the-dark-ages

[real crater]

sounds absolutely badass

im not on pc i have a limited view of the above chat

[jaunty stump]

You could grab the BFG 😛

https://www.twitch.tv/hellstone1337/clip/SparklyHandsomeCourgetteNomNom-Ii-HtYEgDy9CDRhk

[graceful lion]

and even i cant see it

[real crater]

and we already heard it in trailer 2 i didnt even realize that

[prime sentinel]

The new track has a riff that really reminds me of at dooms gate

The one that starts around 50 seconds

[silent surge]

and it does destroy whatever is in its path. people fighting on bridges? knock it down and them too. tanks firing below? who cares!

[prime sentinel]

It’s either a light homage or maybe they just wrote a very doom-y sounding riff that reminds me of at dooms gate

But I noticed a lot of the homages have been almost subtle and worked into a new track

[real crater]

it does sound like they transformed the at doom's gate notes to make something new like the 2016 version

[prime sentinel]

Yeah it definitely reminded me of 2016’s version in particular

[frail bloom]

I thought it was into sandys city

You mentioned it in the previews did you not?

Eh I forgor

[prime sentinel]

Into Sandy’s city was in another track yeah

[sleek ermine]

the Maykr device is powerful

[prime sentinel]

You can hear it during gameplay

[hard thistle]

I do wonder if nonhumanoid life on Argent D'nur was similar to that of Earth life before the demons began their onslaught

[real crater]

wonder if im gonna be able to actually play this game or if im just gonna get lost in the soundtrack and headbang to the point i cant clearly see the game

[frail bloom]

They are humans

[hard thistle]

oh

[frail bloom]

Literally mentioned in the second trailer

[prime sentinel]

I’ve been a believer from the start, I knew this soundtrack would be flames

[hard thistle]

I thought they specifically meant Doomguy

[frail bloom]

"Focus on the humans first"

[real crater]

yeah lets hope id paid them this time around

[slender night]

Bethesda is the one that's paying

[hard thistle]

hm, yeah that sounds about right now that you mention it

[real crater]

either way

[prime sentinel]

I’m going to imagine things are not going to be how they were last time

[slender night]

Or with DOOM 3, apparently

[prime sentinel]

I’m willing to bet they learned their lesson, also this company has worked with Microsoft in the past, so that’s likely one of the reasons they were chosen

[slender night]

I remember reading somewhere something similiar happened to Tweaker while working on DOOM 3 but nobody ever addresses that here

[prime sentinel]

Alice In Chains never got paid for them bones

[real crater]

i just listened to dirt for the first time today

absolutely phenomenal album

and yes i instantly recognized the doom 2 riff

[prime sentinel]

Yeah it’s so obvious haha

Like, there is no way that counts as legally distinct

[hard thistle]

what past games did they work with MS on exactly?

[graceful lion]

argents are humans but from another planet basically, or another realm, smth like that

they can and will have different looks to humans, but they are very very similar

[hard thistle]

so like how theres humans on Serah in Gears of War and Serah is an alternate universe Earth, yeah that makes sense

[graceful lion]

something similar

[prime sentinel]

Microsoft flight simulator, halo wars 2, the mcc

[hard thistle]

oh wow they have one hell of a track record

[graceful lion]

grounded

[hard thistle]

no that was not a intentional hell pun

[graceful lion]

halo celebration edition or something

anniversary edition, whatever it was called

[slender night]

Combat Evolved??

[frail bloom]

I saw someone say "Mick at home" we don't deserve these guys honestly

[graceful lion]

true

[prime sentinel]

They also did the soundtrack for borderlands 3

[prime sentinel]

They did the new stuff for the mcc

The master chief collection

[graceful lion]

yes

[frail bloom]

Anyways was doomguy crying in a shot?

I saw thomas mention it

[graceful lion]

state of decay also, callisto protocol

[hard thistle]

Yeah Argenta are humans. There are probably some slight biological differences relating to shit like lifespan, but they are the ancestors of humans. Proto-humans. Like the Martians in Doom 3, who are probably also Argenta.

[graceful lion]

no he was just having a human eyes moment becuase he wasnt being controlled

[prime sentinel]

Yeah so basically they are reliable and put out good work

[frail bloom]

Oh weird he did look kinda worried tho

[prime sentinel]

Which I imagine was why they were chosen

And also since Microsoft has a good relationship with them they probably don’t have to worry about unforeseen drama

[graceful lion]

https://imgur.com/a/d7s0X3s all these games

and non games

[prime sentinel]

I’ve never played borderlands 3, but I’ve heard good things about its soundtrack

[frail bloom]

I want to see an interview of fm, like to hear them talk, about influences, their connections to the doom series prior and more about them generally

[hard thistle]

wait so the Argenta migrated to Earth? I usually don't see lore properly until somebody has to physically point it out for me.

[graceful lion]

they definitely seem mick-esque, by that i mean they love working on this and like it with a passion, thats for sure

[hard thistle]

Yes, the Argenta colonized Earth and became the humans you save in Eternal. This is implied by several things, but something in Eternal pointing to it is a huge ancient bell/clock with Sentinel scripture written on it in the first level.

[frail bloom]

Because Mick has that aura audience connection factor and that is severly impacting peoples biases on the quality of music actually being produced

[hard thistle]

Doom 3, the game to introduce this shit to begin with, also directly implies the Martians became the humans after colonizing Earth.

[prime sentinel]

Woah that’s a really cool detail I never noticed

[hard thistle]

that explains alot

[frail bloom]

It's why people like andy strider and geoffrey get away with blatant copying

[prime sentinel]

I’m glad they aren’t just trying to do what mick did

Obviously that sound is there, since he defined how a modern doom game sounds, but it’s got its own feel to it

[frail bloom]

Ye me too it sounds distinct to me, I personally can't wait to hear the orchestral tracks since the stuff I heard was epic

[harsh egret]

finishing move seems to be making perfectly fitting music to this game tbh

i love it

[frail bloom]

That's their job lol

[harsh egret]

well some people complained but i dont rly see why they would

[sleek ermine]

the helmet goes off sometimes

[sleek ermine]

ending hint?

[hard thistle]

speaking of Mick, he's working with a dev team called EmptyVessel to make a Judge Dredd-style FPS game

[frail bloom]

Idk anymore they say it doesn't hit as hard and it has me thinking that they're going off the dev direct

[hard thistle]

looks sick as hell

[frail bloom]

Yes imma support that game if it's good

Was there any new info btw?

[hard thistle]

not as I know

but as Gaben once said:

"These things, they take time."

[graceful lion]

so thats why hl3 been taking a while

[frail bloom]

I was saddened that we didn't get to see the archie or baron but I hope they're in the game and look appropiate

[real crater]

would be cool to see what the baron would look like with the new enemy design

[hard thistle]

pretty much

[frail bloom]

@mystic barn mentioned the possibility of that green squid lookin guy in an art of slaying episode to be the new archie and I just said ew

[frail bloom]

I want classic baron

Proof being gladiator with his medieval get up

I'm not crazy

[graceful lion]

some forum member on some site that's had that account for over 23 years heard some valve employees saying some half life 3 related things, i feel thats a trustable source, its some site that valve knows, lemme find it rq

[barren iron]

This has been said for two decades

[graceful lion]

no, it was a few months ago

https://imgur.com/a/nF83qQh

[barren iron]

variations of this exact thing has been said for two decades

[frail bloom]

I know I've been saying it for months like a broken clock but PLEASE ID IF YOU'RE READING THIS(Hugo), please I want more classic demon designs i don't want no tentacle mf for my archie

[graceful lion]

its from an account that has existed for 22 years

and is a known source

[hard thistle]

there is a HL game rumored to be in-dev called "HLX" that has been found by dataminers

[barren iron]

I highly doubt we ever get true HL3

[hard thistle]

yeah

[graceful lion]

this is a nail in the coffin, dont believe it if you dont want to

[barren iron]

Yes a random forum post is a nail in the coffin

[prime sentinel]

For the record, HLA is a full half life game

[graceful lion]

ars technica forum account

[prime sentinel]

And that was only 5 years ago

So 🤷

And not going to spoil things but the ending makes it very clear they aren’t done

[grim cloud]

need classic baron, with hell knight and ogre skin variants

[stable drum]

did you guy saw the doom the dark age trailer 2 when it came out?

[grim cloud]

wearing armor too, because dark ages

[graceful lion]

true

also the actor of gman and barney saying something at the start of 2025 about unforseen consequences?

[grim cloud]

and green blood

[frail bloom]

Yeah I know it would be contradictory for me since I welcome the new revenant and caco with open arms but anything else for the baron and archie wouldn't make sense

[lament venture]

Anyone here going to be playing doom on Xbox ?

[prime sentinel]

They could make the Archie more lovecraftian

[stray pollen]

Serious question guys. Does the new trailer have anything that's heavy spoilers? I haven't seen it yet because I wanna savor the fresh experience the first time on release. But goddamn I am TEMPTED. Does it have anything spoilery?

[frail bloom]

Hell nah give me classic archie

[prime sentinel]

And that could be why we haven’t seen him yet

[sleek ermine]

more of ahzrak and possible ending stuff

[prime sentinel]

We just had the classic Archie

I say: change it

[lament venture]

Anyone playing doom the dark ages on Xbox want an outfit code that is exclusive to the controller that just came out ?

[grim cloud]

give us both

[prime sentinel]

Every archvile has effectively been the classic Archie

[frail bloom]

He didn't have tubes and honestly he was goofy

I want a more lanky horror take on em

[prime sentinel]

Doom 3

[grim cloud]

jsut dont put in the cofee drinking hipster variant in TDA

[frail bloom]

Exactly but way more taller and foreboding

[stray pollen]

Ooo nice what about gameplay? Anything new? Don't spoil just yes or no

[frail bloom]

Not some tentacle mf

[grim cloud]

"He's drinking coffee!"

[lament venture]

Anyone lol?

[prime sentinel]

There’s never really been a radical new archvile design, I would love a new look for him

They’ve all been very similar

[slender night]

Me me me

[grim cloud]

how about a archvile that heals demons? Reverse destructo-demon

[lament venture]

For sure ! Have you pre ordered it or getting it with gamepass ?

[slender night]

The latter

[frail bloom]

Not everything needs new designs and if it looks appropiate I guess, but a classic archie with tubes and a ventilator mouth that when falls off reveals a sick grin would be awesome and would work well given the mancubuses in this game are fat archies with the same tan skin

[lament venture]

Nice I will send you a code , I just got the controller for my Xbox but I’m actually going to be playing it on my ps5 pro so the codes useless to me

[grim cloud]

i want every demon and variant from every doom game in TDA

[slender night]

Alright sweet, thank you so much, I appreciate it a lot :)

[lament venture]

Tell me when you’re ready to type the code in on your Xbox 🙂

[frail bloom]

Exactly they have the budget, make variants like doom 1 cover art demons, classic barons, 2016 barons, classic archies, some different archies, some of the codex supports what I want too

[slender night]

Alrighty, I'm ready

[grim cloud]

i would finance that, ask me where to send in the check

[real crater]

thats a lotta demons

[prime sentinel]

No not everything needs new designs but we have a few more classic designs already, and I just like having new designs, it’s fun and adds character

[grim cloud]

not enough for me actually

[safe ice]

I mean if they got nightmare imps anything is possible

[prime sentinel]

I feel like at a certain point too many demon variants is a bad thing

[grim cloud]

my megawad has over 60 demons in it, and iam still adding more... check it out

[frail bloom]

We've only had the classic imp and lost soul outta all the demons they could choose

[lament venture]

F923-CA6B-E6X2-8KDM-H8F7

[prime sentinel]

Like, if you can’t easily tell what everything is from a glance it becomes a cluster fuck

[grim cloud]

it becomes bad when you loose readiblity in the arena and cant tell whats going on

[safe ice]

tbh I agree wigh Egg Boy

[prime sentinel]

At a certain point there’s just too many enemy types

I don’t think TDA will have this problem

[slender night]

Hmm... you sure that's all? It should be a 25 letter code

[safe ice]

a lot of enemies is great for variety but too many makes the game annoying

[slender night]

You can DM me a picture if you'd like, there might be instructions there

[prime sentinel]

Especially since the nu doom games like you to use different strategies for each demon

[safe ice]

I feel like this game is gonna stray from the "use different strategies per enemy" thing tho

[prime sentinel]

Combat variety comes from using enemies in conjunction, that’s how classic doom works

[grim cloud]

taht is what new game+ is for, new demon variants that spice things up for us masocist

[safe ice]

or at least in the way we've seen nu doom do it

[prime sentinel]

Could be cool, but not my thing haha

I hope they put it in for you, or maybe it can be modded in later

[safe ice]

I really cant wait for the mods! (they will only release tools like 5 years after release)

[frail bloom]

I don't think so either but there's a certain point where changing it for the sake of changing it will impact the games recognizability and overall turn some people off like the caco, except the classic design wouldn't work so the new one fits better . But a truely classic archie, 64 pain elemental and classic baron would work in spades. Just add new demons don't change up my bois

[prime sentinel]

Hopefully idstudio will provide a framework and it will be faster to release this time

[safe ice]

the problem is

it has denuvo

[grim cloud]

i hope they add the 2016 assets into Idstudio, there are a lot of people waiting for that

[prime sentinel]

The eternal PE is literally perfect

I don’t want the 64 one lol

[frail bloom]

Oh yeah it's in the codex that works too

[safe ice]

so until they remove it later like they did with eternal modding tools are off the table

[grim cloud]

give us both, 64 pain spits out Eternal/Classic Pains

[worn lion]

Me want the Harvester in the Dark Ages so bad...

[sleek ermine]

I mean in total it is 25 (including the -)

[slender night]

We sorted it out, I was putting it in the wrong website

[real crater]

pain elemental spits out another pain elemental

[lament venture]

It was for the Bethesda website , it worked now!

[grim cloud]

Archvile then summons Summoners, who summon imps

[frail bloom]

But GIVE ME CLASSIC BARON AND ARCHIE
(If not than it's alr but I'd be really sad)

[prime sentinel]

We don’t need multiple PEs one is enough 😭

[grim cloud]

id be happy with a leader/boss variant

[lament venture]

22 days left

[prime sentinel]

I think it’s funny that the DE baron is literally just a recolor of the 2016 with blade hands and flames added

It’s really goofy, and I don’t quite understand why they did that but it’s fine haha

Like, it’s not a new design, it’s an edited 2016 design

[grim cloud]

its a Fireborne sub species

[prime sentinel]

Which is basically just the classic design

[grim cloud]

bigger question is, why can you flamebelch a fire baron?

[grizzled thicket]

fire

[frail bloom]

It's a classic recolor but what I want is a gladiator esc baron

[real crater]

because his entire body is not on fire only his hands

and also barons deal a lot of damage and you need armor to counter that

[frail bloom]

If I could choose between classic archie or classic baron I'd choose the baron since it's in tne codex

[prime sentinel]

Imo the 2016 design is the best modern translation of the classic design

They add the more bug like features of the modern demons

[grim cloud]

he bleeds lava

[prime sentinel]

But still keep the satyr look

[frail bloom]

I like the gladiator better, especially cuz the skin tones of the demons in tda are so natural it would fit well

[graceful lion]

satyr?

[prime sentinel]

Maybe if he was pink

[prime sentinel]

Yeah the mythological creature

[frail bloom]

All I'm asking for is at least one enemy to retain a classic look and if you wanna change the others fine I guess

But I have the codex to support me

[prime sentinel]

Honestly I’m down with whatever they do, it’s Id, they have top of the industry artists

[frail bloom]

The eternal pain elemental and classic baron appear in the codex entries part 5 I think

[frail bloom]

Yeah their new caco is godly but bc it fits well

[prime sentinel]

I don’t think that will matter haha

The codex doesn’t predict designs in future games

The codex isn’t even always necessarily going to remain canon

[grim cloud]

soemtimes canon changes between mission packs

[frail bloom]

Well yeah but they also made the codex and have come back to it so they would see the pictures they've drawn and go off of them

Man unholy siege is so good

[prime sentinel]

Maybe it might inspire them, but I doubt they live by it, they will probably make the game look the way they want it to, and visually, rule of cool usually wins out in doom

[frail bloom]

Classic is cooler to me but whatev I won't crucify them for changing it up

I'll just be one sad mofo

[nova spear]

hope they change doomguys eyes

[grim cloud]

what about the Bone Striders? they guard artifacts and other important demonic treasures. Will they return?

[frail bloom]

Who? It's prob doom 3

[frail bloom]

From eternal?

[grim cloud]

soryr, bone strider, ebon leech is the parasite

[nova spear]

in TDA, they just look unfitting to his whole character

[frail bloom]

Normal eyes or the controlled eyes

[nova spear]

i hope they make his expression angrier and more intimidating like eternals

[nova spear]

normal

[frail bloom]

Well duh he is suprised in that shot, in other shots his eyes are sleek it's just expression

[wooden acorn]

What if doomguy was pink

[nova spear]

wow i thought his only emotion was anger

[frail bloom]

Better than, "HRRR ME ANGRY ALL DA TIME GRRRR"

[prime sentinel]

Why if he was purple?

[frail bloom]

Says who dude

[nova spear]

still his eyes look innocent and kinda big

[prime sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-purple-what-if-it-was-karlrove-pencil-gif-13697978

[frail bloom]

Idc he needs some emotion

[wooden acorn]

They should let you change the hue of his armor

[prime sentinel]

Skins

[graceful lion]

he must be always angry!

doomguy cannot have emotions

#NotMyDoomGuy

[frail bloom]

Why😭

[graceful lion]

sarcasm

[nova spear]

alr no

[frail bloom]

Oh oops

[nova spear]

nvm

[prime sentinel]

They should give him a can of monster and a tap out tattoo on his bicep

[graceful lion]

he drinks a monster and goes sicko mdoe

[prime sentinel]

And he should be wearing a backwards mlb cap

[nova spear]

whats the hype about monster bro

[frail bloom]

He has scars on his bicep like the d1 cover art but random connection

Prob not even the same dude

[prime sentinel]

Doomguy is revealed to actually be named Kyle

You go to his apartment full of crushed monster cans and holes in the drywall

[frail bloom]

Looks like a kyle, eternal ain't beatin the allegations

[frail bloom]

Yo where's @plain iron draw this pls I beg

[nova spear]

some people said its "john"

[prime sentinel]

According to quake 3 his name is Doom

If you consider that canon

[frail bloom]

Nuh uh idc about quake canon

[nova spear]

idk

[prime sentinel]

Neither does quake

[nova spear]

ive heard people calling doomguy "john kane"

[prime sentinel]

That is not his name lol

[slender night]

That's his name in the DOOM 3 novels

Well, the name of the DOOM 3 novel protagonist

[prime sentinel]

Different guy

[slender night]

I keep forgetting Doomguy is his own character. It feels more like a title to me

[feral bane]

[nova spear]

wdym

[prime sentinel]

Doom 3’s protagonist is not the doom slayer/doom guy

[nova spear]

that explains his hairline

[grim cloud]

there are three doom marines in doom 3

[prime sentinel]

Doom 3 is actually (as far as we know) not canon to the current games at all

[prime sentinel]

We’re talking the base game marine

[frail bloom]

It is a title but I'd rather him be a character to relate to rather than "here is an angry man insert yourself as angry man and go rip everything apart"

[prime sentinel]

Meh it depends, I don’t think the classic games ever needed to characterize him, it’s literally a self insert, the game refers to “you”

In the modern games, which focus more on story, giving the main protagonist a character is kind of important

[frail bloom]

Well they didn't but you can't do that 9 times in a row you have to expand on his character

He had some tragic stuff happen to him, so far all we've seen is "GRRR THEM DEMONS"

I'd like some characterization in this next entry

[prime sentinel]

The classic games don’t really need that

[nova spear]

"the demons, theyre everywhere"

[frail bloom]

I'm not saying they needed it but the new games do and have to paint an image of doomguys feelings after the events of 1, 2 and 64

[frail bloom]

Ye more of that give me that

[prime sentinel]

Maybe? Idk I don’t really want him to talk lol

[nova spear]

he sounded so angry and terrified that time

[prime sentinel]

It’s kind of lame every time they do it lol

[nova spear]

"guts, huge guts! must kill them all..."

[frail bloom]

I'm not saying that😭 just through facial expressions and maybe one word

[frail bloom]

Alr eternal was cheeky so it's a given they do that line

[nova spear]

"No" was enough to make me shiver

[prime sentinel]

lol

[frail bloom]

Exactly just simple words not full sentences

[nova spear]

it seems unnatural for the slayer to say more than 1 word

[prime sentinel]

I wish they kept the pain grunts in eternal, I liked those

[nova spear]

bro speaks with his guns

[nova spear]

you can turn them on and off yk

in the dark ages he grunts even more

[frail bloom]

I allow it since he was goin crazy but anything after is weird, also the codex mentions that he barely speaks after he arrives in sentinel prime so ye

[nova spear]

prolly cuz hes traumatized

[frail bloom]

Nah i mean like a couple months after arriving after when he says some of his lines

[nova spear]

i think in dark ages he even yells from pain, i may be trippin

[delicate sequoia]

New song

[frail bloom]

Bangs hell

[delicate sequoia]

Unholy siege

[frail bloom]

Awesome name too

[delicate sequoia]

I want to play now

[frail bloom]

Been saying that 9 months ago

[delicate sequoia]

I too

But now I’m so hyped

I think it feels safe to say that looks better than eternal

In appearance ofc

[frail bloom]

Well duh it looks like a movie

I might never skip the cutscenes except on un

[delicate sequoia]

There’s a new difficulty too

[nova spear]

just like how allstin said: "youre a bitch if you skip the cutscenes"

[frail bloom]

Aspiring slayer? It replaces itytd

[delicate sequoia]

No

I think a new one

[frail bloom]

He's joking but I half agree some doom fans have wildly low attention spans

[delicate sequoia]

Purgatory was it?

[frail bloom]

Pandemonium?

The extra life mode one?

[delicate sequoia]

Oh yeah

[nova spear]

with the case of TDA i doubt anybody would be skipping the cutscenes after atleast beating the game 3 times

they look so cinematic man, so different from eternals

[delicate sequoia]

Well in therms of difficulty you can play un and make it harder with sliders

[frail bloom]

Idc what people do in their free time but some doom purists are allergic to a storyline for some reason like why can't doom have a story doom 3 had one😭

[delicate sequoia]

It looks so gorgeous also I might never skip em

[nova spear]

so i can just make the slayer almost 1 shot anything

[nova spear]

the story is one of the main reasons i play doom

[frail bloom]

I understand the eternal fiasco but tda looks like it'll be miles better in terms of storytelling

[delicate sequoia]

Yeah

[nova spear]

i didnt really like eternals story ngl

[frail bloom]

Me too, combat exploration amd story hugo knows my needs🙏

[nova spear]

ive beat eternal multiple times and i can say the story iss REALLY GOOD but also kinda bad

[delicate sequoia]

I mean 2016 felt like a game I could play calm eternal was just so much to do in a little amount of time I could not enjoy it

[frail bloom]

It was fine but the plot holes and delivery on some concepts hold it back unlike 2016. Tda looks like it adresses these issues and actually form a narrative, with developing characters this time

[nova spear]

some levels in eternal make me wanna quit the game because of how complicated and boring they are

[nova spear]

it shows the slayers past afterall

and we havent seen everything yet

[frail bloom]

2016 is an experience man I think both eternal and 2016 are equal but man...

2016 just ages so good

[delicate sequoia]

If only the quest were optional

[frail bloom]

Too bad I siege mode everything

[delicate sequoia]

I might have to replay it

[nova spear]

the collectibles make me wanna quit

[delicate sequoia]

I think those are fine but because you have fast travel

[nova spear]

im one of those players who wanna 100% everything but man

[delicate sequoia]

Same

[nova spear]

alsso sometimes the parkour is unecessary

[frail bloom]

Well tda has a mountain load more secrets than eternal and actively awards the player for it sooooo(idk if you're talkin about collectibles or upgrades)

[nova spear]

yeah but looks like it wont be as confusing as eternal

[delicate sequoia]

The quest as I said this morning were pain to me imagine repeating a level just because you didn’t made a glory kill to a specific demon that only shows at the end once in a specific side of their body

[nova spear]

i think the left glory kill on archvile made me furious trying to do

[frail bloom]

That was in 2016 too, and was much harder since I had to crouch to get some of them

[nova spear]

any tips on battlemode? imma start grinding for them trophies

[frail bloom]

Don't be the slayer

[plucky plinth]

learn to be patient

[frail bloom]

Jsut don't play lmao

[nova spear]

naw man i need the trophies

[frail bloom]

(Kidding it's pretty fun)

[nova spear]

i heard if you get with sweats its not fun

[delicate sequoia]

Kill two doom hunters preforming a glory kill from the right oh but ofc they forget to mention is the demons point of view

[hoary pivot]

yall think there's a possibility azhrak is the great one? we see him transforming in the trailer; maybe into his titan form as the great one, or maybe he is the cthulthu like thingy

[delicate sequoia]

I hope the quest disappear in the dark ages

[frail bloom]

Yeah it's just agonizing

[nova spear]

i somehow alwayss get it right

doom hunter is so easy to kill

[frail bloom]

Not possible, the cthulhu like beast is smt else entirely since that champion titan was fought in a different age

[delicate sequoia]

I mean yeah so easy I accidentally blow em up by mistake…

[nova spear]

reload the checkpoint

[delicate sequoia]

Yeah I did that trice

[nova spear]

also with pain elementals, theyre really a pain

[delicate sequoia]

It’s their element

[nova spear]

if yk what ur doing theyre easy

[hoary pivot]

i wonder how many years is TDA from 2016 chronologically

[frail bloom]

Some said thousands to millions so unless there is a time skip in the next game it's just not happening

[delicate sequoia]

I’m just bad at eternal fast peace is what makes me invalid to play something bc my attention span is garbage

I mean i know how all demons work

[nova spear]

i play nightmare on controller and its not fun, but im trying to adapt

[barren iron]

Unholy Siege goes so fucking hard bro

[delicate sequoia]

I played the campaign and dlcs twice (don’t play in switch the part where the titans where holding chains kicked me out of the game all ways I had to do it fast bc it won’t save my progress)

[nova spear]

fr, especially the last part

how are they doing this bro

[grim cloud]

waht doesnt make sense is that some of the characters are still alive after the eons...

[nova spear]

same, just to get the trophies

[grim cloud]

do argenta peoplpe live for millions of years?

[barren iron]

they've been doing this for quite awhile and have soundtracks on quite a bit of stuff

[frail bloom]

No the battle between the slayer and the champion titan

[nova spear]

anybody know who the woman from the trailer is

[frail bloom]

It takes place way after tda

[nova spear]

is she king noviks daughter

[grim cloud]

yes but the betrayer guy valen is still alive in hell in Doom Eternal, that is many years later

unless you dont age in hell, maybe thats it

[delicate sequoia]

I’m playing nightmare currently I’m getting my ass kicked feels humiliating I played a lot of classic doom I playing eternal feels like I had a sugar crush

Oh yeah valen has got older

[frail bloom]

I wasn't arguing about the aging I was saying that the cthulhu beast cannot be the champion titan

[nova spear]

doesnt hell affect time much differently

[frail bloom]

I wanna join the army dammit 🔥

[delicate sequoia]

New vid

THE CYBERDEMON

ITS NOT A TYRANT

[frail bloom]

POST IT IN VIDS PLS

[plucky plinth]

Yeah. Just the few tracks alone have completely cemented my opinion they're a much better fit.

-# I still prefer Hulshult, though

[frail bloom]

That's fine, I feel sad for the man he is so underappreciated

[frail bloom]

Put it in videos

[delicate sequoia]

Ok ok

[frail bloom]

Not here

Damn it, is it on youtube

[frail bloom]

What does it look like?

[delicate sequoia]

It’s on twitter

[frail bloom]

Or is it the one we've seen

Huh I thought they were tyrants

[delicate sequoia]

Yes it is

[delicate sequoia]

Nah tyrants are weaker

[frail bloom]

I still wanna see I don't have twitter man

Imma check on youtubs

[nova spear]

@frail bloom look screenshots

[delicate sequoia]

It’s not there

[frail bloom]

Imma explode

[nova spear]

he shoots out flaming skulls

[frail bloom]

Yo someone export it and post it pls

Pls I beg any here

[nova spear]

you want in dm?

i can share you the link

[frail bloom]

Sure

[frail bloom]

Alr problem

I cam't access twitter at the moment

[nova spear]

;(

[frail bloom]

Is it possible that you export it and share it in there?

[nova spear]

idk how to do it

[frail bloom]

Like downloads

Downloading the vid

[nova spear]

on pc no ill try on phone

[frail bloom]

Thank you

[nova spear]

sadly i cant

damn itt

[frail bloom]

Aw man where is everyone else cmon😭

Where are all the other eagle eyed fans that post things instantly

I'll wait

[frail bloom]

But thank you for trying genuinely

[cobalt fog]

https://youtu.be/2yyDstDV2lo?si=KPlTnoVTep1YlHuj

[frail bloom]

Yes peak has been posted already but I'll allow it

[nova spear]

np man

yea fuck you vega

[frail bloom]

Hey can you post the new cybie vid

If ya can

I can wait but I want everyone to see including myself

[nova spear]

finishing move doesnt post those things

only posts soundtracks

[frail bloom]

No I know but some people post twitter vids in here, idk how but some of them do when there is a new showcase vid

[nova spear]

well sorry, i wish i could

[frail bloom]

It's not your fault I understand, I'll just wait for someone else

[nova spear]

[frail bloom]

[harsh egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1363985266515116102/ssstwitter.com_1745267990057.mp4?ex=680805c5&is=6806b445&hm=36249a26b232f7c6debfc3c374c0ff85e1324ee6be54bacda912ff5f36bccddb&

[lofty hull]

I just the new teaser trailer, BFG ❎ BFC {Big ****ing Crossbow} ✅

[grim cloud]

Cyber Winged Tyrant ...

[frail bloom]

YES

[frail bloom]

Is there concept art there's usually concept art after

[harsh egret]

they didnt nope

they also posting stuff at a weird time today lol

[frail bloom]

Huh weird but true, a new soundtrack new art and trailer, I guess we'll be drip fed till release or a launch trailer

[grim cloud]

Maybe concept art tommorrow. I want to see a nice shot of the Komodo

[frail bloom]

Same did he look fat to you btw?

Has a beer belly going on

Looks gnarly in the face tho

Looks like godzilla(face wise)

Now that I think about it hugo did watch godzilla minus one and loved it so maybe some influence

[harsh egret]

#screenshots

holy shiet man

[lament grove]

Concept art was just posted 6 mins ago

[grim cloud]

well i guess another double nugget day. Maybe that is the thing from now on

Still need to show us the Rocket Launcher i suppose, maybe couple other demons

[harsh egret]

they would have plenty of other stuff to show

ramping it up would make sense

[hard thistle]

reminds me of the uh... what were the holographic shield guys in Eternal called again?

y'know the ones with like 3 legs and a cannon that shoots out a shield

[worn lion]

Carcass

[sonic turret]

Hugo said that Makyrs transfigure into giant Cthulhu monsters, so there's that.

[sonic turret]

What's a komodo? Nothing rude I hope. 🤔

[grim cloud]

is a new mini boss from the trailer, you also see it on the keyart

green lizard like thing,

[sonic turret]

I don't remember that one, I'll have to look again, do you know which part roughly of the trailer?

[grim cloud]

second half way part,

[obsidian shard]

thereis

[hollow sandal]

They showed rocket launcher in the trailer yesterday

And it was sick

[obsidian shard]

It will have a Grenade Laucher esq Mod

Tyler McVicker Says

[hollow sandal]

Sick

I super fucking hyped

[grim cloud]

its not a mod, just the secondary weapon.

at least that is waht im told

[hollow sandal]

Yes secondary wep

[obsidian shard]

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

so 12 Guns, 3 Melee and 1 Sheild

Peak Line Up

[sonic turret]

Who?

[obsidian shard]

...what...

[hollow sandal]

Lol

[obsidian shard]

sorry I forgot the 2 Atlan Guns and 1 Melee, and then the Dragons Guns and Fire Weapon

LOADS OF WAY TO SLAY DEMONIC SCUM

[sharp moat]

i feel like theres more we havent seen

[obsidian shard]

For sure

But that's so far

Which is wild

[sharp moat]

We havent seen the Grenade Launcher which im interested

If i remember Hugo said there was

honestly the weapon line up is perfect for a Quake Deathmatch mode

[dull beacon]

O got a question will the dark ages be free for those who own the anthology series on steam

[hard thistle]

Most unlikely

[obsidian shard]

No

[obsidian shard]

It would but... 2016 Had a deathmatch and no one played it soo why invest more when Campaign is guaranteed Profit

[sharp moat]

2016's mp didnt really stay true to Doom mp

it was more like Halo 4

[obsidian shard]

Also Quake is The Multiplayer of id

DOOM (1993) had a easy to access Campaign, And Well DOOM had LAN not Online Multiplayer at the Time

[sharp moat]

I prefer quake's single player stuff

[obsidian shard]

DOOM has Always been about the Campaign

[sharp moat]

Quake 1 and 2 are decent and the Deathmatch was always tacked on, wasnt till the 3rd game it was a multiplayer only

[obsidian shard]

But ID KILL FOR CO OP

[sharp moat]

personally i dont think people are asking much for a deathmatch mode

2016 put more emphasis on mp because it was the trend doing stuff like Snapmap similar to Halo's Forge and loadouts+ability equipment like Call of Duty but nobody asked for that

And Eternal's battlemode is really a game of Fat kid/juggernaut with a hero shooter twist which again nobody asked for. I feel like a lot of these failed attempts for a multiplayer by doing what nobody asks for is kind of making a false narrative we cant have a classic simple deathmatch mode for people who wanna mess around.

[grim cloud]

2016 mp balanced around load outs, thats what killed it for most people

but id focusing on SP this time. I have small hope for Invasion mode, that would certianly add some dynamic gameplay to the campaign.

i hope the focus on SP brings us a new game+ mode and Horde. Time will tell, maybe for the DLC

[sharp moat]

Im glad they are working on SP, i just cant help but feel their failed tries in making a mp just falsely gaslights the idea we cant have an online mode

like its always gonna be a garantee imo with Id's integrity as a studio they will always make a good campaign

[dire prism]

im convinced

doom the dark ages is a masterpiece and i havent even played the game yet

[obsidian shard]

It's like Rockstar imo

[dire prism]

and im also convinced

fallout new vegas is a masterpiece

[obsidian shard]

Campaign is Like 10/10, Online is Questionable

[sharp moat]

like i dont have any expectation doom needs a battlepass, constant new map updates, and an active post launch service for a multiplayer. Nobody is actually asking for a multiplayer like this

I think its perfectly fine for a mp to just be the extra "tacked on" mode.

[dire prism]

we dont talk about the online of eternal (except for coop mod because it's peak)

[obsidian shard]

I have 100% Battlemode

[dire prism]

that sounds awful

[obsidian shard]

IT WAS PAIN

Fun pain

[dire prism]

i bet, especially with the current low player count of battlemode, or at least it was at the time you did it

[sharp moat]

Like Space Marine 2 having a PvP that nobody asked for was completely a positive in my opinion. and it was basic at best.

[obsidian shard]

ITS WAYYY TO SWEATY, and the Trash talk is Annoying asf

[dire prism]

and sm2 pvp was actually really good imo

ngl i hope to God we get a fallout new vegas remake like how oblivion is

[sharp moat]

it was unbalanced but honestly it be fun with customs against friends

[obsidian shard]

It is

[dire prism]

also quake 1 is easily a masterpiece

tossing that word around like it means nothing now

[warm ibex]

quake 1 is PEAK

the literal definition of peak. it's hard to beat

[dire prism]

quake 1 is peak quake excluding the kane stroggification cutscene in q4

[warm ibex]

I've never cared for the strogg stuff, but the stroggification cutscenes is awesome

[sharp moat]

imo a bundle of both New Vegas and Fallout 3 in one package with all its DLC in a remaster would be nice.

[dire prism]

also, fuck the mission The Pain Maze in Q1

[dire prism]

ngl

id rather take a new vegas with demons souls remake graphical fidelity remake than that

but just my opinion

[sharp moat]

it be too much recourses for Bethesda too remake New Vegas

[dire prism]

yea true

also remaking from ground up must be a pain in the ass unless they can get bluepoint to do it

[sharp moat]

Unless the fallout 3 remake/remaster is real. which it prob is like Oblivion.

Maybe new vegas could get a similar treatment

[dire prism]

i havent seen anything of that

[sharp moat]

Since the Oblivion leaks were true. Fo3 is getting the same remaster treatment

[dire prism]

also fk the person who started the rumor that oblivion remake was coming out today lol

should prob move this convo

[stoic sleet]

Bruh

[dire prism]

to #general

[stoic sleet]

New soundtrack teaser on tiktok

[dire prism]

dont wanna upset the mods

[stoic sleet]

Dropped 3 hours ago

[hoary pivot]

do yall think azhrak stronger than davoth

[stoic sleet]

Definitely not

[dire prism]

180 fov on fallout new vegas is peak

[stoic sleet]

Ik the power comparison is large but thats like saying “do you think gabriel is stronger than god?”

[hoary pivot]

yea my bad it was a stupid question 😂

[dire prism]

davoth did nothing wrong

besides pissing off doom slayer

the maykrs deserved what they had coming from him

[hoary pivot]

they done fucked around and found out

[dire prism]

ye but davoth was still in the right between him and the maykrs

[sharp moat]

imo i think azhrak is more just a big bad demon lord guy but isnt actually the main big bad in this story

[hoary pivot]

I thought davoth is just an angy silly guy who got betrayed by the maykrs and waged a war tantrum lol

[dire prism]

no no no

[stoic sleet]

U guys forget the most important thing

Fortnite invented doom

[sharp moat]

true

[stoic sleet]

So does that mean there will be collab skins

[hoary pivot]

ah yes, the guy from fortnite

[stoic sleet]

Tbh tho if fortnite had a proper doom collab i would play it

[sharp moat]

there was a skin

[stoic sleet]

Thats it tho

[hoary pivot]

a mythic supa shotty lol

[stoic sleet]

No poi or anything

[sharp moat]

i mean ya thats kinda how crossovers go.

doom isnt a big IP compared to Marvel/star wars Disney money

[dire prism]

what they did was cast him away because he was trying to find a cure for his people's mortality because he couldn't bear to see them die (he was also the original God) and that fact pained him and the maykrs decided it was too "dangerous" for him to know the secret of immortality even tho it was out of love for his people

[stoic sleet]

Honestly their reasoning is so dumb

[dire prism]

so yea id say the maykrs deserved what they had coming

[stoic sleet]

“An immortal body cant hold a mortal soul”

Like what

Just make both immortal

[stoic sleet]

Ither way around

[hoary pivot]

what pois would be interesting in the map if they did a full fledged doom x fortnite lol, imo the world spear across the map in the background lol

[stoic sleet]

“Mortal body cant hold immortal soul”

[sharp moat]

if they did one they'd have to do a poi for every game crossover they do rlly just to remove it in 2 months

[stoic sleet]

I would choose doom hinter base or immora for poi ngl

[hoary pivot]

immora was really cool

[stoic sleet]

I love the contrast between immora and the rest of hell

[sharp moat]

imo the Doom cosmetics honestly had more love. 2016 lobby music, Gun wrap, crucible pickaxe, and the skin + 3 styles, backbling, and cacodemon glider is a lot

they rlly made a whole complete set

[stoic sleet]

The lobby was rip and tear

[sharp moat]

Like Halo theme didnt get lobby music, missed oppurtunity. Counter Strike had one if u owned MCC

[stoic sleet]

Yeah but imagine a mythic super shotgun with a meathook

[hoary pivot]

or the crucible as a mythic

[stoic sleet]

Or the bfg

It just lobbywipes

[sharp moat]

They didnt have a witcher weapon either with Gerald as secret skin

and the Fallout collab was just really the T-60 Power Armor and the rest made-up for the Fortnite aesthetic

[stoic sleet]

Fallout had items

[sharp moat]

was just the nuka cola and laser gun

and honestly it made sense to get some love considering the show was popular

[frail bloom]

The beginning of unholy siege sounds like wtsft at the drop idk if I'm tweaking

Also, the gallops also remind me of the final boss theme for omega flowey idk why I was reminded of it but it's a compliment

[lunar cape]

I really hope we can fight another Balgar in TDA !

[rough heart]

From trailer 2 i gonna watch cinematic

Gameplay can wait

Since is sp

[errant tundra]

Ordered collector's edition just now

[lunar cape]

https://tenor.com/view/akuyaku-reijou-tensei-ojisan-from-bureaucrat-to-villainess-anime-tondabayashi-kenzaburou-gif-3965822775937948428

[spare panther]

sounds like what

[warm ibex]

@hard thistle you might've answered this elsewhere, but do you have any theories on the connection between Doom 3's lovecraftian demons and TDA's?

I mean they can't just ignore that lol

[lean jasper]

This game is going to be peakkkkkkk

[silent surge]

mancubus

[warm ibex]

caco too

[obsidian shard]

and Phil

[hard thistle]

I'm not sure how much of it is an intentional callback, but I personally would ascribe the visual differences in Doom 3's demons to be geographical rather than an issue of evolution. The Maledict's domain is very different from all the other areas in Hell we've seen, much more surreal. I think that area happens to have lots of differences in the races that live there - pale Imps with extra eyes, Mancubi with elephant trunk-looking things, the Cacodemons, etc...

I don't really have any theories on specifically the design choices with TDA, though. Geographically it would not really make sense to align with Doom 3's stuff, so who knows.

[frail bloom]

"When the shadows first lengthened"
Yes I'm making acrynoms of the tracks cuz I love them

[warm ibex]

Interesting! I appreciate the response

[spiral cypress]

I ordered doom tda collectors edition the first day it came out when should it arrive here in germany?

[spare panther]

oh thats what i thought but the t as the last letter confused me

[frail bloom]

Oops

Ye ignore that

[warm ibex]

Not sure if this works based on what we currently know about Hell, but I've speculated that the lovecraftian demons in TDA are recently-corrupted inhabitants of the unnamed alternate dimension. Perhaps the Doom 3 critters are distantly related to them?

[frail bloom]

It's very orchestral I just love it

[warm ibex]

It should get to your location on May the 12th/13th

[frail bloom]

I do hope tho, don't kill me, that some tracks don't use metal and just use unique sounds to make up for the heaviness metal usually provides. I love some of the odd instruments they're bringing out, but composing a track made out of them can diversify the ost

Yet again I love every single one they dropped

What I'm saying is I want a track that achieves that hard combat style without using guitars, like Andrew hulshults holt composition, genuinley badass

I just feel bad for them, "Mick at home" is such a hurtful insult to a team who had nothing to do with Mick's mistreatment

[uneven dragon]

so are the tyrants called "cyberdemons" again in this game

which makes you wonder why they got called tyrants in eternal but whatever 😭

[lean jasper]

Did anyone else see the new lizard demon

[frail bloom]

My theory on the negativity, since ID and Mick had a falling out, those who are fans of Mick Gordon(die-hard) will downplay any music in doom after soley to spite ID, not to actually discuss why it's generic or dare they say not doom

[frail bloom]

They'll explain it in the codex

[frail bloom]

Yes mr. Beer belly

[plain iron]

It was probably to avoid confusion w 2016's cyberdemon.

[uneven dragon]

but then why call them cyberdemons again in TDA

i mean i get tyrant is the species name it just seems a little unnecessary now yk

[plain iron]

Because it's been almost 10 years since 2016

[uneven dragon]

oh well we got Legacy of Rust Tyrants out of it so i wont complain

[frail bloom]

Cyberdemon is more some sort of rank

[uneven dragon]

it had been 4 since 2016 </3

[frail bloom]

Not really a species name

More a description

[hard thistle]

This is definitely possible and a very good theory. The thing that's interesting about Hell at this point in time is that based on the lore 2016 gave us, this should be Hell's second full-scale invasion since Davoth died - the first being Doom II.

[uneven dragon]

It’s kind of weird how the spider mastermind is apparently the Dark Lord during 2016 but Davoth is still giving orders to demons during it

[plain iron]

Not really

[hard thistle]

2016's Testament line:

In the First Age... in the first battle... one stood.
This is logically referring to the events of Doom 1993. The First Age seems to have started when Davoth was struck down by the Father... sort of like how we treat history, with BC vs AD, AD being modern history.

So going by this, if the alternate dimension is a place Hell conquered, it may have been during the time when Hell was Jekkad.

[uneven dragon]

Ig you’d just wonder why he wouldn’t still be “the dark Lord” if he’s still commanding them yk

[plain iron]

Like. The Dark lords are generals, commanders maybe. There's still a dude above them

[hard thistle]

Yeah there's kind of a difference. Davoth's the Dark Lord, but Dark Lord is also a position held by the actual ruler at the moment.

[uneven dragon]

Yeah which is fine it just feels a little weird lol

[hard thistle]

Keep in mind that before TAG, Davoth had a different title. We're calling him the Dark Lord, but apparently Hell called him a different name after he was struck down.

[uneven dragon]

I do prefer the multiple dark lords thing tho

[hard thistle]

2016 gave him the title of "The Nameless One." Hell calls him that since, well, his name was taken.

[plain iron]

Lowkey banger name

[hard thistle]

I like to think the ARC/Samur/Codex calling Davoth the Dark Lord is a mistranslation of Hell text, and that the Nameless One remains his actual title in Hell up until his resurrection in TAG2.

[plain iron]

That's fair tbh, Samur has no excuse to fuck up, he was made by the dude, but yk

[uneven dragon]

I do wonder if TDA falls under the second age

[hard thistle]

I have to go for a bit, so if anyone has any questions pertaining to this, you can just ping me and I'll get to it when I can.

[frail bloom]

It's in the first age

Hugo says it in an interview

[hard thistle]

I'll end off by saying IIRC 2016 confirmed that TDA happens in the "First Age of Ascension" of Hell's history.

[uneven dragon]

Can you link?

[frail bloom]

No I can't😭

I'll paraphrase

"In the first age, in the first battle, when the shadows first lengthened, you're going to play that game"

It should be about 9 months ago

After the reveal trailer

[warm ibex]

Just a thought I had - we don't exactly know how Doomguy was able to escape to Argent D'Nur or how Hell was able to follow him, and (as far as I'm aware) it should technically be impossible for either of those things to happen during that point in time. Could Hell have somehow found a way into the unnamed dimension and then used its connection to Argent D'Nur to initiate their full scale invasion?

Maybe the war on the Sentinels is only half of the invasion

[uneven dragon]

so... TDA is the first battle...?

[frail bloom]

Idk ask hugo

Prob not since the first battle is a reference to the classic games iirc

[warm ibex]

To take this even further... Hell is after something called the "Heart of Argent" during Act I of TDA. If the HoA originated from the alternate dimension, Hell might have learned about it during their initial invasion and then shifted focus on Argent D'Nur once they realized they had the artifact and not the lovecraftian dimension

[grim cloud]

cancelled my pre-roder, because i have no use to Early Access anymore. I dont htink i will be able to take the days off and it would be wasted

so im gonig to buy standard isntead

[frail bloom]

That's alright but I'll have that cool artbook that people will take pictures of and post online😭

[coral cove]

Real.

But I'll also have the digital soundtrack in the art book

[frail bloom]

True

But it also releases two days later😭 🙏

Eh

[coral cove]

That could be a ancient wraith artifact perhaps?

[plain iron]

A lot of the time, hell was more contacted, then them actively finding out worlds. However. This doesn't seem the case for the sentinels, other than the slayer himself. The khan maykr wasn't aware of the demons iirc, or not to the extent as she does now. Maykrs haven't needed argent energy until Samur decided to mess around, if we're running w M0no's theory on when samur blessed the slayer and removed the father's lifesphere, then the maykrs contacting hell wouldn't be the reason why there's demons, as that happened before the presumed time maykrs needed argent.

Idk if I'm making sense but it's making sense to me

[coral cove]

Because, it i recollect, argent is hell energy combined with wraith energy, is it not?

[warm ibex]

That's what I'm thinking. The alternate dimension seems to be the home of the Wraiths

that's just a theory of course, but what I'm currently going with

[coral cove]

Or it could even be the quake dimension, aswell. Either way. It's exciting for sure.

[spare panther]

the chainshot and mace do look pretty wraithy honestly

pretty sure the mace has eyes on it

[plain iron]

I mean.

We can't just associate everything w eyes, w the wraiths

[spare panther]

fair but that is a big motif thing they have

[warm ibex]

Is this a counter point to my theory or just like proof that it wasn't the Maykrs that summoned Hell? I can't tell lol, sorry about that

[coral cove]

So I'm a wraith, now?

I have eyes so I must be/j

[grim cloud]

azrhak gets wraith horns and wraith eyeball tatoos, he is def doing something there

[warm ibex]

Cthulhu statues in what appears to be some sort of sacred sentinel location, and those statues have the same eye motif as the Wraith ship

[plain iron]

More of a aid to the idea. Eliminating ideas. So it's not the maykrs, the sentinels don't know of demons, and the slayer wouldn't have done anything with the demons intentionally

[warm ibex]

ah gotcha, thank you

[coral cove]

So the wraiths are likely to be a big story point in this game?

[plain iron]

Hell doesn't actively look for worlds it seems, it's more of a passive thing

[coral cove]

I'm gonna miss not having vega in my head constantly tbh.

[warm ibex]

really seems like they go after the worlds that seek to harvest their power

or those that accidentally tap into it

[plain iron]

It's like poking the anomaly in that rimworld dlc or smthn

[spare panther]

dw now you probably get thira, valen, novik, and maybe more

[plain iron]

Praying we still have samur frfr

[autumn dawn]

Thira will be your VEGA

[plain iron]

Copium

[warm ibex]

the suit has its own dedicated computer voice now, but it doesn't compete with vega

[coral cove]

Ah, didn't pay attention enough. I watched ur video playing it early and completely forgot about it rn lol

[plain iron]

Regarding Thira, I either think she's gonna be a lesbian or Valen's wife

[coral cove]

I just checked yt and the first video reccoended was the soundtrack from the new trailer :o

[warm ibex]

honestly not sure if I even mentioned that lol

[coral cove]

Nah i was meaning it didn't register that u were the youtuber

[dire prism]

doom the dark ages 4 > dark ages 1-3

[warm ibex]

oh! misunderstood

I get it, name is different

[dire prism]

is that the real horde mode gaming i sense

[warm ibex]

yessir

[dire prism]

Nice

you excited for dark ages?

[warm ibex]

certainly lol

[dire prism]

ive already preordered it twice

me too

[plain iron]

It's sometimes scary that I can just. Say hi to hoardmode😭

[coral cove]

I may be newish to the franchise, but I love the games

[dire prism]

hoardmode

[warm ibex]

HOARD

[dire prism]

wait are you the dude from twitter

with like 3k followers

[coral cove]

I only started around 2014 ish

[plain iron]

no.

[dire prism]

oh okay nvm

[plain iron]

Idk where tf you got that 💀

[dire prism]

the name

"samur maykr"

[warm ibex]

started in early 2016 myself! you have more experience than I do lol

[plain iron]

😭 we just share a name ig

[coral cove]

Doom 2016 and eternal are both amading games

[plain iron]

I don't use twitter anymore, bluesky is better.

[coral cove]

The gameplay holds up hard

[dire prism]

back in the big 2014 i was grinding inheritor in halo reach

and i was only like 12 so yea

[coral cove]

Real. Also just realized ur an australian

[plain iron]

Yeah lmfao

[coral cove]

I'm slightly ahead of you >:3

[dire prism]

i started doom before 2016 came out and i was playing 2016 with an NVIDIA GT 720 when it had come out

[plain iron]

NAUR

[dire prism]

barely managed like 30 fps at lowest resolution, graphical fidelity, and all settings

[coral cove]

New zealand

[plain iron]

Ah a kiwi.

[coral cove]

I played it on an Xbox one

[dire prism]

surprised it didnt explode lmao

[coral cove]

Andnill be playing dark ages on the series x

[dire prism]

ive preordered on pc and ps5

[coral cove]

I mean. Doom eternal can runnon xbox one

[dire prism]

and im so excited for painkiller too

[coral cove]

Not very well but.. it runs

[dire prism]

i was talking about PC on 2016 on GT 720 gpu...

[coral cove]

Ah

[dire prism]

yea

[coral cove]

Sorry, my misunderstanding

[dire prism]

all good

ngl

idk what else theyre supposed to do for the next doom game

[coral cove]

I had some regret when I bought the collectors edition, then I saw the thing on the xbox stream

And then I didn't regret it.

[dire prism]

except another dark ages during a different sentinel time

[coral cove]

Give doomguy infinite berserk

[dire prism]

dark ages but with batman arkham combat as doom slayer >>>

hollup am i cooking?

[coral cove]

Make classic cheat codes work, if you unlock the card or something

[dire prism]

4 player coop on dark ages

[coral cove]

Like make it so you can type it into a terminal

[dire prism]

host is slayer but 3 other players are night sentinels

game would crash atp

[fleet spruce]

Welcome back Quake 2

[coral cove]

Real

[dire prism]

quake 1>>>>

[fleet spruce]

No no, the constant "Computer updated"

[dire prism]

nah im saying in general

also where's quake 1 rtx, need asap

[fleet spruce]

There's mod iirc

[dire prism]

interesting imma go check it out

[coral cove]

Oh god imagine

Doom 2016 RTX

[dire prism]

4070 super explodes on the spot

[coral cove]

needa a rtx 6090 to run

[fleet spruce]

tbh it doesn't really need ray tracing at all, looks great as is

[dire prism]

rtx 7099*

WTF quake 1 rtx is gorgeous

[coral cove]

Fair

[hard thistle]

Okay, I'm back. I'd like to summarize why this is kind of a plothole:
The lore establishes that prior to the Urdak pact, Hell had no way to freely invade other realms after the Father cut Jekkad off from the rest of reality. Thus they had to do things like latch onto dimensional gateway experiments. This is what happens in the classic games, and it's the first time Hell has done it since Davoth died. The pact with Urdak is what changed this; the Maykrs allowed Hell to invade worlds they had subjugated in exchange for the energy they'd reap and the restraint to not completely destroy the place.
Thus, the question remains: if the Sentinels had never encountered the demons before, how did Doomguy go from Hell to Argent D'Nur when no connection was present?

Now, this ties into a major theory I have, which is Doom 3 - that the Martians in Doom 3 are a splinter Sentinel sect that split off from the rest of them and universe-hopped to another Mars. There they encountered the demons, and Doomguy post-64 made his way from Hell to this version of Mars, becoming their Martian Hero. Doom 3 has a tomb for the Hero, but it's never explicitly confirmed he died; only that the Martians expected him to.
My theory basically entails that after Doomguy stopped this invasion, he would have found a Sentinel teleporter and, with nothing else to do, entered it and dropped right on Sentinel Prime's doorstep.

That said, to address your actual question, the unnamed dimension idea is really interesting and it would make a lot of sense for TDA to address it by tying it into Hell's invasion of Argent D'Nur. It could also tie, potentially, into the Slayer's guilt; Ranak mocks him in Eternal and claims that Hell only found Argent D'Nur by following Doomguy when he ended up on the planet. If your speculation ended up being true, it'd show that Ranak is wrong, and Doomguy is not "at fault."

In general I'm very excited for this whole alt dimension thing. I'm hoping it ends up being Drumavi somehow, and I'd be pretty into the idea of it tying into the Sentinels and providing an explanation to patch up the plothole of how Hell found Argent D'Nur in the first place.

[fleet spruce]

this oddly makes a lot of sense

[warm ibex]

I do really like the Doom 3 martian theory, I think that would be a great way to tie every game together very neatly in a way that doesn't disrupt previously established canon

[hard thistle]

Thanks, I really like it too - but I doubt they'll ever confirm something like this as it seems they generally don't want to involve 3 too much in the storytelling of the modern games. I'd be happy with either of these outcomes, personally.

[warm ibex]

Maybe Doomguy was the first to find a way out of the alt dimension and into Argent D'Nur. It would make sense for him to follow Hell into an unknown world if he was under the impression that another earth was being conquered, and he would eventually need to find a way back out after being overwhelmed by monsters from two realities. the demons take note and follow him when they're ready to take hold of the Heart

[hard thistle]

Would be very interesting, especially considering how delirious and traumatized he is when he gets to Argent D'Nur.

Like some especially bad shit happened.

[plain iron]

He's just a silly dude yk

Sometimes you need to become severely psychotic

[warm ibex]

I can only imagine what horrors a dimension with titan cthulhu holds lol

[plain iron]

His mind was touched by the void :3

[grim cloud]

cthulu hell

just like the Eldritch Runes of Discord megawad

[shut dome]

Anyone knows if dark ages going to have KBM support on PS5?

[fleet spruce]

Thanks, added it to my playlist

currently halfway through the BTSX E1

[hoary pivot]

I wonder how the marauder would look like in TDA

[hollow sandal]

Perhaps an average night sentinel?

[real crater]

yeah there probably wont be marauders in the game

kinda hard to have a night sentinel who sided with hell in the civil war if the civil war didnt happen uet

at least as far as i know

[mystic barn]

The Marauder equivalent is the Agaddon Hunters though

[hollow sandal]

Facts

[pliant coral]

There we go, just pre-ordered the game

[obsidian shard]

Awesome

[obsidian shard]

My Fav Dino on X is here

[pliant coral]

Yep. Premium edition too

[obsidian shard]

Awesome, Im Waiting for CB, so hoping it arrives on Time

[pliant coral]

Ah very nice.
Oddly when in click to pre-order it said playable by May 12th at 5pm. Hm guess just depends on time-zones or something rather

[spare panther]

What time zone is the 5pm thing i wanna convert it to my own

[pliant coral]

PST
Best part is I can download it on the 10th so it will be ready before it’s time to play.

[wooden acorn]

Day 88 of 112

[slim nexus]

[grim cloud]

what FOV will yall be playing at?

[spare panther]

depends what my ps5 will allow lol

if i can probably like 110/120

[grim cloud]

i have ultrawide monitor, im at 120 for doom and eternal

[obsidian shard]

yes

[turbid hamlet]

max fov

true gamer

I remember Ultrakill has 200 fov maximum

[final dune]

Question

I hear people talking about quake and how it takes place in the lovecraft universe and stuff and how the other dimension in doom the dark ages could be that

And im here thinking

“Quake? Like the quake with the strogg?”

So like what am i getting confused on here

[hard thistle]

That's Quake 2. They mean Quake 1.

[final dune]

So are they in the same universe and whats the story of quake 1?

[hard thistle]

I don't know enough about Quake to say for sure but IIRC Quake 2 was meant to be completely disconnected.
Quake 1's about you being a military guy who has to stop a Lovecraft monster from destroying everything after it sends its forces to invade your military base. Also you go through portals to elder realms and shit.

[final dune]

Okie dokie

[warm ibex]

I believe they are now

it's been a while since I've read through the Quake Champions lore, but it seems like they're distantly connected

[mossy flicker]

I can’t wait to see the cosmic baron 😭

[autumn dawn]

what does the cosmic baron look like?

[mossy flicker]

We don’t know

But it’s name was spotted on a whiteboard of demon names

[stoic sleet]

Yea

[fleet spruce]

shame I'm gonna be at work during TDA release week

[drowsy rock]

Just curious, So can we expect that the Slayer will be captured at the end of the game?

[drowsy rock]

I’m not aware of the lore, so I might be wrong.

[fleet spruce]

We don't know, but most likely not.

[drowsy rock]

Secondly, are we ever going to vet something beyond DOOM Eternal or the story is done? And now we are playing catch up with the story till DOOM 2016?

[sleek ermine]

agaddon hunters from the telos realm

[fleet spruce]

There's definitely going to be something after Eternal, we've been given numerous hints so far. The mysterious voice from Urdak level and existence of beings beyond Davoth. Then you have Samur undergoing transfiguration into eldritch monster. It's vague but there are many ways they can go about post-Eternal game.

[drowsy rock]

I see

[drowsy rock]

Thanks

[fleet spruce]

No problem, just keep in mind it's more of a speculation based on what we have rather than concrete information

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-slayer-poster-gif-5764922097783755967

[fleet spruce]

real

[mild loom]

I think I should preorder

[drowsy rock]

Yeah ik.

[drowsy rock]

Already did, the day it was opened.

[mild loom]

The deluxe version?

[grave cave]

I can't help it, my brain is doom everything

[mild loom]

Doom is running on your brain

[mossy flicker]

Wait this might be a plot hole
Samuel said in doom eternal that titans can only be killed or contained by a slayers crucible
Doom slayer needed to keep his blade in that Taras Nebad titan
And use his on the icon of sin and keep it in him
So why are we mowing down titans in the dark ages when they shouldn’t be killable like that.
Am I misunderstanding something?

[fleet spruce]

Titan-sized demons was mentioned in the direct, which I assume are those gargantuan demons that are not quite titans therefore can be killed with classic "shoot it until it dies" approach

[mossy flicker]

Maybe your right
The actual titans are way bigger

[mystic barn]

No, they're definitely Titans. They're the same species and they scale well with the titan of Taras Nabad. I guarantee they'll explain this discrepancy through the Eldritch power Azhrak imbues hell's forces with

[drowsy rock]

Btw Azhrak is weaker than Davoth right?

[drowsy rock]

Na the standard one

[mild loom]

i think i'll go deluxe

[drowsy rock]

Yeah, it includes DLCs

So it's confirmed that this game is getting DLCs

[lament grove]

Collectors edition ordered 👅

[plain iron]

I'm still so happy we got more ahzrak shit

[sleek ermine]

ahzrak full power form

he was also burning

[plain iron]

I love my wife.

Idc if he's on fire he's my wife

[vagrant path]

why you calling him your wife?🤨

[plain iron]

He's my wife :]

[jaunty stump]

I didnt want to

[inner wigeon]

He should be

[mild loom]

Oh?

[jaunty stump]

but due to being on this server / in the chats...they made me...I just pre-ordered the collectors edition 🫡

[mild loom]

OMG your gonna get the helmet

[jaunty stump]

nono, the figure 😄

[mild loom]

I’m so jelly

[mild loom]

STILL

[jaunty stump]

so I've got something to put beside me while gaming 😛

[plucky plinth]

I got too much shit already, and I couldn’t really stomach paying that much for what it included

[plain iron]

Fair fair

[jaunty stump]

I gave a lot of my past collectors stuff away

so now I've mostly only got (art) books and stuff

and I never had a physical doom copy ❤️

[plucky plinth]

Most of my stuff is really only collectible to me

There’s my Catacomb 3D box and also the Big Box Doom + Doom 2 thing

But otherwise all of it’s really only collectible to me

[jaunty stump]

I met some gamers from time to time, they were happy to take over 😛

now question is, when are physical pre-orders being shipped by bethesda :3

[proud vine]

I feel like that shouldn't have been shown in the trailer ngl

Keep it as a surprise

[plain iron]

I don't think it's his full form lowkey

[woven jolt]

we didn't see it, we just saw him transforming, the slayer also looked up, indicating he obviously grew larger

[mossy flicker]

So we will probably get one last trailer? The launch trailer but I feel like it’ll just be all the trailers kinda fused

[proud vine]

Probably

[mossy flicker]

We could see about 2 or 3 fights with azrahk

First fight slayer loses
Second fight gets interrupted
3rd fight he wins

[proud vine]

Seeing the slayer lose would be interesting ngl

[woven jolt]

nah, slayer won't lose

[proud vine]

Exactly

[woven jolt]

it'll uninstall if he does

[proud vine]

Now we are overreacting a bit

[woven jolt]

who's we

nah, it's true

slayer:
nah, I'd win

[plain iron]

No he's gonna lose, I hope he does.

He's a horrific Mary Sue.

[mossy flicker]

I hope that witch character will be a boss

[plain iron]

I think she might be a dlc boss

[mossy flicker]

She could be the main villain and it’ll be some bait and switch

[mossy flicker]

Maybe

[proud vine]

Nu uh

If the slayer is a mary sure then i am micheal jackson

[plain iron]

... he's a Mary Sue.

[mossy flicker]

He’s a bit too op

[plain iron]

He never loses, he somehow knows what to do always, he never struggles, he is "epic and cool and badass". He is the most cookie cutter Mary Sue.

[mossy flicker]

I agree

[proud vine]

Fair point ngl

[plain iron]

He doesn't have flaws, I'd like to see him actually hurt the people around him. I want to see him be mentally ill, because he obviously has mental issues, but it's never written in a physical sense.

[mossy flicker]

He technically does fail bc idk how argent dnur fell if the sentinels had him as their ally

[woven jolt]

I don't think he has mental issues in the physical part. I think he's just been fighting hell for so long that he's pushed most emotions and such away and just focused on anger.

[mossy flicker]

He probably does fail in this game for once

[woven jolt]

well, it was technially an inside job and the slayer was betrayed

it wasn't technically a battle the slayer completely lost

[plain iron]

Im a be fr, that's not how mental illness works 😭 you can't just... ignore it and focus on emotions, which even if he does, that's also a mental illness 💀

[woven jolt]

well, doomguy's been alive for a LONG time fighting so many demons. you probably can't compare his condition to traditional mental stuff lol

plus, we know anger is his #1 emotion mostly lol

[plain iron]

it's called PTSD and it's quite obvious he has it

Even as his time as a marine would cause it.

[woven jolt]

well, in the eternal flashback, it was mostly him going insane over fighting demons, that's with the whole "huge guts" speech, not sure if it's ptsd or just so being used to fighting demons

[plain iron]

That's... that's ptsd induced psychosis