the-dark-ages

[dusty forge]

Fr, hugo is high af lol, i also like the idea that he looks like davoth cuz he got his powers from the divinity machine which contained his essence

[hard thistle]

What you see of Argent D'Nur in Eternal is what the Khan wants to turn Earth into - a corrupt society that worships the Maykrs blindly, where a portion of the population is regularly culled by Hell to be churned into Essence while the rest is spared. This is why the Khan says "if you had let the Priest live, then the humans you fight to save would have survived!" - her goal isn't extinction, but subjugation.

I mean, it could be a part of Argent D'Nur that was absorbed and I personally think it was. But it has been separated from the planet. It's not a part of it anymore, it's Hell now.

[delicate stirrup]

I like how the Harbor of Souls is basically Purgatory.

[foggy breach]

Do you know which tablet or codex talks about the Icon of Sin being involved in the shattered city of Argent D'Nur (2016)?

[wild rose]

Bitch

[austere nacelle]

Guys I might have found something interesting

Doom 2016 suit is marked with D22

doom eternal is marked with D33

[hard thistle]

The Icon was unleashed on Argent D'Nur after the Betrayal. Doom 2016's Codex file, "The Wraiths III":

For his payment, the Betrayer's son was returned to him in our form, and the Icon of Sin was brought upon the heathens. His vengeance was swift and merciless, for the wages of treachery are suffering.
The Doom Eternal Lorebook also emphasizes:
Thus the hand of fate was dealt, and the Great Ones obliterated the blasphemous land of Argent D'Nur. They came in number, the giants of extermination; the Leviathan, the Gargaska, and the Supentor. At their head strode the Icon of Sin. He that supped the heart-blood of the Betrayer's Son, Champion of Champions, the Architect of Slaughter. He cast dread upon the heretics and the cowards fled before him as mewling whelps. In his presence they felt the betrayal of their own kind, and witnessed the delusion of their righteous nature exposed. And as the Father wept, the son feasted on the flesh of his kin.

[austere nacelle]

also eternal suit has the same I/O logistics markings as the 2016 one has

[dusty forge]

Post proof

[foggy breach]

Thanks, I needed the source for it

[austere nacelle]

how to post images here

i forgor again

[dusty forge]

#screenshots

[austere nacelle]

I uploaded it

[dusty forge]

Does that mean it's not the same suit??

[austere nacelle]

most likely

but I found something else as well

[dusty forge]

But it's the praetor suit made for the slayer

[dusty forge]

What??

[austere nacelle]

back

I uploaded something again in #screenshots

[dusty forge]

Is this on the arms??

[austere nacelle]

yes

but the markings are everywhere on his suit

[dusty forge]

I think the d22 and d33 are like the technology or ai or whatever in his suit

Like it's an upgraded version

Same suit with updates

[austere nacelle]

the 8623 thing is the same tho

which is interesting

[dusty forge]

Maybe the arms didn't change that's why

[austere nacelle]

I think it is because it was UAC property at some point

[austere nacelle]

the 8623 marking is all over the suit

BTW the TDA suit lacks all kinds of markings

which means it was probably never tampered with by some sort of UAC-like lab or whatever

I found something else as well on the 2016 suit

[dusty forge]

Maybe the UAC ran tests on it or something

[dusty forge]

Also it's not the same suit as the 16 or eternal in TDA

[austere nacelle]

I found something more interesting

It says "EXO Manufacture"

underneath it says "I/O Logistics"

[dusty forge]

There wasn't even a real reason to add these things

But they did it anyway

[austere nacelle]

It could be a clue though

[dusty forge]

Clue for what??

[austere nacelle]

origins

[dusty forge]

Wym??

[austere nacelle]

who made the suit

[dusty forge]

It was forged in hell or something i forgot

[austere nacelle]

yeah by the wretch

[dusty forge]

It's not the same as the one in TDA right??

[austere nacelle]

I have no clue

What i'm wondering is if the testament is refering to the 2016 suit or the TDA one

And in his terrible rancor between worlds and through time, the Hell Walker found the wretch who shall not be named, but in his heresy was loyal to his evil cause. The wretch adorned the Doom Slayer in a mighty armor, wrought in the forges of Hell, impenetrable and unyielding. With sword and shield of adamantine strength, the Doom Slayer set to banishing all that were left unbroken by his savagery to the void.

here's the 6th testament

I believe all that shall be clarified in the upcoming DLCs

[dusty forge]

I hope so

I just wanna know how slayer ended up in the dark ages

Like what happened after 64

[austere nacelle]

Well we do know how Doomguy ended up at the Night Sentinels

he was found severely injured just outside some castle walls in his OG armor

then he was trained and all

but idk if we will ever know how he got his TDA suit

[north spire]

i think the lost levels explains that

[hard thistle]

eternal explains what happened

[dark thunder]

Unchained predator best OST don’t @ me

[hard thistle]

@dark thunder

[dark thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-ashleigh-smiling-dog-happy-gif-13607269

[austere nacelle]

the flashbacks, no?

[hard thistle]

that and the codex

[austere nacelle]

right

[wild rose]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799305298044387361/1380799629301518446/Screenshot_2025-06-07-03-44-28-087_com.google.android.youtube.jpg?ex=6845315d&is=6843dfdd&hm=478fbd0cf466ff4bd8d370ef806fd1767e60fba2667b507e25f5ad507a6403fd&

What's wrong with people?

[ancient herald]

Different opinions. Who cares. I play what I like.

[wild rose]

It's just too discrepanct. The love time with TDA isn't even over

[honest vortex]

Is it true that the visuals for Dark Ages got significantly worse after the update?

[silent surge]

a lot of people in polls haven’t played TDA yet.

[honest vortex]

Horde Mode Gaming's polls has an audience with HUGE Eternal bias

Personally:

Dark Ages > 2016 > Eternal

[silent surge]

also a lot of them just haven’t played it yet

[silent surge]

now that’s a spicy hot take!!

i could feel it though if one likes TDA over eternal. 2016 is closer in ways

[honest vortex]

I'm not entirely sure if liking TDA over Eternal is a spicy take or not. The consensus seems a bit unclear atm.

Though you're probably right, as TDA seems to be getting a LOT of hate right now for some reason

[silent surge]

2016 over eternal would be

they’re just different games too. and time frame /world events at launch

not meant to be the same at all

[real lynx]

All three are masterpieces in their own way

[pulsar granite]

Doom server when someone has a different opinion

[real lynx]

2016 has a special place for me but I think they all have equal artistic value

[honest vortex]

Ya know. I'm not sure. I seen a 50/50 split depending on community and groups.

2016 seems much more popular than Eternal on Era, Faqs, Giant bomb, and Gaf for example.

And 2016 and Eternal seem equally loved on Facebook.

[thin zinc]

2016 feels extremely slow and toned down after dark ages and eternal. i hadnt played it in 7 years probably and played the first 10 levels this week. it's crazy how quiet and less hectic it is than the other 2 games

[real lynx]

Eternal has the most sophisticated and skillful gameplay, 2016 has the best atmosphere and art direction and TDA is probably the most satisfying to play

[thin zinc]

i would agree with this

[honest vortex]

Oh I just replayed it on Nightmare and it's still my second favorite behind Dark Ages.

VEGA Central Processing and Titan's Realm are still masterpieces.

[thin zinc]

i mean i think all 3 are amazing

i think i really do find dark ages most fun to play though. it just feels too good

[real lynx]

its just so chunky. The Huge hordes of enemies and the melee is super fun

2016 is fun till an imp instakills yoy

[honest vortex]

2016 in a weird way feels faster than Eternal to me due to 2016 having faster quick swapping.

Also the Holo swap tech is super fun and makes quick swapping RIDICULOUSLY fast .

Also Savagery rune (faster movement after glory kills) combined with Gauss jump holo swap cancel into Gauss jump Holo swap cancel makes you still able to have very fast movement.

[honest vortex]

The Lazarus waves the Summoners throw in 2016 are extremely bullshit and janky lmfao

[real lynx]

the difference is that swapping is much less necessary than in eternal

You can do just fine in 2016 spamming ssgz but yeah if you do swap in 2016 its fast

[toxic rock]

Hello, I'm new 🙂

[real lynx]

I never really got the hang of swapping

[toxic rock]

Someone could help me achieve the online trophies pls??

[honest vortex]

I think people exaggerate this.

Hugo Martin largely spams SSG+Ballista on his Nightmare streams and mostly does fine

But the incentive for me is how FUN it is.

2016 has faster quick swaps and has Holo Swap tech. Which is more fun to me, which is the incentive itself (atleast for me)

[honest vortex]

Also PB+Rocket very spammable ans very strong too

[honest vortex]

Also 2016 guns sound a lot better to me which adds even more satisfactory to the quick swap combos.

[real lynx]

Wish we had a mod in eternal that brings back the gauss cannon

[honest vortex]

Second half of Dark Ages might top 2016's aesthetically and atmospherically for me.

Dark Ages goes so crazy in the second half

First half of Dark Ages probably loses to 2016 aesthetically and atmospherically though.

But it's still great

[mental loom]

Does anyone know how to fix the atlan bug on Mission 21? Game crashed and it doesnt spawn in when i load mission. Also I tried to adjust the modifiers but i set them to default before loading the mission but now an M* is permanently attached to that save

[honest vortex]

There are. But it looks and sounds off

[foggy breach]

I hope we get to kill more Maykrs.

[fleet spruce]

It's on par imo

both games have those muted, less varied colors (especially in comparison to eternal) but TDA gets a bit more colourful later. Both are excellent.

[graceful lion]

he probably got it from the sentinels, as some sort of collab between them and the maykrs, but the suit had a leash, which novik seemingly agreed upon once the slayer got into the divinity machine

seemed to have the same suit on all the way up until he was divinified, aka the doom 93 suit or something, the green one

after that they probably talked with the maykrs and the maykrs told them some bullshit like "he is fucking dangerous we need to take control of him"

novik was like "u right u right'

[whole river]

ok so I'm getting extremely frustrated with this.
I literally upgraded my GPU to be able to run this, and now I'm getting "failed to initialize steam API", while running an OS that is supposedly a steam OS (bazzite)

[graceful lion]

i feel thats more of an issue on steam's side ig

[frank turtle]

hey,what's a good combo with the Impaler

[plain tartan]

Im so hyped for the release of Doom The Dark Ages

[delicate grotto]

Is someone gonna tell him

[split gate]

Bro using internet explorer

[pulsar granite]

💀

Bro played cyberpunk too much he missed the release

[delicate grotto]

Melee/Shield bash + shoot. Falters and easy set up for a headshot. Only works on weaker demons though.

I use the slowdown upgrade for this as well.

Chainshot also falters and makes it easy for a headshot.
Upgraded Cycler stuns.

[split gate]

Bro went into a coma after last year’s Xbox Showcase and woke up

[frank turtle]

so impaler + chainshot?

[delicate grotto]

(The game’s out)

[quaint kelp]

hey,my game shutdown for no reason, anyone have some ideas? gpu is 4060

[pulsar granite]

Probably the ass 8gb vram

[delicate grotto]

I guess? I mean, there’s not much emphasis on swapping since it’s slow as shit in this game but both guns work well with one another in my experience.

[frank turtle]

yeah true lol, I guess I'm just trying to figure out a good combination

[quaint kelp]

damn, my next gpu will be AMD

[frank turtle]

trying to beat pandemonium

[pulsar granite]

What res are you playing on

[quaint kelp]

1080

[pulsar granite]

Then weird

[quaint kelp]

Could it be a gpu's driver issue?

[pulsar granite]

What texture pool size have you set

[quaint kelp]

24xx

[frank turtle]

them removing the autosprint screen effect is deadass my favorite update change

[austere nacelle]

Funny thing is the 2016 suit also has a tether

[pulsar granite]

Yk what might actually be a driver issue

[austere nacelle]

just like the one in TDA

except its Dr. Hayden using it

[quaint kelp]

2048 my bad

[whole river]

other games launch without a hitch it is only this one that's having this issue

[quaint kelp]

fine, maybe i should lower the graphics

tks

[graceful lion]

well, it was given to him from a wretch, from hell, who may also be connected with the maykrs, but it might be some other purpose one, since we see it glow in eternal when the slayer picks up the dimensional locator after seeing king novik

[austere nacelle]

btw Dr hayden is actually a maykr

[graceful lion]

so it might be more of a proximity confirmation suit, which would make sense to why doors open for him

[graceful lion]

yes, i know

but it is said that the wretch was someone who betrayed hell, so its not an argent or sentinel, it might be a demon is what m0no theorized

[austere nacelle]

and thats funny because DG ripped off the tether in TDA and got it back again in 2016

[graceful lion]

the suit in tda and the suit in 2016 are different suits.

[austere nacelle]

ik but the point is he got the tether back anyways

[graceful lion]

yeh

but we dont know if thats a tether, it seems to be not made for the purpose of being a tether

[austere nacelle]

Both the Kreed Maykr and Dr hayden explicitly mention that its a tether

[graceful lion]

i just said that both suits are different

it seems that the 2016 suit is also a tether, but a different kind of tether per say, its like a long range radar for the slayer to go to and fro

[austere nacelle]

The purpose of the thether in 2016 (according to hayden) is for Dr Hayden to pull the Slayer back from hell

[graceful lion]

i see, that also makes sense, seems that with eternal and the slayer modifying the suit, he made it instead work as some sort of portal

[frank turtle]

TDA ❤️

[austere nacelle]

Here's the vid mentioning that https://youtu.be/PiQUjvhBZmw

It says "Tether Activation" on his HUD as well

[graceful lion]

i see

[frank turtle]

New pb on pandemonium, only chapter 10 though 😭 ❤️

[delicate grotto]

I’d still love to see what happens after Doom 2016. A game where we fight our way out of Hell and reclaim a Sentinel ship as our Hub?
Even the aforementioned comic that was originally planned to cover events between 2016 and Eternal would be great 🙏

[austere nacelle]

which is also the reason why Doomguy didnt pop out of the teleporter thingy to kick Hayden's ass after he steals the crucible from him at the ending

[graceful lion]

yeah ik

[graceful lion]

well, the sentinel ship seems like the slayer has been in it for a few years already

but the ship seems to also be, in space

so i wonder how it got there

[austere nacelle]

I honestly doubt that Doomguy really wanted to beat the shit out of hayden though

[delicate grotto]

True, but I’d like these questions to be answered at some point at least:
Where was he teleported to? Hell? Argent D’Nur? Earth?
Where and how did he get his ship?
How did he kill the first Guardian of the first Hell Priest?
Was he attempting to stop the Hell invasion beforehand? Or was it already set in motion by the time he arrived at Eternal’s Earth?

[austere nacelle]

Dr Hayden is defo my second favorite character in the franchise

a literal meme on 2 legs

[delicate grotto]

It’s implied the Slayer already went on several crusades trying to stop the Hell before the game events of Eternal.
The offscreen death of a priest guardian.
The massive time gap between games.
All the shit he’s got with him and the hub station.

So I’m just curious what events led to where we start in Eternal. Everyone is.

[frank turtle]

is it still recency bias to say that I prefer tda over eternal

[graceful lion]

not for me tbh, if i played eternal again rn id say it was worse than tda, especially the bossfights which arent just "shoot run shoot run shoot run shoot run"

[frank turtle]

eternal always felt kinda exhausting to play, atleast for me

[graceful lion]

he is likely always thinking about stoppin the invasion

[frank turtle]

eternal is still a insane game but I guess I prefer the gameplay of tda

[north spire]

I’m at the very least glad that all 3 modern doom games are really good :)

[frank turtle]

I am on controller so maybe that's why

[delicate grotto]

Not for me either.
Game has a lot more depth to its mechanics than either 2016 or Eternal had. Unfortunately my only gripe with it, is its balancing issues. The combat doesn’t emphasize weapon creativity, where you get to exercise the unique behavior between the game’s utility and weaponary.

Honestly, the classics remain as the best balanced Doom games imo. Every weapon has a use and you find yourself swapping to that gun for specific circumstances.

[frank turtle]

the classics are my favorites

[delicate grotto]

Classics are a ton of fun for sure. I love the resource management they have. Helps balance everything and make you weigh in your decisions more.

[honest vortex]

TDA> 2016 > Eternal IMO.

Also TDA is by far my favorite. Not even close either

[frank turtle]

I'm 22 so I wasn't there when classic doom came out, but it amazes me how they made such an amazing game with those limitations

[honest vortex]

I know I showed this before but great example of the awesome ass melee system in Dark Ages:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043033811941863475/1380740220391002192/4c7aaf08-cb53-438e-a543-44699e9f4f13.mp4?ex=6844fa09&is=6843a889&hm=5eedb456b6ebf91b465e0800649c860a9b105be53fc9763ded1a4f9162088260&

[frank turtle]

Holy shit

[acoustic vortex]

My same reaction

[delicate grotto]

Definitely, and it feels great when you play this way. Just wish the game encouraged you to do so more often.
Honestly default game speed should’ve been how 120% feels imo lol. Intense enough to push players into this flow state.

[honest vortex]

Side note. This mission really looks like DOOM 2016 to me ngl

[honest vortex]

It kinda reminds me of Argent D'Nur from DOOM 2016, just not actually in Hell?

[lime plinth]

i do wonder how the TDA campaign dlc is gonna go

[graceful lion]

i hope it whoops my ass

[frank turtle]

I hope it makes me crash out

[graceful lion]

boys better become men after playing the dlc 🙏

[lime plinth]

like will it cover up the entire story up until DG gets put in the 300 year sleep box

[frank turtle]

in a good way

[graceful lion]

it better make tag 2's unnerfed slayer gate look like childs play

[lime plinth]

would you say TDA is difficult?

[graceful lion]

oh also fun fact : kaiser_will (creator of kaisercampaign) worked on the old one bossfight

[graceful lion]

its hard in its own way, if you make the sliders go up its a different game

but hopefully they give us mod support for master levels/campaigns

[wheat sigil]

i also loved the slayer gates in tag2

[lime plinth]

i kinda wanna see people who say its easy maximise every slider and play the game

1000% slayer damage is pure pain

[wheat sigil]

doesn't even exist...

[lime plinth]

it doesnt?

whats the highest again i forgor

[wheat sigil]

500

honestly kinda underwhelming

but with other sliders it can certainly become quite bs lol

[lime plinth]

OH

i should probably ask about this. so im tryna run the game with fsr. but when i turn fsr on my game just freezes.

[wheat sigil]

1000% is max for damage to demons

[uneven mortar]

What do yall think the next update is gonna be about

[honest vortex]

God I love Holo swaps and lock on tech (where you combine melee rhythm and regular rockets to manipulate the rhythm of lock on burst, and even have the ability to shoot multiple lock on bursts much faster) in 2016:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043033811941863475/1380833026690252910/45f8f4cf-5eb8-4bc3-9071-e8fb72fa55102.mp4?ex=68455078&is=6843fef8&hm=06d7489e915887dcdb1931e40a409322bc4419e4f73210ddaf719726d87c2ef6&

[uneven mortar]

Elemental typing an essay

[delicate grotto]

Depends on your skill level.
Game kicked my ass when I first played it. Nightmare.
Eternal is easy to me though.
After my first playthrough of TDA I realized why I was having a hard time: I wasn’t using the melee system the way it was intended. Game gets a bit too easy with its melee upgrades at that point. Some guns and shield runes are ridiculously overpowered too.
The slider variety can make it either the easiest or the hardest modern Doom game with just a couple of changes. So it’s really up to you.

And nah man I’m hella tired and can’t think, lmao.

[wheat sigil]

i too love doom the dark ages

[lime plinth]

im a sucker for the shoulder mounted gun. but i know for a fact its one of the weaker varients for sure

[uneven mortar]

Ngl the dreadmace is such a balancing nightmare but it's too fun to not use. I wish it didn't refill ammo

Idk why they thought that was necessary

[honest vortex]

Tbf . That arena and boss look like something that'd be in Dark Ages

[delicate grotto]

Yeah even without upgrades there’s 0 reason to use the other 2 melee options other than that you might find them to look cooler.

[uneven mortar]

I wish the melee options were all equally good

It really hurts the whole combat system

[honest vortex]

Also some melee weapons have less depth and tech like the Mace

[lime plinth]

ironic because the flail is BY FAR my favourite

[vital rapids]

I do kinda think if the flail were turned to do what it does more properly it’d be OP

[delicate grotto]

Same.
Weapon classes should’ve had a little more focus on weakness/strength balance.
Melee system should’ve leaned into different playstyles, with each option being equally as good and only dependent on the player’s preference.

[vital rapids]

But I guess that’s ok given the mace

[uneven mortar]

I hope one day we get a rebalance mod that makes the game a little more "pay attention to what you're using"

[lime plinth]

cant wait to get an actual cpu cooler

[flint coyote]

Finally 100 percent this beautiful game.

[vital rapids]

I don’t like to do too much intentional farming, so I think generally using the flail keeps me topped up just enough

[honest vortex]

Flail was definitely cooler than the Mace

Though Mace was aesthetically cooler

[uneven mortar]

There was room for a much deeper combat system here that they chose not to pursue, which is sad. They could have retained some of the better elements from eternal while keeping everything they built here.

[vital rapids]

Although arguably using the flail all the time is intentional farming I guess

[wheat sigil]

yeah that's a kinda unfortunate thing, restacking becomes kinda boring cus you can just run around the arena for 5 minutes with the CSG and replenish all armor

[lime plinth]

whats the csg?

[vital rapids]

Combat shotty

[lime plinth]

default shotgun?

[honest vortex]

Nice. It's my favorite game. So kuddos

[delicate grotto]

It’s funny, you start to notice a lot of thematic similarities between the games despite them all feeling so different.

I noticed The Trial of Maligog is a lot like something you’d find in the Cosmic Realm. Probably a coincidence, but I find it interesting enough to point out.

[uneven mortar]

They could just add a low ammo gamemode and fix a lot of my problems with the combat system tbh

[lime plinth]

yeaaaaaaaaah. i kinda realised that there are weapons that straight up give you certain things. i e the non spread skullmincer gives you health

[honest vortex]

I'm not sure if Trial really looks like Cosmic Realm.

But they sure indubitably took a lot of the same exact drugs when designing Maligog as they did in the Cosmic Realm.

[lime plinth]

its really funny because other than the creed maykr bossfight i never use any of the plasma guns but the rest i use pretty coherently

[vital rapids]

I strenuously avoid this unless necessary as it plays better for me to remember spawns on pickups and do runs, where I can, but yeah

I never liked to break off and focus fodder for resources, but sometimes you just have to

[lime plinth]

i think overall this is very closely my top favourite doomguy its just A LITTLE bit under 2016

[wheat sigil]

it's quite op, but you need a good attention span to make it op

[delicate grotto]

I meant moreso in its abstractness. But yes, I agree lol.

Curious if TDA’s development was already in the works during TAG’s development. I’m sure it was at some point nearing the latter half of TAG 2.

[lime plinth]

the bossfight is peak incarnate

[delicate grotto]

I only wonder due the inclusion of the Armored Baron and Hugo mentioning the next game feeling “heavier” in a stream playthrough of TAG 2.

[vital rapids]

Yeah for me it beats 2016 for flow of combat, there’s not so much stop/start unless you actively choose to do it. This plus big encounters means I can stay in the zone for longer stretches

[sleek ermine]

?

[lime plinth]

ive been rocking stock cooler. and my pc overheats like hell when i play this game.

[sleek ermine]

Get like Arctic Freezer 36 or Arctic Liquid Freezer III Pro 360

[vital rapids]

Did you check utilisation? It would be surprising if this game was focusing its dps on your cpu

[lime plinth]

id say doom 2016 wins in the like reflection of old doom while also adding the glory kill mechanic but TDA wins in every other department

[lime plinth]

i think the utilisation peaks at like 70-80 maybe

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/lobster-blue-bluelobster-xd-scary-gif-26708658

Doom eternal 2

[vital rapids]

Yeah. 2016 deserves so much respect for its treatment of the original material tbh.

[pulsar granite]

What I'm more amazed abouth is the smoothness of the game like holy shit

[wheat sigil]

i always fail to see how 2016 is so close to the originals

[lime plinth]

OH ALSO i kinda wish that more enemies did projectile moves

[vital rapids]

For my part it just has lots of love and care put into the aesthetic and environments. It doesn’t play like them at all which is why TDA wins for me

[lime plinth]

it just feels like a modern version of doom 1 and i like that alot

[fleet spruce]

Doom 3 2: electric boogaloo

[lime plinth]

it isnt close close to the originals but after having nothing for 10 years it was so nice for them to randomly drop peak

[lime plinth]

my "all doom games are s tier peak" argument when doom 3 is mentioned

[vital rapids]

I like Doom 3. Some great memories of immersing in its dark, solitary world

[frank turtle]

the cutscenes with the doom slayer are so good too

[lime plinth]

coming from someone who regretably didnt have a console growing up until like 2014 the gameplay loop was frustrating. id die alot and the enemy design....ok well the enemy design wasnt bad i just died alot and felt like there wasnt much i could do about it

[wheat sigil]

yeah but at this point we're still so far away from the originals that we may as well say eternal is closer because it focuses more on movement, resource management, and enemy prioritization than 2016

[vital rapids]

None of them is legitimately a bad game, even if we don’t like some individually. In a 3 decade series that is truly S tier itself

[lime plinth]

my take on doom 3 is that no doom game is bad. its just some are better off than others

[lime plinth]

id argue that the movement in eternal is abit too complex but i agree with the other 2 points

my hatred for marauders will forever exist.

[wheat sigil]

why😢

[vital rapids]

The distance between it and Doom is what stands between me and Eternal tbh. It was a big ask for 2016 already how different it was. I don’t feel that way with TDA. There are differences, lots of them but the core experience of combat is not so far away from original Doom you are made constantly aware of it through moments that are supposed to be exciting

[wheat sigil]

i don't see how a game not being super close to another game would make it worse or less enjoyable

[lime plinth]

so. having a bunch of demons that like. are relatively easy to kill is awesome. however adding an enemy that you need to be at a certain distance and then play the waiting game for them to launch the attack that you need to react to by attacking and if you want the process to be done quickly you quickswap rapidly to keep him in that stun phase is.... it was annoying to say the least.

[pulsar granite]

Holy shit 2016 feels way harder than tda after playing it

Probably the lack of fast movement and shield

[lime plinth]

it doesnt. i guess i just really like the hands on glory kills

i think what dulled my experience with eternal was the fact that if i play on nightmare i am required by law to quickswitch and use everything in my arsenal at a rapid pace

[wheat sigil]

1. you don't need to be at a specifig distance
2. you don't need to wait

yeah quick swapping is incentivized with the marauder because he asks the player to maximize dps, which is done through quick swapping, he just emphasizes something important in the game more than other enemies

[wheat sigil]

most people who play through the game once, twice, or even thrice don't quick swap

for my nightmare playthrough, i only used the weapon wheel and didn't even use the ssg lol

movement is king, you can get through anything with good fundamentals
quick swapping is a tool to make it easier not to die once you have good fundamentals, because it allows you to kill enemies faster

[lime plinth]

wait so have i just been dumb with marauder then? cuz the eyes only glow green when you are at medium range. if youre too far he summons le doge if youre too close he just shieldbashes and shotguns alot

[wheat sigil]

yeah being too close isn't a good idea xd
he doesn't summon his dog if you're too far away, he does it if you shoot his shield (also if demons do it, which is annoying), if you're far away he'll throw his axe and be guaranteed to go in for a green eye flash

so being far away from him is a strat for many people

you can easily time it so you deal with some enemies, bait the marauder to go in, turn to deal with him once he flashes green

[lime plinth]

i will admit i did not do the far away tech because i always prioritise marauder but he would just bash and shotgun like 3 times before finally procking green eyes and then id quickswitch

[true notch]

DOOM The Dark Ages devs put a lot of fire underwater
I like to imagine it's an omage to Korone and her famous Mario 64 clip of her saying "Water in the fire WHY?"

[graceful lion]

one of the cutscenes was a reference to doom 2016's intro

it even includes the zombie's head being crushed

[vital rapids]

It just does, I guess, it’s about the feel in a sequel, and it will vary from person to person.
There’s stuff that would be great in a couch hack n slash game, stuff that would be okish but too easy in a Quake game, etc

[lime plinth]

oh and also this is a huge me issue but i struggle to reach past 6 on my keyboard. so i definitely was not switching good enough

[wheat sigil]

custom binds lol

anything after 4 is definitely too far away

[lime plinth]

i ended up binding chaingun to m4 i believe

[pulsar granite]

Please don't put forced pt in the next doom game

[lime plinth]

thats it really

[wheat sigil]

i got custom binds for all my weapons, and a majority of the actions

[pulsar granite]

If they do then my gpu will be bomb like allahu akbar

[graceful lion]

i dont think we are at the point of path tracing yet tbh, its far more advanced

[wheat sigil]

also, you can just bypass his shield entirely if you wanna

[graceful lion]

forced pt is probably like way in thefuture, like a couple decades or so

[lime plinth]

h o w

[graceful lion]

when the majority of people have PT hardware

[lime plinth]

please teach me your ways

[pulsar granite]

All we can do is pray it's optimized well, as the only pt I can run is quake 2 rtx

[wheat sigil]

this is the most fun way, but also the hardest
https://youtu.be/GmAT3aAONIA?si=rtmbDGnN1jSySS-v

[lime plinth]

ok damn he really just follows the first bullet

i tried murderising him with the bfg but to no avail

[wheat sigil]

lock-on, aim away, fire, mod swap cancel into ballista/ssg
then you can use feet ballista, essentially, after having dealt decent damage in a relatively short window you can shoot the ballista close to his feet to create a daze
you can also shoot him during some animaions

[lime plinth]

i would rather 3 cyberdemons cramped in a hallway than a single marauder

[wheat sigil]

https://youtu.be/DehKqlhc2u4?si=eL5kUIv7aZzYrw2E

[lime plinth]

i like cyberdemon alot because its tip for it is very goofy

i guess just waiting for a demon in a fast paced game doesnt feel right to me

[wheat sigil]

that's why ion wait

[lime plinth]

and thats fair

i kinda wish they did marauder shield more like agaddon hunter

like that was a cool shield mechanic imo

[vital rapids]

Have they said PS will have PT, yes? If so pt nerf ahoy

[lime plinth]

whats ps and pt

[vital rapids]

PlayStation, path tracing

[lime plinth]

wait....

playstation..... doesnt have path tracing?

[vital rapids]

It has it, but it ain’t exactly a 5090

[pulsar granite]

The gpu is 6750 gre which does support it although ass

[lime plinth]

tbf i had to cheap out on a gpu (rx 7600xt) which works fine for smoothe 60

[vital rapids]

I’d go 4060/70 probably

[lime plinth]

i plan on going rx9070 in like 4 months

and then just not needing to upgrade for a hella long time

the problem with nvidia gpus is once you go above the xx60 they become absurdly expensive.

[vital rapids]

Path tracing may humble all hardware on UN settings

[pulsar granite]

I plan on saving up a fuck ton of money and get myself the best pc in the future

[lime plinth]

like i would roll with a 4070 but holy hell the price range

[pulsar granite]

It will be like Indiana Jones tgc, 30 fps on a 5090

[lime plinth]

im hoping this will be the only game that forces path tracing, its a double edged blade.

[vital rapids]

Yeh, and in reality 4070 is not always cheaper than 5070, which is better in every way, even if not massively better

[pulsar granite]

Indiana Jones didn't force pt

[lime plinth]

yeah but ai frames......

which once is better at pure performance without the use of dlss

[vital rapids]

Even without

[pulsar granite]

They aren't even real frames, dlss fg just makes current frames smoother

[lime plinth]

WAIT YOURE FOR REAL?

[pulsar granite]

And adds a fuck ton of latency

[pulsar granite]

Doesn't get past 4070 super. Truly a generational improvement

[vital rapids]

5070 by 15 to 20% raw. Rt, nobody is pushing it yet, but potentially decent uplift

[lime plinth]

huh....

maybe the 50 series aint that bad. ill compare these prices to the 9070xt and get the cheaper alternative

[pulsar granite]

Tbh a xx70 rtx card should always reach previous Gen xx90 performance

[vital rapids]

Yeah, better but not massively. Previous gen’s often similar. 20% over exact same point in previous gen, if that

[pulsar granite]

Imo 50 series is just rebranded 40 series with dlss 4 fg

[lime plinth]

its kinda goofy. because like the xx60 series is like the high tier gpu on a budget.

[vital rapids]

9070xt is a beast at this game tbh

[sleek ermine]

With a bit of extra VRAM on like one card

[lime plinth]

like 4060 is hella affordable

[pulsar granite]

Yeah and no game is gonna even use 32gb of vram

[lime plinth]

but going above that number the price begins to perform mitosis

[sleek ermine]

GTX 1660 Super is better than the RTX 3050

[lime plinth]

brother. have you looked at the game chat you are in?

[lime plinth]

3050 is the joke gpu

[sleek ermine]

Uses RAM
Not VRAM

[graceful lion]

im glad they focused on the raytracing aspect

[pulsar granite]

3050 is secretly a 2050

[lime plinth]

lowkey you rite

[vital rapids]

5070 at 550 is good price to performance, would Probably go for 5070 ti or 9070xt this gen instead if not buying top end cards

[pulsar granite]

This game can run at max settings on an 8gb vram gpu what are you onto bro

[sleek ermine]

I’m either gonna go for RX 9060 XT ()
or RTX 4070 Ti SUPER

[vital rapids]

Good vram wiggle room can be a lifesaver for longevity

[lime plinth]

i remember my friend wanted to upgrade cuz he likes vr but one of the other friends was like "just spend 200 more for the 70 series" so i pulled him over and was like "do you want an upgrade or do you want smoothe vr" he said smooth vr so i said 4060

i do not really see the issue with 4060 gpus

[mild loom]

Ew 9060xt is dog balls

All the new GPUs suck

[pulsar granite]

Really it's overpriced and obsolete for the 8gb vram

[vital rapids]

3060 is secretly a 2060s with worse memory bandwidth

[pulsar granite]

I'd rather get a 3060 than a 5060 ngl

[sleek ermine]

Pretty sure my dad has like a 3060 or 3080

[lime plinth]

the vram i can understand but is 200 more for like 16 gigs of vram worth it?

[pulsar granite]

Yeah

New games will all suck at 8gb vram even at 1080p

[vital rapids]

I’d still get the 5060 because it is literally a better card. But not happy about 060 offerings this gen

[lime plinth]

fair

[mild loom]

8GB of vram isn’t bad for now, but it will quickly become an issue

Future proof dat shi

[sleek ermine]

Future proofing is nice

[mild loom]

No

[vital rapids]

It’s pushing it now.

[lime plinth]

i find future proofing and pc to not go together well

[sleek ermine]

GTX 1080 Ti

[mild loom]

Just make sure your psu and vram is higher than generally needed and you should be good for the next few years

[lime plinth]

oh! my gpu lineup issss
gtx 1050 ti (solid card)

rtx 2060 (i lowkey miss it)

rx 7600xt (its had its ups and downs)

[vital rapids]

I had a 1050 ti and 2060 super - both did more than expected of them tbh

[lime plinth]

switching from my 1050 ti to 2060 i was like "why did i even do this?" and then helldivers released

my cpu is a collosal meh

[pulsar granite]

Yet it will run worse than 3060 on games that require more vram

[sleek ermine]

My little brother has a better PC than me but he’s stuck in Windows 10

[vital rapids]

This game seems to barely care what cpu you inflict on it tbh

[pulsar granite]

I have a pc worse than you and use Linux 😭 😭

[graceful lion]

please get the 16 gig version, for your own good

[lime plinth]

it heats up quickly and utilisation is abit jumpy, for those who wanna know its a ryzen 7 5700x

task manager my beloved

[vital rapids]

Yeah, I would avoid the 8gb like the plague. You don’t want to pair your weakest GPU with vram starvation man

[graceful lion]

ALWAYS get high vram

[lime plinth]

is 16gigs considered high or medium?

i have yet to meet a game that goes above 12

[graceful lion]

its good enough for atleast a decade

[vital rapids]

I’m ok, as I already upgraded, but I agree with what you say. In truth if you want to hit an 8gb minimum with modern GPU features you want 12, 16, more

[graceful lion]

at most a decade and a half, aka 3 new generations of games

[lime plinth]

also! in your opinion what is the weakest weapon in TDA

based entirely on preference

[vital rapids]

Pulverizer

[lime plinth]

i barely use the grenade launcher

[pulsar granite]

We can also upgrade vram as if costs 8 usd on aliexpress and it's 20gib/s 9gb gddr6

It's just unsoldering it and soldering it back really

[pulsar granite]

Shredder

[lime plinth]

may i peep the organs?

[pulsar granite]

Specs please

[vital rapids]

I don’t have the manual dexterity to be doing that unless it’s absolutely necessary. I have a failure rate with fiddly work like that 😂

[uneven dragon]

tasque manager my beloved

[lime plinth]

my organs are kinda eh. i wonder if yours are any better. i will be looking at them respectfully of course

[pulsar granite]

I'd buy a 3070 and upgrade vram if I wanted to upgrade

And keep in mind, it's 8gb per module. The stock one uses 1gb modules

So 8x8 is 64. That's a 64gb 3070 right there people

[graceful lion]

though it also matters if you can add that much, you would need a professional shop to do it

[graceful lion]

like if the gpu core itself can handle that much

because even cpus and mobos have general ram limits, os its probably the smae forthe gpu core

seems it can take 2x8max, so 16 gigs

[lime plinth]

ddr4...... kindaballs..... ouchie.....

what is the most recent ram type i havent checked in 5 years

[graceful lion]

ddr5

[pulsar granite]

That's a damn good pc

[silver bobcat]

I have a laptop with an Rtx 3060, amd ryzen 5 5600h CPU. It has 6 GB vram is that good enough?

[lime plinth]

oh....oh no........

[silver bobcat]

I saw someone on YouTube running it on these exact specs but it seemed too good to be true

Like I'm sitting here watching this and supposedly it can run well on ultra but there's no fucking way, it seems way too good to be true after how much it struggled with (specifically super gore nest) on doom eternal https://youtu.be/xcP2m9HPLPI?si=zshwD0S67iPvP6oT

[mild loom]

You have to use a slight modification but yeah it’s enough

[wicked elbow]

has anyone had problems with the game running in the background i got it on pc gamepas

[silver bobcat]

What modification

[mild loom]

Must use DLSS you’ll be aight

[mild loom]

There’s a steam discussion about it, can someone pull it up please? I’m on phone rn

[silver bobcat]

Oh yeah dlss, does it come stock with a dlss option like eternal does?

[wicked elbow]

would yall be able to help me not have the game run in the background i can hear audio but nothing will display its in my task manager

[pulsar granite]

Wait did I hear that right, 1.5gb of storage 💀

[lime plinth]

im imagining its terabyte

[silver bobcat]

Wait what who

[pulsar granite]

Mohammed Ayman Abdul Aziz Gad

[silver bobcat]

Ah fair enough

[hard thistle]

Muhammed Abdul?

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-crying-emoji-gif-20670145

[lime plinth]

YES, I AM!!!

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-i-am-yes-i-am-gif-4799231

[wicked elbow]

does anyone know how to fix it?

[vital rapids]

You might be able to run it with 6gb without modification so try that first. If not see: https://steamcommunity.com/app/3017860/discussions/0/560246171171319914/

[silver bobcat]

Thanks

[pulsar granite]

Rtgi disabled would be good

[silver bobcat]

I appreciate it quite a bit, this game looks awesome and I'm excited to play

[vital rapids]

I hope it runs ok for you

[silver bobcat]

Me too lol

[vital rapids]

🤞

[wicked elbow]

can someone pls help me have the game actually display instead of running in the background i dont know how to fix it

[pulsar granite]

Btw after update 1 I've noticed fps dropping way less than before as I usuay get 40 - 50 but drops to around 10 in intense combat. Now it seems to do that less times

Idk if it's thanks to update 1 or a driver update but I won't complain

[vital rapids]

Switch 2 64gb physical of Phantom Liberty mostly locks out at 30 quality, 40 performance…. Looking like TDA on the couch / bus / plane may be possible

Instabuy if so

[fleet spruce]

it's just a matter of time

[pulsar granite]

If the switch 2 version runs and looks better than on my pc Imma rage

[fleet spruce]

meanwhile i already do all this with my ROG Ally X

[wicked elbow]

dude the game will not open where i am able to play please

[pulsar granite]

Now that I think about it why did I not just play it on my steam deck

[fleet spruce]

Didn't they reduce the cartridges to just download code on cartridge DRM thingy? Also game is optimized really well for gamepad controls so i don't see a need for mouse, to each their own i guess.

[wicked elbow]

please

[pulsar granite]

Wait I just remembered, the switch 2 will have dlss since Nvidia is helping creating it and it does use an Nvidia cpu

[vital rapids]

Yeah, but CDPR made it an on-cart physical, baby. Amazing dev tbh

Also s2 is the first console to effectively integrate wasd+TRUE mouse controls, so for the first time ever on a console, fps games won’t play like garbage for me without extra kit. But enough about that coolness, main thing: looks like TDA might be acceptable

[fleet spruce]

the only thing I know about that port is that person who made improvement mods for BlazBlue games was among people who worked on it lmao

[pulsar granite]

Ah fuck

Defeated by switch 2😭 😭

[vital rapids]

It does

[fleet spruce]

Um, technically not true since playstation 1 had mouse as well

[wicked elbow]

Hello?

[pulsar granite]

May I please have a water

[vital rapids]

Literal extra kit dude 🤣

You can remove either joycon and use it as an optical mouse, stick makes it wide enough to feel normal, the other joycon functions as wasdetc

[pulsar granite]

Wait switch 2 has 12gb ram

[vital rapids]

2077 lets you use console normal controls, or gyro controls, or basically kb/m

[vital rapids]

Really it works out at 10 or so effective. But also the new ssd set up is give or take nvme speed, potentially

[pulsar granite]

Chat if fsr 3 is foss then why doesn't valve implement it into gamescope instead of still using the old ass fsr 1

Are they stupid

[placid rock]

#screenshots message building my ship up ^^

[vital rapids]

I would probably be creating a shortcut to the exe so I could use launch options like +r_fullscreen 1 and other graphics mode options to try and make the game appear so I could change the settings. As an alternative to setting Steam launch options. I don’t play on gamepass or have that version so can’t guarantee this even works. But if there are no gamepass shenanigans with the exe it definitely probably maybe should

[tired rock]

I'm on my breaking point, chapter 14 UN fucked me hard

[frank turtle]

aw

[placid rock]

give them the finger!

[frank turtle]

chapter 14 is a tough one ngl

[tired rock]

It's a LONG ass chapter

[frank turtle]

fr

[tired rock]

It's my fav level tbh lol, best background ever

[frank turtle]

it's good but longgg as hell

[tired rock]

I will bro

[placid rock]

which is 14 again?

[tired rock]

Nerathul, you free them Lovecraftian shit

[frank turtle]

my favorite chapter might be 22 ngl

or the first lovecraftian level

[placid rock]

ah ok

ngl i was expecting a bigger cthulu in this game, it was the same size of a atlan so it just felt like even ground when facing him, wouldve liked it much better if he was like a few meters taller or even twice the size to use guns on him

[smoky reef]

I gotta say that titans

Doesn't really feel like titans while fighting them

[placid rock]

wdym?

[chilly osprey]

I can't believe doomguy gets canonically vored by cthulhu

[placid rock]

pretty much the cthulhu of this universe

since they couldnt actually make the real version

[chilly osprey]

Close enough

[smoky reef]

On the chapters that you fight titans they don't feel that heavy or tough

[placid rock]

theyre not supposed to be as they are only "thralls" they arent super soldiers or even trained soldiers, theyre just a enslaved race forced to fight by the hell priests, so the only ones that should feel tough or even heavy would be the shield ones and the cyclops titan

[smoky reef]

Ah gotcha, they used to be peaceful titans back in the day right and they got forced and converted to that

I don't remember where I saw it but it actually made sense

[placid rock]

its in one of lore pages in the game probably saw it there

[smoky reef]

I suppose so yeah

There's so much lore in the game

[placid rock]

i wish there was more tbh cause these lore pages in darkages just feel super small to me

[smoky reef]

Compared to what the lore of doom is yeah it's small, I love to watch videos about it everyday ngl

[south echo]

been watching the Hugo n Josh streams a little bit, the idea of a Doom Slayer skin with cargo shorts need some socks n sandals and a polo\

[placid rock]

please tell me they were not seriously considering putting cargo shorts skin 😭

[south echo]

you never know, its mostly just a stream injoke i would think

because hugo loves his cargo shorts

[placid rock]

it would be the worst skin ever

[south echo]

yes it would and that's why its the best

[smoky reef]

It would be the worst and the best at the same time

[placid rock]

like this game has high graphics and they would choose to do cargo shorts?? that is just horrible and just a complete waste of a skin that couldve been good

[smoky reef]

XD who knows

[south echo]

it has everything, just like fully loaded cargo shorts

[lilac swan]

There's that fat slayer skin in eternal, so I don't doubt it

[south echo]

didnt they have a mancubus with ketchup n mustard arms or something in eternal?

[lilac swan]

Yes

He even dances

[south echo]

ya see, so its not entirely impossible

[graceful lion]

vacation in hell for demon slaying

[lilac swan]

I really like the weird skins

[placid rock]

hugo should just be fired if he does cargo shorts skin🤦‍♂️ its a complete waste of space and graphics this is a medieval futuristic game so the only thing that should be allowed for skins is stuff that actually is worthwhile and isnt complete made to be just stupid. they need to work on important and actual content and not on goofy stuff that never matters

[split gate]

The ragebait of all time

[placid rock]

not even.. its actually my opinion -_-

i just hate the goofy skins cause they make zero sense

its just frusterating

[split gate]

Oh is it, I thought it was ragebait because you said Hugo should be fired over a skin

I get your point but it’s a skin, not the end of the world

[placid rock]

im not saying it is, its just that in eternal thats all they did was goofy skins which annoyed the hell out of me

theres only a small amount of actual model changes that look good

[south echo]

videogames are for fun and they should be goofy

[placid rock]

yeah like i want to be a unicorn for no reason 🤦‍♂️

[split gate]

I get it but they aren’t forcing you to wear it, it’s just there.

[split gate]

FUCK YEAH, manly shit right there

[placid rock]

-_- not how i meant that at all as im not even male

[split gate]

Doom has always been a little goofy since the classics, it’s not exactly wrong to include stuff like that

[split gate]

Ah my bad gang, point being, it doesn’t deteriorate from what Doom is still about

[placid rock]

i get the little goofy stuff but tis just when its constantly just goofy skin after goofy skin it just is annoying when i actually want like a robot skin or even a dragon skin. like stuff that would be so cool but instead they make a mancubus a hotdog

[split gate]

Ah I see what you mean, yeah I wouldn’t mind getting more skins that fit in with the game, I personally like them over the goofy ones but goofy ones are still welcome

[south echo]

Doom Eternal had like 50 slayer skins and like 6 of them were goofy/fun joke skins

[placid rock]

there were just as much goofy skins as regular skins 💀

[south echo]

nah there are a lot more normal skins than joke skins

[placid rock]

if you count recolors then yes but its just 1 skin then it would be more equal

[smoky reef]

Funny stuff is always great to see in Doom

[split gate]

Even so, the games are still badass. It doesn’t take away from the whole demon killing badass aspect.

[smoky reef]

There are memes about the game everywhere

[placid rock]

it wouldve been cool to put the skins you get for the demons onto the single player demons,in that i wouldve enjoyed the goofy skins

[split gate]

That would’ve been really cool, I wonder why they didn’t do that…

[placid rock]

no clue, it would add so much replayablity if it was added

i think there is a mod for it but no clue if it still works

[graceful lion]

god forbid doom eternal has like 2 over-the-top goofy skins

[fast sage]

I'm gonna play TDA on my brother's xbox (with GP Ultimate)

Boutta show prince Asscrack who's boss

[smoky reef]

Enjoy it mate

[placid rock]

2 is not the actual number good lord people just dont actually listen

[graceful lion]

no i just dotn know other than 2 skins

[placid rock]

there is many more than just 2 as it counts the slayer skins, gun skins, and demon skins, i have a mod that unlocks all the skins on eternal allowing me to view them all so i do know there is a lot of goofy skins in eternal

[vital rapids]

So. Hatsune miku skin when?

[compact lodge]

i just finished the first boss fight an im curious if all future bosses also have a bunch of enemies in the arena with the boss or if its only the first one

[golden glade]

the enemies would spawn in so you can collect more ammo wouldnt they, I haven’t played the new one yet but surely it works like eternal and 2016?

[fleet spruce]

Having such collab sounds really funny

[compact lodge]

im not sure. ive played most of 2016 but i dont remember any of the bosses

[split gate]

“I can’t see the end of the horizon-

HATSUNE MIKU??!”

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/lobster-blue-bluelobster-xd-scary-gif-26708658

[wild rose]

Why is this game so inconsistent? Now everytime Azrath attacks me and I parry I jump

I also can't kill his red brides with regular guns, just shield saw

[fleet spruce]

i just hit them with fully upgraded Chainshot, splash damage kills them both the moment summons are out

[wild rose]

It isn't killing them

I used to shoot a missile on him, killed both. Now a direct hit on them won't make a difference

[pulsar granite]

Bruh

[warm comet]

Okay what does it even matter

If you dont like the goofy skins, dont use the goofy skins.

Problem solved, world still spinning

[eternal acorn]

can someone help me? im missing 11 gold and 1 secret on siege part 1, my map doesnt show it too :C

[wild rose]

Best way is look a YT tutorial

[split gate]

I find that looking over everything unexplored helps, I also think doing the challenges can help

[obtuse oyster]

why did they make p[endulum mode suck so much fucking dick bro

why fucking restart the chapter ffs

[hollow sandal]

You used a life sigil and had to restart the level?

[obtuse oyster]

yeah at the end bruh

[hollow sandal]

Rip

[obtuse oyster]

but bro,. why

why did they decide to make this stupid ass fucking change

in eternal extra lifes functioned the same was in extra life mode when you were on one of the regular difficulties

[hollow sandal]

[obtuse oyster]

also I gotta collect all the secrets and gold pieces and upgrade my shit all voer again fuck that noise bruh

I totally have the capabilities for UN but I don't think I'll be doing it if I am getting pissed off just now it ain't as great as DEternal

[brazen cove]

Yes I think it’s since the update

[wild rose]

Happening with you as well?

[brazen cove]

Yes

[tired rock]

Just play, and pray

[wild rose]

Weird thing is I could do it yesterday

[brazen cove]

After the update you could?

[unique anvil]

is anyone else having the issue where whenever you 100% a mission it still doesnt say 100%

[brazen cove]

Are you doing the challenges too

[unique anvil]

oh probably not

[brazen cove]

There you go

[pulsar granite]

Did bro spam?

[tired rock]

A lot of fuck tho

Man was really pissed off

[brazen cove]

I get the frustration but I feel like UN in dark ages is infinitely easier than eternal no?

Also when it comes to upgrade I really don’t think you need to upgrade eveyrhtitn

I only used 2 guns lol

[pulsar granite]

How does someone even spam with slowmo?

[solemn matrix]

Any News on the Phalanx Skin yet?

[green thunder]

Makoto Yuki..?!

[tired rock]

Yes dear, I opened my eyes

[green thunder]

I actually have the official Makoto and Aigis plushies I can show in #general

[tired rock]

FR?????

[uneven basin]

does the cosmic breach wraithstone upgrade for the chainshot deal any additional damage to the main target?

[real crater]

130% game speed is so good

i'm sure i'll say that about 140% when i move up to it eventually

i might jump up to 150% it looks fun

just have to deal with eminem voicing every line

[neon perch]

Cooked or Blood Sacrifice?

[wild rose]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799305298044387361/1380931922561077268/Screenshot_2025-06-07-12-29-51-190_com.google.android.youtube.jpg?ex=6845ac92&is=68445b12&hm=0a03efcdb10f9fa0cad9a3d7ef7214ff96191efd3e7951b207a4ab4834b77ec8&
They made the Slayer dirty

[modern mulch]

What

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-good-triumph-evil-gif-6627141887522619123

[hollow sandal]

Bro wtf is with people??
"There is no reason to use anything other than the ssg"
"most weapons are not necessary"
"why change weapons?"

Because it's fun

[gritty matrix]

Uhm I do find other weapons useful

[frail bloom]

Every weapon is useful, yu mix it with the shield

The shield can combo with your gun of choice, which mixes with your melee plus shield runes

[hollow sandal]

Not you my friend 😭

[gritty matrix]

There are situations in which the ssg doesn't cut it. I wish the impaler had a longer range to get the barrels on platforms mote reliably but I guess can't have everything

[hollow sandal]

I'll just make a reddit post later and see what folks say

[hollow sandal]

Exactly

[wild rose]

Not only fun but better for gameplay. Those people never tried the game on nightmare

[gritty matrix]

Exactly

[hollow sandal]

"changing weapons doesn't make it more fun" this guy replied

[real crater]

higher game speed also increases the dialogue speed for some reason so when you get a voice message from king novik or whorver they say it really fast

[modern mulch]

That’s amazing haha

[wild rose]

They have a lot to do in update 2

[modern mulch]

I did not know thank you

[gritty matrix]

In nightmare if you try to rush stuff ssg in hand you die

[wild rose]

I feel like they changed the game

There are some enemies I didn't find now on my 5th playthrough

[gritty matrix]

Patch added some enemies

[real crater]

they did they made it harder a while ago

[wild rose]

Added?

[real crater]

they shouldve made the main menu song something else bro i cant help but sit and listen to it

[gritty matrix]

Yes in some arenas they threw in some extra monsters

Is in the patch notes

[vital rapids]

I see more chaingunners
The ones with the horned shields
I thought I was imagining it tbh

[real crater]

i hope update 2 adds photo mode or something like it

[remote thunder]

imo, tda permadeath is harder for reasons that would take a while to lay out, but a major one is that one shot protection has a minute long cooldown in tda whereas eternal's has a 7.5 second cooldown

restacking is much stronger in eternal, avoiding damage is easier, there are less projectiles and almost no hitscan (projectiles also don't track you or block your shots), things deal less damage even when you do get hit, and nuking things while airborne (which negates a majority of enemy attacks) just isn't possible in tda

[hollow sandal]

Well said

Mr Glasque

[remote thunder]

now if you remove permadeath and just compare both games' nightmare difficulties, yeah tda is easier

[gritty matrix]

Also more monsters = more sticky backstab attacks

[remote thunder]

this is kinda like how halo 2 laso is considered harder than halo 3's equivalent but adding the deathless modifier makes the latter much harder

[gritty matrix]

And almost all monsters have projectile attacks

[wild rose]

I've seen one less turret in the first Dragon session and one titan less

[dawn knoll]

Update 2 needs to fix the save-data glitch for Pandemonium difficulty. The game is disrespectful to our time if the level you just beat doesn't even save properly.

[wild rose]

Wdym?

Which glitch?

[sterile carbon]

oh i want to get pizza skin T_T

[dawn knoll]

On Pandemonium, there is a weird glitch that occurs occasionally once you beat a level. After you beat it, it boots you back to the main menu. And when you go to select the next level, it shoots you back to the level you just previously beat

Quite frankly, it's a little unacceptable given the high asking price for this game. I'm surprised more people are not talking about this

[tribal patrol]

this happened to me, all i did is right after completing the level i left the game right after then restarted my console, fixed it for me

luckily it happened on the atlan mission in hell

[dawn knoll]

I've had it happen so many different times now on PC. But that's very noteworthy that it's happening on console, too.

All different stages too. Even the first mission. It just looks ridiculous.

[tribal patrol]

yeah it happened 3 times to me after stepping into the portal, on the third time i gave up and modified by sliders to just rush through the level to figure a way to fix it, but it basically soft locks your progress which is very annoying

restarting helps though, you tried that on pc?

[pulsar granite]

Downloading indiana jones tgc rn because I wanna replay it and also compare performance to doom tda

[dawn knoll]

I noticed also that if you lose all your lives, and have to restart a file on Pandemonium, the save file is still in-tact and makes it so the lives you collected in the previous file cannot be collected again. The work-around is you have to manually delete the save file in main menu to fix it.

[sterile sage]

Has no one cleared max slider un 100% yet?

[unreal cedar]

What if I open this game on pc that doesnt even has ray tracing and is under minimum requirments. Will the game even open ?

[pulsar granite]

No it will give an error

[unreal cedar]

gg why is it so heavy on specs ?

[pulsar granite]

Because it has forced rt

[brazen cove]

interesting, i mean i see your point maybe it's because i haven't played eternal in a while too much (Altho i did go back recently for fun but only for an hour). TDA still feel very easy tho, a lot of the ennemy die very quickly even the super heavies.
And ok in eternal you with some quickswap combos you can melt some super heavies but tyrants/barons are still pretty tanky if you don't do stuff like slobs

[hollow sandal]

Maybe you can try calling them and finessing a code or pay over the phone for the pizza code

[somber sail]

Have they fixed the Berserk trophy/achivement

[meager vortex]

yes

[scenic ore]

no

[pulsar granite]

They have

[scenic ore]

not on ps5

[pulsar granite]

On all other platforms yes

[scenic ore]

this is just ridiculous. I completed the game two times and still no damn berserker trophy. I don't want to do playthrough for the 3rd time

[eager iron]

Didn't happen to me once

[meager vortex]

hey i play 9 time

[scenic ore]

tough from you, haha

[meager vortex]

game is fun

[inner niche]

why did people say theres no glory kills in tda

i bought it recently and there is alot of them actually

[meager vortex]

glory kill is glory strike

[inner niche]

yea but theres still glory kills

[vital rapids]

Are you playing with sliders on 100% normal? Easily fixed. Speed at max, damage out min damage in max, resources down, parry window min.

[scenic ore]

lol i learned about them just today

[inner niche]

you just gotta jump before finishing the demon off

[brazen cove]

this is not a complaint i'm jsut saying imo UN is easier in tda than in eternal

[delicate grotto]

Because they don’t get their constant dopamine fix every time the demon glows purple.

[formal root]

I like to call it “falling with style”

[meager vortex]

yes but glory strike is inspired by movie 300

[inner niche]

tbh the new finisher style is better because it allows for more freedom and doesnt lock you in an animation

[meager vortex]

this is doom sparta!

[formal root]

the slow motion that happens when you parry or use the flail is honestly more 300 inspired now that I noticed it

[pulsar granite]

I found this cool mod that removes fog and some reflections

Maybe it will make performance better

[delicate grotto]

This guy gets it.
I wish reviewers that have been reviewing games for years and have millions of subscribers were as perceptive

[formal root]

still, I heavily like the mod that removes the slow motion and makes things look natural in the heat of the moment

[meager vortex]

i love glory strike bonk! demons guts fly away~~~

[inner niche]

i have a good pc and i run it in about 150 fps with idk what settings but the graphics are awesome

[formal root]

yeah tbh, glory kills are cool animations and all

but when you get the same glory kill and have to go over the animations you’ve seen for that “unholy trinity” resource combo
it gets repetitive

[vital rapids]

Gonna give it a go when they pit the toggle in the game. Looks like it's going to make for an enjoyable run, although chaining projectile deflections could get pretty dicey where death matters

[inner niche]

exactly, its so fun watching ragdolls fly off

[wheat sigil]

not really more freedom, but it is very nice not having to watch an animation

[meager vortex]

guts with huge guts kill them all!

[vital rapids]

Hot take, I was bored of them after about 10, and then probably actually enjoyed 1/100

[inner niche]

i mean you can move your camera while you do the strike and can line up your next kill

[formal root]

like I think the only ones that I kinda go after are the cacodemon and arachnotron ones

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-guy-demon-2016-gif-10925418

[inner niche]

oh boy cacodemons, whoever designed the cacodemons in tda should be fired

[meager vortex]

demons need a head massage

[wheat sigil]

yeah no this is incredibly marginal to the point of being inconsequential
glory strikes are nice, but it's not really more freedom, the slowdown is however annoying...

[inner niche]

what happened to the beloved red ball with a butthole for some reason

[formal root]

you see, thats the line between a mature and adult rating

[vital rapids]

They're so momentary by comparison, it makes a massive difference for me

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-flail-slam-gif-3602213455553818448

[vital rapids]

Literal game changer

[inner niche]

what even is the purpose of cacodemons holes

[wheat sigil]

yeah, like i said, they are way better, not arguing that aspect lol

[vital rapids]

Best not to ponder tbh

[inner niche]

true

im on chapter 13 of doom tda rn and its very good so far, people complain about it too much

[vital rapids]

No hole on a demon is for dispensing candy before wishing you a nice day, that's for sure

[wheat sigil]

you have to excrete food somehow🤷‍♂️

[inner niche]

now that i got tda i think the only doom game i dont have is 3

[inner niche]

do you even need to eat in hell

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-doom-slayer-gaming-toys-gif-16770751

[vital rapids]

Multiple executions fast 👌🏻

[inner niche]

yea

tda is great

[vital rapids]

https://youtu.be/DCvWU8nDGNA

[meager vortex]

just like that bonk to the demon1 bonk to the demon2 bonk to the demon3

[scenic lichen]

did anyone else think act man’s review on the game was really bad?

[meager vortex]

his skill issue

[wheat sigil]

hey i mean
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064375003224756264/1375540952550215831/RDT_20240819_221814.mp4?ex=68452d97&is=6843dc17&hm=a468395e28096d2ccd129a3cdfe342425232cb12b76ad35e43c2a8ae87666897&

[scenic lichen]

Having watched the video I feel that he doesn’t remember 2016 or eternal that well

[inner niche]

i really like the tda melee system overall, multiple melee weapons and even tho they have a cooldown theyre great still, the melee attack in 2016 is my secound favourite because you can easily kill zombies without wasting ammo, and well eternal is genuinely cheeks because unless its the blood punch the melee attack doesnt do a gram of damage

[wheat sigil]

what'd he say? haven't bothered watching that lmao

[inner niche]

is it just me or are the death animations with demons poorly animated

[scenic lichen]

Swimming being introduced in tda…

[inner niche]

swimming was in eternal

[wheat sigil]

exactly

[scenic lichen]

After he said that I feel like he’s lost the right to make proper comparisons to 2016 and eternal especially considering how he holds eternal to an holy grail level of standard whilst ignoring eternal’s flaws and not trying to see what tda did better

[vital rapids]

I'd like it if they could add switching melee weapons on the fly in combat. I would LOVE the nuance this would add to melee. But I can see it creating mechanical problems

[scenic lichen]

I also feel like he’s overly reductive with TDA’s level design, calling the levels repetitive didn’t sound right to me at all

[inner niche]

i see this as the melee in ultrakill

you can use all 3 of the melee weapons in ultrakill

[wheat sigil]

i feel like being able to switch melee on the fly in tda could introduce some severe problems, or be quite bad

[vital rapids]

I must play UK at some point. Everyone sings its praises

[inner niche]

its really good

its like a more fast paced doom with alot more ways to kill your enemy

[vital rapids]

Yeah exactly. It's a shame, because the flail screams situational

[wheat sigil]

how are there more ways?

[inner niche]

the amount of combos in this game is crazy, theres like a 20 minute video on youtube just about the coin mechanics

a singular coin

and the game still isnt finished

we do have all weapons tho just not the last melee weapon

[meager vortex]

yes game is will be update

[scenic lichen]

I want to play ultrakill but I’m waiting for full release rn

[inner niche]

the full release is def close

[scenic ore]

why is there some gold and rubys still left after buying all mods?

[inner niche]

idk

anyway question what do i do with the whitestone or whatever its called

[scenic ore]

kickstart for dlc's?

[inner niche]

i have like 2 but i dont see what can i do with it

[wheat sigil]

i don't think that's entirely dissimilar from for example eternal

but really any doom game

[wild rose]

Man I hate Doom Eternal

[wheat sigil]

true, bad game but good doom game

[wild rose]

The contrary

[whole mural]

I think he made it purely to be ragebait

One of the worse reviews I’ve ever seen

Repetitive level design my ass bro

[scenic lichen]

Wrong

after 700 hours i have concluded doom eternal is the worst fps i have ever played

[whole mural]

Wrong

[wheat sigil]

so true so true

[whole mural]

2nd worst, let’s not forget cod now

[scenic lichen]

nah modern cod is the best wdym

[whole mural]

It has been dog water for quite a few years

[scenic lichen]

i love slop shooters 🔥

[wild rose]

Lmao

[pulsar granite]

Play a country 🔥

[wheat sigil]

eternal is way too restrictive, low ammo, too much platforming, no creativity, too cartoony, bad story, too much resource management, and too many buttons to press

[wild rose]

I hate how your only defence in these games is movement but you can't move if the demons are body blocking you

[pulsar granite]

Modern cod is propaganda slop

[wild rose]

I agree

[wheat sigil]

can't tell if you're sarcastic or not

[whole mural]

Let’s also mention the summoner needing a specific weapon with a specific weapon mod needed to kill it

[real crater]

i just randomly got the berserker achievement after bootig up the game

[pulsar granite]

How game journalists describe eternal

[real crater]

i have not gotten all the melee or shield rune upgrades

[wheat sigil]

eternal actually got good reviews

[pulsar granite]

It's cuz they fixed the bug

[real crater]

i mean its a free achievement i'll take it if i dont gotta do it

[wheat sigil]

uh what are you talking about lol

[pulsar granite]

He means the spirit

[whole mural]

Uh, the blue spirit summoner

[wheat sigil]

aha, you can let that die by itself btw

[pulsar granite]

But then it possesses everything

[wheat sigil]

move better then

[vital rapids]

Not "good game but bad doom game"?

[scenic lichen]

you need to play the game at least 20 times to come to a conclusion like this, those who said the game is good after 1-3 playthroughs are kidding themselves....

[whole mural]

2016 looks and feels way better

[wheat sigil]

i have 1215 hours on the game, and this is my objective and totally real opinion

[whole mural]

2016 also had better music

Mixed and polished by the actual musician

[wheat sigil]

you can let the spirit possess a weakened demon, and leave it for last and then let it die by itself
or you can let it possess something that will help you out, for example, a possessed caco will spend almost all its tokens on closing the distance and not shooting balls at you, essentially making it a meathook point that follows you

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/amen-anchorman-will-ferrell-gif-10865461

[wild rose]

Hard when there are 10 demons around you

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/lobster-blue-bluelobster-xd-scary-gif-26708658

[whole mural]

The bite does more damage doesn’t it

[pulsar granite]

In theory that works but put it in practice

[whole mural]

Blue lobster

[wheat sigil]

if you're surrounded by demons so you can't move, it's an issue with your movement and/or positioning
evidently since this is not an issue for everyone

[wheat sigil]

that's how i often play lmfao

[pulsar granite]

I literally forgot how to play eternal after playing tda like holy shit

[wheat sigil]

true, but you'd have to stand still for it to bite you, and well, if you do that you're doing something wrong lol

or just move very suboptimally

[pulsar granite]

So in short, skill issue

[wild rose]

I mean some Slayer gates in the dlc have an absurd amount of demons, you don't have eyes on the back to see the demons blocking you by behind

[whole mural]

Clearly you have never played classic doom and been attacked by 20 pinky’s in 1 small room

(Joke)

[wild rose]

I'm trying the possessed marauder on tag after years and it's so frustrating because the imps never stop spawning

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-25164052

[wheat sigil]

then be aware of the arena, move, and position yourself well
this is literally just the game punishing you for playing suboptimally

[wild rose]

I guess

[vital rapids]

We need something classier than skill issue.
"Sir, it seems like you are blessed with a golden opportunity to increase your skill. The very best of luck to you. Good day now."

[pulsar granite]

Bri'ish

[whole mural]

Skill issue is short and strait forward

I ain’t typing allat

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/oi-bruv-oi-bruh-oi-bro-oi-brother-british-gif-6927238731748484871

[wheat sigil]

i think saying skill issue is deleterious at worst, unhelpful at best

[pulsar granite]

We can change it to lack of skill

[wheat sigil]

and anyone who says skill issue isn't particularly good at the game either

[inner niche]

i just dropkicked a cacodemon holy shit

[vital rapids]

Or, if you have been placed in a confined space with many demons, Kill 'em All

[wild rose]

Improvement opportunity

[pulsar granite]

No more skill issue, only lack of skill

[wild rose]

It's not hard to come up with

[pulsar granite]

Nvm this is actually better

[wheat sigil]

it's the epitome of the dunning kruger effect, people who just started learning it think they're the best and therefore justified to say skill issue

[pulsar granite]

Improvement opportunity

[wild rose]

I really wish we could amp the speed in D16 as well 😥

[whole mural]

I do have a skill issue on doom eternal, I can’t stop playing it like classic doom and therefor die

[wild rose]

It'd make that game so sick

[unreal cedar]

what pc do you have to run this game on 60fps 1080p medium details ?

[pulsar granite]

Some dumbass said he'd play Doom 3 if it had a speed slider

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/the-patriot-the-patriot-laughing-red-gif-15141690

[whole mural]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-spongebob-patrick-star-derp-duh-gif-21500047

[wild rose]

Man I love the classic Doom style, just running between the shots instead of dashing all the time

[pulsar granite]

Improvement opportunity

[wild rose]

I'm kinda sick of dash

[pulsar granite]

This same idiot said that doom 3 looked bad and blocky and then said that xonotic looked better

[wild rose]

I mean, what's wrong with it?

[vital rapids]

Ugh puke

[pulsar granite]

@wild rose this is whats wrong

[whole mural]

Idiots

[wild rose]

Oh

I'm finally read to try classic Doom. It seems fun. After all these years I never tried

[pulsar granite]

How can you say doom 3 looks bad 😭 😭 😭

[whole mural]

It looks like a game from 2004

That’s it

[pulsar granite]

In 2004 the graphic were revolutionary and I'd say that it can still hold up today with HD pack mod

[vital rapids]

"Sir, your particular level of skill astonishes us all by its very existence. Well done"

[pulsar granite]

Improvement opportunity

[wheat sigil]

that's even more pretentious than saying skill issue😭

[uneven basin]

what's generally considered the best shield rune at max upgrade for harder difficulties?

[whole mural]

Lightning

The stun is amazing

[brazen cove]

yea lightning pretty stong

[pulsar granite]

I love earthquake

[vital rapids]

I like improvement opportunity. I experience a lot of improvement opportunities when I play Doom

[pulsar granite]

Chat would you rather choose a fully upgraded combat shotgun or a fully upgraded super shotgun, the first shooting 3 times at once ofc

[whole mural]

The lightning just stuns stuff to give you a little breathing room

[brazen cove]

i do feel like eternal had a higher skill ceiling tho imo

[whole mural]

Super

[vivid umbra]

Combat

[whole mural]

No it didn’t, it’s just who can spam weapon swap faster

[pulsar granite]

Ok now I need to know why

[brazen cove]

uh?

[vivid umbra]

It’s been my favorite gun in all the games that’s mostly it and armor

[wheat sigil]

this is an annoyingly common take that's also unbearably incorrect

[vital rapids]

The answer you would expect, Ssg

[whole mural]

So cry?

[brazen cove]

why are you bneing so combative

[pulsar granite]

Whats the point of a combat shotgun shooting thrice when the ssg shoots more pellets at full upgrade

[whole mural]

Because I chose to be?

[vital rapids]

No you don't

[whole mural]

I just did

[vivid umbra]

It also shoots more pellets

[vital rapids]

No you didn't

etc

[pulsar granite]

Aren't they the same amount fully upgraded?

[whole mural]

Yes I did

[vivid umbra]

What’s the same amount?

[whole mural]

Yes

No

[pulsar granite]

Bro coping about forced rt

[wheat sigil]

no, but i can tell you that any decent player has a good grasp on movement, positioning, restacking, stack management, decision making, prediction, etc
quick swapping is just one out of many aspects, and it's one of the less important ones too, it does however hold a much, much higher skill ceiling than most realise

[pulsar granite]

Improvement opportunity if you can't run the game on an unsupported gpu lmfao

[whole mural]

No it doesn’t

Clearly you never played brutal doom on realism mode

[brazen cove]

certainly more than tda

[wheat sigil]

then hop on those SSBs, silent BATS, fblade, wack swaps, rocketless SLOB, ssg animation fse, DDB, etc

[whole mural]

No thanks

[pulsar granite]

Anyways I saw a video of eternal running on an hd7870 at low settings and 70% scaling, impressed how a gpu that old can run it, now I need to know if it can also run tda

[brazen cove]

this person doesn't seem serious

[whole mural]

Eternal isn’t hard

[vivid umbra]

Samur makyr moment

[whole mural]

Beat him first try

[delicate grotto]

TDA has the potential to exceed Eternal’s depth with its mechanics, though it lacks the balance to do so.

Eternal isn’t as complex as people give it credit for. Yes there’s a lot of movement tech in the game, but 90% of it is unintentional and not part of the game’s core design.

[vivid umbra]

What difficulty

[frail bloom]

On nightmare???

[whole mural]

No on uv

[frail bloom]

Hm

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Nightmare was the second run

Died twice at the very end

[brazen cove]

i mean intentional or not it's still part of it, but i would say even what is intentional imo offer more opportunity for creativity.
But yea they'll rebalance and add on TDA so we'll see

[delicate grotto]

Most of these techs aren’t achievable without a higher framerate, or keyboard shortcuts, and weren’t intentional
It does have a higher skill ceiling as a result but the game was never designed to produce these kinds of combinations.
The faltering system has the most depth to it over quick swaps imo.
Movement and positioning skill is also a fair factor to consider.

[wheat sigil]

eternal is more complex than people realise, most people point to zero master as the best eternal player, but he's fine at the fundamentals and absolutely, incredibly, pales in comparison to the actually best players

[whole mural]

Never heard of that guy

[mental grotto]

Grug

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I call him a random, rhymes with grug

[wheat sigil]

higher framerate? not needed
you do need binds for almost all these techs, true, but you can do all of them on controller

and yes, it is unintentional, but now it's here, and tech and stuff is still much easier to master than movement

[brazen cove]

i mean the quickswap is intentional

[wheat sigil]

true, basic quick swapping is intentional

[mental grotto]

Yeah zero master’s just some random nobody, dude only discovered countless new speed running strats for both the classic and modern doom games. No biggie

[whole mural]

Fell for it again

🪤

[mental grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

[wheat sigil]

also holy fuck i disappeared because i had one of my country's largest spiders crawling on my leg and it suddenly decidef to disappear😭 😭 scared to shits of spiders

[whole mural]

Ain’t a big fan of speed running so doesn’t really interest me

[delicate grotto]

It is. I’m talking about the glitches involved with it. Again, I think it’s healthy for a game to thrive off unintended mechanics if it benefits its playability and fun factor. I’m just saying that the core design philosophy of Eternal did not foresee what became of it lol

[pulsar granite]

Who?

[wheat sigil]

not for modern games though? and he's extremelyyy far off the best players when it comes to eternal

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Me saying eternal isn’t hard

[pulsar granite]

I mean, it's not that hard for some parts

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Case and point

[delicate grotto]

And TDA has the potential to repeat Eternal’s accidental depth achieved by its mechanics, if only the balancing were a bit better.

[pulsar granite]

But it mainly depends on difficulty, there's a huge jump between uv and nightmare

[brazen cove]

the discussion was about skill ceiling, i was saying eternal had higher skill ceiling than tda

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Eternal is laughable when compared to some classic doom mods

[brazen cove]

nobody talked about classic doom mods

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I just did

[pulsar granite]

It doesnt matter they're harder

[wheat sigil]

if we include mods, we netter include eternal mods lol

[mental grotto]

I’ll admit he’s not on the same level as a lot of the top tier modern players but regardless it’s extremely impressive that he’s consistently solid across all the games, modern and classic

[whole mural]

Eternal mods ain’t got shit on classic mods lol

[brazen cove]

ok grandpa

[light warren]

my games froze on the first loading screen what do i even do

ive alresdy uninstalled it

[wheat sigil]

his skill level isn't particularly impressive in the new games, it can be achievef quite easily, but he doesn't really care about them, so it makes sense

[whole mural]

Grandpa? Does this suggest that you are what’s called a newgen

[mental grotto]

Ehh I’d say they’re on a pretty even playing field. Different kind of difficulty

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-mewing-mewing-meme-think-thinking-gif-8986451654826218658

[whole mural]

False

[brazen cove]

i didn't play doom 1 and 2 yes, i started with doom 3