the-dark-ages

[rare flax]

True, but it's not a problem that... the problem is that I might not able to play Doom TDA on medium settings, 1080p and 60fps

[sleek ermine]

Either they’re lazy or it’s supposed to be a newest generation game (number 2 is more probable)

[slim tulip]

cuz the game looks for me like a improved and polished DE in terms of graphics

[sleek ermine]

No need to bake lighting when you can add raytracing

[slim tulip]

and doom eternal basically runs on a microwave with what you get on all minimal preset

visually

[sleek ermine]

Anyway, the newest generation games are raytracing, this is a newest generation game. Bam, stop complaining

[fading crown]

yeah but its sad that its thought of in this way

[sleek ermine]

It’s 2025, every new game will have raytracing

[fading crown]

its still stupid, having a good gameplay its way better than having awesome graphics

[barren iron]

baking lighting is always a good idea because it allows the game to run on lower spec hardware, forcing ray-tracing cuts off a lot of playerbase

[sleek ermine]

The gameplay will be awesome

[barren iron]

ray-tracing should be optional, it should not be forced

[wheat sigil]

true

[fading crown]

I know

[barren iron]

You can do both

[sleek ermine]

Ask Indiana Jones

[barren iron]

yeah the performance was kind of dogwater

looked great, ran not so great

[sleek ermine]

Besides, they’re probably just lazy and got the idea about the raytracing after the Indiana Jones game came out

[hollow sandal]

No

[sleek ermine]

[fading crown]

the only thing we know its it will be a great game

[barren iron]

I have more faith in ID when it comes to ray-tracing than other companies, ID at least seems to know how to implement it correctly. Ray-tracing works pretty well in Eternal

from what I can tell in TDA, it's more of the same, it's tastefully implemented and doesn't go overboard

in the gameplay sliders, we can up the speed of enemy projectiles, right?

[fading crown]

yes

[barren iron]

sweet, that's likely the only thing I'll change on the inital playthrough, the slow speed of them on default looks a little immersion breaking imo

[grim cloud]

so the Reaver chainshot, looks to come from something not demonic or sentinal. I think someone hints at this in a video

Wraiths? Maybe a demonic species called "reavers"?

[harsh egret]

no point in comparing how rtx works in doom eternal. in this game its used for a lot more than just lighting

[grim cloud]

Quake minions?

[hard thistle]

Could be from Drumavi.

[grim cloud]

what is that? a place or poeple?

the quickshot is similar to the world spear in color and shap, but no red eye balls

wraiths love their red eye balls

at least in concept art

[hard thistle]

Drumavi is an alien world mentioned in the Doom Eternal Lorebook. Hell has text detailing how they conquer the place after invading it, presumably during the period the Slayer was asleep.

From the guide, a summary:

Of particular note is the invasion of a world called Drumavi, which occurred sometime in the Third Age. The civilization within this mysterious world, known as the Blackgard, sought to exploit Hell and learn how to wield its magic, seeking something called “the Eye”. Their leader was a mysterious individual named Praxat Avas. They had apparently invaded Hell in search of this power, though they failed. Hell’s counterattack was brutal - they invaded the world of Drumavi and razed their land to the ground, purportedly killing all or most of their denizens and consuming their flesh.
Near the end of this war, the Blackgard unleashed their strongest warrior of their world. It charged into battle against Hell’s forces in Drumavi, and was confronted by one of Hell’s strongest - the Baalgar, a gigantic demon similar to a Tyrant. The mighty warrior of the Drumavi and the Baalgar battled, and the Baalgar won. It took the creature’s legs as a trophy of its victory, feeding them to its minions. The creature was taken in and corrupted by Hell, raised in its army - corrupted, it was named the Gargaska of Drumavi, a name in succession to the ancient Gargaska Titan that had charged in Argent D’Nur.

[tranquil moss]

you might be able to disable raytracing when it comes out

[grim cloud]

sweet info, is that from the small lore book?

[hard thistle]

Yeah.

[grim cloud]

i need to reread that again,

[prime sentinel]

It’s built into the engine, it won’t be possible to turn it off

[tranquil moss]

oh thats going to be a problem for some people

[prime sentinel]

Just like Indiana Jones and the Great Circle

Doom TDA requires a ray tracing compatible gpu

[tranquil moss]

my pc can do ray tracing but it struggles partially when doing that

[barren iron]

Yeah, from what I've seen with TDA though, it looks better implemented

[tranquil moss]

i rarely push my computer that far 🗣️

[feral bane]

I’m just glad my graphics card can handle it

[barren iron]

Indiana Jones uses the same engine as Doom Eternal, but it looked like Machine Games doesn't have the expertise when it comes to optimization that ID themselves has

[prime sentinel]

Indiana Jones ran pretty well

Considering it’s a current gen game

[barren iron]

it ran okay

[prime sentinel]

I bet TDA will run slightly better just because it’s a newer version of the engine built specifically for ray tracing

[barren iron]

I need to get more RAM

[tranquil moss]

idk the new wolfenstein games were pretty optimized and they were using id tech (excluding old blood)

[barren iron]

how have I not done that yet

[barren iron]

Yeah, but that was the previous version that Machine had been using for quite awhile

[tranquil moss]

the id tech 6 games they did also ran fine

[shrewd mountain]

I got the exact specs for TDA, although I trust it'll run well since doom has really good performance

I just hope it has better texturing than eternal

[frail bloom]

Half of this chat were the pc specs and the other half was azrahks ass

[graceful lion]

oh it absolutely will

the game will likely still use your gpu quite alot even without RT enabled if thats an option

[slender night]

Old Blood was on id Tech too though

[graceful lion]

also the hardware theyre recommending is like 5 years old now, atleast minimum reqs are

[tranquil moss]

yes but it had some optimization issues imo

[slender night]

Oh I thought you were saying it to the id Tech part

[tranquil moss]

no i knew it ran on id tech it just wasn't exactly optimized in some cases

[shrewd mountain]

Idk if it's a gpu problem but the textures on doom eternal even on nightmare quality, are in some cases worse than 2016

[sleek ermine]

As far as I’ve understood, the Xbox Series S has a GPU equivalent of GTX 1660 but with RT, so basically if you slap some raytracing on my GPU I should be fine
forgets about the CPU

[shrewd mountain]

Some demons have holes in their gore textures, specifically the solider and hell knights

[tranquil moss]

the series s and x share the same cpu

[sleek ermine]

They do?

Waow

[tranquil moss]

series s is underclocked though

thats the only difference between them

[sleek ermine]

Fuck I am so indecisive I can’t decide if I want to get a Series S, X or some random plushies

[tranquil moss]

the series s has 66% less gpu power, about 30% less ram, and 8% less cpu clock speeds than the series x 🗣️

the main selling point of the series x is the gpu

[barren iron]

Series X is great, can confirm

[tranquil moss]

i've had mine for about 4.5 years and its good 🗣️

[graceful lion]

it said the game would release on ps5, pc, xbox series s and x

so it is optimized for the series s

[sleek ermine]

I’ll get a Series S

[graceful lion]

yeah it should work fine i tihnk

[tranquil moss]

in that logic that would mean the xbox one x's gpu is capable of running the game but maybe not its other components

[barren iron]

Aight, got my RAM upgrade added to my amazon Birthday list, it's basically the only thing I'm missing for a good TDA experience

[sleek ermine]

What?

[tranquil moss]

the one x has a stronger gpu than the series s

[flint ocean]

Wonder how big the game is gonna be, do we know yet?

[tranquil moss]

do not buy an xbox one x though

[barren iron]

22 levels

[sleek ermine]

It’s called Series X, not One X

[flint ocean]

Meant in terms of GB

Storage size

[barren iron]

ooooh, don't think so

[sleek ermine]

100+

[flint ocean]

😔

[tranquil moss]

im referring to the xbox one x from the previous generation not the series x

[flint ocean]

My shitty laptop gonna struggle with this game

[sleek ermine]

Uhh it’s not optimized for it so no

[frail bloom]

Did you preorder?

[barren iron]

This is why I love game pass lmao

You best believe imma cop that premium upgrade tho

[flint ocean]

Yeah. I have good enough specs it’s just I don’t got a lotta storage so imma have to uninstall some stuff to make space

[frail bloom]

What games are you deleting?

[flint ocean]

It should run fine on lower graphics. Doom eternal ran fine, granted that’s an older game but it was still super smooth

[frail bloom]

Or applications

Yeah here's to hoping, did look very smooth in gameplay but it was on the top stuff

[flint ocean]

Depends on the size. I’ll probably play once I’m done with farcry 3, may need to uninstall Helldivers tho but hopefully not

[frail bloom]

Like the top quality set up

[proud vine]

doom is probably the only game where you don't have to worry about optimization

[flint ocean]

I’m praying it’s only like 100 GB so it fits in the storage gap I cleared for RDR2

[tranquil moss]

yeah guys i think my old computer could run tda (joke)

[frail bloom]

In this day and age you never know

[proud vine]

automaton spy detected

[frail bloom]

I'm 80% sure it'll run very well

[flint ocean]

My laptop is only like 2 years old. Not the greatest specs but it manages fine

[frail bloom]

On minimum

[tranquil moss]

in serious terms im sure a 4 core cpu with 6 gb of usable ram is not running the game

[proud vine]

can it even run eternal?

[graceful lion]

i have an rtx 2060

[flint ocean]

Hell nah glory to Super Earth

[graceful lion]

well, with 8 gigs of ram, and 1 gig of vram on a laptop gpu, i was able to run doom eternal kinda playable

eternal maybe

tda never

[flint ocean]

I’m a proud soldier, working to become a Fire Safety Officer

[graceful lion]

goodluck

[tranquil moss]

i never tried

[wooden leaf]

Guys will the rx 5700 xt be able to run it?

[graceful lion]

probably

but it doenst have raytracing i think so idk

oh it doesnt have raytracing cores but u can raytrace on them

but it will run RT like ass becuase it doesnt have RT cores

[wooden leaf]

So maybe

[graceful lion]

mmm

i doubt it now that i know it doesnt have RT cores

well, it will run it sure, but not well i guess

some games, like god of war ragnarok will force a vram requirement, i sure as fuck hope tda's is 6gb

well, ragnarok forced a vram requirement, not anymore

[flint ocean]

Man I have like an nvidia 4060 or smth

[hollow sandal]

Apparently the raytracing in this game is used for something other than reflections?

I think I saw it's also for hit detection?

[flint ocean]

I’m a moron it’s a 4060

[hollow sandal]

rip xd, you good bro

[frail bloom]

I have not seen an official source on that

[flint ocean]

I need to get a new SSD installed but that’s gonna be a pain cause my laptop only has one SSD slot so I’d need to get a windows boot drive made or I’d need to take my laptop somewhere to get the SSD that’s currently installed removed and replaced

450 GB, of which only 300 can be used for games, really sucks. I wanna get 2 TB

[flint ocean]

I’m hoping my 4060 is good enough to run doom

[fleet spruce]

it is

[marble tide]

Loving the reaver chainshot gameplay that's been shown

[mossy geyser]

Same

[fleet spruce]

oh yeah, certainly an interesting addition to arsenal

[mossy geyser]

But

[marble tide]

Wanna punch things with a cannonball? Well now you can

[flint ocean]

I’m trying to avoid watching stuff about the game

[mossy geyser]

I think the game would be too good that the devs and fans will most likely want a 3 years break to not get overworked and the series wont jump the shark respectively

[flint ocean]

I don’t wanna see too much too early cause I wanna be surprised by the weapons

[fleet spruce]

Game is gonna have plenty of surprises in store, 22 levels

[mossy geyser]

I love doom but i think the devs would want a break from doom

My guess is every map will be about the size of staunton from gta 3

[fleet spruce]

It's not like they make Doom game every year

so i think closest to next game is 2030

[mossy geyser]

Well to make a game it takes 3 years

[mossy geyser]

Possibly

But again i say, the developers will want to work on some other projects like commander keen or another game franchise

Yes it will be at 2030 at earliest but that would be a whole nother era

[slender night]

id is never going back for Keen lol

[mossy geyser]

Yeah i guess but that is just an example

[fleet spruce]

I'd love to see new Quake but it seems they're gonna be focused on Doom for quite a while

[mossy geyser]

Don’t get me wrong, i love doom but

[wheat sigil]

when do we get doom eternal: the ancienter gods

[fleet spruce]

Ancient Gods 3: Electric Boogaloo

[mossy geyser]

Poseidon makes 1000 krabby patties that taste like puke and sponebob makes one that tastes outstanding

Does that make sense?

[flint ocean]

True. I really look forward to it. I’ll miss the fast paced combat of eternal but it will be nice to have a bit more time to think of my moves. Some of the fights in eternal were terrifying I’d be dashing around trying to run from enemies in tiny enclosed arenas making the fight super difficult

[mossy geyser]

I would want them to fix some problematic glitches with doom 3-doom eternal

[silent surge]

you’ll not have a lot of time to stop and think still

[flint ocean]

True but it’s less dashing

Not quite as fast paced from what I’ve seen

[silent surge]

sprint button and shield bash

[mossy geyser]

Remember, a good game takes time, even a remake

[silent surge]

it’s pretty fast paced still yet

[fleet spruce]

Worry not, actual gameplay footage is WAY faster than trailers

[silent surge]

instead of quickswitching you’re launching the shield, shooting the gun, shield bashing, sprint and jump for a big jump

[flint ocean]

I can sprint!? Oh hell yeah these mfs gonna watch me clock their shit

I love shield bashing in games

[silent surge]

melee too

[mossy geyser]

I love that

[fleet spruce]

I'd argue it's faster and more chaotic than Eternal

[silent surge]

eternal had it as a tech, but this is built in

[flint ocean]

Melee in gun games is always my favorite

[mossy geyser]

So like devil may cry?

[silent surge]

of course there’s projectile and game speed sliders too

[flint ocean]

When I play fallout I always end up with a melee build

[silent surge]

even skill 1 / 100% game speed isn’t “slow”

[mossy geyser]

Hmmm

[flint ocean]

There’s just something satisfying about sprinting up to the big bad and slamming them

[final dune]

Really? I've had doom eternal since launch and never read this lore

[mossy geyser]

Well again i say, i love doom but I don’t want it to be tarnished

[frail bloom]

We fight against tyrants in the first act of the game, what does it have in store for us 10+ levels in?

[mossy geyser]

Yes

My guess is the game will be like Alien Soldier but no real bosses

Meaning that you will encounter cacodemons hell knights and pinkies after every “boss” for a short while

Then you encounter another “boss”

[fleet spruce]

If they replaces id software with another company to make Doom games, it's when I would start worrying. Don't see any problems with how their games going so far

[flint ocean]

I hope dark ages still has unlockable cosmetics like eternal did

[mossy geyser]

True

[slender night]

If so, if we don't get a Quake III or DOOM 3 skin, we riot

[flint ocean]

I know there are some in the pre-purchase but there should be some that you get from just completing challenges too

[mossy geyser]

Yeah

But dont overcook the broth

But yes you will fight a “boss” then fight some enemies before the next “boss”

[flint ocean]

I want another skeleton themed one

[mossy geyser]

Fair

[flint ocean]

The one from the ancient gods dlc was my far my favorite. Black and orange was so good I loved the skeletal aesthetic with the skull grin helmet

[slender night]

Maledict return 🙏

[mossy geyser]

The “boss” will be a powerful enemy like the tank demons in eternal

[flint ocean]

Who’s maledict

[slender night]

Play DOOM 3

[flint ocean]

What if I didn’t want to

[grim cloud]

a type of demonic dragon

[flint ocean]

Nifty

[grim cloud]

maybe related to a witherin

[mossy geyser]

Well i think the cyberdemon will return

But it wont be the same

[grim cloud]

there are winged tyrants, official name pending

Baalgar demons, well lets hope

[silent surge]

same thing i’m sayin

[silent surge]

it’s fine don’t worry

[hard thistle]

L. It's a good game.

[wheat sigil]

i think they'll put good use of the higher entity cap xd

[mossy geyser]

As long as they are not overdoing it and taking their time i am happy

[frail bloom]

Yeah I have the same theory, but I'm also inclined to believe they have 10 demon types they haven't shown yet

Namely barons, archviles, pain elementals, chaingunners and some bosses up in the air

They already have showcased more than base eternal that's for certain

[frail bloom]

I got that thought from your vid

[silent surge]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-black-guy-tap-head-gif-27536171

makes you wonder!

[frail bloom]

Me want scary archvile

[grizzled thicket]

same

[jovial roost]

question: does anyone know if the preorder for the collectors bundle will restock?

if so any predictions when?

[oak temple]

I've heard some of the play testers say this

You're not jumping around as much but with everything else going on it can feel just as fast

[barren iron]

I've heard a lot of people say it's dependent on what you're talking about. Like, the game feels faster because of the increased enemy output, but you have more time to breathe and make decisions

Basically the overall gameplay is faster, but you have more time to make decisions

is it just me or does the combat shotgun have a very old-school Doom sound to it?

[pallid wing]

It'd be cool if we get to BFG spam at the end of the game. But also, I'm not convinced the first act will have tyrants, nightmare imps, etc. this was a demo.

[oak temple]

I mean Eternal was 5 years ago so if they do make another Doom game its at least 5 years from now minimum

[flint ocean]

ive got plenty of games released over the past decade to play

my hands and backlog are full already

[warm ibex]

dude that's fuckin nuts

I've gotta make a video on that. it's been years since I've read through the Eternal collector's lore book

[grim cloud]

they call it "the baalgar" but we know there are more than one.

[near valley]

Pretty sure heard that dark ages wont end on doomslayer getting sealed, or is it disinformation

[grim cloud]

esp considering that happened while the slayer was napping, and he slayed one at some point during his older days on argenta

[grim cloud]

that would take a few epochs of time,

we are at the beginning of the unholy wars, but post first invasion of taras nabad and divinity machine.

[frail bloom]

A lot of things are oldschool, some ost snippets I heard have a bass that sounds exactly like the imps song(not in progression but sound). Then the imp stalker and classic lost soul, the boots on the ground mentality, exploration feeling more rewarding, etc.

But still reinventing itself

[silent surge]

hugo has said it

[near valley]

Yeah, I wasn’t sure if he actually said it, thanks

It might end when night sentinels and doom slayer and commander vallen go to the portals and all of them go to hell, if u know what I mean

[grim cloud]

i think there are centuries of time between the beg of Dark Ages and the civil war. Then another eon or two before he gets entombed

[near valley]

Well time in hell is different

[frail bloom]

I don't think that

[grim cloud]

kinda, in a way that hell is shared between timelines, its a proxy to the multiverse within the idverse

but a minute in hell = a minute on earth otherwise we run into some problems when uac enters hell

[near valley]

Oh yeah true, didnt think about that

[frail bloom]

That doesn't mean we can't cram it into a game plus dlc

[grim cloud]

some serious lion in the wardrob level problems

[grim cloud]

well it wont be in DLC either since Hugo says he wants to leave a opening to tell more stories. So more Doom incoming is likely

next doom game when?

[frail bloom]

Well yeah he can do the civil war in the dlc in the next year and the testaments in 2030

That's leaving it open

[mossy geyser]

Likely they will START working on it 5 years from the release of Dark Ages

[grim cloud]

well id is already building blue prints for the next game, how far along that is, can be anyones guess

[barren iron]

they'll likely start pre-production pretty soon after TDA launches, but it won't be in active development for at least a few years, but it sounds like they are taking a Doom break after TDA, so who knows

[near valley]

new doom in 2035

[onyx valley]

has anyone heard if we will get an official strategy guide for dark ages like the Doom 2016 got?

[barren iron]

it's odd that Eternal didn't get one, also, I miss the days of hardcover strategy guides

I've got a Battlefield 3 one that's super cool

[grim cloud]

i dont htink they make those anymore

Art Book however most def

[pallid wing]

Mass effect 3 strat guide saved my life

[barren iron]

You can get them for decently cheap at thrift stores and second hand gaming shops

[oak temple]

They'll probably start pre development a year or two after TDA

[onyx valley]

I see someone selling one on Amazon but not sure about it's reliability

[vagrant path]

Dude why does half of the lore need to be hidden behind books that probably cost over $200 dollars now😭

[barren iron]

it's called a collector's edition for a reason

[onyx valley]

if anyone has input on this, I would be very grateful

[barren iron]

also that info gets put online almost immediately after people get that stuff

[grim cloud]

fake guides lol

[barren iron]

Yeah this was likely put together using AI to scam people tbh

idk how you could create a guide when no one other than the devs know the full scope of the game

[onyx valley]

that's messed up

[barren iron]

It's either that or it's VERY generic "tips and tricks" that could apply to literally any shooter

[plucky plinth]

Tip #1: Run the game!

[warm ibex]

painfully ai generated, dear lord

[onyx valley]

thanks for the heads up

love playing the game first raw dog, then going back and getting all the vast secrets I always miss

[formal root]

you can see the AI ooze of that one

[onyx valley]

that wild that's allowed to be listed, even says it has 114 pages

[hard thistle]

In this case you can find scans online.

[stray pollen]

You think we'll get a dark ages skin in eternal anytime soon?

[winter idol]

i dont think we will get any new skins in eternal at all

[simple mist]

Can we just appreciate TDAs cover art?

I love it

[hollow sandal]

@grim cloud apologies for the sudden ping. Is there any chance you could share your curated dark ages Playlist?

[grim cloud]

i am almost done with it, i can get it tongiht if i remember

i think if found a lot of dupilcated broll and footage

[honest vortex]

So far basically every aspect of Dark Ages is my favorite DOOM game and I haven't even played it.

It has my favorite aesthetics, sound design, atmosphere, demons, weapons, even my favorite style of levels.

[flint ocean]

What does memory in a laptop do?

[hollow sandal]

Thank you Zemini

[mossy geyser]

Delete this if you don’t want to get banned or prosecuted

[mossy geyser]

Taken care of

[mossy geyser]

Make you overreliant on a third party

[grim cloud]

i might just post a list on Doomworld that has all the videos, then other people can add more or remove duplicate footage. There is about 2-3 hours at least

[hollow sandal]

Ok sick! Sounds good man

[grim cloud]

most of the videos still put int he same atlan/dragon stuff ...

[hollow sandal]

rip

[mossy fable]

guys

will the dark ages be 4k 120 fps on series x

[flint ocean]

Reliant on a third party?

[valid pawn]

will doom slayer have berserker mode in dark age

[near valley]

Same

[turbid hamlet]

could be

since it's somewhat equivalent to the ps5, I expect ps5 gonna have 4k support

[barren iron]

What does this even mean

[valid pawn]

What I mean is going berserker mode just how they give doom slayer beserker mode in quake champion but in dark age

[honest vortex]

I think he means the power up. But the power up appeared in literally every DOOM game.

I don't think Dark Ages will be excluded

[wooden acorn]

I hope it shows up tbh, they underused it in Eternal imo, only in one level and the cheatcode for it only works in a few levels as well

showed up a handful of times in 2016, like 4-5?

hopefully more animations with it too

[vapid lodge]

I think it should be a reusable item, like the Spartan Rage in God of War, only for it to be really short or balanced such as costing something when using it

I dont know if any sort of currency or rage build up

[wooden acorn]

the gold/treasure?

[vapid lodge]

yeah I am just throwing ideas, probably not the best thing to implemnt

but probably if he could gain some sort of rage meter

once is full, berserk is available

honestly 99% chance they didnt hesistate to NOT implement this, given how they keep mentioning the old games

[wooden acorn]

kill x amount of demons to fill it

[vapid lodge]

and in a melee game, its pretty obvious

however we've already seen Haste

as a powerup for the skullcrusher

[wooden acorn]

was gonna say, I thought that was just a thing for the skull gun

[vapid lodge]

I think it is

[wooden acorn]

not a powerup for the player in general

[vapid lodge]

im not sure

[wooden acorn]

we will know in uhhhh

38 days

[vapid lodge]

a little over a month, yeah

[wooden acorn]

month and a week

[vapid lodge]

and in 5 years we will already know every little detail of the game

expecting another doom game

getting hyped again and so forth

[wooden acorn]

the cycle continues

maybe it's a prequel to the dark ages where we play through the slayers testaments in a sort of anthology type thing

they could also revisit the cancelled Doom 4 project, I think that'd be kinda fun tbh

[vapid lodge]

nah, I think this was already discussed, either here or I saw it on youtube...

Why would id revive a bad idea of a game from the trash can ?

[wooden acorn]

that's fair, but I'm still curious as to what it could have been tho

[vapid lodge]

It was already a bad idea even from the start because it followed the same plot as other games

slow paced

[wooden acorn]

maybe like a "tales from the doom universe" kinda thing

[vapid lodge]

Probably a sequel to doom 3

like hell on earth story continuing from doom 3

[wooden acorn]

hmm true

[feral bane]

The not Doom Marine can’t have died for nothing

[simple mist]

Ai when real talent walks into the room:

https://tenor.com/view/asd-gif-26036911

[clear gale]

When does The Dark Ages come out again?

[barren iron]

may 15th

[clear gale]

Thx

Bro it won't let me pre-order it because I have Xbox One Not X|S

so I can't get it wtf

[barren iron]

Yeah it's not for previous gen

It's got baked in ray-tracing so it won't work on previous gen hardware

[grim cloud]

Posted on Doomworld

ANd for those that dont know, i made a post that is a collection of ALL the no commentary footage i could find on you tube. Feel free to add more, but there is a LOT of duplication on youtube so its hard to watch it all

[wooden acorn]

it's next gen only, don't think the Xbone can run it :(

[clear gale]

bro..

I just got my Xbox one just for Doom tbh cause google said it runs perfectly on Xbox one

[wooden acorn]

it was probably talking about 2016 and eternal

[fleet spruce]

Yeah, last gen consoles ain't gonna run ray tracing so dark ages won't be on ps4 and xbone

[clear gale]

wtf bro

thats dumb

[barren iron]

I mean it isn't dumb

[clear gale]

I just got my Xbox one

[thorn quiver]

they're 12 year old systems, wtf did you expect

[barren iron]

There's zero shot decade old hardware is running on a game like TDA

[wooden acorn]

yea it's hardware limitations unforutanately

[wooden acorn]

good lird is the xbone really 12 years old?

[barren iron]

god the PS4/Xbone era is over a decade old already, THATS WILD

yeah, they first came out in 2013

[wooden acorn]

[fleet spruce]

Time flies huh

[thorn quiver]

Why are you buying an xbox one in the year 2025

just get a series s

[wooden acorn]

budget limitations maybe

[barren iron]

that's absolutely wild, I remember when we were all like "there's no way gaming will get better than this"

[thorn quiver]

series s is $300

[barren iron]

like we thought at the time that nothing could improve

[grim cloud]

i hope we get a new trailer this week, i needs it

[fleet spruce]

Maybe, we're getting close to release with every day

[barren iron]

Hopefully we get a little bit of something, but I'm not sure how likely that is with it being a month out from release

[grim cloud]

marketing goes into overdrive about a month before release, there will certinaly be more

[fleet spruce]

I hope they won't make something like that one eternal tv ad, it was embarrassing lmao

[vagrant path]

I don't want any trailers or story reveals tbh

[barren iron]

I think the most we get is some sort of like sizzle trailer

[grim cloud]

its fine as long as they dont spoil the bosses, they did that the last two games

[vagrant path]

I want stuff to be a surprise

for actual release

[grim cloud]

yah there is a line of what i want spoiled for myself, but thankfully i can control the videos i watch

well not always, but usually esp if its leaked, i stay away from that

[wooden acorn]

god I forgot about that lmao

[barren iron]

what ad are we talking about lmao

[wooden acorn]

this one, didn't use any of the games music of actual gameplay https://youtu.be/E2hytfsXExM?si=6uUkLWL4capBapxI

[fleet spruce]

the one with some shitty mumble rap, dunno who greenlit that in marketing team

[barren iron]

I mean I wouldn't call it mumble rap, but it def doesn't fit the trailer lmao

[thorn quiver]

Eh, it's fine

Maybe if it was an already well-known song it would be better

[meager vortex]

demons is fucked up by DOOM SLAYER FROM DOOM THE DARK AGES

[fleet spruce]

I wonder if the only thing they fear is you leak was a pr stunt back then

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/prowler-glory-kill-gif-24556088

[wooden acorn]

was it leaked before the game came out?

[meager vortex]

crack!(demon neck broken like a chicken)

[fleet spruce]

iirc it was before release, immediately went viral too

[wooden acorn]

ohh interesting

I don't remember hearing about that

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-shield-buzzsaw-saw-gif-9442590416015906813

[fleet spruce]

Smack em with mace!

[meager vortex]

if elon musk going to mars find the DOOM SLAYER i will happy for it

he just go to mars

[fleet spruce]

I like how idea of hebeth level implies that humans on earth are argenta descendants and also ties into Doom 3 plot point about ancient martians + time travel fuckery means that Argent D'Nur existed long before humanity on earth. Just food for thought

[valid pawn]

Double chain shield would be dope as hell

[grim cloud]

i think when i play this game for the first time, im going to turn off as many color stuff as possible, will prob have to play on hmp

[fleet spruce]

don't forget to add gray medieval filter

so all colors would vanish altogether

[hard thistle]

I hope they make another one of these for dark ages

[fleet spruce]

with proper music this time

[hard thistle]

Nah with the wrong music it would be so funny

[lapis gorge]

they should make a dark ages ad with this exact same editing style and song

[silent surge]

not medieval, but with this. https://youtu.be/merSR-CNzRg?si=BdZjBVYSUh1pa9Ad

[vagrant path]

I wanna turn off the slow motion stuff

and maybe some other decorative features

[graceful lion]

iirc thats only activated by pressing the shield throw button or something

or, from what ive heard

[vagrant path]

I heard it's a togglable option

so hopefully I can have some fast paced and diagetic gameplay

[graceful lion]

some playtesters said the game felt faster than doom eternal

which i can definitely see, you can have enemies throw shit at you from all directions

since the areas are significantly more open, you have less space to only have 180 degrees of where enemies can shoot at you

u can also have some of the wierd bullet helly laser walls spawn behind you, so you gotta look around you at all times

[winter idol]

Thats cause they played the un stitched together tracks on a livestream to hype up trailer #2 for eternal, I remember cause i watched that stream, it didnt leak it was technically official

[fleet spruce]

Oh

thanks for reminding me of history

Man, time leading up to release of eternal was magical experience

[woven jolt]

and although you can't really quick swap between guns, you can quick swap between the shield, melee, and different guns, so it'll have more potential

[graceful lion]

theyll probably find a way to make quickswap kinda there

[woven jolt]

probably, but idk if we'll be getting a hitscan weapon like the ballista

[graceful lion]

we'll see, but it seems like it might just be the shotgun class or something

[woven jolt]

we could probably do something interesting with the railspike, super shotgun, rocket launcher, and the chainshot weapon, in terms of quickswap

[graceful lion]

yeah

[woven jolt]

but I'm not entirely sure if we'll be getting grenades or anything, their function is probably being replaced by the shield/melee

[graceful lion]

well, it looked like doomguy had a grenade launcher on him

[woven jolt]

I think that was a mounted minigun

a shield rune upgrade

[plain iron]

It doesn't look like one 😭

[woven jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1018044695013761106/1359092557174538320/image.png?ex=67f63914&is=67f4e794&hm=fc913fe0fe6e47d019ed7176f17184618246b70b24c2877aa5e33d4339725c4f&
see, more like a machine gun

[graceful lion]

interesting

[near valley]

What you guys think gonna be next collectors edition thing, they gave only 2 out of 3 key cards so there gonna be the 3rd one

[autumn dawn]

he already had a grenade launcher last game

[solemn wyvern]

Wait there a grenade lawnchair in eternal?

[wheat sigil]

you get it like 15 min into the game😭

[solemn wyvern]

Isn’t that a rockit lawnchair?

[wheat sigil]

in the first mission, you get a grenade launcher which is attached to your shoulder

the rocket launcher is an entire weapon unlocked in the third mission

[solemn wyvern]

Oh that

I meant as a hand held weapon

[autumn dawn]

nah, but the shoulder mounted still counts as a grenade launcher

[solemn wyvern]

Eye guess

[hollow sandal]

@grim cloud thank you I appreciate it

[barren iron]

https://tenor.com/view/community-ken-jeong-ben-chang-cant-see-squint-gif-5056034

[hard thistle]

No need for even time travel, really - just long-term descendants and the passing of objective fact into legend through a millions-of-years-long telephone game.

[final dune]

And that's how the aggadon hunters got to earth

[hard thistle]

Well they seem to be native to Earth.

[final dune]

Can you send me the URL when you do?

[devout cove]

cacodemon

[grave anvil]

Really digging the new cacodemon design. It reminds me of the 2016 mancubus design, a favorite of mine.

[solemn wyvern]

Cacademon

[harsh egret]

cacodemon

[plain iron]

The cacodemon is definitely not a maykr

[fleet spruce]

Oh right, i forgot for a second that entire reboot universe is different one altogether

[hollow sandal]

Cacodaemon

[final dune]

Did they release screenshots or something

[hollow sandal]

Anyone know if more is coming and when?

[grave anvil]

They released a short video on Twitter and Instagram

[final dune]

Can you send me the URL?

[grave anvil]

Done

[final dune]

Thanks

Man I really hope we get a trailer soon

[hollow sandal]

I wanna parry his attack and then shoot him with an Impaler steak

[barren iron]

I imagine we'll get a "release" type sizzle reel trailer

but probably not much more than that

[hollow sandal]

A gaggle of kakadaemons

[final dune]

Guh

[graceful lion]

hmmm, if the caco looks like that, can we assume that the arachnotron is like a descendent from cacodemons?

[grave anvil]

I wonder how the Baron of Hell will look in Dark Ages? If it got redesigned, I hope the devs considered giving it ram horns.

Just think it would be interesting.

[barren iron]

the cacodemon looks like you stole the last cookie and it's mad at you lmao

[sterile sage]

The ccdemon design is a bit mysterious

[final dune]

"ID SOFTWARE! RELEASE ANOTHER TRAILER FOR DOOM THE DARK AGES AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!"

[grim cloud]

that is one strange cacodemon variant

will it bleed blue?

[winter idol]

bro what the fuck did they do to the cacodemon

https://bsky.app/profile/doom.com/post/3lmcos5pi722u

DOOM (@doom.com)

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[grim cloud]

its is some primordial proto-cacodemon

[proud vine]

interesting take ngl

[grim cloud]

it fires a purple projectile

[delicate grotto]

Huh, interesting design. I like the direction. Gonna miss the goofy meatball though.

But to be fair, I don’t see it fitting TDA’s artstyle.

[grim cloud]

well codex mentions caco's coming from a dreadnaught,

[graceful lion]

hmmm, so are the arachnotrons an evolution of the cacos?

[final dune]

Elaborate

[fleet spruce]

this is like fusion of D3 caco and scrapped D4 caco

interesting

[pallid wing]

Caco shoots purple projectile ooooh

[silent surge]

and green too

so likely the purple will be worlds beyond related

[barren iron]

it looks kind of like an HP lovecraft-cthulu type demon, I dig it honestly

[vagrant path]

Fuckin knew it was a caco dude

[barren iron]

I think it's cool we're getting to see demons in their unfinished state, like the experiments are on-going

[grim cloud]

"It is said that the Cacodemon bears some resemblance to the cycloptic titans of ancient Hell lore, leading Sentinel scholars to believe that the forgotten titans may yet live on in some disembodied form"-Codex

all I could find, but there is some relation, prob a nod to the astral dreadnaught

[grizzled spoke]

What the fuck is that?

[wooden acorn]

crackodemon

[grim cloud]

proto-cacodemon

[grizzled spoke]

Eldritch space horror, that design is cool

[barren iron]

people are going to hate on it because it's different

[feral bane]

It looks like they fused the Doom 3 cacodemons with the spider mastermind

Not what I expected but I suppose it fits better into the aesthetic and tone this game is going for

[hard thistle]

Not impossible. Like I said earlier, Doom 2016's Mancubi are not actually Mancubi, but Cacodemons.

[sonic turret]

Seriously guys, I was shouting the odds, protesting and telling everyone that the new octabrain isn't a cacodemon, now I'll never hear the last of it.

[hard thistle]

That whole shifting of species VS official name has a precedent. This might be filling the Cacodemon role, but for all we know it's a weird proto...Arachno....thing.

[graceful lion]

oooooo the brain is a cacodemon ooooo ur wrong

[worldly lava]

Fellas we are less than a month away for peak to arrive

[barren iron]

we are still over a month lmao

[slender night]

... we are more than a month away

[plain iron]

A month and a couple days

[sonic turret]

It literally is named the cacodemon.

Much to my embarrassment.

[proud vine]

a month and 5 days actually

[grim cloud]

cacodemon fires green too, is he stupid?

mabye the demons should like stop firing green stuff, because slayer is going to parry it

I feel very VERY sorry for any Slime/POison/Toxic variant of a demon, he aint going to do shit

[barren iron]

"parry this you filthy casual"

Doom guy: "ok"

[harsh fiber]

I think it looks pretty cool

[barren iron]

I really like the design, really leaning into the lovecraftian eldritch horror, hope we see more of that in the whole game. It's a SUPER under-utilized design choice when it comes to horror

[warm ibex]

100% deserved lmao

every time I told people that was a cacodemon they'd get mad at me

[barren iron]

@warm ibex I'm very jealous of you, you have played the game

[warm ibex]

and you'll be playing in no time at all! about a month now

[sonic turret]

But that was based on the fact that it floats, I mean aside from that, it doesn't even look like a cacodemon.

[barren iron]

I started back up Brutal doom, it's so stupid, but I love it

[warm ibex]

design language is everything, it's all still there even if you can't see it! It takes (very obvious) elements from the Doom 3 cacodemon and shares the rigid armor-like outer surface of the modern caco. And on top of that it has one huge eye, a big mouth and flies around

I thought it was obvious. Of course they didn't take an enemy from Duke or copy a fan-made mod demon lol

[graceful lion]

do you think there's potential that the game will feel fast or faster than eternal? (in terms of inputs you put in and movement etc)

[sonic turret]

I think the design is probably based on the Grell, which was probably also the inspiration for the Octobrain.

[barren iron]

I just want to say, it's fucking absurd how good the Doom Eternal soundtrack is

[sonic turret]

Then tell the guys in the Doom Eternal channel. That's yesterday's news, you're in the Dark Ages now.

https://tenor.com/view/its-like-were-in-the-dark-ages-dark-times-dark-periods-medieval-tough-times-gif-13856502

[warm ibex]

It feels faster than eternal at times, and a lot of that is due to the amount of actions you'll be performing in a short span and not just movement speed

[graceful lion]

oh yeah, especially since it seems some of the horizontal attacks you have to jump above can be behind you, while enemies are attacking youi from the front

[barren iron]

I've been hearing this, but in that it's also done in such a way that you aren't completely overwhelmed and have time to think things through.

[graceful lion]

so you gotta be aware of everything

[barren iron]

or at least that it's more forgiving than Eternal from the standpoint of a single missed button or keystroke won't get you killed

in most instances

[wheat sigil]

that doesn't happen in eternal

[sonic turret]

True, it's more about recovery than not getting hit in the first place. You're gonna get hit, you just have to be good at farming resources.

[wheat sigil]

yup

[barren iron]

I guess that's a better explanation.

[wheat sigil]

eternal is about proactively minimizing damage, and regaining a lot of hp
tda seems to be more reactive and allows you to take less damage

i've only watched a tiny bit of stuff though lmao

[barren iron]

I'm glad we're getting more agency over how to solve problems in this one compared to Eternal. The puzzle is still there, but it's not so much focused on which gun is best for which enemy, but rather combos

[sonic turret]

Some people will farm health from enemies but simply aren't using the flame belch enough. Of course you have to master movement too.

[wheat sigil]

there isn't any gun that's best for any enemy lmao, eternal is very free

[barren iron]

There is definitely an enemy to gun puzzle in eternal

[wheat sigil]

the only things in the base game are:
blood punch to cyber mancs/doom hunters
arbalest/ballista base fire to cacos/pain elementals

[sonic turret]

Yeah, I think it was generally the idea that there would be certain weapons for certain situations, but I think fans, particularly speed runners, were able to unexpectedly break the game and work around that.

[wheat sigil]

but these are far, far from mandatory

i often don't blood punch, as it will put me in a disadvantageous position

[barren iron]

They aren't mandatory by any sense, but like in terms of efficency and making things easier on yourself

[wheat sigil]

then why didn't they make enemies take extra damage from certain weapons? lol

eternal is objectively a free game, you just gotta apply creativity

[hard thistle]

I think the Cacodemon looks sufficiently Caco-like to me.

[wheat sigil]

if you don't play the game how you want, that's on you

[sonic turret]

I mean I remember Hugo telling Markiplier that he can use his BFG while he was fighting the Marauder, however I rarely ever manage to make it work against a Marauder.

[hard thistle]

The last time they tried this, it sucked. But Doom 3's Caco is boring color-wise, which is why.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1313873565145235506/1359215875558740100/360.png?ex=67f6abed&is=67f55a6d&hm=a970f3c13e9341cf013bb2b270567f70a43ff0048ff575ffcb28fa9fbfd84edb&
It's Doom 64 that gets the reward for worst Cacodemon design. I don't like it.

[barren iron]

I assume that the dynamic soundtrack is back for TDA? I really enjoyed that about eternal

[wheat sigil]

https://youtu.be/DehKqlhc2u4?si=zu5gcs-6ndLR1-5G

[barren iron]

that wasn't supposed to be a response

[barren iron]

lmao, it looks like a demonic meatball

[sonic turret]

Yeah, that's never ha with me, but some people just cultivate crackerjack timing.

[hard thistle]

I don't mind the colors. What I dislike are the arms. More than anything TDA changes, to me adding functional arms goes against what a Cacodemon is supposed to look like.

[feral bane]

Pain elemental reject

[hasty anchor]

Has the alternate variant of the skull crusher been seen yet?

[wheat sigil]

you don't need any timing, just shoot the marauder with the pb and switch to the bfg

[sonic turret]

Which was basically a Pain Elemental.

[grim cloud]

yah midway got their shit mixed up me thinks

[hard thistle]

Yeah, and it's dumb because the actual Pain Elemental design goes hard in Doom 64. Why did they do this shit to the Cacodemon? Stupid.

[sonic turret]

Ed had one job. Just one.

[feral bane]

They probably thought the eye ridges and arms would make it more menacing

[hard thistle]

It anthropomorphizes the Cacodemon too much. They should be animals, not people. They aren't Imps.

[grim cloud]

i find that offensive

[hard thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1313873565145235506/1359216913372418089/latest.png?ex=67f6ace5&is=67f55b65&hm=d8aa6734c24052894a8a17ea8731b43527fe0e5461a5e7a46af13383c32a0a41&
This is how you add arms to a Cacodemon. Genius design change. It's subtle, doesn't take away from the main design, and it ties the design into the 2016 Mancubus.

[sonic turret]

You're the wrong colour too.

[grim cloud]

purple cacos exists, id will add the variant soon

[hard thistle]

It establishes the Cacodemon as part of a family of animals - the arms point to the possibility of other adjacent species that make better use of them. Hence the 2016 Mancubus' likely status as a Cacodemon sub-species:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1313873565145235506/1359217189248438394/Codex_mancubus.png?ex=67f6ad26&is=67f55ba6&hm=e699ef96a4f83ee98f7b0dff90514ab7bcf981a23ffeda592b2db39d9d781c28&

[feral bane]

Never considered that the Mancubi and Cacodemons were related, but that makes quite a lot of sense

[sonic turret]

I remember there being some other colours in the RPG.

[feral bane]

I’m assuming caco’s detach from their bodies once their bellies break open

[hard thistle]

I specifically mean 2016's Mancubus, yes. The heads look nearly identical, and they attack the same way - expelling toxic bile from their bodies. I take 2016's Mancubus to be a Cacodemon sub-species where the arms and legs are able to grow, but the head shrinks.

It's not said in the Codex but it's 100% a deliberate design choice, I'm sure of it.

[sonic turret]

But the classic cacodemons and mancubuses look so different, it's more of a recent design innovation.

[feral bane]

Doom has like a million different demon types that look and function similarly but are different species entirely

[hard thistle]

I take them as evolution. I think old Cacodemons evolved to start growing arms, and from there we saw an offshoot species likely just native to the Great Steppe or something. The others kept growing arms but never used them, leading to limb atrophy.

[grim cloud]

a classic mancubus got it one with a caco, it isn't THAT far fetched

[hard thistle]

Cacodemons are already efficient hunters even without limbs, so I think it'd be a scenario where they wouldn't need to use them unless they bred and stayed in an environment that was harmful to normal Cacodemon shit. The Codexes imply Cacos tend to prefer deep, dank places like sloughs, so perhaps 2016 Mancubi are Cacos forced out of a region like that and breeding over time?

You can see examples of this with other things:

• Pinkies evolved to grow tough, hard hides except for their tale, and their ferocity earned them a name based on Davoth. There's a sub-species that has half the body removed, likely for meat, and then supplemented with prosthetics for war. (Doom 3's Pinkies, also known as Hellhounds.)
• Classic Hell Knights seem to have died out and were replaced with an unrelated species that was punished for serving a rebel demon. They then grew into the ranks - the only classic Hell Knight left seems to be the Gladiator, which is now dead.

[sonic turret]

Why didn't the Pinky's tail evolve the exoskeletal armor?

[feral bane]

Likey because ramming was their primary way of hunting prey

So only their front side needed heavy protection

[sonic turret]

I mean obviously the classic version didn't have a tail at all.

[hard thistle]

Not sure. If I had to guess based on gameplay speculation, classic Pinkies attack by charging headfirst and biting. Maybe that ties into it.

They would only "need" armor on areas that other predators/victims could attack. You wouldn't get much of a chance to target a Pinky's backside.

[sonic turret]

But that's exactly how we kill them.

Along with the blood punch.

[feral bane]

Doomguy is a lot more maneuverable than their usual prey and hunters I’m guessing

[hard thistle]

Also, this is pure speculation and going way beyond what Doom thought of - it's possible that it's also because they don't use it. Lots of apes have pronounced and muscular growths on their asses because they tend to sit on rough, uneven surfaces. Pinkies, IIRC, rest on their stomachs rather than on their asses or anything. I'd also wonder if a harder exoskeleton along the ass and tail could make it harder to breed or defecate.

[feral bane]

What do Pinkies hunt anyways

Imps?

[hard thistle]

What I mainly mean is the A->B progression of killing Pinkies by attacking headfirst in the classic games, so they evolve to protect this area, forcing you to attack their tails.

[hard thistle]

Demon culture sees them as very hostile and dangerous by the modern games. Like they named them after Davoth, even. I would suspect they're kind of like wolves, or lions - nuisances that are dangerous if found in the wild, but can be captured, eaten, or used in battle.

They're definitely not sapient like Imps or Barons or whatever. They'd be predatory monsters like Cacodemons, but useful to harness and point at an enemy and go "sic em, bud!"

I bet they'd probably eat the shit out of Gargoyles.

[feral bane]

Hunting Gargoyles would be a tough challenge since they can fly

[grim cloud]

there are unarmored pinky variants too

[sonic turret]

What do you mean about the naming them after Davoth?

[hard thistle]

If we go by Eternal, probably only for short distances. I'd expect a Pinky could hunt a Gargoyle until it succumbs to exhaustion, then eat them.

[feral bane]

Pinkies might use stealth tactics too

[grim cloud]

and i feel like a lot of them have evolved to blend into the enviroment like a chameleon (spectre)

[sonic turret]

I believe the Specter has lighter armour, if any.

[hard thistle]

The Eternal Lorebook confirms the official demon name for Pinkies is "the Nameless." That's what the demons call them. Davoth's title in Hell is referred to in 2016 as "the Nameless One," and TAG reveals it's because the Father stole his "name" when he betrayed him.

[feral bane]

Catch a gargoyle on its lonesome, sneak up, and then charge at it when it’s in range

Won’t even be able to react before it’s dead

[sonic turret]

Then I shall name them Dave and Davina, after Davoth.

[feral bane]

This is really funny to me if they’re intended to be named after Davoth lol.

Out of all the demons they choose the Pinky for that honor

[hard thistle]

I suppose this isn't confirmed so I should stop treating it like it's fact. It's possible this is just a coincidence. But I highly doubt it.

[sonic turret]

Have you managed to put much down on paper about the Dark Ages lore yet?

I've only heard character names, most of which I've forgotten already.

[hard thistle]

Not much. I'm trying to stay away from coming to any serious conclusions, so I don't get attached to one just to have it disproved when the game comes out. What I find most interesting, though, is the Tyler McVicker video talking about the lore and how the Slayer's silence + altered mental state isn't because of the Divinity Machine, but rather the Maykrs keeping him shocked and brainwashed to use him as a weapon.

Apparently this will be a big plotline in TDA - I heard tell of a scene where the Slayer briefly breaks free of this "control," only for the Kreed Maykr (the fat one) to up the voltage and subdue him.

[sonic turret]

Well that was confirmed by Hugo.

[hard thistle]

Yeah, in the interview in that video.

I think that will be very interesting to see.
I also suspect Drumavi will be involved in the game because of that whole purple alt dimension thing. That could be exciting.

[sonic turret]

Kreed Maykr, ah, I heard it as the King Maykr when the one YouTuber mentioned it.

[sonic turret]

Who and what?

Who's Drumavi and what purple dimension?

[hard thistle]

Drumavi is an alien world Hell invaded as detailed in the Eternal Lorebook. It's a whole thing and irrelevant to the story, just worldbuilding - apparently, Drumavi tried to invade Hell, and Hell's counter-invasion was so bad it eradicated their population and subdued their greatest warrior, the Gargaska. We see brief images of Drumavi as drawings but that's it.

[sonic turret]

I mean Kreed makes sense, because creed means belief, so it makes sense that he or she would head the brainwashing.

[sonic turret]

Sounds like a recent Middle Eastern attack gone wrong that backfired.

[hard thistle]

The purple dimension thing; some info on the game we saw indicates that there's a mysterious world that's neither Sentinel or Hell related. It uses purple as a motif, and it's where you find a weapon, this gun that shoots a ball-and-chain to wallop demons. Hugo was pretty aloof about what it is and what it means.

I suspect that could be Drumavi, like we'll visit its ruins and find things they left behind, to try and avoid the fate they had.

[pallid wing]

I honestly think doom 64 switched up the Caco and Pain Elemental.
64's Caco has arms and chains, like II's PE.
Maybe the Caco was going to spit twin fireballs at some point?

[hard thistle]

I like to think it's because of the resurrected corpses thing + radiation.

64 Cacos are resurrected Pain Elementals that lost their ability to spew skulls.
64 Pain Elementals are the mutated biomass of Cacodemons.

[slender night]

Maybe Doomguy's image of them is warped too

[hard thistle]

Hence why 64 Cacos are brown and have arms, and 64 Pain Elementals are red.

[frigid hornet]

i am thinking of making a doom the dark ages poster in my room
any thoughts ?

[barren iron]

I can't wait till we get an official poster

I would love a large one for my office

[grim cloud]

feels a tad stretchy there

but purple dimension, maybe purple cacodemons lurk there

to blend into the enviroment

[harsh egret]

There was also a big green environment in one of the concept arts from one of the twitter vids

Almost looked like a place for the dragon

Just thought it looked so diff from anything we seen before tbh

[grim cloud]

green enviroment? does the slayer just parry the entire zone and be done with it?

very short level

[harsh egret]

Yh precisely

[frigid hornet]

lol

[harsh egret]

Reverse zone where parryable stuff is red or purple instead of green

And green is not perryable

[barren iron]

lmao I've found like 3 fake TDA strategy guides on amazon so far

[harsh egret]

Sometimes i wonder who would actually fall for that

[barren iron]

#screenshots message

Most egeregious one I've found so far

[harsh egret]

And why even pay for that

[barren iron]

some dude almost bought one yesterday thinking it was legit

[harsh egret]

Bruh

[barren iron]

luckily he posted it in here first lmao

[cobalt fog]

How do people feel about the dragon gameplay?

[barren iron]

from general consensus, it's the weakest gameplay loop in the game

based on the various gameplay previews I've seen

[cobalt fog]

Honestly it looks fun to me, seems like a fun mix of a little mini game and slayer ground combat since you board the ships

[harsh egret]

Id said they are still working on it

[cobalt fog]

When ?

Did they respond to like dragon complaints?

[harsh egret]

Yh some previewers got that answer when talking about the dragon segments

They are aware of some of the negative responses and they said they were and will still be working ok it

[cobalt fog]

Anyone in specific I could listen to?

[harsh egret]

I forgot off the top of my head ngl

I heard it from 3-4 diff previewers at least

But ye dont remember who and not able to go check atm xd

[harsh egret]

I think one might be the preview from Inside Games on youtube

Its a pretty alright preview nonetheless

[cobalt fog]

Tbh NO OFFENSE… BUT, I think your just coping

But I like the gameplay so far

[barren iron]

I mean, it's pretty clear it's the weakest between the three styles we were shown

it wasn't very well received across the board

[harsh egret]

We see like 2 minutes, while previewers said it's the weakest thing, people who actually played

[cobalt fog]

That’s what I’ve heard

[harsh egret]

What u see is like 2 mins of b-roll footage

Id rather take the feedback from people who played it like an hr

[barren iron]

It's not cope if basically everyone that's played it so far has said it's the weakest part of the game

[cobalt fog]

I personally like it because it’s like boarding the saber from halo reach in a way and then boarding a ship

[harsh egret]

Ofc it looks fun cause its like one minute of prerecorded footage by bethesda

[cobalt fog]

So I’m all for it

[harsh egret]

But u didnt play it for an hr

I have no doubts it will be improved on release tho!

[barren iron]

It doesn't mean that section is necessarily bad it just means compared to the other two sections, it's not as good

[harsh egret]

They did play on a 3 month old build anyways

[cobalt fog]

Atlan segments look… okay? I guess I just wish I could use more atlan weaponry besides hand and big gun

Like some Atlans have big ass guns on their back and spears

Maybe in the base game they will have more

But I’m just going off of what I saw

[harsh egret]

Again, on that as well u get like 2 mins of footage of when u first get the atlan btw

U think u want all the abilities shown and played with in the first 2 mins?

We have zero idea what the game would look like and honestly i feel zero reason to judge things they said they are still working on based on a now 4 month old build. Id rather see the reviews

On release

[cobalt fog]

Well their gameplay is described as repedetive (—- google wouldn’t spell this correct for me)
So id assume those 4 minutes is basically what it is

[hard thistle]

It's "repetitive."

[cobalt fog]

Thanks lmao

[harsh egret]

Lmao

The is the age old problem of literally any game

Again we dont know what the gameplay of those sections will look like on release

[cobalt fog]

We have been told the atlan and dragon segments have ability’s but not upgrades

By the devs

In the 15 minute dev direct

[harsh egret]

??

[frail bloom]

That new caco is my favorite caco design, I'm not even kidding

[cobalt fog]

Actually wait it was like 19 minutes and 23 seconds

[harsh egret]

Ive watched that thing like 20 times i have zero memory of that

[vapid lodge]

@slim shuttle apologies if you don't prefer to be tagged, I just wanted to tell you that I have been feeling the same regarding the excitement for TDA.

It could be that my life is a bit different, it could be that we were oversaturated with Eternal and we kinda learnt the curve, even if its not the gameplay.

Could be that we are experienced but I am not sure why I dont feel the same exciment as I did for Eternal.

It doesnt mean I wont keep buying DOOM stuff but I dont know why I am not feeling it

[frail bloom]

Most people liked the mech with generally positive things to say but the dragon has been mixed

[harsh egret]

They just said the combat systems are deep and tons of fun

[cobalt fog]

Idk how I feel about it, a lot of the old demons have their current og doom looks and then this guy looks completely different but I mean the pinky looks different too so I’m kinda just nitpicking but you get my point

[harsh egret]

Where do they literally say what u said lol

[cobalt fog]

I remember every word of it deadass

[harsh egret]

Ok timestamp please

[frail bloom]

This was literally ages before 2016 why would they have to look the same

If it's cool it's cool

[cobalt fog]

Timestamp I’ll have to go back to find it, I’m just saying I remember all the words you could quiz me on it lol

[harsh egret]

Im literally on the vid rn they talk about the mech for like 4 sentences and what u said isnt there

[cobalt fog]

Should be when the dragon is flying they say something

[harsh egret]

"they have a full suite of abilities and even mini bosses"

Where is the "they have no upgrades" part

[cobalt fog]

They don’t specifically say “no upgrades” but upgrades are not mentioned at all and when we connect that to the gameplay we are shown well it’s just connecting pieces together at that point

[harsh egret]

Oml

[frail bloom]

Eternal was during covid, and genuinely the best game to play during lockdown, tda could live up to eternal yet you won't feel the same bc the time a game releases is important. We have work to do, some of us have jobs, we can't no-life it like eternal, and that's okay. let's just enjoy the ride.

[vapid lodge]

When TDA was announced last year, I yelled so hard my throat hurt, so I was excited but idk why I am not getting it now

[frail bloom]

In the menu in the direct, you can see that the dragon and mech have their own slots like your shield and melee, so yes they have upgrades

[harsh egret]

Theres still time dw

[frail bloom]

I guess because they didn't show as much compared to eternal. Eternal played all it's cards and we had a wild time but we have no idea what 90% of this game is gonna be like

It's curiosity like mayo mentioned

[harsh egret]

I feel the exact same but its just cuz its my graduation year rn and its pretty stressful

[barren iron]

I'm pretty damn stoked for TDA, it's looking like it could be my GOTY

[harsh egret]

ok im lying, i did get pretty hyped seeing the preview footage and stuff but yeah

[frail bloom]

I screamed when I saw a traditional glory kill

[harsh egret]

yh it was pretty sick

i wouldve been fine even if they didnt have them anymore tbh

so it was a pleasant surprise

since the normal glory kill system makes no sense in this game

[frail bloom]

The thing is, I was prepared to not have them so seeing them was so awesome

And it's completely optional too

You can still get health and not be locked in place

Yeah anyways you could literally put the new caco in 2016 and it would fit perfectly

[frail bloom]

The only game I'm looking forwards to besides pain killer and deltarune

[barren iron]

painkiller looks so sick

I'm also really looking forward to Crimson Desert

[frail bloom]

What do you think of the new caco

[cobalt fog]

I didn’t see that I just saw stuff for shield, weapons and armor

[frail bloom]

Alright lemme watch it again

[frail bloom]

My apologies I was looking at the settings and not the other menu

[cobalt fog]

My bad too it wasn’t armor it was melee lol

[frail bloom]

I would assume there are upgrades because they can't say that they have a bunch of abilites and show off the most basic dragon gameplay

I'm assuming here

[graceful lion]

they have time to fix the dragon

[frail bloom]

I'm assuming they had 2 months till release

Which isn't a lot of time

My question is how they found it fun for 2 yrs

[hard thistle]

new cacodemon does not look too great

[frail bloom]

Why

[hard thistle]

i understand keeping the same meatball design for 3 games in a row wouldnt be very creative but they couldve done a little better

[hard thistle]

it fits great for the new dark aesthetic this games going for but generally it just doesnt do it

[frail bloom]

It's my favorite caco design

[pallid wing]

They went with a spaghetti design instead

No meatball, only speghetti

[graceful lion]

i think the dark ages is like thousands or millions of years in the past

[frail bloom]

You can prefer whatever but classic design does not always mean good

I like how unsettling it looks, it still has one eye and floats

[graceful lion]

but im not sure if that would make sense since how is valen alive in eternal

[pallid wing]

I hate classic pinkies and nudoom pinkies
Doom 3 had the best pinky

[hard thistle]

its in between doom 64 and 2016

[feral bane]

Hell vitalizes whoever is within it

I think it made him ageless

Basically

[graceful lion]

ohh, i see

so the portal to exultia lead to hell basically?

[hard thistle]

Either Hell did this or Argenta naturally have incredibly long lifespans. I prefer Hell doing it.

[feral bane]

Doom 3 shows this a bit with how you get infinite stamina while in hell

[graceful lion]

in exultia*

[hard thistle]

Yes. The portal you enter in Exultia led to an area of the planet Hell absorbed.

[graceful lion]

good god why is my pc suddenly hanging

[graceful lion]

i see

how much time do you think has been between tda and 2016?

[hard thistle]

i think the games supposed to lead right up to 2016

[graceful lion]

no, the dlc ends up with you in the coffin

[hard thistle]

maybe itll end with you being sealed away in the coffin and then a cutscene of you being found by hayden's team

[hard thistle]

im talking about the coffin from 2016

[graceful lion]

yes

[hard thistle]

oh

[graceful lion]

theres TDA and the dlc for it

[spare panther]

that hasnt been confirmed iirc

[graceful lion]

well yeah, but its likely not gonna be tda if theres a dlc

[frail bloom]

They said that wasn't the case?

[hard thistle]

From the Slayer's perspective it's billions of years before 2016. From the perspective of Earth, modern humans do not exist yet. While The Dark Ages is happening, complex life beyond Agaddon Hunters haven't even began to exist on Earth yet.

[graceful lion]

oh i see

[graceful lion]

billions, fucking hell

this guy is OLD

[hard thistle]

The game can't lead into 2016 unless it has a bunch of billion-year timeskips. The most reasonable place for the base game to end is IMO at the discovery of Nekravol, right before the Argenta Civil War.

What I expect is the base game to end there, then the DLC to cover the Civil War and end with the Betrayal, leading into the 2016 Testaments.

[graceful lion]

now something i think would be really fuckin cool, but im not sure would work, would be if the testaments played as you were killing demons in the DLC

[hard thistle]

Hugo said the game leads into the Testaments. By this metric, the Testaments begin with the Slayer stranded in Hell, angry and on a rampage, after Hell has decimated Argent D'Nur.

So the furthest we'll likely go is the fall of Argent D'Nur and then from there lead into the Slayer in Hell.

[graceful lion]

"in the first age, in the first battle, one stood"
narration as the slayer is committing demoncide

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[hard thistle]

Would be neat if done well.

[graceful lion]

yeah if they somehow made you have some sort of flashback of you playing as the slayer in the first battle, or something

[hard thistle]

Well, in this case they'd be flashing back to Doom 1993. That'd be cool but I doubt they'd do that.

[frail bloom]

Worse case scenario they retcon a bunch of things and don't address it

[hard thistle]

tda takes place after doom 64's ending doesnt it

Yes.

i didnt know he spent that long in hell

[hard thistle]

The billions of years are after he becomes the Slayer.

[barren iron]

I love how the Slayer is the universal constant lmao

[hard thistle]

64 ending -> unknown time in Hell, probably short -> ends up in Argent D'Nur -> rises ranks, war with Hell begins -> becomes Slayer -> more war, then civil war -> stranded in Hell for billions of years -> sarcophagus -> Doom 2016.

[silent surge]

it sounded like they wanted to leave it open ended for more potential medieval time frame stiff in the future

[hard thistle]

oh ok i see

[graceful lion]

-> few years later -> doom eternal -> tag 1 -> tag 2

[hard thistle]

Probably. I imagine they'd want to avoid writing themselves into a corner.

[graceful lion]

->??

[silent surge]

64 is hugo’s favorite!

[hard thistle]

Around 14 years, to be specific. At least from Earth's POV. From the Slayer's, maybe more, if he spent any of it in Hell.

[graceful lion]

how is discord not responding for a few seconds on a 5900x thats crazy

[silent surge]

i remember asking hugo once about a “2152” in an eternal trailer - and he said it was a marketing team thing they did

[graceful lion]

i guess so yeah

[graceful lion]

so some marketing bs pretty much

i guess?

[hard thistle]

Yeah that sounds like it points to my assumption - that it's marketing bullshit, and the most reliable source is Elena Richardson saying the year is 2163.

Doom 2016 is 2149. Eternal's 2163. So about 14 years fighting Hell.

[graceful lion]

do you think elena is alive or if we'll ever see her if Id ever decide to add a new game made chronologically after tag 2?

[frail bloom]

No

[graceful lion]

or is she only written about in the codex in a way that makes her seem dead

[hard thistle]

I'm not sure if she's alive. I mean, the ARC Complex was pretty ruined by the time the Slayer is there.

[graceful lion]

fair point

[hard thistle]

I think if she were alive, we'd have known about it. She seemed pretty loud in her devotion near the end of her notes. But who knows?

[graceful lion]

did she examine him while he was in the coffin or, probably not right?

was he like incapacitated or something

[graceful lion]

maybe in the codex about her (if it exists) it says "elena richardson was ......"

[hard thistle]

We have no clue if she was on Mars. But she at least knows about shit from 2016's events.

[graceful lion]

she seemed to have access to his body since he checked his blood and stuff

she*

[hard thistle]

This is Dr. Elena Richardson, log entry 002 - subject analysis of Doom Slayer. January 24th, 2163. There is no chance that the subject is a demon - we have blood samples pulled from Mars base event that show his blood type is AB positive. He is male with a genome that makes him very much a member of the human race, but the enhanced strength, speed and athleticism would indicate otherwise. But we can see from the blood samples that there are foreign bodies present of unknown origin.
My guess is she was UAC, but based on Earth, who joined the ARC when it came down to it.

[graceful lion]

oh

blood samples from the mars base event

[hard thistle]

I got the vibe that she's referring to blood samples pulled from post-2016 analysis of the Mars base.

[graceful lion]

well yeah they seem to have made it clear its from the events of it, and not from him directly

[barren iron]

Man I really need to play through 2016

sigh

[graceful lion]

i guess i missed that

[graceful lion]

yea its cool

[frail bloom]

Titans realm is always breathtaking to look at

[barren iron]

I'm making it my objective to play through as much of the franchise as possible before TDA

[frail bloom]

For the wrong reasons

[hard thistle]

elena richardson is just there to show an innocent uac scientist's perspective on the slayer

[barren iron]

I may not play TAG 1 and 2 though

I've heard mixed things

[hard thistle]

its not a bad dlc at all

I'll just marathon the series before TDA.

[frail bloom]

Tag 2 is fun if you ignore the expectations leading up to it

[graceful lion]

same, atleast the games i have

either way im waiting for a sale for tda to buy it 🔥

(on third party stores which are cheaper)

[hard thistle]

there probably wont be a good sale until long after the games release

[barren iron]

I've got gamepass, so I'm playing it on launch, but will def buy it once it goes on sale or something

or I just get some extra cash

[graceful lion]

which suchs

[fleet spruce]

They're awesome, TAG1 is kinda a ball buster tho

[barren iron]

I need to snag Doom Eternal from CDkeys, it's really cheap rn

[hard thistle]

the only thing i want to do before tda is get caught up on all the ingame lore in new doom

ive read everything from the base eternal but im still yet to do the tags or 2016

[graceful lion]

i played through two thirds of it, the holt is hard as fuck

[barren iron]

I've also been playing brutal doom, for no other reason than it makes me laugh

[hard thistle]

Feel free to consult my guide and lore FAQ, pinned in #general.

[fleet spruce]

Oh yeah , holt is brutal, especially towards the end

took me 3 shifts at work

[hard thistle]

the tag1 final bossfight on nightmare difficulty turns the boys into men

[barren iron]

The biggest thing that's putting me off of the TAGs is that I've heard the bossfights aren't great, they're slogs and not very fun

[frail bloom]

Samur kept teleporting away from my lock-on

[hard thistle]

You should just play them and find out for yourself. I really like the Davoth fight despite what people say about it.

[frail bloom]

Had to resort to pb ballista

[hard thistle]

they definitely provide a great challenge if you're at least a decent player

[barren iron]

ah hah, I am not

[hard thistle]

if you dont like the marauder then you probably wont like the dark lord either

[barren iron]

I mean, I'm not terrible I play on Ultra-violence and do okay for the most part

[hard thistle]

hurt me plenty might be a good starting place for you then because even on the first level tag1 has much more big enemies

[fleet spruce]

I always do these, since I was playing on ROG Ally gamepad controls forced me to learn efficient combos lmao

[final dune]

Oh I didn't know that I just thought it was regular ol hell

[wheat sigil]

liking the marauder doesn't mean you like the dark lord though

[hard thistle]

yeah the dark lord is just universally hated

[frail bloom]

I just dislike him and hate his stupid lil face

[hard thistle]

even the species he created couldn't stand him to the point they trapped him in a ball

[fleet spruce]

Dark Lord was lackluster boss but I don't think a bad one

[wheat sigil]

cheaters often are...

[fleet spruce]

when your equal is marauder, overwhelming force is big marauder

[harsh egret]

the is kinda meh when u use the hammer

[hard thistle]

you would think that the creator of everything wouldve put a little more effort into his combat style than just copying the marauder

[wheat sigil]

there honestly aren't that many similarities between them

the dark lord is like the marauder if he was bad and 1 dimensional xd

[frail bloom]

Well he uses a green flash, is rng hell, and summons dogs

His healing and bigger health pool makes him tedious

[hard thistle]

yeah the main thing is just the "oh his eyes flash green shoot him and stagger him so you can deal damage!!!" gimmick

[wheat sigil]

green flash is optional with the marauder and the marauder isn't rng based

[frail bloom]

Oh yeah I forgot that the dark lord had 3 different strikes

[frail bloom]

Green flash is mostly demanding on a console but I have sticky bombed him to death

Anyways you have to sticky bomb for that world spear secret

[wheat sigil]

you can bypass the green eye flash in multiple ways

[frail bloom]

Tell me please

Imma marathon eternal again so I'd accept a vid or a guide

[grizzled thicket]

yeah u can but I don't cause ummm The Good it's more fun I guess

[wheat sigil]

you can redirect his shield, most commonly done by locking on to him with a lob, aiming away, firing, mod swap cancelling into ssg/ballista (the msc isn't required, but it makes it more consistent), here's an example vid: https://youtu.be/GmAT3aAONIA?si=LE-2SyBB-opELOwb
you can also do something called feet ballista, it's just shooting a ballista shot near his feet recently after inflicting a decent bit of damage, it will then trigger another falter (albeit shorter)
he also doesn't block shots during some animations

[hard thistle]

One can argue they're the same. Hell absorbs areas through Hellgrowth and it becomes part of Hell. The Umbral Plains are all places from Argent D'Nur that were "stolen" from the planet.

In 2016, the last level is an area from Argent D'Nur that was absorbed into Hell.

[frail bloom]

Very cool, but not exactly a console friendly strat

[graceful lion]

"im gonna block his rocke-
gets massacred

[frail bloom]

I'd just ballista his feet

[wheat sigil]

you can do it on console

[graceful lion]

have you seen the shit console players do

lemme pull up a video

[wheat sigil]

it's not really harder than on pc

[frail bloom]

If I want tetanitis sure

[graceful lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0zqciiyUBU

[graceful lion]

tetanus?

thats not from clicking

[barren iron]

I tried playing Doom Eternal on an xbox controller once, that was awful lmao

[frail bloom]

Oops

[graceful lion]

theres tetanus and tinnitus

the latter is an ear problem

[wooden acorn]

That’s arthritis

[barren iron]

I was gonna say carpal tunnel lmao

[wooden acorn]

I think

Yea that too

[frail bloom]

Yeah that

[graceful lion]

and no you wont get it from using a controller like that

have you seen what rhythm gamers do?

[frail bloom]

It just requires a bit too much for me

And I play on nightmare all the time

[graceful lion]

he played around 450 hours on console here

"not alot"

[wheat sigil]

you could learn this
https://youtu.be/SsYWXo9PutY?si=Fchxvjh0LUdpuIdE

[frail bloom]

Yeah that's more manageable

[graceful lion]

napoleon dynamite

[grizzled thicket]

I can do this it's kinda fun I guess

[wheat sigil]

i am kinda feeling like crafting some unnecessarily difficuly/flashy marauder combos now lolol

[grizzled thicket]

do it!

[wheat sigil]

i absolutely will xd

[fleet spruce]

You just need to learn what to press and when in the process, totally playable imo. I go into arena and it usually goes like this ssg > ballista > grenade > ice grenade > grenade > flame belch > blood punch > ssg > ballista/pb while maneuvering around

[barren iron]

probably going to play more brutal doom tonight, that was just so much fun lmao

[graceful lion]

yes pls

i have a really painstaking one that i did on my first playthrough, its called "use the rifle scope once per cycle, rarely twice*

and thats it

[stray pollen]

The new caco looks disgusting and I love it

[graceful lion]

and then i proceeded to quickswap 4 times during a marauder cycle during the master campaign