the-dark-ages

[fluid zephyr]

yo can anyone help me with alt tabbing problem

[frail bloom]

Ye what is it

That sounds good tho

[fluid zephyr]

I have problem, whenever i alt tab the game freezes. Same with pressing my mouse button on another screen. The game freeze's completely even if its borderless or anything else

[frail bloom]

But but what happened

[real rampart]

if you are on an nvidia, rollback the driver and ignore the driver message

[frail bloom]

Uhhh what is this saying

Could yu give me the neck-safety translation

[fluid zephyr]

im on radeon

[frail bloom]

NO

Alr

Well it says like nothin

Ye that like says nothing

Close enough

[real crater]

lmg could stand for light machine gun

large maykr guy

he probably needs it since he's so weak in the fight

[stuck geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMrjXW0DxXQ
One of the more underrated moments
one detail people miss about this scene is how the Slayer was drastically increasing in strength, you could literally see his determination to get out there to save the sentinel town give him strength, classic hero moment.
from 35-34% it took 4
from 34-33% it took 3
from 33-32% it took 1
I found that cool as a detail.

[hard thistle]

If he just hit everything with maximum power there’d be less aura
He’s aura farming

[stuck geode]

lowkey Makyr drones don't even deserve all that hate, bro legit just did his job and now he gotta deal with this rage filled demigod, wanting out, I would have that face too 💀
also yeah his punches progressively get harder to the point that 1 punch takes down a percent of the shield, when he initially started with 5.
Slayer is a classic hero, like He Man type shit, its just people don't know that because he has gore in his series, but without the gore this is Superman, He Man, just a beacon of safety.

[hard thistle]

Always just strong enough to win

Don’t the drones have blood?

[stuck geode]

I feel like Makyrs don't even need that much strength tho
outside of the makyr warriors like the corrupted blood Makyrs
I mean Makyrs are canonically ethereal, at least to weapons in this realm, ion really see the need for it.

yeah but I presume its another fellow strange being, rather than the mortals they overlook.
considering Urdak, kind of oversees all of that.

[hard thistle]

I’m sorry and I don’t mean to be a troll. But I cannot get behind this lore lol. Ancestral forge, abyssal forest, this god of war Norse influence is in way too many games lol. And thira just on the radio ever few hours with a comment “hundreds died in this mine” “my ancestors built this”… so cringe lol

[real crater]

best time for doom lore is when the only reason doomguy killed demons is bunny dead

[stuck geode]

you don't like the talk of ancestors?

[hard thistle]

Nah I know what you’re saying but I disagree. I think in eternal even though the lore and mission is simplistic like “acquire the fathers life stone” the sci fi aspect of it made it mysterious and even the codex’s about the sentinels made me interested kind of but now seeing them in game it’s not intriguing at all lol

[hard thistle]

I hate the word ancestral so much lmao

[pallid wing]

Can't wait for the update. Gunna replay this game with all sorts of weird sliders.

[shrewd mountain]

wait are you guys translating makyr writing?

pls show the start

or reply to it so i can see

yes

i didnt know the makyr language was real i thought it was gibberish

i wanna learn makyr language

[real crater]

wait until you learn its all a lie

[shrewd mountain]

i wonder if sentinel language is translatable or not

[real crater]

the blue key is a whole rabbit hole of secrets in resurrection i dont know whether to love it or hate it

ive decided to hate it since theres a komodo essence upgrade

[stuck geode]

Thats the big twist, Davoth was the actual material god, everything else happened, the scale of the events was real, it was a very cosmic and mythical in its scope.

but yes the Makyr language is translateable.

[frail bloom]

When is someone gonna make a tda mod in classic doom, I'm dying to play one on the kex port

With a friend

[stuck geode]

Samur over here actually learned that shit, which is crazy, I'm willing to do alot of stuff for lore, but a whole other language is insane.
mad respect.

[real crater]

that would be a pretty hefty mod

[frail bloom]

Nah they could use uhh mbf21 or whatever it was that allowed yu to customize the game more

[hard thistle]

What do the dogs spirits represent?

[lean rapids]

ggs almost just lost a fucking UN run on chapter 20 because my shield was bugged and i couldnt block the cosmic baron

[stuck geode]

alpha maleness

[hard thistle]

Dog spirits*

[lament lotus]

They were spiritual guides, according to Eternal.

[real crater]

why is resurrection so big

colossal ass level

[shrewd mountain]

ok off topic but why are like 0 people on youtube playing dark ages

i mean the big names that played during eternal

[lament lotus]

I mean if we're talking the rough outline of the level design it's probably doable

[shrewd mountain]

jackepticeye made like, 3 episodes then stopped for a week

markiplier hasnt even touched it yet

[real crater]

why did they spawn a caco then have a cosmic baron spawn in when hes halfway dead

[shrewd mountain]

wheres my dark ages reactions 🙏

[real crater]

im gonna personally march to id software and ask them this question

because genuinely what the fuck

im 56 minutes away from having 24 hours on doom the dark ages

i know thats low compared to a lot of you but im still proud of it

[karmic dagger]

Cant even play anymore

[tired rock]

I turned off the music and put on some jazz like John Coltrane, surprisingly fits

[stuck geode]

revalations young samur?

[hard thistle]

Ey what in the tarnation kinda break throughs are happening in here

[stuck geode]

light of davoth?(I mean the devil is referred to as a light bringer in myth)

[real crater]

diy soundtracking is op in this game

[tired rock]

Exactly

[wide prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-gif-11692212659956679229

[tired rock]

Well, if I were to actually replace it with some metal, try pairing it with Meshuggah

[stuck geode]

supermario galaxy 2 baby

[real crater]

i tried some melodic death metal and it worked good

a lot of it is kinda medieval sounding so it works with tda's aesthetic you just gotta get used to having vocals in the music

[fleet spruce]

personally I'm fan of instrumental music

[honest vortex]

Damn even Maximilian Dood is mixed on Dark Ages

[fleet spruce]

Oh it's that guy who got destroyed by random ass Slayer in GGXrd

[real crater]

instrumental music can be wonderous

[honest vortex]

It's so funny how Hugo Martin goes "we haven't made our best DOOM game" during the Eternal days....

But then Proceeds to make the most hated, mixed opinions, and divisive DOOM game since DOOM 3

Also LOTS of lukewarm reception, just like DOOM 3

[real crater]

which one is the divisive one eternal or dark ages

[fleet spruce]

both

[honest vortex]

Though at this point, people have kinda came around a bit to DOOM 3 in recent times.

So tbh, it almost feels like even Doom 3 has a more positive, or atleast less divisive reception than Dark Ages at this point

[honest vortex]

Dark Ages

[real crater]

maybe i just need to get used to the playstyle but doom 3 just isnt my thing

im not even thinking of it as a doom game even when i think of it as just a game it isnt good

[honest vortex]

I liked Resurrection of Evil but not really anything else about Doom 3

[honest vortex]

I loved the Plasma Rifle, BFG, and the DLC exclusive SSG.

I also think it has the coolest Hell missions.

But overall, it's just.... decent. A bit rough though.

[stuck geode]

Its divisive the same way the people who don't like it make there opinion very much known

statistically, it is overwhelmingly well recieved.

like by actual percentage of favorability, theres very little change compared to the other entries.

when we talk about active dislike for the game this is a very very specific subsection of the audience.

[fleet spruce]

The doom 2016 2 and doom eternal 2 camps

[honest vortex]

I guess. Lowest Steam ratings out of modern DOOM. Lowest critic ratings out of modern DOOM

Basically every YouTuber and even people on r/DOOM ever think Dark Ages is by far the weakest modern DOOM game and doesn't hold a candle to Eternal or even 2016.

Also basically everyone on YouTube seems to have a mixed or lukewarm opinion about the game

[real crater]

well ive kinda forgotten how to even play the other 2 nudoom games so im inclined to say the dark ages is the best experience

[honest vortex]

Even Maximilian Dood is mixed on Dark Ages and Hmmmp straight up dislikes the game.

[honest vortex]

Dark Ages is my favorite too. Nice to see someone who doesn't think it's the most "middling" DOOM.

[frail bloom]

This is just doom 64 again give it like 5 yrs opinion will change

[real crater]

i mean once i get back into eternal it'll probably start slowly climbing back to the top but for now

[honest vortex]

The game is definitely extremely divisive and has very mixed opinions.

And I would say the general consensus is that it's the weakest of the new trilogy and ain't even close

[fleet spruce]

https://youtu.be/Kogh458wMdM?si=MFFnjTspjA7JAKBW

[honest vortex]

I don't play that series, so idk what this really means lol

[fleet spruce]

I simply wouldn't consider opinion of someone who made such basic ass mistakes against one of the worst characters in the game lmao

[stuck geode]

again, its a well recieved game
it may not be as critically acclaimed as Eternal, or seen as universally complete as 2016.
but Its still well recieved.

[honest vortex]

Doubt.

Even from the beginning, Eternal had an 88 metacritic and noticeably higher Steam ratings.

Dark Ages has 85 and the Steam score ain't even in the 9s

[placid rock]

eternal straight up sucked

completely rushed arcade game

[honest vortex]

While I'm not big on Eternal either. I feel like this is satire or something considering the pfp of Eternal Slayer modded with Davoth armor

[frail bloom]

I'm not talking abt ratings I'm talking abt opinions, the official reviews can't change but opinion can

[placid rock]

well i may hate doom eternal, i love the art thats in it

[honest vortex]

Oh I see.

[real crater]

once you start to really get with the combat loop it becomes much better

[honest vortex]

I think the point I was trying to make is Dark Ages is much more divisive than even Eternal was at launch.

Much more

[real crater]

if you dont like having to play a specific way to be good at a game then thats totally understandable but this was just my case

[frail bloom]

So was 64?

[honest vortex]

I'd still say it's "mixed reception", rather than "well received"

[frail bloom]

I don't think it was as well received as doom 1 and 2 but is loved now

[honest vortex]

And 64 is still most people's 2nd least favorite DOOM game only beating DOOM 3

[frail bloom]

Well I say!

[fleet spruce]

I don't think we have ever had a bad Doom game so far, they're just consistently different experiences with each new entry

[real crater]

i dont really remember much from doom 64 a lot of the levels blend together

[placid rock]

i mastered that game loop which took me 2 months to beat on ultra nightmare... straight up believe they should erase doom eternal and redo it for how terrible it is on a whole. it deserved a much better finale for the dark lord war

[honest vortex]

Dark Ages I think is generally seen more as "middling" or "average" or atleast mixed opinions rather than "bad".

Same for Doom 3

[honest vortex]

Dark Lord was beyond abhorrent, yes

[fleet spruce]

Watch in 5 years videos pop up "You have been sleeping on Doom TDA!" and so on

[stuck geode]

didn't Dark Ages get like 7/10's on most review sites and on steam
thats good reception, not at all mixed.

[lean patio]

does anyone have a fix for the game freezing while loading on launch? ive reinstalled drivers, reinstalled the games, and done everything the faq guide reccomends that i could find relating to my issue

[real crater]

maybe everyones brain is fried from playing doom eternal

[placid rock]

i found doom 3 better than theoriginals cause it provided a better experience to how the demons worked and how the invasion first began in doomguy"S life. it may not be canon but its technicly a reboot meaning that first mission is the litteral first day of demons

[frail bloom]

I saw 9 on steam tho

[honest vortex]

I seen so much "Dark Ages is ...fine I guess"

Like people seem very .... indifferent to Dark Ages.

Very lukewarm.

That's unheard of, for DOOM

[placid rock]

tbh i think people hate dark ages for the complete wrong reasons

they hate it acting like it isnt doom when it 100% is

[stuck geode]

again, statistically this is a small subsection

[real crater]

they might see it as a more traditional playstyle especially with the emphasis on the shield mechanic compared to the previous 2 games

[stuck geode]

like, you have to think of things in terms of percentage.

[honest vortex]

The only people I see praise Dark Ages as "amazing" is the DOOM groups on Facebook.

The Facebook groups like Dark Ages even more than 2016 and Eternal

Also this chat calls Dark Ages "awesome" too, but tbf it makes sense.

This is the Dark Ages server, so it's going to be biased

[real crater]

shield + medieval environment is a very common combo in video games so it may come off as trying to be more commercial to some people even though it kinda has to be that way due to the place it's in within the timeline

[fleet spruce]

There are in fact people who dislike it in this server

[honest vortex]

Tbh I think the way Dark Ages did it was very unique and fresh.

Especially since we have guns and Sci-Fi mixed in

[honest vortex]

I mean there's people who dislike any of the games in all the servers

[real crater]

that's true im just trying to step in the shoes of the people who dislike it or at least like it less than the rest of the trilogy

[placid rock]

i like dark ages more than eternal but i still consider doom 2016 the best dut to how much content it had compared to the other two, 4 game modes including a mode that lets you create anything (i have images posted proving so) and a awesome multipayer mode that had tons of customization and unlockables and all the cool experiences doom 2016 gave in terms of level deisign, world design, and lore design, straight up still was a rushed game to be clear but it straight up rocked and still rocks to this day

[stuck geode]

"I see" "groups on facebook"
Your just seeing more negativity then actually exists
yes there is a legit portion of the fanbase that does not like this game
the majority of people who played it, liked it.
its just not badly recieved.
Like you have to think in terms of numbers.

[lavish kindle]

Having to redo all of the collectible/currency pick ups after a Pandemonium death is insult to injury imo. Feels like they mistook tedium for challenge.

[final dune]

I did it

[honest vortex]

Yoooooo. I agree (even though Dark Ages is my favorite, not 2016)

[final dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/978076411686432780/1378545684713832568/20EAC01.png?ex=683cfe37&is=683bacb7&hm=ac80b3b29e76d85368e835aa07e6cf56bdb6888f858bb1f060bd6fb506043712&

[willow beacon]

Wdym a mode that lets you create anything?

[placid rock]

SNAPMAP!!!!

[honest vortex]

SnapMaps

[fleet spruce]

Snapmap

[willow beacon]

Ok cool

[fleet spruce]

Think of Forge from Halo

[lavish kindle]

except way worse lmao

[placid rock]

i will fight till my last breath fighting for snapmap i swear

[honest vortex]

Except SnapMaps is better at making like Custom campaigns.

Forge is better at making Multiplayer maps

[placid rock]

like being able to make a replice of the shield saw is just nuts to do in a game thats before the current one

[frail bloom]

If snap map allowed yu to customize demons, I would play snapmap till the day I died

[honest vortex]

Depends if you want PVP or PVE.

Personally I'm more of a campaign rather than multiplayer guy, so I like SnapMaps significantly more than Forge.

[frail bloom]

Imagine the 2016 baron with a classic baron head as a cosmetic choice

[placid rock]

YOU CAN! theres a tool that lets you edit more

[frail bloom]

Not on console guy

[placid rock]

yes even on consol.. guy

[lavish kindle]

They're better at different things but the irony is not lost on me that Forge is a much snappier experience in terms of object/geo placement

[frail bloom]

And not to the extent I want it to

[rustic jackal]

So…one question: can GPD win max run Doom: the dark ages?

[frail bloom]

Can I make a classic baron head for a 2016 baron, can I change the color of an imp?

I don't think so

[placid rock]

idk about classic since thats just pixels but you totally can change the color and texture of a imp

[honest vortex]

I feel the technology of SnapHaks (modded technology people use for SnapMaps. A lot of newer SnapMaps use SnapHaks) allows much much more interesting geo and objects than Forge

[frail bloom]

So why haven't I seen anything like that ever, huh? When's the last time yu actually used snapmap bc that is not possible to do on console

[rustic jackal]

Anyone?

[frail bloom]

I cannot just change the color of an imp in 2016 to green

[placid rock]

LOOK INTO THE MEDIA AND SE WHAT I MADE

[hollow sandal]

Hi I'm so confused 😭

[frail bloom]

So? Yu can't use it lol

[placid rock]

if i can change the texture of every object in my creations on snapmap the same can be said for imp

[frail bloom]

Do it and then come back to show me pls because this is unheard of

[placid rock]

who said that? i totally can make it ahovering object, even make it fire at you

[frail bloom]

Make a baron of hell white and then come back

[placid rock]

ill be right back

[fleet spruce]

Doesn't seems like it will run on it, it's very below minimum settings and neither model has RT cores in their APUs

Maybe with linux and application for ray tracing simulation but even then performance will be abysmal

[honest vortex]

You can make this:
https://youtu.be/3V6X6sdWhac?si=f2WHMqrsxHM_gvkX

And this:
https://youtu.be/acYoBS30Pio?si=cp8H07BlSDd5y2yf

In SnapMaps

SnapMaps is so damn awesome

[frail bloom]

There is no way yu can make this on console

[placid rock]

not snaphak but someone on pc can make it for you to use in console, but building with different textures other than default yes

[frail bloom]

See if snapmap was just more customizable on console with different textures and cosmetic choices for demons, I wouldn't play anything else tbh

[scenic lichen]

Does anyone else find that TDA black screens when u try launching w/ medal on?

[frail bloom]

Alr yu made it white but it seriously looks bad I was expecting it to have high res skin and be white

[placid rock]

thats cause i didnt choose a pure white one i just chose default textured white

theres definitely smoother textures

[stoic sleet]

Bro pandemonium surprised me

[frail bloom]

Well well well I must see

And make his eyes purple

[stoic sleet]

Cus fym i have to redo the level

[honest vortex]

True. But you can play them on Console.

I played them on Xbox myself

[stoic sleet]

Siege is long as fuck thats cruel

[frail bloom]

Yes yu can but I wanna make them, I love any game with a creative mode

[placid rock]

i can even totally make him a glowing creature lol

[frail bloom]

Just high res white skin with purple eyes pls, thanks

[fleet spruce]

Fyi I'm playing this game on ASUS ROG Ally X which is way more powerful than GPD WIN MAX and I get like mostly over 30 fps on 720p FSR balanced with 25w , you might wanna get atleast a steam deck to run this game on the go

[honest vortex]

Wait why do you have to restart?

[stoic sleet]

If you die with extra lives in pandemonium you have to redo the entire level and you lose a life

[honest vortex]

Speaking of SnapMaps.

DOOM II is my third favorite DOOM game largely because of its modding and Custom WAD scene like Eviternity, Sunlust, Ancient Aliens etc

Dark Ages, 2016, and DOOM II are my three favorites. In that order too

SnapMaps and Custom WADs are a very very big reason 2016 and DOOM II are 2nd and 3rd respectively.

Dark Ages is so damn good that it overcomes SnapMaps and Custom WADs miraculously for me.

I don't know how they made TDA this damn good.

[frail bloom]

Side note but the battleknight reminds me of some custom hell knights made in snapmap, they had armor and such

[placid rock]

well i did find out recently with modding and snaphak its possible to bring in the models and textures of dark ages and eternal to snapmap

[frail bloom]

WHAT

Bro WHY DOES NO ONE TALK ABT THIS

[honest vortex]

I'm also a HUGE fan of DOOM 64.

I think in terms of vanilla unmodded versions of the Classic games, 64 is by far the best and most consistent Classic DOOM game

[frail bloom]

THIS IS IMPORTANT STUFF GOOOAAAHAH

[stoic sleet]

gulp

[placid rock]

i was even able to mod in the campaign files of doom 2016 allowing me to use some of the models in the campaign process is the same for eternal and dark ages

[honest vortex]

Gorgeous AF.

I know Eternal has iD Studio, but....1. it's unavailable to consoles. 2. Since they released iD Studio so late, the custom content is extremely small and limited compared to SnapMaps and Custom WADs.

Which makes me bummed

But yeah. Seeing Dark Ages stuff in 2016 sounds awesome

[frail bloom]

If only u could do that in snap map, have like a cosmic baron in a snapmap that yu could play on console

[fleet spruce]

Same, 64 is just such a different experience

[placid rock]

sadly its only obj files and textures, but i know its possible for eternals editor to make dnew demons

[frail bloom]

GAH

[honest vortex]

I've seen some amazing D64 Custom WADs that were more interesting and aesthetically pleasing than the vast majority of DOOM II Megawads.

But unfortunately the community is so small and limited in comparison.

D64 has SO MUCH Custom WAD and modding potential

[placid rock]

it converts models to md6

[frail bloom]

Can yu make urrrrrr a classic baron by like making the gladiator have red skin

👀

[placid rock]

yes i think thats totally possible

[honest vortex]

I've played SnapMaps that has Eternal's dashing lmao

[frail bloom]

PLS SHOW ME AUHGHGHGHG PLEEEAAASSEEE

[placid rock]

im suprised no one has tried yet

[frail bloom]

TAKE YUR TIME BUT PLSSSSS

[frail bloom]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING

I'VE BEEN LED ASTRAY

[placid rock]

i know nothing of modding actual demons sadly only how to mod in obj and textures lol

[frail bloom]

Do yu know someone who can

[astral summit]

how the hell is doom tda on ultra-violence harder than doom eternal on nightmare? I had to turn it down to hurt me plenty bc it was getting too hard. Honestly this game is getting to the point of being really disappointing. It feels like it was trying to be bigger and do more but it just ended up feeling like a downgrade. Wide open non-linear fields and long hallways with little substance, craploads of upgrades that barely feel consequential, with so many choices that it’s overwhelming, a combat system that’s in a different direction and tried to be innovative but ended up being less than the sum of its parts and also kinda janky sometimes. Twenty-two levels, compared to 2016’s and Eternal’s thirteen each, where each one felt polished and focused in those two games, Dark Ages feels like quantity over quality. I’m still enjoying the game kinda but man, i really got a new graphics card for this game? Damn.

[honest vortex]

I kinda hope they rerelease DOOM 2016 in the not so distant future, so the SnapMaps community can grow to be MUCH larger and live much longer

[frail bloom]

Skill issue

[placid rock]

i know theres a quite a few modders on the beta making work but i have none in contact

[honest vortex]

Personally I liked Dark Ages being harder and having more exploration than Eternal

[astral summit]

Please never say that to me /srs

[frail bloom]

I'm on console on nightmare with the lowest parry window

[astral summit]

Good for you. I don’t give a fuсk.

[frail bloom]

Everything else is up to yur preference but it is not that hard

[honest vortex]

Eternal's the easiest modern DOOM game for me, and it's by far the most linear and locked in DOOM game and it's not even close.

.... and I just don't really like that

[placid rock]

ngl i was able to beat doom tda on ultra nightmare on my 2nd run

but that was before they made it harder

[astral summit]

You know what, i think TDA UV might be harder than 2016 Nightmare even, and 2016 nightmare is brutally hard at times

[honest vortex]

Hell yeah

[frail bloom]

Plus some upgrades if not most are really useful, just have to get used to it

Take yur time, maybe look up some guides, don't rush thru things

[honest vortex]

Personally I like TDA being hard. I'm glad it's much harder than Eternal

[fleet spruce]

How is it harder on uv lol

[frail bloom]

I have no clue

[astral summit]

Somehow they managed to find a way

Doom 2016 nightmare is easier than Doom TDA Ultra-Violence

[honest vortex]

Only thing I will say is Dark Ages does kill you instantly sometimes for no clear reason.

Which 2016 kinda suffered from as well.

But it's still a fun as hell time

[placid rock]

heres the thing if you are running and gunning you are playing tda wrong, you need to use your shield standing most of the time planning attacks

[frail bloom]

Yes that is true but that can change

[stuck geode]

aura farm.

[placid rock]

the shield is best

[honest vortex]

I can see TDA being harder than 2016 at times. Dark Ages gets brutal in the 2nd half sometimes.

[hexed copper]

This is what we call, a skill issue

[frail bloom]

I just quickswitch beteeen shield throw and ssg, melts everything

[astral summit]

Fuсk you.

[honest vortex]

But Idk. Personally I like it being hard though

[hexed copper]

(I haven't played the game)

But I'm assuming you're just bad

[placid rock]

i find anyone who says skill issue just saying something toxic so youll always get a thumbs down from me if you say it

[honest vortex]

SSG broken AF for sure

[frail bloom]

Awww can't I have a wittle fun

[fleet spruce]

I don't think anything other than Vagary introduction arena took most of my deaths in it, afterwards it's very much walk in the park with how ridiculously powerful tools given to you are. Eternal is definitely harder game.

[dark thunder]

where did spoilers chat go or am i blind

[placid rock]

not if it means belittling people -_-

[frail bloom]

Thing is eternal is also pretty easy too once yu master everything

[dark thunder]

|| also the maykrs outlawed wraith worship?||

[placid rock]

(if you dont go insane from the hour long battles)

[frail bloom]

Not my intention but I understand

It's just that matching a paragraph with 2 words is funny idk

[frail bloom]

Most battles take me 1-2 min lol

[hexed copper]

@astral summit I'm sorry

[placid rock]

not in tag no way youre getting past those battles in just a min

[frail bloom]

@astral summit me too, use ravager it's good

[placid rock]

they intentionly put more enmies to waste your time

[frail bloom]

Ye maybe like 3 min

At most

[placid rock]

i could believe 3

[frail bloom]

Trust

[remote thunder]

eternal is also busted, the broken stuff just isn't as in your face as "ssg do too much damage lol"

[fleet spruce]

True, but it takes quite a while to get there imo. I can do basic ass combos and stuff but nothing super complex and super optimized.

[willow beacon]

You just aren’t good at it yet

[placid rock]

endlessly punching a zombie to never stagger it

[steep charm]

I've a DOOM Slayer - Verdant Skin code for those who want it

[willow beacon]

Eternal was incredibly difficult on ultra violence when I first played it, now I play modded levels on nightmare. You literally just haven’t played enough to be good at that difficulty yet

[frail bloom]

Well at my level I know the enemy placements, best upgrades and falters to do so I melt thru everything

[fleet spruce]

Punch was nerfed because they added Blood Punch so it doesn't matter really

[frail bloom]

No need to switch between 6 weapons lol

[placid rock]

straight up doesnt matter still is a complete downgrade and ruins the gameplay for me

[fleet spruce]

that's awfully specific

[placid rock]

i use that punch in 2016 to get health

[stuck geode]

so which channel do we discuss lore in.

cuz spoiler chat was kind of where we did all that.

[placid rock]

#the-future i guess?

[remote thunder]

yeah and in eternal you fire two heavy cannon shots or a single combat shotgun round to do the same thing

[frail bloom]

Just do that here lol

[placid rock]

i shouldnt have to waste ammo to something doomguy should be able to do -_-

[willow beacon]

You just shouldn’t be relying on punch that much

[placid rock]

i dont rely on it i just enjoy using it

[remote thunder]

ah so this is a "lore accurate slayer" thing

[placid rock]

if i was going for lore accuracy one punch would kill the demon lmao

[remote thunder]

it wouldn't, cause that's not lore accurate

[fleet spruce]

I did that too in 2016 but in that game it matters even less because you have fuck ton of ammo to waste

[stuck geode]

if you used lore accurate slayer the game would be dogshit
you realize even gameplay slayers one shots most fodder demons
what the hell is lore slayer doing
like bruh has the dreadmace, ion think you wanna see that used lore accurate.

[remote thunder]

ammo management isn't real in eternal either, chainsaw is on a 25 second cooldown and refills 50% of your ammo pools lol

[fleet spruce]

Would be so cool seeing reality being torn apart by Chainshot

[remote thunder]

staggering fodder enemies isn't a "waste of ammo", missing shots on heavier enemies or using shotguns at suboptimal ranges is a waste of ammo

[placid rock]

i know i dont lmao its stupid how powerful lore accurate slayer is

[remote thunder]

he's captain america on hell steroids, nothing more

[worldly creek]

glad they made the reference to the zombie slayer skin in doom the dark ages

[placid rock]

"get your argent energy steroids today and become a machine!'

and to be honest doomguy has more experience dealing with demons that almost any character

[cobalt fog]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-flail-slam-gif-3602213455553818448

[placid rock]

someone said that scene wasnt brutal enough, but i feel like the sounds alone accounted for that XP

[frail bloom]

Sound effects and implying it thru the angle is much better imo

Leaves it up to how he severed his head exactly

Just brute force

[fleet spruce]

Should have hit him with the mace

[placid rock]

i was dissapointed on them killing the witch, i feel like they shouldve kept her alive as a more powerful boss in the dlc

[fleet spruce]

She ain't dead, her physical body is

[placid rock]

wait wut?

[frail bloom]

She is said to be alive tho her physical form is dead

[placid rock]

oh!

[frail bloom]

She still abides in the cosmic realm

[stuck geode]

I'd rather see challenging games
also Ulsamir exists in her dimension, she can't actually use the physical realm

[placid rock]

#videos i want that flail lmao

[stuck geode]

she's implied to exist on a more spiritual or conceptual plane, her true form.

[covert goblet]

About to start ultra nightmare run.
Any tips?

[placid rock]

parry, block, sheildbash

[neon perch]

Ulsamir kinda bad ngl.

[honest vortex]

I feel like Dark Ages has the most "canonically accurate" melee combat from Doomguy.

He doesn't one shot everything, but is still a force of nature

[stuck geode]

its funny despite Slayer being at his weakest in the post divinity machine series here, he arguably has his most powerful arsenal
a mace with infinite density, a chainshot that tears reality, dragon powered rocket launcher, a crossbow even more powerful then the two weapons I just described in the beginning, an argent enhanced shotgun, a specially made super shotgun which uses demon gunpowder.

lowkey Eternal, and 2016 look weaker relatively.

[placid rock]

yeah i agree

[honest vortex]

It's funny. I always thought 2016 had extremely beefy looking guns, and extremely beefy sounding guns.

Meanwhile Eternal's guns look and sound extremely weak and plastic.

Yet with Dark Ages, even 2016's gun designs and sounds got dwarfed and wiped to the floor this time around.

[placid rock]

when i say lore accurate slayer i mean the point and moment where both davoth and doomguy were the same person, with davoth being god it puts doomguy as omnipotent in pure strength, but that has never been in game allowing him godhood

[hollow sandal]

Yea the weapons are heavier for sure

[honest vortex]

I didn't expect them to finally top 2016 and 64/PSX's gun sounds and designs ...

But wow they finally outdid themselves. The mad lads.

[hollow sandal]

The accelerator is actually high tier

Well not for crowds or multiple heavies

[placid rock]

personallit the only weapon i wanted them to have a better look on was the nailgun, it looks very funky and out of place for me

[stuck geode]

I'm more of a chainshot guy myself.

[honest vortex]

The Shredder?

[stuck geode]

max that boy out, ooh, you finna cook.

[placid rock]

no the dart shooter the oposite to the impaler

[honest vortex]

Wait. Are you dissing the Impaler, or are you dissing the Shredder?

[placid rock]

shredder

if thats the nailgun

it just looks out of place for me

[honest vortex]

Oh. Personally I like it, but it doesn't look as cool as the other weapons.

It sounds good though, but the ricochet mechanic it has seem very confusing to me

[honest vortex]

It's the closest thing I can think of to a nail gun in Dark Ages

[hollow sandal]

Shredder is the only gun I've never worked in to my gameplay

[honest vortex]

I love all the weapons.

But rockets and grenade launcher are probably my favorite

[placid rock]

having no remote detonation really threw me off lmao

[honest vortex]

Wait no.....blue skull buffed Ravenger, and yellow skull buffed Pulverizer are my favorite weapons.

Most orgasmic automatic weapons in any FPS

[hollow sandal]

Based

[hollow sandal]

Oh wait even more based

Must be dope using melee to instantly get a speed boost with the pulverizer

[placid rock]

you know as a challeng for my first playthrough i forcemyself to use only ssg and melee in the ahzrak battle, got close to dying a lot and ran out of ammo a few time causing me to just run around waiting for my melee but i did it!

it was fun to do lol

[honest vortex]

I used to think 2016 micro missiles wouldn't be topped for automatic weapon orgasmicness. But they finally outdid it

[honest vortex]

Btw for base campaign, do you like 2016 or Dark Ages more? (If we don't count SnapMaps or Multiplayer, just the Campaign mode)

[placid rock]

if i had to choose for the campagin i would hands down choose dark ages any day, dragon levels are best

[honest vortex]

Does Dark Ages still win, if we discount dragons and mech levels?

Also yes I agree. I like Dark Ages campaign much more than 2016's as well

[placid rock]

yes but only narrowly because there were better story points in 2016 than in tda

visuals tho, 10/10

[honest vortex]

Also Eternal's your least favorite Campaign out of the three Campaigns?

(Even if we don't include the Ancient Gods stuff.)

[placid rock]

BY FAR even doom 3 and the orignals i considered better than eternals campagin because it felt so much like a arcade game to me

[hollow sandal]

What's wrong with arcade?

[honest vortex]

Yeah I think 2016 had better story and characters.

But Dark Ages has better levels, combat, aesthetics, atmosphere, sound design, and variety

But 2016 probably has better pacing than Dark Ages

[placid rock]

one gripe tho.... get rid of hellknight eyes they look weird on the creature and look better when they are eyeless

[honest vortex]

As for soundtrack. This might surprise you, but when Dark Ages hits a really good song, I might like it more than 2016's soundtrack.

But 2016's soundtrack is more consistently great

[honest vortex]

Yes. I love the new skin he has in Dark Ages, but he doesn't need the eye

[honest vortex]

Infernal Chasm and Into the Void are ridiculously good

[placid rock]

and i was honestly expecting a more reptillian skin for the hellknight considering doom 2016's lore page on them

[honest vortex]

I will always miss the Slayer vs Samuel interactions and plot points.

Best storytelling in DOOM. Period

[cobalt fog]

Highly agree

[cobalt fog]

Uhhh she isn’t dead

Her body is a vessel she exist more as of like

Uhh a soul sorta speak

[honest vortex]

True. Though in Eternal, I actually thought the Hell Knight looked like a plastic toy. Even his skin 😂

[cobalt fog]

And can enter a body at any time

[twilit pumice]

I think I can say I prefer TDA over Doom 4 and Eternal.
I love all of them but preference wise it'll be TDA.
Maybe my opinion will change as I plat all of Doom.

[cobalt fog]

Or make one for herself

[honest vortex]

Eternal's Hell Knight just looks off to me for whatever reason

[hollow sandal]

He's smol

[hard thistle]

TDA absolutely clocks the fuck out of 2016 and it is not even close.

[placid rock]

doom 2016 is not doom 4, doom 4 was cancled

[hard thistle]

There is seriously nothing in 2016 that TDA doesn't do better IMO.

[honest vortex]

I was comparing soundtrack there, do you mean soundtrack wise?

[placid rock]

SNAPMAP

[twilit pumice]

Yeah

[tranquil moss]

good point

[hard thistle]

I am so sorry. Nobody serious cares about Snapmap.

[placid rock]

im blocking you now for being a bully and a ass

[cobalt fog]

TDA is just a better game

It’s like doom if it never needed multiplayer

[twilit pumice]

Block me too

[honest vortex]

There was a Dark Ages montage called "Revenge of the Gold Slayer" or something like that, and it was playing all the absolute best songs of Dark Ages and it legit made me go; "WTF. The music in this game is way thrashier and more brutal and angry than Eternal and 2016 combined. What O_o"

[placid rock]

nah

[honest vortex]

I think some of you played the wrong SnapMaps ngl

I played and seen some that utilize SnapHaks technology that are on par with really good ass DOOM II Custom WADs.

[cobalt fog]

Snapmap and 2016s multiplayer were amazing but if I was to have a long badass campaign with a playable dragon (even if some ppl don’t like it, I’m not one of those I love that starfox style gameplay) or fucking atlan mechs? shiiiit I’m taken tda all the fucking way

[placid rock]

straight up have proof snapmap is good and can be improved with modding. like i swear its literally custom content and somehow people sees that as a bad thing facepalm

[cobalt fog]

Serrat may not be fun to some ppl but you can’t say he’s not fucking badass

[placid rock]

no i understand greatly the epic feels

[honest vortex]

I played some amazing SnapMaps....but nothing really is able to create "Sekiro Captain America Doomguy"

[placid rock]

i love the dragon too

[karmic dagger]

Game doesnt even run anymore, thanks bethesda

[cobalt fog]

this ^

[honest vortex]

Sekiro Captain America Doomguy is legit the most badass thing in FPS history. Not even exaggerating

[placid rock]

i was able to play map with parrying just like tda

[honest vortex]

That's why Dark Ages is the best DOOM game IMO

[placid rock]

that was made BEFORE tda

[tough swan]

I'm on the last level and this game is awesome

[honest vortex]

I mean it's impressive, but I don't think they're able to replicate exactly how it works in TDA specifically.

The way TDA implemented it, is special IMO

[cobalt fog]

Parrying 8 komodo hits then dancing with bro before bonking him with A FUCKIN FLAMING IRON FLAIL bro…. TDA is just “doom” at this rate ppl will look at anything that comes from that game without context and say “yeah that’s doom”

[placid rock]

i can see why people will say that but to me it cant be the best until it has more modes and more replayability

its barebones to me on that front

[honest vortex]

That's fair.

I can understand someone liking 2016 more than TDA because of SnapMaps.

Dunno why people have to insult someone for that

[cobalt fog]

Also is no one gonna talk about how absolutely massive serrat is?

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-dragon-fire-gif-4758057331286935094

[placid rock]

no clue i just block and move on

[honest vortex]

SnapMaps plays a big part as to why 2016 is my second favorite behind Dark Ages.

So I'm a big SnapMaps shill as well lmao

[placid rock]

beef boy hell yeah

[cobalt fog]

Look at bro, he’s like 5 times the size of any of the other dragons and he acts like a puppy

[placid rock]

i want a black a red skin for serrat for his scales

[honest vortex]

Too many DOOM fans portray their opinions as FACT, and think you're crazy or subhuman or something if you disagree.

It feels the most common with Eternal fans especially

[cobalt fog]

dude…. Remember those hellforged skins from multiplayer eternal?

That shit would go hard on serrat

[placid rock]

oh yeah i do, i would love that on the dragon

including davoth immora designs

[cobalt fog]

Yeah

[honest vortex]

Yeah he's a beeeg boi

[placid rock]

doom eternal mod launcher beta has davoth skins for the guns and they look epic

[brazen cove]

yay pendemonium run completed

[cobalt fog]

Honestly I’d love for there to be skins to change the model a bit

[brazen cove]

time to practice UN

[cobalt fog]

And bro acts like your average pit bull

[honest vortex]

What do you think of Nekravol and Arc Complex from Eternal? I actually liked those two levels

[honest vortex]

True lmao

[placid rock]

nekroval i found very complex, arc complex i liked until i couldnt shoot the cannon guns myself that part greatly dissapointed me

[cobalt fog]

My fav levels in eternal are blood swamps, immora, mars core and arc complex

[hard thistle]

LOL

[cobalt fog]

That or any sentinel home world map

[honest vortex]

The amount of people saying Dark Ages isn't a DOOM game is wild to me.

It feels the most like Classic DOOM of the whole modern trilogy

[placid rock]

yeah anyone who says tda isnt doom just doesnt understand whats in front of their face

[hard thistle]

TDA is definitely the better game. It is not close. Better content, more content, infinitely better story. Better balancing, better gameplay.
And, I'm sorry, but ||I like the soundtrack more.||

[cobalt fog]

That and it’s probably the most doom it’s ever been, the pulverizer and ravagers existence is enough to explain

[cobalt fog]

Bro censored it to avoid an angry mob

[honest vortex]

Infernal Chasm is my favorite DOOM song in the series

[cobalt fog]

I agree with you, it just fits more

[honest vortex]

Yeah I said it

The Komodo demon boss fight had the coolest boss battle music I've heard in any FPS

[brazen cove]

I like tda but I still prefer eternal

[honest vortex]

I don't really like Eternal's OST that much tbh.

Outside of Gladiator and TOTTFIY

[brazen cove]

I mean the game as a whole not just the music

[placid rock]

im gonna be completely honest.... i dont like doom music that much in all sincerity, i mean i like rock music but its just sometimes the music feels like i takes away from whats happening in game and can be a little overbearing, reason why i turn it down

[honest vortex]

Oh I see. Everyone was talking about OST, so I got confizzled lol

[fleet spruce]

Infernal Chasm, Unholy Siege and Into the Void are definitely my favourite, and there are even more amazing tracks in the game

[brazen cove]

All good, I could’ve been clearer

[honest vortex]

Basically. DOOM music too overwhelming for what's going on? 🤔

[cobalt fog]

Tbh tda did music better in “fitting style” compared to the other games, call a fucking orbital strike on me but I believe tda music fits better then music like eternal or 2016 did and I think the reason why is because the other 2 were meant to just be badass encouraging music, tda music tells a story and every aspect of it at that.

[hard thistle]

What Lies Below is great. Also love From The Ashes, Apotheosis, and Ancestral Beast

[placid rock]

kinda, i mean it fits with the game its just im usually sensitive to that stuff cause im autistic

[honest vortex]

Out of the three modern games in general? Or just Dark Ages?

[cobalt fog]

Interesting thing I noticed

In cosmic void I actually heard a remaster of an old track

[placid rock]

if i had to choose one of the songs id have to choose the one playing in the first level of 2016

[cobalt fog]

I forget its name but all I know is the track takes place in a hell level in the classic games

[placid rock]

dont know which one it is

[fleet spruce]

Dark Ages specifically, i also love Immora and both Blood Swamps tracks. In 2016 my favourite track is Rip & Tear but i generally like most of tracks in the games.

they bring experience to whole new level

[tiny mulch]

uhuh

[uneven dragon]

💖 Atlan Battleground

[cobalt fog]

Holy city sounds amazing

It’s not even metal but it’s literal aura farming

[placid rock]

i want a wave survival mode with just you as a mech

[cobalt fog]

Bro that sounds epic

Every 5 waves you get a gun

[placid rock]

and i want a race mode for the dragon to kill titans and ships quickly lol

[cobalt fog]

That or they could do a ring master

Fly through rings while on a timer

[placid rock]

its so satisfying getting multiple destructions with the dragon

[cobalt fog]

Every ring you hit adds an extra 5 seconds to your timer

[cobalt fog]

It is

I’ll never get over hearing that booster sound

[placid rock]

tho i wish the dragon did some sort of heavy attack

[cobalt fog]

Idk why in the fuck it’s so satisfying

[cobalt fog]

Right!? Like using the breath instead of using it only in the glory kills it has

The fact they don’t have that is crazy

[placid rock]

that fire death gloryy kill chance is so low some people didnt think serat was a actual dragon

[fierce river]

Did ult nightmare with the sliders making it even harder

[cobalt fog]

Bro that booster glory kill is gold

[fierce river]

eternal is definitely harder than dark ages 🥀 but I do enjoy dark ages more than eternal

[placid rock]

booster glory kill?

[cobalt fog]

Oh you haven’t got it?

[placid rock]

noo never a booster one

[fierce river]

Booster? What

[placid rock]

i thought i saw all of them

[gray flower]

i just bought doom controller

[cobalt fog]

||Dragon hops on the titans head, powers up the boosters to as high as they can go and fucking snaps his head in almost a full 360 ||

[placid rock]

oh that one XD yeah that one is the best

[cobalt fog]

I do think the throat bite is a little lame tho

[placid rock]

wha! he straights up bites the juggular off a titan 10 times his size thats fucking impresive as hell!

[cobalt fog]

I feel like the dragon if it’s not gonna get more attacks just deserves more then three glory kills

[cobalt fog]

I mean he’s pretty big himself

[placid rock]

hes a cat size compared to a titan lol

[cobalt fog]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-dragon-serrat-fire-breath-gif-3083633057499487976

Those who know…

[placid rock]

[dark thunder]

hope whoever made the encounter with the respawning revenants and aggadon hunter have to wipe multiple times

[cobalt fog]

Did you notice the change in music after ?

[placid rock]

thats not supposed to happen

[placid rock]

yes i immediately heard it

[dark thunder]

||spire of nerathul||

[placid rock]

thats very weird

[dark thunder]

it's supposed to happen its an optional challenge

[fierce river]

Ohhh

[real lynx]

Revenants are so annoying in this game

[cobalt fog]

Bro once I heard it my jaw dropped because the moment I recognized it was the ||intro music ||it was the most perfect set of moments I’d ever seen

[real lynx]

Fuck komodos, agaddons and revenants in pafgivuksr

[fierce river]

What angle do you have to be do achieve it? I hate getting the one where you shoot down fire it’s 2 long and I’m planning to do a speedrun on nightmare

[fierce river]

Super shotgun goes brrrr

[placid rock]

parrying is key

[fierce river]

I love how bfg is a crossbow now

[placid rock]

i wouldve prefered an actual bfg made by sentinels not just a wooden crossbow lmao

[fierce river]

Do you guys think more skins are gonna come out? And that one mode in eternal where do you waves?

[cobalt fog]

❤️ big lizard boi, Agaddons are ok and revenants can go jump in a bath with a toaster

[placid rock]

i hope so

[fierce river]

🥀

I think the woman is gonna die in dlc

[cobalt fog]

100% I’m just hoping they change the model up like in eternal

[placid rock]

they better or they just be lazy

[cobalt fog]

For sure, we knew nothing about her in the other games so I’m 100% sure

[fierce river]

how long did it take them to realize a lot of skins in eternal?

[placid rock]

quicker than 2016

[fierce river]

unicorn came out near the release no?

[real lynx]

Eternal had multiple model changes at launch

[cobalt fog]

Dragon getting a cyber wyntherin skin

[fierce river]

Photo mode?

[placid rock]

hell yeah

[cobalt fog]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-doom-eternal-the-ancient-gods-doom-eternal-the-ancient-gods-part-2-the-ancient-gods-gif-15524376529146103998

[fierce river]

Is it just me or I don’t like how the imps have hair 🥀

[hollow sandal]

It enhances how they smell

[cobalt fog]

I don’t mind it but it’s def weird

[placid rock]

well they did used to be a sentient race before they were imps

[cobalt fog]

They don’t use axe body spray

[fierce river]

I like how cyber demons wings were severed so they can’t fly that’s a cool touch to the lore

where would the prince fall under in the context of doom eternal? strength wise

[placid rock]

way weaker than davoth and khan

davoth is literal god so only thing that can top him is doomguy so that puts davoth right on top for villains

ahzrak did militarize the hell armor which was impressive

actually acid

[fleet spruce]

I would have much preferred the scrapped lovecraftian looking BFG

[fierce river]

so dark ages takes place before doom guy enters the divinity machine?

[placid rock]

no after

and came back

cause he was too angry to truly die

true

[fierce river]

How Yk?

[stuck geode]

Hugo stated that Davoth by the time of TAG2 had reached the stage where he could only be beaten by a primeval or greater.
He was able to go to the mortal realm because of the sentinels, but he was moving around hell due to his rage

without the sentinels, he's just gonna kill everything in hell.

[placid rock]

cause this is prety much a few month after doomslayer plunge the crucible into the titan

[fierce river]

ohhh

[fierce river]

Wait so this game takes place after 2016???

[cobalt fog]

Not exactly

[placid rock]

"where the legend of the slayer began"

[placid rock]

no before

[cobalt fog]

The sentinels just gave him a way out

[rustic jackal]

Honestly, I like the design of the GPD, Bcuz at least it’s a mini computer and u can do other stuff or game

[placid rock]

oh yeah someone hacked a 10$ calculator to run doom 3 and eternal

[stuck geode]

Anyway
Azhrak is by definition not the strongest villain, since we know Hell gets stronger over time
meaning
Azhrak by that decree has to come before
The Great One(Titan of immeasurable power described in Slayer testaments)
The Araena Imperatrix(the god among Gods, among the demons, Lord of the 4th Age)
The revived Icon of Sin
and Davoth, who had returned to physical form so that only a primeval or greater could beat him.

[placid rock]

ehh i think the slayer wouldve found a way out eventually

[cobalt fog]

He can’t die he’s a primeval and as long as there’s one out there they live eternally until another lives with them and the other passes to my knowledge and at this time davoth is still vibing in his red snow globe

This is true however fate will not let him stay dead

[stuck geode]

It wouldn't have been as easy, but if he just keeps killing everything in hell, I'm sure he finds his place back to the mortal realm
now whether our slayer remains looking like a zombie while he's in the mortal realm is a different question @plain iron

[placid rock]

thats what i was implying really that he would probably be a zombie lol

[stuck geode]

I mean Slayer after 64 wandered around hell so much he time traveled into another universe before human life even exsited on earth.
Hell has quite literally done worst.

[placid rock]

is that what happened?

[cobalt fog]

The fact that some of the most ancient parts of Hell can’t hold him says enough

[placid rock]

i thought it was him timetraveling to be honest

[cobalt fog]

And if he was to die he could just find a portal and enter the mortal realm

[stuck geode]

Hayden "its not your world to save"
by TDA Hebeth is a city on the surface of mars, by Eternal its located near the core, which suggests hundreds of millions of years.
we know DOOM is a multiverse, Urdak oversees it.

[cobalt fog]

I mean demons go through portals all the time

[placid rock]

interesting

[stuck geode]

Even if he somehow couldn't(portals open all the time in hell, I genuinely don't see some reason why he couldn't return in due time)
he's in hell, and his body still has godly strength, he would just tear everything apart in hell.

[open abyss]

Ah, I see. I agree with you saying that the mixing is weird; I had the music on 100 and the sound effects on 65, and even then the music was still quiet. Another thing for the music, and I know it's been said a LOT since the game even got announced, it's missing that "DOOM factor", you know? I love some of the themes, I really do especially that main menu theme. But, I just do not find myself going back to the OST like I did with Eternal and 2016 and I understand it'd be a hard task for even Mick to surpass the soundtracks of Eternal and 2016 with just how good they are, but it's Mick Gordon, if anyone can make a better soundtrack for DOOM than Mick, it's Mick. Though, I would also contribute this to me, and also other DOOM fans, adjusting a new sound (not entirely new, maybe 'different' is a better word here) after 2016 and Eternal.

As for the combat, like I said previously, I played on ultra violence with the default sliders all the way through. What I found was that, even though there is SO much variety in the weapons and I mean it is insane (my jaw was literally on the floor after they kept introducing weapons and THEN introducing variants for them), some guns just feel SO unbalanced and powerful. And I know you're meant to be the tank and just a complete powerhouse, but at some point, it starts to feel like you're using at most three guns/variants of guns each encounter and that's it, you don't feel like you earned that power fantasy a lot of the times. However, take my words with a big ol' grain of salt, I plan on playing on Nightmare with some changes to the slider to make the game faster and lower the parry window and increase projectile speed because some of the projectiles just feel so slow on default sliders that it becomes sort of comical just seeing the projectile slowly inch towards you. And I'm definitely going to experiment with new playstyles and weapon combos, because when you get into the "fun zone" of this game, damn is it awesome.

[stuck geode]

what the hell that was a whole chunk

[twilit pumice]

I was beyond bliss killing demons as I listened to the ost.
Some moments, I would sit or pause the game, close my eyes and immerse myself in the metal.

Me and my brother have talked about the ost quite a bit. He keeps saying it's eh, when I keep reminding him to listen to it outside of the game and that he's not well versed in metal as me. Cuz he's a mushroomhead and Hollywood Undead fan.
At first, he'd try arguing his PoV with me. and I would just say, "you don't listen to metal as I listen to metal, and plus you're more into Nu metal and metal core".

[vagrant path]

anyone else having some weird glitches while replaying spire of neratuhl?

for some weird reason when I've landed on the area you get the electricity rune sometimes slayers weapons and shield just disappear randomly, I can't even land anywhere

[twilit pumice]

Plus, he was listening to the game through his TV. Instead of the headset as he should

[open abyss]

Totally agree with the story being the best of the 3 games, genuinely, Hugo did NOT lie when he said it was a "summer blockbuster" because holy shit it really is. The cutscenes, the pure scale of the battles especially near the end is awesome! And I also like that they reduced the amount of codex entries, and it makes sense since Hugo did mention in an interview a while back that they wanted to move the story more into the cutscenes from the codex entries, and now the codex entries feel more valuable, and I personally go hunting for them to find out more about the lore; it's awesome!

And yes, I played this on the PS5 with the original PS5 controller, and it is very well optimised for controller. I found it generally easier to control than Eternal, though that's also likely because there's a lot less emphasis on weapon switching this time around which put me at ease because I really wasn't too good at doing combos. Also, love the fact we have bindings for individual weapons at launch, pretty sure there weren't at launch for Eternal on console.

And that's interesting, I didn't feel it was too short, in fact, at some points I felt it dragged on a bit, especially with the (spoilers) ||Thira rescue missions. Felt it could've been shorter but I guess it led to a hella awesome scene and scenario, so I'm not mad at it.||

[twilit pumice]

One song that I quite enjoy and don't see others mentioning
https://youtu.be/nheu2hKe50c?si=bnd1cuhXdh_onhRG

[real lynx]

Theomachy is goated

[fleet spruce]

It's great for what it is, i also wanted one of these gpd handhelds back in the day but I'm glad i didn't because it lacks performance i need for everything I play. I use my Ally as my main PC as well - literally for everything.

[twilit pumice]

Adding it to my que.

My biggest complaint with people shitting on the ost is they seemingly only listened to it once.
You're not going to notice all the sound in one go.

[fleet spruce]

I ignore people whose complaints boil down "It's not Mick Gordon!!!!!21!!!"

[open abyss]

I agree with the falters being buggy, though I disagree with the comment on the impact of weapons. I think this is the most weapons have ever felt so impactful, the sound effects are amazing. I mean, you fire the SSG and it feels like you just boomed an enemy into a dimension separate from this entire universe. You use the chainbolt and see it just fucking demolish an enemy into pieces or knock the armor off and leave them all dazy. The spike gun literally has you spike enemies and it is so satisfying. And not only this, the gore system of this game is insane. I think it could've benefited with more blood being spilled as it feels...too 'dry' in a sense? But shooting off the arms of a mancubus and just having them strolling around aimlessly is so funny like "oh no what am I gonna do" lmao

I'll go through more playthroughs until I decide if the combat is better than eternal's, which so far it is, but that's mostly because of my taste.

[twilit pumice]

That's some good shit

[wicked creek]

Free Juvee slayer skin is back up on the website if anyone is interested. They were all out the other night and I just got one.

[ember marten]

Need. 2016 praetor suit. Know not lore accurate. Need. Because its my favorite

[twilit pumice]

I feel like this is a predicament they may grow out of.
Imagine it like Mick Gordon being their first metal band. To them it'll be the heaviest metal they've heard so personal bias gets in the way of allowing themselves to enjoy metal as a whole.

Being Autistic and the way I receive sound, Industrial is one of my favorite sub genres of metal. But I won't deny myself to good music. I also love thrash thanks to Sodom, Voivod, and Toxic Holocaust

[formal root]

honestly, yeah mick’s argent metal is pretty good

but sometimes you just need to take a break of the synth lawnmowers and listen to some grungy guitars

[twilit pumice]

TDA is my personal preference but I'd be fucking insane if I said Mick was shit. Cuz both Finishing Move and Mick Gordon did wonderful on Doom.

I think I actually like Mick's work on Wolfenstein more than Doom. And Doom is still incredible.

[coral tapir]

Bro idk about y'all, but these nightmare stalkers on ultranightmare, are an absolute menace 🤣💀

[open abyss]

Ha, no problem :>

Yeah, not a big fan of the dragon sections. Though, I am happy that they are trying new things, it loses it's shine after maybe the first use imo. The combat is just not very interesting, and it's mostly just a transition for you to get into actual combat on foot. But, I will say the setpieces for the dragon sections were fire.

And pretty much agree with everything else you say.

[ember marten]

Yeah, I kinda wish the dragon was like the flying sections in halo

Still goated tho

[twilit pumice]

@fleet spruce @honest vortex
Hell, I bet the Mick Gordon fanboys haven't even listened to his Wolfenstein work or Killer Instinct.
I haven't listened to his Killer Instinct ost but I will sometime.

[ember marten]

I was just playing the new order not too long ago, pretty good game

[twilit pumice]

Should play the entire series. The New Colossus and Youngblood are seemingly decisive.

[stuck geode]

Shout out the hell priest this is the smartest dude in The Dark Ages.

[open abyss]

I get your point. However, like me at the first couple of chapters (probably up to chapter 9-10), you're playing the game like it's Eternal. Weapon swapping is not emphasised here, nor is it meant to be, so trying to do quick weapon swaps - shooting rockets, switching to the SSG, then to the chainshot, then to the plasma, it doesn't work and it will lead to the combat feeling all fucked up, especially on console. But, I think tech will be discovered, as it already is, to achieve something similar. I believe I saw some rocket cancelling tech, and I also found out you could cancel the reload animation of the SSG by holding up the shield on complete accident, though, I don't know if that's an animation skip or it takes the same amount of time to hold up the shield as it does to reload the SSG.

I think they should lower the amount of time it takes to swap weapons because at times I think it is way too slow, especially with some bugs which I encountered way too many times in my first playthrough, you shoot or melee an enemy and try to swap and it seems like the game shits itself trying to get all the commands in at time and it takes a stupidly long time where you stay with the current gun and suddenly you change guns so late that at that point, you need to go back to your original gun you swapped from. They really need to push out a hotfix to fix some of these bugs because they end up ruining really cool moments in encounters and making them annoying, or worse, leading to you dying.

[brazen cove]

Nah by now I got the gameplay loop, I already finished the campaign 3 times and I just started working on ultra nightmare. I get how you suppose to play it, I just don’t enjoy it as much

[ember marten]

Yeah, its so annoying sometimes when youre trying to switch weapons and you see the green flash, and yk its already over

[open abyss]

omg dude thanks for letting us know

[brazen cove]

And yea it feels like the best way to play is just to never swap or very rarely. I use like 2 weapons. And yea the bugs are infuriating but hopefully they’ll be fixed soon

[open abyss]

You just stand there waiting for the damn gun to swap and see an axe being thrown at you, a stone imp about to charge, and a bolt from the pinky coming your way and try to block but THEN the game's like "you know what, this is a good time to swap and take your ability to block allat" LMFAO

[ember marten]

What website is he talking abt?

[open abyss]

Ah, that's fair. Also, good luck on your ultra-nightmare! Rip and tear until it is done, slayer

[brazen cove]

Thank you! It’ll take some practice I’m sure!

[ember marten]

Dm me it

[open abyss]

Hell yeah!

[twilit pumice]

I think what'll be a bitch to learn is Ahzrak and Cacos.

The Komodo, Cyberdemon, Hell Knights, Mancubus and Cosmic Barons are some of the most fun demons in TDA IMO

[thin zinc]

you know what i feel they need to add to this. the unlockable skins and weekly challenges that eternal had. it made me replay the campaign and levels a lot.

[twilit pumice]

I wonder how many figured out a secret with Rocket Launcher.
I feel like one of the very few who know.

[twilit pumice]

Would give more of a push to play. Outside of how damn fun Doom is.

[fleet spruce]

Most likely, and both of them have awesome soundtracks!

[thin zinc]

yeah i already want to keep playing, but that was fun. i didnt even think about how that was missing at launch

[thin zinc]

hot take... his KI soundtrack is his best work. not doom'.

[twilit pumice]

I need to listen to it sometime

[thin zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abDg6kuUscM here's just one track

[open abyss]

LMFAO bro I see a komodo pop up, that mf is getting the BFC immediately 😭

Also omg the cacos are such dickheads too

[north spire]

I listened to The Partisan and I enjoy it just as much as his stuff for Doom imo

[open abyss]

holy peak

[thin zinc]

listen to the Cinder theme song in KI. Look it up. it's sick. he only did season 1 and 2. celldweller and atlus plug did season 3 cause mick left to do doom. season 3 is awesome too though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQDab8vT8GU

[north spire]

I’d compare TDA’s soundtrack to TAG 1+2 and IDKFA rather than 2016 and Eternal

[twilit pumice]

I haven't really figured out the Cacos yet.
Then again, TDA influenced me to replay other ID games.
I'll be playing TDA again in these next few days off.

[twilit pumice]

I still need to play TAG

[uneven dragon]

Why TAG but not Eternal

[twilit pumice]

Listening to it now

[north spire]

Different composers :)

[nimble jay]

This new doom is cute but lets never see it ever again at any point

[uneven dragon]

yeah but… what does that have to do with anything

[twilit pumice]

Like some of celldwellers songs.
Celldweller did make music for Dead Rising 2

[open abyss]

icic, i hope you have fun! Also, same. Their projectiles are hella weird, and i love that you can't parry them (the barrier ones). My usual strat to them was to find a way around the projectiles and shield charge, sheild throw to stun then SSG or chainshot them to put them into a glory kill. Or parry the projectile, charge, shield throw, SSG. ||The electric shock rune is very good against basically every enemy in the game, and I'd say it's the strongest rune you can get.||

[open abyss]

Elaborate??

[thin zinc]

i felt his killer instinct music for season 3 matched up to mick gordon's. the quality did not degrade when he took over

[north spire]

Idk, Hulshult’s work often leans a bit heavier on the metal side rather than the electronic side, much like Finishing Move’s work

[uneven dragon]

Fair

[nimble jay]

Combat is whelming and the lore they're trying to push is lame as shit

[tired rock]

OOOOHHH SHIEEET now we're talkin

[nimble jay]

idgaf about humans talking and this king dude needing help and some shit with wolves, people don't play doom for that

[twilit pumice]

Lightning rune is my favorite. I just started using it when I was replaying levels on my Ultra Violence save

[open abyss]

?? "lame shit" means what? "whelming" means what? You're making statements with no explanation.

[tired rock]

What is it? At the Gates? Chuldren of Bodom? In Flames??

[twilit pumice]

Need to listen to more of Children of Bodom.

[nimble jay]

Doom 2016 had the best story and atmosphere, Doom eternal had the best gunplay

Dark ages is just one of the games of all time

[open abyss]

Oooh, hell yeah! It gets so insane when you upgrade it fully, literally a cheatcode

[tired rock]

Dude fuck yeah, band with the best guitarist oat

[open abyss]

ragebait used to be good.

[north spire]

I will say the story isn’t particularly well written when it comes to characterisation

[twilit pumice]

Fists being my favorite melee

[nimble jay]

Don't even get me started on the compass not even having cardinal directions

[thin zinc]

i honestly think dark ages feels the best to play of the 3 new games

[north spire]

Cause like…I can’t really say that much about the good guys that aren’t doomguy :p

[honest vortex]

Yeah Killer Instinct and Wolfenstein music is great.

Funny enough I actually think Eternal is Mick Gordon's weakest and most overrated work.

.... and I strongly believe the music in the second half of Dark Ages is vastly stronger than Eternal's music

[zealous hull]

32:9 Incorrect display of edges ?

[open abyss]

Ohhhh, wow. I actually haven't heard many people say that. Why so? My personal fav is the flail, it's so badass, plus it gives armor and I'm still trying to incorporate upkeeping my armor consistently during combat cause I suck at it.

[nimble jay]

Tell me you're lazy and rushing your game without telling me you're lazy and rushing your game. Can't even be arsed to put N E S W on the compass. Is that gonna be DLC?

[honest vortex]

By an astronomical amount too

[tired rock]

Wow that's flaming absolute melting of an hot take lmao

[north spire]

Dark Ages has the best boss fights :)

[open abyss]

It cannot be that hard to figure out compass directions.

[thin zinc]

by a lot

[nimble jay]

It is when you don't have an actual fing compass

[honest vortex]

It's kinda hard to say if it's a hottake or not, if Eternal's basically the only thing people heard from Mick Gordon lol

[nimble jay]

just a row of dots at the top of the screen

[twilit pumice]

Wasn't Mick called on at the last second with Eternal?
Would explain why some songs kinda sounded samey last night

[north spire]

And 2016

[open abyss]

Yeah...with a marker?

[nimble jay]

Oh boy a marker and not the most basic functionality of a compass. Y'know, N E S W

[tired rock]

About that, maybe. But I'm talkin more of the last take you put out in that message "Dark Ages OST's is better than Eternal"

That's absolute flame

[twilit pumice]

Stun locking, shock being capable of chain attack, and the double damage inflection from shock.

[tired rock]

At least for me

[open abyss]

that view might actually get you boomed 😭 😭

[north spire]

I think Dark Ages’ ost isnt as good as the previous two, but I think it’s severely overhated at the same time cause there are some tracks that I really enjoy

[honest vortex]

The second half of Dark Ages has some ridiculously and ludicrously good tunes.

The first half of Dark Ages OST isn't that crazy outside of Siege Part 1.

But once you get to the second half of the game, the music gets crazy

[open abyss]

last time I saw a guy say "TDA OST > Eternal OST"...they told horror stories of what happened to that man at the bonfire

[north spire]

And the main menu theme

And I also really like Unchained Predator too

[open abyss]

LITERALLY THE SECOND HALF IS STRAIGHT HEAT LMAO

[north spire]

Blood Spill :)

[open abyss]

they locked tf in

[honest vortex]

Funny enough there's been a lot of people in this server who expressed liking Dark Ages music more than Eternal's

[nimble jay]

So far the soundtrack is the only thing that Dark Ages has on the other two and that is negotiable

[bold mulch]

Dark ages soundtrack is way more thrashy and less crunchy

[honest vortex]

I was watching this video from MuricanEagle.... and man I don't remember this Chapter's music slapping THIS HARD,:
https://youtu.be/Gy6JELOAIhU?si=JjtNHPHelO_PsK66

[open abyss]

oohhhh wow, don't see that often tbh. But, I can see why, the OST is not as bad, or even bad at all, as so many people make it out to be. Do I think Mick was treated like complete shit? Absoloutely. Do I think his absence from the OST is noticeable? Yes. Do I think the OST falls short because of this? At some points, sure, but not the entire game, not even close.

[bold mulch]

super debatable take, eternal and 2016 have some very mediocre bossfights, dark ages definitely takes the cake here imo

[honest vortex]

Yes. Beansprout said the second half of the game had better music than Mick Gordon. Which I miiighhht agree with

[open abyss]

idk why but that thumbnail is hella funny

[bold mulch]

I think it's really personal preference to genre, people don't take into consideration how incredibly different eternals ost is compared to TDA

[north spire]

I just hope Finishing Move Inc. improves on some of the lesser parts of the OST if they get to work on the DLC cause I think they can do amazing things. Unfortunately, we live in a world where genuine feedback is extremely difficult to find (especially on Twitter), but there has to be at least some constructive feedback out there that’s actually well developed.

[honest vortex]

I love 2016 boss fights, not as much as Dark Ages though.

Eternal had subpar boss fights for sure though

[twilit pumice]

Plus I think it's baby's first metal band situation going on too

[honest vortex]

A lot of Dark Ages seems more thrashy, bassy, and crazy drums.

Mick Gordon was more? Djenty and electronic?

[open abyss]

I think TDA has way better bossfights than 2016 and eternal. Like, it's not even close. I will say, though, Azrahk was a bit underwhelming when you fought him. It's just so predictable and he repeats the same attacks and (spoilers for the very final fight) ||the inclusion of the witch did nothing at all for the fight and just added a small obstacle in the way of the actual boss.||

[bold mulch]

The cyber demon in 2016 is really the only one I like, the hell gaurds are alright, eternals icon of sin is really not that great, yes it's very hard to make a good boss out of a huge enemy but it's just eh

[open abyss]

Also got to take into account the completely different aesthetics as well

[twilit pumice]

Even DMC suffers trying to make gigantic bosses

[honest vortex]

I loved Ahzrak

[nimble jay]

tda has the weakest aesthitics, no contest

[bold mulch]

I think ahzraks problem is very little replay value on him, the first time you fight him it's pretty great, but once you've done it even once you rarely mess up

[open abyss]

the music was thumping and goddamn the setpieces were fire

[honest vortex]

Damn Hell Guards are my favorite boss from 2016.... and I loved Spider Mastermind equally as much as the Cyberdemon

[bold mulch]

Dude again this is a super subjective opinion

[open abyss]

exactly this!!

[nimble jay]

welcome to discord, first day?

[open abyss]

Again, personal pref.

[honest vortex]

IMO Dark Ages is by far the best aesthetically, and Eternal's actually the worst visually.

But that's my opinion

[bold mulch]

Yeah but to say no contest makes it seem like a majority opinion, which it's just not

[open abyss]

Discord vet ahh ☠️

[nimble jay]

It's how the makyrs look like plastic that sets it below 2016 for me

[twilit pumice]

I feel like Doom 4 had good bosses but not mechanically deep bosses.
More of simple fun bosses.
I also prefer the guardians

[honest vortex]

Maykr's look more plastic in Eternal than Dark Ages though

[nimble jay]

they look the same

[bold mulch]

Tbh yeah I was harsh on the hell gaurds, but the master mind is kinda a snooze fest

[open abyss]

||also, kinda disappointing how the makyr drones just turned out to be fodder. Really wished they were incorporated more here.||

[honest vortex]

Idk I loved Spider Mastermind a lot.

Astronomically better than the Icon of Shit

[nimble jay]

I mean why would you make new models for the makyrs any way? I can tell they were pressed for time because there isn't even a North, East, South, West on the compass.

[open abyss]

I ain't ever see someone so pressed for compass directions 😭 😭

[open abyss]

ICON OF SHIT LMFAOOOO 😭 😭

[nimble jay]

Yeah fuck me for looking at a compass and expecting to see a compass

[bold mulch]

Honestly yeah speak your truth, the hardest thing in the icon of sins fight is not even the boss, it's literally just the enemies

[honest vortex]

That's true. But I don't think they were meant to be "deep", just fun, memorable, and dope anyway. Like I think it's the intention

[twilit pumice]

Maybe not the drones but would've liked to see other Makyr enemies.
DLC?

[nimble jay]

But yeah 2016 vibes, eternal gunplay. That's my hope for the next doom.

Get rid of all these talking humans, weak ass kings and wolves

[open abyss]

Yeah, true. Wished the makyrs as a whole were involved more. I mean it didn't make sense to me that they literally had him trapped as their weapon, and weren't incorporated further. Most likely to be DLC though, I wouldn't be surprised.

[nimble jay]

They did hayden dirty too, real dirty

[wheat sigil]

the weapons don't interact with the enemies as much as i think they should, which does lead to a decrease in impactfulness imo
can't really comment on sound design, as i genuinely don't remember how they sound because i don't really care, it doesn't change what the weappns do

[honest vortex]

Disagree. Graphics, textures, and lighting much better, and the facial structure is completely different

[bold mulch]

we've had our differences but this i absolutely agree with

[twilit pumice]

I still do love the secret police, cultist base, Samuel Hayden, and the overall moral greyness of Doom 4.
Olivia is a victim of Samuel Hayden's will

[bold mulch]

making him the seraphim was the biggest L to ever L

[nimble jay]

Once I saw that they basically wrote him off I lost all interest in the rest of the. Hayden and the doom slayer were the only two interesting aspects.

[honest vortex]

VEGA too

[twilit pumice]

He even tells you he knew she was too weak and would've fallen to hell's influence

[bold mulch]

literally, it would've been better if they just made him a boss and killed him off

[nimble jay]

Now I got shit heads asking me to go help with the barracks, help people evacuate, missions that would go to anyone but the doom slayer

Doom slayer is supposed to be the "hail mary", we have no other options left and they're having me run errands

[bold mulch]

i think vega being the father is slightly less dumb but still very dumb

[nimble jay]

While these fucking humans talk about "i've lived in this forest for generations" or some crap

[honest vortex]

Dark Ages is the first time we play as Doomguy when he's not alone.

Which is weird in a way

[nimble jay]

He SHOULD be alone, he is the absolute last resort

i.e. everything else is fucked, dead, or both

[honest vortex]

Though in the second half of Dark Ages, he ends up being alone again

[bold mulch]

meh kinda lost me, the night sentinels are a huge part of dooms lore and a lot of us (despite its many flaws) are invested, i think it's not for everyone but imo was a very important part of the world of doom

[twilit pumice]

When looking at Doom 4's story should I not include the others into it?
I seriously doubt Hugo planned this far ahead.

[nimble jay]

I wouldn't mind the sentinels if they did something besides be stage decorations

[honest vortex]

It's so funny whenever I tell people that Kreed Maykr is voiced by Darin DePaul and they get surprised

[karmic dagger]

are there any easter eggs in TDA

[nimble jay]

I figured we would get some of that in eternal but instead we lost hayden to some shit or another

[karmic dagger]

like references to the older games or something

[honest vortex]

Samur Maykr prototype? 🤔

[bold mulch]

i do agree that they were super hyped up and were kinda useless in TDA but that might just be the doomslayer effect, it's hard to look useful compared to him

[nimble jay]

which is why he should be alone

[honest vortex]

Also idk if it's a hottake or not, but I thought Olivia Pierce was intriguing for some reason.

[nimble jay]

is that the lady whose dad is the king?

[honest vortex]

Though she kinda looks like Ellen DeGeneres tbh 😭

[bold mulch]

this is based take, samuel was super careless about her and it's partially his fault for what happened

[twilit pumice]

They're connected, obviously. But I mean in regard to what followed after.
Doom 4 set up plot points to further, and I think that's all Hugo had in place for that time.
Samuel Hayden was still human around that time and not the seraphim

[bold mulch]

olivia is cool

[honest vortex]

Though apparently Olivia was inspired by Tilda Swinton.

Shhhh. Kreed Maykr created the universe. He's as old as time.

Hugo sneaked me this info

[nimble jay]

they makyrs look like some sort of digimon villan. hate em, hope they never show up again

[bold mulch]

literally, yes she isn't innocent but as the helm of this operation it's his responsibility to make sure it doesn't spiral

[bold mulch]

well they like the night sentinels are incredibly important, i think it's necessary to show them

[honest vortex]

Kreed Maykr is fucking hilarious.

Samuel Hayden's goofy drunk side

[bold mulch]

he looks like a pug i can't with him

[nimble jay]

maybe in this continuity. keep them away from any future doom reboots please and thank you

[bold mulch]

fair enough ig

[nimble jay]

Give me actual angels instead of the holy vending machines

[twilit pumice]

Which he wanted to spiral to get the crucible.
Some things definitely didn't go as planned.
As Thomas said, Samuel Hayden did view her as a daughter of sorts but a fucked up view. I'm sure he's proud of her for enabling him to get the crucible.

[nimble jay]

ACTUAL angels, not robots

[honest vortex]

No. That's Thira

[nimble jay]

Like wings and gothic overtones

[honest vortex]

Olivia Pierce is the fucked up old lady from DOOM 2016

[twilit pumice]

Abandon thy flesh, embrace the machine god

[bold mulch]

eh i feel like doom should still pave its own path of what is an angel or demon, going too 1:1 biblical would be kinda lazy

[nimble jay]

nah the makyrs are lazy compared to having to make actual angel models

[bold mulch]

THANK YOU the maykrs should not be like biblical angels, if anything MAYBE the wraiths kinda lean into it

[nimble jay]

angel models would take a lot longer compared to these boxy fucks

[twilit pumice]

But why does it have to be a 1 to 1, instead of doing what they wish?

[honest vortex]

I didn't like Eternal's Maykrs but I like Dark Ages Maykrs.

Funny how that works

[silent surge]

they’re not, just because they say they are good. doesn’t make them that way!

[nimble jay]

I didn't say 1 to 1, someone else did

[silent surge]

above message summarizes for me

[nimble jay]

Yeah I know. They can't even put the directions on a compass, non boxy vending machines is asking WAAAAAYYY too much

[honest vortex]

Allstin, kinda random question, but do you like Dark Ages and Eternal equally?

Not sure if I seen you say which game you like more in your videos

[nimble jay]

I like how you went for the concept art and not the final product

very telling

[bold mulch]

the wraiths already kinda hold the biblical angel thing, maykrs are armored squid angels which are fit doom better, being the feathery angel wouldn't be weird and gritty enough for doom imo

[nimble jay]

I digress. Hopefully we get another reboot. I feel this Doom "timeline" has run its course.

[bold mulch]

also if you want the gothic feathery many eye angels would you want them to be antagonists? if they looked like actual angels they might not make great enemies

[nimble jay]

That looks like the angel digimon, swear to god

Yeah definitely need a reboot soon

You know Doom has undergone several reboots in its lifespan right?

[bold mulch]

to each their own, personally wouldn't mind this one sticking around for awhile HOWEVER TAG did fuck alot of stuff so the future is tricky

[nimble jay]

So you already know what I'm talking about when I say reboot, you're just playing the fool

So in 3 years we will be? That's reasonable

Only because they took it out of the base game so they can nickle and dime us later on, as is the industry standard

[silent surge]

hard to say where TDA is so new. it’s a fantastic game though

[nimble jay]

Mostly story. Get rid of all of it and start back with the atmosphere that 2016 had

[bold mulch]

there's still ALOT of the slayers past to tell, even if it were to end at TAG there's still so much we haven't seen, yes you may want a reboot but it would be lazy and kinda scummy to abandon the current one, this story has many gaps to be filled before a reboot tbh

[nimble jay]

So we just keep going back with the story, never forward? That's healthy

And it's a damn good one too

[twilit pumice]

Is that shit even canon? Lmao
The RPGs

[bold mulch]

i said even if not that it is, but where we are at there's still many questions to be answered

[nimble jay]

Yeah but how much crap are we going to get that's only loosely related to doom guy along the way?

[twilit pumice]

Will need to call upon M0no's lore guide again.
Praise be to M0no. Lol

[nimble jay]

TDA is not a bad game, it's just a bad direction to take the series

[stone mica]

paid 70 quid for the game and couldnt open it for a long while and you have just saved me

[bold mulch]

the sentinels and maykrs and all the things you have expressed distaste for are very related to doomguy, i don't mean to dog pile but to hate the nudoom lore this much you don't seem to know much about it

[honest vortex]

TDA feels like a hybrid of DOOM 64, DOOM 2016, and DOOM II Custom WADs.

Though pattern wise, yeah it'd follow 64

[nimble jay]

and the fact that you can't make a sequel, only ever prequels, makes the story kinda assy

[twilit pumice]

Doom 3 my beloved

[honest vortex]

Prequels make a series bad now?

[nimble jay]

If game after game after game after is a prequel yeah it's gonna be shitty

[honest vortex]

Bro must hate Halo

[scenic lichen]

no problem man! but im so confused, on launch medal was working fine...

[nimble jay]

1-3 are fine, went off the rails after that

[twilit pumice]

Tbf, I hated the impact of Halo on FPS.

[nimble jay]

ODST was cool but I had already read the book

[bold mulch]

we agree that TAG did make some mistakes but that doesn't make sequels impossible, doing multiple prequels in a row might not be a great decision but i wouldn't mind going back somewhere down the line

[honest vortex]

I'm saying that because Reach was a prequel lol

[nimble jay]

The "might not" factor doesn't look good to share holders

[honest vortex]

Though tbf. I thought Reach was bad, and easily Bungie's worst Halo game anyway

[nimble jay]

alright now you're smoking crack

[honest vortex]

I don't actually know why people love Reach so much tbh

[twilit pumice]

I think my favorite amongst them is Halo 2

[nimble jay]

yeah, lmao at their whole Marathon fiasco

[bold mulch]

the fall of bungie is upon us, rejoice!!

[honest vortex]

You yourself said 1-3 were fine, but the rest sucked lol

[nimble jay]

and people who still play destiny are just genuinely fucking stupid

[twilit pumice]

Nowadays most certainly
Fucking AI and stealing other people's art. And that's just the most recent shit

[bold mulch]

destiny in the big 25 is crazy yeah

like why would you do that to yourself fr

[honest vortex]

There's Halo CE, 2, 3, Reach, and ODST for Bungie Halo games

Which one is worse than Reach?

[nimble jay]

ODST was alright, not a BAD game. I still put it below 3. I'm a big lore nerd when it comes to these things so having read the book I already knew what was going to happen.

[honest vortex]

For awhile I thought either Halo 2 or 3, though in recent times I actually gravitated towards Combat Evolved.

[twilit pumice]

Depends on the looter you want.
Warframe is wonderful, but I'd also love to play Borderlands 1 and Diablo 2

[honest vortex]

ODST is worse than Reach?

[twilit pumice]

Overall, definitely.
I mean look at Halo 2 legendary. Lmao

[nimble jay]

Shiiieeet it's been so long I can't remember. There was one that had a PvE mode where you fought endless waves of enemies. I felt that was the weakest one.

[twilit pumice]

That would be firefight in Halo Reach

[honest vortex]

Halo CE has the best Legendary design.

For some reason Halo CE has the smartest AI and smartest and most mobile Elites in the franchise.

Most explorative levels. Best atmosphere....etc

[nimble jay]

I could've sworn it was ODST but we're talking about a franchise that I gave up on more than a decade ago

[twilit pumice]

Ok, rewinding for a second.
I think ODST did introduce firefight first.
Yeah, it did

[nimble jay]

I digress. This iteration of Doom has had its 3 games. Finish out TDA and make the next one more gritty/dark imo

But not connected to the current Doom games.

where the fuck did i say that

[honest vortex]

Halo 3 ODST actually had better Firefight than Reach ngl

[nimble jay]

shore

[twilit pumice]

My friends still love that series for whatever fucking reason. Despite me showing proof again and again that it's fucking dead.
But they just keep kneeling down and sucking 343.

[nimble jay]

There's wiggle room.

I mean slayin demons as the doom slayer is the foundation of Doom, can't argue with that

[twilit pumice]

The ship has already been set in motion. It's not going backwards. And Hugo is our captain

[hard thistle]

no there isn't bro fr

[gray flower]

there's a pic of a bunny on the xbox doom special edition controller ..daisy was killed during invasion of earth

[nimble jay]

Yeah there is? Just start with the basics and bulid up from there

and probably pretend TDA was just a fever dream

[gray flower]

daisy was his pet

[hard thistle]

no there isn't, but go ahead start from anywhere

[gray flower]

🤣 thats why he kill everything

[nimble jay]

Not just anywhere, you start with the doom guy slaying demons

[gray flower]

like in john wick ..they killed his dog

[nimble jay]

Probably pick hayden back up on the way

Definitely leave everyone in TDA behind

[twilit pumice]

One reason, yeah.
But not THE reason

[gray flower]

im kidding yea lol

i'll post the pic in tech channel

[nimble jay]

Sentinels can tag along

They should probably do more than decorate the scenery but that's just me

Lots of wiggle room

[tired rock]

Tbh, my biggest complain about the music is the fact that it kinda takes a quite lengthy duration for it to builds up, and also the mix

The mix is nothing bad at all if I listen to the music by itself, the problem is when I play the game and then the music starts playing in the back

The guitars feel so drowned, that's what I'm feeling. Though a mix is very subjective stuff but that's how I view it.

[gray flower]

I have executioner skin

🤣 for buying a controller

[twilit pumice]

Hopefully you are.
Most Nu Doomers take daisy and just run with her head.

[gray flower]

choook

rip bunny

[twilit pumice]

Exactly how I feel, Thomas

[gray flower]

have u seen a duck wearing slayer's helmet?

its a figurine lol

cant believe we're playing doom in 2025

ya know

[twilit pumice]

It's fucking soul crushing.
Your family and humanity being the sole reason for you pushing through literal hell. Only to survive and witness the death of your family and near extinction of humanity.
Sweet dead bunny perfectly captures how Doom Marine felt on return

[gray flower]

first doom game was brutal

[twilit pumice]

Pretty easy once you learn it. It is the easiest to learn

He probably had a mental breakdown and had to fight against his emotions to remain steadfast against the hell that awaited

[gray flower]

hang on a min

i finished the game and i didnt get any skins wtf

[scenic lichen]

I cannot sufficiently state how much I love the cosmic realms theme, I just wish the mixing made it play the best parts more often

[gray flower]

u get gold skin right?

damn

lemme check

[twilit pumice]

When my family fractured, I was having mental breakdowns on the daily and that was the most numb I ever felt in my life.
I wasn't numb, I was hollow all throughout. Mentally and physically

[gray flower]

i was on ultra violence lol

i dont mind replaying it 🙂

😍 love it

an idea just popped into my head

😐 doom tattoo???

on my forehead?

[fallen notch]

I got all 24 toys but I didn’t get the achievement, anyone know why?

[fallen notch]

The “Conquerer” skin yes. I have it, it’s all gold and pretty cool!

[gray flower]

ahh cool

[grim robin]

Do you guys play at max game speed?

[gray flower]

i have only 3 skins

[gray flower]

nope

[wheat sigil]

yes, but i lowered projectile speed

[gray flower]

i bought a new toy today ,,its a doomduck wearing slayers helmet lol

its so cute that i wanna roast it hahaha

[fallen notch]

nooo lmaoo im talking about the collectibles but thats still pretty cool tho but lol.

like in the game.

[gray flower]

i know ur talking ingame stuff lol

[fallen notch]

ohhh gotcha my bad

lolll

[gray flower]

goto tech channel and check out my doom controller

[fallen notch]

the new doom: tda controller is actually so cool.

[gray flower]

yea i got it

[fallen notch]

Same it’s so nice

[gray flower]

there's a pic of daisy on battery cover

did u look?

[fallen notch]

no?

[tranquil moss]

i beat ultra nightmare 🗣️ https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/964472230379679806/1378627566549602304/image.png?ex=683d4a79&is=683bf8f9&hm=2106fe8d46b72abce23c8b04359122d78758a0b3cb3c1c42ce9d7ba0b5518305&

[fallen notch]

sameee

[gray flower]

its inside the cover

[fallen notch]

hold on ima go check

yooo that’s cute idk how I never noticed that lol

[calm hare]

I have bought a pre-release TDA version, including dlc and the "God" skin. Does this version include game ost, and if yes, how to get it from steam?

[twilit pumice]

Maybe not the forehead.
The shoulder, chest, forearm, and outer skin of our hands would be good areas

[twilit pumice]

Not yet. And not until they fix the speed glitch

[twilit pumice]

Not sure if trophies/achievements are still buggy

[buoyant aurora]

im the biggest cosmic baron hater

[gray flower]

😍 .

[honest vortex]

And I'm the biggest lover

I was watching this montage right here that plays a lot of the best Dark Ages songs:
https://youtu.be/P-tTlqfeETw?si=CvEVeYzcPC5h3u9Y

And yeah this game's music sounds heavier, angrier, and thrashier than Mick Gordon's work to me. 😂

I also feel the basslines and drums go harder than Mick's. IMO

[buoyant aurora]

how i cant stand those guys

[honest vortex]

No hate to Mick btw.

Just think TDA music is ridiculously and extremely underrated

[buoyant aurora]

its less stressful for me to fight azhrak than 1 cosmic baron imo

[twilit pumice]

I love them to death. I don't know why others don't.

[twilit pumice]

Maybe the Nu Doomers will wake up to realization in retrospect.
Meantime, there's us who'll praise and defend it.

[manic nest]

Maybe it's a bit too much what am saying. Im not even half through The Dark Ages and am having a BLAST with the game. I die a lot of times because nightmare and because skill issues, but is SO satisfying... SOOOOOOOOO OVERLY SATISFYING. 3 new generation games, 3 BANGERS. That's all what i have to say. And yes, i caught myself at some times headbanging or hyping up because of the music. IS SO GOOD TOO

[wheat sigil]

which glitch?

[twilit pumice]

Ok, so pull out your rocket launcher do a parry to trigger cannibalism then swap over to grenade launcher. Told @real rampart about it too

It works, trust me.
Least last time when them and I were doing it, it worked

[wheat sigil]

and what would this accomplish?

[twilit pumice]

Cannibalism with grenade launcher

So you know how we get health back from the rockets? Imagine that with mutli clusters that come from grenade launcher

[wheat sigil]

so, tons of healing? not sure why this would make you not wanna play on a higher game speed though

[delicate grotto]

Hell yeah

[soft cypress]

The premium edition has the ost and digital artworks on a seperate app on steam, check if there's the second Doom the dark ages app in your library

[neon perch]

I love it when this game decides it wants to queue the fucking inputs and you die because Doomguy decides to punch again instead of blocking.

[barren shell]

is the premium upgrade thing supposed to be there despite me purchasing the premium edition?

[tranquil moss]

yes, its an announcement

[barren shell]

ok thanks

[delicate grotto]

Yeah I hate that shit too. The input delay is way too long. Would love a fix for it.

[frail plaza]

Your guys actually does some attack? My guy stands around like a dumbass taking 5 business days to swap his weapons sometimes

[hearty mural]

Anyone else here didnt got the ps5 trophy for all gun master challenge? I just did it but nothing popped up so i was wondering if more people had this problem?

[barren shell]

FR

[candid jay]

When are they gonna fix this game man

[graceful lion]

seems to be june or so, mid june

[candid jay]

Oh thanks, didn't know about that

[graceful lion]

they obviusly are working on shit, like adding path tracing and making RT better

[uneven mortar]

What makes you say that?

[graceful lion]

because it was said on their nvidia thing?

[uneven mortar]

I didn't see

I'm so excited for the weapon swap to be better

[barren shell]

But I don't understand why a phobos-looking skin gotta be 2k

[candid jay]

it's just odd i played and 100% the game completely just fine after 30 hours but now can't load into any save it keeps crashing