the-dark-ages

[frail bloom]

Huh, I mean I haven't replayed eternal since tda so I cam see for myself, it's just thwt some other people felt like eternal was way faster, maybe they didn't get a grasp of the combat loop??

[honest vortex]

Not really, but even then, it's a bland melee system compared to the cool shit you can do in Dark Ages

Same

[frail plaza]

feels like TDA melee is just way more consistent, too many times I try to glory kill in eternal and either an animation happens that denies the glory so I punch the air like a dumbass, or it just doesnt register the glory and I waste the blood punch, TDA I just shield bash and done

[velvet elbow]

Looking at it now I don’t think Eternal was faster, it was just a system that was based on not using a singlular weapon

[honest vortex]

I think having this crazy melee shenanigans and shield shenanigans in Dark Ages is a huge game changer and completely rewired my brain.

[hard thistle]

Imho doom is about the guns
You could stun lock major enemies with melee in 2016. Eternal overcorrected, TDA I think has a good balance

[hard thistle]

I'm not sure. I think it's the shield bash being so fast compared to the meat hook.
Also, sprinting vs. having to glory kill for a short boost of speed is just way better.

I just think people are playing tda weird tbh

[velvet elbow]

Also I love the I frames for the shield bash, feels better than dashing

[hard thistle]

tbf, I played weird too.
Tda took away all the mechanics that I knew, but now it's all the mechanics that I need.

[honest vortex]

Also you feel waaaay more like Doomguy that the legends foretold doing crazy melee into shooting combos in Dark Ages than just raining bullets while minimizing your cool down all day with quick swap spam in 2016 and Eternal

[frail bloom]

Ye I will say, the forst level of tda is faster than eternals there is no doubt abt that

Yu have your shieldbash and sprint, much faster

I mean I like raining bullets

[hard thistle]

yeah absolutely.
I went into World Spear Master Level after strictly doing TDA for the last few weeks or however long it's been.
Doesn't feel how I remember it

[frail plaza]

people trying too hard to play like eternal right off the bat but even tho you technically can you need to be right on timing than mindlessly quick switching

[velvet elbow]

I compare the game to Sekiro, which is weird but it makes sense to me. Sekiro takes a while for combat to click, and when fighting enemies, you gotta commit to your actions or you will die. Aka “hesitation is defeat”

[honest vortex]

Fr, I think I'm over quick swap spam from 2016 and Eternal at this point.

Dark Ages rewired my brain lol

[hard thistle]

I still want a single dash, with like a 15 second recharge or something

For those rare “AH FUCK” moments

[frail plaza]

reject quick switch slop embrace shield bash combo

[velvet elbow]

TDA is the perfect console Doom Game. I love ID, man

[honest vortex]

Yes. Dark Ages is the DOOM game we didn't know we wanted, but we absolutely needed

[dawn knoll]

Can't even get through Pandemonium mode because the game won't save properly after beating levels =/

Guess its time to retire till they get a QOL patch out

[hard thistle]

Tbf isn’t each of the modern doom games a completely different play style

[velvet elbow]

That was intentional, “slay your way” I think is what they said

[real rampart]

stand and fight

[hard thistle]

It is, I only brought this up because of the "Eternal is faster" argument I keep seeing. Had to go back and test if it were true tbh

[honest vortex]

Shield bash, parry, magnet, cancel, charge chain shot into parry into gauntlets, into shield runes, and then shoot again.

Then you parry again and start self healing yourself with the rocket launcher

[frail plaza]

honestly even base TDA was pretty damn fast idk what people were talking about

[frail bloom]

I mean it would be cool if yu parried and it allowed yu to quickswap for 5 seconds as a rune

That would be the fairest and most balanced way to have quickswapping, integrate it with your shield

[real rampart]

slay your way sounds like a promotional line for rupaul drag race

[lavish kindle]

Yes, and I'll never understand the people who say they "can't go back" to older titles. Each loop fits different moods and there are many times where I want to play one game but not the other.

[velvet elbow]

It’s the gayest shit I’ve ever heard but they right

[hard thistle]

Eternal feels like I'm playing a bumblebee.
And it's not like I'm not ballista boosting and using all the tech lol

[frail plaza]

perfection

[hard thistle]

Yeah for me I prefer the precision eternal requires, but I’ve also just never been a tank player

Slay your way ig ✨

[velvet elbow]

Fuckin dex players

[hard thistle]

I feel like I need to use more precision in TDA ngl.

[honest vortex]

Same

[frail bloom]

Raytracing lol

[hard thistle]

I can finally say,
The Dark Ages > Keyboard: Eternal

[frail bloom]

Anyways my shield rune idea is genius hire me hugo

[mental grotto]

Real

[velvet elbow]

Eternal feels like your playing as Robin, TDA feels like you’re Batman

[honest vortex]

Dark Ages you feel like a zooming teleporting Sekiro DMC Captain America tank.

Not just a tank.

[hard thistle]

It’s a tank gameplay style

[frail bloom]

What's with the question mark, there are raytraced bullets in the game

Right?
@storm forge

[honest vortex]

Yes but it's a special type of tank

[frail bloom]

Now that I think abt it, thomas has not been in here much

[hard thistle]

Still a tank

[velvet elbow]

I don’t like the forced ray tracing, but that’s because I’m stuck with integrated graphics so I got no room to talk

[hard thistle]

Maybe I need 600 FOV to enjoy Eternal again

[honest vortex]

Yeah but still, the GOAT of tanks

[hard thistle]

Unfortunately technology marches on
RT hardware has been around for a fat minute and TDA supports pretty much all of it

[honest vortex]

Maybe I need to delete Dark Ages from my memory bank to enjoy 2016 and Eternal again

[frail bloom]

I am a master of game design

[velvet elbow]

I’m just broke as shit

[frail bloom]

Gotta pat muhself on the back🦗

[frail plaza]

play eternal but every enemy is tha marauder and there you go TDA

[hard thistle]

deal

[honest vortex]

Also hottake but I'd go as far as to say Dark Ages combat can be as deep, complex, and technical as Eternal, maybe even more so.

Just in a different way.

And IMO in a cooler and fresher way

[hard thistle]

I think it's more deep

[velvet elbow]

TDA feels that like that one ad for breaks with the guy head butting the wrecking ball

[frail plaza]

basically a character action hack n slash but as an fps

[frail bloom]

Maybe but the difference is that yu don't rrally need to engage in those systems, neither does the game make yu. I think that is the biggest contention with doom eternal #1 people

[honest vortex]

I know there's green light parries a lot in TDA, but I never really was reminded of the Marauder, except for Agaddon Hunters

[frail bloom]

Or so I heard

Just paraphrasing

[hard thistle]

Eternal also has 5 years of fixes and 2 dlc under its belt, so tda needs a little time

[real rampart]

and its their own fault to expect that from every Doom game post Eternal, the franchise has never promised itself to be centered and about skill expression

[frail bloom]

Tda better have me against 2 komodos

[honest vortex]

For me the fun and enjoyability is the incentive to push the mechanics.

Pushing Dark Ages combat to be crazy feels a lot more fun and satisfying than doing it in Eternal.

Especially when you put TDA on 110% or 120% game speed

[hard thistle]

Shutupshutupshutup

[frail bloom]

Nvm one komodo makes me scared to sleep at night anyways

[mental grotto]

Unironically yes. And more encounters with multiple super heavies in general

[frail bloom]

Guys komodos are no joke

[honest vortex]

Also helps that Dark Ages has like the sexiest looking, sounding, and feeling guns ever

[frail bloom]

They're like the fastest superheavy

[barren warren]

5 spectre enforcer-buffed komodos

[frail plaza]

think alot of times people think having good aim = really skilled when theres so much more you could do than being able to click things

[honest vortex]

That guy's introduction boss music is God tier

[frail bloom]

At that point just use the bfc

[real rampart]

tbf playing video games is all about clicking things

[frail bloom]

I just realized, I actually wanted to use the bfc in some encounters

Cuz the game was kicking my ass at some point

And I was just tired, mostly komodos

[mental grotto]

Remember how eternal introduced spectre whiplashes in the master levels? I’d like to present to you: spectre Komodos

[hard thistle]

PUT SOME RESPECT ON ETERNAL’S HEAVY CANNON 🗣️

[frail bloom]

I like the missiles and scope

Base cannon is dookie juice

[frail plaza]

its such a good "eh cant be arsed rn" speaking of what exactly is wrong with the komodos? or the cosmic barons i see people complain about them alot

[honest vortex]

I also have the hottake where I think 2016 isn't even necessarily less deep than Eternal.

There's holo swap and faster quick swap combos than Eternal and just some tech with quick swaps that weren't in Eternal.

It's just Eternal pushes you to learn its depth better than what 2016 did

[barren warren]

new type of enforcer that gives all nearby enemies the spectre effect

or a buff totem

[hard thistle]

Both of them have wildly different attack parry windows than pretty much every other enemy in the game

[honest vortex]

Tl;Dr; all three modern DOOM games allows you to push super deep and crazy combat if you want to

[frail bloom]

On higher speeds, they are almost impossible to dodge

Granted, it's a higher speed

[mental grotto]

That’d be fucked lmao

[frail bloom]

Besides that, they're well balanced normally

[frail plaza]

oh yeah true I never tried fighting them in anything other than 120

[mental grotto]

Super unpopular take but I think increased game speed is a very cheap way to add artificial difficulty to the game

[hard thistle]

You get literally a split second to react at max speed, and if you miss it you’re screwed

[hard thistle]

Okay then turn up the damage

Y'all's have inspired me to fight the Champion Komodo on Max sliders.

[frail bloom]

It is, difficulty is based on enemy placement, ammo manageamaent, and the arena you are in. Turning up game speed just makes it unbalanced, good thing yu don't have to

[hard thistle]

brb

[frail plaza]

max sliders and lowest slider for the enemy taking damage

[mental grotto]

I plan to on my next playthrough. Plus increased projectile speed and lowered parrying window

[wheat sigil]

why does it make it unbalanced?

[hard thistle]

That's what I consider max sliders.
(Just easier to say)

Just play on nightmare and don’t change settings

[mental grotto]

World’s number 1 game speed defender right here

[wheat sigil]

enemies die instantly

[hard thistle]

Never played default Nightmare. Don't think I will tbh

[wheat sigil]

same

[real rampart]

I just want the option to disable the parry/melee slow motion and Im gucci

[mental grotto]

Real

[wheat sigil]

gotta get back on my tda grind, haven't touched my pc in a few days

[hard thistle]

I think they'll be adding it soon

You and the rest of the class

[real rampart]

higher game speed looks cool, but the npcs talking make me want to cry out of laugher

[hard thistle]

Literal slacker.
Get to it, wtf.

[frail bloom]

Unbalanced in a sense that yu can die way more cheaply and unfairly to really high speeds, it depends on tje player I guess. But if you're looking for like a sort of puzzle, enemy placement and the arena would probably dictate difficupty in a more natural way. If that makes sense? Can someone help me out here I'm dum

[hard thistle]

The upped speed shouldn’t affect NPC voices at all

[real rampart]

but it does

[wheat sigil]

what would cheaply and unfairly be? because you don't add some kind of invisible insta-kill enemy, things just happen faster, which also means you die faster, but you get to kill things faster too

[wheat sigil]

true

[frail bloom]

Uh uh I'm saying that raising the speed isn't the best way to make it harder???

Guys help

[mental grotto]

I’m with you here, it’s hard to describe but imo increasing the game speed to make the game more difficult is a lot less interesting than having more complicated arenas/enemy placement. Increased game speed just means you need faster reaction time which is cool I guess, but again just not as interesting as more complex combat encounters

[frail bloom]

I am trying to convey smt but I can't I don't have the nuerons

[wheat sigil]

it's not just faster reaction time, reaction time barely matters in this game

[frail bloom]

I'll let guts with corona explain it maybe

[wheat sigil]

(parrying is not about reaction time btw)

[frail bloom]

Is that guts btw in your profile

[mental grotto]

A projectile/demon being faster and requiring you to dodge/parry faster would by nature require… faster… nevermind

[honest vortex]

Probably right, but at the same time, some people like the added artificial difficulty, and it's neat to have the choice to do so IMO

[mental grotto]

Yes, holding a 40oz corona like his sword

[honest vortex]

Though to me 110% speed and 120% speed doesn't feel artificial, but other sliders might

[frail bloom]

WHAT I'M SAYING is that for dlc I would like the game to be harder than the base campaign, naturally, idk how but they can figurr it out

[wheat sigil]

more enemies

[real rampart]

are we really beefing with an option that affects absolutely nothing other than the person who chooses to increase the speed

[honest vortex]

They'll find a way.

I can't fucking wait for Cosmic Realm Master Levels

[mental grotto]

Nah I don’t think it was a bad addition and it’s cool that some players are enjoying it, the elitism bugs me though. But that’s just a general problem with the doom playerbase

[honest vortex]

I wonder if the DLCs will take us back to the Cosmic Realm as well

[frail bloom]

Well hold your horses it ain't confirmed yet

[cursive coral]

2 komodos at the same time, that should be fun

[mental grotto]

No one’s beefing lol just a disagreement and back-and-forth convo about the game’s feature

[honest vortex]

Tbh I haven't noticed too much elitism from TDA's fanbase.

Definitely noticed a lot more from Eternal's fanbase

[real rampart]

What I want is Master Levels, Horde Mode and if possible, a mission randomizer

[lilac swan]

I can't wait for a part where they're going to throw 10 cosmic barons at once

[honest vortex]

I thought Hugo confirmed Master Levels in one of the recent streams

[dawn knoll]

That's what I heard him say

[mental grotto]

Yeah not yet, but they’ll come

[honest vortex]

What about 5 Cosmic Barons, with the return of regular Barons, and there's 5 regular Barons accompying them

[real rampart]

I mean, the game doesnt have multiplayer, so its very likely we could expect Master Levels. Its not like they have to waste resources and time on PVP

[mental grotto]

Not necessarily confirmed but he did say he would like to add them

[hard thistle]

I think that’s a bug fella

I wish I got that bug lmao

[frail bloom]

He WANTS to but he wanted to do a comic and look what happened to that

[honest vortex]

I hope Horde mode is more like Shadow Warrior 3 rather than Eternal's

[lilac swan]

could have the return of the regular cacodemon too

[honest vortex]

He also wanted Invasion mode and.....yeah you have a point

[cursive coral]

we need the archvile back

[frail bloom]

Yes muh classic boi

[dawn knoll]

I'd personally like to see a rougelike mode with AI generated levels

[real rampart]

if its a bug its like literally what happens to EVERYONE, if you put the game speed on 150% any time there's an npc talking mid game (not cutscenes), they will be speaking faster

[hard thistle]

I don't actually agree that it's about reaction time.

It's more like music, and pacing. Considering game speed is just BPM (Beats per minute)

[honest vortex]

I hope they add death from above glory kills to the new Cacos as well as the Classic Cacos

[frail bloom]

I so happen to be drawing his tda equivalent right now

I have already drawn the baron and chaingunner, who wants to see!!

[real rampart]

like, its not even "it only happened to me", it happens to everyone 100% of the time, any dialogue happening in the middle of gameplay sounds sped up

[honest vortex]

I hope they're like 2016 Barons.

Cosmic Barons and 2016 Barons are my favorite Barons in the franchise

[lilac swan]

I like that the stalker imps make the classic DOOM 2 archvile death sound

[wheat sigil]

@hard thistle it's midnight right now and i'm dead tired because i haven't slept nearly enough, perfect time to continue tda
we gaming

[cursive coral]

sure, post it on #screenshots

[frail bloom]

Here's muh interpertation

#screenshots message

[hard thistle]

I gotta figure out how to force this for mine I want some laughs

[hard thistle]

Let's goooooo!
Sleep deprived gameplay.

[frail bloom]

I'll post the chaingunner later

[wheat sigil]

i am about to get fucked lmaoo

[hard thistle]

Lmao

(You should stream that shit ngl)

New challenge runs;
1 week without sleep, TDA Nightmare gameplay.

[lilac swan]

I think adding the classic Hell Knight in the DLC would be a good addition too

[frail bloom]

#artwork messagehere

[frail bloom]

I would love that, Like a lot, but it seems really hard for them to make an abundant amount of enemies so I'm just including ones that have jot had their classic look reimagined yet

[delicate stirrup]

The Ballista should be added in a DLC

[real rampart]

dude, like, its not even possible to not make it sound like that, its literally what happens, you just havent paid attention enough

[frail bloom]

that would break the game but okei

[real rampart]

or didnt play on 150% speed to notice it

[hard thistle]

Who shit in your soup bruh goddamn

[tame shale]

I absolutely love switching to dread mace and turret rune for 1v1s. Cosmic Barrons become a joke with distance parries then dread mace smack when they close in.

[delicate stirrup]

It could be tweaked to fit the playstyle

[scenic lichen]

i think we have more than enough guns as is ngl

[honest vortex]

I hope they add 2016 Summoners tbh

[wheat sigil]

nevermind i'm cracked😎

[frail bloom]

It's not like they ommitted those weapons for no reason

[honest vortex]

Nah MOAR

[real rampart]

huh? you just saying it doesnt happen often or its a bug, when its literally a thing that happens and its not like 1 out of 10 times, it happens 100% of the times. Either you didn't pay attention or didnt play with enough high speed to notice.

[frail bloom]

That's what the acolytes are

Ugh, acolytes

[tame shale]

Acolytes summoning purple circles of death = bane of my existence

[lilac swan]

A good BFC variant would be nice, like unmaykr in eternal

[frail bloom]

well same role not same species

[frail bloom]

They're too easy for me, and besides the model viewer, they look boring ingame, to me at least

[delicate stirrup]

Well there's only two guns per class, though some have only one gun.

[frail bloom]

I liked the summoners and archies more, but acolyte is alr

Just too green for my liking

[tame shale]

They are easy. Only issue is when they appear and u don't notice so the purple squares are your first warning. They can be avoided though

[frail bloom]

And looks like a pirate

Like what is this lol

[lilac swan]

the chainshot is the only one that doesn't have a second weapon

[hard thistle]

Yuh

[delicate stirrup]

Oh

And the BFC

[hard thistle]

Noticed the 50,000 sunken ships throughout half the game? It’s a theme

[frail bloom]

Well I don't like the pirates grrr

[hard thistle]

Fair enough lol

[delicate stirrup]

Anyways the Harvester should be made into an NPC demon. They did it for the Prowler in Eternal and made it a teleporting enemy, so Harvester I guess could be a medic enemy.

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

WOE, dead mouse batteries be upon ye!!!

[tame shale]

Completed pande and doing um now. I think only things worth upgrading are

Shield

impaler, turret, dread mace for 1v1s

super shotgun, flail, and ground fissure for big battles and armor pickups

pulverizer for berserker based battles

Rocket launcher for long distance snipes and pre engagement kills

[ember drum]

does anyone know if doom the dark ages runs on steam deck

[honest vortex]

They don't seem to function quite the same tbh

Though am I the only who liked the new Cosmic enemies?

Idk they look cool as hell and the way they fight is super cool.

I didn't really have much of a problem with them

[frail bloom]

Muh problem is that they aren't variants, they replace muh beloveds

So I'm sad

[honest vortex]

That is true.

I feel like they shouldn't have replaced any of the demons, just added them in addition to

Acolytes, Summoners, and Archviles all at once would actually be so fucking cool

[frail bloom]

As variants they would be awesome

Much better than reskins

which is a problem in this game

[honest vortex]

Imagine if Eternal fireborne Barons, 2016 Barons, and Cosmic Barons were in the same encounter during Master Levels for example.

That'd be so sick

[ember drum]

ok so i looked and somehow doom the dark ages runs on steam deck

[frail bloom]

Stop it you're making me happy

[ember drum]

only around 30 fps on low settings but tbh thats still pretty good

[ember drum]

imagine if they added a small chance for that to happen

wonder if theyll ever do anything sort of like doom 2016 where you can play the og 1993 levels if you find them in the campaignn again

[real rampart]

its not completely impossible considering the steamdeck gpu is raytracing capable

[ember drum]

yeah the steam deck is honestly the greatest and most powerful handheld i have ever sseen on this very earth

[real rampart]

I think if you use the mod that allows you to decrease the graphics more to play around below 8gb vram, I think you should be able to get even more fps out of it

[ember drum]

noted

[vital rapids]

I guess they'd have to be redone to fit the game which could take a while. Perhaps these things will be in the DLC

[ember drum]

then once i have the dark ages then i will have every doom on steam deck

i own the entire doom franchise minus doom the dark ages on like 3 differne platforms and idk why

[honest vortex]

Btw do y'all like Dark Ages or Eternal more?

Or you like both equally?

[ember drum]

looking at dark ages gameplay and having played all of doom eternal mains campaign honestly, both, both is good

[honest vortex]

For those who like Dark Ages more.

Do you feel like it's recency bias, or do you think you'll hold onto that opinion?

[real rampart]

some aspects I like TDA more, others I think Eternal did better

[honest vortex]

For me, I think I'll stay this way.

I think I'll stay liking Dark Ages more, and it's not recency bias for me

[real rampart]

mostly progression pacing issues

*for me

[ember drum]

i kinda wish the snapmap mode for making ur own maps in doom 2016 returned in the dark ages

[honest vortex]

I saw a poll yesterday where the vast majority voted they liked DOOM 2016 and Dark Ages equally to each other

Which I thought was cool

[ember drum]

i mean doom 2016 was great

and snapmap is pretty good, hope it'll come back in any potential games after the dark ages

[honest vortex]

It's the game that made me fall in love with DOOM.... even though I ended up loving the classic games too

[honest vortex]

SnapMaps is unironically incredible.

You have to search deep on YouTube and Discord to find the crazy shit

But I played many extremely awesome shit on there

[ember drum]

kinda wish the boss demons were in snapmap

imagine a map where its just you, some demons and the cyberdemon

[honest vortex]

SnapMaps, especially those that incorporate SnapHak technology is probably the biggest reason why I like 2016 more than Eternal.

[honest vortex]

I seen some crazy custom bosses in SnapMaps, but yeah I agree

[honest vortex]

2016 Cyberdemon would be crazy in custom levels

[ember drum]

i can imagine someone making a level of just cyberdemons

shit would basically be like undertale fan games, just boss bullshit spam

[honest vortex]

I just realized....is Hmmmp slowly starting to.... like Dark Ages?

[ember drum]

yk i just thought of something

[honest vortex]

He called it a huge disappointment, but maybe it's me, but it feels like the game is growing on him?

[ember drum]

why the hell are game journalist so bad at doom, well at games in general

[vital rapids]

Because games journalists are not drawn from normal people with intelligence, favored for their keen interest in the subject matter. Same problem that affects so many professions

[ember drum]

honestly game journalist just should not be a job or have higher standards

because on this 1 review with doom eternal its like this 1 idiot got stuck on a LITERALLY SO OBVIOUS PATH and was lost

[wheat sigil]

doom eternal got very positive reviews from game journalists btw

[ember drum]

ik but its like idk who the hell the dude doing a little 10 minute gameplay of doom eternal before its release but man bro was horrible

[terse hollow]

Lmao do people even actually listen to game journalists even if they did finish the game? I can't think of a single time I've felt like looking at a article for a opinion on the game rather then just watching some gameplay or looking at the reviews from people who've actually bought it

[real rampart]

the problem is that game journalism doesnt require you to be decently good at video games, just that you are graduated in journalism and knows how to write text

[ember drum]

sort of why i avoid game reviews mostly, they basically make up bullshit on how the game is too hard or they literally spoil the biggest parts of the game mid review so casually

[terse hollow]

There is no possible way to actually get a feel of a game from a reading a journalists opinion. Because it will always be an opinion lol, you need to see it to make one yourself at least

[ember drum]

really imagine reading a review for the classic cod mw3 and then they just casually say soap dies

[vital rapids]

If you fill your publication with people who are connected by family or peers, have degrees in irrelevant subjects and have experience of Candy Crush and maybe Animal Crossing, that's who you get writing reviews about skills-based FPS or strategy games or deep RPGs, and spending their articles wibbling about their politics or QQing because it's a bit hard to get into

[ember drum]

like man half the time i even read reviews is after i buy the game lmao

[real rampart]

game journalists are a celebrated marketing tool by the industry, because liking it or not big names like ign, kotaku and etc even having their popularity known as "shitty at video games", they still are very much responsible on attracting public to the title

[ember drum]

i just thought of something

[vital rapids]

Another problem related to basically not caring much about the medium or the experience people will be getting

[ember drum]

imagine if they release the dark ages on switch 2

that shit would be running at 10 frames per century

[real rampart]

lots of folks are attracted by other means, but a good chunk are moms and dads that are not too inserted in the gaming community in general, but do like to play video games, so they depend on game journos as their compass to research if x game would be worth their money

[vital rapids]

Would be 100% up for that, because Switch 2 is the only portable console with real mouse and keys

[ember drum]

honestly after the bullshit with the new switch terms of service theres no way in hell i would

[frail bloom]

Idk it's a new doom game he wouldn't drop it, he probably still feels the same

[terse hollow]

Steam deck? You get mods too

[ember drum]

since they can literally brick your console if you mod it and other bullshit

[real rampart]

once I read/seen somewhere that the correct way of seeing game reviews is to discover which game journalist matches your style and kinds of games, and instead of looking for ign in general, you would look for that specific reviewer as your main source

[vital rapids]

Steam Deck is a) a much weaker system and b) does not come with integrated dual mouse

[ember drum]

how is the steam deck a much weaker system

[simple mist]

Have yall seen dsp play this gake

[ember drum]

legit list one other handheld that can play gta 5

[simple mist]

He makes a gaming journalist look like zero master

[terse hollow]

Can connect both k&m to it im pretty sure and I would 100% rather have a actual keyboard and mouse not a crappy integrated one. Plus fuck Nintendo lol, can just torrent and emulate their crap

[wheat sigil]

what's the difference

[ember drum]

yeah like honestly i dont even get why people act like elden ring on switch 2 is that interesting when valve already got it on a handheld when it released

plus we got the 60 and 90 fps advantage

[vital rapids]

T239 is a better gpu with better rt, and it has a better CPU. Hence day one Cyberpunk 2077 with Phantom Liberty

[terse hollow]

Yeah i don't have one unfortunately but I've heard it actually runs stuff pretty decently. Apparently sm2 runs no problem on it and I know it runs like shit on my console so it can't be that bad😂

[vital rapids]

Not carrying a keyboard and mouse to take out on the move... lol!

[terse hollow]

And again. Fuck Nintendo, I don't care if its slower, I'd rather have a slightly slower handheld then pay for their overpriced games and console

[ember drum]

nintnedo being able to legally brick our switch 2s for any reason and 80 dollar games are why i hate them

[terse hollow]

😂 fair point, but you definitely can they don't take up much space

[simple mist]

Zero master is one of the best doom players period;in contrast,DSP is a lolcow

[vital rapids]

I mean I'm playing a game more expensive than any switch 2 game.
Why am I fucking Nintendo then

[terse hollow]

With the dlc and exclusives

[ember drum]

really the thing that makes the steam deck worth best is becasue of the sales

[terse hollow]

Not base fuckin price of $80😂

[wheat sigil]

zero master may may be for the classics, but absolutely not for the new

[vital rapids]

I genuinely wish the base price of Doom was the equivalent of 80 dollars where I live. Imagine paying half price

[terse hollow]

Tf how expensive is it for you? Thought they lower the prices for other country's 😂

I know its $69 for ps5 and was free for me since I have game pass

Can already get steam keys for $58 on g2a and shit

So where tf is it more then $80

[frail bloom]

Uh oh I had the bug which kicks me out to the main menu when I load levels

[boreal pecan]

yall think we gonna have in the campaing dlc how valens son dies and his soul goes to icon of sin?

[delicate grotto]

TDA should’ve been $50 USD imo. $80 is too expensive for a 20-25 hour singleplayer campaign with no additional content to offer.
I gladly paid the $100 for my premium edition of the game, but I’m an avid Doom fan.

[boreal pecan]

but the gameplay is peak

[ember drum]

honestly if oblivion remastered was 50 dollars, then why the hell is the dark asf ages 70

[frail bloom]

Wasn't eternal 60 tho, I think 70 is fair

[terse hollow]

$70, free on gamepass and already have discounted keys for steam.

[delicate grotto]

I agree, but it’s still expensive.

[vital rapids]

.21 % of average salary for standard, .29% for premium. Grabbing calculator

[frail bloom]

What abt 65 bucks

[vital rapids]

$130 and $188 respectively

[delicate grotto]

A happy medium, there we go, lol

[frail bloom]

I agree but I payed 100 so I'm not the right dude to talk to this abt lol but I agree

[ember drum]

well anyways, goodbye gentlemen, im off to make stupidly difficult snap map levels

[delicate grotto]

You’re right it’s $70, mb.
Still, it’s more money for less content than a lot of other games priced less. I’m not saying it isn’t worth the $70, because it is to me. But I’m someone who loves this franchise and this game.
For the average player, it’s quite pricey.

[terse hollow]

And how much is that in usd

No clue what country you're in so i can't check lol

[vital rapids]

That's real terms cost translated into US dollars for comparison

[terse hollow]

Oh are we talking about the original doom?

[vital rapids]

Us costs are what $70 base? What's the premium again?

[terse hollow]

$100

Thought we were talking about tda 😂 took a second to realize you're talking about one of the older games my bad

[night prawn]

does anybody know how to fix doom the dark ages crashes on start up

[vital rapids]

We are talking about TDA

[terse hollow]

What fuckin country is it $130 in then im confused

I either didn't smoke enough or smoked to much

[vital rapids]

US price is .10% and .15% of annual salary respectively, vs .21 and. 28

[hard thistle]

Specs

[night prawn]

amd ryzen 5 5600x
amd radeon 6700 10gb
32 gb ram ddr4 3600mhz
gigabyte b450 ds3h

[night prawn]

here

[hard thistle]

You already verified game files?

[night prawn]

yes

on the xbox app
i even deleted some stuff in game folder and then verified it

[vital rapids]

This is in France, UK, other places

[night prawn]

i even downgraded my gpu drivers @hard thistle

[vital rapids]

Exchange rate price is lower, but wages in US are much higher vs cost of game, hence "real terms" comparison to express actual cost to a person in dollar equivalent

ie. a percentage of average wage

rent, etc

[night prawn]

@hard thistle wtf it works now how the f

[wheat sigil]

ooh, facing my first agaddon hunter

[vital rapids]

This by the way is why so many people freaked out about it. 100 euros is kind of massive

[frail bloom]

Good luck

[terse hollow]

Okay yeah that makes sense now😂 was just confused at first

[vital rapids]

Yeah sorry, I totally should have been clear, this is not the exchange rate

If it was, you'd be selling your car to buy the game 😂

Although at >100 euro, it is not so impossible

[zealous grotto]

let me know if u fix it

[night prawn]

i fixed it

[zealous grotto]

cause for me i encounter problems after each fix

[night prawn]

but i dont understand

all i did was to close every in game overlay

[zealous grotto]

wdym? like discord , medal , steam?

[night prawn]

yes

[zealous grotto]

which specific

[night prawn]

all of them

[zealous grotto]

just the 3?

[hard thistle]

Doesn’t the splash screen for TDA specifically say some overlays are busted, like rivatuner

[night prawn]

i had steam, dc, amd driver, medal

[zealous grotto]

driver?

how do i check if i have any overlays open?

[night prawn]

amd software adrenaline

[night prawn]

idk

[vital rapids]

Nvidia app has an equivalent settings section to turn off overlay, too. Also some people have reported having to exit Asus GPU Tweak III

[zealous grotto]

where

[night prawn]

the game runs poorly

[zealous grotto]

u mean after u fixed it?

[plain iron]

The game running poorly is because of driver issues.

[night prawn]

on full hd its 60 fps

[zealous grotto]

try using dlss and 2x frame generation

[night prawn]

which is weird i have everything on low

[night prawn]

got amd i dont have dlss

[zealous grotto]

oh right

[night prawn]

i turned amd super res on

[zealous grotto]

bro i love you it actually worked and im get like +30 fps now i have 170 rn

only bad thing i that i cant clip with medal now

[vital rapids]

Nvidia app -> settings, first item

[zealous grotto]

did u mean turn it on or off?

[vital rapids]

Off

[zealous grotto]

oh its already off

[hard thistle]

6700 barely meets the minimum requirements
1080p 60fps low is what they advertised

[zealous grotto]

finnally after 2 days i can enjoy playing this damn game

hope everything gets fixed

[night prawn]

why the hell is Raytracing on

[vital rapids]

There's no option to have rt off, it is core to the game

[night prawn]

wtf

why would they uses RT in a fast based shooter

[hard thistle]

Because it’s 2025

[plain iron]

Time to get the message.

[frail bloom]

How does someone still not know this

[hard thistle]

Ray tracing has been in hardware for 8 years now

[night prawn]

thats not a reason why you are being forced to use it

[vital rapids]

It uses it to light the world, and everything possible is offloaded to the GPU to enable those masses of physics, ai, particles etc to run well on potato

[hard thistle]

“Why is tessellation forced on???”

It’s just another technology, it’s been out for EIGHT years now

[vital rapids]

Including things like hardware accelerated pixel-accurate hit detection

[night prawn]

ah ok ok

[frail bloom]

At least in 5 years, the requirements won't be much higher bc we would all have better hardware and ID has optimized their level size and enemy counts so this tech push is better for later on

Am I making sense or am I dum

[hoary heron]

Anyone figure out how to spawn enemies or other npcs through the console yet? Or is it not possible?

[vital rapids]

Which you can use rt cores for, id has decided to great effect to be fair

[hard thistle]

No you make sense
Different tech requires different dedicated hardware. There’s tons of things in modern GPUs that older GPUs just straight up cannot do because they lack the hardware

RT is just another thing

[vital rapids]

fingers a linear-swept sphere thoughtfully

[frail bloom]

Yay I made sense,

I can imagine this being a doom 2016 to eternal situation where the specs won't be much higher at all bc they already pushed raytracing forward

[hoary heron]

Oh the memories of feeling left out when I still only had a DX9 video card when DX10/11 games were coming out.

[hard thistle]

Oh your puter is 6 months old? Lmao get fucked, idiot

The good ol days lmao

[vital rapids]

At the start of this year I was living the 25fps life

[vital rapids]

"Get a job, n00b" etc. Ah, kinder simpler times

[hoary heron]

wish I could summon a dragon on any map, just to break stuff

I know I remember watching a video where a player bugged out and spawned in a atlan map with just the slayer.

[frail bloom]

I think they could use the magnet things for your shield in arenas, you can look around while doing those

Would be cool in dlc

[vital rapids]

Dragon kills are 100% worth the abject misery of the dodge qte thing imo. Imagine if you could call in "air support" to do one of those kills on a super heavy

[frail bloom]

Yu know why aren't there dragon enemies

That would be cool
Wasn't davoth supposed to turn into a dragon anyway

[vital rapids]

This is sounding weirdly like DLC campaign spoilers

[frail bloom]

Ye it's tag 2, hugo wanted davoth to turn into a dragon but time constraints stopped him

Unless he's saving it

[vital rapids]

You have to get credit for predicting this if we get bad dragon

[frail bloom]

Ooooohhh

I don't need credit I just wanna fight smt cool

[vital rapids]

Slayer vs dragon, medieval style...

[frail bloom]

Oooh and since we don't have our dragon lol lol we can fight dragons on ground

[vital rapids]

Which in truth sounds way better

[frail bloom]

Ye serrat sorry

[vital rapids]

Hyper heavy boss rumor confirmed

(to be a rumor that exists)

[barren warren]

there is already a model for demonic wintherin in tag2 so it is possible

[formal root]

Maybe the dlc could consist of the first signs of hell corrupting the world or Argent D’nur

[honest vortex]

How TF does someone like Dead K3y loves Dark Ages, but Hmmmp doesn't.

Hmmmp atleast loved 2016 in addition to Eternal.

Dead K3y hated 2016 and hates the classic games, but still loved Dark Ages

[potent wasp]

Is there a comprehensive guide somewhere that explain what attacks drop health, armor, ammo? I have a few questions and am looking for some clarification:

• I know Execution kills have guaranteed drops, right? (is it armor, ammo AND health?).

• And I think melee attacks have some guaranteed drops (or is it just the 3rd finisher? And is it just armor and ammo?).

• Does Shield Charge or Shield Throw have any guaranteed drops?

• And is there any guaranteed way to get health drops?

• Is it always preferable to glory kill an enemy, and use melee attacks as often as possible because of the additional drops?

[honest vortex]

I thought you already beat the game tbh

[frail bloom]

No clue, I ain't him

[wheat sigil]

racism

[honest vortex]

My theory is Hmmmp overplayed TF out of Eternal to the point where he's just sick of DOOM in general which skewed to him being disappointed

[honest vortex]

M1, I do have a question for you though....

[wheat sigil]

mkayy

[honest vortex]

But idk Dead K3y played Eternal more than him

[honest vortex]

Why did you create the 😭 emoji

[wheat sigil]

because it's so cool and awesome and great and versatile

[honest vortex]

Nah but fr, did I do something recently that bothered you? (Maybe it's all the DOOM comparisons idk)

[wheat sigil]

hmmp played like 2 times as much

[honest vortex]

I thought I put "might" have. My b

[wheat sigil]

why you wondering that? xd
but yea, i feel like whenever i look in here and you're in chat you're bringing up the same points with your comparisons of the games

like personally i think it's more fun to talk about tda and its mechanics rather than deciding which game is the best when they're all (intentionally) different

[honest vortex]

I guess it's just because you used to say I was super based all the time.

But recently you said my based level is a mixed bag lol

[wheat sigil]

i have gotten old, can't keep up with all the glazing needing to be done anymore...

my knees actually creak

[honest vortex]

I see. The Doom comparison thing is the only thing bothering you?

Or is there another thing

[wheat sigil]

and the back of my head makes like popping sounds when i walk sometimes

especially when jumping in a trampoline

[honest vortex]

Damn. That sucks

[honest vortex]

I suppose that's fair and fare

[left latch]

The easy mode for DOOM: The Dark Ages should have been called: Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me...

[frail bloom]

Oh ye I have smt where my body spasms when I sneeze, I can describe it like electric shock lite maybe

[honest vortex]

Reminds me of Wolfenstein

[frail bloom]

It's rare but it happens

[honest vortex]

You can be real if there's something else

[rough thicket]

Guys, is it possible to change the resolution of Doom outside of it?

[honest vortex]

Some of my family's like that I think

[frail bloom]

Uh how old are they generally, like adults?

[rough thicket]

guys who can help me?

[honest vortex]

Yeee

[ebon stirrup]

Maybe if Splatoon 3 had a 3-year development lifecycle, Nintendo would’ve probably learned something from id Software because Side Order was so ass, man!

[frail bloom]

Damn it
I'm like 16
That's not good

[potent wasp]

Lol, I had that same problem when I first installed too-- the resolution was messed up, so i couldnt accept the ToS... I forget how I fixed it.. took about 20 minutes of googling, lol

[honest vortex]

Wtf. Sorry to hear that

[frail bloom]

It's alr it's rare but when it happens it sucks

[honest vortex]

Oh. I think almost everyone gets it sometimes. I thought you meant all the time

[frail bloom]

Like your bones start hurting? Huh

[ebon stirrup]

Doom shows us how you innovate gameplay, while Splatoon does not.

[frail bloom]

Or is it joints

[honest vortex]

I know back pain can be common from sneezing, so I wouldn't be surprised

[frail bloom]

That's one of them, but my neck arms and legs hurt too smt, I guess it is common

[hollow sandal]

Splatoon does mostly same gameplay in the next iteration?

[rough thicket]

I installed Doom, then I tested the resolution, then when I opened the game again, the game went to a black screen.

[ebon stirrup]

Likely

[rough thicket]

@potent wasp

What did you search on Google?

[ebon stirrup]

After all, I only started hating Splatoon as a game when I started playing Modern Doom. (Thanks, GST202!)

[cobalt sapphire]

And I shall be the new moderator!

[potent wasp]

Oh, I had a different problem. My in-game resolution was so small that I couldnt click the "I accept" button that you need to click after you first install. I didnt have any black screens

[ebon stirrup]

Seriously, a college course was the catalyst for me becoming a Doom fan and a Splatoon hater.

[left latch]

I got the Guardian skin

now I have: Void, Butcher & Guardian

[wild rose]

What does Marty Straton still does in this franchise? What's his use for the game?

[honest vortex]

Being the Mick Gordon gatekeeper

[wild rose]

I'm genuinely shocked if he was solo game director in 2016

Eternal and TDA it's Hugo and he's amazing, so he's responsible for the amazing game, but I love 2016 and I can't believe he's partly responsible for that amazing game

Dude doesn't even seem to have any passion for the franchise

[fast oar]

Had to refund the dark ages💔

Found out I needed ray tracing or something 💔🕊️

[delicate grotto]

Yeah it’s unfortunate the spec requirements are so high.
Cheapest alternative is getting a console to play it on, lol. Trying to upgrade hardware is gonna cost you more nowadays. Sucks.

[hoary heron]

Cheap ray tracing enabled cards do exist tho. Just depends on if your pc hardware is compatible.

[frail bloom]

I wonder what happens when yu mention mick gordon do they just kick yu out instantly

Like, "*hey where's mick-"

SHUTTTT UUUUUP

[feral vault]

You can play the game with something as weak as a rtx 3050 8gn

The 6gb version not so much

[hard thistle]

AMD built in graphics have had it for a couple gens

[hoary heron]

I know the modding community has found cvar commands that can reduce texture and shadow pool size where even a 4gb card can manage.

I can't test it myself since I don't have a 4gb card, but based on the discussions it seems to work

[hard thistle]

It works for now
We’ll see if the next patch fixes the texture issues because some stuff looks not good

[feral vault]

And actually if you have the Microsoft store version you can play if you run the executable as administrator, so I saw some people with shit like a GTX 1650 playing the game on lowest settings and a bunch of console commands to make the game even uglier playing at 50-70 fps

[hoary heron]

Though I would really like though is being to go into the graphics options and configure level of detail and draw distance. I think having those options might also help.

[charred oasis]

Yo I have a question. For those who have the nvidia app, does doom the dark ages show up for you? Cause for me it shows up but not in the correct way, for some reason it doesn’t allow me to change the settings

[hoary heron]

funnily enough turning reflections off doesn't turn off water reflections, so I had to manually disable that through cvars

[hard thistle]

Yes yes there are still bugs

[sage nimbus]

thought this game was getting easier, but then got to the part where you have to fight an aggadon hunter followed by a komodo champion and revenant leader simultaneously with no checkpoints between them
is there any strategy or something to make that encounter any less absurd

[hard thistle]

Different enemies require different weapons

[sage nimbus]

also which of the last two should i kill first

[sage nimbus]

using super shotgun for the hunter, impaler for the revenant and im not sure what to use for the komodo champion

[hard thistle]

You should kill the one that’s screwing you up the most first. For me it was the revenant, then komodo, then agadon hunter

The speed and long range of the revenant prevented me for focusing on anything but evasion

[hoary heron]

Stay mobile, positional awareness, clean up fodder.

I would pick off the revenant first

[sage nimbus]

there is no fodder in this encounter, its just two brutal enemies at the same time

[hoary heron]

Do you have the last shield rune unlocked?

[sage nimbus]

yeah i do
its earlier in this map

[hard thistle]

If you have the instant charge for the chainshot when you parry…that works

[hoary heron]

Use that, and parry the revenants ranged attacks, once he's stunned shield charge in and nail him with a charged impaler shot. Rinse and repeat until dead. Shouldn't take long to kill. You can use chained shot too if you have that.

Komodo would be second, since the Aggadon when your at distance just spams dumb fire projectiles.

Komodo can be picked off at range.

[sage nimbus]

aggadon is always first

you fight it solo, then the other two

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

[sage nimbus]

trying to kill an aggadon hunter while the komodo is attacking you would be nigh impossible

[hard thistle]

You’re wild!! I could never lol

[sage nimbus]

i mean the other two literally spawn when it dies

[hoary heron]

Sorry I misread it, I thought all 3 spawned at the same time sorry haha don't mind me

[sage nimbus]

well i cleared it
im pretty sure i killed both of them with the same empowered shield slam

total encounter was

• armored pinky rider + armored hell knight
• armored mancubus + armored arachnotron
• aggadon hunter
• leader revenant + komodo champion

[hoary heron]

You know Ahzrak is one K or C short of his name being pronounced Ahzkrak.

I mean just say it out loud ... Ahz-krak.

No wonder he's a butt

[scenic lichen]

ass krak

[delicate stirrup]

Ahz-hole is more like it

[hoary heron]

Thank goodness the Slayer wears a suit, imagine the stench in Hell, forget the sulfer, what about demon bo. Must reek.

[next thistle]

As an average console player, I really struggled with this on Nightmare as well. Took me like an hour LOL

[delicate stirrup]

I bet Pinky is stinky

[hard thistle]

Pinky smells like the fat rolls of a sweaty bulldog

[formal root]

I’d say they smell like pure sulfur

mancubus would smell like sweaty fat rolls

[sudden rover]

hello! very new here and ive been having trouble with the game for a couple days now

[hard thistle]

Hello gamer

[sudden rover]

i play dark ages through gamepass and ive run across a game breaker of a bug at the beginning of level 2, where i cannot open the weapon pod for the shield saw

it just refuses to open

[hard thistle]

You too huh

[formal root]

Yeah, I feel dark ages is still a bit undercooked rn

[ebon plume]

anyone on this problem: Raytracing Incompatible GPU. A GPU with hardware raytracing capabilities and at least 8GB of dedicated VRAM is required to launch the game.

my PC has all needed but still getting that error

[sudden rover]

ive verified and repaired, ive restarted from checkpoint and level, ive closed and restarted the game, ive restarted my whole computer, ive done just about everything

[formal root]

do you have a graphics card?

[sudden rover]

still waiting to hear back from bethesda on my support ticket about three days later

[ebon plume]

Yes Rtx 3060

[sudden rover]

funny, 30 series should run the game

my 3080 ti has no problems

[formal root]

the required graphics card would be an 3080

ah 3060 would unfortunately not do it

[hard thistle]

3060 has 8GB of VRAM, it should be fine

[formal root]

oh, well then i’m not sure

[ebon plume]

It says on game web site minimum is NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 and not 3080

[hard thistle]

You updated your graphics drivers?

[ebon plume]

yes today

[formal root]

hmmm

[hard thistle]

2060 Super* just in case anyone’s lurking
You need the 8GB without using mods

[ebon plume]

i have all specs above

[sudden rover]

wow im surprised, with all my graphics settings cranked to ultra nightmare and dlss at quality, im still getting over 100 fps

[hard thistle]

Wild questions, but you’re plugged into your GPU DP port? Tried restoring nvidia control center settings to default? Tried verifying game file integrity?

[hard thistle]

Wait until path tracing comes out

[sudden rover]

impressive! havent tried in a big fight yet bc I CAN'T PROCEED WITH THE DAMN GAME but we'll see

yeah path tracing will likely murderize my 3080 ti good lol

unless id works that magic again

[ebon plume]

yes all i just instaled game seen it wont run made all update strugled few hours and now im here

[hard thistle]

You restarted your PC after installing the drivers?

[formal root]

id has been known to be wizards since the 90s tbh

look at the jump from doom to quake

[hard thistle]

Jesus that was rough lol, sorry

[ebon plume]

few times

[hard thistle]

Time to whip out DDU

[sudden rover]

even with superhuman tech wizard and immortal, timeless elder god of graphics john carmack not there anymore...

[hard thistle]

When in doubt just use DDU and fresh install the drivers

[sudden rover]

is it true that this game even raytraces the audio

[formal root]

at least i’m happy known elder entity john romero has fun playing games

[hard thistle]

It’s a misnomer, but the idea is similar

[ebon plume]

done clean instal...this is only game i have issue with right now i have cyberpunk runing on my 2nd screen no issues at all

[sudden rover]

has romero played eternal and dark ages?

wonder what he thinks of his baby all grown up nowadays

[hard thistle]

Clean install of the game or of your GPU drivers

[ebon plume]

GPU

[hard thistle]

You used DDU?

[ebon plume]

yes

chatGPU was 1st to suggest that 😛

[hard thistle]

Does your CPU have an iGPU on it

[sudden rover]

hell that might be the issue, the game might be trying to run on igpu lol, though it never did that with mine (r9 7950x, does have an igpu)

[formal root]

I think he’s gonna play dark ages on his twitch this friday

[ebon plume]

Yes Intel UHD Graphics 750.

[hard thistle]

Go into your windows graphic’s settings and make sure TDA is set to use the “high performance” gpu

[sudden rover]

check your nvidia control panel and make sure it runs your 3060 as preferred gpu

[hard thistle]

This was a common laptop problem with eternal

[ebon plume]

done that already

[sudden rover]

i bet i sidestepped the issue by having nvidia control panel's global setting be to use my main gpu

yeah make sure to check the nvidia control panel too

[formal root]

I can’t wait to build a pc to get my grippers on dark ages

[ebon plume]

I have 3 cards listed UHD grafics 750 , Meta Virtual Monitor and Nvidia rtx 3060 but its using Nvidia

[sudden rover]

what little ive played of dark ages shows me a pretty damn gorgeous game

everything looks like a prerendered cutscene but its all realtime

[formal root]

DONT YOU DARE SKULL REACT ME

[hard thistle]

In the nvidia control panel?

[ebon plume]

In system devices

[hard thistle]

The grippers got a chuckle out of me lol

[hard thistle]

Whelp give the nvidia control panel a shot too

Can’t hurt at this point

[formal root]

dark ages be talking to me like how green goblin’s mask talks to norman

[ebon plume]

In nvidia is only 3060 listed i also added global setting for game to point 3060

[sudden rover]

might check dark ages' settings in control panel specifically

[ebon plume]

where is settings.ini file stored for game?

i dont have it as i cant get pass 1st run

[shrewd mountain]

YALL IM DOING A DOOM MARATHON

[hard thistle]

Google that for the specific store you got the game from

[shrewd mountain]

ALL GAMES IN ORDER + some doom 3 on the side

Plus expansions cause I love hurting myself

does anyone know the correct timeline of classic doom?

Even non canon expansions part of doom 1 and 2?

[uneven dragon]

are you doing timeline order? or release order?

Doom 1 -> Sigil (E5) -> Sigil 2 (E6) -> Doom 2 -> No Rest For The Living (Nerve Games stated it takes place just after the invasion of Doom 2) -> Master Levels for Doom II (references events of Doom II, has UAC begin space exploration) -> TNT: Evilution (after Doom II, UAC is doing space exploration) -> Plutonia Experiment (uhh idk it's just after tnt in final doom so like why not) -> Legacy of Rust (just generally seems to be the latest one... idk.. nukes like doom 64.. doomguy is sent into missions alone like in plutonia.. etc)

also they're all canon

[hard thistle]

Wtf

[formal root]

huh

[hard thistle]

Just a lot more than I expected

I’m a very casual doom lore enjoyer

[honest vortex]

How TF does Dark Ages keep getting MORE and MORE fun the more I replay it?

[hard thistle]

You’re getting familiar with the mechanics

[uneven dragon]

yeah my replay was even more fun since i actually knew how to play well

[honest vortex]

I'm learning to do new combos and tech. Learning new strats, messing with the speed sliders etc.

The combat depth and skill ceiling expression feels limitless in this game

I keep doing sick ass shit that I didn't do on playthrough #1

Also I feel like I'm doing shit that I haven't even seen Sylar or MuricanEagle do

This game has the most satisfying combat in FPS history hands down

[hard thistle]

Anthem

How they butchered my boy

[honest vortex]

Also Dark Ages exploration, atmosphere, and sense of place is ridiculously strong just like D2016, and Hell missions feels and looks like 2016. Except the combat and enemy variety is soooo much better.

[uneven dragon]

the hell levels felt more like eternal to me tbh aesthetically but they're definitely as fun as 2016's

[honest vortex]

Also the guns are so fucking sick.

When you get the blue skull buff for the Ravager it's the most orgasmic thing in the world

Same for the yellow buff Skull crusher also being the most orgasmic thing in the world

[honest vortex]

Idk they looked and felt like a hybrid of Kadingir Sanctum, Argent D'Nur, mixed with Nekravol

So like a hybrid of Nekravol and 2016

[uneven dragon]

i got heavy nekravol vibes

[honest vortex]

Also the blood baths and greens remind me of the second arena on Argent D'Nur

[hard thistle]

I wish we’d spent more time in hell tbh.

[honest vortex]

I mean I see it, but it feels a lot darker and grittier and more intense than Nekravol.

Can't explain it

More otherworldly as well

[honest vortex]

Hopefully DLCs

[hard thistle]

Some of the level design in the cosmic realm gave me vertigo lmao

[snow hinge]

Does disabling screen effects also disable the low health warning SFX or did I just completely miss it?

[honest vortex]

More fun than 2016's Hell missions even.

Which is saying something as previously, 2016 had the best looking and most fun Hell missions for me

[hard thistle]

Nope unfortunately

[snow hinge]

Aight so I'm just deaf /lh

[uneven dragon]

the first 2016 hell level is still my fave tbh

[honest vortex]

Well technically I think DOOM 3 has the best looking Hell missions, but their fun level wasn't as high as 2016's

[delicate grotto]

Better than Eternal.
2 1/2 levels lol

[honest vortex]

Might think 64 has better looking Hell missions than 2016 as well.

In the Void from D64 says hi.

But it still wasn't as "fun" as 2016's.

[uneven dragon]

2016 has 4 hell levels, Eternal has 2 hell levels (which is really just one level), TDA had... uhh... 3 levels? right?

[honest vortex]

Hmm.... Picking Hell missions in 2016 is hard.

But I might pick Argent D'Nur because the combat was super fun and hard on that level and Spider Mastermind is awesome

[delicate grotto]

The art direction in this game is incredible. Hell hasn’t looked this badass since Doom 3.
The environments and visuals overall are a massive upgrade from the past 2 games.

[uneven dragon]

D64 has some good looking levels

I think Legacy of Rust has some pretty fun Hell locations ngl!

[honest vortex]

Actually. I might say the 2nd half of Necropolis when you see the blue outdoors Hell is the Best Hell mission in 2016. Especially since you fight the Hell guards

[main trout]

I haven't bought the dark ages but I'm wondering in terms of specs do you think a 9070xt and a 9700x could manage it??

[honest vortex]

I agree, and it's something I didn't expect to happen, since I loved 2016's aesthetics, atmosphere, and sound design way more than Eternal's.

But Dark Ages finally topped the GOAT of these three aspects

[honest vortex]

Tru

[delicate grotto]

The Hell levels in TDA are extremely long. Makes up for only having 3 out of the 22 missions, imo.

[main trout]

hard agree
I love the storytelling and focus on lore

[honest vortex]

Yeah Dark Ages has an even stronger sense of place, environmental storytelling, and atmosphere than even 2016 did.

I didn't expect them to return to these elements

[main trout]

I didn't play 2016 but I did finish eternal

[zinc crater]

Am I the only one who likes the Dark Ages ost? I know micks work is great but I feel like TDA is great cause I love metal as it is. Honestly if micks name was on the ost I don’t think people would dislike it

[main trout]

I like that their way of world-building goes far more than just codex and the occasional map spectacle

[uneven dragon]

no i like it too it's just as good as 2016/Eternal's

[main trout]

you are not the only one
all 3 games had their own charm

mick, andrew, levy and now finishing inc

[zinc crater]

Ok. Yeah I was gonna say I don’t get where all the people are coming from who say it’s flat

[main trout]

people glaze the shit out of mick but totally forgot abt the other 2 that worked on the dlc ost 💔

[honest vortex]

I think the peak songs are on par with Mick Gordon's best work.

It's just not AS consistent as Mick Gordon.

Also the audio mixing is trash by default, unless you edit the sliders.

Infernal Chasm is quite possibly my favorite DOOM song of all time.

[delicate grotto]

I find TDA’s ost the most enjoyable to listen to outside the game.
The game’s mixing did a massive disservice to how good these tracks are. They don’t hit as hard because you can’t hear them nearly as distinctly as in 2016 or Eternal.

[main trout]

I like the dlc tracks the most tho

[molten holly]

fax

[main trout]

my critique is consistency but it still goes hard

[uneven dragon]

audio mixing has been improved a little recently

[thin zinc]

yeah internal chasm and unchained beast are 2 of the best doom tracks of all time in my opinion, better than just about anything in the ancient gods

[zinc crater]

I really dig wither and writhe

[main trout]

world spear and reclaimed earth

[honest vortex]

The mixing sounds nice when put on 70 SFX with 100 music.

But by default it's trash

[uneven dragon]

i just put music at 100% and sfx at 70% and i heard the songs just fine

idk why people who care abt the music that much dont do that...?

[honest vortex]

Unchained Beast is the one from Chapter 14, right?

That song is next levels of badassery

[uneven dragon]

that's already what i did for 2016 and Eternal and TAG (actually for tag it was sfx 40%)

[thin zinc]

it's the song that always plays in the hell levels

[honest vortex]

Sometimes I'm starting to think that you're just a clone of me

[delicate grotto]

Same. I love the atmosphere of this game. Especially the Cosmic Realm.

[uneven dragon]

maybe i am 😀

[honest vortex]

Yup.

[thin zinc]

wait im thinking of infernal chasm. unchained beast plays during the first fight with the boss

[main trout]

don't even get me started on the enemy designs

[uneven dragon]

THE COSMIC REALM FUCKING SLAPPED absolutely baller 3 level run (and it's really more like a baller 4 level run cause it's followed by Level 19)

[honest vortex]

You even rank the games like:
TDA > 2016 > Eternal, just like me. Lmao.

[main trout]

giving the tyrant wings and bigger horns goes so rad

[hard thistle]

I’m glad someone liked the cosmic realm 😭

[honest vortex]

Everyone loves the Cosmic Realm, even haters of the game

[river moon]

I boost the damage on the menu setting, to fight the boss characters so I can end it quickly. I'm still disappointed they forgot to add the cheat codes in Doom TDA, while in doom eternal has one and I'm talking about those old school disk where you collect them in the campaign.

[uneven dragon]

do you mean ancestral beast...?

[hard thistle]

It’s not my favorite

[main trout]

• apparently the TDA cacodemon isn't called the cacodemon??

[zinc crater]

Wither and writhe is slept on

[uneven dragon]

in game it is

[hard thistle]

Isn’t it called cacodemon in the codex

[thin zinc]

im getting all my titles confused 😄 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQQgLg9VXI

[zinc crater]

I never see anyone mention that

[uneven dragon]

i mean it's called the "cosmic cacodemon" but that's still "the cacodemon"

[main trout]

well either way I like the brain

I don't exactly like the eternal designs excluding the tyrant, fireborne baron and dread knights tbh

[uneven dragon]

one of the best parts about this game is the enemy variety, they did a good job with the "alt versions"

[honest vortex]

Yup. They somehow topped the dark intimidating disgusting designs of 2016 and made them even more intimidating, badass, and disgusting.

I just wish they were as gory as 2016"s. But overall they topped the 2016 demon designs finally

[main trout]

they're js rehashes of 2016

[uneven dragon]

it wasn't like TAG 1 + 2 where the alternate enemies added for variety were... mostly bad... (like stone imps and cursed prowlers)

[main trout]

eternal mancubus is cool too tho

[delicate grotto]

100%
Probably my favorite environment of any Doom game atp

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[honest vortex]

I love the vast majority of the enemies in this game. They did a great job

[main trout]

I mean I like the armoured baron but the stone imp is lazy

[delicate grotto]

I hate that mfer

[main trout]

the maykr angel is cool too tho

[honest vortex]

Also I get super hyped everytime I fight a Cyberdemon, because I love doing parry, melee, shoot, shield toss, bash combos

[main trout]

I love tyrants

so glad to see they gave my boy fat wings and girthier horns

[uneven dragon]

The game having 4 Imps and all of them fitting into the gameplay loop is great

[main trout]

revenant looks so RAD

[honest vortex]

Also Cyberdemons looked ridiculously badass.

They look like the classic designs but on steroids

[main trout]

I don't like the 2016 cyberdemon that much

eternal design is more OG and modern but they took it another level with TDA

[honest vortex]

Also I have grown to love all the imp types even if the cloak ones can be an asshole. (They feel like a DOOM II/Plutonia type enemy, so I dig it)

[delicate grotto]

I agree. Saw some scrapped concept art of Cosmic Realm versions of certain demons. Looked sick. Would’ve been awesome to see it realized in game, but I understand why they were cut.

[uneven dragon]

I’m neutral on the armoured baron they’re kind of like… a little meh. Idk. Not the worst

I don’t hate any enemy in Eternal apart from Cursed Prowlers which feel underbaked

[main trout]

armoured baron still easier to fight than the maykr angels

[delicate grotto]

They’re odd. The AI gets confused on what it’s doing half the time lol.

[honest vortex]

2016 actually had my favorite Cyberdemon design and boss fight until Dark Ages happened.

Dark Ages is the new Cyberdemon GOAT

[zinc crater]

Hopefully some of the cosmic realm versions of demons will make it in the dlc

[main trout]

there was also the aggadon dudes

[uneven dragon]

I hope the dlc for TDA also has some baller enemies

[main trout]

basically doom hunters before they got turned into doom hunters

[hard thistle]

Aggadon hunters

[honest vortex]

Agaddon Hunters feel like a much more badass version of Marauders, despite technically being the Doom Hunters

[zinc crater]

Petition for a Cosmic realm marauder

[main trout]

they look like gladiators
do they play like marauders???

[honest vortex]

Cosmic Marauder actually sounds dope

[delicate grotto]

I was thinking this too, if the story allows us to visit the realm again.

[honest vortex]

I think it's because they change the flow a lot, and they can block with their shield.

Their invincible until you force them to attack up close

[main trout]

ah okay

[zinc crater]

I’m sure Hugo knows how much people dig the cosmic realm levels

[cosmic galleon]

What was yalls favorite chapter from TDA??

[delicate grotto]

Someone pointed out that the executions for Aggadons sliced their bottom halves off- and the Hunters in DE have no legs. Not sure if that was an intentional detail, but cool nonetheless, lol.

[zinc crater]

Harbor of souls

[honest vortex]

All the Cosmic Realm ones....as well as Chapter 22.

Siege Part 1 is also basically the Super Gore Nest of the game and is one of the best levels as well

[final dune]

it kinda seems like the atlans and the titans are a bit small sometimes for the scenery

[uneven dragon]

Siege Part 1 or Harbour or Souls

[main trout]

very likely it was intentional to flow with the story

another reason to love this game if you already liked the lore and world-building of DE

[final dune]

like the atlan in forsaken plains

[cosmic galleon]

Zombie slayer was so cool.

[snow hinge]

Siege Pt 1, Kar'thuul Marshes, and Harbor Of Souls were all fantastic

[hard thistle]

The opening level
Loved it

[honest vortex]

Though I really love Siege Part 2 as well. I love the adventure, puzzles, platforming, presentation, atmosphere, and environmental storytelling on that level

[delicate grotto]

There was a lot more care put into the small details of TDA. It’s appreciated. Doom fans see it, and it’s awesome.

[honest vortex]

The opening level is honestly the best opening level of all three games

[delicate grotto]

Late game spoiler —> ||Like the call back to 2016’s opening||

[honest vortex]

Also even though I like 2016 more than Eternal, I actually did think Eternal's first level was much stronger than 2016's first level

[uneven dragon]

Hell on Earth is honestly still my favourite opener and tbh 50% of the reason for that is the soundtrack

[cosmic galleon]

wait what did yall think was the most badass moment of the dark ages?

[hard thistle]

There was no E1M1 in the opening

[snow hinge]

You should really put that behind spoiler tags

[hard thistle]

“I do not believe the slayer wishes to be detained here any longer”

[honest vortex]

I really am a sucker for dark rainy lighthouse oceanic type levels.

I think Splinter Cell Chaos Theory started my obsession with those types of missions, and the first level of Dark Ages reminds me of the first level of Chaos Theory, but Hell-ifies

[cosmic galleon]

ph that mb

[zinc crater]

When Batman shows up

[main trout]

def when he faced cthulhu

[honest vortex]

Definitely agree that Hell on Earth had the strongest music out of all three levels though for sure

[zinc crater]

DOOMGUY says it’s doomin time

[main trout]

if cthulhu is canon in TDA imagine what other horrors they can add

also apparently ahzrak wanted the old one to die to doomguy so he could control it?

[hard thistle]

Thira 🥰 🤤

[inner mauve]

Does anyone else think parry being set to right click feels kinda weird? Using space for parry in the atlan felt way more natural

[snow hinge]

This one's hard for me tbh. There's a lot of really good moments

[main trout]

also wondering if the wraiths from DE came from a similar dimension to the old ones

they should expand on the world spear n the DLC shi too

[hard thistle]

||They’re from the cosmic realm||

[cosmic galleon]

i have a friend that just listens to "the only thing they fear is you" over and over again

[uneven dragon]

Like Hell on Earth (the song) is such a BANGER. Like, the aggressive, fast riff but repetitive melody, really is just. So good. It’s so aggressive and immediately makes me lock tf in

The aggressiveness of it, at least to me, honestly makes the song feel like BOTH “you Vs the demons” AND “the demons Vs you” yk? Like the aggressiveness of it and the heaviness of it makes it feel super oppressive like the demons have the upper hand but the punchiness of that melody honestly makes glory kills play in my mind. You can even see this in game where it goes from being level 1 (where you’re comparatively weaker) to the FINAL LEVEL (where you’re comparatively Op)

yap over :P

[inner mauve]

Based as hell

[uneven dragon]

Oh yeah the first level of TDA looked so good I loved it

[main trout]

hot take but it's the weakest track from mick tbh

[cosmic galleon]

most iconic tho

[uneven dragon]

Honestly it’s basic but I really like TOTTFIY I think it’s one of his strongest

[honest vortex]

Tbh I always felt Hell on Earth was styled like a 2016 song rather than an Eternal type song, and I like that

[main trout]

yeah but icon of sin goes so hard

[uneven dragon]

Also I really like how many melodies from both classic and modern doom it uses

[main trout]

NEKRAVOL

[cosmic galleon]

"let me help you to see slayer"

[honest vortex]

It has the more brutal and angry feel that the 2016 music had

[main trout]

NEKRAVOL HARDEST TRACK IN DE non dlc

I would say bfg10k and cultist base also tie

[honest vortex]

Hard disagree with TOTTFIY being the weakest song from Mick.

Overplayed for sure, but nowhere near his weakest

[hard thistle]

Super Gore Nest >>>>

[zinc crater]

Weakest?

[main trout]

super gore nest is alright

[zinc crater]

How do people even come to that conclusion?

[cosmic galleon]

anyone else hate the witch?

[snow hinge]

I think either Meathook or the Doom Hunter boss theme are my favorites, part of it is I'm just burnt out on TOTTFIY but I also really like MH's riffs. There's a lot of really good electronics in DH

[hard thistle]

Also Doom Hunted >>>

[main trout]

bread and butter track
nothing much to say abt it

[honest vortex]

Though my hottake is Meathook is actually the weakest.

[main trout]

meathook is 2nd weakest tbh but I like it more than TOTTFIY

[honest vortex]

My favorite from Eternal is probably Gladiator

[zinc crater]

My favorite song in eternal is the Harlem shake

[uneven dragon]

It has Dark Halls (Doom 1), Into Sandy’s City (Doom 2), Dr Samuel Hayden (Doom 2016 - which makes sense since this is the level you go to search for him in)

And as for songs that come after it shares drums with Command and Control (DE Mars Core Intro) and the riff from They’re All Going To Laugh At You (from Legacy of Rust)

[main trout]

there's so many tracks holy shit I forgot abt gladiator

[hard thistle]

Actually wild that there’s no TAG soundtrack available
Blood Swamps is SO HARD

[zinc crater]

But the best track in all of doom is definitely BALLS

Hugo approved

[honest vortex]

Gladiator, Reclaimed Earth, and Doom Hunted are probably my three favorite songs from Eternal

[cosmic galleon]

"Run"

[honest vortex]

DOOM Hunted only plays on one arena in the entire game for some reason, but it's like Cultist Base on steroids

[main trout]

immora goes hard as well
falls into a similar category as icon of sin

[uneven dragon]

I’m not sure what my favourite songs from Eternal are but if I had to pick some

Base Game - Hell on Earth, The Only Thing They Fear Is You, Gladiator, Urdak
TAG - Blood Swamps, The Holt, Immora

[formal root]

I tought cultist base was already on steroids

[uneven dragon]

My controversial personal opinion is that I don’t like Reclaimed Earth that much like it’s good but it doesn’t stand out too much to me

[honest vortex]

The Only Thing They Fear is You is probably my REAL favorite from Eternal, but I got burnt out hard from it.

I can't enjoy it the same way I used to

[uneven dragon]

(It’s cause it was one of those scrapped tracks that ID then threw into the game without telling Gordon)

[hard thistle]

Why no release of TAG

[formal root]

I still love the drum part in the end of the song

[honest vortex]

Actually thinking about it. I did like UAC Atlantica music if I remember right

[uneven dragon]

Because ID Software and mistreatment of composers go hand in hand

[main trout]

yeah that's a flaming hot take I love reclaimed earth

[cosmic galleon]

TDA Game Of The Year???

[honest vortex]

I used to replay TF out of Arc Complex JUST to do the kitchen fight

[uneven dragon]

I like Reclaimed Earth but it’s honestly just my least favourite level theme from TAG just cause of how good everything else is

[honest vortex]

Hell yeah. Though I haven't played Expedition 33 yet

[hard thistle]

As soon as frieren wins anime of the year :copium:

[honest vortex]

Fair. Probably my favorite, but I'm not entirely sure. I haven't played the TAG DLCs in awhile

[hard thistle]

Dang, emote failure

[inner wigeon]

Games all hype lmao, haven’t heard anything about the gameplay itself

[cosmic galleon]

Honestly is deserves it, I had lots of fun playing this game over the span of a couple days. Kept me occupied and was honestly super fun and cool

[honest vortex]

Though I am not really a big fan of Reclaimed Earth as a mission itself.

Like it looks pretty and all that, but the encounters and level design didn't really stand out to me

[uneven dragon]

TAG Intro, The Rig, Waves of Demons, Blood Swamps, Trial of Maligog, The Holt, Shady Hayden is such a ridiculously good run of tracks

And honestly UAC Atlantica, Blood Swamps and The Holt is such a solid run of levels
TAG 1 is literally the peak of Eternal gameplay wise for me (story wise it is NOT.)

[honest vortex]

TAG 1 had UAC Atlantica which was probably the best Slayer Gate in the game.

[uneven dragon]

I would’ve swapped it for another level set in Hell that Davoth could have some presence in

[honest vortex]

I miss Slayer Gates tbh. Goddamn it

[uneven dragon]

The Gate of Divuum being on Earth is so ridiculously contrived

[honest vortex]

I know Dark Ages has those secret encounter fights, but it's not quite the same

[honest vortex]

Tbh Taras Nabad and Arc Complex also have fantastic Slayer Gates so it's hard to say honestly

Unrelated but I.... like the mech sections of Dark Ages

[honest vortex]

Big agree

[uneven dragon]

i think the first dragon level is really good tbh

[dense fractal]

I've had a thought

How is Azhrak getting away with his campaign against the sentinels?

He's not the dark lord and adhears to some "high council"

If the high council is another name for the arch demons (rulers of the rings of hell) then why would they be helping him become king and not try helping themselves become more powerful

What does "king" even mean to Azhrak?

[honest vortex]

My favorite dragon mission is Chapter 14 I think

[dense fractal]

And why isn't the current dark lord doing anything to stop Azhrak from becoming a threat to their rule

[delicate grotto]

He’s in an orb lol

He can only influence in that form. Nothing more.

[dense fractal]

Other dark lords existed

The great serpent took over and later was overthrown by the guardian

[plain iron]

Davoth is the dark lord, other demons fill in the space

The running theory is that the council is the archdemons as well

[dense fractal]

The title dark lord just goes to the strongest demon in hell at the time

Davoth is THE dark lord

[plain iron]

Ahzrak is a prince bcs he's attempting to acsend to that rank.

[dense fractal]

But if trying to ascend

Then someone is already in charge

[plain iron]

That's what the council is. They don't have a dark lord of the first age.

[dense fractal]

Pretty sure the hierarchy goes: dark lord, arch demons, lesser demons etc

[plain iron]

Davoth is pre-history. Kinda like the whole BC and AD

[dense fractal]

Yes but what about the aforementioned great serpent or guardian?

[plain iron]

those are the dark lords of the 2nd and 3rd age. The 4th age is the spider mastermind.

Yk what i suck at explaining shit

@hard thistle help

[dense fractal]

My head canon is that spider mastermind physical form was destroyed and left a power vacuum it tried to fill in by corrupting a new vessel and would've reclaimed its throne were it not for the slayer awakening on alternate timeline mars

[hard thistle]

The Great Serpent and Guardian were not Dark Lords.

[dense fractal]

And if that is the case and Azhrak is trying to fill in that vacuum, why is the council helping him instead of going all out civil war for the title

[hard thistle]

The Great Serpent was a rebel demon who was revolting against Hell - the Hell Knights we see in the modern games served it. The Guardian was a demon lord that killed it for revolting, and we fight it later on in Doom 3.

[hard thistle]

The council is vetting for potential Dark Lords. Ahzrak's the best nominee during TDA.

[plain iron]

Wait huh

Oh mb. I ain't the hell lore guy, I'm just the maykrs

[dense fractal]

Wouldn't they try to get the title for themselves for total dominance over hell's armies?

[formal root]

we got hell and maykr lore guys now

we need an argenta one

[delicate grotto]

I’m hoping we get more exploration with Hell’s lore in the DLC or a following game (if there ends up being one), it’s pretty interesting.

[plain iron]

I'm more of the random shit go lore guy ig

[dense fractal]

So my head canon goes:

[plain iron]

Like these questions lmao

[dense fractal]

Davoth is first age lord

Davoth is sealed giving way for the great serpent to take over

[hard thistle]

If they were that selfish they wouldn't be a council.

[dense fractal]

Great serpent is overthrown by guardian

[hard thistle]

The High Council is not vying for control of Hell. They're trying to find a Dark Lord that could lead in Davoth's stead.

[dense fractal]

Guardian is overthrown by mastermind

Mastermind is killed

[formal root]

didn’t eternal show us there were other demon lords?

[dense fractal]

Power vacuum created in which Azhrak attempts to fill in

Azhrak is killed

[plain iron]

Ahzrak was the best choice. The rest kinda suck

[dense fractal]

Mastermind is reborn and killed

No more lord until tag2

[plain iron]

The spider mastermind and spider demon are two different entities

[dense fractal]

Arachnotrons are just bits and pieces of the mastermind

[hard thistle]

The 2016 Spider Mastermind is unrelated to the Spiderdemons of the classic games.

[plain iron]

The spider mastermind in 2016 is just the vessel of the fuckkng. What's the name

[hard thistle]

Aranea Imperatrix

[plain iron]

That's it

[dense fractal]

1993 masterminds body is used to make arachnotrons

[formal root]

“thank you, vega”

[plain iron]

... what

[hard thistle]

No, it exists separate from Arachnotrons.

[plain iron]

I thought it was the 2016 mastermind that created the eternal arachnotrons

[formal root]

no no

the one from 2016 is used to make the arachnotrons

[hard thistle]

The 1993 Spiderdemon was not a unique individual demon. We fight several Spiderdemons across Doom 1 and 2. IIRC, like four of them.

[delicate bane]

Nightmare mode was so easy bro i'm doing on Ultra nightmare right now

[dense fractal]

No those are unrelated

[hard thistle]

This is correct.

The Arachnotrons of Doom Eternal are cloned from the 2016 Spider Mastermind's biomatter.

[plain iron]

Yeah that's right bcs. Like. I was trying to think how the fuck did they clone brain matter

[formal root]

So in 1993, I’m assuming the spider demon was just like a team leader throwing the demons to earth?

[hard thistle]

Yes. The game claims the Spiderdemon "masterminded" the invasion of Mars.

[dense fractal]

Pretty much

[formal root]

right right

and the mastermind is like an actual dark lord

[hard thistle]

The title of Dark Lord was held by Davoth as well 3-4 others who held the position during the First, Second, Third, and Fourth Ages.
The identities of the First (if there was one), Second, and Third Dark Lords are unknown, but the Maledict is theorized to be Dark Lord of the Third Age.
Below the Dark Lord is the Order of the Six. I believe this group is a reformed High Council.

[hard thistle]

The Aranea Imperatrix was heavily, heavily implied to be Dark Lord of the Fourth Age.

[formal root]

riiight right

[dense fractal]

So is the 1993 Mastermind a more powerful in the lore version of the 5 fought between doom and doom 2 or are the others equal to each other?

[hard thistle]

It has no special abilities compared to the others.

[formal root]

it just came up with the plan of invading earth?

[hard thistle]

It's just a Spiderdemon. When we encounter more in the rest of the games they have the same abilities and health.

[dense fractal]

No duh but was it the one that reincarnated or was it a doom 2 mastermind?

[hard thistle]

The Aranea Imperatrix is unrelated to the Spiderdemons of the classic games.

[dense fractal]

Huh

[plain iron]

The physical form of her is from Olivia

[dense fractal]

No Olivia is simply corrupted

[plain iron]

Did we play the same game

[hard thistle]

Olivia's body was twisted into the Spider Mastermind's physical form.

[formal root]

so a host

[plain iron]

Poor girl.

[hard thistle]

Probably, but the Doom Eternal Artbook introducing Erebus as an Archdemon who ruled over the region of Hell we see in Doom 1993 could potentially imply he was the one planning the invasion of Earth.

[hard thistle]

Yes. Hell routinely will resurrect or manifest dead/incorporeal demons using mortals as vessels. They resurrected the Icon of Sin this way, and gave form to the Maledict and Imperatrix this way.

[dense fractal]

I think khan planned the invasion of earth in eternal

[hard thistle]

Metal is talking about Doom II, not Eternal

[dense fractal]

Ok

[plain iron]

I don't think the Khan was even aware of that earth

Not until doomguy plopped out

[formal root]

so thats how they make revenants in doom 2 aswell?

it is said that hell just staples dead demons back up and sends them

I imagine they use human remains as well?

[dense fractal]

So what was aranea doing before Azhrak was campaigning for the throne and how long have they not had a physical form seeing as they're not the og mastermind(s)

[hard thistle]

Doom 2's manual jokingly claims that Revenants are just dead demons that they pick up, dust off, and slap rocket launchers onto. But every other iteration of the Revenant in the series is explicitly said to be a Possessed that either experimented on or "ascended" to that form, so I'm inclined to believe that was what happened in the classic games under modern canon.

[plain iron]

Deadass might not even be created yet

[hard thistle]

Ahzrak's reign and the Imperatrix's reign are eons apart. The Imperatrix likely did not exist when Ahzrak was alive.

It is implied that an Age is defined by the life and death of a Dark Lord. If the Imperatrix was Dark Lord of the Fourth Age that means she was not Dark Lord before the Fourth Age, and the First and Fourth Ages are eons apart.

[honest copper]

FINALLY FINISHED THIS GAME

[plain iron]

Reckon he got mocked for his smaller horns or like. Nah

[formal root]

little head canon I like to have:

Doom 3 is like the early days of the UAC, Like when they still were using flashlight instead of just having suits attached with em

[dense fractal]

Azhrak definitely didn't kill imperatrix, he's too young for that, so what happened to imperatrix, and is Azhrak the prince of the 5th or 6th age?

[formal root]

and the reason we see a technological “coffin” is because it could be a “bubble wrap” for the slayer’s coffin itself

[honest copper]

Thought the game was in the first age

[formal root]

i’m talking about a doom 3 head canon I have, my bad

[hard thistle]

There is no Sixth Age. The Dark Ages happens during the First Age.

[dense fractal]

????

No?

[hard thistle]

Yes.

[formal root]

yeah

[dense fractal]

The first age is when davoth was still in charge

[hard thistle]

No. This is before the First Age. Davoth's reign is pre-history.

The Slayer's Testament places Doomguy's first encounters with Hell as during the First Age, in the first battle. The First Age of Hell begins after Davoth's death.

[dense fractal]

That still doesn't work because other demons have inherited the title dark lord before Azhrak

[plain iron]

Classic doom is in the first age. [Bcs demons are out murdering, means davoth has been orb'd.] Same w the dark ages.

[honest copper]

When the shadows first lengthened

[dense fractal]

Doomguy never interacted with the great serpent or guardian

[hard thistle]

Correct

[plain iron]

No. Only the dark lord, Davoth has.

[hard thistle]

No. Only Davoth has.

[dense fractal]

So how can he be in the first age?