the-dark-ages

[graceful lion]

but that was in the gladiator fight which wedgied my ass the few times i did it, so i was shaking throughout the whole thing

and i proceeded to somehow lock the fuck in when the boss isnt there, and 4 cycled a marauder without using a method to keep him stunned for longer

[barren iron]

really leaning into the eldritch horror

such good design

[frail bloom]

It's 2016 but much creepier

Hot take but it's muh favorite

Also is it me or has it not reached puberty yet

[stray pollen]

Honestly the soft call noises is so much creepier than the snarly screech they do in 2016/Eternal

[frail bloom]

I agree, it was so outta left field but it's such a distinct sound

My favowite spaghetti boi

Imma parry him to death

@silent surge sorry for pinging. I can't post the link but there is a article by the name of XDA that tells you all the demons in tda so far and they listed chaingunners, are they in the game(from what you've seen or been told)?

[silent surge]

A PING WHAT?????
nah idc!

not that i can remember

[grim cloud]

Where is article? but no chaingunner seen yet

in fact no zombie soldiers of any kind unless you consider the grunt things as their iteration this time

[frail bloom]

It's by the name XDA, lemme send a pic

[pallid wing]

Cybercow and arachnotron have chaingun attacks...
Not unlikely we get the zombie man yoo

[grim cloud]

its okay i have google

arachnotron is called Mindreaver i think

[frail bloom]

#screenshots message

Article goes by the name XDA

[pallid wing]

Oh, and the weapon is the Reaver Chainshot

[grim cloud]

yah i dont think there are chaingunners yet, not sure where he got the name Behemoth

[frail bloom]

Me either

Just checkin in

[grizzled thicket]

behemoth?

whats that supposed to be

[pallid wing]

Beeg

[grizzled thicket]

wut

[pallid wing]

Behemoth is a beeg boi

[grizzled thicket]

so it's just some random big daemon?

[pallid wing]

I don't see behemoth on the list in screenshots... Am I blind?

[frail bloom]

You have to scroll down on the actual website

[grizzled thicket]

oooh

[pallid wing]

There is the spider boss thing. What's that called?

[frail bloom]

Vagary?

[pallid wing]

Really? Vagary was a teleporting imp in doom 3. Just like the prowler.

[frail bloom]

The spider lady in doom 3

Was also called the vagary

[pallid wing]

Ahhh...

[grim cloud]

ur thinking of Vulgur

[pallid wing]

My bad. Take away my doom credentials.

[grim cloud]

or maybe the doom 3 prowler which was called the wraith

and the Doom 3 guardian might just be a TDA Pinky

[frail bloom]

Idk about that

[grim cloud]

well similar species, minus the dumb seekers which were always stupid

[pallid wing]

Blind boss was a really cool mechanic. Gears of war also had a good blind boss. The last of us and bioshock3 had cool blind enemies. And I think hl:a had a blind boss too.

[grim cloud]

meh, im a shoot it until it dies kinda type boss fan

bfg edition gave us a proper guardian fight in lost mission

[frail bloom]

Here's my list of the demons we've seen:
1)Imp stalker(classic imp)
2)Pinky rider
3)Pinky rider leader
4)Titan
5)Mancubus
6)Agaddon Hunter
7)Energy shield soldier
8)Soldier
9)Zombie
10)Revenant
11)Arachnotron
12)Cacodemon
13)Hellknight
14)Tyrant
15)Imp
16)Vagary
17)Classic Lost soul
18)Assrak
19)Battleknight
20)Hell carrier
21)Boss cacodemon?
22)Armored titan
23)Hell tank
24)Komodo
25)Cthulhu cacodemon
26)Cosmic Baron
27)Serfs
28)Acolytes
29)Battle knight leader
30)Stone imp
31)Armored Mancubus
32)Mancubus leader
33)Metal shield soldier
34)Tentacle
35)Titan cyclops

That is 5 more than base eternal and 5 under from tag 1+2
Other demons are yet to be revealed. Phew

[grim cloud]

im not sure if id include mech, they are just stationary obstacles

at least from what we have seen, ambiant AI

[frail bloom]

You mean dragon

The titans move alot

Oh you mean hell carriers and tanks

Well you have to fight em

[grim cloud]

yes, its a starcraft term i guess

[frail bloom]

Idk I'd include them but whatev

[grim cloud]

well the tower and cueball weren't really demons either, just things

from doom eternal

[frail bloom]

Yeah I guess ambient ai would fit them better

(Best ambient ai if that's the case )

[slender onyx]

the cacodemon looks swag

[weary current]

that is such a cool name for them

[wooden acorn]

Day 75 of 112

[final dune]

There's two different cacodemons?

[feral vault]

Guys what if we called him prince ahzcrak? I think it would be funny

[frail bloom]

Yeah so there's normal cacos, a boss cacodemon from the direct and a really big one from a picture someone took in the backround of one of the dev direct clips

[vapid lodge]

this is extremely helpful

because I kept feeling lack of demons variety

[frail bloom]

Yeah and there is more to come than just this!

[harsh egret]

not sure if u mentioned the cthulhu looking green monster from one of the concept arts

not the caco

[frail bloom]

I called it a cthulhu caco

Lemme get the pic

[harsh egret]

its nothing like a caco tho

it just looks like its related to this version of the caco

[frail bloom]

It's a placeholder name😭

[frail bloom]

This guy right?#screenshots message

[plain iron]

No but you have a point

That does look like the new caco

[frail bloom]

Yeah it looks like a big caco

Idk what to say

[grim cloud]

piss off vega, u little fuck face

cant evne link messages anymore

check classic-doom-maps for my chtulu caco

but why is there a larger variant? maybe its something else

[plain iron]

Dragon fight

[grim cloud]

i bet we fight that azzrak guy on a dragon, its a dragon on demon dragon fight

[rough heart]

Tbh mancubus face looks like pyrana or that meat bomb from cs nz

[harsh egret]

nah

ill try to find the pic

[frail bloom]

Huh is it that grey bulky demon

No one is talking about it btw if it's not that I'll get the pic

[harsh egret]

#screenshots that one

[frail bloom]

Oh that

It looks like a fodder idk

[harsh egret]

it looks like a big ass mf ngl

maybe ill be wrong

[frail bloom]

Lemme get the pic of that grey guy

@harsh egret #screenshots messagenot exactly sure what this is

[harsh egret]

its the armored hellknight from one of their screenshots on steam

just with less armor pieces than that one

[frail bloom]

It looks much beefier idk

[harsh egret]

maybe was supposed to be a demonstration of destructable armor and stuff

[frail bloom]

Looks like the cyclops titan honestly

[harsh egret]

if u look at the thing hanging from his belt and the spikes on his shoulder u should see the resembelance

[frail bloom]

Yeah it's probably early concept art

[harsh egret]

the color of the armor

[frail bloom]

I was getting worried

[harsh egret]

like i said it could also be to demonstrate how armor would fall off as u do damage to him

[frail bloom]

I thought it was the baron😭 🙏

[harsh egret]

they did that with destructable demons at e3

[frail bloom]

Thank god it's not

[harsh egret]

nah

[frail bloom]

Hopefully

[harsh egret]

beefy armored hell knight

[frail bloom]

Hey where are the gargoyles

Weren't they pests during the war against hell

They would pick off civilians in night time

@hard thistle

[hard thistle]

Gargoyles are Sentinel pests, yes, but by Eternal they seem to have become essentially demons.

[frail bloom]

Oh they were different I didn't know that

I thought they remained the same because they had flight even by then

Bypassing the walls or smt

[harsh egret]

just watched horde's latest vid, says the name of that armored baron is confirmed to be the battle knight

[hard thistle]

It's not clear if they changed physically. But they seem to live in Hell now.

[frail bloom]

Wait lemme watch

[grim cloud]

its a titan, one of the few variants. I think they are all related. I doubt there is a whole ecosystem of super sized demons

[frail bloom]

He says the armored hellknight is called a battleknight

Nowhere does he mention baron

[grim cloud]

oh and the battle knight is a Hell KNight,

what he said

i hope we get to see Classic Hell KNights and Barons. Green blood please

[frail bloom]

Agreed🙏

They would fit perfectly alongside impstalkers

The music during the caco showcase is so bubbly and foreboding

Varied as hell

[neon perch]

I don't know what to make of the new Caco design.

It... sure exists. Just like the 2016 Mancubus.

[frail bloom]

I love it

Very doom 3 coded and 2016 coded

Just cuz it's different doesn't make it bad

The noise it makes is so cute

[neon perch]

It's literally an Octabrain.

[frail bloom]

Nah

[harsh egret]

lore wise it for sure is connected to the guy in the pic i posted in #screenshots

[frail bloom]

The caco?

Like from the same dimension?

[harsh egret]

the caco to the one i posted yh

probably

[frail bloom]

Right

[harsh egret]

wherever they are from they are clearly connected

[upbeat lark]

Fellow slayers are you guys ready to rip and tear apart some demons?

[warm ibex]

it's an awesome name

[harsh egret]

[warm ibex]

they're cooking up a feast

[frail bloom]

Huh? I didn't see the word baron anywhere am I mistaken?

[warm ibex]

It's an armored Hell Knight

I assumed that's what Hato meant

[frail bloom]

Alright👍

[warm ibex]

can't wait to see the baron's design...

a classic baron would be sick

[frail bloom]

Better have a classic variation

Im not against original designs

But not having a classic baron would be such a downer

Like I said, at least variations

[warm ibex]

I loved seeing the classic Hell Knight again in Eternal

the gladiator without the eyepatch and gear is clean as fuck

one of my favorite demon designs oat

[frail bloom]

And here's the thing, it would work so well#artwork message

Credits to Iamfozziebear that legend

[warm ibex]

I didn't realize he was in here! His art is spectacular

Loved his TDA remake of the classic cover art demon, really hoping those guys make it in. They're all over the Sentinel codex pages in Eternal

so it only makes sense that they pop up

[frail bloom]

Exactly they look like beefed up versions of the doom 1 cover art demon

Which is essentially a baron

Can't retcon it now 🙏

Oh and those same exact guys lol

[rough heart]

Soon soon

[rough heart]

In eternal he looks like kinda gorilla

With eyes discovered

[frail bloom]

Do you mean his eyepatch?

[rough heart]

Yea

In 2016 he didnt had eyes kinda

[frail bloom]

Wait are you talking about the gladiator or the basic hellknight in eternal

Because the gladiator is a classic hell knight

Eternal's hellknight is either an evolution or extremely related

[hollow sandal]

@warm ibex cool video today

[frail bloom]

Ye very informational

[hard thistle]

the codex says the hell knight has "long served as barbaric enforcers of the overworld" which also describes classic barons so yeah they got to be related

[warm ibex]

thank you!

[hard thistle]

not the overworld the netherworld

been watching too much minecraft movie content

[vagrant path]

Chicken jocke-

[hollow sandal]

Is it accurate to say this game is medieval themed?

[vagrant path]

absolutely.

[pseudo briar]

is the game a more grounded version of doom eternal or will it still have that crazy mobility that we all love doom eternal for?

[plucky plinth]

more than likely much more grounded

[solemn wyvern]

Wombo combo

[rough heart]

Hell knight in eternal

[grim cloud]

the battle knight is more than just a armored hell knight, it has its own AI and unique attacks. Armored Mancubi and Pinkies seem to just be the same thing as their unarmored lesser versions

[final dune]

i think we gettin a trailer soon

hugo said that the "reveal of the dark ages bfg is coming soon"

thats what was in horde mode gamings video

[scenic lichen]

Is it true that we'll be able to change the color of projectiles in the settings?

i think i saw a screenshot of that somehwere

[formal root]

shit, I guess the spider super heavy is indeed called the vagary

We are getting a lot of doom 3 call backs with this one

[plain iron]

Wait it is?

[woven jolt]

"soon" could mean anything. when some people got a sneak peak at Quakecon 2024, Hugo said more footage would also come "soon." that soon happened to be months. obviously, the game is releasing in May, but the new trailer might just release like 2 weeks before

[formal root]

mhm

[plain iron]

Huh, interesting

[formal root]

yeah

[final dune]

well they havent really released a story trailer yet so i think its gonne be in that

[formal root]

so we literally have two demons that resemble the ones from doom 3

[plain iron]

Peak is finally getting recognition

[grim cloud]

where was that said?

also, i expect a new trailer soon, maybe this week

[tribal lagoon]

when was this said?

[formal root]

Watching one of horde gaming’s videos rn and idk if the official name is like true

Still, it most likely is the official name

i’m just surprised that yknow

doom 3 recognition in like reboot titles

[solemn wyvern]

Inb4 the cherubs or the legacy of rust demons come back

[plain iron]

Cherubs are definitely going to be a maykr type eventually imo

[solemn wyvern]

Probably

[plain iron]

They'd probably have the name cherubim than cherub but yknow

[formal root]

if the TDA will have eldritch beings

they should bring back the maggot from doom 3

[tribal lagoon]

there where quite a few call backs to Doom 3 in 2016 if i remember correctly

[formal root]

the one I remember was in the ost

i forget what song, but a part has the same melody as the doom 3 theme

[fleet spruce]

Doom 2016 itself parallels Doom 3 a lot

[fleet spruce]

You're thinking of Harbringer

[formal root]

YEAH

thank you

[tribal lagoon]

the Soul Cubes also in 2016 as well as Super Turbo Turkey Puncher, and the Hell Knight design is taken straight from Doom 3

[formal root]

damn

well i’m glad it has now a bigger part with more enemies from there

[fleet spruce]

like general events of 2016 are identical to 3

[plain iron]

We love the random arcade esque games in 2016/3

We have 2. But that's more than 0

[fleet spruce]

iirc there's a match 3 game hidden in 2016 lmao

[formal root]

there is, just very easy to miss

[plain iron]

Demon destruction, yeah?

[fleet spruce]

maybe? I forgot how its called but it's certainly there

[dire prism]

i need it.... SO BAD

[fleet spruce]

https://youtu.be/io2vPnroPig?si=SpNnnJ2nbI3XkOvC

Oh yeah it is

[plain iron]

Yeah lmfao

Candy crush but demons

[dire prism]

i never knew about this... crazy.

[plain iron]

Olivia is one of the highest scorer 😭

I love her so much

[fleet spruce]

gotta have some entertainment while doing cultist shit

[vapid lodge]

I always hated the original death sound for the archvile in DOOM 2.. now they kinda added to the big imp in TDA

its a higher pitch, but small

goddamn that sound

[dire prism]

i wonder what food the cultists eat

and i wonder if they drink mtn dew

actually i wonder

if the night sentinels had soda

[plain iron]

Olivia was a fucking gamer in that regard, she actually has pizza in her office.

[vapid lodge]

Nah its not called Mountain dew

its called Spear Dew

[dire prism]

spear juice

[vapid lodge]

you know.... because of the world spear... highest peak there.... Ill let myself out

[dire prism]

????? wait she has an office

wait do you mean the one in 2016 when she was forcing open the portal in that one tower or whatever

[vapid lodge]

curious to see how it looks

[plain iron]

Yeah. Where demon destruction is, that's her office lmfao

In the Lazarus labs iirc

[dire prism]

oh bruh im dumb lol its been so long

cant believe its been 9 years since doom 2016 came out bruh i was 14 and in my first year of HS or just getting out of 8th grade

[vapid lodge]

there are many details like this in Eternal too, literally computer sounds you know hear only at one of them

[dire prism]

and now im nearly 23

[vapid lodge]

its amazing the details they keep adding

[vapid lodge]

reverse the numbers and thats my age lol

[dire prism]

32?

[vapid lodge]

literally old as DOOM

yes

[dire prism]

nice, my half-brothers are 35 and 33 i think

and ive got two younger sisters that are 20 and 21

[vapid lodge]

[dire prism]

😭

[vapid lodge]

big family

[dire prism]

ye for sure

unfortunately my mom neither stayed with either of our dads, both ended in divorce

[plain iron]

How do I have a sibling that's older than you

[vapid lodge]

I have a younger sister and I kept creating fake viruses and error messages to break her games, so I can play more, we only had one pc

[dire prism]

idk man ask your parents

my dad is 52

[plain iron]

My dad is 64

[dire prism]

unc status

[plain iron]

Mind you I'm not even 18 yet lmfao

[dire prism]

my dad was 30 when i was born (in 2002) so it makes sense ig

[hollow sandal]

No problem. way more enjoyable than a particular doom content creator who is declaring his "lack of excitement" for the game

[empty ridge]

Stone Imps? And what about the Imp Stalker that goes invisible?

[plain iron]

Those are called nightmare imps iirc

[empty ridge]

Is it confirmed or just an assumption?

[vapid lodge]

so far they behave like the stone imps

spinning a little

[plain iron]

The ones that go invisible are from 64 iirc

Hence the name

[empty ridge]

I don't think they are stone imps by name but the person that made the list said Imps and Stone imps

[grim cloud]

are those mullet hair imps the stone imps? or is there a version of them that is stone imps. I know i saw one do the hedgehoge thing

[empty ridge]

Yes but they might just have another name in TDA, this don't shoot

[empty ridge]

It seems that the hairy imps are the ones that does it and not a variation

[silent surge]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-maiden-heavy-metal-band-metal-band-album-art-gif-16853626

stone imps you say?

ok wow that one’s bright

[grim cloud]

thank you for the siezure

[hollow sandal]

Bruh

[warm ibex]

The Spectre Imp Stalker is called a Nightmare Imp

The grey modern Imps are just Imps

The green modern Imps are Stone Imps

[grim cloud]

i have not seen the green imps yet i dont htink,

[warm ibex]

It's very subtle, you've probably seen them without realizing it

I'll send a pic, hold up

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870799179490942988/1359384271281979472/image.png?ex=67f748c2&is=67f5f742&hm=5b71a97b2ba53a4251e6ad9f655761b24703af5ba8b182a94c14dbaf212cc1aa&

Part of it is covered in blood, but you can still see the green skin

[woven jolt]

aren't the stone imps back also?

[warm ibex]

That is the stone imp

[woven jolt]

ohh

[woven jolt]

also, do you know if the alt fire for the skull crusher is the tighter spread variant or is that a mod? like the triple burst for the standard shotgun

[warm ibex]

There are no weapon mods, only two variants in each class

[woven jolt]

is the triple burst an upgrade?

[warm ibex]

yeah, it's a branching upgrade

so you'll have two to choose between on that upgrade slot

[woven jolt]

oh, so you have choices of upgrades then

[warm ibex]

But yeah, the spread choke is a Crusher variant. The other one if the Pulverizer, which is the only one that's been shown in action so far

[woven jolt]

huh, seems kinda lazy for a skull variant to just be a tighter spread

[warm ibex]

it's a pretty neat feature! seems like you can almost create builds based on what you want out of a gun. damage vs resource gain, that type of stuff

[warm ibex]

It's a bit more than just a tighter spread

[woven jolt]

well, I suppose if the gun has its own upgrades separate from the normal crusher then I guess so

[warm ibex]

the Pulverizer is meant to be used on large crowds of demons. It has an insane horizontal spread and very short range so you can chew through hordes of fodder and lighter heavies to give yourself more room to fight the big guys. The unnamed spread choke seems to make it a direct fire weapon, taking away the crowd control capabilities in exchange for more range and higher efficiency against the larger enemies

[final dune]

The skull crusher and also maybe the shotgun seem like they would be really good against armor

[warm ibex]

the crusher is good for shield soldier formations

[woven jolt]

I hope all the auto weapons have a different purpose to them, seeing as there seems to be more auto than anything else

[warm ibex]

their special abilities are where they really shine

[woven jolt]

for sure

[woven jolt]

do you remember any upgrades for the super shotgun?

[warm ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870799179490942988/1359391006772039780/image.png?ex=67f74f08&is=67f5fd88&hm=205a4b5e11a3c6cc88a6c5d705e1d9bfeb59b9fe65cd099f9c193d09acb5ba9a&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870799179490942988/1359391007220699237/image.png?ex=67f74f08&is=67f5fd88&hm=5dcceb6d6ee421e4442b11ed9dde7739dadbaa640d99a85135524b4f10af528f&

The upgrades beside each other are choices, you can only equip one of them

[woven jolt]

I meant super shotgun

[warm ibex]

fuck

I totally read that and then sent the combat shotgun anyways lmao

[woven jolt]

lol

[warm ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870799179490942988/1359391597497815040/image.png?ex=67f74f95&is=67f5fe15&hm=a12b14e511174d66c4b2833a432e9a007385aa001a168f6ecba23c563b99bfa2&

[woven jolt]

it's a little interesting how little upgrades there are, for 22 levels, it seems we would unlock all of the upgrades in the first 5 or so

[warm ibex]

you'll be upgrading eleven guns, three melee weapons, the standard shield and four shield runes

[woven jolt]

true, but I'm sure some people aren't going to be using the entire arsenal

[warm ibex]

and that's on them!

you're given all these cool guns with special abilities, it would be so much more fun to actually use them

[woven jolt]

well, as long as each gun is unique and stuff, I would hope the game convinces players to use more

[empty ridge]

Where did you get the names? Also for the stone Imp?

[warm ibex]

In-game tutorials that appeared before the segment that could be recorded

for the Stone Imp, at least. The Imp Stalker was revealed through a social media post and the Nightmare Imp is a returning demon

[empty ridge]

Thanks

It's weird that they are called stone imps and they have hair and are green

[warm ibex]

try not to think about it too hard lol

[grim cloud]

i think if the stone imp is seperate than non-stone imp, we need a better skin. They look almost the same. Id say just use the TAG2 one, with green neon whatevers

but the press demo is olver three months old, polish it out easily right now. I can adobe that in 15 minutes myself

readablilty is very important so one knows what enemy is in the field.

[warm ibex]

I'd have to agree, they need to be a bit more noticable in the heat of battle

[formal root]

so like

the vagary and the komodo are the official names for the spider and lizard demons?

[woven jolt]

yes

[formal root]

damn, thats cool

[autumn dawn]

the ssg fires projectiles...?

[placid saffron]

Boring stat upgrades

[dreamy kiln]

Hear me out

[placid saffron]

Meanwhile the CSG has some cool upgrades where did that creativity go 😭

[autumn dawn]

hear me out what

[dreamy kiln]

Doom the dark ages is bethesdas Version of heretic

[autumn dawn]

mm...... maybe

[placid saffron]

Me when an fps has the generic, most boiled down aesthetics of another fps:

(I know nothing abiut heretic)

[autumn dawn]

that'd be the same as saying Valorant is Riot Game's version of Overwatch

they're very similar

similar, but not identical

[dreamy kiln]

It's basically doom with different sprites, weapons and a slightly altered engine

[graceful lion]

it always did

[placid saffron]

So doom the dark ages is actually bethesda's version of doom

[graceful lion]

this is what we saw from a build that was months old

[placid saffron]

And doom is ID's version of wolfenstein

And wolfenstein is ID's version of battlezone

[placid saffron]

Generally if those are put in already i don't think we can expect radically different upgrades

[graceful lion]

i really dont think itd take alot of time to change the upgrades up

well its not like eternal's upgrades were really that insane either

[placid saffron]

Yeah and i dislike the boring stat upgrades there too 🫡

[placid saffron]

Well depends, for more unique mechanics it can. And it's now mostly in the polishing stage

[warm ibex]

I guess they're calling each individual pellet a projectile

Which is an interesting way of handling upgrades

[graceful lion]

yeah so we might cooler stuff

either way this probably wont affect what the game plays as

[autumn dawn]

to be more accurate it should have been called pellets (like hitscan) to not be misleading

[warm ibex]

I don't think it's misleading, personally

still gets the point across pretty well. it increases the number of damaging objects that are produced with each shot

[graceful lion]

yeah

its still fine tbh, they do still make sense

[dreamy kiln]

Huh?

[placid saffron]

You heard me

[placid saffron]

But that's what i dislike about bad upgrades, if they don't actually affect how you play the game

[dreamy kiln]

I don't think wolfenstein is id's version of battlezone

[placid saffron]

Ofc it is, it's an FPS

[dreamy kiln]

Wolfenstein is based off of castle wolfenstein which was released sometime in the 80s

[autumn dawn]

it's an analogy mocking your own, probably

[placid saffron]

Yeah but the gameplay

Battlezone was the first FPS iirc

[dreamy kiln]

Still, just because a game is an fps does not mean it's based off of battlezone

Maybe the engine but not the game

[placid saffron]

Every fps leads to battlezone, great grandfather of all FPS

[dreamy kiln]

They all base it off of doom

[autumn dawn]

Wolfenstein is the grandfather, doom is the father

[placid saffron]

Which was based off of wolfenstein

Which came out after battlezone

[dreamy kiln]

The engine was

[dreamy kiln]

Yes sir

[placid saffron]

Uhm no ID literally made wolfenstein first

Wolfenstein 3d was 1992, doom 1993

[dreamy kiln]

They made the catacombs and some others I forget

[placid saffron]

Battlezone? 1980 😎

[placid saffron]

Irrelevant for fps history

[dreamy kiln]

It's literally a fps game

[autumn dawn]

i think sonething is classified as the father of something if it is extremely popular and revolutionizes tje entire genre

[plain iron]

[autumn dawn]

genuine question: was Battlezone 1980 popular?

[plain iron]

Yes. That's what it's used for.

[dreamy kiln]

Not really

[autumn dawn]

then it's ruled out

[placid saffron]

Alr i thought of something else, what's that again?

[plain iron]

Daft punk are widely regarded as the fathers of French house. Did they make French house? No.

[placid saffron]

:( in my heart!

[autumn dawn]

and that title goes to Wolfenstein, and its son Doom

[dreamy kiln]

One of the first fps by id

[placid saffron]

Can't find it

[dreamy kiln]

Hold on lemme check

[placid saffron]

Which is why battlezone is the great grandfather

[dreamy kiln]

I can't even post the image

[dreamy kiln]

No it's not...

[autumn dawn]

we're doing this again

[placid saffron]

It was an fps 12 years before wolfenstein

[dreamy kiln]

Doesn't mean it's the great grandfather of fps games

[placid saffron]

Because

[plain iron]

Embed the image, copy media link and paste it here

[dreamy kiln]

Ok

Nvm Vega won't allow it

[placid saffron]

Copy the discord media link

[plain iron]

Yeah no vega has been awfully weird recently

[placid saffron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890909009526267935/1330916988704395305/image.png?ex=67f73649&is=67f5e4c9&hm=08cfacef72d4bb98cb07a9006b9a563dc4591189333759b9ff02652e2f95b2a4&

[dreamy kiln]

But still look up catacombs 3d

[placid saffron]

Oh i searched wolfenstein catacombs

[fleet spruce]

does this make wolf3d a dungeon crawler

[dreamy kiln]

Somewhat

[hollow sandal]

Goodmorning

[wheat sigil]

good afternoon

[hollow sandal]

I wish 😭

Lol

[sonic turret]

Whew, they might have to delay TDA cos yall ain't ready.

[wheat sigil]

ya don't like the morning?

[proud cloud]

yo m1

[wheat sigil]

yo

[proud cloud]

do you like anime?

[wheat sigil]

never watched it

[proud cloud]

your profile photo is an anime girl i see

[wheat sigil]

no

a guy

afaik at least

[proud cloud]

oh ok

[fleet spruce]

confusing designs moment

[graceful lion]

what

[hollow sandal]

I don't like being at woik 😭

[hard thistle]

It's just about popularization VS creation. Doom and Wolfenstein didn't necessarily create the first person game, but they fostered it. They're responsible for it having continued relevance.

It's like Halloween. Halloween didn't create the slasher film subgenre, but it basically became the quintessential slasher film all others look to.

[plain iron]

Ah, so a foster father.

[hard thistle]

Lol sure.

People also understate the importance of Quake. I'm not a huge Quake fan, but it was intensely important to PC gaming because of how it brought the whole genre into 3D. There's virtually not a single 3D game out there now that doesn't have some sort of code or something that can be traced back to Quake.

Wolfenstein set the stage. Doom came in and cemented the first person shooter culturally. And then Quake came along and cemented it in terms of tech innovation.

[fleet spruce]

father , son and holy spirit

[solemn wyvern]

Dick punch the demons

[wheat sigil]

ahh, that's fair lmao

[wooden acorn]

Day 76 of 112

[pallid wing]

To be fair, FPS games before Doom did not have a 3d engine. And calling them Wolfenstein clones is a disservice to the genre.

[sterile sage]

Is there any information about the turret section?

[winter idol]

freak

[hollow sandal]

Telepathapus

Kakadaemon

[plain iron]

Yeah, looking at that caco, that's not a maykr caco, it just got brain and tentacles.

Maykrs have orbital crests, humanoid mandibles, their tentacles are completely different, The squid caco has seemingly soft tentacles, while maykrs are more chitinous and hard, along with spurrs near the base.

From a purely biological perspective, that isn't really a maykr, just kinda looks like it.

[hollow sandal]

Ah

[winter idol]

its just a weird mutated design

idk why they called it a caco at all lmao

[plain iron]

Neither :D

[winter idol]

doom 64 cacos looked more like cacos

[plain iron]

I miss the uncooked meatballs.

They were so advertisable

[hollow sandal]

Let's see what it's like to fight and kill them

[naive quiver]

Can you use keyboard and mouse on PS5?

[hollow sandal]

I need to upgrade my gpu as well 😭

[hard thistle]

Probably a Doom 2016 Mancubus situation. A different demon entirely just taking the role of Cacodemon

[plain iron]

That's what I presume, but I don't think it's maykr related. TDA seems to be more focused on sentinels and the Argenta, much to my dismay

[placid saffron]

jesus fuck

[hard thistle]

It being Maykr related probably would not work. The Transfiguration should not be hitting them this hard at this point in the timeline.

And the only way a Maykr would look, uh, like that, is Transfiguration.

[placid saffron]

makyr angels who where present during the first deal with hell. Because of their attendance in hell, they are now corrupted beyond recognition

[plucky plinth]

my clueless meatball is now just an arm taker :(

[plain iron]

I agree, but even then, transfigured maykrs have a few things that the squid caco is missing, along with biological differences

They are fundamentally severely different to maykrs imo

[sterile sage]

IS THERE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT TURRET SECTION?

[hard thistle]

Well, I get what you're going for, but realistically we've only seen a fraction of the Maykr "species." They had shit planned for Eternal that never got added - if they wanted, they could just add some kind of Maykr thing called a Cherubim or something and say it's a cyclops tentacle and this is the Transfigured version.

I don't think they'll do that, but they could. To me what makes it more unlikely is the timeline if anything.

[plain iron]

Hrr I would have killed to see some of the other maykr designs from the art book.

[hard thistle]

Would've been nice to see Archangels or whatever they were called.

[plain iron]

We do, don't we? They're in urdak moving around

Lemme get a screenie

[plain iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1359556653841907752/1961b4054c89-screenshotUrl.jpg?ex=67f7e94d&is=67f697cd&hm=4e1b0e9c6a0faaaa90a95ee486731aa9dcf11df8cb09070bbc44e17254466659&

These guys?

[hard thistle]

Ah, yeah. I mean they're background elements but the art in the book gave me the vibe they could've been enemies.

Having these, like, purely machine-looking things as a Super Heavy Maykr enemy could've been interesting.

[plain iron]

They look like the ships from immora :]

But like. Turn the mf upside down and turn it red

[proud vine]

I do wonder if we are gonna square up with some maykrs in tda

Probably not since it doesen't add up with the lore

[plain iron]

Probably not, the maykr betrayal hasn't happened yet, hence the no marauders, as the civil war - one of the main reasons for the whole anti maykr sentiment - hasn't happened [I think]

[proud vine]

I could see the slayer being kinda angry at the fat dude tho

After he snaps out of whatever they have done to him

[hard thistle]

I could see the Kreed Maykr being a boss fight, yeah.

[plain iron]

Oh definitely. The kreed maykr seems like a bitch lmfao

[hard thistle]

And I imagine if the DLC covers the Civil War then Maykr enemies are very possible there.

[plain iron]

I mean, they are controlling him, we do have to consider if they're doing it to make sure he doesn't go batshit and hurt other sentinels or smthn

Or if they're doing it bcs they're worse than a toxic ex

[proud vine]

I hope the dlc is not another TaG situation where they take a story that is too big for only a dlc

[hard thistle]

From what I can tell it's so they can have complete control over him as a weapon so that he doesn't interfere with Maykr shit.
My guess is that we'll fight the Kreed Maykr near the end of the game and, now outside of the Maykrs' control, the Slayer discovers Nekravol in Hell, which they kept from him using their control.

[placid saffron]

well it's hard to go further then literal satan in the series all about hell

[plain iron]

Right. The maykrs don't gaf abt the sentinels, i forgor

[proud vine]

I think he is gonna get free sooner ngl

Like half of the game

[plain iron]

He seems to get free pretty often, they just whack another one on

[placid saffron]

i mean they care for the sentinels so far as they conquer planets for them

[plain iron]

That's not caring that's conditional care 😭 they only gaf if they're useful

[proud vine]

The game should end with the slayer becoming king of the sentinels imo (he was one iirc)

[hard thistle]

Personally I don't think so - I think this'll be a plot point they have to take care of near the end, because escaping the Maykrs' control would be a big enough deal that it would probably lead into the civil war.

[placid saffron]

king of the night sentinels, which basically was the highest general

[proud vine]

Nvm

[placid saffron]

tbh they could put the CW before he breaks free even

[hard thistle]

Also yeah, he was, IIRC, a "warrior king." He was never king of Argent D'Nur like Novik was, but he seems to have led Taras Nabad at some point after he saved it from the Dreadnought, since his symbol is all over the place and he has a throne room.

[plain iron]

I wanna see him in pretty ceremonial armour tho :(

[vapid lodge]

https://imgur.com/a/VzLFPDl

AYO HUGO said this

[plain iron]

Oh fuck you hugo

[proud vine]

Hugo jumpscare

[placid saffron]

IT WILL BE MAKYRS OH NO

[vapid lodge]

say what lmfao ?????

[plain iron]

PLEASE NO

[vapid lodge]

aight calling id staff

https://tenor.com/view/calling-call-the-police-911-gif-25252175

[proud vine]

HUGO WHAT ARE YOU COOKING

[plain iron]

I've just been trying to reason why it's not a maykr

[vapid lodge]

probably a connection to the same dimension as the reaver weapon.
Probably quake

[plain iron]

I hope.

[hard thistle]

Hmmm.

[plain iron]

Fucking Hugo when I get you.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1093869568113516706/1331352451172794449/Untitledvideo1-ezgif.com-cut.gif

[hard thistle]

Okay, so new theory. I think this Caco might be from the purple realm, and that that whole thing will tie into the Lovecraft shit like Hugo wants to delve into. It could tie into Quake.
Probably not Drumavi after all.

[placid saffron]

i wonder if we'll hear anything about that strange skull bearing the slayer's mark in Taras Nabad's secret encounter room (with the marauder)

[proud vine]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-minecraft-movie-a-minecraft-movie-steve-jack-black-gif-8675616492999829547

[vapid lodge]

he also kept mentioning the lovecraftian stuff with Samur Makyr

[proud vine]

Same vibe

[placid saffron]

i'm guessing purple realm is quake lore

[hard thistle]

Probably.

[plain iron]

Hrr could be the result of demonic presence in Drumavi [that's the thing from the lore book yeah?]

[placid saffron]

the hell you mean probably

[hard thistle]

I still don't think it ties into the Maykrs. Maykr eldritch shit does not fit this story, it's just too early.

[placid saffron]

oh it could be davoth's original attempts at makyrs

[hard thistle]

Like I think you're probably right. It seems like it'll tie into Quake shit. The aesthetic, weapon, Caco (if I'm right) all kinda fits the vibe.

[plain iron]

Hrr purple and samur go hand in hand tbf, but no other known seraph has transfigured, so it's probably gonna be quake

[proud vine]

Maybe it's an abomination created by the new villain demon guy

[plain iron]

Ahzrak.

Oh.

[hard thistle]

Yeah Prince Ahzrak I guess.

[plain iron]

Oh no

I just had a thought.

[proud vine]

Im not remembering that ngl

[grave anvil]

I like the 2016 mancubus'

[plain iron]

Yknow the purple crystal thing for upgrades? We've seen it in the maykr statue fucking hell.

I might be schizo but

I can connect dots dawg

[hard thistle]

I'm eh on it as a Mancubus design, but I love the idea of it being just a Cacodemon sub-species that just looks a lot like a Mancubus so they call it that.

[grim cloud]

looks like the complaints fished up a hugo response

ill say the tda caco is growing on me, but Doom Eternal caco is the best caco

info coming soon, but we got 5 weeks which isn't much time

[harsh egret]

not sure why there are actual "complaints" tbh, as long as the thing looks cool and its for a reason (which i guess not everyone realised there clearly is?) then not sure why people complain

[grave anvil]

What was his response?

[grim cloud]

he said he will explain why its differnt soon. So we maybe getting more info

[hollow sandal]

I'm think the design is ok

[grim cloud]

im neutral, but i probably have some obvious bias

[plain iron]

I think it's great

I miss the meatball, but I'm fine with change

[plucky plinth]

my personal favorite's the OG one from 1 and 2

though Eternal is my second favorite

[harsh egret]

Joshua might be teasing that they will show the revenant next, in one of his twitter replies

[grim cloud]

oh, ill need to find that

have they done all the weapons?

[harsh egret]

Nope

[hollow sandal]

8 weapons so far

[harsh egret]

Also he liked my reply to the recent tweet where i asked the caco to drop the 2nd trailer

[hollow sandal]

We haven't seen the rocket launcher, or it's variant.

[harsh egret]

Maybe im delusional but make of that what u will

[hollow sandal]

We haven't seen the skillcrusher variant

Not delulu

[harsh egret]

Maybe on tuesday new trailer

It would be exactly one month ahead

I feel like those crazy ppl tryina figure out gta 6 stuff now

[barren iron]

it's called being excited for a game

enjoy it

[hollow sandal]

The bfg is coming soon? And it is the only super weapon?

[grim cloud]

so waiting on rocket launcher, launcher variant, reaver quickshot, and what else?

that is for nugget info

[hollow sandal]

Skullcrusher variant

[weak imp]

Do you think that the arrival of Doom TDA in the gamepass will have a big impact on the game's sales?

[harsh egret]

steam sales? not rly

i expect higher numbers than the previous doom games

[weak imp]

Knowing that Doom sales will be important for a new game to ever come out

[weak imp]

I hope so sincerely

[grizzled spoke]

yes, also is the game locked to pc and xbox only?

[spare panther]

its on ps5 too

[weak imp]

Yes ps5 too

[plucky plinth]

probably one of the higher hitters of people not buying the game on Steam (besides hardware requirements) is probably the inclusion of Denuvo

[dire prism]

I need a DOOM the Dark Ages profile decoration for discord asap

[plucky plinth]

it being on Gamepass probably won't hit too much

[harsh egret]

idk why thats such a bummer to some people

i see that and i geniuenly dont care about it

[plucky plinth]

for me, it's because I am not a massive fan on DRM

Plus Denuvo has been known to give massive performance negatives

[hollow sandal]

rip

[harsh egret]

i get that some people arent fans

i just dont see whats so bad about it

[proud vine]

eternal had denuvo too iirc

[plucky plinth]

it did, same with 2016

and in both cases I didn't buy on PC until they were gone

[proud vine]

and both were optimized perfectly

so i don't see the issue ngl

[harsh egret]

i srsly dont see how it affects anyone

[proud vine]

probably something about it being invasive

[harsh egret]

and it affects me how

its like saying im not playing valorant cause it has invasive AC

yet it clearly works cause it is

[proud vine]

but tbh what does bethesda watching me play ultrakill do to affect me

[plucky plinth]

my main issue is that anything protected by Denuvo can't be played offline

which to me, is a pretty big fucking issue

[proud vine]

it's a nothing burger for me ngl

but it's probably because i only play helldivers and destiny as of lately

[hollow sandal]

Man said 'nothing burger' 😭

[plucky plinth]

well, not my main issue, as my primary one is absolutely "can it be archived?" (which the answer in this case is no)

but it's absolutely a major issue for me

[proud vine]

that is a fair point actually

[plucky plinth]

yes, my wants are not aligned with most, but it still doesn't change my own opinion on this

[cobalt fog]

CHICKEN JOCKEY

[hollow sandal]

Banned

Jk

[frail bloom]

The ragdoll potential😭 🙏

Imma yeet him across the skybox

[frail bloom]

I personally agree as in the reveal trailer, we saw those cacos near abandoned ships which mimics the abandoned ships in the purple realm in the dev direct

[wooden acorn]

The purple realm with the purple goop?

[frail bloom]

I didn't see any purple goo

More a purple hue

[wooden acorn]

The purple goop from eternal

[frail bloom]

The purple goo isn't present in this game

As far as I know

[wooden acorn]

So sad

[frail bloom]

Good riddance

[wooden acorn]

Would be funny to add a purple goop Easter egg

Like a barrel full of it knocked over on the ground

[frail bloom]

Yeah they gotta do the skybox purple goo cutscene thing for speedrunners

[wooden acorn]

I forgot about that lmao

Gotta take the dev rooms out too

[frail bloom]

What if we put infinite cutscenes

[wooden acorn]

Evil

[frail bloom]

Yo he hasn't said anything yet...

Maybe he's changed🙏

[wooden acorn]

Prediction, they come from Hell 2

[frail bloom]

Yo finally I've been wanting to see it

[grim cloud]

ugh needs that new trailer, come on bring it. Needs more to talk about, on ly 5 weeks less to discuss speculation lore

[barren iron]

I love this design so much, I Love how much ID is leaning into a new direction

[frail bloom]

It's my second favorite

Behind eternal

2016 is alr

[barren iron]

The eternal Cacodemons for some reason remind me of MODOK lmao

[grim cloud]

we still do not have a name for the minion soldiers do we?

[wooden acorn]

April 15th the voices from beyond have told me

[frail bloom]

We'll call them grunts for now

[barren iron]

Are the big ass bull looking things with demons on them pinky riders?

[frail bloom]

Yes

[wooden acorn]

Grunt zombies
Grombies

[barren iron]

I *love * that pinky re-design

menacing as shit

[grim cloud]

can the rider fight solo? that needs to be a thing, archer formations in the back!

[frail bloom]

The designs have been super varied this time around

[grim cloud]

they can lob attacks over the shield guys in front

with flanking supression fire from the standard soldier

[barren iron]

I can't take the Eternal Pinky seriously lamo

[grim cloud]

well there is also a Bluey and Whitey rider too

[barren iron]

is the former australian

[frail bloom]

4 legged, 2 legged, tentacles, demons with tentacles, tanks, some with wings, some 6 legged, a lizard mofo

[barren iron]

I watched the interview with Hugo and the other guy ( can't remember his name) and they described the tanks as "Tanks with human/demon flesh" and I audibly gagged

[frail bloom]

I kinda wish they moved

Like circled you while you fought demons but I guess it wouldn't work well?

Not a big deal tho imma blow it up with a rocket launcher

[grim cloud]

yah the tanks do nothing, they just obstacles

its a breakable doorway with a cannon

[frail bloom]

Yo where's the lost soul I wanna see it next

[barren iron]

huh, so people are theorizing that these aren't actually pinkies, but rather some proto pinky demon that Hell than took and mutated with Argent energy over time and created what would become the pinkies of Doom 1993 and later

[frail bloom]

Uh no

Dark ages is after classic doom

Unless it was time travel idk

[grim cloud]

i could of sworn the soul we briefly see in the older footage is a projectile fired from the winged tyrant. I also know i saw the tyrant fire one of them but i cant find the footage

[barren iron]

I have a link for it but I can't post it

[frail bloom]

That was a black skull

[barren iron]

I'll put it in screens

[frail bloom]

The lost soul was a classic variation

[barren iron]

#screenshots message

[grim cloud]

if its classic, i hope it is meatier

like 100 hitpoints

[frail bloom]

Ngl when I watched it, looked really stiff

[barren iron]

They show up in the gameplay trailer revealed a while back

[frail bloom]

They'll probably clean up the animation for its charge

[barren iron]

love the design though

[frail bloom]

Me too

[barren iron]

My favorite so far are the big tall guys with the machine guns

[frail bloom]

Tyrants?

[barren iron]

ye

[frail bloom]

I like em more than eternal

But you can't beat 2016's balgaar

I want both of them in there

Yo we haven't considered new demons in the dlc

It's gonna go over 50 if it goes like eternal did

[barren iron]

We haven't ever gotten to actually use the crucible as a weapon in game, have we?

[frail bloom]

I've heard that it takes place after the battle of taras nabad

So our crucible is used

[barren iron]

well I mean as a functional melee weapon in the game

[frail bloom]

That would break lore?

[barren iron]

ah, I'm not 100% on the lore

[frail bloom]

It's what I heard

Honestly how would you integrate the sword in this game

We have better melee

[barren iron]

I don't know, given it's supposed to be an insanely powerful weapon, afaik, it's akin to MIchael the Archangel's sword

[frail bloom]

Give me bfg pls

[grim cloud]

i think we will get some unmaker variant, with differernt fire options and a trigger you can charge by holding down

[frail bloom]

I hope they have autosprint

Isn't the trigger for sprint on the left stick?

If you press it down

(For console)

[barren iron]

it is in most fps games

[grim cloud]

There is a sprint but you have to press a button i think, and it ends when you take damage

[frail bloom]

It's in fortnite right lol

You're right it ain't bad

[graceful lion]

you need it to kill the icon, so yes we do

[frail bloom]

No in this game

Tda

[graceful lion]

this game does not have a crucible

[barren iron]

oh I just meant in general

[graceful lion]

or like an instakill sword

[hollow sandal]

"But midnight said it did" /s

[barren iron]

I didn't know if the crucible was ever used in a Doom game as a weapon the player could use

[graceful lion]

he later said it did not

[frail bloom]

I know I told him

[graceful lion]

apparently theres a bfg in the game

[frail bloom]

Not apparantly it's confirmed

We gonna see it soon

[hollow sandal]

Bet

[barren iron]

I kind of want the BFG to be a crossbow/bow and arrow thing of some kind, like the ballista on absolute crack

[hollow sandal]

I'll remember this comment when it happens in game

Probable will come Tru

[barren iron]

it'd make a lot of sense

just design wise

[graceful lion]

i dont think its gonna be that

now im not sure what powered the bfg originally

[barren iron]

I assume argent energy

[frail bloom]

Calamity blade

[fleet spruce]

Destroyer blade

[cobalt fog]

Honestly that would be sick but I like extremely doubt that will be happen, however the bfg has been described as a new iteration of it we have never seen before

So who knows

Tbh I want a bfg that shoots blue energy instead of green

The closest thing we had to a blue energy superweapon was the gauss cannon

[barren iron]

I Could see it shooting blue energy, it'd definitely match the color pallete of the game

[cobalt fog]

Yeah like the wraith energy the sentinels used

That same energy is used for weapons like the accelerator

And the atlans weapons

[final dune]

Reaver grapeshot when

[solemn wyvern]

What’s the octobrain doing in doom?

[grim cloud]

its a primordial proto-cacodemon

from another hell dimension perhaps

and maybe that dimension lacks argent juice and its full of chtulu monsters

[frail bloom]

I drew vagary

Ngl hot take

I like it more than doom 3's version

Just me

[frail bloom]

Quake?

Or Rage lol

[grim cloud]

yah quake is the current theory, but every time i think they are going to connect quake with doom, im wrong

or Hexen

[solemn wyvern]

It’s the Duke nukem dimension

[warm ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274368849495720017/1359637389806670116/GoFnzOQa4AAIQcA.png?ex=67f8347e&is=67f6e2fe&hm=0e6e55210c5f0072681476af43d1411a4aae0fbd1562d859ff868e1391a0050c&

games tribune magazine

not sure if this has been posted here yet

[barren iron]

I love how every artist rendering for a doom game looks like a heavy metal album cover

[frail bloom]

Oh my god

[naive quiver]

Can you use keyboard and mouse on PS5?

[frail bloom]

I wanna see all the pages🙏 😭

[gilded lake]

ah yes the obligatory doom 1 cover homage /positive

[barren iron]

also is there a place I can order this lmao, I want it just for the cover

[plucky plinth]

Yes, but only if the game supports it

and we have no confirmation of TDA supporting such

[naive quiver]

Where is it bought?

[warm ibex]

I'm not sure! It's a spanish magazine if I'm not mistaken, so it may cost extra to get it shipped to the states

[naive quiver]

Ok, ty

[plucky plinth]

and judging by the fact very few games, none of which being a Nu-Doom game, actually support it, don't count on it

[frail bloom]

Does anyone have pictures of what's inside?

[warm ibex]

a lot of links don't seem to work here, so I'd suggest looking up "Game Tribune Magazine" and finding their official site

[warm ibex]

I don't believe it's out yet

[harsh egret]

3 dollars for digital version (subscription)

i bought it and it said u get it within 24 hours apparently

[frail bloom]

Oh ok

[barren iron]

They do have international shipping

Kind of sucks I have to subscribe in order to get it tho

[harsh egret]

i mean u can just cancel it

from paypal directly which i used to pay

[barren iron]

I may have bought it if they had an english translation for the physical edition

[harsh egret]

yeh that kinda does suck

[barren iron]

I get it's a spanish magazine

[warm ibex]

did you make sure it's the TDA issue? They'll send you last month's if the new one isn't out yet

[barren iron]

but I feel like if you have international shipping, you should have more than one language available

apparently this magazine is known for it's artwork

[harsh egret]

yeah

ye they do seem to have some pretty cool cover art from what i saw of previous magazines they have on their website

[warm ibex]

awesome! please share if there's anything interesting

[warm ibex]

yeah I was looking through them, they know how to make a cover lol

[barren iron]

also don't forget to translate it into english lmao

[harsh egret]

yeah unless people beat me to it if they bought it before me

[warm ibex]

if he sends the raw images I'll put in the work and translate lol

team effort

[warm ibex]

ah that's true too

[harsh egret]

i find it weird that u have to wait a day until they send u access via email

and if u buy it on friday they give it to u on monday

[warm ibex]

That's what they told me when I bought the TDA issue of EDGE Magazine and they sent access within like ten minutes

[harsh egret]

yeah i got that one as well very quick

[dreamy kiln]

I remember when I could only get the steam version of the collectors edition, I think they might be limited editions or something

[vapid lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3MKfDufCKw

I am not digging this soundtrack

I really dislike that I am complaining

But it just sounds like a fan made cover

[frail bloom]

listens to one clip

is worried about the soundtrack again

forgets about the main menu, infernal chasm and unchained predator

[vapid lodge]

Youre right but we will see

[frail bloom]

It's just a filler track

2016 and eternal had those demo tracks

[vapid lodge]

Hopefully

[frail bloom]

Chillax

[harsh egret]

theres a few of the mick gordon tracks from 2016 and eternal i dont like either but the overall soundtracks are favourite of any game

u also need a lil context to know where the song plays and stuff

[frail bloom]

Ya can't make 22 bangers, gotta pick and choose

[harsh egret]

(however i do like the song in the vid lol)

[barren iron]

there are only a handful of tracks off 2016 I like

There are more so in Eternal

[frail bloom]

I'm pretty sure this song will sound much better listening to the ost than the game because it's always compressed in these videos for some reason

You don't get that chunkiness or varied sounds that you would hear in an ost

It's across all 3 games

[harsh egret]

yep that as well

[frail bloom]

Off topic but that extended cutscene with the controlled slayer is genuinely movie-like

It looks miles better than eternal

[harsh egret]

which one?

[frail bloom]

At 7 seconds

[harsh egret]

ah yeah

as allstin said, it feels like you're watching a movie when watching the cutscenes

[frail bloom]

I can't wait 🔥 🔥

[harsh egret]

i always thought like god damn they heavily upped their cinematic game with this one

[final dune]

Some other channels used this same track and it goes hard later on

[vapid lodge]

So its a build up

[slender onyx]

THERE WILL BE A CHAINGUN IN SLAYER GAMEPLAY!!! YESSS

[frail bloom]

Yeah maybe it's light combat

[vapid lodge]

Sorry but I just have my hopes up too much

[final dune]

Yuh huh

[frail bloom]

You just need for wait for it in it's finality

Don't you think the main menu is better than eternals?

(Slightly better than 2016s)

[vapid lodge]

Eternal is really extremely good

[frail bloom]

Doesn't drop as hard tho

[neon perch]

I'm really mild on the new Cacodemon.

[vapid lodge]

Opening to hell from doom 2 is an absolute

Same for the one from Andrew

[neon perch]

They could've tried harder than literally ripping off Duke Nukem.

[frail bloom]

I like this main menu theme the most out of the ones we've had

[vapid lodge]

We will see the new Sandy City

[frail bloom]

" Ripping off" is an allegation for sure

It looks much more menading than any other cack

[neon perch]

Changing up creature designs is whatever, I don't give a shit what they do at this point. I'm just sad that they settled for something so derivative of something else that already exists.

[slender onyx]

it's basically an eldritch version of the doom 3 one so it's not that off

[frail bloom]

It takes less effort to rehash the same design, execution matters

[neon perch]

They could've tried a little harder to come up with something less... evocative of another well-known design.

[harsh egret]

not to be like that but i found it a lil boring that they more or less copied the 2016 caco into eternal with not many changes at all

[frail bloom]

You can't just wait to see if they have variants?

[harsh egret]

im 99% sure its the exact same model but with the eye being different and a couple more changes here and there

[frail bloom]

Or how it moves and behaves in the battlefield

[neon perch]

I hated that they copypasted the designs too. I hated most of 2016's creatures (especially the stupid stubby Pinky bulldog) and hoped to see something more menacing for Eternal.

We're 3 games in and still no lumbering fleshy, pink melee behemoth like the classic games (64 in particular). Just silly little cows covered in chitin that scream like a Velociraptor.

[frail bloom]

Like the caco was menacing in the first place

Uh

[harsh egret]

lmao i disagree on the pinky

[frail bloom]

The pinky is the goofiest ones in the classics

[frail bloom]

Idk what you're seeing

[harsh egret]

trust me u dont want the old designs of demons and just pixel for pixel made into modern 3d graphics

trust me

[neon perch]

The tiny little nubby tail still pisses me off to this day. It's like they tried making it as cute as possible instead of going the horror route 64 started.

[frail bloom]

Classic archvile would go hard tho

[harsh egret]

not sure how its "cute"

[frail bloom]

And classic baron

[hard thistle]

In gaming, Doom is also the title of a famous video game franchise, “DOOM”, which debuted in 1993. It’s one of the pioneering first-person shooter (FPS) games, known for its fast-paced combat, action, and demonic enemies. The game has been widely influential in the gaming industry.

[frail bloom]

Yeah you literally see an engineer in his mouth during one of the hologram sequences

Bro was snarling

[hard thistle]

@frail bloom you have a very epic PFP

[neon perch]

The Pinky in 64 was the size of a fucking gorilla and looked pissed off and ready to maul. In 2016 and Eternal it's a sad little thing, stout little bull creature with stubby fingerless arms that runs into things screeching like a toddler, shakes its head when it smashes into walls like a cartoon and occasionally turns around to show you his little nubby tail so you can pet it.

It's a real shame we never got a proper scary Pinky. Even 3's was better in this regard.

[frail bloom]

Why should it always stay menacing

Should the cacodemon always be goofy?

[harsh egret]

a horror looking pinky makes no sense in 2016 or eternal

this is the first time in the past 10 years i hear someone complain about the modern pinky design lol

[neon perch]

The classic Pinky looked silly as hell too but my God has it never been worse than 2016 and Eternal. Now TDA's just looks like a dog. Stays on all fours and does nothing except carry a dude that shoots energy balls. When the guy does it runs away doing nothing. It's like we went from bad to worse.

[delicate grotto]

I mean I can understand where you’re coming from but I definitely think its design fits both 2016 and Eternal well.
I’m glad to see more of a 64 inspiration for the TDA design though.

[frail bloom]

Are there any demons you like in tda?

Or love

[feral bane]

I feel you

Don’t hate 2016’s designs persay but they lean a bit too far into straight up alien territory for me

Which is appealing for some but it’s not my cup of tea

[ebon shale]

I'll take 2016's revenant and caco over eternals cartoony versions everyday of the week

[vagrant path]

you seem like a very happy person.

[frail bloom]

I prefer 2016's rev but I like eternal's caco's personality so it edges out 2016's

So many great moments

[neon perch]

I said I didn't like a creature design in a videogame and argued why. Politely take your snarky bullshit somewhere else.

[neon perch]

2016's Revenant is overrated. Eternal's Retro Revenant skin for me.

I liked it better when it was just an undead demon with shoulder-mounted missile launchers grafted on and not some 'secret experiment'.

[feral bane]

Still better than Doom 3’s translucent revenant lol

[feral bane]

They did something similar with the Arachnotrons, making them UAC creations

Feel like that kind of stuff overcomplicates demon lore a bit, considering these demon types are already pre-existing

But I suppose they wanted something more interesting for the codex than them just having cybernetics for reasons

[frail bloom]

I have a hunch that you only like the classic variations and anything else is worse, which is fine, I thought the classic revenant skin should've been the base skin for eternal

[neon perch]

That's a bit more plausible since it's stated they were created using Mastermind DNA. The Lazarus stuff is interesting but I don't know if I'd like it linked to Revenant stuff, but to each their own. I like it better when demons stay minimally involved with the UAC.

[feral bane]

Yeah agreed

I think the Cyber-Mancubus and Baalgar cyber-demon were acceptable takes on UAC modifying demons though

[weary current]

which video are you watching rn

or is one of the trailers

[plain iron]

Has he said anything yet or are we still in limbo

Genuinely anxious over this

[cobalt fog]

[frail bloom]

The hong kong vid

Doom slayer looks spoopy

[frail bloom]

Ye hopefully he doesn't bomb it

[plain iron]

No but I've been working on a thing for school outlining maykr history, biology and the like and I really don't want to rewrite the history part bcs Hugo decided to make the new caco demon a transfigured maykr, at a too early point in the time line 😭

[frail bloom]

Cool project man

Ye I don't want any more retcons either

Answer some questions pls

(hopefully there are actual characters that affects the plot in an important way that feels natural this time)

[plain iron]

I hope for that too.

[dry laurel]

same

[mental grotto]

Dawg every time I go into this discord mfs be starting beef over actual nothing. What 5 years of no doom game does to this community

[plain iron]

I also really want to see the whole ceremony for when the slayer was like. Crowned? Idk the word, as a warrior king dawg 😭

Pretty ceremonial armour :]

[frail bloom]

It's on any plaform, sad to see but at this point I learned to mind my own

[mental grotto]

Now that I think about it the doom community has always been pretty shite lol. They pretend to be all le reddit wholesome 100 but will jump down your throat for the smallest things

Post eternal release literally any criticism of the game would be met with death threats

It’s a shame tbh, there are definitely good guys in here but it’s the vocal minority that fucks it up

[plain iron]

Doomcord is pretty wholesome when it comes to supporting queer folk tho, which is better than most

Say you don't like mick gordon? Death.

[mental grotto]

Yeah honestly surprising for a game like doom, you’d figure a game like this would attract the opposite folk lol

[mental grotto]

Oh god I completely forgot about that whole incident

[frail bloom]

I like mick🥺

[mental grotto]

Still salty that the eternal soundtrack never made it to Spotify… not even the dlc OST, which makes no sense to me because that was entirely separate from the legal trouble with mick

[frail bloom]

I swear I see so many people confuse the entire team at id for marty

[plain iron]

I just learned he was a absolute dick to coderpenguin and that has definitely not helped my dislike for him.

[frail bloom]

Word? Did coderpenguin work for id? What's the story

[plain iron]

@plucky plinth you explain, I don't wanna put words in your mouth 😭

[mental grotto]

Dick or not I still think the way id handled that situation was awful. Even an official statement would’ve been appreciated but they just kinda kept it hush hush and it turned into a he said she said situation

[frail bloom]

Yeah mistreatment should not be met with more mistreatment but it proves that no one is perfect and that there are three sides to a story

[mental grotto]

Of course

[plain iron]

I fully believe that noone was in the right, lots of fuck ups on all sides

[frail bloom]

Yeah it all started with that deadline

[mental grotto]

Doom community was in shambles back then lmao nobody could believe that le wholesome id software could possibly commit any wrongdoing

Actual warzone

[frail bloom]

It depends on who you talk about

[mental grotto]

Yeah it’s never cut and dry

[plain iron]

Mick didn't meet the deadline

Id software didn't say anything to avoid getting their head cut off

Bethesda being Bethesda and pressing on mick

Mick not meeting the deadline was the catalyst imo

[mental grotto]

Well id was also pressing him with unrealistic deadlines and he was extremely overworked. Gotta remember he basically mixed the entire ost by himself

[autumn dawn]

are we really still talking about mick

[frail bloom]

iirc none of his emails were answered by the team so that contributed to micks confusion

[frail bloom]

Idk how it happened but here we are

[mental grotto]

But I think that was due to a legal agreement where they had to release the OST to pre-orderers by a certain date

[plain iron]

That's why the deadline was pushed, imo if mick couldn't take on the work load, he shouldn't have taken the job

[frail bloom]

I think he was ready but like I said, he was left in the dark most of the time

Idk why really

[plain iron]

Lots of people have deadlines - commission artists have deadlines and they usually meet them - but bethesda panicking and getting a random dude to finish the rest [I think that's what happened] is a very common thing that happens when a artist doesn't meet the deadline.

[autumn dawn]

they should have had a backup from the first place