the-dark-ages

[uneven dragon]

TDA has a longer campaign than Eternal and definitely a longer one than 2016 and TDA IS GOING TO FUCKIN GET DLC TOO

[hard thistle]

Costed

[uneven dragon]

so 2016 definitely has less content than TDA then lol

[orchid rover]

Snapmap

[vital rapids]

So... id adding bonus content will make people angry at the next game?

That doesn't seem like a good incentive to give us free stuff again.....

[hard thistle]

“Make the customer make the damn game lol”

[real rampart]

and we will most definetly get at least one extra mode for TDA, its just pretty normal for modern games to add extra modes later

as much as I wished there was at least a few Master Levels at launch, its not uncommon, so I don't understand what is the surprise

[uneven dragon]

oh noo i will have to wait a bit for my master levels which are promised to be coming and i will get for free

[orchid rover]

If we get multiple MLs at once within 3-4 months I will be a happy camper

[hard thistle]

People are gonna go fuckin nuclear when GTA6 launches and it doesn’t have 14 years of content like GTA5 did

[orchid rover]

I cannot imagine the shitstorm it's going to be if it's 6 months for 1 level

[hard thistle]

eternal had master levels and battle mode on release, 2016 had mp and literally you could play the og doom maps after finding them in the campaign on release

[real rampart]

if they did a shorter campaign in service of having extra modes on launch and people would then complaint "the game is too short to be worth 70$". There's no winning with gamers

[stoic sleet]

The forest is such a good master level

[delicate grotto]

In terms of actual singleplayer gameplay, TDA released with more than Eternal.

Battlemode is the only thing Eternal has over TDA in terms of content. One master level was premium only, and the other was barely a master level at all. These two MLs do not compare to the extra, what, 9 or so missions TDA has?

[hard thistle]

horde was bonus in the previous game that came out 5 years ago, why is it a bonus AGAIN? why isn't it there on release, tda is literally perfect for horde mode

[stoic sleet]

If only it was longer it would probably be the best master level if they make it correctly

[uneven dragon]

"horde was released later for the previous game so why wasn't it there from the start for the next one"

[orchid rover]

When the dust settles and TDA is complete, it won't be fair to compare to Eternal anyway. Eternal literally lost what I imagine is half of the intended content for it because of covid

[real rampart]

I would prefer a shorter campaign with extra on launch, but truth is, that is not what the majority of gamers think today. Most people assimilate that a worthy 70$ game = a long game

[orchid rover]

Invasion just never came out, anybody remember that?

[vital rapids]

So the reason it shouldn't be a bonus is that it was last time?
Make it make sense dude

[stoic sleet]

Its £70 but very replayable

Thats what the newers dooms are, short but replayable

[stoic sleet]

I forgot to add expensive

[real rampart]

what? Eternal did NOT had master levels on launch? wtf?

[hard thistle]

yeah exactly? why isn't it?

[uneven dragon]

yeah Eternal only had one master level at launch and it's the one people say is the least difficult

[real rampart]

most of the master levels came faaaaar later

I prefer waiting for an all round good master level instead of a single one at launch

[uneven dragon]

why WOULD it?

[vital rapids]

slaps an imp

2 + 2 = ocelot therefore why bonus now?

[delicate grotto]

Master Levels took a minimum of 3 months each

[uneven dragon]

did you want TDA to launch with 5 master levels, horde mode, multiplayer and 2 dlcs at launch? eternal had allat AFTER 2 YEARS so SUUUURELY they should just do all that for TDA AT LAUNCH right

[jolly geyser]

lol they always do post launch updates to add in shit in free later. idk why its even a discussion why something isnt there day 0.

[hard thistle]

yes, a sequal to a previous game should have things that were in the previous game and not add them 3 years later like the previous game, crazy right?

[uneven dragon]

this makes 0 fucking sense

[real rampart]

okay so, fuck the fact that you have a campaign twice as big

[hard thistle]

cuz you pay more for this game then the others, and get less content

[vital rapids]

Literally irrational so far man

[uneven dragon]

you get a longer campaign

[delicate grotto]

So what you’re saying is that you’d prefer if TDA released in 2027

[hard thistle]

5 hours longer*

[uneven dragon]

and most of the master levels weren't at launch for Eternal so you're not missing out of them

[real rampart]

oh yeah, and a singular master level would def give you 5 hours of more content

[jolly geyser]

They add in free updates over time, like 2016, like eternal, & this one will have it too lmfao.

[hard thistle]

no, but the mp definitely will

[real rampart]

who tf cares about the MP?

[jolly geyser]

"less content" do you people even know whaat the fuck you even complain about here? so much trash./

[real rampart]

literally had no player population

[twilit pumice]

Did people even like battlemode?
The mode looks fun but it's definitely not the focus

[uneven dragon]

they literally said the game wouldn't have MP so they could focus on the campaign...

[delicate grotto]

No one liked it com’on man.

[hard thistle]

in the previous games, the people that played it

[real rampart]

they had to REDO the MP to try and attract more players and it also failed to do so

[uneven dragon]

you're going to get Master Levels FOR FREE, AFTER LAUNCH, like ETERNAL. you will get horde mode FOR FREE, AFTER LAUNCH, like Eternal.

[real rampart]

MP modes are not sustainable with a 100 people playerbase

[uneven dragon]

you realise theres no multiplayer in this one because fuck all people played it in eternal lol

[real rampart]

sorry *10

[hard thistle]

Y’all are getting rage baited so hard

[vital rapids]

Y not everything free instantaneously tho

[hard thistle]

I'm not asking for a mp, only horde or atleast like a arcade mode like 2016 just SOMETHING other then the campaign

[delicate grotto]

Idk about MLs. Was that confirmed anywhere? I just know we’re getting patches and balance changes while we wait for DLC.

[delicate grotto]

👍

[uneven dragon]

You will get that something later FOR FREE.
Eternal didn't launch with master levels or horde mode. Neither did this game.
YOU WILL GET THEM.

[real rampart]

we will get it, chill, you are not paying rent to the game, just take a break from it and return when there's more content

[jolly geyser]

this isnt rage bait, its literally the stupid garbage talk of these modern doom games since 2016. This IS the topics I see from these games since their release.

[twilit pumice]

Is there even a point in talking to Sinner?

[uneven dragon]

i hope theres a pain elemental in the dlc

[hard thistle]

guys, I'm just tired of every game you pay full price for telling you "no you don't get this content on release, you get it LATER"

[hard thistle]

fine don't talk to me

[delicate grotto]

Yes
Hopefully with a 64-inspired design.
Also would love to see Vassagos.

[uneven dragon]

you got an entire singleplayer campaign which was what got promised💖

[vital rapids]

Then we have what? NO free content later? How is that better wtf lol

[delicate grotto]

They look like they’d fit perfectly with the medieval setting of TDA.

[uneven dragon]

oh yeah Vassagos would be sweet
even though they're all canonically dead
but nothing some classic doom plot shenanigans cant fix

[real rampart]

People want state of the art with advanced technology in video games that requires 2x the amount of work and resources than a ps2 game from 20 years ago. This is part of the package.

[delicate grotto]

Oh shit fr? I didn’t know that

[hard thistle]

maby I'm just expecting too much, my bad guys. Ignore my ramblings

[delicate grotto]

Then don’t buy it until the content releases. Problem solved

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-hurt-gif-25740532

[hard thistle]

too late sadly

[real rampart]

if there's a time frame where you get enjoyment from extra content then you didn't really care about it

[twilit pumice]

Dork lord, Sinner is just rage baiting. Was doing it a moment ago with MenTIOning TDA FlAws.
Really the guy is spewing shit for funnies. For whatever pointless reason

[real rampart]

if waiting 3 months is too much for you to lose the hype, then you don't really care

[vital rapids]

It's 3 months playing Eternal dude. Enjoy

[stoic sleet]

Now that im listening to slipknot their playing sounds similar to mick in some songs

[hard thistle]

actually started 2016 recently, but a while since a played that badboy

[twilit pumice]

What albums/songs?
I think Fear Factory was brought up at one point

[trim stirrup]

hey, does anyone know when the next live stream with hugo is?

[stoic sleet]

Some parts if unsainted

[hard thistle]

allot of things can happen in 3 months, but whatever

[delicate grotto]

I think it’s every Thursday at 6pm EST

[stoic sleet]

Also the iconic part in custer

[solar galleon]

what is the best doom game in your guys opinions?

[vital rapids]

Probably Doom II

[stoic sleet]

Doom 3 for sure

[vital rapids]

Love a bit of Doom 3. Was going to try and embrace BFG edition for a play through, but I don't seem to be able to

[solar galleon]

i personally like doom 2 because the super shotgun like it's op early game

[delicate grotto]

It’s really hard to say. Each game scratches a different itch.
IMO:
Classic dooms are great for simple fun.
Doom 3 is a great action-horror FPS.
Doom 2016 has the best atmosphere and immersion of any Doom game.
Doom Eternal has the best combat.
Doom: The Dark Ages has a great mix of all the Dooms that came before it.

And no I’m not counting VFR or Doom RPG

[twilit pumice]

Love Doom 3 too. One of my three favs
Not sure if Mfgytt is a real person however. I've noticed the discord's been having bot issues.

[solar galleon]

nah im real

[vital rapids]

@solar galleon do you know a recipe for pancakes?

[solar galleon]

idk i use the pancake mix why

[vital rapids]

It's ok everyone, this guy has passed the ultimate test

[hard thistle]

The fuck

[vital rapids]

He's clear

[real crater]

the best doom game is easily doom annihilation

[vital rapids]

Not mighty doom?

[real crater]

mighty doom is a movie bro what are you saying

[stoic sleet]

I was joking but, i was added by some random person called “Gamer” and they asked for my age for no reason

And it says their account was created on june 2nd 2025

[vital rapids]

Same

[delicate grotto]

Huh.. odd.

[hard thistle]

I miss mighty doom

[vital rapids]

Real sleazy, He offered me a bitcoin if I would send him a picture of my feet
Still haven't received the bitcoin

[stoic sleet]

Damn it

[solar galleon]

WHAT?

[stoic sleet]

Hate when that happens fr

[wind dew]

Doing a Pandemonium run and just lost a life because my foot got stuck. What bs

[twilit pumice]

What are your three favs then?

[hard thistle]

I don't believe u actually took that pic. Gonna need proof rn

[trim stirrup]

aunt jemimas?

[hard thistle]

Ok “mother

[vital rapids]

Yeah no freebies dude

[stoic sleet]

One time i sent him my credit card info, he didnt give ne the bitcoin and THEN the bank stole my money and said it was some random

[hard thistle]

I'll read you a bedtime story
Here it goes:
In the first age, in the first battle

[vital rapids]

He kept telling me not to redeem, but I was just trying to be helpful

[vital rapids]

Now the joke has gone too far and I'm frightened 😂

[tame lintel]

[hard thistle]

U should be.

[solar galleon]

im gonna speedrun doom tda on stream this weekend you guys got any tips?

[trim stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-guy-doom-eternal-crucible-gif-3516595258352456593

[twilit pumice]

@solar galleon
Do humans give birth to birds?

[vital rapids]

Check your streaming software works OK with the game BEFORE you start the stream

Especially if OBS

[fallen notch]

Doomslayer with glowing eyes is so tuff ❤️‍🩹

[solar galleon]

huh wtf typa questions are you asking

[stoic sleet]

Yes clearly

[stoic sleet]

I was impregnated by a bird i can confirm

[tough swan]

Why Bethesda send me an email with the stats of the campaign?should be available this in the game

[solar galleon]

oh ok

[stoic sleet]

Ive still not got the berserker triphy

Fuckass ps5

[trim stirrup]

it's on steam too

the bugged achievement, i mean

[tired rock]

Really? Slower than Eternal?

Eh I'll give it a try

Most 'insane' shit I've ever did on Eternal is TAG Pt. 1 on nightmare, that just breaks my sanity

[twilit pumice]

Achievements/trophies are still bugged?

[wispy flower]

How long did it take you?

[stoic sleet]

Idk but I havent gotten it yet

[bronze swallow]

anyone on console been getting this glitch where the game results your controls to default everytime your controller disconnects?

also happens whenever i boot up the game

[real crater]

thats strange i'll see if mine does that

huh it does

all my binds are back to default after disconnecting and reconnecting

[stoic sleet]

Screenshot ur binds first

[real crater]

i just got done resetting them mane

[stuck widget]

I can’t believe people say Tda was a downgrade from eternal 😭

[trim stirrup]

hilarious, innit?

[stuck widget]

One person said the mechs sucked

[trim stirrup]

yeah, everyone said the same about eternal back then, how shitty it is and how it is too fast and how it feels like a shitty arcade game

[real crater]

i just recorded a video of it happeningi'll send it as soon as it uploads

[honest vortex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043033811941863475/1379241241497174038/Screenshot_20250602-163152.png?ex=683f8601&is=683e3481&hm=5ce1428a4cdd7654a27afcac8d17468803fd450a3153a014c7fe5ba94bad197d&

[stoic sleet]

K

[honest vortex]

Bruh WTF

[hard thistle]

aight that dude's a chud

[trim stirrup]

now everyone treats eternal as the holy grail of shooters and hate on TDA

[honest vortex]

Indeed

[real crater]

its in #videos

[trim stirrup]

it's just gamers being what they always are, hypocritical shit talkers

🤪

[honest vortex]

Act Man's video makes no sense.

He acted like Dark Ages having a shit story was the worst thing in the world, when Eternal has a way worse story.

He seemed to think Dark Ages added swimming and made a huge complaint about it, when Eternal did it first

[trim stirrup]

as for the content creators, yeah, they gotta roll with what the sheeple think and feed them the "public opinion" to make money off of them

[honest vortex]

Yet he thinks Eternal's the holy Grail masterpiece.

I think he didn't pay attention to Eternal tbh

It did a lot of the things he complained about with Dark Ages, but even more extreme

[delicate grotto]

I watched his critique. It can basically be boiled down to being upset over the lack of Glory Kills without considering why they’re gone, and complaining about repetitive level design which is fair enough. Though there are quite a few levels with unique environments and encounters.
He also wanted a more integrated melee system in game which is a bizarre take, considering this is an FPS?

[trim stirrup]

dont get me wrong, tho
i love doom eternal, i also love doom 2016

[placid rock]

i mean the ending to tda felt a tiny bit underwelming to me but other than that the story was way better than eternal was

[tough swan]

I only watched civvie and his review was honest

[delicate grotto]

No exactly. Half of his points were also “issues” in Eternal.

[trim stirrup]

and i also fucking love TDA 😄

[honest vortex]

I think Dark Ages has the most varied and fleshed out levels of the trilogy.

Eternal's honestly felt the most linear and repetitive of the trilogy in terms of level design

[honest vortex]

I think Eternal had varied scenery though, but I mean so did Dark Ages

[wispy flower]

Damn, bro really got us with that one.

[tired rock]

Around 16 hour total, it was unreal

[placid rock]

only liked the art in eternal pretty much as the immora designs really caught my eye

[wispy flower]

💪😎

[tough swan]

Same but 1 hour more

[tired rock]

When I beat it, it feels so damn great, I'll say that it's on par with beating Souls game. But instead of "finally it's over" it's more of a "FUCK I can't get enough of this, I want it to last longer"

[tired rock]

Insane comparison

The Dark Ages may have taken a few steps back with stuff like the absence of glory kills, fast travel, and whatnot BUT the level design? It fuckin peaked, it has actual 0 shit area to play and also 0 shit looking area to look at

[trim stirrup]

give it a year or two, then everyone will say how they always loved TDA from the beginning, just as with doom eternal back then 😂

[delicate grotto]

Honestly a piss poor review, and I usually enjoy his video game essays. At least from the ones I’ve seen
Many of his points here just fall flat. Misunderstanding the melee combat. Treating the story as if it breaks or makes the game’s enjoyability. Commenting on features that were in a previous title, yet somehow egregious here.

[tired rock]

Just let it breathe for a year yeah, ffs

[wispy flower]

😳 what are we beating?

[tired rock]

[trim stirrup]

there are still glory kills for every demon in TDA, they are just aerials now and mostly one per demon

ground melee kills are just punches and kicks to keep the flow going

[stoic sleet]

Little children

[wispy flower]

I think some have front and rear aerial gk

[sterile fjord]

Hello everyone

[trim stirrup]

greetings 👋🏻

[tired rock]

The punches having slowmo is a bit tiresome sometime but also it kinda adds this feeling where you REALLY punch them fuck really dang hard, like a double decker bus crashing into em

[tired rock]

Heya mate

[trim stirrup]

they will add a toggle for that

so everyone can set it to what they prefer

[delicate grotto]

Personally chaining my attacks together is more interesting than watching the same animation again for the 100th time, no matter how cool it is.

This way I can punch an Imp into gibs, parry the Hell Knight behind me, follow up with a SSG blast, shield bash into the Mancubus, parry him, combo him with my gauntlet and continue on with my day.

In Eternal that would be shoot demon, watch animation, meathook, shoot demon, watch animation. Still fun! But doing the cool shit myself feels better than watching a synced animation.

I do wish there were a couple more unique from-above and champion demon executions though.

[tired rock]

1 bazillion time agree

[wispy flower]

combo? That's me

[delicate grotto]

Bro’s been waiting years to say this

[tired rock]

I thought it's a massive dealbreaker the fact that it doesnt have any glory kills but when I play it myself especially during the near end chapter, it's sooooo fun

[frail bloom]

People keep forgetting that yu don't have to stare at the demon yu punch, YU CAN TURN AROUND AND HIT THE OTHRR GUYS INSTANTLY

I would like some top down side glory kills tho

[trim stirrup]

had exactly this in a fight earlier today, having multiple parryable projectiles flying at me while i punched a hell knight to death and parrying the projectiles inbetween, then charging towards the demons shooting at me, felt awesome

[tired rock]

It feels like John Wick

[delicate grotto]

Exactly. You can MOVE during the action.

[wispy flower]

I agree 100% I think they changed the combat to be way more fluid and fun, and people don't like having control cos they're not creative enough to make it fun, they just use what's OP and say its boring 😭

[frail bloom]

It's smt ppl keep forgetting they forget abt the ADVERTISED freedom of unsynced kills we've known abt since quake con

[twilit pumice]

Also use the slow mo to my advantage. It's not entirely spectacle

[split gate]

Civvie’s was based

[delicate grotto]

2016 gave the player creative freedom, people found it Op and boring.

Eternal streamlined its gameplay that emphasized integral systems and somewhat tightened player freedom. People felt restricted to one playstyle.

TDA strikes a balance between the two. People still don’t like it.

Dammed if you do dammed if you don’t.

[frail bloom]

That's what I'm saying! It slows down time but yu can still move amd not get overwhelmed!!

[split gate]

No matter how much id tries, the loud minority still cries

[delicate grotto]

I love this

[split gate]

It’s what happens for anything tbh

[frail bloom]

I WILL SAY

Some top down side glory kills would be appreciated, one for left and one for the right

[delicate grotto]

Perhaps in an update though I doubt it

[split gate]

I didn’t realise it rhymed 😳

[frail bloom]

Won't break the flow

[delicate grotto]

Lmao

[wispy flower]

They need to make Call of Doomy next

The masses would go feral

[rare juniper]

somebody wants a code for doomslayer verdant skin?

[split gate]

Fuck it, Doom: Extraction Shooter edition

[split gate]

Call of Doomy; Civil Warfare

[twilit pumice]

@frail bloom
Try procing cannibalism with your rocket launcher out, then swap to your grenade launcher.
The cannibalism passive stays

[frail bloom]

Sweet, I didn't know I needed that lol but imma try it

I copied it to clipboard so I won't forget

[lilac swan]

Doom 4 beta

[frail bloom]

Would it work with different weapon classes btw or just grenade launcher

[twilit pumice]

I think it's only them two. Cause it has to be self inflicted explosive dmg.

[frail bloom]

Oh I see

So I could heal myself WAY QUICKER

Cuz the faster rate of fire

[gray flower]

i just pre ordered this' DOOM: The Dark Ages - Doom Slayer 7" Edition #1 Deluxe Action Figure

[twilit pumice]

Definitely, mutli clusters and faster fire rate. Overall more heals and damage

[gray flower]

its coming out in august

[honest vortex]

I feel like people haven't played Dark Ages enough to find out you can do this

[gray flower]

its really nice

[honest vortex]

They seem to play like 4 missions and then decide it's the worst in the trilogy

[frail bloom]

Well those first 4 are kinda a slog

But yes they should be more patient

[twilit pumice]

I honestly found them better paced than both Doom 2016 and Eternal

[merry pumice]

Just beat pandemonium! Asking anyone who’s beaten UN on this and eternal: was it easier than eternal’s UltraNightmare?

[tired rock]

Hell yeah

[honest vortex]

Chaining melees, shield throws, shield catches, bashes, shield runes, parries, falters, melee weapons , guns, into charge shots is also waaaay more interesting than just simply quick swap combos to reduce weapon cool downs.

[frail bloom]

Shhhh I did too but I have to try to understand other people

Trying to accomodate y'know

[lilac swan]

If you put the sliders on the hardest difficulty possible, yes, it becomes harder than eternal

[merry pumice]

I meant just default UN

[honest vortex]

As someone who likes 2016's first four missions, I agree.

Also Eternal didn't take until Super Gore Nest to become truly cool

[lilac swan]

It's easier then

[twilit pumice]

We're still fairly new to our arsenal and capability.
Hence why the lack of master levels people keep bitching about. ID is learning from us on how to make master levels. Much better to observe and challenge than just assume and make challenges unchallenging.

[uneven dragon]

idk Hell on Earth had me locked the fuck in immediately

[merry pumice]

Ok. i remember UN in eternal took me several weeks of grinding.

[honest vortex]

Underrated AF points

[honest vortex]

I think I meant more consistently

But I did like the first mission

[merry pumice]

Eternal’s pacing was great actually. The first mission was fast and succinct

[uneven dragon]

then again Exultia is immediately mid afterwards so ig not

[honest vortex]

Also not big on Cultist Base or DOOM Hunter Base tbh

[merry pumice]

I lost SO many UN runs to cultist tho. whenever I got past it i’d lock t.f. in

[honest vortex]

First mission was good.

Exultia, Cultist Base, and Doom Hunter Base were just.... alright

Super Gore Nest is pretty cool.

Arc Complex is straight up awesome

[merry pumice]

Exultia is mid, cultist base is good but hard, doom hunter base is PEAK

[trim stirrup]

gz! i am on my pandemonium run with nightmare+ settings hehe

[honest vortex]

Resource Operations was a really cool 2nd level I think

[merry pumice]

Only went down to one sigil once. Technically beat the pandemonium difficulty on my first try, aka never lost the save file

goooood luck on yours

[honest vortex]

I love Argent Energy Tower so much and think it's PEAK.

Yeah I said it

Come to think about it. I like basically all 2016 missions

I like most Dark Ages missions too

[lilac swan]

I wish they would go back to using the hell atmosphere with the more yellowish tone, like kadingir sanctum. In my opinion it looks better than the more orange tone.

[honest vortex]

Eternal's a mixed bag in missions
But none of the rest of Eternal's missions really touched Arc Complex or Nekravol to me.

[uneven dragon]

SGN -> Sentinel Prime UNMATCHED RUN

[honest vortex]

Also hottake I really like Sentinel Prime JUST because Gladiator is peak.

I don't care if it's just a boss level.

Gladiator is too cool to pass up

[twilit pumice]

I hate cultist base on a new game on nightmare.
Tight small rooms with barely having your full arsenal whilst dealing with two or three Mancubus at a time.
Yeah, that's a challenge.

[uneven dragon]

aesthetics and buildup is good boss is good both songs are good 🔥

[honest vortex]

I just don't find Cultist Base very interesting in general. Also it's kinda mid aesthetically.

I do like the pit room a lot though, as well as the room with all the cages you can break when you first get the Super Shotgun.

I like the Slayer Gate a lot too

Also the unskippable Revenant section hurts the pacing a lot IMO

[honest vortex]

The music is pretty cool though

[frail bloom]

I will say I did not enjoy the sentinel levels in eternal at all they were very drab, they're done here much better, for obvious reason duh

[honest vortex]

I hated Taras Nabad so much. It's my least favorite level of the whole trilogy

[foggy breach]

The Gladiator is one of the best bosses in Eternal like god damn

[frail bloom]

Ye it's a pile of steamin poo for me but it doesn't detract from the experience overall

[lilac swan]

archvile

[frail bloom]

The archvile should have had a cutscene man, but then he'll like teleport after the cutscene so it still gives yu the "where the heck did he go"

WHY DID HE NOT HAVE A CUTSCENE ARGHGH

[uneven dragon]

FUCK TARAS NABAD BRUH 😭

[frail bloom]

Also guys I just noticed

Whatever happened to that mech factory level we were gonna play in during the reveal trailer for tda, it was showing off the skullcrusher

[lilac swan]

There are several secrets where you have to destroy statues, which you can't find without a guide.

[honest vortex]

It's also aesthetically bland and ugly AF.
I also don't like Meathook that much.

Yeah I said it

[frail bloom]

I am in shock

[honest vortex]

Also not big on Urdak tbh

[lilac swan]

There's still that pain elemental collectible

[frail bloom]

Guys what happened to secret mech level

[honest vortex]

I don't hate Urdak, just think it's kinda boring

[lilac swan]

yes

[frail bloom]

Where did it go

AUGHHGGHHG

[honest vortex]

Final Sin is pretty good, but the boss fight sucks and kills the momentum a bit

[frail bloom]

Nvm

[lilac swan]

the only boss fight that is cool in eternal is the gladiator for me

[uneven dragon]

aesthetics are nice though and it's p short so i don't mind it

[honest vortex]

Eternal levels I like:
Hell on Earth
Arc Complex
Nekravol PT 1 and 2
Super Gore Nest
Final Sin
Sentinel Prime

Eternal missions I don't really like:
Cultist Base
Exultia
Doom Hunter Base
Mars Core
Urdak
Taras Nabad

[uneven dragon]

Super Gore Nest -> Sentinel Prime and UAC Atlantica -> The Holt are the banger stretches of levels

[split gate]

Gladiator was sick as hell

[honest vortex]

Yes I did put Mars Core there

I said it lol

[lilac swan]

Mars Core is my favorite level

[uneven dragon]

Mars Core's last bit is soo bad

[frail bloom]

Aw man I liked cultist base and doom huntrr base it feels cozy to play in during winter with a fireplace

I wonder why

[split gate]

I was so disappointed in the Icon of Sin fight, I thought we were going toe to toe with the guy, but nah, let’s mix it with arena fighting

[frail bloom]

WHERE DID MECH LEVEL GO FROM THE REVEAL TRAILER ARRGHGH

[honest vortex]

I think Mars Core has a cool spectacle and humor to it.

But the encounters feel so weak and empty. Idk

[frail bloom]

IT'S BEEN ON MUH MIND

[uneven dragon]

that's basically how it was in Doom II tho

[honest vortex]

The platforming feels kinda under cooked too. Sorta filler feeling

[frail bloom]

Doesn't make it good lol

[lilac swan]

It's just not more disappointing than the dark lord

[split gate]

True but he was in titan form tho, Eternal for me gave me the expectation of using the mech which was teased in the hub

[frail bloom]

Doom 2's was the biggest mid I've ever seen

[honest vortex]

Hebeth? Or right before?

[uneven dragon]

Hebeth

by that point it's like wrap it upppp

[split gate]

I’m mixed with the Dark Lord fight, I like how it switched arenas but it was clear they planned something much bigger

TDA just feels like a cohesive experience

[frail bloom]

Hmmmm

Not all times tho the jankiness of the cutscene direction was pretty weak, like yu are in one place and end up in another

Why did he even go to hell suddenly?

[lilac swan]

I loved all the boss fights in TDA

[frail bloom]

And why did he leave when he was so close?

[split gate]

I guess a part of it was why they added mech and dragon sections, it allows for breaks in between and keeps the gameplay varied

[frail bloom]

Assrak was right there doomguy

Imma ask @hard thistle

#the-dark-ages message

[honest vortex]

Especially on the Master Level.

That fight drags on FOREEEEVER

[lilac swan]

ahzrak was a much better villain than the dark lord, by far

[honest vortex]

Dark Ages added 2016/Classic style exploration and secrets combined with that to freshen it up

[hard thistle]

What is this referring to?

[lapis vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-archvile-gif-19817628

[uneven dragon]

i feel like we missed what could've been a fun cutscene with the sentinels discussing thira's disappearance

[honest vortex]

I did think it was cool where you fought on Igmore's Sanctum

[frail bloom]

The forsaken plains level, he suddenly goes to hell, and then leaves before he gets to kill ahzrak

[frail bloom]

I feel they are saving a lot for dlc

I still wish we got that intern in the mech chaingun would've been the most charming ever

[hard thistle]

Ahzrak fled Hell. The Slayer is sent in to kill Ahzrak but Ahzrak's already gone because he's planning to fuck up the Sentinel Command Station.

[frail bloom]

Huh I never got that, I just assumed he was in hell but the slayer was pulled out before he could kill him

[hard thistle]

That's why the Ahzrak hologram says "Our time will come."

[spiral cypress]

My doom tda collectors edition arrived 12 hours ago and i cant stop looking at the figure

[lilac swan]

When he said that, I remembered the dark lord

[frail bloom]

Ye Ig bit don't yu think they coulda communicated things a bit better

Like a teensy bit

[hard thistle]

Yeah, they could have.

[frail bloom]

Mhm

[twilit pumice]

I'll need to listen to that song again.
I know it's popular amongst Doom Eternal.

[frail bloom]

Guys meathook is good c'mon

Right?!

Uh oh

[uneven dragon]

i like meathook

[frail bloom]

Never thought I'd live in a time where meathook is disliked

It's just intriguing

Just curious all around

[harsh egret]

i like it as well yh

[lilac swan]

I think it's more because it repeats itself a lot, while other songs barely play, so it ends up getting boring.

[frail bloom]

Hmm

[shrewd mountain]

what yall talking bout

isnt meathook a motif on at dooms gate at a certain point?

[uneven dragon]

im pretty sure only the mighty doom version of meathook has at doom's gate

[shrewd mountain]

i hear it vividly at the second riff

its like a chopped up at dooms gate and i love it

also you guys wanna see what i am getting commissioned?

by the wonderful people at monsontis

[wild rose]

I'm crying

[shrewd mountain]

or person idk

[wild rose]

We almost got to kill titans on foot
#videos

[shrewd mountain]

uh which channel can i post pictures?

screenshots?

artwork idk???

[wild rose]

Yes, #merch-showcase #artwork

Although those could be a bit out of place

[harsh egret]

i think ppl also gotta realise stuff can be cut due to saving stuff for dlc or future games

[wild rose]

Try #screenshots

[fallen notch]

anyone else think the idea of Doomslayer’s shield being a really powerful magnet is funny?

[shrewd mountain]

how do i link it to this?

[wild rose]

I hope so. But it'd be absolutely perfect and bangers to have it against the first titan in the first level. A much better way to start the game

[shrewd mountain]

#merch-showcase message

i am getting D64 demon keys custom made

i love doom 64 so much and i wanted merch of it, but theres absolutely 0 merch for D64

[wild rose]

Looks cool as f

[shrewd mountain]

its more like mjolnir

[harsh egret]

eh i felt like the pacing and overall feel of the first level was perfect imo, having a mini boss battle would be a bit too much too early

[shrewd mountain]

its divine power or sentinel energy, either way its almost magic

[fallen notch]

Yh

[brave leaf]

Time to continue dark ages

Think I'm starting to get used to the new weapon wheel, but it sucks that quick swapping is basically nonexistent now...

[real crater]

weapon wheel is pretty much useless you can bind all the weapon classes without sacrificing any important mechanics

even on controller

[brave leaf]

Wait, how would you do that on controller?

[delicate grotto]

Hugo said he might reduce the swap delay so it’s a little faster.
Not to the levels of 2016 or Eternal, but enough where it feels a little more responsive.

Because honestly it is a bit too slow. Slower than classic Doom honestly.

[real crater]

go to the settings and find where you bind stuff and then get rid of the binds you dont need until you have 6 free buttons for your 6 classes

if you want to switch weapons within a class you can just press the bind again

[brave leaf]

Just realized since there's no weapon mods up on the d-pad is currently useless

[real crater]

you can get rid of the wheel, weapon class swap, sprint (assuming auto sprint is turned on), objective ping, and magnify and there's 2 buttons that are already free before you do any of that

[brave leaf]

Objective ping isn't vital, but still pretty useful if you get lost often

Also how am I just now finding out there's an auto sprint 💀

It's literally in the first menu bro how did I miss it

[twilit pumice]

@frail bloom @honest vortex
Which one is the right Doom Eternal OST?

[brave leaf]

Man it's way smoother not having to open the weapon wheel

[hollow sandal]

If you die in pandemonium does it give the option to not use the sigil? Or does it force you?

[tribal patrol]

forces you, then you have to restart the level

[hollow sandal]

Ok thank you

[solemn matrix]

Can I replay a chapter after I complete it on Ultra Nightmare?

[thin zinc]

is ultra nightmare if you die once the chapter restarts with no sigils or is it the entire campaign?

[solemn matrix]

I get that but after I complete it

[thin zinc]

oh i asking too. im not sure

does the whole campaign restart or just the level?

i cant imagine being on chapter 21 and restarting on one death... i dont even want to attempt that. pandemonium seems possible

Hugo is streaming The Seige Part 1 tomorrow night. I'm actually excited. That's one of the best Doom levels of all time to me.

[placid rock]

just realized no photomode... sadge

[thin zinc]

photo mode in eternal was always in beta and still is

very weird

[placid rock]

it works pretty well idk why they dont move it out of beta

[thin zinc]

yeah Dark Ages needs photo mode, horde mode and weekly/monthly challenges to unlock new skins

i remember playing a ton of eternal just to get the Doom Slayer Santa set. adds a lot of replay value.

[hard thistle]

We need a ✨slay✨ skin

[placid rock]

give me demon skins

[velvet elbow]

Fuck, Hank Hill is dead

[pallid wing]

I have 4 weapons mapped to dpad, 3 more to face buttons (and jump).
Melee left trigger, shield / toss to bumpers. R3 to interact.
It's perfect.
Turn on auto run and turn off screen effects to eliminate the blur.

I think L3 for ping, but it's kinda pointless with the auto map

[versed vector]

I am yet to play this, achievement of a game

[orchid briar]

chat i only need to complete ultra-nightmare and pandemonium for 100%

[solemn matrix]

Now on Chapter 6 on Ultra Nightmare and Continuing on First Play Through 🙂

Break Time 🙂

[orchid briar]

guys will it let me complete the campaign if i decrease the damage to myself?

[brave leaf]

Yes

[orchid briar]

ok thanks

[brave leaf]

You can change any diff setting on any diff and you'll still get the rewards too

Which is questionable 😭
But eh

[solemn matrix]

If I complete the Ultra Nightmare Difficulty do I also unlock the Pandemonium Skin aswell

Like a 2 for 1 deal?

[orchid briar]

i dont think so:(

[solemn matrix]

Lame

[orchid briar]

yea

[random sandal]

some of these skin unlock requirements are insane

[stiff patio]

Both are me and i work somewhere else now

[solemn matrix]

Like what

[orchid briar]

eh its pretty dtandard for DOOM

[random sandal]

buying pizza from a place that is like only in nyc i think

[orchid briar]

standard*

[random sandal]

and having to buy a $2000 dollar gpu bundle

[orchid briar]

oh those ones, yea

[solemn matrix]

Oh I got all the skins legitimately I play on console 🙂 I posted a video in #videos and screenshot of it in #screenshots

[random sandal]

wow even the pizza and 5070 ones?

[solemn matrix]

Yes

[random sandal]

damn

[solemn matrix]

The only thing left is Game Progress ones and the Unreleased Phalanx Skin

[random sandal]

how do you get the phalanx skin? do you know? (when it releases)

[solemn matrix]

No

@random sandal - #videos message and #screenshots message

[random sandal]

oh, the only skins i have are the free one on bethesda, the pre order, the twitch drop skin, and the game completion one

[solemn matrix]

Juvee

[brave leaf]

For real bro 😭

Buy pizza,buy a GPU, subscribe to a drink or something, twitch drop...

[tight finch]

Then why have you the doom guy for profile picture?

[versed vector]

I have all the doom games on my switch

[next oar]

you can only have doom eternal pfp if u played doom the dark ages jeez

Didn't u know

[versed vector]

Sadly you can't play Doom the Dark Ages on switch

[tight finch]

Oh that's fine then

[tight finch]

Yeah it's 70 usd

[versed vector]

Yeah I broke

[tight finch]

I'm not as much broke as I just know when and what too much is

[versed vector]

For real

[obtuse oyster]

hating racial slurs

[covert goblet]

Does anyone else find it comical how small enemies look during the Atlan missions?
(Like, I know. The atlan is like 30 stories, but It looks so funny when walking around, and every heavy demon is just so damn tiny, and I can't help but laugh at that.)

[obtuse oyster]

nah but seriously people eat up ragebait slop like crazy this isn't even a gaming problem it isn't even an internet problem it's become a society problem

[obtuse oyster]

low poly mancubus 🗣️

god damn it I watch the ant man review he''s actually right about some stuff

[warm hawk]

Bob?....

[warm hawk]

Is that you?

[obtuse oyster]

bro sometimes I parry and the hit still registers ffs

can we talk about how stupid it is to have protected demons being able to hitscan you?

[brave leaf]

I think I might actually be stupid
Ancestral forge has me so lost
I'm running in circles

[obtuse oyster]

send SS of the minimap I've beaten the game 3 times 💀

[brave leaf]

Wait hold up I might be on||to|| something

[tight finch]

Touch grass

Then again I almost have all trophies for eternal in 1 week

[obtuse oyster]

I unironically do that and also have a full time job

How I manage idk 💀

[obtuse oyster]

I have everything beaten on UN there 💀

[tight finch]

Nice, I'm 13 but on the 29th I'll be 14 and I'll also be seeing what jobs accept 14 year olds

[tight finch]

W

[obtuse oyster]

yeah and I'm still in the womb 💪

[tight finch]

Crazy 😂

[honest vortex]

It feels like a boneless super repetitive version of The Only Thing They Fear is You thh

[cobalt sapphire]

i like the fact you can go back and "100%" the levels

and that their are 22 of them lol

[brave leaf]

Man I hate morale encounters

[dark thunder]

ok they really need to nerf the ravager its ridiculous

[brave leaf]

Ancestral forge completed

[hard thistle]

Idk why I’m having so much fun with this game

Im just 100% completing every chapter as I go and it surprises me more and more

[brave leaf]

Kreed Maykr is a fatass bro

Gonna blow his guts out when I get the chance

[hard thistle]

Pause

[brave leaf]

Oh sweet new weapon
The rocket launcher returns

[hard thistle]

Spent a whole 30 minutes wondering wtf I was missing being stuck at 99% just to realize challenges also count toward progress… 🤦🏼‍♀️

[brave leaf]

"Leader detected' has got to be the worst popup to see in this game

[gritty matrix]

Siege on nightmare is kicking my ass

[smoky reef]

It's like top 3 moments of the game you get to upgrade something

[delicate grotto]

Yeah the game just gets better and better as you progress. It’s awesome.

[honest vortex]

B-b-buuut....Act Man said the 2nd half is where the game runs out of tricks!!!

[delicate grotto]

Lmao.
Every Doom game ever
Not even a bad thing too. It just builds on its systems more, and it does a great job at doing so. Same with pretty much any other mainline game.
Also, boss fights? Cosmic realm?

[uneven dragon]

it's crazy cause i'm pretty sure everyone else said the 2nd half was the good one 😭

[honest vortex]

Funny enough I thought 2016 and Eternal got stronger during their second half as well

[graceful lion]

like, literally, every doom game has that happen

[graceful lion]

they did, one of the fights before the icon of sin was bonkers

[bold mulch]

I thought they did? Is it still broken?

[dark thunder]

It’s pretty OP, u can kinda mindlessly use it for anything

[smoky reef]

Still broken ngl

But most of the guns are tbh

The shotgun is incredible in any difficulty as well

[bold mulch]

Yeah real, the impaler is the goat during early game nightmare

as long as you can consistently hit headshots your golden

[smoky reef]

In general I like how the guns feel, might feel too overpowered sometimes but I take it for being a tank

[bold mulch]

realio, you definitely feel the weight of the slayer during combat

literally and figuratively considering his thickness causes a shockwave lol

[smoky reef]

Easiest way to see it is literally jumping

Low level demons literally die

[delicate stirrup]

Skull crusher guns look kinda painful TBH

[frank quail]

anyone else has an issue where the main menu wont load and only show black screen?

[tired rock]

The most delusional take from that vid

[vital rapids]

A very small and short moment of off-topic, please don't reply to this so it doesn't give the mods a headache.
It's men's mental health awareness month. Please take the time to just keep an eye out for the bros in your life and see how they're doing. Much love that is all.

[tired rock]

The eldritch horror shit that they convey on the level design, and also the demon's design is my all time favorite

[smoky reef]

❤️ 🫡

[vital rapids]

Cacodemon's interesting. Much nastier

[twilit pumice]

Parrying with Rocket launcher and swap to grenade launcher ftw.
Yes, cannibalism passive does work with grenade launcher. Just need to parry with your rocket launcher occasionally to keep up your cannibalism passive as you use your grenade launcher

[pulsar granite]

Does the rock know Chinese

[twilit pumice]

Does the rock cook shit?

[pulsar granite]

Yes

Bro had a bfg in Doom 3

[smoky reef]

Any small boss with the rocket launcher is literally cooked

[honest vortex]

It's because it says "You've arrived", but 2016 Kadingir Sanctum gave you info of the place and loved how they had testaments due to being scared of the Doomguy.

So that's why Cosmic Realm big bad according to Act Man lol

[astral ravine]

Ok, ngl. I think slower enemy projectiles is actually harder than faster ones

So many wall projectiles that block your bullets linger much longer

[long sparrow]

Slower projectiles + increased projectile damage is a true Doom experience

[astral ravine]

Idk why he says tda has repetitive level designs when 2016 almost has all linear stage designs when the foundry is the only level to give you a sandbox type exploration. And dont get me started on how tedious argent tower's platforming is on repeated playthroughs

[long sparrow]

Who listens to that guy anyways?

[remote thunder]

proj tracking is cool when it's limited to heavies/superheavies, but the fucking fodder have homing shot blocking projectiles too. egregious design choice

[astral ravine]

My most fav tda levels are the wide open areas that allow you to choose which arena fights to do first

[long sparrow]

I am guessing people got too used to the linear ones. I have seen many TDA players critique the open stages, but I legit enjoyed them, they felt fresh and the map gave you options to tackle the encounters in the order you wanted. The secrets were cool to find too.

[honest vortex]

I disagree that Foundry was the only sandbox level

Argent Facility, Argent Facility Destroyed, Resource Operations, Kadingir Sanctum, and even Argent Energy Tower (the map you mentioned) are quite explorative and mazey.

I actually feel Argent Facility (Destroyed) is the most explorative and free form level in 2016. Not Foundry.

Though I do think Dark Ages has the best, most varied, biggest, and most explorative levels of the trilogy.

But 2016 was a lot more explorative, mazey, and sandboxy than Eternal

[north spire]

They only become a problem when you’re someone that obsessively presses tab every time to check for secrets, but the combat itself is fun

[long sparrow]

Agree

[honest vortex]

Yeah Dark Ages is full of Argent Facility/Argent Facility (Destroyed) type maps but even bigger.

I love it

[north spire]

Idk, i feel like the cosmic stuff they pull during the second half is a very cool trick

[tired rock]

I do. Except for THAT DOOM video.

[honest vortex]

Something I always criticized Eternal over 2016, is Eternal had significantly less exploration and way worse secrets compared to 2016.

Dark Ages doubled on it and made it basically the whole game having huge highly explorative multi path maps.

It not only brought back what I loved about 2016 that was sacrificed in Eternal, but made it even better

[tired rock]

Though, all of his takes are very very super safe takes where he would say shit like "Ices are cold and fire are hot" and he would get million fuckin views and bazillion likes and retweet but hey, I like his video presentation and his voice.

[honest vortex]

Yes. Also I love the Pirate ship levels, as well as the "Blood Swamps" type level

[long sparrow]

I did notice that in Eternal as well, a shame really. The exploration was something I always enjoyed in the doom games although maybe I am in the minority here

[honest vortex]

One of the biggest reasons why Eternal's my least favorite of the trilogy.

I rank them:

TDA > 2016 > Eternal

[tired rock]

I rank them TDA = Eternal = 2016

[astral ravine]

Weird that I thought critical drinken would hate it while act man would like it and it turns oht to be the opposite

[honest vortex]

Damn. Nice

[north spire]

Speaking of that, I love how they brought back contextual weapon and platforming placement from 2016. Helps ground things a lot compared to Eternal (it’s really my only issue with that game tbh)

[astral ravine]

Mint blitz still has the best review of the game for me

[long sparrow]

Actually like I do too. I love Eternal's combat and frenetic pace, but I think both TDA and 2016 hit a much better sweet spot between combat and exploration

[astral ravine]

All his comments are on point

[north spire]

me personally, I’d rank em:
Eternal > 2016 = TDA (although 2016 is my personal favourite cause nostalgia and art style)

[tired rock]

It's like picking your favorite kid, man. It's impossible to choose my fav. Ofc some aspects are being executed better in other game like for example; exploration and secret wise are better in TDA and especially 2016 with the retro leve compared to Eternal "safe" approach.

[astral ravine]

I really love the fact that he pointed out why the difficulty sliders drama was such nonsense and that sliders can enhance replayability

I actually 100% agree to that

Im currently playing the game at 150% speed on nightmare and its sweaty as fuck

[long sparrow]

You can make really unique playthroughs with it and customize the experience in many ways. It's a perfect feature and I hope every new Doom game has it

[tired rock]

A very simple version of this would be:
Combat = Eternal>TDA>>>2016
Exploration = 2016 = TDA >> Eternal
Art style = TDA>>>>>>>Eternal=2016

I cannot stop glazing on TDA's art style

Bro, my jaw dropped with the background of each level, it is unreal

[long sparrow]

It's peak, I agree

[north spire]

And then for the soundtrack (imo)
2016 =/> Eternal > TDA (although it does have some really good tracks on occasion)

[north spire]

Best case scenario for the DLC is for Finishing Move Inc. to improve their work based off feedback cause I don’t really feel right saying they should be replaced just because I’m personally very indifferent on some tracks

Although i wouldn’t mind if other composers joined them and got to work on other tracks for certain levels too like Andrew Hulshult or even Geoffrey Day

[random garnet]

Why did they do this to them

[vital rapids]

My only thing is I wish secrets were sometimes a bit more, you know, secret
I know it's a nightmare to work this into the gameplay well (or to sell it to the business if it's content the user might not even see) but I miss secrets you had to really look for

[astral ravine]

they got the metal feeling right but it feels too generic metal. Mick gordon's creativity is immaculate, andrew hulshult adds groovy sections in his compositions coupled with deep, slow beats and thumps for the superheavy sections while david levy hits you balls in the wall with intense synth screams.

[long sparrow]

I have seen people complaining about how some of the TDA's secrets are hard to find. So I am guessing they wouldn't like to have even harder secrets. Very complex exploration can often worsen the pacing experience and many people just choose to ignore them because they rather keep shooting and killing instead of spending 5-10 minutes to find a secret door or something.

[astral ravine]

I am thankful the secrets are what they are because the shadowy sections in a laptop in TDA is just, pitch black

so I can't see an opening beneath the floor or a cave if the map is literally pitch black

I do hope they are going to fix this graphic issues for laptop users

[pulsar granite]

Freakcord

Doom the freaky ages

[orchid rover]

Was Siege ever supposed to be later in the game or a more intense level? Or was the Aggadon Hunter and Rocket Launcher shown there just for marketing promo

[vital rapids]

Did you drop your texture pool size as much as possible? You may have resource issues on your laptop's graphics card

[merry pumice]

the devs should add a challenge for giving 10 flail backshots

[merry pumice]

likely promo. kinda like how there’s no archvile in mars core in eternal

[placid rock]

#artwork made a redesign of doomguy's helmet, thought it looks pretty good for a quick drawing

[inner wigeon]

What is that shield made of????

[vital rapids]

It makes sense, but I still kind of miss that thing from the early id games where you were like... where is it then?

Still, I think you make a fair point

[long sparrow]

Yep and then it turns out there was a hidden door in plan sight or you had to enter the room pretty fast because a secret door closed once you entered...

[placid rock]

its made in snapmap using textures hidden in the game files. the texture for the middle of the shield is actually a marble as it was the only thing that looked close enough to the grittyness of the original shield lol

almost every piece of the shield has a unique texture

#screenshots message

[wild rose]

They know which soundtracks people liked better and the style they need to stick in

[placid rock]

heres a better picture of the shield up close

[wild rose]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/s/Kwzsb87lM4
@hard thistle

[neon perch]

Boo hoo for them, it's a crucial element of level design that's been ever-present in the series since its inception. Layered levels with dozens of secrets and mazes with rewards behind locked doors is a staple that they should've embraced with 2016 and Eternal.

[wild rose]

Who are those 2 last guys? TAG?

[wild rose]

I'm ngl it's true. It's insane how fast my later playthroughs were because I already knew all the secrets. The second cosmic realm level got me some time in the first play

[orchid rover]

I said it yesterday but the game practically screams at you where the secrets are.

[long sparrow]

Yep, first time is always the slowest one

[placid rock]

i still miss them somehow lol

[long sparrow]

ikr, i am guessing they haven't played that much Doom

[placid rock]

ill always forget 1 thing

[wild rose]

Remember in the trailer we had the SSG in the intro of the game. I don't think those are supposed to mean anything about the game development

[neon perch]

I really appreciated the exploration aspect this time around. Been more than a decade since we've had a Doom game with map layouts that stopped the player dead on their track to wonder 'how the FUCK do I open that/get in there'.

[wild rose]

Not when it's some gold in a slope

[neon perch]

If anything my two complaints are, for one, they could've made them yet more intricate and for two, could've brought back automap stations.

The one Doom game in the whole trilogy with actually elaborate exploration and secret hunting and they DON'T have automap terminals. Come on now.

[placid rock]

yeah wasnt the sentinel automaps in de from that time? like they look like the same tech

[wild rose]

I mean automap sections kinda ruin everything. They just ruin the explanation for you

It's almost like a cheat, you get to know where everything is without having to look for it

[placid rock]

well dark ages has the map all layed out as well so its easier than what 2016 and eternal did

[wild rose]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/s/0b9846Xo9g
Is this map in the game? Or they just changed the filter for the Siege mission?

[wild rose]

All layed out? Not really, many secrets just pop up after you're close to them

[placid rock]

i mean the terrain. thats already displayed once you opne the map

[placid rock]

i dont think so. i think that was a testing before they decided to use the turret

[wild rose]

Yeah but not the 10 secrets you have to find in this giant terrain

[wild rose]

So it's an unused map...

[placid rock]

its siege its not unused they just changed it so there wouldnt be a ground fight with the titan

if it was unused then we wouldnt have the mission siege

[wild rose]

I mean we don't have this outside part in Siege 2 where everything is red and dark. This place also feels different than the ones we went in siege 1

[placid rock]

its just how they were rendering the game when testing. theres a lot of in game testing behind the scenes videos that looks like that

[wild rose]

I like how it looks so much lol

[azure ocean]

i had my entire first save slot deleted after i hit "choose later" on the choose save data thing on gamepass version of dark ages

but i kept all my skins and thingies

[placid rock]

yeah cause those are account based

[azure ocean]

so is it just gone forever then

[placid rock]

the save? yes

[azure ocean]

14 chapters for nothing then lol

[placid rock]

once its deleted

[azure ocean]

atleast i get to go back and get more secrets n stuff

[placid rock]

i never seen a choose later option for my xbox for dark ages, thats just weird

[azure ocean]

i got it on pc microsoft store

[placid rock]

wait i thought it was off gamepass?

[azure ocean]

xbox gamepass gives pc gamepass too

[placid rock]

then why buy it from the microsoft store if you have it in gamepass? sorry just a little confusing to me

[azure ocean]

i prefer pc when i play shooter games because the look thing on controller isnt fast enough for me

[placid rock]

ah ok

[azure ocean]

oh i didnt buy it

pc gamepass gives it free also

[placid rock]

well idk how you played through microsoft store to play a gamepass game cause im pretty sure you need the xbox app to play any of the gamepass on pc

[azure ocean]

i have the xbox app

[placid rock]

oh ok

well good luck on trying to get all the secrets. some are really hidden

[azure ocean]

im legit so bummed about my data bro i had a maxed out shield and a near maxed out plasma auto gun

and like 110 armor and 160 health

[placid rock]

well one way to quickly do it is crank the speed to 150% lol

[azure ocean]

fair enough lmao

dark ages is my first doom game so im unfamiliar with it all

i love how the shield makes pinball noises when i throw it through a zillion fodder demons

[pulsar granite]

L

[placid rock]

oh really? interesting to see that. not many new players that play this first

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-mewing-mewing-meme-think-thinking-gif-8986451654826218658

[azure ocean]

i love the shield mechanics so much its like one of the main factors that got me to try it

also the skull gun

[placid rock]

shield is definitely very fun

[pulsar granite]

How can I play as thira

[placid rock]

opt in to the mod loader beta for eternal

only way

[pulsar granite]

Mod loader bugged on Linux

[placid rock]

oof

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-mewing-mewing-meme-think-thinking-gif-8986451654826218658

[smoky reef]

Unlucky

Have searched through reddit/forums for a fix?

[placid rock]

i always found linux to be super not user friendly and just a difficult platform to learn to me especially when i had the steamdeck trying to do pc stuff on there

[pulsar granite]

Skill issue

[placid rock]

toxic

[livid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-guy-doom-the-dark-ages-cute-gif-12753411322836635057

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-mewing-mewing-meme-think-thinking-gif-8986451654826218658

[vital rapids]

Anyone running the game on an rtx pro 6000 blackwell 96gb? I was wondering whether I could use one to achieve 30fps without frame drops in my UE 5 games

[pulsar granite]

Bo

[vital rapids]

Ah, there it is
https://youtu.be/a31mQv40svQ

[pulsar granite]

Aha

[placid rock]

i just see "skill issue" as a excuse for people to be mean and just call people bad at the game. straight up dumb as heck.

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-mewing-mewing-meme-think-thinking-gif-8986451654826218658

[vital rapids]

True. But also it is a skill issue tbf

[pulsar granite]

I meant skill issue at linux

[smoky reef]

Linux diff

[pulsar granite]

Imagine not being able to use linux

[smoky reef]

Debian that's the real 🤝

[vital rapids]

• skill = 9001

• skill = 0

[pulsar granite]

I use arch btw

[placid rock]

it doesnt matter its straight up mean and rude

[vital rapids]

Skill issue

[vital rapids]

Also true

[pulsar granite]

Arch one of hardest distros

[smoky reef]

Arch is fun to use

[wheat sigil]

you'll never see actually good players say skill issue btw

[vital rapids]

No distros are hard. Roll your own man

[placid rock]

plus its not really a skill issue if its based on knowledge of knowing how to work said tech💀

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-mewing-mewing-meme-think-thinking-gif-8986451654826218658

[smoky reef]

That's facts

[vital rapids]

This. In the things I am good at (doom tda isn't one of them lol) I would feel ashamed of demeaning anyone I thought was a novice. If it even occurred to me to do such a lowlife thing

[bronze swallow]

man who felt the need to add turret sections to this game

its not gears of war man 😭😭

[smoky reef]

In what mission are you rn

[bronze swallow]

siege pt 2

[silver sierra]

I just 100% doom dark ages. I gotta say, it's a decent game but perhaps not as good as eternal or 2016

[smoky reef]

Feel ya those turrets are there to bother

[smoky reef]

🫡 Only thing is to enjoy it so if u did

[bronze swallow]

it also makes the titans feel really squishy. like in the lore some of them are insanely powerful but then all it takes is one dude and a minigun to kill one

[silver sierra]

Now I'm thinking about what to play next lol

[smoky reef]

Titans don't feel like actual titans

[bronze swallow]

thats what im saying. they nailed the sense of scale in eternal but it just feels a bit off in TDA

[smoky reef]

Don't get me wrong I like how we kill them you're literally a Killing machine but

[smoky reef]

Might adjust it in the future

[bronze swallow]

and like if turrets can kill titans so easily, why tf did the sentinels even bother with atlans

[placid rock]

cause the turrets are a last line of defence pretty much

[bronze swallow]

yeah but like, just put them at the front

[smoky reef]

XD

If you put them there, 0 sense on having the slayer there

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-unpog-gif-8033619785015707160

[hard thistle]

Yeah I saw this.

[wild rose]

@hard thistle it's said in the codex it was forbidden to pray for the Wraiths, but we have statues and temples of them everywhere in the game and as well people praying. The only Makyr statue I remember is Kreed's

[smoky reef]

Make sense to have multiple dimensions

But wow I wasn't expecting countless tbh

[graceful lion]

becuase it can kill many quickly

and it takes like 20 seconds or more to kill one

meanwhile a titan does so in seconds, and can do it many times against multiple titans

[astral ravine]

Man, I just remembee the slayer gates from eternal and boy do I wish this game has it too. I hope the dlc will add slayer gates-esque fights, aka optional extremely difficult fights

[hard thistle]

The statues and temples are from long ago. I suspect the Maykrs outlawed it but they only enforce the law on paper.

[wild rose]

The thing is, there are still just statues of Wraiths and almost none of Makyrs, it almost seems more like a political relation rather than religious

[hard thistle]

Part of it is TDA just happens not to feature the cities that have Maykr stuff. Eternal shows us them.

[hard thistle]

Atlans are also mobile, can take the fight away from the city

[graceful lion]

that too

point is, using a gigantic several hundred ton piece of metal is alot more useful in destroying flesh than a mouted human sized turret

[wild rose]

No it doesn't. The Slayer does it in seconds. Regular Atlans struggle to kill one titan

[graceful lion]

that was just to make it seem dramatic and fighty my guy, also no, the slayer does not, but the slayer inside of a mech does

[wild rose]

It's also way expensive to build giant robots. If one turret can destroy one so fast, just make 3 for each lol

[wild rose]

I meant the Slayer in an Atlan

[stoic sleet]

The slayer is a better fighter and gameplay

[graceful lion]

did you read what i said

[stoic sleet]

Thats why u kill so many more demons with ur atlan

[wild rose]

That what? Because all the time we see Atlans fighting titans in the map they are getting their asses kicked or just tied

[graceful lion]

again, it is just to make it seem dramatic

[graceful lion]

again, dramatic effect, its not that hard to understand

[stoic sleet]

Also sentinels have a lot worse resistance

[graceful lion]

that has nothing to do with anything

[stoic sleet]

And impact to the mech will hurt a normal sentinel than the slayer

[lilac swan]

There are parts where they look much smaller in the background, and other parts where they look much larger.

[graceful lion]

i dont think its supposed to hurt you, that would make it overtly complicated for no reason, its not a simulation ,it is a war

[wild rose]

There's absolutely no proof of "one Atlan kill many", and you can't ignore all the proofs in the game saying they are just dramatic effects

[graceful lion]

oh my god

[wild rose]

I mean he's right. The Atlan that gets thrown into the fortress stops fighting but then later on the Slayer uses it, which means it was still working the Sentinel inside just died

[stoic sleet]

To be fair tho the titan and mech battling forever is most likely to make the background look cooler

[wild rose]

Yes it's called perspective. What does it have to do with their effectiveness?

[graceful lion]

stop ur making his point seem worse than it already is

[vital rapids]

Your gameplay is meant to be the primary representation of the Slayer's power in this game tbh

[stoic sleet]

We argue over the most pointless shit

[graceful lion]

true

[wild rose]

Indeed. What does it have to do with every Sentinel we see sucking?

[graceful lion]

clearly the argent keep producing and relying on atlans because they fucking work, its just that hell really got their forces up this time around, and the slayer was the only person nearby

[wild rose]

Dude's just making a fair statement wtf

[graceful lion]

*who could control one

[main forge]

Guys, do you think DTA would have a discount on June 26

[lilac swan]

I'm just including how they act on the map and the size difference

[graceful lion]

im saying hes right brother

[wild rose]

I'm just pointing it's incoherent how easy turrets can kill a kaiju just because the Slayer is on it. Anyone can use one, you don't need god powers for that

[graceful lion]

same with the atlan, lmao

[pulsar granite]

The sentinels are ass at using things that's why

They probably miss 90% of the bolts

[lilac swan]

well trained army

[wild rose]

The thing is, it'd be more effective if they just slapped those around the entire fortress. If one can kill a titan so easily, put it 3 for each. I mean making giant robots is hard

[pulsar granite]

It's not

[stoic sleet]

No the sentinels dont have a built in dot to aim with

[graceful lion]

wdym not, they literally are well trained soldiers

[vital rapids]

Everything the Slayer does is pretty much OP, and this includes shooting demons with guns. This much is observable, but I don't think there is an explicit explanation of why or how the Slayer's powers do this in the lore

[wild rose]

They also suck in a mech, and the titans do as well. I always stare at the fight we see in the second mission how the titan put an Atlan down and just keep looking at him getting up waiting to get hit. Like wtf finish him

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

[pulsar granite]

Holy shit king nokiv sucks at atlan mech

[graceful lion]

we literally only saw him fight once, and it was by shoulder canoning a titan

[wild rose]

I mean he was the only one we saw killing a titan. Idk why you say this

[pulsar granite]

All the titans doomguy killed

[lilac swan]

In Eternal you always see an Atlan destroying a Titan in the background, in TDA it's the opposite

[graceful lion]

it is to signify that the war against the argent is being lost, demons are reigning supreme

[pulsar granite]

In tda we see fight between a titan and a mech in the background... Like holy shit just kill him already

[wild rose]

Their tech probably got better with the millions of years. They also got spears there

[graceful lion]

in eternal it was to signify that the war on hell is being stopped, and hell is losing greatly, in tda. its to signify that the argents are nearly hopeless

[vital rapids]

The fight is more desperate. One on one an f22 will dominate an old mig, but during a successful mass invasion story you would expect to see them being taken down, maybe those Atlans are fighting their 10th titan

[graceful lion]

i dont think its due to "bad soldiers", i think its due to "untrained soldiers due to a lack of training because they need defenses somehow"

[bold mulch]

i think the sentinels seeming weak is partly the doomguy effect of it being hard to seem useful compared to him but yeah please can we see novik or valen or thira or anyone kick serious ass in dlc

[pulsar granite]

Thira gonna die

[stoic sleet]

D:

[pulsar granite]

Hell no only valen survived

[graceful lion]

not confirmed by anyone official btw, you're just talking out of your ass

[pulsar granite]

It's a prediction

[graceful lion]

i see

[bold mulch]

wish she was introduced sooner, it would be hype if she was a broken war torn sorrowful queen in eternal

[wild rose]

Ngl it sucks how Sentinels are just gun soldiers now. I thought of them more as soldiers using different weapons

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

[wild rose]

Shields and axes like the Marauders

[lilac swan]

I wanted to know if Valen's betrayal will happen in the DLC

[bold mulch]

green armor sentinels with melee weapons are better yeah

[bold mulch]

here's hoping

[hazy tulip]

Probably the only doom game with a upbeat ending

[vital rapids]

Thira should die, resurrect become immortal

[pulsar granite]

If valen betrayed then why does the slayer still trust is he stupid

[graceful lion]

these are Night Sentinels, people who were trained by valen and fought with doomguy, like the very elite soldiers

[wild rose]

Even in the Argent Dnur mission the titans and Atlans are in poses the Atlans were winning, and they do have different designs and weapons. So they probably got better

[bold mulch]

for now, honestly tda makes me a lil sad because i really like all the characters but i know the sentinels don't have a very happy ending

[hazy tulip]

No idea how the demons treated her like a antique lol she came back without a scratch

[lilac swan]

Maybe she will become a spirit like Novik

[graceful lion]

he gave his son's heart to the maykrs, its not like he killed anyone

[wild rose]

I thought everyone was a Night Sentinel, I mean at least using that armor.

[pulsar granite]

Valen is abuser

[graceful lion]

no, theres sentinels and night sentinels

[graceful lion]

he did not want his loved one to die

[pulsar granite]

Abusive

[vital rapids]

Controlling

[graceful lion]

i mean, its not really something insane, if you lost your son, you would want a way to get him back too, especially if it seemed like an unjust way of death

[pulsar granite]

Chat if doomguy is so good where is doomguy 2

[bold mulch]

valen is tragic, i will die on this hill he made a mistake in a moment of greif, yes it was a terrible but he freaking lost it after the death of his son

[stoic sleet]

I killed Valens son >:D

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-angry-tails-tails-gif-6141291503752186395

[bold mulch]

good question

[wild rose]

Does the night sentinels use this same suit as well?

#screenshots

[pulsar granite]

I watched thira die

[stoic sleet]

Are sentinels the race as a whole and night sentinels are the soldiers?

[graceful lion]

clearly not, something like the marauder's suits or valen's suit

[wild rose]

To the demons*

[pulsar granite]

If night sentinels exist where are day sentinels

[graceful lion]

Argents are the race, sentinels are soldiers

[graceful lion]

no, to the maykrs, how did the khan get ahold of it?

[wild rose]

But in the first games the night sentinels are portrayed with this regular knight armor

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-jane-ded-lol-gif-26497687

[graceful lion]

@hard thistle who did valen give his son's heart to? was it demons or maykrs?

[lilac swan]

There are other types of sentinel armors too, they are only seen in Immora, which were reused as armor from Doom 2016 multiplayer

[graceful lion]

where

[wild rose]

Because the demons gave it to them in their deal? I was sure the torment he suffered had something to do with hell

[pulsar granite]

He gave it to Mohammed Ayman Abdul Aziz Gad

[bold mulch]

that's something i've been wondering, if we ever get a doom 2016 remaster (which i'm not sure would be a great idea lol) we should get the green dudes

[stoic sleet]

Why would the maykrs try and ressurect the icon of sin at this poiny

[graceful lion]

ah it seems some of them have normal armor aswell

[wild rose]

We see their holograms/ghosts there referred as night sentinels

[hard thistle]

Valen didn't really give the heart physically. He was manipulated into making a deal with Deag Grav, who had revealed his allegiance with Hell and promised Marok would be brought back to life.

[south haven]

Why are we arguing about lore and story its a doom game who tf cares

[pulsar granite]

Have kreed and khan fucked

[hollow sonnet]

Ok question for y’all because I heavily believe this, so I wanna see if people agree

[wild rose]

I mean that's just the color of their ghosts. I don't think it's supposed to mean anything

[stoic sleet]

Bro the poor khan

[bold mulch]

i care

[hollow sonnet]

Making the parry window less forgiving makes the game way better - yay or nay

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/khan-maykr-maykr-moth-cthulhu-doom-gif-17200394738515341526

[graceful lion]

stop speaking

[bold mulch]

no i mean like the marauder style night sentinels

[graceful lion]

for your own good

[stoic sleet]

The khan is a asshole but I wouldnt wish fucking the kreed on my worst enemy

[bold mulch]

the one who have green armor

[pulsar granite]

All I did was ask a question chill

[pulsar granite]

Then why does he says oh thank the khan

[hollow sonnet]

I was kinda hoping we’d see the guy who turned into the marauder (is there only one?). Did we? And I missed it?

[stoic sleet]

No idea

[hard thistle]

Evdiently the Doom developers do..

[wild rose]

So he just intermediated a deal with hell? And Valen knew it fully

[pulsar granite]

Kreed and khan must be related in a way

[stoic sleet]

We care

[south haven]

The whole point of the story is to ignore it and blast demons, the main character literally groans when some crappy story is pushed in his face. "Rip and tear", thats the whole story.

[hollow sonnet]

The lore is cool even if it is…messy

[hard thistle]

Likely, yes. The Codex says Valen did this in a "stroke of madness."

[pulsar granite]

Destroys shit to make Samuel Hayden stfu

[graceful lion]

tda's story was very well made, idk what ur on about

[bold mulch]

realio, if we ever get a night sentinel protagonist i'd like to see a moment of division and distrust within their ranks

[stoic sleet]

Gang sybau u just came and started being an rude

The story is interesting

[pulsar granite]

I skipped all cutscenes so idk what happened in tda

[hollow sonnet]

Can someone explain to me the difference between the khan and kreed in rank btw?

[hard thistle]

The protagonist outright engages with the story in at several points in all three games.

[graceful lion]

ignoring doom's story is ignoring part of the fun

[bold mulch]

thank god someone said that, TDAs story knocked it out of the park and i'm tired of pretending it didn't

[pulsar granite]

Kahn is ofc higher as kreed says oh thank the khan

[graceful lion]

||the dragon fucking dies||

[hollow sonnet]

Musta missed that line

[pulsar granite]

I knew that already

[wild rose]

But it's crazy how they can revive such powerful demons by a deal with desperate people. Like, there are so many of those on Earth, you'd think they'd be able to farm deals to create absurd demons

[stoic sleet]

And also you missed peak

[bold mulch]

yeah you did

[pulsar granite]

He says it if you die to him sometimes

[hollow sonnet]

NOOOO SPOILER IT GDI I HAVENT GOTTEN THERE

[graceful lion]

the slayer gets un mind controlled

[stoic sleet]

Ahzrak gets his skull bashed in by a flail

[hollow sonnet]

Oh I didn’t die to him lol

[stoic sleet]

And his decapitated head is thrown into a crowd

[graceful lion]

im kidding ofc id software worked alot on the dragon, he aint dead

[hollow sonnet]

Bro is just straight up spoiling the game :/

[lilac swan]

I will send a picture of a sentinel armor that is only seen in immora in #screenshots

[stoic sleet]

I didnt see ur thing

[pulsar granite]

Whose head

[hollow sonnet]

Thank fuck I love that stupid lizard that he strapped motorcycle wings to

[stoic sleet]

My bad dude

[bold mulch]

i think i've seen it but yeah sure

[stoic sleet]

The kreed maykrs dude clearly mate

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[hollow sonnet]

The dragon is so funny to me. I think?? It was a real dragon at one point??

[south haven]

was it REALLY though? like yeah, i guess it servers its purpose, but its a doom game the story isnt supposed to be indepth and it certainly isnt here

[hard thistle]

I would presume there are limitations. Part of it is Hell only makes these deals with people in power. Olivia and Betruger were high-ranking scientists who had a lot of authority in their respective UACs, and Valen was a legendary warrior and one of the top Night Sentinels.
I don't think Hell has much to gain from making a deal with some random-ass farmer who they could maybe manipulate into killing his wife or something. That's just murder for the sake of it. Hell has to think bigger.

[graceful lion]

im not /j im /srs

[bold mulch]

serrats codex is great read it

[pulsar granite]

Fake

[hazy tulip]

why do people keep skipping cutscenes tf

[hollow sonnet]

To me it just looks like the dude took a giant lizard and slapped wings and a motorcycle thing to it and it’s so funny

[lilac swan]

Yes

[hard thistle]

TDA's story was by far the best of the series.

[hollow sonnet]

I did read it but I was also exhausted from work

[pulsar granite]

Cuz they don't care about the story and just wanna kill demons

[graceful lion]

literally 90% of the context btw

[hazy tulip]

tda the only one with a story really lol

[bold mulch]

doom fans are impossible to write for istg

no shade

[hazy tulip]

doom 2016 has some story but doom eternal cant remember any

[graceful lion]

why did they make the first playthroug have skippable cutscenes

[pulsar granite]

In eternal there is Mohammed Ayman Abdul Aziz Gad

[south haven]

but why does that matter? its still just very average and its supposed to be, its not trying to be some insanely emptional well written deep story, its just boom boom action time

[hazy tulip]

there was a cutscene when u first go to hell which made me crash every single time

[south haven]

why would they remove choice from people

[wild rose]

I mean couldn't they make this farmer make a deal so he'd give them his sons heart similarly?

Also who is Betruger?

[hollow sonnet]

The dark ages has grown on me immensely. The only thing that is absolutely ass about it is the damn soundtrack

[pulsar granite]

Oh god no they shouldn't have made them unskippable

[hazy tulip]

so had to watch on youtube

[stoic sleet]

Hell is the type of place to say “I will remove all your stress right now” and instead of using their power to make his life better they kill his baby

[pulsar granite]

The doom 3 villain

[hard thistle]

You are not a Doom developer and it is in fact not "supposed to be." They have explicitly been intending to create a Doom universe and narrative with in-depth lore for years. You not caring about it does not mean the developers don't.

[south haven]

the soundtrack is absolutely amazing, all of you would be praising it but just wanna bandwagon the drama with the previous music man

[pulsar granite]

Does bro think only his opinion matters?

[south haven]

i guess there is lore yeah, but story? reaaally? what character goes through an arc

[graceful lion]

alot of people think the soundtrack is great, what are you on about

[bold mulch]

also many of us do, dark ages is everything i was hoping for and more, you may not care but i do

[hollow sonnet]

No, no I don’t. I’m a professional musician and music teacher actually and the soundtrack is generic and while it fits, it’s unoriginal and feels like they just copped out with it

[hard thistle]

• The Slayer
• The Seraphim
• Ahzrak
• The Kreed Maykr
• Valen

[graceful lion]

and also mick gordon said to play the game

[pulsar granite]

YOU CAN'T FUCKING HEAR IT 😭

[hollow sonnet]

Yeah, I wish Mick Gordon did it. Because he was great at it

[hazy tulip]

since doom eternal came out the average fans age went from 16-20 to 13-15 😭

[hollow sonnet]

I think it’s fine but it’s also a MASSIVE downgrade

[graceful lion]

so basically alot of important characters

[south haven]

ok some people are lost causes, play expedition 33 if you want a good story, its a doom game

[hard thistle]

1. We can presume not just anyone's soul will work. Marok was an exceptional warrior even stronger than his father.
2. Betruger was the main villain of Doom 3, a high-ranking UAC researcher who Hell took a liking to.

[stoic sleet]

It’s heavy metal and sounds badass thats good enough

[hollow sonnet]

Like it’s not a BAD soundtrack but it’s also not what it could’ve been and nowhere near the last games

[stoic sleet]

Mick is overrated

[hazy tulip]

Infernal Chasm sounds just like Mick Gordon

[bold mulch]

i don't get how doom game = mid story but ok

[wild rose]

Did they use Betruger to ressurect a demon like Mastermind or Icon?

[hollow sonnet]

Why?

[lilac swan]

There's the demonic Trooper in Immora too, which is reused from Doom 2016 multiplayer armor with the reaper gun reused as well, same thing with this sentinel armor

[hard thistle]

You're trying to discourage me from liking and praising the Doom games because the thing I really like about the games is something you happen not to care about.
You are an idiot.

[pulsar granite]

Betruger already died before 2016 so

[bold mulch]

hype and aura and a good story can coexist

[stoic sleet]

Bcs even if u rlly love his music hes STILL wanked beyond repair

[hollow sonnet]

Mick is a master of what he does, there’s a reason that he won awards for it and it’s so highly held

[hazy tulip]

because hes ragebaiting

[hollow sonnet]

What does “wanked beyond repair” mean

[hard thistle]

Betruger willingly made a deal and was used to create the physical form of the Maledict, much like Olivia Pierce and the Spider Mastermind. He seemed to enjoy it much more than Olivia.

[pulsar granite]

Because classic doom ost was also doom, not just mick is allowed to be doom

[graceful lion]

people say hes better than everything

[wild rose]

I guess Olivia didn't know that was going to be her fate right?

[stoic sleet]

Mick is just constantly wanked is what im saying

[south haven]

the whole point is to have an excuse to shoot stuff, this is like watching transformers and thinking it has an amazing story. its not supposed to have one and its ok it doesnt have one, this is like claiming mario games have good stories

[stoic sleet]

Some ppl say DOOM isnt DOOM without mick

[pulsar granite]

Classic doom:

[hollow sonnet]

The soundtrack is generic and nowhere near the quality of the other games. Yeah, it’s fine, but in the context of what already exists? It blows. Context matters. Doesn’t matter if Mick is overblown, didn’t even have to be Mick - it just deserved to be BETTER.

[stoic sleet]

Like what?

[hard thistle]

Olivia was promised she would ascend to become a "god." The whole thing was framed as an escape from her chronic pain.

[south haven]

some people like to eat hardboiled eggs

[pulsar granite]

Classic doom ost > mick Gordon fight me bitch

[south haven]

the music in TDA is absolutely fantastic. People just shit on it cause of mick.

[hollow sonnet]

IMO the soundtrack of the last two games really elevated the experience and this one just is kinda. There.

[hard thistle]

I can't imagine being so miserable that I see other people enjoying things and have to convince them not to enjoy them just because they're enjoying it differently from how I'm enjoying it. That's insane. You must be real fun at parties.

[wild rose]

Some people also say Doom isn't Doom without glory kills. People nowadays just don't know Doom existed before 2016

[stoic sleet]

Real

[bold mulch]

i don't mean to be harsh that's such a weak and simple minded excuse, mindsets like this make content actively worse, it sends the message that traditionally cool things can be lazy about the writing, seriously shame on you

[south haven]

bro dropped a "LET US HAVE FUN" like cmon thats not what i was even saying jesus

[graceful lion]

wait it did!?!!/1

[pulsar granite]

Lowkey the doom 3 menu theme is better than every mick Gordon ost combined

[stoic sleet]

Like I KNOW mick was great but hes so overrated

[hard thistle]

You actually literally told me to play a different game if I want a good story, in response to me saying TDA had a good story. You did in fact say this.