the-dark-ages

[vital rapids]

I think it's not worth saying "it has lower dps if you don't fully hit with it"
That's redundant. DPS is what happens if you hit, nothing else.

[orchid gust]

Saying it has higher dps is not a correct statement though, since if you tried to test that throughout an arena, even in the early game, that would not be true. It is only technically higher dps if all shots are hitting, which is not possible in almost all situations.

[cinder estuary]

Holy shit

[wheat sigil]

that's also true

[cinder estuary]

This

[frank turtle]

belly of the beast Is honestly one of the hardest levels in the game

[orchid gust]

But you are never hitting all pulverizer shots since the spread is so wide. That’s the point. So practically it’s not higher dps.

[cinder estuary]

HOLY SHIT THIS GUY

the argument was never about practicality

[orchid gust]

YES IT WAS LMAO

[cinder estuary]

You are something else

[remote thunder]

man talking to brick wall gif

[orchid gust]

that was THE WHOLE point

[wheat sigil]

...

[frank turtle]

omg yall still arguing about the damn pulverizer

[cinder estuary]

When have I ever said practicality, I literally just said HIGHER DPS

[orchid gust]

You argued with me

[neon gust]

why don't y'all pulverize the homework you got left

[frank turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/rizzler-the-rizzler-rizz-face-aj-big-justice-gif-11358477961824563585

[orchid gust]

I said it’s a worse gun

[cinder estuary]

You are arguing with a ghost

[orchid gust]

You said it’s better early

That’s false. You are dense.

[cinder estuary]

I'm old and decrepit, I don't have homework

[wheat sigil]

CAAFFIEND, you have misinterpreted what this entire argument is about and are now trying to argue on wrongful grounds, just end it

[cinder estuary]

I said IT HAS HIGHER DPS EARLY GAME

[neon gust]

how old are we talking

[cinder estuary]

Didn't say it was BETTER

[orchid gust]

That’s funny since I started the conversation and he argued with my point, and I explained why that was wrong. Then it got here.

[cinder estuary]

Impaler is the better weapon overall, but it doesn't have the highest DPS on the early game

[orchid gust]

That should be being said to @cinder estuary

Anyway I got work

[cinder estuary]

I didn't argue your point, I just kept saying over and over again that the pulverizer has higher dps

[orchid gust]

I’m employed

[cinder estuary]

Old

[neon gust]

please man can I take your job 💔 I've been looking for one for 10 months

[wheat sigil]

i don't quite get what is going on with you, ロス has expressly said multiple times that the claims you are attributing to them they do not hold, so why argue against those claims and continue attributing them?
perfect example of strawman xd

[orchid gust]

I’m a personal trainer so it’d be hard to give lol

[quiet needle]

The dragon is still the best dps in the game

[neon gust]

but if you said "what is going on with you" it implies caaffiend has some kind of comprehension problem, isn't that ad eminem?

[neon gust]

dangit 💔 I'm trying to find a job in backend development

[orchid gust]

You could (should) say the same to him, since it was my point first that was argued with and changed.

[cinder estuary]

The only statements I've said is that the pulverizer has higher dps

Not that it's better than the impaler

Not that it's a top tier weapons

Not that it always is optimal

Not that it is always the highest DPS weapon

Not that it has the highest DPS setups

I just said

It has the highest DPS on the early game, and then to further clarify, I said highest DPS on optimal conditions on the early game

[vital rapids]

I agree about early game threshold being siege <-> forest
I would say first 'now use what you have learnt' bump is siege 1 leaders -> siege 2, then forest pulls your first proper combo encounters

[cinder estuary]

I didn't attribute a single thing to you, I only kept saying your arguments were irrelevant because your were ignoring my argument

[orchid gust]

And again I said the statement that it has higher dps is not true. If you take an arena, record how much damage you did and how fast you did it with both the impaler and the pulverizer, even in the early game, the impaler would have done more damage in less time, making it higher dps

[wheat sigil]

ad hominem*
ad hominem is not an insult, that could vaguely fall under the category of a non-sequitur (something irrelevant or that doesn't logically follow), an ad hominem is where you attack the character of the other person specifically to undermine their argument
example: "he's stupid so he's wrong"

[orchid gust]

So the statement that it has higher dps is only true if all shots of the pulverizer are connecting, which happens very little throughout the entire game

[cinder estuary]

Holy crap again you are ignoring it, the pulverizer on an arena is not it's optimal conditions for highest dps

[orchid gust]

So does it really have higher dps? No, it does not

[cinder estuary]

You just don't want to engage with the argument

[orchid gust]

Because it’s higher dps on paper is never actually achieved, and the results of practical application says otherwise

[reef yacht]

yes

[neon gust]

oh my god dude I don't care
"ad hominem" "non-sequitur" "strawman" over Doom The Dark Ages early game and some stupid DPS ordeal

[cinder estuary]

You yourself showed a practical application of the optimal moment to use the pulverizer, and the player uses it

[vital rapids]

"It has higher DPS in fact, but its effective damage varies situationally"
I don't think anyone has disagreed with this.
But you could say it about all weapons tbh

[neon gust]

like what are you doing man

[cinder estuary]

You can't even say it's unlikely when it happens on the chapter you get the weapons

[orchid gust]

I’d like you to count how many times that happens vs how many times the impaler is used, then let me know which weapon performs better

[wheat sigil]

lol, i didn't bring up any form of ad hominem, you did
and these are all valuable terms to know about if you want to engage in honest discourse

[cinder estuary]

Yes, the point in which the pulverizer has the higher DPS is the early game because you don't have all your tools to truly make other weapons pop off

[orchid gust]

Record the damage done with the impaler through the entire run vs the pulverizer and divide it by the seconds. Which is larger?

[cinder estuary]

It

Doesn't

Matter

Its not about the practicality

It's about the raw fucking numbers it gets on its optimal situation

You are adding practicality when it's not even my argument

[orchid gust]

IT DOES! It’s all that matters LMAO

That WAS the argument

You tried to say the pulverizer is better in a vacuum

[quartz flower]

My girlfriend wants to start playing Doom, but she doesn't know which one to start with, which ones do you recommend?🔥🔥

[orchid gust]

Maybe, but it’s not better ingame

[cinder estuary]

No, the argument was that the pulverizer has higher dps on optimal conditions, and you are talking about practicality when I never mentioned it

You are fighting a ghost

[neon gust]

Do you actually use these words outside of the internet or do you just use big words to seem big

[orchid gust]

No it’s not, the argument is that the pulverizer is the worst gun in the game

[vital rapids]

The whole game is not the early game, though. You don't have a full suite of weapons early game

[orchid gust]

You said it has the highest dps making it the best option for early game, I said it’s not the highest early game, and if tested in early game arenas, the impaler would produce higher dps numbers than the pulverizer would

[cinder estuary]

And when did I disagree with this?

I literally just argued that it has higher dps on the early game

[orchid gust]

Early game it’s bad too

[cinder estuary]

It still has higher dps

[orchid gust]

See now you change your point. You did disagree. Scroll up.

[cinder estuary]

I never disagreed that it's the worst weapon

I just said that it has the highest DPS in the early game

Then I clarified that it has higher dps on optimal conditions

It IS the weakest weapon, but it still has higher dps on optimal conditions

[neon gust]

Don't you guys have something better to do than to argue about the semantics of a topic for 40 minutes

[cinder estuary]

Not really, I'm taking a bath

[wheat sigil]

i am against using esoteric words just to appear more knowledgeable, which is part of the reason i've gone out of my way to actually learn these words
and i never brought up ad hominem, you did
i did bring up strawman but not to seem smart, i said that something was an exemplification of one, so i didn't use terminology to appear "bigger" there either
and i used non-sequitur in my explanation of what an ad hominem is, and i defined it too

[neon gust]

(I don't, I'm watching some guy play Minecraft on the side)

[vital rapids]

It's forgiving to use early on. It's harder to use later.

[cinder estuary]

It's really bad late game

[vital rapids]

Yeah. Ravager placeholder

[merry pumice]

Ladies and gentlemen. I have beaten Ultra-Nightmare.

[neon gust]

I say take that bath, it'd be much more relaxing than this discussion

[merry pumice]

how does one post an image

[cinder estuary]

It drops hard once you get to the forge, then it loses all it's viability on the pinkie leader room with the whiplash on chapter 12

[neon gust]

Speaking of relaxing, now that you've done it you can take a nap

[cinder estuary]

Anything past that, the pulverizer is trolling

[wheat sigil]

#screenshots

[vital rapids]

Yeah. Pulverizer run would be granite tbh

[cinder estuary]

Actually, there is one situation where the pulverizer is good

[frank turtle]

Last 4 chapters of un

[cinder estuary]

On the late game

You can circle strafe a cyberdemon and never get hit by him and never need to parry

As long as you have the buff up

[vital rapids]

Massive bosses I guess. But even so, Ravager

[tranquil swallow]

I hated the cosmic realm bro

[cinder estuary]

The cyberdemon keeps turning around trying to get you on the sight

[frank turtle]

the gore nest on reckoning is gonna suck ass 💔

[vital rapids]

Oh yeh, circle strafing with Ravager 😬

[cinder estuary]

You can circle strafe with the ravager tbh

[tranquil swallow]

Genuinely scared me

[merry pumice]

I like the name tyrant more than cyber demon

[neon gust]

I'm not gonna lie I don't use the skull based weapons much, I just upgraded everything for 100% completion on my NM file

[cinder estuary]

The pulverizer circle strafing mancubus is hilarious

He keeps doing the back hand hit but never gets you

[neon gust]

Tyrant feels more of an organic name than Cyberdemon for a demon like this

[vital rapids]

I haven't attempted to find out tbh. That thing gets cracked out for massive targets when I won't be moving much

[neon gust]

I do wish the Cyberdemons in TDA were named Tyrants

[vital rapids]

Slow is too hard for me. I think it's why I can't take to the dreadmace

[cinder estuary]

I still call them tyrants from time to time

[cinder estuary]

I meant can't*

The ravager is the epitome of

Just stand still and shoot

[neon gust]

so like the chaingun from previous games then

at least it did feel that way when I used it occasionally

[vital rapids]

Yeh, my immediate conclusion when I switch to it in a fight

[cinder estuary]

Basically it works exactly like the doom eternal mobile turret

Low mobility high dps

[vital rapids]

Wading through treacle

[cinder estuary]

But it has utility

The HP and infinite ammo is cracked

[neon gust]

and you can upgrade the weapon to cancel the mobility reduction

[cinder estuary]

That upgrade is shart

The slowburn is superior

If you go with the other one, the pulverizer is better

[neon gust]

eh, I thought it felt great when fighting Azhrak

(I don't remember how it's spelled)

[cinder estuary]

You better just get slowburn and stand still

Azrak can't deal with the dps and the sustain

[neon gust]

ehhh I'd rather just chase him around

granted, I could've used something else

but I was doing weapon mastery stuff so I was lowkey forced

in a pandemonium run I would probably use something else

[cinder estuary]

The ravager is optimal (I think) for a safe UN or Pande run against enhanced azrak

[neon gust]

anyways I wanted to say that the Cyberdemon should've been named Tyrant because it's weaker than the Cosmic Baron and it feels weird for the baron to be stronger than the cyberdemon

[neon gust]

oh I was talking about the Azhrak & Witch fight, for Enhanced Azhrak I used the accelerator

(it was a difficult fight)

[cinder estuary]

Oh azrak and witch

It's either impaler or ssg

I've been testing the pincushion against the witch

[neon gust]

I never find myself using the impaler a lot tbh

I think best use I got for it is against vagaries

[cinder estuary]

Funnily enough the impaler is not thaat good against vagaries

[vital rapids]

I tend to use impaler for agaddons for some reason. Just feels right

[cinder estuary]

I use the pulverizer

[neon gust]

for Agaddons I like the chainshot

[cinder estuary]

Easy to keep close

[neon gust]

it just feels very satisfying to parry an attack and use the explosive fully charged shot right into the guy's balls

[cinder estuary]

Funny

[fathom remnant]

They just look like giant arch viles when they transfigure there's that one underwater in urdak. That's a transfigured makyr

[merry pumice]

the ravager is good

it’s my panic button vs komodo’s and leaders

But for sustained damage vs komodos the best option by far and it isn’t even close is the wraith stone upgraded accelerator

[delicate grotto]

I hope we get more Cosmic Realm in the DLC or future games. It’s just too good of a concept to use once.

[delicate grotto]

It’s funny how id went out of their way to nerf Ravanger damage against Komodos too lol

[inner wigeon]

Why are whiplashes so tanky

[neon moss]

Is there a summary of balance notes somewhere? I had trouble finding it.

[long nymph]

I get the game tomorrow

Finally 😭

[frail bloom]

Arguments abt dps, just like the good old days

No seriously tho yall spent an hr

[merry pumice]

yeah it was op, now it’s just balanced

[frail bloom]

I love it keep going

[merry pumice]

basically if i need sustained fire against a non armored target i use accelerator, if i am also low on health I use ravager

from what i gleam from LPs and discussions people have the cycler glued to their hands for the plasma class, which is unfortunate because they overlook the absolute obliteration that the accelerator can provide

[merry pumice]

slayer’s club dot com

[neon moss]

I used my first shard on the cycler...then gave the accelerator a fair shot and haven't touched cycler since.

[green marsh]

I use super shotty

[neon moss]

I haven't touched s shotgun yet... weirdly enough.

[frail bloom]

Hell knights don't die in one hit to ssg anymore

[green marsh]

You sir, are a demon

[green marsh]

But if you shield bash and then use it

[neon moss]

I know. weird, right?

[frail bloom]

Well, at least you're using your shield like you're supposed to

Makes sense

[green marsh]

The cycle is bash, shotgun, parry, shotgun… etc

[frail bloom]

I use impaler instead

Reloads quicker and gets empowered with like breathing or smt

[green marsh]

Or use pulverized

Pulverizer

[frail bloom]

No.

[green marsh]

Yes

Melee 3 times and then shred

[versed stone]

Is the Doom Slayer’s armor in Dark Ages the same as the Praetor Suit?

[cinder estuary]

Safest azrak weapon

[wild rose]

@hard thistle is Khan Makyr mentioned in 2016? Or they just mention the Makyrs? Or we just see their statues in the MP?

[wild rose]

Impaler is more imo

[cinder estuary]

They are tied, if you get impaler headshots really consistently

[wild rose]

Not hard on console and I'm bad at aiming

[cinder estuary]

I mean if you are using aim assist sure

[merry pumice]

the accelerator vs the bishop kreed is genuinely unfair

[fair gull]

no, pretty sure not

[frail bloom]

Ye cuz he's so big

[wild rose]

The regular aim assist of the game is insanely good. And why wouldn't I use it?

In other hand I don't use that auto aim option the game gives

[merry pumice]

tbh i use the lobotomy impaler and the dreadmace to just maximize DPS

and if i’m ever low i use the rocket launcher to heal

[wild rose]

I prefer cycler. I usually don't have the good range against Bishop Kringe

[merry pumice]

never used ravager on azrahk

but maybe i should try it

[cinder estuary]

There is no aim assist

Only if you activate it

Aim assist is for babies

[neon moss]

What's the draw of cycler? The shocks are nice for clearing trash, but against a big single target? What's the draw?

[cinder estuary]

Insane burst with certain setups

[merry pumice]

it’s terrible against single big targets

[vestal estuary]

Guess we truly are Doomed in the Dark Ages

[neon moss]

Insane burst how?

[merry pumice]

that’s what the accelerator is for

[cinder estuary]

Dagger + Cycler has the highest burst damage in the game

[merry pumice]

cycler is medium/heavy/fodder crowd control

[cinder estuary]

Cycler is not just that

[vestal estuary]

Question: Should we get a sword in the DLC? A BIG FUCKING SWORD?

[cinder estuary]

It is a great way to setup Instakills

[merry pumice]

dagger? you mean holy swarm?

[cinder estuary]

Yes, the daggers

[merry pumice]

ohh i get it

[neon moss]

I'm confused. How does cycler enable parries?

[merry pumice]

you shock chain a bunch of dudes and pop the swarm

[wild rose]

On console there is

[cinder estuary]

Cycler + Daggers = Instakills any leader

[cinder estuary]

Not unless you activate it

[wild rose]

Nope

[merry pumice]

so shocking them with the cycler and hitting them with daggers insta kills? no way

[cinder estuary]

There is no natural aim assist unless you activate it

I literally play on console

[merry pumice]

is that some kind of bug

[wild rose]

You're confusing. There are 2 kinds of aim assist in TDA

[cinder estuary]

Yep

[cinder estuary]

No, Eternal has the target lock and the aim assist

TDA has aim assist and the projectile tracking setting (Both are not on by default)

Both are for babies

[neon moss]

hmm, interesting. I was having a bit of frustration with the swarm hitting shielding projectiles and doing very little. Fissure or Shock rune seem to avoid that particular problem...am I overthinking how much damage I was losing to enemy shielding projectiles?

[cinder estuary]

Yep

[wild rose]

Well maybe I have it off then. I could swear there was natural aim assist deep in the settings

[dark thunder]

The turret sections are actually the stupidest fucking thing in this game i just lost my UN run because I fucking used the lightning bolt and this fucking lost soul got in the way

[merry pumice]

is that some sort of bug or intentional pairing?

[dark thunder]

why would they ever fucking think the turret sections were a good idea

[cinder estuary]

Intentional

[merry pumice]

interesting

[cinder estuary]

The cycler is a support weapon meant to butt other things

Foor example cycler + dreadmace

[hard thistle]

No, it's just the statues. the only Maykr mention in 2016 is the Seraphim

[cinder estuary]

Or cycler + fissure

Cycler + SSG is also fun as fuck

You can get insane ssg damage out of the cycler buff

But the ssg is better paired with the shock fist

Plus the ssg combos better with the fist, the timing is just perfect

[cinder estuary]

I think you might need to do a double execute on certain enemies, but I don't think anything has 136000~ HP besides champions

[next thistle]

Absolutely love the Accelerator

[hollow sandal]

Yea it's awesome. Used the wraithstone I got from hell plains on it

[whole mural]

Brainless jits

[hollow sandal]

I remember when I was a jit

[whole mural]

It’s so sad to know doom eternal is most people first doom game

[hollow sandal]

Why

[whole mural]

Because then they go and hate on all the other doom games because there’s no meat hook and dash

[hollow sandal]

rip

My first was doom 2016

[whole mural]

I hated the doom eternal super shot gun

It feels weak and has a weak sound to it

2016 super shotgun is a proper shotgun

[merry pumice]

the spirit of meathook and dash are still in TDA, it’s called the shield bash and higher default sprint speed

[frail bloom]

Mine was a doom 2 demo on xbox 360

[merry pumice]

plus the projectile patterns lend themselves much more to strafing than dashing

[whole mural]

Yeah I’m not a eternal glazer so I can see that

[frank turtle]

Holy shit same here

[merry pumice]

and if you could double dash away from like a cosmic barron or some shit it’d defeat the entire purpose of stand and fight versus the enemy that will literally hunt you down and relentlessly engage in melee with you

[frank turtle]

I played the demo as a kid, then I returned to doom 1 and 2 a couple years ago

[frail bloom]

Ye I used to play No rest for the living on ultra violence all the time when I visited my gramma's

Just the first level ofc

[frank turtle]

damn that's a banger too

aw yeah

[whole mural]

I played doom 64 on the nintendo when I was 5-7 years old

[frank turtle]

that's cool, doom 64 is underrated

[merry pumice]

played the classics at summer camp interestingly enough. discovered eternal in 2023, loved it, loved TDA. unsure if i should even get 2016.

[frail bloom]

Ye doom 2 felt like a modern campaign when I saw that it had like 30 levels or smt

[whole mural]

64 is peak

[hollow sandal]

Damn that's awesome, you still love doom 2 to this day?

[frail bloom]

I was astounded

[frank turtle]

the clay designs of the demons are really cool

[merry pumice]

i’ve played more team fortress and valve stuff my entire life

[frail bloom]

I love all of them, although I more so play mods rather than doom 2

[merry pumice]

the lost soul design from doom 3 haunts my nightmares

[frail bloom]

Doom zero, Legacy of rust

[whole mural]

The demons in doom 64 actually look like demons

[frank turtle]

is doom zero any good? I was thinking of playing

[frail bloom]

YES

It feels so nostalgic but you've never played it

[whole mural]

D64 cacodemon is amazing

[merry pumice]

remember when TDA was code named doom year zero

honestly a better name than the dark ages

[whole mural]

And the pinky In d64 is easily the best looking pinky ever

[merry pumice]

they should have kept it imo

[frank turtle]

the pain elemental looks so sick imo

[whole mural]

I hate it

Pain elemental and lost souls are on steroids In d64

I want em dead and gone

[frank turtle]

lmao, the Cacodemon is really cool looking too

[whole mural]

Pain elemental looks cool but if there’s one he’s dead first

[frank turtle]

I never played that one until very recently

[frank turtle]

do you like the cyber demon in 64?

the 2016 pinky is so goofy looking, I kinda love it

[whole mural]

Yes

[frank turtle]

I might be thinking of eternal then, lool

[whole mural]

I love the sound it makes in d64, the light footsteps followed with a heavy metal one

64s pinky was all claws and teeth

Dark ages is 4 legged and bigger

[frank turtle]

are there archviles in doom 64? I forgot

[whole mural]

No but doom 64 CE adds archviles, chaingunners, revenants and the spider mastermind back

And a few other demons too

[frank turtle]

that's cool

[whole mural]

The arch vile in d64 CE looks horrific

It’s got 4 arms and shit

Eternals is just product placement

It doesn’t act or behave like a cyber demon at all

Dark ages one also doesn’t behave like a normal cyber demon but it does look 100x bettwr

Cyberdemons were done properly In the classics

Cyberdemons should chase and attack the player relentlessly and put pressure on you

Eternals and dark ages don’t do that

They sorta hang around the same spot and only attack when you get in their shit

Classic Cyberdemons are all about getting in the players face

Even though it’s a piece of annoying shite

Lost souls and pain elementals are on steroids in d64

[merry pumice]

eternal’s pain elemental is absolutely amazing

i think all of eternal’s demons clear for me bc the glory kill animations give so much personality

can’t really feel that way about TDA’s demons. you just kick them

[frail bloom]

Show me pls

[whole mural]

I’ll have to do it later

[merry pumice]

though i’ll admit it’s funny as fuck to kick a cyberdemon and watch him absolutely crumble like the world trade center

[frail bloom]

Sad

[whole mural]

I’m not at home rn

[frail bloom]

Hey do you have a pic of the Archvile from 64

[whole mural]

Yeah as soon as they get a line of sight they fucking attack you

[frail bloom]

The CE thing

[whole mural]

D64 lost souls are far more aggressive

[whole mural]

I’ll try

Hold on

Got it

One second

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805319320778571807/1386873134388482058/togif.gif

[frail bloom]

HOLY

[whole mural]

There it is

[frail bloom]

That is perfection

[merry pumice]

D64 pain elemental is glorious

[frail bloom]

That's my favorite archie design lol

[frail bloom]

What does CE stand for and can I play it

[whole mural]

Yeah it’s on moddb

[frail bloom]

Damn it

[whole mural]

I can send a link, you just need the doom 64 iwad from steam

[frail bloom]

Is it on the kex port?

[whole mural]

No it’s a gz doom thing

[frail bloom]

[whole mural]

It comes with gz doom in the zip

[frail bloom]

Oh well

[whole mural]

That guy also remade the original PlayStation version of doom too

[frail bloom]

Damn

[whole mural]

And final doom

[frail bloom]

Damn 2

[whole mural]

I sent it in DMs if your interested

[frail bloom]

Nah it's fine

[whole mural]

It’s pretty easy to setup

All good

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805319320778571807/1386874969639616583/togif.gif

Yeah that’s the revenant

[frail bloom]

I saw a different version that had chains on its arms

[whole mural]

That’s the brutal doom 64 version I think

[frail bloom]

Oh

So what does the archvile look like in Brutal doom 64👀

[whole mural]

Oh no actually

That one with chains is a fan creation

[frail bloom]

@honest vortex
RAAAAAAAGHGHGHGHGHGHGHHGHGGH

[whole mural]

There’s 3 doom 64 revenants and the one with chains isn’t in a mod from What I’ve seen

[whole mural]

There isn’t one in brutal Doom 64

[frail bloom]

Alr

[whole mural]

Brutal doom 64 is hard enough as it is

[frank turtle]

aw I wish I could play that

[whole mural]

The cacodemons on the higher difficulty’s shoot 3+ fireballs In about a second

Oh wait

There’s a hellhound in the brutal d64 version

2 heads and stuff

[whole mural]

You only need the doom 2 wad for it

It’s made by the same guy who made extermination day and the normal brutal doom

[frank turtle]

yeah I'm just currently on xbox, don't have a PC anymore

[whole mural]

Oh rip

New Xbox handheld looks like a crazy system

PlayStation kinda irrelevant now after Xbox revealed that

[frank turtle]

lmao

[whole mural]

I love how PlayStation is trying to make themself look good

They removed the region restrictions on helldivers

[cinder estuary]

Playstation had a generational run on the ps4

Then completely dropped the ball on the ps5

While Xbox is making massive plays

I'm still on the fence on gamepass tho, it canibalizes a bunch of releases

[cinder estuary]

Xbox will nuke the console industry if they announce steam on their consoles

[frail bloom]

They should bring little big planet back

That'll rake the muns

[whole mural]

They did confirm it can run steam

[cinder estuary]

They didn't, they said it runs windows

A different version of windows

[whole mural]

Windows runs steam

[cinder estuary]

But can you install steam on this windows version

It uses the Microsoft store

Not a normal windows version

[frail bloom]

Astrobot🤮
Sackboy

[whole mural]

Pretty sure it’s literally just windows with a Xbox overlay

[cinder estuary]

They only have one worthwhile exclusive now

[cinder estuary]

No, it's an extremely debloated windows

[frail bloom]

It's nothing compared to the charming side scroller where you can create your own levels

[cinder estuary]

It's not astrobot

[frail bloom]

They fell off

[cinder estuary]

Nor is it LBP

The only worthwhile Sony exclusive rn is Bloodborne

[frail bloom]

Oh that

Trust me, lbp 4, that would make a bunch of money

BUT NOOOOOOO

I'm sulking

[whole mural]

Microsoft confirmed the new Xbox will have access to multiple pc storefronts including steam

[cinder estuary]

They will 100% release a Bloodborne remaster for Ps6 release, but then won't release anything else for the entirety of the ps6 run

[cinder estuary]

They didn't, Linus said it can run steam, but Microsoft themselves didn't say anything about other storefronts

I'll only believe once I see Xbox running steam

XSS is a 200 buck console that can run Doom TDA on 60fps locked

If it got steam it'd be insane

[whole mural]

There’s so much evidence to back up it’s getting steam so there’s no point being disappointed

It’s getting steam

And epic games too by the looks of it

[cinder estuary]

I'll only believe it when I see it

[cinder estuary]

Slop store, don't care

[whole mural]

Don’t be suprised when they do reveal it

[frail bloom]

I think tda will will be 120 fps on the ps6

[whole mural]

It’s pretty much confirmed at this point

No one’s buying a ps6 lol

What a waste of money

[cinder estuary]

Console doomed from the start

[frail bloom]

Like how eternal went from 60 on ps4 to 120 on ps5

[whole mural]

Black ops 1000

[frail bloom]

Ppl said that abt nintendo switch 2 but I believe it sold out, unbelievable

[cinder estuary]

Xbox will basically nuke the competition

[frail bloom]

In preorders anyway

[whole mural]

That’s because Nintendo is its own brand

[frail bloom]

Ye

[whole mural]

The 24 player mariokart was a guaranteed W

I wanna play it

[cinder estuary]

If you thought the switch 2 wouldn't sell out your crazy

Nintendo slop consumers are the video equivalent of NFT lunatics

[frail bloom]

Ye

[whole mural]

Except unlike nfts Nintendo makes good content

[frail bloom]

First time being introduced to stuff like that

[cinder estuary]

good content

[frail bloom]

I watch a lot of sneaky cacti

[cinder estuary]

Sure lmao

[frail bloom]

He's funny

[cinder estuary]

90 USD kart game

[whole mural]

Breath of the wild and tears of ten kingdom are the best open world games I’ve ever played

[whole mural]

If you can’t afford it don’t buy it I guess

[cinder estuary]

Have you played anything else?

[frail bloom]

He trashes on nintendo fanboys or fanboys in general, it's fun

[whole mural]

Yeah lol

[frail bloom]

2016 style videos

[whole mural]

I have multiple Nintendo devices

[cinder estuary]

I can, but I don't think it's a good use of your money

90 USD for a kart game

[whole mural]

Again this mariokart is going to last longer than a few years

[cinder estuary]

Or 40 USD for nightreign

Better yet

60 for elden ring

[whole mural]

Rolling simulator*

[cinder estuary]

With the dlc

[cinder estuary]

Wait you think Nightreign is slop but not Mario kart world?

Nintendo slop consumers detected

[whole mural]

When did I say it was slop

[cinder estuary]

Tears of the Kingdom and Breath of the wild are two games that are unreplayable

Most empty open world games to date

You clearly didn't play elden ring to say totk or botw are better games

[whole mural]

I don’t like souls games

It’s just rng rolling simulator

[cinder estuary]

Elden Ring is an rng rolling simulator?

Holy crap lmao

The Nintendo rot

[whole mural]

Funny how breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom got crazy ratings after switch 2 came out

Almost as if it’s good

[cinder estuary]

You know what game got good reviews once it came out

[whole mural]

Most games that are not Ubisoft slop yes

[cinder estuary]

Every game including ubisoft

[frail bloom]

[whole mural]

Star Wars outlaws is not good brother

[cinder estuary]

Reviews are useless. Veilguard got an 8/10

[frail bloom]

Can't we say they're both good games

[cinder estuary]

Yes, that's my point

[frail bloom]

For different purposes

[whole mural]

I didn’t even say Elden ring was bad

[cinder estuary]

Reviews are not reliable

[whole mural]

He’s on the defensive because I said it’s a rolling simulator

[cinder estuary]

You said it's roll rng slop

[frail bloom]

I mean, slop only means one thing

[whole mural]

I didn’t call it slop lol

[cinder estuary]

Rolling rng simulator*

[whole mural]

I said it’s a rolling simulator

[cinder estuary]

It's not

[frail bloom]

A simulator is known for pedaling only one mechanic

[whole mural]

Please highlight where the word slop is

[cinder estuary]

Dark Souls 3 is, but elden ring isnt

[frail bloom]

Hence, slop

Like how tda is called parry slop

Bc you parry a lot

[whole mural]

I’ve watched a few content creators play it and rolling is 90% of a fight with a few hits here and there

[cinder estuary]

I corrected myself, you didn't say slop.

But you did make an incorrect assessment, clearly showing you didn't play the game.

Elden Ring is THE ONLY modern souls game that isn't just roll attack

[cinder estuary]

You didn't.

[whole mural]

I did

[cinder estuary]

Ongball

[frail bloom]

Idk why don't you both send examples

[whole mural]

It was roll roll roll attack roll roll roll attack heal roll attack roll roll roll heal attack heal die

[frail bloom]

I'm curious myself

[cinder estuary]

I did.

Ongball

[frail bloom]

Is that a channel

[cinder estuary]

Yes.

[frail bloom]

Ok

What other channels

[cinder estuary]

Elden Ring is the only souls game where roll spamming is not good

[whole mural]

Kai cenat, Caseoh, moist critical do a ton of rolling

[cinder estuary]

They also die a lot

Because they are bad

[frail bloom]

Well do they die

[whole mural]

Not everyone is a Elden ring god lol

[whole mural]

Yes lol

[cinder estuary]

Kai cenat infamously had 350+ deaths against an early game easy boss

[frail bloom]

Like how much

[whole mural]

Not everyone is able to 1 try a boss

[whole mural]

Regular player much

[frail bloom]

Wait, 350!!!!

Dawg

[cinder estuary]

Kai Cenat only finished the game because someone sent him a broken braindead build

[whole mural]

There’s not a single casual videogamer that beat a Elden ring boss within a few try’s

[frail bloom]

Is that attributed to rolling or are they not using all of their mechanics

[cinder estuary]

Yes, because most people start bad at the game trying to roll spam

The game punishes you hard for rollspamminf

[whole mural]

Casual players are the ones who wanna play a game for a hour before bed

[cinder estuary]

The casual players are also not the ones who keep the game alive

[whole mural]

No but there are other games that are more popular because of causal players

Like mariokart

[merry pumice]

i just realized the azrak fight is a fromsoft boss

[cinder estuary]

The reason why Nintendo only makes slop is because only casual players buy it, so the games are unreplayable.

Botw is infamously Barron of post game content

[cinder estuary]

Azrak and the which is.

[merry pumice]

ya

[cinder estuary]

Yes, and the game isn't good

[whole mural]

You played it?

[cinder estuary]

Yes

It's soulless

[whole mural]

Just you then lol

[merry pumice]

tbh i didn’t like the final boss of TDA that much. feels like reckoning is just a victory lap, much easier than enhanced azrak one level before it

[cinder estuary]

Yeah, major Nintendo slop comsumers dropping Nintendo after playing the game sure is good

[frail bloom]

I like it for that, it's cathartic for the story, and I guess gameplay. I know dlc will go crazy

[cinder estuary]

Reckoning IS a victory lap

[frail bloom]

Or I'll yell at Hugo

It's like yelling at the sky

[whole mural]

Must be twitter rants because I see none of that on YouTube

[north spire]

dont do that, Hugo is cool :c

[cinder estuary]

Confirmation bias

[frail bloom]

Alr I'll say I'm dissapointed

[cinder estuary]

Nintendo sells well because of mindless consumers, not because their games are getting better

[merry pumice]

i get it but the “chase azrak down to hell to vanquish him once and for fall” could have lended itself to a larger climax, like azrak and witch could have been some crazy empowered azrak fight with his back against the wall, the fight we got feels like the climax happened one level ago and the final boss is you putting down a whimpering dog

[cinder estuary]

They peaked at the Wii u, but after the Wii u they never played it risky ever again

[merry pumice]

it’s certainly different

[whole mural]

That’s a lot of “mindless consumers” for the fastest selling console

[merry pumice]

but idk, i like the climax to be the end. the actual final boss being this weird neutered version of the one you just fought is odd to me

[whole mural]

The wii u was trash lol what are you talking about

[frail bloom]

Fair, it's subjective but I liked it for what it was, and I'm looking forward to the high council more than ahzrak or the witch

[cinder estuary]

Yes, Nintendo weaponizes nostalgia

[cinder estuary]

Holy shit LMAO

[whole mural]

The Wii u was one of the worst nintendos ever lol

[cinder estuary]

Wind waker

[frail bloom]

The gank fight is fun tho

[whole mural]

People dropped that shit faster than taking a shit when the first switch dropped

[cinder estuary]

Btw BOTW was a game made for the Wii u, it was delayed to release with the switch

[whole mural]

BoTW was out for a year or so before the switch came out lol

It wasn’t made for the switch

[cinder estuary]

It was supposed to release earlier

[whole mural]

The dlc was out when the switch was out

[frank turtle]

whats a good weapon to farm executions with

I had to restart this chapter cause I didn't have 25 executions

[cinder estuary]

Cycler

Shredder

[frank turtle]

alr ill try those

I was trying accelerator but that shit is way too fast even with tap firing it

[cinder estuary]

Yes, because people want slop, not good games.

One Wii u game solos most of the switch

Super Mario Maker

[frank turtle]

my top 3 favorite chapters to play might be city of ry'uul, harbor of souls, and reckoning

[merry pumice]

i fucking adore the cosmic realm

[frail bloom]

Broooo same

I feel the game shines with those levels

[frank turtle]

forsaken plains and spire are good honorable mentions

[cinder estuary]

Harbor of souls Is a bit too easy for my taste

[merry pumice]

its strangely fitting for DOOM

[frank turtle]

a little compared to others, but God it's theme and layout is 10/10

[cinder estuary]

Any level with a berserk on a main arena is instantly lower tier for me

[merry pumice]

also to my dying breath i will absolutely despise the blue torch encounter with the whiplashes in that fuckass hallway on sentinel commend station

you know the one i’m talking ab

[frail bloom]

BUT RECKONING HAS IT IN THE FINAL ARENA

[cinder estuary]

For me the best levels are

Siege Part 1 (Only if you know where to get everything)

Reckoning (Great sandbox)

[frail bloom]

It's only the final arena

[cinder estuary]

That arena is a meme

[frail bloom]

Ye

[merry pumice]

that arena sucks butt

[frank turtle]

reckoning is peak, I love it

[cinder estuary]

The actual final arena is the vagary one

[frail bloom]

Yup I was abt to say

[merry pumice]

it’s like the stone imp meme room right before the dark lord in TAG 2 like why did we need this

[frail bloom]

Bc Hugo doesn't like you.

[cinder estuary]

Also, amazing level is spire

Even if you use the dragon

[frail bloom]

I'd watch out

[frank turtle]

seriously, whenever I mess around with sliders, reckoning is the map I play, instant action

[cinder estuary]

I think anything before the bfc is great

[frail bloom]

Hugo is out for a reckoning

[merry pumice]

reckoning has that room with the barron and cyberdemon in the enclosed space which i always BFC

[frail bloom]

||haha get it||

[frank turtle]

spire is really good, that'd be a good master level

[merry pumice]

almost lost my ultimately successful UN run there, no idea how i survived or why i didn’t use the BFC sooner

[cinder estuary]

I just rocket launcher the cyberdemon + cosmic baron duo

[frail bloom]

I don't bfc, I tackle it, except of course on UN

Which I never tried

Now they buffed the game a lot

[merry pumice]

strangely i find the rocket launcher absolutely awful at splash damage for anything not fodder

[cinder estuary]

There are better uses for the bfc on reckoning

[merry pumice]

like it really doesn’t do much damage on non direct hits

[cinder estuary]

The final arena, you bfc the center to get the challenge

You also should bfc both cosmic barons on the gorenest

[cinder estuary]

Blood Pact

[merry pumice]

oh yeah

i never even remember to use that because cooked rockets are so broken

when the choice is slightly more damage against tougher groups or highest burst damaging option in the entire game that can be farmed with a little game sense ik what im picking

[cinder estuary]

Blood pact for overall use

Cooked rockets for arenas with cacos

[merry pumice]

nah see i never even use cooked on cacos

[cinder estuary]

It IKS them IIRC

[merry pumice]

they’re for arenas with many green projectiles who i leave alive to gift me constant damage

which is most of them

like omg, a single armored manc

heaven

or revenant

that revenant leader + komodo room in i think it’s spire gets absolutely trivialized when you wait for the rev to do its slow volley and pound the komodo with 2 cooked rockets

[frank turtle]

a good lesson I learned a few days ago, don't test shit in ultra nightmare

[merry pumice]

GG

[cinder estuary]

Me testing pincushion on barracks without shield levels

[merry pumice]

is it bad i’ve never used the shredder at all because the salvage + empowered impaler is just so broken

[frail bloom]

What's the best way to use pincushion

[merry pumice]

like… empowered impaler headshots which are not hard to land do >SSG damage at long range

and have some weird AOE falter from my testing

[cinder estuary]

It's really good against the witch

[stoic forge]

Wtf am I supposed to do with Acolytes? There wasn’t a tutorial on them

[frail bloom]

No like comboes you can do with it

[merry pumice]

On any non armored demon tankier than an imp stalker when there are other fodders/demons in general around

[frail bloom]

Shield bash them, then shield throw, then unload

[cinder estuary]

Its not much of a combo weapon, it's more like a timing weapon

[frail bloom]

Ye like best timing I guess

[stoic forge]

Only when they’re not shielded then?

[frail bloom]

Shield bash the clone too

[cinder estuary]

You have to throw the shield as you shoot your 15th shot to maximize damage

[frail bloom]

The clone is weaker

[merry pumice]

shoot the one not in the bubble shield. saw toss to lock them down and SSG point blank or dreadmace them

[cinder estuary]

And retrieve the shield as you get the 15th

[merry pumice]

they’re some of my top priority dreadmace targets.

[dapper lark]

A close range super shotgun shot usually works

[frail bloom]

What if you do more shots

[cinder estuary]

If you have perfect timing I think the pincushion has higher dps than the accelerator

[frail bloom]

Are acolytes heavies or superheavies

[cinder estuary]

It has to be 15

[frail bloom]

Huh so I gotta count

[dapper lark]

Heavies cuz you can still throw your shield into them

[frail bloom]

Hmmmmmm

We need an archvile

[dapper lark]

NO PLEASE NO

[cinder estuary]

Aren't heavies like Mancubi and such?

[frail bloom]

YEEEEESSSSSS

[dapper lark]

Yea

[cinder estuary]

Like, are imps heavies?

[dapper lark]

And pinkie riders

[merry pumice]

does the heavy/superheavy distinction even exist anymore with the presence of stalker imps, armored demons, the fact aracnatrons have no HP

and pinky riders and shit

[cinder estuary]

I don't think acolytes are heavies

[frail bloom]

I miss those distinctions I liked putting them into categories

[cinder estuary]

Don't they get stunned by melee?

[frail bloom]

Now we get some lame lore book instead of those tech entries

[cinder estuary]

Like imp stalkers

[frail bloom]

And that disgusting red font

[dapper lark]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-slayer-doom-guy-edit-gif-9356288930180274309

[merry pumice]

DE had heavy / super heavy / fodder distinctions purely for chainsaw fuel thresholds lol

[frail bloom]

The images are also not high res photos of demons, they're drawings

Lame.

[merry pumice]

HELL

[dapper lark]

Fits with the theme tho

[merry pumice]

(and it’s off centered )

[dapper lark]

Is it actually???

[frail bloom]

Ye and it pisses me off still

[merry pumice]

yup

[cinder estuary]

I think heavies are any enemy that don't get stunned by the bash

[dapper lark]

I'm gonna tweak

[frail bloom]

I mean we have uac-ish tech in hebeth we could've had some tech like entries

[dapper lark]

But it's not to the lvl like 2016 and eternal

[frail bloom]

Make it happen

Hugo pls come back

[merry pumice]

but whiplashes and revenants get stunned

off the top of my head

[frail bloom]

Anyways

[stoic forge]

Which is the clone?

[cinder estuary]

Yes, revenants also die super quickly

[frail bloom]

The monochrome one

[cinder estuary]

Whiplashes not so much

[dapper lark]

The one without color

[frail bloom]

Black and white guy

[merry pumice]

but they’re still heavies

[cinder estuary]

Okay so

[dapper lark]

Reminds me of the doom eternal demon skin

[frail bloom]

Ye but ingame which is cooler

[merry pumice]

tbh i don’t think the fodder, heavy, super heavy distinction really matters anymore because in eternal it was just for the chainsaw

[stoic forge]

Do I need to kill the clone?

[dapper lark]

And weak points

[merry pumice]

no iirc they share an HP bar

[frail bloom]

Yes.

[cinder estuary]

It doesnt work for tda too

[merry pumice]

not really bc all demons were weak to the head in eternal

[cinder estuary]

Imps
Revenants
Mancubus

[frail bloom]

Wait no? Isn't the acolyte invincible otherwise

[dapper lark]

Mancubus is the most satisfying weak point to hit in eternal imo

[cinder estuary]

All being heavies make no sense

For tda

[dapper lark]

Superheavies tho

[merry pumice]

yeah which is why i’m claiming “heavies” as a category don’t really exist

[frank turtle]

if I had a PC it'd be cool to make and edit a video ranking every chapter in tda

[merry pumice]

okay what’s the list of superheavies then, cyber, baron, komodo, and vagary?

[frank turtle]

@cinder estuary you should make that un walk through, I think people would really appreciate that

[dapper lark]

I would make one but I'd be bad

[frail bloom]

Damn only 4

[dapper lark]

Pretty sure yea

[frail bloom]

Yup gimme archvile

[cinder estuary]

I need to get my pc back

[frail bloom]

It's time, we're good enough

[frank turtle]

I respect ppls opinion, I'd pretty much rank em on enjoyablity

[merry pumice]

feels weird to have hell knights and battle knights in the same category

[dapper lark]

Stop,your gonna make me wish I never bought the game 😭

[cinder estuary]

I have a capture card

[frank turtle]

sential barracks and the first atlan level are gonna be lowww

[frail bloom]

Whyyyyy archviles are so good at making the player engaged

[dapper lark]

Its the same enemy,just different attacks and armor

[frail bloom]

You lock in when there's an archvile

[dapper lark]

I hate them so bad just cuz of eternal

[frank turtle]

and from beyond

[cinder estuary]

Sentinel barracks is a filter level

[merry pumice]

same with armored aracnatron but feels much different

[frank turtle]

u mean filler? or wdym

[merry pumice]

and technically armored manc does the fence attack and not fireballs

[frail bloom]

Well I was thinking more classic archvile with a parryable hitscan

[dapper lark]

That's even easier to kill,just one 2 shots with the super shotgun and it's dead

[cinder estuary]

Filter

[dapper lark]

Ok that'd be fire icl

[cinder estuary]

Its a really easy level to die on, especially after the update

[dapper lark]

I have PTSD from the eternal archvile

Couldn't even beat the gore nest master lvl on nightmare cuz of em

[frank turtle]

I just don't enjoy playing it tbh

[cinder estuary]

I dont like it that much because of the amount of stone imps

[dapper lark]

Aren't they only in a few rooms?

[cinder estuary]

Stone imps are so fucking canceroue

[cinder estuary]

8 on the impaler room, 4 on the mancubus leader

[merry pumice]

archvile probably wouldn’t fit TDA

#NUKESTONEIMPS

[cinder estuary]

Depends, i think a summoner would be fun. The acolyte is basically a summoner

[dapper lark]

I think it would but I don't want it to

[cinder estuary]

Also, fhe mancubus leader spawn is FOUL

2 lost souls 4 stone imps 2 hell knights

[merry pumice]

well i’m thinking about the arena design. eternal’s arenas were deep, vertical, big, complex. TDA’s arenas are largely flat. hunting down the archive was fun in eternal and when he did manage to summon they were spread around decently. i could only imagine how boring it would be in TDA

[dapper lark]

I never had trouble with it

[dapper lark]

I'd be more annoyed than challenged

[cinder estuary]

Me neither,but thats because I know the encounter

[mental grotto]

Need classic archvile in tda dlc. Make that fucker smooth

[cinder estuary]

But it still is a hard encounter for early game

[dapper lark]

I need to do another playthrough of dark ages

[frank turtle]

when you get dashed by them, they can almost one shot you

[cinder estuary]

How many have you done?

The stone imps were added recently

[cinder estuary]

The mancubus leader has a one shot situation

[merry pumice]

stone imps had genuinely no reason to be brought back other than it’s fucking hilarious when you parry their entire existence

[cinder estuary]

He can one shot uou on spawn if you play badly

Because of the stone imps + lost soul + mancubus barrier

[dapper lark]

2,first one was my introduction, the second was for the gold armor (that I did in one sitting) and I'm trying to do the pandemonium one for the skin

[merry pumice]

stone imps were an awful addition to TAG2, only existed to inorganically force the usage of a shitty weapon mod. they should have been forgotten to time

[cinder estuary]

The tag2 stone imps are terrible game design

[dapper lark]

Fr

[cinder estuary]

Same for the spirits

The microwave is a completely gutted design

[merry pumice]

instead of making full auto viable through balancing for finding a more organic way to encourage the player to use it they just made an enemy that you basically have to full auto

[cinder estuary]

You can only kill them with full auto

[fair gull]

Hate how it takes so long and slows you down so much

[cinder estuary]

The microwave has some niche usages, but nothing related with the weapkn design itself

The weapon design is just bad, peripd

[merry pumice]

i’ll give the microwave beam on spirits a pass because it required gamesense to put yourself in a safe spot while being vulnerable microwaving them, plus resource management, plus it overburdened cell ammo which was great because the ballista is fucking broken in eternal

[cinder estuary]

The entirem plasma rifle on eternal is kind of ass

No point in using the overheat because blood punches are just better

[merry pumice]

stone imps are literally just lock and key, simon says full auto

which sucks if you use sticky bombs

[cinder estuary]

I love eternal but after a certain point i barely use some of the weapons

I drop then plasma rifle really early, i drop the micro missiles really early, i never use the ballista without the destroyer blades

[merry pumice]

I basically view pairs of weapons together for quick swap combo, so SGG Ballista, PB Rocket, etc. never used plasma outside of very niche microwave beam taps and chaingun was purely panic button shield

burst damage is just so much better in that game than the sustained fire because quick swapping allows for sustained burst burst burst

[cinder estuary]

Any automatic weapon on eternal gets supremely cucked because of hotswapping

[merry pumice]

yeah

[cinder estuary]

I use the mirco missil3s because i like them, but its so fucking ass

[merry pumice]

which is why i never heard heavy cannon primary fire, only used plasma for microwave, and only used chaingun for panic shield

[merry pumice]

destroy the kahn maykr with this one simple trick

i could never use micro missiles just because of the pure dopamine of PB

[cinder estuary]

I refuse to not use the mobile turret

[merry pumice]

you’re a better person than me lol

i have no idea how the chaingun shield wasn’t scrapped after 5 mins of testing

or laughed out of the pitch room meeting

i genuinely feel bad for the demons when i use it

and they aren’t even real

[cinder estuary]

Badly designed weapon

Eternal has both the best designed fps weapons and the worst

[merry pumice]

true

we need to destroy the unmaykr

[cinder estuary]

Chaingun shield
Microwave
Full Auto
Arballest (somewhat)

The heavy assault rifle (besides PB)

Actually the entire plasma rifle on eternal is so poorly designed

[merry pumice]

me when i clear every super hard challenge in the game for a “super weapon” that barely outdamages SSG Ballista and eats into the ammo for the actual good superweapon

[cinder estuary]

Also the crucible and the hammer are both insanely badly designed

The crucible feels awesome tho

[merry pumice]

crucible is fine tbh the hammer is obv busted it caused an entire controversy

many choose to simply not use the crucible

[cinder estuary]

Ths hammer makes the combat braindead

[merry pumice]

yeah the hammer is absolutely abysmal and just totally antithetical to the design philosophy of DE

which is why i never replay TAG2. only tag 1

[cinder estuary]

Crucible should have just replaced the chainsaw as a sidegrade

[cinder estuary]

If TDA has one glaring plus over eternal is that all of your tools dont feel like they are going against the game's design

Even if some are just absurd like the dreadmace

Eternal has some weapons and mods that just dont fit

If melees had no slowmo id whole heartedly say thay its a way better mechanic than the chainsaw

The slowmo makes it grating imho

[merry pumice]

this is true

i’ve noticed that each one of TDA’s weapon fit some niche

[cinder estuary]

More like each has a good setup that has good sinergies with your other tools

DE has dead weapons that are suboptimal onntheir own niches

Its because of the hotswapping

The hotswapping increases the skill ceiling but kills certain weapons

[merry pumice]

Shotgun - close range+armor
SSG - pure close range, anti-armor
Shredder - fodder control + pincushion burst
Impaler - range, precision, burst, combo w shield and melee
Accelerator - Sustained DOT
Cycler - medium - heavy crowd control and follow up
Rocket launcher - healing, splash, projectile parries
Grenade launcher - pure crowd control
Pulverizer - FOOTAGE MISSING
Ravager - sustained DOT + health
Chainshot - long range burst + anti armor

Gauntlet - combo, shock
Flail - Shield, anti-armor
Dreadmace - war crimes

these are all off the top of my head

[cinder estuary]

You can go evern more in depth

SSG + Gauntlet + Turret = high dps combos with great sustain

Combat Shotgun + Turret + Gauntlet = unkillable wall

[merry pumice]

Combat shotgun + Fissure + Flail = Shield monkey

[cinder estuary]

Shredder + Thunder + Flail = super easy aoe dps

[cinder estuary]

This one is redundant, but yes

The turret + combat shotgun goes hard

[neon moss]

Why the turret in particular? I haven't run turret much, so I'm wondering why those work well together.

[cinder estuary]

Cycler + dagger + flail = instant kill combos

[merry pumice]

i guess the runes go
Fissue - Falter and Shield
Daggers - Crowd control
Turret - Damage and healing
Splitter - falter and shock

[cinder estuary]

If i recal correctly, the turret makes burning enemies piss out armor

[merry pumice]

it’s a disgusting amount of damage and healing

[cinder estuary]

And it also give you a lot of health

[merry pumice]

it’s health on HIT too not even health on kill

insane

[cinder estuary]

Daggers is not CC

Daggers is pure DPS

[merry pumice]

you kinda can’t die while it’s active

[neon moss]

oh shit. I haven't run the turret...maybe I should start.

[merry pumice]

haven’t used them too much i’ll take your word for it

[hasty stone]

Can you see the turret on doom guys suit in cinematics though?

[merry pumice]

no sadly it isn’t like the equip launcher from eternal

that thing was fucking sick

[cinder estuary]

Daggers can instantly kill a mancubus leader

[hasty stone]

Lightning is cool as shit

[merry pumice]

i haven’t used it enough to observe all the damage thresholds. i’ll have to do some more experimenting

[cinder estuary]

Lighting + Cooked Rocket = cross map instakills

[merry pumice]

there are certain things i basically haven’t touched. cycler, shredder, gauntlet

ravager lol

[cinder estuary]

It does in total 138k damage

By comparison the turret does 35k

[merry pumice]

but can you get it to concentrate on a single target?

[cinder estuary]

Cycler buff = almost 170k

[merry pumice]

or do they kinda go everywhere

[cinder estuary]

You dont even need it to

Just getting half the daggers is higher damage than any other weapon or rune

[merry pumice]

huh

also where do you find these damage numbers

i haven’t been able to find them for tda

[cinder estuary]

On this sever

[merry pumice]

oh is it buried in this channel somewhere

[cinder estuary]

But even without the numbers i can assure you

Daggers intantly kill almost all leaders

With proper setup

[merry pumice]

why is the doom wiki so pathetic btw

[frank turtle]

I think the bfc might be the strongest version of the bfg ngl

[merry pumice]

nah it’s eternal’s

screen wipe if there is an open ceiling

outdoor arena

BFC is just a localized nuke

[frank turtle]

eternals is op too

[merry pumice]

i put BFC on mouse wheel click

it feels right

[cinder estuary]

Instant damage, yeah

It is way more braindead than all previous iterations

But the ammo is super scarce

[stoic forge]

Hey what’s the meta rune?

[cinder estuary]

Yes

Jkjk

[stoic forge]

Best rune from a gameplay perspective

[cinder estuary]

What weapon are you using

[stoic forge]

How dare you

[cinder estuary]

It depends

Every rune is good, depends on what weapkn you are running

[stoic forge]

Cycler and rifle

[cinder estuary]

Rifle?

Well, the cycler is good with the daggers

[stoic forge]

The pincushion one

Why is rune weapon-dependent?

[merry pumice]

runes are play style

Fissure is good damage, AOE, drops armor
I’m told holy swarm is the best for pure damage
Turret is great damage and drops health,
heaven splitter is stun and shock

[stoic forge]

But none of those relate to weapons imo

[merry pumice]

i mean the shock effect compliments the cycler for example

and fissue + combat shotgun is armor stacking

[cinder estuary]

They completely change how you approach the combat when paired with certain weapons

Fissure + cycler is not the same as daggers + cycler

This game the weapons and runes dont work in a vaccum, they change purpose depending on uour other options

For example

[merry pumice]

@cinder estuary do you have a source on that daggers 138k damage number thing i’m curious now

because i haven’t been able to find damage values

[cinder estuary]

Pulverizer + Gauntlet + fissure plays completely differently from pulverizer + flail + turret

[cinder estuary]

Its on this server, its a sc of someone breaking down the numbers

[merry pumice]

is there a way to see that or did it get buried under a bunch of messGes

[cinder estuary]

Burried

Last time I saw was like a week ago

[merry pumice]

#bruh

[frank turtle]

enhanced asscrack time

Hopefully I don't fuck it up

[merry pumice]

UN?

[frank turtle]

gonna use impaler I guess

yeah, 100% un

[merry pumice]

ooooo

use impeller based

[ruby adder]

your art is good

[merry pumice]

omg they draw boobs on twitter

[frank turtle]

draw 2 men kissing

[merry pumice]

now draw the slayer and prince azrak kissing

[frank turtle]

lmao

I beat him thank god

[meager vortex]

diablo meet doom slayer

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

diablo

[frank turtle]

I died on reckoning 💔

should've bfc idk why I was saving it for the vagary champion

oh for sure, Its genuinely creepy as hell at times

the underwater stuff especially

good point, you feel powerful but scared

[cinder estuary]

Danke

[cinder estuary]

Bfc the acolyte only, always bfc the gorenest and the komodo

[frank turtle]

yeah I got to all of that but that last arena got me somehow

I'll probably start another run tmr

[cinder estuary]

Yes

[frank turtle]

big fan of boobs

[cinder estuary]

I lost my 100% UN run on the fucking bdsm room

The pinkie leader room on sentinel command station

With the whiplash that is always throwing projectiles and never melees

Doom 3 is "scawy"

Fear is straight up a better game

Both in gunplay and horror

Doom 3 has a lot of bad designs

But then it goes super fucking hard on the hell knight

So much so its now more iconic than the og hell knight

The obsidian hell knight

Is so fucking rad

[frank turtle]

that room fucking sucks omfg, idk what it is but it's a pain

[cinder estuary]

The whiplashis programmed to not melee you

It never leaves the pinky's side

It spams the cross

Its so cancer

[frank turtle]

yeah I was gonna mention this in the doom 3 channel, the hell variant demons are so cool

[cinder estuary]

Also I legit think it input reads

[frank turtle]

and especially the hell knight

[ruby adder]

I must ask

Do you know someone named coffeetoffee?

[frank turtle]

you just gotta focus that whiplash and kill it asap, usually I kill the leader first but with that encounter I go for the whiplash

[cinder estuary]

Not out of the top of my head

[frank turtle]

I lowkey like the cacodemon

[ruby adder]

weird bc most nsfw artists know each other

[agile junco]

Is there any good doom merch that isnt expensive

[ruby adder]

do you do commissions?

[frank turtle]

it's still definitely the worst cacodemon design

[cinder estuary]

Yes

[cinder estuary]

I just like to do my own thinf

[ruby adder]

Dms?

[cinder estuary]

Sure

Such a bad design

And irs completely harmless

It has the best plasma gun

Holy fuck the reload sound makes me go crazy

I think the best bfg design is eternals, but the projectile is so fucking wimpy

The bfc has the best projectile

The bfc feels really powerful

It is the best out ofmthe modern 3 games

Doom 1 and 2 plasma guns are really good

But they look like vaccum cleaners