the-dark-ages

[thorny yarrow]

He's already got his power and speed at the beginning of TDA.

[sleek ermine]

cool

[graceful lion]

is tda before all testaments or just after the first?

[sleek ermine]

we don’t know tat

[graceful lion]

no, he did

its a few months after he got his power presumably

otherwise he wont be able to really wreck demon shit up as much

nearly as much, probably, he'd be dead

[thorny yarrow]

The testament that says the slayer was given power and speed is stated in testament 3.

[uneven dragon]

he's already called the doom slayer in TDA so it is after testament 1, testament 2 doesn't really say anything in specific so it's presumably after it, if it is post divinity machine (it is) it is after testament 3

[thorny yarrow]

After testament 3 minimum.

[hard thistle]

The Testaments are describing the stories in broad strokes - parts of them refer to games like Doom 1993, other parts go back and refer to the Divinity Machine. Generally speaking the Testaments, for the most part, are depicting the Slayer post-Argenta. TDA is before that.

[uneven dragon]

Testaments I-III have to be before TDA tho

they don't say any events that occur afterwards

[thorny yarrow]

Testament 4 is a little grey. It's mostly talking about his power growing. Which could also be a TDA thing.

[uneven dragon]

ehh i wouldnt really count anything after 3

that's when it starts being kinda funky with when it's happening or what it is talking abt

[thorny yarrow]

Yeah.

But this is why I came to the conclusion that I did. That we would see at least some events spoken of in the Testament.

[hard thistle]

"Wearing the crown of the Night Sentinels" appears to be something that has not happened by the time The Dark Ages starts. The Slayer was apparently, like, a king of Taras Nabad for a while, and TDA's material is so far depicting him as a chained, brainwashed weapon of the Maykrs.

[thorny yarrow]

Cause TDA starts 3 entries into the testament.

[thorny yarrow]

I had the though the other day that we would probably witness King Novik's death, and that the slayer will probably take the throne in this game.

[uneven dragon]

i guess but still that doesn't mean that TDA is "before" the testaments

like it's certainly not before the events mentioned Testament III

[hard thistle]

Like, it's not really a literal thing. The Testaments should not be taken at literal face value, especially after how much of it has been recontextualized by other games.

[uneven dragon]

TDA happens during the testaments in that it takes place in a time period after some of the main events of the testaments and before the main events of others

[thorny yarrow]

Well I don't think it's altogether hyperbolic when it comes to him wearing the crown. He has sovereignty with the Night Sentinals as an actual king would. To the degree they can't attack him until he kills Deag Grav.

[hard thistle]

The main subject matter of the Testaments is regarding the Slayer's stay in Hell. Of which 99.9999% of it was spent after the fall of Argent D'Nur, and the tiny remaining sliver would be however long he was there after Doom 64. Like, when someone says "the Testaments" they are typically referring to this span of time - the Testaments are mainly discussing this, while interspersing it with other relevant events that happened to the Slayer.

To me this is just a semantics thing. The point remains that the bulk of the Testaments is shit that happens long after The Dark Ages.

[thorny yarrow]

I would imagine the full events of the Testaments may not be seen until the DLC for TDA.

[uneven dragon]

yeah i was purely arguing semantics here

in that technically it's not before everything in the testaments :P

[hard thistle]

The DLC can't even properly depict everything in the Testaments. The Testaments are describing events spanning billions of years.

[uneven dragon]

nothing's stopping them from putting time gaps between levels lol

[graceful lion]

why would time gaps be in between levels

[thorny yarrow]

To depict his time there.

[uneven dragon]

for the reasons m0no said??

[thorny yarrow]

Not like he'd be doing much else of not e between the important events aside from the obvious. XD

[hard thistle]

I find it very unlikely that a satisfying story could be told here in a DLC where no levels are organically connected to an actual plot because we have to have a billion years in between each level.

[uneven dragon]

you could just do the titan stuff and the sarcophagus stuff tho

and like the praetor suit being made

cause other than "uh ya he was super badass and like uh was killing demons for millenia and stuff" not a lot else actually happens lol

[thorny yarrow]

I feel like there is the potential for the time between fall of the Titan and the the slayer's sealing away being closer together than billions of years appart.

[hard thistle]

That's exactly why it'd be kind of silly to devote a DLC to this. It's neat on paper but in reality this whole era of the story is just history book shit. Not much that's interesting happens there, and they can address things like the Wretch in TDA itself by just foreshadowing or introducing the character before the actual Praetor Suit thing.

[thorny yarrow]

I could see a DLC story where the slayer has been at it for ages, already in the armor given to him by the Wretch, and we proceed to slaughter, fight titan, get baited and get trapped.

[hard thistle]

That just seems to me like shoehorning it in. Hugo's comments about DLC and TDA's ending imply to me he wants there to be room to tell more stories set in this time period - I don't think we'll be leaving Argent D'Nur for an extended period of time for a DLC, because devoting the whole thing specifically to spanning the entire length of that time period is kind of the opposite of leaving room for more stories IMO. And it also detracts from the point of TDA, which is it's a medieval-themed prequel.

[graceful lion]

he wears the armor given by the wretch in tda, presumably, becuase he wouldnt handle it otherwise in the divinity machine

[thorny yarrow]

This makes no sense.

[graceful lion]

or like he wont handle the power of the div machine without the suit the wretch gave him

[thorny yarrow]

That's totally fair.

[graceful lion]

you are getting a shard of the power from the first being (presumably), you need some sort of way to make it processable into something your body can comprehend

[hard thistle]

What I find more likely is that the base game will end close to or shortly after the reveal that the Maykrs are working with Hell, and that the DLC will cover the Argenta Civil War that ensued as a result of that. That's a manageable time period in which to tell a 22-level campaign + DLC.

[thorny yarrow]

Eternal already shows him wearing the gloves from his old suit. He was not wearing anything special. He was given some other armor by the wretch durring his time in hell after the sentinels.

[thorny yarrow]

Definitely. I agree.

[hard thistle]

Keifer is actually right here, IIRC the flashback has Doomguy wearing his classic gear when he goes in the Divinity Machine, unless I'm mistaken.

[graceful lion]

i see

yeah he had the old gloves if i remember the cutscene

[hard thistle]

TDA's suit is also, like, really different from the Praetor Suit. It feels finished. The Praetor Suit is junk.

[graceful lion]

but, how did he handle the power from the div machine, wasnt the slayer also a human?, and they tried this on different sentinels before but they all died?

[hard thistle]

Okay, well, it's not junk, but you can tell by the design + new lore that it's not a complete, official Sentinel suit. It's made from scrap. You can see random serial numbers and shit all over it like it's made from scrap the Wretch found lying around.

[thorny yarrow]

The Slayer is a Primeval without their usual power. He always would have been able to handle it.

[hard thistle]

A prediction I'm mulling over is that the Slayer will have to throw out TDA's suit in favor of a Praetor Suit because the Maykrs have control over him with TDA's suit; they have it tapped, basically. I think it's possible that could be a plot point.

[graceful lion]

right

[thorny yarrow]

That would be interesting.

[graceful lion]

but he seemed to have a mother and father, human ones, from one image we see in a doom game

[hard thistle]

The Divinity Machine was doing a different process. The default function was to use Davoth's shard to fry whoever was in it. Samur reversed its polarity before putting the Slayer in, which is gobbledygook to just mean he made it do a different thing.

[graceful lion]

mmm, reverse polarity

[hard thistle]

If he had left the Divinity Machine alone before putting Doomguy in it, it probably would've killed him like it killed the other Sentinels.

[graceful lion]

so it was originally the divinity stripping machine

an execution method

using the power of the first being to fry god knows who

[thorny yarrow]

Yeah. That's part of the gap in the Slayer's personal story. We already know Davoth always looked like him from the outset. I have a pet theory that he was placed into reality by the power above Davoth as a counter measure against Davoth himself.

[hard thistle]

Yes. The Khan used it in an attempt to flush out the Malicious One from the Sentinels' ranks so the "prophecy" that Davoth tossed into her head wouldn't come true.

The irony is that the Divinity Machine ended up creating the Malicious One.

[graceful lion]

lmfao

and then since the power of it was depleted, becuase it is in the malicious one, theres very few ways to kill him

[hard thistle]

That's because Doomguy was a human. Hugo says shit, but the reality is we literally do not have enough info on Primevals to be able to quantify what "Doomguy was always a Primeval!" even means.

[graceful lion]

true yeah

[hard thistle]

Primevals are not confirmed to be a species. They could simply be a title for all we know, or a term for a random person who is just "assigned" to a dimension on some cosmic level.

[graceful lion]

we dont know what a "primeval" means, just that he is a human with some sort of trait i gues

[hard thistle]

Or it could just mean "whoever is strongest in that given dimension."

[uneven dragon]

it would be a nice bookend to actually see the slayer get sealed for the first time

[graceful lion]

as far as we know tthat wont happen in the main game nor dlc

[uneven dragon]

or well less a bookend and more like continuity
2016 opens with him being unsealed eternal ends with him being resealed and the TDA dlc ends with him being sealed for the first time

[graceful lion]

lets the devs have more options for more games

[hard thistle]

My opinion is that by asserting Doomguy was always some sort of "chosen one" with special powers, the point of Doomguy as a character is betrayed. I think this is probably the dumbest thing Hugo's ever said about the series. It does not thematically line up with Doomguy as a character. I hesitate to take what he said as fact, since 1) nothing in the actual games support it, 2) there may never be something in the games to support it, and 3) it's fucking stupid and he may elect to ignore that he said it later on.

[uneven dragon]

ok but like

doing it in a DLC doesn't really close off "more games" does it

especially since they've already said the DLC will be a disconnected story

just... like... set smth between base game and dlc

[graceful lion]

well, it kinda does, since then its just after 2016

or like the story continues when 2016 starts

[uneven dragon]

he literally is a chosen one in Eternal tho

capital g God was like Make this guy destined to kill the maykrs

[hard thistle]

I agree that it would be - I just don't really see how they could feasibly approach that as a plot point for the DLC while also keeping the setting related to Argent D'Nur and in a manageable timeframe.

[uneven dragon]

i agree it's dumb as fuck to make doomguy a chosen one but as it turns out the people directing the modern games can be dumb as fuck sometimes

[hard thistle]

The difference is Make. The games suggest Doomguy was a normal person who Davoth wanted to make a "chosen one." What Hugo said suggests he was just always a "chosen one" even during the classic games, which is inane.

[uneven dragon]

well lets hope TDA never covers what a primevil is then

[thorny yarrow]

That's an example of something I simply cannot completely discount. Especially since the artwork of Davoth in DLC 1 depicts him as resembling the slayer. So if Davoth always looked that way, whcih he clearly did, then it implies something about the Slayer looking exactly like him.

I don't think TDA will cover Primevals. It doesn't make sense for its place in the timeline. However anything that takes place after Eternal is free to go into that.

[graceful lion]

well, davoth is also a primeval, not a being with infinite powers in usual religions you'd pray to

[thorny yarrow]

So the potential is still there, and the crumbs that are related to it are relavent.

[hard thistle]

Doomguy being a random Marine who rose to the occasion, went through some shit, and then became the Slayer because he was embroiled in Davoth's plot - this fits the character and it's a nice segue between the two iterations of the character.

Insisting that there was always something "special" about Doomguy even in the classic games, where the entire point of him was that he could be you, is just a really stupid premise that I don't believe will stick for this series.

[graceful lion]

same

its better for them to have made it something that happens on a whim than something that just was always there

[uneven dragon]

👼 him being chosen by davoth in the modern games is already lame

he should've stayed as mostly a player stand in like 2016 and not been literally predetermined to do all of 2016/Eternal

but yeah much better than him being ALWAYS SPECIAL that's ridiculous

[hard thistle]

The thing with their identical appearances was also a very poorly-designed plot point in TAG, but I do not believe it has to mean that Doomguy was born a demigod with innate powers already inside of him. It can mean that his appearance is a sign of some sort of link between the two of them that isn't fully explained; or even just, holy shit, that they happen to look the same. I would genuinely prefer something as vapid as that over the first thing.

[graceful lion]

also tag 1 and 2 were rushed keep that in mind

they had a promise for a 1 year pass and also covid was rolling around

[hard thistle]

I always saw it as just that the same person can show up across multiple Earthly Realms, and that Doomguy is an example of an "alternate" Davoth who was born on Earth instead of in Jekkad, as a normal human instead of as a Primeval.

[graceful lion]

so shit was hitting the fan in the story department too

[thorny yarrow]

I'll refer back to my own theory that I'm happy one way or the other about if it's true or not.

We know these games stories are a series of cosmic ceos making the worst decisions possible. Davoth ended up being a mistake made by whatever power was above him. He messed all of it up. IT could be then, as a way to eventually get rid of Davoth, that the Slayer, in an unempowered form as a human was placed into reality by that higher power, to eventually become empowered, destroy Davoth, and then lose that power again to become a non threat.

If said power is the mysterious voice, and said voice was trying to reorient the power in this world to the makyrs by say, vicariously giving them an army by striking a planet with hyperpowerful Not Demon Wraiths, and then that voice's plan went bad when the slayer killed the Kahn Makyr, that would be totally in line with the new doom story direction, because Davoth did the same thing by creating the slayer in the first place.

[plain iron]

Ooooh I like that idea.

[uneven dragon]

🙏 everyone is made in the image of god doomguy just happens to look a lot like him cause of that

[graceful lion]

amen

[thorny yarrow]

This totally works too.

[hard thistle]

I understand what you are saying and on a certain level it is plausible. My argument is less that something like this can't happen and more that it shouldn't. I like modern Doom recontextualizing parts of the original games to line up with it, but I think outright changing his entire origin story is a bit too far.

How we have it now, where the Slayer's origin story is something that comes after Doomguy's adventures in the classic games, is already a perfect compromise that connects these games without having to change or "taint" the classics.

[uneven dragon]

other than satan being mentioned in the manuals and possibly the identity for the IoS the authors have in mind
has anything else in the classics been actively retconned/changed by the modern games..?

[thorny yarrow]

I do agree as well. I would like to clarify, I don't take Hugo's word as gospel, and yes especially not during a livestream where he is effectively spitballing. But all I'm saying is nothing he says is ever totally out of the question until it's more concrete. Plus I find it fun to speculate on the potential places his improvised Ideas go.

But looping back to why this whole conversations started, there is no reason to doubt official statements from the man. XD

He certainly shouldn't be totally written off for his flubs either. The man is absolutely one of the best in the idustry. Like man. XD

[hard thistle]

I would argue that in a general sense they contextualized the intention for Hell in Doom's universe. It was totally just straight up Christian Hell in the OGs, and the modern games gave it a different backstory that changes a few presumptions about the environmental storytelling.

[thorny yarrow]

Yeah that's mainly sthe size of it.

[uneven dragon]

oh yeah i forgot abt christianity being the case in general lol

[thorny yarrow]

I wouldn't be surprised if Satan was still the name of a powerful Demon Lord.

[uneven dragon]

i think it would be funny if somehow christian heaven is above everything in the modern games somehow

[hard thistle]

Like, in the original games you are seeing torture chambers and writhing dead people and you think "makes sense, it's Hell, bad people go here when they die and be tortured." Modern Doom contextualized that to be Hell's victims being tortured to extract their souls for demons to gobble up.

[thorny yarrow]

Which is still very hellish and terrifying.

[uneven dragon]

bad people probably still get sent to hell somehow

otherwise that's kind of... eh...... i don't like how that just retcons like most of the text screens from doom ii onward lol

[hard thistle]

I don't think a natural afterlife exists in Doom, personally. I don't think you're meant to go anywhere when you die.

[graceful lion]

yeah

[thorny yarrow]

Without an active demon attack, and lacking the Makyrs, the soul probably just floats off and dissipates.

[hard thistle]

You just stop existing. You go to Hell after death if a demon kills you, you technically go to Urdak after that because your soul has been turned into energy for them to absorb. But it's all a warped process. It's a perversion of natural law.

[uneven dragon]

which like I said is still kinda lame and goes against classic doom a fair bit

[hard thistle]

To me that just makes sense because it ties into the general theme in Eternal of the fear of death. It pervaded the Argenta and got them to believe the Maykrs, and it pervaded Immora. In a sick twist of irony, the Maykrs are instead cursed with immortality and cannot properly die.

[thorny yarrow]

I love Transfiguration with the Makyrs. The fact that their origins as hellspawn are made apparent as they age and lose themselves. Kind of shows an inherent instability. Like they weren't really meant to be the way they are.

[uneven dragon]

which is cool and all but it still continues the issue of eternal retconning/going against a lot of established stuff

[thorny yarrow]

I also had a wonder while playing Doom 64 recently. I feel like there's a possibility they recontextualized the Unmaker that appears in Doom 64 by the Unmakyr in Eternal and the existence of Immora.

It's clear that the Makyr dimension utilizes technology originally created in Immora. And the Unmakyr is at least partially a Makyr device. So I do wonder if, with this new information, the Unmaker is an Immoran weapon.

[hallow heath]

I wonder if we're going to see some Doom 3 connection, as doom 2016 had the d3 mural and the soulcube

[hard thistle]

I do not really blame you for feeling that way. On a subjective level I personally do not really mind it because as I said, I think the classic canon is more like a collective of scenarios in the same general universe without much care for continuity, like a Saturday morning cartoon. I think to actually achieve the goal of making modern Doom games and tying them into the older ones, all with more of a focus on narrative, it was basically guaranteed that they would have to essentially only focus on the mainline stuff.

[thorny yarrow]

I am in pretty full agreement there.

[hard thistle]

You start concerning yourself with shit like Plutonia, Evilution, NRFTL, Legacy of Rust, you start getting caught up in potential contradictions and you lose the chance to actually just tell your own story.

[thorny yarrow]

If they wanted to in the future, they could reboot the story, and spin a new one off that happens after Doom 64.

[plain iron]

... that's inaccurate. Maykrs are supposed to transfigure. They are just supposed to die after. Instead they go insane as they cannot, due to Samur stealing the father's lifesphere.

[hallow heath]

https://doomwiki.org/w/images/c/ce/Doom2016_SoulCube_ArgentDNur.jpg

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Soul_Cube#Doom_.282016.29

I still think that the mural hinting at doom 3 lore in argent dnur is there for a reason, doom 3 has to fit into the new games somehow

[thorny yarrow]

This does not change what I'm saying. The makyrs were created by Davoth. In technicality they are demons. The TRansfigurations reduces them to monsterous forms that look almost bar for bar like demons.

[plain iron]

To clarify, maykrs do die, just not permanently. They die willingly, and rejoin the Singularity.

[hard thistle]

Yeah. It does. The Martians are Sentinels and the Martian Hero is Doomguy pre-Slayer. That's how I see it. Doom 3 is in an alternate universe, but it's the same Hell connecting to all these universes so it's multiverse shit.

[thorny yarrow]

I know.

I know how the makyrs work, but I am including perspective on the fact they were made by the Lord of Hell.

It's poetic.

[plain iron]

I'm meaning the instability. They're not unstable.

They're only unstable now that Samur stole the lifesphere.

[uneven dragon]

Oh I wasn’t really thinking abt all that

I meant stuff like the ending of Doom II lol

[hard thistle]

I mean, I guess by that logic you can technically call Maykrs demons. But I'm fairly sure the intention is that they are supposed to be fully mechanical in their natural form, and the corrupted Transfiguration process is transforming the metal into flesh.

[hallow heath]

I think we're going into a multiverse scenario where the doom slayer (I II 64 2016 and eternal) meet other doomguys or game universes.

[uneven dragon]

I think only Doom II and Plutonia outright say Hell is for torturing bad people…?

[thorny yarrow]

The father is what allowed them to die and not continue transfiguring. I fail to see how being reduced to a monsterous form from your otherwise beautiful one is not instability.

[uneven dragon]

I don’t think there’s enough in any of those games to properly contradict tbh

[hard thistle]

To be fair I never really saw this as a contradiction, because I simply took it as Doomguy's perspective. He saw Hell and assumed it was, well, his Hell. The Catholic Hell and shit. He's a human and just applying his own knowledge to it, so he makes jokes in his head about bad people not ending up in the place, even though really that's not how it works.

[plain iron]

Because they are meant to function that way. It's not unstable. It's intentional.

[uneven dragon]

Unless The Icon is explicitly stated to NOT be called Baphomet (this will never happen) then there’s not really anything that can be contradicted?

[hallow heath]

Also if the father went AWOL, the khan maykr couldn't avoid transfiguration. So what the fuck was that giant maykr body in the water in one of the levels about?

[hard thistle]

I believe Hugo implied it's a past Khan Maykr.

[plain iron]

They aren't supposed to stay transfigured, and prolonged transfiguration is what makes them mutate and be unstable.

[graceful lion]

there is more than one khan maykr, the latest one just lasted a while more

there were also previous "dark lords"

[uneven dragon]

Fair fair

Idk perhaps I just prefer Hell being simpler

In my mind it was the modern explanation and the classic one at the same time somehow tho

[thorny yarrow]

If that was intentional, why would Davoth want them to do that? He wants them to be thinking drones. Computer like. So they can figure out immortality. Why would he even make them lose themselves and become unthinking creatures if there wasn't some limit to his ability to make them stay that way?

[uneven dragon]

Like bad ppl go to Hell and demon victims go to Hell

[hallow heath]

so hell basically works as a hub into other planes or dimensions or can the maykrs go everywhere from their plane?

[thorny yarrow]

That implies to me that he made them that way but he could not keep them from falling to their true nature, which are the same rage filled primal creatures all the other demons are.

[hard thistle]

Both. Hell and Urdak exist below and above the Earthly Realms. There are several Earthly Realms and they all can potentially connect to Hell or Urdak.

Classic Doom is one Earthly Realm. Doom 3 is another. 2016-Eternal-TDA is a third one. But in all those games we are fighting the same Hell, just at different points in Hell's history.

[plain iron]

Because they're not Immortal. He couldn't make Immortal creatures. That's why the maykrs betrayed him, due to the fear of him just being batshit over it. [+ selfishness]

[graceful lion]

yeah davoth was trying to find a way to make his people immortal iirc

[thorny yarrow]

Right. So if he can't do that, and they ultimately succumb to a monsterous from, that is literal instability in his design that Davoth is not able to fix. It may be how it is, but that doesn't mean it's intentional.

[safe ice]

hell, even doom 2 has a pretty big contradiction to the story if you read the manual.

"When the alien invasion struck Mars, you were the first on the scene. By killing, killing, and killing, you won. You stopped the invasion, saved mars base, and became a war hero."

this excerpt from the story part might imply that the doom 2 marine isnt the same as the one from doom 1. doom 1 doesnt take place in mars (unless you consider phobos and deimos as mars), and him being the first on the scene is certainly not what happened in doom 1 judging by the many dead marines scattered across the maps

[thorny yarrow]

It is a fatal flaw in the design of the makyrs, as creations of davoth, that they fall into the true nature of what they are. Monsters created by the ruler of hell. They're just smarter monsters.

[hard thistle]

Yeah the first couple paragraphs of Doom 2's manual are dogwater. I try not to think about that part of it.

[uneven dragon]

Based on how Doom talks abt Mars it definitely covers Phobos and Deimos

[plain iron]

I also don't think most of the maykrs are made by davoth, rather the father. Withthe seraphs and the father himself being the only ones made by Davoth.

[uneven dragon]

Doom 64 takes place fully on Phobos and Hell according to Nintendo but the manual just says Mars Base

[sleek ermine]

DOOM Eternal Mars Core be kicking

[uneven dragon]

m0no will you add doom resurrection to the lore guide

[safe ice]

I mean tbf classic doom was in an era where the devs could really care about anything but the story

[uneven dragon]

it’s very important to know what happened to the last bravo marine /j

[thorny yarrow]

If Davoth made one of them, he by extension is responsible for creating all of them. I believe the Father is akin to a powerful Demon lord, but made with the adjustments necessary to be the center of a logical hivemind.

[plain iron]

Okay but no that's not the point

[uneven dragon]

Gotta love the classic doom story

• doom guy fights demons on Mars
• doom guy kills the IOS on earth
• doom guy kills some random Cyberdemon dickhead
• doom guy kills the IOS on jupiter
• doom guy kills Not The IOS But An Identical In Appearance And Behaviour Guy on earth
• doom guy nukes part of Hell

[thorny yarrow]

Plus if you are saying that Davoth made the Seraphim, look at Samur. His transfigured form is no different from the Kahn Makyr's.

[plain iron]

If I am right, Davoth did not make the rest of the maykrs. Sure by extension, but not directly.

[thorny yarrow]

He looks as much like a demon as any other hellspawn.

[hard thistle]

Okay so I want to toss in some statements regarding the Maykr debate.

• The Maykrs are fully mechanical in their natural state.
• It's unclear if degradation into flesh is an intended part of the Transfiguration life cycle, but I'd argue it could potentially serve as a form of rotting so that a Maykr AI could leave the body, be reborn with a new one, and the old one would just either away.
• The fact that there's the fleshy corpse of a previous Khan in Urdak supports the idea that this is somewhat normal for the Maykrs even if it only happens after the "death" part.
• The Codex says that Davoth "crafted the Maykr race." This implies he at least designed the standard Maykr. Whether it was him who did the actual creating or the Father is up to interpretation, much like the same question of who made the Earthly Realms.

[sleek ermine]

the transfigured forms are not what the Maykrs really are

[plain iron]

Prolonged transfiguration isn't normal.

[vagrant path]

I think partial transfiguration is why kreed makyr is fat

[uneven dragon]

I think he might just be fat

[plain iron]

He shouldn't be that transfigured at that point, if m0no is right when it comes to when Samur stole the sphere.

[vagrant path]

that's why I said partial

he could progress through the story

[hard thistle]

Imagine the Slayer fights him in TDA and we break the Kreed Maykr's metal skin to reveal he's basically hollow and filled with gross flesh and guts. Like he's super Transfigured but hiding it with a shell. Like the fucking Invader ZIM episode where he's got all the kids' organs in his body.

[vagrant path]

we don't know how long they have the slayer in stasis between deployments

[thorny yarrow]

If they are fully mechanical, do we then assume that the Khan Makyr's very visible fleshy brain is a result of her staving off her transfiguration? Do you think it would look different if she were a fresh Kahn Makyr?

I'm overall inclined to not agree with the fully mechanical aspect, as flesh and machine fusion has always been a core theme of this series. I don't see why it would be any different for the Makyrs. Especially considering who made them.

[plain iron]

God I remember that horrific episode lmfao

[hard thistle]

Yes. It is implied every flesh component you see on any Maykr is a result of the Transfiguration; that the Maykrs as we see them in Eternal are not how they are supposed to look, and they're hiding it with shells.

[uneven dragon]

Oh wait I forgot it also names parts of Hell that’s kind of fun

[thorny yarrow]

I never assumed that myself. But it does make sense.

[hard thistle]

The Maykrs naturally have immortality because they are specifically machines and not "natural" life. That is how Davoth gets around the limit of mortality.

[uneven dragon]

Ewwww

[graceful lion]

this some fnaf shit

its like opening up the animatronic to find a corpse of a long gone decomposed child

[hard thistle]

I want to specify, after looking at my guide again, that this is not set in stone and I've wavered in it several times. When I first wrote the guide I was convinced Samur stealing the Life Sphere came first, and that he remained in Urdak afterward as an outcast and heretic before blessing Doomguy and fucking off.

[plain iron]

He fucked off like doomguy's dad </3

[uneven dragon]

i don’t think that ever happened in FNaF vro </3

[thorny yarrow]

Either way, whether it's true or not. I wasn't talking literally about that whole thing. I'm talking ironically and thematically. The Maykrs over time take on a form that resembles demons, sort of betraying their true creator. It's neat.

[uneven dragon]

i mean it would if you did that but it didn’t happen

[graceful lion]

arent there children's souls and probably bodies in the animatronics?

yeah it doens happen but its presumed to be the case inside their bodies

[uneven dragon]

yeah

[graceful lion]

so if the police get ahold of one, they open it up and are horrified

[uneven dragon]

well they Prooobably got removed in 87 by FazEnt

[hard thistle]

Souls, yes. Bodies, eh - they realistically were probably removed within a couple days in the continuity of the games.

[uneven dragon]

Not within a couple days going off of ITPG/Gumdrop Angel

more like a few months at least

before FNaF 2’s main gameplay tho

[hard thistle]

FazEnt definitely inspected the robots because they had gone in the safe room and noticed the Springbonnie suit was moved. I always got the vibe that they would've quietly disposed of the bodies within, like, a week. Before the robots even performed again.

[thorny yarrow]

I've always understood from the outset he created doom slayer, then took the father and dipped. Is that accurate?

[uneven dragon]

I belieeeeeve ITPG has the techs notice the animatronics now smell for a couple months and Gumdrop Angel has them smell too

in the film continuity tho they never find the kids

[plain iron]

I like to think the reason doomguy is so angry is partially cuz his dad either fucked off, or was just a piece of shit

[hard thistle]

It can be. The Codex never properly connects these two events; they're elaborated on in isolation from each other, and it's unclear if Samur did both in quick succession or if the Maykrs had been suffering from the corrupted Transfiguration for a while by the time the Divinity Machine stuff happened. It kinda depends on what makes most sense to you.

[plain iron]

Or emotional disregulation from ptsd, if y'all want a proper answer

[hallow heath]

I wonder if we're going to learn more about the origins of the wraiths in TDA, we only know they came on a crystal that crash landed on argent dnur and that 3 wraiths basically generated infite argent energy in 2016

[hard thistle]

I always headcanoned that Doomguy's dad was physically abusive and his mom was an addictive narcissist.
Other headcanons: that Doomguy was a bully in high school, and that he was emotionally closed off until he met his wife who bought him a pet rabbit to try and get him happier more often.

[thorny yarrow]

I feel like it makes the most sense that The Seraphim discovered that hell was at their door after the Slayer first arrived. He probably found out through the Kahn Maykr. The Seraphim then created the Slayer as he was puppeted to do. Then I would think in a bid of self preservation, the father was then like "Yo, we are not dealing with that. Take the sphere to the sanctum, and take me with you." At which point the rest of the Maykrs suddenly found themselves in trouble, and then the deal with the Dark Lord was struck. Though I honestly still can't pin down why the Father wanted to leave. Maybe because he recognized Davoth's manipulations at play? Who knows right now.

[thorny yarrow]

I kind of doubt that. I feel like that might be connected to whatever power is higher than Davoth. In which case I think that could be a job for a game later in the timeline.

[hallow heath]

I think TAG2 hinted at something with this when you enter the world spear

This is... unlike anything we've ever encountered. Not even Urdak gave off readings like this.

[thorny yarrow]

Yeah. If it's not like hell or Urdak then it's probably from something higher on the pecking order. Or from somewhere totally exotic.

I have doubts if it's the lovecraftian universe Quake is set in. Especially since there's the possibility hell has taken that realm over, with what we're seeing in TDA.

[plain iron]

I think it kinda shows that his dad was a shit person, other folk might not exactly see the signs but I do think that's what happened to him

W the idea of a wife, I've always preferred the idea that he didn't really have one, makes him more relatable for me. I like the idea of folk choosing if they want him to have a wife, or him having shit parents or having just regular parents. It makes him relatable imo.

[hard thistle]

This is somewhat broadly how I see it, albeit not quite as suddenly.

I feel the most likely thing is that the Father and Samur were both worried about what would happen if Hell got into Urdak and to the Luminarium. I also feel it's likely that the Father was growing sick of the Maykrs pulling their narcissistic subjugating bullshit.

I like to think the corrupted Transfiguration was foreseen by the Father when he wanted to be taken away from Urdak, and that it was partially a test - that he would've come back if the Maykrs shaped up. And they failed by instead making a deal with Hell.

[thorny yarrow]

That would check out. Especially given the logical power of the Father, I wouldn't be surprised if he made a few very accurate predictions.

Hell he might have even predicted that he would be reborn as Vega. Into an ultimately better form, with less sentimental connection to Davoth as his creator, and with less ability to stop what needed to be done.

[hallow heath]

I think it's going to be closer to Hexen than Quake 1 thematically, mostly due to the medieval setting and the shield

[thorny yarrow]

Cause of all the lies in The Book of the Seraphs I don't think the sentimentality of the Father was one of them. It was just flipped the other way around.

[hallow heath]

I love hexen I was running Doom and Hexen on DOS in 1996

[hard thistle]

I feel that other than specifically the shit about the Father being God and creating Davoth, that the Book of Seraphs is mostly accurate.

It's mostly truth with a big lie in the middle of it. But I see no reason to assume that the Father creating the Earthly Realms was a lie, or the lore about Primevals.

[plain iron]

My main issue is when are they talking abt the father, or calling Davoth the father yk? Like w the battle of isonkast, where the seraphs had their wings removed [metaphorically or literally]

Was it davoth who they rebelled against or was it the father 😭

[hard thistle]

I think you can look at it like this: the Book of Seraphs is 90% accurate, except replace "The Father created Davoth" with "Davoth created the Father." I don't think the name-stealing thing actually applies to the Book of Seraphs - I don't even really think Davoth was necessarily called the Father, and personally feel like the "stealing his name" thing meant more like a metaphorical loss of identity by reducing him to a voice in Hell.

[hallow heath]

It's similar to the story of the greek titanomachy, the olympians rebelled against the titans and became the rulers. Here the maykrs and the seraphims rebelled against the dark gods and became the father

[brave valve]

Any actual benefits of preordering besides skins, or should I just wait for sale?

[plain iron]

2 days early access, soundtrack and artbook, if you get the premium.

[brave valve]

You think there’s gonna be a sale on release? Or wait till summer sale

[plain iron]

Summer, maybe autumn/spring sale

[brave valve]

Man 😭

Wasent there a 50% sale when doom eternal dropped tho?

[graceful lion]

i fucking wish

[sleek ermine]

does that mean no

I ain’t getting the game anyway

[graceful lion]

it probably wont

[queen atlas]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ZG978023ChM?si=KrMEoOML7lujmi7K

This must be some type of prototype right? Surely the actual figurine looks far better

[plain iron]

It's unfinished.

I recognise some of the hand painted elements from painting minifigs. There's overspray from the airbrush, which they'll go in and fix with a thinner brush. There's also lack of shading on the skulls.

Oh and it doesn't have the Cape + interchangeable mace lmfao

[graceful lion]

well yeah of course its unfinished bro

[queen atlas]

Yeah I figured. Just wanted to be sure this isn't what I would receive if I were to buy the collectors edition

[plain iron]

Pen jfc I've been using too much clip studio.

[graceful lion]

it feels like a really fair conclusion becuase the game isnt even out yet

so evne the shit we saw in trailers would be a little different

[queen atlas]

Wait the figurines are hand painted? Like 40k stuff?

[graceful lion]

yeah bro

[queen atlas]

That's crazy

[plain iron]

Yup, one of the signs that you can see is the fact the neck is actually painted lmfao

[graceful lion]

robots cant really do that too precisely becuase theres so much tiny shit

now CPUs are a different story, becuase thats a plane surface

this is like tons of surfaces

[plain iron]

My TAG figure doesn't have the neck painted, and there's fuckall shading

Just on the rock base

[queen atlas]

I was wondering if robots wouldn't just be better at painting but guess not

[plain iron]

Dry brushing isn't that hard 💔

[queen atlas]

What's TAG sorry

[plain iron]

They're good at bigger things, small figures like this not so much

[plain iron]

The ancient gods

[queen atlas]

Wait which figure is that?

[queen atlas]

I mean it looks pretty big no? At least compared to something like a regular space marine

[plain iron]

About a foot tall, but still far too small lmao

[plain iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1365243371920297984/20250116_094816.jpg?ex=680c9978&is=680b47f8&hm=c068897a843d922ab4dc7ef08fb2c2b84fd5f05d0f136675cdb687381337516f&

[graceful lion]

where is the shading 💔

[queen atlas]

Yeah wanted to ask the same thing

[plain iron]

There's none

[graceful lion]

fuckin why tho

oh this isnt hand painted?

[plain iron]

It's machine painted

[queen atlas]

The skin color looks a bit off

Ohhh

[graceful lion]

never let machines paint figurines again bro wtf is this 🥀

[plain iron]

It doesn't have the smaller details correct, either that or it's a super lazy painter lmao

[queen atlas]

Well I hope the dark ages one will look better

[graceful lion]

it will

[plain iron]

It would, I think they've learnt their lesson lmao

[graceful lion]

it should.

[queen atlas]

Also how would the pre-ordering of collector's edition even work? Like when would you receive it? Never ordered something like that before so honestly I have no clue

Do they just give you the code for the game itself 2 days before release and you receive the box itself afterwards or

[graceful lion]

well, you cant really download the game once you own it until it's may 13th

but they will probably deliver it earlier, and have it so that you can download it early but not play it

god of war ragnaork did this back when it released on pc last year or so

you coulddownload it early, but the play option was grayed out

[plain iron]

Hrrr that might be kinda risky

Data mining n shit

[graceful lion]

well last time they did it there wasnt anything of datamining that i found

because its heavily encrypted probably, you cannot play the game at all

they probably dont have the game downloadable

[plain iron]

I hope so

[graceful lion]

or i mean, they dont have the game as an exe in the files

[plain iron]

Which would be hella dumb lmao

[graceful lion]

yeah they probably wont have the exe in the files

and if they did, its either gonna be empty or inaccessible

[tight wadi]

I though the giant maykr body in urdak, was supposed to be the next khan before they learned to stop the degradation with hell energy, so now the body is just laying dormant since the khan didn't die and I thought they all had bodies beneath the armor

[graceful lion]

nah it was just a transfigured khan before the maykr

just put in pickling fluid for perservation

[proud vine]

not the green neck 😭

[graceful lion]

doomguy is the green goblin

[plain iron]

Tis the result of machine painting

[proud vine]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-24675586

[plain iron]

Yeah, a mate of mine who's been collecting figs for over 10 years agree that it's machine painted, kinda balls but eh

[graceful lion]

well i guess they dropping multiplayer support sam way they dropping handpainted support, might be a limited thing for the first few until the painters have to work on something else

(ik they arent dropping mp support, but u get hwat i mean)

[proud vine]

i wonder when battle mode servers are shutting down actually

[autumn dawn]

1st week of TDA probably

nobody's gonna play battlemode anymore now that TDA's out

[graceful lion]

people will still return

just like people will return to subnuatica 1 mods eventhough subnuatica 2 released

[winter idol]

arent doom 2016 servers still up

[agile sonnet]

Yea

[autumn dawn]

it's because subnautica 1 still had like millions of players by the time subnautica 2 released

afaik, battlemode has like 5

[agile sonnet]

Like... a few months ago I had a full lobby of level 50s-

[graceful lion]

subnuatica 2 isnt out

subnuatica below zero is not subnuatica 2

[autumn dawn]

oh i thought it was

[cobalt fog]

Where’s the dark lord figure lmao

[plain iron]

I was like. 13 when it was released, I ain't ever gonna be able to get it 💀

[cobalt fog]

Wait the dark lord figure exists

I was just joking lol

[plain iron]

Yeah lmao

[earnest swift]

Nobody plays Battlemode as is outside Xbox (and most of those players are complete noobs).

[sleek ermine]

ebay

[earnest swift]

Why else do you think you see people wanting help for the MP achievements in these games every 2 minutes?

[plain iron]

not for a reasonable price.

Tbf it is a limited edition item

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1365286511888695346/Screenshot_20250425_212047_Samsung_Internet.jpg?ex=680cc1a6&is=680b7026&hm=6ba7dad5b334ab85b401416113227d0f4fd5aa6ee6684bfbd8744090a7109a46&

This was the only one [it has sold out] I ain't paying nearly a grand for him 😭

[inner wigeon]

Just make your own at that point, holy moly

[plain iron]

Honestly i might as well lmao

Might get someone to do a silicone mold, and I'll work on it past that, or get someone to somehow convert it to a 3d file

[cobalt fog]

HOLY SHIT

[meager vortex]

vega wtf

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-power-up-standing-there-gif-18381620951621460993

2 weeks left guys

[plain iron]

He's a goober

Okay okay

Hear me out here.

[meager vortex]

if i try send yotube link for doom the dark ages vega block me

[plain iron]

So. It ain't gonna be something y'all know, but like. There's a scene in a show, Steven universe. Yes, a kids show, leave me alone. But like. There's a scene in the last few episodes, where like. Steven, a himan kid w a gemstone that's quite literally apart of his biology [it's hard to explain, just look it up] but. Like the scene, where someone removes the gem, but like. Imagine it as the slayer tearing out the weird tether in his chest [+ blood and Screams]

It's a very specific thing to think of

[glad crystal]

just 20 days till the dark ages

[agile sonnet]

WOOOOOOO

3 weeks till it's out!

[glad crystal]

we finna be playin doom the peak ages fr

[meager vortex]

steam store said 2 weeks left

[glad crystal]

it says 3 weeks for me

[meager vortex]

oh maybe legion

[agile sonnet]

Lemme check rq

Says approximately 2 weeks, yet it's 20 days away, so closer to 3 weeks (21 days)

[plain iron]

It releases on the 15. 13th for the premium/collectors edition owners.

[agile sonnet]

Steams telling me it releases on the 14th-

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-title-collector's-edition-gif-16793651776385319022

im a collector owner

hell yeah

demons is fucked up now

[agile sonnet]

Hell yea! pun intended

[plain iron]

Time zone shit 😭

[grave cave]

In Australia they release the game on the 15th at 11pm -12am

[plain iron]

Why tf did they base it on the Australian times that's so odd [great for me tho]

[hallow heath]

yay NZST

[proud vine]

it comes out at 2 AM for me

doom is more important than sleep anyway

[plain iron]

I get to experience ahzrak's ass in the day time 💀

WAIT. I THINK I KNOW WHEN THAYS GONNA APPEAR

[proud vine]

when

[graceful lion]

???

ok tyler stop breaking NDAs

[proud vine]

i wanna know now

[plain iron]

NO BUT

HEAR ME OUT HERE

[meager vortex]

they wiil give us download map

[proud vine]

doom the hearing ages

[meager vortex]

time zone download map

[proud vine]

i don't think so?

[plain iron]

IMA BET WERE GONNA SEE IT WHEN HE IS LIKE. CHANGING HIS FORM?? LIKE HIS CLOTHES N SHIT. LIKE. I BET WERE GONNA GET A CUTSCENE DETAILING HIS TATTOOING PROCESS N SHIT

Like.

It's a reach, but like.

[proud vine]

you are just gonna focus on them buttcheeck don't lie

[plain iron]

Where else are we gonna see the poor man's ass

Its a logical conclusion...

[meager vortex]

only sure he killing demons

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-simpsons-meat-meat-grinder-gif-22021019

[graceful lion]

for some reason i read tattooing first and i was like "we're gonna see ahzrack getting his crack tattoed in a hell shop?"

but that would be some shit out of some animated show out of it

[plain iron]

... have you never seen how lower back tattoos can be done 😭 or thigh tattoos. Tbf he probably has tattoos on his hips and below

[graceful lion]

well i mean theres been tattoos on the actual member or close to it, for both genders

[plain iron]

Yeah ik 💀 my sister does those tattoos for folk [she's very cool, just mentally ill]

[graceful lion]

yeah there was this video a while back i saw on a tattoo guy making one, (obviously wasnt the front view that would be weird to see) but yeah both people seemed to not enjoy it 😭

[plain iron]

I mean. It's a bunch of needles being stabbed into your skin at rapid pace, it's not fun for the receiver [most of the time]

From folk I've talked to, they've said it's comparable to getting your ribs tattooed

[graceful lion]

well it did stimulate the customer but she was embarassed so anyways

[plain iron]

yk maybe we should drop this conversation lmfao

Anyways :D

[graceful lion]

prince ahzrack

[plain iron]

The question on why id software, a American game company, has the release of TDA in the most awkward ass time for America

The answer shall never be known

[winter idol]

its like 8PM my time

and 6pm west coast time

makes sense since all americans are off work at that time

well, most

[plain iron]

I mean, if you are picking the game up from like. Gamestop or smthn, it would be closed

[winter idol]

for the 5 people that still use gamestop

[plain iron]

I use Australian gamestop.

Tbf I live in fuckknows

[true merlin]

18 days guys let’s go

[hollow sandal]

I like mah physical games

[winter idol]

i prefer to get doom 1 second after it releases so i can play it immediatly

also no physical media on pc

[vagrant path]

My ass is so ready

[true merlin]

Why not get doom 1 now

[true merlin]

Oh ya

[hollow sandal]

Tru, you are speaking facts

[slender night]

This isn't all that related to the conversation but I think disc drives are still important to have as a PC owner

[hollow sandal]

Why so, if I may ask good sir

[meager vortex]

43 people from steam forum DOOM THE DARK AGES i blocked them because they said woke and make a trying to game damage

[hollow sandal]

Bruhhhh

Lemme see

[slender night]

Well you're locking out like 70% of pre-Steam games by not having a disc drive

[meager vortex]

they just trying to terminate DOOM the dark ages

[hollow sandal]

Jeeezus you weren't kidding

I think I saw your post too

It's actually humorous lol

[meager vortex]

i think they are working id software rival company

[plain iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1365328161830600744/Screenshot_20250426_000629_Bluesky.jpg?ex=680ce870&is=680b96f0&hm=a4a133d1c00340417eadeb79c5172720a12997df6c312ac56e1cbd7660a51c44&

New doom bluesky post

[harsh egret]

wtffff

faaak

[supple flower]

New video about the cosmic realm just released on the PlayStation channel

[hollow sandal]

Damn wat was it hato

[harsh egret]

yeppppp

[plain iron]

WHAT

[harsh egret]

doom retweeted a post

[hollow sandal]

Oh shit

[harsh egret]

big fkin post

[supple flower]

The cosmic baron and cacodemon are insane

[harsh egret]

cosmic baron oh shieet

[harsh egret]

they didnt show the caco in that

[meager vortex]

DOOM SLAYER HUNT GIANT OCTOPUS DEMON

[true merlin]

Post it let’s see

[supple flower]

https://youtu.be/DVBI55DbNQI?feature=shared

[harsh egret]

OMG

6 MINUTES HELLO?

[plain iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1365329014213836840/AOgBECVJpcK7y6y5.mp4?ex=680ce93b&is=680b97bb&hm=300af95841f1a73d18985b823e5aaf879442f5f8a7c9a4908355fba15b649677&

[true merlin]

Bro this is freaking cool

[harsh egret]

ok im fuckin hyped to watch this holy fuck

[meager vortex]

because map showing

[plain iron]

FICK WRONG ONE

[true merlin]

WTF WAS THAT

[plain iron]

I'm gonna throw myself.

[true merlin]

Bro that looked cool

New demon in there

[hollow sandal]

Yoooo

[meager vortex]

new demon= new doom slayer meal

[true merlin]

Ok who’s now more ready then ever after that

[plain iron]

Oh ew Hugo jumpscare.

[harsh egret]

?

[plain iron]

Hugo is reading from a script lmao

[plain iron]

I don't like his voice 💀

[harsh egret]

#screenshots skullcrusher mod

not mod but u know

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-ez-doom-eternal-doom-doom-slayer-gif-26144014

[merry lion]

The colour scheme in the cosmic realm reminds me of doom 64

[harsh egret]

wait im stupid or

no it is different

[plain iron]

Woah that's a big ass tentacle

[silent surge]

i’m curious to watch this soon

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-slayer-looking-gif-1116026042448105293

[grave cave]

Dude Im about to sleep, this isn't helping

[harsh egret]

if it were bedtime for me this would keep me up for like another hour

[meager vortex]

hey guys i want know is there new skin just like gold skin from eternal?

[grave cave]

Guess I'm up till 1am now lmao!

[meager vortex]

maybe uv clear

[hollow sandal]

You gotta watch it now allstin, it's sick 😭

[silent surge]

soon as i can!

[meager vortex]

gold skin doom the dark age version

[true merlin]

But that new demon looks sick ngl

Cthulhu enemies

[plain iron]

Ooohhh extra Ahzrak shot

Oh and we take Serrat into the cosmic realm too

[true merlin]

Actually could that green dude be the cosmic baron

[graceful tulip]

It looks like hell isn’t the only armies we’re dealing with, now we gotta deal with hp lovecrafts unholy machination

[harsh egret]

what the fk did i just watch man

crazy shit

[true merlin]

Actually think bout it the tentacles are from that realm

[feral bane]

YouTuber I watch thinks that Hell is controlling these armies with devices similar to what controls the slayer.

https://youtu.be/V0wsHhkC3ms?si=G7WS7A7jSwov9M3Q

[plain iron]

Lmfao, what controls the slayer is a Maykr bit of tech

It's controlled directly by the bishop kreed

[feral bane]

Hell reverse engineering technology isn’t outside of their capabilities

[plain iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1365331471270809742/image0.jpg?ex=680ceb85&is=680b9a05&hm=7b7e81ee74b10272b2368e57cdbd40b18c445ad6209930dd87e047d0f284349c&

Also, cosmic baron :3

[feral bane]

I mean you have the whole Unmaker vs Unmaykr situation

Though I don’t have strong opinions either way

[plain iron]

The unmaykr was made by maykrs 😭

[true merlin]

He looks sick ngl

[feral bane]

Game isn’t out yet

[feral bane]

Yeah ik

[true merlin]

@frail bloom we got to see the cosmic baron

[feral bane]

I’m noting it because the Unmaker exists in Hell, which is oddly similar despite being hell tech

[hollow sandal]

How did you guys hear about the cosmic baron before this video?

[meager vortex]

that yellow energy is looks like a blood punch shockwave spark

[plain iron]

h u h

Yellow energy is related to the maykrs

[safe ice]

that plasma rifle looks so sick

[hollow sandal]

Yea I love the colored energy they have, red, and purple for the twin barrel

[safe ice]

Im happy they're going back to the classic doom and doom 3 look for this game

[meager vortex]

blood punch shockwave same color

[plain iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1365332252682092626/Screenshot_20250426_001832_YouTube.jpg?ex=680cec3f&is=680b9abf&hm=4e54cea932ae22c2e88638b9611b77a564f1896072476a7a5a34a0c2989c04ec&

And the Ahzrak shot

[true merlin]

A white board image

[hollow sandal]

Ohhh, sick

[true merlin]

But idk they redesigned him to be that kind of baron

[upper mauve]

what video is this from??

[merry lion]

He became crab

[meager vortex]

he will be meat

[formal root]

WHAT THE FUCK

[hollow sandal]

Playstation youtube channel

[formal root]

GOD, THEY ARE HIDEOUS

[plain iron]

He'll be my wife if I have anything to do with it /j

[formal root]

I LOVE THEM

[true merlin]

THEY ARE FUCKING COOL

[plain iron]

They lowkey look like a shambler (?) From quake

[silent surge]

incoming controversy!
“but this isn’t doom!”
“shoulda called this quake”

[meager vortex]

he will be cut his balls???

[true merlin]

I hate no og baron but the cosmic one looks freaking cool

[plain iron]

Nup. He's just my wife now.

[meager vortex]

DOOM SLAYER throwing shield saw oops! shield saw hit his very important weak spot

https://tenor.com/view/심영-고자-고자라니-폭8-야인시대-gif-24872527

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-24107071

[true merlin]

Everyone’s thoughts on the cosmic Baron

[grave cave]

Different and metal asf

[merry lion]

What enemies are left?

[plain iron]

Hrr

[true merlin]

Most have been shown but Hugo did say they haven’t revealed everything yet

[plain iron]

I don't think we'll get a pain elemental which is balls

[hollow sandal]

Nooooooo

[true merlin]

We don’t know that yet

[plain iron]

I wanna see mah cooked meatball.

[merry lion]

Perfect opportunity to bring back the 64 version

[upper mauve]

quake universe im calling it

[meager vortex]

meatball lol

[plain iron]

Ahzrak is so cool dawg.. such a neat design...

[formal root]

BLADE ARMS?

LITERALLY KEEPS HITTING ON AND ON???

HYBRID OF THEM TWO???

[plain iron]

I wonder if his designer was inspired by Tool albums

[formal root]

horrendous in a good way

[merry lion]

https://tenor.com/view/gigan-godzilla-godzilla-vs-kong-happy-excited-gif-2079515301448211672

Bro thinks he’s Gigan

[upper mauve]

im worried that ill just know everything about the game

i feel like im getting spoiled

[hollow sandal]

Lowkey

[formal root]

They just showed us the realm

I don’t even know why hell and those mfs working together

[true merlin]

They showed us a new realm with no spoilers

[formal root]

yeah

and like just the addition of the cosmic barons

[true merlin]

An ancient pact

[meager vortex]

DOOM THE DARK AGES= DOOM THE FUCKING KILLING DEMONS AGES

[formal root]

“hey man, you wanna like make demons together?”

“uh i mean, sure that sounds fun”

[true merlin]

I mean the tentacles are from that realm

[formal root]

true true

also the baron literally like

[true merlin]

Metal as fuck

[formal root]

doing a 3 combo????

A 3 back to back combo

[true merlin]

He’s our super heavy pressure demon so ya

[formal root]

last time I remember a enemy doing that was in dark souls

[true merlin]

Exactly

[formal root]

boy am I gonna suck at the parry

[true merlin]

Samir ain’t gonna be happy

[hollow sandal]

Nahh you Good man

[tropic adder]

Ah... new trailer - the tentacle comes through the portal and 'steals' the tower, and "free of control" doomguy rushes to save ... the tower. I wonder who's on it... hmm hmm mhhhh? Maybe my worries do come true?

[formal root]

what worries….

[true merlin]

Huh

Could’ve been a order by novik

[tropic adder]

Hope so.

[formal root]

yeah

[true merlin]

No way it wouldn’t be

[hallow heath]

DOOM: The Dark Ages - Cosmic Realm First Reveal Trailer | PS5 Games

[swift forge]

ah yes, another one for the betting wheel tsk tsk tsk

[teal crest]

Lovecraftian world, hell yeaaaahhh

[swift forge]

have u not realized that this is possibly as good as it can get for doomie

[thorny yarrow]

The Cosmic Realm In Doom the Dark Ages. Looks like we truly are getting a little quake in our Doom this time. XD

[autumn dawn]

awesome we already have a dlc

[swift forge]

or maybe the japanese company with japanese sensibilities dont care abt doom, u know

[formal root]

a little quake in doom

a little doom in quake

[hallow heath]

we cthulu now

[autumn dawn]

HP Lovecraft is the new Hell Priest

[teal crest]

so cthulu is it's own dimension's dark lord??

[formal root]

I mean

yeah?

[tropic adder]

I'm guess stressed over that stupid 'romantic interest' rumor. Like... it's unhealthy how stressed it makes me. And you know what's the worst part? - The first time I saw the first teaser for TDA (before January)... it just occurred to me as "what if" and now I have this lingering fear ever since lol. And if you ask why I stress over it? Yeah, I ain't gonna tell.

[hallow heath]

Judas Priest - Hellpatrol has entered the chat

[formal root]

…

brother

[teal crest]

I think they will use this to set up eternal's sequel

[formal root]

the first tease wh-

mf we don’t know shit about the game yet

tf you getting stressed over a “romantic interest” rumor for

[silent surge]

huh?

what romantic interest? in doom

closest thing we get is a ripped family pic in the fortress of eternal

[hallow heath]

"an ancient tool from dimensions beyond our own" sounds a weapon from hexen

[formal root]

this allstin

so like I don’t

[silent surge]

ya but i don’t know what romantic interest it would be

[formal root]

i’m assuming commander thira?

[silent surge]

novik’s daughter

[formal root]

yeah

[silent surge]

just a commander, idk where romance comes in

[hollow sandal]

Novik's darter

[silent surge]

how you gonna get with your boss’ daughter though???

[wooden acorn]

the romantic tension between Doomguy and the voice in his suit

[merry lion]

The centaur in Hexen has a spike shield

[autumn dawn]

"I thought you'd appreciate the sentry I chose - The great Cthulhu from R'yleh."

-HP Lovecraft

[silent surge]

slaughtaur fires a projectile but we can’t parry in hexen

in dusk though…

[graceful lion]

i really dont think theres gonna be a love story or anything like that

[silent surge]

yea idk why they would do that

[grim cloud]

with the reveal of cosmic realm, that means my megawad is officially canon. NOw i must finish it

[harsh egret]

how are people even thinking they might do that

[autumn dawn]

love seems to be rather out of place in Doom

[formal root]

“long thought to be asleep, has been woken up to exterminate only the slayer and his night sentinels during the unholy crusade!”

[thorny yarrow]

The Cacodemon is a Hybrid between hell and the cosmic realm! Cool!

[autumn dawn]

what is the Cosmic Realm?

[formal root]

I wonder what’s gonna happen that we don’t hear anything from the cosmic realm in eternal

[hollow sandal]

Cool oc

[autumn dawn]

i haven't seen any promotional material of it yet

[graceful lion]

here lemme get a link

[grim cloud]

this "baron" gives me shambler vibes, well if a shambler fucked a crab

[thorny yarrow]

They just released a vid about it on the PlayStation page.

[graceful lion]

https://youtu.be/DVBI55DbNQI?si=imalnskzqZlEr3uV

[formal root]

THATS WHAT THEY LOOKED LIKE

[winter idol]

yo wat?

[merry lion]

All chitin, no fur

[formal root]

COSMIC BARONS ARE JUST DEMONIC SHAMBLERS

[strong copper]

why did they make it parry and stuff because isnt the whole thing with doom is to dodge and not get hit

[autumn dawn]

ooooo

[hallow heath]

so cosmic realms will have cosmic version of some daemons?

[strong copper]

the idea of just parrying and standing there is kind of boring to me

[graceful lion]

the slowmotion stuff is disableable

[weary current]

hearing this from hugo himself is peak

[silent surge]

you will be busy dodging and moving still and doing things

[strong copper]

slow motion?

[graceful lion]

yeah like the game isnt boring my guy you only seen trailers

[hollow sandal]

Gus

[graceful lion]

when you parry an attack theres slow motion

[formal root]

theres gonna be other demons shooting and charging you too

[graceful lion]

its optional

[thorny yarrow]

I hate all the whining about the redesign. Especially for the Cacodemon. I thought it was pretty clear by now all the redesigns are fueled by good reasoning and concepts.

[hollow sandal]

You'll have fun. Gus

[tropic adder]

Other than that... I hope they did justice to the Star Spawn. Very much a fan of Lovecraft. Looks really good. The whole realm looks like a new fav place.

[harsh egret]

this

[graceful lion]

i hate all the whining about the game being slow

[thorny yarrow]

You the best Allstin!

[weary current]

HOLY SHIT THE OST

oh whoops, didn't mean to reply to you allstin

[silent surge]

OST YES

[silent surge]

thank you!

[thorny yarrow]

Also given the clear focus on the Cosmic Realm in single eyes, and cyclopean being a specific term used, I'm now near certain the World Spear probably came from the Cosmic Realm.

[hollow sandal]

Cool oc

[thorny yarrow]

Oh are you talking about my profile picture? XD

[true merlin]

No

[hollow sandal]

Your character

[true merlin]

Bc wrath’s came from somewhere else not the cosmic realm

[thorny yarrow]

Thanks!

[weary current]

THE CACODEMON CAN STILL TRY AND TAKE A BITE OF YOU, EVEN WITH HIS ELECTRICAL ATTACKS LET'S GO
he's already peak

[true merlin]

Good

[thorny yarrow]

There's already at least a superficial sharing of design language concerning the Eye motifs. So it's not out of the question.

[grave cave]

Dude they are my weakness in UN runs

[harsh egret]

#screenshots maybe nothing major but i havent seen anyone talk about this yet

[true merlin]

Not really they never had eyes

[harsh egret]

maybe its a skin tho who knows

[thorny yarrow]

That's not what I'm talking about. Eyeball design elements were all over the structure of the world spear.

[hollow sandal]

Good catch

[thorny yarrow]

I know the Wraiths were eyeless. That's obvious.

[true merlin]

Those weren’t eyes those where other wrath’s

[hollow sandal]

Yea it's probably a skin, but for the shredder there is an upgrade that changes the hammer into a crystal

[thorny yarrow]

Wow look at those eye shapes around the literal door to the spear!
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/File:World_Spear_gatekeepers.jpg#mw-jump-to-license

[hollow sandal]

If that makes sense. Upgrades seem to have minor cosmetic changes. I think

[harsh egret]

nah i think that was an updated design thing

[hollow sandal]

Hmm

[winter idol]

ohh i get where that cacodemon came from now, it makes sense why it looks fucked up

[harsh egret]

if u look at the concept art they posted a while ago, the crystal is the default

[hollow sandal]

Gotcha

[thorny yarrow]

If you go back to the world spear as well eyes appear in plenty of places. I was not talking about the chambers the Wraiths were being held in. I know what those are.

[harsh egret]

but yeah for now id guess its a skin

[fleet spruce]

Damn, Doom is now more Quake than Quake is

[harsh egret]

if so, i love the direction and the effort they are putting into skins now

[hallow heath]

quake 1 , quake 2 or quake 3?

[merry lion]

Quake 1

Quake 2 is strogg

[hallow heath]

yeah, it looks like hexen meets quake 1

[thorny yarrow]

Quake has had an interesting narrative history. 1 was Lovecraft, 2 was scifi, and then as things went the two kind of merged together. And now we're here.

[hallow heath]

I enjoyed the story of quake IV and Im sad it ended in a cliffhanger

[merry lion]

The machine games expansions did a good job of mixing the Lovecraft and strogg together in a shared universe

[fleet spruce]

also if we consider that the ctulhu thing is flying into the portal to the cosmic realm it's quite likely that world spear flew out of one as well

[thorny yarrow]

Yeah

Still it's also interesting that the power of the Wraiths is able to combat hell. But also that their energies seem compatible for the creation of Argent energy.

I wonder if there's more to that.

[wooden acorn]

|| Cosmic dimension kinda reminds me of Apocrypha from Elder Scrolls tbh ||

[thorny yarrow]

I had been wondering all this time if the demention shown in quake was actually superior to Hell, and maybe even the place Davoth was born from.

[tranquil bluff]

Bethesda needs to resell Skyrim somehow

[thorny yarrow]

But now that it's having the feature it currently is in this game, I'm starting to think that's not the case.

[real rose]

Oh so we just revealing stuff without warning now

[tropic adder]

It's also inspired by Lovecraft and his writing buddies. Also one of my fav places in TES! 🥰
Im a sucker for cyclopean/lovecraftian.

[wooden acorn]

True, maybe we’ll see Hermaeus Mora in there

[wooden acorn]

Sorry, probably should’ve spoiled my message

[graceful lion]

did you really expect coming to the tda channel without being spoiled?

[wooden acorn]

But they dropped a new semi trailer for PlayStation people

[thorny yarrow]

I do also find it pretty neat that, considering we know what happens after the Dark Ages that Doom Slayer seems to not have lasting beef with the Cosmic Dimension. He never has interest in going back there, seemingly.

[real rose]

lol, no im not referring to here, im referring to the new reveal trailer

i talk about story components here regularly

[plain iron]

It deadass could be just. Gone.

[real rose]

now to actually watch it

[thorny yarrow]

Either that, or the deal with the Cosmic Realm was genuinely temporary, and now that they aren't associated with Hell anymore they aren't a concern of the Slayer's. He has been shown to only actively go after those who associate with Hell l. So if they stop their union he just might not care.

[tropic adder]

I suppose prince Asscrack has smth to do with Cosmic Realm and why the "animals" there went wild? I mean... I feel like i'm really REALLY gonna hate that guy. :/

[graceful lion]

i mean it just seems like a jealous girlboss that the entirety of hell is cowering before one man

[plucky haven]

thier saving it for quake

[tropic adder]

Yep yep... that's the vibe I got.

[plucky haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVBI55DbNQI

[hollow sandal]

Lol bro's mad 😂

[real rose]

GOD that looks good

im particularly interested in seeing whats going on with that giant Wraith corpse

[terse beacon]

Looks fire🔥

[tropic adder]

I have a question regarding the PC specs for the game tho! Can someone give me an advice?

[real rose]

@graceful lion probably good for that

sorry for the ping

[hollow sandal]

What are you running? Gpu and cpu?

[graceful lion]

2060 super

atleast 8 gigs and raytracing capable card

(8 GIGS OF VRAM)

[real rose]

knew i could count on you

[tropic adder]

I have 2070 super RTX, I meet all the other requirements... except the processor. Mine is i7 8700
Is that going to be a prob? I don't care if I run it on lowest of low settings. xD

[graceful lion]

fuck off

[tropic adder]

Thanx tho for the link, I saw that. 😄

[graceful lion]

idk the processor is more important than the gpu tbh

lemme check if its enough

[plain iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1359878226310332620/doom-the-dark-ages-system-requirements-revealed-v0-b4uv2es2oxee1.png?ex=67fa664a&is=67f914ca&hm=6320781b4146614a5eb04f2c109150a3284b0e64cf92155181964af71deddf4c&

[hollow sandal]

What resolution is your monitor

[graceful lion]

you are way below minimum cpu it seems

https://imgur.com/a/07lsZeO

[hollow sandal]

Damn

[plain iron]

Awh well. A new CPU isn't that much

[graceful lion]

damn i have a way above cpu and you have a way above gpu, polar opposites 💔

[graceful lion]

if its from amd, sure

but please make sure the cpu you buy fits your board

[plain iron]

Just save money

[thorny yarrow]

I currently only have one NVMe drive and it's my C drive. I really don't want to have to upgrade my game disk into an NVMe. So even though they apparently didn't make it this way, after I initially play it and get into it I'm gonna move it to my SATA drive just to see if it really is nesseceary.

[tropic adder]

Think its 1920x1080?

[graceful lion]

like check your motherboard's name with hwinfo 64 and then check the socket for it, and check what cpus are compatible

[tropic adder]

Blah...

[plain iron]

Explodes

[tropic adder]

There goes my joy in May xD

[thorny yarrow]

I game 1080 but only because I like to run games at 144 fps. Just hope I can do that with Dark Ages. I imagine I ought to.

[graceful lion]

oh good luck running it then

it will be choppy loading new areas with a hard drive

[plain iron]

High frame rates gives me motion sickness lmao, I don't mind that I'll be limited to 60fps

[thorny yarrow]

Well my drives are SSD.

[plain iron]

Classic doom gives me motion sickness in particular, it's why I haven't played as much as I wished

[tropic adder]

Well... a sad day... And here I was considering preordering digital deluxe to play 2 days earlier. Guess not.

[real rose]

divinity pack my beloved

[plain iron]

Maybe if you can, get a second hand console? It might not be optimal but it's certainly a way

[tropic adder]

Borrow a PS5 from a friend and buy HER TDA. Lol, She doesnt even like Doom. xD

[graceful lion]

nvmes are many times faster, but you might be fine with a normal sata ssd

[tropic adder]

@graceful lion @hollow sandal btw thanx for the help 🙂

[thorny yarrow]

I do also have a software raid made up of two SATA SSDs. Wonder if that would offset it any further. XD

[rustic arch]

Do you guys think you can change the color of the projectiles? Im slightly red-green colorblind and in some clips i cant really tell the parriable and non parriable projectiles apart

[hard thistle]

The previous games had general colorblind settings

[real rose]

im sure there'll be some kind of visual aid like in DE

yknow just like changing the hues

[rustic arch]

I mean yeah but colorblind filters just look wierd to me as im not that colorblind, i'd like something similiar to valorant where you can change the color of the enemy outlines for example. Maybe a bit much to ask for but i just find colorblind filters to look wierd

[hard thistle]

Eternal was a little bit better about it I think you could adjust the intensity and stuff

[rustic arch]

Alright, ty

[real rose]

probably just the kind of thing you wont know until you have a look at setting in game
sorry i cant help more

[proud vine]

i might be able to run it at ultra ngl

[rustic arch]

yeah lol its alright

[proud vine]

just not at 4k

[rustic arch]

Yeah lmao, i got a 7800xt and a 1440p monitor so im hoping i can do ultra settings cus im a sucker for ray tracing and good visuaks

[proud vine]

mine goes up to 2k but i would like to have atleast 100 fps ngl

[rustic arch]

yeah i agree, less than 100 is defo too little for a title like this

[fleet spruce]

hello from handheld PC there

[proud vine]

doom the burning ages

[rustic arch]

i mean the game is set in hell right so mostly fitting

[barren iron]

kind of

[rustic arch]

you can feel the pain and suffering of the demons right in the palm of your hands!

[proud vine]

your pc will sure feel hell

[silent surge]

there’s a screenshot of the menu where a bunch of projectiles are changeable color wise

[rustic arch]

YESSS LETS GOO

[proud vine]

Hi Allstin!

[rustic arch]

I think blue would be a good color as its a base color and its not red nor green

[proud vine]

i would say yellow would be a better color since from what we saw the levels seems to use alot of blue

so it might blend in

[rustic arch]

Oohh yeah i guess, i just dont want piss yellow projectiles lol

[proud vine]

fair

[rustic arch]

maybe purple. Or actually isnt that new dimension revealed today purple?

or no its green

i cant remember

i just focused on the new demons

[silent surge]

hello!

[proud vine]

haven't saw it so i can't tell

[tranquil bluff]

hopefully the UI itself is as customizable as eternal

[silent surge]

it’ll be more probably.

[tranquil bluff]

nice

[proud vine]

im just gonna make mine bigger probably

[tranquil bluff]

1984

[silent surge]

@rustic arch check #screenshots

posted another one @rustic arch

spudhunter? was it who went through the menus

[rustic arch]

Thank you!

[snow lantern]

Fellas I have new gifs

Well only one actually dhehdhehjdjd

[fleet spruce]

Real, i mostly meet the minimum requirements, will have to settle for 720p with dynamic resolution and 30 fps lock on the go though

[proud vine]

also is it just me or the people that tried the game early barely used the super shotgun?

[true merlin]

Wait shield throw seek

So u can manual throw it or u can have it seek out enemies

[grim cloud]

so we see a blueish mancubus with a flag, demons seem to be enraged or buffed form that

[proud vine]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[grim cloud]

Then there is the red glow from Enforcer, which may jsut be a title or a demon or who knows

now can Red and Blue stack?

[true merlin]

How u like the new baro Zemi

[proud vine]

i wonder if we are gonna get master levels

[grim cloud]

it looks more like a shambler, so imma call it that for now.

[true merlin]

It’s the cosmic baron

[proud vine]

why is the cosmic baron a meme?

[true merlin]

That’s its name

[grim cloud]

baron is a title, but that cosmic baron is a hybrid between bruiser and shambler

[merry lion]

The timbler

[grim cloud]

i wonder which demon made the first move?

[merry lion]

Give him shoes

[fossil badger]

YEAHHHH

Cosmic Realm

[true merlin]

I like the new Baron sure a departure but a welcomed one

[proud vine]

the slayer is gonna write a new lovecraft book fr

[fossil badger]

22 LEVELS

[grim cloud]

i like seeing skin variations on the same demon type, esp if it means they are bosses or leaders

[fossil badger]

LETS GOOOOO

[fossil badger]

yeahh, the blue mancubus looks very cool

[grim cloud]

there is going to be a cyber-cosmic cacodemon isnt there?

[proud vine]

and they should be atleast an hour long each

[fossil badger]

thats the regular one

[true merlin]

I doubt 1 hour I think more then an hour

[proud vine]

i said atleast

[graceful lion]

3 mech levels and 4 dragon levels from the sounds of it

[fossil badger]

thats good to me

[graceful lion]

so 15 levels where its slayer only

[fossil badger]

i wonder how big the dlc will be

[grim cloud]

looks like the Komodo is wearing gold armor and more bluish skin in the last video

[graceful lion]

ifi had to guess, probably 6 levels

[proud vine]

i would say 4 mech levels

[graceful lion]

it is confirmed to be 3 mech 4 dragon by the sounds of it

[proud vine]

wait fr

[graceful lion]

or might be vice versa, either way

yeah 3 mech 4 dragon

.

[proud vine]

i do think we are gonna fight chtulu as a mech boss fight ngl

[silent surge]

wouldn’t surprise me if the atlan sections are tied into the levels themselves

dragon seems to be

[harsh egret]

remember the dragon levels are also on foot

[graceful lion]

and there wont be 15 minute levels like nekravol lol

[true merlin]

Highly likely

[silent surge]

booo 😦

[graceful lion]

and its also open world so its super open, and worldy

[grim cloud]

more ground combat the better,

[silent surge]

there’s linear levels too

[proud vine]

less talking more rip and tearing

[graceful lion]

yeah actually my uncle is hugo he told me theres actually a level split into 5 levels, like how nekravol was

[grim cloud]

linear and open levels are both awesome, im fine with mixing it up

[graceful lion]

well yeah but theres open onesaswell

[harsh egret]

the line from hugo about how they dont leave any feature unpolished, i hope that does apply for the dragon segments as well

im hoping for a pleseant surprise there

[merry sapphire]

they wanna make a quake remake so baddddddd

[harsh egret]

hugo stated he wants to make doom games for the rest of his career

[proud vine]

the build we saw was from 3 months ago so it might have changed a fair bit

[grim cloud]

until he is fucking 90

[harsh egret]

yeah but trust me 3 months isnt anything crazy

but it could also be that one section that was "boring"

[hollow sandal]

The gameplay show in today's new video?

[harsh egret]

people didnt play enough

[merry sapphire]

yea, they should rework that fr

[proud vine]

the one from the gameplays

[hollow sandal]

Oh ok

[grim cloud]

a lot of polish gets done during crunch, but no gameplay changes

[proud vine]

that is what i meant

it's probably gonna get a lot of polish

[grim cloud]

if dragon riding is dubious pn the 5 month old press engine, its going to be dubious at release. Not a whole lot they can do

[merry sapphire]

22 levels sounds insane but i hope they arent just short levels or literally just a one small open ended level

[graceful lion]

they wont be short levels or anything

[grim cloud]

Atlan levels will be short, unless it invovled grounded portions of it too

[graceful lion]

they took out multiplayer after all, its not gonna be "nekravol 1 and 2" kinda shit

[silent surge]

i thought hugo wasn’t as into Quake

[graceful lion]

well it probably will tbh

[silent surge]

his favorite doom game is doom 64

[grim cloud]

i hope that means Doom 64 Pain Elemental

[proud vine]

it shows

[harsh egret]

he did say he wants to make doom games for the rest of his career lol

[hollow sandal]

Please god

[proud vine]

he is doing that so far

[silent surge]

inb4 hugo follows the FIRE movement and retires next year

[graceful lion]

atlan mech is probably gonna be for either big demons doomguy cant fight normally and also traversal

[merry sapphire]

ray tracing and the exclusion of multiplayer would leave them alot of time and resources to make even more levels, so it is possible. but 22 levels sounds like ALOT. doom eternal with its 2 dlcs comes to a total of 19 levels (20 if you wanna count the dark lord level LOL) so you cant really blame me for being skeptical. hoping im wrong tho fr fr

[grim cloud]

if doomslayer can kill the icon of sin on foot, he can kill any titan

[silent surge]

plus sentinel prime

they’ve likely been at work on this for awhile

[graceful lion]

yeah RT saves alot of time and allows for impressive visuals

[merry sapphire]

yea but sentinal prime is like atleast a level you can actually walk around in with platforming, but idk u can really count it tbh. still a cool ass level

also holy shit allstin

[silent surge]

THERES OL DAD

[proud vine]

Allstin jumpscare

[grim cloud]

i hope they give us new game modes, maybe for DLC. I want HOrde mode ... actually everyone wants horde mode

[hollow sandal]

Dadstin

[silent surge]

i hate jumpscares!! ahh

[proud vine]

i don't really care about that ngl

[silent surge]

he is a nice guy

[merry sapphire]

they actually need to bring back horde mode later on that shit was so fun

[fossil badger]

this game canibalized Quake

omegalul

[proud vine]

doom the quake ages

[merry sapphire]

but they should actually implement a better "randomization" system rather than the quick time events demon being switched out every month

[grim cloud]

New Game+ is also something i hope for, give us the FULL kit and demons in the earlier levels. Maybe even some new demons to fight because ... why not?

[silent surge]

id like that

[merry sapphire]

isnt that basically master levels

[grim cloud]

random is important for horde mode

[proud vine]

master campaign

[grim cloud]

yes in a way, a master campaign

[graceful lion]

wouldnt really fit the story, probably gonna be modded in someday

[grim cloud]

But ... not nuts like the later Master Levells becasue jesus ... do that for New Game + +

[proud vine]

maybe not as crazy as some master level of eternals

[graceful lion]

nah i need kaisercampaign in tda

[grim cloud]

i agree, but you need ot reach newgame +3 for that nuts

[merry sapphire]

lowkey would be sick but id rather them stick to their old style of master levels, cause they treat each level as its own thing and add really fun twists and everything. them making it into a whole master campaign package might "streamline" it idk i might be reading too much into this

[proud vine]

the latest ones were diabolical

[merry sapphire]

kaisercampaign is so hard its genuinely unfun. also i really didn't like the new demons

[graceful lion]

its not that bad

im currently playing through it

[grim cloud]

I played a little of it. I prefered the Random mode, that was more interesting to me

[graceful lion]

and no imnot a 5000 hour god gamer who quickscopes a zombie that didnt spawn in

[grim cloud]

but if a archvile showed up too early, i would lose all my lives and die.

[graceful lion]

but if you look up the secrets its not that bad in the aerly games

also i really recommend doing the escalation encounters, very useful

[merry sapphire]

it gets to a point. like it genuinely feels like you're getting spammed with random demons in the most annoying patterns

[graceful lion]

also a cool thing is that kaiser_will got hired by id

[proud vine]

6 mancubus jumpscare

[graceful lion]

nope, isnt really like that to me tbh

[merry sapphire]

oh yeah i heard of that, im actually really happy for him this shit is so sick

[proud vine]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-jjk-gif-11309625488676784357

good for him tho

[graceful lion]

the master levels will make you master thyself

(iykyk)

[merry sapphire]

idk, i struggled alot with it and i beat ultra nightmare so it might be a skill issue to be honest

what level you at?

[graceful lion]

SGN on HMP

you can get your full arsenal in cultist base

[merry sapphire]

i probably should have disclosed that i played the mod on nightmare 😭

[graceful lion]

except bfg, you get one without tendrels in SGN

[graceful lion]

yeah it looks hellish on nightmare

[merry sapphire]

it really is

half the time i dont even know what killed me

[proud vine]

https://tenor.com/view/tadc-why-are-you-like-this-the-amazing-digital-circus-caine-gif-8964937870592899060

[graceful lion]

i do NOT wanna deal with that slow zombie with a buff totem that makes everything on crack and an instakill

[proud vine]

the crack zombie

[merry sapphire]

i think i reached doom hunter base and stopped there but honestly its been years so i dont really remember

[proud vine]

the crambie

[merry sapphire]

is the mod streamlined on the official mod support launcher

[graceful lion]

yes

[grim cloud]

empowered demons should make a return to TDA, thats would be a neat feature.

[merry sapphire]

did it add new ui stuff like the mod starts to look official or is it like the same look as before

[graceful lion]

we already have like 2 empowered versions of demons already

formations and uhh the other ones

[proud vine]

3 if you count the armored variants

[graceful lion]

well its the same as before, just a mod portal i think, could be wrong tho

theres 2 versions for whatever reason

[grim cloud]

i meant demons that level up when they skill a slayer and "invade" another players campaign

it never got completed in Doom Eternal

[merry sapphire]

wait why