the-dark-ages

[grim cloud]

New game mode, where the earlier levels ahve the full roster, and perhaps even more enemies are added later, kinda like Master Levels

Then new game ++ can be more like a master level campaign. Maybe even new harder demon variants because more demons

[boreal pecan]

we killing cthulu? 😭😭😭

[graceful lion]

some sort of lovecraftian monster, i dont think its gonna be something as strong as cthulhu tho

[boreal pecan]

i mean he looks exactly like cthulu

[graceful lion]

well its definiely some sort of doom cthulhu which is weaker than doomguy

[boreal pecan]

lol

[wooden acorn]

Objective: destroy the horse nests 0/4

[hard thistle]

I think it's 5 PM pst on the 12th, that's what it shows for me on the Xbox page

[winter idol]

hmm, so 8 pm for me

[frail bloom]

Yo I hope the female choir that plays during the trailer also plays ontop of the main riff for unholy siege, as a sort of melody

[graceful tulip]

Why is it always pst and never the local time zone

[scenic lichen]

Damn not midnight?

Sad.

[silent surge]

he will be playing too

[frail bloom]

Speaking of music I saw some ppl call it ai generated...

[scenic lichen]

Meant time

[frail bloom]

Jesus

[winter idol]

thats rage bait

[scenic lichen]

I think doom eternal released on midnight march 20th in 2020

[winter idol]

doom eternal didnt have a worldwide release

it was midnight in every timezone

[frail bloom]

No like they said it sounded ai generated not that it is, like an insult

[scenic lichen]

Oooooooooh ok

Cool

[winter idol]

still feels like rage bate

[frail bloom]

Ya never know with the doom fanbase

[winter idol]

no point in getting mad over trolls

[frail bloom]

I'm not mad, just tired

[grim cloud]

ill be playing Wed night at 5pm PST. Ill be pretty tipsy by then. I have a good wine to open. Château Lafite Rothschild

But i hope there is a non spoiler chat for us peasents who do not have EA

[frail bloom]

Anyways I love the female choir and I predict that it's the main melody that's gonna play during the main riff for unholy seige

@vapid lodge what did you think of unholy siege?

The newer track

[silent surge]

i was just messin’

[frail bloom]

I also noticed that fm gets more excited with each piece they play. They're barely moving during unchained predator and in unholy siege they're just havin' a jam

[scenic lichen]

Lmaooo

[vapid lodge]

Slaps

Bfg 10k vibes a little

[frail bloom]

Yippee

Glad you liked it

[grim cloud]

seems like the most fair approach, i dont remember

[frail bloom]

I think they're gonna overlap the choir with the militaristic riff to give the slayer that type of godsend figure

I haven't heard them together and I know for a fact that they are meant to be together

[grim cloud]

looking at my chat history, it was releases at 9pm PST. I think 2016 was a midngiht release maybe

but i have the whole day planned by the minute

[silent surge]

i just hope we don’t get a delay

no reason to believe it will

[grim cloud]

too late to delay, if anything we get a prob with drivers

past the point of no return

[ionic garnet]

Nah its too late for a delay now, especially with such good opinion after the playtests

[grim cloud]

But no doubt the people at iD are going through the CRUNCH! sleepless nights, stress, angry wives/husbands, booze, hitting the slopes

[fast sage]

I'm adding Azhrak and the Deags as Asmodeus's disciples in my D&D campaign.

[frail bloom]

The komodo is actually super aggresive lol

5 seconds of footage and he just beelines for the slayer

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-battle-worthy-opponent-finally-a-worthy-opponent-our-battle-will-be-legendary-gif-14616660

Cuz all the other demons are dum dum except for the tyrant

[ionic garnet]

Which ones the komodo?

[frail bloom]

Lemme get an image

[scenic lichen]

a giant lizard with a chainsaw spear

metal asf

[frail bloom]

#screenshots message

[ionic garnet]

I did not see that that thing looks so cool

[frail bloom]

Image a bit blurry cuz he was straight spassin

Possibly my favorite demon so far

With imp stalker as second obviously

Well we have all the known demons revealed besides the cosmic baron

And some other tentacle demon

What is ID hiding

[merry lion]

Pain elemental

[frail bloom]

I'm still waiting for the other guys

Poor chaingunners never got a revival

Those dumass riot soldiers don't count

[grim cloud]

no they dont, need chaingunners, or a version of whatever minions they have for TDA to do that

Spider Mastermind as a mini boss

they hinted taht all of them will be in tda, we'll see

[frail bloom]

Certainly possible as demons have chainguns in tda and we see several grunts so it's possible

They should be bald this time lmao

[grim cloud]

Have not seen a good shot of the Lost Soul, and I still think that one is just a tyrant projectile

[frail bloom]

The lost soul from tne dev direct looks like it's own thing

[frail bloom]

The tyrant projectile is a yellow black skull no where near the same thing

[ionic garnet]

How I wish one of the melee weapons was a heavy two hander like the sentinal hammer or crucible

[torpid sable]

Man I wish I could play dark ages when it comes out…too broke tho💀

[hard thistle]

@plain iron A note on your Imp Stalker / Archvile mention: The Doom wiki claims that the Imp Stalkers in TDA use the Archvile death sound from the classic games as their pain sound.

[wooden acorn]

Delayed to May 16th

[hard thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121477880199794698/1364330902812889158/800px-Doom2016_SoulCube_ArgentDNur.png?ex=680947ab&is=6807f62b&hm=e8c2dfbfda874db68f704122b25fc56c4bc5d99c2c3f3154e94f9f3c84728c11&
@warm ibex If you're interested, I just realized the exact texture for the Martian Hero's glyph in Doom 3 can be found in Doom 2016 after coming across this on the wiki. To me this is essentially a soft confirmation that the Martians and Argenta are one and the same; could lend merit to the aforementioned theory about Doomguy as the Martian Hero.

Can't believe I never saw this while playing.

[frail bloom]

Wow so it connects

Was it intentional tho

[hard thistle]

That is literally the exact thing you see in Doom 3. Like they outright took this from Doom 3 and put it in 2016. It's not just them making a glyph that looks similar, it is outright using the same asset.

[frail bloom]

Y'know I wish I could meet the writing team cuz all I get is lore drops from hugo

Or not meet lol just hear them talk or whatever

Cuz Hugo is a goof

[grim cloud]

PSA: there might be TDA Artbooks in the wild, prepare for spoilers and be careful.

[frail bloom]

How?

How did you hear

[grim cloud]

I think some CE shipments already went out for some people

[frail bloom]

But it's only digital is it not?

[grim cloud]

I dont know, let me check

You might be correct, Digital Artbook. I thought it came with a physical one

[frail bloom]

Phew

If it's a good suprise I want it to be one I get excited for

[grim cloud]

well there were a lot of Demons in teh Eternal one that didn't make it in. Like the hell knight variants. Where are those Hell Knights at Hugo?

[frail bloom]

Ye give me that classic hell knight reskin

It's weird cuz it's not actually one, just a reskin

Like the 2016 baron

[grim cloud]

i want all those reskins, i want them, i want to blow them apart with the super shot gun. why didn't you put those in the game iD?

[frail bloom]

Time restraints I guess, and possibly the reasoning being that they want their demons to stand out from another for each release

[grim cloud]

well that tortures me

[frail bloom]

But we can all agree that the classic baron should be in the game🙏

[scenic lichen]

baron archie and pain elemental i pray 🙏

[frail bloom]

At least I want them to

[grim cloud]

I hope to get them modded into Eternal, when i have time, but ill need help

[frail bloom]

I wish 2016 had customizable demons in snapmap, I hated it when I made bosses and I had to change the level color just to make it look different

I saw some wizadry with people attaching skulls and adding flames but c'mon...

[frail bloom]

Chaingunners too if they can🙏

[scenic lichen]

goatgunners 🔥

making tnt evilution as annoying as possible

[warm ibex]

I've also never seen that, damn. wonder if it actually means anything or if it's just like a cool callback. I'd like to imagine that it does have a purpose

[merry lion]

The Plutonia gang

[hard thistle]

Whether it's just a callback or has a purpose, I think, would depend on the location. The wiki claims it's in Argent D'Nur, but wikis are unreliable and I'll have to look myself. I can't tell if that's the Argent D'Nur level or not from the screencap.

If it's in the actual Argent D'Nur level then that's a pretty damning direct tie between the Argenta and the Martians. If it's in any of the other Hell levels then it's just another Doom 3 reference.

[warm ibex]

Yeah I unfortunately don't recognize that location based on the very limited screenshot

[frail bloom]

It looks like argent dnur, kadingar is too yellow and both the titans realm and necropolis are blue so it leaves argent' dnur

I'll try looking today if I can

[cobalt fog]

So I get 2 day early access for peak ages, does it just automatically download that day or do get emailed a code

I’m on Xbox

I got the premium edition

[frail bloom]

It probably just takes a while to download

Cuz it's really large

[cobalt fog]

Well no shit

[frail bloom]

I've never preordered so do they usually send codes

[wooden acorn]

I think so? Might be in a card in the box

[cobalt fog]

I didn’t preorder online

[wooden acorn]

That’s argent dnur yea, u can see the well in the sky

[cobalt fog]

I preordered from my Xbox

[wooden acorn]

Ah, might be available for download then?

[cobalt fog]

I’m asking if my preorder is a automatic download or a code

I bought it on my Xbox

[wooden acorn]

Download I’d assume, but you may have to start it yourself

[cobalt fog]

I preordered monster hunter wilds before and got it at 12 at night but idk if this one works differently

I also saw some digital code on Xbox somewhere but it doesn’t make sense as I’ve never had that happen before

[spiral cypress]

I JUST SAW DOOM TDA OFFICIAL TRAILER IM IN LOVE BRO

[cobalt fog]

The 2nd one?

[wooden acorn]

The 3rd one, they’re from the future

[spiral cypress]

latest one

1 day ago

[plain iron]

Oh shit, I didn't even know that. I really hope that it's not just a place holder sound 😭

[frail bloom]

Idk it seems intentional

Like why dig up the classic archie sound y'know and use it for a demon that looks similar to eternals archvile

[formal root]

maybe imps evolved into archviles in eternal?

[plain iron]

That's my theory, or something similar

[formal root]

I mean, the fingers are starting to look real close to archie’s fingers

their body texture as well

[frail bloom]

I don't know abt that since eternals archviles are old, m0no's graph looked more fitting

[formal root]

m0no’s graph?

[frail bloom]

Yeah it suggested that imp stalkers and eternals archviles come from a common ancestor

Lemme find it

[formal root]

the arch-imp

[frail bloom]

Or classic archie

[formal root]

the chimp

[plain iron]

Here's the idea I had last night

[frail bloom]

Actually there was a vid by ranoake gaming that suggested archviles were on all fours so you're not far off

[formal root]

oh yeah

[frail bloom]

Actually sorta far off but it's similar

[formal root]

I always took modern imps as like chimps from hell

they climb on stuff

usually run on all fours and then on their legs

[frail bloom]

Like m0no's graph?

[frail bloom]

Now they have luxurious hair

[plain iron]

Yup, kinda different tho

[formal root]

oooh I wonder if they went from gray to orange because of hell’s tenperatures

and the hair got scorched off

[frail bloom]

My favorite iteration, it's 2016 with hair and really beautiful grey tones

[frail bloom]

Ye that's a good theory

[formal root]

they also seem to not have their body spikes aswell

[frail bloom]

Like fireborne barons in some way

[frail bloom]

Oh wait i didn't notice

[formal root]

no yea

they lack body spikes

[frail bloom]

Oh ye I see that

Or don't

[formal root]

hold on

[frail bloom]

So they lacked spikes, were gray and had hair but in 2016 they were orange, grew some horns and lost hair

[formal root]

yee

[frail bloom]

And in eternal they grew more spikes

[formal root]

wait

OH WAIT

THEY DON’T EVEN HAVE LIKE PLATING ON THEM NEITHER

[frail bloom]

Weird why is that

[formal root]

2016 IMPS HAVE LIKE SORTA SHELL ON THEM

[frail bloom]

You should ask m0no

We made a mini discovery

[formal root]

@hard thistle I ask for answers

why do the modern from dark ages have hair and lack spikes, but the ones from 2016 and eternal have spikes, lack hair and have plating on them?

and are orange too?

[frail bloom]

Did the chimp imps even originate in hell?

[formal root]

I saw a roanoke’s cacodemon video that brings the theory that they used to be land animals

[frail bloom]

Cuz if not the species mighta been corrupted and over time turned into the perfect front line fodder unit

[formal root]

because of their 4 legs

and how lazarus waves might have made them unsuable because the cacodemons float

[frail bloom]

So what demons do originate?

The classic ones for sure

[formal root]

I feel like a lot of those demons might have been davoth’s people

[frail bloom]

So the Mancubus, Tyrant, Imp-Stalker

Would be demons originating from hell

Cuz they're the classic demons

[formal root]

yee

while like hell knights, imps, barons summoners would have been like davoth’s people

[frail bloom]

Where's m0no I need confirmation

[formal root]

modern pinkies, cacodemons and gargoyles might have been animals

and the tentacles might have been fauna

[frail bloom]

So cool

[formal root]

it all makes sense

everything got so corrupted

it just kinda, mutated for the new environment

[plain iron]

Fauna and animals are the same thing lmao

[formal root]

fauna as plants

my bad

[plain iron]

... flora.

[formal root]

IM DUMB AGH

[plain iron]

Flora are plants

[formal root]

fauna are animals

[frail bloom]

No you're a genius

[formal root]

cause the gore growth that’s seen in hell on earth

if we look at like stuff irl

you can say its like mold

the more something dies, it spreads

and grows

making gore nests

or its like a plant

meat is soil, it forms roots

and the gore nest is the flower

[frail bloom]

I'm glad we're getting codexes, imma read all it all and look at the cool pictures

[formal root]

gore nests are pretty much big ass weeds made of meat

[frail bloom]

Hopefully the model viewer doesn't have that cookie-cutter lighting in eternal

Cuz it detriments how the game actually looks

[formal root]

and the tentacles are like branches with thorns

[frail bloom]

Someone said they ain't the same imps?

[formal root]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-norman-osborn-you-know-im-something-of-a-scientist-myself-smiling-gif-24183196

[formal root]

oh i’m talking about tentacles

also

[frail bloom]

No in screenshots

Look

[frail bloom]

STOP COOKING🙏 🙏

[formal root]

IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT MORE

LISTEN

THE GORE NEST HAS ROOTS RIGHT?

IT HAS A HEART

[spare panther]

This is in argent d'nur, just checked

[uneven mortar]

Hell is sentient in the lore, so gore nests r probably fauna

[frail bloom]

Bro you gotta collect this info and share it to m0no stop making breakthroughs😭 🙏

[formal root]

I like to think like

you know how corals are animals?

or like living things

gore nests could honestly be meat corals for what we know

shit, meat anemones actually

cause they EAT ASWELL

[frail bloom]

Tomato tomatoe

[formal root]

hell is very interesting if we look at its biology

[frail bloom]

Ye I hope we get more info cuz in 2016 we had like 3 diff pages on individual demons but in eternal it's just one page per demon

Like I wanna know more!

[formal root]

Really weird thing tho

gargoyles are said to be cousins of the imps

but are originated from sentinel territory

so could like hell mutated a type of like animal in argenta?

[frail bloom]

Imp bretheren probably implies their rank as fodder not that they're related

[formal root]

ah true true

[frail bloom]

Or maybe it's not that gargoyles are related to imps, rather imps are related to gargoyles

[hard thistle]

Different species of Imp.

[formal root]

from the ones from 2016?

[hard thistle]

That's great news.

[hard thistle]

Any of them. The design differences between all the games can be explained as evolution or different species. They outright say this with some of them, or at least heavily imply it.

[formal root]

ahhh

damn

its all subspecies I guess

(some)

[glad crystal]

so the imp from dark ages either went extinct or just became that

[formal root]

most likely extinct

[frail bloom]

Ye we don't see them anymore

[formal root]

the gladiator is an original hell knight, and he was the last

[glad crystal]

i see

[formal root]

so yeah, a lot went into a mass extinction event

[frail bloom]

Weird cuz the manc and tyrant were still kicking and they were from the original games

[formal root]

(the event being doomguy)

[frail bloom]

Imps just got unlucky

[formal root]

a codex does say that they are subspecies

so maybe some went into hiding

[hard thistle]

Or they are coming from a geological location in Hell that is simply irrelevant past TDA.

[formal root]

yeah

maybe the classic demons are from a region of hell

[glad crystal]

the cyberdemon is doom 2016 is also different yet we don;t see more of his kind

[formal root]

like how the doom hunters were from cold parts of earth as stated in eternal

and seem like a subspecies of the aggadon hunter

[frail bloom]

Actually that makes more sense how the hell would the slayer make an entire race of demons extinct where he supposedly killed thousands of them already in the classic games and by tda there are still large numbers of them

[glad crystal]

weren't the doom hunters from the telos realm

[frail bloom]

We see more skulls of balgaars but not more than one

[formal root]

originated from

and found on earth

so they migrated…

what the fuck happened at the telos realm man

[frail bloom]

Hell?

[glad crystal]

idk hope we get lore on that

[formal root]

you think hell found that dimesion and took ov-

its hell isn’t it? its hell

[frail bloom]

Ye

[glad crystal]

well that explains the demonic face

[frail bloom]

Prob like how they took argent d'nur

In 2016

Just swallowed it

[formal root]

reminds me of how phobos got literally dragged to hell

in og doom

[frail bloom]

Ye it's been there since doom 1 that's a cool detail

[uneven dragon]

i'm pretty sure that is a different one but it's still the soul cube

[glad crystal]

is it still there

[formal root]

not sure

but the demons piss on the moon in eternal

[uneven dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/699506065854824531/1364372971925278740/image.png?ex=68096ed9&is=68081d59&hm=732f5202c3581405278807785877479537e071b5cb9ac0e0dbdd68bf70eefa2c& yeah its a diff asset

[hard thistle]

Ah, hmm.

Well I'd argue that supports this even more - the fact that they went out of their way to recreate the asset rather than just plop it in.

[plain iron]

It's probably recreated bcs they're not putting the crusty doom 3 textures in 2016

[tidal flare]

I hope Dark Ages, after seeing the way it looks, opens up possibilities for a new QUAKE, Hexen, or Heretic sequel. 🙂

[formal root]

I wonder if deimos got invaded by demons

[plain iron]

Oh it did lmao

[formal root]

ah

[tidal flare]

I especially want to see a QUAKE 5 that plays like 1 and 2!

[plain iron]

It was like. A whole thing in the manual

[frail bloom]

What would they realistically do for quake honestly

[formal root]

oh damn, didn’t know

[plain iron]

Lemme see if i can find it

[frail bloom]

Maybe rocket jumping

[hard thistle]

Not to be that guy, but it's the other one. Deimos was dragged into Hell - Phobos was intact.

[formal root]

aaaaah

[frail bloom]

Oops ye

[formal root]

thank you

[tidal flare]

Just say the Strogg came back and used dark space magic to bring back Shub-N*ggurasth and all the Cthulhu shit.

[formal root]

y’all think deimos is still in hell?

[frail bloom]

No not in terms of story, in terms of gameplay

[hard thistle]

It 100% is, and 2016 actually includes a detail to support this.

[frail bloom]

Cuz eternal plays like quake already

[formal root]

https://tenor.com/view/may-i-see-it-chalmers-gif-18367950853266778478

[tidal flare]

Id can just look at their work on the new D00M games, AND Quake 1 and 2 on Steam, which they clearly still support, because they both got graphical updates.

[glad crystal]

it could be from the bfg

like a miss fire and it hits it

[tidal flare]

Also yes, Rocket Jumping, AND Quad damage

[hard thistle]

Okay, well, to be a stickler for accuracy, Deimos itself was probably not dragged into Hell so much as a huge portion of the planet comprising the base the UAC built there. The intermission screen depicts a landmass rather than an entire planet.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121477880199794698/1364373985961181335/Doom-Unity-VICTORY2.png?ex=68096fcb&is=68081e4b&hm=cce7e09f4c4466a251379d45b9985a0d2327a7be22966c13024822f932016631&

[frail bloom]

Quad damage is in doom

Ya see what I mean

[tidal flare]

I know, but it'll really feel at home in a QUAKE sequel.

[formal root]

oooooh

so a chunk of deimos got dragged

[glad crystal]

which part of hell is it located tho

[formal root]

who knows honestly

[tidal flare]

Also EVERYONE knows QUAKE is too much like D00M, a lot of todays great Indie shooters look too much like D00M.

[formal root]

hell is so big there could be like 100 regions

[glad crystal]

also what if doom original universe was invaded

[frail bloom]

I understand, but they need a brand name that's instantly recognizable and for their products to be different from one another. Cuz if the next quake game played like eternal, then it's eternal 2

[glad crystal]

again without us knowing what happened

[frail bloom]

I would absolutely love to play a new quake tho

[tidal flare]

THEY DO!!! "Q"

[formal root]

oh it was

if we think about it, the slayer experienced 2 “hell on earth” events

[hard thistle]

Doom 2016's Codex file on the Spider Mastermind:

The first Project Lazarus Tethering Operation (MTC 2146/351) retrieved a small compendium from the Umbral Plains in the crypt of a destroyed tower of unknown construction (artifact reference PL E2M8).
E2M8, if you will remember, is the Tower of Babel level in Doom 1993, wherein you fight the Cyberdemon. Throughout Episode 2, you see the demons progressively building the Tower of Babel as you complete each level. This Codex file is implying the Modern UAC found the Tower of Babel, and rather than on a floating landmass, it's on Hell's actual ground. It seems the absorbed chunk of Deimos was dragged down onto the surface and assimilated into the area that would become the Umbral Plains.

[plain iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1364374475885248612/image0.jpg?ex=6809703f&is=68081ebf&hm=1f4f4faee470c4b43dd7204f20f38c4af45921b53a129f73c3164af635c8abf8&

Excuse for the giant ass space, PDFs don't like me.

[tidal flare]

The Quake spike Q

[frail bloom]

Maybe they're testin the waters for it

[glad crystal]

i know but since doom is not there anymore what if it got invaded again

[formal root]

thats really fucking cool

oh my god?

deimos just became a part of hell

[tidal flare]

Exactly, that's what I've been SAYING, Dark Ages is the beta test for seeing if there's still enthusiasm for games like QUAKE, Hexen or Heretic!

[plain iron]

They fuckin stole deimos. Can't have shit

[frail bloom]

Still, Idk if I want the mystery dimension to be quake

[tidal flare]

NOT even in the pits of eternal damnation... XD

[frail bloom]

It depends on how it fits

[tidal flare]

NOT even in Perdition... XD Ok I'm done.

[hard thistle]

Hell does this routinely; it's the secondary purpose of invasion. They invade a place, Hellgrowth infests it and terraforms the area, and then it's sucked out of that reality and absorbed into Hell. They did this to several areas in Argent D'Nur; those areas comprise the Umbral Plains. (i.e. the Hell part of Exultia, the Argent D'Nur level in 2016.)

[glad crystal]

so the modern uac found the uac base of demios in hell and that is how they entered hell

[plain iron]

Fuck you steals ur land like the British

[hard thistle]

When you see a level in Doom Eternal such as Hell on Earth, with the red sky and lava and blood, that's an area being actively terraformed by Hell, and it will eventually be absorbed into Hell entirely. (That is, if the Slayer doesn't stop the invasion.)

[formal root]

ooh actually, little curious

does hell corrupt fauna and flora aswell?

and if it corrupts flora

what does it become?

[tidal flare]

They be smokin' that gold encrusted corncob Pipe in Redcoats, man, you right.

[hard thistle]

Probably. Hell corrupts everything. Though it's probably more like degradation. People corrupted by Hell mutate into monsters, and it's implied some of the demon species you fight are actually species from other worlds that were assimilated and eventually became demons.

[formal root]

doesn’t help that in some concept art for dark ages, hell armies literally come out of like ships

[hard thistle]

Certain details can arguably imply Hell even corrupts inanimate objects, depending on if you think the Unmaykr or the Unmaker came first - plus the Demonic Crucible.

[plain iron]

Jfc hell really is just Britain

[plain iron]

I assumed the demonic crucible was Davoth's sword lmao

[formal root]

I feel the unmaker came first

maykrs saw it on doomguy’s interdimensional pouch

made their own

slayer steals it

or samur

[hard thistle]

It isn't a bad one, but I find it more likely it's a trophy from Argent D'Nur's defeat. Note the wording of 2016's objective - it doesn't say to "find the Crucible," but to "take back the Crucible."

[plain iron]

Samur is a little shit, he would do that.

[formal root]

samur would steal the unmaykr and be like

“in case one of the maykrs go rogue”

[hard thistle]

The Titan's Realm and Necropolis may look cavernous and abandoned, but it's not - it's a trophy hall. Hell worships the area as essentially a museum of trophies from lands they've conquered. A Crucible from Argent D'Nur would be a prize artifact of such a place, and its hellish appearance can be chalked up to Hell corruption.

[plain iron]

Hrr you have a point. Iirc we do see Davoth with some crucible looking sword in a codex image

[formal root]

and in fact, one of the maykrs did go rogue!

[glad crystal]

yeah khan mayker

[plain iron]

Samur is the only maykr who can go rogue 😭

Yeah well she don't count.

[glad crystal]

it's cause doom destroyed the father life sphere

[formal root]

khan maykr literally brought the icon of the demons to urdak

[uneven dragon]

i wish they kept the original plans for nekravol to be babel

[formal root]

demons cannot step on urdak, she broke them rules

[hard thistle]

Personally, I can see why they scrapped it since it kinda contradicts some lore shit they were wanting. But it would've been cool nonetheless.

[glad crystal]

she stupid

[formal root]

and as we can see, the demons thrashed urdak thanks to her doings

[plain iron]

... no, that's not why. Samur went rogue way earlier than that. Like. When he blessed the slayer.

[uneven dragon]

if they were worried about contradictions i think they were a little too late for that 😭

[plain iron]

Tbf the seraphs went rogue way earlier as well

[uneven dragon]

i would've preferred they kept erebus at least and not had

[formal root]

I tought those worthy were taken to the divinity machine

[plain iron]

The whole battle of isonkast

[uneven dragon]

whatever tf kalibas is

lame af miniboss

[hard thistle]

If I had to pick any classic Doom area I'd want to see in a modern game, though, it'd be Dis. Dis looks like a big tower with rings around it in the original game's intermission screen, but Eternal's art book calls it a collective of spire cities. It seems like a futuristic Hell city, one that isn't Immora. Super interesting.

[plain iron]

Iirc they built the divinity machine to find the "dark one"

[uneven dragon]

they didnt even go back and give him a codex entry it just flashes "CODEX ENTRY - KALIBAS" on your screen over and over even though there's no entry

[formal root]

elaborate…

i’m interested

[frail bloom]

No use beating a dead horse, but yes he was lame

[plain iron]

I'll look for the codex entries n shit, I don't do sentinel lore lmao

[hard thistle]

The Divinity Machine's purpose (as far as the Khan was concerned) was to purify Sentinels by eradicating them, basically. Samur reverses its polarity and blesses the Slayer with it.
The Khan was obsessed with a prophecy detailing that one of the Sentinels was destined to rebel against her. This was implanted in her mind by Davoth, but it ended up being true - the Slayer was it, and with the Divinity Machine it was self-fulfilling.

[plain iron]

Maykr architecture is so pretty

[hard thistle]

Davoth orchestrated all this, so it all went according to plan. But from the Khan's perspective, a purification device made to root out Sentinels and detect the "Malicious One" had its purpose reversed by Samur, and instead was used to create him.

[frail bloom]

Yo what were the plotholes again I wanna laugh

Cuz all of this before sounds really cool

[formal root]

[plain iron]

A Drone being in a slayergate.

[frail bloom]

How damaging

I bet it ruined the story huh

[plain iron]

Mildly so. They're not able to leave urdak

[formal root]

explained: plothole

simple answer: hell

[frail bloom]

More plotholes

I want more

[formal root]

“shit its hell, its gonna be hell, isn’t it?”

[plain iron]

Well. We also see another drone outside urdak in the new TDA trailer

[formal root]

these fucking maykrs breaking their own rules bruh

[frail bloom]

Are you sure it's a mayker drone or a different type of drone made

Like cuz he talks

[uneven dragon]

they also show up in immora 🤷‍♀️

[formal root]

something tells me it was kreed’s voice

[plain iron]

Well, they can't leave urdak because they're physically immature, and can't withstand the process of leaving urdak.

[frail bloom]

I've only heard mayker drowns yell

[uneven dragon]

arent drones also enemies in The World Spear

[plain iron]

Zwoop zworps :]

[frail bloom]

No cuz I saw his head movement sync with his words

[formal root]

blood maykrs yell too

when you kill them

but they yell

[frail bloom]

Well maybe he's special

[hard thistle]

Some contradictions/plotholes in Eternal, of varying importance:

• Hayden incorrectly claims Taras Nabad was the first invasion on Argent D'Nur. The Codex claims it was the Argentian Overlands, then Telorum - Taras Nabad wasn't invaded until long after the war started.
• The Icon of Sin is treated as if it's the mutated form of Valen's son, or was created by the ritual. This is wrong - the Icon was resurrected and given physical form by Valen's son's heart, which is both evident by its prior existence in Doom II as well as wording in the Lorebook.
• Maykr Drones in the Urdak level, if we go by lore, should be red and mutated a-la the Blood Maykrs in TAG1, as they are supposed to be corrupted by the Icon's awakening.
• The Slayer's immortal lifespan is supposed to be unique to him, but Valen is inexplicably alive after several billion years after the events in Argent D'Nur. This is not explained.
• Neither is it explained how Valen and his army got into Immora in TAG2.

[plain iron]

They also might not be yelling lmao, it might be how the maykr language sounds

[uneven dragon]

well actually

the drones in the khan maykr fight are red

and that's post icon awakening

[hard thistle]

Yes, but not any before or after this.

[frail bloom]

wonder why they didn't keep it

[formal root]

yeah

[uneven dragon]

the ones in immora should've been yeah

[frail bloom]

I mean these aren't bad really

[plain iron]

Maybe the other drones weren't close enough maybe

[grim cloud]

So i bought the normal edition, i assume i could buy premium later?

[hard thistle]

The red Drones are unique specifically to her boss fight. Ideally they would've been this way by default, since the Drones canonically aren't enemies until you wake the Icon in Urdak.

[uneven dragon]

also the "red drone" thing seems to just be a rank or smth given theres a red drone in tda

[plain iron]

Mhm.

[formal root]

mhm

[frail bloom]

I heard of eternal's story as this garbage but it's pretty decent

[uneven dragon]

i imagine the corruption wasnt instantaneous

[frail bloom]

Not too much character development tho

[plain iron]

Samur is the goober and I'll defend him to the end of time

[formal root]

I like to think that hell corruption is both psychological and biological

first, the devil whispers in your ear

and then, your body changes

[uneven dragon]

TAG 2 just doesn't make any sense

why is valen just some random ghost hologram projection for a little bit

[formal root]

hell just uses psychological warfare way more me thinks

[frail bloom]

Eh who cares

[plain iron]

It's a projection so he wouldn't need to be there 💀

[frail bloom]

Doom is so outlandish when it comes to rules it doesn't matter

[plain iron]

It's the same w novik lmao

[formal root]

(literally using valen’s dead son for him to betray his fellow soldiers)

[uneven dragon]

novik still being alive is a little odd

why didnt he show up for tag 2 then

[plain iron]

Sentinels might just live for a metric fuckton amount of time

[formal root]

maybe the slayer did what he didn’t do?

and yknow, took care of his unfinished business

[formal root]

they are aliens so

[frail bloom]

I thought it was some hell warping time stuff that made him live long

[hard thistle]

The story isn't garbage, it's just kinda amateur at points. The biggest problem with it is a very warped idea of how important plot points should be told to the player. Unimportant shit is on-screen when it should be in the Codex (Nobody cares about a canon reason for the Ripatorium existing) and actual important shit that should be in-game is relegated to Codex files (how did the invasion start? What happened to Samuel? How long has the invasion been going on?)

I prefer its story over 2016's, because 2016's is generic as shit. But 2016 told that story better. It's a tradeoff.

[plain iron]

I like to believe Samuel fell down some stairs.

[hard thistle]

The Sentinels are actually human, or very close to it. They're our ancestors.

[frail bloom]

Wish more people see what you have to say cuz it's genuinley interesting

[plain iron]

Their character writing is good at some parts imo

[frail bloom]

Tda is shaping up to be a perfect marriage of the two so it might be my favorite doom game

Just off of story alone

[formal root]

oh!

[hard thistle]

I personally doubt this, and if it were true I'd be annoyed by it. A core tenet of the Argenta as a culture is that they were terrified of the finality of death, and the cold nature of the Wraiths did little to comfort them. The Maykrs were able to subjugate them and take over their culture by preying on this fear and promising life after death. I personally don't think this would line up with them having huge lifespans.
I like to think Valen's lived so long because of Hell cursing him or some shit.

[plain iron]

They endeared the slayer to us really well, but he's still is a Mary Sue

[uneven dragon]

or Valen has just been alive so long cause he's been chilling in Hell

[frail bloom]

Not now with tda I hope he gets his ass whooped

I wanna see him scare people

[uneven dragon]

King Novik should've been explained on screen ICL

[hard thistle]

I appreciate it. This is the main place I post this stuff. I try to comment on the Doom subreddit sometimes but all the big lore posts go under the radar to me until they've already been passed by.

[plain iron]

I presumed it had sometime to do w the weird chest thing that some sentinels have

[hard thistle]

I also have a theory about this, and I like it even though it's definitely just to explain TAG2 contradicting itself thanks to COVID.

[frail bloom]

Really changed my look on it

[plain iron]

Argent energy hell fuckin yeah

[formal root]

I wonder if its because he’s still like og doomguy mindset

“shoot demon, demon not dead, OH SHIT”

[stoic sleet]

Are u able to crack 90s in tda?

[sonic turret]

Because he's projecting from Hell I guess.

[plain iron]

Mm... trauma..

[frail bloom]

Ye I hope the slayer gets his ass handed to him on his own shield saw

[plain iron]

He's a severely mentally ill dude, he's just not written well in that regard yk?

[stoic sleet]

How doea valen even get an army to immora if the ONLY portal to inmora is divum

[hard thistle]

Mainly that Hologram Ghosts aren't ghosts, but "sentient recordings." The Argenta copy their consciousnesses onto a device that displays a hologram of them, and it's somewhat self aware. Being terrified of death, they would logically be kind of obsessed with a comforting way of still being able to see your loved ones - or to feel like death doesn't have to be the end.
Under this explanation, Valen having a Hologram Ghost does not mean he died, but rather he used one as a copy and left it behind to give the Slayer the hammer.

[formal root]

yeaaaah

[frail bloom]

It would be cool if we see a scene where he looks at a photo of his family and he presumably kept it in his suit

[formal root]

I wonder if he’s gonna get very thrown out by seeing eldritch creatures

[frail bloom]

That's why he still had it in eternal

[hard thistle]

By this same metric, the Hologram Ghosts giving the Slayer tokens in Eternal, and the ones saluting him in 2016, wouldn't be actual ghosts but essentially futuristic, sentient last wills. Same with Novik in the Exultia level. A left-behind remnant of him displayed as a hologram, rather than a literal ghost.

[sonic turret]

Probably the same tech that the Slayer uses on the Fortress of Doom.

[formal root]

like not go insane

just be really weirded out

[stoic sleet]

How did valen and the army get to immora without the gate of divum

[uneven dragon]

having just replayed it 2016's story is told so much better it's ridiculous 😭

everything you actually need to know is communicated to you and everything flows together better than in eternal

[plain iron]

He's already batshit. Can't get more batshit

[uneven dragon]

eternal is like "we're going to exultia now for Reasons" like just kind of has stuff Happen

[hard thistle]

They don't explain this, but I'd argue the most likely explanation is that Immora had a seal placed on it that had to be broken by entering through the Gate of Divum, and once this happened the seal was shattered and the Sentinels could freely enter.

[formal root]

eldricth abomination beyon someone’s comprehension appears

I don’t get it.

[uneven dragon]

i probably would've moved exultia closer to the sentinel levels

[stoic sleet]

Ok, thanks

[frail bloom]

They should hire him honestly

[plain iron]

spooky tentacle abominations
"Ur mum"
- doomguy probably

[formal root]

Cthulhu appears

Doomguy: pacific rim theme plays

[uneven dragon]

like its weird going Earth, Exultia, Earth, Earth, Earth, Earth idk

[frail bloom]

The problem is many levels were shifted during the making of it, eternals gameplay loop wasn't clearly defined till like months before release iirc

[uneven dragon]

yeah and you can really tell everything was shuffled around at least twice

mars core at the very least was moved twice

[stoic sleet]

Do you think theres gonna be a level as difficult as the holt in the dark ages?

[frail bloom]

Uh no

Maybe in dlc

[stoic sleet]

Maybe the first level

[uneven dragon]

honestly while i did like the fortress of doom i kinda think maybe... it shouldn't have been there...?

[frail bloom]

Tda may be difficult gradually, like classic doom sorta

[uneven dragon]

it makes some parts really odd like why does doomguy even go to the super gore nest

[frail bloom]

Cuz eternal had a lot of difficulty spikes

Cultist base, gladiator, etc

[stoic sleet]

It started to corrupt earth very quickly

[uneven dragon]

like him being able to teleport everywhere just makes you question why hes wasting time

just do hell priests mars urdak cut out the bs

[sonic turret]

I didn't find the Holt particularly difficult, only the bos fight, and even that becomes easy after eight or nine attempts.

[frail bloom]

I mean killing that gore nest decreased hell consumption and killing all the hell priests wouldn't really affect it

[formal root]

speaking of dark ages

y’all wanna see the atlan do sick ass moves or nah?

[uneven dragon]

yeah but killing the IoS would

[stoic sleet]

I do

[formal root]

like not just punching, I mean like dropkicks and shit

[frail bloom]

Well duh, it has a cool shotgun that reminds me of REKKR

[formal root]

I wanna see doomguy’s atlan just sumplex a titan as a finisher

[stoic sleet]

I think the gore nest needed to be urgently dealt with, if the doomslayer dealt with hell priest and icon earth woulda been too far gone by the time he reaches sentinel prime

[frail bloom]

Idk if he could skip straight to that or really knew about it but overall, it could've been better

[formal root]

yeah, gore nest was like a growing threat by the second

the priests were just allowing the invasion to happen

the gore nest was engulfing earth as it went on

(except australia)

[frail bloom]

What freaks

[stoic sleet]

If its called the super gore nest why didnt the slayer just rip out the weird thing that summons demons and kill them, destroying the nest

[uneven dragon]

the demons didnt take over australia because it is already an uninhabitable wastleland

[uneven dragon]

could've combined the problems and made the gore nest the thing guarding the first hell priest

[frail bloom]

The heart?

[formal root]

the demons showed up to australia, looked at a spider the size of a dog, and went back into the portal

[stoic sleet]

He coulda ripped the heart of the nest with his outerversal+ strength and speed

[frail bloom]

Not a thing

[formal root]

or another emu war was won by the emus

[frail bloom]

You know that

[stoic sleet]

Why didnt the slayer use his outerversal strength to 1 hit the icon of sin

[frail bloom]

Actually would've flowed better than him dying immediatley but it was a cool opener

[formal root]

BECAUSE THE LONGER THE ICON OF SIN IS ON EARTH, THE STRONGER IT BECOMES

[uneven dragon]

oh yeah it was a cool opening

[frail bloom]

Cuz his outversal strength doesn't exist

[uneven dragon]

i feel like eternal's story would've flowed better had doomguy had to physically traverse earth tho

[stoic sleet]

Why didnt one of the hell priests make the khan maykr their guardian

[uneven dragon]

instead of just teleporting everywhere

[formal root]

can’t leave urdak

[frail bloom]

I don't have a problem with it, idk why it just depends on how you use it, also cuz doing that would result in 6 games and the consumption would've already happened

[formal root]

plus the first priest was way up in the sky

doomguy teleported in

[frail bloom]

I don't think that's how it works

[formal root]

the deag didn’t expected the slayer to show up inside his crib

he literally is flabbergasted and says “you!” when he sees the slayer

[formal crater]

his soul remains guarded... he cant...

[formal root]

shows comically large coin

[formal crater]

yay

[stoic sleet]

Why didnt the last hell priest just hide under a rock or smth

[frail bloom]

Maybe we get to kill his guardian at some point in tda or it's dlc👀

[formal root]

gladiator

[stoic sleet]

If u killed the priests guardian it wouldve been after 2016

[formal root]

he was the boulder

doomguy just cracked it

[frail bloom]

Why

[uneven dragon]

another thing i noticed while replaying 2016 is i much prefer how all of 2016's cutscenes were in first person

[formal root]

2016 also had some funny moments

[uneven dragon]

the argent filter bit was funny

[frail bloom]

Well that's preference, 3rd person could also look as natural as first person. Horde mode gaming said the cutscenes in the preview flowed much better and were naturally badass so we might see their vision with this next game

[formal root]

and hayden just being like “thats not how you do it”

[stoic sleet]

Haydens looking out for his husband

[formal root]

hayden is fucking sick of his husband

his boss battle in TAG 1 was just the divorce

[stoic sleet]

Did yall also once dream of samuels robot form in a maid costume with cat ears

[frail bloom]

Nope!

[uneven dragon]

Another thing I liked in 2016 was the bigger focus on sci fi stuff

[stoic sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/she-can’t-dance-but-she’s-still-vibin-cat-girl-neko-girl-neko-tan-black-cat-girl-gif-2947855792717979268

Like this but samuel

[uneven dragon]

Eternal kind of just made everything fantasy which is fine this is just personal preference I just care for it less

[stoic sleet]

Nit exactly

But the ears and dancing

And in a maid costume

[uneven dragon]

Heat

[frail bloom]

Well that's a shame cuz tda is mostly sci fi fantasy but I feel as tho it achieves the aethsetic better than eternal

Cuz the sentinel levels were boring in that game

We also have hebeth which is very doom 2016

[formal root]

yknow

a war happened and stuff right?

where did the sentinel bodies go?

[wooden acorn]

eated

[stoic sleet]

I have such a good idea

[formal root]

can’t have shit in hell

[wooden acorn]

truly

[stoic sleet]

Why not hide the last hell priest inside the core of mars

The slayer would never blow a hole into the surface of mars

[uneven dragon]

Yeah but TDA also isn’t making the sci fi parts fantasy

I know what I’m getting into with TDA meanwhile Eternal is like Oh yeah Samuel is actually just some angel guy lol he’s just some angel

[frail bloom]

Oh ye lol

[stoic sleet]

Do you think the bfg jn tda is a ballista mod?

[uneven dragon]

if 2016 hadn’t shown human Samuel/had said that nobody alive had seen Samuel pre-robot I’d be fine with it

I like VEGA being the father cause he’s still an AI, the game had rumours of him being arcane, and he had Maykr symbols on him

Samuel was just Bs lol

[frail bloom]

It's definitely a prerequisite ballista

[stoic sleet]

“Oh you think samuel is some cool human who became a robot based on pure intelligence? Fuck you hes a god”

[frail bloom]

As the ballista was sentinel tech

[uneven dragon]

Yeah exactly it just feels weird

And wasn’t set up pre Eternal at all

[stoic sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/samuel-hayden-doom-crucible-hayden-gif-22329723

[frail bloom]

My hope is that tda makes eternal age better. Characters like the Khan and Valen, Novik and potentially Samuel can have more lasting impact in eternal cuz we would understand their character arcs. So when I play eternal, it feels like nostalgia in some way

[plain iron]

I'm huffing copium that Samur will be in TDA

[stoic sleet]

I rlly hope doomslayer is in tda

[frail bloom]

I don't see why he wouldn't be at least mentioned but probably not very present

[plain iron]

Random hologram Samur whispering lies please please please

[frail bloom]

Maybe he visits doomguy everynow and then, yaps and leaves

[uneven dragon]

I’m pretty sure Hugo said he won’t be relevant at all

[plain iron]

I refuse.

[frail bloom]

Oh I've never heard that

[stoic sleet]

If samuel hayden is in tda i will be humbled

[frail bloom]

Where?

[stoic sleet]

Because i have to thank him for being alive

[uneven dragon]

Oh yeah this scene not mattered at all also kinda sucked

[stoic sleet]

And the seraphim is also 6,2 and pull all the woman maykrs

[uneven dragon]

While Hell on Earth is a cooler intro perhaps starting with Exultia would’ve been better and they could just say that’s where he got teleported to

[uneven dragon]

I’m busy rn but I’ll trawl through all his interviews later today

Who is lip biting..

[stoic sleet]

Me

[frail bloom]

Lol prob qmn3 he's been a lil freaky

[frail bloom]

Yup

[stoic sleet]

I was thinking about the seraphim and how i should be humbled by him because hes 6,2

[hard thistle]

I'm taller than the seraphim

[stoic sleet]

Not true

[plain iron]

He's like. Almost as tall as Samuel, if not taller

[sonic turret]

Isn't he the Seraph? I thought Seraph-im was the plural with the yod mim at the end.

[gilded lake]

doom's a bit weird bc ingame the singular is seraphim while the plural is seraphs, not the other way around

[frail bloom]

Might be intentional idk for what reason tho

[mossy flicker]

I’m sad since this is a prequel we won’t be able to fight makyrs

[plain iron]

I don't wanna fight maykrs

I feel bad killing drones lmao

[frail bloom]

But the rainbow loot drops 🙏

[plain iron]

We're killing children

[frail bloom]

Not muh problemo

I need loot

Their mom is also a whorr

[plain iron]

Awh but she's pretty :[

[frail bloom]

Whorrs can be pretty

But she's despicable

[plain iron]

Wife...

[frail bloom]

You belong to samur don't be like the khan makeer

[plain iron]

I have multiple wives.

[frail bloom]

Huh

[plain iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1363856376375541902/Screenshot_20250421_101552_YouTube.jpg?ex=680987fb&is=6808367b&hm=8af3957807753d6f84c11eb544112e0c0bce4836959aa74b052f6c2baac0e0e7&

Wife :]

Genuinely that form is so pretty

I really like the gold accents

[frail bloom]

He's so serious I want him to do smt funny

They did actually have a funny shot

[plain iron]

Tripping over his skirt.

[frail bloom]

Where he's like, "our enemy is divided" and it shows a human being torn apart after

[plain iron]

He's just a silly guy

[frail bloom]

Daisy would disagree

😭 🙏

[plain iron]

He's the goober and the wife I forgive him for everything

[frail bloom]

Imma tell doomguy

[plain iron]

Oh boy I hope there's some weird gay tension between Ahzrak and doomguy

Kinda like Samuel at the end of kadingir sanctum

[frail bloom]

"So, you work out? How'd ya get the gains I want my children to support me"

-Azzrak or smt

[plain iron]

the gentle caress of the sarcophagus wasn't straight man behaviour.

[frail bloom]

You just called all archaeologists gay

They just love artifacts yknow

[plain iron]

... you telling me they ain't?

[frail bloom]

Idk ask them

[plain iron]

No but seriously, it was kinda weird for Samuel to do that lmao

Why do you hold such reverence for a tomb dawg

[frail bloom]

Does he even know he's the seraphim at that point or nah

[plain iron]

Probably not

Going from M0no's theory he only knew when he was uploaded to the fortress

[frail bloom]

Guess samuel was just that kinda guy then

[hollow sandal]

Sammy

[mossy flicker]

Bro why

[plain iron]

Bcs why not.

[mossy flicker]

😞

[plain iron]

It happened w Samuel, I hope it'll happen w Ahzrak

[sonic turret]

https://tenor.com/view/now-that-you-mention-it-tyler-oakley-intervention-worried-now-that-you-said-that-gif-17540529

[tulip canyon]

If anything remotely related to Heretic or Hexen shows up in The Dark Ages, I'm going to lose my goddamn mind.

A man can dream. Maybe there's a market for something with the mirror polish of DOOM with the familiar trappings of DnD-style sorcery.

[sonic turret]

What, like Demons?

[vagrant path]

even better

[tulip canyon]

Yes

[sonic turret]

I'm pretty sure there'll be plenty of those.

[hard thistle]

I just hope we get a rerelease of Heretic 2 eventually, that hasn't been buyable on any storefront for years because of legal stuff between Activision and Bethesda/Zenimax IIRC

Y'know the third person one from 1998, not to be confused with the more FPS-focused Hexen 2

[solemn wyvern]

Hexen 3 when?

[hoary tree]

Can’t wait

When does the bundles ship?

[wooden acorn]

Day 89 of 112

[silent surge]

please yes, please

[grave cave]

When the helmets pre order ends, can you still end up ordering it? Or nah

Oh hey Allstin!

[silent surge]

hello!

[coral cove]

Yall do we rhink id will making a dark ages unicorn skin

[stoic sleet]

Yes

[burnt dirge]

PLEASE I hope we get a pony slayer skin

[plain iron]

He's a brony frfr

[burnt dirge]

no cuz fr
twilight sparkle slayer

[woven jolt]

oh, well, fast traveling in Eternal also felt empty, it really was just to find secrets

[autumn dawn]

"𝗛𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗻𝘆𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗼 𝘀𝗮𝘆 𝘁𝗼 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗰𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘁𝗼𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗶𝗸𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗺 𝗱𝗼𝘄𝗻?"

stab

"Friendship is magic."

[zenith briar]

“Isabelle is waiting”

[stray pollen]

I really hope the track heard in the nvidia footage a few months ago is heard in the game. It sounds so cool

[cunning shuttle]

"More than meets the eye"

[glad crystal]

ngl i forgot about fast travel in doom eternal even existed

[uneven dragon]

i only remembered it on taras nabad cause i always miss the same things there

[grave cave]

"The cows sends there regards"

[native ridge]

Where is the BFG ?!?!?!

[plain iron]

Crossbow/ballista.

[glad crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-immortal-invincible-angry-where-is-omniman-gif-12301134070869383990

[native ridge]

We have to find it

[glad crystal]

could be at the cthulhu level part of the game

[native ridge]

Ok

[plain iron]

Nawh that's definitely near the end.

Like. Second to last boss yk.

[native ridge]

No it was telled that we will see the bfg maybe every level

[plain iron]

... what.

Where 💀

[native ridge]

Idk it's a youtube short

[plain iron]

Get us a link please :33

[native ridge]

I said maybe i didn't say like it's true

[plain iron]

Can we still get a link?

[native ridge]

The vid i saw was long ago

[plain iron]

Then go find it??

[native ridge]

I'll try to find it

[plain iron]

Look through your yt history.

[native ridge]

Do i send it here?

[plain iron]

Yup.

[native ridge]

Ok

https://youtube.com/shorts/lONnn_tcT1o?si=okRgmla5EE0IqTHo

[plain iron]

Ah.

So it'll be like classic doom?

Interesting.

Also hoardmode you make wonderful content but FUCK your voice is mildly annoying 😭

[plain iron]

Also wtf is your bio 💀

[native ridge]

I just finded the channel

And then the video

[plain iron]

No, i mean your discord about me

[native ridge]

Ah

IDK

I'm not a discord user

I usually use whatsapp

[uneven dragon]

Horde Mode's voice isn't annoying but it's burned into my brain

every time i read Doom: The Dark Ages i hear him saying it

[plain iron]

He hurts my ears. He's a wonderful dude and he's cool but dawg.

[native ridge]

Ah you mean that

No i made this shit when i was 10

[tranquil bluff]

you should keep it so it gets funnier to explain the older you get

[fresh bear]

Same for me 🥲

[native ridge]

Lol

[native ridge]

Maybe i'll modify a lil

[rugged axle]

Doom The Dark Ages Trailer 2 is a F#%king masterpiece! 10/10

[queen atlas]

Hey guys, I'm pretty hyped for dark ages and might even get the collectors edition but I'm a bit worried by the lack of glorykills. Did they just get completely removed? I know the trailer talks about "interactive" glory kills but then they just show a demon getting kicked or punched with close to 0 visual damage. There is no way these are the new glory kills right? They look laughable, as does the flail hitting the demon with 0 visible damage

[plain iron]

They're more like "glory strikes" a better example of them are the ones on the cyberdemons.

[uneven dragon]

there's still the fancy animations for some moments like the shield and bosses/the empowered equivalent of the game

[queen atlas]

Hmm okay so after rewatching some footage the flail does seem to knock off some limbs with is fine. I mostly just think the kick and shield bash to finish enemies off looks really lame. So if I'm understanding correctly you will only able to use proper glory kills on cyberdemons or actual bosses?

[plain iron]

Bigger demons have more animations surrounding them, as it's kinda hard to animate a zombie getting yeeted by a flail w out it being kinda jank lmao

[queen atlas]

Yeah guess so. I wish they just kept the other glory kills since it was probably by favorite part of doom. I always loved executions in games like the press "O" moments in the old GOW trilogy

[plucky plinth]

I'm not a fan of 'em tbh

they just got in the way to me

-# also doesn't help I'm biased much more towards the older games

[plain iron]

Slowing down and kinda just making it awkward

[plucky plinth]

my main issue is that you basically only see the same few animations every time you do it

and at the same angles

[plain iron]

They're lowkey boring

[queen atlas]

To each their own I guess. Maybe they will add a slider to enable or disable them. I liked the variation in different glory kills depending on which angle u used. And they were pretty fast anyway

[plucky plinth]

some dragged on for way too long

[plain iron]

The cyberdemon ones were so long.

[plucky plinth]

but yeah, there's some angles you just rarely get

and you usually only get the front facing GKs

so like, you basically only see those the whole time

[queen atlas]

Aren't the cyberdemon ones still long? And they just removed the short ones for chaff demons

[warm ibex]

oh it's much more than just mildly annoying 😭

difficult to listen to. getting out of the narration voice has been a hard habit to break!

[plain iron]

No but I totally get it lmao, voices can be weird, especially through speakers

[warm ibex]

I don't know enough about audio equipment to properly adjust my settings to work with a more natural voice either, I've never used this mic without the narration voice and the audio is nearly unusable any time I make changes. Not the most ideal situation, but it's what we're stuck with until I can figure this all out lol

[uneven dragon]

they work well in 2016

mostly cause 2016 at a high difficulty you're barely glory killing

eternal literally EVERYTHINGGG is an animation

[plucky plinth]

For as much as I do prefer 2016's, I still don't like you basically only see the same ones all the time.

[uneven dragon]

i felt they were varied enough but idk

[plain iron]

Totally fair tho, definitely don't blame you for it, you can't control your voice and how it sounds

[uneven dragon]

i usually try and move to the side or the back or above to shake things up though

every time i go for a cacodemon i always go for the back lol

[warm ibex]

thank you! tbf it's not my natural speaking voice

[plucky plinth]

I try to do that, but usually in the middle of combat it's sometimes just not possible

though, the environmental wall GKs are nice when they do trigger

[queen atlas]

Yeah same. It's also really easy to just double jump to get the glory kill from above

[plucky plinth]

and at least 2016's were more than "slice here, slice there, maybe a kick"

[uneven dragon]

eternal's cacodemon ones are awesome tho

like the cacodemon from behind one is soooo fun

running up the back of them lol

[plucky plinth]

I do prefer Eternal's Caco GKs and in general their design

but I feel sad when I kill 'em

they're just goofballs

[plain iron]

I feel sad killing maykr drones

[uneven dragon]

i do really like the arm blade BUT i also really think that like... it messes up some glory kills

like the pinky glory kills became so uninteresting

[plucky plinth]

agreed

[plain iron]

they're essentially children

[uneven dragon]

in 2016 you're literally smashing parts of a pinky into itself in Eternal you just stab them a bunch

[plucky plinth]

though I do wanna try something if it's possible

[uneven dragon]

the gargoyle glory kills with the blade is awesome tho

[queen atlas]

Ngl I loved killing those. I think I just hate angel designs or something

[plucky plinth]

2016, but with Eternal's chainsaw limit

to me that's a perfect combo

[uneven dragon]

why would you limit the chainsaw in 2016?

[plucky plinth]

you get 2016's lack of auto refill but with Eternal's lower total count of pips

[plucky plinth]

I just feel like there's too many pips in 2016

like, you basically refill all of your 5-6 pips within a single fuel pickup

[uneven dragon]

soo you'd make barons killable by 3 pips?

[plucky plinth]

which can let you use it for quite a while

[plain iron]

Oh? Why's that? I like how they leant into the whole divine machine, very original tbh

[plucky plinth]

fair point, actually

better choice would just be lowering how many pips you get per fuel pickup, then

[uneven dragon]

ok wait i just remembered that the arachnotron glory kills/chainsaw/crucible kills in eternal are great too

[queen atlas]

Yeah I don't meant I hate their design but they just look like something I would want to kill. I think its because of their uncanny look with the big head and no arms idk

[uneven dragon]

like when you FLIP THEM OVER that's awesome

[plucky plinth]

it's funny if you do it near lava tbh

[plain iron]

Another gripe I have w the glory kills is that there's no force in the animations

[uneven dragon]

true 😭

[plucky plinth]

oh yeah

[uneven dragon]

it kinda depends

[plucky plinth]

like in 2016, it's fine

[uneven dragon]

the 2016 pinky ones feel like they have force

[plain iron]

It's too smooth, no resistance, doesn't feel right.

[uneven dragon]

this is another consequence of the armblade tbh

[plain iron]

No it happens in 2016 too, just less so

[plucky plinth]

I do feel like TDA has a bit more force in their glory strikes

[plain iron]

Definitely.

[plucky plinth]

though, that could also just be sound design

[queen atlas]

That's why I don't like the new glory "kill" kicks

[uneven dragon]

yeah thats why i said it kinda depends

and why i specified 1 enemy from 2016

[plain iron]

Everything is a bit too smooth. Like. The dragging of the tooth through the pinky's throat doesn't have much resistance and it's kinda annoying

[queen atlas]

https://youtu.be/zErPt9SDTR4?si=pQ-D-yGOtdcHFg0D

Look at the kick he does at 0:25

[plucky plinth]

I'm fine with the kicks, honestly

[queen atlas]

Look at this one and tell me it doesn't look bad. The demon basically just awkwardly stumbles backwards 2 steps

[plucky plinth]

at least judging from current trailers and not Direct footage

[uneven dragon]

the Cacodemon, 2016 Pinky + Hell Knight, Eternal Arachnotron + Tyrant + Marauder glory kills are my favourites

[queen atlas]

To me it looks like the way it would look if you kicked someone in space. They just float weightless for like 2 seconds then fall down

[uneven dragon]

the rest are kinda whatever

in 2016 they're fine in Eternal they feel a bit overused yk

mostly because of how much you have to use the chainsaw and like how the crucible is one and etc

[plucky plinth]

I never really used the crucible

[queen atlas]

Now what would be cool is if you would kick the demon so hard that they fly away at high speed and then get splattered against a wall

[plucky plinth]

to me it was just bloody useless

[queen atlas]

Like the finisher throws with gorilla arms in cyberpunk

[plucky plinth]

I know I was complaining about the BFG earlier, but I'm bringing it back up here

[uneven dragon]

i use it for archviles thats it

and thats only in master levels

[plucky plinth]

you'll use up less ammo on a BFG shot to cripple a whole arena than it would to use the crucible to take out a single enemy

[uneven dragon]

yeah but what if it isnt a whole arena

[plucky plinth]

then I'd just kill them normally

[plain iron]

Then just deal w the archvile lmao

[plucky plinth]

because you get jack shit in terms of crucible charges until the end

and you can kill a single enemy about as fast normally as it would with a crucible

and you'd use up (relatively) less ammo

[uneven dragon]

yeah but if it's like a very small arena and like an archvile like why not yk

i agree that crucible ammo is not nearly as plentiful as it should be tho

[plucky plinth]

also another thing, I'm not a fan of glory kills

[uneven dragon]

i used it like 4 times in the main campaign 😭

[plucky plinth]

I don't want to sit through another one on top of all of the others

[uneven dragon]

and i didn't like how it was a glory kill either yeah

[hard thistle]

no more quickswitching

[uneven dragon]

that annoyed me too

[plucky plinth]

when I could just actually play the game

mind you, ammo is stupidly common in Eternal

so there's no point not to use it

[plain iron]

I like how TDA is returning to the slower gameplay, I fucking hated it in eternal

[uneven dragon]

2016 (on UV and Nightmare) you're glory killing only every so often so it doesn't get tiring

Eternal you're glory killing SO MUCH

[plucky plinth]

hell, even the BFG ammo, at least compared to crucible charges, is quite common

[uneven dragon]

im starting to think nobody with a blue username likes any game past doom 64

[uneven dragon]

i dont like bfg ammo in doom 3 onwards because like

the game just gives it to you when it knows you're gonna need it

[plucky plinth]

yeah

[uneven dragon]

i would rather just have it share ammo w/ something

[plucky plinth]

so it's just telling you "Hey, we got near the enemy limit for at least one part of the arena."

[uneven dragon]

yeah 😭

[plucky plinth]

and then when you play it?

[queen atlas]

I really liked the fast combat and weapon swapping combo's in eternal but the new gameplay loop in dark ages seems fun as well. I always loved parrying in games

[plucky plinth]

you don't even use the charge anyways

[queen atlas]

I am worried that the game will be far too easy if you get good at parrying tho

[plucky plinth]

so most of the time it's just sitting there

maybe to be used in Final Sin

[uneven dragon]

they should've patched the weapon wheel thing in 2016 lol

[plucky plinth]

ig that's part of the reason sliders are in the game

[uneven dragon]

just fire the BFG four times in the mastermind fight and use the weapon wheel while firing

3/4 of her health gone

[plucky plinth]

I just don't like the more vertical gameplay

[queen atlas]

Oh right already forgot about that

[plucky plinth]

and I just found the game to be too fast for how cramped the levels get

2016 (at least to me) had a good balance on speed on level size

you don't feel too fast, but the levels never felt too cramped (for the most part)

[uneven dragon]

i really liked eternal's gameplay and the vertical stuff is very fun but i also think it is not particularly "doom-y"

2016 imo feels like a classic game even with the added verticality of the double jump

Eternal is a bit more Quake than Doom gameplay-wise

[plucky plinth]

like I'm fine with adding verticality

[queen atlas]

Well the fast gameplay played into the power fantasy really well imo. It felt like how the actual doom slayer would be zapping around killing demons

[uneven dragon]

and then TDA is the reverse where aesthetics wise it is more Quake-y

[plucky plinth]

I just didn't like how vertical Eternal's gameplay can get

ofc, it's not always viable to be flying like that

at the same time, you're still meathooking all over the place

but yeah, TDA so far has been back to a good balance

[plain iron]

I never said I hated eternal, I really like the ideas it brought up, and I do really like TAG. I just don't like the speed.

[plucky plinth]

sure, you do move fast, but the levels are apparently larger in arena size

[queen atlas]

I just really hope TDA will be as well optimized as eternal. Don't think I ever played a game with better performance

[plain iron]

Id software is good at optimisation

[plucky plinth]

also, I fuckin' love they've returned to the bullet hell-like design of the older games tbh

[plain iron]

Definitely. I appreciate it a lot.

[plucky plinth]

oh 100% lmao

[plucky plinth]

makes me want to think where I'll want to move

which is an issue that 2016 and Eternal face to me

it's more of "run and you'll be fine"

but less so asking yourself where to run

the amount of resources you get in TDA does scare me a bit, though

at least you can change that with the sliders, though

[plain iron]

Which i really like tbh

[queen atlas]

Yeah but these new maps seem to be a lot more open so idk

More textures to load

[plain iron]

I love the sliders

[plucky plinth]

plus the calculations on the GPU for raytracing

[plain iron]

They'll probably use lower quality textures for further way things

[uneven dragon]

idk cause in 2016 if you run the wrong way you're gonna get pummelled to near death by The Horde

once pinkies/cyber mancubus get introduced you have to be more strategic

[plucky plinth]

although, we haven't gotten an engine specifically built for raytracing as a primary way of rendering

[plain iron]

Very common thing to do, can cause muddy textures, But it should be fine

[queen atlas]

It's gonna have raytracing? Will probably turn that off tho If I can't get over 100fps with it turned on

[plucky plinth]

yeah, 2016 was a bit better in that regard

[plucky plinth]

y'can't turn it off

it's a hard requirement

similar to the Indiana Jones game

[queen atlas]

How does that work? So you will need at least rtx3070 or something to run the game?

[plain iron]

I'll go get the interview explaining why.

[plucky plinth]

at least a 2060 Super

[vestal dagger]

There's already a spec sheet

[plucky plinth]

just take note that we've quite literally not seen an engine built for raytracing

[queen atlas]

I got an rtx3080 so I'm probably fine but I thought only 30 series rtx cards could do ray tracing?

[vestal dagger]

No, that's what the rt in rtx means

[sleek ermine]

RTX stands for RAYTRACING X

[plucky plinth]

only engines with that functionality thrown on

and we've also yet to see an engine like that from id (I don't really count Indiana Jones as the engine was a modified version of id Tech 7 by MachineGames)

[queen atlas]

Ray traced bullets suddenly makes way more sense for me than sunshine rays for a doom game lmao

[vestal dagger]

I don't think it's just the bullets themselves, that alone can be done with regular ray casting, but I think they're using bvh acceleration to eliminate the dependence on sparse hitboxes

[plucky plinth]

per-pixel detections isn't really possible by ray casting

[plain iron]

Idk dawg I'm just going off the interview

[vestal dagger]

You're going to have to be more specific

[plucky plinth]

the interview does kinda explain that a bit

[queen atlas]

It'll be less demanding than RT in something like cyberpunk I hope

Since doom kinda needs to run very smoothly for it to be enjoyable

[plucky plinth]

basically, the main point of raytracing is to see how to render something on a per-pixel basis for more accurate lighting

[vestal dagger]

going off the interview I think they're talking about the bvh acceleration component, which would make detecting where on a model you've hit much faster

[plain iron]

Tbf, raytracing isn't just used for sunshine, it's just real time light simulation by throwing off particles and making the objects have a value to say how many of the particles bounce back or get absorbed.

Real time light simulation.

[plucky plinth]

in turn, you could rig it in a way so instead of rendering, it uses that pixel's texture to see what the hell kind of sound it's meant to make when something hits it

[vestal dagger]

therefore not needing sparse hitboxes which can't do specific texture-based material interaction

[plucky plinth]

tbf, I don't get why they decided to do that, though

I understand switching over to raytraced lighting

but not so much the raytraced collisions

[plain iron]

Higher accuracy.

[plucky plinth]

to be fair that's another example of "they threw it onto the engine"

also, at least judging from Eternal's raytracing setting

[queen atlas]

Would people really care about raytraced lighting in a doom game tho?

[vestal dagger]

🙏 bvh acceleration 🙏 I'll keep saying it, that's the part they're using the rt acceleration pipeline for in gameplay

[plucky plinth]

that was, relatively, quite optimized

[plain iron]

I can't tell you how many times I've missed ssg pellets on the mancubi because of their fuckass hitbox.

[plucky plinth]

The level designers 100% do

more time mapping, less time trying to setup and bake lighting

[vestal dagger]

Eternal was also mostly specular ray tracing which isn't as intense as diffuse, so that also helps keep the performance up.

[queen atlas]

Like me personally I usually can't even tell the difference between it being on or off except for the fps loss

[plain iron]

Reflections.

[plucky plinth]

I can see the differences

at the same time, I notice tiny details

so I can't really give an opinion imo

[plain iron]

I can usually, but the reflections are the coolest things for me

[queen atlas]

Yeah but it's just not noticable for me during gameplay. Maybe if I would stand completely still and really check the surrounding

[plucky plinth]

Echo Point Nova was probably the game where it was most noticeable in game for me

[queen atlas]

I play doom like I'm on crack tho so probably won't be doing that

[plucky plinth]

as a ton of surfaces in that game are reflective

[plain iron]

TDA is definitely very pretty.

I like the use of rtx like that.

[plucky plinth]

They butchered mah meatball
0/10, Worst GOTY

[plain iron]

I wish to see more urdak but no lmao