the-dark-ages

[loud gulch]

accelerators kinda buns, but i mean like if you have fun with it then im not complaining

[silver field]

Oh, will it include more lore? Just like eternal

[loud gulch]

thye dont sell physical copies 😭

[daring vale]

I pretty much used it when I first unlocked it, and then when I had the mastery challenge for it

[loud gulch]

its called a dlc for a reason

[silver field]

they do

[daring vale]

And that was it

Cycler is just better in every way imo

[loud gulch]

no like you dont put in the cd physically, you download it by using a key (meaning its digital)

[loud gulch]

cycler is literally the goat. Competes with the ssg imo

[frail plaza]

it carried me in pandemonium until I got the launchers since it had pretty good dps from afar

[silver field]

oh dang, I should've went for the digital then

[loud gulch]

YES BRO 😭

[daring vale]

Nah SSG kinda weak tbh

[loud gulch]

damnn

[loud gulch]

gg

[daring vale]

Chainshot is so much better

[loud gulch]

ssg fanboys r coming for you

[frail plaza]

if I was too scared to use the shotgun/ssg I just use the accelerator and it kills mancubus pretty fast

[loud gulch]

fastest and easiest way to kill one is to stun them with the shield toss and ssg them up close

[daring vale]

The chainshot is just a combo of the SSG, rocket launcher, and the flail if you use it properly

[rain glen]

yeah!!!

[frail plaza]

funilly enough I think the chainshot feels a bit week, it being slow it just feels like it takes me longer to kill than other weapons just doesnt feel good to me, ssg i get to do the shield combo

[daring vale]

Do you have it upgraded?

[loud gulch]

did you fully upgrade it?

[rain glen]

probably im hoping theres a dlc for this game.

[loud gulch]

if you didnt then youre missing the true potential of an s+ tier gun

[daring vale]

If you upgrade it, it charges instantly if you parry

[terse hollow]

You need to actually utilize the perfect parry when using it for the max charge

[daring vale]

And explodes

[terse hollow]

Then you just spam that shit, super op

[daring vale]

Combine it with the dreadmace and its insane

[frail plaza]

even fully upgraded and spamming the perfect parry it just didnt feel good to me

[loud gulch]

killing cybers have never felt so satisfying, parry - melee - parry - melee - parry - melee (stun) - glory kill - parry - chainshot - melee - parry - chainshot - BOOM
(melee = pgauntlet)

[terse hollow]

Fair I guess lol, felt good with me but everyone likes different shit 🤣

[frail plaza]

i prefer speed so the ssg shield combo works better for my playstyle than the chainshot

[daring vale]

If anything, I kinda wished the parry window was smaller on nightmare mode

I thought it was quite lenient

[loud gulch]

they buffed the timing recently

atleast, i felt like the timing got even tighter

[terse hollow]

Yeah lmao i use the ssg 90% of the time then pull the chainshot out for anything slightly tanky that gives me a bunch of parries. So satisfying

[loud gulch]

the dreadmace windup turns it down for me. Id rather just use the maxed out power gauntlet as it also shocks demons

[frail plaza]

love doing that but with rocket launcher its just funny to me

[daring vale]

Cyberdemons with the chainshot is therapeutic

[loud gulch]

and i feel like im in dmc4

[loud gulch]

have you tried the ravager btw

[daring vale]

Dreadmace works well in tandem with the chainshot because you parry, hit them with the chainshot, stun them, dreadmace them, dreadmace them again due to the extra charge from the parry, and then you have full ammo to restart the loop

[frail plaza]

its so broken i saw a speedrun where the guy ravaged the final boss and literally melted the health bar

[daring vale]

I think that having every attack be parryable makes it a tad too easy

[loud gulch]

gauntlet also gives out ammo, but its like far far more fun to use and learn rather than just tapping a single button

[daring vale]

I like having to time the dreadmace though, because managing to get a shot in is incredibly satisfying

[loud gulch]

before the nerf i could shred the komodos health into pulp by about 15 seconds on chapter 14

[frail plaza]

probably could still do the same just slightly slower tbh, still feels strong as fuck

[daring vale]

What do you reckon is the most useless weapon

[loud gulch]

shredder HANDS DOWN

[daring vale]

Nah the shredder is good in certain situations

[frail plaza]

nah shredder helps in early game atleast

[loud gulch]

but like really after that its just kinda ass

[daring vale]

I used it pretty late on tbh, fully upgraded its pretty ok

[loud gulch]

everything diffs it, EVEN the accelerator

[frail plaza]

kills pinkies pretty fast and safely i keep forgetting the name but the first skull gun I never end up using

[daring vale]

Nah the accelerator is worse

[hollow sandal]

Pulverizer is weak as well tho you think?

[loud gulch]

pulverizer is good maxed out, it does decent damage to imps and hknights too

[hollow sandal]

Yea

[daring vale]

I maxed it out purely because it was cheap

[loud gulch]

its only really situational when theres like a ton of hknights (reference to that one secret) or a ton of imps

[daring vale]

And then I started using it

[loud gulch]

it really fun but it kinda lacks compared to the ravager

[daring vale]

Dreadmace carried during that secret

[daring vale]

You can just oneshot all of them with one hit

[loud gulch]

i used pulverizer on that secret and melted everything in under half a minute

[daring vale]

Wait which one do you mean

The one in the Spire or the one later

Because there are 2 that have a tonne of hellknights

[loud gulch]

the one where if you pick up that life sigil a ton of hknights ambush you in a corridor

i think its in a cosmic lvl

[daring vale]

The non-euclidean one?

Oh, you mean the one where you go into the bottom of the ship

[loud gulch]

i think its that one?

[livid portal]

what happened to the berserker trophy

[loud gulch]

its the one where you get past 3 underwater sections

[daring vale]

Yeah, there are loads of melee pickups so I shredded them with the dreadmace

[daring vale]

Its bugged on all platforms I believe, apparently they're patching it

[hollow sandal]

Either base shotgun or Impaler is my favorite

[livid portal]

Alr, I was wondering if it was only happening to me lol

[daring vale]

Impaler is good early on but it is terrible against armour

[hollow sandal]

Word

[daring vale]

I loved it purely because of the essentially infinite ammo and the powered shot loop

[hollow sandal]

Yea it's awesome

[frail plaza]

im surprised i managed to get my achievements with how many people complaining about how broken it is

[loud gulch]

then chainshot

[livid portal]

I do have the achievement ingame but not on my trophy collection on base PlayStation

[daring vale]

Chainshot is just the best gun in the game imo

[loud gulch]

if i could just get 900 gold from thin air id have berserker by now

[daring vale]

Nothing it can't do

[loud gulch]

i sent a vid on #videos , i one cycled a cyber with it

[daring vale]

Tbf I have killed cybers in less than 5 seconds with the 1 - 2 chainshot dreadmace combo

[loud gulch]

the reason it took so long for me to kill that cyber was because i was on 50% dmg to enemy

[daring vale]

Fair

[daring vale]

Are you doing a second playthough or just not bothering to 100% levels

[drowsy fractal]

heyya guys

[loud gulch]

i feel lazy to collect the 80 gold i missed throughout the entire 22 levels and im tired to search for it

[livid portal]

Hi

[loud gulch]

hiyya!!

[daring vale]

That's why I 100%ed every level before moving on

[loud gulch]

wtf 😭

[daring vale]

I knew that I wouldn't want to go back later

[hollow sandal]

Nice cyber kill

[daring vale]

I've done 1 playthrough, on nightmare, 100%ing everything

[loud gulch]

thx

[daring vale]

Pretty fun ngl

[hollow sandal]

@loud gulch i'd likeTo see how you handle a Aggadon hunter

[loud gulch]

where do you find that again

[daring vale]

I'm gonna be honest, as a self proclaimed chainshot god, aggadon hunters are easier than cyberdemons

[hollow sandal]

Yea I feel that they got easier for me

[daring vale]

Yeah

Their attacks are slower and more telegraphed

[loud gulch]

also my medal is broken, whenever i try to load a level with medal on my game just crashes

[hollow sandal]

Medal?

[daring vale]

Just use the built in video recorder

[loud gulch]

win alt g doesnt seem to work

[daring vale]

No the steam video recorder, I use it all the time

[hollow sandal]

How do you guys like to handle whiplashed?

[loud gulch]

how do you enable that

[daring vale]

With extreme prejudice

[minor ravine]

Chainshot Riposte are just devastating

[loud gulch]

no i mean i wanna clip it, not record it

[daring vale]

Yeah

[loud gulch]

where do i turn it on

[daring vale]

Go to settings, then game recording

I have it set to manual recording but you can make it function like medal if you want

[loud gulch]

alr i got it on, where do i access my clips

[daring vale]

Same place as screenshots

[loud gulch]

where do you find an agaddon hunter 😭

[daring vale]

It will appear when you open the overlay, and in the screenshot section of the steam client

[loud gulch]

alr thx

[hollow sandal]

Fuckin uhhh, ancestral forge

[loud gulch]

umm ok

[hollow sandal]

After you activate the three switches

[frail plaza]

you fight one at the end of the hell mech mission too

[daring vale]

Do you guys prefer the UI based system dark ages has, or would you rather there was a hub world like Eternal

[loud gulch]

ok idk why my clipping doesnt work

[hollow sandal]

Fuck

[frail plaza]

UI the hub is nice but the ui is just faster

[hollow sandal]

Hub world, but dark ages is faster

[astral summit]

Turns out the game won’t even launch without a current GPU lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1270008610155401329/1376919792963031110/image.png?ex=683713fc&is=6835c27c&hm=a85454e2e646901e0d10bfdf480837197fb1caaf55d45174e7a59c40f991df21&

[vital rapids]

No hub bro

[hollow sandal]

Word

[daring vale]

I totally prefer the hub world idea but I get why people would dislike it

[vital rapids]

Oh no, it's upgradin time

[vital rapids]

Doom never had hubs. We fear change

https://tenor.com/view/garth-wefearchange-waynesworld-danacarvey-gif-6238248

[loud gulch]

my clips r not showing up 😭

[frail plaza]

yeah DA doesnt like clipping for some reason

it used to but all of a sudden it decided not to work with it

[loud gulch]

vro WHAT

[astral summit]

Yup i’m getting a GeForce RTX 3060 soon

[daring vale]

True but the cool Doom 1 and 2 easter egg wouldn't be possible with UI in the same way

[vital rapids]

Oh yeah. You're gonna be Slaying soon

[daring vale]

Speaking of which, I did a completely new playthough just so I could get all the cheat codes so I could play Doom 1

[loud gulch]

lucky pc user

[boreal pecan]

guys i dont understand how to do the rail sheredder mastery

[daring vale]

Shoot big guys

[astral summit]

Hopefully it’ll run well. I have an Intel Core i5 CPU still

[daring vale]

When they glow orange, hit them with the shield

[loud gulch]

play resurrection

[frail plaza]

do the first hell mission, go to the cyberdemon and can just farm the damage on him since he wont die without getting gloried and insta stunned

might be the same with the other perma buff enemies but he's the one I went to

[daring vale]

My strat for the masteries was to just only use the particular gun until I got it

[velvet elbow]

My wallet is crying for help man, I just preordered the deluxe edition of Nightreign

[boreal pecan]

what is easier for the shredder mastery ricochet or pincushion

[velvet elbow]

Pincushion is generally better

[daring vale]

I used pincushion and it was pretty easy

[loud gulch]

should be fine, unless your cpu bottlenecks your gpu

[boreal pecan]

alr thanks

[vital rapids]

I have to recuse myself from that question due to pro-pincushion bias

[loud gulch]

YESSSS IT CAN RECORD

[daring vale]

Ngl, I just didn't use shredder past the early game

[velvet elbow]

The other one is better visually, but not much use out of it

[daring vale]

Imo the impaler is just better in every way

[vital rapids]

Worth bringing out for a play every now and then

[vital rapids]

Oh yeah obviously 👍🏻

[hollow sandal]

I'd use more weapons if the currency was less scarce

I wish I could upgrade More faster

[barren shale]

i3, i5, i7 etc doesn't matter as much as you'd think. An i3-13100 is gonna leave an i7-4790 in the dust

[velvet elbow]

Some weapons need a buff, I’m just waiting for ID on that

[loud gulch]

ok how do i get to the agaddon hunter thing

[hollow sandal]

If youve already played ancestral Forge and activated the three switches then go up to the heart and go to the other side of it

To enter the forge

[daring vale]

The rocket launcher and grenade launcher need it most

They are unbelievably weak

[rocky badger]

Is there an optimal melee weapon? Or just use and upgrade the new one every time you get one? The mace seems to have a bit too slow of an animation but hits much harder and gives way more resources

[velvet elbow]

Nah rocket launcher is goated with that canablism

[velvet elbow]

They are all good, mace is a little broken but if you want more melee the other ones are what you want

[honest vortex]

I keep seeing people say Dark Ages is the furthest in the trilogy from the Classic DOOM because of the shield mechanics and such.

But whenever I play Cosmic Realm stuff, I just think DOOM II Megawad lol

[velvet elbow]

Bro I’d say the game is the closest to classic doom

[daring vale]

No melee weapon is better than another really they just have different use cases (dreadmace is my favourite though)

[daring vale]

Ok this is controversial, but hear me out

This game (in parts) is very similar to ultrakill

[honest vortex]

To me it felt and looked very Shadow Warrior 3 at times

[daring vale]

I mean there is even a level with the same name and theming as an ultrakill level (Belly of the beast)

The soldier has virtually the same attack

[velvet elbow]

I’m just hoping we don’t end up with a doom game that doesn’t play like classic Blood, that would be a nightmare

[daring vale]

Not to mention the parrying being the main focus

I mean, as an Ultrakill player, I love it

[honest vortex]

They say it isn't because of the shields and parries and stuff.

They call 2016 the closest I think (which I can see why they say 2016 is the closest, but Dark Ages felt like Megawads at times)

[velvet elbow]

It feels like modded classic doom if that makes sense

[rare flax]

I finished DOOM TDA in UN... too easy. My first attempt... against like 10 attempts in DOOM 2016 and 5 attempts in DOOM Eternal.

[honest vortex]

I can see 2016 being the closest to a vanilla version of Classic DOOM, but Dark Ages is the closest we got to Megawads

[velvet elbow]

Did you beat it before or after the update

[rare flax]

Now

[velvet elbow]

You updated your game then?

[rare flax]

Yes

[velvet elbow]

Aight, well nice then

[daring vale]

Did you 100% it as well or just avoid the additional encounters

[loud gulch]

lightwork

[slate kestrel]

When I make it back to the first agaddon hunter, I’ll make him pay for ending my other run

[hollow sandal]

Nice

They're satisfying to kill

Especially with the chainshot

[slate kestrel]

Chainshot makes anything easier. The upgrade to make it AOE is kind of busted

[rare flax]

In UN the last 4 levels I left some additional encounter.

And some before

[daring vale]

fair

[loud gulch]

it was already BUSTED in the first place bro

i didnt even realize it but i was playing tda with no music vol

[terse hollow]

The dlc version is gonna be sick I hope

[slate kestrel]

The mixing is def off, but they’re looking into it

[terse hollow]

I know the model for it or whatever was already found hidden in the files

[honest vortex]

Cosmic Realm just next gen Sunlust ngl

[slate kestrel]

Just noticed I’ve been in this discord for 6 years and don’t have any roles lol

[ocean arrow]

https://youtu.be/-fHOMmhAfMc?si=jVLxxGz5jB61tqZ_what what do you guys think?

[terse hollow]

My memory is dogshit but I swear a few years ago when I still had my main discord account there were more roles and stuff. Maybe im thinking of a different doom discord though lol

[velvet elbow]

Ayyyy, not bad. A little techno for my taste

[tribal patrol]

beat drop doesn't hit as hard for me but still pretty good, the build up is very nice

[ocean arrow]

ayy appreciate the feedback guys 🙂

[blazing drift]

Good work m8

[loud gulch]

its really good, honestly if the beat dropped a lil bit harder i think it would hit more

[real rampart]

I mean, it is in the minimum specs description

[loud gulch]

yk you could also download a mod on nexus mods that allows non rtx gpus to play the game

[upper pendant]

you can do that?

[real rampart]

no, you can't

the game wasnt developed with baked in lighting, so its impossible to be able to run it without raytracing capable gpu

at max there's a mod that allows you to be able to run with 4gb VRAM, but raytracing capable is still required

[hollow sandal]

@loud gulch jesus, Ok I'm going to incorporate more melee, cuz I never do that. Thanks I appreciate it

[real rampart]

The one mod that says "turn of RT" will still cause your game to crash and be unable to open on non RT gpus

[frail plaza]

we're in the age of forced raytracing and I fuckin hate it

[real rampart]

I understand it sucks, but at the same time, at some point tech will move forward, RT gpus have been around for the last 7 years. At some point games will stop running on stuff from 10 years ago

[frail plaza]

yeah, like im fine cause my gpu runs RT games perfectly but other than maybe AC shadows I never really see it

[river fern]

TDA's gameplay mechanics utilise ray tracing too, like hit detection

[blazing drift]

Also is there not a compatibility option for GTX 10 Series called DXR? or does that just not work?

[cursive coral]

It's not even because RT is needed, is more because it tanks performance heavily

[real rampart]

Its not about the raytracing itself because of realism, but how it assists on development. Baking lighting manually is more work and requires more resource than taking advantage of raytracing

[cursive coral]

I would trade more frames for a less graphically impressing game any time of the week

[real rampart]

its a tech that allows devs to be able to shift their talents into other areas instead of wasting double or triple the amount of time and effort on

and like, its intensive? yes, but TDA pulled off a very well optimized RT, its not nearly as demanding than RT in many other games

[cursive coral]

I get that, but as a consumer I won't say I prefer RT when more frames would definitely make the experience better

[real rampart]

of course, it sucks for the consumer, but at some point a dude rocking his GTX 1080 Ti from 2017 will become obsolete

ID took advantage of the tech to be able to do double the amount of work in less time, and all they ask is a gpu from 2019

which is not uncanny considering the current gen we are in

[harsh egret]

if u have a high end card from 2020 then ur pretty set lol, the game doesnt feel bad at all on lower frames, u dont need 200+ like in eternal

my friend who has an old 3080 that overheated like crazy on eternal with RT did not overheat at all on TDA with RT btw

[cursive coral]

Yeah, but it would definitely benefit of a higher framerate

[harsh egret]

wouldnt literally any game? im saying u dont need that to have a great experience

[real rampart]

^

[cursive coral]

I'm just saying I personally would have prefered a higher framerate instead of a better looking game

I'm sure I'm not the only one

[real rampart]

Again... its not about "better looking"

its about the fact that if they used baked in lighting this game wouldnt even be out

because it would still be in development and would be for a considerable amount of time

[harsh egret]

yeah idk its been months since those interviews about forced RT

[real rampart]

they took advantage of a technology that has been around since 2019 to optimize the development of the game, as much as it sucks, its not absurd

[cursive coral]

This may sound harsh, but that's on them, consumers only should care about the final product

[drowsy fractal]

[harsh egret]

yh i hate to tell u but RT being the standard isnt too far away now

[real rampart]

yeah no, they should make games that could run on a ps3 hardware for sure

in 2025

[cursive coral]

Not because of the consumer, unfortunately

[harsh egret]

yh "make a grander game and just casually make the development time like 3 years longer just so u can play the game at 150 frames rather than 100" bruh..

[real rampart]

like, its not an illogical step, raytracing tech has been around for nearly 8 years now

[harsh egret]

its a great technology lmao, especially when implemented so well like tda did.

[cursive coral]

Then again, it's more because of the tanked performanced than the compatibility

[harsh egret]

stop looking at "oh yeah rt performs like ass in cyberpunk" its not even the same thing

[real rampart]

again, the performance is an issue you would have if you tried running a game on a 2013 gpu in 2020

[harsh egret]

rt is great lol

[real rampart]

regardless if it had raytracing or not

[cursive coral]

I dont know man, I think people would prefer a better performing game than a better looking game, I feel most players don't care that much about graphical fidelity

[harsh egret]

and im just gonna say TDA with RT with max everything on performed better than E33 without RT yet i dont see people complain about frames in that game? Are you complaining about frames just cause it has RT? Look at games that perform worse without RT lmfao

[real rampart]

its performing fine

[harsh egret]

its performing very very well

[velvet elbow]

Idk why people care so much about framerate

[blazing drift]

well... framegen does not work on amd-gpus with linux but otherwise it does run really good.

[real rampart]

if you have the min specs you can run the game at 60fps with no issues whatsoever

without frame gen

[velvet elbow]

The way I see it as long as a game revolves around 60 fps I am fine

[cursive coral]

I would have prefered at least 100fps tbh

[harsh egret]

what specs do u have

[cursive coral]

3070

[real rampart]

you don't require 100fps to play a game, thats a luxury

[cursive coral]

I run it fine, I just believe a better framerate makes the gameplay a lot better in most games

[velvet elbow]

I feel like 60 fps is a luxury

[cursive coral]

Especially in fast games like these

[harsh egret]

yet theres plenty of games performing worse that dont have RT...

[real rampart]

like I don't even get your point, so you want them to make a gtx 1080 being able to run the game at 100 fps in 2025?

[cursive coral]

Yeah, I would also say the same thing about those other games

[harsh egret]

so then ur point isnt "RT is bad" then or what

i thought thats what this was

[cursive coral]

That I would choose baking lighting over RT because of performance reasons

[harsh egret]

neverending loop

[cursive coral]

It's that simple

[slate kestrel]

Baking also means devs need to take a lot more time planning the entirety of the lighting in the game. RT allows their workflow to be smoother

[harsh egret]

this convo is going nowhere

[real rampart]

you want the game to be worse so you can have extra 40 fps?

[harsh egret]

we are repeating ourselves and the guy has the same conclusion

[real rampart]

or you want games to take 8 years to develop for an extra 40 fps?

[cursive coral]

come on man, a higher framerate would actually make the game better

[real rampart]

it does, but its not necessary for you to play it

[slate kestrel]

If you listen to the engine devs talk, the entire game is built to be smooth and have no latency. This is the best it will get for the current game

[real rampart]

you want extra, and if you want extra, it will cost you extra, same as it always has been

ever since the start of PC gaming

the only obligations the devs have is to deliver to you a smooth experience, which they did, you can play the game at stable 60fps with the min specs

[slate kestrel]

I’m actually blown away at the detail and the performance that it allows. Realtime RT and such detailed geometry and texture everywhere

[cursive coral]

fair, i was just voicing my opinion

[harsh egret]

well the fact is that the game wouldnt be "better" without rt just cuz of frames, it would be worse in many aspects and the fps tradeoff is worth it and it even is really well implemented unlike some other games

[real rampart]

its by far one of the best Raytracing integrated games in the industry rn

its stable af

[real rampart]

the tradeoff is you waiting 8 years to play a game instead of 4

[harsh egret]

yh that as well

[slate kestrel]

Exactly, IDtech is probably one of the most specialized engines right now, and the devs are doing great work

[real rampart]

and that is an absurd tradeoff

[cursive coral]

this i agree with, but i dont think the game looking "worse" would be that much of a negative if it means having better performance

[harsh egret]

when hugo says "it allows us to make better art, faster" he isnt kidding around

[real rampart]

its not about the looks... its about the development of the game, the time and resources

[cursive coral]

thats why i agree with it

[slate kestrel]

The difference In detail of models and texture in eternal and dark ages is a massive jump if you look. Add lighting, and yeah it’s going to be harder to run

[harsh egret]

look at anything up close in eternal and ur gonna puke, especially when u compare it to tda or many other games nowadays

[jovial wraith]

For me personally. TDA looks way worse then Eternal.

[harsh egret]

what?

[real rampart]

weak bait

[harsh egret]

thats not even an opinion, thats just wrong lol

[slate kestrel]

Objectively incorrect

Eternal wishes its armor texture was on par with the slayers beat up new suit

[jovial wraith]

Won't let me link a screenshot but anything at a distance looks like ass on PS5

[loud gulch]

is dlss a thing on ps5

[slate kestrel]

Well that’s a LOD streaming issues, not an actual limiting issue

[upper pendant]

psr is

its sony's equivalent

[jovial wraith]

I really wish I could show a screenshot here. It's horrible.

[loud gulch]

eternals slayers textures looks like a joke compared to tdas

[real rampart]

for starters you don't even have remotely the same amount of detail on far distance

[loud gulch]

turn it up to quality then

[upper pendant]

idk if you can do that i dont have a PS5

[loud gulch]

good fucking lord i bought the game on steam

[harsh egret]

theres a screenshot channel

[slate kestrel]

Every game has low res distances because the amount of memory just can’t handle loading it all the time

[split gate]

cycler's so much fun. Watching all that purple lightning fly around

[cursive coral]

im pretty sure digital foundry already has a video that proves that ps5 indeed looks worse lol

[real rampart]

if you are comparing PC to console... like.... duh

[cursive coral]

(when it comes to details at a distance)

[hollow sandal]

Yea, I live getting that fucker fully charged

[jovial wraith]

#screenshots message

[loud gulch]

its pc port is better than the ps5 counterpart cuz GUESS WHAT microsoft bought bethesda /sat

[harsh egret]

also yeah sadly when i talk about rt and graphical performance im focusing on pc
console gaming to me is a meme when it comes to that, i could never play anything on console, but thats besides the point

[slate kestrel]

Tell me this is a joke lol

[upper pendant]

I mean the PS5 isnt like the most powerful thing out there, its not cause of that

[loud gulch]

LMAO

[jovial wraith]

Which is fair, but this is horrible. Legit looks like the memes that sprouted from Pokemon switch trees.

[loud gulch]

i was being satire

[upper pendant]

it'd be more fair to compare the performence and quality of the XBOX series x to the ps5 than to pc

[upper pendant]

You can never be sure nowadays xd

[cursive coral]

i never said ps5 had to look as good bruh tf

[loud gulch]

💔

[real rampart]

these guys in 2004: Dude why does Doom 3 looks so much better on PC than on the Xbox?

[harsh egret]

me when

[loud gulch]

who here is born earlier than 2004

[hollow sandal]

Peeps always shitting on console 😭

[loud gulch]

honestly eternal was peak at console

it made me get used to 80ms weapon wheel time

[harsh egret]

well i hate the console gaming experience, but thats just for me personally
if u can have fun playing on a console, great

[nocturne turtle]

to be honest, i didn't even mind the performance at all on doom dark ages, since it kind of plays similarly to serious sam, plus i have gotten used to 20-40 fps gameplay long long ago

[loud gulch]

and HONESTLY, doing pb sticky rocket made you feel like a fucking GOD

[loud gulch]

whats your rig? js curious

[real rampart]

I have a gut feeling that you are not running the game with DLSS/FSR

to get those frames

[nocturne turtle]

it's a gaming laptop with i7 10th gen and rtx 2060 which is weaker than your everyday rtx 2060 on pc

[loud gulch]

wtf 😭

[nocturne turtle]

yea i did run the game on dlss too

[loud gulch]

im not on pc btw im on laptop too

[slate kestrel]

I’m sure res scaling and DLSS can help those numbers

[loud gulch]

run framegen

[real rampart]

jeez

[hollow sandal]

Minchia...

[harsh egret]

since when does framegen exist on 20 series

[nocturne turtle]

i still kind of enjoyed the game even though the level 6 literally gave me 20 fps which is kind of crazy

[loud gulch]

even my 4050 is ass bro 💔
100-150fps with fg

[upper pendant]

you can use lossless scaling

[cursive coral]

he probably mean fsr frame gen

[nocturne turtle]

yea that thing doesn't exist on rtx 20 series cards

[loud gulch]

more like super resolution

[loud gulch]

just run the game on 900/720p

[nocturne turtle]

is this a thing? i dont think i saw it in the settings

[loud gulch]

im sure you could get 60-70

[upper pendant]

I dont see the point of 4x frame generation, expecially a game like that

[wintry cedar]

Whats wrong with new skin redeeming??

[loud gulch]

switch dlss with fsr and turn on frame gen there

[cursive coral]

check the options for the scaling, you may have FSR

[wintry cedar]

I got my 2nd code and it wont let me redeem, it says that its invalid

[cursive coral]

FSR does add a bit of input lag tho

[nocturne turtle]

cool fact i switched from dlss 4 to dlss 3 and it actually kind of gave me alot of performance

[loud gulch]

WHAT

how.

[nocturne turtle]

aight, i'll try

[upper pendant]

Yeah you can do that, DLSS 4 sometimes sacrifices quality for performance

[cursive coral]

wait, what? dlss 4 on 20 series?

[harsh egret]

lmao

[loud gulch]

i cant even get 3x framegen on tda

[nocturne turtle]

yea, i think dlss 4 supports 20 series

[loud gulch]

bro 😭

[real rampart]

dlss 4 is for all nvidia RT cards

[loud gulch]

wdymmmm??????? isnt it exclusive to the 50 series

[cursive coral]

oh it just doesnt have the frame gen on the older series

[real rampart]

no its not

[nocturne turtle]

i think it was other way around with dlss 3 though

[loud gulch]

OH WAIT im mixing it up for mfg

[real rampart]

the only thing that is exclusive for RTX 50s is the Multi Frame Gen

[loud gulch]

brain fart moment

[upper pendant]

it honestly really depends on the game and what gpu, sometimes dlss 3 works better and sometimes it dont

[loud gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/soggy-cat-cat-bath-shower-cute-gif-26528563

[harsh egret]

i saw another guy on reddit complain about less performance on his 2080s when having dlss4 on compared to dlss3, so idk maybe an issue there, no clue

[real rampart]

I think this guy is on crack

[harsh egret]

maybe maybe not idk

[nocturne turtle]

i heard that there's limitations for rtx 20's when it comes to dlss 4, which is probably why dlss 3 is more supported and runs better

[chilly flax]

For the ones who bought the game on Steam and want the Guardian skin but still don't have it because of the problems I was concerned too, go to #community-support and You gonna see what I done to finally get it

[loud gulch]

i hope they implement the 3x framegen for 40 gpus

i heard the 40 series could use 3x fg and the 4x was exclusive to the 50

[storm shadow]

Yo are you not able to stun cyberdemons with shield saws? Just came across some footage from a month ago and totally forgot if that’s still a feature.

[harsh egret]

what i was thinking

[real rampart]

the limitations is that it doesnt have access to DLSS 4 Frame Gen

[loud gulch]

wdym a month ago the game came out like 2 weeks ago brodie

[harsh egret]

what footage showed a cyberdemon getting stunned by a shieldsaw lmao

[storm shadow]

People were able to play like a month or two ago exclusively, and I just came across a video where this guy played on nightmare and threw his shield at a cyberdemon

And it actually stuck on the demon, but I think they removed that?

[loud gulch]

that doesnt work, they probably changed it pre launch

[harsh egret]

do u have the video with a timestamp

[real rampart]

sadly nvidia is a terrible greedy company and they prob made it exclusive to rtx50 on purpose so you would have a reason to swap to the 50 seriess

[viral pollen]

Anyone else getting a glitch where all there weapons besides the combat shotgun are gone.

[loud gulch]

i cant switch gpus either im on a laptop 💔

[gray gorge]

I have a question: Do you y'all think that when you're doing melee combos that should give you some sort of invincibility temporarily?
In recent gameplays I have opted to not use melee bc if I do all demons around including fodder can shoot you and you take damage while you're stuck in that animation. I only use it now when there's barely any around or when plausible

[real rampart]

I have my 4070ti super and I will die with it, Im only changing when a console gen has a gpu at least 2x more powerful

[storm shadow]

“Doom: TDA gameplay on nightmare” by DraQu. At around 6:33

[loud gulch]

im switching in like a few years. Hopefully this weak ass laptop can run the newer titles

[real rampart]

my laptop has a 3060 and I swear I think in less than 2 years of use its already dying

[harsh egret]

damn lol ur right, ngl i think its great they removed that

[loud gulch]

HAHAH the thing is i bought this laptop like a year ago 😭

[real rampart]

laptop moment

[loud gulch]

fucking thing runs tda at 110fps

[storm shadow]

Idk it’s kinda boring just fighting him up close all the time, he’s not even hard either.

[real rampart]

I just use mine when I travel, otherwise its just gathering dust

[loud gulch]

chainshot power gauntlet parry

[real rampart]

thats a good fps though, which settings?

[storm shadow]

Power gauntlet 😂 buddy we mace here

[loud gulch]

dlss quality 2x fg everything on low

[real rampart]

ON DLSS QUALITY? damn thats actually pretty good

[loud gulch]

weak. I wanna feel like im playing first person dmc4

[hollow sandal]

I think you Misunderstand good sir

[loud gulch]

eh

[harsh egret]

just wait til bro realises how good the gauntlet is

[loud gulch]

it drops to like 100 on really heavy moments but it settles at 120-150 at less heavy moments

[nocturne turtle]

lucky

[loud gulch]

💔

[storm shadow]

U can kill any heavy with two mace swings so nah no gauntlets for me

[nocturne turtle]

i tried fsr frame generation, it gave me 30 fps on large level and heavy level, but it felt like slow mo

[real rampart]

I dont even know how much fps I get on my desktop 4070ti Super

[storm shadow]

Especially on my UN runs I’m trynna kill everything fast

[real rampart]

I just left settings on Ultra (not max), with DLSS quality

no frame gen

[loud gulch]

fsr fg literally sucks for me. Whenever i turn it on my pc runs at 20fps but my pc registers it as "130fps"

[loud gulch]

did it run well?

[cursive coral]

it may be because of the added input lag, youll feel everything a little sluggish

[real rampart]

I think it gets 160+

[loud gulch]

wtf

[real rampart]

on busy areas might drop a bit

[loud gulch]

honestly, for a pc thats fair enough.

im NOT gonna get jealous this time

[real rampart]

to 130 or something, I havent checked extensively

[loud gulch]

damn

[nocturne turtle]

its not that, the game was originally running at 10 fps (i only remember it running at 20 fps at lowest when i was at the same area for the first time) which is why it felt like i toned down game speed

[viral pollen]

So no one else got a glitch in chapter 19 where all their stuff is gone?

[loud gulch]

10 fps??? wtf

[viral pollen]

I can’t move on now cuz I can’t throw my shield

[nocturne turtle]

yea, it's crazy

well if it runs, then it runs. i beat the game somehow so yea

[loud gulch]

repeat your rig pls?

[viral pollen]

My whole save file is fucked idk what happened

[nocturne turtle]

intel i7 10th gen and rtx 2060 on the laptop

[loud gulch]

i think its just you br

[viral pollen]

Fuck

[loud gulch]

right okay and im assuming 6gbs of vram?

[hollow sandal]

It was fun to have a definitive classification of demon sizes. It's different here

[storm shadow]

Was it an UN or pandemonium run?

[nocturne turtle]

yup you're right

[hollow sandal]

Manc will not falter from shield bash, arachnatron will

[loud gulch]

gg. honestly its impressive that you beat the game at that fps

i would literally PUKE playing on fps below 50

[real rampart]

this reminds me when I had a gtx 650 and wanted to play RE2R

[cursive coral]

have you tried reducing the allocated vram?

[nocturne turtle]

i mean, it was alright for the most part, i even had over 60 fps in some areas though.
I remember playing with that amount of fps on painkiller hd when i was on old old pc

[real rampart]

ran that game barely at 30fps under 720p

[loud gulch]

damn.

[nocturne turtle]

i think i had it to lowest as possible

[loud gulch]

actually i wanna check how much fps i get on 720p

[real rampart]

prob double the amount

[loud gulch]

200fps im on my way ❤️‍🩹

[cursive coral]

mb, i meant texture pool size

[real rampart]

but tbqh, if I had your rig and I was getting 100fps I would be very satisfied

[nocturne turtle]

yea, i was talking about that, i'm assuming lowest is 1.5 gigs?

[real rampart]

100 fps for me is very good

[loud gulch]

jesus christ 180fps 😭

[cursive coral]

yeah, its the lowest

[loud gulch]

do yk my rig?

[upper pendant]

I was playing it in 1440p on ultra at 90fps and it was great

[real rampart]

isnt yours the laptop 3060?

[loud gulch]

4050 6gb vram i7 13620h

[nocturne turtle]

yea that is right, it is what it is

[upper pendant]

it would often bump to 120 fps and sometimes down to 80fps but i didnt feel it TBH, beyond 100fps it becomes meaningless to me

[real rampart]

DAMN BRUH

[nocturne turtle]

i could probably get new computer if i get into some IT job that pays decently well

[real rampart]

which is the most intensive area in the game?

siege 1?

[loud gulch]

siege pt1 and ressurection

[hollow sandal]

Auto turret rune is actually mid?

[real rampart]

k I will check how it runs

[loud gulch]

thats pretty much it honestly

[cursive coral]

ive found it useful if you want shit to die fast

[harsh egret]

afaik for me it was the area before the mech fight... no spoilers
i consistently dropped to 60 fps there and that was the only place

[upper pendant]

I used it the entire way through it's pretty good

[viral pollen]

What does that mean

[loud gulch]

oop no i was wrong, i meant 100-120 fps during gameplay, i think its the same for heavier parts of the game too

[harsh egret]

wrong, at some point during the 2nd mech segment actually

[real rampart]

ok so siege 1 first open area Im getting around 140fps

[hollow sandal]

Ok sick

[hollow sandal]

Ok thanks

I haven't had a chance to really play the game like i want

[loud gulch]

thats 40fps more. 40fps of more glory

[real rampart]

I dont have frame gen on because I refuse to turn on windows acceleration

[loud gulch]

im FORCED to use fg cuz without fg id be getting 50-90fps

[real rampart]

just DLSS quality 1080p on Ultra

[loud gulch]

dark ages on 6gb vram really is a struggle.

[real rampart]

I am so glad I went for a 4070ti super instead of just the super one

[loud gulch]

i shouldve bought a fucking pc vro 💔

[real rampart]

the 16gb vram were a god sent

[loud gulch]

lucky mf

[real rampart]

just had to eat noodles for whole meals for months, but it was worth it

[hollow sandal]

Nice

I have a gtx 1080 😭

[hardy tide]

If doom the dark ages requires RT. Means games need a dx12 GPU with RT support going forward. Does that mean GTA6 PC port will have forced RT?

[loud gulch]

obviously

[nimble rose]

Can I change somehow the cross hair of the dragon?

[real rampart]

i dont know, maybe?

[harsh egret]

i bought a 5070 ti for tda lmao, ofc i needed an upgrade anyway so it was good timing

[dusty raven]

i doubt cards that dont support ray tracing will run the game that well anyway

[real rampart]

very good timing

[hollow sandal]

How many watts is your psu? If I may

[harsh egret]

i upgraded the psu as well, went from 750 to 1k

[hollow sandal]

Michia...

[hardy tide]

I have a Rtx 3070 OC and the dark ages runs well.

[hollow sandal]

FUCK.

[loud gulch]

fps?

[slate kestrel]

I literally can’t speak because my rig is better than majority of people

[hardy tide]

60

[harsh egret]

i had a 3070 as well, before i got my 5070ti

[loud gulch]

turn on framegen

[hollow sandal]

Are there any major downsides to frame Gen?

[slate kestrel]

I’ve noticed frame gen barely adds any latency as well

[harsh egret]

depends on game its latency for me, but tda has way less latency than other games with mfg do altough still a lil noticeable

[cursive coral]

depending on the base fps, latency

[hardy tide]

I will have to opt for FSR and XESS because DLSS frame gen is not supported

[dusty raven]

probably artifacting and latency

[hardy tide]

On ampere

[hollow sandal]

Ah, and latency is input delay?

[dusty raven]

yeah

[slate kestrel]

Yes

[loud gulch]

xess crashes my game and fsr framegen is dogshit btw

[cursive coral]

Y

[hardy tide]

Nvidia locked frame gen to 4000 and 5000 gpu

[cursive coral]

ive tried FSR and honestly feels terrible, but try anyways

[hard thistle]

Is your pfp firebrand

[hardy tide]

Yes

[loud gulch]

ok ykw im downgrading to 918p

[hard thistle]

That's fuckin wild.
Bad ass dude!

[hard thistle]

I'm on 3070 rn too ngl

[gritty matrix]

I've started a nightmare run, even if I am getting my ass fairly kicked, it's not overwheming

[hard thistle]

Can't afford upgrades

[gritty matrix]

I am saving for a CPU upgrade atm

I got a GPU in February, not top of the line but ok for the moment

[hard thistle]

I wish I could save lmao

[gritty matrix]

it's difficult to save...

[real rampart]

I feel like I should format my PC

[hollow sandal]

Dude I want a 3080ti😭

[gritty matrix]

expenses and bills piling...

[real rampart]

its been 6 months since the last clean install

[hard thistle]

Gotta buy diapers like twice a week lmfao

[hollow sandal]

rip

[gritty matrix]

I feel you, kids are expensive

then it's going to be school fees

[hard thistle]

Yuhp. Can't wait.
(Actually can't wait though.)

[honest vortex]

I just realized, I'm surprised Dark Ages didn't have cheats return

[real rampart]

it does, its called sliders

[hard thistle]

"brand new Dark Ages exploit!!!!! (2025 WORKING)"

[loud gulch]

me when i brag to everyone that i beat ultra nightmare without telling them i set the sliders to the lowest:

[hard thistle]

Any else not get the pandemonium reward on complete?

[hardy tide]

Thanks

[hollow sandal]

Does the shield throw do damage against super heavies at all?

[loud gulch]

no

afaik it only stuns heavies and imps

[hollow sandal]

Are they even super heavies tho? The game doesn't have demons classified this time

I guess it's implied

By how they react to the shield

[loud gulch]

google

[hardy tide]

A pipe dream feature for me with Dark ages is a classic doom RT Renderer that makes the game look like doom II

[inner wigeon]

Did the maykr bind on the slayer’s suit limit his power or was it only used to control him?

[honest vortex]

Sliders don't have birthday party effects doe

[honest vortex]

DOOM 64 renderer

[feral bane]

It’s just a fail safe if they feel the need to kill him

It doesn’t passively limit his power

[slate kestrel]

Yeah bro was still punching blocks of steel across rooms, seems the same power lol

[uneven mortar]

Is Kaiser who made the Kex engine the same guy who made the doom eternal Kaiser campaign??

[final night]

Somebody knows how to fix the bug trophie “berserker” on ps5?

[harsh egret]

just gotta wait for them to fix it with a patch, they said they were working on fixing it

[torpid crane]

I would also love to know this

[hard thistle]

cannibalism is the craziest upgrade in the game like holyshit wdym i can heal myself with self damage

[fierce steeple]

How have less than 25% of PS players finished the campaign

[upper pendant]

only 20% of people play RDR2, granted its a long game but i picked TDA shortly after it released and only finished it today

i genuinely think it can be exhausting to play, not in a bad way but I really had to focus and i would need a day between levels

but it doesn't speak to the quality of a game how many people complete it

especially so soon after release

[delicate grotto]

Game came out 2 weeks ago, and released in the middle of the week. College finals, work etc.
I’m an avid Doom fan and I still haven’t finished the campaign. Going to probably today though. Currently on the last couple of chapters and holy shit does this game go into overdrive. Coolest Doom game by far, and perhaps even the best. IMO.

[uneven mortar]

They REALLY need to add a slider for ammo capacity

[delicate sequoia]

This game is so underrated,a and the soundtrack is over hated because is not mick, dude i cant with this anymore is it deadly to admit is a good game with a great soundtrack?

[placid saffron]

wdym underrated, it's a typical AAA release

[honest vortex]

I like the best songs of the OST more than 2016 and Eternal's OST.

Yeah I said it.

Infernal Chasm is phenomenal. The music on the Chapter 14 where they introduce the Komodo is also fantastic

Into the Void and basically anything on Cosmic Realm is wonderful

[delicate sequoia]

So sad that the boss part is not in the spotify sounftrack

[honest vortex]

There's also a part that sounds like DOOM 2016's menu theme. I don't remember if that appears on YouTube or Spotify though

Also I noticed Chapter 22's exploration/ambient music is a remix of a DOOM II song

[brazen heron]

At first,I tried to be soft on the OST,but nah it just doesn't come close to Mick's work,music is non negotiable,it is meh,just generic metal noise most of the time

[honest vortex]

Infernal Chasm kinda reminds me of Flesh and Metal tbh

Atlan Battleground reminds me of Rust Dust and Guts

[slate kestrel]

Into the void is goated

[brazen heron]

Only part of TDA I genuinely find mid instead of just a lot worse than Eternal

[upper pendant]

its alright and some bits really were good, i remember hearing the second part of the siege level and it was fantastic

[delicate sequoia]

Theres one song that sounds exactly like “contemplate” from plutonia “hellspawn rift” was the song

[upper pendant]

but like, I dont remember anything in particular. they kinda blend into each other. Best i can say is that it ranges from forgettable to serviceable and occacisionally great

[brazen heron]

If the FPS genre is a mountain,Eternal is the peak,2016 and TDA are the points on the opposite side of each other near the peak

[honest vortex]

Infernal Chasm sounds like Mick Gordon to a T lol

[slate kestrel]

Can people not just say they enjoy a game without putting other games down?

[delicate sequoia]

2016 was the perfect modern doom formula

[brazen heron]

Problem is with Eternal they already reached the peak,making TDA seem less impressive and good than it actually is

[delicate sequoia]

Eternal and the darl ages are just derivations

[brazen heron]

I would say TDA is better than 2016 in most ways

[delicate sequoia]

True

[slate kestrel]

Eternal dick riders always gotta say how good it is whenever they can

[delicate sequoia]

I prefer laverintic levels that make me explore

[honest vortex]

And how 2016 and Dark Ages are "trash" too

[slate kestrel]

Yeah

[delicate sequoia]

Eternal lineal levels were fine but the caged encounters where to much

[brazen heron]

Guys,Eternal is actually "bad",REAL doom fans prefer 2016

[delicate sequoia]

Eternal is a good game

[slate kestrel]

I don’t compare them because they are all different games. Each are good

[delicate sequoia]

But eternal is also overated

[slate kestrel]

Yes

[brazen heron]

This was an unironic argument from Eternal's release

[upper pendant]

I liked eternal but i preferred dark ages but they're quite different games and people will like different things

[brazen heron]

"Eternal not real doom because you have to weapon swap bro!!!You have to use dash instead of just running bro!!!"

[delicate sequoia]

Dark ages feels like im playing an evolved clasic doom game, like straight jump from 64 and loved that

[delicate grotto]

It’s actually insane how much the game is getting glazed right now. So many Doom “fans” brought in by Eternal hate on pretty much every other game in the franchise.

[cursive coral]

tbh all nudoom games are very different from doom 1 and 2

[honest vortex]

Meanwhile people nowadays say "2016's bad, REAL DOOM fans prefer Eternal"

Not really much has changed.

[brazen heron]

Also classic purists and hardcore classic fans called 2016 a quake game with a DOOM paint too,so not even 2016 couldn't escape this debate

[honest vortex]

It's like a Megawad actually.

Cosmic Realm reminds me of Sunlust and Ancient Aliens and things like that

[brazen heron]

"It's NOT REAL DOOM!!!" argument existed since 2004,pretty sure

[honest vortex]

It has happened since DOOM 64 tbh

[delicate grotto]

Nah, since 1997

[honest vortex]

Even DOOM II is arguably very different from DOOM 1993, since they shifted their level design philosophy and tone a lot

Just that DOOM II reused the assets and engine

[brazen heron]

@honest vortex I respect 2016's framework,but the wepaon balance was nonexistent in that game,and gameplay loop was just "spam the best weapon you have",also you were slow and there was no dash to compensate for faster projectiles

[slate kestrel]

I don’t know what people expect when ththey devs of the modern games say that every game will be different. How can you expect eternal 2.0

[honest vortex]

"it's because Eternal's a league of its own" 🤓

[delicate grotto]

Doom: Run and gun. Kill demons with badass weapons. One man against the hordes of Hell.

It’s that simple.
And guess what, each game does exactly that, just in different ways.

[brazen heron]

That double shot SSG was just insane

[honest vortex]

Woah didn't know DOOM 20216 released

[cursive coral]

i noticed that doom 1's maps are better "structured" than doom 2's, but that's probably preference, and yeah, adding the ssg made me actually want to hug the enemies before shooting, something i never did in doom 1

[honest vortex]

We're 20,000 years in the future!

[honest vortex]

The city levels in DOOM II did leave a lot to be desired

[delicate grotto]

Lmao. Yep.
Eternal is heavily flawed, despite being such a fun game. It’s a shame so many Eternal diehards have the inability to adjust to new mechanics. 90% of the people shitting on TDA haven’t made it past the first 5 missions.

[brazen heron]

DOOM ever since DOOM2 was not THAT simple.In UV and NM you have to be actually intelligent and use your weapons and resources properly,each weapon(except the pistol)serves an unique purpose

[honest vortex]

I'm actually shocked that Hmmmp hated Dark Ages when he loved 2016 and especially especially especially Eternal

[brazen heron]

TDA is simply unlucky.It is like GTA4 after San Andreas(Though I still think GTA4 is the better game)

[delicate grotto]

I was just describing the general, shared basis across all the games. But fair enough.

[cursive coral]

does ppl actually play NM seriously?

[honest vortex]

Hmmmp did say he loved the Cosmic Realm doe

[cursive coral]

NM is like mental in serious sam, its more like a meme difficulty, its nuts

[delicate grotto]

Oh he didn’t like it? Not surprised tbh.

[honest vortex]

Personally I predict Hmmmp will eventually come around and start loving it but who knows

[brazen heron]

In 2016 your weapon arsenal was so powerful,also the numbers and types of monsters being pretty limited,plus being able to get health constantly,the game became pretty easy(except in NM,fuck NM)

[honest vortex]

I kinda am since he loved 2016.

Though I am actually surprised Dead K3y loved Dark Ages

[honest vortex]

Dead K3y calls himself a DOOM hater, but an Eternal fan, but loved Dark Ages which was interesting

Though Dead K3y doesn't love the game enough to make YouTube content for it as he thought it was "too easy", but still had a lot of fun with the game

[delicate grotto]

Game’s getting a lot of criticism on media platforms. Mainly because the people “reviewing” it either wanted an Eternal 2.0, or didn’t bother finishing the game. TDA is definitely an acquired taste for most, it takes its time introducing you to its mechanics and combat loop. Those first couple of missions didn’t hook me, but once Siege Part 1 rolled around I started to really like it. Cosmic Realm solidified TDA as being my favorite of the trilogy.

It’s definitely one of those games that you can’t make up your mind on until you’ve finished the entire experience.
I’d understand someone dropping Doom 2016 halfway through if they didn’t like it, since it doesn’t have much else to introduce aside Bosses from that point.
Same goes for most of the Doom franchise.
TDA is different.

[honest vortex]

Is Dark Ages your favorite DOOM in general, even beyond the new games?

[honest vortex]

It also has the lowest ratings on Steam out of the three games.

Though 2016 has the highest ratings which surprises me due to the amount of Eternal Dick riding nowadays

[leaden gull]

I loved the entire game and got hooked immediately so maybe I’m weird but I don’t understand those media reports at all lol

[delicate grotto]

I haven’t finished it but I can safely say, yes, it is my favorite in the franchise by far.
Maybe it’s because I’ve played Eternal to exhaustion but I love the combat loop in this game. I don’t find it as easy as people claim it to be. Though it did get a recent balance update that made the game a little more challenging (and I can definitely notice it.)

[honest vortex]

What's your current ranking of DOOM games in general from favorite to least?

[leaden gull]

Interestingly, I’ve never played a DOOM game before TDA

[delicate grotto]

I’m also on 120% speed so that tunes it up a bit

[leaden gull]

thought I’d dip my toes in and I loved TDA

I’m playing the games in order of events now, so I’m now gonna play DOOM 2016 then Eternal

[cursive coral]

if you play the games once like most people would do, i can see how 2016 would get better ratings

[delicate grotto]

TDA > Eternal > Doom 2016 > Doom I > Final Doom > Doom 2 > Doom 64 > Doom 3.

I love them all, and I wouldn’t call any of them bad. Doom 3 is a lot of fun but doesn’t scratch the same itch as the classics or NuDoom. I started with Doom 3, and it’ll always be special to me for that reason.

[slate kestrel]

TDA also is coming out when people hate on things for any reason, and give in to rage bait easier, could be why the lower reviews

[frail plaza]

constant negativity constant ragebaiting everywhere

[feral bane]

I don’t really consider most takes made right after release to be particularly accurate

Game systems aren’t figured out fully, and recency bias is a real thing

[leaden gull]

pisses me off icl

[delicate grotto]

Right, lol.
TDA’s got better critic reviews than Eternal though, not that that means much, but it could mean something for the Game Awards.
Don’t care for the show, but I’d like to see the id team get recognition for this, imo, stellar game.

[leaden gull]

Could try and pull another DOOM 2016 and win an award

Now that’d be nice

[slate kestrel]

ID hasn’t really gotten the recognition they deserve. Every one of their games has been consistently great

[leaden gull]

Well, DOOM 3 was questionable

[slate kestrel]

It might not have been a great doom game, but it was a great game regardless

[leaden gull]

It wasn’t a bad game but it wasn’t a good one either, and certainly not a doom one

[honest vortex]

I do know on metacritic Dark Ages does 87 metacritic. Equal to 2016, and one point lower than Eternal's 88.

If that means anything

[frail plaza]

same everything has to be bad you cant be positive at all like god damn enjoy life for atlest 5 seconds

[delicate grotto]

And their newest game, TDA, is their most ambitious by far. I think it paid off. Especially in the latter half of the game. The Cosmic Realm is amazing, and I love ||the reality bending rooms you encounter. Threw me for a loop.||

[brazen heron]

DOOM3 SLANDER?!!!

[honest vortex]

Oh wait no. Dark Ages dropped to 85

[cursive coral]

honestly, im part of the people that didnt like the dragon and mech sections, the ideas are cool as hell but the gameplay is not that good imo

[honest vortex]

It's like a next gen DOOM II Custom WAD.

[brazen heron]

Eternal is 88 on Metacritic?!

It should be at least an 90

[slate kestrel]

Does it really matter? Such small differences in score don’t really mean much

[brazen heron]

I personally think it is an 100 but that would be too radical for metacritic

[delicate grotto]

Yeah that’s fair. Atlan is fine for what it is but the Dragon could’ve used some different combat. Dogfighting other Hell ships with Serrat would’ve been sick.

[feral bane]

Atlan sections focusing on dodging is kind of baffling

[cursive coral]

i would have loved they made the dragons sections more like armored core or something, but thats way out of scope

[brazen heron]

Is it me Slayer is way weaker in TDA lore wise?

[honest vortex]

Looking at the user ratings.

Dark Ages sits on 7.6 user ratings on PC, and 8.0 on Xbox and PlayStation

Eternal sits at 8.6 -8.8 user ratings

[brazen heron]

Wait really 7.6?

[feral bane]

Way weaker or just kind of weaker depending on how you think he gets stronger

His equipment is a lot worse than in future games, that’s for sure though

[honest vortex]

7.8 actually my b

[brazen heron]

Slayer can get actually hurt in TDA

[honest vortex]

For user ratings, not critics

[lilac swan]

He doesn't have the praetor suit in TDA yet

[brazen heron]

In 2016 and Eternal he is invulnerable lore wise

[slate kestrel]

His suit isn’t the praetor or his eternal modified suit

[delicate grotto]

Marginal difference.
Overall, general consensus is the game is good but not as great as the last 2. I disagree, but to each their own I suppose.

[brazen heron]

Better than 2016 imo

[feral bane]

He’s not invulnerable

[delicate grotto]

I thought a couple critic sites rated it higher than the last 2 games but perhaps I’m mistaken.

[brazen heron]

We literally never see him damaged in any way

[feral bane]

It’s confirmed he bled during 2016’s events in Eternal

[brazen heron]

No,it never does?Unless you are confusing it with the first time he was found by the argentans

[feral bane]

Just because he isn’t a bloody mess in cutscenes doesn’t mean he doesn’t take damage either. He can absorb argent to heal himself, which explains his insane endurance and healing factor.

[delicate grotto]

7.6 likely due to the horrendous PC launch, and the continual performance issues it’s having on rigs that should be able to run it fine.
If TDA had 0 performance issues, I’m confident it’d be sitting at least an 8.0

[feral bane]

Elena Richardson’s logs in Eternal confirm they got blood samples from him on Mars surface.

They studied his blood type to determine if he’s human or not

[delicate grotto]

I just scanned a couple metacritic user reviews

Absolute braindead reviews. I’m sorry, but seriously. The complaints boil down to: “I’m bad at this game and it frustrates me.”

[feral bane]

Most Doom reviews in a nutshell

[brazen heron]

Slayer defeats the Icon without a scratch ,who is way more powerful than any opponent he can encounter in Eternal(Except maybe Khan Maykr)

[lilac swan]

There are reviews complaining that it doesn't have Mick

[delicate grotto]

And now with the addition of Eternal diehards, we’ve got “It’s not Eternal, I hate it.” As well.

[cursive coral]

i mean, you dont even have to play the game to leave a metacritic review afaik

[drowsy socket]

There's so many bad reviews on this game and I don't get it

[brazen heron]

Bdo do not question DOOM Logic,because there isn't any,we are talking about a human civilisation a century ahead of us and who just got the argent tech thanks to Samuel

[delicate grotto]

That’s why I usually don’t even look at Metacritic anymore.

[drowsy socket]

I feel like people aren't happy with anything anymore

[delicate grotto]

You can see the difference between people who actually tried it and people who didn’t, because most of the scores range from 8-9s to 0s. There’s few in between.

[drowsy socket]

Agreed

[honest vortex]

It's because people want to copy MoistCritikal's opinion

[brazen heron]

TDA is a 80-90,I am not very sure yet

[drowsy socket]

Moist shit on the game?

[brazen heron]

Also Civvie released a video about TDA

[lilac swan]

I've literally seen reviews complaining that the game is "too easy"

[drowsy socket]

I think Dark Ages is one of the best FPS games I've ever played

I'm also a Doom glazer though, since it's my favorite video game series

[brazen heron]

Nah,you are not glazing DOOM is just peak

[delicate grotto]

I don’t know why people let YouTubers hold an opinion over their own.
Over half of these people are not game designers, or game reviewers. Why does their opinion hold any magnitude to yours? I just don’t get it.

[honest vortex]

It does sit at 8.0 to 8.1 for PlayStation and Xbox versions, so you'd be correct

[brazen heron]

Modern Doom so peak we can only can comapre these games to eachother

[honest vortex]

No. He said it was good, just a huge step down from Eternal and 2016

[drowsy socket]

Because when someone on a screen says something everyone follows, but they never listen to the people who have strong opinions but don't have popularity or strong significance, this can be applied to every issue in the world.

[delicate grotto]

Lmao

[delicate grotto]

You’re 100% correct there. It’s an unfortunate truth.

[drowsy socket]

That's why I trust audience reviews over critics

And usually the audience is right

[honest vortex]

For me I tried going back to both games recently and I just can't get into them anymore.

Dark Ages is far and away my favorite and has kinda straight up rewired my brain.

[lilac swan]

Since there are literally sliders to modify to suit each person's taste, there's no point in setting the game speed to the slowest possible and complaining that the game is too easy.

[delicate grotto]

He compared it to Dark Souls 2
Calling it the black sheep on the trilogy. Lol.

[brazen heron]

Normally I think some fans overreact on critcising or disliking on new games in the seires,but I also kinda did that when TDA released

[honest vortex]

Which is hilarious because I used to glaze 2016 like no tomorrow

[proud mirage]

anyone using framegen?

[drowsy socket]

When I boot up a Doom game I just think, "oh gun shoots shit let me use the coolest gun and hold down the trigger" it's why I'll never be able to beat Ultra Nightmare I have too much fun to be tactical

[honest vortex]

I seen a lot of people calling it the DOOM 3 of the modern DOOMs lol

[brazen heron]

Like I just am passively negative most of the time if a game I was expecting was not as good as I thought

[delicate grotto]

Yep.
People calling it too easy, yet took no advantage in using the sliders.

[brazen heron]

But for some reason TDA pissed me a lot depsite me enjoying it...mostly

[drowsy socket]

I started Dark Ages on Nightmare and I've still died a lot despite it being the "easiest" Doom Game, Personally I think it's more difficult without the meat hook but that's just me

[honest vortex]

Though tbf black sheep's can still be good, just can stand out as not being nearly as good as the others.

Like Mario Sunshine's black sheep status

[brazen heron]

FIVE years of wait and insane expectations,80 Dollars price tag,the sequel of the one and only DOOM Eternal

[delicate grotto]

Ouch.
That’s insane.
People who say that already out themselves as having no opinion of their own there. Just regurgitating what a couple of their favorite YouTubers said without actually playing the game.

[drowsy socket]

Doom 3 isn't a bad game though?? It just takes place in an alternate reality within the Doom timeline

[honest vortex]

I actually think it's more difficult than Eternal tbh.

Though the difficulty progression and spikes are more inconsistent and random compared to Eternal

[delicate grotto]

That’s true but the term is usually used in a negative context. I see what you’re saying though. It is true TDA is the most different of the 3, but I think it benefits the game heavily.

[honest vortex]

Prequel

[brazen heron]

Yeah I was disappointed,because it did not match my expectations,I expected a way game even better than Eternal

Eternal is already a masterpiece,how much better a FPS can get?

[drowsy socket]

||The Ahzrak fight was ridiculous (before the final mission) I absolutely loved it||

[drowsy socket]

I wish every boss fight was like that

[delicate grotto]

I agree. This game is kicking my ass. I am on 120% speed but still, kicking my ass. Now maybe the update made a lot of things harder but some attacks straight up kill you without any 5hp buffer. Revenant lock-on? Instant death on NM if you’re 100hp or below. Way less forgiving than Eternal where you can recuperate all your resources within a matter of seconds.

[drowsy socket]

He's like the Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors) of Doom

Lu Bu is such a badass, I beat him in the demo of Origins and it was insanely difficult

Yo if anyone else here plays Dynasty Warriors add me as a friend I could talk about Dynasty's Warriors for weeks, idk anyone else who's a fan of it.

[hard thistle]

anyone eles think the leves are so big this game?

[lilac swan]

I played the game for the first time at 150% and I ended up getting used to it

[delicate grotto]

Yes and I love it. Very classic Doom

[drowsy socket]

The levels can take like 3 hours if your trying to get every collectible

[delicate grotto]

Nice

[drowsy socket]

People who say the game is too short are only playing to beat it

[hollow sandal]

Short??

[drowsy socket]

I've spent 30 hours getting better at levels I struggled with and 100% everything along the way

[hard thistle]

yeah i noticed that's why i'm still only halfway through the game lol

[drowsy socket]

And I'm just now at the final level which I saved for sometime today

[lilac swan]

And I don't know how zero master did 100% of the game in 4 hours

[hollow sandal]

Bruh I really wish you could re arrange the weapon wheel 😭

[drowsy socket]

I need to get better at the end game encounters, they are insane

[drowsy socket]

I call bs

[hard thistle]

also weapon mastry only give you a skin instead of a unique upgrade idk how to feel about that

[delicate grotto]

Yo same. I keep thinking the shotgun is the fucking assault rifle because of Doom Eternal.

[hard thistle]

THIS omg i need it so bad

[delicate grotto]

Or shredder, whatever you wanna call it.

[hollow sandal]

Exactly bro 😭 same for skullcrusher thinking it's the rockets

Hugo pleewaaase 😭😭

[lilac swan]

They will implement it in the future I think

[hollow sandal]

Hopefully 😭😭

[brazen heron]

I thought this game was like gonna be 20+ hours at least

[hollow sandal]

Only the plasma rifle, and Chainshot are in the right place for me

[delicate grotto]

It is. At least if you’re taking your time to 100% it and playing on a difficulty that challenges you.

[brazen heron]

Zero master is Doom Slayer in a regular human form

[hard thistle]

Believe it or not but i'm using the combat shotgun more the the super shotgun lol

they shouldve kept the armour drops to the supershotgun

[delicate grotto]

Really? Every time I switch to the shotgun, as fun as it is, I feel at a disadvantage

[brazen heron]

SSG doesn't do much in this game,other than just a lot of damage

[lilac swan]

The combat shotgun in this game is much better than in previous games, so I understand.

[delicate grotto]

I’ve incorporated the SSG into a lot of my combos lol

[hard thistle]

the damage is insane but combat shotgun is more useful

[delicate grotto]

Yeah, it’s got more of a use this time around

[brazen heron]

Regular shotgun looks cooler and is better in most situations,TDA SSG looks like it was sawed off twice

[hollow sandal]

Regular shotgun is so fucking sick this game, I love it. Use it more than I should

[lilac swan]

I only use SSG, cycler and ravager

[brazen heron]

Regular shotgun appreciation!

[hollow sandal]

Not the Impaler? Impaler is sick imo

[oak temple]

Do you need to finish the game on UN to get 100%?

[grim cloud]

the more i play, the more i want to be able to switch to any weapon with a hotkey. Why must i press a button twice?

[hollow sandal]

Yes I love blowing up fodder enemies into a ball of flames.

[brazen heron]

They made the weapons look too badass in this game

[lilac swan]

Sometimes I use it too, the damage is very good

[hollow sandal]

Yea rip

[hollow sandal]

I feel that. I suppose that's the cycler for me. It's fun but I dont use it very often

[willow beacon]

Huh

[brazen heron]

Excpet the SSG and Shredder.Shredder looks a bit weird.And I already explained the SSG situation.

[willow beacon]

They look so good

[hard thistle]

Chainshot is underwhelming

[hollow sandal]

Did you upgrade it?

[hard thistle]

not yet

[slim crypt]

then upgrade it and actually use it

[brazen heron]

Eternal SSG looked peak and worked peak

[wheat sigil]

the electro thingy doe...

[hollow sandal]

I think you'll like it after upgrading. Instantly Fully charged shots are satisfying

[lilac swan]

You can shock demons around, this ends up giving an insane dps for this weapon

[hard thistle]

I use the Pulveriser for movement i bet speedruners are gonna use it so often in thier runs

[hollow sandal]

facts, I'm trying to work it in

[hollow sandal]

Nah yea factz

[brazen heron]

TDA RL might be even better DE RL

Upgraded TDA RL is INSANE

It can give you HEALTH now

[hard thistle]

chainshot should have infinite ammo/require 0 ammo

[hard thistle]

Yeah

[delicate grotto]

Weapons like the Chainshot and Impaler throw me off. Not a fan of “charge-up” guns but that’s just me. They’re fun, but I can’t find a way to incorporate them into my playstyle that well.
Although the Chainshot is a must for Vagarys.

[hollow sandal]

Impaler charge up?

Seems more like empowered to me?

[delicate grotto]

I guess I meant slow rate of fire, charge up wasn’t the right word.

[hollow sandal]

Ohh, like "one shot"?

[delicate grotto]

Yeah pretty much

[hollow sandal]

Gotcha

[brazen heron]

Fun fct:Instead of the meathook,we now have the shield bash.But of course just like most things in TDA it was watered down from Eternal.Looks cooler though imo.

[hollow sandal]

Watered down? ehhh seems unfair to compare to eternal. How can you Possibly improve on the meat hook?

I'd like to think of it as a step to the side, rather than a step down.

I suppose I see where you're coming from tho

[brazen heron]

But the bash looks cooler and is much more logical,the meathook looks goofy as fuck for a DOOM game,small ass imps can carry the slayer's weight lmao,so there is that

[hollow sandal]

Facts

Imagine getting shield bashed by the slayer. Your insides would turn to mush

[brazen heron]

I don't know how much the platforming potential the bash has however

[tall escarp]

How do you log out of your bethesda account in dark ages??

[hollow sandal]

Maybe there's a setting on the Bethesda website to log out of all devices. Idk

[mental grotto]

Uh oh he’s back from his mute

[harsh egret]

LOL

[slate kestrel]

Did I just hear the bash is worse than a meat hook?

Bash has an aoe, allows for quicker traversal, and heals

[hard thistle]

For the love of davok, please tell me there’s already a long thread about the parry slow-mo

[harsh egret]

he likes to drop back to back shit takes in here

[hard thistle]

PLEASE make it an option to run off

[slate kestrel]

Hugo has said they’re looking into it

[slim crypt]

how does a person have such dogshit takes everytime it’s genuinely a talent

[brave leaf]

You've gotta be kidding me with these skins bruh

[delicate grotto]

They’re both very different mechanics. The only similarity is that they both can be used for quick traversal.
Meathook would make no sense in this game.
And a shield bash would make no sense in Eternal.

[wheat sigil]

movement wise? absolutely
the meathook is significantly better for movement, that does not however mean it should've been in this game

[hard thistle]

):

[brave leaf]

Why are 90% of them third party

[slim crypt]

i’m not talking to you

[slate kestrel]

Meathook honestly doesn’t seem like it should do lateral movement. Idk why they let you swing around the map like a chimpanzee

[brazen heron]

What the fuck is backshit bro

[fierce steeple]

Is the secret progression for siege part 1 glitched?

[hard thistle]

Because it’s cool as hell

[slim crypt]

reading is hard for you isn’t it?

[slate kestrel]

This is true.

[harsh egret]

reading comprehension 9000

[brave leaf]

What is backshit and how do I drop back to it

[hard thistle]

I do wish we had a single dash though
Genuinely one of the few things that I wish carried over from eternal

[brazen heron]

Not even Mayo glazed Eternal this hard,I am proud of myself

[delicate grotto]

Yeah I’m hoping there will be more customization added in an update.
Parry/Execution slow-mo toggle.
Weapon Wheel customization.
New sliders.

[brave leaf]

PLLEEASSSEE old weapon wheel

[wheat sigil]

singlde dash, or single dashing...

[hollow sandal]

Lol

[brazen heron]

I don't think saying Eternal is better a bad take,unless you can give an argument why TDA is better

[slim crypt]

do you not get bored doing this shit?

[harsh egret]

i really dont care what u have to say ngl, just stop writing

[slate kestrel]

Each game has their ups and downs

[hard thistle]

Either or
I get that this game’s style is totally different from eternal, and I respect that
The rapid double dashing and meathook isn’t really what I mean. Like a single quick dash every 15 seconds would be cool

[hollow sandal]

Hii, do you know if shield throw damages 'super heavies'?

[hard thistle]

Low chance of a short stun

[hollow sandal]

Hugo pleewaaase 😭

[mental grotto]

It was 1 comment, don't flatter yourself sweetheart ❤️

[brazen heron]

Did you actually use the goddamn hook?It can give you aemor as it sets monsters on fire,allow for an easy escape,allows for quicktravel between long distances,also it can sometimes literally break encounters and allows you to skip them(especially with totems)

[brazen heron]

Nah,I will write more,just to annoy you more

[hard thistle]

Holy cope ngl
They’re COMPLETELY different playstyles

[brazen heron]

I am doing the glazing before TDA even released dude

[slate kestrel]

I only have a couple hundred hours on eternal, never used the hook once

[brazen heron]

Ok

[wheat sigil]

nup, but you can do some really unreliable falters!

i love when my combos are dependent on luck and not skill

[hollow sandal]

Ok thank you

[slate kestrel]

Just spam throw while hitting weak points on super heavy

[hollow sandal]

Thank you

[harsh egret]

hugo stream in 3 hrs

[brazen heron]

Wait really?

[hollow sandal]

Ohhh shit bet

[slim crypt]

isn’t it on the 30th?

[hollow sandal]

Hugo pleewaaase 😭

[silver field]

campaign dlc isn't out yet, right?

[harsh egret]

nah last week they said they would do them on tuesdays this week and next week

[hollow sandal]

No, not yet

[harsh egret]

not sure why but yeah

[slate kestrel]

I thought Hugo was on vacation? Or is that later

[slim crypt]

no

[silver field]

ah, I see. thankss

[slate kestrel]

Bruh the game just came out how would there be dlc

[hard thistle]

6 months minimum

[slate kestrel]

Hopefully. Don’t want them to rush it

[hollow sandal]

I'm sure I'll get my weapon wheel too

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/copy-squidward-gif-14421011

[harsh egret]

i wonder when we'll know if its 2 dlcs or just one bigger one

since that leaked document from like 2023 mentioned 2 dlcs with similar release windows to eternal

[slate kestrel]

God I hope it’s 2. There’s so much more to explore between this game and the beginning of 2016

[harsh egret]

one big proper dlc would be sick as well

[slate kestrel]

Imagine a years wait and we get like a 10 level long dlc

[harsh egret]

i mean, it doesnt sound unrealistic

[hard thistle]

I wonder what they’ll dive into
Assuming the slayer ends up in the tomb at the end of it

[brazen heron]

I hope we don't end with an another TAG controversy(TAG1 was peak and got too much hate imo)

[hard thistle]

And we haven’t seen The Betrayer happen yet

[brazen heron]

I think there should be game in the argenta civil war then it leads to Slayer's testaments

[slate kestrel]

Yeah, I was expecting Valen to come up more, but his story went nowhere

[hollow sandal]

Yea

[hard thistle]

I could see the final arc being Valen, and subsequently it’s his fault the slayer was entombed

[harsh egret]

i like to think theres good reason to that

either saving smth for dlc or something else after, idk

[hard thistle]

Give us an ODST style game eventually 🗣️

[delicate grotto]

Idk how TDA ends yet, nearly there! But, I’d assume the DLC will explore some of his Hell escapades. I don’t think it’ll cover his entombment but maybe (hopefully) we’ll get some info on the Wretch and their ties with the Slayer.
My guess is that we’re going to witness the Unholy Crusade, where he and the Sentinels are trapped in Hell, but maybe that’s jumping too far ahead of the rest of the war.

[hollow sandal]

Cool You just joined here, hii

[hollow sandal]

I haven't beaten the game yet either 😭

[delicate grotto]

Yeah, game released during the busiest 2 weeks of my year lol

[hollow sandal]

I feel that 😭