the-dark-ages

[merry sapphire]

did kaiser update the mod to work with the new mod support

[graceful lion]

theres mod portal and OG

[merry sapphire]

actually is there any huge mod that fully utilizies the mod support

[merry sapphire]

so which one is better

[graceful lion]

i guess mod portal has some differences

for some reason the mod portal is twice the size as og

[silent surge]

longestsoloever’s song about this “no exit” is great

[hard thistle]

There's a mod that turns eternal into a roguelike

[silent surge]

a new one?

or like what’s it do

[hard thistle]

It's from a few months ago, it adds new abilities

hmmmp made a video on it

It's got custom geo and all that

[arctic pagoda]

So, apparently we got Cthulhu in the dark ages

I guess even Eldritch gods are no match for angry man with gun

[silk flower]

Just got a response from Steam, they said they’ll refund the purchase so I can get the premium.

[graceful lion]

again, its probably not cthulhu

i dont think doomguy has any god killing powers
"he kkilled davoth!!"
davoth was weakened, and was a primeval, not a god

people overrate doomguy a little too much

[fresh lintel]

nice! i knew they'd give it to ya

[arctic pagoda]

I see, all I know, is he's a big squib

🐙

[true merlin]

Yes

[arctic pagoda]

Yes

[graceful lion]

yeah its just a big squid, lovecraftian stuff

dont think its cthulhu of all things, just the doom version of it

[neon perch]

I wonder if there's still going to be power-ups in this. Will Berserk make a return given that GKs are more or less gone?

[arctic pagoda]

There's still powerups

A few videos shown things like haste and Quad Damage

[neon perch]

? You mean the weapon perks?

[graceful lion]

actual powerups, so no

[arctic pagoda]

No, temporary powerups

Seems like, instead of finding them, specific demons will have it, that drop it when killed

Though it does beg the question, on how they'll work given the difficulty sliders

[neon perch]

Where?

[stoic sleet]

Berserk got boring to use

Its fun at first but there arent enough unique kill animations for it

[arctic pagoda]

Seems most of the glory kills are scripted behind Shield moves

From what I saw anyways

[tender crown]

GUYS, QUAKE IS CANON IN DOOM

[fresh lintel]

oh shit.

[tender crown]

https://youtu.be/DVBI55DbNQI

No way the Slayer is more powerful than cuthulu itself

[graceful lion]

its not cthulhu bro

sorry to burst your bubble, but it most likely is not cthulhu

[tender crown]

Aw damn

[graceful lion]

not every lovecraftian monster who looks humanoid like blackbeard from pirates of the carribiean is cthulhu

[graceful lion]

again, as i said before, and m0no has also said, doomguy isnt really a god killer, he killed davoth when weak and davoth isnt even a god

if doomguy were to revive the father, which is the same strength/stronger than prime davoth, he would be bodied

[fresh lintel]

woah woah .. the dark lord isn't the father?.. i could have sworn i heard he was "the first being"

[slender onyx]

20 more days man

[true merlin]

I hope we get more trailers for each realm

[graceful lion]

the father was an AI, which was more powerful than davoth, but not the first being

davoth is presumably the first being, we dont know if theres a higher tier above him or not, thats what i got atleast

but he also is not a god, he is a primeval, which is a level under a god ig

immortal, very powerful, but not infinitely so

not the type of god that your usual religions pray to

[fresh lintel]

so like a tier between demi god and god?

[graceful lion]

well, primeval is merely a title by the looks of it

since doomguy became a primeval, becuase davoth had to find some sort of chosen one

[stoic sleet]

The amount of buzzwords there kinda annoys me

[hard thistle]

That Woman next to Azrek in trailer 2 is definitely the Khan Maykr

[graceful lion]

but being a primeval doesnt eally give you power

on its own i mean

[graceful lion]

the khan maykr didnt exist in trailer 2 iirc

[hard thistle]

She's not part of the Maykers.. yet

[graceful lion]

mightve been aprevious one, since the khan in eternal ahas been there for a while

[graceful lion]

maykrs start out as maykr drones

then blood maykrs, then khan maykrs, and all of those eventually fall into transfiguration/death

theres also the kreed maykr but god knows how thats made

[fresh lintel]

thing is in DOOM 2016 the slayer testiments said something about DOOMSlayer having the strength and speed that matches his will so like if he's the definition of "if there's a will there's a way"

[graceful lion]

the dark ages is billions of years before 2016 and eternal

[hard thistle]

I think she's the one they mention there being "a secret pact between Hell and the Maykers"

Probably asks the maykers to empower Slayer so he can end Azrek and she ascends

Just my theory

[neon perch]

Oh so that's the Cosmic Baron.

RIP classic Baron.

:(

[graceful lion]

well, davoth made the slayer a primeval from what i understand, and samur betrayed them (i think) by making a chosen one

[hard thistle]

The demon that tells Azrek that the slayer is the one demons fear and azreks control is not complete

[graceful lion]

@hard thistle is that correct or am i missing

[warm ibex]

Thank you for the ping btw, just now getting around to everything. been an interesting few days

[graceful lion]

ahzrak is kinda jealous of the slayer

[hollow sandal]

Bro's mad af 😂

[hard thistle]

Davoth manipulated events to set Doomguy up to become the Slayer. Whether Doomguy becoming the Slayer constitutes becoming a Primeval is up to interpretation.
Samur's act in creating the Slayer was indeed considered a betrayal, as he had essentially created the Malicious One the Khan was so scared of. She was able to turn it around and use the Slayer to her own ends for a bit, but Samur still fled Urdak after this anyway.

[hard thistle]

Looked like Samur was doing more of his own thing, not sure, but he does revive the slayer with that he'll expedition

Khan on the other hand, very sus, kinda like the woman next to Azrek in the trailer

[hard thistle]

Azrek?
That could be a huge opportunity for someone to betray him, classical trope, one of the best too

[graceful lion]

the khan maykr we know of isnt in tda right?

[stoic sleet]

What abt maykr angels

[hard thistle]

I don't know if she'll appear in TDA, but chronologically the Khan we fight in Doom Eternal is the same Khan serving during The Dark Ages.

[graceful lion]

oh, interesting

[fresh lintel]

ok i know that Death Battle is doing a rematch of DOOMSlayer vs Master Cheif so i pose a question for those who are in the know on both Halo and DOOM

what exactly wins?

the definition of Luck
or
The Definition of Will

like the slayer is the definition of "If there's a will there's a way" but master cheif has insane luck

[hard thistle]

A quick recap: Khans are supposed to only serve for 10,000 years before dying and being reborn. But the natural life/death cycle of the Maykrs was disrupted by the corrupted Transfiguration process during the Unholy Wars, so the Khan Maykr that happened to serve at that time stayed alive for far longer than she was supposed to. By the time Eternal happens she's been alive for, like, millions of years.

[hard thistle]

Oh yeah, i forgot about the Tara's nabad flashback - he does kinda betray them then

But i feel like that moment is a bit later, maybe when the khan mayker is in charge

[graceful lion]

OHH I FORGOTabout the cutscene

yeah that was in tda

[hard thistle]

One could argue the Khan living way past her natural life cycle could contribute to some of her actions and personality. That's up to you.

[graceful lion]

or, a few months before tda it seems

[fresh lintel]

i just realized my dumbass spell Master Chief wrong

[neon perch]

I mean so does Doomguy. Instead of losing he just went to hell after dying at the end of KDITD and clawed his way back out.

[fresh lintel]

that is true, by techinicality he's a dead man walking

[neon perch]

'Luck' is such abstract concept because every videogame character ever is lucky to survive everything.

[hard thistle]

Arguably years. It's unclear how long the Unholy Wars went on.

[graceful lion]

luck can only go so far

[hard thistle]

I can't post images here but I'm talking about the female assistant demon in trailer 2 - 45 secs in

[neon perch]

MC is just a dude.

[graceful lion]

yeah, doomguy is infused with the shard of a powerful being, presumably the firsdt being

and master chief as far as i understand is a super soldier

kinda like helldivers or something

[hard thistle]

Not to be a party pooper but I want to clarify that Doomguy didn't die at the end of Knee-Deep in the Dead; he entered the Gateway connecting Phobos and Deimos, and Deimos had already been absorbed into Hell at the time.

[graceful lion]

between helldivers and WH marines

[fresh lintel]

so basically unbreakable will beats Luck?

[graceful lion]

yeah doomguy is only functionally immortal, immortal by age

he can still die if he dies

there doesnt seem to be any sort of revival in the doom games, or atleast that i know of

[graceful lion]

doomguy is arguably probably stronger than MC in general

and whats luck gonna do, make doomguy have a heart attack orsomething?

[hard thistle]

I mean back in the classic games, where he was just a human. In those he just so happens not to die because he does a good job surviving.

[graceful lion]

yeah

[fresh lintel]

well then death battle have better gotten right lol other wise i suspect they'll have to deal with M0no lol

[hard thistle]

Like, Knee-Deep in the Dead's ending isn't depicting Doomguy actually dying or anything, it's just a storytelling thing to show you you're being teleported to a strange, unfamiliar, dark place with more demons ready to attack you. Being literal about it, IIRC the level ends when Doomguy reaches 20% health, rather than dying.

[graceful lion]

doomguy'd also be beaten by kratos, since he is most likely stronger than doomguy, but either way we cant really compare people from other universes

becuase of different things they killed and such

[fresh lintel]

well kratos literally can't die because "death can have me when he earns me" soo that's not exactly fair

[graceful lion]

well, he can die, and has died before a few times

in greece, he died and crawled back out of hell

[weary current]

whoever did the environment design on the cosmic realm needs a raise, there, i said it

[fresh lintel]

oh i know but he always seems to come back one way or another

[graceful lion]

yeah, theres also the theory of him being the god of death, but im not sure about that either, overstatement

he does also have 3 elemental weapons, which doomguy would most likely struggle with

as he only has, guns, and knives, and grenades

[tropic adder]

Wasnt Davoth the creator? Of the universe and all...? Theres a description in the codex that makes him seem like a wondefful entity... before he wss betrayed.

[fresh lintel]

that doesn't make sense cause he claims himself as the god of war so he's not the god of death lol

i do agree Doomguy would lose but it'd be a really good fight depending on animation quality and such

[graceful lion]

the first being, yes, but he was a primeval, and that is confirmed

immortal by age, not infinitely powerful

[graceful lion]

well he killed the god of death in his own realm, but idk doesnt make sense to me either

[fresh lintel]

look if i were given a title by trial of combat, i'd stick to one title that makes me sound the most powerful so if kratos IS the new god of death then he really needs to rethink his self proclaimed title lol

[graceful lion]

true true

i tihnk its like depends on which one you killed first ig

but i dont know how the god titling goes

seems the father is not a primeval, makes sense bevaus its an ai

" It should be noted that the Father is not a Primeval. The Book of Seraphs portrays him as a cosmic
omnipotent being, but The Ancient Gods is very insistent in the reveal that the Father was nothing more than a machine
AI, albeit one much, much more powerful than Davoth was."

"Primevals are exceptionally powerful beings approaching (but not completely attaining)
god-like status."

[fossil badger]

So..

it was really Cthulhu after all

[graceful lion]

not cthulhu

[fossil badger]

how its not?

[spark totem]

so..

[neon perch]

I mean the level ending with Doomguy below a certain HP level and surrounded by demons implies otherwise.

[spark totem]

apparently the name for the Dark Ages Crossbow is The Bioforce Crossbow.

[graceful lion]

so any being that looks like cthulhu is cthulhu?

[neon perch]

What if he went to Hell but instead just appeared on Deimos since it was part of it?

[hard thistle]

Davoth is only explicitly confirmed to have created the Father and the Maykr race. Beyond this:

• Jekkad is said to have been created by the Father in the Book of Seraphs, and TAG2 does not try to correct this to say Davoth created it.
• The Book of Seraphs claims the Father created the Earthly Realms, and provides the Luminarium as an explanation for how. TAG2 has people generally say that "all things came from Davoth," but it can be argued this is only meant in an indirect sense, as Davoth created the Father who then made the Earthly Realms.

[spark totem]

and if thats true. that makes me very very mildly frustrated.

because, they have a really big opportunity to make a reference to a 2,500 year old greek weapon.

which is a crossbow and whos name starts with g

[graceful lion]

doomguy is not strong enough to beat cthulhu, set in stone, as far as we know, doomguy has a shard of davoth which we do not know how strong it is, without the creation abilities, but cthulhu in myth would probably just dissect doomguy

[spark totem]

aka: The Big Fucking Gastraphetes 9000

[graceful lion]

could work for like a scientific name for it ig

[fossil badger]

this is not myth world

its doom , quake world

[graceful lion]

its lovecraftian

[fossil badger]

yeah, but it isnt THE lovecraft universe

[graceful lion]

it is not cthulhu bro, its just some sort of doom version which is likely alot weaker

[spark totem]

i mean there are even diagrams of the Gastraphetes to work off of.

[fossil badger]

its simply based on it, like Quake 1

[spark totem]

i wish i could show them but i dont have embed perms

[graceful lion]

yeah just based on it

[fossil badger]

yeah, its Doom Cthulhu

[graceful lion]

yes

[fossil badger]

yeah, thats it

lol

[hollow sandal]

Lol

[tropic adder]

Yeah but then it turns out The Father is not the creator, but took the mantle from Davoth, the first being? That's how I interpret it, at least. The Father and Samur killed Davoth and trapped his soul into the sphere. They made sure everyone forgot about him and consider Father as the true creator? And why would Davoth go batshit over Jekkad if he didn't create it?

[hard thistle]

The level ends when your health reaches 20% or lower.
Doomguy is canonically teleported to Deimos. This is why E1M8 and E2M1 are called "Phobos Anomaly" and "Deimos Anomaly." The UAC was doing teleportation experiments from one moon to the other - the Gateways continue to function despite Deimos' absorption into Hell.

[graceful lion]

the father took davoth's soul, didnt kill him

he specifically did not want him to die, he cared for him sort of like a son

[hard thistle]

You can make one argument for classic Doom, but under the modern Doom canon recontextualizing the OGs, it's most likely that Hell isn't even a real afterlife and that people don't just go there when they die anyway.

[tropic adder]

Yeah dat but that part really didnt matter. I was referring ot the other part of my post.

[graceful lion]

the father also requested from samur to take his orb

[spark totem]

that is ridiculously ironic considering the dynamic they actually have

[graceful lion]

yeah the father is an ai, but for some reason davoth made a being stronger than himself

(which was the father)

[tropic adder]

wait what?

[graceful lion]

yea

[spark totem]

my assumption was it was a C.L.U. Type situation.

if youve ever watched tron, youd understand that reference

[hard thistle]

This is correct. Davoth was the first being and created the Father. My point is moreso that this does not have to mean Davoth created Jekkad or the Earthly Realms. Interestingly, the things he was explicitly confirmed to have made were machines.
I believe it's just as likely Jekkad pre-dated Davoth and he was made within it, much like Adam in the Garden of Eden. Davoth went crazy over Jekkad because he loved his people and was anguished that they could not live forever like he could.

[true merlin]

Who’s ready for TDA now after that trailer

[graceful lion]

my pc aint 🔥

[silent surge]

so davoth isn’t really the big creator like he says?

[spark totem]

but for further clarification: I had assumed that Davoth was naturally stronger than the father. But because of the purpose in which the father was created for. Something davoth did ultimately was contradictory to what the father was initially created for and thus he couped him in a scenario where the Father would have had advantage.

[spark totem]

I mean.. why worry about the boundaries of strength and adversaries if you create something intended to serve/aid you?

[tropic adder]

Wasnt there a part where it said that where Davoth threaded life... grew? Or something like that. Not sure of the exact phrasing. But I remember that line specifically teared me up because that would mean that the maykrs, via betrayal, literally ruined an entity which gives life through it's presence.

[spark totem]

the only concern would be if something you yourself did, intentionally or unintentionally that said creation viewed as a contradiction to the system/plan you had in mind

[graceful lion]

it is presumed he is the first being, but he does one up himself by calling himself a god

well yeah he was the first, but he might have been placed there

[spark totem]

yeah.. i mean a DOOM Multiverse does exist.

[silent surge]

i feel like he could be a Lucifer character. if he isn’t, he could be
the maykrs have this mindset too.
“look we are good, definitely not evil beings who say we are good and righteous, but we actually aren’t”

[hard thistle]

I think he considers himself one, and there's still room to argue he did create the Earthly Realms. I personally just do not believe he did - I don't think it makes sense for Davoth to have ever been an omnipotent God capable of waving his hands to create entire universes. The Luminarium in TAG1 is a perfect explanation for how the Earthly Realms were made, and nothing in TAG2 contradicts it.

On top of this the question would be, if Davoth created Jekkad and also the Earthly Realms, why would he invade the Earthly Realms he himself created to bolster Jekkad? It doesn't really make sense. What would make sense is him invading the Earthly Realms after the Father created them, seeing them as a pointless creation that should just be grinded down and pasted onto his own world.

[spark totem]

which implies the existence of higher life-forms LIKE davoth

[graceful lion]

primevals, theres others but we only saw him

"Davoth, also known as Lucifer59, and by his titles the Dark Lord60 and the Nameless
One, is the original Dark Lord, the “first being,” the creator of the Father and the Maykrs, and the
true main antagonist of the Doom series. Note that Davoth is a Primeval, and presumably the only
true Primeval seen in the Doom series."

[silent surge]

i’d bet these new corrupted wraith cosmic realm things are huge

[graceful lion]

"59 The Codex file for the Super Shotgun in Doom Eternal refers to said weapon as “Lucifer’s Bane”"

[tropic adder]

59? Was he 59 millenia old?

[graceful lion]

no, just a thing in m0no's thing for info

[hard thistle]

He's pasting from my guide which has a footnote number right there.

[graceful lion]

yea that

[tropic adder]

Went DarkLord60 ten millenia later haha

[graceful lion]

darklord60 sounds like an xbox username

[tropic adder]

Nonono, I like it. Im using it now.

Im using it for good. Thank you both for this lovely gift.

[spark totem]

i just hope those snake demon thingies arent in dark ages to any capacity

[tropic adder]

Btw I've been on this server for around 4 years now... I think? and never spoke up until now. You guys are cool.

[spark totem]

ive only been here like 2 weeks

i came here cause i got stuck on horde mode

[scenic lichen]

Well gentlemen I got what I wanted

[hard thistle]

A running theme with modern Doom is this whole thing of big bad motherfuckers calling themselves Gods, or being called Gods by other people. The Slayer, the Khan Maykr, the Aranea Imperatrix, the Wraiths, the Father, and Davoth all have either been called Gods, or consider themselves Gods. The point is that it's bullshit and none of them are. All of them are either robots, monsters, or demigods who happened to set forth a chain of events.

[scenic lichen]

I love the cosmic baron, such a gnarly design

[spark totem]

also. fellas i need your advice on something

[hard thistle]

So Davoth is the "first being" but I do not feel he is meant to be considered "God" in the sense that he created everything.

[spark totem]

do you think DOOM 3 was an action/survival horror game?

[hard thistle]

I'd call it "action horror."

[merry lion]

Action horror

[spark totem]

im asking this here specifically cause i JUST got into an argument with a friend of mine about it

[tropic adder]

I don't see elements of "survival horror" tbf?

[merry lion]

The game gives you way too much ammo for it to be considered survival

BFG edition gives you even more

[hard thistle]

Doom 3's just another FPS action game like the other Doom games, it just focuses more on a horror atmosphere.

[spark totem]

im thinking Dead-Space style survival horror

[tropic adder]

Yeah and you dont have to manage stuff, like... You dont have to give up a shotgun for a machine gun cuz it wont fit your inventroly. Doom3Guy just wears it all on his person like a lil swiss army knife.

[tropic adder]

Dead Space has management too. And credits. Dont forget credits!
But its also actiony.

[radiant oriole]

What do you all think about the new Eldritch/Lovecraftian elements in Dark Ages?

[proud vine]

i don't really like the color scheme of the new realm ngl

[silent surge]

the villains do so out of. idk. it makes them sound… conceited? “look how great i am”
or they’re just deranged

idk if the slayer sees himself as one, but elena richardson sure does

[proud vine]

the rest is fine

[graceful lion]

yeah, she calls him a god becuase its just the closest thing she has, becuase she doesnt really know how strong one is or hasnt seen anything like him

[hard thistle]

I would imagine the Slayer doesn't care for it. I see it as evocative of the general sort of anti-authoritarian streak in the series. Gods are rulers and rulers tend to be corrupt. Doomguy rebels against Gods like the Father despite his benevolence and I'd argue it's simply because he dislikes them on principle.

[silent surge]

we haven’t really seen any good guys that play that role

it’s always bad. and the good guys have been vega/intern mainly

[graceful lion]

but isnt the father not a god?, just more powerful than davoth?

[radiant oriole]

All green and dark?

[proud vine]

yes

i like the purple portion that was shown tho

[radiant oriole]

I see.. Personally I'm very afraid of Doom starting to canibalize the other franchises like Quake or Hexen/Heretic to incorporate its elements only because they are ""DoomLike""

[tropic adder]

The color out of space <3_<3

[tropic adder]

I imagined Doomguy eating and devouring characters, maps and monsters from Quake Hexen/Heretic. Haha

[radiant oriole]

[frail bloom]

Saw a lot of new things today

The cosmic realm

I love the green, and the purple

We saw the komodo and caco, neat

And the Shamb- I mean cosmic baron

Listen, I love the look, outta the 3 barons in the nu games, it's my favorite

But(big but here), I don't understand why they don't just either make them new enemies, or make them variants

They promised the largest roster yet I think I'm starting to be skeptical it it's really all that large at all

[true merlin]

Bc they want to experiment with new ideas then remake stuff

[frail bloom]

Well they could expirement, and also respect the traditional designs

Because letting go of that is not easy

[hollow sandal]

What's Up with and Xbox owned studio doing an exclusive video for Playstation?

[true merlin]

They did with eternal bc that was more cartoony then serious

[frail bloom]

All I'm asking for are variants, that's it

Have that cosmic baron, and maybe a normal baron

[tropic adder]

Me tooooo looks like this dream I keep having. Lacks some yellow tho.

[true merlin]

Think cosmic is all we getting

[hollow sandal]

What's cosmic about this Baron? xd

[graceful lion]

its from the cosmic realm

[tropic adder]

literally called "cosmic baron"

[hollow sandal]

Oh duh xd

[true merlin]

At least he’ll be the only enemy without a variant

[frail bloom]

I love the cosmic baron look but tbh, I understand those who feel tho as if this game is shying too far from the og designs we all love and know. I don't understand, have variants, they have the resources, just make variants

[graceful lion]

and also cosmic just means occurring in, or coming from, the part of space that lies outside Earth and its atmosphere.

[hollow sandal]

Thanks for not roasting me lol

[graceful lion]

so its just, otherworldly

[frail bloom]

This game, which seemingly is after 64, only has 2 og demon designs, and they're both fodder

[true merlin]

So

[graceful lion]

it seems that the zombies we see in exultia are gonna be in the game, but it might be a placeholder

[true merlin]

Eternal gad every og demon design

[graceful lion]

the impaler weapon also seems to have a placeholder as the normal heavy rifle shot sfx

[true merlin]

Still weird there were two different versions of the impaler

[graceful lion]

well its not really two different versions

its more of a weapon mod kinda situation

[true merlin]

Right

Or skins

[hollow sandal]

Shredder seems to be the assault rifle of the game?

[harsh egret]

and the skullcrusher mod seems to be like a chaingun with the increasing firerate over time

from todays vid

[hollow sandal]

Yea, I agree

[frail bloom]

I'm a doom fan, I love it when they remake the old designs into a modern engine. I understand that the archvile couldn't work, but the classic baron is in the codex, just have a classic baron and the cosmic variation. That way we have real enemy variety and not the reskins I've been seeing. I have been very damn positive up until this point, I just want to know... how much enemies are we talking here, cuz I'm worried they blew their load early

[true merlin]

@frail bloom at the end of the day it’s just a game let the devs have fun make new designs it’s what they do best

[harsh egret]

i didnt follow on the entire discussion, how do we know theres no classic baron?

[frail bloom]

They didn't say, "only cosmic baron" but going off of what happened to the archvile, I'm worried they changed a bunch of og designs without having at least one, maybs two variants that do have them.

[true merlin]

Samir I’m saying we can’t have everything we want eternal was all of the og demons let this game experiment with designs

[harsh egret]

i dont understand the negative assumtions lmao

[frail bloom]

But all I was asking for was one guy to be back, it just sours my mood

[harsh egret]

or worries whatever u wanna call them

[frail bloom]

Idk do you think they'll have the cosmic variation and a classic one back in hell/the sentinel realm

[true merlin]

Maybe if they show us the realm of hell trailer

[harsh egret]

they showed the COSMIC baron in the COSMIC realm, and u instantly think that the HELL baron in HELL wont exist

[uneven mortar]

I like to think the big imps evolved into the archviles, and thats why theyre not here

[harsh egret]

exactly lmao xd

[frail bloom]

Alr alr. But you can understand where I'm coming from right?

[uneven mortar]

What's a cosmic baron? That sounds cool is there a picture

[harsh egret]

i srsly dont get the worries, why not wait and see and then complain after u finish the game after u saw everything

[frail bloom]

It's a cool lookin shambler

[true merlin]

But even if it doesn’t exist I’m still excited for new things they even stated “we don’t like making the same game twice”

[harsh egret]

i mean not really

im just being honest lol

[scenic lichen]

ngl i doubt it, i was expecting this whole time the baron of hell to show up in some way shape or form

i think expecting both a classic and a cosmic is a lil bit of a stretch

[frail bloom]

See but why

[silent surge]

id say there’s more to be shown. we’ve barely seen any

[true merlin]

Can we just enjoy the game and the new shit it brings

[uneven mortar]

OMG it looks so cool, it's that alien shit from 2016 i love

[harsh egret]

and not kidding id rather have some new design, rather than the multiple recycled designs they had from 2016 into eternal

[fossil badger]

Can someone repost the leaks?

[uneven mortar]

Barons of hell are totally back imo

[true merlin]

Exactly

[silent surge]

it’s from a new trailer

playstation youtube channel

[true merlin]

Hugo said they won’t make the same game twice that’s why dark ages is so different

[uneven mortar]

This game definitely seems like a fusion of doomy and quakey aesthetics which is really exciting

[harsh egret]

i still see no reason not to expect a hell baron tho xd, oh well

peoples worries dont affect me, but its weird for me to see

[frail bloom]

Dude I'm not asking for eternal 2, I'm asking for one singular enemy that was in the codex mind you

[silent surge]

i mean we get the cyberdemon early on

there will be new enemies to flesh out the end

[frail bloom]

Why is he called the cosmic baron anyway, what does baron mean again

[true merlin]

Ya that’s a codex image they could change it as they like

[silent surge]

if the powerful cyberdemon is early… just what monstrosities are to come?

[silent surge]

a baron is like a rank. a leader

[true merlin]

Plus that could’ve been a hell knight

[weary current]

I’m both ready and not ready lmao

[uneven mortar]

Whatever the case, I really hope they've upped the enemy variety what with these big armies. It's gonna be harder to make unique combat encounters if they havent

[silent surge]

we haven’t seen any agaddon hunter footage. creepy tentacley guy footage

[frail bloom]

Alr I'll hold out hope but I can't lie to my thoughts, if smt dissapoints me it does but everything else is awesome

[true merlin]

Probably a lot more we haven’t seen to

[harsh egret]

i see no point in being anxious and worried until the game comes out. when u play the game and u dont see a baron for like 10 levels maybe then u can start getting worried lmao

[silent surge]

guarantee it

wouldn’t surprise me if there’s no hell baron. but i wont say yes or no. i dont know

[harsh egret]

ive already been insanely surprised by what they showed so far, exceeded my expectations

[true merlin]

U think it will be better or bigger then eternals

Roster

[silent surge]

it’ll be more varied and outlandish. as big if not bigger due to how the scale of the game is being presented and how we visit these vast landscapes we’ve never seen before

[uneven mortar]

I really really like how they're going all guns blazing on giving this game its own aesthetic (like the cacodemon change) and if that means the baron got replaced i can understand that. If they say it didn't fit, I believe them.

[true merlin]

That’s what I’m saying no more copy and paste enemies more variety of those enemies or just new ones in general

[silent surge]

they’ll be unique and new to the series

tentacle guy, komodo, to name 2

[true merlin]

For sure

[frail bloom]

I'm also thinking about the poor dude who drew really sick classic designs reimagined into the style of the nu games, he's probably sad as well, I forgot his name but he's a cool artist

[silent surge]

emerson tung is the lead art guy

[harsh egret]

emerson tung my goat

[frail bloom]

No, he's in our discord

[silent surge]

colin geller has been there awhile too

[frail bloom]

Lemme see if I can find the pic, it'll take a while

[uneven mortar]

The doom games are kind of the only arena shooters with this massive budget rn, so thank god they're not just doing the same vibe every time. We get hexen doom :)

[true merlin]

Emerson a goat for desgins

[silent surge]

hexen doom would be sick

[uneven mortar]

Its called... the dark ages

[silent surge]

very curious to see

[true merlin]

Idk and idc if they changed certain enemies or such the dark ages will still be a peak doom game regardless of design changes

[radiant oriole]

Mods got you pal

[silent surge]

what’s the name of that art style, old urdak concept art had it. where all the eyes were watching, alive. everything was a living entity there. some art style

not lovecraftian

[true merlin]

Old heaven

[uneven mortar]

H.R Giger?

Like Alien and Scorn

[true merlin]

Maybe

[tropic adder]

Scorn is more giger x beksinski

[silent surge]

H R Giger yes

[radiant oriole]

Beksinski is more notable in the Hellish places, I think Giger is the one to go for Urdak

[silent surge]

“The architecture of Urdak was inspired by the works of artists such as Zdzislaw Beksinski, H.R Giger, Makoto Kobayashi, marble statues of the Renaissance era and gothic cathedrals.”

[tropic adder]

Monochromatic biomechanical landcapes, airbrush, surrealism

[harsh egret]

Biomechanical

ye

[silent surge]

aka creepy

[tropic adder]

I live for Giger... because he lives no more. 😦

[radiant oriole]

Urdakian

[uneven mortar]

I'd really love a level that fully commits to that Giger style

Now I've beaten classic Doom, I should probably play Quake before dark ages comes out. Or Doom II...

[tropic adder]

Uh no. Not "fully". Giger is overly sexual if you look at it. There's a reason it's used for Scorn environment.

[uneven mortar]

Thats peak

[radiant oriole]

Both are not very long games, try both

[silent surge]

i played hexen II before really seeing quake, so to me, quake feels like the copy

[uneven mortar]

Interesting

[uneven mortar]

Should I play Hexen 1 when I get there or skip straight to 2?

[tropic adder]

But some altered, more timid Giger is a good idea. I'd play that... With my eyes inside the monitor.

[silent surge]

both are different so it’s fine. but i prefer 1

1 - doom engine
2 - quake engine

i’m kind of a hexen fanboy… soooOooO

[uneven mortar]

Cool 😎

[radiant oriole]

Beyond Heretic

[uneven mortar]

Ohhh so the second one is 3D??

[silent surge]

heretic is beast too but i know more about/played hexen challenges more

[frail bloom]

#artwork message alr that took awhile, but look! It fits perfectly, nothing is out of place about it

[harsh egret]

also the new bfg u could say is inspired by the ethereal crossbow from hexen!

heretic i mean lol

[silent surge]

only thing it needs is a blinking eyeball like hexen’s cleric serpent staff

fighter is best tho

[radiant oriole]

Where can I see the new BFG? Now I'm curious

[silent surge]

trailer 2

[radiant oriole]

Thank u!

[uneven mortar]

Ahh I see, Heretic (2D) then Hexen (2D) then Hexen II (3D) interesting!

[radiant oriole]

Yep!

[uneven mortar]

I'll play Hexen, then Quake, then Hexen 2 maybe

[radiant oriole]

You're right, its pretty similar when it has the upgrade

[slender night]

They're all 3D, Hexen II onwards are polygonal 3D though. Check out Heretic II aswell

[radiant oriole]

Heretic 2?

[slender night]

Yeah

[silent surge]

heretic and hexen are “3d” in the sense doom is, though you can jump in hexen

[radiant oriole]

I just search it and I cant believe its real

[slender night]

It's real alright

Pretty neat too

[hard thistle]

The Father isn't objectively a God, but "God" is a subjective term. To humans he'd be a God just like the Slayer is to Elena Richardson.

[graceful lion]

ohi see

yeah thats what i thought

[true merlin]

End of the day doom is doom why can’t we all just enjoy it

[graceful lion]

we do enjoy it

[hard thistle]

If there's any entity in Doom so far that can be accurately referred to as a God, though, the Father's the closest thing to it. He exercised almost complete power in creating the Earthly Realms, and Urdak can basically go anywhere.

[mystic mason]

is dark ages out yet

[graceful lion]

no

[mystic mason]

okay thanks

[graceful lion]

around 3 weeks left

[true merlin]

Almost 2 weeks

[mystic mason]

thats pretty near

[uneven mortar]

I rlly hope they lock in and make a proper horde mode for dark ages

[true merlin]

They won’t

[graceful lion]

if they did, it would be a later update

[uneven mortar]

You sound confident

[true merlin]

But the man game pretty much is a horde mode

[graceful lion]

welllllll

not really

[slender night]

Quake has a proper horde mode at least

[radiant oriole]

I enjoy Doom and i don't doubt Dark Ages will be a blast of a game, I'm just worried it takes the chances of other franchises to return

[slender night]

The opposite happened recently, funnily enough. RAGE 2 feels like it just ate a DOOM game

[uneven mortar]

I feel like Doom Eternal had some really phenomenal post-launch support brought down by the focus on online, and now they're removing multiplayer I hope we see the full fruition of that.

[true merlin]

We will bc they are focusing on singleplayer

[graceful lion]

we kinda already are seeing a good effect of it

mech and dragon, 22 levels, god knows what else

[uneven mortar]

That's true

[true merlin]

More cosmetics

[graceful lion]

theyre also using rtx which is even more time saved, so they can spend it on other more important stuff like polishing the game

[radiant oriole]

Yeah, but Doom wasnt in a limbo of uncertainty when Rage 2 took elements of it

[uneven mortar]

God I hope they're done with that "you got stuff" DOOM-Bucks nonsense

[graceful lion]

what?

[harsh egret]

"you got things" instead

[graceful lion]

oh that

[true merlin]

Doom is a more polished franchise then any other triple a game

[graceful lion]

but i do also hope they might make RT disableable in the future, would be nice, but i dont think it would happen

[harsh egret]

rarely do i see games come close to the amount of polish their games have

[harsh egret]

cant happen

[true merlin]

That’s why I say ID software has mastered there craft while others fail

[graceful lion]

why "cant" tho?

[harsh egret]

most broken game u can imagine

[slender night]

There's definitely better developers than id

[uneven mortar]

It's definitely amongst the most polished. Major nintendo releases and the RE4 and Dead Space remakes come to mind.

[harsh egret]

and they arent gonna sit there and redo everything without RT

[graceful lion]

wdym mos broken we havent even seen it yet?

[harsh egret]

as an update lol

[slender night]

Modders will most likely do it

[graceful lion]

oh wiat that was smth else

[harsh egret]

pretty sure thats not doable either

[graceful lion]

some modder for Indiana jones is doing it, at first it was really bad performance but its gotten better

well specifically for IJ

[slender night]

Modders removed the VR from HL:A, I'm sure they can do something here even if it completely fucks the game

[true merlin]

Believe it or not that game runs on IDTECH 8

[slender night]

IJ runs on 7

[harsh egret]

not the exact same

some updated id tech 7 iirc

[slender night]

Closer to 7 than 8 though

[true merlin]

What does Indian joins run off of

[uneven mortar]

9

[graceful lion]

idtech 7

[slender night]

indian joins...

[harsh egret]

lmfao

[graceful lion]

we just said

[slender night]

It runs on Motor, a fork of id Tech 7

[true merlin]

Ya

[graceful lion]

ah

but if its somewaht disableable even if in a fucky way in 7, its probably doable in 8 too?

[true merlin]

Also u guys see the graphicly improvements from that trailer

[graceful lion]

yeah shit looks pretty asf

but its probably only gonna be like that for high end users

even then i dont tihnk its gonna look too much different for lower end

[true merlin]

Like on previews it looked ok but with the trailer they really polished it a lot

[uneven mortar]

Do yall think the DLC will be super hard like TAG1 or experimenral like TAG2?

[graceful lion]

its gonna be polished, unlike those two at release

[true merlin]

No idea I hope so

[slender night]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch

We might get slop!

[graceful lion]

oh yes id has delivered slop before

and it was the ancient gods dlc

[uneven mortar]

I feel like Hugo is too traumatised from TAG2s reception to let that happen again

[true merlin]

Tbf they were still good even if they were rushed

[graceful lion]

yeah and they reworked some bits aswell

[harsh egret]

slop is crazy

[merry lion]

TAG 1 was good

[graceful lion]

sarcasm

[harsh egret]

oke good lmao

[true merlin]

Ya after they released

[merry lion]

TAG 2...Ehhh

[fleet spruce]

I'm all for the TAG1 levels of difficulty

[uneven mortar]

They were awesome but TAG2 definitely felt like the developers were just playing around with fun ideas and hit "release DLC" by mistake

[true merlin]

Tbf they cooked with that one scene in the final a lot

[slender night]

The endgame ass scene was cheesy

[harsh egret]

to me its like did i have fun looking back when i played tag 1 and 2? yes, alot, so for me they were great

[harsh egret]

i can agree

[uneven mortar]

Yeah... the endgame thing makes me worried for TDA story

[radiant oriole]

Yeah, I think they are good DLC, but have some problems like some enemies that are not really difficult, just annoying

[true merlin]

But I thought it was cool asf

[frail bloom]

It's a prequel

[slender night]

It's kinda cool, definitely not super cool

[graceful lion]

its millions of years before either of those games

[slender night]

Like visually the demon side is great, it sets the tone well, but the Sentinel side looks like it's straight from Endgame, it feels like they made a generic epic showdown scene

[true merlin]

Maybe not millions though

[graceful lion]

its a few years after doomguy became slayer iirc

[uneven mortar]

I mean the tone

[graceful lion]

yes, millions

[harsh egret]

covid and crunch, combine the two and u get tag 1 and 2

[frail bloom]

Did you not watch the trailer

[slender night]

They did the crunch to themselves

[frail bloom]

Completely diff tone

[slender night]

Naming that DLC pack "year one pass" was the biggest mistake Eternal made

[harsh egret]

covid was a big part of it

[graceful lion]

like cmon guys people would forgive u if u said "sorry its delayed"

[uneven mortar]

Yeah, it seemed kiiiind of blockbustery to me idk

[true merlin]

Covid def affected the dlc a lot

[graceful lion]

u gave them peak, ur forgiven if u backtracked

[graceful lion]

so did constraining 2 dlcs to one year alone

[slender night]

Miyamoto quote goes here

[true merlin]

Ya

[uneven mortar]

Armored Baron, meat hook traversal and spirits were lowkey divine inspiration and I really hope they've informed TDA's design

[graceful lion]

if you make good food people do not mind waiting 2 days before they eat more of it

[frail bloom]

Does blockbuster=bad? It's blockbuster in visuals yet I literally have no idea how the story will go

[slender night]

I would not wait 2 days for food

[graceful lion]

well i mean if u were offered food in the middle

[harsh egret]

Lmfao

[slender night]

Sure then

[uneven mortar]

It seems a bit... human charactery, which I don't love for DOOM.

[frail bloom]

Then skip the cutscenes

[graceful lion]

doomguy was a human, after all

[slender night]

The "you control the buttons you press" stuff is honestly a terrible comeback

[harsh egret]

Me when games dont cater to literally everyone

[graceful lion]

woah really?, i thought my brain did that

[uneven mortar]

"You can skip cutscenes" is a shitty defense for bad story. You can fast forward an entire movie, that doesn't make it good

[harsh egret]

Bad story lmao

[frail bloom]

But where do yiu see that it has bad story

[slender night]

Guys this game is good if you specifically go out of your way to avoid chunks of it!

[harsh egret]

Have u played the game

Or what

[uneven mortar]

I don't, I'm just saying I hope it doesn't

And you're getting defensive

[graceful lion]

it seems like tda is gonna have good parts of 2016 and eternal and more

[tropic adder]

aaaa dont speka of the "bad story", I just had one meltdown I dont need another one. I'll hide under the desk... with a pink umbrella.

[graceful lion]

2016's good story, and eternal's good combat

[scenic lichen]

FACTS

[uneven mortar]

Yeah

[harsh egret]

The skip button is not a way to avoid a bad story. And u also gotta realise the game isnt tryina please everyone

[true merlin]

It’s a game trying to continue to evolve with its narrative and enemies

[uneven mortar]

I'm really hoping they don't get the idea that people want DOOM to be Halo. Space opera is a good setting for this series, but a terrible guiding star.

[slender night]

I'm just hoping it handles the Slayer stuff well. From what we've seen so far it makes him a 100x more tolerable character

[frail bloom]

Yu got that from the hugo vid on innovation right

[uneven mortar]

No

[graceful lion]

yeah he finally has a human part in him, holy shit!

[frail bloom]

Oh that's where I heard it from

[uneven mortar]

I didn't but if you could link it id be interested

[slender night]

I like that he doesn't have a human part anymore

[frail bloom]

Sometime later today

[radiant oriole]

2016 doesnt have a very compelling plot, the gameplay Is its main atractive, but I think some seem it like otherwhise because Eternal exist.

[slender night]

Brainwashing him into doing what he does is a significantly better narrative than "this victim character is suddenly badass out of nowhere"

[graceful lion]

true

[uneven mortar]

I mean he was a huge badass in classic doom

[slender night]

He did cool stuff, yes, but he was a survivor, especially in the first game

[frail bloom]

Well he breaks control as you can see in trailer two so it depends on how they handle him afterwards

[uneven mortar]

He just got more powerful. 2016 characterized him very well as having a very human distaste for authority.

[slender night]

The second game and 64 he is objectively badass but not to the extent the Slayer is. He's still scared, he just pushes forward. The Slayer has no fear; that's not a good story

[uneven mortar]

I kind of like the slayer being a force of nature like Michael Myers, but still with a human element

[radiant oriole]

Very consistent with his character

[tropic adder]

If it ends up being a cheap b-rated Van Damme action flick "here's the new girl and now kiss"... its gonna be the best game, as we probably get to see his "human side" ... which somehow went under the radar in the new games. (Yes, it's my titular paranoia now).

[slender night]

He got more powerful but from game to game he suddenly shifts his character entirely

[uneven mortar]

I hope they don't keep taking off his helmet

[frail bloom]

And I thought I was paranoid, mf's think it's gonna have a romance plot

[graceful lion]

its not gonna be a love thing

[slender night]

64 had him literally traumatized, in 2016 he opens up grabbing a demon by the face without fear. That's character evolution that NEEDS explanation

[graceful lion]

it shouldnt, have a love thing

[uneven mortar]

I guess so yeag

[graceful lion]

its a doom game, doomguy supposed to be a lonely little goober becuase of his dangers and ties with people and shit, he probably keeps himself in solitary to some degree to protect the people around him

[uneven mortar]

I really hated how they showed his face in eternal. It ruined the whole "force of nature" thing 2016 had going on, and his speaking was even worse.

[slender night]

I don't mind them showing his face, I do mind how fucking hideous he is though

[plain iron]

Ptsd :] you are always scared.

[slender night]

I don't think characters need to be attractive but in Quake Champions he had the smexiest most accurate to classic face and they throw it away for an alien looking design

[graceful lion]

well atleast they have accurate beauty standards where everyone isnt a hollywood superstar in looks

[frail bloom]

When do you expect them to show his face? Never? I understand the speaking thing tho

[merry lion]

I don’t like how they removed the first person perspective in cutscenes at all times in Eternal (I can understand why because of skins)

[silent surge]

i highly, highly doubt they’re giving slayer a love interest

[uneven mortar]

Lowkey yeah, never. That would have worked for me.

[graceful lion]

thats not the kinda game Id devs would want to play, which is kinda their motto

[radiant oriole]

Thats more of Doom 1 and 2 thing when he got traumaticed, In 64 he was more like the Doomguy/Slayer we know when he finishes the MotherDemon (and a bit of Q3 Arena if you want to consider that)

[graceful lion]

"we make games that we would want to play"

thomas go to fucking sleep its like 3 am

[frail bloom]

Well would you be fine with it if it didn't look like thr ice age baby

[plain iron]

I like to think that Thira is Valen's wife. Or she's a lesbian.

[slender night]

Q3A most likely isn't canon, and in 64 he was at his worst in terms of fear, he just came to terms at the end of it which is NOT equal to immediately charging in and attacking without a worry in the world

Again, this is a huge character leap, you're changing his entire purpose, and the explanation we get is none

[tropic adder]

... This is therapeutical.

[slender night]

TDA is giving us a reason and it's great

[gilded lake]

tell that to whoever modelled thira </3

[graceful lion]

not sure if she looks old enough for that, im not saying shes a minor, but i dont know

[uneven mortar]

Honestly still no, I don't think there was any face that would have avoided taking the wind out of Slayer's sails like that. Except another helmet. Or revealing that he's a woman.

[graceful lion]

she is the daughter of a king, and she probably also fights at some point

becuase we see her have scars in one scene, and none in the other, adn thats probably not a coincidence

[frail bloom]

Wouldn't that enhance the previous games story too, cuz it answered questions

[plain iron]

She looks looks late 20s early 30s wdym

[radiant oriole]

Quake 3 Crash confirmed

[graceful lion]

well valen looks a fair bit older

is what im saying

[slender night]

It does enhance them yes but as it stands right now I am not a fan of the Slayer evolution

[frail bloom]

Uh his concept art looked really good. Agree to disagree

[plain iron]

And 💀 + in TDA he looks younger

[uneven mortar]

He looks kind of cute in TDA

[plain iron]

Real

[graceful lion]

yes, younger, but ifeel like 40s is his age by then

[plain iron]

Late 30s at most imo

Jesus shit I've never defended a straight ship this hard

[radiant oriole]

The Sentinels have normal live-spans or extended?

[plain iron]

We don't know, it's really weird

[uneven mortar]

I would have liked the slayer being a girl... now hes ice age baby

[radiant oriole]

Until we know, Valen could be 40 or 400

[sleek ermine]

https://youtu.be/DVBI55DbNQI?si=A0aFQoQEu_qQIwn7 wow

[plain iron]

Thira might just have a godly skin routine 💀

[sleek ermine]

Thomas have you seen this?

[plain iron]

Mhm

[weary current]

this is gonna be peak

[plain iron]

We got 1 new, very small Ahzrak shot so it's great

[tropic adder]

She looks early-to-mid 30s, and Valen is A LOT younger than what we're used to. So it fits.
I do agree her design is awesome. I'd like it more if she was a redhead tho, simply cuz preference.

[plain iron]

I love my wife....

[formal root]

the shambler is back

https://tenor.com/view/sonfys-nervios-gif-8896313124420390361

[weary current]

did that thing traumatize a lot of people during gameplay

i never played quake so i wouldn't know

[tropic adder]

Dimensional Shambler? Back? It ever left? I see it every time I close my eyes.

[formal root]

shamblers are quite the mfs

bullet sponges

hard hitting lighting attacks

[slender night]

They're not too bad

[weary current]

oh boy.

[uneven mortar]

Not to be insane but the inflection in Hugo's voice when he says "COSMIC Baron" implies Hell Barons are still in the game

[formal root]

Anome, let me whine about the eldritch yeti please

[frail bloom]

Ye i don't remember having a bad time fighting them, but I used saves

[slender night]

I am the eldritch yeti lawyer

[weary current]

i don't think that sounds like you're being insane lol, i noticed it too, there's a lot they haven't shown us that they'd rather wait for us to see

[plain iron]

Every time I hear Hugo say cacodemon, I think I lose a year off my life

[frail bloom]

Lemme have some of that hope🙏

[formal root]

YOUR CLIENT HAS MANY CASES OF ATTEMPTED MANSLAUGHTER

[plain iron]

Cacademon.... what the fuck Hugo...

[slender night]

How do you attempt manslaughter...

[tropic adder]

Cacaodemon

[formal root]

BY TRYING TO KILL THE PERSON

[slender night]

But... manslaughter is killing someone on accident

[formal root]

…

[radiant oriole]

For what I seen until know, the deal of with she "Baron Shambler" is more about concerns about the posible fate of Quake than the difficulty of the enemy itself

[formal root]

ATTEMPTED MURDER

YOUR CLIENT IS A HAIRY VIOLENT MURDERER

[slender night]

Your honor my opponent cannot just change accusations on a whim, he clearly has no idea what he is talking about

[plain iron]

I refuse Hugo, it's pronounced as Ca-Co not fuckin Ca-ka

[formal root]

HE SHOOTS LIGHTNING

[slender night]

He's based

[weary current]

[frail bloom]

The poop demon

[silent surge]

it could also be he’s wanting to emphasize the word/realm, to show it’s a brand new place, since that’s the trailers focus. draw your attention to a new! type of baron

[hard thistle]

I'm pretty sure Joe Rogan said the exact same thing when Hugo went on his podcast

[slender night]

If he's trying to draw attention in the modern world he needs to pull up a phone with Subway Surfers or soap cutting videos

[plain iron]

I don't like Hugo's voice mainly cuz how he pronounces cacodemon

[formal root]

heard many people pronounce it as cacao demon

[weary current]

we're gonna beat the crap out of a bunch of different barons probs

[frail bloom]

May I have some of that hope good sir🙏

[plain iron]

Choco demon...

[frail bloom]

Blasphemy! heresy!smt else with a y

[uneven mortar]

That could be true

[plain iron]

Treachery

[formal root]

I mean, the eldritch ones are said to be hybrids

[frail bloom]

Thank you

[plain iron]

Man I'm so good at words

[formal root]

so we might see normal barons in hell

since thats where they come from

[plain iron]

I say as I am unable to speak on the phone

[uneven mortar]

Ough... thinking about the potential for late game levels that fuse the hell and cosmic realm aesthetics and mechanics together...

[frail bloom]

I'm still standing

[hard thistle]

These guys even have the green parry projectiles

[slender night]

I hope we get an atmospheric final level. Wolfenstein TNO nailed that for me

[frail bloom]

Btw is abyssal keep only a mech level or do we fight in hell as the slayer

[frail bloom]

Ye final sin was goofy, Argent D'nur was pretty good tho

[uneven mortar]

Holy fuckkk what if we fight cthulhu in the mech

I was thinking about it being an icon of sin deal but its totally gonna be a mech fight right

[arctic pagoda]

For the sake of the argument let's just all collectively agree it's Cthulhu until proven otherwise

[frail bloom]

Wait so we know the final boss😭

No no way

[uneven mortar]

Prob not

[tropic adder]

D: But okay.

[uneven mortar]

Its probably not the final boss, just the boss of the cosmic areas (likely midgame)

[arctic pagoda]

Nah, it'll probably be big red gimp or fat makyr

[frail bloom]

I'm just saying I don't want another icon of sin situation

[uneven mortar]

Yea

They surely wouldn't do that twice

[formal root]

naaah

[arctic pagoda]

What was wrong with the icon of sin?

[uneven mortar]

They spoiled it pre release

[silent surge]

i was thinking cosmic would be end

[formal root]

yeaaah

[arctic pagoda]

In the dark ages show case, they did show other worlds that we haven't seen yet

[uneven mortar]

I think they'll go hell, cosmic, ??? (A mix of the two most likely)

[tropic adder]

Tho... if it really IS Cthulhu, we'll never see the end of the "versus" videos. :/
And as a Lovecraft fan... I might start a cult just to prove them wrong.

[uneven mortar]

It could be earth, hell, cosmic i suppose

Whatever the case I hope we see a mixture, even in the DLC

[arctic pagoda]

What was that big titan in 2016 doom, at the end?

[frail bloom]

The skeleton?

[arctic pagoda]

Ye

[frail bloom]

A normal titan

[arctic pagoda]

Oh

[frail bloom]

The champion titan you're thinking about is larger

And does not appear in this game

[arctic pagoda]

Aw

[uneven mortar]

I thought it was an easter egg ver of the icon of sin

[frail bloom]

No at the beginning of titans realm

[arctic pagoda]

I was gonna say, maybe we fight hells champion which ties into 2016

[frail bloom]

Nope

[arctic pagoda]

Aw

[frail bloom]

Way later on

[hard thistle]

I'm not gonna assume they're just stealing shit from the actual Lovecraft mythos instead of making their own stuff. I'm gonna assume it's a hybrid between a Titan and an eldritch monster.

[arctic pagoda]

Probably

[hard thistle]

That seems to be the running theme, that some of the enemies in this game are hybrids of demons and Cosmic creatures.

[tropic adder]

In the trailer it has some mechanical implants. And with that new PS5 video, I'm thinking prince Asscrack is a controling little bitch... If you get my meaning.

[arctic pagoda]

No

[hard thistle]

Yeah I'd imagine he's controlling it or commanding it somehow.

[arctic pagoda]

I see what you mean now

[tropic adder]

I can't wait to kill him. 😄
Then reload and kill him again while reciting "Helsreach".

[uneven mortar]

The guy with the gorilla arms is such a weird monster. Is it a miniboss or does it fill in a specific combat role? Same with the spider

I guess theyre field bosses

[arctic pagoda]

The spider is a hell hunter from eternal, just smaller

[formal root]

thats gonna be for doom the dark ages 3

davoth strikes!

[arctic pagoda]

Doom hunter

[frail bloom]

I just want to fight that shambler lol

[arctic pagoda]

Whatever they're called

[frail bloom]

Aggadon hunter

[formal root]

aggadon hunter

[uneven mortar]

Davoth sucked so bad .

[arctic pagoda]

Yea, him

He did

[uneven mortar]

I hope they never pull a davoth again

[frail bloom]

That's how it's spelled

Ye

[arctic pagoda]

Either Aggadon or Abbadon

[formal root]

aggadon

[uneven mortar]

If davoth weren't literally the final boss of the final DLC he could have ruined the game

[tropic adder]

I liked the idea of Davoth. The codex entries.
I ... didn't really like the encounter.

[arctic pagoda]

Everything about TAG 2 felt flat

[frail bloom]

I like bullying him, that's it

[formal root]

The dragon idea being scrapped hurt

[arctic pagoda]

The hammer, the layout, davoth

[formal root]

we could literally had maledict

[uneven mortar]

I loved the armored barons and outdoor encounters with meat hook points

[arctic pagoda]

The whole avengers endgame thing

[solemn wyvern]

Can we haz davoth in classic doom?

[arctic pagoda]

Those were cool, and the levels too

I just didn't like how it forced you to use specific weapons for one enemy

[solemn wyvern]

Oh no I'm out of plasma ammo

Guess I'm fucked

[merry lion]

just pray and hope for the spirit to despawn

[tropic adder]

Hahahah yeah I had Gears of War vibe... But in all honesty, that battle of Immora scenery is SO over the top that I couldnt take it seriously and considered it awesome.

[uneven mortar]

Hmm I kinda liked that, but the stone imps felt kinda poorly implemented. Microwaving the spirits was super scary which I liked

[arctic pagoda]

But mainly the hammer, we went from having a lightsaber to a glowing rock

[formal root]

“bustin make me feel good!”

[frail bloom]

The stone imps were fun to look at tho, they're spinning is funny

[uneven mortar]

The crucible was lame and the hammer was lame because it was OP. No more glowy red weapons please

[arctic pagoda]

The hammer was op?

[hard thistle]

The hammer was way better than the Crucible. The Crucible sucked.

[wheat sigil]

best super weapon easily

[arctic pagoda]

Not for me

[wheat sigil]

destroyed the combat

[formal root]

now lets have glowy green weapons

[solemn wyvern]

There's combat?

[hollow sandal]

Yea I'm not a big fan of tag 2

[arctic pagoda]

Unless y'all are messing with me

[graceful lion]

fuck yeah

[uneven mortar]

Yeah, freeze + burn + hammer and you get ALLLLL ur shit back and stagger everyone, even deals with marauders

[hollow sandal]

Hammer is sick tho of course

[frail bloom]

Also I think the bfg in this game won't be handed to you, you got to find it. Another thing interesting, you actually have to aim it, and it unequips your shield. Seems they've balanced the bfg this time

[graceful lion]

instakilled fodder, dealt 800 damage to everything else, made everything else incapacitated

its the ultimate panic button

[arctic pagoda]

Bfg is just green Ballista now

[uneven mortar]

Hammer was cool in concept but way too strong to be a good mechanic. Should have been way harder to get charges for

[frail bloom]

I know but bfc hasen't caught on yet

Bioforce crossbow

[formal root]

its called the bio-force crossbow

[wheat sigil]

should've been reworked fundamentally

[formal root]

or the BFC

[solemn wyvern]

Big fucking crossbow

[arctic pagoda]

Big ||redacted|| crossbow

[uneven mortar]

Looks like you can block the Mancubus' "get off me!" blast which is huge

[arctic pagoda]

I always found that funny in 2016 with the bfg dossier

[frail bloom]

One misclick and it's all your health gone

[arctic pagoda]

You guys ever saw that video of someone playing the demo with all the difficulty sliders maxed?

[solemn wyvern]

Try hard

[frail bloom]

Ye he died to a cyberdemon

[uneven mortar]

Also they showed the Cosmic Baron shambling through the same level you later fight a cyberdemon in, so there's definitely crossover

[arctic pagoda]

Yea

[tribal lagoon]

I also doubt it’ll be the BFG. The BFG is a UAC invention. Unless Doomguy knew how to make one I’m betting we’ll be getting a completely new weapon as our BFG equivalent

[frail bloom]

No I know it's the bfc, Bfg is a colliqual term

However it's spelled

[gritty prairie]

update on this: they do send keys so good way to save some money

[tribal lagoon]

Wait the super weapons been revealed already? It’s a crossbow?

[frail bloom]

Ye

[tribal lagoon]

That’s pretty cool actually

[arctic pagoda]

Super shotgun, Bfc, the bonk blaster

[oak temple]

It'll be this games version of the BFG

[arctic pagoda]

Yea

[oak temple]

BFC

[frail bloom]

Hopefully we fight both at the same time

[arctic pagoda]

Shout-out to the Gatling gun the size of a three story building

[uneven mortar]

I miss having higher difficulties spawn more demons. It would be perfect to bring back in TDA

[oak temple]

Yeah you also see Imps as well in the realm

[arctic pagoda]

Gotta air drop that in

[frail bloom]

The trailers are doing this weird thing where they show the player absolutely mowing down one demon but I suspect we're gonna fight a lot of superheavies at once

Like 4 max

[arctic pagoda]

Yea most definitely

[frail bloom]

Maybe 5*

[arctic pagoda]

2 additional super heavies per difficulty

[uneven mortar]

Classic doom usually introduced a new demon in its own room, maybe theyre returning to that?

[arctic pagoda]

Maybe

[frail bloom]

They kinda all did. 2016 and eternal had their barons by themselves with fodder, classics had two of them and some spectres if you played on UV

[uneven mortar]

That's true

[silent surge]

if they’re calling attention to a new enemy type, having them by themselves is best

[frail bloom]

Ye and that

[prime sentinel]

The cosmic baron is super cool, definitely not a classic baron lol

Very quake like

[oak temple]

Everything they show off makes me more excited

[delicate grotto]

Do we have pictures of it?

[frail bloom]

They emphasized that it's cosmic, word around the hope block is that we get two variants

[uneven mortar]

I hope that's just the tip of the cosmic iceberg, I need more

[frail bloom]

But I like the shambler lookin dude for sure

[prime sentinel]

I think you’re just being hopeful

Word around what block lol

[frail bloom]

Some others share the same feeling

Ask Allstin

[uneven mortar]

I think so

[silent surge]

there will be more, it’s a whole section of the game, so we will have maybe even old too

[delicate grotto]

Ah there’s a video on a new realm. Interesting. Gotta go watch it.

[prime sentinel]

We’ll see tho, the barons in eternal also had a different name but didn’t have a variant

So I think it’s maybe a stretch to assume they have a variant just because their name is different

[silent surge]

i don’t know if yes or no, but wouldn’t surprise me if not

[frail bloom]

Tbf they shared the exact shape, just different sorta skin

[tranquil bluff]

fireborn barons

[prime sentinel]

I thought this was about the name theory?

[frail bloom]

Ye I'l just hold hope to myself then, don't get me wrong that cosmic dude lives up to his name

(But pwease ID)

[uneven mortar]

I hope the barons with lava inside return

[frail bloom]

No

[uneven mortar]

I love those guys

[frail bloom]

Me too

[reef ocean]

Cacos come from cosmic realm right? I'm curious if hell ends up corrupting chaos realm and the caco from cosmic realm becomes the caco we all know and love?

[prime sentinel]

Idk why they would hide a more normal baron design, to me, the fact we haven’t seen it yet, probably means it isn’t there

[frail bloom]

I have more reasons than' "I love him"

[prime sentinel]

Like there is no reason to not show it off yet lol

Especially since now they’re focusing on new demons

[tranquil bluff]

powerful cosmic monster slowly becomes dumb tomato

[frail bloom]

Uh oh, hope depleting

Rapidly

[uneven mortar]

Hmm well maybe. Classic cacos were in classic doom though. And thats earlier than TDA (which is funny to think about considering this is medieval themed)

[prime sentinel]

How come we’ve seen the cyberdemon but not a classic baron if it’s there?

🤷 maybe it’s there but to me it just doesn’t make sense we have seen 0 sign of it being there

[frail bloom]

That's why it's called hope

[uneven mortar]

Cutting out barons of hell would be brutal... at least caco keeps the name

[frail bloom]

Just lemme dreeeaaamm

[arctic pagoda]

I like how they've got more or less medieval vibes to them

[frail bloom]

They already cut the archie

[delicate grotto]

Oh wow, lots of new stuff in this new clip. That Baron looks wild. Incorporating different realms is a cool idea. I like that TAG hinted at different universes and gods existing before this reveal. Helps justify its existence a bit better.

[prime sentinel]

Barons are still there, they’re just cosmic now

[uneven mortar]

True

[reef ocean]

I thought classic doom and nudoom were just separate multiverses? Like doomguy at the end of 64 getting teleported to a alternate earth/universe.

[uneven mortar]

I guess they will look fitting in the redesigned lineup of demons in the end

[reef ocean]

well its sentinel prime

[harsh heron]

I'm not hallucinating, right? that was Cthulhu in Doom, right?

[reef ocean]

but you get what i mean

[prime sentinel]

I think the idea is that demons change depending on the dimension they are in

[uneven mortar]

I have no idea abt that, I thought doomguy just got warped into magic world at the end of the classic games

[reef ocean]

makes sense, but the cyberdemon looked the same when there was a quick gameplay snipping of a cyberdemon in cosmic realm.

[frail bloom]

My boi😭 #screenshots message
I'll always fight you in classic doom at least

[uneven mortar]

Cyberdemon having wings is weird but I'll probably like it in the end

[prime sentinel]

No I mean like the reason each game has different demon designs

[delicate grotto]

Yes.
In fact, it was just revealed an entire realm themed around Lovecraftian horror is in TDA.

[graceful lion]

doom's version of cthulhu, not the actual one

like the icon would probably kill that dude

[reef ocean]

dthulhu

[graceful lion]

doomthulhu

[prime sentinel]

I guess the demons evolved to be used for war

[frail bloom]

They have wings but cannot fly, which means their bound to the ground as these fallen creatures

[prime sentinel]

Medieval warfare

[arctic pagoda]

My favorite gun is the Reaver Chainshot

But I call it the bonk blaster

[prime sentinel]

I want to see the grenade launcher

Is it gonna work like quake where you can bounce it around corners?

Because I love that shit

[arctic pagoda]

I think so

[frail bloom]

Ohhhh I wanna hear the clunk sound it makes when it hits the floor

[prime sentinel]

That would be really cool

[frail bloom]

Then boom!

[arctic pagoda]

So far we've seen the plasma rifle, the super shotgun, the pulverizer, and the Atlan chaingun

[reef ocean]

bonk blaster is a great name

[prime sentinel]

This game keeps getting more exciting to me

[arctic pagoda]

And I guess BFC

[frail bloom]

Way more than that

[arctic pagoda]

What am I missing?

[prime sentinel]

Yeah we’ve seen nearly every weapon in the game at this point

[reef ocean]

I bought the pre-order because I want to play this 2 days early.

[arctic pagoda]

Aside from the 4 Melee

[reef ocean]

If you have premium, the future DLCs are free, right?

[prime sentinel]

We’ve seen the RL and the grenade launcher in a clip, but we don’t get a good idea of how they work

[frail bloom]

Normal shotgun, rocket launcher, grenade launcher, impaler

[arctic pagoda]

Yea

[reef ocean]

based

[arctic pagoda]

Right

[prime sentinel]

Rail spike

[frail bloom]

And the atlan shotgun, which looks like a REKKR gun

[arctic pagoda]

I don't know if I saw the grenade launcher

Or that

[frail bloom]

We didn't

[frail bloom]

We did

[arctic pagoda]

Oh

[prime sentinel]

The rail spike is the gun that shoots rail spikes

[frail bloom]

Trailer two

REKKR looking gun

[oak temple]

I think its just a rocket launcher with a mod that makes it like an exploding shotgun

[arctic pagoda]

I'll have to see it again

[reef ocean]

would be funny if you get the plasma/quake 1 looking nail gun in cosmic realm.

[prime sentinel]

Accelerator

[prime sentinel]

I don’t think there are mods. Each gun slot has 2 guns and each gun has upgrades

I think this is how it works anyway

From what I understand

So I’m wondering what’s the other gun in the reaver chainshot slot?

We saw another cosmic seeming weapon in a trailer or something a while ago didn’t we? Or was that the chainshot

[oak temple]

Yeah there are 2 guns in each slot apart from the Reaver and BFG/BFC

[prime sentinel]

Oh okay there aren’t 2 guns in that slot then?

[oak temple]

Not for the Reaver

[prime sentinel]

Is that confirmed? Or have we just not seen it

[oak temple]

Yeah it was confirmed to the players at the press playthrough

[prime sentinel]

Interesting because I thought they had not divulged info on the BFG

[oak temple]

A few of them said they were told the Reaver doesn't have a second variant

[prime sentinel]

I would be okay with only getting 1 super weapon, but it would seem like a step down from Eternal which basically had 3

[arctic pagoda]

I don't know how I missed 3 guns after seeing trailer 2, ,4 times

[zealous shard]

omfg

[prime sentinel]

There’s a lot going on

[zealous shard]

they really added lovecrafts realm??? his old gods dimension????

[arctic pagoda]

Yea, big daddy Cthulhu

[zealous shard]

im watching this atm: Doom: The Dark Ages - Official Cosmic Realm Reveal Trailer

[hard thistle]

Nobody asked me but I'm posting it here anyway just to have it in text: Looking back over the Sentinel history Codex files from Eternal it indeed implies the Unholy Wars took place across several years. The timespan here suggests that the war, pre-Slayer, had only gone on long enough for Doomguy and the Night Sentinels to go into Hell and come back 3 times; after that, he became the Slayer, and according to a file:

**For years **he marched with the Night Sentinels through the fires of the demon lands, and every return to our homeworld found much changed in Argent D'Nur.
Furthermore, the Civil War that ravaged Argent D'Nur after the Slayer and his buddies found Nekravol also went on for several years:
For years the Civil War raged and took its toll on the soldiers as their armor laid stained with the blood of their brothers on a cursed battlefield.

So it's gonna be interesting to see how TDA handles this timespan.

[frail bloom]

Timeskips maybe

We don't need to know everything

[hard thistle]

No lol. "Lovecraftian" is a general term to refer to horror inspired by Lovecraft's writing. It's not literally a Lovecraft crossover.

[prime sentinel]

Could also only take place during a certain part of the war

And not span the entirety of it

[frail bloom]

Guys, there is a agaddon hunter in the cosmic realm concept art

Look I'll share

[prime sentinel]

Word?

[frail bloom]

#screenshots message

Look

[prime sentinel]

It looks like a crab

[arctic pagoda]

I wanna know, what's up with this weird Scorpion looking demon

[frail bloom]

Dude, he has the shield, look closely

[prime sentinel]

Yeah I’m just saying he looks like a crab lol

A lot of the demons look like crabs…

[frail bloom]

Oh I thought you were implying it was the cosmic baron

Cuz ye he's chitlin boi

[arctic pagoda]

Not really scorpion, but this thing with a big gauntlet and a chainsaw axe

[frail bloom]

I just realized how similar in armor the hell knight and baron are in this game

[arctic pagoda]

Looks like a chupacabra

[prime sentinel]

You mean the lizard thing?

[arctic pagoda]

Yes

[prime sentinel]

They already said the name of it but I forgot

[arctic pagoda]

I see

[frail bloom]

Komodo

[prime sentinel]

Yeah

[frail bloom]

It's a big lizard

[zealous shard]

what's what he said in the vid

[frail bloom]

Looks like a skullcrawler

[prime sentinel]

It does doesn’t it

[hard thistle]

I am pretty sure he said "Lovecraftian."

[zealous shard]

ok. so what other authors have a cthulhu?

[arctic pagoda]

He said Cyclopsian Lovecraft inspired

[shut palm]

Is the game gonna be cheaper after it drops or is the standard edition its normal price?

[hard thistle]

Where does Hugo say "Cthulhu" in the video?

[arctic pagoda]

It looks very much like him

[frail bloom]

There was a sale going on earlier in the week

The humble bundle

[shut palm]

It wasnt on sale tho

[prime sentinel]

It is not literally Cthulhu it’s just visually inspired by it

[hard thistle]

It has tentacles on its face and wings. If we called everything with tentacles and wings Cthulhu half the demons in the series would just be Cthulhu over and over again.

[frail bloom]

Wasn't it like 10% off

[shut palm]

No?

[frail bloom]

I coulda sworn

Oh well