]

yep i see it now. He must of been lurking here and saw the commotion and posted about it on reddit. 2.0 doesn't exist. We be getting some free stuff though, more to come at QC. Ill be there

[slate kestrel]

Probably just better to keep future updates to streams where he can elaborate and talk more lol. Hugo is one of the best directors, and ID is lucky to have him

[silent surge]

block til he takes a break, hit with impaler, block til break, impaler and shield throw. or, block then shield throw

[frail bloom]

Who called it 2.0 I'd like to meet them

[harsh egret]

well fuck that
hearing hugo say that we are gonna like what they are working on better than a 2nd chainshot gun is better than hearing about some "2.0 patch"

[frail bloom]

HE SAID THERE WAS A SECOND GUN IN THE REAVER CLASS

[harsh egret]

did he tho?

i just heard him say what i just said above there and he said "idk if we will" when asked about a 2nd chainshot gun

[frail bloom]

Oh

[harsh egret]

where did u hear that tho

[frail bloom]

From you

[harsh egret]

u sounded so convinced lol

huh when

[frail bloom]

Idk you said it so nonchalantly

I assumed it was real

Oops

[harsh egret]

aaaah yeah ok ik what u meant

i didnt give context at all to that lol

[harsh egret]

yeah he said smth like "idk if we will, but i think u will like what we are working on better than a 2nd chainshot gun"

but tbf i dont see how there wouldnt be a 2nd chainshot gun in the dlc lol

[proud cloud]

No chaingun type gun in tda?

[frail bloom]

The mech, dragon and turret sections all have chainguns

[proud cloud]

Oh ok

[dreamy kiln]

The shredder is kinda like a chaingun

[hollow sandal]

Yoo watsup zem

[hollow sandal]

I'd say the ravager is more like the chaingun and the shredder is more like the assault rifle

imo

Oh, well yea, Samir is right. The atlan uses a straight up chaingun

[slate kestrel]

I see one as an auto shotgun, and the other as a beam weapon. lol

[frail bloom]

Hey now that Hugo knows we like story, he can maybe negotiate for a tighter narrative

Maybe hire some writers and turn doom into a storytelling masterpiece

The material is all there

[harsh egret]

i think he wants to be the writer himself

or i think at least he is the main writer for doom

[frail bloom]

I think he gives ideas and the writers refine it

Otherwise we would be knee deep in the dead trying to understand anything lol

[harsh egret]

"While Hugo Martin is credited as the writer, the game's story also involves the work of other members of the id Software team"

[lofty hull]

I understand that reference

[real crater]

say that again?

[lofty hull]

As a person who came from FNAF, if they do that, I hope they don’t make the DOOM story into a flipping puzzle

[frail bloom]

Nah I was talking more emotional in a sense, not this giant moving mechanism of different plot points

[lofty hull]

Oh

[frail bloom]

His trauma and loss of his family is underutilized

[lofty hull]

I think that they could do more with that concept, especially now that we know he lost Serrat as well. So that’s 2 pets and a family that the demons took from him. They should totally use that more

I mean at least he still had Isabel

Has*

[frail bloom]

[lofty hull]

?

[frail bloom]

As a friend right

[lofty hull]

Are they not married?

[frail bloom]

Not like that marriage weird stuff they pulled last year

https://tenor.com/view/早安圖2023風景-gif-2644993955788734679

[lofty hull]

It's not canon? Didn't the devs say it themselves?

[frail bloom]

NO

It's not canon it's a joke

Doom guy does not commit animal stuff

[lofty hull]

NGL I thought that was sick as hail, and very funny

[waxen rivet]

😭

[frail bloom]

It's funny until ppl believe it

[lunar minnow]

Does anybody in the menu.

Like, when you go to view your weapons and upgrades and stuff.

Have it so that you can't access the shield icon?

[frail bloom]

Yes I frequently in the menu

[lunar minnow]

It's greyed out.

[frail bloom]

Nah idk

[lunar minnow]

You don't have that?

[frail bloom]

I never checked

[lunar minnow]

I can't access shield runes unless I'm at a shop.

I think that's what that is.

[tranquil badge]

That's for swapping upgrades

Wait I believe I misread the conversation ignore me

[lunar minnow]

Do you have access to it when you are in the menu?
I can only access that when I'm at a shop.

[tranquil badge]

So the stuff in the menu for the guns is so you can swap which half of an upgrade you're using. I believe you can swap them in the shrines as well as in the menu if that's what you're referring too

[lunar minnow]

I can't send a photo of the icon I'm thinking of.

[tranquil badge]

If you're not far enough into the campaign to start getting shield runes that's probably why the shield icon is greyed out

Since there's nothing you would be able to swap

[lunar minnow]

I finished the game.

Almost completely.

[tranquil badge]

Alr just checking

[lunar minnow]

It's the icon next to the fist on the left.

And next to the ammo on the right.

It's completely greyed out when I'm not at the shop.

[tranquil badge]

Yeah that's the shield

[lunar minnow]

Is that a bug?

Then?

[tranquil badge]

Might be? I don't switch runes often but I'm pretty sure you should be able to swap them in the menu

Can you toggle onto the menu? Dunno if you're on PC or console but tabbing onto it instead of clicking maybe will get you on it?

[lunar minnow]

Let me turn the game on.

[harsh egret]

also @frail bloom about someone calling it the 2.0 update for quakecon
Mayo asked him if he would call it a 2.0 in segnificance, and Hugo said "just about", as long as they accomplish everything they wanna accomplish until that point, but some of it could come a little bit after if theres any surprises in development. but either way they are not done after that

[vital rapids]

yeah, a few people have said this. You can swap shield runes on the fly normally, it doesn't seem intentional @lunar minnow

[lunar minnow]

What do you mean? So the fact that it's greyed out is actually a bug?

[harsh egret]

so ig thats where the 2.0 thing came from, but yeah its not gonna be an actual 2.0 update from what it seems like lol

[lunar minnow]

For me?

[harsh egret]

maybe u already watched that part but idk

i had to take a break

[frail bloom]

Hm, so it's a really big update meant to fix a lot of things but they are saying they aren't finished after that

Horde mode pls

[harsh egret]

not only about fixing tho, its also about content it sounds like

[lunar minnow]

Yeah no, can't access it. @tranquil badge @vital rapids

[frail bloom]

What content?

[lunar minnow]

It's still greyed out for me.

[frail bloom]

Do we know

[harsh egret]

u think hugo is gonna say exactly what

[tranquil badge]

Can you tab onto it? Like use the menu buttons to get to it

[harsh egret]

no but i think master levels FOR SURE at the very least, but from the way hugo talks about all this stuff i think theres more

[lunar minnow]

Nope, it skips over it.

[tranquil badge]

Huh

Crazy

[lunar minnow]

And it's greyed out COMPLETELY.
Like, as if it isn't accessible.

I'm not sure what to do.

[tranquil badge]

Do u have ur shield fully upgraded?

[lunar minnow]

Yes.

[tranquil badge]

Weird

[lunar minnow]

But I should still be able to access it to swap the runes, right?

[frail bloom]

I WANNA KNOW NOOOWWW

[tranquil badge]

At shrines, I suppose

[frail bloom]

IDC I WANNA KNOW NOOOOOWWWW

[harsh egret]

dont we all

[lunar minnow]

Can someone else please check if they can swap runes?

Without a shrine?

Would really appreciate it.

[tranquil badge]

You should be able to

I've done it before on one of the levels where there was a rune based challenge and I was using a different rune

[tranquil badge]

You running on a PC or console?

[lunar minnow]

PC but I use a controller.

[tranquil badge]

Could be a bug derived from the last patch, although I don't know how it would correlate

[lunar minnow]

It's been there ever since I played early access.

[tranquil badge]

Huh

[lunar minnow]

For me.

I don't really know what to do to fix it...

[tranquil badge]

Yeah I dunno either man

[lunar minnow]

Is there anywhere I can report bugs?

[tranquil badge]

Might just be the save file is glitched or something. Do you have another game save you could cross reference with it?

[lunar minnow]

No..

I could try to play through a new save file.

But even then, it's still a bug.

I should probably report it.

I just need to know how to report it.

[tranquil badge]

Yeah it is a bug. I don't know where you would report it, maybe the Bethesda website?

[lunar minnow]

I'm looking online.

People on Reddit are talking about it and a user said it's a known issue.

So possibly they're already working on it as we speak over at id.

It might be a more notorious bug.

In any case, thanks Jixel!

I really appreciate the help.

[tranquil badge]

No problem 🫡 happy to help

[lunar minnow]

I'll see you around!

I'm gonna go rest and see if I can find where to report this bug!

[tranquil badge]

Cya!

[graceful lion]

it is not canon and should not be treated as such

isabelle is a fucking animal, doomguy is a human

[lofty hull]

MB, chill dude

[graceful lion]

i am, just wanted to make that point

[lofty hull]

Gotcha

[hollow sandal]

QuakeCon is in August guys

[frosty coyote]

I dont play quake sadly

[agile junco]

Why does it say unsupported 16 bit application

[grim cloud]

well in case you didnt know, QuakeCon has nothing to do with Quake anymore.

[celest latch]

Guys, I'm sure there are people who have already completed TDA on Pandemonium difficulty.

I understand perfectly well that for 1 save I can pick up each extra life 1 time. But then I died, having spent all the lives from the reserve, i.e. my save was deleted. I started a new attempt and discovered that there were no more extra lives on the map (well, the ones I picked up).

So is this a bug or a feature? Is the number of runs really limited by the account, and not by 1 save?

[frosty coyote]

Uh why

[grim cloud]

that is a great question

prob because nobody wants to make a new quake game 😭

[agile junco]

I need help

[fathom remnant]

The lack of "continue game" is annoying being that they made this single player experience. Like if I don't want to commit to replaying an entire level just to get all the collectibles and challenges. Because sometimes I wanna get half of that stuff real quick then like sleep or something BUT WAIT I can't do that. It was even in eternal which wasn't a single player only game......... I feel like this got overlooked and I know I can't be the only one who gets annoyed by this. Hopefully we'll see the patch for it soon 😎

[frail bloom]

Alex responded

He's so cool

[hollow sandal]

Yoo wassup zem

[warm ibex]

Don't they still have QC championships and esports stuff? Or is that gone too

[grim cloud]

high

[grim cloud]

Yah tey probably do, but every year there is hope of new quake. We know how thats been goin

[warm ibex]

the quake hope never fades

[grim cloud]

well nightdive has something to show at QC, maybe quake 3 remastered and with a campaign

[tribal tundra]

Hello my children

[frail bloom]

Hey I thought you liked doom eternal

[tribal tundra]

Doom Eternal is my favorite, but i cant deny that Dark Ages is good too

killing demons is killing demons.

[keen vortex]

are people still comparing eternal to tda

it's 2 different games

[frail bloom]

Yes, and to the end of time

[keen vortex]

quit being losers

[frail bloom]

Uh to who

[keen vortex]

not you it's just that evertime i open this discord all i see is eternal vs tda

[vital rapids]

Yeah, I find the inability to save and continue the game when you like can be super inconvenient if your gaming time is often limited to short bursts
Makes progress slow

[frail bloom]

Oh ok

[harsh egret]

hell yeah

[frail bloom]

I learned smt new, apparently, the final mix isn't up to him

He also will keep feedback in mind

Yay

[grim cloud]

anyone here going to quakecon in 6 weeks?

[frail bloom]

Where is it being held

[grim cloud]

always texas

[frail bloom]

I ain't going to texas

[grim cloud]

the "freedom" state

[vital rapids]

is it being held at nvm it's all here https://quakecon.bethesda.net/en/

[frail bloom]

I just went from goat simulator to tda

Let's see how I do

[sonic turret]

I dunno, I met one guy from Texas who referred to it as a "Prison State". He said they had Bush to thank.

[vital rapids]

multiple whiplashes are a buzzkill man

[frail bloom]

Where you at

Is it me or are there more hell ships

I had to chase two instead of one

Let em cook

[frank turtle]

New changes?

[frail bloom]

They got other changes in mind

And new content

Tda will be better than now in a year

I'm not sure if that's all of them, or ones that are impossible to avoid

Again not sure

Ye cuz Doom is Tekken

??

Mb

I died 3 times in the same arena

Jeez

From beyond arena with agaddon hunter

YES

[ebon shale]

Lowkey I think thats the arena where I racked up the most deaths on my first playthrough

[frail bloom]

Ye it's a tough one

NOOOOO STUPID VAGARY

I DID IT

Speaking of big update, can someone ask Hugo and team if they can include the lost soul and whiplash toys

[slate kestrel]

hugo needs to enjoy his time off and stop reading about the game

[frail bloom]

He's been back since sunday apparently

He said master levels on the way too!!

Awesome

@slim shuttle
Hello mayo, do you think that Hugo and the team can make swimming faster, or add some sort of sprint function for swimming? Sorry for bothering you

It's just that swimming takes a long time sometimes

Sorry I forgot to say, you could ask Hugo for it as a suggestion

[barren warren]

holy shit pls id make this a thing, nothing hurts more than having to slowly swim through the ocean twice in chapter 17

[frail bloom]

Ye it's really a downer sometimes

I bet they can do it

[slate kestrel]

bruh just pinged mayo outta nowhere

[barren warren]

doom should be able to swim at least twice as fast with the amount of strength he has

[frail bloom]

I mostly am the person who pings him

His inputs are important

He communicates with Hugo and is responsible for a lot of changes

From then and in the future

[zinc bay]

Has anybody beat the paradimonal difficulty or what ever it is?

[frail bloom]

Pandemonium, and not me

[slate kestrel]

been slacking on my run, only on siege part 2

[zinc bay]

I’m on chapter 4

Sentinel barracks

[lavish kindle]

I tried getting further earlier but I died on enhanced ass crack and I can't be bothered to do 15 minutes of mech shit again

[slate kestrel]

ngl I get so distracted during that fight because the song is my favourite in the game

[frank turtle]

any new tunables today?

[frail bloom]

No, but they're working on it

[frank turtle]

ya

[stoic sleet]

I saw hugos reddit post

[frank turtle]

what did he say

[stoic sleet]

There was something lies abt the dark ages 2.0 or smth crazy but it was some quakecon thing and theres some free stuff apparently

Let me check again i forgot

https://tenor.com/view/ruan-mentioned-gif-23876676

[graceful lion]

yeah we know alr

[stoic sleet]

Half awake asked

[frank turtle]

da hell

[warm ibex]

Did he say that today?

[frail bloom]

He said that in the mayo stream, he confirmed a master level

Idk what or when but he said it's on the way

[pine terrace]

There's no TDA 2.0. Under The Mayo, or maybe his viewers, idk which, took what hugo said out of context

[frail bloom]

Hol on lemme find the timestamp

[pine terrace]

All that's confirmed is a single attack is being switched from being able to be parried to just blocked

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/1lk8uka/for_clarity_i_did_not_announce_dark_ages_20/

[vital rapids]

I think it was Lomarith - there's a revenant room where in amongst it you get a couple of whiplashes up close with other spam. My least favourite enemies, along with nimps (there's a couple of them too)

[frail bloom]

Ye they're janky at times

[warm ibex]

also confirmed that we're getting a solid update around QC

a QC slayer skin is pretty likely, anything else is up in the air

[pine terrace]

Oh yeah that too. I'll be attending, so I guess I have that to look forward to

[warm ibex]

oh neat, I hope you have fun!

[vital rapids]

Hugo getting busy with the BS slider and the lol checkbox again

Bring it on I guess 😬

[pine terrace]

I hope so too. Turn out for doomers is going to be smaller this year, not a lot of them are happy about [CURRENT POLITICAL DISASTERS] and are choosing to stay home this year

[frail bloom]

Damn why does the stream have to be 6 hrs long

I'm writing down timestamps from now on

[stoic sleet]

I saw ur poll gng

What is that doom eternal bias

[frank turtle]

ah I see, ty

spire would be a peak master level, you could even add multiple giant cacdemons with the dragon parts

[frail bloom]

Alr it's gonna take a while

[stoic sleet]

Master levels name isnt just for gameplay mastery the levels are meant to be very carefully crafted

We might have to hold on for a while

[frail bloom]

He said one so far I believe

[frank turtle]

I didn't play the master levels in eternal cause I haven't gotten good enough yet, are they fun?

like, master levels in general

[stoic sleet]

Never played them above no mercy

Theyre fun tho

[frank turtle]

seems like they have alot of replay ability to them which is great

[wheat sigil]

yes they are

[sonic turret]

Is there a reason why the first Cyberdemon is so easy, but they become more challenging later on? I'm assuming they have different HP levels, depending on your position in the game, right, or am I just imagining it?

[wheat sigil]

but you could definietely try the arc complex ML and the cultist base one if you have it

[stoic sleet]

Its the battle arena theyre in

[frail bloom]

Well cuz it's only the cyberdemon in a hallway where he has no where to go

[wheat sigil]

you're standing alone with it and nothing to do but press m2 and then m1

[stoic sleet]

Cuberdemons are impaler fodder anyway

Theyre also lightsaber fodder

[sonic turret]

NGL, the best way to get good is by playing and getting the crap beaten out of you. If you're not dyeing, you aren't improving, because each time you respawn, you come back more experienced than the last time, and if it takes you hours to beat one level, that's a lot of experience gained.

[half plaza]

Absence of other enemies

You can steamroll anything 1-on-1

[sonic turret]

I guess, one of them has my undivided attention, but I still felt like the ones I fight on Siege took me way too long to beat.

[half plaza]

Enemies regen health if you disengage

So if you fight him and then go fight something else before you kill him he'll regen a bit

Mayo showed it in one of his vids

[sonic turret]

True, but even the one in the forest level took me a fair while to beat on UV. I did it quicker on Nightmare, but I was more experienced at that point.

[stoic sleet]

The forest sucks for first timers due to the whiplashes and its when the difficulty picks up

[wheat sigil]

i think you misinterpreted something

[frank turtle]

For sure, that was my mindset with TDA, now I have enough experience and practice for stuff like UN

[sonic turret]

I had no issue with the whiplashes personally, but I found that the Revenants weren't going down as easily on Nightmare as they did on UV, which is expected, but there seemed to be a wide margin, as I was literally one shotting them in UV.

[frank turtle]

mayo is pretty far in his UN 110% run

[stoic sleet]

Ive started to like mayo more

[frail bloom]

I'm trying to find where he mentioned the master level drop but the stream is so long

[stoic sleet]

I havent checked his channel in a bit tho hopefully he drops a combat shotgun guide

[frank turtle]

combat shotgun is fire in this game

[frail bloom]

Haha puns

[stoic sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-spin-rotate-rotating-twirl-gif-27369771

[sonic turret]

I don't really pay much attention to Mayo, that's Under the Mayo right? I think I've only ever seen him do Mortal Kombat stuff.

[wheat sigil]

run in a circle and shoot random fodder
ur welcome

[frank turtle]

didnt even mean that LMAO but I'll take it

[sonic turret]

Yeah, I like the multiple shots that it fires, and it makes enemies drop shield tokens.

[stoic sleet]

And i feel i have used the super WAY less since the nerf

[frail bloom]

???

[stoic sleet]

Im more of a shredder and accelerator kinda guy now

[sonic turret]

I used to have a YouTube channel, but I never got any subscribers. 🤔🤷

[frail bloom]

Oh yu said super

My bad

[tranquil badge]

I remember I died on infernal plains or whatever that level is called like 10 times on pandemonium

Absolutely wonderful time

[frail bloom]

AUAUUHGHGH

[frank turtle]

I've been using the rocket launcher a ton more now

Basically use it every time I play

[frail bloom]

II FOUNNDDDD ITTT

[frank turtle]

pog

[sonic turret]

The TDA rocket launcher is dope.

However, now that I've beaten the game, I'll probably hoarde the BFC ammo a lot less.

[frail bloom]

@warm ibex
At time stamp 2 hrs and 1 min, Hugo says, "something very fun with master levels on the way"

So it's confirmed

They're working on them

[half plaza]

No??

[sonic turret]

Which episode?

[harsh egret]

wait didnt i actually say that earlier when u were here or am i trippin

[frail bloom]

Mayo's stream: Ultranightmare 110% low parry low resources

It's the last one

[harsh egret]

i could swear i did

[frail bloom]

20 hrs ago

[harsh egret]

the hugo segment was like over 2 hrs, was a fun watch

[frail bloom]

What else did he say

I forgor

Oh yeah slo mo

I am NOT looking for that tho

[slow zodiac]

Not exactly. They have a posture meter like in sekiro. So if you shoot an enemy many times in a row you'll get its posture bar to zero and it'll get staggered.
That's why when enemies get out of stagger you often can't stagger them again instantly - cause they still have some hp left and their posture meter is full again.
You can clearly see how it works with champion and leader enemies, cause you can see their hp and posture bar

[harsh egret]

• "Something very fun with master level is on the way"

• Making chaingunners more of a threat (upcoming patch)

• Looking to turn off the green attack on a few AI here and there (some AI should hold you accountable, adding more variety, an example was the Mancubus ground slam breaking your shield)

• Probably adding an extra tier on the parry window difficulty where you would have to be pixel perfect with your parries (DLC update, maybe sooner)

• Dragon tutorial segments will get removed(?) (i assume it will be a toggleable setting, not sure exactly, but meant to improve replayability)

• Enhancing the visuals of the pinky bite attack and taking it OFF the brink-of-death list (upcoming patch)

• The Marauder was a big part of early TDA prototypes

• When asked about DLC story: "We can't tell the entirety of Valen's son, because if we tell it all the way to completion, that is the end of the Dark Ages period. I think there's more to tell there, and we'll definetely go into some more good stuff for sure."

• Hugo mentions "I can't wait to share with you guys all of the other stuff we have going on, it's killing me to not talk about it right now but it's pretty awesome."
  He also talks about how people are comparing the value proposition of Eternal vs TDA whereas Eternal got more than a year worth of updates. "Give us some time here, we will increase the value proposition over the course of the next year."

[frail bloom]

Very cool stuff here

We just need patience

[harsh egret]

posted this on twitter as well since surprising amount of ppl see my posts

[sonic turret]

On YouTube? I can only see the one that he's streaming now and before that, I can see one from two days ago.

[frail bloom]

Can someone send the stream

I can't atm

[harsh egret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JekZErqLNKc

[frail bloom]

There ya go

[harsh egret]

timestamp 58:35

its about a 2 hrs watch, hf

[sonic turret]

Thanks guys.

Question: Does anyone feel like having difficulty sliders undermines the need for master levels?

[harsh egret]

not imo

god i hope that one korean guy here with made up sources was right about master level coming in july