the-dark-ages

[charred oasis]

Yo just curious does the slayer always wear the power gauntlet or does he take it off when it’s not equipped?

[unique anvil]

i just bought the game and it isn't even scratching 60fps with an rx6750xt and ryzen 5700x does anyone have a similar issue

[charred oasis]

I can’t say anything, it runs well for me. Are your drivers up to date? What settings are you running?

[real rampart]

are you playing with FSR on?

[unique anvil]

I was running the recommended settings for my pc but apparently there is forced ray tracing or something

[real rampart]

yes there is

[unique anvil]

not sure how do I check

[charred oasis]

Yes there is

[real rampart]

options > graphics > look for FSR

[unique anvil]

it is on TAA

[charred oasis]

Try turning far on

[unique anvil]

ok

[real rampart]

that is why you are not being able to get 60fps

[charred oasis]

And lower the settings from whatever you have them set to

[real rampart]

the amount of people that have no idea how DLSS/FSR works when they have capable graphics card that can literally give FPS out of nowhere its astonishing

[unique anvil]

im getting just above 60 now but I was able to get like 200 on eternal

[charred oasis]

Anyone got an answer to this

[real rampart]

like at least twice a day I see someone having issues with getting more than 60fps

[charred oasis]

It’s more demanding than eternal

[real rampart]

one its a game from 2021 the other from 2025

[hollow sandal]

Anyone here play on ps5?

[unique anvil]

idk what is happening like if I can't fix this this will be really disappointing

[unique anvil]

why isnt there an option to turn ray tracing off

[real rampart]

bro, its literally a newer game and your graphic card is not as good for it as it was for eternal

[plain iron]

Bcs it's apart of the gameplay itself.

[real rampart]

because its easier to develop with RT instead of baking-in lighting, which would take twice the amount of time to develop the game

[real rampart]

and several techniques were imployed to make use of the technology, the game otherwise wouldnt operate the same without it

[unique anvil]

is my gpu not good?

[charred oasis]

It’s ok it’s just a more demanding game

[unique anvil]

will the preformance improve over time like in future updates

[real rampart]

like, the more game tech advances, and fidelity and quality increases, the more games demand of hardware, its natural. Its like asking to run RDR2 on a gtx 650

[charred oasis]

If you want you can look at digital foundry on YouTube, then look at their optimized settings

[real rampart]

not that yours is anywhere close to this comparison, you can run the game

[plain iron]

Not only is it for accurately, it has use in damage scaling. Hitting metal won't have the same amount of damage as hitting flesh. Just at a higher accuracy

[unique anvil]

rdr2 runs incredibly though in all honestly

[fallen trench]

hey guys i got a question, whenever i tab out in the dark ages my game always freezes and i have to quit and restart to be able to play again, does anyone know how to fix this ?

[real rampart]

you are reading too much into it

[fallen trench]

i searched online and it says its an issue with the 50 series nvidia cards but i have a 4070 super

[charred oasis]

Bro have you seen red dead 2 on low settings? Shiz looks like it was made in 06

[real rampart]

roll back your driver

I had the same issue

[fallen trench]

the game made me update the drivers it wouldnt launch without it

[real rampart]

it will launch without it, you just gotta ignore the warning

[fallen trench]

oh :skul:

how do i rollback ?

[real rampart]

Im currently using 576.28

I can get you the link one sec, will send you a pm with the nvidia link

which windows are you on? 11?

and which graphics card is yours specifically?

[fallen trench]

im on 576.52

[fallen trench]

windows 11 and rtx 4070 super

[real rampart]

k I will get the driver link for you one sec

[fallen trench]

ty :D

[real rampart]

its not 4070 Super laptop right? its desktop yeah?

[fallen trench]

yeah pc

[real rampart]

k

[fallen trench]

my last gaming laptop exploded on me xd

[charred oasis]

Reminds me of my kitchen tbh

[twilit pumice]

@real rampart
Know if Hugo mentioned patching out the rocket launcher cannibalism passive working with grenade launcher?

[remote thunder]

you can edit (game install location)\launcherData\base\configs\launcher.cfg to get rid of the startup warnings entirely https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/504714848194527236/1377101387074375803/image.png?ex=6837bd1b&is=68366b9b&hm=92b830cdddbdfa46c2646d0812870cf2a6d844970918fee4ef23e0d337d5b107&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[real rampart]

i dont think he even knows about it

[wild rose]

Was Hugo game director in 2016 or just creative director?

[remote thunder]

aint no way the cluster grenades also proc cannibalism, surely

[twilit pumice]

I wonder how many actually do aside from you and I.
Feel like I shouldn't be one of the only few who do.

[real rampart]

it does, its prob a bug

[twilit pumice]

Try it

[real rampart]

like, you proc with the rocket launcher, and swap to G launcher

[remote thunder]

right

[real rampart]

and the cannibalism will work for it

[remote thunder]

so 15 healing from direct hit plus 15 multiplied by however many extra grenades it spawns on a direct hit

[real rampart]

yup

its op

and def not intended, so shhhhh

[pallid wing]

On the last level...

[remote thunder]

the only reason to use gl 🥹

[charred oasis]

Yo I got a question, in tda does the slayer always wear the power gauntlet or does he take it off when it’s not equipped

[real rampart]

I dont know

[twilit pumice]

Probably EZ UN

[wild rose]

https://youtube.com/shorts/2JZKpvcSG-o?si=gEiCbb24HQLywVro
Talk about dumb executive decisions

Although I do like the final product, the music they chose just goes so hard with the scene

[tribal patrol]

feels too gamey... its a video game?

[twilit pumice]

Plus the art direction with the neon coloring

[hollow sandal]

Probably so, he's wearing it when you inspect the slayer skin

[willow beacon]

I think it would’ve been great with that music, but I understand why they chose not to. That track doesn’t fit with the feel of the rest of the music at all and feels out of place a bit. I think it would be a fine decision to include it but I understand why they didn’t

[wild rose]

I agree

[arctic pike]

Did Hugo give any update on the timeline for a patch? I still can't play the game past the 2nd level due to crashes

And can't watch the vid because of spoilers lol

[hollow sandal]

I didn't watch the whole stream, but I doubt it

[nova minnow]

Finally beat doom dark ages wow wow wow wow beat it on the hardest difficulty

I think it’s better than eternal

[wild rose]

I'm just reading Mick's letter for the first time. Crazy how iD ignored one of the most important aspects of the game which was the music

[ocean cloak]

I tried to go back and play eternal after dark ages…I hadn’t ever played 2016 or eternal before and yeah it is nowhere near as good as dark ages imho

Kinda salty though bc after the first day I played it broke and I can’t even play campaign now. It has a purchase icon next to it even though I already paid for it and made sure the campaign add on was installed

[hasty stone]

Did Hugo give any more info on the future in the stream?

[full osprey]

I have a question, if I complete the game on Ultra Nightmare do I also get the Pandemonium skin?

[fallen hearth]

Without knowing the definitive answer, I'm gonna say no since they're both different experiences

[delicate stirrup]

I wonder if we'll visit the Titan's Realm where the Doom Slayer kills the Titan that we see in 2016 in a DLC.

[neon perch]

I fucking love Kreed Maykr.

[sour crater]

what;s the beat way to get the burster mastery

[neon perch]

He so round.

[noble mauve]

wow dark ages sucked lol

back to eternal

[wild rose]

Does anyone know the difference between an official OST and the songs sent to make the game?

[vital wave]

does anyone know how to fix chapter 21? it keeps spawning me outside the atlan and nothing ive done has been able to fix it

[neon perch]

I find it funny how this incarnation of the Revenant is the only one to not carry a jetpack but is the only one that's always airborne.

He's just so pissed he floats in the air.

[hollow sandal]

How was it? : D

[sour crater]

how tf do you get the burster mastery done quicker

[tall nymph]

does upgrading the chainshot deal increased damage to the target you hit with the ball also or just splash damage boost?

[noble mauve]

the balance patches are nice, the game was piss easy and braindead on nightmare before it and felt better after. i think the last few levels were good. but goddamn overall huge step back from eternal.

it's a normie masterpiece for sure, console gamers will love it

[neon perch]

I'm looking at the model viewer rn.

Why did they give the Old One a whole bakery.

[hard thistle]

do you have any idea how much cheek is necessary to hold up that mass

[hollow sandal]

"console gamers"

Like they're less than pc gamers gtfo

[tall nymph]

did they make new balance changes today?

[cobalt fog]

Spoilers for the mission where you first fight the Komodo but Is this music on Spotify? I’ve heard people say this is “Ancestral Beast” but I’ve listened to it on a loop for a hour or 2 and it definitely is not, this one is far faster and has a lot more drums https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932354406823903314/1376711471517401128/e94d7d4a-195a-4a03-a73a-a53b2f881633.mov?ex=6837a378&is=683651f8&hm=b0a358b798ec931c6f18ebbcb68ba85c6b8e269fb084cdaf9f33d8b29a76236f&

[real rampart]

weak bait

[hard thistle]

y'all fall for ragebait way too easily

[cobalt fog]

I can see how it sounds like ancestral beast, however not one part of ancestral beast is as heavy and fast paced as this one is

[hollow sandal]

Fuckin rip

[mental gate]

"Console gamers will love it" what does that even mean lol

but yeah that aside i agree, it was much too easy, so the changes are nice. (though it needs a lot more tuning, ive been getting one shot a lot since they started implementing changes)

[tall nymph]

were new balance changes made today or is that referring to the nightmare difficulty increase from like a week ago?>

[noble mauve]

refering to the nightmare difficulty increase

[tall nymph]

gotcha
I look forward to w/e their next changes are, that one was a 10/10 change

though I think fodder demons do slightly too much damage

[noble mauve]

i will admit it was a very good change

[real rampart]

Dude thinks he is special or unique and that everyone else that doesnt share with his opinion on video games are normies.
News for you, saying that kind of stuff to diminish others opinions doesnt make you look smart or skilled, only stupid

[hard thistle]

bro got ragebaited

[noble mauve]

sounds like you arent respecting my opinion.

[real rampart]

uh huh

[noble mauve]

Dark Ages is a very very casual game compared to eternal, this represents a bad step for people that enjoyed the high skill ceiling and expresivity of eternal. Ultrakill carried the torch well while doing something super different.

All i said was people who like stuff like uncharted or halo will like this a lot

[neon perch]

Honestly imps can genuinely piss off with that tesla line attack. It makes no sense gameplay wise.

[real rampart]

I love these regurgitated twitter opinions

[noble mauve]

they killed interesting movement in favor of parry mechanics.

[noble mauve]

says the npc

[hollow sandal]

They didn't kill anything, also you have the shield bash for movement

[neon perch]

I mean they wanted more grounded combat and they succeeded in creating exactly that.

[vital wave]

does anyone know how to fix chapter 21? it keeps spawning me outside the atlan and nothing ive done has been able to fix it

[noble mauve]

i agree with that

[hard thistle]

can you like shut the fuck up and stop being such an elitist dickhead

[tall nymph]

I like it becuase you can jump over it, but the fact that they regularly spawn in behind you mid fight coupled with how much damage those random orbs do is BS

[noble mauve]

relax

[hard thistle]

like goddamn touch some grass

[noble mauve]

the bots are out strong

[neon perch]

Homie's about to pop a vein.

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[noble mauve]

yall are raging jesus

im pretty upset with this release just let me express an opinion without having a meltdown

[mental gate]

yeah i dont think hes being that bad lol. And honestly i agree, the lack of difficulty kind of kills replayability for me.

[tall nymph]

so much rage in here the makyrs are gonna try to control it

[merry pumice]

lack of difficulty?

[hollow sandal]

If I may ask how many hours do you have in the game?

[noble mauve]

i think the thing that annoys me most is lack of mechanics that people are saying can be solved by sliders. but the issue is design and lack of systems interacting together

[mental gate]

i think the casual gamers comment is weird but its whatever. some people just like to consider themselves elite

[hard thistle]

that's fuckin cringe

[hollow sandal]

Somehow yea

[mental gate]

30.9, i beat the game on nightmare, and i have every achievement.

[merry pumice]

maybe i just got too good at eternal and none of it translated but it isn’t that easy. had like 20 deaths my first nightmare playthrough.

[real rampart]

you can express your opinion without degrading people who liked the thing you dont. It makes you sound petty

[noble mauve]

do you disagree its extremely streamlined compared to eternal? i would even say compared to 2016 but i get that can be argued

[noble mauve]

why dont you just relax

[hard thistle]

"I'm gonna treat people like shit and then get mad when I'm called out"

[hollow sandal]

Nice, is pandemonium also an achievement?

[mental gate]

I found it a little easy, especially towards the later parts of the game. just would have liked it to scale up a bit more.

[noble mauve]

shhhhh people are trying to have an adult discussion

[mental gate]

nope. neither is nightmare, i just found that the most fun difficulty

[hollow sandal]

Nice brother

[hard thistle]

the weapon upgrades are definitely unbalanced towards the end, enemies need a buff for sure

[noble mauve]

i thought chapter 22 was actually ok. it did kind of feel like you were against actual medieval formations of armies

[merry pumice]

the cooked rocket launcher upgrade is absolutely busted. when i learned how to use it properly i completely dropped the grenade launcher

[noble mauve]

like playing warhammer 1 vs a whole army. they should lean more into the whole army formation arena thing instead of just random enemy placements. stuff like phalanx, melee lines int he front, siege weapons etc..

[mental gate]

maybe i missed it but where were they degrading?

[wild rose]

Just block this guy already

[hard thistle]

tbf the ravager has that same buff

[merry pumice]

that and the impaler upgrade that charges based on shield toss/bash/parry

[wild rose]

"oh Eternal had high skill ceiling" go touch grass dude

[thin zinc]

unlocked all achievements, and beat it on nightmare. weee

[noble mauve]

first doom game?

[hollow sandal]

@noble mauve
You only used ssg the whole fucking game

[real rampart]

ParallaxWave — 0:01
the balance patches are nice, the game was piss easy and braindead on nightmare before it and felt better after. i think the last few levels were good. but goddamn overall huge step back from eternal.

it's a normie masterpiece for sure, console gamers will love it

[hard thistle]

almost every weapon has a serious buff
It's part of the "stand and fight" approach of the game

[tall nymph]

Eternal did have a higher skill ceiling

[noble mauve]

for which game?

[mental gate]

it did? thats what i enjoyed about the game so much.

[hollow sandal]

TDA

[hard thistle]

eternal is also completely finished, both DLC and everything
TDA just came out

[noble mauve]

i used cycler and impaler most, and then chainshot for armored

[merry pumice]

i’ve tried ravager, but it’s this weird middle effective range between the SSG and impaler/rocket so I never have a reason to use it

[hard thistle]

it's still getting difficulty patches and stuff

[wild rose]

It did. But if you're expecting every Doom game to be it when it has never been the fault is on you

[noble mauve]

didn't touch ssg actually, but ok nice cope i guess

[hollow sandal]

Those are fun weapons

[noble mauve]

why did u say i used ssg whole game? is that a wierd cope?

[hollow sandal]

This fuckin guy lol

[wild rose]

It seems Eternal was YOUR first Doom game. I know very well what Doom is about

[noble mauve]

try playing eternal on nightmare son

[mental gate]

Degrading is a very strong word for that lol. maybe slightly elitist? but its not like hes knocking the people who are casuals, hes just saying the game is a lot more accesible for them, which it is.

[merry pumice]

I mainly use SSG for close range, impaler for mid/long, sub rocket launcher for situational healing/cooked rockets, and chainshot for long range breaking armor. Never had any reason to use the skullcrushers or plasmas

[wild rose]

My dude I never said Eternal isn't it. I'm just telling you that not every Doom game needs to be Doom Eternal 2

[hard thistle]

remember when eternal came out and people were bitchin about the "cartoony" sound effects lol

[real rampart]

he clearly attempted to imply that people that play on consoles are some inferior type of player

[mental gate]

Excuse me? When did i ever say that? please stop assuming what my opinions are based on nothing.

[wild rose]

I still hate those tho

[merry pumice]

le ammo pickups are le colorful

[noble mauve]

i swear the newer balance changes for nightmare nerfed ravanger. it was broken as all fuck and then it was just ok

[hard thistle]

that's fine, but the point is this happens every time a game launches

[wild rose]

I thought you were riding on the other guys' opinion. It seems we miscommunicated

[wild rose]

They did in fact

[real rampart]

like, yeah doom eternal had a higher skill ceilling, yeah eternal rewarded skilled players more. those are objective facts. But "huge step down" is something only people that only touched Eternal as their first Doom game would say when we have Doom 3 in the same franchise.

(not a bad game, but miles off what you would expect from a Doom game)

[hard thistle]

TDA also isn't done yet

[mental gate]

I agree with him, yeah. But in no way does that mean i wanted eternal 2? all i said is that i wish it was more difficult, especially on higher difficulties.
(which, by the way, obviously the developers agree with me on, as they are updating the game to make it so)

[merry pumice]

yes it used to shred Komodos iirc. Tbh I haven’t found much reason to use it over the impaler/rocket launcher at the range It’s effective at

[noble mauve]

i feel like it also use to drop more ammo and health

[merry pumice]

maybe for emergency health vs crowds?? but eh

[noble mauve]

i felt post rebalance it sucked

cycler imo is best full auto weapon

[wild rose]

You said everything I wanted. I have nothing to do here anymore

[merry pumice]

yeah. never had any reason to use the pulverizer because shield toss esp with extended edge just does the exact same thing

[hard thistle]

it's just fuckin cool 🔥

[noble mauve]

cycler just stuns ulta heavies so quick

it trivializes the final boss

[merry pumice]

i have a couple thousand hours in tf2 so i prefer burst weapons that do high damage vs sustained fire

[tall nymph]

I need to practice more weaving cycler into my regular rotation

[merry pumice]

so plasma rifles never interested me. cool mechanic with the shock tho

[hollow sandal]

Same, love that charged fire

[noble mauve]

its got very good range too

[merry pumice]

maybe i should try working it into my mental weapon cycle ive started to make second nature at this point

[tall nymph]

Cycler in the dread knight hallway is amazingly satisfying, definitely try that if you haven't yet

[merry pumice]

i lowkey don’t mind the slower swap speed in TDA because whereas Eternal’s weapon switching was very reactive, TDA’s is more proactive so you kinda want to have an idea of which weapon you’re gonna be using as you enter a fight

but if it’s this slow they should let you block and parry during the swap

[hard thistle]

once the slo-mo toggle comes I'll be a happy camper

[noble mauve]

the thing i miss is weapons comboing with each other creating a feeling of N^2 weapons

[fallow badge]

Why the villain built like a wine glass 😭

Ewwww I don't like him

[hard thistle]

"the villain" mang everything not human is a villain

[merry pumice]

my brain has the motor execution combo for PB + Rocket burned into my hands

[fallow badge]

Whatever the prince's name was again

[vital wave]

does anyone know how to fix chapter 21? it keeps spawning me outside the atlan and nothing ive done has been able to fix it

[merry pumice]

I literally do it randomly when doing unrelated things on my PC

2 M2 M1 E M1

[fallow badge]

Prince Arzhak?

[noble mauve]

you ever throw in microwave beam into rotation for a stun? that was the biggest ah-hah moment that makes me feel god like

[merry pumice]

never touched it until TAG made me always use it for the sprits, slowly learned how to weave it into combos and it helped me beat UN on eternal

[merry pumice]

prince ass crack💔

[fallow badge]

😭 I don't like him he ugly Marauder better

[merry pumice]

why was he aurafarming the whole campaign tho

[noble mauve]

the maurader's miniboss intro is like 1000x more badass than any azhrak line

[fallow badge]

Exactly

[merry pumice]

only to get folded in 3sec🥀

[fallow badge]

He built like a wine glass

[knotty dawn]

i think im gonna call the dragon "princess"

she looks scary but she wont harm you (unless youre a demon)

[merry pumice]

or an eyeball turret with a protective shield

[knotty dawn]

id still count those as demons

[merry pumice]

but yeah i should probably experiment with the cycler and ravager more tbh

but once i learned how to consistently land headshots with the crit impaler oh there was no going back for me

[noble mauve]

the cycler for sure. imo its a tier 1 gun

[merry pumice]

haven’t experimented with the fully upgraded version but from what i see and hear it’s insane damage stacking once you max out the damage increases that bounce between demons

[velvet elbow]

Glad they nerfed ravager against bosses

[noble mauve]

yeah it was way too stupid

[fossil knot]

can i ask is there a software bypass vram on dark ages?

[merry pumice]

the problem tho is like what situation do I use it in, haven’t developed an eye for when it could be useful

[sterile cloak]

I haven't played D:TDA, but I have seen all of the current skins via Youtube, but I have a suggestion for one that might look good

[noble mauve]

ravanger was dumb before

[fossil knot]

i need 8gb vram

[merry pumice]

ravager vs komodo was hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby💔

[fossil knot]

cant run the game 😦

[velvet elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/muneh-rdr2-arthur-morgan-gif-20022681

[hard thistle]

did you already buy it

[noble mauve]

buy ram

[fossil knot]

no bypass?

[velvet elbow]

Bro I got 1 go v ram be GRATEFUL

[merry pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/dreams-are-expensive-joshua-leesman-players-dreams-cost-money-costs-money-to-succeed-gif-25975512

[velvet elbow]

But yeah I just discovered GeForce Now yesterday. I don’t need to care about specs I can just PLAY

[charred oasis]

In lore which is more powerful yall think, the mace or flail?

[real rampart]

there is a mod that allows you to run the game with less than 8gb vram, but you still need a raytracing able card

[velvet elbow]

Mace is infinitely dense, do the math

[hard thistle]

also able to bypass that
it runs on steamdeck lol

[charred oasis]

True but doesn’t it say the flail is un breakable and its the slayers main weapon of choice

[real rampart]

I heard that even though it turns off raytraced lighting, you still need a raytracing gpu or it crashes

[hard thistle]

[velvet elbow]

My brother in Christ if he accidentally drops the mace it will shatter the universe

[hard thistle]

running it on steamdeck rn

[mental gate]

Steam deck has ray tracing though? It's rDNA 2

[plain iron]

Holy shit fr? How does it run 💀

[velvet elbow]

GeForce Now is free even with an AMD card, if you own the game sync your steam library to GeForce Now and just stream it

[plain iron]

FUCK SORRY FOR THE PING

[hard thistle]

it walks

[real rampart]

this

[mental gate]

Not great, but playable in an existential sense

[real rampart]

steamdeck has native raytracing capabilities

[fossil knot]

okay bros thanks

[velvet elbow]

Using GeForce Now is the first time I’ve ever seen 120 fps in a game, it’s so beautiful

[charred oasis]

Yes but…..the flail is still indestructible 😀

[cobalt fog]

Question are any of the finishing move artists in this discord?

[plain iron]

Surprising. Does it get super warm or is the cooling not a issue?

[velvet elbow]

So is the mace.

[plain iron]

I think there's like. 1.

[cobalt fog]

Who?

[hard thistle]

huh would you look at that, the more you know

[charred oasis]

Says who 😀

[velvet elbow]

You can’t break something that’s infinitely dense

[plain iron]

Idk i remember hearing about it

[hard thistle]

15w is 15w fella, gets no warmer than any other game that maxes the APU

[charred oasis]

I bet ur mom can if she sits on it….(lol jk no hate just playin)

[cobalt fog]

I need to know, I have a perfectly good reason to yap at them

[delicate stirrup]

Chaingun soldier should've have armor pads that you have to shoot off instead of a shield.

[velvet elbow]

Damn you right

[cobalt fog]

it’s nothing bad but it’s something that NEEDS TO HAPPEN

[velvet elbow]

I’m so glad they made chaingunners as annoying as they are in the old games

[plain iron]

Mm. Personal heater.

[mental gate]

I don't have a steam deck anymore but when I had it I remember the cooling being excellent in every game

[velvet elbow]

Fuck this let’s get some custom levels of TDA but “oops, all chaingunners!”

[mellow yew]

Ngl I wish we got more unique looking skins ingame

[delicate stirrup]

That way he'd feel a lot closer to the classic Chaingun Bob instead of being a shield soldier with a minigun.

[plain iron]

Interesting. Might look into testing it on my mate's steamdeck. Won't break it ofc that shit is expensive

[hard thistle]

you won't break it lol

[plain iron]

What if I burn it out :< my TV did that and I have no clue how

[mental gate]

I thought about trying it on my ally, just for the sake of science

but i cba to install a 50 gb game just to see it run at 30 fps

[velvet elbow]

I don’t think they should be, I’m glad they are just shield enemies. “Chaingunners in large numbers are a god damn firing squad” they are supposed to be enemies that TRULY are strength in numbers

[dark thunder]

do u think the grim reaper exists in the doom universe how cool would that be

[hollow sandal]

Yea, its just the aesthetic of the game limits the skins I guess

[velvet elbow]

Nothing special, just sheer fucking power in numbers

Think plutonia

[hard thistle]

He's the doomguy

[mellow yew]

They got tons of good looking suits in concept art tbh

[mental gate]

not really how that works. modern hardware with throttle and shutdown before it damages itself. and besides, the steam deck is only 15W, wont exactly be boiling

[dark thunder]

always aura farming

[hard thistle]

it's stupid performant for 15W though

[delicate stirrup]

Yeah I guess. Also, that reminds me, I need to finish my run of PluChaingunia

[plain iron]

Neat. That's good to know

[mellow yew]

Doom Slayer is too OP that he can make the Grim Reaper mortal

[velvet elbow]

I gotta try that. But really, replace the base shield guys with all chaingunners and they no longer become free armor bags

[plain iron]

Partially why I bought a pc off a mate instead of building it myself, I worry I might break something

[hard thistle]

even the literal devil was like "IS THAT THE GRIM REAPER?!??!?!"

[dark thunder]

you know I always knew he was crazy strong, and has a crazy strong will, but I didn't know it was THAT powerful after playing the dark ages

[plain iron]

I KNOW THAT MEME

[mental gate]

yeah, its great. I traded it for an ally a while back, but it served me really well for a long time. Showing its age though, a steam deck 2 is hopefully on the horizon

[astral ravine]

fellas
we know godzilla went to hell
what if doom slayer rode burning godzilla while killing titans?

[velvet elbow]

I’d like to think the Grim Reaper is just off somewhere cus he doesn’t wanna deal with the massive piles of demon bodies the slayer leaves behind

[mental gate]

probably put 200 hours in elden ring on that thing

[plain iron]

I put 2000ish hours on fo4, on my shitty ps4 slim

[velvet elbow]

Slayer vs Basalisk

[hard thistle]

thing has genuinely helped me enjoy gaming again
the good sleep functionality alone has completely changed gaming for me

[dark thunder]

yeah when asked about the wretch hugo said he can't give away too much I thought it was weird i forgot who asked me earlier

[plain iron]

Oh shit. That's almost a confirmation

[velvet elbow]

I really wanna know who the damn wretch is, I’ve been wanting to know since 2016

[plain iron]

Putting my bets on its Samur/j

[velvet elbow]

Nah, he originates in hell

[plain iron]

I miss my wife tails.

[dark thunder]

let me find a time stamp incase I mishead it

[velvet elbow]

Wait mb

[plain iron]

[dark thunder]

1:58:44 on the latest livestream with josh and hugo

"People ask a lot about that. I can't give anything away"

[plain iron]

I miss him, I miss the UAC as well. First mainline game w out them

[velvet elbow]

So when 2016 talks about “in his heresy was loyal to his evil cause”, does he mean heresy to hell or somewhere else

Hell recognizes it is evil, I know that

So do they mean heresy in general or just betraying hell as a whole

[dark thunder]

Would be cool to see if the Wretch was someone who had been around since immora and hated what jekkad had become

[velvet elbow]

Probably the case, but the dark lord would know

[dark thunder]

probably betraying hell, that suit made him mega OP

he enchanted it or something

[hollow sandal]

Is it me or there are successful parries where you can still take damage?

[velvet elbow]

The thing is the dude cannot be a straight demon, the slayer does not give a fuck and kills on site

[hard thistle]

yes, especially swinging attacks

[plain iron]

Ehhh I mean

[velvet elbow]

Sometimes but it happens during a very late parry

[dark thunder]

The wretch is probably a demon

[hard thistle]

maybe the wretch is a wraith 🗣️

[plain iron]

Ik Samur isn't a demon certainly looked like one but he did hesitate with him.

[dark thunder]

if he was a wraith they woulda siphoned his energy rq

[velvet elbow]

Maybe the Wretch was the friends we made along the way

[hard thistle]

the wretch was the demons we killed along the way

[plain iron]

Through the power of friendship

[dark thunder]

the entire doom series is all a fever dream

[velvet elbow]

[velvet elbow]

The slayer is in a coma somewhere and this is all some power fantasy

[plain iron]

[hard thistle]

She-Ra praetor suit when

[dark thunder]

Doom slayer is BJ Blazkowicz III I will stand on this till I die

[velvet elbow]

Excuse me but why the fuck does that khan makyr emote exist

[dark thunder]

og devs have said so

[plain iron]

I'm a Flynn Taggart believer tbh

[plain iron]

Hi darling

[sonic turret]

He's not.

[dark thunder]

way more cool to think he's the descendant of BJ

[hard thistle]

Hi darling

[dark thunder]

besides he looks just like him

[velvet elbow]

My brother in Christ, in all that is holy to the lord above, to he who will save our souls in the end times…

W H Y

[hollow sandal]

Lol!

[plain iron]

[dark thunder]

why do u think he's flynn taggart

[plain iron]

It's a great way to react to a mf 😭

[plain iron]

Idk I prefer it over fucking John.

[hard thistle]

[velvet elbow]

I got graduation practice at 8 in the morning I am not mentally prepared for your bullshit

[gilded tree]

I came here to ask one question and one question only
Is harbor of souls an Ultrakill reference

[velvet elbow]

[dark thunder]

join the Blazko team

[plain iron]

Dw noone is prepared for my bullshit

[plain iron]

Nuh uh. I'm a Taggart truther.

[velvet elbow]

I want compensation for the mental scarring you have given me

[plain iron]

Nuh uh

[velvet elbow]

Yuh huh

[dark thunder]

ok we reach middle ground, John Doom or Doom Guy

[plain iron]

He don't look like a Flynn but ffs anything but john

[velvet elbow]

Doom Smith III

[hard thistle]

holy shit that's John Helldiver

[vital wave]

does anyone know how to fix chapter 21? it keeps spawning me outside the atlan and nothing ive done has been able to fix it

[plain iron]

It's literally one of the most common names

[velvet elbow]

My guy looks like a Bruce to me

[gilded tree]

Like it has blue and red skull keys, the barge of death, and something that I forgot about since i last saw it

[dark thunder]

his hair changed color

[plain iron]

It's a reference to Dante's inferno. The skulls in ultrakill are actually a reference to presumably other id software games idk if quake has skull keys

[hard thistle]

steam?

[velvet elbow]

Can a man not dye his hair without judgement?

[plain iron]

I blame it on the divinity machine tbh

[gilded tree]

Ohhhh wait so they're both references to other things?

[vital wave]

yeah, and no matter what ive tried nothing will fix it

[hard thistle]

you verified integrity of the game files?

[velvet elbow]

Have you considered getting in the mech and not outside it?

[dark thunder]

he dyed his hair with the color of demon blood

[plain iron]

They both are referencing Dante's inferno lmao, it's pretty funny

[velvet elbow]

When blood dries it goes brown, so it’s not impossible

[plain iron]

Yes but his hair is fucking greasy as hell, if it was blood I'd be crunchy

[dark thunder]

ok he found the time to just dye his hair lets say that

[vital wave]

yeah, ive also uninstalled and reinstalled on top of loading from a previous checkpoint/stage

[velvet elbow]

Not necessarily

[plain iron]

Have you ever had blood in your hair 😭

[velvet elbow]

Ye

But I’d say with the oil and blood, could make it slicker

[dark thunder]

he has not showered in eons

[velvet elbow]

Idk how else to describe it

[plain iron]

Oh yeah no he's a filthy fuck

[dark thunder]

they only fear him cause the stink

[neon perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1263254250729771099/1377137307785629706/20250527230802_1.jpg?ex=6837de90&is=68368d10&hm=96d1faefe3bafaa5c9a3a70d9e6c1e951f2513e476fc54abcfda5d3f6fad8835&

[plain iron]

Maykrs got a garden hose and spraying his ass down

[neon perch]

They don't get any praise for bringing back this guy.

[velvet elbow]

I mean who knows maybe the suit showers him while he does shit

[neon perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1263254250729771099/1377137307349417984/20250527230723_1.jpg?ex=6837de90&is=68368d10&hm=480e47e322d762107538ba5d04b175e69533b70bb4893b5edc1e7dc0ac78f278&

[dark thunder]

but he doesn't need to eat or sleep and it immortal so maybe he dont stink

[neon perch]

Look at him. He's so handsome.

[velvet elbow]

I mean assuming he hasn’t eaten there would be no waste, including oil secreted from the body

[dark thunder]

last time he probably ate is when he was in hell after doom 64 he had to eat some demons probably

[velvet elbow]

So how much time between TDA and 64 do we assume is there?

[dark thunder]

not as long as after the civil war until 2016 he was in hell for eons at that

I'd say a couple of years maybe decades, cause he caused enough trouble to make the demons be like oh shit he needs to go

[velvet elbow]

I’m not sure

The man needs water

And I highly doubt that man drank whatever blood pits were around

Unless you can somehow filter water from the blood swamps

[dark thunder]

drank demon blood

[knotty dawn]

he is so handsome

[velvet elbow]

I really am not sure about demon blood

[dark thunder]

ok how about this

hell has arrowhead water

[velvet elbow]

Nah man I actually wanna figure this out

I gotta remember what parts of hell he was in

[dark thunder]

maybe the demon flesh had enough moisture in it

[velvet elbow]

In hell? I doubt it

[dark thunder]

like eating a cucumber

[velvet elbow]

We know these demons have to feed, but do they need to drink?

There aren’t any demons that are recorded to drink, or even drink blood

They just eat

[delicate stirrup]

I wonder if Pinky is stinky

[dark thunder]

I'm gonna go with demon blood

or he just wasn't in hell long enough for the need to eat or drink

[velvet elbow]

Demon blood is the most probable but I am thinking about the adverse effects on the body for drinking blood

Problem is I don’t think there would be any water in the blood

[dark thunder]

considering he's the reincarnation of the dark lord or whatever he's probably immune to that

[delicate stirrup]

Blood has Argent energy traces in it

[dark thunder]

Since there is a lot of heat in hell, he could've made some makeshift thing and collected moisture

[velvet elbow]

Moisture requires water

Doubt there is any water in their blood

[dark thunder]

I was thinking like the martian style but not likely

[velvet elbow]

There actually is no way he could have survived long enough without water sources

Maybe when the night sentinels picked him up he wasn’t weak from fighting he was just thirsty

[dark thunder]

we could say demon blood or there was somehow water there like stored underground idk

[velvet elbow]

No I doubt it

[dark thunder]

There is water in hell like places like the blood swamps

[velvet elbow]

What kind of swamp is it?

[dark thunder]

hell

[velvet elbow]

B r o t h e r

[dark thunder]

[velvet elbow]

I’m gonna force you to play TNT

Hugo you beautiful bastard get down here from your throne of money and answer the god damn question

[terse hollow]

#screenshots

Can look into it more yourself but there is water mentioned to be in hell a few times in the doom games im pretty sure

[dark thunder]

I'm just gonna go with there is water in hell

[velvet elbow]

I’ve been sent to 5 different messages clicking that, can you just repeat what is said here

[terse hollow]

Repeat half of a wiki page? No lmfao im not gonna copy and paste that when it's the last thing in screenshots

[velvet elbow]

Nvm I see it

Which level is it describing?

[terse hollow]

Doesnt say specifically but I'm assuming spawned fear

I have almost no memory of the older doom games because well.. I smoke to much😅 so i just end up relying on the wiki and shit instead of memory

[velvet elbow]

So looking at it, it definitely is green, plants go green due to the effects of photosynthesis, so the have access to some sort of water and sun

That’s all I needed, I just needed proof there was a way to get water that can be processed and drank

[delicate stirrup]

Jessica from Human Resources should appear in a DLC

[hard thistle]

Just 100% it 3 days ago

It's easy ifnyou wanna get your first 100%

[velvet elbow]

It’s accessible to everyone and I greatly appreciate it

[noble mauve]

whats the context of this?

[dark thunder]

wolfenstein 2

[noble mauve]

i mean why post it, was someone doing something>?

[dark thunder]

no i just like wolfenstein

Need wolfenstein 3 WHERE IS IT

[noble mauve]

i miss when arkane made good games

[dark thunder]

wolfenstein 2 came out in 2017..... please.....

[noble mauve]

i meant Prey moreso

[terse hollow]

Prey and bioshock will always be two of the greats

Don't think i can pick a favorite though

[noble mauve]

i like Prey and System shock 2 a lot, bioshock didnt do it for me personally

Prey is prob one of my top5 all time games, i love that thing to death

[terse hollow]

Have you played alien isolation? It doesn't beat prey but it gets closer to the feel then any other game

[noble mauve]

yeah i thought it was ok

kinda overstayed its welcome a little but was great for first few hours

[dark thunder]

Fine i guess ill play bioshock remastered

[noble mauve]

its super long, did u beat it?

Dues Ex 2000 and Prey are two of my all time faves

[terse hollow]

I enjoyed it lmao, I played it with the mic setting on though so the alien could hear background noises and stuff

[terse hollow]

Yeah i almost went for a second playthrough too but I gave up🤣

But i also liked the alien movies for a long time before hearing about the game

[noble mauve]

Prey was so hated on release cause of bugs and i dont think people like Imsims

i wish for another major AAA imsim on that level. thats my favorite type of game for sure.

honestly i felt like the newer zelda was very imsimy

redfall was a disaster RIP arkane, deathloop had all the signs

[subtle gulch]

I have a question. If I start a pandemonium run and change some of the sliders to make it easier can I still get the skins for the completion?

[noble mauve]

yup

[subtle gulch]

Yay, thanks. Then what does the “M” mean in the menu then?

[noble mauve]

no clue

why do you want the skin without earning it tho?

[dark thunder]

oh what skin do u get for pandemonium

[warm escarp]

The "M" just means modified

[dark thunder]

didn't know there was a reward

[noble mauve]

i thought just for ultranightmare i didnt know either, but you can dial down slider for that

[warm escarp]

Theres a white and gold skin for pandemonium, I forget the name

TBH its kinda sick

[plain iron]

.. the divinity skins?

[warm escarp]

Yep that's it!

[dark thunder]

ok is tnt evilution like super hard why is it infamous

[uncut minnow]

Is the Beserker trophy fixed yet?

[plain iron]

That's the skins you get from premium edition I think

[delicate stirrup]

I wish the Harvester from 2016 appeared

[uneven dragon]

what would it do tho

[uneven dragon]

it's harder than Doom II iirc
and the level design is... wack... at points

[oblique raft]

doom dark ages looks fire

[tame shale]

i think it would be great if u beat the game on pandemonium/um and want to replay missions, you could do so

[noble mauve]

its so so so much worse than eternal tbh. still ok tho. 7/10

[oblique raft]

Why u say that @noble mauve

[noble mauve]

its really dumbed down and has way less mechanics interacting with each other than eternal. if its your first modern doom game its a good one to start on

also the story is so infuriatingly lame and marvel like

[oblique raft]

I just platinum doom eternal

[noble mauve]

you play TAGs on nightmare and stuff? and master levels?

[oblique raft]

No I'm not good on nightmare

[noble mauve]

you will like dark ages

[oblique raft]

Why

[noble mauve]

its a much more streamlined experience

[oblique raft]

I'm still trying to platinum doom 2016

[noble mauve]

2016 absolutely rocks

[oblique raft]

I know I got upgraded ruins and mod weapons on doom 2016 then I will have the platinum

[split gate]

It’s very cool, different cool 😎

[oblique raft]

Doom 2016 is better then doom eternal

[split gate]

Highly recommend for even Eternal players who loved Eternal to bits like me, I lean to TDA now

[oblique raft]

I don't like online on doom eternal

[noble mauve]

I disagree but I can see how it can go either way due to preferences. TDA feels like an objectively worse game than either 2016 or eternal. still worth playing

TDA is more eternal than 2016 tho

[split gate]

Yeah it’s up to preferences, I think the opposite from you but your opinion is based

[noble mauve]

also 2016 and eternal had buckets of blood and gnarly shit. im a little cheesed about the more sanatized feeling

its not like there isnt violence

but 2016 chainsaw was peak, blood should be spraying everywhere

[oblique raft]

I probably won't like doom 3

[split gate]

Oh I thought TDA was more bloody for me, Eternal I didn’t get that much

2016’s atmosphere is still top notch tho

[noble mauve]

IMO doom 3 is ass

[split gate]

TDA just inched above Eternal for me in terms of level design, and story, gameplay and music are subjective given their intended directions

[oblique raft]

I heard it's a bad game @noble mauve

[noble mauve]

i would agree with that

its a very 2000's shooter

[split gate]

Doom 3 is just very very different, people say isn’t a Doom game which is understandable

[noble mauve]

ID was weird then, quake 4 was also really slow and mid

[oblique raft]

I never played it

[noble mauve]

they are kind of similar but quake 4 is a little more actiony

[hoary heron]

How many hours have ya'll currently put into Doom TDA?

[noble mauve]

20 on the dot

[bright ridge]

Idk, probably a lot

[echo linden]

Working my way through my first play through and I just beat the Komodo Champion in like 45 seconds with no hits by just running away and spamming the Reaver Chainshot. They’ve gotta patch that somehow lol

[thin zinc]

i beat it on ultra violence and on nightmare... so like 40 maybe

[echo linden]

I will play it again the right way to experience it, but I think it’s kind of funny to have randomly encountered that on accident lol

[bright ridge]

Anyone else wishing the weapon swapping was a bit faster?

Not like Eternal level weapon swapping but like just speed it up a little bit

[noble mauve]

i dont feel like weapons really matter that much except for armor

i didnt use anything but impaler, cycler and chainshot for armor on nightmare and had 0 problems

i wish they made weapon choice matter more

[flat quail]

Sup

[echo linden]

Yeah, the weapon wheel on console isn’t as good as it was on eternal and it makes quick flipping to different guns a pain. It was really easy to tell on eternal but it is less responsive/tactile in TDA

Though the settings can mitigate some of it. But it’s still broken. Anyone else noticed that?

[thin zinc]

i didnt bother me till it was pointed out. yeah i do feel it should be a tad quicker for sure

[proud vine]

Most of my deaths are because i swapped and the animation took too long ngl

[hardy lantern]

that would be nice but i'd much rather have the ability to block while weapon swapping

the fact you cant use your shield while swapping is the number one reason i just dont

[proud vine]

That would be interesting actually

[nocturne turtle]

I wished that i wouldn't have to switch weapons often like in doom eternal and that's what i like about the new game

[bright ridge]

Same here, I’ve had times where I’ve been cornered with a broken shield and I’ve tried to switch to the super shotty to get some clearance and just get obliterated because it takes too long

[thin zinc]

hugo martin said the swap is slow cause it's not eternal and they dont want the quick swap gameplay etc, but it could be sped up a bit. not to doom eternal levels where it's like 3 frames, but more than it is

[scenic latch]

Hey guys, does someone know how exec command works? I made a txt file that contains commands I need, but when I'm trying to use exec command I get error "couldn't exec ..."

[neon perch]

They should've at least made it so your shield stays up mid weapon swap.

I hate the way it lowers while swapping. I thought the whole point was the weapons were one handed.

[frail plaza]

worst part is if you happen to run out of ammo and forced to swap while multiple enemies are dogpiling you I swear no ammo swap takes so much longer too

[hardy lantern]

the no shield is the biggest problem with swapping

[honest vortex]

I got to Argent Facility on my DOOM 2016 replay, and it still isn't holding up anymore.

I'd give DOOM 2016 a 6/10. DOOM Eternal a 5/10, and Dark Ages a 9-9.5/10

[tame zenith]

unrelated whats ur icon from

[honest vortex]

I like how 2016's early maps did exploration.

But Dark Ages does exploration and secret hunting so much better than even 2016's Foundry, while having much better combat

[neon perch]

The only department 2016 has that can stand up to TDA and Eternal is the sci-fi environments which are I guess closer to what we know about Doom, and even then TDA's atmosphere is superior. Everything else is better by major leagues in both sequels.

The gunplay especially has aged so badly in 2016. The weapons are really lacking in impact and most of them are flatout bad without the one mod that makes them OP.

[hardy lantern]

i think eternal and dark ages are both amazing games even if they are very different
i think the biggest issue with dark ages is its price though, it's way too high right now
i got game pass literally just to play dark ages

[real lynx]

Gauss cannon:

[drifting folio]

I think one of my favorite aspects of Dark Ages is the fact that almost every gun is OP when fully upgraded. Like I can do an entire playthrough with just the Combat Shotgun with the incendiary upgrade and the armor drops

[neon perch]

I love that it sounds like a wet fart when you fire.

[neon perch]

Made it myself.

[drifting folio]

Yeah, I always thought the guns sounded a little wimpy compared to what they actually do. Except the Super Shotgun. It's like a written law that it sounds like God slamming the door every time you fire it

[honest vortex]

I thought Eternal's guns sounded very weak.

2016's guns sound very strong, but nowhere near as strong as Dark Ages.

Though overall, Dark Ages is the only modern DOOM game that I like at this point.

Both 2016 and Eternal are mid to me now

[drifting folio]

That is.....a bold statement but everyone has their preferences

Eternal's my favorite of the trilogy but Dark Ages is still so damn good

[honest vortex]

Eternal's by far my least favorite.

But like I can't get into 2016 anymore either.

Dark Ages is my favorite by a very significant amount.

[drifting folio]

I mean they all play pretty different from each other too

[honest vortex]

I think Dark Ages kinda mixes the best aspects of Eternal and 2016, puts that them to 11, and does a fresh new combat style that gives a very cool melee and parry system.

Also Dark Ages has the best Classic DOOM elements. Even more so than 2016's Foundry and Argent Facility.

[drifting folio]

Dark Ages is actually the closest to feeling like classic Doom in the sense that instead of you existing in the world and the demons come to kill you, the demons exist in the world and you come to kill them

[honest vortex]

The way melees, shields, shield runes, canceling shield tosses and catches into melees into parries into guns, combining them into shield runes and what not is so damn cool.

That just merely quick swap spam with a mediocre melee system is kinda boring to me at this point.

[hardy lantern]

as someone who liked eternal i think it has a lot of forced mechanical contrivances

[winter hare]

Bet you guys like doom

[honest vortex]

Also Dark Ages has by far the coolest guns in the series.

From the sound effects, to the impact, to the functionality, to the visual effects, to how they look just basically everything

[drifting folio]

NOOOOOOOO, really? 😯

Lol

[winter hare]

nah youre OBSESSED

[drifting folio]

Just a bit

[thin zinc]

i think dark ages is the coolest looking doom game in motion

[drifting folio]

I absolutely ADORE the shield

[minor coral]

anyone know how to fix dark ages for xbox? hasnt been letting me play in 2 days after not having any problems since release

[honest vortex]

Eternal's just super linear, by far the most linear of the three games.

.... and the levels feel ludicrously long for just being super linear combat arenas with mid exploration all day.

Eternal's maps don't feel explorative or varied enough to justify how long and drawnout they are.

While Dark Ages has longer missions. They feel more justified due to the high level of exploration, secrets, and hidden alt pathways. The level design feels a lot more varied and classic DOOM-like

[winter hare]

I wonder if I should claim my gamepass code just to play this one

[drifting folio]

The shear utility it has makes it easily the best tool in your arsenal. From blocking projectiles, the absolutely ADDICTING parrying, wiping out shield guys for armor, stun locking heavier demons to wail on them, it's just....so damn cool

[hardy lantern]

you should
that's what i did

[drifting folio]

Absolutely. The game is just so fucking metal

[thin zinc]

lots of good stuff on gamepass right now

[hardy lantern]

imo this game is a must try but it is NOT worth the regular asking price

[honest vortex]

Yup. By far as well.

I used to think 2016 was, but Dark Ages surpassed 2016's aesthetics, atmosphere, visual effects, and lighting big time

[thin zinc]

clair obscur is on gamepass if you havent played that.

[winter hare]

True doom games go on heavy sale in just like a year or two but I can't hold on any longer

[thin zinc]

i mean when you're in a battle throwing the shield and deflecting shots back etc, it looks so awesome

the way the shield guys chain react and explode

[winter hare]

I wanna try that even tho jrpgs arent my thing at all

[thin zinc]

this is a frpg! french!

[winter hare]

Ooh didn't know that, also seems like a game you could sink tons of hours in

[barren shale]

Gamepass is like a dollar or something right? Def worth trying the game for that price rather than the full asking price, especially if you're not in the US where we're frankly being gouged

[honest vortex]

I love the versatility and synergy of shooting, melee, parries and a whole lot of other cool shit . It's very unique and cool in an FPS

[winter hare]

How much is dark ages going for in the US? Here its $50 for standard edition for me

[hardy lantern]

bruh in my currency the game is like $100 in terms of purchasing power it's fucking insane

[thin zinc]

it's 70 for standard in us

[honest vortex]

Yeah you finally look and feel like canon Doomguy fighting.

I don't think quick swap combo spam really made it look like canon Doomguy even if it looked crazy

[winter hare]

Gamepass is like $10 I think but I have a code came with an Xbox controller I bought while back

[thin zinc]

the story is one of the best video game stories ever i think.

[winter hare]

Heard that, I was told if you play just the opening it would be impossible to put down till you finish it

[drifting folio]

It's weird because the promotional gameplay made it look like the enemies weren't really doing much but in the actual game, that's FAAAAR from the case

[thin zinc]

hugo martin said tonight they're gonna add more enemies to the encounters. games still isnt hard enough 😄

[fleet spruce]

that was all just early build footage, same with gameplay videos of preview build

[drifting folio]

Simply....make it harder then. Speed the game up. Make the projectiles lethal. Idk

[thin zinc]

i think the parry window is too big on default def. the speed is okay. it matches the speed of the projectiles in doom 1 and 2, which is what they were going for.

[winter hare]

Do you think they tried to appeal to a broader audience with this

[thin zinc]

the imps and mancubus projectiles were very slow moving

[minor coral]

bro i js deleted my progress and its working somewhat, still crashing my xbox though

[drifting folio]

Fair enough. After 2016 and Eternal, I had full faith that this was still gonna be sick...and it is

[hard thistle]

Hello, did u guys ever heard a weird chime once u get closed to something? I’ve reached out Bethesda customer service but they don’t know…

[hardy lantern]

the game is good
i think default nightmare offers a fair challenge even without adjusting sliders
it's honestly just small things that they can improve like the weapon swapping
other than that im waiting for more content

[fleet spruce]

Same, i love how imps just fucking rush at you, often catches me off guard. Currently waiting for the DLC.

[thin zinc]

the bigger imps in this are the imps from doom 1 and 2 right? they look and acts more like them

[fleet spruce]

yes, the imp stalkers

[drifting folio]

Absolutely. There's a lot less stuff to worry about all at once. Generally more simple to get the hang of while still leaving enough room for the hardcore players to find insane tech. They even went as far as to indicate when a demon is faltered with that yellow circle

[thin zinc]

the imps were never those small monkey dudes climbing the walls in the old doom

[honest vortex]

2016 and Eternal reveals did that too. It's marketing tactics

[hardy lantern]

oh ya and the turret and dragon sections are ass ngl
that's an actual critique i have

[fleet spruce]

Acrobatic imps became a thing since doom 3

[honest vortex]

Can agree with that

[thin zinc]

the turret stuff didnt bother me cause it was so little. 2 short scenes, but they both felt pointless really. the dragon combat though i agree is the low point for me. should have had aerial dogfighting with other dragons or something. the weird dodge in order to drop the shields mechanic was meh

the flying and landing is fun

[fleet spruce]

you wreck titans using turret so it's not too bad imo

[thin zinc]

like you chase those hell ships... you just chase them. they should be fighting back. that woulda been good

[fleet spruce]

agree, unfortunately they're just flying gold pinatas

[hardy lantern]

at least with the mech parts it looks cool even if it's a bit repeptitive, and the mech sections arent too long and theres few of them
the dragon sections are so boring

[thin zinc]

i liked the mech parts a lot. again not long enough to mess up the flow and they were fun and brutal. the destruction was amazing

[hardy lantern]

ya i thought the mech parts were cool

[drifting folio]

Also thought that. Gotta make the game look cool and also convey what's going on to the average gamer. Because the average gamer isn't a coked up Eternal player doing their 20th Ultra-Nightmare speedrun

[thin zinc]

i just wish the dragon stuff had actual dogfighting instead of the weird dodge to shoot thing

[drifting folio]

I mean......kiiiiinda? Though I wouldn't call it dog fighting.

[thin zinc]

that's what i mean. they should have had dogfighting with other dragon riders or something

[drifting folio]

There's these ships you can chase and shoot down for gold. Super fun little flight challenge

But they just fly around not really...doing anything so it isn't much of a fight

[hardy lantern]

<< Those who survive long enough killing demons start to think they're invincible. I bet you do too, Slayer. >>

[plain tartan]

Hi I’m new

i’m new

I like doom

who also likes doom like me

[drifting folio]

Nobody

We all absolutely hate Doom with a burning passion/j

Change of subject, how y'all feel about Dark Ages' music?

[plain tartan]

Not as good as Eternal imo but still good

[drifting folio]

Well nothing's topping Eternal's soundtrack

This is just a known fact at this point

[plain iron]

I think classic doom's soundtrack did imo.

[drifting folio]

But I still think Finishing Move has some CRUSHING riffs. Any time Infernal Chasm comes on, I'm immediately ready to brutally and systematically rip and tear every demonic motherfucker in the room. So they got that right at least

[thin zinc]

infernal chasm is one of the best doom tracks ever in my opinion

[drifting folio]

That's fair. Classic Doom's soundtrack is iconic in its own right. My personal favorite track being either The Demon's Dead or Into Sandy's City

And the Andrew Hulshult remixes that came with Doom 1+2?

Heavenly

[plain iron]

Kitchen ace and I sawed the daemons are my favourite. Along with deep into the code.

[drifting folio]

Or.... hellishly....? Idk.

[neon perch]

I want to know what the fuck they were smoking with the tracking projectiles the mullet Imp and Nightmare Imp have.

They lead their shots, they home in on the player, they're fast AND block all player attacks. Yes this is balanced let's give our basic fodder enemy this attack and make it spammable.

[drifting folio]

YEEEES! Also, pro tip: Deep Into the Code is Behind the Crooked Cross by Slayer

[plain iron]

Woah...

[proud mirage]

WTF is this bullshit when you are in a glory kill you can get killed. I hate this change from doom eternal

[frail plaza]

Might be a bug or very unlucky timing cause i dont think it should work lime that?

[proud mirage]

happened to me many mutiple times now

[neon perch]

You mean the normal ones or the ones you perform from above?

[drifting folio]

Wait what...?

[proud mirage]

idk about the ones from above. just regular i guess

[neon perch]

Yeah the regular ones aren't GKs they're just regular unsynced punches. You're not supposed to gain any iframes from them.

That's what the shield and shield bash is for.

[merry sapphire]

exactly. Thank you M0nolouge

[drifting folio]

A lot of songs in the original soundtrack are.....shall we say "heavily inspired" by classic metal tracks. At Doom's Gate = No Remorse by Metallica, Running From Evil = Hangar 18 by Megadeth, etc

It was the style at the time

[proud mirage]

right shield during a glory kill cutscene

[plain iron]

Makes sense. Prince was that kinda dude.

[proud mirage]

-__-

[merry sapphire]

died too many times from that 💔

[neon perch]

?

[drifting folio]

The only thing I really miss from Mick's soundtrack that isn't in Finishing Move's is all the little references to the old stuff.

[merry sapphire]

the shield is on your left Peachy Kawai

[proud mirage]

you have nothing of a shield when you are in mini cutscene

[neon perch]

Yeah... that's why I said the punch animations don't give you iframes. The shield is the only way you can get iframes, that and performing GKs from above.

Like headstomps and such.

[proud mirage]

thats why i said i don't like it... doom eternal complete safe to do these finishers

[merry sapphire]

huh

[neon perch]

Whether you like it or not is irrelevant lol you asked why they don't give you iframes. I explained to you they aren't designed to because they aren't dedicated animations that lock you in place.

[drifting folio]

Eh? It's different but as long as you keep moving, you're good I suppose

[proud mirage]

it can be fine sometimes ofc. not so much when you are surround in crowd spots

[drifting folio]

Though that is kinda wonky

[neon perch]

Try getting rid of the soldiers and basically everything on the arena that isn't the big guy. You want to end up with just the basic unarmed zombies.

[drifting folio]

You can also get health back from fodder demons (zombies and the like) when you're low.

But only when you're low

[neon perch]

You're supposed to take a slower, more tactical approach to the combat this time around where you break through enemy defenses by taking out the smaller guys first, then the bigger dudes.

[merry sapphire]

@proud mirage you can do the normal glorykill animations with the iframes in the dark ages if you want btw

[drifting folio]

Take out the pawns while you go for the bishop

[neon perch]

A bit like classic Doom.

[proud mirage]

Overall, This game is much worse. No dash. The hounds have melee almost akin to ranged attacks. when you thihk you can easily dodge them. it literally one hits kils you. Doom eternal was much better. even with claustrophobic fights. I Get you have a shield now. but meh its not bad but for me it is def down a notch

[drifting folio]

Or if you're like me, you ignore the pawns because one shield throw turns them into a bloody mess on the floor

[neon perch]

Hounds?

Assume you mean the pinkies?

[proud mirage]

yeah idk the name these guys that have a mount

[drifting folio]

Again, everyone has their preferences. I too absolutely love the combat design in Eternal but I came into Dark Ages expecting things to be different

[neon perch]

Yeah nah stay clear of those dudes you don't want to stick close to them at all. They have a nasty bite.

[drifting folio]

Break their armor, and shield throw them to stun lock them

[neon perch]

Stuff the shield up their faces and close in on them, one SSG blast at pointblank will get them ready for an execution.

[drifting folio]

This too

[merry sapphire]

it doesnt one hit kill you but yeah you gotta block dude. dont try to make this game eternal or its gonna be boring cause its not eternal. just go with what the dark ages is trynna do and hopefully u gon have fun

[neon perch]

Yeah nah playing this game like Eternal will get you killed unless you know what you're doing. If a single Baron catches you lacking it's game over.

[merry sapphire]

pinkies are shield toss victims

[drifting folio]

The philosophy is the same

It's just you have different tools

[neon perch]

I love both equally and slightly prefer it over Eternal rn but that's just my love for classic Doom talking and the honeymoon phase not wearing off yet.

[merry sapphire]

the philosophy being that you need to engage in the game's fun zone

[drifting folio]

Precisely

[merry sapphire]

eternal and the dark ages both have a different fun zone

both are fun as hell

[proud mirage]

im used to circle around these hounds like in eternal. but in this game no dash and their range is insane. i just dont like it lol. it catches me offguard. i feel so nerfed in this game. yes can block but zzzzzz

[remote thunder]

you do have a dash with iframes though, it's just more context dependent cause you need a lock on target

[drifting folio]

Instead of dashing around, using flame belch, and quick swapping between the ssg and ballista you're shield bashing around, tossing your shield at superheated shield guys, and going back and forth between guns and melee

[proud mirage]

then you miss the exection window. and their range fks you up 😄

[neon perch]

I think the only one I can't really go back to at this point is 2016. As much as I really like the art direction and environment design in that game, it's A) nothing that can't be reproduced, and B) kinda nil compared to how unbalanced and unsatisfying the gunplay is.

[merry sapphire]

the shield bash IS your dash. also in this game you actually have to weave and legit dodge projectiles instead of simply pressing the dash button

[merry sapphire]

the shield bash is an execution btw, you dont have to melee them

[uneven dragon]

You can solve the balance problem by choosing to not use the SSG

[neon perch]

And stick with the shotgun that has the effective range of a blunderbuss and a plasma rifle that feels like crap?

[proud mirage]

ill try that... i always walk up to them lmao

[uneven dragon]

Plasma rifle stun bomb to stun enemies, use the combat shotgun sticky bomb on smaller enemies, lock on burst is reliable till the end

[merry sapphire]

why walk up when you can shield bash them at mach 5 like a superhuman captian america

[uneven dragon]

One can Chaingun larger enemies if one wants

[proud mirage]

also the melee triple punch is horrid. die alot of times doing the combo... again doom eternal had that down way better. where melee wasnt a risk

[neon perch]

Yeah just as I expected the weapons are purely dependant on mods. I don't care for that.

[merry sapphire]

you should try brawler mode for 2016 its pretty fun and makes the game pretty hard and engaging by forcing you to quickswitch like eternal

[uneven dragon]

Regular rocket launcher shots are also still good till the end

[frail plaza]

Need to time it with shield/weapon stuns so you dont get hit, the combo into kick doesnt get canceled either if you stop punching as long as you dont miss a punch

[neon perch]

It struggles to take out soldiers with splash damage. It's pitiful without RD mastery, because it doubles damage.

[frail plaza]

So you could double punch fodder then stun kick the big boys

[merry sapphire]

to be fair melee was still a huge risk in eternal. certain enemies melee attacks can take 90% of your health in one swing if you get in close range without faltering them

[uneven dragon]

I think you’re exaggerating (beat 2016 on Nightmare again recently)

[drifting folio]

A bit off topic but After The Dark Ages, I'm REALLY curious as to how Hugo and them would handle a Quake reboot...

[frail plaza]

Kinda have to treat eternal like its dmc in a way, find ways to keep the enemies stunned s you can safely punch and not get hurt/stunned youraelf during animation

Daek ages i mean

[drifting folio]

Specifically a Quake 1 reboot

[merry sapphire]

daek ages 🔥

[drifting folio]

Actually....

[neon perch]

Well I played it again not an hour ago and shit crashed, I know I'm right. Even unmastered sticky bomb will fail to kill surrounding targets. Explosives in 2016 are just really underpowered without the full upgrade tree which is a bit horseshit.

[drifting folio]

I just thought about this. Doom Eternal is like playing DMC 5 as Dante. Whereas Dark Ages is playing it as Nero

[uneven dragon]

perhaps you’re bad

[frail plaza]

Yep the melee in dark ages is like neros devil bringer, try to use it while another enemy attacks you get stunned out of it

[neon perch]

Actually let me go ahead and uninstall it because it's taking up space in my SSD I'll need for Helldivers.

[merry sapphire]

yup. i loved shooting a remote det rocket near the cyber mancubi and falter them to get in close range to blood punch them to break their armor, just to deliver an SSG blast to put them in a glory kill state

[proud mirage]

ist was just one strike and you regained health. yeah needed to be somewhat tactical with it but i never had any issueing much dying to it other then the odd time

[uneven dragon]

The super shotgun is unbalanced in every doom game (even Eternal) and solves 90% of their encounters

[drifting folio]

One's more complex and intricate with a LOT of tech involved that makes it a blast to play in it's own right. The other is more simplified and streamlined but still fun

[long sparrow]

Wouldn't be the super shotgun otherwise

[neon perch]

If only I was talking about the SSG in particular which I wasn't.

[drifting folio]

That's why it's called Super and not Double Barrel

[merry sapphire]

eternal on nightmare HEAVILY punishes you when getting in close range without faltering demons. blood punch is Risky

[uneven dragon]

Cannon/Ballista is unbalanced in both too

[neon perch]

Yeah nah people bitch about Eternal's dogshit melee and not understanding how useless it would be in just about every situation even if it was good + how useless it was in 2016 for anything above your basic zombie type anyways.

[frail plaza]

Need to treat dark ages like a completely different game, cant play it like eternal or you'll die alot

[neon perch]

You try tapping a manc, see how that works out for you.

[vital rapids]

It's just different, something to adapt to. The old style of glory kill would be tedious in this game, and it focuses on other things than dash for evasion

[drifting folio]

Which I personally love about the modern trilogy

[merry sapphire]

blood punch is amazing what do you mean

[neon perch]

I'm talking about basic melee.

[frail plaza]

Yeah its like the music too, treat it like when an artist decides to try different genres while in the same band

[drifting folio]

Every game feels radically different from the last. Ensuring each game stays relevant because no game overshadows the other

[merry sapphire]

o yeah fair but it shouldnt be called useless since its not supposed to be used in the first place. only reason its there is to indicate that you dont have a blood punch charge, punishing you for not keeping track of your charges

[neon perch]

You're really looking for an angle here huh. It's fine the game's off my PC.

[long sparrow]

ID cooking top tier dishes with different flavours

[uneven dragon]

says “the balancing is bad”
doesn’t elaborate

[frail plaza]

Games like doom should have unbalanced op weapons tbh

[uneven dragon]

If you’re saying you weren’t talking abt SSG or Gauss Cannon then it’s starting to sound like the gun balance is good

[drifting folio]

Each game is like an ice cream flavor. Different tastes, different vibes but overall the same thing

[merry sapphire]

the super shotgun isnt unbalanced. its your main damage dealing tool for very close range. (in eternal i mean). you still have to use other tools at your disposal

[neon perch]

You say as the first game had a well-rounded arsenal of weapons that weren't completely trivializing the (already easy) experience.

[drifting folio]

The Super Shotgun? You mean my right hand?

[uneven dragon]

In Eternal it also has a meathook that lets you get close range to anyone and heal while you do it

[vital rapids]

This is the thing. In classic Doom if you want to be a shottie king and mix in some rockets you can do that all day

[neon perch]

Even the SSG in Doom 2 fits in the combat dance with little effort.

[uneven dragon]

I mean eh not really it’s also the only weapon you’re gonna use 90% of the time

[vital rapids]

It wasn't actually that easy at a time when most people had NEVER played an FPS to be honest

[neon perch]

Half the weapon mods are objectively suboptimal compared to the other in 2016 simply because they deal less DPS and nearly every weapon is flatout dogshit without mods, are you high or something?

[merry sapphire]

Yeah. it also burns your shotgun ammo very quick. the game balances that by making you use other weapons for weakpoint breaking and long range slaying.

[uneven dragon]

Same with Eternal

[drifting folio]

The only really disappointing gun for me in The Dark Ages was the Skullcrusher. At least at first

[merry sapphire]

love that you edited half the message but kept the are you high part LMAO

[uneven dragon]

Press C and your ammo is back

[vital rapids]

Optimisation exists in parallel to player expression and enjoyment in this game

[neon perch]

Tell me with a straight face the RL in 2016 is better than the one in Eternal without mods. Go on say the thing.

[drifting folio]

Specifically, the spread one. It feels kinda weak to me

HEEEEELL YEAH!

[uneven dragon]

lmao I replied before you added “without mods” to your original message

[frail plaza]

Who needs the optimal and meta way to play when you can just run around like a dipshit having fun

[merry sapphire]

yeah Brochacho but what you Gon do if you ran out of chainsaw pips 🤯

[vital rapids]

Maybe I'm missing the point of what you're saying, actually sips coffee

[uneven dragon]

Your original message was about how some weapon mods are inferior

[neon perch]

I never specified weapon mods.

[merry sapphire]

yeah i remember how you predicted that 3 months ago

[uneven dragon]

Wait like 10 seconds for my chainsaw to auto refill

[neon perch]

I said the gunplay was unsatisfying and the game was unbalanced.

[uneven dragon]

Half the weapon mods are objectively suboptimal compared to the other in 2016

[proud mirage]

Thing is some things are just unavoidable. When you are the one that needs to fire and disable enemy. In doom eternal you could atleast dash while firing to evade shots. you CANT use shield and fire at the same time. and end up taking dmg. im sorry it just sucks

[drifting folio]

EXACTLY!

While yes, it's fun to melt everything, sometimes it's just fun to fuck em up all freestyle like

[merry sapphire]

yeah 10 seconds to run around without ammo while the demons chase you brodafachacho. at this point im gonna say the plasmagun is unbalanced cause it solves 90% of your encounters. (actually 100% since the spirit only dies to the microwave beam) nerf plasma gun 🙏

[drifting folio]

Actually one of the reasons I liked Horde Mode in Eternal. Forced you to improvise a lot more with the weapon slot machine

[vital rapids]

Thing is, there's nothing you need dash for in this game. Nothing at all. So it's pointless to mourn the "loss" of a feature from a totally different game that isn't needed

[neon perch]

Because you started talking about weapon balance, if I didn't address the mods specifically there'd be no point. The base weapons in Eternal are functionally superior to the ones in 2016 without mods, even the combat shotty has less spread.

[uneven dragon]

Get closer to the enemy

[neon perch]

The RL in 2016 (which I mentioned specifically because it was ass in that game) is worse than the one in Eternal.

[merry sapphire]

yeah cause you gotta think more on what you need to do. weave around projectiles and find an oppportunity to deal heavy damage that will likely end some enemies in one or two shots

[proud mirage]

Okay. end up eating bullets from the minigun from the walking brain as you gun him into submission...

[drifting folio]

Shield

[frail plaza]

Theres ways around it all just gotta figure out what it is, like a puzzle

[merry sapphire]

to be fair homing projectiles are crazy in this game. but it doesnt matter since we literally have a dash that gives you insane iframes which is the shield bash

[uneven dragon]

Also there’s a parry lol

[vital rapids]

No, because I use the movement that's actually in the game. I never liked or wanted dash.

[frail plaza]

Shield, run up then SSG it one shots the arachnotrons at close ish range

[merry sapphire]

some of those fuck ass imp projectiles cant be parryable and they deadass follow you around as a giant wall i hate them so much brah. they also deal crazy damage to your shield which is gonna break in 2 hits on nightmare

[drifting folio]

You have that sweet ass chainsaw shield for a reason

[long sparrow]

You can stun block it with a shield throw, but it does leave you open to damage

[neon perch]

I want to know what they were thinking when they made mullet imp projectiles homing AND block all player shots.

[vital rapids]

If someone was suggesting it was impossible to play Eternal without shield charge, what would you think?

[proud mirage]

I mean sure if you can, good. But sometimes they are placed at distances you cant easily reach like that. also you have an entire arsenal. you should be able to do it with any number of other guns safely.

[merry sapphire]

tossing the shield and getting it back is gonna 100% falter the enemy while you can stay safe. i do it alot to pinkies and mancubi when there is alot of action

[uneven dragon]

how I stare at my screen after the armoured manc shot blocks my shield throw for the 500th time

[proud mirage]

again wishing you had dash 😛

[merry sapphire]

i hate that so much bruh why does their projectiles function as shield 😭

[long sparrow]

No need when you can use shield bash or shield stun to get close

[uneven dragon]

Rmb + lmb

[tight lava]

would anyone know why im not able to see the mastery levels even tho ive bought the premium edition to play the game early?

[merry sapphire]

you have a shield bash, Peachy Kawai

[frail plaza]

I mean if you got the whole arsenal, rocket lancher kills them well enougj

[vital rapids]

It's just a different set of tools for solving problems. It's cool if you can let go of not being able to play Eternal in your TDA

[merry sapphire]

the rocket launcher should get nerfed in this game. it shouldnt have infinite range

[neon perch]

Never speak again.

Mods burn his crops.

[frail plaza]

Nah leave the infinite range, make the canibal basekit and have it so its on at all times i think thats fair

[merry sapphire]

you gon look at me Dead in the Eyes and Think that the impaler nails and Shredder nails should dissappear into thin air While a slowass fuckass Rocket can just travel the entire continent

[drifting folio]

Use the shield to block gunfire, then get up close and blast em. Parry the green attacks, maybe throw in a melee or two. Or, if you're more offensive in your playstyle, throw the shield to stun lock them and then blast em

[neon perch]

Tbh you CAN play TDA like Eternal but. Get this.

You have to know what you're doing and who to take out first.

[merry sapphire]

yeah and the Rocket launcher should tuck you in bed and Kiss you on your forehead too and tell you good night too ✌️

[neon perch]

There's hitscan for a reason, you can't outmaneuver boolet. Your only way to deal is blocking + bashing.

[drifting folio]

The ideas are the same but the methods aren't

[frail plaza]

Yeah, especially on atleast 120% you cpuld run around like a demon and technically the shield bash as the dash to get in or out or fights

[merry sapphire]

its RAYscan now 🔥 @storm forge thats what you talkin about right

[frail plaza]

NOW you're making sense

[merry sapphire]

my bad wrong ping @plain iron

[vital rapids]

I agree to an extent, but specific stuff like dash not being there - just got to adapt to the new toolset. Shield charge+ strafe, close, parry etc. It's going to be so much more fun than constantly thinking "I wish I had x"

[merry sapphire]

exactly. i remember you predicted this argument 3 months ago

[neon perch]

Actually I don't think I've died to a single bullet in this game. I've died to mines and shit I couldn't see but when something is shooting you, you KNOW it.

[vital rapids]

That one was much further back, when Doom 3 was just out. Never wrong yet tbh

[drifting folio]

But of course, you can't do the latter for everyone. Like the Cyberdemon. Which would make the game a little boring if I could just shield toss everything

[merry sapphire]

i think the hit indicator in this game is ass its somehow inaccurate

[merry sapphire]

you are never wrong, the Dork Lord.

[neon perch]

Why would you need a hit indicator when you're being peppered with bullets?

[merry sapphire]

for that random fuck ass soldier projectile hitting you from the back (Pause)

[frail plaza]

Yeah instead you just get in his face and spam parry til the poor guy disintergrates

[vital rapids]

And knowing about projectiles is core to this game 👍🏻

[neon perch]

My only complaint with this game would be the fuckass homing projectiles imps have and the tesla rack projectiles that home in AND block your shots. Also projectiles that block shots in general. Take that shit out the game.

[vital rapids]

Can I print this out please? This is valuable misinformation

[drifting folio]

I find the new Cyberdemon SUPER fun to fight/humiliate

[merry sapphire]

as long as i get 30% of the profits

[frail plaza]

Same thougjt theyd be a bit scary for my pandemonium run with their hitscan til i found out they dknt even use it up close

[vital rapids]

I can do you 0%. Lower and it just gets messy

[merry sapphire]

no i like that it blocks shots it makes me have to shield bash

[merry sapphire]

5% last offer

[drifting folio]

Yeah. They're super annoying from a distance but get up close and they got that fun little back and forth which is just CLASSIC Doom dickery through and through

[neon perch]

And then you get hit by another one off view.

[merry sapphire]

you gotta beat pandemonium on nightmare its Fun as Hell

[hardy lantern]

personally i fucking hate cacodemons but it is funny that they had a huge glowup from dying to one cluster in eternal to being an annoying piece of shit in dark ages

[drifting folio]

Fuck with the player to get them to change up their tactics a little bit. Keep them on their toes.

[merry sapphire]

yeah cause of that #ASS damage indicator wheel

[vital rapids]

I can see why you say it, but would the game really be as fun and chaotic without the slight bullethell vibes? I think it would lose something if you weren't always in danger of getting clipped

[merry sapphire]

cacodemons and revenents are annoying again. welcome back, doom 2

[vital rapids]

It makes you move and stay situationally aware

[neon perch]

I mean that's why enemies lead their projectiles + you can speed them up yourself if you want. Having your basic fodder type projectiles curve toward you and block every shot if they're in front of everything else is unnecessary.

[frail plaza]

Id try it if it werent for the game constantly killing me with bugs completely ruining my runs, maybe at some point but hell no to now

[merry sapphire]

im dissappointed we didnt get the pain elementals and archviles in this game HighKey

[merry sapphire]

#Fair

[remote thunder]

yeah but wtf is the point of lateral movement (a bullet hell fundamental) if everything tracks you anyway

[neon perch]

Sometimes it's fine to just make them slower but higher damaging, that kinda gimmicky shit is just annoying. It's like they tried their hardest to offset the slow movement by making the margin of error artificially smaller by making them homing. 'O-okay but e-even if you sidestep they'll still follow you so yeah... b-be careful ok?'

[merry sapphire]

you can change that in the sliders

[neon perch]

No you cannot. They'll always track you.

[frail plaza]

Its only the mancu balls that dont follow minus the final bosses

[merry sapphire]

im Talkin bout the speed and damage

[vital rapids]

Hmm, I'd be interested to see if the game loses something without this

[merry sapphire]

Lost my Heart My Fault

[neon perch]

It makes sense for everything BUT the imps. They're just basic fodder, that's not stuff your entry level fodder enemy should have.

[remote thunder]

it's a bit much for homing projectiles to ALSO block your shots

[vital rapids]

I see it as a big part of duress for this game specifically, that if you aren't quick to kill, or mobile, you get clipped

[neon perch]

Again, it wouldn't be as annoying if they didn't block all attacks. But they do, on top of being homing, on top of being spammable, on top of being faster than anything else.

It's not a big deal nor does it make the game harder for me, I want to stress that. It's just out of place.

[frail plaza]

Its valid so many times im about to the a kill shot then they go "plasma wall lmao"

[vital rapids]

I can respect what you're saying, sure. But I think without the ambient BS we'd need something better in its place.

[neon perch]

Yeah I get that, but it's like, why are they so overtuned. Either pick homing, blocking, fast, spammable, or high damaging. They did all five. For a fodder type enemy.

[remote thunder]

the counterplay is obvious, just shield toss until there's no fodder in sight, but i'm not sure that's fun

i like that fodder management is important but homing projectiles having ALL of those other properties means it's always better to just nuke everything than to rely on strafing (a bullet hell fundamental)

[vital rapids]

Perhaps more projectiles that were less BS would do it while maintaining pressure to move, look, as they need to err more on the side of bullethell otherwise it could potentially become a cover shooter where you have portable cover at all times. Perhaps that introduces its own problems, though, as it will shift the solution from requiring quick kills/movement to increasing evasion/parry workload. I'd like to see an option for this, though, so we can check it out for ourselves.

[remote thunder]

you can also shieldbash iframe through projectiles but that's a brute force solution and less fun than strafing things yourself

for posterity's sake: blocking isn't a "real" solution on nightmare, the shield will break in like 2 hits and you need that shit for parrying

[vital rapids]

Basically, I see the BS projectiles as increasing pressure to kill and move in a "targeted" way, and other projectiles as increasing pressure to solve problems with shield/evasion etc as well

[neon perch]

Yeah both your shield and armor are made of tissue paper on NM lol.

Any time spent not dealing with crucial elements in an arena because an imp wants to sit there and spam their blocking shit and keeping you from shooting other enemies is a bit cheap. If they wanted imps to be a nuisance again they could've idk, spammed the fuck out of them like idTech 8 apparently allows them to do now?

But as it stands the one time they show up in a secret encounter that throws hundreds of them at you is virtually unplayable because of those projectiles.

[vital rapids]

That is "You will be hit" basically enforces that if you attempt to tank or camp, you get found out

[neon perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k1zFr1CfS0

This encounter could've been a blast but instead it plays so awkward because of the way they balanced these guys.

[vital rapids]

If nothing will get past your defence, it becomes a race to supreme defensive play

Which might not be that fun
The always hit projectiles pull your play style right out into the encounter, you must move off your "spot"

[subtle gulch]

Is anyone else having trouble with the burster mastery challenge for the rail spike shredder? It’s not richocheing off my shield saw.

[gritty matrix]

So few days ago we were wondering about doom tda goty. Just to see what the competitions was, I played expedition 33 and oh god if it sucked. What doom tda moves at 60 FPS it's not so smooth for expedition 33. Plus it's full of QTEs, it's basically QTE the game, with incredibly s
all reaction windows. When I looked it up to see if it was my misunderstanding of the mechanics or it was like that, I found some comments on the tone of "you need to get gud" implying that pressing a button at the right time is peak gameplay. I'm completely at loss, what have been videogames become?

[frail plaza]

Maybe try the other addon to see if that works better

[gritty matrix]

In comparison doom TDA is 100% goty

[neon perch]

Honestly the more I think about it the less sense it makes for the lanky mullet imps to be in the game at all. They don't fit with the 'slow bullet hell' approach they're going for and they feel shoehorned in.

[frail plaza]

Yeah i forget they exist til they randomly sonic spindash me

[brazen heron]

@neon perch Its not Idtech 8.That is BS.The real reason is that because even in order to play TDA even on medium settings you need a very good graphics card.So this allows them to place more without causing lag for the players.

[vital rapids]

I don't think it's meant to be all that slow. They are actively making you play offensively with a number of the mooks

[brazen heron]

Of course with an RX580 or GTX 900 even without forced RT your card woulnd't run TDA super well.

[neon perch]

It has to do with them offloading lighting and the brunt of graphics processing to the RT pipeline directly, and that coupled with the more simplistic enemy AI allows them to put more on screen because it's generally less taxing on the CPU.

[burnt moss]

dude i suck ass at this game im so much better at eternal idk why

[neon perch]

They did say something along the lines of 'without RT this game would've taken another 5 years to make' sometime ago.

[plain iron]

Isn't the medium graphics card requirement like. A 3060 💀

[neon perch]

Game ran fine on my 3060, only crashed once in my 82 hours in-game.

[vital rapids]

Yup

[plain iron]

I've heard good things about that card tbh

Very happy my first puter has one

[brazen heron]

Yeah,monsters in TDA are way dumber and their attack arsenals are much more limited

[flint ocean]

They’re made of paper on UV too

[neon perch]

I've been thinking about upgrading to a 3080ti but that'll be years away from now.

[vital rapids]

It's not NASA computer level, but it gets the job done

Actually a bit slower than the 2060 super, because Nvidia

[brazen heron]

First World Guy struggles to understand the Second World moment

[plain iron]

Also folk. What's the general range for a budget pc bcs like. I deadass don't have a good way to see that. I think that you should get the best possible puter you can, by saving up a lot, rather than getting a budget puter, but like. What's the general range

[vital rapids]

But will tank this game on medium, which is awesome