the-dark-ages

[frail bloom]

What about the testaments😭

[fleet spruce]

i think DLCs will be bigger this time around

[frail bloom]

I think so to

Otherwise why mention the testaments😭

[fleet spruce]

iirc they mentioned that we will witness those events in main campaign

[hard thistle]

No, what they said is the game will lead into the Testaments.

[frail bloom]

Imagine saying it'll lead to the testaments but neither the game nor dlc actually has the testaments in them

[hard thistle]

The Testaments begin with a brief mention of the original games, then mainly pick up with the Slayer after the fall of Argent D'Nur.

The game can't actually have the events of the Testaments in them, because the Testaments cover billions of years, all after Argent D'Nur fell.

[frail bloom]

That's weird tho, why mention it'll lead into the testaments and show the slayer jump on a titan in what looks like the titans realm

It has the same atmosphere and just has too many coincidences and implications

[hard thistle]

These are separate Titans.

[frail bloom]

Which are?

[hard thistle]

The Titan's Realm has the skeleton of the Great One. The Slayer fought this Titan very very long after Argent D'Nur fell.

Like that event explicitly happens long after he had even been on Argent D'Nur.

[frail bloom]

Still confusing, why mention the testaments in the first place

They could've just said that was after doom 64 but no it leads into the testaments which kind means nothing

[hard thistle]

They just want to hype it up. I have my reservations as to if it even will "lead into the Testaments" literally or if they just mean the Testaments are the next chronological canon thing to happen after this.

[frail bloom]

Huh? They're hyping up the next game when they haven't released this one yet?

Ugh

[hard thistle]

I mean they're hyping up The Dark Ages by mentioning the Testaments.

[frail bloom]

Yea, the hype has been around what's IN the testaments, I understand that they're not doing the whole tower dropping thing but if so, the marketing is very misleading

[hard thistle]

You have to understand, the timeframe here isn't conducive for a 12 hour long game. The Unholy Wars (Argent D'Nur vs Hell) were implied to last for years, and the Argenta Civil War (Sentinel loyalists VS insurrectionists) also likely lasted for a long time. This game seems to start off very early after Doomguy becomes the Slayer, so realistically they can't literally have the game lead into the Testaments without years-long timeskips in several places.

Or retconning the timeframe, which I don't want to assume.

[frail bloom]

For the campgain sure

Than I guess dlc is the civil war

Lemme guess Im wrong

[hard thistle]

Maybe. It can be. I wouldn't be surprised. If I were writing the prequel, I'd want the discovery of Nekravol (which leads into the civil war) to be the climax of the game. The Slayer kicks this villain's ass, everything's looking good for the Sentinels, but oh man we just found a stronghold built by Sentinel slaves and the Maykrs are in cahoots with Hell. Oh fuck -> cliffhanger ending.

[frail bloom]

Ima be honest, they shouldve never mentioned the testaments

[hard thistle]

If they did that, they could use the DLC to delve into the Argenta Civil War there. Bring back Marauders as alive enemies adapted to TDA's gameplay format, eventually end it off with the Betrayal and the Slayer stranded in Hell. This would effectively lead into the Testaments.

[frail bloom]

Well then that clears it up I guess

Or they'll do a timeskip, who knows

That makes more sense, however I don't like the fact that they mentioned it

[frail bloom]

Hey did the doomslayer fight the balgaar demon during the time frame of tda?

[hard thistle]

We don't know if he did fight the Baalgar or not before 2016, but if he did, then no. The Baalgar originally died during the Third Age of Hell. TDA happens during the First Age.

[frail bloom]

Sad noises

[grim cloud]

well i hope we fight baalgars as enemies, boss baalgar later

[frail bloom]

Sadly I don't think it's gonna happen

They better make some banger bosses if were skipping out on the balgaar

Or imma riot

[subtle remnant]

I’m excited for this game

[delicate grotto]

Same bro

[delicate grotto]

No clue what the bosses are gonna be in this game, but I’m excited to see what id cooks up. Curious if we’ll fight a Dreadnought as a boss with or without the Atlan.

[frail bloom]

The dreadnought is the one that invaded taras nabad right?

[delicate grotto]

Well there’s multiple dreadnoughts, but yeah I think the specific one that attacks Taras Nabad would be a great opportunity as a Boss fight. Depends on if it aligns with the game’s story though.

[frail bloom]

I hope

I've been told that we most likely won't fight the champion titan

But I want to fight a titan as the slayer

Not just the atlan

[delicate grotto]

I’m speculating that the armored Dreadnought we see in some of the game’s footage is the one that lays siege to Taras Nabad. Although I’ve also been told that could potentially clash with some lore in the timeline, so we’ll see.

[delicate grotto]

Agreed

[frail bloom]

Which makes me think if they'll have variations of titans when we're in the atlan

[delicate grotto]

I wonder that too

[frail bloom]

I wouldn't want to fight the same basic models over and over again

I saw an armored one but there could be four legged titans

[delicate grotto]

Not entirely sure if dreadnoughts and titans are one and the same, or separate entities. I’ve always interpreted Titans as stronger, more formidable dreadnoughts

Dunno though

[frail bloom]

Im not sure either

Where's mono?

[delicate grotto]

Yeah that’s fair. I wouldn’t mind it too much personally. The destructible features look incredible.

[delicate grotto]

Lol, right?

[frail bloom]

Yeah they looked like they melted when the chain gun hit them which is baffling

[delicate grotto]

Sick af

[wooden acorn]

Destructible demons was the best thing they added in eternal imo

So glad it’s coming back

[rough heart]

Youu

Hows goin

[hard thistle]

Based on the evidence we have, it seems likely that the Dreadnought is a specific Titan.

As in, the Icon of Sin, the Gargaska, the Supentor, the Leviathan, the Dreadnought.

[plain iron]

That's new, who's the leviathan? I haven't heard of that one yet

[hard thistle]

One of the four Titans that ransacked Argent D'Nur after the Betrayal. Being the first four I mentioned in that message.

[plain iron]

Huh, interesting

[hard thistle]

This is an interesting thing because of the Gargaska. The Gargaska is listed as a Titan in the First Age, but the Drumavi texts mention an alien warrior also called the Gargaska that was defeated by the Baalgar in combat when Hell was invading the place - and the Slayer isn't mentioned here so I'm inclined to believe this is after he was incapacitated.

[plain iron]

oh that's not good

[hard thistle]

So... either Hell named this random warrior after a Titan of theirs, or they retroactively went back and named the Titan the Gargaska after said random warrior.

[delicate grotto]

Ah I see, that clarifies things. Thanks

[frail bloom]

Where is this info from?

[plain iron]

Interesting that Leviathan is a name from biblical texts. I wonder if they'll portray him as a sea serpent like they say he is, or if they'll do something special

[frail bloom]

Never heard of the garskaka

[hard thistle]

The Doom Eternal Lorebook, which was only available in the Collector's Edition of Doom Eternal. You can find scans and transcripts of it online.

[frail bloom]

Oh yeah he was a ruler of the first age right?

[frail bloom]

I see

[plain iron]

Maybe a sky serpent and we fight him in the sky.....

[frail bloom]

Like the hell knights killed him or something

I forgor

[hard thistle]

Mainly the Lorebook provides info on:

1. Hell's side of the Eternal invasion
2. The invasion of the alien world Drumavi
3. additional worldbuilding for the Aranea Imperatrix, the Nameless, and the Hell/Urdak pact

[frail bloom]

Yknow that's a lot to keep track of

[plain iron]

Also. Serrat doesn't look like a wintherin, why do you think that is m0no?

It's interesting for me because now there's a whole other species of big lizard

[delicate grotto]

Very cool. I keep forgetting I’m missing a chunk of the lore info by not reading/ owning that. Lot of interesting things mentioned. Hoping TDA follows up on a lot of it.

[frail bloom]

Yeah that's what I'm saying, it's a lot to keep track of and I hope they don't screw it up like they did with samur my g

[plain iron]

The one thing that is telling me this is that she has eyes. Serrat has eyes.

[plain iron]

Samur was planned in eternal, given the whole "welcome seraphim" thing in urdak

[frail bloom]

I mean his dialogue

[plain iron]

oh

Yeah nah I get that

[frail bloom]

He went from loving argent energy to calling it an unholy practice

Makes me wonder if samuel got possesed by samur instead of being one and the same

[plain iron]

Ohh that might just be him gaining his memories back

[frail bloom]

I just hope they don't leave me with more questions

They really got to lock in this time

[delicate grotto]

Yeah I agree. I really don’t like how TAG butchered his character. It felt like him being Samur was decided during the development of Eternal, and not actually planned. I don’t mind the concept, but his character is jarring when moving from 2016 to Eternal.

[frail bloom]

Yeah I'm personally hoping that tda justifies eternals story and makes it age better

[plain iron]

The running theory w samur's memory, is - like vega - he only gained his memories as the slayer put him in the fortress, but unlike vega, he didn't say anything.

[frail bloom]

Tda can make characters like the khan makyer, samur, valen feel more impactful

[plain iron]

The more maykr like he became the more he remembered basically

[frail bloom]

That sounds like a good theory

Too bad it isn't confirmed

[plain iron]

Yeah it's m0no's

[delicate grotto]

That’s a fair theory. Would support his character development more if so.

[plain iron]

He kind of realised what he was, and I don't think the seraphs particularly like the whole hell deal

It also explains why he knows so much

But so little in 2016

[rough heart]

Well he been there for milenias

[sterile sage]

Can Dark Age do quick swaps?

[rough heart]

It should but youll dont need it this time

[sterile sage]

I was able to clear it without a quick swap on ETNAL. My question is, do I need to do a quick swap to get it done quickly.

[hard thistle]

only 50 days

[cyan lotus]

nobody knows if TDA will have quick swapping, fast swap effect in eternal is heavily used in more adept quick switching and it wasn’t even an intended mechanic, we will just have to find out

[sterile sage]

Eternal tooltips also show a quick swap, wasn't it originally intended?

[cyan lotus]

They attempted to patch out quickswitching in 2.0 ( got rid of most FSE sources, reverted the change in the next update due to backlash ) the tip screen for that was made in 4.0, and even then doesn’t utilize FSE, it definitely wasn’t intended, but it’s so commonly used that calling it a glitch is a stretch even if it is one in a technical sense

[stuck dove]

I wonder what the BFG equivalent will be in The Dark Ages

[sterile sage]

I'm worried that the machine gun will still be a bad weapon due to a quick swap.

Every machine gun was so bad except for the chain gun shield

in the reboot series

[stuck dove]

I actually really like the upgrade that splits it into four

[fleet spruce]

Looking at available gameplay, probably won't be as big as it was in Eternal if it's still there

[valid pawn]

no doom dark age gifs

[polar forum]

Well i learned that there will be way more enemies on screen than doom eternal

[plain iron]

Mhm

Slower it seems, but more demons

[fleet spruce]

not a problem tbh

[plain iron]

I view it as a good thing, I don't like how fast eternal was

[plucky plinth]

same

[fleet spruce]

to each their own i guess? dont think i ever had a problem with game's pace

[sleek ermine]

The machine gun won’t even be a normal slayer weapon

[sterile sage]

It was the normal weapon in the classic doom.

[sleek ermine]

In The Dark Ages it will be a titan slaying weapon

[sterile sage]

. . .

[sleek ermine]

What

[plain iron]

Yes we will probably won't have the chain gun in regular gameplay

[sleek ermine]

More like in Atlan gameplay

Stupid autocorrect

[plain iron]

While in classic doom it was a regular gun, TDA isn't a 1:1 copy of classic doom, and it has its own features and styles.

[sleek ermine]

Because TDA is after classic doom but before DOOM 2016

[plain iron]

Given its entire vibe, quickswapping might not even be a big part of the combat loop, which is good imo

[plain iron]

Exactly :3

And we must remember, the footage we've seen could be months old, from a older build

[sterile sage]

When I play with Atlan, I think the only weapon is the chain gun.

[sleek ermine]

Punch

[sterile sage]

Pls

[plain iron]

There's probably a alt melee option.

I wanna see more maykr types.

Because clearly there's new types

[sleek ermine]

[plain iron]

Yes, the chonkyr and the one in front of him [I actually think that's Samur but eh]

[sleek ermine]

[sleek ermine]

Cute

[plain iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1354340363539841164/d990baf9-3f28-4bdd-8ce0-bc67320ddaf9.png?ex=67e4ef41&is=67e39dc1&hm=754fdc43cf4ad906987e29f6339e233b6e3241cf78f3cefaa0411e853ddcc214&

Like who is this.

[sleek ermine]

Armored Makyr

[plain iron]

Yknow who he kinda looks like

[sleek ermine]

Samur…

[plain iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1354340499217186937/9a4eb7ab-aa81-4fd1-9a2a-cb6470293fbd.png?ex=67e4ef61&is=67e39de1&hm=5756f9d904a64e5748c9446f8e57a336c3260171c87d240a2abcc1f5ff747cf8&

LIKE ITS SAMUR

[sleek ermine]

Samur but in a time of war

[plain iron]

Yea there's some bits that are a bit off, but we don't know what samur looked like at that time

[plain iron]

Samur getting punished.

[sleek ermine]

We do know that Samur did the divinity machine on the Slayer sometime before the Unholy Crusades

Or maybe at the beginning of the Unholy Crusades

Idk 🤷‍♀️

[plain iron]

He served as the khan maykr's advisor iirc, but then he blessed the slayer during the seige of Taras nabad, and he was banished, so I presume that's what that scene is

[sleek ermine]

Wait… actually nvm

I thought that maybe the chonkyr is that time’s Khan Maykr but the one in eternal is the one in that time

[sterile sage]

What is the rank of ahzrak in hell?

[plain iron]

Nawh, the khan maykr has been the only khan known to the sentinels, there's a masculine one in urdak, but that's like. His corpse.

[sleek ermine]

Creepy

But why is the in TDA

[plain iron]

I think he's a judge.

[sleek ermine]

Khan Chonkyr

We know it’s a Khan (maybe?)

[plain iron]

He has a ordator ring, which is odd, and we don't see them in higher levels of maykr [seraphs/khans] so I presume it's apart of the church/religious caste

[sleek ermine]

Because

[plain iron]

Nawh that was a joke by a member here 😭

[sleek ermine]

Oh

Khan Baykr

[plain iron]

Like the deacons

Who have a very similar ring

[sleek ermine]

I got a dumb idea

What if, instead of the divinity machine, it was the
-# femininity machine

[plain iron]

The trans machine.

[sleek ermine]

Yes

[plain iron]

[sleek ermine]

[plain iron]

[sleek ermine]

[steel bridge]

Dark ages

[grizzled thicket]

Middele ages

[plain iron]

End ages

[grizzled thicket]

New ages

[sleek ermine]

Down Ages

[storm shadow]

Hope they show a new demon teaser today, or at the very least new Hugo commentary.

[plain iron]

Mhm, same

[sleek ermine]

Up Ages

[grizzled thicket]

The Good ages

[crimson birch]

what's happening here

[fleet spruce]

the period of time during which occurred technological regression, drought and famine

[autumn dawn]

his head shape is oddly dented

[sterile sage]

Is the story between the ending of 2016 and the opening of ETERNAL yet to be revealed?

[nocturne marsh]

Will they add doom the dark ages too the switch 2?

[sleek ermine]

probably not

[fleet spruce]

Maybe, definitely not on original switch tho. Right now we can only wait and see.

If rumors regarding the power of switch 2 are real then 720p 30 fps experience is to be expected

[hard thistle]

Eternal essentially says there can only be one living Khan at a time, and that they're sort of technically all the same person.

The Khan Maykr, as a role, normally exists for 10,000 years - then they die naturally, their mind is uploaded into the Maykr Singularity, and a new Khan is built/born/whatever in their place.

The Khan we see in Eternal is the only one the Argenta ever saw. She's a special case - she's been alive far, far longer than a Khan is supposed to be on account of her indulgence in Argent Energy, and the lack of a proper life/death cycle thanks to the Father leaving Urdak.

The supposed last Khan's corpse in Urdak is something I don't really like to think about. Hugo said it was a Khan, but I don't think this is supported by the game itself. I think this was a dumb answer of his and it doesn't align with normal Maykr lore.

I would sooner believe it's an Angel or something that got way too far into Transfiguration before they could delay it with Argent Energy, so it's a monster they have incapacitated.

[vagrant path]

Hell yeah fuck the switch lmao

[vagrant path]

I've taken it as a rule of thumb to never fully trust anything Hugo Martin says lorewise about doom, he's a director not a writer.

[hard thistle]

Yeah. Though even regardless of his role, if he were the sole person responsible for Doom's story writing I still would not take everything he says as absolute fact.

The reality is that sometimes you forget shit and you have to pull something out of your ass. Hugo has been asked lots of impromptu questions and he gives answers that are sometimes reliable and sometimes they're clearly just pulled out for the answer, and you can't blame him since it's not like he can go consult with all the Codex entries and get back to you.

Like "the Whiplash is the first female demon," a claim he said that is objectively and verifiably incorrect.

[vagrant path]

What IS the first female demon?

the mother demon?

[hard thistle]

The Spiderdemon of Doom 1993 is the first demon to be explicitly referred to with female words. The Doom II manual jokes: "Hi, mom."

The Spiderdemon, Mother Demon, Doom 3's Vagary, and Doom 2016's Spider Mastermind are all female demons that joined the series before the Whiplash did.

[vagrant path]

what even was the vagary, like honestly how does that along with other doom 3 stuff fit with the story of hell?

been curious about that for a while, since if it's true that hell is the same hell across the franchise.

that means the doom 3 incarnation is still canon.

[hard thistle]

Vagaries are a spider monster, basically, with psychic powers. There's multiple of them. I can verify they're female because they're pregnant - you can see the embryo/fetus/whatever of a Mancubus in the Vagary's body as you fight it in Doom 3.

This is not really a commentary on humans and biological sex. I wouldn't really take the presence of pregnancy to be a confirmation of the female gender with humans - trans people rock. But we have no indication of this identity as existing in Hell's culture, or if Vagaries are even sapient and would be able to quantify this.

So I'm just going by the logic you'd use with animals.

[plain iron]

I'd say asking him questions that are important to the lore, and those answers, aren't the best to rely on, however if the question was something about a [lorewise] insignificant character like the intern, I'd say to agree with him, unless it already clashes

[hard thistle]

Along with the other stuff, Doom 3 happens, timeline-wise, during that huge eons-long stretch between the classic Doom games and the modern Doom games. You have to understand, from Hell's perspective, this is just a blip on an incredibly long span of time. When we see a Vagary after seeing the Spiderdemon, it's like if an alien visited Earth back in prehistoric days and saw a T Rex, then visited 2025 and saw chickens.

[vagrant path]

Right right, forgot that hell time in doom doesn't work the same as earth, time dilation or something along those lines.

[hard thistle]

Hell is gigantic, it has a very diverse plethora of species, many with a diverse plethora of subspecies to them. So Doom 3's weirder demons or weird redesigns of demons can be explained as different genuses of existing demon species, or mutations.

[hard thistle]

Also it's different Earths anyway.

OG Doom's Earth isn't Doom 3's Earth, and neither of them are Doom 2016/Eternal's Earth. So a relative Earth time isn't relevant to Hell anyway in the wider scope of things.

[plain iron]

Also mono, how do you think maykrs change their form? If I read it correctly, drones are essentially infants/children that then mature into a other maykr like the deacons or any other types, would they shed their outer shell? [Like a bug]

[vagrant path]

Makyr biology is so strange to me, like are they machines? cyborgs? a mix between?

cause I mean under her armour the khan is fleshy and seemingly organic.

[hard thistle]

It is implied through various texts that Maykrs are in their natural form completely mechanical, but have grown organic parts because of the Transfiguration.

Hugo's comments on the Transfiguration frame it as a mutation of flesh. The Maykrs' divine robotic parts become flesh. Imagine if your computer's keyboard keys turned into fingernails, and the motherboard suddenly had veins replace the wires. It has skin instead of plastic, a thin membrane instead of a screen.

[plain iron]

Lowkey that would look hella cool

[hard thistle]

This is why it terrifies the Maykrs. Ever since the Father left they can't voluntarily die and be reborn - their bodies degrade into flesh, and flesh brains can't handle the immense intelligence and memories of a Maykr, so it inevitably drives them insane. They lose their minds and become monsters.

[plain iron]

Poor babies :[

They're just like us, scared of death

[vagrant path]

I wonder, how do they like, reproduce?

[hard thistle]

The idea here is that the Khan has already partially succumbed to the Transfiguration, and the Argent Energy has only delayed the inevitable rather than reversed it. So she hides the flesh with armor and metal.

[vagrant path]

do they reproduce, or are they manufactured somehow?

[hard thistle]

I don't really think they do. They manufacture each other. The natural life/death cycle of a Maykr is that they're basically printed out of the Maykr Singularity, then the Transfiguration allows them to voluntarily die, let themselves be uploaded back into the Singularity, and be reborn as another Maykr.

But the Father is required for this process. He left, so they can't die. It's just degrading and being stuck in a dying, mutating body.

[plain iron]

I like to think it's during transfigured period tbh, but that's my headcanon

[vagrant path]

also where does all this info come from aside from codexes ingame?

I've read deep into them and never found stuff like this

[plain iron]

A lot of it comes from external sources like the art/lore book

[silent surge]

flesh… and metal

[plain iron]

It's the opposite to adeptus mechanicus

[vagrant path]

Shit... where do I find this thing?

[plain iron]

Things, and the artbook you can buy from the bethesda store, the lorebook came w the collectors edition of eternal

[silent surge]

@hard thistle you ready for an entirely new DOOM game to delve into the lore?? hopefully get some questions answered

[fleet spruce]

Urdak is very Giger unsurprisingly, especially even more prominent in concept art

[plain iron]

I wanna see more maykr types.

[silent surge]

it’s ALIVE in concept art!!

[vagrant path]

can I still get the lorebook nowadays?

[hard thistle]

Codexes, the art book, the lorebook, occasionally dev comments from Hugo. You can find transcripts and scans of the books I mentioned online.

[hard thistle]

I'm definitely excited, especially since it's focusing on one of my favorite parts of the universe, being the Sentinels. I'm hoping they go all in on Sentinel culture and really immerse us in what life is like on Argent D'Nur.

I have a few concerns about the timeframe and I'm worried they'll retcon said things Eternal told us about the Argenta in the Codex. But I'll just have to wait for the game to see if they fuck that part up or not.

[hard thistle]

You might be interested in the lore FAQ and lore guide I wrote and pinned in #general. The guide is very long but has a compendium of shit like this - it was meant to be a resource you could refer to for conversations like this.

[silent surge]

Taras Nabad is my favorite eternal level, Meathook my favorite track

from screenshots we’ve seen. there’s TOTALLY a part that looks like the first marauder bridge intro section of TN

[silent surge]

time will tell, with the gap of time i’m curious what they’ll do since we know the ending will not be ||ending up in the coffin in 2016|| … wonder where the DLC will go?

[vagrant path]

Hell yeah, I'll have a look st that when I can.

[plain iron]

I've always preferred the maykrs, what makes the sentinels so interesting for you?

[hard thistle]

I believe they said on the whiteboard that huge siege level is Taras Nabad. I'm convinced the game will start right when you become the Slayer, and then you'll get sidetracked for a level or two before showing up at Taras Nabad to fuck up the Dreadnought.

[silent surge]

can’t believe it’s less than 2 months away

[hard thistle]

If I were in their position I'd likely have the game end with the discovery of Nekravol. You save the day and kick the villain's ass, only to learn in a cliffhanger ending that the Maykrs are in league with Hell and building a huge soul factory with Sentinel slaves. Civil war incoming - cliffhanger.
If they don't retcon the implied timespan of the Unholy Wars they can do this with some timeskips.
Then, the DLC could cover the Argenta Civil War - have you fighting Loyalist Sentinels, reintroduce Marauders as enemies, have it end off with the Betrayal as the Slayer is stranded in Hell.

[silent surge]

dang you have this ready

[hard thistle]

Then it would lead into the Testaments. You'd be leading directly into the timespan the Testaments describe - the Slayer's eons-long rampage through Hell, before he is incapacitated.

[silent surge]

the doom 64 ending

[hard thistle]

I like the idea of a medieval society that isn't actually medieval - they just really like the aesthetic, in reality they are super advanced, have colonized entire galaxies, and are worshipping a race of machines masquerading as angels.

I just really like this idea where everything seems medieval but in reality you're fighting for a race of super advanced sci-fi proto humans. I think that element of the Sentinels is really unique, how the tech has gotten so advanced but societally they value fighting ability and strength above most other things. They're strong and brave and proud, really admirable people - but they're also colonists, there's probably a lot of blood that was shed under the Sentinel flag, and a lot of the fall of Argent D'Nur was because of their own hubris and willing blindness to the Maykrs' crimes.

[silent surge]

that’s one thing about urdak. it’s not a Biblical Heaven, it’s … fake, almost. they try and act all celestial, but… they’re just as evil as the demons

and i wouldn’t say it’s trying to say “Biblical angels are actually bad, here’s this parallel”, but that they are not what they seem. in reference to the Bible, which DOOM has pulled from since 1993, maybe they’re akin to the serpent in the garden. true Satan. though DOOM games never come out and say that.
Power and greed corrupts. we learned that with the undertones of the UAC in doom 2016!

orrrrr i could be off base as im not a lore pro

i think it can check out mostly though

[plain iron]

I see, i do agree with you that they are fucking cool, I think for me at least, the maykrs are aligned with the only thing close to religion I believe in, the whole divine machine, they've quite literally hooked me, and I am just as much a fool as the sentinels who believed in the maykrs

I also like to compare the maykrs to what AM is, isn't it interesting that the maykrs are angelic machines, while AM described flesh as divine? I love that sorta shit

[hard thistle]

No, you're pretty on the money with this. My interpretation here is that "real" heaven does not exist - contemporary religious depictions of heaven are the result of a telephone game spanning thousands of years as Argenta colonized Earth and eventually became humans. Unfortunately, the source behind our beautiful interpretations of Heaven is just the wasteland of a bunch of narcissistic, evil machines who think they should be worshipped.

[silent surge]

i’m coming from the angle of, Id has influenced the Bible or pulled from since the 90s, but put their own spin on world building, and they won’t directly come out and say God, Satan, in that way, as to not alienate. though when i interviewed hugo he definitely had some thoughts and ideas behind Davoth

it’s like they pull from, but make their own worlds

[hard thistle]

To me this ties into the Samuel/Seraphim reveal and it's why I like it. It really cements the tie between the Maykrs and the UAC. The UAC is fucking evil. They're against genuine human expression or rest, they thrive on an industrial complex that relies on overworking people and morally unethical experiments. And even before Olivia, they operated like a cult. Hayden's presence demanded worship.

Modern Doom essentially posits the idea that the UAC's bureacracy and capitalism isn't just evil - it's a primordial evil, an inherent evil, one that has existed since the beginning of reality. It didn't start with humans, it started with the Maykrs. Like the UAC they're a bunch of morally bankrupt narcissists thriving on exploitation, borderline slave labor, and worship.

[silent surge]

tower of babel e2m8, every level name in E4 of ultimate doom is from a verse

[plain iron]

I do wonder if id software took any inspiration from the short story/radio drama/game when it came to the maykrs, VEGA in particular. The level in 2016 "I AM VEGA" makes me wanna think they at least looked at AM when they were making VEGA's character

[silent surge]

how do we reconcile that samuel goes from a human, into a robot to delay/fight his cancer, into finding out he’s a whole otherworldly being?
that the human picture of sam we see in ARC on the wall in 2016, that he just inhabited a human body?

[hard thistle]

Give me a minute, I had it summarized in the document.

[silent surge]

i think they don’t want to specifically reference real world things, like they won’t 1:1 recreate the Bible’s Hell but make their own - which looks different across the games

[hard thistle]

Ah, right, here we go. On Samuel Hayden being the Seraphim, and how it works:

Samur Maykr was trusted to take care of the Father’s Life Sphere after the battle between him and Davoth. A long time later, Samur would bring Doomguy to the Divinity Machine, turning him into the Slayer; he then fled to the Luminarium, where he kept the Father’s Life Sphere, and stole it away to Ingmore’s Sanctum. He then brought the Father’s consciousness to Earth.
**On Earth, Samur disguised himself as a cloned human being named Samuel Hayden, **and eventually established the Father’s consciousness as VEGA, an AI that had no memory of its real identity. He then would go through the lore info detailed in Doom 2016.
It is unclear if Samuel Hayden retained his memory of Samur in this form; theories have been made.

Basically, yes, he inhabited a cloned human's body. It's unclear if he lived a whole life as Samuel from birth, or if he started out as an adult, but I'd reckon the former.

[silent surge]

aha!
we know they had ideas of the maykrs in 2016, especially in the DLC, through empyrian and argent breach’s maykr statues

it really is about just taking something and they’ve made their own world from it

[plain iron]

I presume, like what you said in the document, that he unlocked the memories the more "maykr-esque" he got [the upload to the fortress] but unlike vega he stayed quiet

[hard thistle]

I personally don't even think Hayden remembers being the Seraphim in 2016, but that is just me.

[sleek ermine]

I am not the villain in this story

[silent surge]

i do think that, even if they just take from, and make it their own world… Nekravol in Eternal, go there, turn off the music, look at the walls, and just listen to the ambient wails

2016 Kadingir sanctum wasn’t that brutal.

wasteland vs torture chamber

[hard thistle]

Yeah, this, but it's just a theory. My interpretation is that Hayden remembered nothing of his former self as a human; when he uploaded his mind into the robot body, he "unlocked" much of the instincts and recollections, but just saw them as new knowledge; and then finally began to suspect his true identity once he was uploaded into the Fortress, finally accepting it by the time TAG1 starts.
It's a progression where he goes from human -> robot similar to Maykr -> architecture outright made by Maykrs. As his mind is given more space to grow, he can remember more.

[plain iron]

I assume that Samuel's body did still have parts of the human Hayden's brain, so he couldn't fully understand or unlock those memories.

[sleek ermine]

doesn’t the Khan Maykr have no idea that Nekravol even exists

[plain iron]

She ordered it dawg 😭

[sleek ermine]

oh

[silent surge]

olivia did something similar - made that suit to fight against the painful idiopathic scoliosis, yeah?
and over time we see her become weaker and weaker, as she continues to deal with the demons.

by the end, she’s frail

they promised her so much. and of course, lied.

[hard thistle]

Yeah. I see it as a compromise. Early Doom basically said "yeah this is the actual, real, Christian Hell, motherfucker." That is really cool for back then, but when you're writing a modern sci-fi horror story you may want to go for something that gives you more creative freedom. Hence the Jekkad lore, Davoth, the Maykrs - you make up your own lore for it and then justify it as "well this is the original stuff. The Bible is just us recontextualizing what already existed in-universe."

[silent surge]

early DOOM does have a story, it’s just not as forefront as modern. but it’s 20 something years different

[silent surge]

all goes back to influence, but make their own worlds, it seems

[hard thistle]

Yeah, Olivia needed the exoskeleton(?) to remain mobile. It's causing her excruciating pain basically every second, but she refuses medicine as she thinks it will cloud her mind.
This was how the Aranea Imperatrix lured her into their plan, by exploiting this and promising her a new form without pain.

[silent surge]

that’s it yeah!

[hard thistle]

Yeah definitely. They just didn't have the tech to really tell a more advanced story without it coming at the expense of gameplay. So a lot of modern Doom's thing in regards to the older stuff is recontextualizing it under the umbrella of a brand that can now afford to tell more in-depth stories.

Hence, the classic games basically being prehistoric shit from Hell's POV.

[silent surge]

i really think that, and i know i’ve mentioned it earlier. there’s more pull and influence.

a world with no pain, suffering… sounds familiar

but of course. demons are evil, and aren’t going to do the right thing to her.

[plain iron]

Yknow I too would make a deal w demons to be rid of this agony it's balls

[sleek ermine]

S p i d e r M a s t e r m i n d

[hard thistle]

Well, if you look at it a certain way, the demons did not lie. She was promised a new form, and she was given it. It's just a Monkey's Paw thing - she didn't imagine it'd be a horrific vessel for a Dark Lord.

[sleek ermine]

My mind’s in a weird place so I may say the most random things (still DOOM tho :3)

[silent surge]

everyone pulls out the carmack story line but it’s there - also influenced from culture. the punch your commanding officer is from a movie. Total Recall i think. DOOM’s name is from a movie, the color of money

modern doom references movies. evil dead trilogy etc

the love of the pop culture has stayed

[hard thistle]

Much like the Khan. The Maykrs promised the Argenta if they worshipped them, they'd have eternal life within Urdak after death. They weren't lying, they just didn't mention it'd be as soul juice flowing through the Maykrs' veins.

[silent surge]

ooooh shoot

yet still at its core. it benefitted them. she was under the pretense of it saving her, but she was not careful what she wished for

[silent surge]

i didn’t realize this olivia theme came back

[plain iron]

I do actually agree with Olivia and not taking medication, the type of meds she'd be put on would legitimately cause her head to become foggy

[hard thistle]

Yeah. The original games were fueled by nerd love and culture - Evil Dead, Aliens. What I like about the modern games is that this love for nerd culture isn't gone, it's just newer. Now it's for shit like Warhammer, Pacific Rim. Things like that.

[silent surge]

it’s all there still! hugo even worked on pacific rim

[sleek ermine]

my head is already foggy

[hard thistle]

This is one of the many reasons I prefer Eternal over 2016 - the nerd influence and unflinching identity of Doom is more present in Eternal, whereas lots of 2016 feels a bit by-the-books to appease a company that didn't have faith in it.

[silent surge]

this is a cool video from hugo drawing for it https://youtu.be/eIGsB0zXzGc?si=38yiNI_65Ym4j8yd

11 years old

[silent surge]

once the reboot showed success they opened up more

[hard thistle]

Yeah. Could move on from rehashing Doom 3 and trying something new.

[plain iron]

I've been on morphine and ketamine before, both intense pain medications [only dispensed at the hospital for legal reasons] but whew I couldn't really even stand up with out getting dizzy, I don't blame her for not taking meds.

[silent surge]

she just didn’t want it to get in the way of her plans maybe

it’s more than just “hey it’ll make me foggy”

she wanted that power

meds would prevent that

[hard thistle]

Olivia is a tragic figure IMO and I don't blame her for a lot of the earlier stuff in her backstory. Hell thrives on exploiting vulnerable people in pain. They did the same thing to Valen.

[sleek ermine]

After I had surgery, I needed to keep my foot suspended in the air. When I did not, I got so dizzy and felt I needed to vomit, so I had to lay down

[hard thistle]

But she's not blameless. In that regard she shares similarities with Betruger, who embraced that shit because he was just a psycho to begin with.

[plain iron]

I mean it's hard to get that power when the hospital nurses wouldn't let her walk more than a few meters away from a bed 😭

that's so real Olivia

[plain iron]

Hrr a lot of my memories playing doom 3 as a kid is failing me God dammit I do remember Betruger being a ass tho

It was almost 8 years ago now jesus

[hard thistle]

He was a total freak, yeah. He's not like Olivia. There's mentions of him acting different once Hell contacted him, but most of the game points to Betruger just naturally being an evil shithead. In 2016 they act like Olivia's being used, but in Doom 3 Betruger seems to be genuinely respected by Hell.

Like he's not just helping them. He's been given command over Hell's forces. He's acting like he's one of them, he's been given authority over them - I think him fusing with the Maledict was probably something he wanted and embraced, rather than a horrific fate like it was for Olivia.

[plain iron]

Poor girl. I need to draw her more. She needs to enjoy life in a wheelchair because she needs to sit the fuck down.

[sleek ermine]

OLIVIA! STOP STANDING UP, YOUR BACK WILL BREAK

[plain iron]

Olivia was more manipulated than what Betruger was imo, while she did fuck up, she was motivated by something I can sympathise with, Betruger was just a power hungry ass it seems

[plain iron]

Her back's already fucked it can't get worse

-# it got worse

[hard thistle]

Yeah. The Imperatrix exploited a vulnerability of Olivia's to convince her she could escape her chronic pain. Betruger didn't have anything like this. He just wanted power.

[sleek ermine]

Olivia… your legs will stop existing if you dont take a seat

[plain iron]

How aware was Olivia when it came to the maykrs? Was she aware of their presence, or was she purely fixated on hell?

[plain iron]

She's British she isn't gonna sit down

[hard thistle]

We have no clue, partially because the Maykrs weren't a part of the story when they were writing 2016. But Olivia seemed convinced that she could ascend through Hell alone - she was worshipping the Imperatrix as a God and believed Hell could ease her pain. I doubt she knew the Maykrs existed beyond a vague idea based on Deag Ranak's correspondence.

[sleek ermine]

well she should atleast get a cup of tea

[plain iron]

Hm. See, this is why I don't think Olivia should be hated on as much as she is, i can speak from experience. Drawing her has a single response and it's something to do w the Imperatrix getting her face blown off. For some reason. But she isn't as hated as the khan maykr or Samuel, and I find it interesting

[silent surge]

i wanna see us take down Nilox’s guardian and get that token. he’s so surprised in Eternal

[earnest swift]

The Khan is hated? That’s a first for me.

[plain iron]

I'm inclined to assume she is hated due to the fact, unlike the khan maykr, she isn't particularly "attractive" in any normal way and yes ik the khan maykr isn't but she's significantly more aligned w female beauty standards than Olivia.

But this might be me being biased

[hard thistle]

Well, Olivia isn't completely blameless. She exhibits a lot of the disregard for human life Samuel has. She did really awful shit at Hell's behest, and I think a good amount of it was fueled by selfishness. I think she was desperate for the pain to end and she was willing to hurt other people to achieve it.
In the Argent D'Nur codex entry, she ends up taunting and deriding her followers in service of Hell by the end.

You will be destroyed by the demons, while I will be made a god. My immortality is assured, while you will writhe in perpetual agony at the bottom of the darkest hole in Hell. You will be forgotten. Your life, your loved ones, your achievements and failures are nothing. A blank space on the canvas of time.
Thank you for your service. May you rot in Hell.

[plain iron]

It is interesting, I'd really like something detailing her before the entire thing we see in 2016, if she was always kind of a bitch, or if Samuel sponsoring her had something to do w it

There's also a very real chance Olivia never knew Samuel as a human

[hard thistle]

I imagine Samuel's presence was part of it. Having that man mentoring you is bound to entail losing a bit of your humanity, I think.

[plain iron]

... is it bad I wouldn't mind being taught by him? I think he is valuable in that sense. Someone should humble his ass by making him a Australian high school teacher.

[hard thistle]

Oh I'm sure he's very intelligent. Could probably teach fine. But if he's helping you climb the corporate ladder, well... you'll probably get the corporate equivalent of a cult leader having you sacrifice someone as initiation.

[plain iron]

Hell fuckin yeah ima sign up gotta get money somehow.

He'd genuinely fucking hate me 💀 I don't understand most things and he looks like the kind of guy to yell at you if you don't understand

Tbf tho I don't think he likes anyone but Olivia, vega and sorta the slayer

[hard thistle]

Nobody he likes more than himself, anyway.

[plain iron]

I mean can you blame him? He's kinda allowed to be arrogant after everything he's accomplished compared to a regular human

[slow zodiac]

I wonder if they'll make a game with a female protagonist next, that would be a nice change of pace, and Hugo himself seemed to be interested in the idea.
I think a some kind of doom spin-off about Crash from Quake 3 would be great

[hard thistle]

I'd be down for this. I don't really think Doomguy, as an archetype, has to specifically be a man.

[slender night]

Would be happy to see a female main character in DOOM for a piece of media that doesn't actually suck

[slow zodiac]

lol same

[heady trout]

Intern better anyways

[graceful tulip]

Bruh I totally thought may was next month

[visual lintel]

i want it to be this month

all i want is for the game to release already 😭

[slender night]

Next month is April

[winter idol]

oh concept art post

[heady trout]

I don't even know what type of gun this is but I'm glad they did their darndest to make this the most "hell yeah" shit possible

[slender night]

I want another serious DOOM game in the future but that might just be me

[winter idol]

it can be serious but also have crazy shit in it

[slender night]

I mean a more grounded, gritty one

I'm fine with the series being silly but I'd like another DOOM 3 style game in the future. Maybe under another label, just one made by id

[fleet spruce]

H3 ODST style game set during invasion of earth?

[slender night]

Not sure what H3 ODST is like so I can't speak of it

[fleet spruce]

basically a halo spin off where you play as a normal human instead of super soldier (like Master Chief)

[heady trout]

Knowing the Earth and Hell war from Eternal

That boutta be a horror game

[slender night]

I think we were gonna get that with DOOM 4 1.0. The footage we got from it looked like RAGE, would've been dope to play

[frigid saffron]

Idk if I should get the premium or the standard one DOOM: The dark ages. Are they both worth it per chance and what's the difference?

[summer obsidian]

With premium u will get early access to the game starting on may 13th (2 days early) and u will also get some in game skins as well as the dlc(s) when it releases for no additional cost

I got collectors so I will get those benefits

So a good break down is out of the 100 u spend is 60 on game, 20 on dlc, and 20 on early access, artbook, soundtrack, and skins. If that sounds worth it go for it

Ya premium is just worth the money

What one did u get?

I managed to snag an Xbox edition

Nice

I knew my pc would be able to run the game but not well so I opted for the monolith of a graphics card that’s the series X

The game was built for Xbox first so that’s were I think it will have best preformance

U shouldn’t, with a good enough graphics card I’m just saying the game was made around Xbox first

So it should be able to have its peak performance on Xbox

Or max graphics whatever u wanna call it

[storm shadow]

Interesting how instead of mods, they’re called classes with different gun variations.

[winter idol]

i think its cause we can swap guns between levels or something

[proud vine]

like dmc?

[winter idol]

never played dmc, but i think there will be a loadout system and instead of gun mods, you can swap out the weapons in each class

[proud vine]

that sounds annoying ngl

[harsh egret]

pretty sure its not like that no

no doom game has ever had that

[polar forum]

I can't wait for this game

[prime sentinel]

no doom game had weapon mods before 2016

[wooden acorn]

Day 62 of 112

50 days remain

[harsh egret]

like i could see a way for them to do it but it sounds very limiting in a sense

im sure they will have some good system for that if that is the case tho

[prime sentinel]

I think simplicity is one of the goals of tda

They want to streamline the game

in 5 days we will know much much more

[rough heart]

Yoo

[wheat cliff]

i can't wait for the Skibidi class for the shotgun, or the rizzy class for the chaingun

[waxen valley]

Sigma class for the bfg lol

[wheat cliff]

exactly

[waxen valley]

Gigachad class for melee only

[earnest swift]

You expect more information on April Fools?

[summer obsidian]

What

[hard thistle]

The 31st is in 5 days

[silent surge]

i’m cleared to post on Monday

that’s the day everyone’s been saying on reddit and stuff, when we will get new vids

[earnest swift]

Sorry that I live in Australia, a timezone that the industry never gives a fuck about.

[earnest swift]

Previews dropping that day?

[silent surge]

ive always wanted to visit there

you very much live in the future!

[silent surge]

yea mine goes up then

whoa that’s like 1am thursday for you. or so.

[plain iron]

Come visit, it's nice, just don't be stupid and touch wild animals and if Ur American, don't tip. It's seen as rude/flirty here

[autumn dawn]

do you think TDA will have master levels?

[summer obsidian]

I’m way to scared of spiders

[delicate grotto]

Probably not. Sounds like this will be the biggest Doom game yet, so I’m sure there will be plenty of side content to make up for it.
The sliders also offer a ton of creative freedom and challenge.

A shame Doom Eternal wasn’t able to fully realize that idea. The ones that released were awesome though.

[autumn dawn]

i think the increase in difficulty is to do with the enemy placement

like the classic doom

[patent robin]

anyone else wonder if the doom hunterswill return in their original non robotic forms in tda

[autumn dawn]

yep, they were seen in the trailer as Agaddon Hunters

[patent robin]

which trailer? i must be slow asf 😭

[autumn dawn]

the first one

[patent robin]

i gotta go rewatch it now

[autumn dawn]

look in #screenshots

[neon perch]

Sometimes I wonder what the full extent of Doom 2016's damage is, and then I see dickless wonders saying shit like 'I hope TDA isn't even mildly challenging' or 'I hope it doesn't have any colors that aren't orange or brown'.

[autumn dawn]

the challenge lies in the sliders

[patent robin]

im lowkey worried about tda's performance bc my pc doesnt even meet the minimum specs

[neon perch]

It's like all their hopes and dreams took stock in a videogame. That's so fucking depressing.

[waxen valley]

doom the chad ages

[prime sentinel]

Well on the bright side we know there’s purple

[rapid remnant]

will dark ages be avaible on ps4?

[plucky plinth]

No. It will only be on current-gen consoles.

[rapid remnant]

pc minimum rec?

[plucky plinth]

On the Steam page

[rapid remnant]

arl ty

[fleet spruce]

yeah, also note that specs are for 1080p 60 fps experience

if you have weaker but compatible hardware you will still be able to run it, just with worse performance and visuals

[proud vine]

Wasn't there supposed to be alot more master levels than what we have now?

[vestal dagger]

Some kind of ng+ master campaign could be cool

[spare panther]

ng+ with all master levels would be a good and fun way to do the usual difficulty increase nd+ has in other games i think

[simple mist]

This happens with all great game sequels

Y game is bad becuase it's not X

We had the same thing happen with doom eternal: some hated it because it wasnt 2016.

[fleet spruce]

childern yearn for Doom 4 1.0

[grim cloud]

New PC Gamer has been published

Doom on the cover - awaiting scans

there should be some new info

[plain iron]

Hrr that's so good

I hope we get the chonkyr's name

[delicate grotto]

Yeah. There’s a lot of scrapped content in the files for planned MLs. One for DH Base iirc. They were never completed.

Scope and expectations also grew after SGN ML. If they were developed similarly to Cultist Base or ARC, we’d probably have gotten a lot more- but also less of a renewed experience.
I prefer what we got tbh.

[grim cloud]

covid fucked up a lot of eternals plans for the future

[winter idol]

Yea, you could tell in the dlcs, also with battlemode

[grim cloud]

and the ~~loss ~~cancellation of invasion mode

[winter idol]

I feel like that was a mix of covid and them just realizing it wasnt feasible with how the game was set up

[silent surge]

Taras Nabad was actually in development early on, but naturally it changed over time. I asked jason o’connell who was the lead level designer before he left. he also made sgn ML, world spear ML, i think

and he’s behind the 5 marauder easter egg

would be interesting to see what he would come up on dark ages if he was still at Id

[delicate grotto]

Ah I see, that’s interesting

For sure

[silent surge]

couple others left in that time frame too

chris cantero went to be an indie dev, he animated the marauder GKs, some shield saw preproduction etc

mark diaz was a programmer, worked on blood punch. he moved over to senior dev at insomniac, spider-man company

[grim cloud]

sounds like he would torture us further, such as adding the spirit to tda

[grizzled spoke]

Most people didn’t really like or care about pvp though

That was a safe cancel

[frail bloom]

Did anyone see the new mancubus clip

I've grown to like the design, it's very ogre-ish

[grim cloud]

they are also much larger than the eternal mancubus.

the 2016 manc was bigger too, but not like the tda one, it probably eats other smaller mancubi

pc gamer scans out in the wild,

some good new nuggets, a concept art of the armored hell knight

rockelt launcher

[spare panther]

where can i find them?

[wooden acorn]

Usually the Doom twitter/bluesky or their website/slayers club I believe

Also day 63 of 112

[devout halo]

The W H A T

[silent surge]

i found it a few years ago

it’s nasty

spent a few hours between searching and getting hints from jason on twitter

[devout halo]

What level is it and where? I'm about to do an UltraNightmare run and I feel like that could be good practice

[silent surge]

world spear
can’t self promo but i have a video or 2 on it

[spare panther]

I mean the magazine scans

[devout halo]

I have a lot of experience in the game but I can't say I'm good at higher difficulties.
I used to be #1 on the leaderboard for horde mode on I'm Too Young To Die (OSHA compliant skeleton my beloved) but I don't think that helps with UN

[silent surge]

UN is a whole thing yea. trigger enemy knowledge helps

[devout halo]

I was just planning on getting better at quickswitching

[silent surge]

that’s one of the least important things overall

[devout halo]

Oh. I'm horrible at memorizing where enemies spawn. All I can remember is where there are Marauders

[devout halo]

Are there other secret encounter easter eggs besides Five Guys Pizza and the 2 Tyrants in SGN?

[frail bloom]

Bro I just read it, we get to blow up tanks with our rocket launcher!

The power fantasy is gonna be unreal

[silent surge]

not that i know of

[devout halo]

Ok. What 3 runes should I go for first? Air control, Seek and Destroy, and Equipment Fiend?

[wheat sigil]

air control first, then equipment fiend, and third savagery if you glory kill a lot, otherwise dazed and confused

[devout halo]

Cool

[wheat sigil]

i'd probably not recommend dazed and confused though

it's mainly useful in high level play

[devout halo]

Pretty sure high level play is required for UN

[wheat sigil]

depends on what you consider high level

i'm basing my definition on the skill ceiling, which makes it very hard to reach high level play

[devout halo]

I consider quick switching between more than 2 weapons to be high level

[wheat sigil]

quick swapping is not a valid indicator of skill

many people learn cool looking combos but forget movement, decison making etc

[grim cloud]

i stayed away from air control because it would create bad habits

but that was really only a issue for me because of played a shitload of battlemode

[wheat sigil]

currently playing without air control to learn grounded combat :D

[devout halo]

On another topic, does anyone have a video of all the weapon skins that's up to date?

[fluid vector]

so sad i cant get darkages cuz im saveing for a pc :(

[graceful lion]

good movement is a better indication of skill

[wheat sigil]

true

movement and positioning are often very strong indicators of overall skill level

and they are the 2 most important things xd

[cyan lotus]

crazy movement is fun

[plain iron]

I'm glad the movement is slowing down in TDA

[wheat sigil]

truth

i've recently gotten to give tips to loads of players - very fun - and there are definitely things that almost everyone needs to work on, and positioning is one of those things

[cyan lotus]

I’m almost disappointed that I’ve learned as much as I have, there’s only a finite amount of skips that exist out there, there’s always unrestricted stuff but that’s an entirely different ballpark

it’s why I’m ready for TDA, tons of things will be discovered

[wheat sigil]

yup

will be nice to be there from the start

with eternal i've constantly been playing a game of catch-up, which did go decently well, but being there from the start will be great

[waxen valley]

I really liked the fast pace of eternal tbh

[frail bloom]

Do we really know what they mean by slow paced tho

[late vine]

I'll probably be turning up the speed slider 🙂
But, player speed and game pacing are different things.
Doomguy moves faster than the slayer, but the original two games (I'm excluding wads) don't play as hectic as Eternal, to me.

[waxen valley]

My guess is that it would be slower paced than eternal

[plain iron]

The pacing of doom 3.

That's what I'd like it to be at

[late vine]

I think there's zero chance of that

[plain iron]

Ehh I wouldn't be surprised

[frail bloom]

We don't know if they meant slower base speed, or if it's more grounded, we aren't taking into account decision making

[plain iron]

I hope the decision making is slower, having a processing disorder and playing a fast game isn't fun

[frail bloom]

If by slower paced they mean, "explore the level how you want" that's not really a bad thing unless you like very narrow and linear objectives

[frail bloom]

Good thing the sliders are there

If it's like classic doom, you can control the pade of how you traverse I guess, but in the heat of battle, you probably would need to map things out and figure out how to approach enemy formations

[plain iron]

Good. Like warhammer 3

[frail bloom]

That's just my guess tho

[frail bloom]

Exactly, not braindead like some people think it's going to be

It's just gonna be different

Also BLOWING UP A TANK WITH A ROCKET LAUNCHER AS THE SLAYER IS COOL IDC WHAT ANYONE SAYS

[arctic pagoda]

You know there's gonna be maniacs out there with every setting at 100%

[plain iron]

It's just gonna be different, like every other doom game is

No doom game is ever the same bar doom 1 and 2

Even then doom 2 does feel different

[late vine]

I'm hoping that the gameplay doesn't force close-up killing too much. That kinda got tiring for me in 2016 and Eternal. I'd like to be able to mow down the bad guys from some distance

At least, have the choice

[frail bloom]

I mean they all had the chocie tho

In 2016, you can just siege mode everything

[wooden acorn]

Not as much jumping and shooting

[frail bloom]

Not really a problem tbh

[wooden acorn]

Will probably be more like uhhhhh

Idk

[frail bloom]

If it feels good, and requires thought like any other doom game, i don't see the problem

[late vine]

Siege mode? When I played them, you had to get up close to glory kill / chainsaw / flame for resources

[frail bloom]

I also don't see how much less we'd be shooting

[frail bloom]

Did you upgrade your runes?

They have some busted abilites iirc

[wooden acorn]

Probably not less shooting, just less movement/slower paced combat

[frail bloom]

Yeah like less verticality but there is more horizontal movement

[late vine]

Probably not 🙂

[frail bloom]

So it evens out

[frail bloom]

Wait really?

Or am I dum dum

[late vine]

I can't remember tbh. I played Eternal about half-way through and just stopped playing for some reason. It never drew me back in.

[wheat sigil]

i'd imagine the "true" speed of the game (i.e. inputs, decision making and stuff like that) will stay fast, but not on the level of eternal

[frail bloom]

I mean I'm fine with that

[wooden acorn]

I’m racking my brain trying to think of slow paced fps games but I can’t

[wheat sigil]

me too, for sure

[wooden acorn]

Only ones I can think of are the Metro series

[plain iron]

Fallout 4.

[wooden acorn]

True

[frail bloom]

Maybe some aren't fine with it, but eternal isn't going anywhere for a while

[wooden acorn]

Last fallout game I played was 3 on the 360 tho

[plain iron]

It's similar paced

[wooden acorn]

Series just didn’t have much attraction for me tbh

[wheat sigil]

i don't see why people wouldn't be fine with eternal staying :D

[frail bloom]

I meant that people are distraught at where the franchise is going without considering the fact thst they can play eternal whenever they want to

They also look surface level and may not read the magazines like we do, so they miss out on crucuial parts on how the game play flows in tda

For example

When the dev direct aired, some individuals were going around saying thst combat chess is dead because, "the enemies weren't moving" based on their orthogonal roles in what they've seen

[late vine]

F.E.A.R, Battlefield, S.T.A.L.K.E.R, Rainbow Six, Robocop: Rogue City... there's loads that are slow by my definition of slow

[wooden acorn]

Yea fair, but I don’t think it’ll be that slow paced lol

[late vine]

hopefully not 🙂

[wheat sigil]

yeah i don't get saying tda is bad before it's even released loll

i'm optimistic it will be just as deep as eternal - just played a bit slower

[rough heart]

Yo

[late vine]

I'm hoping it'll play like the classic Doom games

[frail bloom]

Ofc, it's okay to have concerns especially in this time period but some people are just doomers

[frail bloom]

Well your in luck

[plucky plinth]

the newest entries in the Rainbow Six franchise are considered fast paced. Battlefield can also technically be considered medium/fast pace.
Stuff like Ground Branch, SWAT 4, Ready or Not, and some others can be somewhat considered slow.

[grim cloud]

i wonder when the second trailer is coming, should be pretty soon

about 90 days before release is the norm i think

[plain iron]

Mhn, I'd expect some more info soon, given that some people have been given permission to post a preview iirc [this dude -> #the-dark-ages message ]

[plucky plinth]

Oh, didn't know that.

Might as well look forward to that when that comes around.

[grim cloud]

yah there is that, but we are also due for the next trailer

[zealous crag]

Hey mom

How many days left 😭

[wooden acorn]

Uhhhh

49?

[vapid lodge]

I really dont know what to feel at this point regarding the new details of TDA

I really don't want to see any gameplay until I play the game, but with the algorithm I will definitely see everything unintentionally

I am extremely hyped but I really want to see it first hand :/

[feral vault]

Iam on the same boat lol

Probably gonna watch it anyway

Gonna be hard to resist

[vapid lodge]

yeah well I hope I wont

but people will be posting a lot on social media and it will jump in my face no matter what

[frail bloom]

I mean they haven't posted anything that seems too spoiler-ish

[vapid lodge]

they will after this event

Allstin will post on Monday

[frail bloom]

It depends on what they can share

You can ignore ofc but this is for the people who are a bit on edge on how the game will feel like playing

[vapid lodge]

I even saw the main menu on reddit and I was like ... fuck man... I wanted to see that first hand

[frail bloom]

I can't tell what's there tho

[vapid lodge]

yeah its more about the experience

[frail bloom]

It's like the doomslayer on a pedestal with a coliseum inthe backround

I have no idea if it's an image or it just looks that good ingame

[wooden acorn]

Could mute the doom account and related words maybe

[vapid lodge]

but I got really sad when I saw Marauder's AI in action 1 month before the game was out

Because I was extremely surprised and amazed by it

[vapid lodge]

yeah or just close everything

[wooden acorn]

Lmao true

[frail bloom]

I mean they spoiled everything in the doom eternal trailers beforehand

[wooden acorn]

Same with 2016 kinda

[frail bloom]

Icon of sin, khan mayker, marauder, tyrant, crucible

[vapid lodge]

With Eternal I did try to avoid a little

2016 was new so I wouldnt know what to expect

[frail bloom]

Yeah hopefully they're more reserved about the info going forward

They're doing a good job so far

[vapid lodge]

So far they arent

hmm

they keep giving us maps and details about concepts

[frail bloom]

I mean the game seems really large, we haven't seen like any bosses or how large the roster is, how the cutscenes play out, how many missions there are

In eternal, you knew every boss jsut by the concept art lol

[vapid lodge]

You're right but I was hoping they will leave it like it is now

problem is that lots of people joined that Event

[frail bloom]

It's up to you, I'd turn off notifications and maybe not check the dark ages tab after march 30th lol

[vapid lodge]

How do I do that for every existing social media app?

[frail bloom]

How much social media apps do you use? I only use discord and youtube

[vapid lodge]

yes

[frail bloom]

Sorry was that a dum dum question

[vapid lodge]

nah, its ok

at the end of the day its still a game and we will know everything until the end of the spring

[frail bloom]

Oh alr

[frail bloom]

Yep, it's up to us to not spoil ourselves tho, so prepare thyself

[vapid lodge]

problem is I am also working on TDA cosplay and I need every detail possible

it will be done before the game is out tho

"done" as in as much as I can see from the trailers and other people providing renders

[frail bloom]

I'd just ask content creators to share an image or something, drop down a comment and move on. Eventually they will personally answer you eithout spoiling the game

I'd ask horde mode gaming or allstin

[vapid lodge]

I already got most of it

but the back

[frail bloom]

Sweet

What about the 12 inch slayer statue

[vapid lodge]

got that too

[frail bloom]

So what about the back

Is the statue not detailed enough

[vapid lodge]

the back is covered by the fur, which is ok because I dont really have to work on the back. I have the one from Eternal cosplay but there are no 3D renders or good looks about his back so I can replicate it

its pretty small

Also there is no model for the machine gun on his shoulder

[frail bloom]

I feel like I saw some concept art without the cape

Lemme check

[vapid lodge]

yes you are right

already got it but still feels off

[frail bloom]

Oh I see

I'm not sure how else you'd get a clear image besides a cutscene or a 3d model

[vapid lodge]

yeah but its ok anyway

fur will cover it

[wooden acorn]

Paint the back with the CS missing texture square

Bright purple and black checkered pattern

[vagrant path]

I NEEED IT

RAHH DOOM FOREVER

[wooden acorn]

Same

[frail bloom]

Also

In the mancubus clip, the soundtrack sounded like it had horns blaring

So that's another medieval aspect of the soundtrack we're getting

[plain iron]

Are we gonna see the sentinels w a little horn when the demons arrive 😭

[frail bloom]

Yes

[plain iron]

Doot but scary

[frail bloom]

Speaking of little, I hope we get to see the little guy piloting the atlan chaingun

Cuz that is genuinly funny

[plain iron]

The little guy.

[frail bloom]

Yes he looks like intern

[plain iron]

Wait wha

[frail bloom]

Lemme send photo

[plain iron]

Where is this 😭

[frail bloom]

Give me a moment I'm really slow

[plain iron]

Take ur time dw

[frail bloom]

I sent it

He says hello

It's in screenshots

[plain iron]

Oh there is a little dude

[frail bloom]

Ye he looks bald too

I also see glasses

[plain iron]

The intern returns let's fucking go

[frail bloom]

Dark ages intern

YEEESSS

[plain iron]

It's his great great great great great grandfather.

Go bald guy go

[exotic slate]

Stand ready for my arrival worm

You were given orders, you were given time, you were given more leeway than most and yet I find this planet unprepared for the arrival of our viltrum empire

[fleet spruce]

Honestly excited to hear rest of TDA soundtrack

[plain iron]

Why are you here. Noone likes you.

[vagrant path]

@crisp crown get a hobby.

[final dune]

Can you send it to me too?

[waxen valley]

Doom the chad ages

[fast grove]

I am so excited for doom dark ages, I have it predownloaded on my Xbox along with every other doom game so I can replay all of them while I wait.

[scenic lichen]

Yall is there any estimation as to how long TDA has been in development for?

[trim narwhal]

Since 24

[waxen valley]

Since the dark ages

[scenic lichen]

Tomorrow for sure

[fleet spruce]

Most likely since around time of Eternal, i remember there were mentions of how exhausted everyone was working on 2 games at the same time

[storm shadow]

Anybody know where one could read the new PC gamer issue for free?

[proud vine]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[lusty shale]

There is nothing new on it

The only interesting thing is the rocket launcher concept art

[neat stratus]

Anyone played dark ages demo or beta? Is it safe to buy in comparison to Eternal?

[sleek ermine]

What

There ain’t one

If you’ve seen one it is scam

[plain iron]

Noone can talk abt the play tests rn

[sleek ermine]

Oh right, Mar 31…

[plain iron]

We'll just have to wait

[neat stratus]

damn that sucks They should release at least one demo or something

[sleek ermine]

Hmm if your PC sucks then uhhhhh

[neat stratus]

game price is qite hig

[plain iron]

Not really, it's the average price for a AAA game

[neat stratus]

my PC is just fine.

[sleek ermine]

i7 10700k?

[hard thistle]

check them pc, it not regular

[sleek ermine]

RTX 2060 Super?

[plain iron]

Yeah it's mandatory RTX

[hard thistle]

how much is it? 70?

[sleek ermine]

80

[hard thistle]

interesting

[neat stratus]

I'll buy game anyway probably.

[plain iron]

Yeah, for the Americans around that

[hard thistle]

I mean it's not too bad

[neat stratus]

80€ is quite high if you ask me

Eternal was half of this price

[plain iron]

oh you poor soul

[sleek ermine]

Have you seen Halo Infinite (campaign) or Black Ops 6

[plain iron]

You have no idea how bad it is here 💀

[sleek ermine]

Yeah but eternal is an old game (5 years)

[hard thistle]

either of those can be combatted by gamepass (at least Infinite)

[plain iron]

120ish for base game

[neat stratus]

ok than

[sleek ermine]

So will TDA

[neat stratus]

what are the spec recomedations for this one?

[sleek ermine]

TDA is already on preorder on the Xbox app

[hard thistle]

oh yeah so it shouldn't be too bad

[sleek ermine]

i7-10700k, 16 GB RAM, RTX 2060 Super and 100 GB available disc space

Oh yeah 1080p screen as well

[plain iron]

Same on the ps app

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1355193077291159602/Screenshot_20250329_015225_PS_App.jpg?ex=67e80967&is=67e6b7e7&hm=76b2a2ac05762191ee2bf201af5b247d7c3fb815130fc6368ddb4d897c8a55e8&

Throwing myself.

And that's standard edition

[sleek ermine]

Reminder that this is one of the absolute newest games to exist

[neat stratus]

Nice. So my rtx 4060 and 4k 240hz ryzen 7 8 gen will be just fine

shisss 110 bucks

[plain iron]

I got the collectors edition tho so it was worth it

[slender night]

I think production quality is equal to price, not release date

[sleek ermine]

Though the difference between PS and Xbox is uh Gamepass I think

[slender night]

Call of Duty games are ooold and they still cost a kidney

[neat stratus]

True

[plain iron]

Mhm

[neat stratus]

If it will be as half as good as Eternal was than it's worth of that price

[plain iron]

It was probably cheaper for me to buy TDA's collectors edition than just the premium

[sleek ermine]

???

What are you on about

[slender night]

It's triple+ the price of Wolfenstein: The New Order, I expect it to be of that level of quality

Well I won't be playing it for a while anyway

[neat stratus]

Probably it will be better quality

[sleek ermine]

Same, I’ll need to get an entirely new Xbox Series S just to play it

[slender night]

Very high bar

I'm hoping the fact they're cutting out the codex-based story means the story will be more coherent now

[sleek ermine]

Why Xbox? Uhhhhh because cheaper than upgrading PC

[neat stratus]

and no multiplayer as well

[sleek ermine]

Good thing, I don’t want to have to log in to Bethesda.net just to be able to play the game

[neat stratus]

game playing will be probably way different than previous two

[slender night]

They did good on the multiplayer before, but we got an MP-only game from them just a few years back, I'm fine with it being cut out for this one

[neat stratus]

I never play multiplayer so I am good too

[slender night]

I play it sometimes but I don't really care about it for FPS games

[neat stratus]

I wonder what kind of weapons will be

[slender night]

Soul Cube PLEASE

[sleek ermine]

Skull crusher

[plain iron]

It's around 160 for premium, and if we're comparing the TAG slayer statue, which for me was a bit over 240 for me, which gives us 400aud, and the TAG statue is much smaller than the TDA statue. So overall probably cheaper.

[neat stratus]

bone jearker 😂 for secret weapon

[plain iron]

While the collectors edition was only 340 for me :3

[slender night]

100 dollars for a deluxe edition is crazy ngl

I know it's the standard but it's still horrendous

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-doomguy-doom-slayer-doom-guy-shotgun-gif-27413588

[plain iron]

It's the result of the Australian dollar not being worth shit to the American dollar

[wooden acorn]

day 64 of 112

one whole minecraft stack of days

also can someone send me footage of Hugo saying Doom the dark ages

[grim cloud]

handful of new screenshots, posted on doom world. Have a good up close shot of the soldier minion thing ... not sure what the official name is yet

[final dune]

Doom world? Can I have the URL to it so I can yaknow be updated?

[grim cloud]

wont let me post links here

[final dune]

DM it

[vagrant path]

Me too

[grim cloud]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/150581-doom-the-dark-ages-is-gonna-be-there-at-xbox-dev-direct-on-23rd-of-jannewly-revealed-demons-discussion/?page=42

oh it worked

second post down

[dreamy cosmos]

Chain gun

[frail bloom]

The soldier in tda is my favorite soldier design

It's like 2016 but medieval

His face also reminds me of the witch deco from the classic games, I literally have no good reason for this I just thought of it

[arctic pagoda]

Mine was $275

For the collectors

[flint coyote]

Does anyone Remember the name of the slayers dragon?

[arctic pagoda]

It was Slazel or something

Serrat

[proud vine]

it's called cupcake

don't worry he doesen't bite

[wooden acorn]

Bingus

[cobalt fog]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-slayer-dragon-flying-gif-15004662688642397896

[plain iron]

Serrat :D

[fleet mica]

Is it known if it will be released on Nintendo Switch or Nintendo Switch 2?

[plain iron]

Nup, if you try to run it on either of those it might blow up.

[prime sentinel]

I have a feeling it will get a port to the switch 2

at some point in the future, probably not the switch 1 though

[fleet mica]

I don't know, I play Nintendo and I'm doing fine with Doom Eternal.

[slender night]

Switch 2 might run it, we don't know the specs

Switch 1 definitely will not run it, and even then a port to it is not gonna be profitable for them

[prime sentinel]

there's a good chance it will come out on the switch 2 eventually

I am genuinely impressed they managed to port Eternal to the switch, just incredible

[plain iron]

Yes but TDA is raytracing forced, and is only newgen consoles. I don't know how Nintendo will gonna fit a RTX capable card in something so small.

[fleet mica]

This is what I get for ordering a Nintendo console.

[slender night]

Yeah Nintendo has been weaker for a while

Funny how the one time in recent times they made a console comparable to the rest it flopped like utter shit

[plain iron]

A RTX card is the size of a regular switch iirc

[prime sentinel]

the rumor is that the switch 2 will in fact have an ray tracing compatible card

okay the card doesn't have to be that big just to support ray tracing lmao

look at laptops

[sleek ermine]

true

[prime sentinel]

the size has nothing to do with supporting that particular feature

[plain iron]

Yes but those laptops are chunky, it's not the feature, it's the heat dispersal that would be the main issue imo

[prime sentinel]

nvidia makes smaller, mobile cards that support ray tracing

[sleek ermine]

where would you fit some fans in a slightly bigger Nintendo Switch

the Nintendo Switch can get pretty hot

[slender night]

Weaker consoles like this aren't benefitial to the gaming industry and I hope Nintendo and Xbox realise that

[prime sentinel]

that's a funny way to put it

they totally ARE beneficial

they offer a cheaper entry point

[slender night]

I mean to the gaming industry as in developing games, phrased that weird

You need to slightly castrate your game to make sure it runs on these weaker systems just because they're in the market, this leaves a lot of potential out of the door because you just have to make sure it works and looks good

[prime sentinel]

some games don't even get ported to the switch

[slender night]

And then we have the XSS

[prime sentinel]

for Eternal I doubt they considered the switch at all until post launch

[plain iron]

Comparing this to the steam deck, which is known to have some heating issues, even those laptops are known to have heating issues, because of how small they are. It wouldn't be surprising if it had the same sort of power as a ps4, maybe ps4 pro.

[prime sentinel]

on the contrary I think designing games to run better on lower settings leads to improved optimization

[slender night]

That is a fair point but with how lacking the Switch is in comparison to the PS5 and XSX, which were its competitors for most of its life, it is obvious there have to be cuts if you wanna port to it

[prime sentinel]

there's always gonna be super ultra settings no matter what

[prime sentinel]

though in my experience this doesn't mean the PS5 or XSX version of the game looks worse, it just means the switch version is a very cut back version of the former 2

[slender night]

That's still a minus to the Nintendo users who prefer gaming at home rather than taking the console to go

I swear Nintendo just cannot make a console without giving it one setback

[prime sentinel]

the plus is that they paid less for their console and have easy access to Nintendo's first party offerings

its also a portable console

and yeah, if they only play it at home they have a "minus" but they're also ignoring a core feature of the console

which to me, is a self imposed negative

[slender night]

Within those first party offerings to like the average user only a handful is gonna be enjoyed on a personal level, it's like, you don't need 3 different Mario Partys, is that a good trade-off for having a console that looks considerably worse when you switch to third-party stuff

[prime sentinel]

look at the sales and you tell me

tell me if the average consumer has a problem with this

because the signs point to no from my perspective

[slender night]

It's not ignoring a core feature, it's just preference on how to use it. It being portable is a technological marvel and I can admit that, but portable and at-home gaming used to be seperate, now that you unify them people that sit at home are gonna have to put up with the issues of portable gaming

[slender night]

They don't, I'm just rambling about my personal thoughts on it. Most people don't care but I do not like the Switch because of this personally

[final dune]

i hope theres gonna be a trailer on the 31st when all those review embargos lift

[silent surge]

i’d watch it for sure

[frail bloom]

I just drew a modern style banshee, and just realised how cool legacy of rust enemies would be in this game

For me, Vassagos and Banshees would make the most sense

[keen blaze]

it could happen who knows

[vapid lodge]

almost freaking cried out of excitement

I can't wait for this man

DOOM has been the only game that really made me a kid again, so much fun with this game

[ocean kraken]

does the pre-install of the dark ages with xbox game pass come with the void skin? im not gonna pay $70 for the skin if not, but still curious

[plain iron]

Iirc it does, that's the preorder bonus I think

Wait nvm read that wrong

Probably not but idk

[plucky plinth]

You wouldn't get preorder bonuses from it as it's a release copy

[ocean kraken]

okay thanks, thats a shame but whatever

[plain iron]

I get both the divine skins and the void skin cuz i preordered the collectors edition

I just hope it arrives in time.

I don't wanna torture myself bcs its late

[exotic slate]

Call me a good boy

Hawk tuah call me a good boy

It's happening

[exotic slate]

I am battle beasting it

It is the hour of the goon

[sleek ermine]

[final atlas]

FORTY SEVEN DAYS UNTIL DOOM THE DARK AGES

[plain iron]

Mhm, im so excited

[sleek ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-happy-jumping-gif-26555219

[final atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/pass-the-health-kit-down-scout-tf2-gif-5876363903439030709

[plain iron]

Be careful, don't wanna get y'all done for spamming

[sleek ermine]

Why was I pinged here

[plain iron]

Idk 😭

[sleek ermine]

[boreal aspen]

45 days.

[sleek ermine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342271179330818089/1355165374324412719/attachment.gif

[golden shuttle]

Any new type of deamons in Dark Ages?

[sleek ermine]

Not really as far as seen

[golden shuttle]

That's not good

[sleek ermine]

Agaddon Hunters tho

And Titans

Am I the only one who thinks Mancubus seems really weak in TDA

[golden shuttle]

I hope story and game progression will be different than before

[sleek ermine]

Cutscenes

Proper cutscenes

[golden shuttle]

I agree

Better maps also

[sleek ermine]

Like if you want to know about cutscenes just watch the Xbox developer direct 💔

[golden shuttle]

in ancient gods 2 were pretty good and beautiful looking

[plain iron]

I want more lore based cutscenes, to clear this mess up

[sleek ermine]

[plain iron]

Because lowkey the doom lore is a hot mess and genuinely written horribly

I still love it, but fuck me.

It's a mess.

[golden shuttle]

I wander if will release forth sequel 🙂

probably just in dlc

[sleek ermine]

No

The DOOM Slayer’s journey as far as I know, ended in TAG2

[plucky plinth]

I just hope that the game makes the changes I think are being implemented

I seriously don't want a repeat of the other NuDoom games in terms of resource management

[plain iron]

Yup, it's pretty hard to continue off TAG 2, given the slayer is no longer special anymore

[plucky plinth]

and especially glory kills

[dusty dagger]

Could do a game set inside of a dream or inside of the Doomslayers head, fighting his "inner demons"

[sleek ermine]

The description of TAG 2 even says ”the epic ending to the Slayer’s story bla bla bla” more or less in that direction

[plain iron]

Like classic doom is special because it was more of survival, than anything else, what does the slayer have to survive? The demons aren't even able to go outside hell, and why stir shit inside hell?

[plain iron]

Postal brain damaged but it's doom themed of a already eternal inspired game

[dusty dagger]

Didn't he get put into that tomb at the end in case he needed to be woken up for something? There's probably gonna be something worse than the demons he's gonna have to deal with in the future. However if he's lost his powers then idk what he would really do

[sleek ermine]

No

[plain iron]

Anything worse is like the maykrs, a dying and unsustainable species 😭

[slender night]

DOOM writers were cooking but as soon as the food started to burn they closed the grill entirely. The heck are they gonna do to continue from a cliffhanger that doesn't really have an opening on the opposite side

[golden shuttle]

for me Marauders were most anoying. Specialy with that stupid dogs they release

[fleet spruce]

The something worse has been implied in Eternal and if Hugo's words are anything to go by we will be treading the lovecraftian territory

[slender night]

They're doing anything to not give us a new Quake 😭

[plain iron]

Eh, I presumed it was the maykrs, given their design inspiration

[dusty dagger]

Looking at the doom wiki it says that the maykrs put him into the tomb until he's needed again, is there something I'm missing here?

[golden shuttle]

if it'll be more simillar to classic doom game would be epic

[plain iron]

And a very gentle reminder, Hugo's words aren't really reliable

[golden shuttle]

yeah bro. New Quake is most needed at this point

[plain iron]

Very subject to change and retcon because of the fact its not approved by the writing team

[golden shuttle]

Imagine Quake meets Doom 🙂

[sleek ermine]

DOOM Eternal TAG 2 is the epic ending to the story of the DOOM Slayer. (Source: Steam - DOOM Eternal The Ancient Gods Part 2)

[fleet spruce]

Maykrs are definitely on board with that, but I'm more so talking about implications of beings beyond Davoth, the mysterious voice remains mysterious

[golden shuttle]

it would be and epic game

[plain iron]

Oh. that. yeah hot tip, don't trust what Hugo says, he's dumber than shit when it comes to the things on stream. It's not approved by the writing team, so take it with a grain of salt. he did say that part on stream yeah?

[sleek ermine]

Their subtitles call them ”Ancient gods”

[dusty dagger]

What's the point of having him just go into a coma, if it was gonna be the end of his story then why not just have him die when his connection got severed. Makes no sense. They're keeping him in their back pocket for a future sequel.

[sleek ermine]

We know that he might not ever be needed again

[plain iron]

No it's pretty clear they're not gonna go past TAG, It's a good ending. It doesn't need more.

[slender night]

The DLC was rushed

Like being realistic here, if they wanted to kill him off it could not be done in the time they had

[fleet spruce]

I'm expecting them to go past TAG

[slender night]

You don't just build up a protagonist for most of the franchise then kill him off suddenly, there has to be build-up, build-up they could not do in the circumstances they had

I'm saying that him going into a coma might just about be a safer replacement for killing him off

[plain iron]

Genuinely I think it would be a stupid idea to go past TAG

[golden shuttle]

Slayer suvrived for more than 30 years now. Mybe it's time for retirement plan 😄

[dusty dagger]

Get him some damn therapy at the very least

[fleet spruce]

Quake is right there but we only got excellent remasters and official expansions

[plain iron]

His therapy is sleep.

[golden shuttle]

some xanax and a bottle of steroids and he's like new 😄

[dusty dagger]

Fuck it get that man a blunt

[golden shuttle]

😄

[plain iron]

Do not give that man prescription drugs.

Samuel would steal em.

[golden shuttle]

hahaha

Duke Nukem VS. Doom Slayer?

[plain iron]

Human hayden was a fucking mad cokehead and idc what other folk say