the-dark-ages

[whole mural]

I think it’s the overboost upgrade or some

It reaches max heat and does great damage

Also pin cushion is great

[stoic forge]

Pin cushion is different because the impaler is a single-shot so it makes sense to keep using the automatic primary weapon. Cycler just seemed to overwrite any usefulness the Accelerator has.

[whole mural]

Cycler feels trash

Accelerator crazy

[orchid gust]

^^^

[whole mural]

Cycler didn’t really feel like a doom gun

[real lynx]

Cycler is for crowd control and debuff

Accelerator is for DPS. They serve totally different roles

[whole mural]

Why use Cycler for crowd control when the shield throw and grenade launcher exist

[real lynx]

heavies

the cycler is excellent for locking down groups of heavy demons and debuffing them. plus once you get it going it chains like crazy

[stoic forge]

Idk how to figure out DPS so I assumed later guns were more powerful. Is Accelerator actually better?

[whole mural]

Why did you do this to yourself

[whole mural]

When you get the rocket launcher and chain shot or even the shield rune that makes chain lighting the Cycler isn’t really needed

[dapper lark]

Other than the upgrades you get for the accelerator,I wouldn't think so

[whole mural]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-laughing-gif-13031147940704744720

[dapper lark]

https://tenor.com/view/spicy-cat-spicy-cat-laughing-cat-scream-gif-3937188152583584586

[whole mural]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-stare-gif-21084269

[dapper lark]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sleep-dog-sleeping-w-goofy-sleeping-sound-gif-5498863985254423453

[whole mural]

https://tenor.com/view/soheb-saucelessss-gif-23665203

[dapper lark]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dog-cute-dog-gif-18342081590163558723

[whole mural]

https://tenor.com/view/brazil-dog-dancing-gif-9542887530094024365

[dapper lark]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-cute-dogmeme-dogfunny-stares-gif-1661670899751128388

[whole mural]

https://tenor.com/view/nose-fur-kawaii-sniff-canine-gif-20552016

[dapper lark]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-13708344473469658804

[whole mural]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-side-eye-fast-meme-gif-12980600332864218269

[dapper lark]

https://tenor.com/view/cop-dog-carrying-police-tail-wag-gif-16618288483190044446

[whole mural]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-biting-fence-gif-8076562855776261232

[dapper lark]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-funny-meme-silly-dumb-gif-14953735655955907868

[whole mural]

https://tenor.com/view/buttefly-dog-butterfly-dog-собака-бабочка-gif-3477745535671394965

[merry sapphire]

2016 is kinda #Ass when playing it after eternal and TDA

[whole mural]

Shut up

[dapper lark]

2016 is still goated

[merry sapphire]

YOU shut up

[whole mural]

Eternal is ass

[merry sapphire]

Yeah 2016 is an amazing game still

[whole mural]

2016 is far better

[merry sapphire]

Sure Man 😂

[split gate]

Welcome to social media, where opinion becomes fact

[whole mural]

One sided argument by the way

[dapper lark]

Ok idk bout that

[whole mural]

Eternal is the worst of the 3 sequels

[merry sapphire]

eternal is the best of the 3 sequels

[whole mural]

Worst music, worst super shot gun, worst graphics

[midnight marsh]

Yeah, it's badass for sure!

[merry sapphire]

best music, best super shot gun, Best art style

[dapper lark]

Oh wait,it's ragebait

[whole mural]

Actually delusional

[merry sapphire]

im Actually Lusional

no De

[whole mural]

Your just insane then

Eternal is boring af compared to the other 2

[merry sapphire]

you're* Sane*

[merry sapphire]

Eternal is Amazing af compared to the other 2

[whole mural]

Twitter comeback btw

[whole mural]

Newgen argument

[dapper lark]

Eternal and Dark Ages are the most fun out of the reboot series

[merry sapphire]

CEO comeback btw

[merry sapphire]

oldgen Argument

[whole mural]

Go back to Fortnite please

[merry sapphire]

Tell Em Shoko

[merry sapphire]

Guess which Doomguy they got in that game 😂 2016 slayer would never

[whole mural]

2016 has better graphics, better music better super shotgun better glory kills better guns and better intro and outro

[dapper lark]

I went back and played 2016,i was just bored, mostly cuz it's not eternal or dark ages

It's just slower

[merry sapphire]

eternal has better graphics, better music, better super shotgun, better glory kills, better guns, better into and outro

[whole mural]

Yeah this guys a troll

[merry sapphire]

Cook em Shoko

[whole mural]

Get back under the bridge buddy

[merry sapphire]

wait are you actually serious 😭 ❓

[whole mural]

Yes I am

[merry sapphire]

😂 LMAO

[whole mural]

Eternal is actually dog water

[merry sapphire]

eternal is Actually Amazing water

[dapper lark]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-doom-doomguy-doom-slayer-gif-1856426728697571896

[whole mural]

Eternal glazer in chat

[merry sapphire]

he got really mad that i think eternal > 2016

[dapper lark]

*2 eternal glazers in chat

[whole mural]

The eternals channel isn’t here

[merry sapphire]

fuck em up shoko

[whole mural]

Go back to your channel

[merry sapphire]

2016 chat also isnt here yet you seem to like talking about it alot too

[whole mural]

Fr

[dapper lark]

I spent too many hours on both games

[merry sapphire]

Tell em Shoko

[whole mural]

Doom 3 better than eternal

[dapper lark]

57 hours in Eternal and 41 on dark ages

[merry sapphire]

😂

[dapper lark]

If you want a horror style game sure

[whole mural]

Doom 3 got better level design than eternals too

[merry sapphire]

silent hill 2 gon shell shock this man

[whole mural]

You could just remove the map after you get the meat hook and it wouldn’t make much difference

[dapper lark]

It's a whole different type of game,ofc it's gonna have different lvl design

[whole mural]

Real

[dapper lark]

And then he killed the Azglazer

[brisk ingot]

doom 64 has the best level design

[whole mural]

Yes

[merry sapphire]

love how the community actually calls him asscrack funniest shit man

[whole mural]

Now here’s a man of intelligence

[dapper lark]

Ikr lol

[merry sapphire]

unironically i agree

[whole mural]

Doom 64 is the goat

[merry sapphire]

hot take but i think doom 64 is way more fun than the classic doom games

[whole mural]

Not hot

All I see is a fact right there

[merry sapphire]

the levels there are so fun and unique

[whole mural]

Another fact

[merry sapphire]

🤝

[graceful lion]

literally is a classic doom game wdym

[merry sapphire]

the classic-er games idk man

[graceful lion]

is it not classic enough?

[whole mural]

Doom 64 was kinda left to sit until 2020

[merry sapphire]

ion even know about it until eternal was out and they made a port for it

[whole mural]

I have a Nintendo 64 with the doom cartridge

Nintendo 64 gameplay is completely different to pc

[merry sapphire]

is it actually hell playing that game with a 64 controller

[whole mural]

A little

[merry sapphire]

thank god for the port

[dapper lark]

I played with one,it would suck

[whole mural]

Intro for doom 64 hits different on the nintendo though

[full barn]

i wanna use the 2016 suit in dark ages

[dapper lark]

Imo,the og slayer suit is only good in 2016

[merry sapphire]

2016 suit is sick but i LOVE the direction they went after 2016 with eternal and tda

[full barn]

2016 suit is peak man dont disrespect that shit

[merry sapphire]

made the slayer less "Another green marine protaginist" and made him more unique

[dapper lark]

I personally don't like it compared to the eternal and Dark Ages suits

[whole mural]

Doom 64 armour on top

[dapper lark]

Tda's suit is one of my favorites

[merry sapphire]

doom 64 armor Kinda #Ass i genuinely think it looks ugly as hell

[merry sapphire]

that cape man

[dapper lark]

The helmet too

[whole mural]

I have the helmet

[merry sapphire]

i like how they made his visor smaller like the classic games

[dapper lark]

My favorite thing is on different recolors,it changes the color of the visor

[merry sapphire]

sucks that all we get is recolors

[dapper lark]

Tru but I have the gold suit sooo

[merry sapphire]

o shiddd you beat UN?

im halfway there after hellbreaker

[dapper lark]

I did it in 6 hours without a break

[merry sapphire]

what did you use?

im using (all fully upgraded) shotgun, flail, and ground fissure rune. all for armor overload

[dapper lark]

The shoulder turret,a Cycler and Super shotgun combo,and the dreadmace

With the cycler upgrades,you can do more damage

[merry sapphire]

doesnt ground fissure do more damage than the turret?

also im def maining the dreadmace after i get it in my run

i just dont like the helmet

[dapper lark]

It might,but I use it cuz I like the single target damage

Good for bosses and mini bosses

[full barn]

turret is just stylish

[fathom remnant]

I want to be at the last level but I already did two levels today and I'm trying to savor this game. But I don't feel right bc I wanna play dark ages bc it's awesome and finish it but I don't wanna reach the destination end rn.

[tame sage]

Add team death match to dark ages👈

[merry sapphire]

it even does more damage on single targets too lmao

it does the most damage in boss fights

[merry sapphire]

agreed

[frosty mantle]

Bro, Accord to one of the codex, the Samur action was a heresy and without the acknowledge of khan.
So, Is the Slayer got controlled by tether later after the dreadnought event or at the same time Samur put him in the divinity machine?

[frank turtle]

I think I remember someone saying it's after the dreadnought

[native kettle]

anybody got the berserker achievement for no reason? im currently at the 8th level

[split gate]

Is it your first playthrough? I recommend playing the game again, I enjoyed it more in my second playthrough, maybe it’ll be the same for you

Don’t be afraid to play as much as you want haha

[sleek hawk]

I finally got the Ultra Nightmare skin

shi took way to long

[split gate]

Your profile pic is what you look like after beating UN

[sleek hawk]

ong

I still gotta to pandemonium tho unfo, shi gonna be a sec

[civic field]

at least doom games are very replayable

[sleek hawk]

Yeah, honestly wish they had more stuff right now though, even the achievments are lacking kinda

I liked how you could customize or get more stuff in eternal, ig felt more rewarding

[split gate]

This game needs a horde mode so bad too. Not like the horde mode in Eternal but the traditional kind

[sleek hawk]

Yeah, or just kinda anything. I wouldn't even mind a battle pass like last time, especially since it was free, though I'd maybe say updating it a bit to make people more inclined to play and to make it challenging

I'm pretty sure master levels are coming, but I hope they add more cosmetic based stuff, alongside maybe more modes

Pretty sure they aren't doing multiplayer, but if that happened idek how that'd work

[maiden onyx]

So was doomguy beefier in this game? bro's stomps are insane.

I can't tell if he lost weight in the sarcophagus or if that impact compensation in the sequels is carrying like crazy.

[split gate]

He got flattened by the temple the priests dropped on him he lost weight in the process

[maiden onyx]

does this work outside of the doom games? 🤔

[split gate]

Only one way to find out

[maiden onyx]

I'll let you know the results 🫡

[split gate]

Your sacrifice will not be forgotten

[wheat cloak]

damn after he got that injury near the end to the face i thought he would have no chance of bagging thira

[frank turtle]

love getting at the end of a level and realizing I missed one secret

damn you abyssal forest

[split gate]

No way, that was the same level for me too

I have no clue where the last secret was

[frank turtle]

I missed this life sigil in the 2nd arena where you shoot the turret

[split gate]

This was during my unmodified pandemonium run

[split gate]

Maybe that was it

[frank turtle]

yeah I'm on my un run, trying to 100% it

wish this game had fast travel

[split gate]

100%ing it takes guts, I commend you

Once i finish my pandemonium, I’m going in for unmodified UN

[frank turtle]

Goodluck, once you beat pandemonium ur basically prepared for un

[quiet kiln]

.

I recently redeemed a promotional code for DOOM: The Dark Ages that came with my RTX 4050 laptop using the following code:....The code was redeemed successfully through NVIDIA’s redemption portal on June 3rd, 2025. However, I have not received the game in my Bethesda net account, and no Steam/Epic/Bethesda key was sent to me.
Could you please confirm if the game has been added to my account or guide me on how to claim it?
Can you help with this?

[stoic sleet]

1 single gold bar is worse

[split gate]

yes it is my second pandemonium run, my feared level is the Barracks, the final boss buff is crazy

[silent surge]

played spire NM 100%
quit out after doing the 3 stasis because i didn’t destroy ships (didn’t think of it)

run it back again in full

miss a patch of 5 gold
was 100% til now

……….

it was late, i was ready to go, so i decided to just keep on

should’ve ran it back for practice another day but alas

[stoic sleet]

Worst part is missing a secret if ur trying to 100% pande or UN

[frank turtle]

omg

[frank turtle]

Basically cause you have to redo the whole mission AND risk dying when replaying it

[stoic sleet]

I dont think u can replay missions in pande and un

So if u didnt notice until the end

Well fuck

[frank turtle]

nah u can, u just gotta restart the whole mission

thank god it's not like that

[neon gust]

With that said you have to hate yourself to do a 100% run on those difficulties

[stoic sleet]

Perfection takes time

[neon gust]

I have a 100% completion run on nightmare (done) and for my current pandemonium run I focus on what can nab me upgrades

so I go for some secrets, mission objectives and life sigils if I'm not maxed out

[dim gust]

hey yall, got a new pc, is dark ages mworth full price?

[neon gust]

thank god for Siege part 1 this map has like 7 life sigils in it

[neon gust]

No, try to grab a key somewhere

[dim gust]

what

[neon gust]

Well, it depends on where you are and what your Steam price is

[dim gust]

its like uhh

[north spire]

I’d say so, but if money’s tight, I wouldn’t blame you for waiting for a sale

[neon gust]

if you're European like me the base game is probably 80 bucks and I'm sorry I'm not spending that much on any game

(as in 80 euros which is like 96 dollars)

[dim gust]

69 dollars after i convert to dollar

nice

[neon gust]

Ok that seems reasonable for full price for base game

[dim gust]

i see

[neon gust]

you could buy premium edition for the DLC but you might want to wait to see if you like the game first

[dim gust]

what dlc

[neon gust]

DLC is already planned

[dim gust]

damn fr? wild

[neon gust]

Premium Edition will have all the DLC for free

[dim gust]

i like doom alot and finish other games at nightmare

[neon gust]

while base game owners will have to buy it separately

[neon gust]

are you absolutely sure you can run this game? system requirements have never been so important before

[dim gust]

the pc i just got is much better than my laptop

[graceful lion]

specs>

because basically any low tier pc is better than a low end laptop 😭

[north spire]

I would recommend playing on nightmare or playing around with the difficulty settings if you’re looking for more of a challenge cause UV in dark ages is a bit easier than Eternal.

[dim gust]

rtx 4070 super
i5 144000 f something idk

[graceful lion]

oh ur set for a decade or two

[dim gust]

until they decide to make new requirements that need a new gen card

2 decade is too generous way too generous\

[neon gust]

yeah you can totally run this, you might even be able to run path tracing on the game

[maiden onyx]

my laptop battery reached 50 degrees the other day playing dtda (granted I hadn't cleaned the fans in 4 years 💀) but still, pc's are so much more comfy 😭

[dim gust]

eh i dont wanna force my pc too much

just normal very high settings is fine

no need for tracing bs

[dim gust]

ofc i would do nightmare, at faster speed too just like usual

[frank turtle]

it won't run, you might aswell give ur pc to me

[dim gust]

lets trade what do you have

[frank turtle]

xbox lmao

[dim gust]

damn

[frank turtle]

and a Patrick star painted rock

[dim gust]

my samsung fridge is better

[neon gust]

running modern doom on smart fridge is crazy work

[dim gust]

it can run gta 6

[frank turtle]

I wonder if my 8 year old gaming laptop can run doom tda with ray tracing

[dim gust]

bro creating a bomb

and then the country would think its another missile attack and then ww3 happens

[frank turtle]

omfg, I've heard that from my good friend aswell 💔

I'm scared to turn it on ngl

[dim gust]

theres a guy pc that survived a missile and runs better after

the shockwave blow away the dust

[neon gust]

laptop running the siege part 1 benchmark, dead man's switch on path tracing for remote detonation

[frank turtle]

dead man's switch is crazy

[dim gust]

remote detonation is crazy

[ancient locust]

is it worth for me to get gamepass for this game

[meager vortex]

skull crusher is awsome!

[frank turtle]

I mean, In my opinion I'd say yeah

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-gun-skull-skull-crusher-gif-16851006177808505358

[frank turtle]

so sick

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-shotgun-lever-action-gif-2020066775983639348

I swear the team at id never misses when it comes to hell levels

[meager vortex]

doom 2016 skull crusher is glory kill

slayer punched demon skull crushed

one shot one kill

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-doom-slayer-gaming-toys-gif-16770751

demon:oh shit im doomed!

[frank turtle]

[meager vortex]

that demon is very very very poor his soul

[maiden onyx]

I love the spin reload of the ssg, it's so goofy in a good way

[meager vortex]

there are doom the dark ages play style is 3

1 juggernaut 2 hybrid 3 specialist

juggernaut style is heavy armored slayer

hybrid slayer style is balaced

specialist is expert slayer

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-wallpaper-background-gif-14171540869903549172

[harsh egret]

200mb update apparently

[lime scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/wassup-sup-kid-doom-doom-slayer-gif-26144015

[hasty stone]

my tda just updated

230mb

[flint perch]

Guys, I have to ask: can we agree that the 4:05 mark of Blood Spill from TDA goes cinematically hard? It just hits some kinda way. Really invokes that last push against your enemy, with the fate of the universe at hand

The backing orchestra, the blast beats

the half-time

[lime scroll]

WAS THERE AN UPDATE OR WHAT?

[harsh egret]

lol chill its prob just random fixes

[hasty stone]

it's prolly nothing

[merry sapphire]

its probably Everything

[harsh egret]

i bet they compressed horde mode into a 200mb update

[barren warren]

“super shotgun damage reduced by 100% because fuck you”

[merry sapphire]

programming genuises idsoftware at it again

[idle valve]

does ultra-nightmare mean i can restart the level after death or the save file gets deleted like hardcore minecraft (yeah great comparison ik)

[harsh egret]

permadeath

[barren warren]

the latter, the former is pandemonium

[idle valve]

thanks

[merry sapphire]

no problem man

[uneven mortar]

I'm so happy they fixed the hell knight SSG thing 🥳 🥳 🥳

[merry pumice]

i beat pandemonium on my first try but am 15 attempts into UN and haven’t beaten it

closest i’ve gotten was the enhanced ass crack fight and died to a bug

[hasty stone]

90% game speed feels like 2016

[merry pumice]

increasingly convinced you can’t beat this mode without being unemployed

good thing i’m part time

[merry sapphire]

Damn

im on the spire level on my first try so i think im pretty good

i am NOT excited for the bossfights however

[neon gust]

Hey I just got like a 200 MB update right now, and it's not the path tracing update. Does anyone know what changed?

[delicate grotto]

Honestly one part I’d be worried about is the encounter before the BFC. One of the harder ones in the campaign, imo.

[urban whale]

Does anyone know where can I find Serrat the asset extractor?

[grave flume]

what did the patch change?

[mental grotto]

Implemented slayer and ahzrak romance plot line (secret ending)

[grave flume]

hell yeh

[neon gust]

great. another pandemonium run lost to chapter 8

died on enemies ganging up on me

this sucks man I never usually die to something so stupid

[foggy flame]

Wait until you get to the Komodo Champion. That guy sucks to deal with

[neon gust]

no I know what he does

I have a NM savefile 100% completion

[foggy flame]

I’m currently on chapter 20 on my pandemonium run

[neon gust]

I was already not looking forward to seeing the Agaddon Hunter again but the Komodo is so much worse

[foggy flame]

Agaddon hunter can go suck one lol

[neon gust]

he's not even that difficult to deal with but like

when I showed up he just straight up shield bashed me

and because I hadn't seen one in a while I got caught off guard

[keen vortex]

a quick patch dropped for dark ages

anybody knows where to see the changes?

[neon gust]

I've downloaded it too, no idea where to go except maybe the Slayers Club

[quiet needle]

Somebody tryed the komodo in nightmare while 50% dmge to demons? Feels like eternal (the time to kll this b***

Komodo is a pain vs aggadon hunter

[hollow sandal]

Yooo watsup

[quiet needle]

Yoo bro!

[rocky badger]

What is today's patch?

[torn veldt]

until ray tracing is mandatory and path tracing starts to become mandatory

decade tops, and even then i doubt a decade will be enough

[merry sapphire]

funny thing, i literally JUST died to it on UN

like 10 seconds ago im so Pissed

i even practiced it and i panicked like crazy anyway

[polar drum]

Meanwhile still on chapter17 on N

Do you guys play through levels before progressing in UN?

[merry sapphire]

thats what i was doing before

honestly for my first UN run, chapter 14 is pretty good

game is so loonnggggg

[polar drum]

it is pretty long

compared to eternal

I haven't done Eternal on UN either, recently did TAG 1 and 2 before starting TDA

Haven't touched a game in a while haha

[merry pumice]

Komodo has become a BFC on sight for me.

at least on UN

[clever mortar]

I placed an order on the dark ages helmet replica and I haven't even got it confirmed yet and it's been 8 days. Should I be concerned

[polar drum]

Was it in stock when you purchased it or was it pre-order?

[fluid rock]

I can't send the link here but do a google search for DTZxPorter, they have a website where you can download it in the Tools tab

[clever mortar]

Pre order but it was estimated to arrive ither the 26th or the 29th

[polar drum]

You didn't get any details regarding tracking?

[clever mortar]

ORDERS PLACED AFTER MAY 20th, 2025 WILL SHIP IN THE MONTH OF AUGUST 2025. Oh could this be why?

[polar drum]

Yeah, there you go

I had bought mine off ebay

[clever mortar]

I got the order number that's about it

[polar drum]

was a little bit more expensive, i wasn't aware they were going to restock

at the time

I also gave in and bought the GPU, even though i don't need it. I guess it's more of a collectible for me

I am already using a 4090 lol

[clever mortar]

It's just weird why would it say the estimated delivery date is ither the 26th or the 29th

[polar drum]

Maybe it's just a thing with their website

Where it pre-determines an ETA

[clever mortar]

So I'll have to wait till August

[polar drum]

going by the typical delivery ETA

[clever mortar]

Damn

Thats so dumb that it dosent ship until all shipments are ready

[polar drum]

Yeah... that they're trying to allocate everyone's orders first

[clever mortar]

I feel bad cuz I think I sent a few things to customer support without reading that lmao

[polar drum]

I mean in all fairness customer support should've made you aware of it too.

[clever mortar]

But August is like 2 months away auuufhhhhhh

[polar drum]

i still have my Doom eternal collectors helmet too. I'm surprised how much the collectors has gone up in price

[clever mortar]

I wasn't into doom at that time

But yeah I gotta wait to August big sad

[dense basin]

New update today. Anyone know what changed?

[polar drum]

Nope

Can't find any updates on it anywhere

Anything on the forums?

[dense basin]

Don't see anything

[primal cave]

is there a way to pirate it

[graceful lion]

we cant say

[primal cave]

oh.

[clever mortar]

Boo pirates

[primal cave]

please do not say that ever again

im begging

[clever mortar]

Ok I won't sorry

But yeah we can't say if there is

[hasty stone]

the patch was probably just some back-end shit

maybe they will do some more tuneables this week

hugo is on vacation so i dont expect much until he's back

[frail bloom]

Bc if they put what you wanted, it would ruin the entire timeline and whatever cohesion left in dooms story. In my eye, they are setting things up between games, taking time to flesh out stuff like the wraiths and sentinels, then we move on to the cool stuff

If I am to take Hugo seriously, more doom games/medieval prequels means the better chance to experience the entirety of the codex

[covert goblet]

How would a doom game follow up to this, though?
Eternal was kinda the end of hell's conquest to destroy worlds, and the dark ages was just a prequel to show Argent D'nur and how the slayer eventually got trapped in the sarcophagus in 2016.

[frail bloom]

The death of valens son, hugo already said this abt the dlc lol
#screenshots message

For dlc

For the next game, I assume the betrayal, maybe civil war?

Maybe we see the discovery of nekravol in dlc

[covert goblet]

I know about DLC.
I mean GAME.

[frail bloom]

I would assume civil war

And it would end on the deag betrayal

A game after that, would be the slayers testaments

Then Doom would likely be put to rest

[patent robin]

any place to bug report

my game just softlocked from a bug w the komodo champion lmao

[covert goblet]

On a separate note, I don't understand why people whine that "movement and weapons are a step down from eternal."

The dark ages is a prequel to 2016, not a sequel to Eternal. There's stuff that the doom slayer won't have for a long while. (Not to mention quite a number of other things.)

[frail bloom]

They don't really understand the movement you can do in tda

Or comboes you can preform

[covert goblet]

I LOVE The combos, honestly.
Sure, they're not glory kills, but they're satisfying in their own way, and take a little more skill to preform.

[orchid gust]

did you guys know on harbor of souls you can have essentially infinite bfc for the first portion of the map?

i saw draqu do it, you can rocket jump to the ledge you're supposed to climb and pull the lever without triggering the interaction

[delicate grotto]

Slayer Testaments expand across centuries of history. There’s plenty more room for 2016 prequel games.

I’d argue there’s room for a game between 2016 and Eternal too but I don’t think that’s going to happen.

[vital rapids]

And really GK form part of combos, as and when you feel it would fit in the flow of combat. Better for me tbh. Even with only a few of them they don't get tedious because of that

[covert goblet]

There is supposed to be a time gap between 2016 and eternal. (Idk remember what is was. 10 years? 12?)

[vital rapids]

And wrapping up a mixture of throw/charge/shoot/melee with a glory strike is Schweet

[covert goblet]

Definitely.

[rocky badger]

What happens to your save file once you beat Pandemonium or UN?

[orchid gust]

it saves and says "COMPLETED!"

[frail bloom]

When is Hugo back

[frank turtle]

ikr

[orchid gust]

when do we think the dlc is coming out?

[frank turtle]

I miss that guy

[frail bloom]

This week? PLEAAASSEE

[frail bloom]

Dw he misses us

[orchid gust]

it took only about 7 months for Doom Eternal's DLC and that was through covid, do you think we could get it sooner or later?

[rocky badger]

Can you replay the last mission? Or does it go straight to the ending? Or can you do nothing except view your completion %?

[orchid gust]

i have not tried, im in the middle of doing both a pandemonium and ultra nightmare 100% save, I could let you know once im done

[frail bloom]

Later? They ain't held back by a year pass, covid, or smaller staff but the dlc may require more outta them

[frank turtle]

maybe, but I'm guessing it's gonna take around the same time

[rocky badger]

Same. Good luck. I'm on level 16

[frail bloom]

I would assume summer of 2026

If it's announced in quakecon

[orchid gust]

you too man, im on harbor of souls rn

also you can totally cheat that level

[frail bloom]

2016 felt like it came out 4 years ago

[frank turtle]

i wonder how far the dlc is in development

[frail bloom]

Gosh

[rocky badger]

How so? I did it on NM today. Will do Pandemonium and UN tomorrow

[frail bloom]

They probably developed some things for dlc, as they do with every doom game

But they are most likely focusing on dlc and master levels

[orchid gust]

i meant for harbor of souls, you can rocket jump to the ledge and save the bezerk for after the blood fills and you basically get infinite bfc ammo for most of the level

[rocky badger]

I did all the non-cheesable weapon masteries already so that's a relief. Although I'm saving Shotgun and SSG for the last couple missions since those seem easiest with such little time

[orchid gust]

i posted a video on it in the videos tab if you wanna see how to do it

[vital rapids]

The level of post-release support they gave Eternal is a bit of a millstone about their necks, I think. The expectations people have because of it.

[frank turtle]

dont worry guys, I'll work at id for free so we can get the dlc and master levels out faster

[vital rapids]

Going to be a tough act to follow

[orchid gust]

honestly im fine if they take their time

make it good

[frail bloom]

What do you expect them to add in the next 3 years

[orchid gust]

i REALLY want to see the betrayal of the sentinels

[frank turtle]

yeah I mean honestly, I don't mind waiting if I'm expecting it to be quality stuff

[frail bloom]

Eternal got a bunch of stuff

[vital rapids]

Same. I expect to be done playing DTDA for a while before it comes out tbh

[orchid gust]

or the whole story of the makers using argent energy and doom slayer having to fight his own people

[frail bloom]

The discovery of nekravol, or valen's betrayel

[orchid gust]

YES

[frail bloom]

Dude those events are 4 years apart

[vital rapids]

Personally, I don't have massive expectations. Just an ever growing wish list

[frail bloom]

I'd assume the nekravol discovery

[orchid gust]

2 dlc's no problem

[frail bloom]

I expect dlc(duh) and master levels(most likely)

[orchid gust]

lmao i won't lie, the story is good, but it's not the story I wanted at all

[frail bloom]

Lol

I also would expect the sekiro parry mode thing

So like a new mode, master levels and dlc

[orchid gust]

i think it would be great if we got a second game with the other story though

[vital rapids]

Classic doom callback bonus levels. Roguelite horde mode. Arena shooter mode with sentinel soldiers vs demons, and one person on each team gets to be the Slayer/Superheavy each round

[frail bloom]

If we're lucky people, a horde mode

[vital rapids]

Silly stuff

[frail bloom]

I ain't expecting like most of that lol

[orchid gust]

we should get a For Honor style pvp lmao

i wonder if that's moddable

probably not

[vital rapids]

Nah, just wishlist. Would be mad to expect such things

I wonder which superheavy would make a good playable to take on the Slayer with broadly equivalent gameplay. Maybe Agaddon

[frail bloom]

And Komodo

[frank turtle]

yeah I think aggadon would work

[frail bloom]

Very elusive

[frank turtle]

yup

[frail bloom]

Battle knight too

[frank turtle]

cosmic baron?

[frail bloom]

He isn't a superheavy tho(battle knight)

[vital rapids]

Yeah that could work, too. Lots of movement skills.
I think Ag shield could work as a parry

[frank turtle]

the komodo has grown on me, it's a pretty cool super heavy tbh

[frail bloom]

He was always cool to me

Skullcrusher demon

The komodo should've been black imo

[frank turtle]

cacodemons in this game are really sick but god they're probably the deadliest version of the Cacodemon yet

[frank turtle]

that'd be interesting

[frail bloom]

It would be

[vital rapids]

Maybe the whiplash, because I haven't seen the stats but I bet they have taken more than their fair share of player HP

"Punching above their weight".

[frail bloom]

Whiplashes are jokes in eternal

[vital rapids]

I hate em

[frail bloom]

They falter while slithering

In tda, it's impossible

[vital rapids]

I have been conditioned by their ganking, I focus them pretty much first whatever else is around

[slow zodiac]

reaver shot is good against whiplashes, I think it deals full damage to them even when they're slithering

in comparison, it feels like impaler doesn't deal any damage to them at all when they're slithering

[vital rapids]

Excellent enemy tbh considering how squishy they are

[frail bloom]

Ye and with revenants, oh my

Buffed

[vital rapids]

Or Nightmare Imps

[rocky badger]

I assumed they were Invincible whilst slithering

[vital rapids]

mutters bad swearwords about Nightmare Imps

Both punish mistakes I suppose, which is good

[slow zodiac]

I have only 2 problems with whiplashes: first is if you throw your shield at them immediately after they stop slithering they can still attack you for some reason; and second is that you can't shield charge at them when they attack you

both feel unintentional

[slow zodiac]

nah, reaver shot works great against that

[vital rapids]

Yeah, I've had some funny moments against whiplashes. Although if I'm completely honest it's that long range attack that gets me, which is totes intentional so I can't complain

[slow zodiac]

yeah their crosses have some huge hitboxes

but thankfully they don't fire them if you're close enough

unlike the freaking baron who can shoot out his disks right in your face (killed my UN run btw)

[fathom remnant]

New game plus might be awesome for doom especially on a game like this. Like I would take it with master levels and dlc levels

[slow zodiac]

man I hope they'll buff the shotgun's armor drops, it feels really useless to farm zombies for half a minute only to get some random fireball in your face that undoes all that work

[rocky badger]

I'd take a NG+ or master levels but I don't want any more mission challenges or weapon masteries.

These are making UN 100% run way harder than it needs to be. Let me play how I want to play

[frail bloom]

Using it with flail and the ground rune does wonders

I wouldn't be against it tho

[slow zodiac]

yeah but I don't wanna waste all my damage potential just to get some armor

you can get all your health back easily with ravager and rocket launcher, yet the shotgun barely does anything for armor

Also I don't get the blast upgrade for the shotgun at all. I don't understand where it even could be useful

[frail bloom]

The explosive? Ye it's useless

Use triple burst

[slow zodiac]

if it were up to me, I'd just remove the blast upgrade from the shotgun and replaced it with the flare up upgrade from the third tier, and then add a new upgrade for the 3rd tier that would raise the rate of fire to like 1.5x or smth

[frail bloom]

The explosive doesn't even falter heavies

HUGO TAKE NOTES

[slow zodiac]

explosive often doesn't even burn enemies, it feels like it simply doesn't work sometimes

[frank turtle]

yeah its completely pointless

[slow zodiac]

yeah triple burst is fine if you use shotgun as your main weapon, but if you use it just for armor it's still not quite enough imo

[neon moss]

I'm in the middle of my first playthrough, and have already played with both plasma weapons and the Impaler - what's the next weapon I should have fun with? What's your favorite? (running flail/fissure if it matters).

[slow zodiac]

I had a blast (no pun intended) playing with the ssg on my first playthrough, also rocket laucher is pretty fun

[cinder estuary]

Okay I retract my statement, the revenant gorenest isnt the hardest encounter

There is one thing harder

The Whiplash + Leader Pinkie room on sentinel command station

There is no optimal weapon for it

[neon moss]

ok, ricochet is a fun talent.

[fathom remnant]

Pulverizer is fun
Cylcers arc effects are awesome to play with
Accelerator is great for big demons and fun to use on supercharge which is the last upgrade
Shredder is my fav over impaler
I have just beat the campaign and gonna eventually do another playthrough with the full arsenal maybe a new save just to go through all the secrets which was fun to do and the encounters again.

Dlc levels can't be released soon enough for me lol this game is goated amongst other dooms imo

[harsh egret]

i used the accelerator against azhrak yesterday, was fun

[neon moss]

I might hav eto play more with Cycler. I got the mastery quest done and stopped. Accelerator seems unfair to enemies with its strong ST damage and the AOE explosion basically on demand. Is there anything it can't do?

[fathom remnant]

Which fight?

[harsh egret]

the first one

[frank turtle]

the sound of the rocket launcher 👌

[fathom remnant]

I used rocket launcher more and more towards the end

[fathom remnant]

It is unfair but super fun to mop the floor with the smaller demons and still firing at big ones essentially just blast everything but cylcer is really fun all around and is less op but still powerful

[cinder estuary]

Guys

I found a way to skip the minigun on the atlan sections

[harsh egret]

mayo tweeted about it also i think

[cinder estuary]

I don't know if you can do it on the final atlan mission tho

[harsh egret]

idk what it implies tho

[fathom remnant]

Yeah but I don't mind the mini gun sections though

[cinder estuary]

The minigun is slower than the royal atlan

[fathom remnant]

You see this time you get the predator moment but actually hit something with it lol

[harsh egret]

no ik i meant idk how u do it

not that i care necessarily cuz i wont wanna use it either way but

[cinder estuary]

Dash as soon as you quit thee cutscene

[harsh egret]

ah

[cinder estuary]

You prob need to spam it

And you need to run as soon as you do the dash too

And you can stop punching (I think)

[frank turtle]

hey, I've been using the rocket launcher on super heavy enemies and I gotta say its really damn good, the only one I probably won't use it on is the komodo

@cinder estuary do you know how much damage a cooked rocket does compared to a normal rocket?

[cinder estuary]

It is the single strongest projectile you can shoot

It takes half the HP of a cyberdemon

[frank turtle]

that's insane

fuck. about to come across that ruby encounter on spire on un, hopefully this doesn't kill my run

Just gonna spam rocket and parry

[cinder estuary]

Go for blood pact rocket launcher

Focus the agaddon hunter

[maiden onyx]

what is a cooked rocket?

[frank turtle]

it's a rocket laucher upgrade, basically if you parry a hell surge projectile, it will buff the next rocket you shoot

[fathom remnant]

That's the one upgrade I bought thinking how I was going to use it on cyberdemons and I don't think I ever used the mechanic lol

[maiden onyx]

damn, that wipes half a cd???

[fathom remnant]

Chain shot worked for me early on with cyberdemons though and still I do use it

[maiden onyx]

i thought it'd be a marginal buff but damn

i know where my next wraithstone is going

[frank turtle]

Great tip, appreciate it 🫡

[fathom remnant]

Arachnotrons if anyone hasn't figured out you just shield charge and then a SSG clast right after does em in. Even the armored ones as soon as you break the armor one SSG point blank will do it

[frank turtle]

I usually go for impaler or rocket launcher for cybers

[frank turtle]

yeah thankfully they're kinda weak in health cause they can do devastating damage if you don't take em out early

[maiden onyx]

my peeve with them is the open areas where they're too far to shield bash 😩 gotta run straight through those projectiles

tbh that's probably a skill issue on my part

[fathom remnant]

I get that but that's when they put some things there to help you get close for the kill. Also shield stuns work on em granted their not armored up.

[maiden onyx]

i do find those arachnotrons and mancubi on the pillars quite funny, they position some of them right next to some explosive barrels and bam

[full barn]

pandemonium sucks ass bro

[frank turtle]

why say that 💔

[fathom remnant]

Next time you see a cyber try the chain shot loop

[full barn]

its literally just ultra nightmare but more frustrating

like wow i get to restart the entire level wonderful

[delicate grotto]

It somehow feels worse to die and restart the same level rather than the entire campaign lmao

[full barn]

thats what im saying

also holy hell it might be because i played them a lot but the early missions suck ass imma keep it real

[delicate grotto]

They do. First 4 suck on replay

[full barn]

if i have to play any of the first 5 missions again imma lose it

ive already replayed mission 4 like 6 times now maybe

[frank turtle]

omfg fr tho

I was considering just skipping pandemonium cause it was really damn annoying playing a level over and over

[hollow sandal]

Yea bro, I don't see the reason they made a death punish you like that.

You already are gonna lose the file if you run out of sigils

[full barn]

once on my un save then another on my other un save with cheats but i had to play it twice cuz i got interrupted and then after i was done with un* i started pandemonium and now i gotta replay it again

[full barn]

just play un at this point 💔

[hollow sandal]

For real

[full barn]

even extra life mode was more enjoyable

[full barn]

to make matters worse i died on the big fight at the end of aratum on pandemonium

first 5 missions make me go insane

like legit the past 10 hours of playtime in this game have all been on the first 5 missions bro im losing my mind

[frank turtle]

honestly the game is enjoyable for me after chapter 4

sentinel barracks just kills un runs

[full barn]

nah i did barracks first try like thrice ina row

[frank turtle]

I'd always struggle with abyssal forest too

[full barn]

i think im just gonna chill on my 100% save and just have fun before picking up my pandemonium run

[frank turtle]

yeah don't let it burn you out

[full barn]

definitely

also damn i had no idea i have 40 hours on this game

[frank turtle]

I have 170 💔

it's all I play rn deadass

[orchid gust]

i have 3 levels left in my 100% ultra nightmare run

and i still have to get the pulverizer, cycler and grenade launcher leveled

i hate the pulverizer so muich

[frank turtle]

yeah I'm not a fan of it lol

[orchid gust]

i really like the speed boost but the damage and range is just so limited

it's not ever worth it to use

it's useless for clearing fodder since the shield does it better and from longer range

it's safer to use the shield

[frank turtle]

cooked rockets are so good holy

[orchid gust]

ngl i know they're good but i don't like the rocket launcher either

harder to aim since you can't get airborne often, lots of projectiles from enemies that block your shots and it's very easy to self damage yourself if you haven't paried something, so a lot of the time you juyst gotta wait until you get a parry

but when it does all align it does do some serious damage

i just need to learn the quick swap trick so i can swap to it then swap to something else

[cinder estuary]

You don't need to aim with the rocket launcher

Especially with blood pact

The projectile hitbox is also THICK

The pulverizer has the highest DPS in the game before you upgrade anything with the wraithstone

[orchid gust]

Neither of those statements are true I’m afraid

[cinder estuary]

Both are true lmao

The pulverizer does higher dps than any weapon up to around the forge level

The rocket launcher doesn't need to hit anything directly to be effective

[orchid gust]

Ok so first, since you are grounded, you can’t really aim at the ground. If you aim at the ground, you aim at your feet. If you haven’t parried something, that’s a bad idea

[quiet needle]

Pulveriser is not used well,thats why,this thing is a monster xhen full charge

[cinder estuary]

Just parry and you can aim on the ground

[orchid gust]

Second, you get the impaler right after the pulverizer, which has higher dps out the gate

[orchid gust]

My point is you have to wait for a parry, and you only have a small window

[cinder estuary]

The impaler only has higher dps once you get the wraithstone

[orchid gust]

It’s not consistent

[orchid gust]

That’s not true, it has higher dps default

And it’s at its most powerful before the wraithstone

[cinder estuary]

Go to barracks vagary

[orchid gust]

All wraithstone does is recharge your melee

[cinder estuary]

And see what does more danage

[frank turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/rizzler-the-rizzler-christian-turn-rizzler-turn-gif-3468410536510015644

jkjk

[orchid gust]

No, I don’t have to, you gotta read the upgrades

[cinder estuary]

I do, and I test the weapons

The only way the impaler has higher dps is if you get only headshots

[orchid gust]

Your testing is flawed, the wraithstone for the impaler is recharging your melee

[quiet needle]

Pulveriser is for cqc

[cinder estuary]

The pulverizer has higher dps

[orchid gust]

Yes exactly? When are you not hitting headshots?

And you only need 3 rubies which you get really quick

[cinder estuary]

When you miss a headshot?

[fathom remnant]

Is the cosmic realm separate from the whole universe or can we say davoth created that also? Bc if it's separate we just killed their god twice in the game although he was hell's warrior the second time

[orchid gust]

And if you layer in shield toss you do more damage

And you can do it from further range

So it’s higher dps, it’s safer, and more consistent

And it becomes basically full power after 2 upgrades

Which you get in the same level

[cinder estuary]

The impaler only had higher dps against things you can IK. If you need more than one hit to kill something, there is another weapon that iss faster

[orchid gust]

So there is no point to use the pulverizer all but 2 times in the entire run

[cinder estuary]

Pincushion
Accelerator
Grenade launcher
Pulverizer

[full barn]

dont diss ANY of those except for the pulverizer idgaf about it

[cinder estuary]

The impaler is good at sustained damage, but it does not have the highest dps

[orchid gust]

I’d say davoth made that too

[full barn]

also holy shit flail armor gain is ass whats the point of this thing

[quiet needle]

I main pulveriser,it depend your playstyle,it shreds on nightmare ,even with sliders

[orchid gust]

It does at range and with 1 upgrade, which you get right after getting it

[cinder estuary]

It doesn't bro

[orchid gust]

Not to mention you can shoot over projectiles that block your shots

[cinder estuary]

It's not even the third highest dps

[full barn]

like genuinely its whole schtick is armor and it sucks at that

why is everybody defending the gauntlets but not the real stinker (flail)

[quiet needle]

Gauntlets better than flail

[full barn]

i tried the flail andd i was disappointed

[wheat sigil]

restacking doe...

[orchid gust]

There’s a video on YouTube discussing which guns are best, I highly recommend you watch it. I don’t think I can post it here, maybe in videos

But the pulverizer is the worst performing weapon across the board

[quiet needle]

Lol

[cinder estuary]

That video is not good because it only takes one specific arena and one specific enemy into consideration

[quiet needle]

It depend your playstyle,every weapons are strongs maxed,i main pulveriser on highests difficulty setups and its the most easiest way for me

[cinder estuary]

It's like testing dps but using a leader mancubus as the subject, weapons like the ssg willl have an inherent advantage because of the armor break

[cinder estuary]

Yes, the impaler is reliable, but it's not a super high dps weapon

[orchid gust]

It gets a very general baseline, but it’s reflected in most of the rest of the game as well

[cinder estuary]

It doesn't

How do you test a cooked rocket against a komodo

[orchid gust]

You test it in the rest of the arena

Which it performed extremely well in which is why it was a top performer

[cinder estuary]

No, the cooked rocket didn't. The blood pact did

[full barn]

is flail ass or am i using it wrong

[quiet needle]

Its ass

[cinder estuary]

The cooked rocket has the highest burst damage out of any weapons on 1v1s

[orchid gust]

It was still higher performing than most weapons

And yes I agree it could have been much better

[cinder estuary]

It wasn't, the blood pact rocket was

[orchid gust]

But again it’s a good baseline

[frail bloom]

@remote thunder I'm trying to quick switch but I'm having a lot of trouble, may you show me the vid where you dk that quickswap tech. There's a lot of buffering

[orchid gust]

And there’s no way you can argue the pulverizer is better than any weapon in the game maybe other than the cycler

[cinder estuary]

The video is only good as a very general idea, but doesn't take anything else into consideration besides one komodo fight and one arena, so it is not good to decide the effectiveness of a weapon

[real lynx]

The pulverizer is definitely the worst weapon

[full barn]

makes sense, it gives so little armor

[wheat sigil]

#the-dark-ages message
you either shield bash to get fast state, or hold block and melee

[cinder estuary]

The impaler is good not because of the dps, but because it's reliable and doesn't require you to gather ammo with melees, and that also makes the dreadmace also pop up on impaler builds

[frail bloom]

I'm doing the latter and it feels unreliable

[orchid gust]

I know, @cinder estuary is convinced it’s the highest dps

[frail bloom]

Sometimes it works, most times it doesn't

[orchid gust]

Which is just faulty testing I’m sorry to break it to you

[cinder estuary]

You are missing another thing

It is the highest DPS for the early game

[real lynx]

Smoking something crazy. Maybe theoretically if you land every pellet but in practice no. The accelerator does better

[cinder estuary]

Only if you are really bad

[real lynx]

No its just not that good

[orchid gust]

Nope, this is not even true

[cinder estuary]

Go test it then

I tested it, it has way faster clears than most weapons

[orchid gust]

I would but it’s very silly to test

Because practically it’s a bad weapon too

You have to be close range, it kills very slowly, it is useless without upgrades and dangerous to use

[onyx pond]

Im only on chapter 4 in stuck on the boss I suck at the game

[real lynx]

Accelerator my beloved

[cinder estuary]

Against anything that the impaler doesn't one shot, the pulverizer is better up until you get to the forge

[wheat sigil]

shield throw does not exist

[orchid gust]

You get a forge right after you get the impaler lol

[cinder estuary]

No????? You get impaler on chapter 4, you get to the forge on chapter 8

[orchid gust]

And in the 1 arena you play before you get to a forge, you 1 shot every demon with a headshot

[full barn]

flail and pulverizer buff next patch please id 🙏

[orchid gust]

No bro, you get a forge right after the arena you get the impaler in

Play again

[cinder estuary]

You are actually just trolling LMAO

[orchid gust]

In chapter 4 there are 2 forges

[full barn]

no hes right you get your first rune on mission 8

[quiet needle]

I dont understand,most ppl say pulveriser is the worst, insane speed boost,it shred health bar of bosses,similar to accelerator with max dps,you dont have to aim,and on higher difficulty you can strafe everything,taking distance from big boys and find armor and health safely

[cinder estuary]

You get the impaler on the barracks then it's holy city, then it's siege, then it's siege 2, then it's Forrest, then its forge

[full barn]

you mean shrines?

[orchid gust]

Oh yes I meant shrine

[cinder estuary]

You actually don't know wtf you are talking about

[orchid gust]

Sorry forgot the name

[full barn]

🤦‍♂️

[cinder estuary]

The impaler is not the highest DPS weapon, but it's the most reliable

The highest DPS is the accelerator

Then it's the shredder pincushion

Then it's the ravager

The impaler only has higher dps if you consider the dreadmace

[quiet needle]

Impaler + dreadmace , pulv + gauntlets are op

[cinder estuary]

And even then, if you consider other things

Cycler + dagger has the highest DPS in the game

And also the highest burst

Get one parry and anything instantly dies

[cinder estuary]

Pulverizer + gaunglet shock is crazy

[quiet needle]

Nightmare is easy with this combo

Add daggers

[frail bloom]

@wheat sigil I'M DOING IT

[quiet needle]

And 1 shot most bosses

[frank turtle]

@cinder estuary rocket w cooked makes cosmic baron easy

[frail bloom]

Hold on imma practice

[cinder estuary]

UN most important weapons are the Impaler, the Pulverizer, the Rocket Launcher and the Dreadmace

Also the flail

The pulverizer solos the entirety of barracks

And also holy city and siege

[frank turtle]

I agree with everything except the pulverizer, sorry man 😭

I don't see the vision

[cinder estuary]

Try and do barracks without pulverizer

[orchid gust]

Hard disagree, impaler and flail or dread mace is all you need

[cinder estuary]

It's 10x harder

[quiet needle]

I did many clips of this combo

[orchid gust]

I get the pulverizer if you combo with shock but it’s still just inconsistent

[quiet needle]

With pulv and gauntlets

[frank turtle]

I usually do, what is so good about the pulverizer for early game?

[cinder estuary]

It's the highest DPS you can get on the early game

[orchid gust]

That would be really easy actually

[cinder estuary]

It also is safe because of the haste

[cinder estuary]

UN

[frank turtle]

I usually go impaler and combat shotgun/accelerator for early game

[orchid gust]

UN 150%

[frank turtle]

I can see pulverizer being useful on something like siege pt 1

[cinder estuary]

It falls off on the forge

Before that it's great

[frank turtle]

but I'd rather put my early game money into something else

[orchid gust]

I’m doing an ultra nightmare run right now, back when I did barracks I used it for the first encounter when you first get it, and that was it

And honestly you just need shield toss and shield bash

[cinder estuary]

Well yeah you should max out the shield first

[orchid gust]

They are way better and more consistent than the pulverizer

[cinder estuary]

Only if you have no idea how to use the pulveriEr

[frank turtle]

I will say, the ruby upgrade for the pulverizer makes it alot better

[orchid gust]

Lmfao this is silly

[quiet needle]

https://youtu.be/rZG0mX69oUo?si=Q8nWMvaaBQNwS-2E

[frank turtle]

you can keep the charge for a good while

[orchid gust]

The pulverizer has the lowest skill ceiling in the game

[cinder estuary]

You used a video to validate your own argument, when the video has a flod method for anything besides very general ideas of weapons

[frank turtle]

what chapter would yall consider to be the start of "late game"

[cinder estuary]

Yes, it's not hard to use, yet you can't seem to understand how to use it

[frank turtle]

18?

[quiet needle]

I didnt want to make pub, but i had to share it,im sad of seeing so much hate about the pulveriser my beloved

[cinder estuary]

And you don't even understand the argument

[orchid gust]

Resorting to personal attacks to get your flawed point across

[cinder estuary]

The impaler is a better weapon, but it doesn't have a higher dps

[frank turtle]

u were talking to me?

[cinder estuary]

Mb, wrong reply

[frank turtle]

all good lol

[frank turtle]

giving this a watch

[orchid gust]

If this is the conclusion you came to, you don’t know how to use the impaler

[cinder estuary]

You are literally saying that, on chapter 4 where you can't even get the shield past the second level, that the pulverizer is worse at even the room you get it

[cinder estuary]

Question, what is the highest DPS setup in the game

[orchid gust]

I don’t have time to argue with this silly take right now, if you add me I can take you to a private call and demonstrate everything I’m talking about to you personally later tonight or tomorrow morning

[cinder estuary]

You don't know what you are talking about

[quiet needle]

All setups are goods,depending of "playstyle", there are no bad weapons in this game

[cinder estuary]

Yes

[orchid gust]

I know what I’m talking about far more than you do judging by your arguments

[frank turtle]

damn you were cooking ngl, 120 speed looks really fun

[cinder estuary]

Sure man, the impaler has higher dps than the pulverizer on early game, especially on barracks

[orchid gust]

And the way you argue trying to throw personal attacks instead of any legitimate evidence

[frank turtle]

I think grenade is probably the "least" useful

[orchid gust]

There you got it

[cinder estuary]

Maybe that's why speed runners use the Pulverizer to melt the vagary, it's because they want to lower their time

[frail bloom]

Oooohhhh

[quiet needle]

Yeah its really fun and strong

[frail bloom]

Quickswitching kinda limits my movement

I'll try impaler and rocket launcher

[orchid gust]

They don’t, they use the accelerator lol

[frail bloom]

When I get there lol

[orchid gust]

An the impaler

Idk where you’re getting these points from

https://youtu.be/2gXh39-zKmY?si=Lx3Li2HmMbTeRFzv 28:36

[quiet needle]

I think grenades are to spam from distance,but we have the rocket launcher then

[orchid gust]

It’s used as a last resort when out of ammo in the accelerator

Because it’s more accurate and higher dps

I’m fact, the only time it’s used in the entire speedrun is for the speed boost or for the mission completion

[cinder estuary]

Yes, because the impaler is not good at that. Also, check his latest runs, on twitch

He uses the pulverizer more. Actually not even on the run you showed he uses the accelerator more, the largest part of the dps is the pulverizer + impaler

The impaler's strength is not it's dps but sustained damage and not needing to worry about ammo

It's not the highest DPS weapon in the game at any point before you get the dreadmace

[frank turtle]

it sucks that a skull ammo boost is locked behind that forsaken planes gore nest

[cinder estuary]

To be fair they don't spit out as much ammo as something like the accelerator

But yeah skull ammo should be given earlier

[quiet needle]

Yeah 100%

[wheat sigil]

lesgoo💯

[orchid gust]

Yes when the vagary is on the floor not able to fight

[idle sleet]

I was listening to a Hugo video randomly ast night, where he was talking about plot holes in Eternal.

He mentioned Makyrs go through transfiguration and become Cthulu like creatures.

My guess is that the Old One is some old skool Makyr. Probably one of the original Khan Maykrs.

https://youtu.be/WRm1jxpyVr0?t=160

[orchid gust]

So again, it’s impractical too

It only competes for a couple of encounters in the early game, and other weapons can produce very similar results

[cinder estuary]

......... Yes, that's the point. If any of the other weapons had higher dps, why use the pulverizer

Like holy crap, don't believe your lying eyes, the accelerator was out for exactly 8 seconds

[orchid gust]

So your point is that in a vacuum, when no one else is shooting you and you can be as close to the enemy as you want, the pulverizer is better only in the early game*?

Because this happens not even 0.001% of the total game time

[frank turtle]

also, you don't get a rocket ammo boost until you get the bfc

[wheat sigil]

enemies shooting at you isn't that big of an issue

[cinder estuary]

My whole argument, if you spent more than 3 seconds thinking, is that the pulverizer has higher dps on the early game but falls off later.

[orchid gust]

Again the argument is silly

[frank turtle]

damn that's cool if that's true

[frank turtle]

I hope we get videos like this about the tda story

[orchid gust]

And my point is this applies in maybe 2 encounters throughout the entire game, and even then, other weapons work just fine

Maybe 2 seconds slower per encounter

4 seconds total off of a run

But if that’s significant to you, sure thing

[cinder estuary]

The whole point is the faster clears, so yes, 1 second is the argument

[idle sleet]

Yeah, very cool. Makes me wonder who the 3 cthulu monsters locking you down in the energy field are before you rip out the tether

[cinder estuary]

You can say it's insignificant but it doesn't detract from the argument, no matter how hard you try

[orchid gust]

It does, because overall it is by far the lowest performing weapon in the entire game

And you said that statement wasn’t true

[cinder estuary]

Because the video says so, I guess?

[orchid gust]

No the video was one reference I made

Because any experience or study of high level speedrun says so

[cinder estuary]

The other reference was someone using the pulverizer to get higher dps

[orchid gust]

Yes, it happened 1 time when a vagary was stunned

And 1 time against armor in a flag leader fight

[cinder estuary]

Holy

[orchid gust]

Which the impaler is still good for

So again

It is the least used and worst performing weapon in the game

[cinder estuary]

Yes the impaler is good for, but it doesn't have higher dps

[orchid gust]

If you test an arena

Not just on a stunned vagary

You would clear it faster and do more damage with an impaler

Meaning the impaler would have better dps

Practically

On paper and in a vacuum never happens in the real world

[cinder estuary]

Do you know how to work with conceptuals? You are saying my argument isn't valid even tho you have seen people using the pulverizer to maximize the dps

Yes the target is not moving, but it does not make any sense whatsoever to say the pulverizer has lower dps when people use it to maximize dps

It's not even in a vaccum

[orchid gust]

Yes

[cinder estuary]

It's on a very common enemy

[orchid gust]

It does

[quiet needle]

Impaler better dps yeah..but only when u hit the head,and while you have a lot of chaos ( especially in highests difficulty ), its hard to headshot everything everytime while trying to control the crowd,and the rate of fire of impaler is not the fastest

[orchid gust]

Because if you test any arena in the game with the pulverizer vs any arena in the game with the impaler, the impaler will be quicker

[quiet needle]

Nope

[orchid gust]

Meaning, in practical terms, the impaler produced more dps than the impaler

[quiet needle]

Wrong lol

[orchid gust]

I find it harder not to headshot but that could be my fps experience

[cinder estuary]

Why did the speedrunner use an unupgraded pulverizer on the vagary, even after restocking ammo with 3 punches

Tell me the reason

[orchid gust]

Because he had it up already lol

[quiet needle]

I tested a lot the weapons,the impaler is strong yeah for sure,one of the bests imo,but for crowd when you have so many mobs,even with the shield it can be very tricky

[orchid gust]

Why waste time weapon swapping that’s silly

I’m going to the gym. If you can do UN 150% speed pulverizer only I’ll rethink my opinion

[cinder estuary]

Why did he have it up when he had 96 ammo for the accelerator

[wheat sigil]

not really a time waste though

[orchid gust]

I could definitely say I’d be able to do 150% speed UN with impaler only, but pulverizer would be crazy

[quiet needle]

And the ssg, you dont have to headshot,similar dmge,more dmge on armor

[orchid gust]

And that right there is my point

[cinder estuary]

He opened with the accelerator, shot 100 shots, swapped to the impaler, stunned the dude, then swapped to the pulverizer

Why

Most of the HP was removed by the pulverizer

[orchid gust]

And in 99.99% of the game, the impaler will produce more dps than the pulverizer ever could

[cinder estuary]

Explain to me why he chose the pulverizer

[cinder estuary]

Explain to me why he swapped to the pulverizer

[orchid gust]

I just explained this to you

He was knocked down and up his ass

He didn’t have to move or have any distance so he could get every shot on the vagary at point blank range

[quiet needle]

I did 500% dmge to slayer,50% dmge to demons on nightmare,pulveriser rocket launcher and ssg are the mosts easiests ive used,impaler was very tricky to use (controller)

[orchid gust]

Which happens next to never in the rest of the game. Don’t you see?

[cinder estuary]

So why choose the pulverizer

And not continue with the impaler

[orchid gust]

Also you can’t headshot an ass

Impaler with headshots is higher dps

[quiet needle]

Yeah but its inconsistent

[cinder estuary]

I never seen someone be so resistant to saying something has higher dps on the optimal conditions

[orchid gust]

And at least in my case on pc with previous high level fps skills, it’s very consistently higher dps with the impaler

Which should be achievable by any speed runner

[quiet needle]

Yeah fair

[cinder estuary]

The impaler has overall higher dps because of two things:

You don't need to get ammo for it

You don't need to get close

[orchid gust]

Exactly!

[cinder estuary]

But on optimal conditions, it's knowhere near the highest dps

[orchid gust]

Because getting close means death

And running out of ammo means death

[cinder estuary]

holy crap you have to be joking

[orchid gust]

Especially when you’re going quickly

[cinder estuary]

On optimal conditions, the impaler doesn't have higher dps

How hard is it to just say that

[orchid gust]

Because the optimal conditions you are talking about are not possible for 99.99% of the game

Being up a stunned vagary’s ass happens one time in the game

[quiet needle]

You can get close

[orchid gust]

I wouldn’t recommend it

[cinder estuary]

Ah yes

Getting close to an enemy is hard to do

[orchid gust]

If you can hit headshots it is faster, easier and safer

[cinder estuary]

But getting a headshot with every shot is not

[orchid gust]

It only has higher dps if every shot of the wide range is hitting the target

[quiet needle]

On max difficulty settings,,when u know mobs réactions its easier to be close aggressive

[orchid gust]

Which is only possible in select few occasions, and optimal in even less

[cinder estuary]

I don't care about the safety, my argument was never about safety

It's just dps

[quiet needle]

To much distance you dead

[wheat sigil]

why is that?

[orchid gust]

Well I started this conversation by saying “I have to level up the pulverizer in the last level of the game which sucks since it’s the worst weapon”

And you argued that point

And I explained to you why you are wrong

[cinder estuary]

I said, and I quote "yeah but it's higher dps on the early game"

[quiet needle]

We are not wrong,impaler is good,but pulveriser is good too,different playstyle,thats all

[cinder estuary]

Then you went on completely different tangent

[orchid gust]

But the impaler is still better early game

Even in the same level you’re saying the pulverizer is useful in

So I don’t understand how that makes any sense

And in the speedrun he levels it early so he can get the achievement done with

Because it’s one of the harder ones to do

[wheat sigil]

higher dps != utility

[orchid gust]

Because the gun sucks

It’s not higher dps

It’s higher potential dps

But throughout the course of an arena, a level, or a run, its lower

[cinder estuary]

Yes

I agree

But it doesn't have higher dps

My argument was never about which gun is better, just the the pulverizer has higher dps early game since you don't have the heavy hitters

[wheat sigil]

that's a really weird argument to make, since you could apply it to any weapon

what if you miss?

[quiet needle]

The thing is,mosts weapons are op maxed,it depend "wich" loadout you use with your weapon,that will make differents ways to play,it not make weapons are worsts than others

[wheat sigil]

you are arguing something only you are arguing here

arguing with the mirror at the wall type shi

[cinder estuary]

My whole argument is that the pulverizer has higher dps on optimal conditions, he is talking about something completely different

[orchid gust]

It’s much harder to miss impaler shots than pulverizer shots since the radius is so wide

[wheat sigil]

mirror, mirror at the wall...

[cinder estuary]

And?

That has nothing to do with the argument

[quiet needle]

Pulveriser mid to close distance,impaler mid range

[neon gust]

Oh hey guys what are you talking about

[cinder estuary]

Pulverizer having higher dps on optimal conditions than most weapons on the early game

[vapid lodge]

Animal crossing

[wheat sigil]

and even if you want to argue that what ロス is saying now doesn't correspond with how you interpreted it at the beginning, that's just semantics and completely irrelevant

[orchid gust]

You’re changing it, you said it’s better early. I said it’s not. You changed it to optimal situations since you realize it’s only higher dps in select few occasions. “Optimal” for the pulverizer happens in 1-2 times throughout the course of the game

[cinder estuary]

Yes, it has higher dps early

I said higher dps early, and that statement is still true

[orchid gust]

M1 I started the conversation and he argued it, how is that me changing the argument?

[neon gust]

depends what you consider to be early game weapons. i'm guessing anything before the SSG?

[cinder estuary]

Because you are talking about irrelevant things like aim and this and that, when I'm literally just talking about raw dps

[orchid gust]

No it isn’t. It’s higher dps up the ass of a vagary. Not in the arena with the mancubi, or any other arena in that level

[cinder estuary]

Yeah, around siege part 2 or the forrest is where I'd say the early game truly ends

[vapid lodge]

Did they just change the colors for the roles

[neon gust]

you can say that again, the forest ended my pandemonium run again

[wheat sigil]

you are falsely attributing claims to ロス
just for a hypothetical, let's say they expressed themself wrongfully at the beginning, they clearly didn't mean it, so you're still just arguing for the sake of arguing

[neon gust]

honestly idk I disagree with that

[orchid gust]

What?

[cinder estuary]

I said pulverizer has higher dps on the early game. That's it. I never said it's a better weapon, I never said it always is the optimal option.

The only two things I said are

It has higher dps on the early game

And that it has higher dps on optimal conditions (I added this later)

[wheat sigil]

ロス has now multiple times said that they meant that the pulverizer has higher dps under optimal conditions
CAAFFIEND's entire argument is a non-sequitur, as it's about the practical dps of the weapons

[neon gust]

yeah and I'm saying I disagree with that